From dromasca@avaya.com Thu Jul 2 08:25:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A593A6DA1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:25:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.04 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.04 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.311, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X5dfLH1cq-xU for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BD13A6998 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,335,1243828800"; d="scan'208";a="175855714" Received: from unknown (HELO nj300815-nj-erheast.avaya.com) ([198.152.6.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 02 Jul 2009 11:25:25 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by nj300815-nj-erheast-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 02 Jul 2009 11:25:24 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:25:27 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Preliminary Agenda for the open area in Stockholm (take 2) thread-index: Acn7KVOJlhINRcPVS4q/2r+xsPnotg== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Subject: [OPS-AREA] Preliminary Agenda for the open area in Stockholm (take 2) X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:25:22 -0000 Please find below the preliminary agenda for the OPSAREA Open Meeting at IETF 75.=20 We have received one more request for a presentation.=20 It looks no that we shall have only a two hours slot so we dropped the WG status reports in order to leave room for more open microphone discussions,=20 Please let us know if you will be requiring time for any presentations or discussions.=20 Thanks and Regards, Ron and Dan ------------------------------------------------------- OPSAREA Open Meeting Area Directors: Dan Romascanu and Ron Bonica Monday, DateAndTime TBD, Session Duration 2 hours=20 1. Note well, agenda bashing, note takers, blue sheets - 5 min 2. Operational Deployment and Management of Storage over the Internet: David Black - 20 min 3. Inter SDO management model harmonization: Mehmet Ersue - 10 min 4. NETCONF and YANG status, tutorial, demo: Juergen Schoenwaelder - 60 min=20 5. Open microphone: whatever time is left=20 From dromasca@avaya.com Mon Jul 13 02:30:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C28C3A6D47; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:30:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.025 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.025 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.296, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eTe0cC8dNFsU; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DAB3A6D36; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,389,1243828800"; d="scan'208";a="151065533" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2009 05:30:31 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2009 05:30:30 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:30:23 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OPS Area Open Office Hours in Stockholm thread-index: AcoDnIwQnyGPBbSiQYWSnW4C60MxEA== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Cc: aaa-doctors@ietf.org, mib-doctors@ietf.org, Ops Directorate Subject: [OPS-AREA] OPS Area Open Office Hours in Stockholm X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:30:05 -0000 We will hold the OPS Area office hours at the next IETF meeting in Stockholm on Tuesday 7/28 between 9:00 and 11:30AM in a TBA (to be announced) room. All folks willing to discuss new ideas, current problems, and any other IETF and area related business are invited to come and speak with us.=20 Ron and Dan From dromasca@avaya.com Tue Jul 14 04:34:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E193A68E2 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.026 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.297, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ntz94SakFtaS for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DC33A63EC for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:34:34 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,397,1243828800"; d="scan'208";a="176857125" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2009 07:33:29 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2009 07:33:28 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:32:45 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Preliminary Agenda for the OPS open area meeting in Stockholm (take 3) thread-index: AcoEds6ZyfRDUSAmTye4dYu0aKuJbA== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Cc: "Ersue, Mehmet \(NSN - DE/Munich\)" , Black_David@emc.com, Robert Sparks Subject: [OPS-AREA] Preliminary Agenda for the OPS open area meeting in Stockholm (take 3) X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:34:35 -0000 Here is take 3 of the agenda. We have received one more request for an info presentation and short discussion on the Common Log File (CLF) work in RAI. The agenda below is almost final, if I missed anything or if there are any more requests please send them soon.=20 According to the current agenda we were allocated three hours of meeting but we may not use them all.=20 Dan and Ron OPSAREA Open Meeting Area Directors: Dan Romascanu and Ron Bonica DateAndTime: Thursday July 30, 2009, at 13:00 Location: Large Stage 1. Note well, agenda bashing, note takers, blue sheets - 5 min 2. Operational Deployment and Management of Storage over the Internet: David Black - 20 min 3. Inter SDO management model harmonization: Mehmet Ersue - 10 min 4. NETCONF and YANG status, tutorial, demo: Juergen Schoenwaelder - 60 min=20 5. RAI Common Log File (CLF) WG proposal: Robert Sparks or proxy - 15 min=20 6. Open microphone: whatever time is left=20 From dromasca@avaya.com Tue Jul 14 08:54:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303233A6F08 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:54:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.025 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.025 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.296, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pARmrTLBq1NW for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918B328C39D for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,398,1243828800"; d="scan'208";a="151211231" Received: from unknown (HELO nj300815-nj-erheast.avaya.com) ([198.152.6.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2009 11:42:44 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by nj300815-nj-erheast-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2009 11:42:43 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:41:40 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Preliminary Agenda for the OPS open area meeting in Stockholm (take 4) thread-index: AcoEds6ZyfRDUSAmTye4dYu0aKuJbA== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Cc: "Ersue, Mehmet \(NSN - DE/Munich\)" , Black_David@emc.com, Robert Sparks Subject: [OPS-AREA] Preliminary Agenda for the OPS open area meeting in Stockholm (take 4) X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:54:49 -0000 Here is take 4 of the agenda. There is one more item added by Ron. The agenda below is almost final, if I missed anything or if there are any more requests please send them soon.=20 According to the current agenda we were allocated three hours of meeting but we may not use them all.=20 Dan and Ron OPSAREA Open Meeting Area Directors: Dan Romascanu and Ron Bonica DateAndTime: Thursday July 30, 2009, at 13:00 Location: Large Stage 1. Note well, agenda bashing, note takers, blue sheets - 5 min 2. Operational Deployment and Management of Storage over the Internet: David Black - 20 min 3. Inter SDO management model harmonization: Mehmet Ersue - 10 min 4. NETCONF and YANG status, tutorial, demo: Juergen Schoenwaelder - 60 min=20 5. Big ISP Operators input: Ron Bonica or proxy - 15 min 6. RAI Common Log File (CLF) WG proposal: Robert Sparks or proxy - 15 min=20 7. Open microphone: whatever time is left=20 From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Jul 15 03:54:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BAC3A6BE9 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.291, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M5QMQxdHHv1U for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBE63A6BE1 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:54:58 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,403,1243828800"; d="scan'208";a="176980072" Received: from unknown (HELO nj300815-nj-erheast.avaya.com) ([198.152.6.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2009 06:48:17 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by nj300815-nj-erheast-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2009 06:48:16 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:48:01 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Preliminary Agenda for the OPS open area meeting in Stockholm (take 5) thread-index: AcoFOblIT8hJpHElQwKeFAnURVfFDg== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Cc: Akira Nakagawa , "Ersue, Mehmet \(NSN - DE/Munich\)" , Robert Sparks Subject: [OPS-AREA] Preliminary Agenda for the OPS open area meeting in Stockholm (take 5) X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:54:59 -0000 Here is take 5 of the agenda. There is one more item requested by Akira Nagakawa. The agenda below is almost final, if I missed anything or if there are any more requests please send them soon.=20 According to the current agenda we were allocated three hours of meeting but we may not use them all.=20 Dan and Ron OPSAREA Open Meeting Area Directors: Dan Romascanu and Ron Bonica DateAndTime: Thursday July 30, 2009, at 13:00 Location: Large Stage 1. Note well, agenda bashing, note takers, blue sheets - 5 min 2. Operational Deployment and Management of Storage over the Internet: David Black - 20 min 3. Inter SDO management model harmonization: Mehmet Ersue - 10 min 4. NETCONF and YANG status, tutorial, demo: Juergen Schoenwaelder - 60 min=20 5. Big ISP Operators input: Ron Bonica or proxy - 15 min 6. Summarized story about NAT444: Akira Nagakawa - 10 min 6. RAI Common Log File (CLF) WG proposal: Robert Sparks or proxy - 15 min=20 7. Open microphone: whatever time is left From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Jul 15 11:17:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9A128C10A; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:17:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.291, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DfPBRtiYWrPR; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B0328C0FA; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:17:51 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,405,1243828800"; d="scan'208";a="177035052" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2009 14:15:23 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2009 14:15:22 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:15:01 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A5DF579.7060306@deployingradius.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [AAA-DOCTORS] OPS Area Open Office Hours in Stockholm thread-index: AcoFd1EFq8oU8wypTmWNDfTQQxJ3qgAAKdUQ References: <4A5DF579.7060306@deployingradius.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Alan DeKok" , , Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] [AAA-DOCTORS] OPS Area Open Office Hours in Stockholm X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:17:52 -0000 Should we not rather discuss this at the AAA-Doctors lunch on Thursday?=20 Dan =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: aaa-doctors-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:aaa-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alan DeKok > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:28 PM > To: aaa-doctors@ietf.org; ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [AAA-DOCTORS] OPS Area Open Office Hours in Stockholm >=20 > Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > We will hold the OPS Area office hours at the next IETF meeting in=20 > > Stockholm on Tuesday 7/28 between 9:00 and 11:30AM in a TBA (to be > > announced) room. All folks willing to discuss new ideas, current=20 > > problems, and any other IETF and area related business are=20 > invited to=20 > > come and speak with us. >=20 > I trimmed the CC list a bit. >=20 > My $0.02 is that we should take 30 minutes to discuss the=20 > interaction between RADIUS and Diameter. >=20 > a) Are there RADIUS to Diameter gateways in operation? >=20 > b) Do we need compatibility statements in specs for each protocol? >=20 > c) Are the protocols largely orthogonal, or not? >=20 > Alan DeKok. > _______________________________________________ > AAA-DOCTORS mailing list > AAA-DOCTORS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aaa-doctors >=20 From aland@freeradius.org Wed Jul 15 11:35:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF6C28C165; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:35:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.729 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.729 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bSX+udHQ9EI6; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from liberty.deployingradius.com (liberty.deployingradius.com [88.191.76.128]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2621428C164; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Thor.local (pas38-1-82-67-71-238.fbx.proxad.net [82.67.71.238]) by liberty.deployingradius.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7890B12343E0; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:28:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A5E1FB1.9000008@freeradius.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:28:01 +0200 From: Alan T DeKok User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" References: <4A5DF579.7060306@deployingradius.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:35:34 -0700 Cc: aaa-doctors@ietf.org, ops-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] [AAA-DOCTORS] OPS Area Open Office Hours in Stockholm X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: aland@freeradius.org List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:35:51 -0000 Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Should we not rather discuss this at the AAA-Doctors lunch on Thursday? Yes... wrong subject, sorry. Alan DeKok. From glenzorn@comcast.net Wed Jul 15 21:09:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711C63A6983 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:09:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.421 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.421 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.308, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UEC2SVrdyizq for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB09F3A6827 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GSMj1c00G0vp7WLAEU8pfB; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:08:49 +0000 Received: from gwzPC ([124.121.212.240]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GU881c00B5Blp2s8RU8Hds; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:08:44 +0000 From: "Glen Zorn" To: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , "'Alan DeKok'" , , References: <4A5DF579.7060306@deployingradius.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:03:54 +0700 Message-ID: <009801ca05ca$85355cc0$8fa01640$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcoFd1EFq8oU8wypTmWNDfTQQxJ3qgAAKdUQABJLl8A= Content-Language: en-us X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:35:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] [AAA-DOCTORS] OPS Area Open Office Hours in Stockholm X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:09:56 -0000 Dan Romascanu [mailto://dromasca@avaya.com] writes: > Should we not rather discuss this at the AAA-Doctors lunch on Thursday? That seems more reasonable (though even having the conversation is surely an exercise in absurdity). ... From dromasca@avaya.com Sun Jul 19 08:39:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95C53A6AEF; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:39:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6rHeR+HAQMrS; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0923A6B8F; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:38:42 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,230,1246852800"; d="txt'?scan'208,217";a="151615814" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2009 11:38:39 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2009 11:38:38 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA0886.EFB3C260" Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:38:17 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [dispatch] Fwd: draft CLF charter thread-index: AcoHI8lKZskJzcG/SqaRm5rWC+2RNwBYaYfw From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Cc: ops-dir@ietf.org Subject: [OPS-AREA] FW: [dispatch] Fwd: draft CLF charter X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:39:00 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA0886.EFB3C260 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CA0886.EFB3C260" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CA0886.EFB3C260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The CLF charter is on the agenda of the OPSAREA meeting in Stockholm. Comments are welcome on the sip-slf list.=20 =20 Dan =20 ________________________________ From: dispatch-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dispatch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sparks Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:16 AM To: sip-ops@ietf.org; dispatch mailing list Subject: [dispatch] Fwd: draft CLF charter =09 =09 Please follow and participate in this discussion on the sip-clf list if you are interested.=20 RjS =09 Begin forwarded message: From: Robert Sparks Date: July 17, 2009 4:13:58 PM CDT To: sip-clf@ietf.org Subject: draft CLF charter All - =09 We are working on forming a CLF working group based on DISPATCH's decision. =09 Below is a proposed charter for this working group. Please review and comment on this list. Depending on the feedback we receive, we will target forming this group shortly after the Stockholm meeting. =09 We'll also be discussing this in Thursday's opsarea meeting. =09 Thanks, =09 RjS =09 =09 =09 The SIP Common Log File (CLF) working group is chartered to define =09 a standard logging format for systems processing SIP messages. =09 Well-known web servers such as Apache and web proxies like Squid =09 support event logging using a common log format. The logs produced =09 using these de-facto standard formats are invaluable to system =09 administrators for trouble-shooting a server and tool writers to =09 craft tools that mine the log files to produce reports and trends =09 and to search for a certain SIP message or messages, a transaction =09 or a related set of transactions. Furthermore, these log records =09 can also be used to train anomaly detection systems and feed events =09 into a security event management system. =09 The Session Initiation Protocol does not have a common log =09 format. Diverse element provide distinct log formats making =09 it complex to produce tools to analyze them. =09 The CLF working group will produce a format suitable for logging =09 from any SIP element. The format will anticipate the need to =09 search, merge, and summarize the log records from diverse elements. =09 The format will anticipate the need to correlate messages from =09 multiple elements related to a given request (that may fork) =09 or a given dialog. The format will take SIP's extensibility into =09 consideration, providing a way to represent SIP message components =09 that are defined in the future. The format will anticipate being =09 used both for off-line analysis and on-line real-time processing =09 applications. The working group will consider the need for =09 efficient processing in its design of this format. =09 The working group is not pre-constrained to producing either a =09 bit-field oriented or text-oriented format, and may choose to =09 provide both. If the group chooses to specify both, it must be =09 possible to mechanically translate between the formats without =09 loss of information. =09 Specifying the mechanics of exchanging, transporting, and storing =09 SIP Common Log Format records is explicitly out of scope. Specifying =09 a real-time transfer mechanism for heuristic analysis is explicitly =09 out of scope. =09 The group will generate: =09 - A problem statement enunciating the motivation, =09 and use cases for a SIP Common Log Format. This analysis =09 will identify the required minimal information that must =09 appear in any record. =09 - A specification of the SIP Common Log Format record. =09 The group will consider providing one or more reference =09 implementations for decoding a CLF record. =09 Goals and Milestones =09 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D =09 Nov 09 - Problem statement, motivation, and use cases to IESG (Informational) =09 Feb 10 - SIP Common Log Format specification to IESG (PS) =09 ------_=_NextPart_002_01CA0886.EFB3C260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The=20 CLF charter is on the agenda of the OPSAREA meeting in Stockholm. = Comments are=20 welcome on the sip-slf list.
 
Dan
 

From: dispatch-bounces@ietf.org=20 [mailto:dispatch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert=20 Sparks
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:16 AM
To:=20 sip-ops@ietf.org; dispatch mailing list
Subject: [dispatch] = Fwd:=20 draft CLF charter

Please follow and participate in this discussion on the = sip-clf=20 list if you are interested.

RjS

Begin forwarded message:

From: Robert = Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com><= /DIV>
Date: July 17, = 2009 4:13:58 PM=20 CDT
To: sip-clf@ietf.org
Subject: = draft = CLF=20 charter

All -

We are working on forming a CLF working group = based on=20 DISPATCH's decision.

Below is a proposed charter for this = working=20 group. Please review and comment
on this list. Depending on the = feedback=20 we receive, we will target forming this
group shortly after the = Stockholm=20 meeting.

We'll also be discussing this in Thursday's opsarea=20 meeting.

Thanks,

RjS


The SIP Common Log File (CLF) working = group is=20 chartered to define
a standard logging format for systems = processing=20 SIP messages.

Well-known web servers such as Apache and = web=20 proxies like Squid
support event logging using a common log = format.=20  The logs produced
using these de-facto standard formats are=20 invaluable to system
administrators for trouble-shooting a = server and=20 tool writers to
craft tools that mine the log files to = produce=20 reports and trends
and to search for a certain SIP message or = messages, a transaction
or a related set of transactions.=20  Furthermore, these log records
can also be used to train anomaly = detection=20 systems and feed events
into a security event management=20 system.

The Session Initiation Protocol does not = have a=20 common log
format. Diverse element provide distinct = log=20 formats making
it complex to produce tools to analyze=20 them.

The CLF working group will produce a = format=20 suitable for logging
from any SIP element. The format will = anticipate=20 the need to
search, merge, and summarize the log = records from=20 diverse elements.
The format will anticipate the need to = correlate=20 messages from
multiple elements related to a given = request (that=20 may fork)
or a given dialog. The format will take = SIP's=20 extensibility into
consideration, providing a way to = represent SIP=20 message components
that are defined in the future.  The = format=20 will anticipate being
used both for off-line analysis and = on-line=20 real-time processing
applications. The working group will = consider the=20 need for
efficient processing in its design of this = format.

The working group is not pre-constrained = to=20 producing either a
bit-field oriented or text-oriented = format, and=20 may choose to
provide both. If the group chooses to = specify=20 both, it must be
possible to mechanically translate between = the=20 formats without
loss of information.

Specifying the mechanics of exchanging,=20 transporting, and storing
SIP Common Log Format records is = explicitly out of=20 scope. Specifying
a real-time transfer mechanism for = heuristic=20 analysis is explicitly
out of scope.

The group will generate:

- A problem statement enunciating the=20 motivation,
and use cases for a SIP Common Log Format. = This=20 analysis
will identify the required minimal = information=20 that must
appear in any record.

- A specification of the SIP Common Log = Format=20 record.

The group will consider providing one or = more=20 reference
implementations for decoding a CLF=20 record.

Goals and Milestones
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Nov 09 - Problem statement, motivation, = and use=20 cases to IESG (Informational)
Feb 10 - SIP Common Log Format = specification to=20 IESG (PS)



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The initial scheduling now conflicts with the syslog WG meeting. The new time is Wednesday 7/29 between 15:10 and 16:30. The meeting room is Room 202.=20 Please come to talk with us on any OPS Area or IETF related items.=20 Ron and Dan=20 From dromasca@avaya.com Fri Jul 24 00:16:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553243A68BA for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:16:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.229 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.229 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.370, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IDz+JnQLuVKt for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FBE3A657C for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:16:06 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,260,1246852800"; d="scan'208";a="152071246" Received: from unknown (HELO nj300815-nj-erheast.avaya.com) ([198.152.6.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2009 03:08:36 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by nj300815-nj-erheast-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2009 03:08:35 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:08:26 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Final Agenda for the OPSAREA open meeting thread-index: AcoMLYoGG9j5BpFIQyWQqKRDdC7oKg== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Subject: [OPS-AREA] Final Agenda for the OPSAREA open meeting X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:16:08 -0000 I have posted what should be by now the (probably) final agenda for the OPSAREA meeting in Stockholm at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/75/agenda/opsarea.txt Presenters are welcome to upload or send me their presentations in advance, so that we can make them available for folks following the meeting remotely.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan From gowri@cisco.com Thu Jul 23 12:51:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA3C3A69A9; 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bh=eGj6ah51ntVGF0/gM/jW908aJENeAxYP4pdX/FAv4wo=; b=fbpgZXwYr5pnRWXAKMR/qn6Ob9Bv5YkRGDx/ufSDaxSU1hWEn+9hX3uCCA sjj9aQNeWwd0aewAuQXamxmICOz/6VsKCNUKOJwSASvvM0CxfYp3RpRHWnp/ BSBqWUOg7I; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=gowri@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:33:11 -0700 Cc: "Stan Yates \(syates\)" , "Paul Aitken \(paitken\)" , "Nagaraj Varadharajan \(nagarajv\)" , "Brian Lam \(brlam\)" , "Zhipu Jin \(zhipjin\)" Subject: [OPS-AREA] Correction in draft-claise-structured-data-in-ipfix-01 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:51:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA0BCE.F58A9DDA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, We uncovered an encoding error in Section 8.3, 'Figure T: Encoding subTemplateMultiList, Data Set'. I have included the old and new examples for your reference here, the new example uses 2 bytes for encoding the 'Element n Length' as described in Section 4.4.3. A new version of the draft with the example corrected will be posted after the IETF meeting.=20 =20 Old:=20 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Set ID =3D 261 | Length =3D 66 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | signatureId =3D 1003 | protocolId=3D17 | riskRating=3D10 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | 255 | participant Length =3D 55 |participant ...| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Template ID=3D260| 255 |subTemplateMultiList Length=3D50 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | 255 | attacker1 Length =3D 10 | attacker1 ... | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Template ID=3D259| attacker1 sourceIPv4Address =3D | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ... 192.0.2.3 | attacker1 applicationId =3D | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ... 103 | 255 | target1 Length =3D 21 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | target1 Template ID =3D 258 |target1 destinationIPv4Address=3D| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ... 192.0.2.103 | 255 |target1 appId..|=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |List Length=3D12 | target1 appId Field ID =3D 95 |target1 appId..| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Field ID Len=3D4| target1 applicationId =3D | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ... 3001 | target1 applicationId =3D | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ... 3002 | 255 | attacker2 Length =3D 10 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | attacker2 Template ID =3D 259 | attacker2 srcIPv4Address =3D | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ... 192.0.2.4 | attacker2 applicationId =3D | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ... 104 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ =20 New:=20 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Set ID =3D 261 | Length =3D 63 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | signatureId =3D 1003 | protocolId=3D17 | riskRating=3D10 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | 255 | participant Length =3D 52 |participant ...| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Template ID=3D260| 255 |subTemplateMultiList Length=3D47 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | attacker1 Length =3D 10 | attacker1 Template ID =3D 259 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | attacker1 sourceIPv4Address =3D 192.0.2.3 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | attacker1 applicationId =3D 103 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | target1 Length =3D 21 | target1 Template ID =3D 258 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | target1 destinationIPv4Address =3D 192.0.2.103 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | 255 | target1 appId List Length=3D12 |target1 appId..| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Field ID =3D 95 | target1 appId Field ID Len =3D 4|target1 appId =3D| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ... 3001 |target1 appId =3D| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ... 3002 | attacker2 ...| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Length =3D 10 | attacker2 Template ID =3D 259 | attacker2 ...| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ... sourceIPv4Address =3D 192.0.2.4 | attacker2 ...| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | ... applicationId =3D 104 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ =20 Any comments/thoughts welcome.=20 =20 Thanks. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA0BCE.F58A9DDA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
We uncovered an encoding error in = Section=20 8.3, 'Figure T: Encoding subTemplateMultiList, Data Set'. I = have included=20 the old and new examples for your reference here, the new example uses 2 = bytes=20 for encoding the 'Element n Length' as described in Section = 4.4.3. A new=20 version of the draft with the example corrected will be posted after the = IETF=20 meeting.
 
Old:

0           &n= bsp;      =20 1           &n= bsp;      =20 2           &n= bsp;      =20 3

 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 = 6 7 8 9 0=20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|         =20 Set ID =3D 261        =20 |        =20 Length =3D 66          =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|      = signatureId =3D=20 1003      =20 | protocolId=3D17 | riskRating=3D10 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|      = 255      | =  participant Length  =3D 55     |participant = ...|

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|Template = ID=3D260|      = 255     =20 |subTemplateMultiList Length=3D50 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|      = 255      |    attacker1 Length = =3D 10      | = attacker1 ...=20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|Template = ID=3D259|          =20 attacker1 sourceIPv4Address =3D       = |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

| ... 192.0.2.3 = |          =20 attacker1 applicationId =3D          =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|  ... 103      |      = 255      |      = target1 Length =3D=20 21      = |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

| target1 Template = ID =3D=20 258     = |target1=20 destinationIPv4Address=3D|

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|    ... = 192.0.2.103           =20 |      = 255     =20 |target1 appId..|

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|List Length=3D12 | = target1=20 appId Field ID =3D 95   = |target1=20 appId..|

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

| Field ID = Len=3D4|           =20 target1 applicationId =3D           =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|  ... 3001     |           =20 target1 applicationId =3D           =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|  ... 3002     |      = 255      |    attacker2 Length = =3D 10      |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

| attacker2 = Template ID =3D=20 259   | attacker2=20 srcIPv4Address =3D    = |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|      ...=20 192.0.2.4        =20    | = attacker2=20 applicationId =3D    =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

|       ...  104           &n= bsp;   =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

 

New:

 0           &n= bsp;      =20 1           &n= bsp;      =20 2           &n= bsp;      =20 3

 0 1 = 2 3 4 5 6 7=20 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|         =20 Set ID =3D 261        =20 |        =20 Length =3D 63          =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|      = signatureId =3D=20 1003      =20 | protocolId=3D17 | riskRating=3D10 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|      255 =      |  participant Length  =3D 52     |participant = ...|

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|Template ID=3D260|      = 255      |subTemplateMultiList = Length=3D47=20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|  =    attacker1 Length = =3D 10     | attacker1 = Template=20 ID =3D 259  =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|       =20   attacker1=20 sourceIPv4Address =3D 192.0.2.3           &n= bsp; =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|       =20        attacker1=20 applicationId =3D 103           &n= bsp;      =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|  =     target1 Length =3D 21      |  target1 Template ID =3D = 258    = |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|    =20    target1=20 destinationIPv4Address =3D 192.0.2.103          =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|    =20 255      =20 | target1 appId List Length=3D12 =20 |target1 appId..|

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|=20 Field ID =3D 95 | target1 appId Field ID Len =3D 4|target1 appId=20 =3D|

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|=20 ...           &n= bsp;       =20 3001           &n= bsp;      =20 |target1 appId =3D|

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|=20 ...           &n= bsp;       =20 3002           &n= bsp;      =20 | attacker2 =20 ...|

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|=20 Length =3D 10   | = attacker2=20 Template ID =3D 259   = |=20 attacker2 =20 ...|

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|=20 ...   = sourceIPv4Address =3D=20 192.0.2.4          =20 | attacker2 =20 ...|

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

|=20 ...     =20 applicationId =3D 104           &n= bsp;     =20 |

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

 
Any comments/thoughts welcome. =
 
Thanks.
------_=_NextPart_001_01CA0BCE.F58A9DDA-- From dromasca@avaya.com Tue Jul 28 05:22:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0733A6F1A for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:22:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.345 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.345 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.254, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id So7ZyddfhuBD for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F5F3A6F18 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:22:53 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,283,1246852800"; d="scan'208";a="152396063" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2009 08:22:35 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2009 08:22:34 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:22:17 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Slides for the OPSAREA Open Meeting on Thursday thread-index: AcoPfgwGgwL0YprDSkCfOdn/qWmb1A== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Subject: [OPS-AREA] Slides for the OPSAREA Open Meeting on Thursday X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:22:54 -0000 Folks presenting at the OPSAREA open meeting on Thursday, please send your slides in advance to Ron or me, so that they are made available prior to the meeting to folks participating remotely.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Wed Jul 29 02:12:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881AE3A6F3F for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:12:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Os5w-w6wdPHE for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CDC3A67D0 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D0BC00A2 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:12:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U5BDex53bKVf; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387F4C009F; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 54526B70209; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:12:29 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: ops-area@ietf.org Message-ID: <20090729091229.GA13854@elstar.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Subject: [OPS-AREA] moving cops-pr to historic X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:12:30 -0000 Hi, during the OPSAWG meeting, the topic came up whether COPS-PR should be classified as historic. RFC 2026 defines historic as follows: A specification that has been superseded by a more recent specification or is for any other reason considered to be obsolete is assigned to the "Historic" level. (Purists have suggested that the word should be "Historical"; however, at this point the use of "Historic" is historical.) Note: Standards track specifications normally must not depend on other standards track specifications which are at a lower maturity level or on non standards track specifications other than referenced specifications from other standards bodies. (See Section 7.) Note that SNMPv1/SNMPv2c was made historic when SNMPv3 reached the same maturity level and this was a clear statement that the IETF won't develop SNMPv1/SNMPv2c further. Of course, this did not make implementations go away and nobody really expected that. But moving a protocol to historic makes it clear (to those who care) that a protocol is considered a dead end and it explains what to use instead. Now that we have NETCONF in place and YANG almost in place, we could start an action to move COPS-PR (RFC 3084) and at the same time SPPI (RFC 3159) and the PIP modules (RFC 3317, RFC 3318, RFC 3571) to historic. I am bringing this up here since I believe this might concern the OPS area at large and not everybody might have been at the OPSAWG meeting. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From pekkas@netcore.fi Wed Jul 29 02:15:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8373A6F2C for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:15:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.27 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.27 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.329, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yod756zQAK44 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcore.fi (eunet-gw.ipv6.netcore.fi [IPv6:2001:670:86:3001::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2243A6EF7 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcore.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6T9EweP021860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:14:58 +0300 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id n6T9EwKK021857; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:14:58 +0300 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:14:58 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: Juergen Schoenwaelder In-Reply-To: <20090729091229.GA13854@elstar.local> Message-ID: References: <20090729091229.GA13854@elstar.local> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: ops-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] moving cops-pr to historic X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:15:02 -0000 On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > could start an action to move COPS-PR (RFC 3084) and at the same > time SPPI (RFC 3159) and the PIP modules (RFC 3317, RFC 3318, RFC > 3571) to historic. Supported. I'm not sure if I've ever heard of COPS-PR being used in operational environments except in some specialized setups. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From moulton@snmp.com Wed Jul 29 08:09:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EF13A6ED2 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:09:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jQ5MMqufhMK3 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.snmp.com (mailbox.snmp.com [192.147.142.80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416203A6A72 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ws4.snmp.com (ws4.snmp.com [192.147.142.78]) by mailbox.snmp.com (8.9.3p2-20030922/m.0080228) with ESMTP id LAA29018; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ws4.snmp.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ws4.snmp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n6TF8WZ3025124; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:08:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200907291508.n6TF8WZ3025124@ws4.snmp.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.1-RC3 To: Juergen Schoenwaelder In-reply-to: <20090729091229.GA13854@elstar.local> References: <20090729091229.GA13854@elstar.local> Comments: In-reply-to Juergen Schoenwaelder message dated "Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:12:29 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:08:32 -0400 From: Steve Moulton X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:06:03 -0700 Cc: moulton@snmp.com, ops-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] moving cops-pr to historic X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:09:05 -0000 I am in favor of moving these RFCs to historic. On Wednesday, July 29 2009, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > Now that we have NETCONF in place and YANG almost in place, we > could start an action to move COPS-PR (RFC 3084) and at the same > time SPPI (RFC 3159) and the PIP modules (RFC 3317, RFC 3318, RFC > 3571) to historic. --- Steve Moulton SNMP Research, Inc voice: +1 865 573 1434 Sr Software Engineer 3001 Kimberlin Heights Rd. fax: +1 865 573 9197 moulton at snmp.com Knoxville, TN 37920-9716 USA http://www.snmp.com From dromasca@avaya.com Thu Jul 30 01:44:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4473A6C2F; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:44:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.342 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.342 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.257, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GAIn2xaFRmmK; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034BA3A69A0; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:44:24 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,294,1246852800"; d="scan'208";a="178448172" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2009 04:44:26 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2009 04:44:25 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:44:22 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Call for volunteer - OPS Area advisor to MPLS-TP thread-index: AcoQ8e9Cv9ZtFxdoS0WUp6oT+TkFow== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , Cc: Loa Andersson Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for volunteer - OPS Area advisor to MPLS-TP X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:44:25 -0000 I will make this call in the open area meeting later today, but I thought it's good for folks to see this in advance and consider whether they want to become involved. The MPLS-TP WG asked the OPS Area to review a bunch of OAM documents which have obvious OPS implications. We look for a volunteer in the OPS area - preferred with some experience and background in MPLS and/or OAM - to step in for this position. This does not mean that he or she will perform all reviews, but will be the primary contact between the WG and our area.=20 Folks who are interested, please contact me or Ron.=20 Dan