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Lopez" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) Archived-At: Cc: "nfvrg@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv X-BeenThere: nfvrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Function Virtualization Research Group \(NFVRG\) discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 16:11:01 -0000 Hi Diego and Authors.. Can you clarify if any data path acceleration techniques were used to = measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what is the = usefulness of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons then = fine - if the idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to = Unikernel and containers then you have achieved it it well.. The main issues with Unikernels or containers for NFV are not discussed = in depth - Issues such as single threading support, IP address = assignment and container networking need further exploration and study. = Need at least statements in the document that those are for further = study. So perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft - may be the = objectives can be clarified. Regards, Azhar > On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > This first message of the new year is to launch a two-week adoption = call for draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe = the document is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has = evolved from an analysis of container technology into a more = comprehensive discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV. >=20 > Please indicate in your comments =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cn= o support=E2=80=9D and discuss how this draft will contribute to the = goals of NFVRG. >=20 > The current draft is available at: >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv/= >=20 > Be goode, >=20 >=20 > -- > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >=20 > Dr Diego R. 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Lopez'" References: <28C35E5A-E08B-47E2-AE9E-EEF9EDAD60DD@telefonica.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 12:47:23 -0800 Message-ID: <004d01d2685e$15cf3000$416d9000$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01D2681B.07AD4F90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQElxImjs/nIHazRShiePA4aF9ijDQI6/BsConNOwZA= Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv X-BeenThere: nfvrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Function Virtualization Research Group \(NFVRG\) discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 20:47:29 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01D2681B.07AD4F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Azhar, =20 Thanks for the comments and the interest. The rationale behind adoption = is we see strong community interest in the topic and have reasonable = content in the document. We still have more steps like last call before = the RFC publication and are expecting good community contribution to the = document prior to that. =20 For the performance comparisons, we didn't use HW acceleration = techniques since they are application and deployment specific; for = example, a small CPE in an enterprise branch may never use any hardware = acceleration because of the low throughput requirements. Any specific = suggestions including references in this area are most welcome. =20 Container networking is definitely an interesting topic. We will = certainly capture the challenges in a mixed Container/OpenStack = environment, how efforts like Kuryr are attempting to address these and = how SR-IOV plays out in this scenario. Any other suggestions are = welcome. =20 Can you please elaborate more on the single threading support?=20 =20 Thanks, Ramki =20 -----Original Message----- From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM To: Diego R. Lopez Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of = draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv =20 Hi Diego and Authors.. =20 Can you clarify if any data path acceleration techniques were used to = measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what is the = usefulness of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons then = fine - if the idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to = Unikernel and containers then you have achieved it it well.. =20 The main issues with Unikernels or containers for NFV are not discussed = in depth - Issues such as single threading support, IP address = assignment and container networking need further exploration and study. = Need at least statements in the document that those are for further = study. =20 So perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft - may be the = objectives can be clarified. =20 Regards, Azhar =20 =20 =20 > On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez < = diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > This first message of the new year is to launch a two-week adoption = call for draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe = the document is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has = evolved from an analysis of container technology into a more = comprehensive discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV. >=20 > Please indicate in your comments =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D and discuss how this draft will contribute = to the goals of NFVRG. >=20 > The current draft is available at: >=20 > = = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv= / >=20 > Be goode, >=20 >=20 > -- > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >=20 > Dr Diego R. Lopez > Telefonica I+D > http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ >=20 > e-mail: = diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com > Tel: +34 913 129 041 > Mobile: +34 682 051 091 > ---------------------------------- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Nfvrg mailing list > Nfvrg@irtf.org > = https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg =20 _______________________________________________ Nfvrg mailing list Nfvrg@irtf.org = https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01D2681B.07AD4F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Azhar,

 

Thanks = for the comments and the interest. The rationale behind adoption is we = see strong community interest in the topic and have reasonable content = in the document. We still have more steps like last call before the RFC = publication and are expecting good community contribution to the = document prior to that.

 

For = the performance comparisons, we didn't use HW acceleration techniques = since they are application and deployment specific; for example, a small = CPE in an enterprise branch may never use any hardware acceleration = because of the low throughput requirements. Any specific suggestions = including references in this area are most welcome.

 

Container networking is definitely an interesting = topic. We will certainly capture the challenges in a mixed = Container/OpenStack environment, how efforts like Kuryr are attempting = to address these and how SR-IOV plays out in this scenario. Any other = suggestions are welcome.

 

Can = you please elaborate more on the single threading support? =

 

Thanks,

Ramki

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Nfvrg = [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed
Sent: = Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM
To: Diego R. Lopez = <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>
Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org
Subject: = Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of = draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv

 

Hi = Diego and Authors..

 

Can = you clarify if any data path acceleration techniques were used to = measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what is the = usefulness of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons then = fine - if the idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to = Unikernel and containers then you have achieved it it = well..

 

The main issues with Unikernels or containers for = NFV are not discussed in depth - Issues such as single threading = support, IP address assignment and container networking need further = exploration and study. Need at least statements in the document that = those are for further study.

 

So = perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft - may be the = objectives can be clarified.

 

Regards,

Azhar

 

 

 

> = On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.= com> wrote:

> =

> Hi,

>

> = This first message of the new year is to launch a two-week adoption call = for draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe the = document is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has evolved = from an analysis of container technology into a more comprehensive = discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV.

>

> = Please indicate in your comments =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D and discuss how this draft will contribute = to the goals of NFVRG.

> =

> The current draft is = available at:

> =

> https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv/

>

> Be goode,

>

> =

> --

> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor = Infierno"

> =

> Dr Diego R. = Lopez

> Telefonica = I+D

> http://people.tid.es/dieg= o.lopez/

> =

> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.= com

> = Tel:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +34 913 129 041

> Mobile: +34 682 051 091

> = ----------------------------------

>

> = _______________________________________________

> Nfvrg mailing list

> Nfvrg@irtf.org=

> https://www.irtf.org/mail= man/listinfo/nfvrg

 

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Lopez'" Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv X-BeenThere: nfvrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Function Virtualization Research Group \(NFVRG\) discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 21:23:58 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01D26820.1D708040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roberto, =20 Valid point. Do you have any specific examples in mind? =20 Thanks, Ramki =20 From: Roberto Riggio [mailto:rriggio@fbk.eu]=20 Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:59 PM To: ram krishnan Cc: Azhar Sayeed ; Diego R. Lopez = ; nfvrg@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of = draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv =20 Hi, =20 I was wondering if the lightweight NFV performance comparison should = also be extended to the rest of the stack. For example openstack + opnfv could be very = heavyweight while=20 other management platforms for containers (if they exists) could be = executed on low=20 power platforms (which could make sense in some deployments). =20 R. =20 On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, ram krishnan > wrote: Hi Azhar, =20 Thanks for the comments and the interest. The rationale behind adoption = is we see strong community interest in the topic and have reasonable = content in the document. We still have more steps like last call before = the RFC publication and are expecting good community contribution to the = document prior to that. =20 For the performance comparisons, we didn't use HW acceleration = techniques since they are application and deployment specific; for = example, a small CPE in an enterprise branch may never use any hardware = acceleration because of the low throughput requirements. Any specific = suggestions including references in this area are most welcome. =20 Container networking is definitely an interesting topic. We will = certainly capture the challenges in a mixed Container/OpenStack = environment, how efforts like Kuryr are attempting to address these and = how SR-IOV plays out in this scenario. Any other suggestions are = welcome. =20 Can you please elaborate more on the single threading support?=20 =20 Thanks, Ramki =20 -----Original Message----- From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org = ] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM To: Diego R. Lopez > Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org =20 Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of = draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv =20 Hi Diego and Authors.. =20 Can you clarify if any data path acceleration techniques were used to = measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what is the = usefulness of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons then = fine - if the idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to = Unikernel and containers then you have achieved it it well.. =20 The main issues with Unikernels or containers for NFV are not discussed = in depth - Issues such as single threading support, IP address = assignment and container networking need further exploration and study. = Need at least statements in the document that those are for further = study. =20 So perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft - may be the = objectives can be clarified. =20 Regards, Azhar =20 =20 =20 > On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez < = diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > This first message of the new year is to launch a two-week adoption = call for draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe = the document is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has = evolved from an analysis of container technology into a more = comprehensive discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV. >=20 > Please indicate in your comments =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D and discuss how this draft will contribute = to the goals of NFVRG. >=20 > The current draft is available at: >=20 > = = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv= / >=20 > Be goode, >=20 >=20 > -- > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >=20 > Dr Diego R. Lopez > Telefonica I+D > http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ >=20 > e-mail: = diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com > Tel: +34 913 129 041 =20 > Mobile: +34 682 051 091 =20 > ---------------------------------- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Nfvrg mailing list > Nfvrg@irtf.org > = https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg =20 _______________________________________________ Nfvrg mailing list Nfvrg@irtf.org = https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg _______________________________________________ Nfvrg mailing list Nfvrg@irtf.org =20 https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg =20 --=20 -------------------------------------------------------- Roberto Riggio, Ph.D. CREATE-NET Chief Scientist=20 Future Networks (FuN) Via alla Cascata 56/D - 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) e-mail: rriggio@fbk.eu <- NEW EMAIL ADDRESS office: (+39) 0461 31 24 81 Fax: (+39) 0461 42 11 57 mobile: (+39) 338 72 93 203 skype: hamvil homepage: http://www.robertoriggio.net/ -------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01D26820.1D708040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Roberto,

 

Valid point. = Do you have any specific examples in mind?

 

Thanks,<= /o:p>

Ramki

 

From:<= /b> = Roberto Riggio [mailto:rriggio@fbk.eu]
Sent: Friday, January = 6, 2017 12:59 PM
To: ram krishnan = <ramkri123@gmail.com>
Cc: Azhar Sayeed = <asayeed@redhat.com>; Diego R. Lopez = <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>; nfvrg@irtf.org
Subject: = Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of = draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv

 

Hi,

 

I = was wondering if the lightweight NFV performance comparison should also = be extended

to the rest of = the stack. For example openstack + opnfv could be very heavyweight = while 

other = management platforms for containers (if they exists) could be executed = on low 

power = platforms (which could make sense in some = deployments).

 

R.

 

On Fri, = Jan 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi Azhar,

 

Thanks for = the comments and the interest. The rationale behind adoption is we see = strong community interest in the topic and have reasonable content in = the document. We still have more steps like last call before the RFC = publication and are expecting good community contribution to the = document prior to that.

 

For the performance = comparisons, we didn't use HW acceleration techniques since they are = application and deployment specific; for example, a small CPE in an = enterprise branch may never use any hardware acceleration because of the = low throughput requirements. Any specific suggestions including = references in this area are most welcome.

 

Container networking is = definitely an interesting topic. We will certainly capture the = challenges in a mixed Container/OpenStack environment, how efforts like = Kuryr are attempting to address these and how SR-IOV plays out in this = scenario. Any other suggestions are welcome.

 

Can you please elaborate more = on the single threading support?

 

Thanks,

Ramki

<= p class=3Dm-6924960613820429627msoplaintext> 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Azhar = Sayeed
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM
To: Diego R. Lopez = <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>
Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org
Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for = adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv

 

Hi Diego and = Authors..

 

Can you clarify if any data = path acceleration techniques were used to measure throughput between = guest and host OS. If not what is the usefulness of that metric - If the = idea is to show raw comparisons then fine - if the idea is to show how = bad the VMs are when compared to Unikernel and containers then you have = achieved it it well..

 

The main issues with = Unikernels or containers for NFV are not discussed in depth - Issues = such as single threading support, IP address assignment and container = networking need further exploration and study. Need at least statements = in the document that those are for further study.

 

So perhaps I am missing the = point of adoption of this draft - may be the objectives can be = clarified.

 

Regards,

Azhar

 

 

 

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 = PM, Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.= com> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> This first message of the = new year is to launch a two-week adoption call for = draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe the = document is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has evolved = from an analysis of container technology into a more comprehensive = discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV.

>

> Please indicate in your = comments =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D and = discuss how this draft will contribute to the goals of = NFVRG.

> =

> The = current draft is available at:

>

> https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv/

>

> Be = goode,

> =

> =

> = --

> = "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"

>

> Dr Diego R. = Lopez

> = Telefonica I+D

> http://people.tid.es/dieg= o.lopez/

>

> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.= com

> Tel:    +34 913 129 = 041

> = Mobile: +34 = 682 051 091

> = ----------------------------------

>

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D IFIP/IEEE 5G Man 2017 Co-located with IEEE/IFIP IM 2017 8th or 12th May, 2017, Lisbon, Portugal =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Co-located with IEEE IM 2017, May 8-12, Lisbon, Portugal Workshop website: http://www.5gman.org/ Accepted paper will be indexed by IEEExplore. IMPORTANT DATES - Paper registration: January 9th, 2017 - Paper submission: January 9th, 2017 - Notification of acceptance: January 30th, 2017 - Final version of papers due: February 15th, 2017 - Workshop date: 8th or 12th May, 2017 5G is envisioned as the next generation of mobile networks. Several initiatives are taking place in Asia, America and Europe, such as the MOST (Ministry of Science & Technology) 5G project in China, the 5G forum formed in South Korea, the =E2=80=9C2020 and beyond=E2=80=9D Ad Hoc group in Japan, the 5G Infrast= ructure Public Private Partnership (5G PPP) in Europe, in addition to several standardization related activities. The emerging common features/requirements from these worldwide activities could be summarized as the following: faster data transfer rates, shorter latency, availability, security, lower costs and power consumption and high performance in fast mobility situations. Thus, 5G will be the place to deploy many new technologies. In particular, 5G networks are expected to rely massively on the most recent advances in Software-Defined Networking (SDN) and Network Function Virtualization (NFV), hence offering the opportunity to build an open and innovative platform for communications and a novel brand gathering current and future network architectures, technologie= s and usage. Besides the need for an innovative 5G network architecture, effective and advanced network management architectures and techniques are also cornerstones to fulfil these requirements. The main goal of this workshop is to present state-of-the-art research results and experience reports in the area of management of 5G networks, addressing topics such as management of SDN and NFV-based networks and services, advances in the management of cloud platforms, programmatic languages and abstractions applied to resources and service management, big data and analytics applied to management. TOPICS OF INTEREST Authors are invited to submit papers that fall into or are related to one o= r multiple topic areas listed below: =E2=80=A2 Analytics and big data approaches for managing 5G networks =E2=80=A2 Cognitive and autonomic management & orchestration/choreography =E2=80=A2 Metadata, data and information models and semantics =E2=80=A2 Programming abstractions for 5G networks =E2=80=A2 Policy-based management, including imperative, declarative (inte= nt), and other paradigms =E2=80=A2 End-to-end mobile software networks architecture =E2=80=A2 Cloud Management, software-defined infrastructure, and NFV =E2=80=A2 Management architecture, building blocks, protocols and APIs for= 5G networks, layers and systems =E2=80=A2 Operating system for networking in 5G Cloud computing and networ= k virtualization technologies for RAN, backhaul and core =E2=80=A2 NFV architectures for 5G networks =E2=80=A2 Dynamic service placement and management =E2=80=A2 Dynamic Service Function Chaining =E2=80=A2 QoS and QoE new metrics in software-defined 5G networks =E2=80=A2 Recursive mobile network architectures =E2=80=A2 Advances in mobile network management and orchestration =E2=80=A2 Fronthaul and backhaul integration =E2=80=A2 Spectrum sharing =E2=80=A2 Emerging 5G standards =E2=80=A2 Economic drivers for the deployment of 5G Networks technologies =E2=80=A2 Evaluation, testbeds and management =E2=80=A2 Open Source tools for 5G Prototyping =E2=80=A2 Feedback on 5G experimental testbed PAPER SUBMISSION Paper submissions must present original, unpublished research or experiences. Only original papers that have not been published or submitted for publication elsewhere can be submitted. Each submission must be written in English, accompanied by a 75 to 200 words abstract that clearly outlines the scope and contributions of the paper. There is a length limitation of 6 pages (including title, abstract, all figures, tables, and references) for regular conferenc= e papers, and 4 pages for short papers describing work in progress. Submissions must be in IEEE 2-column style. Self-plagiarized papers will be rejected without further review. Authors should submit their papers via JEMS: (https://jems.sbc.org.br/Paper.cgi?c=3D2685&track=3D6206). PROCEEDINGS Papers accepted for 5GMan2017, will be included in the conference proceedings, IEEE Xplore, IFIP database and EI Index. IFIP and IEEE reserve the right to remove any paper from the IFIP database and IEEE Xplore if the paper is not presented at the workshop. Awards will be presented to the best paper. WORKSHOP CO-CHAIRS Imen Grida Ben Yahia, Orange Labs, France Roberto Riggio, CREATE-NET, Italy WORKSHOP STEERING COMMITEE Imen Grida Ben Yahia, Orange Labs, France Roberto Riggio, CREATE-NET, Italy John Strassner, Huawei Technologies, USA Younghan Kim, Soongsil University, Korea Christian Esteve Rothenberg, University of Campinas, Brasil For more information, please visit: http://www.5gman.org --001a11438392f2c66b05457f03f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Co-loca= ted with IEEE IM 2017, May 8-12, Lisbon, Portugal

= Workshop website: http://www.5gman.org/

Accepted paper will be indexed by IEEExplore.

IMPORTANT DATES

=C2=A0- Pa= per registration: January 9th, 2017
=C2=A0- Paper submission: Jan= uary 9th, 2017
=C2=A0- Notification of acceptance: January 30th, = 2017
=C2=A0- Final version of papers due: February 15th, 2017
=C2=A0- Workshop date: 8th or 12th May, 2017

5G is envisioned as the next generation of mobile networks. Several initi= atives
are taking place in Asia, America and Europe, such as the = MOST (Ministry of
Science & Technology) 5G project in China, = the 5G forum formed in South Korea,
the =E2=80=9C2020 and beyond= =E2=80=9D Ad Hoc group in Japan, the 5G Infrastructure Public
Pri= vate Partnership (5G PPP) in Europe, in addition to several standardization=
related activities. The emerging common features/requirements fr= om these
worldwide activities could be summarized as the followin= g: faster data transfer
rates, shorter latency, availability, sec= urity, lower costs and power
consumption and high performance in = fast mobility situations. Thus, 5G will be
the place to deploy ma= ny new technologies. In particular, 5G networks are
expected to r= ely massively on the most recent advances in Software-Defined
Net= working (SDN) and Network Function Virtualization (NFV), hence offering the=
opportunity to build an open and innovative platform for communi= cations and a
novel brand gathering current and future network ar= chitectures, technologies
and usage. Besides the need for an inno= vative 5G network architecture,
effective and advanced network ma= nagement architectures and techniques are also
cornerstones to fu= lfil these requirements.

The main goal of this wor= kshop is to present state-of-the-art research results
and experie= nce reports in the area of management of 5G networks, addressing
= topics such as management of SDN and NFV-based networks and services, advan= ces
in the management of cloud platforms, programmatic languages = and abstractions
applied to resources and service management, big= data and analytics applied to
management.

TOPICS OF INTEREST


=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Programming abstractions for 5G networks
networks, layers and systems
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Operating system fo= r networking in 5G Cloud computing and network
virtualization tec= hnologies for RAN, backhaul and core
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0NFV architec= tures for 5G networks
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Dynamic service placement a= nd management
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Dynamic Service Function Chaining
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0QoS and QoE new metrics in software-defined 5G net= works
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Recursive mobile network architectures
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Advances in mobile network management and orchestrati= on
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Fronthaul and backhaul integration
= =E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Spectrum sharing
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Emerging 5G stan= dards
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Economic drivers for the deployment of 5G N= etworks technologies
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Evaluation, testbeds and man= agement
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Open Source tools for 5G Prototyping
=E2=80=A2 =C2=A0Feedback on 5G experimental testbed

PAPER SUBMISSION

Paper submissions must pr= esent original, unpublished research or experiences.
Only origina= l papers that have not been published or submitted for publication
elsewhere can be submitted. Each submission must be written in English,
accompanied by a 75 to 200 words abstract that clearly outlines th= e scope and
contributions of the paper. There is a length limitat= ion of 6 pages (including
title, abstract, all figures, tables, a= nd references) for regular conference
papers, and 4 pages for sho= rt papers describing work in progress. Submissions
must be in IEE= E 2-column style. Self-plagiarized papers will be rejected
withou= t further review. Authors should submit their papers via JEMS:
PROCEEDINGS

Papers accepted for 5GMan2= 017, will be included in the conference proceedings,
IEEE Xplore,= IFIP database and EI Index. IFIP and IEEE reserve the right to
r= emove any paper from the IFIP database and IEEE Xplore if the paper is not<= /div>
presented at the workshop. Awards will be presented to the best p= aper.

WORKSHOP CO-CHAIRS

= Imen Grida Ben Yahia, Orange Labs, France
Roberto Riggio, CREATE-= NET, Italy

WORKSHOP STEERING COMMITEE
Imen Grida Ben Yahia, Orange Labs, France
Roberto Ri= ggio, CREATE-NET, Italy
John Strassner, Huawei Technologies, USA<= /div>
Younghan Kim, Soongsil University, Korea
Christian Este= ve Rothenberg, University of Campinas, Brasil

For = more information, please visit: http://www= .5gman.org

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Lopez" Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv X-BeenThere: nfvrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Function Virtualization Research Group \(NFVRG\) discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 21:00:30 -0000 --f403045e3bd4194e230545734a15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I was wondering if the lightweight NFV performance comparison should also be extended to the rest of the stack. For example openstack + opnfv could be very heavyweight while other management platforms for containers (if they exists) could be executed on low power platforms (which could make sense in some deployments). R. On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, ram krishnan wrote: > Hi Azhar, > > > > Thanks for the comments and the interest. The rationale behind adoption i= s > we see strong community interest in the topic and have reasonable content > in the document. We still have more steps like last call before the RFC > publication and are expecting good community contribution to the document > prior to that. > > > > For the performance comparisons, we didn't use HW acceleration techniques > since they are application and deployment specific; for example, a small > CPE in an enterprise branch may never use any hardware acceleration becau= se > of the low throughput requirements. Any specific suggestions including > references in this area are most welcome. > > > > Container networking is definitely an interesting topic. We will certainl= y > capture the challenges in a mixed Container/OpenStack environment, how > efforts like Kuryr are attempting to address these and how SR-IOV plays o= ut > in this scenario. Any other suggestions are welcome. > > > > Can you please elaborate more on the single threading support? > > > > Thanks, > > Ramki > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed > Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM > To: Diego R. Lopez > Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org > Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg- > containers-for-nfv > > > > Hi Diego and Authors.. > > > > Can you clarify if any data path acceleration techniques were used to > measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what is the usefulne= ss > of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons then fine - if th= e > idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to Unikernel and > containers then you have achieved it it well.. > > > > The main issues with Unikernels or containers for NFV are not discussed i= n > depth - Issues such as single threading support, IP address assignment an= d > container networking need further exploration and study. Need at least > statements in the document that those are for further study. > > > > So perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft - may be the > objectives can be clarified. > > > > Regards, > > Azhar > > > > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This first message of the new year is to launch a two-week adoption cal= l > for draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe the > document is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has evolved > from an analysis of container technology into a more comprehensive > discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV. > > > > > > Please indicate in your comments =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9C= no support=E2=80=9D and discuss > how this draft will contribute to the goals of NFVRG. > > > > > > The current draft is available at: > > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg- > containers-for-nfv/ > > > > > > Be goode, > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" > > > > > > Dr Diego R. Lopez > > > Telefonica I+D > > > http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ > > > > > > e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com > > > Tel: +34 913 129 041 <+34%20913%2012%2090%2041> > > > Mobile: +34 682 051 091 <+34%20682%2005%2010%2091> > > > ---------------------------------- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Nfvrg mailing list > > > Nfvrg@irtf.org > > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nfvrg mailing list > > Nfvrg@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg > > _______________________________________________ > Nfvrg mailing list > Nfvrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg > > --=20 -------------------------------------------------------- Roberto Riggio, Ph.D. CREATE-NET Chief Scientist Future Networks (FuN) Via alla Cascata 56/D - 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) e-mail: rriggio@fbk.eu <- NEW EMAIL ADDRESS office: (+39) 0461 31 24 81 Fax: (+39) 0461 42 11 57 mobile: (+39) 338 72 93 203 skype: hamvil homepage: http://www.robertoriggio.net/ -------------------------------------------------------- --f403045e3bd4194e230545734a15 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I was wondering if the lightweight = NFV performance comparison should also be extended
to the rest of= the stack. For example openstack + opnfv could be very heavyweight while= =C2=A0
other management platforms for containers (if they exists)= could be executed on low=C2=A0
power platforms (which could make= sense in some deployments).

R.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9= :47 PM, ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Azhar,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the comments and the interest. The rationale behind adoption is= we see strong community interest in the topic and have reasonable content = in the document. We still have more steps like last call before the RFC pub= lication and are expecting good community contribution to the document prio= r to that.

=C2=A0

Fo= r the performance comparisons, we didn't use HW acceleration techniques= since they are application and deployment specific; for example, a small C= PE in an enterprise branch may never use any hardware acceleration because = of the low throughput requirements. Any specific suggestions including refe= rences in this area are most welcome.

=C2=A0

Container networking is definitely an interesting = topic. We will certainly capture the challenges in a mixed Container/OpenSt= ack environment, how efforts like Kuryr are attempting to address these and= how SR-IOV plays out in this scenario. Any other suggestions are welcome.<= u>

=C2= =A0

Can you pleas= e elaborate more on the single threading support?

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ramki

=C2=A0=

-----Original Messa= ge-----
From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed<= br>Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM
To: Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@te= lefonica.com>
Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org
Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-= natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv

=C2=A0

Hi Diego and Authors..

=C2=A0

Can you clarify if any data path acceleration techni= ques were used to measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what= is the usefulness of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons = then fine - if the idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to Uni= kernel and containers then you have achieved it it well..

=

=C2=A0

The main issues with Unikernel= s or containers for NFV are not discussed in depth - Issues such as single = threading support, IP address assignment and container networking need furt= her exploration and study. Need at least statements in the document that th= ose are for further study.

=C2=A0

So perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft -= may be the objectives can be clarified.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Azhar

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote:

>

= > Hi,

&= gt;

> = This first message of the new year is to launch a two-week adoption call fo= r draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe the do= cument is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has evolved from = an analysis of container technology into a more comprehensive discussion of= lightweight technologies in NFV.

>

> Please indicate in your comments =E2=80=9Csupport= =E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D and discuss how this draft will c= ontribute to the goals of NFVRG.

>

> The current draft is available at:

>

> https://datatrac= ker.ietf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv/=

> =

> Be g= oode,

>=

> =

> --

> "Est= a vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"

>

> Dr Diego R. Lopez

> Telefonica I+D=

> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/<= u>

>

> e-mail: <= a href=3D"mailto:diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com" target=3D"_blank">diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com

&= gt; Tel:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +34 913 129 041

> Mobile: +34 682 0= 51 091

> ----------------------------------

>

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> Nfvrg@irtf.org

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Lopez" Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv X-BeenThere: nfvrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Function Virtualization Research Group \(NFVRG\) discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 10:52:36 -0000 --94eb2c149b2871feff05457eee52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was thinking about frameworks like dockyard. There are many other tools (more or less complex) to manage containers without going to full blown VIMs like openstack. However what is missing is a Lightweight MANO to replace platforms like OPNFV etc. il the low-end side of the spectrum. We are actually working on this but it is still very far from a public release= . R. On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 PM, ram krishnan wrote: > Hi Roberto, > > > > Valid point. Do you have any specific examples in mind? > > > > Thanks, > > Ramki > > > > *From:* Roberto Riggio [mailto:rriggio@fbk.eu] > *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 12:59 PM > *To:* ram krishnan > *Cc:* Azhar Sayeed ; Diego R. Lopez < > diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>; nfvrg@irtf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg- > containers-for-nfv > > > > Hi, > > > > I was wondering if the lightweight NFV performance comparison should also > be extended > > to the rest of the stack. For example openstack + opnfv could be very > heavyweight while > > other management platforms for containers (if they exists) could be > executed on low > > power platforms (which could make sense in some deployments). > > > > R. > > > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, ram krishnan wrote: > > Hi Azhar, > > > > Thanks for the comments and the interest. The rationale behind adoption i= s > we see strong community interest in the topic and have reasonable content > in the document. We still have more steps like last call before the RFC > publication and are expecting good community contribution to the document > prior to that. > > > > For the performance comparisons, we didn't use HW acceleration techniques > since they are application and deployment specific; for example, a small > CPE in an enterprise branch may never use any hardware acceleration becau= se > of the low throughput requirements. Any specific suggestions including > references in this area are most welcome. > > > > Container networking is definitely an interesting topic. We will certainl= y > capture the challenges in a mixed Container/OpenStack environment, how > efforts like Kuryr are attempting to address these and how SR-IOV plays o= ut > in this scenario. Any other suggestions are welcome. > > > > Can you please elaborate more on the single threading support? > > > > Thanks, > > Ramki > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed > Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM > To: Diego R. Lopez > Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org > Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg- > containers-for-nfv > > > > Hi Diego and Authors.. > > > > Can you clarify if any data path acceleration techniques were used to > measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what is the usefulne= ss > of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons then fine - if th= e > idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to Unikernel and > containers then you have achieved it it well.. > > > > The main issues with Unikernels or containers for NFV are not discussed i= n > depth - Issues such as single threading support, IP address assignment an= d > container networking need further exploration and study. Need at least > statements in the document that those are for further study. > > > > So perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft - may be the > objectives can be clarified. > > > > Regards, > > Azhar > > > > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This first message of the new year is to launch a two-week adoption cal= l > for draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe the > document is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has evolved > from an analysis of container technology into a more comprehensive > discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV. > > > > > > Please indicate in your comments =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9C= no support=E2=80=9D and discuss > how this draft will contribute to the goals of NFVRG. > > > > > > The current draft is available at: > > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg- > containers-for-nfv/ > > > > > > Be goode, > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" > > > > > > Dr Diego R. Lopez > > > Telefonica I+D > > > http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ > > > > > > e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com > > > Tel: +34 913 129 041 <+34%20913%2012%2090%2041> > > > Mobile: +34 682 051 091 <+34%20682%2005%2010%2091> > > > ---------------------------------- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Nfvrg mailing list > > > Nfvrg@irtf.org > > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nfvrg mailing list > > Nfvrg@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfvrg mailing list > Nfvrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Roberto Riggio, Ph.D. > > CREATE-NET > > Chief Scientist > > Future Networks (FuN) > > Via alla Cascata 56/D - 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) > > e-mail: rriggio@fbk.eu <- NEW EMAIL ADDRESS > > office: (+39) 0461 31 24 81 > > Fax: (+39) 0461 42 11 57 > > mobile: (+39) 338 72 93 203 > > skype: hamvil > > homepage: http://www.robertoriggio.net/ > > -------------------------------------------------------- > --=20 -------------------------------------------------------- Roberto Riggio, Ph.D. CREATE-NET Chief Scientist Future Networks (FuN) Via alla Cascata 56/D - 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) e-mail: rriggio@fbk.eu <- NEW EMAIL ADDRESS office: (+39) 0461 31 24 81 Fax: (+39) 0461 42 11 57 mobile: (+39) 338 72 93 203 skype: hamvil homepage: http://www.robertoriggio.net/ -------------------------------------------------------- --94eb2c149b2871feff05457eee52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was thinking about frameworks like dockyard. There are m= any other tools (more or less complex)
to manage containers without goi= ng to full blown VIMs like openstack. However what is missing is
= a Lightweight MANO to replace platforms like OPNFV etc. il the low-end side= of the spectrum. We
are actually working on this but it is still= very far from a public release.

R.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 = at 10:23 PM, ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com> wrote:
=

Hi Roberto,

=C2= =A0

Valid point. Do you have any s= pecific examples in mind?

<= u>=C2=A0

Thanks,=

Ramki

=C2=A0

F= rom: Roberto Riggio [mailto:rriggio@fbk.eu]
Sent: Friday, January 6, 20= 17 12:59 PM
To: ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com>
Cc: Azhar Sa= yeed <asayeed@re= dhat.com>; Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>; nfvrg@irtf.org


Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption = of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv
<= p>

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I was wonderin= g if the lightweight NFV performance comparison should also be extended<= /u>

to the rest of the stack. F= or example openstack + opnfv could be very heavyweight while=C2=A0

other management platforms for c= ontainers (if they exists) could be executed on low=C2=A0

=

power platforms (which could make sense i= n some deployments).

= =C2=A0

R.

=

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

Hi Azhar,

=C2=A0

T= hanks for the comments and the interest. The rationale behind adoption is w= e see strong community interest in the topic and have reasonable content in= the document. We still have more steps like last call before the RFC publi= cation and are expecting good community contribution to the document prior = to that.

=C2=A0

For the performance comparisons, we did= n't use HW acceleration techniques since they are application and deplo= yment specific; for example, a small CPE in an enterprise branch may never = use any hardware acceleration because of the low throughput requirements. A= ny specific suggestions including references in this area are most welcome.=

=C2=A0

Container networking is definitely an interesti= ng topic. We will certainly capture the challenges in a mixed Container/Ope= nStack environment, how efforts like Kuryr are attempting to address these = and how SR-IOV plays out in this scenario. Any other suggestions are welcom= e.

=C2=A0

Can you please elaborate more on the single t= hreading support?

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ramki

=C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Nfvrg [= mailto:nfvrg-bo= unces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed
Sent: Friday, January= 6, 2017 8:11 AM
To: Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>
C= c: nfvrg@irtf.orgSubject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-cont= ainers-for-nfv

=C2=A0

Hi Diego and Authors..<= /u>

= =C2=A0

Can you clarify if any data path acceleration techniques w= ere used to measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what is th= e usefulness of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons then f= ine - if the idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to Unikernel= and containers then you have achieved it it well..

=C2=A0=

The main issues with Unikernels or containers for NFV are not discussed= in depth - Issues such as single threading support, IP address assignment = and container networking need further exploration and study. Need at least = statements in the document that those are for further study.<= /p>

=C2= =A0

So perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft -= may be the objectives can be clarified.

=C2=A0

=

Regards= ,

Azhar

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote= :

>

> Hi,

>

> This fi= rst message of the new year is to launch a two-week adoption call for draft= -natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe the document = is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has evolved from an anal= ysis of container technology into a more comprehensive discussion of lightw= eight technologies in NFV.

>

> Please indicate i= n your comments =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D a= nd discuss how this draft will contribute to the goals of NFVRG.<= /u>

= >

> The current draft is available at:

> <= /u>

> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-= nfvrg-containers-for-nfv/

>

=

> Be= goode,

>

>

> --

=

> &q= uot;Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"

> =

> Dr Diego R. Lopez

> Telefonica I+D

> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/=

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> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com<= /p>

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X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K_3FbGKFf3ZZ for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 04:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tpip.net (mail.tpip.net [92.43.49.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3AC9129C48 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 04:19:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.tpip.net (unknown [153.92.65.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAF0B4F403; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by office.tpip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE66A2BE2; Mon, 9 Jan 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Lopez" Message-ID: <2064863847.374819.1483964368699.JavaMail.zimbra@tpip.net> In-Reply-To: <28C35E5A-E08B-47E2-AE9E-EEF9EDAD60DD@telefonica.com> References: <28C35E5A-E08B-47E2-AE9E-EEF9EDAD60DD@telefonica.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [153.92.65.89] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.7.0_GA_1659 (ZimbraWebClient - FF50 (Win)/8.7.0_GA_1659) Thread-Topic: Review of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv Thread-Index: AQHSZh94bnuIWDZfOEmltSD4O/HFW+4mKZag Archived-At: Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org Subject: [Nfvrg] Review of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv X-BeenThere: nfvrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kostas Pentikousis List-Id: "Network Function Virtualization Research Group \(NFVRG\) discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 12:19:34 -0000 Hi Diego, all, | The current draft is available at: | | https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv/ It seems that the draft expired at the time of this review. I had a cursory look and I have a few comments on the expired version -03. First, it would be good to be more explicit about the scope, goal and applicability of the draft. Second, the draft does not cover salient research papers in this very active area. In fact, the first reference is to a wikipedia article; only one peer-reviewed paper is cited; most references are web pages. This should be significantly improved; see also RFC 5743, sec. 2.1. Up to section 4, we only read text with high-level challenges (e.g. "When a resource component is compromised, quarantine the compromised entity but ensure service continuity for other resources") or requirements (e.g. "a management solution ... Is secure"). The conclusion explicitly says that the draft "presented the challenges when building an NFV platform", thus I'm not sure why the draft title includes the word "analysis". Section 4 reports on a particular set of results. Was there any consultation with bmwg, for instance? I think I mentioned it in the last meeting in Berlin that some more information regarding the experiments is needed. It's not clear how many samples do you have, or what do the reported numbers represent (first run, mean, median, ...), what is the impact of the platform and the respective components, or what new insights we get from this particular set of experiments compared to other work. In general, I think sec. 4 is more suitable for a peer-reviewed workshop paper to be cited by the draft. Finally, the conclusion is not particularly enlightening: "We conclude that choosing a solution is nuanced, and depends on how much value different NFV operators place on criteria such as strong isolation, performance and compatibility with applications and management frameworks." I would appreciate something more specific. A few nits as well: On the header (p. 2 ff.), the draft is dated "September 2015", not as on the first page (July 8, 2016). Indentation on 3rd level headings looks strange, ditto for bullet style (cf. lists in sec. 3.1.1 vs. 3.2.1, and the remainder of the document). I'm not sure why there's a need for a single 3rd level section in both cases; ditto for 3.3.1 and 3.4.1. To sum up, I think more work is needed prior to RG adoption. Best regards, Kostas From nobody Mon Jan 9 07:02:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E87C1295DE for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 07:02:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.429 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.429 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wUQBO7R1Kg5R for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 07:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-x233.google.com (mail-oi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C0F9129D31 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 07:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id w204so12159046oiw.0 for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 07:02:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qBNH11NP5QrPmT5xkVkDTvEtantEt0fbEBXfoDFT3Tw=; b=XhaCgP2u439Ej6GiY7UVtNIqY0amKUGLRLTjxkUgy077VLwXgddiOXqGttr8iv5rNl sjKzq4SP1e7wbrLFGGPjefJTgw9T3tFzZ8UOIMx2Xbe+fhwnZn5LzglxmOZIjSLi6/QF C9oEy9wQX49meSG6gbFPbJJ+YtAT2R6ygyo4HJLIghq9i546otYgK911t5OPvkFBBUk5 ESH7Lcbs6KouxhQn3WCJdo9x1H/9MVW0viNrCV0StWXVWn/U9wGmslGV1vJxL5i2kLF3 pinQqM5QmraEFMlq7WfzzZ/dKHqvjqbTDoyGa2kO35i2OpDk2cY3G+hPlsWQY/7vcfYm BJZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qBNH11NP5QrPmT5xkVkDTvEtantEt0fbEBXfoDFT3Tw=; b=PvgfSX6h/D0zV94U2FDvBm/z5Z7+eVsf0fBZC/gPEhSbwBp4Qc5ahOFhPHIZVqm6ys DqWwLrc9VYKm8gBbLGxR4vfnRVzUWyTSXaWoBMr4LndHGxoD7zwRt2+flhh5eWzj9XWO w/hNvKtblIazE1VppuudCeaC2bU1xwLJktJUyx7xjODz3gJxKjkDSBCpCPavo2DITXB5 cDpCgf54hftTO7+L+F//VS4k2evuxq501cqk3OJB8SyX9PVVyHRXDXTn6s50178Ramk/ bLfllANafXG+kt7Ny+3oNKNyjSbQh2Q+l5yOBf3l/y9fgHUDeXPbLQHUy9ngjnvXSh1r pR2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIZeXKoGv5x10QhrEQl7EdEQtX2CRd8ujU/vowZ98xU2hGRwNCEC1iw9JgdFgC+Hw7Oa6mC363ufsBqWA== X-Received: by 10.202.8.197 with SMTP id 188mr2247044oii.22.1483974145487; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 07:02:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.21.1 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 07:02:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <28C35E5A-E08B-47E2-AE9E-EEF9EDAD60DD@telefonica.com> <004d01d2685e$15cf3000$416d9000$@gmail.com> <007401d26863$2b917650$82b462f0$@gmail.com> From: Ram Krishnan Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 07:02:25 -0800 Message-ID: To: "Diego R. Lopez" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c130572cc3c410545aaa70c Archived-At: Cc: "nfvrg@irtf.org" , Roberto Riggio , Azhar Sayeed Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv X-BeenThere: nfvrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Function Virtualization Research Group \(NFVRG\) discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 15:02:33 -0000 --94eb2c130572cc3c410545aaa70c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roberto, I echo Diego's thoughts. Would certainly be interested in knowing more. =E2=80=8BThanks, Ramki=E2=80=8B On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Diego R. Lopez < diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote: > Hi Roberto, > > I would be very much interested in knowing more about this approach. At > the last OpenStack Summit in Barcelona I had the opportunity to discuss t= he > approach of a lightweight VIM (or even a general lightweight cloud > orchestration) for use cases like the one that you mention. We believe th= e > current OpenVIM inside OpenMANO is a clear example of it. > > Be goode, > > On 7 Jan 2017, at 11:52 , Roberto Riggio wrote: > > I was thinking about frameworks like dockyard. There are many other tools > (more or less complex) > to manage containers without going to full blown VIMs like openstack. > However what is missing is > a Lightweight MANO to replace platforms like OPNFV etc. il the low-end > side of the spectrum. We > are actually working on this but it is still very far from a public > release. > > R. > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 PM, ram krishnan wrote= : > >> Hi Roberto, >> >> >> >> Valid point. Do you have any specific examples in mind? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ramki >> >> >> >> *From:* Roberto Riggio [mailto:rriggio@fbk.eu] >> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 12:59 PM >> *To:* ram krishnan >> *Cc:* Azhar Sayeed ; Diego R. Lopez < >> diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>; nfvrg@irtf.org >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of >> draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I was wondering if the lightweight NFV performance comparison should als= o >> be extended >> >> to the rest of the stack. For example openstack + opnfv could be very >> heavyweight while >> >> other management platforms for containers (if they exists) could be >> executed on low >> >> power platforms (which could make sense in some deployments). >> >> >> >> R. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, ram krishnan wrote= : >> >> Hi Azhar, >> >> >> >> Thanks for the comments and the interest. The rationale behind adoption >> is we see strong community interest in the topic and have reasonable >> content in the document. We still have more steps like last call before = the >> RFC publication and are expecting good community contribution to the >> document prior to that. >> >> >> >> For the performance comparisons, we didn't use HW acceleration technique= s >> since they are application and deployment specific; for example, a small >> CPE in an enterprise branch may never use any hardware acceleration beca= use >> of the low throughput requirements. Any specific suggestions including >> references in this area are most welcome. >> >> >> >> Container networking is definitely an interesting topic. We will >> certainly capture the challenges in a mixed Container/OpenStack >> environment, how efforts like Kuryr are attempting to address these and = how >> SR-IOV plays out in this scenario. Any other suggestions are welcome. >> >> >> >> Can you please elaborate more on the single threading support? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ramki >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed >> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM >> To: Diego R. Lopez >> Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org >> Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containe >> rs-for-nfv >> >> >> >> Hi Diego and Authors.. >> >> >> >> Can you clarify if any data path acceleration techniques were used to >> measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what is the usefuln= ess >> of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons then fine - if t= he >> idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to Unikernel and >> containers then you have achieved it it well.. >> >> >> >> The main issues with Unikernels or containers for NFV are not discussed >> in depth - Issues such as single threading support, IP address assignmen= t >> and container networking need further exploration and study. Need at lea= st >> statements in the document that those are for further study. >> >> >> >> So perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft - may be the >> objectives can be clarified. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Azhar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez < >> diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Hi, >> >> > >> >> > This first message of the new year is to launch a two-week adoption >> call for draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe >> the document is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has evol= ved >> from an analysis of container technology into a more comprehensive >> discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV. >> >> > >> >> > Please indicate in your comments =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80= =9Cno support=E2=80=9D and discuss >> how this draft will contribute to the goals of NFVRG. >> >> > >> >> > The current draft is available at: >> >> > >> >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-conta >> iners-for-nfv/ >> >> > >> >> > Be goode, >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >> >> > >> >> > Dr Diego R. Lopez >> >> > Telefonica I+D >> >> > http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ >> >> > >> >> > e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com >> >> > Tel: +34 913 129 041 <+34%20913%2012%2090%2041> >> >> > Mobile: +34 682 051 091 <+34%20682%2005%2010%2091> >> >> > ---------------------------------- >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Nfvrg mailing list >> >> > Nfvrg@irtf.org >> >> > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Nfvrg mailing list >> >> Nfvrg@irtf.org >> >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nfvrg mailing list >> Nfvrg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Roberto Riggio, Ph.D. >> >> CREATE-NET >> >> Chief Scientist >> >> Future Networks (FuN) >> >> Via alla Cascata 56/D - 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) >> >> e-mail: rriggio@fbk.eu <- NEW EMAIL ADDRESS >> >> office: (+39) 0461 31 24 81 >> >> Fax: (+39) 0461 42 11 57 >> >> mobile: (+39) 338 72 93 203 >> >> skype: hamvil >> >> homepage: http://www.robertoriggio.net/ >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Roberto Riggio, Ph.D. > CREATE-NET > Chief Scientist > Future Networks (FuN) > Via alla Cascata 56/D - 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) > e-mail: rriggio@fbk.eu <- NEW EMAIL ADDRESS > office: (+39) 0461 31 24 81 > Fax: (+39) 0461 42 11 57 > mobile: (+39) 338 72 93 203 > skype: hamvil > homepage: http://www.robertoriggio.net/ > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" > > Dr Diego R. Lopez > Telefonica I+D > http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ > > e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com > Tel: +34 913 129 041 <+34%20913%2012%2090%2041> > Mobile: +34 682 051 091 <+34%20682%2005%2010%2091> > ---------------------------------- > > --=20 Thanks, Ramki --94eb2c130572cc3c410545aaa70c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Roberto,

I echo Diego's thoughts. Would c= ertainly be interested in knowing more. =C2=A0

=E2=80=8BThanks,
Ramki=E2=80=8B
<= br>
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Diego R. Lop= ez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote:
Hi Roberto,

I would be very much interested in knowing more about this approach. A= t the last OpenStack Summit in Barcelona I had the opportunity to discuss t= he approach of a lightweight VIM (or even a general lightweight cloud orche= stration) for use cases like the one that you mention. We believe the current OpenVIM inside OpenM= ANO is a clear example of it.

Be goode,

On 7 Jan 2017, at 11:52 , Roberto Riggio <rriggio@fbk.eu> wrote:

I was thinking about frameworks like dockyard. There are m= any other tools (more or less complex)
to manage containers without going to full blown VIMs like openstack. = However what is missing is
a Lightweight MANO to replace platforms like OPNFV etc. il the low-end= side of the spectrum. We
are actually working on this but it is still very far from a public re= lease.

R.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 PM, ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmai= l.com> wrote:

Hi Roberto,

=C2=A0

Valid point. Do you have any specific examples in m= ind?

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ramki

=C2=A0

From: Roberto Riggio [mailto:rriggio@fbk.eu]
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:59 PM
To: ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com>
Cc: Azhar Sayeed <asayeed@redhat.com>; Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com= >; nfvrg@irtf.org


Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-cont= ainers-for-nfv

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I was wondering if the lightweight NFV performance c= omparison should also be extended

to the rest of the stack. For example openstack + op= nfv could be very heavyweight while=C2=A0

other management platforms for containers (if they e= xists) could be executed on low=C2=A0

power platforms (which could make sense in some depl= oyments).

=C2=A0

R.

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Azhar,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the comments and the interest. The ration= ale behind adoption is we see strong community interest in the topic and ha= ve reasonable content in the document. We still have more steps like last c= all before the RFC publication and are expecting good community contribution to the document prior to that.

=C2=A0

For the performance comparisons, we didn't use HW accele= ration techniques since they are application and deployment specific; for e= xample, a small CPE in an enterprise branch may never use any hardware acceleration because of the low throughput requirements. Any spec= ific suggestions including references in this area are most welcome.=

=C2=A0

Container networking is definitely an interesting topic. We = will certainly capture the challenges in a mixed Container/OpenStack enviro= nment, how efforts like Kuryr are attempting to address these and how SR-IOV plays out in this scenario. Any other suggestions are= welcome.

=C2=A0

Can you please elaborate more on the single threading suppor= t?

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ramki

=C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM
To: Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>
Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org<= br> Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv

=C2=A0

Hi Diego and Authors..

=C2=A0

Can you clarify if any data path acceleration techniques wer= e used to measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what is the = usefulness of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons then fine - if the idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to Un= ikernel and containers then you have achieved it it well..

=C2=A0

The main issues with Unikernels or containers for NFV are no= t discussed in depth - Issues such as single threading support, IP address = assignment and container networking need further exploration and study. Need at least statements in the document that those are for fur= ther study.

=C2=A0

So perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft = - may be the objectives can be clarified.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Azhar

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> This first message of the new year is to launch a two-w= eek adoption call for draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki = and I believe the document is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has evolved from an analysis of container technology= into a more comprehensive discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV.

>

> Please indicate in your comments =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80= =9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D and discuss how this draft will contrib= ute to the goals of NFVRG.

>

> The current draft is available at:

>

> https://datatracker.i= etf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv/<= u>

>

> Be goode,

>

>

> --

> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"<= /u>

>

> Dr Diego R. Lopez

> Telefonica I+D

> http://people.tid.es/= diego.lopez/

>

> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefon= ica.com

> Tel:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +34 913 129 041

> Mobile: +34 682 051 091

> ----------------------------------

>

> _______________________________________________=

> Nfvrg mailing list

> Nfvrg@irtf.org=

> https://www.irtf.org/= mailman/listinfo/nfvrg

=C2=A0

_______________________________________________<= u>

Nfvrg mailing list

Nfvrg@irtf.org<= /u>

https:/= /www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg


_______________________________________________
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Nfvrg@irtf.org
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=C2=A0

--

--------------------= ------------------------------------

Roberto Riggio, Ph.D= .

CREATE-NET=

Chief Scientist=C2= =A0

Future Networks (FuN= )

Via alla Cascata 56/= D - 38123 Povo Trento (Italy)

e-mail: rriggio@fbk.eu <- NEW EMAIL ADDRESS

office: (+39) 0461 3= 1 24 81

Fax: (+39) 0461 42 1= 1 57

mobile: (+39) 338 72= 93 203

skype: hamvil=

--------------------= ------------------------------------




--
--------------------------------------= ------------------
Roberto Riggio, Ph.D.
CREATE-NET
Chief Scientist=C2=A0
Future Networks (FuN)
Via alla Cascata 56/D - 38123 Povo Trento (= Italy)
e-mail: rriggio@fbk.eu <- NEW EMAIL ADDRESS
office: (+39) 0461 31 24 81
Fax: (+39) 0461 42 11 57
mobile: (+39) 338 72 93 203
skype: hamvil
--------------------------------------= ------------------

--
"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"

Dr Diego R. Lopez
Telefonica I+D
http://peop= le.tid.es/diego.lopez/

e-mail: d= iego.r.lopez@telefonica.com
Tel: =C2=A0 =C2=A0+34 913 129 041
Mobile: +34 682 051 091
----------------------------------




--
Th= anks,=C2=A0
Ramki
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Lopez" Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv X-BeenThere: nfvrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Function Virtualization Research Group \(NFVRG\) discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 15:24:59 -0000 --f40304361f322186a10545aaf822 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, actually we are bumping into this aspect continuously while working on NFV and in particular on MEC scenario. Essentially, echoing what Feynman said in relation to nanotechnology, it seems that there "is plenty of space at the bottom" of the NFV domain. In particular we had several doubts regarding whatever it makes sense to us= e an openstack+an ETSI mano framework to orchestrate edge workloads where you have low footprint whiteboxes. Also in some cases the VNF that you end up orchestrating and pretty different from your regular VNF. E.g. they could be part of a portion of a RAT stack running as a VNF (see the small cell forum work on functional split). What we are doing is to develop a VIM+MANO framework that could orchestrate containers and clickOS instances. At the moment we have only basic orchestration for clickOS based VNFs (with support for stateful migration). Significant work is to be done in order to address also the most popular container technologies. The click OS orchestrator is already available on github. Given the scope of this document what is really interesting to me is to understand what would be the KPIs to be considered in order to motivate such a lightMANO (virtualization/orchestration overhead? baseline resources requirement just to bootstrap the system? ...) R. On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Ram Krishnan wrote: > Hi Roberto, > > I echo Diego's thoughts. Would certainly be interested in knowing more. > > =E2=80=8BThanks, > Ramki=E2=80=8B > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Diego R. Lopez < > diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote: > >> Hi Roberto, >> >> I would be very much interested in knowing more about this approach. At >> the last OpenStack Summit in Barcelona I had the opportunity to discuss = the >> approach of a lightweight VIM (or even a general lightweight cloud >> orchestration) for use cases like the one that you mention. We believe t= he >> current OpenVIM inside OpenMANO is a clear example of it. >> >> Be goode, >> >> On 7 Jan 2017, at 11:52 , Roberto Riggio wrote: >> >> I was thinking about frameworks like dockyard. There are many other tool= s >> (more or less complex) >> to manage containers without going to full blown VIMs like openstack. >> However what is missing is >> a Lightweight MANO to replace platforms like OPNFV etc. il the low-end >> side of the spectrum. We >> are actually working on this but it is still very far from a public >> release. >> >> R. >> >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 PM, ram krishnan >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Roberto, >>> >>> >>> >>> Valid point. Do you have any specific examples in mind? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ramki >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Roberto Riggio [mailto:rriggio@fbk.eu] >>> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 12:59 PM >>> *To:* ram krishnan >>> *Cc:* Azhar Sayeed ; Diego R. Lopez < >>> diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>; nfvrg@irtf.org >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of >>> draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> I was wondering if the lightweight NFV performance comparison should >>> also be extended >>> >>> to the rest of the stack. For example openstack + opnfv could be very >>> heavyweight while >>> >>> other management platforms for containers (if they exists) could be >>> executed on low >>> >>> power platforms (which could make sense in some deployments). >>> >>> >>> >>> R. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, ram krishnan >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Azhar, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the comments and the interest. The rationale behind adoption >>> is we see strong community interest in the topic and have reasonable >>> content in the document. We still have more steps like last call before= the >>> RFC publication and are expecting good community contribution to the >>> document prior to that. >>> >>> >>> >>> For the performance comparisons, we didn't use HW acceleration >>> techniques since they are application and deployment specific; for exam= ple, >>> a small CPE in an enterprise branch may never use any hardware accelera= tion >>> because of the low throughput requirements. Any specific suggestions >>> including references in this area are most welcome. >>> >>> >>> >>> Container networking is definitely an interesting topic. We will >>> certainly capture the challenges in a mixed Container/OpenStack >>> environment, how efforts like Kuryr are attempting to address these and= how >>> SR-IOV plays out in this scenario. Any other suggestions are welcome. >>> >>> >>> >>> Can you please elaborate more on the single threading support? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ramki >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed >>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM >>> To: Diego R. Lopez >>> Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org >>> Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-contain= e >>> rs-for-nfv >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Diego and Authors.. >>> >>> >>> >>> Can you clarify if any data path acceleration techniques were used to >>> measure throughput between guest and host OS. If not what is the useful= ness >>> of that metric - If the idea is to show raw comparisons then fine - if = the >>> idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to Unikernel and >>> containers then you have achieved it it well.. >>> >>> >>> >>> The main issues with Unikernels or containers for NFV are not discussed >>> in depth - Issues such as single threading support, IP address assignme= nt >>> and container networking need further exploration and study. Need at le= ast >>> statements in the document that those are for further study. >>> >>> >>> >>> So perhaps I am missing the point of adoption of this draft - may be th= e >>> objectives can be clarified. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Azhar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego R. Lopez < >>> diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Hi, >>> >>> > >>> >>> > This first message of the new year is to launch a two-week adoption >>> call for draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe >>> the document is mature enough to consider its adoption, once it has evo= lved >>> from an analysis of container technology into a more comprehensive >>> discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Please indicate in your comments =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80= =9Cno support=E2=80=9D and discuss >>> how this draft will contribute to the goals of NFVRG. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > The current draft is available at: >>> >>> > >>> >>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-conta >>> iners-for-nfv/ >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Be goode, >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > -- >>> >>> > "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Dr Diego R. Lopez >>> >>> > Telefonica I+D >>> >>> > http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ >>> >>> > >>> >>> > e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com >>> >>> > Tel: +34 913 129 041 <+34%20913%2012%2090%2041> >>> >>> > Mobile: +34 682 051 091 <+34%20682%2005%2010%2091> >>> >>> > ---------------------------------- >>> >>> > >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > Nfvrg mailing list >>> >>> > Nfvrg@irtf.org >>> >>> > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Nfvrg mailing list >>> >>> Nfvrg@irtf.org >>> >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nfvrg mailing list >>> Nfvrg@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfvrg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Roberto Riggio, Ph.D. >>> >>> CREATE-NET >>> >>> Chief Scientist >>> >>> Future Networks (FuN) >>> >>> Via alla Cascata 56/D - 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) >>> >>> e-mail: rriggio@fbk.eu <- NEW EMAIL ADDRESS >>> >>> office: (+39) 0461 31 24 81 >>> >>> Fax: (+39) 0461 42 11 57 >>> >>> mobile: (+39) 338 72 93 203 >>> >>> skype: hamvil >>> >>> homepage: http://www.robertoriggio.net/ >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> Roberto Riggio, Ph.D. >> CREATE-NET >> Chief Scientist >> Future Networks (FuN) >> Via alla Cascata 56/D - 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) >> e-mail: rriggio@fbk.eu <- NEW EMAIL ADDRESS >> office: (+39) 0461 31 24 81 >> Fax: (+39) 0461 42 11 57 >> mobile: (+39) 338 72 93 203 >> skype: hamvil >> homepage: http://www.robertoriggio.net/ >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> -- >> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >> >> Dr Diego R. Lopez >> Telefonica I+D >> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ >> >> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com >> Tel: +34 913 129 041 <+34%20913%2012%2090%2041> >> Mobile: +34 682 051 091 <+34%20682%2005%2010%2091> >> ---------------------------------- >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Ramki > --=20 -------------------------------------------------------- Roberto Riggio, Ph.D. CREATE-NET Chief Scientist Future Networks (FuN) Via alla Cascata 56/D - 38123 Povo Trento (Italy) e-mail: rriggio@fbk.eu <- NEW EMAIL ADDRESS office: (+39) 0461 31 24 81 Fax: (+39) 0461 42 11 57 mobile: (+39) 338 72 93 203 skype: hamvil homepage: http://www.robertoriggio.net/ -------------------------------------------------------- --f40304361f322186a10545aaf822 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

actually we are bumping into this a= spect continuously while working on NFV and
in particular on MEC = scenario. Essentially, echoing what Feynman said in relation
to n= anotechnology, it seems that there "is plenty of space at the bottom&q= uot; of the=C2=A0
NFV domain.

In particu= lar we had several doubts regarding whatever it makes sense to use
an openstack+an ETSI mano framework to orchestrate edge workloads where
you have low footprint whiteboxes. Also in some cases the VNF that= you end up
orchestrating and pretty different from your regular = VNF. E.g. they could be part
of a portion of a RAT stack running = as a VNF (see the small cell forum work on
functional split).

What we are doing is to develop a VIM+MANO framework = that could orchestrate
containers and clickOS instances. At the m= oment we have only basic orchestration
for clickOS based VNFs (wi= th support for stateful migration). Significant work is=C2=A0
to = be done in order to address also the most popular container technologies. T= he=C2=A0
click OS orchestrator is already available on github.

Given the scope of this document what is really inte= resting to me is to understand
what would be the KPIs to be consi= dered in order to motivate such a lightMANO=C2=A0
(virtualization= /orchestration overhead? baseline resources requirement just to bootstrap
the system? ...)

R.

<= div>


On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Ram Krishnan <ramkri12= 3@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Roberto,

I echo Diego's thoughts. Would certainly= be interested in knowing more. =C2=A0

=E2=80=8BThanks,
Ramki=E2=80=8B

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:33 A= M, Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com> = wrote:
Hi Roberto,

I would be very much interested in knowing more about this approach. A= t the last OpenStack Summit in Barcelona I had the opportunity to discuss t= he approach of a lightweight VIM (or even a general lightweight cloud orche= stration) for use cases like the one that you mention. We believe the current OpenVIM inside OpenM= ANO is a clear example of it.

Be goode,

On 7 Jan 2017, at 11:52 , Roberto Riggio <rriggio@fbk.eu> wrote:

I was thinking about frameworks like dockyard. There are m= any other tools (more or less complex)
to manage containers without going to full blown VIMs like openstack. = However what is missing is
a Lightweight MANO to replace platforms like OPNFV etc. il the low-end= side of the spectrum. We
are actually working on this but it is still very far from a public re= lease.

R.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 PM, ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmai= l.com> wrote:

Hi Roberto,

=C2=A0

Valid point. Do you have any specific examples in m= ind?

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ramki

=C2=A0

From: Roberto Riggio [mailto:rriggio@fbk.eu]
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:59 PM
To: ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com>
Cc: Azhar Sayeed <asayeed@redhat.com>; Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com= >; nfvrg@irtf.org


Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-cont= ainers-for-nfv

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

I was wondering if the lightweight NFV performance c= omparison should also be extended

to the rest of the stack. For example openstack + op= nfv could be very heavyweight while=C2=A0

other management platforms for containers (if they e= xists) could be executed on low=C2=A0

power platforms (which could make sense in some depl= oyments).

=C2=A0

R.

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:47 PM, ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Azhar,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the comments and the interest. The ration= ale behind adoption is we see strong community interest in the topic and ha= ve reasonable content in the document. We still have more steps like last c= all before the RFC publication and are expecting good community contribution to the document prior to that.

=C2=A0

For the performance comparisons, we di= dn't use HW acceleration techniques since they are application and depl= oyment specific; for example, a small CPE in an enterprise branch may never= use any hardware acceleration because of the low throughput requirements. Any spec= ific suggestions including references in this area are most welcome.=

=C2=A0

Container networking is definitely an = interesting topic. We will certainly capture the challenges in a mixed Cont= ainer/OpenStack environment, how efforts like Kuryr are attempting to addre= ss these and how SR-IOV plays out in this scenario. Any other suggestions are= welcome.

=C2=A0

Can you please elaborate more on the s= ingle threading support?

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ramki

=C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Nfvrg [mailto:nfvrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Azhar Sayeed
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:11 AM
To: Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>
Cc: nfvrg@irtf.org<= br> Subject: Re: [Nfvrg] Call for adoption of draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv

=C2=A0

Hi Diego and Authors..

=C2=A0

Can you clarify if any data path accel= eration techniques were used to measure throughput between guest and host O= S. If not what is the usefulness of that metric - If the idea is to show ra= w comparisons then fine - if the idea is to show how bad the VMs are when compared to Un= ikernel and containers then you have achieved it it well..

=C2=A0

The main issues with Unikernels or con= tainers for NFV are not discussed in depth - Issues such as single threadin= g support, IP address assignment and container networking need further expl= oration and study. Need at least statements in the document that those are for fur= ther study.

=C2=A0

So perhaps I am missing the point of a= doption of this draft - may be the objectives can be clarified.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Azhar

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Diego= R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@te= lefonica.com> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> This first message of the new yea= r is to launch a two-week adoption call for draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containe<= wbr>rs-for-nfv. Ramki and I believe the document is mature enough to consid= er its adoption, once it has evolved from an analysis of container technology= into a more comprehensive discussion of lightweight technologies in NFV.

>

> Please indicate in your comments = =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno support=E2=80=9D and discuss how t= his draft will contribute to the goals of NFVRG.

>

> The current draft is available at= :

>

> https://datatracker.i= etf.org/doc/draft-natarajan-nfvrg-containers-for-nfv/<= u>

>

> Be goode,

>

>

> --

> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doc= tor Infierno"

>

> Dr Diego R. Lopez

> Telefonica I+D

> http://people.tid.es/= diego.lopez/

>

> e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefon= ica.com

> Tel:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +34 913 129 041

> Mobile: +34 682 051 091

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--f40304361f322186a10545aaf822-- From nobody Tue Jan 10 06:04:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1620129B3A for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 06:04:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UsujepqsinLI for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 06:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub021-ca-5.exch021.serverdata.net (hub021-ca-5.exch021.serverdata.net [64.78.56.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78400129CB3 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 06:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from MBX021-W3-CA-2.exch021.domain.local ([10.254.4.78]) by HUB021-CA-5.exch021.domain.local ([10.254.4.89]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 06:04:54 -0800 From: Jim Logan To: "nfvrg@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: Requirements For Containers In NFV Thread-Index: AQHSa0qEKRDvNMGfa0y0fHy1EI/9FQ== Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:04:53 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.8.151023 x-originating-ip: [50.205.79.154] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D49A4CD7F3E2Ejimloganaffirmednetworkscom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Jim Logan Subject: [Nfvrg] Requirements For Containers In NFV X-BeenThere: nfvrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Function Virtualization Research Group \(NFVRG\) discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:04:56 -0000 --_000_D49A4CD7F3E2Ejimloganaffirmednetworkscom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Colleagues, Following up on a side thread that I started related to studying the NFV sp= ecific requirements for containers, I would like to propose a paper that co= vers the following topics. I would appreciate any feedback or guidance you may have on this proposal. Best Regards, Jim Logan Affirmed Networks * Container Overview * Container Runtime * Best practices for application * One process per container limitation/expectation * Tradeoffs for multiple processes per containers * Application Image Management (upgrade, rollback, secure image dist= ribution) * Container Orchestration * OpenStack * Current Capabilities * NFV Requirements * NFV Gaps * Kubernetes * Current Capabilities * NFV Requirements * NFV Gaps * Mesosphere * Current Capabilities * NFV Requirements * NFV Gaps * Docker Swarm * Current Capabilities * NFV Requirements * NFV Gaps * Integration with MANO * Capability overlap with MANO * VNF-M Integration * Container to VM to Physical interactions * Service Discovery * Discovering dependent services in the cloud * Global Session State Database * Centralized Log Layer * Centralized OA&M layer * Generic Load Balancing As A Service * Resource Management * Networking * Overlay Networking * Multiple network interfaces * Multiple IP Addresses * Performance * DPDK SR-IOV * DPDK OVS * Storage * Persistent Storage Needs * CDR, OA&M persistent storage requirements * Compute * Noisy neighbor mitigation * Physical resource SLAs * Scaling in/out * Challenges to scaling a VNF * Security * Functions limited by Linux/Container security constructs * What security functions are moved from the VNF to the host environ= ment? * Supported ciphers * SSH upgrades * TACACs? * Debugging A Containerized VNF * Challenges * Contrainer sprawl in the datacenter * VNF Command Line Interface * Is it needed in the containerized service provider network --_000_D49A4CD7F3E2Ejimloganaffirmednetworkscom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4CE55F103D43DC408026F855FC05296D@internal> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Colleagues,

Following up on a side thread that I started related to studying the N= FV specific requirements for containers, I would like to propose a paper th= at covers the following topics.

I would appreciate any feedback or guidance you may have on this propo= sal.

Best Regards,
Jim Logan
Affirmed Networks

  • Container Overview
  • Container Runtime
    • Best practices for application
    • One process per container limita= tion/expectation
      • Tradeoffs for multiple processes per containers
    • Application Image Management (upgrade, rollback, secure image dist= ribution)
  • Container Orchestration
    • OpenStack
      • Current Capabilities
      • NFV Requirements
      • NFV Gaps
      • Kubernetes
        • Current Capabilities
        • NFV Requirements
        • NFV Gaps
        • Mesosphere
          • Current Capabilities
          • NFV Requirements
          • NFV Gaps
          • Docker Swarm
            • Current Capabilities
            • NFV Requirements
            • NFV Gaps
            • Integration with MANO
              • Capability overlap with MANO
              • VNF-M Integration
              • Containe= r to VM to Physical interactions
          • Service Discovery
            • Discovering dependent services in the cloud
              • Global Session State Database
              • Centralized Log Layer
              • Cen= tralized OA&M layer
              • Generic Load Balancing As A Service
            • Resource Management
              • Networking
                • Overlay Networking
                • Multiple network interfaces
                • Multiple IP Addresses
                • Performance
                  • DPDK SR-IOV
                  • DPDK OVS
              • Storage
                • Persistent Storage Needs
                • CDR, OA&M persistent storage requirements
              • Compute
                • Noisy neighbor mitigation
                • Physical resource SLAs
              • Scaling in/out
                • Challenges to scaling a VNF
            • Security
              • Functions limited by Linux/Container security constructs
              • What s= ecurity functions are moved from the VNF to the host environment?
                • Supported ciphers
                • SSH upgrades
                • TACACs?
            • Debugging A Containerized VNF
              • Challenges
              • Contrainer sprawl in the datacenter
              • VNF Comm= and Line Interface
                • Is it needed in the containerized service provider network



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            Many thanks Jim. Copying NFVRG on the container draft adopti= on support.

            Thanks,
            Ramki
            On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:43 AM, Jim Logan <Jim_Logan@affirmednetworks.com> wrote:
            Hello Ramki,

            Thanks for your response. I support the WG adoption of the container d= raft.

            With regard to your question on Kubernetes, I believe we would be remi= ss to not include it in any study of container orchestration as it is a fou= ndational element of Google=E2=80=99s cloud orchestration.

            Thank you for sharing the link to the Intel IDT technology, I had not = seen it before and look forward to reviewing it.

            Regards,
            Jim

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Therefore, there is an increasing need for more flexibility and agility that can be attained via the architectural decomposition of network components and network services into elementary, reusable primitives as well as the virtualization of network processing elements. In this respect, SWFAN aims at bringing together researchers, engineers, and practitioners to discuss the latest advances on architectures, algorithms, abstractions, and technologies for fluidity, flexibility, and agility in software-based networks. We particularly solicit submissions of unpublished work on (i) the rapid and elastic provisioning of computing, storage, and network resources for NF deployment and scaling in virtualized infrastructures, (ii) the development of new models, protocols, algorithms, and abstractions for more flexible and agile network control, (iii) the specification and development of elementary and reusable primitives for flexible network processing, and (iv) new technologies for high-performance processing. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following: =E2=80=A2 Algorithms and methods for NF placement =E2=80=A2 Dynamic NF state management =E2=80=A2 Service chaining =E2=80=A2 Abstractions and techniques for network service reconfiguration= and=20 scaling =E2=80=A2 Architectures and interfaces for NF configuration and control =E2=80=A2 NF verification, systematic testing, fault management, and protec= tion =E2=80=A2 New models, protocols, and abstractions for flexible and agile= network=20 operations =E2=80=A2 Flexible management, control, and slicing in 5G =E2=80=A2 Programmable data planes =E2=80=A2 Network updates for software-based networks =E2=80=A2 Radio Access Network (RAN) virtualization =E2=80=A2 Mobile Edge Computing =E2=80=A2 Experiences from NFV/SDN deployments in production networks ----------------------------------------------------- Submission Instructions ----------------------------------------------------- Papers should not exceed 6 pages in IEEE format (double-column, 10pt font) and should be submitted via EDAS in PDF (formatted for 8.5x11-inch paper). Reviews will be single-blind, i.e., the papers should include the author names and affiliations. ---------------------------------------------------- Important Dates ---------------------------------------------------- Submission deadline: January 17, 2017 (extended) Acceptance notification: February 22, 2017 Camera ready: March 12, 2017 Workshop: May 1, 2017 ---------------------------------------------------- Workshop Organizing Team ---------------------------------------------------- Giuseppe Bianchi, University of Roma Tor Vergata, Italy Nicola Blefari Melazzi, University of Roma Tor Vergata, Italy Torsten Braun, University of Bern, Switzerland Lefteris Mamatas, University of Macedonia, Greece Panagiotis Papadimitriou, University of Macedonia, Greece Danny Raz, Bell Labs, Nokia, Israel ---------------------------------------------------- TPC Co-Chairs ---------------------------------------------------- Lefteris Mamatas, University of Macedonia, Greece Stefano Salsano, University of Roma Tor Vergata, Italy ---------------------------------------------------- Technical Program Committee ---------------------------------------------------- Erez Biton, NOKIA Bell Labs, Israel Matthew Broadbent, Lancaster University, UK Zhen Cao, Huawei, China Giuseppe Carella, TU Berlin / Fraunhofer FOKUS, Germany Marinos Charalambides, University College London, UK Marco Chiesa, Universite Catholique de Louvain, Belgium Claudio Cicconetti, MBI, Italy Stuart Clayman, University College London, UK Didier Colle, Ghent University =E2=80=93 IMEC, Belgium Daniel Corujo, Universidade de Aveiro, Portugal Antonio de la Oliva, Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, Spain Christian Esteve Rothenberg, University of Campinas - UNICAMP, Brazil Vasilis Friderikos, Kings College London, UK Alex Galis, University College London, UK David Hausheer, TU Darmstadt, Germany Volker Hilt, NOKIA Bell Labs, Germany Markus Hofmann, NOKIA Bell Labs, USA Holger Karl, University of Paderborn, Germany Eric Keller, University of Colorado, USA Wolfgang Kellerer, Technische Universitat Munchen, Germany Christos Liaskos, FORTH, Greece Ibrahim Matta, Boston University, USA Michael McGrath, Intel Labs, Ireland Reza Nejabati, University of Bristol, UK Sergio Palazzo, University of Catania, Italy Symeon Papavassiliou, National Technical University of Athens, Greece Roberto Riggio, Create-Net, Italy Stefan Schmid, Aalborg University, Denmark Florian Schmidt, NEC Laboratories Europe, Germany Alex Sprintson, Texas A&M University, USA John Thomson, OnApp, UK From nobody Wed Jan 11 08:21:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nfvrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nfvrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A921297D6 for ; 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Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:05:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.72.67 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 10:05:02 -0800 (PST) From: Carol Fung Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 13:05:02 -0500 Message-ID: To: nfvrg@irtf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ed258edc19a0545ad34d9 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 08:21:37 -0800 Subject: [Nfvrg] IEEE/IFIP IM 2017 DISSECT (Workshop on Security) - Deadline: Jan. 15th, 2017 X-BeenThere: nfvrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Function Virtualization Research Group \(NFVRG\) discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 18:05:08 -0000 --001a113ed258edc19a0545ad34d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Apologies for cross and multiple postings] ********************************************************************** 3rd IEEE/IFIP International Workshop on Security for Emerging Distributed Network Technologies (DISSECT) http://www.dissect.vcu.edu/2017/ In conjunction with IEEE/IFIP International Symposium on Integrated Network Management (IM 2017) Lisbon, Portugal, 8 or 12 MAY 2017 * Paper Registration: December 15th, 2016 * Paper Submission: December 19th, 2016 ********************************************************************** *** Authors of selected papers will be invited to submit an extended version to a Special Issue of the International Journal on Network Management (http://goo.gl/4tIMhV) *** Emerging open networking technologies and paradigms, such as Software-Defined Networking, Network Function Virtualization, and Programmable Networks, are reshaping the way networks are designed, deployed, and managed. The benefits are manifold, including an unprecedented flexibility for network operation and management, and a favorable environment for delivering innovative network applications and services. However, this paradigm shift brings a multitude of security challenges that have to be addressed in order to provide secure, trustworthy, and privacy-preserving data communication and network services. Addressing these challenges may require not only revisiting existing solutions (e.g., for intrusion detection, privacy preserving, and resilience against attacks), but also designing novel security and resilience schemes tailored to the specific design of open networking technologies and infrastructures. DISSECT 2017 will put focus on security issues and challenges arising with the emergence of novel networking technologies and paradigms, towards a secure and integrated management in the cloud and 5G era. The workshop will shed light on new challenges and present current research on the various security aspects of next-generation networking technologies and service management frameworks. DISSECT will offer a venue for bringing together students, researchers, and professionals from academia and industry sharing common interest on security challenges related to the design and management of the distributed networks and infrastructures. DISSECT is intended to (1) discussing these challenges as well as future trends on security management, (2) present and discuss work-in-progress security-related research on cutting-edge technologies, and (3) strengthening collaboration and research ties among peers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics of Interest: In this workshop, the research community from industry and academia will be invited to contribute with manuscripts describing novel, work-in-progress research on the design of solutions to relevant security issues on a wide variety of next generation networking technologies. The topics of interest of the workshop include, but are not limited to - Secure and resilient design and deployment of open networking technologies - Privacy-preserving solutions - Security models and threats - Security and privacy properties and policies - Verification and enforcement of security properties - Trust and identity management - NFV- based security functions and services - Security of software-defined infrastructures, protocols and interfaces - Threat modeling - Security and availability management - Security for Internet of Things - Intrusion detection, tolerance, and prevention - Network forensics and auditing - Detection and resilience against large-scale distributed attacks - Security of programmable components - Security-related business and legal aspects - Security challenges and trends for open networking technologies - Secure programmable data plane ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Author Instructions: All submitted papers must present original, unpublished research or experiences. Papers under review elsewhere must not be submitted to the workshop. All contributions must be submitted in PDF format via https://submissoes.sbc.org.br/im2017_dissect2017 . Each paper must be limited to 6 pages using IEEE 2-column style and will be subject to a peer-review process. Accepted papers will be published in the IEEE Xplore Digital Library. Any paper not presented in the workshop by one its authors will be withdrawn from IEEE Xplore. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Important Dates: - Paper Registration Deadline: December 15th,2016 - Paper Submission Deadline: December 19th, 2016 - Notification of Acceptance: January 30th, 2017 - Camera-Ready Papers: February 15th, 2017 - Workshop Day: 8 or 12 May 2017 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Workshop Co-Chairs: - Carol Fung, Virginia Commonwealth University, USA - Mohamed Faten Zhani, =C3=89cole de Technologie Sup=C3=A9rieure, Canada - Weverton Cordeiro, UFRGS, Brazil - J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois, Inria Nancy Grand Est, France --001a113ed258edc19a0545ad34d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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            I= mportant Dates:

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Workshop Co-Chairs:

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- Mohamed Fa= ten Zhani, =C3=89cole de Technologie Sup=C3=A9rieure, Canada
- Weverto= n Cordeiro, UFRGS, Brazil
- J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois, Inria Nanc= y Grand Est, France
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The submission deadline of the INFOCOM SWFAN workshop has been extended=20 to January 24. ----------------------------------------------------- 2nd IEEE INFOCOM Workshop on Software-Driven Flexible and Agile=20 Networking (SWFAN 2017) May 1, 2017, Atlanta, GA, USA http://www.swfan.org ----------------------------------------------------- Scope and Topics of Interest ----------------------------------------------------- The NFV/SDN paradigms promote the deployment of Network Functions (NF)=20 as software components into cloud infrastructures, and the identification of relevant=20 abstractions for their configuration, control and management. Such NFs can comprise processing elements in the data plane (e.g., packet inspection, filtering, flow-level monitoring,=20 or access control) as well as control-plane components (e.g., signaling, routing, load balancing,=20 mobility management). This paradigm shift enables new cloud service models, i.e., NF-as-a-service=20 (NFaaS), which can lead to significant operational and technology investment cost savings for=20 service providers. Beyond that, telecom operators can greatly benefit from NFV/SDN, considering the increasing=20 trend to implement mobile communication network functions in software. Software-based networks can= =20 mitigate problems and shortcomings of today=E2=80=99s networks, such as long provisioning times, with wasteful= =20 over-provisioning used to meet variable demand, and reliance on rigid and cost-ineffective hardware=20 devices. Therefore, there is an increasing need for more flexibility and agility that can be attained via the=20 architectural decomposition of network components and network services into elementary, reusable=20 primitives as well as the virtualization of network processing elements. 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Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following: =E2=80=A2 Algorithms and methods for NF placement =E2=80=A2 Dynamic NF state management =E2=80=A2 Service chaining =E2=80=A2 Abstractions and techniques for network service reconfiguration= and=20 scaling =E2=80=A2 Architectures and interfaces for NF configuration and control =E2=80=A2 NF verification, systematic testing, fault management, and protec= tion =E2=80=A2 New models, protocols, and abstractions for flexible and agile= network=20 operations =E2=80=A2 Flexible management, control, and slicing in 5G =E2=80=A2 Programmable data planes =E2=80=A2 Network updates for software-based networks =E2=80=A2 Radio Access Network (RAN) virtualization =E2=80=A2 Mobile Edge Computing =E2=80=A2 Experiences from NFV/SDN deployments in production networks ----------------------------------------------------- Submission Instructions ----------------------------------------------------- Papers should not exceed 6 pages in IEEE format (double-column, 10pt font) and should be submitted via EDAS in PDF (formatted for 8.5x11-inch paper). 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Our sincere apologies if you receive multiple copies of this announcement] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPERS IEEE/IFIP IM 2017 *** Special Track on Autonomic Management *** IFIP/IEEE International Symposium on Integrated Network Management Lisbon, Portugal, 8-12 May 2017 http:/goo.gl/8Hc64L (Paper Submission Date: 24 January 2017) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Programmable and software networks require more than ever management systems with smart, adaptive and effective decisions, recommendations and actuations. Management systems should incorporate autonomic management principles to be able to sense their environment, perceive the changes and react quickly to changing conditions in order to optimize operation and performance, diagnose faults, and protect from threats. Papers for this special session should address the diverse challenges in the development and deployment of autonomic management solutions including, but not limited to: - Self-configuration, self-optimization, self-healing and self-protection in programmable and software-defined networks - Self-optimization for dynamic controllers and virtual network functions placement - Policy-based management, including imperative, declarative (intent), and other paradigms - Learning and reasoning techniques for programmable networks - Data analytics and machine learning for autonomic management - Autonomic based service lifecycle management and orchestration - Autonomic resource allocation and configuration in virtualized infrastructures - Adaptive scheduling in cloud computing environments This special track is supported by the IEEE ComSoc Technical Subcommittee on Autonomic Communications (TCAC). 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            =             CALL FOR= PAPERS

            =             &nb= sp;      

            =             IEEE/IFI= P IM 2017

 

            =   *** Special Track on Autonomic Management ***

 

   IFIP/IEEE International Symposium on Integrated Network Man= agement

            =       Lisb= on, Portugal, 8-12 May 2017

          =             &nb= sp;  http:/goo.gl/8Hc64L

 

          =    (Paper Submissio= n Date: 24 January 2017)

 

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Programmable  and  software  networks  require = more than ever management

systems  with  smart,  adaptive  and effective decis= ions, recommendations

and   actuations.  Management   systems &n= bsp; should   incorporate  autonomic

management principles to be able to sense their environment, perceive th= e

changes  and  react  quickly  to changing conditions= in order to optimize

operation  and  performance,  diagnose  faults, and = protect from threats.

Papers for this special session should address  the diverse challen= ges in

the   development   and  deployment  of&nb= sp; autonomic  management  solutions

including, but not limited to:

 

- Self-configuration, self-optimization, self-healing and self-protectio= n

  in programmable and software-defined networks

- Self-optimization for dynamic controllers and virtual network function= s

  placement

- Policy-based management,  including  imperative,  decla= rative (intent),

  and other paradigms

- Learning   and   reasoning   techniques&= nbsp;  for   programmable   networks

- Data analytics  and  machine learning for autonomic manageme= nt

- Autonomic  based   service   lifecycle &= nbsp; management  and  orchestration

- Autonomic   resource   allocation   and&= nbsp; configuration  in  virtualized

  infrastructures

- Adaptive scheduling in cloud computing environments<= /p>

 

This special track is supported by the IEEE ComSoc Technical Subcommitte= e

on  Autonomic  Communications  (TCAC). More information a= bout TCAC can be

found at http://ac.committees.comsoc.org/

 

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Paper Submission

 

Authors  are  invited to submit original contributions written= in English

that  have  not  been  published  or submitted = for publication elsewhere.

Papers must be  formatted using the IEEE 2-column format and not ex= ceed 8

pages (excluding references). All  papers  should  be&nbs= p; submitted  through

JEMS at https://submissoes.sbc.org.br/home.cgi?c=3D2717

  

All  submitted   papers   will be peer-reviewed= . Accepted  and  presented

papers  will  be  published  in the conference proce= edings and  submitted

to IEEE Xplore. 

  

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Important Dates

 

Paper submission:  Jan. 24, 2017

Author notification: Feb. 15, 2017

Final paper due: March 1, 2017

Conference date: May 8-12, 2017

 

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Special Track Co-Chairs

 

Imen Grida Ben Yahia (Orange Labs, France)

Noura Limam (University of Waterloo, Canada)

Mohamed Faten Zhani (=C9cole de Technologie Sup=E9rieure, Ca= nada)

 

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The benefits are manifold, including an unprecedented flexibility for network operation and management, and a favorable environment for delivering innovative network applications and services. However, this paradigm shift brings a multitude of security challenges that have to be addressed in order to provide secure, trustworthy, and privacy-preserving data communication and network services. Addressing these challenges may require not only revisiting existing solutions (e.g., for intrusion detection, privacy preserving, and resilience against attacks), but also designing novel security and resilience schemes tailored to the specific design of open networking technologies and infrastructures. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics of Interest: This special issue of the International Journal of Network Management aims to put focus on the state-of-the-art advances, contributions and solutions to security-related challenges arising with emergent open networking technologies. We seek new and unpublished contributions addressing issues in the Security for Emerging Open Network Technologies including, but not limited to: - Secure and resilient design and deployment of open networking technologies - Privacy-preserving solutions - Security models and threats - Security and privacy properties and policies - Verification and enforcement of security properties - Trust and identity management - NFV-based security functions and services - Security of software-defined infrastructures, protocols and interfaces - Security and availability management - Security for Internet of Things - Intrusion detection, tolerance, and prevention - Network forensics and auditing - Detection and resilience against large-scale distributed attacks - Security of programmable components - Security-related business and legal aspects - Security challenges and trends for open networking technologies ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Important Dates: - Submission Deadline: March 1st, 2017 - Author Notification: May 15th, 2017 - Revision Deadline: July 1st, 2017 - Final Decision: August 1st, 2017 - Camera Ready: August 15th, 2017 - Publication: September 1st, 201 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Guest Editors: - Carol Fung, Virginia Commonwealth University, USA - Mohamed Faten Zhani, École de Technologie Supérieure, Canada - Weverton Cordeiro, UFRGS, Brazil - Jérôme François, Inria Nancy Grand Est, France ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Author Instructions: Authors must submit their papers in PDF format to http://mc.manuscriptcentral.com/nem Submissions should not exceed 20 pages (double-space). Author instructions are available at: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1002/(ISSN)1099-1190/homepage/ForAuthors.html The LaTeX template can be found at: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1002/(ISSN)1099-1190/homepage/latex_class_file.htm All submissions will be peer-reviewed. In case of acceptance, the camera-ready version has to take into account reviewers’ comments and must follow the template’s requirements. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Apologies if you got multiple copies of this email] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Call for Papers =3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D CrossCloud'17 The 4th Workshop on CrossCloud Infrastructures & Platforms http://bit.ly/CrossCloud Belgrade, Serbia April 23, 2017 Collocated with European Conference on Computer Systems (EuroSys'17) (Extended Submission deadline: February 14th, 2017) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D SCOPE CrossCloud is an international workshop series that aims to bring to light several issues related to cross-cloud systems: cloud federation, multi-cloud architectures, cross-cloud applications, and hybrid clouds. CrossCloud aims to attract researchers from both academia and industry to share and discuss their recent research and experiences in designing and operating multiple cloud systems. Work in this area extends over various topics including cross-cloud resource management, monitoring, service migration, API interoperability, portability, policy enforcement, benefit=E2=80=93cost analysis, and fault mitigation. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D TOPICS OF INTERESTS Authors are invited to submit papers covering, but not limited to, the following topics: - Cross-cloud systems: resource management across multiple clouds (e.g., load balancing, performance optimization, security and privacy policy enforcement). - Containers and Virtual Machine (VM) management across several cloud infrastructures (e.g., VM placement and migration). - Fog/edge computing: fog-based infrastructures, caching, performance and services. - Micro-services: system design, monitoring and management using containers and/or microkernels to achieve cloud provider independence. - Cross-Cloud agility: dynamic application deployment across multiple cloud platforms, flexibility in moving between different providers and vendors. - Hybrid cloud infrastructures management: public and private clouds, heterogeneous cloud systems, cloud and cluster/grid systems. - Cloud-bursting: workload offloading, multi-cloud resource scheduling strategies. - Cross-cloud SDKs and APIs: design, maintenance, support and performance evaluation. - Application portability: priorities, restrictions, and lock-in mitigation techniques and measures. - API interoperability: study cases and experiences with data and applications. - Interoperability between managed services (e.g., MapReduce, DB, message queues, etc.). - Decision support systems: efficient and open application deployment and monitoring across different cloud platforms and providers, cloud brokerage as a means of complexity outsourcing. - Scalable multi-cloud monitoring: monitoring among different cloud environments, relevant metrics at the different levels of the stack (e.g., network access), monitoring overhead analysis. - Experiences: assembling and (re)deploying in heterogeneous multi- cloud environments, costs and benefits of cross-cloud management and deployment, challenges in existing cross-cloud platforms, case studies on building or federating multi-cloud systems. - Cross-Cloud security: identity and access management across infrastructure boundaries, reconciling application security and privacy requirements across multiple SLAs. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D IMPORTANT DATES Paper submission: February 14, 2017 (extended deadline) Author notification: February 28, 2017 Camera-ready version: March 31, 2017 All deadline times are Anywhere on Earth. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D SUBMISSION GUIDELINE We solicit two types of submissions: (1) technical papers (max 6 double-column pages), and (2) posters (max 2 double-column pages). Each submission will receive at least 3 single-blind peer reviews. Authors of technical papers are also encouraged to prepare a poster to be displayed in the workshop's poster sessions. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D JOURNAL SPECIAL ISSUE Like in the former editions of the workshop, authors of the best technical papers will be invited to submit an extended version of their work to the Springer Open Journal of Internet Services and Applications thematic series on cross-cloud computing (JISA-CCC). =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ORGANIZATION General and Technical Program Co-Chairs: Yehia Elkhatib (Lancaster University, UK) Mohamed Faten Zhani (=C3=89cole de Technologie Sup=C3=A9rieure, Canada) Steering Committee: Gordon S. Blair (Lancaster University, UK) Raouf Boutaba (University of Waterloo, Canada) Publicity Co-chairs: Michele Nogueira (Federal University of Parana, Brazil) Walter Cerroni (University of Bologna, Italy) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D CONTACT CrossCloudRsrch@gmail.com http://bit.ly/CrossCloud --001a1143e4ce3a13be054753d82c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D Call for Pap= ers =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

CrossCloud'17<= span>
The 4th Workshop on CrossCloud Infrastructures & Platforms
http://bit.ly/CrossCloud
Be= lgrade, Serbia
April 23, 2017
Collocated with European Conference on Computer Systems (EuroS= ys'17)

(Extended Submiss= ion deadline: February 14th, 2017)
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SCOPE
CrossCloud is=C2=A0 an=C2=A0 international workshop series that aims = to bring to
light=C2=A0 several issues related to cross-cloud systems: c= loud federation,
multi-cloud architectures, cross-cloud applications, an= d hybrid clouds.

CrossCloud aims to attract researchers from=C2=A0 b= oth academia and industry
to share and discuss their recent research and= experiences in designing
and=C2=A0 operating=C2=A0=C2=A0 multiple=C2=A0= cloud=C2=A0=C2=A0 systems. Work=C2=A0 in=C2=A0 this area extends
over= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 various=C2=A0 topics=C2=A0 including=C2=A0 cross-cloud= =C2=A0=C2=A0 resource=C2=A0 management,
monitoring,=C2=A0 service=C2=A0= =C2=A0 migration,=C2=A0 API=C2=A0 interoperability,=C2=A0 portability,
p= olicy enforcement, benefit=E2=80=93cost analysis, and fault mitigation.
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TOPICS OF INTERESTS

Authors=C2=A0 are=C2=A0 invited=C2=A0 to= =C2=A0 submit=C2=A0 papers covering, but not limited to,
the following = topics:

- Cross-cloud=C2=A0 systems:=C2=A0 resource=C2=A0 managemen= t=C2=A0 across=C2=A0 multiple=C2=A0 clouds
(e.g., load balancing,=C2=A0 = performance=C2=A0 optimization, security and privacy
policy enforcement)= .
- Containers and Virtual Machine (VM) management across=C2=A0 several= =C2=A0 cloud
infrastructures (e.g., VM placement and migration).
- Fo= g/edge computing: fog-based infrastructures,=C2=A0 caching,=C2=A0 performan= ce
and services.
- Micro-services:=C2=A0 system=C2=A0 design,=C2=A0= =C2=A0 monitoring=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 management=C2=A0 using
=C2=A0container= s and/or microkernels to achieve cloud provider independence.
- Cross-Cl= oud agility: dynamic=C2=A0 application deployment across=C2=A0 multiple
= cloud=C2=A0 platforms,=C2=A0 flexibility=C2=A0 in=C2=A0 moving=C2=A0 betwee= n different providers
and vendors.
- Hybrid cloud infrastructures ma= nagement: public=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 private clouds,
heterogeneous cloud sys= tems, cloud and cluster/grid systems.
- Cloud-bursting: workload offload= ing, multi-cloud resource=C2=A0 scheduling
strategies.
- Cross-cloud= =C2=A0 SDKs=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 APIs:=C2=A0 design,=C2=A0=C2=A0 maintenance,=C2= =A0=C2=A0 support=C2=A0=C2=A0 and
performance evaluation.
- Applicati= on=C2=A0 portability:=C2=A0 priorities,=C2=A0 restrictions,=C2=A0 and=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 lock-in
mitigation techniques and measures.
- API intero= perability:=C2=A0 study=C2=A0 cases=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 experiences=C2=A0 with= =C2=A0 data and
applications.
- Interoperability=C2=A0 between=C2=A0= =C2=A0 managed=C2=A0 services (e.g.,=C2=A0 MapReduce,=C2=A0 DB,
message = queues, etc.).
- Decision support systems: efficient=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 ope= n application deployment
and monitoring across different cloud platforms= =C2=A0 and=C2=A0 providers,=C2=A0 cloud
brokerage as a means of complexi= ty outsourcing.
- Scalable multi-cloud=C2=A0 monitoring: monitoring=C2= =A0 among=C2=A0 different=C2=A0 cloud
environments,=C2=A0 relevant=C2=A0= metrics=C2=A0 at=C2=A0 the different levels of the stack
(e.g., network= access), monitoring overhead analysis.
- Experiences:=C2=A0 assembling= =C2=A0 and=C2=A0 (re)deploying=C2=A0 in heterogeneous multi-
cloud=C2=A0= environments,=C2=A0 costs=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 benefits=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 cross-cl= oud=C2=A0 management
and=C2=A0 deployment,=C2=A0 challenges=C2=A0 in=C2= =A0 existing=C2=A0 cross-cloud platforms, case
studies on building or fe= derating multi-cloud systems.
- Cross-Cloud security:=C2=A0 identity=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and=C2=A0=C2=A0 access=C2=A0=C2=A0 management=C2=A0=C2=A0 a= cross
infrastructure boundaries, reconciling application security and pr= ivacy
requirements across multiple SLAs.

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IMPORTANT DATES

Paper submission:=C2=A0February 14, 2017 (extended dead= line)=C2=A0
Author notification: February= 28, 2017
Camera-ready version: March 31,= 2017
=C2=A0
All deadline times are Anywhere on Earth.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
SUBMISSION GUIDELINE

We=C2=A0 solicit=C2=A0 two=C2=A0 type= s=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 submissions:=C2=A0 (1)=C2=A0 technical=C2=A0 papers=C2=A0 = (max
6 double-column pages), and (2) posters (max=C2=A0 2=C2=A0 double-c= olumn=C2=A0 pages).
Each=C2=A0 submission=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 receive=C2=A0= at=C2=A0 least 3 single-blind peer reviews.
Authors=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 tech= nical=C2=A0 papers are also encouraged to prepare a=C2=A0 poster
to be d= isplayed in the workshop's poster sessions.

=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
JOURNAL SPECIAL I= SSUE

Like in=C2=A0 the former=C2=A0 editions=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 the work= shop, authors=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 best
technical papers will be inv= ited to submit an extended version of their
work to the Springer Open Jo= urnal of Internet Services and Applications
thematic series on cross-clo= ud computing (JISA-CCC).

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
ORGANIZATION

General and Technical Pr= ogram Co-Chairs:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yehia Elkhatib (Lancaster University= , UK)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mohamed Faten Zhani (=C3=89cole de Technologie = Sup=C3=A9rieure, Canada)

Steering Committee:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G= ordon S. Blair (Lancaster University, UK)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Raouf Bouta= ba (University of Waterloo, Canada)

Publicity Co-chairs:
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Michele Nogueira (Federal University of Parana, Brazil)
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Walter Cerroni (University of Bologna, Italy)

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CONTACT

CrossCloudRsrch@gmail.com

http://bit.ly/CrossCloud=












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boundary="_000_AM4PR0101MB20995DE64E4C9DECF2F5A85DE34B0AM4PR0101MB2099_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: derby.ac.uk X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 30 Jan 2017 15:43:45.2307 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 98f1bb3a-5efa-4782-88ba-bd897db60e62 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM4PR0101MB2098 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:46:21 -0800 Subject: [Nfvrg] Second IEEE International Workshop on Security in NFV-SDN (SNS2017) X-BeenThere: nfvrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Function Virtualization Research Group \(NFVRG\) discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:43:53 -0000 --_000_AM4PR0101MB20995DE64E4C9DECF2F5A85DE34B0AM4PR0101MB2099_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Call for Papers Second IEEE International Workshop on Security in NFV-SDN (S= NS2017) (website: http://sns2017.eu/) in conjunction with the 3rd IEEE Conference on Network Softw= arization (NetSoft 2017) July 3-7, 2017 Bologna, Italy Scope Network Function Virtualization (NFV) and Software Defined Network (SDN) te= chnologies are radically changing telecommunication networks. NFV virtualizes network services to re= duce the dependency on underlying hardware which aids resource management, provides faster service= enablement and lowers OPEX and CAPEX. SDN separates the control functions from the underlying physical= network by decoupling the control and data planes thereby offering improved programmability, ease of = deployment, management, reduced costs, better scalability, availability, flexibility and fine-grain= control of traffic. But how does this widespread adoption of NVF-SDN impact on network security, especially with = an increased attack surface implied by virtualization? In this workshop, we invite high-quality submiss= ions in the areas of NFV and SDN security and related areas. Submitted papers should highlight methods and a= pproaches that can be used to analyse the security risks, requirements and techniques related to NFV and = SDN and to provide methods and approaches to assure security and mitigate threats in NFV and SDN. Topics of interest Topics of interest include but are not limited to the following areas: * Security threats and vulnerabilities introduced by NFV and SDN technologi= es * Management and orchestration of NFV and SDN elements for security * Security, reliability and privacy through SDN and NFV in 5G networks * Threat detection and mitigation through SDN and NFV * Security policy specification and management in SDN and NFV systems * Security related monitoring and analytics in SDN and NFV solutions * 5G security architecture, trust and confidence * Authentication, Authorization and Accounting in SDN * Security of applying SDN to wireless and mobile network * Security of applying NFV and SDN to IoT * Security of applying NFV and SDN to cloud computing * Risk and compliance issues in SDN * Security architectures for SDN * Security standards for SDN * Security of SDN data plane * Security of SDN control plane * Security of SDN application plane * Security of routing in SDN * Security as a service for SDN Important Dates * Paper Submission: March 10, 2017 * Notification of Acceptance: April 18, 2017 * Camera Ready: May 3, 2017 Paper Submission Guideline The manuscripts must be prepared in English, following IEEE two-column Manu= script Templates (http://www.ieee.org/conferences_events/conferences/publishing/templates.ht= ml) for Conference Proceedings with a maximum length of six (6) printed pages for full papers = and up to four (4) pages for short papers (work in progress), including figures. All papers need to be submitt= ed in PDF format via JEMS at https://submissoes.sbc.org.br/home.cgi?c=3D2763. All submitted papers will = be peer-reviewed. To be published in the Workshop Proceedings and to be eligible for publication in= IEEE Xplore, at least one author of an accepted paper is required to register and present the paper at the work= shop. The IEEE reserves the right to exclude a paper from distribution after the conference (including its remov= al from IEEE Explore) if the paper is not presented at the conference. Papers are reviewed on the basis that they= do not contain plagiarized material and have not been submitted to any other conference at the same ti= me (double submission). These matters are taken very seriously and the IEEE Communications Society will t= ake action against any author who engages in either practice. Workshop Co-Chairs * Dr. Shao Ying Zhu, University of Derby, UK * Linas Maknavicius, Nokia Bell Labs, France * Eleni Trouva, NCSR Demokritos, Greece * Dr. Colin Allison, University of St Andrews, UK * Dr. George Gardikis, Space Hellas, Greece Technical Program Committee * Michail-Alexandros Kourtis - NCSR Demokritos, Greece * Gergely Bicz=F3k - Budapest Univ. of Technology and Economics, Hungary * Roberto Bifulco - NEC Labs Europe, Germany * Carolina Canales - Ericsson, Spain * Walter Cerroni, University of Bologna * Augusto Ciuffoletti - University of Pisa, Italy * Miguel Angel Garcia - Ericsson, Spain * Ludovic Jacquin - Hewlett Packard Labs, UK * Harilaos Koumaras - NCSR Demokritos, Greece * Jianxin Li-Beihang University, China * Antonios Litke - Infili Information Intelligence Ltd, Greece * Diego Lopez, Telefonica, Spain * Alan Miller - University of St Andrews, UK * Nikolaos Papadakis - Infili Information Intelligence Ltd, Greece * Yacine Rebahi, Fraunhofer Institute for Open Communication Systems FOKUS,= Germany * Sandra Scott-Hayward - Queen's University Belfast, UK * Muhammad Shuaib Siddiqui - i2CAT, Spain * George Xilouris - NCSR Demokritos, Greece * Yacine Rebahi, Fraunhofer Institute for Open Communication Systems FOKUS,= Germany Contact Shao Ying Zhu The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves= the right to monitor email traffic. 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        &nbs= p;      Second= IEEE International Workshop on Security in NFV-SDN (SNS2017)

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        &nbs= p;      in conjunction with the 3rd IEEE Conferenc= e on Network Softwarization (NetSoft 2017)

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;           July 3-7, 20= 17 Bologna, Italy

 

Scope=

 

Network Function Virtualization (NFV) and Software D= efined Network (SDN) technologies are radically

changing telecommunication networks. NFV virtualizes= network services to reduce the dependency on

underlying hardware which aids resource management, = provides faster service enablement and lowers OPEX

and CAPEX. SDN separates the control functions from = the underlying physical network by decoupling the

control and data planes thereby offering improved pr= ogrammability, ease of deployment, management,

reduced costs, better scalability, availability, fle= xibility and fine-grain control of traffic. But how does this

widespread adoption of NVF-SDN impact on network sec= urity, especially with an increased attack surface

implied by virtualization? In this workshop, we invi= te high-quality submissions in the areas of NFV and SDN

security and related areas. Submitted papers should = highlight methods and approaches that can be used to

analyse the security risks, requirements and techniq= ues related to NFV and SDN and to provide methods and

approaches to assure security and mitigate threats i= n NFV and SDN.

 

Topics of intere= st

 

Topics of interest include but are not limited to th= e following areas:

* Security threats and vulnerabilities introduced by= NFV and SDN technologies

* Management and orchestration of NFV and SDN elemen= ts for security

* Security, reliability and privacy through SDN and = NFV in 5G networks

* Threat detection and mitigation through SDN and NF= V

* Security policy specification and management in SD= N and NFV systems

* Security related monitoring and analytics in SDN a= nd NFV solutions

* 5G security architecture, trust and confidence

* Authentication, Authorization and Accounting in SD= N

* Security of applying SDN to wireless and mobile ne= twork

* Security of applying NFV and SDN to IoT=

* Security of applying NFV and SDN to cloud computin= g

* Risk and compliance issues in SDN

* Security architectures for SDN

* Security standards for SDN

* Security of SDN data plane

* Security of SDN control plane

* Security of SDN application plane

* Security of routing in SDN

* Security as a service for SDN

 

Important Dates<= o:p>

 

* Paper Submission: March 10, 2017

* Notification of Acceptance: April 18, 2017

* Camera Ready: May 3, 2017

 

Paper Submission= Guideline

 

The manuscripts must be prepared in English, followi= ng IEEE two-column Manuscript Templates

(http://www.ieee.org/conferences_events/conferences/= publishing/templates.html) for Conference

Proceedings with a maximum length of six (6) printed= pages for full papers and up to four (4) pages for short

papers (work in progress), including figures. All pa= pers need to be submitted in PDF format via JEMS at

https://submissoes.sbc.org.br/home.cgi?c=3D2763. All= submitted papers will be peer-reviewed. To be

published in the Workshop Proceedings and to be elig= ible for publication in IEEE Xplore, at least one author of

an accepted paper is required to register and presen= t the paper at the workshop. The IEEE reserves the right to

exclude a paper from distribution after the conferen= ce (including its removal from IEEE Explore) if the paper is

not presented at the conference. Papers are reviewed= on the basis that they do not contain plagiarized

material and have not been submitted to any other co= nference at the same time (double submission). These

matters are taken very seriously and the IEEE Commun= ications Society will take action against any author who

engages in either practice.

 

Workshop Co-Chai= rs

 

* Dr. Shao Ying Zhu, University of Derby, UK

* Linas Maknavicius, Nokia Bell Labs, France

* Eleni Trouva, NCSR Demokritos, Greece

* Dr. Colin Allison, University of St Andrews, UK

* Dr. George Gardikis, Space Hellas, Greece

 

Technical Progra= m Committee

 

* Michail-Alexandros Kourtis - NCSR Demokritos, Gree= ce

* Gergely Bicz=F3k - Budapest Univ. of Technology an= d Economics, Hungary

* Roberto Bifulco - NEC Labs Europe, Germany

* Carolina Canales - Ericsson, Spain

* Walter Cerroni, University of Bologna

* Augusto Ciuffoletti - University of Pisa, Italy

* Miguel Angel Garcia - Ericsson, Spain

* Ludovic Jacquin - Hewlett Packard Labs, UK

* Harilaos Koumaras - NCSR Demokritos, Greece

* Jianxin Li-Beihang University, China

* Antonios Litke - Infili Information Intelligence L= td, Greece

* Diego Lopez, Telefonica, Spain

* Alan Miller - University of St Andrews, UK

* Nikolaos Papadakis - Infili Information Intelligen= ce Ltd, Greece

* Yacine Rebahi, Fraunhofer Institute for Open Commu= nication Systems FOKUS, Germany

* Sandra Scott-Hayward - Queen's University Belfast,= UK

* Muhammad Shuaib Siddiqui - i2CAT, Spain=

* George Xilouris - NCSR Demokritos, Greece

* Yacine Rebahi, Fraunhofer Institute for Open Commu= nication Systems FOKUS, Germany

 

Contact

 

Shao Ying Zhu <s.y.zhu@derby.ac.uk>=



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