Subject: [nmrg] OPS and Management meetings in Prague
From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>, "MIB Doctors" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:25:55 +0200
List-Id: Network Management Research Group <nmrg.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de>

In order to encourage new ideas and input from the operators and
management community we (David and Dan) are thinking about allocating
two time slots at the Prague IETF that are supposed to be specifically
used to discuss new ideas and other topics, including complete bof
proposals that are of interest for the Ops and management area. At the
same time, because there is a time limit, it allows us to prioritize
work so that we can keep the area focused on the X most important issues
that fit within the allocated time. The idea is that we are often not
allowing enough discussion that helps to think about the future as
opposed to being constrained to the narrower topics as defined in our
working group charters.

The floor for proposals is already open. The sooner, the better. 

Note that a joint meeting of the area is planned together with the NMRG,
to report on the recent Utrecht workshop of NMRG and bring in new
proposals from the research community. Based upon the number of requests
for BOF slots this meeting could be scheduled in a separate third slot. 

We are planning to ask for late-in-the week slots (Wednesday, Thursday),
and even Friday morning may not be excluded. Please plan your trips
accordingly. 

David and Dan

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Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:34:28 +0200
From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, "Eliot Lear" <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]

My initial thoughts were for one joint meeting, during the IETF week, 2
or 2.5 hours. The added value of such a meeting would be in the
participation of the OPS area IETF community and the dialog that we hope
to ignite between nmrg and OPS . 

As Juergen says, this is the phase of brainstorming, other ideas and
suggestions are welcome. 

Dan

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:[email-masked]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:36 PM
> To: Eliot Lear
> Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
> 
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 01:23:48PM -0800, Eliot Lear wrote:
> > Dan,
> > 
> > If there is to be a joint meeting at the Prague IETF, what 
> length are 
> > we talking about?  Two hours or two days?
> 
> I am not sure what Dan's ideas are, but we could have a joint 
> session in a normal IETF meeting slot (say two hours) where 
> we provide an overview and initiate interaction followed by a 
> longer NMRG meeting scheduled for say Friday where we would 
> have more time to dive into details.
> 
> In general, I think ideas and suggestions are more than 
> welcome at this stage of the planning.
> 
> /js
> 
> -- 
> Juergen Schoenwaelder		 International University Bremen
> 				 (Jacobs University Bremen as 
> of Spring 2007)
> <http://www.eecs.iu-bremen.de/>	 P.O. Box 750 561, 
> 28725 Bremen, Germany
> 

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Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:02:18 -0800
From: "Petre Dini \(pdini\)" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, "Eliot Lear" <[email-masked]>, "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]

Jurgen,

Let us have a call first to see how many will be willing to present.
I presume that 1/2 day can be useful, as there is a context setting too.

I estimate that only for the Utrecht and post-Utrecht discussions we
need 2 hours. 

I agree that we should know a little in advance how many will intent to
present their research.

-- Petre

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM
To: Eliot Lear
Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague

On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 01:23:48PM -0800, Eliot Lear wrote:
> Dan,
> 
> If there is to be a joint meeting at the Prague IETF, what length are 
> we talking about?  Two hours or two days?

I am not sure what Dan's ideas are, but we could have a joint session in
a normal IETF meeting slot (say two hours) where we provide an overview
and initiate interaction followed by a longer NMRG meeting scheduled for
say Friday where we would have more time to dive into details.

In general, I think ideas and suggestions are more than welcome at this
stage of the planning.

/js

-- 
Juergen Schoenwaelder		 International University Bremen
				 (Jacobs University Bremen as of Spring
2007)
<http://www.eecs.iu-bremen.de/>	 P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:35:50 +0100
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <[email-masked]>
To: Eliot Lear <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
Mail-Followup-To: Eliot Lear <[email-masked]>, "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <[email-masked]>, [email-masked], [email-masked]
Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>, [email-masked], [email-masked]
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On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 01:23:48PM -0800, Eliot Lear wrote:
> Dan,
> 
> If there is to be a joint meeting at the Prague IETF, what length are we 
> talking about?  Two hours or two days?

I am not sure what Dan's ideas are, but we could have a joint session
in a normal IETF meeting slot (say two hours) where we provide an
overview and initiate interaction followed by a longer NMRG meeting
scheduled for say Friday where we would have more time to dive into
details.

In general, I think ideas and suggestions are more than welcome at
this stage of the planning.

/js

-- 
Juergen Schoenwaelder		 International University Bremen
				 (Jacobs University Bremen as of Spring 2007)
<http://www.eecs.iu-bremen.de/>	 P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:23:48 -0800
From: Eliot Lear <[email-masked]>
To: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked]

Dan,

If there is to be a joint meeting at the Prague IETF, what length are we 
talking about?  Two hours or two days?

Eliot

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Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:13:35 -0800
From: "Petre Dini \(pdini\)" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>
Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>, [email-masked], [email-masked]

Jurgen,

This is good start.
Please share it timely to have appropriate input and time to polish it
then.
:) yes, winter holidays seem appropriate.

-- petre

-----Original Message-----
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:28 AM
To: Petre Dini (pdini)
Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague

On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 08:23:24PM -0800, Petre Dini (pdini) wrote:
 
> I can be one of them; we need 3-4 volunteers working during the winter

> holidays. I think that Jurgen can take the lead on a draft.

I started to work on a structure in order to organize things but it is
likely that most of the writing will not be done before the winter
holidays.

But yes, we should have a reasonably structured document well before the
Prague IETF meeting.

/js

-- 
Juergen Schoenwaelder		 International University Bremen
				 (Jacobs University Bremen as of Spring
2007)
<http://www.eecs.iu-bremen.de/>	 P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:28:25 +0100
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <[email-masked]>
To: "Petre Dini (pdini)" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
Mail-Followup-To: "Petre Dini (pdini)" <[email-masked]>, "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <[email-masked]>, [email-masked], [email-masked]
Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>, [email-masked], [email-masked]
Reply-To: [email-masked]

On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 08:23:24PM -0800, Petre Dini (pdini) wrote:
 
> I can be one of them; we need 3-4 volunteers working during the winter
> holidays. I think that Jurgen can take the lead on a draft.

I started to work on a structure in order to organize things but it is
likely that most of the writing will not be done before the winter
holidays.

But yes, we should have a reasonably structured document well before
the Prague IETF meeting.

/js

-- 
Juergen Schoenwaelder		 International University Bremen
				 (Jacobs University Bremen as of Spring 2007)
<http://www.eecs.iu-bremen.de/>	 P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany

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Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:23:24 -0800
From: "Petre Dini \(pdini\)" <[email-masked]>
To: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Cc: 

Dan,

Thanks! I got it now.

I can be one of them; we need 3-4 volunteers working during the winter
holidays. I think that Jurgen can take the lead on a draft.

Note that I chaired a panel in DSOM 2006 [post-Utrecht] on the same
topics; therefore, on the research side, things got reacher, in terms of
perspective, achievements, open issues, challenges. We can complement
our discussions in Utrecht with aspects discussed in the panel as well. 

Best,
-- Petre

-----Original Message-----
From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:41 PM
To: Petre Dini (pdini); [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague

Thanks Petre. I was not clear, by 'new work in the area' I had in mind
the OPS area in the IETF. I know that there is a lot of interesting work
going in research, I believe that it would be useful to raise the
awareness the OPS and management community about part of it and see how
those could be used to meet some of the operational needs in the
Internet. 

Sure, we shall be preparing that document we talked about in Utrecht and
have it ready before Prague. I would be glad to contribute to it with
the perspective of the IETF OPS area, is there any volunteer to hold the
pen? 

Dan

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Petre Dini (pdini) [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:35 AM
> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Cc: Petre Dini (pdini)
> Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
> 
> Dan, Juergen, all,
> 
> As an output of our Utrecht meeting, it was question that a document 
> will be edited, with our common contributions, and publicized.
> Definitively, I see this document could be the basis for the OPS/NMRG 
> meeting in Prague; I plan to attend it. So, I urge we settle something

> to finalize it.
> 
> Not sure on the last statement; post-Uthrecht it was the ManWeek 
> conference [Dublin], where a large spectrum of detailed on progress 
> work was presented. I can report that, in general, the topics turned 
> around the same topics we discussed in Uthrect.
> 
> :) actually, Jurgen, Olivier, Rolf, Petre, Danny, et al were present 
> too in Dublin.
> Petre
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked]
> [mailto:[email-masked]]
> On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:18 PM
> To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
> 
> 
> Juergen and myself would like to capitalize on the work done in nmrg 
> and the two-days workshop of NMRG recently hold in Utrecht. We suggest

> that we hold a joint meeting of the OPS area and NMRG at ietf-68 in 
> Prague.
> We intent to encourage the participation of researchers in the field 
> of network management in order to present their work and proposals, 
> and explain some of the concepts that they are working at which are 
> less known in the broader OPS and Management community. The goal is to

> summarize what came out of the Utrecht meeting and explain using a few

> examples where research is heading, seek feedback and discuss ways to 
> ignite new work in the area.
>  
> Dan
> 
> 
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Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:40:45 +0200
From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>
To: "Petre Dini \(pdini\)" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Cc: 

Thanks Petre. I was not clear, by 'new work in the area' I had in mind
the OPS area in the IETF. I know that there is a lot of interesting work
going in research, I believe that it would be useful to raise the
awareness the OPS and management community about part of it and see how
those could be used to meet some of the operational needs in the
Internet. 

Sure, we shall be preparing that document we talked about in Utrecht and
have it ready before Prague. I would be glad to contribute to it with
the perspective of the IETF OPS area, is there any volunteer to hold the
pen? 

Dan

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Petre Dini (pdini) [mailto:[email-masked]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:35 AM
> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Cc: Petre Dini (pdini)
> Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
> 
> Dan, Juergen, all,
> 
> As an output of our Utrecht meeting, it was question that a 
> document will be edited, with our common contributions, and 
> publicized.
> Definitively, I see this document could be the basis for the 
> OPS/NMRG meeting in Prague; I plan to attend it. So, I urge 
> we settle something to finalize it. 
> 
> Not sure on the last statement; post-Uthrecht it was the 
> ManWeek conference [Dublin], where a large spectrum of 
> detailed on progress work was presented. I can report that, 
> in general, the topics turned around the same topics we 
> discussed in Uthrect. 
> 
> :) actually, Jurgen, Olivier, Rolf, Petre, Danny, et al were 
> present too in Dublin.
> Petre
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] 
> [mailto:[email-masked]]
> On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:18 PM
> To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
> 
> 
> Juergen and myself would like to capitalize on the work done 
> in nmrg and the two-days workshop of NMRG recently hold in 
> Utrecht. We suggest that we hold a joint meeting of the OPS 
> area and NMRG at ietf-68 in Prague.
> We intent to encourage the participation of researchers in 
> the field of network management in order to present their 
> work and proposals, and explain some of the concepts that 
> they are working at which are less known in the broader OPS 
> and Management community. The goal is to summarize what came 
> out of the Utrecht meeting and explain using a few examples 
> where research is heading, seek feedback and discuss ways to 
> ignite new work in the area. 
>  
> Dan
> 
> 
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Subject: RE: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:34:49 -0800
From: "Petre Dini \(pdini\)" <[email-masked]>
To: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Cc: 

Dan, Juergen, all,

As an output of our Utrecht meeting, it was question that a document
will be edited, with our common contributions, and publicized.
Definitively, I see this document could be the basis for the OPS/NMRG
meeting in Prague; I plan to attend it. So, I urge we settle something
to finalize it. 

Not sure on the last statement; post-Uthrecht it was the ManWeek
conference [Dublin], where a large spectrum of detailed on progress work
was presented. I can report that, in general, the topics turned around
the same topics we discussed in Uthrect. 

:) actually, Jurgen, Olivier, Rolf, Petre, Danny, et al were present too
in Dublin.
Petre

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]
On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:18 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague

Juergen and myself would like to capitalize on the work done in nmrg and
the two-days workshop of NMRG recently hold in Utrecht. We suggest that
we hold a joint meeting of the OPS area and NMRG at ietf-68 in Prague.
We intent to encourage the participation of researchers in the field of
network management in order to present their work and proposals, and
explain some of the concepts that they are working at which are less
known in the broader OPS and Management community. The goal is to
summarize what came out of the Utrecht meeting and explain using a few
examples where research is heading, seek feedback and discuss ways to
ignite new work in the area. 
 
Dan

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:17:45 +0200
From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Cc: 
Subject: [nmrg] Looking ahead to Prague

Juergen and myself would like to capitalize on the work done in nmrg and
the two-days workshop of NMRG recently hold in Utrecht. We suggest that
we hold a joint meeting of the OPS area and NMRG at ietf-68 in Prague.
We intent to encourage the participation of researchers in the field of
network management in order to present their work and proposals, and
explain some of the concepts that they are working at which are less
known in the broader OPS and Management community. The goal is to
summarize what came out of the Utrecht meeting and explain using a few
examples where research is heading, seek feedback and discuss ways to
ignite new work in the area. 
 
Dan

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Subject: RE: [nmrg] draft utrecht meeting minutes
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:46:17 +0200
From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <[email-masked]>
To: <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Cc: 

Looks good to me. I did not identify any major miss or discordance. 

Dan

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email-masked] 
> [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Juergen 
> Schoenwaelder
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:43 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [nmrg] draft utrecht meeting minutes
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have compiled the draft minutes of the Utrecht meeting and 
> put the online:
> 
>   http://www.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/projects/nmrg/minutes/minutes-021.txt
> 
> Please check the minutes and send me any corrections you find 
> important by November 10th. The minutes are rather detailed 
> and we clearly need to work through them to turn them into a 
> more readable summary.
> 
> /js
> 
> -- 
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> <http://www.eecs.iu-bremen.de/>	    P.O. Box 750 561, 
> 28725 Bremen, Germany
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