From ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 10 05:10:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8Bju-0002xb-Hf; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:10:34 -0400 Received: from ops-area by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I8Bjr-0002w4-0L for ops-area-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:10:31 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8Bjm-0002jy-HV for ops-area@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:10:26 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.159]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8Bjf-0007d5-9G for ops-area@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:10:26 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.17.35]) by bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:09:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:09:54 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.17.200 by by111fd.bay111.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:09:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [202.114.46.114] X-Originating-Email: [xuhui_1004@hotmail.com] X-Sender: xuhui_1004@hotmail.com From: "xu hui" To: ops-area@ietf.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:09:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2007 09:09:54.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[14748610:01C7C2D2] X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Subject: [OPS-AREA] Evaluation on Modeling Languages for Generic Network Management Data Models X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1945810105==" Errors-To: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org --===============1945810105== Content-Type: text/html; charset=gb2312; format=flowed

Hello,
        
We have uploaded an Internet draft about data modeling for
network management. It can be found here:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xiao-evaluate-dml-00.txt

We are Debao Xiao and Hui Xu. Debao Xiao is a professor at
Institute of Computer Network and Communication, HuaZhong
Normal University (www.ccnu.edu.cn) and Hui Xu is his doctor
candidate. Professor Xiao has many years of experience
in the area of network management and we are now working in
a research project (funded by both the key scientific and
technological project of Wuhan city in P. R. China and
the key scientific and technological project of Hubei province
in P.R. China) about next generation network management and
security management.

In some scenarios, the multiplicity of network management models
implies the use of multiple management data modeling languages,
which model the resources to be managed. Each language differs in
the level of various capabilities and expressiveness, most of
which are not easily measured. One of the activities in this project
has then been to address the problem about how to establish a
framework of evaluation to compare different management data modeling
languages based on a set of criteria.

Another aim of our project is to prospect the essentail features of
future data modeling language based on proposed framework of evaluation,
since existing ones have drawbacks of different levels, which hinder
them in adapting to the requirements of next generation network management.

We have demonstrated the most important part of our proposed criteria in
this draft, which are modeling approaches, expressiveness, readability,
interoperability, extensibility and others, and have also presented some
perspectives on developing future data modeling languages for next
generation network management, possibly integrating existing ones. The
characteristics of existing data modeling languages are then summarized
through comparison based on given criteria for evaluation.

We hope our work can contribute to any future work on
data modeling for next generation network management.

If there is significant interest, we would be happy to give
a presentation of this Internet draft in Wuhan, P. R. China.
       
Best regards,
Debao Xiao and Hui Xu


Ãâ·ÑÏÂÔØ MSN Explorer Get 2 months FREE*. --===============1945810105== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area --===============1945810105==-- From ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 10 14:16:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8KFz-0004Xw-Tg; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:16:15 -0400 Received: from ops-area by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I8KFy-0004R2-5V for ops-area-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:16:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8KFx-0004PB-OL for ops-area@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:16:13 -0400 Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.100] helo=co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8KFx-0006A8-K9 for ops-area@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:16:13 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2007 14:16:12 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,523,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="40705258:sNHT6073422" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:15:30 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Open OPS Area Office Hours in Chicago Thread-Index: AcfDHky6JOoiVzFIQ222+w8Hvb+k+w== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Subject: [OPS-AREA] Open OPS Area Office Hours in Chicago X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org As we do at all IETF meetings the OPS Area Directors will be available at open office hours to discuss new ideas, status of current work, and any other problem related to the OPS area and IETF business. The open hours will be scheduled as follows:=20 Monday 7/23 9-11:30AM=20 Wednesday 7/25 4:10-5PM=20 Thursday 7/26 4:10-5PM=20 Meeting Rooms TBD - will be communicated later.=20 Ron and Dan =20 =20 _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 14 23:42:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I9uzg-0006du-Un; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:42:00 -0400 Received: from ops-area by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I9uze-0006cZ-Qd for ops-area-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:41:58 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I9uze-0006cR-Et for ops-area@ietf.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:41:58 -0400 Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com ([216.82.241.195]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I9uzX-0003pw-3U for ops-area@ietf.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:41:58 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1184470909!18434447!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.53] Received: (qmail 25311 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2007 03:41:50 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlph073.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.53) by server-12.tower-121.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 15 Jul 2007 03:41:50 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlph073.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6F3fnXJ021402 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:41:49 -0400 Received: from mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com (mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com [144.155.224.139]) by mlph073.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6F3fgiM021375 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:41:46 -0400 Received: from sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6F3fgCf026937 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:41:42 -0400 Received: from maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6F3fZO2026876 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:41:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200707150341.l6F3fZO2026876@mlph070.sfdc.sbc.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (unknown[135.210.128.46](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20070715034134gw10010g2ee>; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:41:34 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:38:40 -0400 To: Daryl Malas , ops-area@ietf.org From: Al Morton Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] BOF: Applications Performance Management (APM) BOF In-Reply-To: <1182352980.16393.14.camel@montag.eng.level3.com> References: <662C3EB2067DD64FBB2CDA77CD2B1A5601C82429@MCHP7R6A.ww002.siemens.net> <1182352980.16393.14.camel@montag.eng.level3.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Cc: X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Hi Daryl, Thanks for your comments, here's the on-list response. (Now that the drafts are out-there, it can be more complete. We've exchanged some messages off list, so you knew this was coming.) At 11:23 AM 6/20/2007, Daryl Malas wrote: >IMO, I completely agree there is a gap in the IETF for this type of >work, and I absolutely think an APM Directorate is the right approach. >There are only two drafts associated with this BOF at this point. It >does not appear there are a lot of other drafts in the pipeline for this >work. Since this is the case, I don't see a need to create a new >working group for 1 or 2 drafts. The APM agenda lists more than two now: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/agenda/apm.txt - draft-malas-performance-metrics-07.txt - draft-venna-ippm-app-loss-metrics-00.txt - draft-ietf-avt-rtcpxr-video-01.txt - draft-ietf-avt-rtcpxr-audio-00.txt - draft-ietf-avt-rtcphr-01.txt - draft-xie-ccamp-lsp-dppm-01.txt - draft-kikuchi-passive-measure-00.txt IDR Stability Performance (draft?) (There is a Liaison statement on this topic, at least: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/237/ ) >Unfortunately, I don't think this type >of work is "sexy" from an IETF perspective. I am concerned if a working >group is created, this type of work will not receive the necessary >visibility to be successful and truly valuable. It's a valid concern. Performance metric definition has never been "sexy". The work in IPPM and BMWG is carried out by small but dedicated core groups, and a healthy influx of new people with work proposals. Can this "performance community" sustain a third chartered activity? That's what we hope to learn in the BOF. However, it seems to me that forming a working group would tend to increase the visibility (more so than an APM Directorate), if this move is warranted. >On the flip side, I >also know that it will take up time within the existing working groups, >but I think those are the right locations to get a temperature reading >on their value. In either case (WG or directorate), it would be a necessary step to have the proposal reviewed by the associated protocol development WG, and then develop the draft(s) in partnership with the protocol experts. Al _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 22 14:45:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgPF-0006qO-Ku; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:43:49 -0400 Received: from ops-area by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgPD-0006pO-Jl for ops-area-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:43:47 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgPB-0006oV-WB; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:43:46 -0400 Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.71.100]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICgPB-0007v5-Ky; Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:43:45 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2007 14:43:44 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,569,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="40828495:sNHT8503092" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:43:03 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OPS Area Office Hours Thread-Index: AcfMkCKQ0tfyT6lXQmasVB8laEJ8Wg== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , , "Netconf (E-mail)" , , "Aaa-Doctors (E-mail)" , "Ops-Nm" , "capwap" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Cc: Subject: [OPS-AREA] OPS Area Office Hours X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org I apologize for the cross-posting, which is definitely intentional in this case.=20 We remind everybody that the OPS Area Directors will be waiting for you to come at the office hours to discuss current and future work in the area and any other IETF related business.=20 The office hours will happen in the IESG meeting room PDR-4 (standing for Private Dining Room I guess) at the 3rd floor in the Palmer House and the schedule is as follows: Monday 9:00AM to 11:30AM Wednesday 4:10PM to 5:00PM Thursday 4:10PM to 5:00PM See you there.=20 Ron and Dan =20 _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 24 09:07:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDK6Q-0007hc-Fi; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:07:02 -0400 Received: from ops-area by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IDK6O-0007hB-FQ for ops-area-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:07:00 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDK6O-0007h2-4U for ops-area@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:07:00 -0400 Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.71.100]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDK6N-0001Qk-NQ for ops-area@ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:06:59 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2007 09:06:58 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,574,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="41436085:sNHT7001370" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:06:19 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: REMINDER: Jabber, Presentations and Meeting Reports Thread-Index: AcfN820sbOc/FMlsSSinRN9Wrdytcw== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Subject: [OPS-AREA] REMINDER: Jabber, Presentations and Meeting Reports X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Hi,=20 Allowing for remote participation is an important opportunity for the IETF WGs and BOFs to allow people who cannot make it to the meeting follow and participate in the discussions. Please make sure that presentations are loaded on the meeting materials web pages and that there is a jabber notes taker at each meeting. It is OK for the jabber notes to be sparse if there is nobody in the jabber room, but if there are remote participants who listen to the audio feed and want to provide feedback we should be able to allow this.=20 Also please send to the ADs a one paragraph note at the end of the meeting with a short description of principal events, decisions and action items from the meeting.=20 Thanks and Regards, Ron and Dan =20 _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 11:19:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDieU-0006So-89; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:19:50 -0400 Received: from ops-area by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IDieT-0006Sj-9H for ops-area-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:19:49 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDieS-0006Sb-V9 for ops-area@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:19:48 -0400 Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.100] helo=co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDieS-00064N-NC for ops-area@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:19:48 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2007 11:19:47 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,581,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="46776824:sNHT7087458" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:19:12 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OPS Area Open Hour today moved to Salon 4! Thread-Index: AcfOzyfw+HOPffaaRTWFFdsqJ32GvQ== X-Priority: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: high From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , , , "David McWalter" , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Cc: Subject: [OPS-AREA] OPS Area Open Hour today moved to Salon 4! X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Due to a room scheduling problem the OPS Area Open Hour today (Wednesday) 4:10 to 5PM is being moved to Salon 4.=20 Dan =20 _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 25 18:36:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDpSs-0000mc-Rh; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:36:18 -0400 Received: from ops-area by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IDpSr-0000mX-Sl for ops-area-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:36:17 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDpSq-0000mI-EE for ops-area@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:36:17 -0400 Received: from nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.12.100] helo=nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDpSq-00039B-51 for ops-area@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:36:16 -0400 Received: from 12.140.64.135.in-addr.arpa (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2007 18:36:15 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,581,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="42909346:sNHT7411764" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:36:13 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Missing the OPS Hour Thread-Index: AcfPDDTcpLYBxLyDSsOIR2SfiIKyfw== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: dime-chairs@tools.ietf.org, radext-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [OPS-AREA] Missing the OPS Hour X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org I need to extend an apology for not making it to the OPS Open Hour to anybody who showed up in the room that was announced. The APM BOF in our area ran late, and when Ron and me got to the hallway of the Salons we were welcome by a couple of people waiting for us. We entered one of the Salon room believing that this is Salon 4, actually a third OPS fellow was waiting for us there, and only at the end of the allocated time we realized that we had been all this time in the wrong meeting room. We caught at the end only with one of the folks waiting for us in Salon 4.=20 Folks who still have time and need to talk with us please use the last open hour slot in the week tomorrow Thursday between 4:10 and 5PM in room PDR-4, or catch us in the hallways at any time. Dan =20 _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 07:40:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTbo-0005t1-91; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:40:20 -0400 Received: from ops-area by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTbl-0005rb-V7 for ops-area-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:40:17 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTbk-0005qx-Vl; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:40:17 -0400 Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.100] helo=co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTbk-0002FI-LT; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:40:16 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2007 07:40:14 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,198,1183348800"; d="scan'208"; a="48073947:sNHT762615636" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:39:33 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Creation of the Performance Monitoring at Other Layers pmol@ietf.org list Thread-Index: AcfSnkxL4wVbXYfnQk6Wb0Q09TJw3Q== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , , , , , "AVT WG" , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: Subject: [OPS-AREA] Creation of the Performance Monitoring at Other Layers pmol@ietf.org list X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org I have created a mail list to continue the discussions following the APM BOF at IETF 69.=20 The name of the list is Performance Metrics at Other Layers pmol@ietf.com list. This list hosts discussions about the process of defining in the IETF performance metrics at other layers than IP (which are covered by the scope of the IPPM WG) and related work items. This is a continuation of the discussions at the APM BOF at IETF 69. To post to this list, send your email to: pmol@ietf.org General information about the mailing list is at: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol =20 Dan =20 _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From ops-area-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 30 07:42:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTdv-0006Zy-SA; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:42:31 -0400 Received: from ops-area by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTds-0006WI-Sv for ops-area-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:42:28 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTdr-0006Vk-Vz; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:42:27 -0400 Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.100] helo=co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTdr-0003lc-JS; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:42:27 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2007 07:42:25 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,198,1183348800"; d="scan'208"; a="48074383:sNHT7187580" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:41:54 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Creation of the Performance Metrics at Other Layers - pmol@ietf.org list Thread-Index: AcfSnkxL4wVbXYfnQk6Wb0Q09TJw3Q== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , , , , , "AVT WG" , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: Subject: [OPS-AREA] Creation of the Performance Metrics at Other Layers - pmol@ietf.org list X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org I have created a mail list to continue the discussions following the APM BOF at IETF 69.=20 The name of the list is Performance Metrics at Other Layers pmol@ietf.com list. This list hosts discussions about the process of defining in the IETF performance metrics at other layers than IP (which are covered by the scope of the IPPM WG) and related work items. This is a continuation of the discussions at the APM BOF at IETF 69. To post to this list, send your email to: pmol@ietf.org General information about the mailing list is at: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol =20 Dan =20 _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area