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Dear all,

the full recording (synchronized video, audio, slides and jabber room) of the 
NSC WG session at IETF 87 is available at the following URL:
http://ietf87.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Recorded_Sessions#NSC

For the chair(s): please feel free to put the link to the recording in the minutes,
if you think this might be useful.

Cheers,
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Many thanks Carlos,

Could the NSC chairs try to get these *draft* minutes posted ASAP.

Thanks,
Adrian

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> Hi, 
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> Please find the minutes from today's NSC BOF meeting attached. Comments and
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> Thanks,
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> -- Carlos.



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Done .. And many thanks Carlos for an excellent job!

On 8/1/13 10:16 AM, "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:

>Many thanks Carlos,
>
>Could the NSC chairs try to get these *draft* minutes posted ASAP.
>
>Thanks,
>Adrian
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Through the discussions with people from different background at various fo=
rums/conferences and the NSC BoF, I have heard different interpretations of=
 Service Chain:

*        Some people, especially from router/switch vendor background, may =
think Service chain as traffic steering based on something that is NOT the =
packets Layer 2-3 header. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7 fields based traffic s=
teering.

*        Some people, especially from Network Appliance background, may thi=
nk of Service Chain as "Middle Boxes" being overplayed over existing networ=
k infrastructure.

*        Application developers may think of "Service Chain" as connecting =
various application instances together, such as "Web Server' to "App Server=
" and to "DB Server".

To make everyone on the same page, I think that it is important to define s=
ome common terminologies. To make it more clear on what "services" are chai=
ned together and what components are involved, even though it is possible t=
hat all those services chained together could have common architecture & so=
lutions.

Let's first break all "services" into pieces: (granted that multiple pieces=
 can exist in one physical/virtual device and can be connected together to =
form a sellable service to clients).

There are:


                                                |---wires, or virtual links

-        Interconnections: |--

                                                                        |- =
steering based on L2-3 header
                                  |- Steering functions |-steering based on=
 policies or L4-7 header

-        Functions |

                   |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to diff=
erent gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special purposed=
 forwarding}

                   |
                                  |- L4 Service function: {e.g. TCP Acceler=
ation, NAT, Firewall,  caching, web }
                                 |
                                 |- L7 Service function {e.g. Web Proxy, co=
ntent filtering, statistics collection, etc}

Functions are performed on a node (or a virtual node).

A Service is a combination of functions being interconnected.
>From user perspective, it is about a sequence of service functions intercon=
nected.
Since each service function can have multiple instances, from network persp=
ective, it is really the instances of service function being interconnected=
.



Hard Questions:

*       Many people whom I have talked to during IETF week have stated that=
 NSC is about chaining L4-7 service functions.

*       But some people (and a presentation at the NSC BoF) mentioned that =
NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service functions based on various policies=
, does it?
For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is it di=
fferent from I2RS?


*       Should NSC include chaining various "application" modules?
In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7  se=
rvices regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let the pack=
ets pass through with some level of header changes

I think the general NSC problem statement should start with those terminolo=
gies and state clearly of what components are included.

Thanks, Linda Dunbar


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt">Through the discussions w=
ith people from different background at various forums/conferences and the =
NSC BoF, I have heard different interpretations of Service Chain:<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times=
 New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Some people=
, especially from router/switch vendor background, may think Service chain =
as traffic steering based on something that is NOT the packets Layer 2-3 he=
ader. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7 fields
 based traffic steering.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times=
 New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Some people=
, especially from Network Appliance background, may think of Service Chain =
as &#8220;Middle Boxes&#8221; being overplayed over existing network infras=
tructure.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times=
 New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Application=
 developers may think of &#8220;Service Chain&#8221; as connecting various =
application instances together, such as &#8220;Web Server&#8217; to &#8220;=
App Server&#8221; and to &#8220;DB Server&#8221;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To make everyone on the same page, I think that it i=
s important to define some common terminologies. To make it more clear on w=
hat &#8220;services&#8221; are chained together and what components are inv=
olved, even though it is possible that all those
 services chained together could have common architecture &amp; solutions. =
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let&#8217;s first break all &#8220;services&#8221; i=
nto pieces: (granted that multiple pieces can exist in one physical/virtual=
 device and can be connected together to form a sellable service to clients=
).
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">There are:<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |---wires, or virtual links<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level=
1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"mso-li=
st:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Interconnections: |=
--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- steering based on L2-3 header
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|- Steering functions |-steering based on pol=
icies or L4-7 header<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level=
1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"mso-li=
st:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Functions&nbsp;|<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to different=
 gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special purposed
 forwarding}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L4 Service functi=
on: {e.g. TCP Acceleration, NAT, Firewall,&nbsp; caching, web }
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L7 Service function {e.=
g. Web Proxy, content filtering, statistics collection, etc}<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Functions are performed =
on a node (or a virtual node).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">A Service is a combinati=
on of functions being interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;mar=
gin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:115%">
<span style=3D"color:black">From user perspective, it is about a sequence o=
f service functions interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;mar=
gin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:115%">
<span style=3D"color:black">Since each service function can have multiple i=
nstances, from network perspective, it is really the instances of service f=
unction being interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in =
0in 1.0pt 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">H=
ard Questions:</span><span style=3D"color:black">
<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo6"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:black"=
><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Many people whom I have talked to du=
ring IETF week have stated that NSC is about chaining L4-7 service function=
s. &nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo6"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:black"=
><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">But some people (and a presentation =
at the NSC BoF) mentioned that NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service func=
tions based on various policies, does it?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck">For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is i=
t different from I2RS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo6"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:black"=
><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Should NSC include chaining various =
&#8220;application&#8221; modules?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck">In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7=
 &nbsp;services regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let=
 the packets pass through with some level of
 header changes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I=
 think the general NSC problem statement should start with those terminolog=
ies and state clearly of what components are included.
<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Thanks, Linda Dunbar<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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I respectfully disagree.

I don't think the IETF should be a replay of other SDO.  What I've seen pro=
posed so far are the discussion around metadata and whether an additional h=
eader is required to accommodate it.  We've got some future work on how to =
locate and register a "service".   Gaps where standards don't exist or may =
not be defined enough to fit even generic use cases.

 I don't see how a definition of what the atom IS we're trying to stitch to=
gether matters.  As you indicate, in different scenarios that WILL be diffe=
rent.

I don't feel confused about the generic definitions of the words "service" =
or "chain", or what they mean when they're together.  If you can make a cas=
e for how/if the definition directly affects the work on the table- the met=
adata requirement or the registration of the "service", that may be interes=
ting.



Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 3, 2013, at 5:12 PM, "Linda Dunbar" <linda.dunbar@huawei.com<mailto:=
linda.dunbar@huawei.com>> wrote:

Through the discussions with people from different background at various fo=
rums/conferences and the NSC BoF, I have heard different interpretations of=
 Service Chain:

*        Some people, especially from router/switch vendor background, may =
think Service chain as traffic steering based on something that is NOT the =
packets Layer 2-3 header. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7 fields based traffic s=
teering.

*        Some people, especially from Network Appliance background, may thi=
nk of Service Chain as "Middle Boxes" being overplayed over existing networ=
k infrastructure.

*        Application developers may think of "Service Chain" as connecting =
various application instances together, such as "Web Server' to "App Server=
" and to "DB Server".

To make everyone on the same page, I think that it is important to define s=
ome common terminologies. To make it more clear on what "services" are chai=
ned together and what components are involved, even though it is possible t=
hat all those services chained together could have common architecture & so=
lutions.

Let's first break all "services" into pieces: (granted that multiple pieces=
 can exist in one physical/virtual device and can be connected together to =
form a sellable service to clients).

There are:


                                                |---wires, or virtual links

-        Interconnections: |--

                                                                        |- =
steering based on L2-3 header
                                  |- Steering functions |-steering based on=
 policies or L4-7 header

-        Functions |

                   |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to diff=
erent gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special purposed=
 forwarding}

                   |
                                  |- L4 Service function: {e.g. TCP Acceler=
ation, NAT, Firewall,  caching, web }
                                 |
                                 |- L7 Service function {e.g. Web Proxy, co=
ntent filtering, statistics collection, etc}

Functions are performed on a node (or a virtual node).

A Service is a combination of functions being interconnected.
>From user perspective, it is about a sequence of service functions intercon=
nected.
Since each service function can have multiple instances, from network persp=
ective, it is really the instances of service function being interconnected=
.



Hard Questions:

*       Many people whom I have talked to during IETF week have stated that=
 NSC is about chaining L4-7 service functions.

*       But some people (and a presentation at the NSC BoF) mentioned that =
NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service functions based on various policies=
, does it?
For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is it di=
fferent from I2RS?


*       Should NSC include chaining various "application" modules?
In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7  se=
rvices regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let the pack=
ets pass through with some level of header changes

I think the general NSC problem statement should start with those terminolo=
gies and state clearly of what components are included.

Thanks, Linda Dunbar

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<div>I respectfully disagree. &nbsp;</div>
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<div>I don't think the IETF should be a replay of other SDO. &nbsp;What I'v=
e seen proposed so far are the discussion around metadata and whether an ad=
ditional header is required to accommodate it. &nbsp;We've got some future =
work on how to locate and register a &quot;service&quot;.
 &nbsp; Gaps where standards don't exist or may not be defined enough to fi=
t even generic use cases.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;I don't see how a definition of what the atom IS we're trying to=
 stitch together matters. &nbsp;As you indicate, in different scenarios tha=
t WILL be different.</div>
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 they're together. &nbsp;I</span>f you can make a case for how/if the defin=
ition directly affects the work on the table- the metadata requirement or t=
he registration of the &quot;service&quot;, that may be interesting.</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
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On Aug 3, 2013, at 5:12 PM, &quot;Linda Dunbar&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
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 services chained together could have common architecture &amp; solutions. =
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- steering based on L2-3 header
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|- Steering functions |-steering based on pol=
icies or L4-7 header<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level=
1 lfo4"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"ms=
o-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Functions&nbsp;=
|<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to different=
 gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special purposed
 forwarding}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L4 Service functi=
on: {e.g. TCP Acceleration, NAT, Firewall,&nbsp; caching, web }
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L7 Service function {e.=
g. Web Proxy, content filtering, statistics collection, etc}<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Functions are performed =
on a node (or a virtual node).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">A Service is a combinati=
on of functions being interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;mar=
gin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:115%">
<span style=3D"color:black">From user perspective, it is about a sequence o=
f service functions interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;mar=
gin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:115%">
<span style=3D"color:black">Since each service function can have multiple i=
nstances, from network perspective, it is really the instances of service f=
unction being interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in =
0in 1.0pt 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">H=
ard Questions:</span><span style=3D"color:black">
<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo6"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:bl=
ack"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Many people whom I have talked t=
o during IETF week have stated that NSC is about chaining L4-7 service func=
tions. &nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo6"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:bl=
ack"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">But some people (and a presentat=
ion at the NSC BoF) mentioned that NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service =
functions based on various policies, does it?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck">For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is i=
t different from I2RS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo6"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:bl=
ack"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Should NSC include chaining vari=
ous &#8220;application&#8221; modules?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck">In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7=
 &nbsp;services regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let=
 the packets pass through with some level of
 header changes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I=
 think the general NSC problem statement should start with those terminolog=
ies and state clearly of what components are included.
<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Thanks, Linda Dunbar<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi, Linda.

Clearly there are other SDO's wrestling with these same items.   I wonder i=
f we can, with an IETF focus, reduce the problem to the protocol level even=
 without concise definitions for the elements of the use cases that are env=
isioned.    This would allow us to work in parallel with other organization=
s, like NFV, where those definitions can be wrestled to the ground.

I would suggest that the problem can be reduced to the need for policy-base=
d multihop source routing where a "classifier" node determines a set of mus=
t-visit nodes.  Additionally there has been discussion on metadata delivery=
 between the classifier and the various nodes in the chain.

   Ron


From: nsc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda=
 Dunbar
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 5:12 PM
To: nsc@ietf.org
Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk
Subject: [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and necessary comp=
onents

Through the discussions with people from different background at various fo=
rums/conferences and the NSC BoF, I have heard different interpretations of=
 Service Chain:

*         Some people, especially from router/switch vendor background, may=
 think Service chain as traffic steering based on something that is NOT the=
 packets Layer 2-3 header. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7 fields based traffic =
steering.

*         Some people, especially from Network Appliance background, may th=
ink of Service Chain as "Middle Boxes" being overplayed over existing netwo=
rk infrastructure.

*         Application developers may think of "Service Chain" as connecting=
 various application instances together, such as "Web Server' to "App Serve=
r" and to "DB Server".

To make everyone on the same page, I think that it is important to define s=
ome common terminologies. To make it more clear on what "services" are chai=
ned together and what components are involved, even though it is possible t=
hat all those services chained together could have common architecture & so=
lutions.

Let's first break all "services" into pieces: (granted that multiple pieces=
 can exist in one physical/virtual device and can be connected together to =
form a sellable service to clients).

There are:


                                                |---wires, or virtual links

-          Interconnections: |--

                                                                        |- =
steering based on L2-3 header
                                  |- Steering functions |-steering based on=
 policies or L4-7 header

-          Functions |

                   |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to diff=
erent gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special purposed=
 forwarding}

                   |
                                  |- L4 Service function: {e.g. TCP Acceler=
ation, NAT, Firewall,  caching, web }
                                 |
                                 |- L7 Service function {e.g. Web Proxy, co=
ntent filtering, statistics collection, etc}

Functions are performed on a node (or a virtual node).

A Service is a combination of functions being interconnected.
>From user perspective, it is about a sequence of service functions intercon=
nected.
Since each service function can have multiple instances, from network persp=
ective, it is really the instances of service function being interconnected=
.



Hard Questions:

*         Many people whom I have talked to during IETF week have stated th=
at NSC is about chaining L4-7 service functions.

*         But some people (and a presentation at the NSC BoF) mentioned tha=
t NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service functions based on various polici=
es, does it?
For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is it di=
fferent from I2RS?


*         Should NSC include chaining various "application" modules?
In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7  se=
rvices regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let the pack=
ets pass through with some level of header changes

I think the general NSC problem statement should start with those terminolo=
gies and state clearly of what components are included.

Thanks, Linda Dunbar


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi, Linda.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Clearly there are othe=
r SDO&#8217;s wrestling with these same items.&nbsp;&nbsp; I wonder if we c=
an, with an IETF focus, reduce the problem to the protocol level even witho=
ut concise definitions for the elements of the use cases
 that are envisioned.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;This would allow us to work in para=
llel with other organizations, like NFV, where those definitions can be wre=
stled to the ground.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I would suggest that t=
he problem can be reduced to the need for policy-based multihop source rout=
ing where a &#8220;classifier&#8221; node determines a set of must-visit no=
des. &nbsp;Additionally there has been discussion on
 metadata delivery between the classifier and the various nodes in the chai=
n.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp; Ron<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> nsc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nsc-bounce=
s@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Linda Dunbar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 03, 2013 5:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nsc@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> adrian@olddog.co.uk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and necessa=
ry components<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt">Through the discussions w=
ith people from different background at various forums/conferences and the =
NSC BoF, I have heard different interpretations of Service Chain:<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times=
 New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Some people=
, especially from router/switch vendor background, may think Service chain =
as traffic steering based on something that is NOT the packets Layer 2-3 he=
ader. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7 fields
 based traffic steering.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times=
 New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Some people=
, especially from Network Appliance background, may think of Service Chain =
as &#8220;Middle Boxes&#8221; being overplayed over existing network infras=
tructure.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;=
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times=
 New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Application=
 developers may think of &#8220;Service Chain&#8221; as connecting various =
application instances together, such as &#8220;Web Server&#8217; to &#8220;=
App Server&#8221; and to &#8220;DB Server&#8221;.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To make everyone on the same page, I think that it i=
s important to define some common terminologies. To make it more clear on w=
hat &#8220;services&#8221; are chained together and what components are inv=
olved, even though it is possible that all those
 services chained together could have common architecture &amp; solutions. =
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let&#8217;s first break all &#8220;services&#8221; i=
nto pieces: (granted that multiple pieces can exist in one physical/virtual=
 device and can be connected together to form a sellable service to clients=
).
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">There are:<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |---wires, or virtual links<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level=
1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"mso-li=
st:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Interconnections: |=
--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- steering based on L2-3 header
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|- Steering functions |-steering based on pol=
icies or L4-7 header<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level=
1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"mso-li=
st:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Functions&nbsp;|<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to different=
 gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special purposed
 forwarding}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L4 Service functi=
on: {e.g. TCP Acceleration, NAT, Firewall,&nbsp; caching, web }
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L7 Service function {e.=
g. Web Proxy, content filtering, statistics collection, etc}<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Functions are performed =
on a node (or a virtual node).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">A Service is a combinati=
on of functions being interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;mar=
gin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:115%">
<span style=3D"color:black">From user perspective, it is about a sequence o=
f service functions interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;mar=
gin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:115%">
<span style=3D"color:black">Since each service function can have multiple i=
nstances, from network perspective, it is really the instances of service f=
unction being interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in =
0in 1.0pt 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">H=
ard Questions:</span><span style=3D"color:black">
<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo6"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:black"=
><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Many people whom I have talked to du=
ring IETF week have stated that NSC is about chaining L4-7 service function=
s. &nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo6"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:black"=
><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">But some people (and a presentation =
at the NSC BoF) mentioned that NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service func=
tions based on various policies, does it?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck">For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is i=
t different from I2RS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo6"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:black"=
><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Should NSC include chaining various =
&#8220;application&#8221; modules?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck">In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7=
 &nbsp;services regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let=
 the packets pass through with some level of
 header changes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I=
 think the general NSC problem statement should start with those terminolog=
ies and state clearly of what components are included.
<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Thanks, Linda Dunbar<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi Linda,

IMO, we should not go in that path. I would suggest we avoid making any ass=
umption on the individual functions. For example, we should not care about =
the layer on which the function acts on. The exact definition of each funct=
ion is specific to each domain: it is deployment-specific. Instead, I sugge=
st we scope the work to a very specific problem which is: how to enforce po=
licy-based forwarding in which a set of functions are invoked in a given or=
der.

Cheers,
Med


De : nsc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Linda=
 Dunbar
Envoy=E9 : samedi 3 ao=FBt 2013 23:12
=C0 : nsc@ietf.org
Cc : adrian@olddog.co.uk
Objet : [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and necessary compo=
nents

Through the discussions with people from different background at various fo=
rums/conferences and the NSC BoF, I have heard different interpretations of=
 Service Chain:

=B7         Some people, especially from router/switch vendor background, m=
ay think Service chain as traffic steering based on something that is NOT t=
he packets Layer 2-3 header. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7 fields based traffi=
c steering.

=B7         Some people, especially from Network Appliance background, may =
think of Service Chain as "Middle Boxes" being overplayed over existing net=
work infrastructure.

=B7         Application developers may think of "Service Chain" as connecti=
ng various application instances together, such as "Web Server' to "App Ser=
ver" and to "DB Server".

To make everyone on the same page, I think that it is important to define s=
ome common terminologies. To make it more clear on what "services" are chai=
ned together and what components are involved, even though it is possible t=
hat all those services chained together could have common architecture & so=
lutions.

Let's first break all "services" into pieces: (granted that multiple pieces=
 can exist in one physical/virtual device and can be connected together to =
form a sellable service to clients).

There are:


                                                |---wires, or virtual links

-          Interconnections: |--

                                                                        |- =
steering based on L2-3 header
                                  |- Steering functions |-steering based on=
 policies or L4-7 header

-          Functions |

                   |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to diff=
erent gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special purposed=
 forwarding}

                   |
                                  |- L4 Service function: {e.g. TCP Acceler=
ation, NAT, Firewall,  caching, web }
                                 |
                                 |- L7 Service function {e.g. Web Proxy, co=
ntent filtering, statistics collection, etc}

Functions are performed on a node (or a virtual node).

A Service is a combination of functions being interconnected.
>From user perspective, it is about a sequence of service functions intercon=
nected.
Since each service function can have multiple instances, from network persp=
ective, it is really the instances of service function being interconnected=
.



Hard Questions:

=B7         Many people whom I have talked to during IETF week have stated =
that NSC is about chaining L4-7 service functions.

=B7         But some people (and a presentation at the NSC BoF) mentioned t=
hat NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service functions based on various poli=
cies, does it?
For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is it di=
fferent from I2RS?


=B7         Should NSC include chaining various "application" modules?
In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7  se=
rvices regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let the pack=
ets pass through with some level of header changes

I think the general NSC problem statement should start with those terminolo=
gies and state clearly of what components are included.

Thanks, Linda Dunbar


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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Hi Linda,<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F49=
7D'>IMO, we should not go in that path. I would suggest we avoid making any=
 assumption on the individual functions. For example, we should not care ab=
out the layer on which the function acts on. The exact definition of each f=
unction is specific to each domain: it is deployment-specific. Instead, I s=
uggest we scope the work to a very specific problem which is: how to enforc=
e policy-based forwarding in which a set of functions are invoked in a give=
n order.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier=
 New";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Med<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";colo=
r:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-lef=
t:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:non=
e;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><b><span lang=3DFR style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sa=
ns-serif"'>De&nbsp;:</span></b><span lang=3DFR style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nsc-bounces@=
ietf.org] <b>De la part de</b> Linda Dunbar<br><b>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</b> samed=
i 3 ao=FBt 2013 23:12<br><b>=C0&nbsp;:</b> nsc@ietf.org<br><b>Cc&nbsp;:</b>=
 adrian@olddog.co.uk<br><b>Objet&nbsp;:</b> [nsc] Critical step of NSC: bas=
ic terminologies and necessary components<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mar=
gin-top:6.0pt'>Through the discussions with people from different backgroun=
d at various forums/conferences and the NSC BoF, I have heard different int=
erpretations of Service Chain:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph st=
yle=3D'margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span st=
yle=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif=
]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Some people, especially from router/swit=
ch vendor background, may think Service chain as traffic steering based on =
something that is NOT the packets Layer 2-3 header. E.g. policies or Layer =
4-7 fields based traffic steering.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-lis=
t:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:Symbol'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0p=
t "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </spa=
n></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Some people, esp=
ecially from Network Appliance background, may think of Service Chain as &#=
8220;Middle Boxes&#8221; being overplayed over existing network infrastruct=
ure. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-top:=
6.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ig=
nore'>=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt'>Application developers may think of &#8220;Service Chain&#=
8221; as connecting various application instances together, such as &#8220;=
Web Server&#8217; to &#8220;App Server&#8221; and to &#8220;DB Server&#8221=
;. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>To make everyone on the same page, I think that it is importan=
t to define some common terminologies. To make it more clear on what &#8220=
;services&#8221; are chained together and what components are involved, eve=
n though it is possible that all those services chained together could have=
 common architecture &amp; solutions. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Let&#8217;s first break all &#8220=
;services&#8221; into pieces: (granted that multiple pieces can exist in on=
e physical/virtual device and can be connected together to form a sellable =
service to clients). <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>There are:<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |---wires, or virtual links<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt=
;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list=
:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Inte=
rconnections: |--<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'=
color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- ste=
ering based on L2-3 header <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;|- Steering functions |-steering based on policies or L4-7 header<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Igno=
re'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D=
'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Functions=
&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to di=
fferent gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special purpos=
ed forwarding}<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal sty=
le=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L4 Service function: {e.g. TCP Acceleration=
, NAT, Firewall,&nbsp; caching, web } <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L7 Service function {e.g. Web Proxy, con=
tent filtering, statistics collection, etc}<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Functions are performed on a nod=
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e=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'color:black'>A Service is a combination of functions being interconn=
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lt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;line-height=
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uence of service functions interconnected. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom=
:10.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;line-height:115%'><span style=3D'color:black'>Si=
nce each service function can have multiple instances, from network perspec=
tive, it is really the instances of service function being interconnected. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;li=
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/o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><u><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:12.0pt;color:black'>Hard Questions:</span><span style=3D'color:black'> <=
o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-inde=
nt:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'fon=
t-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=B7<span style=
=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:black'>Many people whom I have talked to during IETF we=
ek have stated that NSC is about chaining L4-7 service functions. &nbsp; <o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0p=
t;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:=
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/span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:black'>But some people (and a presentation at the NSC BoF) menti=
oned that NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service functions based on variou=
s policies, does it? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'ma=
rgin-left:54.0pt'><span style=3D'color:black'>For L2-3 functions chained to=
gether based on various policies, how is it different from I2RS?<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:54.0pt'><span style=3D=
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=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-fa=
mily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Should NSC include chaining variou=
s &#8220;application&#8221; modules? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'margin-left:54.0pt'><span style=3D'color:black'>In general, m=
ost L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7 &nbsp;services r=
egenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let the packets pass=
 through with some level of header changes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:54.0pt'><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nb=
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0pt;color:black'>I think the general NSC problem statement should start wit=
h those terminologies and state clearly of what components are included. <o=
:p></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black=
'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:bla=
ck'>Thanks, Linda Dunbar<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
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Hi Med,

I agree and do not see the necessity to spend oodles of time defining termi=
nology; if specific terminology is necessary for a particular deployment sc=
enario then it should be defined within use case ID's. Having said that I b=
elieve the scope of work is wider than just enforcing policy-based forwardi=
ng through a set of service functions. We also need to define the interface=
 for presentation of metadata from/to the network and service functions, an=
d between service functions.

From: "mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>" <=
mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>>
Date: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:32 AM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com>>,=
 "nsc@ietf.org<mailto:nsc@ietf.org>" <nsc@ietf.org<mailto:nsc@ietf.org>>
Cc: "adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>" <adrian@olddog.co.uk<=
mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>
Subject: Re: [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and necessary =
components

Hi Linda,

IMO, we should not go in that path. I would suggest we avoid making any ass=
umption on the individual functions. For example, we should not care about =
the layer on which the function acts on. The exact definition of each funct=
ion is specific to each domain: it is deployment-specific. Instead, I sugge=
st we scope the work to a very specific problem which is: how to enforce po=
licy-based forwarding in which a set of functions are invoked in a given or=
der.

Cheers,
Med


De : nsc-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:nsc-bounces@=
ietf.org] De la part de Linda Dunbar
Envoy=E9 : samedi 3 ao=FBt 2013 23:12
=C0 : nsc@ietf.org<mailto:nsc@ietf.org>
Cc : adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Objet : [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and necessary compo=
nents

Through the discussions with people from different background at various fo=
rums/conferences and the NSC BoF, I have heard different interpretations of=
 Service Chain:

=B7         Some people, especially from router/switch vendor background, m=
ay think Service chain as traffic steering based on something that is NOT t=
he packets Layer 2-3 header. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7 fields based traffi=
c steering.

=B7         Some people, especially from Network Appliance background, may =
think of Service Chain as =93Middle Boxes=94 being overplayed over existing=
 network infrastructure.

=B7         Application developers may think of =93Service Chain=94 as conn=
ecting various application instances together, such as =93Web Server=92 to =
=93App Server=94 and to =93DB Server=94.

To make everyone on the same page, I think that it is important to define s=
ome common terminologies. To make it more clear on what =93services=94 are =
chained together and what components are involved, even though it is possib=
le that all those services chained together could have common architecture =
& solutions.

Let=92s first break all =93services=94 into pieces: (granted that multiple =
pieces can exist in one physical/virtual device and can be connected togeth=
er to form a sellable service to clients).

There are:


                                                |---wires, or virtual links

-          Interconnections: |--

                                                                        |- =
steering based on L2-3 header
                                  |- Steering functions |-steering based on=
 policies or L4-7 header

-          Functions |

                   |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to diff=
erent gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special purposed=
 forwarding}

                   |
                                  |- L4 Service function: {e.g. TCP Acceler=
ation, NAT, Firewall,  caching, web }
                                 |
                                 |- L7 Service function {e.g. Web Proxy, co=
ntent filtering, statistics collection, etc}

Functions are performed on a node (or a virtual node).

A Service is a combination of functions being interconnected.
>From user perspective, it is about a sequence of service functions intercon=
nected.
Since each service function can have multiple instances, from network persp=
ective, it is really the instances of service function being interconnected=
.



Hard Questions:

=B7         Many people whom I have talked to during IETF week have stated =
that NSC is about chaining L4-7 service functions.

=B7         But some people (and a presentation at the NSC BoF) mentioned t=
hat NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service functions based on various poli=
cies, does it?
For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is it di=
fferent from I2RS?


=B7         Should NSC include chaining various =93application=94 modules?
In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7  se=
rvices regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let the pack=
ets pass through with some level of header changes

I think the general NSC problem statement should start with those terminolo=
gies and state clearly of what components are included.

Thanks, Linda Dunbar


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<div>Hi Med,</div>
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<div>I agree and do not see the necessity to spend oodles of time defining =
terminology; if specific terminology is necessary for a particular deployme=
nt scenario then it should be defined within use case ID's. Having said tha=
t I believe the scope of work is
 wider than just enforcing policy-based forwarding through a set of service=
 functions. We also need to define the interface for presentation of metada=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: 'Courier New'; ">Hi Linda,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: 'Courier New'; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: 'Courier New'; ">IMO, we should not go in that path. I wo=
uld suggest we avoid making any assumption on the individual functions. For=
 example, we should not care about the
 layer on which the function acts on. The exact definition of each function=
 is specific to each domain: it is deployment-specific. Instead, I suggest =
we scope the work to a very specific problem which is: how to enforce polic=
y-based forwarding in which a set
 of functions are invoked in a given order.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: 'Courier New'; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: 'Courier New'; ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: 'Courier New'; ">Med<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: 'Courier New'; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25); font-family: 'Courier New'; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-=
family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">De&nbsp;:</span></b><span lang=3D"FR" style=
=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">
<a href=3D"mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org">nsc-bounces@ietf.org</a> [<a href=
=3D"mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>De la part de</b> Linda Dunbar<br>
<b>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</b> samedi 3 ao=FBt 2013 23:12<br>
<b>=C0&nbsp;:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:nsc@ietf.org">nsc@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc&nbsp;:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk=
</a><br>
<b>Objet&nbsp;:</b> [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and nec=
essary components<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt">Through the discussions w=
ith people from different background at various forums/conferences and the =
NSC BoF, I have heard different interpretations of Service Chain:<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; "><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Some pe=
ople, especially from router/switch vendor background, may think Service ch=
ain as traffic steering based on something that is NOT the packets Layer 2-=
3 header. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7
 fields based traffic steering.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; "><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Some pe=
ople, especially from Network Appliance background, may think of Service Ch=
ain as =93Middle Boxes=94 being overplayed over existing network infrastruc=
ture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt=
;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; "><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Applica=
tion developers may think of =93Service Chain=94 as connecting various appl=
ication instances together, such as =93Web Server=92 to =93App Server=94 an=
d to =93DB Server=94.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To make everyone on the same page, I think that it i=
s important to define some common terminologies. To make it more clear on w=
hat =93services=94 are chained together and what components are involved, e=
ven though it is possible that all those
 services chained together could have common architecture &amp; solutions. =
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let=92s first break all =93services=94 into pieces: =
(granted that multiple pieces can exist in one physical/virtual device and =
can be connected together to form a sellable service to clients).
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">There are:<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |---wires, or virtual links<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 leve=
l1 lfo4"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: b=
lack; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Interconnections: |--<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- steering based on L2-3 header
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|- Steering functions |-steering based on pol=
icies or L4-7 header<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 leve=
l1 lfo4"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><span style=3D"m=
so-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: b=
lack; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Functions&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: black;=
 font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L=
2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to different gateway/domains b=
ased on dynamic policies to achieve special purposed
 forwarding}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: black;=
 font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L4 Service functi=
on: {e.g. TCP Acceleration, NAT, Firewall,&nbsp; caching, web }
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L7 Service function {e.=
g. Web Proxy, content filtering, statistics collection, etc}<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Functions are performed =
on a node (or a virtual node).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">A Service is a combinati=
on of functions being interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;mar=
gin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;line-height:115%">
<span style=3D"color:black">From user perspective, it is about a sequence o=
f service functions interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;mar=
gin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;line-height:115%">
<span style=3D"color:black">Since each service function can have multiple i=
nstances, from network perspective, it is really the instances of service f=
unction being interconnected.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">H=
ard Questions:</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></u></b>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 leve=
l1 lfo6"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"color: black; "><span styl=
e=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"color: black; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Many people whom I have talked to during IETF week=
 have stated that NSC is about chaining L4-7 service functions. &nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 leve=
l1 lfo6"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"color: black; "><span styl=
e=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"color: black; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif; ">But some people (and a presentation at the NSC BoF=
) mentioned that NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service functions based on=
 various policies, does it?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:54.0pt"><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack">For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is =
it different from I2RS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:54.0pt"><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 leve=
l1 lfo6"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"color: black; "><span styl=
e=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"color: black; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Should NSC include chaining various =93application=
=94 modules?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:54.0pt"><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack">In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L=
7 &nbsp;services regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services le=
t the packets pass through with some level
 of header changes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:54.0pt"><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I=
 think the general NSC problem statement should start with those terminolog=
ies and state clearly of what components are included.
<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Thanks, Linda Dunbar<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Yes, I agree. The interfaces are part of the global framework. In my mind, =
these are sub-items of the "how" mentioned in my initial message.

Cheers,
Med


De : Jim Guichard (jguichar) [mailto:jguichar@cisco.com]
Envoy=E9 : lundi 5 ao=FBt 2013 15:01
=C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/OLN; Linda Dunbar; nsc@ietf.org
Cc : adrian@olddog.co.uk
Objet : Re: [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and necessary c=
omponents

Hi Med,

I agree and do not see the necessity to spend oodles of time defining termi=
nology; if specific terminology is necessary for a particular deployment sc=
enario then it should be defined within use case ID's. Having said that I b=
elieve the scope of work is wider than just enforcing policy-based forwardi=
ng through a set of service functions. We also need to define the interface=
 for presentation of metadata from/to the network and service functions, an=
d between service functions.

From: "mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>" <=
mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>>
Date: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:32 AM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com>>,=
 "nsc@ietf.org<mailto:nsc@ietf.org>" <nsc@ietf.org<mailto:nsc@ietf.org>>
Cc: "adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>" <adrian@olddog.co.uk<=
mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>
Subject: Re: [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and necessary =
components

Hi Linda,

IMO, we should not go in that path. I would suggest we avoid making any ass=
umption on the individual functions. For example, we should not care about =
the layer on which the function acts on. The exact definition of each funct=
ion is specific to each domain: it is deployment-specific. Instead, I sugge=
st we scope the work to a very specific problem which is: how to enforce po=
licy-based forwarding in which a set of functions are invoked in a given or=
der.

Cheers,
Med


De : nsc-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:nsc-bounces@=
ietf.org] De la part de Linda Dunbar
Envoy=E9 : samedi 3 ao=FBt 2013 23:12
=C0 : nsc@ietf.org<mailto:nsc@ietf.org>
Cc : adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Objet : [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and necessary compo=
nents

Through the discussions with people from different background at various fo=
rums/conferences and the NSC BoF, I have heard different interpretations of=
 Service Chain:

=B7         Some people, especially from router/switch vendor background, m=
ay think Service chain as traffic steering based on something that is NOT t=
he packets Layer 2-3 header. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7 fields based traffi=
c steering.

=B7         Some people, especially from Network Appliance background, may =
think of Service Chain as "Middle Boxes" being overplayed over existing net=
work infrastructure.

=B7         Application developers may think of "Service Chain" as connecti=
ng various application instances together, such as "Web Server' to "App Ser=
ver" and to "DB Server".

To make everyone on the same page, I think that it is important to define s=
ome common terminologies. To make it more clear on what "services" are chai=
ned together and what components are involved, even though it is possible t=
hat all those services chained together could have common architecture & so=
lutions.

Let's first break all "services" into pieces: (granted that multiple pieces=
 can exist in one physical/virtual device and can be connected together to =
form a sellable service to clients).

There are:


                                                |---wires, or virtual links

-          Interconnections: |--

                                                                        |- =
steering based on L2-3 header
                                  |- Steering functions |-steering based on=
 policies or L4-7 header

-          Functions |

                   |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to diff=
erent gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special purposed=
 forwarding}

                   |
                                  |- L4 Service function: {e.g. TCP Acceler=
ation, NAT, Firewall,  caching, web }
                                 |
                                 |- L7 Service function {e.g. Web Proxy, co=
ntent filtering, statistics collection, etc}

Functions are performed on a node (or a virtual node).

A Service is a combination of functions being interconnected.
>From user perspective, it is about a sequence of service functions intercon=
nected.
Since each service function can have multiple instances, from network persp=
ective, it is really the instances of service function being interconnected=
.



Hard Questions:

=B7         Many people whom I have talked to during IETF week have stated =
that NSC is about chaining L4-7 service functions.

=B7         But some people (and a presentation at the NSC BoF) mentioned t=
hat NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service functions based on various poli=
cies, does it?
For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is it di=
fferent from I2RS?


=B7         Should NSC include chaining various "application" modules?
In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7  se=
rvices regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let the pack=
ets pass through with some level of header changes

I think the general NSC problem statement should start with those terminolo=
gies and state clearly of what components are included.

Thanks, Linda Dunbar


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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","serif";color:#993366'>=
Re-,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Courier New","serif";color:#993366'>Yes, I agree. The interfaces are=
 part of the global framework. In my mind, these are sub-items of the &#822=
0;how&#8221; mentioned in my initial message. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","se=
rif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","serif";color:#993366'>=
Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","serif";color:#993366'>Med<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cou=
rier New","serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","serif";co=
lor:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-l=
eft:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:n=
one;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif=
"'>De&nbsp;:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma"=
,"sans-serif"'> Jim Guichard (jguichar) [mailto:jguichar@cisco.com] <br><b>=
Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</b> lundi 5 ao=FBt 2013 15:01<br><b>=C0&nbsp;:</b> BOUCADAI=
R Mohame</span><span lang=3DFR style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahom=
a","sans-serif"'>d OLNC/OLN; Linda Dunbar; nsc@ietf.org<br><b>Cc&nbsp;:</b>=
 adrian@olddog.co.uk<br><b>Objet&nbsp;:</b> Re: [nsc] Critical step of NSC:=
 basic terminologies and necessary components<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Hi Med,<o:p></o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:10.5pt;color:black'>I agree and do not see the necessity to spend o=
odles of time defining terminology; if specific terminology is necessary fo=
r a particular deployment scenario then it should be defined within use cas=
e ID's. Having said that I believe the scope of work is wider than just enf=
orcing policy-based forwarding through a set of service functions. We also =
need to define the interface for presentation of metadata from/to the netwo=
rk and service functions, and between service functions.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;co=
lor:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div style=3D'border:none;bord=
er-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<b><span style=3D'color:black'>From: </span></b><span style=3D'color:black'=
>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com">mohamed.boucadair@or=
ange.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com">moha=
med.boucadair@orange.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Date: </b>Monday, August 5, 2013 2:3=
2 AM<br><b>To: </b>Linda Dunbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.c=
om">linda.dunbar@huawei.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:nsc@ietf.org">=
nsc@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nsc@ietf.org">nsc@ietf.org</a>=
&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@oldd=
og.co.uk</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog=
.co.uk</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic ter=
minologies and necessary components<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Linda,</span><spa=
n style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","serif";color:#1F497D'>&n=
bsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","serif";co=
lor:#1F497D'>IMO, we should not go in that path. I would suggest we avoid m=
aking any assumption on the individual functions. For example, we should no=
t care about the layer on which the function acts on. The exact definition =
of each function is specific to each domain: it is deployment-specific. Ins=
tead, I suggest we scope the work to a very specific problem which is: how =
to enforce policy-based forwarding in which a set of functions are invoked =
in a given order.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier Ne=
w","serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Courier New","serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,</span><span style=3D'color=
:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","serif";color:#1F497D'>Med</span><span st=
yle=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp=
;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New","serif";color=
:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><d=
iv style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.=
0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:=
3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DFR style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>De&nbsp;:</span></=
b><span lang=3DFR style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-seri=
f";color:black'> <a href=3D"mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org">nsc-bounces@ietf.o=
rg</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org=
</a>] <b>De la part de</b> Linda Dunbar<br><b>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</b> samedi 3 =
ao=FBt 2013 23:12<br><b>=C0&nbsp;:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:nsc@ietf.org">nsc@=
ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc&nbsp;:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adr=
ian@olddog.co.uk</a><br><b>Objet&nbsp;:</b> [nsc] Critical step of NSC: bas=
ic terminologies and necessary components</span><span style=3D'color:black'=
><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'colo=
r:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-t=
op:6.0pt'><span style=3D'color:black'>Through the discussions with people f=
rom different background at various forums/conferences and the NSC BoF, I h=
ave heard different interpretations of Service Chain:<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;m=
so-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:Sym=
bol;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0=
pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </sp=
an></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Som=
e people, especially from router/switch vendor background, may think Servic=
e chain as traffic steering based on something that is NOT the packets Laye=
r 2-3 header. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7 fields based traffic steering.&nbs=
p;&nbsp; </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:=
l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:Symbol;colo=
r:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Time=
s New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></spa=
n></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Some people=
, especially from Network Appliance background, may think of Service Chain =
as &#8220;Middle Boxes&#8221; being overplayed over existing network infras=
tructure. </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:=
l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:Symbol;colo=
r:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Time=
s New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></spa=
n></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Application=
 developers may think of &#8220;Service Chain&#8221; as connecting various =
application instances together, such as &#8220;Web Server&#8217; to &#8220;=
App Server&#8221; and to &#8220;DB Server&#8221;. </span><span style=3D'col=
or:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:b=
lack'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color=
:black'>To make everyone on the same page, I think that it is important to =
define some common terminologies. To make it more clear on what &#8220;serv=
ices&#8221; are chained together and what components are involved, even tho=
ugh it is possible that all those services chained together could have comm=
on architecture &amp; solutions. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'color:black'>Let&#8217;s first break all &#8220;services&=
#8221; into pieces: (granted that multiple pieces can exist in one physical=
/virtual device and can be connected together to form a sellable service to=
 clients). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:=
black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'colo=
r:black'>There are:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span s=
tyle=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; |---wires, or virtual links<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListPara=
graph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportL=
ists]><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><!=
[endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
color:black'>Interconnections: |--</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- steering based on L2-3 heade=
r <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|- Steering functions |=
-steering based on policies or L4-7 header<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
MsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![i=
f !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:bl=
ack'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></spa=
n></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif";color:black'>Functions&nbsp;|</span><span style=3D'color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span style=3D'font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to different=
 gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special purposed forw=
arding}</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
MsoListParagraph><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","san=
s-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|</span><span style=
=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-a=
utospace:none'><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L4 Service function: {e.g. TCP Acceleration, NAT, Firew=
all,&nbsp; caching, web } <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'text-autospace:none'><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |- L7 Service function {e.g. Web Proxy, content filter=
ing, statistics collection, etc}<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span style=3D'color:black'>Functions are performed on a node (or a virtu=
al node).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:bl=
ack'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:=
black'>A Service is a combination of functions being interconnected. <o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin=
-right:0cm;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;line-height:115%'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>From user perspective, it is about a sequence of serv=
ice functions interconnected. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-=
left:36.0pt;line-height:115%'><span style=3D'color:black'>Since each servic=
e function can have multiple instances, from network perspective, it is rea=
lly the instances of service function being interconnected. <o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'=
><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style=3D'bord=
er:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D=
'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><u><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:bla=
ck'>Hard Questions:</span></u></b><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:=
l2 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:Symbol;colo=
r:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Time=
s New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></spa=
n></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:=
black'>Many people whom I have talked to during IETF week have stated that =
NSC is about chaining L4-7 service functions. &nbsp; </span><span style=3D'=
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'tex=
t-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style=
=3D'font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=B7<spa=
n style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif";color:black'>But some people (and a presentation at th=
e NSC BoF) mentioned that NSC also includes chaining L2-3 service functions=
 based on various policies, does it? </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:54.0pt'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>For L2-3 functions chained together based on various =
policies, how is it different from I2RS?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'margin-left:54.0pt'><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;=
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-family:Sy=
mbol;color:black'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=B7<span style=3D'font:7.=
0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </s=
pan></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-seri=
f";color:black'>Should NSC include chaining various &#8220;application&#822=
1; modules? </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:54.0pt'><span style=3D'color:black'>In =
general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7 &nbsp;=
services regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let the pa=
ckets pass through with some level of header changes<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:54.0pt'><span style=3D'color:black=
'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><u><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I think the general NSC problem statement should=
 start with those terminologies and state clearly of what components are in=
cluded. </span></u></b><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Thanks, Linda Dunbar<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>=

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I think some degree of distinction is useful.

It seems to me that in order for Network service chaining to make sense, 
we have to have a network.  So L2 and L3 conventional forwarding (the 
base mechanisms) are not within the services being chained.  They are 
(part of) the supporting infrastructure.

Similarly, in order to keep our discussion focused, I had thought that 
the services under discussion were ones that interacted with the 
operator.  Thus, the aspects of SDN or other architectures related to 
placing and scaling the network control function (routing control logic, 
etc.) while interesting are not within what I had taken to be the scope 
of Network Service Chaining.

Even within network service chaining it seems to me important to keep 
track of the difference between control protocols and their support on 
the one hand, and operations which interact with the subscribers data 
packets on the other.  The tools we have and need for manipulating those 
two sets are very different.

Yours,
Joel M. Halpern

On 8/5/13 9:01 AM, Jim Guichard (jguichar) wrote:
> Hi Med,
>
> I agree and do not see the necessity to spend oodles of time defining
> terminology; if specific terminology is necessary for a particular
> deployment scenario then it should be defined within use case ID's.
> Having said that I believe the scope of work is wider than just
> enforcing policy-based forwarding through a set of service functions. We
> also need to define the interface for presentation of metadata from/to
> the network and service functions, and between service functions.
>
> From: "mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>" <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>>
> Date: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:32 AM
> To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com
> <mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com>>, "nsc@ietf.org <mailto:nsc@ietf.org>"
> <nsc@ietf.org <mailto:nsc@ietf.org>>
> Cc: "adrian@olddog.co.uk <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>"
> <adrian@olddog.co.uk <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>
> Subject: Re: [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and
> necessary components
>
> Hi Linda,
>
> IMO, we should not go in that path. I would suggest we avoid making any
> assumption on the individual functions. For example, we should not care
> about the layer on which the function acts on. The exact definition of
> each function is specific to each domain: it is deployment-specific.
> Instead, I suggest we scope the work to a very specific problem which
> is: how to enforce policy-based forwarding in which a set of functions
> are invoked in a given order.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Med
>
> *De :*nsc-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org>
> [mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org] *De la part de* Linda Dunbar
> *Envoyé :* samedi 3 août 2013 23:12
> *À :* nsc@ietf.org <mailto:nsc@ietf.org>
> *Cc :* adrian@olddog.co.uk <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> *Objet :* [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and necessary
> components
>
> Through the discussions with people from different background at various
> forums/conferences and the NSC BoF, I have heard different
> interpretations of Service Chain:
>
> ·Some people, especially from router/switch vendor background, may think
> Service chain as traffic steering based on something that is NOT the
> packets Layer 2-3 header. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7 fields based
> traffic steering.
>
> ·Some people, especially from Network Appliance background, may think of
> Service Chain as “Middle Boxes” being overplayed over existing network
> infrastructure.
>
> ·Application developers may think of “Service Chain” as connecting
> various application instances together, such as “Web Server’ to “App
> Server” and to “DB Server”.
>
> To make everyone on the same page, I think that it is important to
> define some common terminologies. To make it more clear on what
> “services” are chained together and what components are involved, even
> though it is possible that all those services chained together could
> have common architecture & solutions.
>
> Let’s first break all “services” into pieces: (granted that multiple
> pieces can exist in one physical/virtual device and can be connected
> together to form a sellable service to clients).
>
> There are:
>
>                                                  |---wires, or virtual links
>
> -Interconnections: |--
>
>
> |- steering based on L2-3 header
>
>                                    |- Steering functions |-steering
> based on policies or L4-7 header
>
> -Functions |
>
>                     |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to
> different gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special
> purposed forwarding}
>
>                     |
>
>                                    |- L4 Service function: {e.g. TCP
> Acceleration, NAT, Firewall,  caching, web }
>
>                                   |
>
>                                   |- L7 Service function {e.g. Web
> Proxy, content filtering, statistics collection, etc}
>
> Functions are performed on a node (or a virtual node).
>
> A Service is a combination of functions being interconnected.
>
>  From user perspective, it is about a sequence of service functions
> interconnected.
>
> Since each service function can have multiple instances, from network
> perspective, it is really the instances of service function being
> interconnected.
>
> *_Hard Questions:_*
>
> ·Many people whom I have talked to during IETF week have stated that NSC
> is about chaining L4-7 service functions.
>
> ·But some people (and a presentation at the NSC BoF) mentioned that NSC
> also includes chaining L2-3 service functions based on various policies,
> does it?
>
> For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is it
> different from I2RS?
>
> ·Should NSC include chaining various “application” modules?
>
> In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7
>   services regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let
> the packets pass through with some level of header changes
>
> *_I think the general NSC problem statement should start with those
> terminologies and state clearly of what components are included. _*
>
> Thanks, Linda Dunbar
>
>
>
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Hi,

That is also my view. The underlying network provides basic connectivity an=
d forwarding based on Layer 2 and Layer 3 information. This connectivity is=
 being used in order to connect the service bringing nodes to one (or more)=
 service chains.

An SDN based approach can be seen as one solution for service chaining; pac=
ket goes to the controller/application, controller builds a path ("flow") b=
ased on packet analyses/classification through the network to connect servi=
ce bringing nodes. But from my understanding this is not the major scope of=
 the discussions we had until now.

It makes sense to have at least a clear understanding from what is in and o=
ut of scope and I think that definitions may help.

  Regards

    Nic

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nsc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Joel=
 M. Halpern
Gesendet: Montag, 5. August 2013 17:33
An: Jim Guichard (jguichar)
Cc: nsc@ietf.org; adrian@olddog.co.uk; mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; Linda =
Dunbar
Betreff: Re: [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and necessary =
components

I think some degree of distinction is useful.

It seems to me that in order for Network service chaining to make sense,
we have to have a network.  So L2 and L3 conventional forwarding (the
base mechanisms) are not within the services being chained.  They are
(part of) the supporting infrastructure.

Similarly, in order to keep our discussion focused, I had thought that
the services under discussion were ones that interacted with the
operator.  Thus, the aspects of SDN or other architectures related to
placing and scaling the network control function (routing control logic,
etc.) while interesting are not within what I had taken to be the scope
of Network Service Chaining.

Even within network service chaining it seems to me important to keep
track of the difference between control protocols and their support on
the one hand, and operations which interact with the subscribers data
packets on the other.  The tools we have and need for manipulating those
two sets are very different.

Yours,
Joel M. Halpern

On 8/5/13 9:01 AM, Jim Guichard (jguichar) wrote:
> Hi Med,
>
> I agree and do not see the necessity to spend oodles of time defining
> terminology; if specific terminology is necessary for a particular
> deployment scenario then it should be defined within use case ID's.
> Having said that I believe the scope of work is wider than just
> enforcing policy-based forwarding through a set of service functions. We
> also need to define the interface for presentation of metadata from/to
> the network and service functions, and between service functions.
>
> From: "mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>" <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>>
> Date: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:32 AM
> To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com
> <mailto:linda.dunbar@huawei.com>>, "nsc@ietf.org <mailto:nsc@ietf.org>"
> <nsc@ietf.org <mailto:nsc@ietf.org>>
> Cc: "adrian@olddog.co.uk <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>"
> <adrian@olddog.co.uk <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>>
> Subject: Re: [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and
> necessary components
>
> Hi Linda,
>
> IMO, we should not go in that path. I would suggest we avoid making any
> assumption on the individual functions. For example, we should not care
> about the layer on which the function acts on. The exact definition of
> each function is specific to each domain: it is deployment-specific.
> Instead, I suggest we scope the work to a very specific problem which
> is: how to enforce policy-based forwarding in which a set of functions
> are invoked in a given order.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Med
>
> *De :*nsc-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org>
> [mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org] *De la part de* Linda Dunbar
> *Envoy=E9 :* samedi 3 ao=FBt 2013 23:12
> *=C0 :* nsc@ietf.org <mailto:nsc@ietf.org>
> *Cc :* adrian@olddog.co.uk <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> *Objet :* [nsc] Critical step of NSC: basic terminologies and necessary
> components
>
> Through the discussions with people from different background at various
> forums/conferences and the NSC BoF, I have heard different
> interpretations of Service Chain:
>
> =B7Some people, especially from router/switch vendor background, may thin=
k
> Service chain as traffic steering based on something that is NOT the
> packets Layer 2-3 header. E.g. policies or Layer 4-7 fields based
> traffic steering.
>
> =B7Some people, especially from Network Appliance background, may think o=
f
> Service Chain as "Middle Boxes" being overplayed over existing network
> infrastructure.
>
> =B7Application developers may think of "Service Chain" as connecting
> various application instances together, such as "Web Server' to "App
> Server" and to "DB Server".
>
> To make everyone on the same page, I think that it is important to
> define some common terminologies. To make it more clear on what
> "services" are chained together and what components are involved, even
> though it is possible that all those services chained together could
> have common architecture & solutions.
>
> Let's first break all "services" into pieces: (granted that multiple
> pieces can exist in one physical/virtual device and can be connected
> together to form a sellable service to clients).
>
> There are:
>
>                                                  |---wires, or virtual li=
nks
>
> -Interconnections: |--
>
>
> |- steering based on L2-3 header
>
>                                    |- Steering functions |-steering
> based on policies or L4-7 header
>
> -Functions |
>
>                     |- L2-3 service functions {e.g. steering traffic to
> different gateway/domains based on dynamic policies to achieve special
> purposed forwarding}
>
>                     |
>
>                                    |- L4 Service function: {e.g. TCP
> Acceleration, NAT, Firewall,  caching, web }
>
>                                   |
>
>                                   |- L7 Service function {e.g. Web
> Proxy, content filtering, statistics collection, etc}
>
> Functions are performed on a node (or a virtual node).
>
> A Service is a combination of functions being interconnected.
>
>  From user perspective, it is about a sequence of service functions
> interconnected.
>
> Since each service function can have multiple instances, from network
> perspective, it is really the instances of service function being
> interconnected.
>
> *_Hard Questions:_*
>
> =B7Many people whom I have talked to during IETF week have stated that NS=
C
> is about chaining L4-7 service functions.
>
> =B7But some people (and a presentation at the NSC BoF) mentioned that NSC
> also includes chaining L2-3 service functions based on various policies,
> does it?
>
> For L2-3 functions chained together based on various policies, how is it
> different from I2RS?
>
> =B7Should NSC include chaining various "application" modules?
>
> In general, most L7 services terminate TCP/UDP sessions. Proxy based L7
>   services regenerate new data flows. And packet based L7 services let
> the packets pass through with some level of header changes
>
> *_I think the general NSC problem statement should start with those
> terminologies and state clearly of what components are included. _*
>
> Thanks, Linda Dunbar
>
>
>
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CFP for Special session on Network Function Virtualization

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Special Session URL:
[TBA]

Network Function Virtualization (NFV) has gained considerable attention bot=
h in academia and industry. This special session calls for recent research,=
 practical experiences, and development lessons in deploying NFV in current=
 and emerging networking environments.

The research can be in NFV range from virtualization of both residential an=
d service provider wireless gateways/access nodes to centralized control fo=
r optical fibers channels and MPLS. There are limitless network functions t=
hat can be virtualized and there are various factors that can impact NFV su=
ch as algorithm for QoS and Security, innovation for new programmable ASIC =
or advanced FPGA. Practical experience on deploying NFV for novel applicati=
ons are particularly welcome especially integrating virtualized network dev=
ices into the existing network.


The contributions requested include but are not limited to:

*.     Cloud or Virtual Residential Gateway
*.     Virtualization of Access Network Function
*.     Programmable Access Technology
*.     Centralized or unified control & management of FTTx
*.     Wholesale of virtual access network
*.     Quality of service in access network virtualization
*.     Service provisioning or generation in virtual access network
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n
*.     Impacts on user experiences


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l research that has not been previously published, and is not currently sub=
mitted for consideration elsewhere. The special session papers will be trea=
ted the same as the main technical track papers in terms of formatting, rev=
iewing, quality control, inclusion into proceedings, author registration an=
d attendance.

Special Session Chair
Chern Nam YAP, Temasek Polytechnic, Singapore
Shucheng LIU, Huawei Technologies, China

Program Committee:
[TBA]


Important dates:
Submission Due: August 30, 2013
Notification of Acceptance: October 4, 2013
Camera-Ready Due: November 1, 2013


Paper Format and Submission:
Format: http://ccnc2014.ieee-ccnc.org/authors
Submission URL: [TBA]

Regards,
Will


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Network Function Virtualization=
 (NFV) has gained considerable attention both in academia and industry. Thi=
s special session calls for recent research, practical experiences, and dev=
elopment lessons in deploying NFV in
 current and emerging networking environments. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The research can be in NFV rang=
e from virtualization of both residential and service provider wireless gat=
eways/access nodes to centralized control for optical fibers channels and M=
PLS. There are limitless network functions
 that can be virtualized and there are various factors that can impact NFV =
such as algorithm for QoS and Security, innovation for new programmable ASI=
C or advanced FPGA. Practical experience on deploying NFV for novel applica=
tions are particularly welcome especially
 integrating virtualized network devices into the existing network. <o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The contributions requested inc=
lude but are not limited to:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Clou=
d or Virtual Residential Gateway<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Virt=
ualization of Access Network Function<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Prog=
rammable Access Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cent=
ralized or unified control &amp; management of FTTx<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Whol=
esale of virtual access network<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Qual=
ity of service in access network virtualization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Serv=
ice provisioning or generation in virtual access network<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Coex=
istent of virtualized and non-virtualized access network function<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Impa=
cts on user experiences<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We encourage submissions of hig=
h-quality technical papers reporting original research that has not been pr=
eviously published, and is not currently submitted for consideration elsewh=
ere. The special session papers will
 be treated the same as the main technical track papers in terms of formatt=
ing, reviewing, quality control, inclusion into proceedings, author registr=
ation and attendance.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Special Session Chair <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Chern Nam YAP, Temasek Polytech=
nic, Singapore<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Shucheng LIU, Huawei Technologi=
es, China<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Program Committee: <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">[TBA] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Important dates: <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Submission Due: August 30, 2013=
 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Notification of Acceptance: Oct=
ober 4, 2013
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Camera-Ready Due: November 1, 2=
013 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Paper Format and Submission: <o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Format: http://ccnc2014.ieee-cc=
nc.org/authors
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Submission URL: [TBA]<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Will<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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Hi NSC list,

Sorry for the delay in this email - I took a short break after Berlin.

Thanks for the focus and effort that went into the NSC BoF in Berlin. Thanks in
particular to Thomas and Jim for their work herding the ducks and delivering the
BoF that the IESG asked for. Special mention for Jim in being so cool turning up
to chair the BoF after a complete travel nightmare.

I believe that the BoF delivered what the IESG had hoped to see. That is, it
allowed a number of network operators from a broad spectrum of network types to
describe the problem space that they are interested in.

It was clear to me that there is strong interest among network operators in
investigating the concept of service chaining, and among equipment vendors and
solution providers in addressing the requirements. This is very promising for
the potential of forming critical mass around working in this area.

However, it was less clear to me that there is agreement about the layer in
which service chaining has to be solved. I felt that some people were talking
about service chaining in the application layer, some about service chaining
based on flows, and some about per-packet services. The solutions are, I think,
likely to be very different for the different problems, and it would be wrong to
try to bunch them all together.

Since it is clear that a lot of people want to work on this, the next step must
be to get a little more focus. This could be a small amount of work, and we may
find that consensus comes quickly and easily. But it may also mean that some of
the use cases need to be discarded - that doesn't mean that they are not valid,
only that they don't fit into the focused effort that may become a working
group.

I suggest that the next steps (in no particular order) are as follows:
- Everyone should revise their drafts. Add clarity and focus. Merge with other
drafts if appropriate.
- Look for missing work. Is there a need for a simple and clear over-arching
document? Terminology? Figures? Work cooperatively to fill the gaps.
- Use the mailing list to narrow down and reach agreement on what you want to
work on.
- Start a thread on a potential WG charter. Maybe a couple of you (the BoF
chairs?) could agree to hold the pen and make a first draft? Try to get the text
lean and tight. Try to get consensus.
- Start to plan for a WG-forming BoF. Look carefully at the dates for the next
IETF (IETF-88, Vancouver) and decide whether the deadline is too tight. Recall
that going off half-cocked does no-one any favors. See whether you can get
everything ready in time.
- Apply to the IAB for a BoF shepherd. This is an IAB member who will give you
dedicated time and advice to help focus the technical effort and prepare for a
successful WG-forming BoF.

We do not, at this stage, need to worry about where within the IETF structure
this work will sit. Let's continue to pursue the effort within the Routing Area,
and defer discussion about where it will live until we have a better handle on
the description of the problem.

Don't forget that you can review the BoF via the Meetecho archive, the usual
audio archive, and the online materials.

Please come back to me with any questions.

Thanks,
Adrian


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Hi,

Though you probably know about it, I think this can be of interest to those=
 around the NSC idea...

Begin forwarded message:

From: Vyas Sekar <vyas.sekar@gmail.com<mailto:vyas.sekar@gmail.com>>
Subject: HotMiddlebox workshop co-located with ACM CoNext 2013
Date: 1 August 2013 02:27:04.000 GMT+02:00
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Cc: Felipe Huici <Felipe.Huici@neclab.eu<mailto:Felipe.Huici@neclab.eu>>

Dear colleague,

We would really appreciate your help to spread the word about the HotMiddle=
box workshop co-located with ACM CoNext 2013 at your institutions and  amon=
g colleagues you know working in the space of middleboxes and network funct=
ion virtualization for whom this would be a good fit to submit early stage =
research.

Below is a small blurb with the key information and we have also attached t=
he full CFP as a PDF.

Thanks for your help!

Felipe Huici (NEC Europe) and Vyas Sekar (StonyBrook University)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----------------------------

Workshop URL: http://conferences.sigcomm.org/co-next/2013/workshops/HotMidd=
lebox/index.html

Workshop Deadline: Aug 30, 2013, 5 pm ET

Submission format: 6 pages (including refs), ACM two-column conference 10 p=
t

Workshop submission site: http://hotmbox.wings.cs.sunysb.edu/2013/index.php

Text CFP:

Modern networks increasingly rely on advanced network processing functions =
for a wide spectrum of crucial functions ranging from security (firewalls, =
IDSes, traffic scrubbers), traffic shaping (rate limiters, load balancers),=
 dealing with address space exhaustion (NATs) or improving the performance =
of network applications (traffic accelerators, caches, proxies), to name a =
few. Such "network appliances" or "middleboxes" are a critical piece of the=
 network infrastructure and represent, to a first-order approximation, the =
de-facto approach for network evolution in response to changing performance=
, security, and policy compliance requirements.
However, most of this functionality is implemented in costly, hard-to-modif=
y dedicated hardware, making the network difficult to evolve or adapt to ch=
anging traffic requirements. Recent work seeks to address this issue by shi=
fting network processing from a world of dedicated hardware to one built on=
 software-based processing running on (sometimes virtualized and shared) pl=
atforms built on commodity hardware servers, switches, and storage. This vi=
sion of "software-based" network services enables new in-network functions =
to be rapidly instantiated, on-demand, and at places in the network where i=
t is most needed, without having to modify the underlying hardware. The sco=
pe of this workshop focuses both on the design of the data plane to support=
 advanced services as well as the control plane functions necessary to mana=
ge these advanced data plane functions. In some sense, this vision is compl=
ementary to ongoing efforts in the SDN community, where the focus has large=
ly been on the control plane and assuming a commodity data plane.

The HotMiddlebox workshop will serve as an avenue to showcase and discuss o=
ngoing work from both academic and industry efforts in this space and to id=
entify key challenges and potential solutions, with the ultimate goal of pr=
oviding a roadmap for practical deployment in operational networks.
We encourage the submission of work-in-progress papers in the area of middl=
ebox design, implementation, measurement, management, and deployment. We lo=
ok for submissions of previously unpublished work on topics including, but =
not limited to, the following:

  *   Performance optimizations of network stacks on virtualized systems
  *   Verification of unknown code running on shared middlebox platforms
  *   Extensible software stacks for rapid implementation of new middlebox =
functions
  *   Mechanisms for migration of stateful middleboxes
  *   Resource allocation mechanisms for shared/virtualized middlebox platf=
orms
  *   Integrating new software middleboxes into legacy networks
  *   Backend storage/memory architectures for middleboxes
  *   Management abstractions and policy language frameworks for middleboxe=
s
  *   Experiences in deploying software-based middleboxes in operational ne=
tworks
  *   Connections to Software-Defined Networking
  *   Deployment and use of middleboxes in the cloud
  *   Measurements of middleboxes in enterprise, ISP, and data center netwo=
rks.
  *   Novel security, performance, and monitoring applications atop middleb=
oxes
  *   Challenges for policy verification in the context of middlebox servic=
es.

PDF CFP:  Attached






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<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hi,
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<div>Though you probably know about it, I think this can be of interest to =
those around the NSC idea...<br>
<div><br>
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eft:0px">
<span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium"><b>From: </b></sp=
an><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium">Vyas Sekar &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:vyas.sekar@gmail.com">vyas.sekar@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
</span></div>
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<span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium"><b>Subject: </b><=
/span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium"><b>HotMiddl=
ebox workshop co-located with ACM CoNext 2013</b><br>
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<span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium"><b>Date: </b></sp=
an><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium">1 August 2013 =
02:27:04.000 GMT&#43;02:00<br>
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<span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium"><b>To: </b></span=
><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium">undisclosed-reci=
pients:;<br>
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<span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium"><b>Cc: </b></span=
><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium">Felipe Huici &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:Felipe.Huici@neclab.eu">Felipe.Huici@neclab.eu</a>&gt;<b=
r>
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<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Dear colleague,<br>
<br>
We would really appreciate your help to spread the word about the HotMiddle=
box workshop co-located with ACM CoNext 2013 at your institutions and&nbsp;=
 among colleagues you know working in the space of middleboxes and network =
function virtualization for whom this
 would be a good fit to submit early stage research.<br>
<br>
Below is a small blurb with the key information and we have also attached t=
he full CFP as a PDF.<br>
<br>
Thanks for your help!<br>
<br>
Felipe Huici (NEC Europe) and Vyas Sekar (StonyBrook University)<br>
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<u><b>Workshop URL</b></u>: <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"ht=
tp://conferences.sigcomm.org/co-next/2013/workshops/HotMiddlebox/index.html=
">
http://conferences.sigcomm.org/co-next/2013/workshops/HotMiddlebox/index.ht=
ml</a><br>
<u><b><br>
</b></u><u><b>Workshop Deadline:</b></u> Aug 30, 2013, 5 pm ET<br>
<br>
<u><b>Submission format:</b></u> 6 pages (including refs), ACM two-column c=
onference 10 pt
<br>
<br>
<u><b>Workshop submission site:</b></u> <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext=
" href=3D"http://hotmbox.wings.cs.sunysb.edu/2013/index.php">
http://hotmbox.wings.cs.sunysb.edu/2013/index.php</a><br>
<br>
<u><b>Text CFP: </b></u><br>
<br>
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dding-left:0px; margin-top:0px; margin-right:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin=
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,Helvetica,Verdana,'Bitstream Vera Sans',sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-s=
tyle:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal=
; line-height:15.359375px; text-align:left; text-transform:none; white-spac=
e:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Modern networks increasingly rely on advanced network processing functions =
for a wide spectrum of crucial functions ranging from security (firewalls, =
IDSes, traffic scrubbers), traffic shaping (rate limiters, load balancers),=
 dealing with address space exhaustion
 (NATs) or improving the performance of network applications (traffic accel=
erators, caches, proxies), to name a few. Such &quot;network appliances&quo=
t; or &quot;middleboxes&quot; are a critical piece of the network infrastru=
cture and represent, to a first-order approximation,
 the de-facto approach for network evolution in response to changing perfor=
mance, security, and policy compliance requirements.</div>
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dding-left:0px; margin-top:0px; margin-right:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin=
-left:0px; text-indent:0px; color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:'Gill Sans',Arial=
,Helvetica,Verdana,'Bitstream Vera Sans',sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-s=
tyle:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal=
; line-height:15.359375px; text-align:left; text-transform:none; white-spac=
e:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
However, most of this functionality is implemented in costly, hard-to-modif=
y dedicated hardware, making the network difficult to evolve or adapt to ch=
anging traffic requirements. Recent work seeks to address this issue by shi=
fting network processing from a
 world of dedicated hardware to one built on software-based processing runn=
ing on (sometimes virtualized and shared) platforms built on commodity hard=
ware servers, switches, and storage. This vision of &quot;software-based&qu=
ot; network services enables new in-network
 functions to be rapidly instantiated, on-demand, and at places in the netw=
ork where it is most needed, without having to modify the underlying hardwa=
re. The scope of this workshop focuses both on the design of the data plane=
 to support advanced services as
 well as the control plane functions necessary to manage these advanced dat=
a plane functions. In some sense, this vision is complementary to ongoing e=
fforts in the SDN community, where the focus has largely been on the contro=
l plane and assuming a commodity
 data plane.<br>
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0,0,0); font-family:'Gill Sans',Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,'Bitstream Vera San=
s',sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font=
-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:15.359375px; orphans:aut=
o; text-align:left; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; w=
ord-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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dding-left:0px; margin-top:0px; margin-right:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin=
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,Helvetica,Verdana,'Bitstream Vera Sans',sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-s=
tyle:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal=
; line-height:15.359375px; text-align:left; text-transform:none; white-spac=
e:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
The HotMiddlebox workshop will serve as an avenue to showcase and discuss o=
ngoing work from both academic and industry efforts in this space and to id=
entify key challenges and potential solutions, with the ultimate goal of pr=
oviding a roadmap for practical
 deployment in operational networks.</div>
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dding-left:0px; margin-top:0px; margin-right:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin=
-left:0px; text-indent:0px; color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:'Gill Sans',Arial=
,Helvetica,Verdana,'Bitstream Vera Sans',sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-s=
tyle:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal=
; line-height:15.359375px; text-align:left; text-transform:none; white-spac=
e:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
We encourage the submission of work-in-progress papers in the area of middl=
ebox design, implementation, measurement, management, and deployment. We lo=
ok for submissions of previously unpublished work on topics including, but =
not limited to, the following:</div>
<ul style=3D"padding:0px 0px 0.75em 1.5em; margin:2px 0px 16px; text-indent=
:0px; color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:'Gill Sans',Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,'Bi=
tstream Vera Sans',sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-vari=
ant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; line-height:15.35937=
5px; orphans:auto; text-align:left; text-transform:none; white-space:normal=
; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Performance optimiza=
tions of network stacks on virtualized systems
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Verification of=
 unknown code running on shared middlebox platforms
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Extensible soft=
ware stacks for rapid implementation of new middlebox functions
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Mechanisms for =
migration of stateful middleboxes
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Resource alloca=
tion mechanisms for shared/virtualized middlebox platforms
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Integrating new=
 software middleboxes into legacy networks
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Backend storage=
/memory architectures for middleboxes
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Management abst=
ractions and policy language frameworks for middleboxes
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Experiences in =
deploying software-based middleboxes in operational networks
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Connections to =
Software-Defined Networking
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Deployment and =
use of middleboxes in the cloud
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Measurements of=
 middleboxes in enterprise, ISP, and data center networks.
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Novel security,=
 performance, and monitoring applications atop middleboxes
</li><li style=3D"padding:0px; margin:0px; text-indent:0px">Challenges for =
policy verification in the context of middlebox services.
</li></ul>
<u><b>PDF CFP:&nbsp; </b></u>Attached <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Dear all,

We submitted this new requirements draft.
Comments and contributions are more than welcome.

Cheers,
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Objet : I-D Action: draft-boucadair-chaining-requirements-00.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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        Title           : Requirements for Network Function Chaining
        Author(s)       : Mohamed Boucadair
                          Christian Jacquenet
                          Ron Parker
        Filename        : draft-boucadair-chaining-requirements-00.txt
        Pages           : 8
        Date            : 2013-08-15

Abstract:
   This document identifies the requirements for the Network Function
   Chaining.  This effort is a companion document to the Network
   Chaining Framework defined in
   [I-D.boucadair-network-function-chaining].



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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Hello Hujie and Will ,

two more cents regarding the discussion.

For 1), there are many good examples of service nodes (In additional
to Will's list, there are LB/VPN/ALG), but where they are virtualized
or overlay-ed are orthogonal to the use cases the draft would like to
describe.

For 2), using vswitch to deploy service chain is one vivid example

Best regards,
-czh/cmcc

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Will Liu (Shucheng)
<liushucheng@huawei.com> wrote:
> Hi Hu Jie,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your comments. The points you=E2=80=99ve listed are non-trivia=
l. Let me
> try to answer them:
>
> 1)      IMHO, the service nodes include those functions that operators ar=
e
> able and willing to connected to form services by service chains, such as
> NAT, DPI, Fire Wall, etc. We=E2=80=99ve mentioned some in our use case dr=
aft. If
> it=E2=80=99s necessary, I will invite our co-authors to add one use case =
to
> elaborate the use cases for service nodes together. We will be very glad =
if
> you can help us in providing detailed service node use cases.
>
> 2)      The deployment is also a very important thing for service chain. =
Now
> given that the final charter has not been decided yet, and as Adrian said=
,
> it was less clear to me that there is agreement about the layer in which
> service chaining has to be solved, so for this point, there might be seve=
ral
> possibilities. One na=C3=AFve use I can easily case is the service chain =
can be
> deployed at the where the BNG is deployed, between the metro and CR. I wi=
ll
> try to add a figure to illustrate this later. If you have some other idea=
,
> please let me know.
>
>
>
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> Hi Will,
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> going to be virtualized.
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> 2) How is the service chain deployed in an operator's network?
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Hi  Jim and Thomas et al

Thanks much for moving NSC along. I do have some suggestions on the next st=
eps - i.e.  is that towards the WG sessions (in Vancouver ?) , one main  fo=
cus could be documenting some well defined use cases - especially from the =
network operators'  point of view. Closest I found so far seems to be http:=
//datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-liu-service-chaining-use-cases/?include_te=
xt=3D1 but it has a few examples only (at least at this point in time).  It=
 would be helpful to have  more use cases from a larger set of network oper=
ators. I also suggest that in collecting and documenting these use cases, w=
e be "strict" to ourselves to state the use cases in some level of detail a=
nd not jump into Architecture and even implementation details.

Thanks

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use cases &#8211; especially from the network operators&#8217; &nbsp;point =
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aining-use-cases/?include_text=3D1</a></span></u> but it has a few examples=
 only (at least at this point in time). &nbsp;It would be helpful to have &=
nbsp;more use cases from a larger set of network operators. I also suggest =
that in collecting and documenting these use cases, we be &#8220;strict&#82=
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Hi Sean,

I think the problem with use cases is that there are so many of them and in=
 a lot of cases will be specific to a given operators deployment choices. T=
rying to document them all serves little purpose other than informational i=
mho.  Having said that we will have high level use cases in the problem sta=
tement draft. For more detailed use cases I think we will probably see a se=
t of drafts that are relevant to specific deployment environments such as m=
obility, DC, etc, and I think that is the right approach.

From: Sean Yiu <syiu@Brocade.com<mailto:syiu@Brocade.com>>
Date: Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:20 PM
To: Microsoft Office User <jguichar@cisco.com<mailto:jguichar@cisco.com>>, =
"tnarten@us.ibm.com<mailto:tnarten@us.ibm.com>" <tnarten@us.ibm.com<mailto:=
tnarten@us.ibm.com>>
Cc: "nsc@ietf.org<mailto:nsc@ietf.org>" <nsc@ietf.org<mailto:nsc@ietf.org>>
Subject: More well defined Use Cases for NSC

Hi  Jim and Thomas et al

Thanks much for moving NSC along. I do have some suggestions on the next st=
eps =96 i.e.  is that towards the WG sessions (in Vancouver ?) , one main  =
focus could be documenting some well defined use cases =96 especially from =
the network operators=92  point of view. Closest I found so far seems to be=
 http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-liu-service-chaining-use-cases/?incl=
ude_text=3D1 but it has a few examples only (at least at this point in time=
).  It would be helpful to have  more use cases from a larger set of networ=
k operators. I also suggest that in collecting and documenting these use ca=
ses, we be =93strict=94 to ourselves to state the use cases in some level o=
f detail and not jump into Architecture and even implementation details.

Thanks

Sean


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi &nbsp;Jim and Thomas et al<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks much for moving NSC along. I do have some sug=
gestions on the next steps =96 i.e. &nbsp;is that towards the WG sessions (=
in Vancouver ?) , one main &nbsp;focus could be documenting some well defin=
ed use cases =96 especially from the network operators=92
 &nbsp;point of view. Closest I found so far seems to be <u><span style=3D"=
color:blue"><a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-liu-service-ch=
aining-use-cases/?include_text=3D1">http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-l=
iu-service-chaining-use-cases/?include_text=3D1</a></span></u>
 but it has a few examples only (at least at this point in time). &nbsp;It =
would be helpful to have &nbsp;more use cases from a larger set of network =
operators. I also suggest that in collecting and documenting these use case=
s, we be =93strict=94 to ourselves to state the
 use cases in some level of detail and not jump into Architecture and even =
implementation details.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Sean<o:p></o:p></p>
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Dear all,

A new version of the requirements draft is now available online. The main c=
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* Enrich the document with inputs from draft-li-service-chaining-requiremen=
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* Add new security-related requirements.
* Re-order the requirements

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	Title           : Requirements for Service Function Chaining
	Author(s)       : Mohamed Boucadair
                          Christian Jacquenet
                          Yuanlong Jiang
                          Hongyu Li
                          Ron Parker
	Filename        : draft-boucadair-chaining-requirements-01.txt
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	Date            : 2013-08-22

Abstract:
   This document identifies the requirements for the Service Function
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Call For Papers

IEEE Consumer Communications and Networking Conference (CCNC), Special sess=
ion on Network Function Virtualization

Special Session URL:
http://ccnc2014.ieee-ccnc.org/call-for-submissions/call-special-sessions#ne=
tworkfunction-virt

Network Function Virtualization (NFV) has gained considerable attention bot=
h in academia and industry. This special session calls for recent research,=
 practical experiences, and development lessons in deploying NFV in current=
 and emerging networking environments.

The research can be in NFV range from virtualization of both residential an=
d service provider wireless gateways/access nodes to centralized control fo=
r optical fibers channels and MPLS. There are limitless network functions t=
hat can be virtualized and there are various factors that can impact NFV su=
ch as algorithm for QoS and Security, innovation for new programmable ASIC =
or advanced FPGA. Practical experience on deploying NFV for novel applicati=
ons are particularly welcome especially integrating virtualized network dev=
ices into the existing network.


The contributions requested include but are not limited to:

*.     Cloud or Virtual Residential Gateway
*.     Virtualization of Access Network Function
*.     Programmable Access Technology
*.     Centralized or unified control & management of FTTx
*.     Wholesale of virtual access network
*.     Quality of service in access network virtualization
*.     Service provisioning or generation in virtual access network
*.     Coexistent of virtualized and non-virtualized access network functio=
n
*.     Impacts on user experiences


We encourage submissions of high-quality technical papers reporting origina=
l research that has not been previously published, and is not currently sub=
mitted for consideration elsewhere. The special session papers will be trea=
ted the same as the main technical track papers in terms of formatting, rev=
iewing, quality control, inclusion into proceedings, author registration an=
d attendance.

Special Session Chair
Dr. Chern Nam YAP, Temasek Polytechnic, Singapore
Dr. Shucheng LIU, Huawei Technologies, China
Ms. Tina TSOU, Huawei Technologies, USA

Technical Program Committee:
Dr. Diego R. Lopez, Telefonica I+D, Spain
Mr. Fred Feisullin, Sprint CTO Group, USA
Dr. Marcus Brunner, Swisscom, Switzerland
Dr. Igor Faynberg, Alcatel-Lucent and Stevens Institute of Technology
Mr. Zvika Bronstein, Huawei Technologies, Israel
Prof. Chunming Qiao, University at Buffalo, USA
Prof. Hongfang Yu, University of Electronic Sci. & Tech. of China, China
Dr. Yong Cui, Tsinghua University, China
Dr. Xianfeng LI, School of ECE, Peking University, China
Dr. Jin Wang, Soochow University, China
Mr. Yong Huang, Huawei Technologies, China
Mr. Robin Zheng, Huawei Technologies, China
Ms. Linda Dunbar, Huawei Technologies, USA


Important dates:
Submission Due: September 13, 2013
Notification of Acceptance: October 4, 2013
Camera-Ready Due: November 1, 2013


Paper Format and Submission:
Format: http://ccnc2014.ieee-ccnc.org/authors
Submission URL: http://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=3D14867


Regards,
Shucheng LIU (Will)

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 practical experiences, and development lessons in deploying NFV in current=
 and emerging networking environments.

The research can be in NFV range from virtualization of both residential an=
d service provider wireless gateways/access nodes to centralized control fo=
r optical fibers channels and MPLS. There are limitless network functions t=
hat can be virtualized and there are various factors that can impact NFV su=
ch as algorithm for QoS and Security, innovation for new programmable ASIC =
or advanced FPGA. Practical experience on deploying NFV for novel applicati=
ons are particularly welcome especially integrating virtualized network dev=
ices into the existing network.


The contributions requested include but are not limited to:

*.     Cloud or Virtual Residential Gateway
*.     Virtualization of Access Network Function
*.     Programmable Access Technology
*.     Centralized or unified control & management of FTTx
*.     Wholesale of virtual access network
*.     Quality of service in access network virtualization
*.     Service provisioning or generation in virtual access network
*.     Coexistent of virtualized and non-virtualized access network functio=
n
*.     Impacts on user experiences


We encourage submissions of high-quality technical papers reporting origina=
l research that has not been previously published, and is not currently sub=
mitted for consideration elsewhere. The special session papers will be trea=
ted the same as the main technical track papers in terms of formatting, rev=
iewing, quality control, inclusion into proceedings, author registration an=
d attendance.

Special Session Chair
Chern Nam YAP, Temasek Polytechnic, Singapore
Shucheng LIU, Huawei Technologies, China

Program Committee:
[TBA]


Important dates:
Submission Due: August 30, 2013
Notification of Acceptance: October 4, 2013
Camera-Ready Due: November 1, 2013


Paper Format and Submission:
Format: http://ccnc2014.ieee-ccnc.org/authors
Submission URL: [TBA]

Regards,
Will


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Call Fo=
r Papers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">IEEE Co=
nsumer Communications and Networking Conference (CCNC), Special session on =
Network Function Virtualization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Special=
 Session URL:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=
=3D"http://ccnc2014.ieee-ccnc.org/call-for-submissions/call-special-session=
s#networkfunction-virt">http://ccnc2014.ieee-ccnc.org/call-for-submissions/=
call-special-sessions#networkfunction-virt</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Network=
 Function Virtualization (NFV) has gained considerable attention both in ac=
ademia and industry. This special session calls for recent research, practi=
cal experiences, and development lessons
 in deploying NFV in current and emerging networking environments. <o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">The res=
earch can be in NFV range from virtualization of both residential and servi=
ce provider wireless gateways/access nodes to centralized control for optic=
al fibers channels and MPLS. There are
 limitless network functions that can be virtualized and there are various =
factors that can impact NFV such as algorithm for QoS and Security, innovat=
ion for new programmable ASIC or advanced FPGA. Practical experience on dep=
loying NFV for novel applications
 are particularly welcome especially integrating virtualized network device=
s into the existing network.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">The con=
tributions requested include but are not limited to:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">*.&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cloud or Virtual Residential Gateway<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">*.&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Virtualization of Access Network Function<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">*.&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Programmable Access Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">*.&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Centralized or unified control &amp; management of FTTx=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">*.&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Wholesale of virtual access network<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">*.&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Quality of service in access network virtualization<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">*.&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Service provisioning or generation in virtual access ne=
twork<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">*.&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Coexistent of virtualized and non-virtualized access ne=
twork function<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">*.&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Impacts on user experiences<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">We enco=
urage submissions of high-quality technical papers reporting original resea=
rch that has not been previously published, and is not currently submitted =
for consideration elsewhere. The special
 session papers will be treated the same as the main technical track papers=
 in terms of formatting, reviewing, quality control, inclusion into proceed=
ings, author registration and attendance.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Special=
 Session Chair
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dr. Che=
rn Nam YAP, Temasek Polytechnic, Singapore<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dr. Shu=
cheng LIU, Huawei Technologies, China<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Ms. Tin=
a TSOU, Huawei Technologies, USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Technic=
al Program Committee:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dr. Die=
go R. Lopez, Telefonica I&#43;D, Spain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mr. Fre=
d Feisullin, Sprint CTO Group, USA
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dr. Mar=
cus Brunner, Swisscom, Switzerland<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dr. Igo=
r Faynberg, Alcatel-Lucent and Stevens Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mr. Zvi=
ka Bronstein, Huawei Technologies, Israel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Prof. C=
hunming Qiao, University at Buffalo, USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Prof. H=
ongfang Yu, University of Electronic Sci. &amp; Tech. of China, China<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dr. Yon=
g Cui, Tsinghua University, China<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dr. Xia=
nfeng LI, School of ECE, Peking University, China<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Dr. Jin=
 Wang, Soochow University, China<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mr. Yon=
g Huang, Huawei Technologies, China<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mr. Rob=
in Zheng, Huawei Technologies, China<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Ms. Lin=
da Dunbar, Huawei Technologies, USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Importa=
nt dates: <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Submiss=
ion Due: September 13, 2013
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Notific=
ation of Acceptance: October 4, 2013
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Camera-=
Ready Due: November 1, 2013
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Paper F=
ormat and Submission:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Format:=
 <a href=3D"http://ccnc2014.ieee-ccnc.org/authors">
http://ccnc2014.ieee-ccnc.org/authors</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Submiss=
ion URL: <a href=3D"http://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=3D14867">
http://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=3D14867</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Shuchen=
g LIU (Will)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> nsc-bounces@=
ietf.org [mailto:nsc-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Liu (Shucheng)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 09, 2013 2:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nsc@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [nsc] CFP: IEEE CCNC, 2014: Special session on Network Func=
tion Virtualization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"left" style=3D"text-align:left"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">IEEE Consumer Communications=
 and Networking Conference (CCNC), 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">CFP for Special session on N=
etwork Function Virtualization
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Special Session URL: <o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">[TBA] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Network Function Virtualization=
 (NFV) has gained considerable attention both in academia and industry. Thi=
s special session calls for recent research, practical experiences, and dev=
elopment lessons in deploying NFV in
 current and emerging networking environments. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The research can be in NFV rang=
e from virtualization of both residential and service provider wireless gat=
eways/access nodes to centralized control for optical fibers channels and M=
PLS. There are limitless network functions
 that can be virtualized and there are various factors that can impact NFV =
such as algorithm for QoS and Security, innovation for new programmable ASI=
C or advanced FPGA. Practical experience on deploying NFV for novel applica=
tions are particularly welcome especially
 integrating virtualized network devices into the existing network. <o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The contributions requested inc=
lude but are not limited to:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Clou=
d or Virtual Residential Gateway<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Virt=
ualization of Access Network Function<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Prog=
rammable Access Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cent=
ralized or unified control &amp; management of FTTx<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Whol=
esale of virtual access network<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Qual=
ity of service in access network virtualization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Serv=
ice provisioning or generation in virtual access network<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Coex=
istent of virtualized and non-virtualized access network function<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">*.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Impa=
cts on user experiences<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We encourage submissions of hig=
h-quality technical papers reporting original research that has not been pr=
eviously published, and is not currently submitted for consideration elsewh=
ere. The special session papers will
 be treated the same as the main technical track papers in terms of formatt=
ing, reviewing, quality control, inclusion into proceedings, author registr=
ation and attendance.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Special Session Chair <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Chern Nam YAP, Temasek Polytech=
nic, Singapore<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Shucheng LIU, Huawei Technologi=
es, China<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Program Committee: <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">[TBA] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Important dates: <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Submission Due: August 30, 2013=
 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Notification of Acceptance: Oct=
ober 4, 2013
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Camera-Ready Due: November 1, 2=
013 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Paper Format and Submission: <o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Format: http://ccnc2014.ieee-cc=
nc.org/authors
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Submission URL: [TBA]<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Will<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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