On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Fred Baker = <fred@cisco.com&= gt; wrote:

what is the vpn4dc@ietf.org list bei= ng used for?

Not much at present. The VPN4DC BOF was turned into a special sessi= on of L3VPN, so I asked people not to use

the BOF VPN4DC mail= ing list.=A0

I would assume that the disposition of the ML would be = gated by the disposition of the work, which we

don't know yet= . There is some probability that this would become a standalone BOF / WG, s= o in that case it would find some use.

Regards

Marshall

=A0=

On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:

> Similarly, VPN4DC should be of interest to the OPS area. =A0This was n= ot
> approved as
> a BOF, but will be discussed in the L3VPN mailing list (now) and (if > there is sufficient interest)
> in a L3VPN meeting in Taipei.
>
> You can find a brief description in http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wi= ki
>
> Please direct discussion of VPN4DC to L3VPN.
>
> Regards
> Marshall Eubanks
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> <dromasca@avaya.com> w= rote:
>> Please see the message from Adrian about the Software Driven Netwo= rks
>> (SDN) BOF approved for Taipei. As Adrian puts it ' The BoF is = nominally
>> in the Routing Area, but I expect considerable involvement from th= e OPS
>> Area.' Scheduling will avoid conflict with the area meetings a= nd to the
>> possible extent to the other WGs in OPS whose participants could >> contribute to this work (OPSAWG, NETCONF, NETMOD, V6OPS). The mail= list
>> is at http://www.lucidvision.com/mailman/listinfo/sdnp
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:00 PM
>> To: sdnp@lucidvision.com
>> Cc: stbryant@cisco.com; = Romascanu, Dan (Dan); rbonica@junipe= r.net
>> Subject: BoF in Taipei
>>
>> Hi SDN list,
>>
>> I wanted you to know that the IAB and IESG met today to discuss Bo= Fs for
>> Taipei.
>>
>> They have agreed that we will hold a BoF for SDN with a goal of >> "discussing the
>> technology and identifying work items". The BoF is nominally = in the
>> Routing
>> Area, but I expect considerable involvement from the OPS Area.
>>
>> That means that it will not be designated a "working group fo= rming BoF".
>> In
>> other words, the objective of the meeting will not be to discuss t= he
>> precise
>> nature of what a new working group would do (charter, scope, miles= tones,
>> documents). Rather, it will try to reach agreement on what the top= ic
>> actually
>> is, what work is out there, what belongs in the IETF, who wants to= do
>> what, and
>> how it breaks into manageable units, etc..
>>
>> We may find that the outcome is a clear new WG. We might find piec= es of
>> work
>> that belong in different existing WGs. We might find that all the = work
>> actually
>> belongs in another body. And we might find that there is no work t= o be
>> done.
>>
>> Over the next couple of days I will work with Tom on an initial dr= aft
>> agenda for
>> the meeting which we will put to you for more debate and bashing. = We
>> have a 2
>> hour slot, so we should be able to cover quite a lot.
>>
>> I will also appoint chairs for the BoF relatively soon so that the= y can
>> take on
>> a guiding role leading up to the meeting.
>>
>> OK?
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OPS-DIR mailing list
>> OPS-DIR@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-dir
>>
> _______________________________________________
> OPS-DIR mailing list
> OPS-DIR@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-dir

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:55:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: Marshall Eubanks To: Fred Baker Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9399b9377f4f004b0a0f897 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 07:47:52 -0700 Cc: ops-dir@ietf.org, ops-area@ietf.org, ops-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] [OPS-DIR] FW: BoF in Taipei X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:55:20 -0000 --14dae9399b9377f4f004b0a0f897 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > OK, do me a favor. I sent a note to vpn4dc@, and have since forwarded it > to l3vpn@. I'm not a member of the latter. So let it through... > > Will do Marshall > On Nov 1, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > >> what is the vpn4dc@ietf.org list being used for? >> >> > Not much at present. The VPN4DC BOF was turned into a special session of > L3VPN, so I asked people not to use > the BOF VPN4DC mailing list. > > I would assume that the disposition of the ML would be gated by the > disposition of the work, which we > don't know yet. There is some probability that this would become a > standalone BOF / WG, so in that case it would find some use. > > Regards > Marshall > > > >> On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> >> > Similarly, VPN4DC should be of interest to the OPS area. This was not >> > approved as >> > a BOF, but will be discussed in the L3VPN mailing list (now) and (if >> > there is sufficient interest) >> > in a L3VPN meeting in Taipei. >> > >> > You can find a brief description in >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki >> > >> > Please direct discussion of VPN4DC to L3VPN. >> > >> > Regards >> > Marshall Eubanks >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) >> > wrote: >> >> Please see the message from Adrian about the Software Driven Networks >> >> (SDN) BOF approved for Taipei. As Adrian puts it ' The BoF is nominally >> >> in the Routing Area, but I expect considerable involvement from the OPS >> >> Area.' Scheduling will avoid conflict with the area meetings and to the >> >> possible extent to the other WGs in OPS whose participants could >> >> contribute to this work (OPSAWG, NETCONF, NETMOD, V6OPS). The mail list >> >> is at http://www.lucidvision.com/mailman/listinfo/sdnp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] >> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:00 PM >> >> To: sdnp@lucidvision.com >> >> Cc: stbryant@cisco.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); rbonica@juniper.net >> >> Subject: BoF in Taipei >> >> >> >> Hi SDN list, >> >> >> >> I wanted you to know that the IAB and IESG met today to discuss BoFs >> for >> >> Taipei. >> >> >> >> They have agreed that we will hold a BoF for SDN with a goal of >> >> "discussing the >> >> technology and identifying work items". The BoF is nominally in the >> >> Routing >> >> Area, but I expect considerable involvement from the OPS Area. >> >> >> >> That means that it will not be designated a "working group forming >> BoF". >> >> In >> >> other words, the objective of the meeting will not be to discuss the >> >> precise >> >> nature of what a new working group would do (charter, scope, >> milestones, >> >> documents). Rather, it will try to reach agreement on what the topic >> >> actually >> >> is, what work is out there, what belongs in the IETF, who wants to do >> >> what, and >> >> how it breaks into manageable units, etc.. >> >> >> >> We may find that the outcome is a clear new WG. We might find pieces of >> >> work >> >> that belong in different existing WGs. We might find that all the work >> >> actually >> >> belongs in another body. And we might find that there is no work to be >> >> done. >> >> >> >> Over the next couple of days I will work with Tom on an initial draft >> >> agenda for >> >> the meeting which we will put to you for more debate and bashing. We >> >> have a 2 >> >> hour slot, so we should be able to cover quite a lot. >> >> >> >> I will also appoint chairs for the BoF relatively soon so that they can >> >> take on >> >> a guiding role leading up to the meeting. >> >> >> >> OK? >> >> >> >> Adrian >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> OPS-DIR mailing list >> >> OPS-DIR@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-dir >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OPS-DIR mailing list >> > OPS-DIR@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-dir >> >> > > --14dae9399b9377f4f004b0a0f897 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Fr= ed Baker <fred@cisco= .com> wrote:

OK, do me a favor. I sent a note to vpn= 4dc@, and have since forwarded it to l3vpn@. I'm not a member of the la= tter. So let it through...

Will do

Marshall

=A0

On Nov 1, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Marshall = Eubanks wrote:

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> wrote:

what is the vpn4dc@iet= f.org list being used for?

Not m= uch at present. The VPN4DC BOF was turned into a special session of L3VPN, = so I asked people not to use
the BOF VPN4DC mailing list.=A0<= /div>

I would assume that the disposition of the ML would be = gated by the disposition of the work, which we
don't know yet= . There is some probability that this would become a standalone BOF / WG, s= o in that case it would find some use.

Regards
Marshall

=A0=
On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:

> Similarly, VPN4DC should be of interest to the OPS area. =A0This was n= ot
> approved as
> a BOF, but will be discussed in the L3VPN mailing list (now) and (if > there is sufficient interest)
> in a L3VPN meeting in Taipei.
>
> You can find a brief description in http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wi= ki
>
> Please direct discussion of VPN4DC to L3VPN.
>
> Regards
> Marshall Eubanks
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> <dromasca@a= vaya.com> wrote:
>> Please see the message from Adrian about the Software Driven Netwo= rks
>> (SDN) BOF approved for Taipei. As Adrian puts it ' The BoF is = nominally
>> in the Routing Area, but I expect considerable involvement from th= e OPS
>> Area.' Scheduling will avoid conflict with the area meetings a= nd to the
>> possible extent to the other WGs in OPS whose participants could >> contribute to this work (OPSAWG, NETCONF, NETMOD, V6OPS). The mail= list
>> is at http://www.lucidvision.com/mailman/listinfo/sdnp
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:00 PM
>> To: sdnp= @lucidvision.com
>> Cc: stbrya= nt@cisco.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); rbonica@juniper.net
>> Subject: BoF in Taipei
>>
>> Hi SDN list,
>>
>> I wanted you to know that the IAB and IESG met today to discuss Bo= Fs for
>> Taipei.
>>
>> They have agreed that we will hold a BoF for SDN with a goal of >> "discussing the
>> technology and identifying work items". The BoF is nominally = in the
>> Routing
>> Area, but I expect considerable involvement from the OPS Area.
>>
>> That means that it will not be designated a "working group fo= rming BoF".
>> In
>> other words, the objective of the meeting will not be to discuss t= he
>> precise
>> nature of what a new working group would do (charter, scope, miles= tones,
>> documents). Rather, it will try to reach agreement on what the top= ic
>> actually
>> is, what work is out there, what belongs in the IETF, who wants to= do
>> what, and
>> how it breaks into manageable units, etc..
>>
>> We may find that the outcome is a clear new WG. We might find piec= es of
>> work
>> that belong in different existing WGs. We might find that all the = work
>> actually
>> belongs in another body. And we might find that there is no work t= o be
>> done.
>>
>> Over the next couple of days I will work with Tom on an initial dr= aft
>> agenda for
>> the meeting which we will put to you for more debate and bashing. = We
>> have a 2
>> hour slot, so we should be able to cover quite a lot.
>>
>> I will also appoint chairs for the BoF relatively soon so that the= y can
>> take on
>> a guiding role leading up to the meeting.
>>
>> OK?
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OPS-DIR mailing list
>> OPS-DIR@ietf= .org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-dir
>>
> _______________________________________________
> OPS-DIR mailing list
> OPS-DIR@ietf.org=
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-dir

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:59:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: Marshall Eubanks To: Fred Baker Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044472472e2cab04b0a10692 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 07:47:52 -0700 Cc: ops-dir@ietf.org, ops-area@ietf.org, ops-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] [OPS-DIR] FW: BoF in Taipei X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:59:09 -0000 --f46d044472472e2cab04b0a10692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Marshall Eubanks < marshall.eubanks@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > >> OK, do me a favor. I sent a note to vpn4dc@, and have since forwarded it >> to l3vpn@. I'm not a member of the latter. So let it through... >> >> > Will do > > Done. You might want to follow this thread http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/l3vpn/current/msg03072.html Marshall > Marshall > > >> On Nov 1, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Fred Baker wrote: >> >>> what is the vpn4dc@ietf.org list being used for? >>> >>> >> Not much at present. The VPN4DC BOF was turned into a special session of >> L3VPN, so I asked people not to use >> the BOF VPN4DC mailing list. >> >> I would assume that the disposition of the ML would be gated by the >> disposition of the work, which we >> don't know yet. There is some probability that this would become a >> standalone BOF / WG, so in that case it would find some use. >> >> Regards >> Marshall >> >> >> >>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >>> >>> > Similarly, VPN4DC should be of interest to the OPS area. This was not >>> > approved as >>> > a BOF, but will be discussed in the L3VPN mailing list (now) and (if >>> > there is sufficient interest) >>> > in a L3VPN meeting in Taipei. >>> > >>> > You can find a brief description in >>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki >>> > >>> > Please direct discussion of VPN4DC to L3VPN. >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > Marshall Eubanks >>> > >>> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) >>> > wrote: >>> >> Please see the message from Adrian about the Software Driven Networks >>> >> (SDN) BOF approved for Taipei. As Adrian puts it ' The BoF is >>> nominally >>> >> in the Routing Area, but I expect considerable involvement from the >>> OPS >>> >> Area.' Scheduling will avoid conflict with the area meetings and to >>> the >>> >> possible extent to the other WGs in OPS whose participants could >>> >> contribute to this work (OPSAWG, NETCONF, NETMOD, V6OPS). The mail >>> list >>> >> is at http://www.lucidvision.com/mailman/listinfo/sdnp >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:00 PM >>> >> To: sdnp@lucidvision.com >>> >> Cc: stbryant@cisco.com; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); rbonica@juniper.net >>> >> Subject: BoF in Taipei >>> >> >>> >> Hi SDN list, >>> >> >>> >> I wanted you to know that the IAB and IESG met today to discuss BoFs >>> for >>> >> Taipei. >>> >> >>> >> They have agreed that we will hold a BoF for SDN with a goal of >>> >> "discussing the >>> >> technology and identifying work items". The BoF is nominally in the >>> >> Routing >>> >> Area, but I expect considerable involvement from the OPS Area. >>> >> >>> >> That means that it will not be designated a "working group forming >>> BoF". >>> >> In >>> >> other words, the objective of the meeting will not be to discuss the >>> >> precise >>> >> nature of what a new working group would do (charter, scope, >>> milestones, >>> >> documents). Rather, it will try to reach agreement on what the topic >>> >> actually >>> >> is, what work is out there, what belongs in the IETF, who wants to do >>> >> what, and >>> >> how it breaks into manageable units, etc.. >>> >> >>> >> We may find that the outcome is a clear new WG. We might find pieces >>> of >>> >> work >>> >> that belong in different existing WGs. We might find that all the work >>> >> actually >>> >> belongs in another body. And we might find that there is no work to be >>> >> done. >>> >> >>> >> Over the next couple of days I will work with Tom on an initial draft >>> >> agenda for >>> >> the meeting which we will put to you for more debate and bashing. We >>> >> have a 2 >>> >> hour slot, so we should be able to cover quite a lot. >>> >> >>> >> I will also appoint chairs for the BoF relatively soon so that they >>> can >>> >> take on >>> >> a guiding role leading up to the meeting. >>> >> >>> >> OK? >>> >> >>> >> Adrian >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> OPS-DIR mailing list >>> >> OPS-DIR@ietf.org >>> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-dir >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > OPS-DIR mailing list >>> > OPS-DIR@ietf.org >>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-dir >>> >>> >> >> > --f46d044472472e2cab04b0a10692 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Marshal= l Eubanks <marshall.eubanks@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Oct 31, 2= 011 at 6:21 PM, Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> wrote:

OK, do me a favor. I sent a note to vpn= 4dc@, and have since forwarded it to l3vpn@. I'm not a member of the la= tter. So let it through...

Will do