From bclaise@cisco.com Fri Jul 26 12:01:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsarea-chairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsarea-chairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C001911E81CB for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7xh+oDUJxrT6 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA8811E813F for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:01:26 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r6QJ1PgD017902 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:01:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.111.237] (dhcp-10-61-111-237.cisco.com [10.61.111.237]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r6QJ19cd014429 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:01:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51F2C75D.2000903@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:00:45 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opsarea-chairs@ietf.org References: <51F26CD2.8050003@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <51F26CD2.8050003@cisco.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <51F26CD2.8050003@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040108040601050504000103" Subject: [opsarea-chairs] Fwd: Fwd: [OPSAWG] On the use of meeting time X-BeenThere: opsarea-chairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Archived discussions of OPS Area WG Chairs and ADs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:01:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040108040601050504000103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resending to the correct ops chair mailer, opsarea-chairs@ietf.org, which I just updated with all the OPS chairs (from http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/) I also requested to shut down ops-chairs@ietf.org Regards, Benoit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fwd: [OPSAWG] On the use of meeting time Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:34:26 +0200 From: Benoit Claise To: ops-chairs@ietf.org Dear all, Nice email from Melinda. Feel free to reuse and apply in your WG. Regards, Benoit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [OPSAWG] On the use of meeting time Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:46:14 -0800 From: Melinda Shore To: opsawg@ietf.org We've been getting a lot of requests for time on the agenda for the upcoming meeting to "present" drafts which haven't been discussed on the mailing list. This is a reminder that the purpose of meetings is face-to-face discussion of issues that haven't been able to make progress on the mailing list, and to progress deliverables. The IETF is somewhat different from other standards bodies in that meeting time is generally not used for presentation of new material, and that the work of the organization is primarily done via working group mailing lists. The most reliable way to get time on a meeting agenda is to have a lively discussion on the mailing list prior to the meeting. Thanks, Melinda _______________________________________________ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg --------------040108040601050504000103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resending to the correct ops chair mailer, opsarea-chairs@ietf.org, which I just updated with all the OPS chairs (from http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/)
I also requested to shut down ops-chairs@ietf.org

Regards, Benoit


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fwd: [OPSAWG] On the use of meeting time
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:34:26 +0200
From: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
To: ops-chairs@ietf.org <ops-chairs@ietf.org>


Dear all,

Nice email from Melinda.
Feel free to reuse and apply in your WG.

Regards, Benoit


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [OPSAWG] On the use of meeting time
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:46:14 -0800
From: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
To: opsawg@ietf.org <opsawg@ietf.org> 


We've been getting a lot of requests for time on the agenda for
the upcoming meeting to "present" drafts which haven't been
discussed on the mailing list.  This is a reminder that the purpose
of meetings is face-to-face discussion of issues that haven't
been able to make progress on the mailing list, and to progress
deliverables.  The IETF is somewhat different from other standards
bodies in that meeting time is generally not used for presentation
of new material, and that the work of the organization is primarily
done via working group mailing lists.  The most reliable way to
get time on a meeting agenda is to have a lively discussion on
the mailing list prior to the meeting.

Thanks,

Melinda
_______________________________________________
OPSAWG mailing list
OPSAWG@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg




--------------040108040601050504000103-- From bclaise@cisco.com Fri Jul 26 12:25:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsarea-chairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsarea-chairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB01211E812D for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.543 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.543 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.055, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id watip1Zw0+jS for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A29111E8115 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r6QJP0or020223 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:25:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.111.237] (dhcp-10-61-111-237.cisco.com [10.61.111.237]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r6QJOVlx006675 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:24:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51F2CCD6.8020703@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:24:06 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; References: <51F27D0B.6070504@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <51F27D0B.6070504@cisco.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <51F27D0B.6070504@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030807080907060204060204" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:37:22 -0700 Subject: [opsarea-chairs] Fwd: OFF from the end of the IETF till Sept 2nd X-BeenThere: opsarea-chairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Archived discussions of OPS Area WG Chairs and ADs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:25:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030807080907060204060204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resending to the correct and updated OPS WG chairs mailer (opsarea-chairs@ietf.org) Sorry for the potential duplicates Regards, Benoit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: OFF from the end of the IETF till Sept 2nd Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:43:39 +0200 From: Benoit Claise Dear all, [bcc'ed IESG and the OPS WG chairs] As the subject says: I'm off from the end of the IETF till Sept 2nd, with limited email access. I'm sure the Internet is in good hands with you, and that it can survive without me. However, if my attention is required, my mobile is: +32 478 681049. An epage with "read email subject " might be a good way to reach me. Alternatively, I'm available during this week. Regards, Benoit --------------030807080907060204060204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resending to the correct and updated OPS WG chairs mailer (opsarea-chairs@ietf.org)
Sorry for the potential duplicates

Regards, Benoit


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: OFF from the end of the IETF till Sept 2nd
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:43:39 +0200
From: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> 


Dear all,

[bcc'ed IESG and the OPS WG chairs]

As the subject says: I'm off from the end of the IETF till Sept 2nd, 
with limited email access.

I'm sure the Internet is in good hands with you, and that it can survive 
without me.

However, if my attention is required,  my mobile is: +32 478 681049.
An epage with "read email subject <bla>" might be a good way to reach me.
Alternatively, I'm available during this week.

Regards, Benoit


--------------030807080907060204060204-- From bclaise@cisco.com Mon Jul 29 09:38:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsarea-chairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsarea-chairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CB021F965B; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:38:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.533 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.533 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fQHG2tV7Nhwm; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F6221F9E99; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:38:37 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r6TGcYoW028925; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:38:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.164.23] ([10.61.164.23]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r6TGc45r005109; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:38:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51F69A49.5070001@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:37:29 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ops-dir@ietf.org" , opsarea-chairs@ietf.org References: <51F69922.8070707@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <51F69922.8070707@cisco.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <51F69922.8070707@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070803050208060608010401" Subject: [opsarea-chairs] OPS-DIR meeting minutes: July 29th 2013 X-BeenThere: opsarea-chairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Archived discussions of OPS Area WG Chairs and ADs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:38:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070803050208060608010401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Here are the topics we addressed during this OPS-DIR lunch. 1. Gunter was announced as a second OPS-DIR secretary. Gunter went through the process of explaining the OPS-DIR document assignment OPS-DIR member: please don't forget to quickly answer if you can't or are unwilling to review a document, or just to acknowledge the request ACTION: Gunter, please send the slides ACTION: Gunter/Tina to send a reminder if no news were received within a couple of days ACTION: Gunter to investigate the gen-art tool 2. OPS-DIR goals A big task is the document reviews, but that's not all: OPS advisor is also an important part of the job. ACTION: Joel/Benoit to review the list of OPS-DIR members ACTION: Joel/Benoit to ask if the new OPS chairs want to join OPS-DIR 3. WG summaries to be shared at the end IETF week This message is for the OPS chairs. This is what Joel sent: The deadlines for WG summaries is: Friday at 13:130 if your group meets before friday it would be great if they were sent by Thursday evening. if you'd like some examples of what was done for IETF 86, it is here: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/IETF86summary We're looking to briefly capture the major events, this is by no means supposed to be as comprehensive as the minutes. 4. Early OPS-DIR review, during the WGLC Note: this is a current experiment for the gen-art reviews Conclusion: No automatic OPS-DIR review, However, if there is a specific request, we will find a reviewer In the latter case, we must find someone (100 % hit rate). That person might have to follow the draft evolution, potentially subscribing to the WG mailist list. Having the gen-art would be useful, so that we don't reassign this draft when the IETF LC comes 5. document shepherd in IESG telechat Regards, Joel and Benoit --------------070803050208060608010401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Here are the topics we addressed during this OPS-DIR lunch.

1. Gunter was announced as a second OPS-DIR secretary.
Gunter went through the process of explaining the OPS-DIR document assignment
OPS-DIR member: please don't forget to quickly answer if you can't or are unwilling to review a document, or just to acknowledge the request
ACTION: Gunter, please send the slides
ACTION: Gunter/Tina to send a reminder if no news were received within a couple of days
ACTION: Gunter to investigate the gen-art tool

2. OPS-DIR goals
A big task is the document reviews, but that's not all: OPS advisor is also an important part of the job.
ACTION: Joel/Benoit to review the list of OPS-DIR members
ACTION: Joel/Benoit to ask if the new OPS chairs want to join OPS-DIR
       
3. WG summaries to be shared at the end IETF week
This message is for the OPS chairs. This is what Joel sent:
The deadlines for WG summaries is:

Friday at 13:130

if your group meets before friday it would be great if they were sent by
Thursday evening.

if you'd like some examples of what was done for IETF 86, it is here:

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/IETF86summary

We're looking to briefly capture the major events, this is by no means
supposed to be as comprehensive as the minutes.
4. Early OPS-DIR review, during the WGLC
Note: this is a current experiment for the gen-art reviews
Conclusion:
    No automatic OPS-DIR review,
    However, if there is a specific request, we will find a reviewer
In the latter case, we must find someone (100 % hit rate). That person might have to follow the draft evolution, potentially subscribing to the WG mailist list. Having the gen-art would be useful, so that we don't reassign this draft when the IETF LC comes

5. document shepherd in IESG telechat

Regards, Joel and Benoit



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