From nobody Thu Feb 20 01:00:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4AF1A004E for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 01:00:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.548, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QUeJsXmk_N4K for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 01:00:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219E21A003D for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 01:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BDT89906; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:00:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:00:14 +0000 Received: from NKGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.32) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:00:27 +0000 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.56]) by nkgeml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 17:00:24 +0800 From: "Songhaibin (A)" To: "nfvcon@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: a side meeting @ IETF 89 Thread-Index: Ac8uGjCORSOz84PWS6aWzeX9QW29xg== Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:00:23 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.138.41.128] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/oRu7pb7NiKUGvL4lZYN-C5zbMN4 Subject: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:00:40 -0000 I wonder if there are a small group of people who are interested in getting= together for a side meeting at the upcoming IETF. We can discuss the use c= ases and scope that people would like to work on for NFV configuration & da= ta model, but which may not be limited to NFV. NFV itself is not mature at = this stage, but VNF configuration and data model are similar to that of som= e other cloud based applications. Please reply to me or the list if you are interested, and with your availab= le time. For me, I am available all the evenings except Tuesday. Best Regards! -Haibin From nobody Thu Feb 20 06:02:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483AB1A0172 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 06:02:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.548] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pSGFfSJoBsv7 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 06:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBEB1A0162 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 06:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.122] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DED626FD338; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:02:01 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_77FC404B-4D10-4C86-9C54-3E541E6560C1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Thomas Nadeau In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:01:58 -0500 Message-Id: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> References: To: "Songhaibin (A)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/PhE1mnuZuuSA9jamth8AixAuK20 Cc: "nfvcon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:02:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_77FC404B-4D10-4C86-9C54-3E541E6560C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Let me suggest you consider coming to the Ops Area, NetMod and = NetConf to discuss configuration issues and related data models. *) --Tom On Feb 20, 2014:4:00 AM, at 4:00 AM, Songhaibin (A) = wrote: > I wonder if there are a small group of people who are interested in = getting together for a side meeting at the upcoming IETF. We can discuss = the use cases and scope that people would like to work on for NFV = configuration & data model, but which may not be limited to NFV. NFV = itself is not mature at this stage, but VNF configuration and data model = are similar to that of some other cloud based applications. >=20 > Please reply to me or the list if you are interested, and with your = available time. For me, I am available all the evenings except Tuesday. >=20 > Best Regards! > -Haibin >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > NFVCON mailing list > NFVCON@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon >=20 --Apple-Mail=_77FC404B-4D10-4C86-9C54-3E541E6560C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTBgrWAAoJEPcO+I7eiUJZhSUQAI4FmCDrVMcDisOMWMXe9akC 1a6kWfQjoEuiyCuH2HWkh75W4mPWWaHRQKJuU2ByAlO5T4w6ewFNWHAObHVs1F24 IID7CIWV+V03PddhMAB38jCEOEBLJgqMm1zqup6IWJ92tsdnt2wT52638cUzO92w 7mUtXCBp6opIgSw1H+aXTpUDjX0RvpNTVZxF5RLumm4Sq2eT5QL0ksz3TRACJI1k 6FYWXtdYkatT7kEprfqxfJrgvKw3oXEYNsHvuXaEDCUpcs6c3wtCHwMb4Nvnnac6 lWVhlvnlD4X4UKCx3BWkxPvCiheGRbbkyDicenjKeGF75w6q8xxOIm4YF1M28jBn VIT8gmBw/jrIjurv2sNCK1y8DbPO28UcW+p24Q064vBpLNWtoDwYYyx3yYPS13KN b0gkETqqPUprH0mY16isNavl3e8on9N3CxPVLPb3hceO/z0gqcG8SACUfWgU6xqn UuU4Uho392dHb4JLyqYuW8YoIluhXzXbJfuWkxzs49rFpflP8O1wnO5MaLhyc/8R gXh9FoJWFywpUi5LlJMZFiFVCQhrXo3MmFJZ8XEahd7FQpEa2R980ggjNg4v3p44 NSrV3qa06FqjR88Jbm6rbyVihK0LkMRqtnki+ZkVnk1ecVCZmGHHfUNHwjMZXGIH VEgEZHqSjXLKKuCk/tbw =vh8C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_77FC404B-4D10-4C86-9C54-3E541E6560C1-- From nobody Thu Feb 20 07:24:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F1D1A01B3 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:24:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zaq9gPxltduT for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pa0-x235.google.com (mail-pa0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB2D1A0195 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id lj1so2010848pab.26 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:24:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4PsrRrOOLd0K0wYV26ZNIj35o6fDWu4ZAAoulCRLh1k=; b=MQO8xT7P+UX+wWxoTna9wNiYdFciQ1Tbxy8WsZ/1vQeUmNWfi6GCPk3Ct6XywXXur+ sAEI4kmpklYwsP3AolxaBwVjfmxZm0uZXcyx35aRn+Qo9z8XRwi7tQ3AgB7sfvoWv5cV k+cxJolik2tXTPTtlqMzArPnRW7QEbP1r6cpXJQZDpaOPzWM+qHvmjxCYxGPzuGtQgY+ ZubDmol7ClPRokSYo7kuTdnLmMXeOuD2tcYRDbZ9ZiX+9dqrHGJ+edaXKy6D32WLJ4Dg kOiWMPAZlYrSd7LogE91CdyxhBX5gfyQRzNJYpVmfJajEGJQLkScj8cofDql16L65oYb SVAw== X-Received: by 10.68.229.106 with SMTP id sp10mr2743214pbc.23.1392909892424; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from spandex.local (216-67-47-153-rb1.fai.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net. [216.67.47.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xs1sm27934727pac.7.2014.02.20.07.24.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:24:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 06:24:47 -0900 From: Melinda Shore User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nfvcon@ietf.org References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> In-Reply-To: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/ACRs8NPda0ZykhcoVdvptMJpYDI Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:24:57 -0000 On 2/20/14 5:01 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: > Let me suggest you consider coming to the Ops Area, NetMod and > NetConf to discuss configuration issues and related data models. *) This work got time on the agenda at opsawg at IETF 88 and there's been little discussion since. I do think that it's possible to make substantial progress without meeting in person, and that it would be worthwhile to take some time before the meeting to identify an issues that need resolution or that would benefit from face-to- face discussion. Melinda From nobody Thu Feb 20 18:39:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105DC1A016A for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:39:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.548, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NPCLqjaxF3j0 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00291A01CD for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BDU58951; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 02:39:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 02:39:26 +0000 Received: from NKGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.32) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 02:39:41 +0000 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.56]) by nkgeml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:39:36 +0800 From: "Songhaibin (A)" To: Melinda Shore , "nfvcon@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 Thread-Index: Ac8uGjCORSOz84PWS6aWzeX9QW29xv//ziUAgAAXJID//sDOwA== Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 02:39:36 +0000 Message-ID: References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.138.41.128] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/35r3dlmfnV6sajTq8hSKL_lcBto Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 02:39:51 -0000 Hi Tom and Melinda, Thank you for the advice. Substantial progress is most important, and for I= ETF, it mostly means drafts. Let's see whether we can put some substantial = drafts on the table soon after the upcoming IETF meeting. And yes, identifying a issue is indeed needed. NFV Configuration covers a w= ide range. But if we look at the requirements for provisioning a VNF servic= e, or a VNF graph service , that should be narrow. Best Regards! -Haibin > -----Original Message----- > From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Shore > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:25 PM > To: nfvcon@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 >=20 > On 2/20/14 5:01 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: > > Let me suggest you consider coming to the Ops Area, NetMod and NetConf > > to discuss configuration issues and related data models. *) >=20 > This work got time on the agenda at opsawg at IETF 88 and there's been li= ttle > discussion since. I do think that it's possible to make substantial prog= ress > without meeting in person, and that it would be worthwhile to take some t= ime > before the meeting to identify an issues that need resolution or that wou= ld > benefit from face-to- face discussion. >=20 > Melinda >=20 > _______________________________________________ > NFVCON mailing list > NFVCON@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon From nobody Sat Feb 22 15:41:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FCE1A01F0 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:41:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.851 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.851 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.548, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dIDsYNFs5O3n for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from correo-bck.tid.es (correo-bck.tid.es [195.235.93.200]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673DE1A01F9 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbrightmailg02.hi.inet (Sbrightmailg02.hi.inet [10.95.78.105]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0N1F00AJX8G69Y@tid.hi.inet> for nfvcon@ietf.org; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 00:41:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from vanvan (vanvan.hi.inet [10.95.78.49]) by sbrightmailg02.hi.inet (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id BB.D7.05896.F8539035; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 00:41:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from correo.tid.es (mailhost.hi.inet [10.95.64.100]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0N1F00ALU8GF9Y@tid.hi.inet> for nfvcon@ietf.org; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 00:41:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from EX10-MB2-MAD.hi.inet ([169.254.2.84]) by EX10-HTCAS7-MAD.hi.inet ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 00:40:57 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 23:40:57 +0000 From: "Diego R. Lopez" In-reply-to: X-Originating-IP: [10.95.64.115] To: "Songhaibin (A)" Message-id: <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> Content-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Accept-Language: en-US, es-ES Thread-topic: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 Thread-index: Ac8uGjCORSOz84PWS6aWzeX9QW29xgAIb9YAAALkcYAAF5FUAABP5QkA X-AuditID: 0a5f4e69-b7f778e000001708-c6-5309358f83fa X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpjkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42Lhivcz1O035Qw2+LDX1OL9yk3sDoweS5b8 ZApgjOKySUnNySxLLdK3S+DKWLf0CFvBHoWKKxOeszQwXpDvYuTkkBAwkfh79zgrhC0mceHe erYuRi4OIYFtjBJLtnawQzg/GSUuTjrICOFMY5Q4u+sZM0gLi4CqxMuni9hAbDYg+1Hzb3YQ W1hAT+J322dGEJtTIELiXeNqZogVChJ/zj1mAbFFBHQlvnz6CdbLLBAg8XbVKiYQm1fAUuL4 zxvMEHEzibP995gh4oISPybfA+rlAIqrS0yZkgtRIi7R3HqTBcJWlJi2qAFsLaOArMS7+fNZ IVbpS6z+vpwNwnaTePvyKwvEOQISS/achzpNVOLl43+sED/+ZpRoWbCcfQKjxCwkZ8xCcsYs 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Lopez" , "Songhaibin (A)" Thread-Topic: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 Thread-Index: Ac8uGjCORSOz84PWS6aWzeX9QW29xv//ziUAgAAXJID//sDOwIAFY9WA//7v6OA= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:05:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> In-Reply-To: <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.159.42.109] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate-size: 5646 X-purgate-ID: 151667::1393167920-00005322-D12F760E/0-0/0-0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/_ASabvreEwxsH8o2KpjzCuJkdbE Cc: Melinda 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List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:41:53 -0000 On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 03:05:17PM +0000, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: > RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support > HTML-based REST-like configuration. What is heck is "HTML-based REST-like configuration"? And who says this is useful or desirable? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Sun Feb 23 11:32:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DF81A06DF for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:32:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id coYZmMzFZZNi for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4D51A06DB for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id s1NJWVZF001363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:32:31 +0100 Received: from DEMUHTC001.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.42.32]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id s1NJWVDi010535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:32:31 +0100 Received: from DEMUHTC011.nsn-intra.net (10.159.42.42) by DEMUHTC001.nsn-intra.net (10.159.42.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:32:31 +0100 Received: from DEMUMBX005.nsn-intra.net ([169.254.5.200]) by DEMUHTC011.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.42.42]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:32:31 +0100 From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Thread-Topic: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 Thread-Index: Ac8uGjCORSOz84PWS6aWzeX9QW29xv//ziUAgAAXJID//sDOwIAFY9WA//7v6OCAAi1OAP//wSnA Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:32:30 +0000 Message-ID: References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> <20140223164146.GA98040@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20140223164146.GA98040@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.159.42.109] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate-size: 1207 X-purgate-ID: 151667::1393183952-00005322-8A84C87F/0-0/0-0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/27Gyju7z-TKzedAk7p9bTzGZJ-c Cc: "nfvcon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:32:36 -0000 Juergen, the result of the discussion was that RESTCONF is a protocol almost similar= to NETCONF in terms of capabilities, to access YANG modules over HTTP, wit= h REST characteristics but not RESTful. That said you can use it for config= uration management. > And who says this is useful or desirable? I don't know what you are referring to. Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs- > university.de] > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:42 PM > To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > Cc: nfvcon@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 >=20 > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 03:05:17PM +0000, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - > DE/Munich) wrote: >=20 > > RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support > > HTML-based REST-like configuration. >=20 > What is heck is "HTML-based REST-like configuration"? And who says > this is useful or desirable? >=20 > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Feb 24 06:15:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0F31A0872 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:15:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dxB3u93rGPyg for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339641A086A for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 06:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.122] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821272703AA9; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:15:10 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2F7A72BE-6956-4BAC-8FA8-2D2590DD88E8"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Thomas Nadeau In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:15:09 -0500 Message-Id: References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/P7wq8VqD2koV854xerC5_WnqPvA Cc: "Songhaibin \(A\)" , "ext Diego R. Lopez" , "nfvcon@ietf.org" , Melinda Shore , ext Andy Bierman Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:15:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2F7A72BE-6956-4BAC-8FA8-2D2590DD88E8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) = wrote: > Dear Diego, All, >=20 > NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function configuration on = diverse reference points of the NFV architecture. > The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a producer/consumer = paradigm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any entity. > RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support = HTML-based REST-like configuration. Take a look at opendaylight.org. We already have a working = implementation of a RestConf interface working on the controller as part = of the first release (hydrogen) that talks to a variety of routers and = switches (real and virtual).=20 --Tom > Haibin: I would be available through the week, except on Monday. >=20 > Cheers,=20 > Mehmet=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Diego = R. >> Lopez >> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:41 AM >> To: Songhaibin (A) >> Cc: Melinda Shore; nfvcon@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> You know I was skeptical about this initiative, but I must say I am >> starting to see some potential areas of application of specific NFV >> configuration aspects, at least in what relates to defining = properties >> of the VNF Forwarding Graph (what has some interesting challenges >> regarding how you deal with dynamic graphs in the interaction of the >> VNFs with the infrastructure) and the attachment points of a >> virtualized service. Furthermore, if we could move in the direction = of >> prescribing a single method for dealing with function configuration >> (NETCONF based, I'd say) it would be a great step. >>=20 >> I guess one of the key things we need to decide is what are the >> reference points to be addressed in the NFV architectural framework. >>=20 >> Be goode, >>=20 >> On 21 Feb 2014, at 03:39 , Songhaibin (A) >> wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi Tom and Melinda, >>>=20 >>> Thank you for the advice. Substantial progress is most important, = and >> for IETF, it mostly means drafts. Let's see whether we can put some >> substantial drafts on the table soon after the upcoming IETF meeting. >>>=20 >>> And yes, identifying a issue is indeed needed. NFV Configuration >> covers a wide range. But if we look at the requirements for >> provisioning a VNF service, or a VNF graph service , that should be >> narrow. >>>=20 >>> Best Regards! >>> -Haibin >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda >> Shore >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:25 PM >>>> To: nfvcon@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 >>>>=20 >>>> On 2/20/14 5:01 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: >>>>> Let me suggest you consider coming to the Ops Area, NetMod and >> NetConf >>>>> to discuss configuration issues and related data models. *) >>>>=20 >>>> This work got time on the agenda at opsawg at IETF 88 and there's >> been little >>>> discussion since. I do think that it's possible to make = substantial >> progress >>>> without meeting in person, and that it would be worthwhile to take >> some time >>>> before the meeting to identify an issues that need resolution or >> that would >>>> benefit from face-to- face discussion. >>>>=20 >>>> Melinda >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NFVCON mailing list >>>> NFVCON@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NFVCON mailing list >>> NFVCON@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >>=20 >> Dr Diego R. Lopez >> Telefonica I+D >> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ >>=20 >> e-mail: diego@tid.es >> Tel: +34 913 129 041 >> Mobile: +34 682 051 091 >> ----------------------------------------- >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________ >>=20 >> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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Lopez" , "nfvcon@ietf.org" , Melinda Shore Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 15:50:50 -0000 --_000_E4DE949E6CE3E34993A2FF8AE79131F829192CDEMUMBX005nsnintr_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > OpenDaylight is the existence proof that RESTCONF/YANG will work great as= a starting point for I2RS. This is exactly what I believe. Cheers, Mehmet From: ext Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:29 PM To: Thomas Nadeau Cc: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich); ext Diego R. Lopez; Songhaibin (A); Me= linda Shore; nfvcon@ietf.org Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Thomas Nadeau > wrote: On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > wrote: > Dear Diego, All, > > NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function configuration on diverse= reference points of the NFV architecture. > The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a producer/consumer paradi= gm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any entity. > RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support HTML-b= ased REST-like configuration. Take a look at opendaylight.org. We alread= y have a working implementation of a RestConf interface working on the cont= roller as part of the first release (hydrogen) that talks to a variety of r= outers and switches (real and virtual). +1 I've seen the YANG modules (I hear from the developers every time yangcli-pro does something wrong with those modules ;-) Very impressive amount of work done already. OpenDaylight is the existence proof that RESTCONF/YANG will work great as a starting point for I2RS. --Tom Andy > Haibin: I would be available through the week, except on Monday. > > Cheers, > Mehmet > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Diego R. >> Lopez >> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:41 AM >> To: Songhaibin (A) >> Cc: Melinda Shore; nfvcon@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 >> >> Hi, >> >> You know I was skeptical about this initiative, but I must say I am >> starting to see some potential areas of application of specific NFV >> configuration aspects, at least in what relates to defining properties >> of the VNF Forwarding Graph (what has some interesting challenges >> regarding how you deal with dynamic graphs in the interaction of the >> VNFs with the infrastructure) and the attachment points of a >> virtualized service. Furthermore, if we could move in the direction of >> prescribing a single method for dealing with function configuration >> (NETCONF based, I'd say) it would be a great step. >> >> I guess one of the key things we need to decide is what are the >> reference points to be addressed in the NFV architectural framework. >> >> Be goode, >> >> On 21 Feb 2014, at 03:39 , Songhaibin (A) > >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom and Melinda, >>> >>> Thank you for the advice. Substantial progress is most important, and >> for IETF, it mostly means drafts. Let's see whether we can put some >> substantial drafts on the table soon after the upcoming IETF meeting. >>> >>> And yes, identifying a issue is indeed needed. NFV Configuration >> covers a wide range. But if we look at the requirements for >> provisioning a VNF service, or a VNF graph service , that should be >> narrow. >>> >>> Best Regards! >>> -Haibin >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda >> Shore >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:25 PM >>>> To: nfvcon@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 >>>> >>>> On 2/20/14 5:01 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: >>>>> Let me suggest you consider coming to the Ops Area, NetMod and >> NetConf >>>>> to discuss configuration issues and related data models. *) >>>> >>>> This work got time on the agenda at opsawg at IETF 88 and there's >> been little >>>> discussion since. I do think that it's possible to make substantial >> progress >>>> without meeting in person, and that it would be worthwhile to take >> some time >>>> before the meeting to identify an issues that need resolution or >> that would >>>> benefit from face-to- face discussion. >>>> >>>> Melinda >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NFVCON mailing list >>>> NFVCON@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NFVCON mailing list >>> NFVCON@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon >> >> >> -- >> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >> >> Dr Diego R. Lopez >> Telefonica I+D >> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ >> >> e-mail: diego@tid.es >> Tel: +34 913 129 041 >> Mobile: +34 682 051 091 >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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> OpenDaylight is the existence proof that RESTCONF/YANG will work gre= at as a starting point for I2RS.

 <= /p>

This is exactly what I be= lieve.

 <= /p>

Cheers,
Mehmet

 <= /p>

From: ext Andy= Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:29 PM
To: Thomas Nadeau
Cc: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich); ext Diego R. Lopez; Songhaibin = (A); Melinda Shore; nfvcon@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89

 

 

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Thomas Nadeau <<= a href=3D"mailto:tnadeau@lucidvision.com" target=3D"_blank">tnadeau@lucidvi= sion.com> wrote:


On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) <= mehmet.ersue@nsn.com> wrote:=

> Dear Diego, All,
>
> NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function configuration on dive= rse reference points of the NFV architecture.
> The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a producer/consumer par= adigm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any entity.
> RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support HTM= L-based REST-like configuration.

        Take a look at opendaylight.org. We already have a working imple= mentation of a RestConf interface working on the controller as part of the = first release (hydrogen) that talks to a variety of routers and switches (real and virtual).

 

 

+1

 

I've seen the YANG modules (I hear from the develope= rs every time

yangcli-pro does something wrong with those modules = ;-) Very impressive

amount of work done already.

 

OpenDaylight is the existence proof that RESTCONF/YA= NG

will work great as a starting point for I2RS.

 

 

        --Tom

 

Andy

 




> Haibin: I would be available through the week, except on Monday.
>
> Cheers,
> Mehmet
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFVCON [mailto:nf= vcon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Diego R.
>> Lopez
>> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:41 AM
>> To: Songhaibin (A)
>> Cc: Melinda Shore; nfvcon@ietf.= org
>> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You know I was skeptical about this initiative, but I must say I a= m
>> starting to see some potential areas of application of specific NF= V
>> configuration aspects, at least in what relates to defining proper= ties
>> of the VNF Forwarding Graph (what has some interesting challenges<= br> >> regarding how you deal with dynamic graphs in the interaction of t= he
>> VNFs with the infrastructure) and the attachment points of a
>> virtualized service. Furthermore, if we could move in the directio= n of
>> prescribing a single method for dealing with function configuratio= n
>> (NETCONF based, I'd say) it would be a great step.
>>
>> I guess one of the key things we need to decide is what are the >> reference points to be addressed in the NFV architectural framewor= k.
>>
>> Be goode,
>>
>> On 21 Feb 2014, at 03:39 , Songhaibin (A) <haibin.song@huawei.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom and Melinda,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the advice. Substantial progress is most importa= nt, and
>> for IETF, it mostly means drafts. Let's see whether we can put som= e
>> substantial drafts on the table soon after the upcoming IETF meeti= ng.
>>>
>>> And yes, identifying a issue is indeed needed. NFV Configurati= on
>> covers a wide range. But if we look at the requirements for
>> provisioning a VNF service, or a VNF graph service , that should b= e
>> narrow.
>>>
>>> Best Regards!
>>> -Haibin
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda
>> Shore
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:25 PM
>>>> To: nfvcon@ietf.org=
>>>> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89
>>>>
>>>> On 2/20/14 5:01 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote:
>>>>> Let me suggest you consider coming to the Ops Area, Ne= tMod and
>> NetConf
>>>>> to discuss configuration issues and related data model= s. *)
>>>>
>>>> This work got time on the agenda at opsawg at IETF 88 and = there's
>> been little
>>>> discussion since.  I do think that it's possible to m= ake substantial
>> progress
>>>> without meeting in person, and that it would be worthwhile= to take
>> some time
>>>> before the meeting to identify an issues that need resolut= ion or
>> that would
>>>> benefit from face-to- face discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Melinda
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NFVCON mailing list
>>>> NFVCON@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NFVCON mailing list
>>> NFVCON@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"
>>
>> Dr Diego R. Lopez
>> Telefonica I+D
>> ht= tp://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/
>>
>> e-mail: diego@tid.es
>> Tel:    +34 913 129 041
>> Mobile: +34 682 051 091
>> -----------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede
>> consultar nuestra pol=EDtica de env=EDo y recepci=F3n de correo el= ectr=F3nico
>> en el enlace situado m=E1s abajo.
>> This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only se= nd
>> and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at:
>> http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx
>> _______________________________________________
>> NFVCON mailing list
>> NFVCON@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon
> _______________________________________________
> NFVCON mailing list
> NFVCON@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon

 

--_000_E4DE949E6CE3E34993A2FF8AE79131F829192CDEMUMBX005nsnintr_-- From nobody Mon Feb 24 08:16:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196311A016C for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:16:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6PX0hbDPp3ws for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D651A015E for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24406620567; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:16:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from Joels-MacBook-Pro.local (pool-70-106-134-121.clppva.east.verizon.net [70.106.134.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42ECF620568; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:16:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <530B7060.8000406@joelhalpern.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:16:32 -0500 From: "Joel M. Halpern" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" , ext Andy Bierman , Thomas Nadeau References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/Z1rqDkhyzP_xlisHHchHqP1qSMw Cc: "Songhaibin \(A\)" , "ext Diego R. Lopez" , "nfvcon@ietf.org" , Melinda Shore Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:16:56 -0000 a) I would hope that a discussion of what will work great for I2RS would occur on the I2RS list. b) Rather than "it runs in with this controller", I would really like to see an analysis (for it and the other choices) of how the proposal actually stacks up against the WG requirements. While the fact that it runs is important, the current ODL (or other running SDN environments) simply do not stress many of the stated requirements. c) Note that the above is as far as I can tell orthogonal to the question of how we will configure NFV virtual servers or service chain forwarding. Yours, Joel On 2/24/14, 10:50 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: >> OpenDaylight is the existence proof that RESTCONF/YANG will work great > as a starting point for I2RS. > > This is exactly what I believe. > > Cheers, > Mehmet > > *From:*ext Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com] > *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2014 4:29 PM > *To:* Thomas Nadeau > *Cc:* Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich); ext Diego R. Lopez; Songhaibin > (A); Melinda Shore; nfvcon@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Thomas Nadeau > wrote: > > > On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > > wrote: > > > Dear Diego, All, > > > > NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function configuration on > diverse reference points of the NFV architecture. > > The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a producer/consumer > paradigm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any entity. > > RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support > HTML-based REST-like configuration. > > Take a look at opendaylight.org . We > already have a working implementation of a RestConf interface working on > the controller as part of the first release (hydrogen) that talks to a > variety of routers and switches (real and virtual). > > +1 > > I've seen the YANG modules (I hear from the developers every time > > yangcli-pro does something wrong with those modules ;-) Very impressive > > amount of work done already. > > OpenDaylight is the existence proof that RESTCONF/YANG > > will work great as a starting point for I2RS. > > --Tom > > Andy > > > > > > Haibin: I would be available through the week, except on Monday. > > > > Cheers, > > Mehmet > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org > ] On Behalf Of ext Diego R. > >> Lopez > >> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:41 AM > >> To: Songhaibin (A) > >> Cc: Melinda Shore; nfvcon@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> You know I was skeptical about this initiative, but I must say I am > >> starting to see some potential areas of application of specific NFV > >> configuration aspects, at least in what relates to defining > properties > >> of the VNF Forwarding Graph (what has some interesting challenges > >> regarding how you deal with dynamic graphs in the interaction of the > >> VNFs with the infrastructure) and the attachment points of a > >> virtualized service. Furthermore, if we could move in the > direction of > >> prescribing a single method for dealing with function configuration > >> (NETCONF based, I'd say) it would be a great step. > >> > >> I guess one of the key things we need to decide is what are the > >> reference points to be addressed in the NFV architectural framework. > >> > >> Be goode, > >> > >> On 21 Feb 2014, at 03:39 , Songhaibin (A) > > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Tom and Melinda, > >>> > >>> Thank you for the advice. Substantial progress is most > important, and > >> for IETF, it mostly means drafts. Let's see whether we can put some > >> substantial drafts on the table soon after the upcoming IETF > meeting. > >>> > >>> And yes, identifying a issue is indeed needed. NFV Configuration > >> covers a wide range. But if we look at the requirements for > >> provisioning a VNF service, or a VNF graph service , that should be > >> narrow. > >>> > >>> Best Regards! > >>> -Haibin > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org > ] On Behalf Of Melinda > >> Shore > >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:25 PM > >>>> To: nfvcon@ietf.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 > >>>> > >>>> On 2/20/14 5:01 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: > >>>>> Let me suggest you consider coming to the Ops Area, NetMod and > >> NetConf > >>>>> to discuss configuration issues and related data models. *) > >>>> > >>>> This work got time on the agenda at opsawg at IETF 88 and there's > >> been little > >>>> discussion since. I do think that it's possible to make > substantial > >> progress > >>>> without meeting in person, and that it would be worthwhile to take > >> some time > >>>> before the meeting to identify an issues that need resolution or > >> that would > >>>> benefit from face-to- face discussion. > >>>> > >>>> Melinda > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> NFVCON mailing list > >>>> NFVCON@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NFVCON mailing list > >>> NFVCON@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" > >> > >> Dr Diego R. Lopez > >> Telefonica I+D > >> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ > >> > >> e-mail: diego@tid.es > >> Tel: +34 913 129 041 > >> Mobile: +34 682 051 091 > >> ----------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede > >> consultar nuestra política de envío y recepción de correo > electrónico > >> en el enlace situado más abajo. > >> This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send > >> and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at: > >> http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NFVCON mailing list > >> NFVCON@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon > > _______________________________________________ > > NFVCON mailing list > > NFVCON@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon > > > > _______________________________________________ > NFVCON mailing list > NFVCON@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon > From nobody Mon Feb 24 08:29:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525761A01D8 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:29:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GHcgCF9u2HVm for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [109.74.15.94]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDD31A015E for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from macbook.mwc2014.com (unknown [149.7.216.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9BB1237C26C; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:28:55 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Carl Moberg In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:28:53 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6A4705EB-6A35-4671-BC0B-F7640A3158E5@tail-f.com> References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> To: Thomas Nadeau X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/1gdBeJa6HIrp2qV18CjTNloh4BY Cc: "nfvcon@ietf.org" , Melinda Shore , ext Andy Bierman , "Ersue, Mehmet \(NSN - DE/Munich\)" , "Songhaibin \(A\)" , "ext Diego R. Lopez" Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:29:00 -0000 On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Nadeau = wrote: >=20 > On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) = wrote: >=20 >> Dear Diego, All, >>=20 >> NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function configuration on = diverse reference points of the NFV architecture. >> The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a producer/consumer = paradigm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any entity. >> RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support = HTML-based REST-like configuration. >=20 > Take a look at opendaylight.org. We already have a working = implementation of a RestConf interface working on the controller as part = of the first release (hydrogen) that talks to a variety of routers and = switches (real and virtual).=20 >=20 > --Tom That=92s strange. I didn=92t even know we had a WG draft for RESTCONF = yet? -- Carl Moberg VP Technology twitter: @cmoberg http://www.tail-f.com/ From nobody Mon Feb 24 08:56:52 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05241A01FC for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:56:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r0RXFuMyHwG4 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6491A01E7 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id s1OGudpP029241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:56:40 +0100 Received: from DEMUHTC001.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.42.32]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id s1OGudG7000619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:56:39 +0100 Received: from DEMUHTC012.nsn-intra.net (10.159.42.43) by DEMUHTC001.nsn-intra.net (10.159.42.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:56:38 +0100 Received: from DEMUMBX005.nsn-intra.net ([169.254.5.200]) by DEMUHTC012.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.42.43]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:56:38 +0100 From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: ext Carl Moberg , Thomas Nadeau Thread-Topic: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 Thread-Index: Ac8uGjCORSOz84PWS6aWzeX9QW29xv//ziUAgAAXJID//sDOwIAFY9WA//7v6OCAA8zb7f//+Gwg Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:56:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> <6A4705EB-6A35-4671-BC0B-F7640A3158E5@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <6A4705EB-6A35-4671-BC0B-F7640A3158E5@tail-f.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.159.42.125] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate-size: 1510 X-purgate-ID: 151667::1393261000-00005322-CFC98E34/0-0/0-0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/V6LmA9X7I0J0MtRGHjH4ci0s0S4 Cc: "Songhaibin \(A\)" , "ext Diego R. Lopez" , "nfvcon@ietf.org" , Melinda Shore , ext Andy Bierman Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:56:48 -0000 Carl, you should come to IETF again. Then you will see what we are doing ;-). Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Carl Moberg [mailto:calle@tail-f.com] > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 5:29 PM > To: Thomas Nadeau > Cc: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich); Songhaibin (A); ext Diego R. > Lopez; nfvcon@ietf.org; Melinda Shore; ext Andy Bierman > Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 >=20 >=20 > On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Nadeau > wrote: >=20 > > > > On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - > DE/Munich) wrote: > > > >> Dear Diego, All, > >> > >> NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function configuration on > diverse reference points of the NFV architecture. > >> The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a producer/consumer > paradigm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any entity. > >> RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support > HTML-based REST-like configuration. > > > > Take a look at opendaylight.org. We already have a working > implementation of a RestConf interface working on the controller as > part of the first release (hydrogen) that talks to a variety of routers > and switches (real and virtual). > > > > --Tom >=20 > That's strange. I didn't even know we had a WG draft for RESTCONF yet? >=20 > -- > Carl Moberg > VP Technology > twitter: @cmoberg > http://www.tail-f.com/ From nobody Mon Feb 24 10:19:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAE11A0164 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:19:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JIKPbacy4DXi for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098791A010F for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.122] (static-72-71-250-38.cncdnh.fast04.myfairpoint.net [72.71.250.38]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5337D2704513; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:19:39 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C994644F-BDE4-4275-A5B0-B346BF50DFFA"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Thomas Nadeau In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:19:37 -0500 Message-Id: References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> <530B7060.8000406@joelhalpern.com> To: Andy Bierman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/Vu3v4DJQwLQbgc-7ZzgZwmVWgI0 Cc: "ext Diego R. Lopez" , "nfvcon@ietf.org" , Melinda Shore , "Ersue, Mehmet \(NSN - DE/Munich\)" , "Songhaibin \(A\)" , "Joel M. Halpern" Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:19:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C994644F-BDE4-4275-A5B0-B346BF50DFFA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_02322691-913E-4B3A-9AAC-CC946ECAC97A" --Apple-Mail=_02322691-913E-4B3A-9AAC-CC946ECAC97A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Feb 24, 2014:11:28 AM, at 11:28 AM, Andy Bierman = wrote: > Hi Loel, >=20 > Sorry. I mixed this thread up with another one in my Inbox > about I2RS. >=20 > But to your valid comments -- Implementing a complex data model > is hard. IMO, the OpenDaylight data models can serve as > some measure of complexity that has been created by > domain experts, not YANG experts. >=20 > The NFV configuration requirements should be comparable > in complexity to those in OpenDaylight. That is what I am hoping.=20 --Tom >=20 >=20 > Andy >=20 > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Joel M. Halpern = wrote: > a) I would hope that a discussion of what will work great for I2RS = would occur on the I2RS list. >=20 > b) Rather than "it runs in with this controller", I would really like = to see an analysis (for it and the other choices) of how the proposal = actually stacks up against the WG requirements. While the fact that it = runs is important, the current ODL (or other running SDN environments) = simply do not stress many of the stated requirements. >=20 > c) Note that the above is as far as I can tell orthogonal to the = question of how we will configure NFV virtual servers or service chain = forwarding. >=20 > Yours, > Joel >=20 > On 2/24/14, 10:50 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: > OpenDaylight is the existence proof that RESTCONF/YANG will work = great > as a starting point for I2RS. >=20 > This is exactly what I believe. >=20 > Cheers, > Mehmet >=20 > *From:*ext Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com] > *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2014 4:29 PM > *To:* Thomas Nadeau > *Cc:* Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich); ext Diego R. Lopez; Songhaibin > (A); Melinda Shore; nfvcon@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 >=20 > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Thomas Nadeau = > wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > > wrote: >=20 > > Dear Diego, All, > > > > NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function configuration on > diverse reference points of the NFV architecture. > > The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a producer/consumer > paradigm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any = entity. > > RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support > HTML-based REST-like configuration. >=20 > Take a look at opendaylight.org . We > already have a working implementation of a RestConf interface working = on > the controller as part of the first release (hydrogen) that talks to a > variety of routers and switches (real and virtual). >=20 > +1 >=20 > I've seen the YANG modules (I hear from the developers every time >=20 > yangcli-pro does something wrong with those modules ;-) Very = impressive >=20 > amount of work done already. >=20 > OpenDaylight is the existence proof that RESTCONF/YANG >=20 > will work great as a starting point for I2RS. >=20 > --Tom >=20 > Andy >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Haibin: I would be available through the week, except on = Monday. > > > > Cheers, > > Mehmet > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org > ] On Behalf Of ext Diego R. > >> Lopez > >> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:41 AM > >> To: Songhaibin (A) > >> Cc: Melinda Shore; nfvcon@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> You know I was skeptical about this initiative, but I must say = I am > >> starting to see some potential areas of application of = specific NFV > >> configuration aspects, at least in what relates to defining > properties > >> of the VNF Forwarding Graph (what has some interesting = challenges > >> regarding how you deal with dynamic graphs in the interaction = of the > >> VNFs with the infrastructure) and the attachment points of a > >> virtualized service. Furthermore, if we could move in the > direction of > >> prescribing a single method for dealing with function = configuration > >> (NETCONF based, I'd say) it would be a great step. > >> > >> I guess one of the key things we need to decide is what are = the > >> reference points to be addressed in the NFV architectural = framework. > >> > >> Be goode, > >> > >> On 21 Feb 2014, at 03:39 , Songhaibin (A) > > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Tom and Melinda, > >>> > >>> Thank you for the advice. Substantial progress is most > important, and > >> for IETF, it mostly means drafts. Let's see whether we can put = some > >> substantial drafts on the table soon after the upcoming IETF > meeting. > >>> > >>> And yes, identifying a issue is indeed needed. NFV = Configuration > >> covers a wide range. But if we look at the requirements for > >> provisioning a VNF service, or a VNF graph service , that = should be > >> narrow. > >>> > >>> Best Regards! > >>> -Haibin > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org > ] On Behalf Of Melinda > >> Shore > >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:25 PM > >>>> To: nfvcon@ietf.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 > >>>> > >>>> On 2/20/14 5:01 AM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: > >>>>> Let me suggest you consider coming to the Ops Area, NetMod = and > >> NetConf > >>>>> to discuss configuration issues and related data models. *) > >>>> > >>>> This work got time on the agenda at opsawg at IETF 88 and = there's > >> been little > >>>> discussion since. I do think that it's possible to make > substantial > >> progress > >>>> without meeting in person, and that it would be worthwhile = to take > >> some time > >>>> before the meeting to identify an issues that need = resolution or > >> that would > >>>> benefit from face-to- face discussion. > >>>> > >>>> Melinda > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> NFVCON mailing list > >>>> NFVCON@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NFVCON mailing list > >>> NFVCON@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" > >> > >> Dr Diego R. Lopez > >> Telefonica I+D > >> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ > >> > >> e-mail: diego@tid.es > >> Tel: +34 913 129 041 > >> Mobile: +34 682 051 091 > >> ----------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede > >> consultar nuestra pol=EDtica de env=EDo y recepci=F3n de = correo > electr=F3nico > >> en el enlace situado m=E1s abajo. > >> This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We = only send > >> and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at: > >> http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NFVCON mailing list > >> NFVCON@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon > > _______________________________________________ > > NFVCON mailing list > > NFVCON@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > NFVCON mailing list > NFVCON@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_02322691-913E-4B3A-9AAC-CC946ECAC97A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
On Feb 24, 2014:11:28 AM, at 11:28 AM, = Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> = wrote:

Hi Loel,

Sorry. =  I mixed this thread up with another one in my = Inbox
about I2RS.

But to your valid = comments -- Implementing a complex data model
is hard.  IMO, the OpenDaylight data models can serve = as
some measure of complexity that has been created = by
domain experts, not YANG = experts.

The NFV configuration requirements = should be comparable
in complexity to those in = OpenDaylight.

That is = what I am hoping. 

= --Tom




Andy

On Mon, Feb 24, = 2014 at 8:16 AM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
a) I would hope that a = discussion of what will work great for I2RS would occur on the I2RS = list.

b) Rather than "it runs in with this controller", I would really like to = see an analysis (for it and the other choices) of how the proposal = actually stacks up against the WG requirements.   While the fact = that it runs is important, the current ODL (or other running SDN = environments) simply do not stress many of the stated requirements.

c) Note that the above is as far as I can tell orthogonal to the = question of how we will configure NFV virtual servers or service chain = forwarding.

Yours,
Joel

On 2/24/14, 10:50 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote:
 OpenDaylight is the existence proof that RESTCONF/YANG will work = great
as a starting point for I2RS.

This is exactly what I believe.

Cheers,
Mehmet

*From:*ext Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com]
*Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2014 4:29 PM
*To:* Thomas Nadeau
*Cc:* Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich); ext Diego R. Lopez; = Songhaibin
(A); Melinda Shore; nfvcon@ietf.org
*Subject:* Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Thomas Nadeau <tnadeau@lucidvision.com
<mailto:tnadeau@lucidvision.com>> wrote:


On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - = DE/Munich)
<mehmet.ersue@nsn.com <mailto:mehmet.ersue@nsn.com>> wrote:

 > Dear Diego, All,
 >
 > NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function = configuration on
diverse reference points of the NFV architecture.
 > The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a = producer/consumer
paradigm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any = entity.
 > RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can = support
HTML-based REST-like configuration.

         Take a look at opendaylight.org = <http://opendaylight.org>. We
already have a working implementation of a RestConf interface working = on
the controller as part of the first release (hydrogen) that talks to = a
variety of routers and switches (real and virtual).

+1

I've seen the YANG modules (I hear from the developers every time

yangcli-pro does something wrong with those modules ;-) Very = impressive

amount of work done already.

OpenDaylight is the existence proof that RESTCONF/YANG

will work great as a starting point for I2RS.

             --Tom

Andy




     > Haibin: I would be available through the week, = except on Monday.
     >
     > Cheers,
     > Mehmet
     >
     >> -----Original Message-----
     >> From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org
    <mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of = ext Diego R.
     >> Lopez
     >> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:41 = AM
     >> To: Songhaibin (A)
     >> Cc: Melinda Shore; nfvcon@ietf.org = <mailto:nfvcon@ietf.org>
     >> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF = 89
     >>
     >> Hi,
     >>
     >> You know I was skeptical about this = initiative, but I must say I am
     >> starting to see some potential areas of = application of specific NFV
     >> configuration aspects, at least in what = relates to defining
    properties
     >> of the VNF Forwarding Graph (what has some = interesting challenges
     >> regarding how you deal with dynamic graphs = in the interaction of the
     >> VNFs with the infrastructure) and the = attachment points of a
     >> virtualized service. Furthermore, if we = could move in the
    direction of
     >> prescribing a single method for dealing = with function configuration
     >> (NETCONF based, I'd say) it would be a = great step.
     >>
     >> I guess one of the key things we need to = decide is what are the
     >> reference points to be addressed in the NFV = architectural framework.
     >>
     >> Be goode,
     >>
     >> On 21 Feb 2014, at 03:39 , Songhaibin = (A)
    <haibin.song@huawei.com <mailto:haibin.song@huawei.com>>
     >> wrote:
     >>
     >>> Hi Tom and Melinda,
     >>>
     >>> Thank you for the advice. Substantial = progress is most
    important, and
     >> for IETF, it mostly means drafts. Let's see = whether we can put some
     >> substantial drafts on the table soon after = the upcoming IETF
    meeting.
     >>>
     >>> And yes, identifying a issue is indeed = needed. NFV Configuration
     >> covers a wide range. But if we look at the = requirements for
     >> provisioning a VNF service, or a VNF graph = service , that should be
     >> narrow.
     >>>
     >>> Best Regards!
     >>> -Haibin
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>> -----Original Message-----
     >>>> From: NFVCON [mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org
    <mailto:nfvcon-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of = Melinda
     >> Shore
     >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 = 11:25 PM
     >>>> To: nfvcon@ietf.org = <mailto:nfvcon@ietf.org>
     >>>> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side = meeting @ IETF 89
     >>>>
     >>>> On 2/20/14 5:01 AM, Thomas Nadeau = wrote:
     >>>>> Let me suggest you consider = coming to the Ops Area, NetMod and
     >> NetConf
     >>>>> to discuss configuration issues = and related data models. *)
     >>>>
     >>>> This work got time on the agenda at = opsawg at IETF 88 and there's
     >> been little
     >>>> discussion since.  I do think = that it's possible to make
    substantial
     >> progress
     >>>> without meeting in person, and that = it would be worthwhile to take
     >> some time
     >>>> before the meeting to identify an = issues that need resolution or
     >> that would
     >>>> benefit from face-to- face = discussion.
     >>>>
     >>>> Melinda
     >>>>
     >>>> = _______________________________________________
     >>>> NFVCON mailing list
     >>>> NFVCON@ietf.org <mailto:NFVCON@ietf.org>
     >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon<= br>      >>>
     >>> = _______________________________________________
     >>> NFVCON mailing list
     >>> NFVCON@ietf.org <mailto:NFVCON@ietf.org>
     >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon<= br>      >>
     >>
     >> --
     >> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor = Infierno"
     >>
     >> Dr Diego R. Lopez
     >> Telefonica I+D
     >> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/
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Lopez" Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:20:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D46A62DE-06C4-4857-AC97-048FF639FD76 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Feb 24, 2014:11:28 AM, at 11:28 AM, Carl Moberg = wrote: >=20 > On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Nadeau = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - = DE/Munich) wrote: >>=20 >>> Dear Diego, All, >>>=20 >>> NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function configuration on = diverse reference points of the NFV architecture. >>> The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a producer/consumer = paradigm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any entity. >>> RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support = HTML-based REST-like configuration. >>=20 >> Take a look at opendaylight.org. We already have a working = implementation of a RestConf interface working on the controller as part = of the first release (hydrogen) that talks to a variety of routers and = switches (real and virtual).=20 >>=20 >> --Tom >=20 > That=92s strange. I didn=92t even know we had a WG draft for RESTCONF = yet? Maybe that is the whole point? - implementation first. *) --Tom >=20 > -- > Carl Moberg > VP Technology > twitter: @cmoberg > http://www.tail-f.com/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > NFVCON mailing list > NFVCON@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon >=20 --Apple-Mail=_D46A62DE-06C4-4857-AC97-048FF639FD76 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTC41cAAoJEPcO+I7eiUJZ3UEP/2UzfHNLg0W6cCgVCDJ9nwpx 1O5j49Gk2ae8kvz1pFDm7kmNaOmMH5nWj4y+qZbuWtA+tRguJoEK9T25xXwCX/oU XDSSCdCnnuAmnBFsr30YnrdR3a5diF/Xo82vniGwuIayKFFgyACD5pXlQs4UUz1Q d6fR5Mp9CeiV70TiZHPRv1pfGTV4FeJ8vQObKcNFJgfoWR2jDQyC3+C9DEBDterJ DqswWMVJ4NscDK1G68wRhidobC76AO9JBiSpkvaJPprHDs2/5whFQV3LhK6fvVpX /YXwN3/azWn2jKdlVb12bPefiSHTrihNkaiy2Z3ffAIT1BdV3qFo3RGx45T03JqE PjF4mGsK1cIbjoQy0G7TNPpqDEqtY3tQ840UDzAlkZ+Bv6bCCcB7taMj1hH9wG83 NGnKaDy8pIr3Rf2jY2bnbVjaqAWOMX5Cj1BvhVPQe6ng+BBgvugJ+5uTW4lPwjnU CbYu0kxAOm+NzMhSSyqy04Vei0SQYt5+NC1RUG9sI7Ay/hpha7f80su4nwp+rcmx qbBolnTf8QfFH1aRTXisvf1swIv3vfghV+oh/2W2gE3oiK2pQCttG6/z6rJc9ND6 /YqXl7qrctM9V+gXaeCSKknugtYJcny7LtyXdvRzJdK6uwsWackAsTta++AF93gH /I0ip+8ujgp6MIcUimgl =CALs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_D46A62DE-06C4-4857-AC97-048FF639FD76-- From nobody Mon Feb 24 23:22:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691E01A0527 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:22:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Ixz_KYq6IHI for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [109.74.15.94]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5637C1A050E for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.203] (228.Red-80-39-115.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.39.115.228]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A02F240C22A; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:22:37 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Carl Moberg In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:22:36 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> <6A4705EB-6A35-4671-BC0B-F7640A3158E5@tail-f.com> To: Thomas Nadeau X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/lqRlA7y_8y3xn6PNhWDXexLcK0M Cc: "nfvcon@ietf.org" , Melinda Shore , ext Andy Bierman , "Ersue, Mehmet \(NSN - DE/Munich\)" , "Songhaibin \(A\)" , "ext Diego R. Lopez" Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:22:44 -0000 On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Thomas Nadeau = wrote: >=20 > On Feb 24, 2014:11:28 AM, at 11:28 AM, Carl Moberg = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Nadeau = wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - = DE/Munich) wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Dear Diego, All, >>>>=20 >>>> NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function configuration on = diverse reference points of the NFV architecture. >>>> The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a producer/consumer = paradigm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any entity. >>>> RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support = HTML-based REST-like configuration. >>>=20 >>> Take a look at opendaylight.org. We already have a working = implementation of a RestConf interface working on the controller as part = of the first release (hydrogen) that talks to a variety of routers and = switches (real and virtual).=20 >>>=20 >>> --Tom >>=20 >> That=92s strange. I didn=92t even know we had a WG draft for RESTCONF = yet? >=20 > Maybe that is the whole point? - implementation first. *) Oh, I don=92t worry too much about that, I know of a RESTCONF = implementation that have been in production with some of the largest = networks in the industry ;-) I worry more about the applicability of = RESTCONF to the configuration interfaces of the distributed networking = functions vs. as an NB API on controllers. -- Carl Moberg VP Technology twitter: @cmoberg http://www.tail-f.com/ From nobody Mon Feb 24 23:25:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6B91A034E for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:25:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BORLJrKxK7Sj for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [109.74.15.94]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493711A0527 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.203] (228.Red-80-39-115.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.39.115.228]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E9619240C22A; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:25:00 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Carl Moberg In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:24:59 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3A9432A7-AEFE-4B33-840A-50CAA375BF06@tail-f.com> References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> <6A4705EB-6A35-4671-BC0B-F7640A3158E5@tail-f.com> To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/I9OFOt987aM01i4fZVSA9aGnj6g Cc: Thomas Nadeau , "nfvcon@ietf.org" , Melinda Shore , ext Andy Bierman , "Songhaibin \(A\)" , "ext Diego R. Lopez" Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:25:06 -0000 Not exactly sure if by =93you should come to IETF again=94 mean the = next meeting in London? Otherwise I=92m always interested in swing what = you=92re doing, Mehmet :-) On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) = wrote: > Carl, >=20 > you should come to IETF again. Then you will see what we are doing = ;-). >=20 > Cheers,=20 > Mehmet=20 >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ext Carl Moberg [mailto:calle@tail-f.com] >> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 5:29 PM >> To: Thomas Nadeau >> Cc: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich); Songhaibin (A); ext Diego R. >> Lopez; nfvcon@ietf.org; Melinda Shore; ext Andy Bierman >> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Nadeau >> wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - >> DE/Munich) wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Dear Diego, All, >>>>=20 >>>> NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function configuration on >> diverse reference points of the NFV architecture. >>>> The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a producer/consumer >> paradigm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any = entity. >>>> RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support >> HTML-based REST-like configuration. >>>=20 >>> Take a look at opendaylight.org. We already have a working >> implementation of a RestConf interface working on the controller as >> part of the first release (hydrogen) that talks to a variety of = routers >> and switches (real and virtual). >>>=20 >>> --Tom >>=20 >> That's strange. I didn't even know we had a WG draft for RESTCONF = yet? >>=20 >> -- >> Carl Moberg >> VP Technology >> twitter: @cmoberg >> http://www.tail-f.com/ >=20 -- Carl Moberg VP Technology twitter: @cmoberg http://www.tail-f.com/ From nobody Mon Feb 24 23:35:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCD01A0636 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:35:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zB1TOqGcj1B2 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [109.74.15.94]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2C51A0552 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.203] (228.Red-80-39-115.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.39.115.228]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 98CDD37C273; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:34:55 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Carl Moberg In-Reply-To: <3A9432A7-AEFE-4B33-840A-50CAA375BF06@tail-f.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:34:54 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <42C9BE1C-E898-4D39-86FC-2B1005703C73@tail-f.com> References: <77748736-91BD-4207-8C25-B304FB44308B@lucidvision.com> <53061E3F.4040200@gmail.com> <0F95A18E-04EF-4382-B4E3-2815D89B7FF7@tid.es> <6A4705EB-6A35-4671-BC0B-F7640A3158E5@tail-f.com> <3A9432A7-AEFE-4B33-840A-50CAA375BF06@tail-f.com> To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfvcon/kmKwgz5hqXQYnrCF_HqsuAUGZlk Cc: Thomas Nadeau , "nfvcon@ietf.org" , Melinda Shore , ext Andy Bierman , "Songhaibin \(A\)" , "ext Diego R. Lopez" Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 X-BeenThere: nfvcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "NFV \(Network Function Virtualization\) Configuration and Modeling" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:35:00 -0000 That would be =93seeing=94, of course. On Feb 25, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Carl Moberg wrote: >=20 > Not exactly sure if by =93you should come to IETF again=94 mean the = next meeting in London? Otherwise I=92m always interested in swing what = you=92re doing, Mehmet :-) >=20 > On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) = wrote: >=20 >> Carl, >>=20 >> you should come to IETF again. Then you will see what we are doing = ;-). >>=20 >> Cheers,=20 >> Mehmet=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ext Carl Moberg [mailto:calle@tail-f.com] >>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 5:29 PM >>> To: Thomas Nadeau >>> Cc: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich); Songhaibin (A); ext Diego R. >>> Lopez; nfvcon@ietf.org; Melinda Shore; ext Andy Bierman >>> Subject: Re: [NFVCON] a side meeting @ IETF 89 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Nadeau >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Feb 23, 2014:10:05 AM, at 10:05 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - >>> DE/Munich) wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Dear Diego, All, >>>>>=20 >>>>> NETCONF is well-prepared for addressing function configuration on >>> diverse reference points of the NFV architecture. >>>>> The new interface descriptions in ETSI NFV use a producer/consumer >>> paradigm and the interface can be re-exposed practically by any = entity. >>>>> RESTCONF would be perfect in such an environment as it can support >>> HTML-based REST-like configuration. >>>>=20 >>>> Take a look at opendaylight.org. We already have a working >>> implementation of a RestConf interface working on the controller as >>> part of the first release (hydrogen) that talks to a variety of = routers >>> and switches (real and virtual). >>>>=20 >>>> --Tom >>>=20 >>> That's strange. I didn't even know we had a WG draft for RESTCONF = yet? >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Carl Moberg >>> VP Technology >>> twitter: @cmoberg >>> http://www.tail-f.com/ >>=20 >=20 > -- > Carl Moberg > VP Technology > twitter: @cmoberg > http://www.tail-f.com/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > NFVCON mailing list > NFVCON@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvcon -- Carl Moberg VP Technology twitter: @cmoberg http://www.tail-f.com/