From ietfdbh@comcast.net Fri May 1 05:43:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D086D28C15F for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 05:43:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.097, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r2zQybpaF1RM for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 05:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7593A71FE for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 05:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id m9mh1b0030Fqzac57CZZKZ; Fri, 01 May 2009 12:33:33 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([24.147.240.21]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mCZs1b00C0UQ6dC3UCZs3G; Fri, 01 May 2009 12:33:52 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: "'Wes Hardaker'" , References: Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:33:37 -0400 Message-ID: <045f01c9ca59$0d2b4750$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnJ0vnqL1gjK/5HTrSnOzCej1tyQwAe5OAg X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [Isms] Latest Proposed Charter Text X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 12:43:06 -0000 Hi, (I have copied this to OPSAWG since that WG is discussed later in this email.) I am not sure how much difference will be encountered between TLS and DTLS support. Trying to do both in one document could be confusing unless there is clear separation. The elements of procedure are especially tricky to get right in ISMS documents. This might be simpler now that we did the SSH TM, whose client/server issues will be similar. I would be interested in understanding which sections in the current document would be impacted by adding TLS to the document. Will it be possible to write most sections in a manner that is independent of the TLS vs DTLS choice, and then capture the differences in separate appendices, or will all the sections, especially EOP, end up with lots of conditional clauses? We need to develop standards that are clear and unambiguous. If putting the two into the same document seriously hurts the clarity, then it should be done as two documents. I think the single most important work to be done following a recharter is AAA-aware access control. Chartering for only that work will probably get it done faster, and that will complete the initial vision of ISMS. The TLS/DTLS work could be done as individual submissions (or is that independent submissions? or AD-sponsored?) I hope Wes's documents are very close to complete, since he has done them in parallel with the SSH work. I would hate to see the WG get bogged down with the TLS/DTLS TMs and not get AAA-aware AC done quickly. I support having TLS and DTLS TMs, because I see growinfg demand for TLS and DTLS transport, but I am not sure there is compelling demand for them at this time. My suggestion would to be recharter for AAA-aware AC, with tight milestones - on the order of six to nine months. When that work is complete, then take on the TLS/DTLS work. -- consistency -- I will note that there is a Proposed Standard for syslog/TLS, and netconf/TLS is in the RFC Editor's queue. There are two proposals for syslog over DTLS. The authors of the two proposals are discussing merging the two documents. Syslog WG is also debating whether to recharter. The syslog chairs and OPS/SEC ADs are discussing whether to do DTLS support in the syslog WG or in OPSAWG or a new syslog-ops WG. The syslog/TLS standard already discusses at length how TLS should be used, including cyphers, certificates, fingerprinting, what to do when a CA is unavailable, and so on, and the newer DTLS draft simply points to the syslog over TLS standard for the TLS processing. The newer syslog over DTLS draft just describes the differences between DTLS and TLS processing, and specific changes to syslog transport. And that can be seen as syslog OPS work, not syslog SEC work. If both syslog over DTLS(TLS) and SNMP over DTLS(TLS) were done in OPSAWG, there might be a greater chance of consistent DTLS(TLS) security, and Wes's draft might be able to simply point to the TLS security processing in the syslog over TLS Proposed Standard as well. If Wes and the syslog authors separated the DTLS-specific differences into a separate document, possibly published in the sylog-sec WG, then both syslog and SNMP transport models could point to that draft. Of course, the syslog drafts are way simpler because they don't need RFC3411 compatibility. The newer of the sylog/DTLS drafts was deliberately made consistent with the syslog/TLS Proposed Standard, and was made consistent with Wes's DTLS-specific support. The Netconf/TLS draft was also made consistent with the syslog/TLS draft. I think Wes tried to keep his draft consistent with other NM/DTLS work going on. So draft consistency work has already been done; it has just already been done by individual editors rather than as a deliberate SEC-area and OPS-area approach. ISMS was originally started because operators want to be able to utilize their existing security systems rather than having SNMP-specific and syslog-specific security infrastructures. By making the TLS and DTLS layers consistent for NM interfaces, we help accomplish that goal. And if we separate the TLS/DTLS support from the NM transport models, we can have the SEC area maintain the security protocol applicability, while OPS maintains the NM bindings. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: isms-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:isms-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Wes Hardaker > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:34 PM > To: isms@ietf.org > Subject: [Isms] Latest Proposed Charter Text > > > Enclosed is the last charter text (which received no comments > after the > last submission). > > The only outstanding question I can think of is whether there was > agreement to include TLS into the DTLS draft or not. Everyone in the > discussion seemed to be "on the fence" so I didn't include it in the > text below, taking that as "not consensus at this time". If > people wish > TLS to be taken into account, now is the time to speak up. > > > > Integrated Security Model for SNMP (isms) > > Last Modified: XXXX > > Additional information is available at tools.ietf.org/wg/isms > > Chair(s): > * Juergen Schoenwaelder > > Security Area Director(s): > * Tim Polk > * Pasi Eronen > > Security Area Advisor: > * Pasi Eronen > > Mailing Lists: > > General Discussion: isms@ietf.org > To Subscribe: isms-request@ietf.org > In Body: in body: (un)subscribe > Archive: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/isms/current/m > aillist.html > > Description of Working Group: > > The Simple Network Management Protocol version 3 (SNMPv3) provides > message security services through the security subsystem. Previously > the ISMS Working Group defined a Transport Subsystem definition, a new > Transport Security Model, and a Secure Shell Transport Model and a > method for authenticating SNMPv3 users via the Remote Authentication > Dial-In User Service (RADIUS). The initial body of work to be > tackled by the working group involved only these pieces. Additional > work on other transport models and other security extensions were to > wait until the initial transport architecture and defining documents > were completed. > > It is now possible to authenticate SNMPv3 messages via a RADIUS when > those messages are sent over the newly defined SSH transport. > However, > it still remains impossible to centrally authorize a given SNMP > transaction as on-device pre-existing authorization configuration is > still required. In order to leverage a centralized RADIUS service to > its full extent, the access control decision in the Access Control > Subsystem needs to be based on authorization information received from > RADIUS as well. The result will be an extension to the View-based > Access Control Model (VACM), to obtain authorization > information for an > authenticated principal from RADIUS. The authorization > information will > be limited to mapping the authenticated principal to existing access > control polices, defining session timeouts, and similar session > parameters. This mechanism will not provision the detailed access > control rules. > > Additionally, new work will be undertaken to define a DTLS-based > transport that can offer support for environments that prefer > certificate authentication and/or datagram-based transmissions. > Certificate based authentication is desirable for many > environments with > a centralized authentication service. Datagram based > transports may be > desired for environments where TCP performance suffers because of > network anomalies (e.g. high packet loss rates). A > DTLS-based transport > would offer a solution that addresses both of these situations. > > The current goal of the ISMS working group is two-fold: to develop a > method for allowing for access control decisions to be based on > information provide by an AAA provisioning service and to develop a > DTLS-based Transport Model. > > The new work must not modify any other aspects of SNMPv3 protocol as > defined in STD 62 (e.g., it must not create new PDU types). > > The working group will cover the following work items: > > - Specify a mechanism to support centralization of SNMPv3 Access > Control decisions by means of a RADIUS-provisioned > username-to-groupname dynamic mapping, that would provide > a binding > between a user and preconfigured VACM policies via > dynamic additions > to the securityToGroupname table. Additionally, specify a > time limit > for access decisions, and such a time limit should be used to > garbage collect expired dynamic securityToGroup mappings. > > - Specify the DTLS transport for SNMP. > > Goals and Milestones: > Jul 2009 Publish initial documentation on the DTLS > transport for SNMP > Jul 2009 Publish initial documentation for the > centralized access control > Jan 2010 Submit documentation on the DTLS transport > for SNMP to IESG > Jan 2010 Submit documentation for the centralized > access control to IESG > > -- > Wes Hardaker > Cobham Analytic Solutions > _______________________________________________ > Isms mailing list > Isms@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms > From ietfdbh@comcast.net Fri May 1 07:29:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985453A706F for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 07:29:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.091, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cdPty5+5BtPy for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 07:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB5B28C1EF for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 07:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mE1L1b0060vyq2s52EV0Ej; Fri, 01 May 2009 14:29:00 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([24.147.240.21]) by OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mEV41b00e0UQ6dC3REV4fm; Fri, 01 May 2009 14:29:05 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: "'Dave Nelson'" , References: <045f01c9ca59$0d2b4750$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <51C8991BA900436F99C3C9559C235900@NEWTON603> Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:29:03 -0400 Message-ID: <046e01c9ca69$2d7be180$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnJ0vnqL1gjK/5HTrSnOzCej1tyQwAe5OAgAAPkslAAAiUGYA== X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <51C8991BA900436F99C3C9559C235900@NEWTON603> Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [Isms] Latest Proposed Charter Text X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 14:29:17 -0000 Hi, > > Chartering for only that work will probably get it done faster, and > > that will complete the initial vision of ISMS. > > This seems like a non sequitur. I don't see any > serialization of work that > would occur because of scarce resources. We only have about six active people in this WG, and they will be involved in both activities. If the AAA-AC becomes in any way dependent on the TLS/DTLS work, I would hate to see the AAA delayed. Maybe you are right. AAA-AC is in the AC subsystem, while TLS/DTLS is in the transport subsystem. Maybe the work will be orthogonal. > > > If both syslog over DTLS(TLS) and SNMP over DTLS(TLS) were done in > > OPSAWG, there might be a greater chance of consistent DTLS(TLS) > > security, and Wes's draft might be able to simply point to the TLS > > security processing in the syslog over TLS Proposed > Standard as well. > > That might be true. OTOH, is there any benefit in doing that > work in a > Security Area WG rather than an Operations & Management Area WG? As Pasi pointed out in the syslog/DTLS discussions, the DTLS processing should be basically the same as the TLS processing. The dufferences are generally minor at the secureity level. But the OPS-level applicability and bindings can be substantially different. If you consider these as two different related pieces, much as SSHTM and the SSH processing are distinct, then it would seem to make sense to me to have the DTLS processing be done in the SEC area. Some of the work is really about understanding the applicability for different tasks. That was a major issue for SSTM, as we had to figure out whether notification originators should be clients or servers. That could get built into the SEC area standards and/or applicability statements for how to use TLS/DTLS for NM. Then the OPS area can deal with writing bindings between specific NM protocols and the underlying, standardized DTLS and TLS layer services. > > > So draft consistency work has already been done; it has just already > > been done by individual editors rather than as a deliberate SEC-area > > and OPS-area approach. ISMS was originally started because operators > > want to be able to utilize their existing security systems > rather than > > having SNMP-specific and syslog-specific security > infrastructures. By > > making the TLS and DTLS layers consistent for NM interfaces, we help > > accomplish that goal. And if we separate the TLS/DTLS > support from the > > NM transport models, we can have the SEC area maintain the security > > protocol applicability, while OPS maintains the NM bindings. > > Certainly there is some benefit to operators in > cross-protocol operational > consistency. Of course I've found that obtaining that kind > of consistency > usually slows things down. Not that speed of completion is > the only driving > factor, of course. It could slow things down, BUT ... much of that work has already been done because the authors of the related documents (Wes, Linda, Rainer, Tom, Badra), have worked to be fairly consistent already. Each NM protocol community that needs secure transport has already completed its work. The remaining TLS and DTLS work is optional to handle less immediate use cases. A little delay for the sake of consistency can probably be accommodated without problems. dbh > > _______________________________________________ > Isms mailing list > Isms@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms > From wjhns1@hardakers.net Fri May 1 11:53:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FC43A6D36; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:53:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.476, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WWYZ5YtXB0n8; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wes.hardakers.net (dcn236-43.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.236.43]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A8F3A67FF; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (wlap.dyn.hardakers.net [127.0.0.1]) by wes.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7E039A0F4; Fri, 1 May 2009 11:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: "David Harrington" Organization: Sparta References: <045f01c9ca59$0d2b4750$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:54:43 -0700 In-Reply-To: <045f01c9ca59$0d2b4750$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> (David Harrington's message of "Fri, 1 May 2009 08:33:37 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) XEmacs/21.4.21 (linux, no MULE) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: opsawg@ietf.org, isms@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Latest Proposed Charter Text X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 18:53:24 -0000 DH> I am not sure how much difference will be encountered between TLS and DH> DTLS support. Trying to do both in one document could be confusing DH> unless there is clear separation. Most of TLS and DTLS are identical in functionality. The certificate handling, etc would be identical and wouldn't change. What would change: 1) The elements of procedure. You're right that it's tricky to get right. The good news is that I think the current draft already reflects a lot of what would be needed. I don't think you've read the current EOPs yet, but if you go look at it you'll notice that right now it already separates out DTLS over UDP from DTLS over SCTP where it makes sense to do so. And that's really only for identifying incoming packets, because TLS and DTLS don't have an internal session identifier. Everything else is identical. Really, TLS would be a similar case to SCTP as both TCP and SCTP are stream based protocols that have internal kernel identification procedures. 2) We'd need another domain/address format. This is trivial. 3) Various wording would need to be cleaned up to include TLS everywhere as appropriate. I don't think this would be difficult, but it would require a complete draft review. Something is likely to be needed anyway. DH> Will it be possible to write most sections in a manner that is DH> independent of the TLS vs DTLS choice, and then capture the DH> differences in separate appendices, or will all the sections, DH> especially EOP, end up with lots of conditional clauses? I think most of the draft would be very similar to what it is now, with slightly more generic wording. The only spot I can think of that needs extra care is the EOP. But I think the existing EOP is close to what we want anyway for how TLS would need to be added. DH> I think the single most important work to be done following a recharter DH> is AAA-aware access control. You may certainly think that. DH> Chartering for only that work will probably get it done faster, and that DH> will complete the initial vision of ISMS. But I'm not sure that the community thinks your prioritization there is right. From the meeting minutes: | | DTLS | Radius | | Authors | 1 [1] | 0 [2] | | Reviewers | 6 | 5 | | Supporters | 9 | 6 | [1] it wasn't asked if anyone else wanted to help edit [2] Editors have since agreed to work on it Now, not everyone was there and certainly the authors of the radius draft alone pick the numbers up a bit in the right most column. But I don't think, based on the numbers, that your weighing of importance is anything other than your own personal preference. I also don't think that one document would hamper the other. I'm not sure they would. In fact, I'm fairly positive they wouldn't. They're even on different time schedules according to the draft charter and I don't think that if you wished to drop the DTLS work that anyone would be willing to move the other schedule dates for AAA mappings up. They're very independent drafts. DH> I support having TLS and DTLS TMs, because I see growing demand for DH> TLS and DTLS transport, but I am not sure there is compelling demand DH> for them at this time. You see demand but no demand??? Huh? As an implementer, I've seen demand for DTLS. I've never seen demand for AAA support. DH> I think Wes tried to keep his draft consistent with other NM/DTLS work DH> going on. I spent most of my time keeping the SNMP/DTLS work consistent with the other ISMS work (TSM and SSH). -- from your other message -- DH> If the AAA-AC becomes in any way dependent on the TLS/DTLS work, I DH> would hate to see the AAA delayed. I don't see how that would ever happen. DH> If you consider these as two different related pieces, much as SSHTM DH> and the SSH processing are distinct, then it would seem to make DH> sense to me to have the DTLS processing be done in the SEC area. I don't see the purpose of considering moving it. The expertise for TLS is here in the security area. The current ADs already have knowledge of the whole ISMS related solution and architecture. -- Wes Hardaker Cobham Analytic Solutions From d.b.nelson@comcast.net Fri May 1 06:19:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A5728C185 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 06:19:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.965 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.965 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.634, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IocNQQB2smD9 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 06:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEA928C191 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 06:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mAj31b0020QuhwU55DHmaN; Fri, 01 May 2009 13:17:46 +0000 Received: from NEWTON603 ([71.232.143.198]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mDHl1b00H4H2mdz3NDHlnS; Fri, 01 May 2009 13:17:46 +0000 From: "Dave Nelson" To: References: <045f01c9ca59$0d2b4750$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: <51C8991BA900436F99C3C9559C235900@NEWTON603> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnJ0vnqL1gjK/5HTrSnOzCej1tyQwAe5OAgAAPkslA= In-Reply-To: <045f01c9ca59$0d2b4750$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 03 May 2009 00:52:50 -0700 Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [Isms] Latest Proposed Charter Text X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 13:19:26 -0000 David Harrington writes... > I think the single most important work to be done following a > recharter is AAA-aware access control. I concur. > Chartering for only that work will probably get it done faster, and > that will complete the initial vision of ISMS. This seems like a non sequitur. I don't see any serialization of work that would occur because of scarce resources. > If both syslog over DTLS(TLS) and SNMP over DTLS(TLS) were done in > OPSAWG, there might be a greater chance of consistent DTLS(TLS) > security, and Wes's draft might be able to simply point to the TLS > security processing in the syslog over TLS Proposed Standard as well. That might be true. OTOH, is there any benefit in doing that work in a Security Area WG rather than an Operations & Management Area WG? > So draft consistency work has already been done; it has just already > been done by individual editors rather than as a deliberate SEC-area > and OPS-area approach. ISMS was originally started because operators > want to be able to utilize their existing security systems rather than > having SNMP-specific and syslog-specific security infrastructures. By > making the TLS and DTLS layers consistent for NM interfaces, we help > accomplish that goal. And if we separate the TLS/DTLS support from the > NM transport models, we can have the SEC area maintain the security > protocol applicability, while OPS maintains the NM bindings. Certainly there is some benefit to operators in cross-protocol operational consistency. Of course I've found that obtaining that kind of consistency usually slows things down. Not that speed of completion is the only driving factor, of course. From cfinss@dial.pipex.com Wed May 6 04:55:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB4D3A6C84; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:55:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.078 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.078 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.521, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MrgkQeuQQ8dU; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B477E3A6A29; Wed, 6 May 2009 04:54:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Trace: 210443367/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-customers/62.188.17.215/None/cfinss@dial.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.188.17.215 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: cfinss@dial.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgEACgYAUo+vBHX/2dsb2JhbACDKIsowVgHgjSBRgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.40,302,1238972400"; d="scan'208";a="210443367" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 1cust215.tnt1.lnd3.gbr.da.uu.net (HELO allison) ([62.188.17.215]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 06 May 2009 12:56:15 +0100 Message-ID: <023e01c9ce39$383f4ca0$0601a8c0@allison> From: "tom.petch" To: "David Harrington" , References: <045f01c9ca59$0d2b4750$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com><51C8991BA900436F99C3C9559C235900@NEWTON603> <046e01c9ca69$2d7be180$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:36:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [Isms] Latest Proposed Charter Text X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "tom.petch" List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:55:02 -0000 From: "David Harrington" To: "'Dave Nelson'" ; Cc: Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 4:29 PM > > > > Chartering for only that work will probably get it done faster, and > > > that will complete the initial vision of ISMS. > > > > This seems like a non sequitur. I don't see any serialization of work that > > would occur because of scarce resources. > > We only have about six active people in this WG, and they will be > involved in both activities. > If the AAA-AC becomes in any way dependent on the TLS/DTLS work, I > would hate to see the AAA delayed. > Maybe you are right. AAA-AC is in the AC subsystem, while TLS/DTLS is > in the transport subsystem. > Maybe the work will be orthogonal. > > > > > If both syslog over DTLS(TLS) and SNMP over DTLS(TLS) were done in > > > OPSAWG, there might be a greater chance of consistent DTLS(TLS) > > > security, and Wes's draft might be able to simply point to the TLS > > > security processing in the syslog over TLS Proposed > > Standard as well. > > > > That might be true. OTOH, is there any benefit in doing that > > work in a > > Security Area WG rather than an Operations & Management Area WG? > > As Pasi pointed out in the syslog/DTLS discussions, the DTLS processing > should be basically the same as the TLS processing. The dufferences are > generally minor at the secureity level. But the OPS-level applicability > and bindings can be substantially different. > > If you consider these as two different related pieces, much as SSHTM > and > the SSH processing are distinct, then it would seem to make sense to > me > to have the DTLS processing be done in the SEC area. Some of the work > is > really about understanding the applicability for different tasks. That > > was a major issue for SSTM, as we had to figure out whether > notification > originators should be clients or servers. That could get built into > the > SEC area standards and/or applicability statements for how to use > TLS/DTLS > for NM. > > Then the OPS area can deal with writing bindings between specific NM > protocols and the underlying, standardized DTLS and TLS layer > services. I agree that the priority should be with AAA-AC work (even though that holds little interest for me; Windows Active Directory anyone?) so that should be the focus of any rechartering. Including DTLS at this stage would be to take resources from AAA-AC and so delay it. (Resources is not something that isms WG is rich in:-) As and when DTLS is part of a charter, I think that it would be very wrong to include TLS. SSHTM has been the most troublesome part of the three I-Ds so far, and all the factors that make it so are present in full measure in DTLSTM. Recall that when Pasi pointed out that securityName alice with transportAddress bob@example.com:request produced a Response with securityName bob, it took five months and endless e-mails to resolve. And that is only the most recent of issues where what is in the documents is not what people assume the documents mean, each of which takes ages to resolve. We might finish DTLSTM in less than the four years it has taken us to progress sshtm but I cannot see it being straightforward. TLSTM is different, in many ways, not so much with the security aspects but in having sessions and in the SNMP considerations. Right now, I expect that it would be easier to do than DTLSTM just because of those sessions but putting the two together in one docuemnt would be ... madness (IMHO). Tom Petch > > > > > So draft consistency work has already been done; it has just > already > > > been done by individual editors rather than as a deliberate > SEC-area > > > and OPS-area approach. ISMS was originally started because > operators > > > want to be able to utilize their existing security systems > > rather than > > > having SNMP-specific and syslog-specific security > > infrastructures. By > > > making the TLS and DTLS layers consistent for NM interfaces, we > help > > > accomplish that goal. And if we separate the TLS/DTLS > > support from the > > > NM transport models, we can have the SEC area maintain the > security > > > protocol applicability, while OPS maintains the NM bindings. > > > > Certainly there is some benefit to operators in > > cross-protocol operational > > consistency. Of course I've found that obtaining that kind > > of consistency > > usually slows things down. Not that speed of completion is > > the only driving > > factor, of course. > > It could slow things down, BUT ... much of that work has already been > done > because the authors of the related documents (Wes, Linda, Rainer, Tom, > Badra), > have worked to be fairly consistent already. > > Each NM protocol community that needs secure transport has already > completed its work. > The remaining TLS and DTLS work is optional to handle less immediate > use cases. A > little delay for the sake of consistency can probably be accommodated > without problems. > > dbh > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Isms mailing list > > Isms@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms > > > > _______________________________________________ > Isms mailing list > Isms@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isms From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Wed May 6 05:43:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DE93A6F1B; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:43:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.784 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.135, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LGEXXvAjDDqd; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BF83A71EB; Wed, 6 May 2009 05:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7056C0003; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:41:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CzO9Xg7a3n6s; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:41:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AE3C000C; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:41:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 43BB4ADC5C7; Wed, 6 May 2009 14:40:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:40:41 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "tom.petch" Message-ID: <20090506124041.GF21810@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "tom.petch" , David Harrington , "isms@ietf.org" , "opsawg@ietf.org" References: <045f01c9ca59$0d2b4750$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <51C8991BA900436F99C3C9559C235900@NEWTON603> <046e01c9ca69$2d7be180$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <023e01c9ce39$383f4ca0$0601a8c0@allison> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <023e01c9ce39$383f4ca0$0601a8c0@allison> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" , "isms@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [Isms] Latest Proposed Charter Text X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:43:58 -0000 On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:36:18PM +0200, tom.petch wrote: > I agree that the priority should be with AAA-AC work (even though > that holds little interest for me; Windows Active Directory anyone?) > so that should be the focus of any rechartering. Including DTLS at > this stage would be to take resources from AAA-AC and so delay > it. (Resources is not something that isms WG is rich in:-) Yes, I am concerned about the lack of resources. On the other hand, the RADIUS AAA work is very different from the [D]TLS transport work and we have a non-overlapping set of document editors. How much work is needed on the AAA document would for me be easier to judge if there would actually be a draft I could look at. > As and when DTLS is part of a charter, I think that it would be very > wrong to include TLS. SSHTM has been the most troublesome part of > the three I-Ds so far, and all the factors that make it so are > present in full measure in DTLSTM. Recall that when Pasi pointed > out that securityName alice with transportAddress > bob@example.com:request produced a Response with securityName bob, > it took five months and endless e-mails to resolve. And that is > only the most recent of issues where what is in the documents is not > what people assume the documents mean, each of which takes ages to > resolve. We might finish DTLSTM in less than the four years it has > taken us to progress sshtm but I cannot see it being > straightforward. > > TLSTM is different, in many ways, not so much with the security > aspects but in having sessions and in the SNMP considerations. Right > now, I expect that it would be easier to do than DTLSTM just because > of those sessions but putting the two together in one docuemnt would > be ... madness (IMHO). As far as I understand TLS and DTLS, both protocols are pretty similar in the way they authenticate principals, so I am not sure I share your concerns (speaking as a technical contributor). How we deal with [D]TLS certificates and map them to securityNames will be rather common between TLS and DTLS based transports. The proposed charter text posted by Wes does not state whether this is going to be one or two documents; perhaps the best thing is to wait until there is a concrete proposal on the table and then take an informed decision. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From wjhns1@hardakers.net Wed May 6 06:37:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CCD3A685C; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:37:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.431, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n7T3Q4HGjIdm; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wes.hardakers.net (dcn236-43.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.236.43]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21B63A6EED; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (wlap.dyn.hardakers.net [127.0.0.1]) by wes.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323E439A0EA; Wed, 6 May 2009 06:36:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: "tom.petch" Organization: Sparta References: <045f01c9ca59$0d2b4750$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <51C8991BA900436F99C3C9559C235900@NEWTON603> <046e01c9ca69$2d7be180$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <023e01c9ce39$383f4ca0$0601a8c0@allison> <20090506124041.GF21810@elstar.local> Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 06:36:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20090506124041.GF21810@elstar.local> (Juergen Schoenwaelder's message of "Wed, 6 May 2009 14:40:41 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) XEmacs/21.4.21 (linux, no MULE) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" , "isms@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] IsmsLatest Proposed Charter Text X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:37:05 -0000 >>>>> On Wed, 6 May 2009 14:40:41 +0200, Juergen Schoenwaelder said: JS> The proposed charter text posted by Wes does not state whether this is JS> going to be one or two documents; perhaps the best thing is to wait JS> until there is a concrete proposal on the table and then take an JS> informed decision. I did envision one, since that's what most people wanted *if* it could be done cleanly, which I think it can (though since I haven't done it yet, I reserve the right to change my mind later). I'll start immediately working on it after the decision by the WG is made that I should be working on it in the first place. FYI, the current DTLS draft already has two sub-transports: UDP and SCTP. It was not that difficult to add SCTP to the wording. In fact SCTP is closer to real TLS from a usage point of view since it's stream based [it also happens to be message based too]. The biggest difference between the wording between the UDP and SCTP components was how streaming affects things [in quick summary: without streaming you have to manually figure out the session id for the incoming packet]. Thus, in summary, I don't expect the TLS work to be hard at all. The bigger issue will be the careful search and replace and making sure the wording works everywhere. I don't think technical aspects will be difficult at all. -- Wes Hardaker Cobham Analytic Solutions From SCHISHOL@nortel.com Thu May 7 06:58:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B0E3A6AE8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 06:58:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vVS7hJzedBNv for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 06:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com (zcars04e.nortel.com [47.129.242.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20C13A6906 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 06:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id n47Dwao24370; Thu, 7 May 2009 13:58:36 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:59:28 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Thread-Index: AcmsDih5tWsd6WE4QSa4IHoZbE2QBwITPrlAATV6K8AFeq8xwA== References: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41824B2E0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090201133347.GA18098@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CA06@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090323135224.GA14442@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CEAD@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "David Harrington" , "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:58:11 -0000 Hi Is that all that is required to fix it? Add a context parameter? I thought there would be more to it than that. I like that idea better. I'll do two pre-versions: one to remove and one to add context and people can see which they like. Sharon=20 -----Original Message----- From: David Harrington [mailto:ietfdbh@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:38 PM To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00); 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Hi, I think my perspective is to either fix it or remove it. As Juergen and I have pointed out, the OID is incomplete without a context.=20 dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sharon Chisholm > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:00 AM > To: Juergen Schoenwaelder > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm >=20 > Hi >=20 > It is acknowledged that resourceOID does not work in all circumstances > but the idea of leaving it in is that it is understood by the majority > of SNMP users. The URI approach was introduced to cover the cases that > OID could not. So, we are using the SNMP URI approach either way, the > question is whether to also keep the resourceOID. In my view, using=20 > OIDS, which are universally understood, is something a lot of=20 > implementations will want to do so it would be nice to have a standard > way to do that, but I'll go with working group consensus.=20 >=20 > So far I have heard >=20 > Dave H - remove it > Sharon - keep it > Juergen - remove it or align it to other work >=20 > So, if there are no other views I would suggest that we remove it. >=20 > Sharon >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:54 PM > To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm >=20 > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 05:04:41PM +0100, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > =20 > > So, are you OK with leaving all three in the document? >=20 > Once again, resourceOID is broken. If you leave it, you have to fix=20 > it. > My preference would be to either (a) use the SNMP URI scheme or > (b) use the the SNMP to SYSLOG mappings also defined as part of the=20 > OPSAWG working group. If you plan to invent a third solution, make=20 > sure you have strong arguments; I prefer to reuse existing solutions. >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >=20 From SCHISHOL@nortel.com Thu May 7 11:07:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C2E28C12D for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:07:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v7nOx-ck-mOm for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrtps0kp.nortel.com (zrtps0kp.nortel.com [47.140.192.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61723A71F8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 11:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zrtps0kp.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id n47I8Dg17713; Thu, 7 May 2009 18:08:13 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C9CF3E.BB72CCD3" Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:07:45 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Thread-Index: AcmsDih5tWsd6WE4QSa4IHoZbE2QBwITPrlAATV6K8AFeq8xwAAIs2vA References: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41824B2E0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090201133347.GA18098@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CA06@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090323135224.GA14442@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CEAD@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "David Harrington" , "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 18:07:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9CF3E.BB72CCD3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi As promised. Sharon=20 -----Original Message----- From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:59 AM To: David Harrington; Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Hi Is that all that is required to fix it? Add a context parameter? I thought there would be more to it than that. I like that idea better. I'll do two pre-versions: one to remove and one to add context and people can see which they like. Sharon=20 -----Original Message----- From: David Harrington [mailto:ietfdbh@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:38 PM To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00); 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Hi, I think my perspective is to either fix it or remove it. As Juergen and I have pointed out, the OID is incomplete without a context.=20 dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sharon Chisholm > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:00 AM > To: Juergen Schoenwaelder > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm >=20 > Hi >=20 > It is acknowledged that resourceOID does not work in all circumstances > but the idea of leaving it in is that it is understood by the majority > of SNMP users. The URI approach was introduced to cover the cases that > OID could not. So, we are using the SNMP URI approach either way, the > question is whether to also keep the resourceOID. In my view, using=20 > OIDS, which are universally understood, is something a lot of=20 > implementations will want to do so it would be nice to have a standard > way to do that, but I'll go with working group consensus.=20 >=20 > So far I have heard >=20 > Dave H - remove it > Sharon - keep it > Juergen - remove it or align it to other work >=20 > So, if there are no other views I would suggest that we remove it. >=20 > Sharon >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:54 PM > To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm >=20 > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 05:04:41PM +0100, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > =20 > > So, are you OK with leaving all three in the document? >=20 > Once again, resourceOID is broken. If you leave it, you have to fix=20 > it. > My preference would be to either (a) use the SNMP URI scheme or > (b) use the the SNMP to SYSLOG mappings also defined as part of the=20 > OPSAWG working group. 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amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mpEv7t6teWuR; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:04:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC45C01B0; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:04:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4D58AAE239D; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:04:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:04:33 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Sharon Chisholm Message-ID: <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Sharon Chisholm , David Harrington , "opsawg@ietf.org" References: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41824B2E0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090201133347.GA18098@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CA06@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090323135224.GA14442@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CEAD@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:04:20 -0000 On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 08:07:45PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > As promised. Sorry, but the description of resourceContext looks like a joke. I have no clue how someone implements this in an interoperable manner. See RFC 3411 for a definition what an SNMP context is. That said, I clearly prefer the resourceURI approach but (a) I do not agree with the unneeded restriction to just SNMP URIs - I would prefer to allow any URIs but spell out that SNMP URIs can and must be used to refer to SNMP objects and (b) I think the example given is wrong. (And references to the respective RFCs are missing as well.) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From ietfdbh@comcast.net Thu May 7 12:59:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136073A7127 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:59:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.082, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5vQzONBIS+BD for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19163A68A3 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 12:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oerA1b0060mv7h05Ak0apw; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:00:34 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([24.147.240.21]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ok0Z1b00H0UQ6dC3Xk0ZCD; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:00:34 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: "'Juergen Schoenwaelder'" , "'Sharon Chisholm'" References: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41824B2E0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090201133347.GA18098@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CA06@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090323135224.GA14442@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CEAD@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnPRrd/YmxXJ2HZQDSIgvjZMeXosQABOmBQ X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:59:10 -0000 Hi, I agree with Juergen. The "fixed" file is a pitiful response to the requested changes. I find it insulting. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Sharon Chisholm > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm > > On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 08:07:45PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > > > As promised. > > Sorry, but the description of resourceContext looks like a joke. I > have no clue how someone implements this in an interoperable manner. > See RFC 3411 for a definition what an SNMP context is. > > That said, I clearly prefer the resourceURI approach but (a) I do not > agree with the unneeded restriction to just SNMP URIs - I would prefer > to allow any URIs but spell out that SNMP URIs can and must be used to > refer to SNMP objects and (b) I think the example given is wrong. (And > references to the respective RFCs are missing as well.) > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > From SCHISHOL@nortel.com Fri May 8 06:01:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975F83A6B06 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:01:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i-ConNuowhlO for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com (zcars04e.nortel.com [47.129.242.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AAD28C0EC for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id n48D1DA28294; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:01:14 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:02:07 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Thread-Index: AcnPRrd/YmxXJ2HZQDSIgvjZMeXosQABOmBQACQ5WfA= References: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41824B2E0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090201133347.GA18098@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CA06@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090323135224.GA14442@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CEAD@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "David Harrington" , "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:01:40 -0000 Hi I just assumed people would know how to fill in the context if they were familiar with SNMP, but you are right, a more specific description would help interoperability. I almost agree with you about the general URI idea. The primary goal here was to be able to specify SNMP-managed resources. I suppose that doesn't mean we need to preclude other URIs. I modelled the URI example on what I saw in the SNMP URI RFC examples. I've never used them before in my life. Can you clarify what is wrong about it? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: David Harrington [mailto:ietfdbh@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:01 PM To: 'Juergen Schoenwaelder'; Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Hi, I agree with Juergen. The "fixed" file is a pitiful response to the requested changes. I find it insulting. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Sharon Chisholm > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm >=20 > On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 08:07:45PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > =20 > > As promised. >=20 > Sorry, but the description of resourceContext looks like a joke. I=20 > have no clue how someone implements this in an interoperable manner. > See RFC 3411 for a definition what an SNMP context is. >=20 > That said, I clearly prefer the resourceURI approach but (a) I do not > agree with the unneeded restriction to just SNMP URIs - I would prefer > to allow any URIs but spell out that SNMP URIs can and must be used to > refer to SNMP objects and (b) I think the example given is wrong. (And > references to the respective RFCs are missing as well.) >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Fri May 8 06:13:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49A03A6CE4 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:13:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.091 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.091 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.158, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aEpLsxIJXCpQ for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DBD3A6BED for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282DDC01EE; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:14:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UG1bJm5wlqmT; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85A6C01E8; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:14:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id F1BE5AE36E2; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:14:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:14:23 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Sharon Chisholm Message-ID: <20090508131423.GA27807@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Sharon Chisholm , David Harrington , "opsawg@ietf.org" References: <20090323135224.GA14442@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CEAD@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:13:23 -0000 On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 03:02:07PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > I just assumed people would know how to fill in the context if they were > familiar with SNMP, but you are right, a more specific description would > help interoperability. For someone familiar with the notion of SNMP contexts, it is clear that it is completely unclear how to fill this new SD-ID param out. People making proposals should IMHO do their homework and work through the details of the proposal first, or even better implement what they propose to see how it works. > I modelled the URI example on what I saw in the SNMP URI RFC examples. > I've never used them before in my life. Can you clarify what is wrong > about it? OLD: snmp:example.com/1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.1.42 NEW: snmp:example.com//1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.1.42 And the reason for the double slash is exactly the SNMP context... See RFC 4088 for the details and RFC3411 section 3.3.1 for the definition of an SNMP context. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From wjhns1@hardakers.net Fri May 8 08:32:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B610E3A68DA for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:32:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.58 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.58 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.408, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PBIH3XGgSLQM for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wes.hardakers.net (dcn236-43.dcn.davis.ca.us [168.150.236.43]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016D43A67FD for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (wlap.dyn.hardakers.net [127.0.0.1]) by wes.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E722439A2C3; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:33:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: Sharon Chisholm Organization: Sparta References: <20090323135224.GA14442@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CEAD@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090508131423.GA27807@elstar.local> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:33:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20090508131423.GA27807@elstar.local> (Juergen Schoenwaelder's message of "Fri, 8 May 2009 15:14:23 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) XEmacs/21.4.21 (linux, no MULE) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 15:32:11 -0000 >>>>> On Fri, 8 May 2009 15:14:23 +0200, Juergen Schoenwaelder said: JS> OLD: JS> snmp:example.com/1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.1.42 JS> NEW: JS> snmp:example.com//1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.1.42 NEWER: snmp://example.com//1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.1.42 -- Wes Hardaker Cobham Analytic Solutions From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Fri May 8 08:38:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E003A68DA for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:38:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.092 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.092 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.157, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HBUBfb++JJr1 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D06E3A67B7 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 08:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F514C01E8; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:39:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xCzWov9YLhfM; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:39:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AEBC0067; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:39:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 432B7AE3C02; Fri, 8 May 2009 17:39:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:39:33 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Wes Hardaker Message-ID: <20090508153933.GA28289@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Wes Hardaker , Sharon Chisholm , "opsawg@ietf.org" References: <20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090508131423.GA27807@elstar.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 15:38:27 -0000 On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 05:33:39PM +0200, Wes Hardaker wrote: > >>>>> On Fri, 8 May 2009 15:14:23 +0200, Juergen Schoenwaelder said: > > JS> OLD: > > JS> snmp:example.com/1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.1.42 > > JS> NEW: > > JS> snmp:example.com//1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.1.42 > > NEWER: > > snmp://example.com//1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.1.42 Yep - we are getting closer. ;-) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From SCHISHOL@nortel.com Fri May 8 11:43:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19D83A70B7 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:43:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4yKdRJ0b88SC for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrtps0kp.nortel.com (zrtps0kp.nortel.com [47.140.192.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604E83A6E2F for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zrtps0kp.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id n48Ij8d11174; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:45:08 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:43:44 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FCAB6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Thread-Index: AcnPRrd/YmxXJ2HZQDSIgvjZMeXosQABOmBQACQ5WfAAC/jmgA== References: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41824B2E0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090201133347.GA18098@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CA06@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090323135224.GA14442@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CEAD@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local><08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "David Harrington" , "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:43:49 -0000 Hi I'm now updating the two proposals (where a third might be to turn the URI into a generic URI and keep it and OID+Context) and have noticed a potential ambiguity. I thought someone might have discussed this earlier, but can't now find the email.=20 When dealing with the default context, there are some options. 1. When the resource is in the default context, the context is "" 2. When the resource is in the default context, the context is not present 3. Both 1 or 2. I know some syslog implementations are concerned about message length, so I prefer 2. Sharon=20 -----Original Message----- From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:02 AM To: David Harrington; Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Hi I just assumed people would know how to fill in the context if they were familiar with SNMP, but you are right, a more specific description would help interoperability. I almost agree with you about the general URI idea. The primary goal here was to be able to specify SNMP-managed resources. I suppose that doesn't mean we need to preclude other URIs. I modelled the URI example on what I saw in the SNMP URI RFC examples. I've never used them before in my life. Can you clarify what is wrong about it? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: David Harrington [mailto:ietfdbh@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:01 PM To: 'Juergen Schoenwaelder'; Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Hi, I agree with Juergen. The "fixed" file is a pitiful response to the requested changes. I find it insulting. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Sharon Chisholm > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm >=20 > On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 08:07:45PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > =20 > > As promised. >=20 > Sorry, but the description of resourceContext looks like a joke. I=20 > have no clue how someone implements this in an interoperable manner. > See RFC 3411 for a definition what an SNMP context is. >=20 > That said, I clearly prefer the resourceURI approach but (a) I do not > agree with the unneeded restriction to just SNMP URIs - I would prefer > to allow any URIs but spell out that SNMP URIs can and must be used to > refer to SNMP objects and (b) I think the example given is wrong. (And > references to the respective RFCs are missing as well.) >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 _______________________________________________ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From root@core3.amsl.com Mon May 11 11:15:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietf.org Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id C5E7F3A6A9A; Mon, 11 May 2009 11:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090511181501.C5E7F3A6A9A@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management-07.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:15:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Sharon -----Original Message----- From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:44 PM To: David Harrington; Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Hi I'm now updating the two proposals (where a third might be to turn the URI into a generic URI and keep it and OID+Context) and have noticed a potential ambiguity. I thought someone might have discussed this earlier, but can't now find the email.=20 When dealing with the default context, there are some options. 1. When the resource is in the default context, the context is "" 2. When the resource is in the default context, the context is not present 3. Both 1 or 2. I know some syslog implementations are concerned about message length, so I prefer 2. 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(elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4703AC01E6; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:42:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 374BEAEB435; Wed, 13 May 2009 18:42:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:42:34 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Sharon Chisholm Message-ID: <20090513164234.GA7730@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Sharon Chisholm , David Harrington , "opsawg@ietf.org" References: <20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FCAB6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:41:28 -0000 On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 06:04:26PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > Attached are updates of both proposed paths forward with changes > discussed and a few other bits of clean up. I though we had agreement that there is no need to restrict the URI to the snmp: scheme. But the text does not reflect that agreement. Concerning the other version, let me once again point you to RFC 3411 and in particular the fact that a context is not the same as a contextName. And in general, I would prefer shorter SD element names to save valuable space in syslog messages. Everything is scoped by the "alarm" SDID so using short names should carry not much risk of problems later on. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From SCHISHOL@nortel.com Wed May 13 09:59:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7D53A6C63 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 09:59:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GBUsM2nIHZJ9 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 09:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com (zcars04e.nortel.com [47.129.242.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868243A6CB2 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 09:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id n4DGxOE20751; Wed, 13 May 2009 16:59:24 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:59:59 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8B5A@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <20090513164234.GA7730@elstar.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Thread-Index: AcnT6eRD+Rn+h0gmTNq6EtRdxTf/xQAAM4aw References: <20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FCAB6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090513164234.GA7730@elstar.local> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:59:04 -0000 Hi I wasn't sure we reached full agreement on the URI issue, but if we have I would propose I merge the two proposals into one and have resourceURI, resourceOID and resourceContext. Would that make sense? I'll reread 3411. The names are self-describing and familiar to people doing a lot of alarm management. I'm not sure shortening them (probableCause->cause, trendIndication->trend, perceivedSeverity->Severity, eventType->event) is worth it. I know, for example that sometimes there is more than one severity in an alarm record, but I guess these sort of extensions would be done in a different SD-ID. Sharon =20 -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:43 PM To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 06:04:26PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: =20 > Attached are updates of both proposed paths forward with changes=20 > discussed and a few other bits of clean up. I though we had agreement that there is no need to restrict the URI to the snmp: scheme. But the text does not reflect that agreement. Concerning the other version, let me once again point you to RFC 3411 and in particular the fact that a context is not the same as a contextName. And in general, I would prefer shorter SD element names to save valuable space in syslog messages. Everything is scoped by the "alarm" SDID so using short names should carry not much risk of problems later on. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From ietfdbh@comcast.net Wed May 13 10:34:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281D128C1AF for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:34:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.506 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O5oSKu-uUmRV for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350563A68D9 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r1Fi1b01D16LCl0575byRT; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:35:58 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([24.147.240.21]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r5cL1b00e0UQ6dC3S5cLiu; Wed, 13 May 2009 17:36:21 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: "'Sharon Chisholm'" , "'Juergen Schoenwaelder'" References: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41824B2E0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090201133347.GA18098@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CA06@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090323135224.GA14442@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418C6CEAD@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090323165337.GA15855@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B418EE1A3E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local><08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FCAB6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c9d3f1$53d11440$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-index: AcnPRrd/YmxXJ2HZQDSIgvjZMeXosQABOmBQACQ5WfAAC/jmgAD1x6NAAAMX62A= Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:34:49 -0000 Hi Sharon, Here's an overview statement from RFC3411 section 3.3: Thus, in order to identify an individual item of management information within the management domain, its contextName and contextEngineID must be identified in addition to its object type and its instance. So instead of ResourceOID and ResourceContext, I think you need contextEngineID, contextName, objectType, and objectID. The full details of what these fields MUST contain to be useful can be found in RFC3411 section 3.3. David Harrington dbharrington@comcast.net ietfdbh@comcast.net dharrington@huawei.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Sharon Chisholm [mailto:schishol@nortel.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:04 PM > To: David Harrington; Juergen Schoenwaelder > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm > > Hi > > Attached are updates of both proposed paths forward with changes > discussed and a few other bits of clean up. > > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:44 PM > To: David Harrington; Juergen Schoenwaelder > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm > > Hi > > I'm now updating the two proposals (where a third might be to turn the > URI into a generic URI and keep it and OID+Context) and have noticed a > potential ambiguity. I thought someone might have discussed this > earlier, but can't now find the email. > > When dealing with the default context, there are some options. > > 1. When the resource is in the default context, the context is "" > 2. When the resource is in the default context, the context is not > present 3. Both 1 or 2. > > I know some syslog implementations are concerned about message length, > so I prefer 2. > > Sharon > > From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Wed May 13 15:09:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712FE3A6B93 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:09:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.152, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WNc7uUFKCpaI for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28D83A67D1 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A7DC01FB; Thu, 14 May 2009 00:10:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fQYnt4Sa+qiJ; Thu, 14 May 2009 00:10:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77391C0075; Thu, 14 May 2009 00:10:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id D880CAEB730; Thu, 14 May 2009 00:10:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:10:03 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Sharon Chisholm Message-ID: <20090513221003.GB7825@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Sharon Chisholm , David Harrington , "opsawg@ietf.org" References: <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FCAB6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090513164234.GA7730@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8B5A@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8B5A@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:09:00 -0000 On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 06:59:59PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > I wasn't sure we reached full agreement on the URI issue, but if we have > I would propose I merge the two proposals into one and have resourceURI, > resourceOID and resourceContext. Would that make sense? Having two ways to represent the same information is not helpful - resourceURI is a powerful approach since it is not tightly bound to SNMP and thus much more widely applicable. I think I know my preference... /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From root@core3.amsl.com Fri May 15 00:00:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietf.org Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id D85793A6A50; Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090515070001.D85793A6A50@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-snmp-03.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:00:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : Mapping Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) Notifications to SYSLOG Messages Author(s) : V. Marinov, J. Schoenwaelder Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-snmp-03.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2009-05-14 This memo defines a mapping from Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) notifications to SYSLOG messages. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-snmp-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-snmp-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-05-14235303.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From root@core3.amsl.com Fri May 15 00:00:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietf.org Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id DF2763A6A87; Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090515070001.DF2763A6A87@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 00:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-msg-mib-03.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:00:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for Mapping SYSLOG Messages to Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) Notifications Author(s) : J. Schoenwaelder, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-msg-mib-03.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2009-05-14 This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines a mapping of SYSLOG messages to Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) notifications. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-msg-mib-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-msg-mib-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-05-14235313.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From ietfdbh@comcast.net Fri May 15 04:58:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F873A6809 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 04:58:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.102, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NosS1Raj9fO1 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 04:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3F13A69BB for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 04:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rmBQ1b0050Fqzac55o0D6l; Fri, 15 May 2009 12:00:13 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([24.147.240.21]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ro0C1b00L0UQ6dC3Uo0Cxm; Fri, 15 May 2009 12:00:13 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:00:11 -0400 Message-ID: <017701c9d554$b34e1da0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-index: AcnVVLLNkPzX5k5sRm6t7tigeu7qTw== Subject: [OPSAWG] looking for old drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:58:39 -0000 Hi, The SNMP community worked on time-based contexts in the SNMPv2 WG. IIRC, the SNMP community worked on a MIB that performed a "copy to startup" for SNMP SETs. I would like to look at these old internet-drafts. Does anybody have an old copy of any of these they could send me? Thanks, David Harrington dbharrington@comcast.net ietfdbh@comcast.net dharrington@huawei.com From mark@ellisonsoftware.com Sat May 16 08:26:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581B03A6864 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 08:26:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f0UqlGv8lNak for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 08:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f166.google.com (mail-gx0-f166.google.com [209.85.217.166]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD9E3A6817 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 08:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so4700818gxk.13 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 08:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.55.3 with SMTP id d3mr3933277aga.100.1242487676543; Sat, 16 May 2009 08:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.205? (pool-71-168-120-235.cncdnh.fios.myfairpoint.net [71.168.120.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm4294203agb.28.2009.05.16.08.27.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 May 2009 08:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A0EDC5C.2020801@ieee.org> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:31:40 -0400 From: Mark Ellison Organization: Ellison Software Consulting, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Harrington References: <017701c9d554$b34e1da0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <017701c9d554$b34e1da0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] looking for old drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ellison@ieee.org List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:26:26 -0000 Hi David, I would imagine the old SNMPv2 internet-drafts would appear in the WG archive accessible at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/concluded-wg-ietf-mail-archive/snmpv2 Regards, Mark Ellison ellison@ieee.org http://EllisonSoftware.com/ On 05/15/2009 08:00 AM, David Harrington wrote: > Hi, > > The SNMP community worked on time-based contexts in the SNMPv2 WG. > IIRC, the SNMP community worked on a MIB that performed a "copy to > startup" for SNMP SETs. > > I would like to look at these old internet-drafts. Does anybody have > an old copy of any of these they could send me? > > Thanks, > David Harrington > dbharrington@comcast.net > ietfdbh@comcast.net > dharrington@huawei.com > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > > From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Sat May 16 21:22:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5071A3A6977 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 21:22:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.056 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.056 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.057, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id up7zFa4cQ8+m for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 21:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AEA3A6803 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 21:22:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=MGzN6OwsKKsYQfHqO1N1apOpiaw2c3VUOCIvpZOk/VG+7Gn+zy8vMPmcNm36OHRM; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.167.204.168] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1M5Xv3-0005bK-JP for opsawg@ietf.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 00:24:13 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01c9d6a7$c7c48f40$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: References: <017701c9d554$b34e1da0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <4A0EDC5C.2020801@ieee.org> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 21:27:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d88884f945684cbf6968e4ec9593cf5d18bd2de148986073fe37350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.204.168 Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] looking for old drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 04:22:40 -0000 Hi - > From: "Mark Ellison" > To: "David Harrington" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] looking for old drafts ... > I would imagine the old SNMPv2 internet-drafts would appear in the WG > archive accessible at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/concluded-wg-ietf-mail-archive/snmpv2 Don't forget that some of this may have been talked about as part of the SMP effort. Part of the complexity of the time domain stuff was that it was also entangled with cache policies, and not as a clearly and precisely articulated separation of configuration data from other management information. Randy From wwwrun@core3.amsl.com Tue May 19 06:39:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietf.org Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id DC6B63A6AC0; Tue, 19 May 2009 06:39:36 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Message-Id: <20090519133936.DC6B63A6AC0@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:39:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:40:29 -0700 Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] Last Call: draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management (Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols and Protocol Extensions) to BCP X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:39:37 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Operations and Management Area Working Group WG (opsawg) to consider the following document: - 'Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols and Protocol Extensions ' as a BCP The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2009-06-02. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management-07.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=16452&rfc_flag=0 From SCHISHOL@nortel.com Tue May 19 07:27:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E1228C0F6 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 07:27:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t-T1DX71bOUi for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 07:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com (zcars04e.nortel.com [47.129.242.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FF43A6E9D for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 07:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id n4JERQo05193; Tue, 19 May 2009 14:27:26 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:28:27 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B419643BC0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <20090513221003.GB7825@elstar.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Thread-Index: AcnUF6QOzfvThh5xTL+p+1u0NAbXhgEdgEmg References: <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FCAB6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090513164234.GA7730@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8B5A@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090513221003.GB7825@elstar.local> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:27:06 -0000 Hi Ok. I think we need a tie breaker vote here. Juergen: Just resourceURI, where it can handle SNMP URIs and other URIs Dave H: SNMP Context + additional fields to support. I don't have a strong opinion, but if we do need as many fields as Dave indicates we do, perhaps we should stick to resourceURI, using SNMP examples. I think the example demonstrates how to use it, even for people who are not familiar with the SNMP URI, which I think would be most people. Sharon=20 -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:10 PM To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 06:59:59PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: =20 > I wasn't sure we reached full agreement on the URI issue, but if we=20 > have I would propose I merge the two proposals into one and have=20 > resourceURI, resourceOID and resourceContext. Would that make sense? Having two ways to represent the same information is not helpful - resourceURI is a powerful approach since it is not tightly bound to SNMP and thus much more widely applicable. I think I know my preference... /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From sob@harvard.edu Tue May 19 07:38:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C453A6A24 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 07:38:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3qZFYJXkZ5nu for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 07:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF403A68AD for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 07:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id A5BCD172F83B; Tue, 19 May 2009 10:40:18 -0400 (EDT) To: opsawg@ietf.org Message-Id: <20090519144018.A5BCD172F83B@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:40:18 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Subject: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:38:43 -0000 the syslog/snmp IDs have been updated based on a previous WGLC this is a last check to see if the WG feels that these IDs are ready to be sent to the IESG to be published as proposed standards please send comments to the list by a week from today (i.e by May 26th) on the folloing IDs draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-snmp-03.txt and draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-msg-mib-03.txt tnx Scott From ietfdbh@comcast.net Tue May 19 09:44:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F023A6E0B for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:44:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.101, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qa4bxMsJNRL9 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB0D3A6D5D for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tQpc1b0040ldTLk5AUlqP3; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:45:50 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([24.147.240.21]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tUlq1b0050UQ6dC3QUlqEr; Tue, 19 May 2009 16:45:50 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: "'Sharon Chisholm'" , "'Juergen Schoenwaelder'" References: <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FCAB6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090513164234.GA7730@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8B5A@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090513221003.GB7825@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B419643BC0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:45:49 -0400 Message-ID: <00ef01c9d8a1$43e623e0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnUF6QOzfvThh5xTL+p+1u0NAbXhgEdgEmgAAPIkVA= In-Reply-To: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B419643BC0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:44:15 -0000 Hi, RFC4088 specifes the SNMP URI. It is a Proposed Standard. Here is the abstract: " The Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) and the Internet Standard Management Framework are widely used for the management of communication devices, creating a need to specify SNMP access (including access to SNMP MIB object instances) from non-SNMP management environments. For example, when out-of-band IP management is used via a separate management interface (e.g., for a device that does not support in-band IP access), a uniform way to indicate how to contact the device for management is needed. Uniform Resource Identifiers (URIs) fit this need well, as they allow a single text string to indicate a management access communication endpoint for a wide variety of IP-based protocols. This document defines a URI scheme so that SNMP can be designated as the protocol used for management. The scheme also allows a URI to designate one or more MIB object instances." What you are trying to do is "specify SNMP access (including access to SNMP MIB object instances) from non-SNMP management environments." I don't really see the need for a tie-breaker. I think it would be appropriate to use the IETF Proposed Standard URI already approved for this purpose. Despite your statement in this most recent email saying you do not have a strong opinion, this discussion has gone on this long only because you have had a strong opinion that resourceOID should be used, rather than just accepting the IETF standard approach of using a URI. Juergen said fix the resourceOID or remove it, and he prefers to use the URI. I said either fix the resourceOID or remove it. Randy Presuhn agreed with fix it or remove it. Wes apparently supports the URI approach since he sent a correction for your example. You are the only one arguing to keep the resourceOID. I think the consensus is clear that just using a URI and removing the resourceOID is fine. To make sure you understand my opinion - remove the resourceOID and resourceContext please. Do not restrict the URI to snmp only. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: Sharon Chisholm [mailto:schishol@nortel.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:28 AM > To: Juergen Schoenwaelder > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm > > Hi > > Ok. I think we need a tie breaker vote here. > > Juergen: Just resourceURI, where it can handle SNMP URIs and > other URIs > Dave H: SNMP Context + additional fields to support. > > I don't have a strong opinion, but if we do need as many > fields as Dave > indicates we do, perhaps we should stick to resourceURI, using SNMP > examples. I think the example demonstrates how to use it, even for > people who are not familiar with the SNMP URI, which I think would be > most people. > > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:10 PM > To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 06:59:59PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > > > I wasn't sure we reached full agreement on the URI issue, but if we > > have I would propose I merge the two proposals into one and have > > resourceURI, resourceOID and resourceContext. Would that make sense? > > Having two ways to represent the same information is not helpful - > resourceURI is a powerful approach since it is not tightly > bound to SNMP > and thus much more widely applicable. > > I think I know my preference... > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > From SCHISHOL@nortel.com Thu May 21 07:24:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B542D3A6F0E for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:24:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2-f2HHIXm+J3 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrtps0kp.nortel.com (zrtps0kp.nortel.com [47.140.192.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728B53A68C0 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zrtps0kp.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id n4LEQDI28084; Thu, 21 May 2009 14:26:14 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:25:48 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41970369E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <00ef01c9d8a1$43e623e0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Thread-Index: AcnUF6QOzfvThh5xTL+p+1u0NAbXhgEdgEmgAAPIkVAAYMAi8A== References: <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local> <08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FCAB6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090513164234.GA7730@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8B5A@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20090513221003.GB7825@elstar.local> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B419643BC0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <00ef01c9d8a1$43e623e0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "David Harrington" , "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:24:50 -0000 Hi In the beginning, my view was that OID was simple and URL was complicated. After the various bits of discussion, it seems the opposite is sort of true. I'll update the 'remove' version of the draft to not restrict to SNMP and post here it here for final review before posting as an ID. Thanks everyone, Sharon=20 -----Original Message----- From: David Harrington [mailto:ietfdbh@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:46 PM To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00); 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Hi, RFC4088 specifes the SNMP URI. It is a Proposed Standard. Here is the abstract: " The Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) and the Internet Standard Management Framework are widely used for the management of communication devices, creating a need to specify SNMP access (including access to SNMP MIB object instances) from non-SNMP management environments. For example, when out-of-band IP management is used via a separate management interface (e.g., for a device that does not support in-band IP access), a uniform way to indicate how to contact the device for management is needed. Uniform Resource Identifiers (URIs) fit this need well, as they allow a single text string to indicate a management access communication endpoint for a wide variety of IP-based protocols. This document defines a URI scheme so that SNMP can be designated as the protocol used for management. The scheme also allows a URI to designate one or more MIB object instances." What you are trying to do is "specify SNMP access (including access to SNMP MIB object instances) from non-SNMP management environments." I don't really see the need for a tie-breaker. I think it would be appropriate to use the IETF Proposed Standard URI already approved for this purpose.=20 Despite your statement in this most recent email saying you do not have a strong opinion, this discussion has gone on this long only because you have had a strong opinion that resourceOID should be used, rather than just accepting the IETF standard approach of using a URI. Juergen said fix the resourceOID or remove it, and he prefers to use the URI. I said either fix the resourceOID or remove it. Randy Presuhn agreed with fix it or remove it. Wes apparently supports the URI approach since he sent a correction for your example. You are the only one arguing to keep the resourceOID. I think the consensus is clear that just using a URI and removing the resourceOID is fine. To make sure you understand my opinion - remove the resourceOID and resourceContext please. Do not restrict the URI to snmp only. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: Sharon Chisholm [mailto:schishol@nortel.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:28 AM > To: Juergen Schoenwaelder > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm >=20 > Hi >=20 > Ok. I think we need a tie breaker vote here. >=20 > Juergen: Just resourceURI, where it can handle SNMP URIs and other=20 > URIs Dave H: SNMP Context + additional fields to support. >=20 > I don't have a strong opinion, but if we do need as many fields as=20 > Dave indicates we do, perhaps we should stick to resourceURI, using=20 > SNMP examples. I think the example demonstrates how to use it, even=20 > for people who are not familiar with the SNMP URI, which I think would be > most people. >=20 > Sharon >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:10 PM > To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm >=20 > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 06:59:59PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > =20 > > I wasn't sure we reached full agreement on the URI issue, but if we=20 > > have I would propose I merge the two proposals into one and have=20 > > resourceURI, resourceOID and resourceContext. Would that make sense? >=20 > Having two ways to represent the same information is not helpful -=20 > resourceURI is a powerful approach since it is not tightly bound to=20 > SNMP and thus much more widely applicable. >=20 > I think I know my preference... >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 From SCHISHOL@nortel.com Thu May 21 09:31:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5156B3A6D90 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 09:31:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.854 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.854 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.745, BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MGz1su24+gtD for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 09:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrtps0kp.nortel.com (zrtps0kp.nortel.com [47.140.192.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE9E3A69FC for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 09:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zrtps0kp.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id n4LGWQI18552; Thu, 21 May 2009 16:32:26 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C9DA31.B928CA53" Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:32:23 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41970393F@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41970369E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Thread-Index: AcnUF6QOzfvThh5xTL+p+1u0NAbXhgEdgEmgAAPIkVAAYMAi8AAEPNOw References: <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local><08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FCAB6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090513164234.GA7730@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8B5A@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090513221003.GB7825@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B419643BC0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><00ef01c9d8a1$43e623e0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41970369E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "David Harrington" , "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:31:19 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9DA31.B928CA53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi As promised. Note that I removed a sentence about being scoped to a network element from the resource URI section because it no longer seemed to make sense. Sharon=20 -----Original Message----- From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:26 AM To: David Harrington; Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Hi In the beginning, my view was that OID was simple and URL was complicated. After the various bits of discussion, it seems the opposite is sort of true. I'll update the 'remove' version of the draft to not restrict to SNMP and post here it here for final review before posting as an ID. Thanks everyone, Sharon=20 -----Original Message----- From: David Harrington [mailto:ietfdbh@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:46 PM To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00); 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Hi, RFC4088 specifes the SNMP URI. It is a Proposed Standard. Here is the abstract: " The Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) and the Internet Standard Management Framework are widely used for the management of communication devices, creating a need to specify SNMP access (including access to SNMP MIB object instances) from non-SNMP management environments. For example, when out-of-band IP management is used via a separate management interface (e.g., for a device that does not support in-band IP access), a uniform way to indicate how to contact the device for management is needed. Uniform Resource Identifiers (URIs) fit this need well, as they allow a single text string to indicate a management access communication endpoint for a wide variety of IP-based protocols. This document defines a URI scheme so that SNMP can be designated as the protocol used for management. The scheme also allows a URI to designate one or more MIB object instances." What you are trying to do is "specify SNMP access (including access to SNMP MIB object instances) from non-SNMP management environments." I don't really see the need for a tie-breaker. I think it would be appropriate to use the IETF Proposed Standard URI already approved for this purpose.=20 Despite your statement in this most recent email saying you do not have a strong opinion, this discussion has gone on this long only because you have had a strong opinion that resourceOID should be used, rather than just accepting the IETF standard approach of using a URI. Juergen said fix the resourceOID or remove it, and he prefers to use the URI. I said either fix the resourceOID or remove it. Randy Presuhn agreed with fix it or remove it. Wes apparently supports the URI approach since he sent a correction for your example. You are the only one arguing to keep the resourceOID. I think the consensus is clear that just using a URI and removing the resourceOID is fine. To make sure you understand my opinion - remove the resourceOID and resourceContext please. Do not restrict the URI to snmp only. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: Sharon Chisholm [mailto:schishol@nortel.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:28 AM > To: Juergen Schoenwaelder > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm >=20 > Hi >=20 > Ok. I think we need a tie breaker vote here. >=20 > Juergen: Just resourceURI, where it can handle SNMP URIs and other=20 > URIs Dave H: SNMP Context + additional fields to support. >=20 > I don't have a strong opinion, but if we do need as many fields as=20 > Dave indicates we do, perhaps we should stick to resourceURI, using=20 > SNMP examples. I think the example demonstrates how to use it, even=20 > for people who are not familiar with the SNMP URI, which I think would be > most people. >=20 > Sharon >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:10 PM > To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm >=20 > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 06:59:59PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > =20 > > I wasn't sure we reached full agreement on the URI issue, but if we=20 > > have I would propose I merge the two proposals into one and have=20 > > resourceURI, resourceOID and resourceContext. Would that make sense? >=20 > Having two ways to represent the same information is not helpful -=20 > resourceURI is a powerful approach since it is not tightly bound to=20 > SNMP and thus much more widely applicable. >=20 > I think I know my preference... >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 _______________________________________________ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9DA31.B928CA53 Content-Type: text/html; name="pre_02_rfcdiff.pyht.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: pre_02_rfcdiff.pyht.htm Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pre_02_rfcdiff.pyht.htm" CjxodG1sPjxoZWFkPjx0aXRsZT53ZGlmZiBkcmFmdC1pZXRmLW9wc2F3Zy1zeXNsb2ctYWxhcm0t MDEudHh0IGRyYWZ0LWdlcmhhcmRzLWNoaXNob2xtLXN5c2xvZy1hbGFybS1taWIudHh0PC90aXRs 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C9DA31.B928CA53-- From sob@harvard.edu Thu May 21 17:22:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56A63A6A13 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 17:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.329 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.329 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.089, BAYES_05=-1.11, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W1CKfNwgPHNp for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 17:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F7B3A6928 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 17:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 886B4175297B; Thu, 21 May 2009 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Bradner) Subject: [OPSAWG] opsawg topics for Stockholm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 00:22:37 -0000 please send opsawg agenda topics to the list tnx Scott From cfinss@dial.pipex.com Fri May 22 02:15:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181EB3A6DC4 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 02:15:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.071 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.071 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.528, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5rHWGi-62AXh for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 02:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299853A6831 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 02:15:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Trace: 250151823/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-customers/62.188.17.176/None/cfinss@dial.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.188.17.176 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: cfinss@dial.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqwEAAEKFko+vBGw/2dsb2JhbACDKItQsngJkD8CBoJOgTUF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,232,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="250151823" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 1cust176.tnt1.lnd3.gbr.da.uu.net (HELO allison) ([62.188.17.176]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 22 May 2009 10:15:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c9dab5$6d5fcb20$0601a8c0@allison> From: "tom.petch" To: "Sharon Chisholm" , "David Harrington" , "Juergen Schoenwaelder" References: <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local><08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FCAB6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090513164234.GA7730@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8B5A@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090513221003.GB7825@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B419643BC0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><00ef01c9d8a1$43e623e0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41970369E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:06:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "tom.petch" List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:15:16 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "David Harrington" ; "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:25 PM > In the beginning, my view was that OID was simple and URL was > complicated. After the various bits of discussion, it seems the opposite > is sort of true. > > I'll update the 'remove' version of the draft to not restrict to SNMP > and post here it here for final review before posting as an ID. Please don't. I like my I-Ds to be I-Ds and my e-mail to be e-mail. The characteristic information of the two is different and my preferred delivery route is therefore also different. I read your earlier post and thought I would offer an opinion to help achieve a rough consensus and then realised I did not know what you (collectively) were talking about. I downloaded the I-D - well, I didn't, it has expired - I went to Watersprings (my favorite website) and got the most recent - and still do not know what you are talking about. So please, a current I-D with the text you want comments on and I promise (or threaten?) I will comment on it (and all before Boxing Day:-). Currently my view in the abstract is that OID are very simple and URI are very nice but so what? Tom Petch > Thanks everyone, > > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Harrington [mailto:ietfdbh@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:46 PM > To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00); 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm > > Hi, > > RFC4088 specifes the SNMP URI. It is a Proposed Standard. > Here is the abstract: > " The Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) and the Internet > Standard Management Framework are widely used for the management of > communication devices, creating a need to specify SNMP access > (including access to SNMP MIB object instances) from non-SNMP > management environments. For example, when out-of-band IP management > is used via a separate management interface (e.g., for a device that > does not support in-band IP access), a uniform way to indicate how to > contact the device for management is needed. Uniform Resource > Identifiers (URIs) fit this need well, as they allow a single text > string to indicate a management access communication endpoint for a > wide variety of IP-based protocols. > > This document defines a URI scheme so that SNMP can be designated as > the protocol used for management. The scheme also allows a URI to > designate one or more MIB object instances." > > What you are trying to do is "specify SNMP access > (including access to SNMP MIB object instances) from non-SNMP > management environments." > > I don't really see the need for a tie-breaker. I think it would be > appropriate to use the IETF Proposed Standard URI already approved for > this purpose. > > Despite your statement in this most recent email saying you do not have > a strong opinion, this discussion has gone on this long only because you > have had a strong opinion that resourceOID should be used, rather than > just accepting the IETF standard approach of using a URI. > > Juergen said fix the resourceOID or remove it, and he prefers to use the > URI. I said either fix the resourceOID or remove it. Randy Presuhn > agreed with fix it or remove it. Wes apparently supports the URI > approach since he sent a correction for your example. You are the only > one arguing to keep the resourceOID. I think the consensus is clear that > just using a URI and removing the resourceOID is fine. > > To make sure you understand my opinion - remove the resourceOID and > resourceContext please. Do not restrict the URI to snmp only. > > dbh > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sharon Chisholm [mailto:schishol@nortel.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:28 AM > > To: Juergen Schoenwaelder > > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm > > > > Hi > > > > Ok. I think we need a tie breaker vote here. > > > > Juergen: Just resourceURI, where it can handle SNMP URIs and other > > URIs Dave H: SNMP Context + additional fields to support. > > > > I don't have a strong opinion, but if we do need as many fields as > > Dave indicates we do, perhaps we should stick to resourceURI, using > > SNMP examples. I think the example demonstrates how to use it, even > > for people who are not familiar with the SNMP URI, which I think would > be > > most people. > > > > Sharon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder > > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:10 PM > > To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) > > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 06:59:59PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > > > > > I wasn't sure we reached full agreement on the URI issue, but if > we > > > have I would propose I merge the two proposals into one and have > > > resourceURI, resourceOID and resourceContext. Would that make > sense? > > > > Having two ways to represent the same information is not helpful - > > resourceURI is a powerful approach since it is not tightly bound to > > SNMP and thus much more widely applicable. > > > > I think I know my preference... > > > > /js > > > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From cfinss@dial.pipex.com Fri May 22 02:15:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247403A6831 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 02:15:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.779 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.779 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.780, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GgFGuHUiitNY for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 02:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5383A6D46 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 02:15:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Trace: 250151848/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-customers/62.188.17.176/None/cfinss@dial.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.188.17.176 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: cfinss@dial.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqwEAAEKFko+vBGw/2dsb2JhbACDKItQw0AIhAMFiDc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,232,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="250151848" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 1cust176.tnt1.lnd3.gbr.da.uu.net (HELO allison) ([62.188.17.176]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 22 May 2009 10:15:59 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c9dab5$6e9712a0$0601a8c0@allison> From: "tom.petch" To: , "Scott O. Bradner" References: <20090519144018.A5BCD172F83B@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:03:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "tom.petch" List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:15:16 -0000 draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-msg-mib-03.txt My previous comments have been addressed. "is 1:0..*. " technically correct and easy to read for those with the right background but I would prefer it expanded eg to "ranges from one-to-zero to one-to-many" The syntax used for the example in the SyslogTimeStamp TEXTUAL CONVENTION is not the same as that in section 8; neither is as clear as it might be, how to pack 25 'characters' into 13 OCTET, but I have not thought of a better one (yet:-). This is one of those times when seeing the BER.1 might make it clearer. syslogMsgHostName /constraints/constrains/ syslogMsgSDID /constraints/constrains/ syslogMsgSDParamName /constraints/constrains/ Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott O. Bradner" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs > the syslog/snmp IDs have been updated based on a previous WGLC > > this is a last check to see if the WG feels that these IDs are ready > to be sent to the IESG to be published as proposed standards > > please send comments to the list by a week from today (i.e by > May 26th) on the folloing IDs > > draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-snmp-03.txt > and > draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-msg-mib-03.txt > > tnx > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Fri May 22 14:56:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8129E3A6AED for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 14:56:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.794 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.794 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.145, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MOhdTFryCz4e for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 14:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7043A6F95 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 14:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BBFC0046; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:57:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6eS56xlyjU51; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E9AC0027; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4EE1AB1EAEF; Fri, 22 May 2009 23:57:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:57:41 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "tom.petch" Message-ID: <20090522215741.GA833@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "tom.petch" , "opsawg@ietf.org" , "Scott O. Bradner" References: <20090519144018.A5BCD172F83B@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> <001101c9dab5$6e9712a0$0601a8c0@allison> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001101c9dab5$6e9712a0$0601a8c0@allison> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:56:24 -0000 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:03:18AM +0200, tom.petch wrote: > "is 1:0..*. " > technically correct and easy to read for those with the right > background but I would prefer it expanded eg to "ranges from > one-to-zero to one-to-many" I am fine with spelling this out if that helps readability. > The syntax used for the example in the SyslogTimeStamp TEXTUAL > CONVENTION is not the same as that in section 8; neither is as clear > as it might be, how to pack 25 'characters' into 13 OCTET, but I > have not thought of a better one (yet:-). This is one of those > times when seeing the BER.1 might make it clearer. BER is the encoding of common SNMP transports; only few implementatioms store the MIB in BER format... > syslogMsgHostName > /constraints/constrains/ > > syslogMsgSDID > /constraints/constrains/ > > syslogMsgSDParamName > /constraints/constrains/ Thanks. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From SCHISHOL@nortel.com Mon May 25 04:42:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4739B3A6F19 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:42:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.246 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.246 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.247, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OyIs5D29q9-j for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com (zcars04e.nortel.com [47.129.242.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4096328C19A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id n4PBgSi11168; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:42:28 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:43:33 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B419751AE4@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <001001c9dab5$6d5fcb20$0601a8c0@allison> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm Thread-Index: AcnavfC5xmwxa6nTR4+I4Y7d9H7JfQCb8y3g References: <02f701c9b931$88c41e20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0450@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194B0969@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090507190433.GB25636@elstar.local><08b801c9cf4e$7af95890$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FC429@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4194FCAB6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8A8E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090513164234.GA7730@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4195A8B5A@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><20090513221003.GB7825@elstar.local><713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B419643BC0@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com><00ef01c9d8a1$43e623e0$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41970369E@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <001001c9dab5$6d5fcb20$0601a8c0@allison> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "tom.petch" , "David Harrington" , "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:42:10 -0000 Hi I find the pre-drafts a better way to get review of edits compared to posting editing instructions like I used to do. You are free of course to wait for the actual draft. If I don't hear any further comments on this version, I'll post the update later today or early tomorrow. Thanks, Sharon=20 -----Original Message----- From: tom.petch [mailto:cfinss@dial.pipex.com]=20 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:06 AM To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00); David Harrington; Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "David Harrington" ; "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:25 PM > In the beginning, my view was that OID was simple and URL was=20 > complicated. After the various bits of discussion, it seems the=20 > opposite is sort of true. > > I'll update the 'remove' version of the draft to not restrict to SNMP=20 > and post here it here for final review before posting as an ID. Please don't. I like my I-Ds to be I-Ds and my e-mail to be e-mail. The characteristic information of the two is different and my preferred delivery route is therefore also different. I read your earlier post and thought I would offer an opinion to help achieve a rough consensus and then realised I did not know what you (collectively) were talking about. I downloaded the I-D - well, I didn't, it has expired - I went to Watersprings (my favorite website) and got the most recent - and still do not know what you are talking about. So please, a current I-D with the text you want comments on and I promise (or threaten?) I will comment on it (and all before Boxing Day:-). Currently my view in the abstract is that OID are very simple and URI are very nice but so what? Tom Petch > Thanks everyone, > > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Harrington [mailto:ietfdbh@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:46 PM > To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00); 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm > > Hi, > > RFC4088 specifes the SNMP URI. It is a Proposed Standard. > Here is the abstract: > " The Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) and the Internet > Standard Management Framework are widely used for the management of > communication devices, creating a need to specify SNMP access > (including access to SNMP MIB object instances) from non-SNMP > management environments. For example, when out-of-band IP management > is used via a separate management interface (e.g., for a device that > does not support in-band IP access), a uniform way to indicate how to > contact the device for management is needed. Uniform Resource > Identifiers (URIs) fit this need well, as they allow a single text > string to indicate a management access communication endpoint for a > wide variety of IP-based protocols. > > This document defines a URI scheme so that SNMP can be designated as > the protocol used for management. The scheme also allows a URI to > designate one or more MIB object instances." > > What you are trying to do is "specify SNMP access > (including access to SNMP MIB object instances) from non-SNMP > management environments." > > I don't really see the need for a tie-breaker. I think it would be=20 > appropriate to use the IETF Proposed Standard URI already approved for > this purpose. > > Despite your statement in this most recent email saying you do not=20 > have a strong opinion, this discussion has gone on this long only=20 > because you have had a strong opinion that resourceOID should be used, > rather than just accepting the IETF standard approach of using a URI. > > Juergen said fix the resourceOID or remove it, and he prefers to use=20 > the URI. I said either fix the resourceOID or remove it. Randy Presuhn > agreed with fix it or remove it. Wes apparently supports the URI=20 > approach since he sent a correction for your example. You are the only > one arguing to keep the resourceOID. I think the consensus is clear=20 > that just using a URI and removing the resourceOID is fine. > > To make sure you understand my opinion - remove the resourceOID and=20 > resourceContext please. Do not restrict the URI to snmp only. > > dbh > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sharon Chisholm [mailto:schishol@nortel.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:28 AM > > To: Juergen Schoenwaelder > > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm > > > > Hi > > > > Ok. I think we need a tie breaker vote here. > > > > Juergen: Just resourceURI, where it can handle SNMP URIs and other=20 > > URIs Dave H: SNMP Context + additional fields to support. > > > > I don't have a strong opinion, but if we do need as many fields as=20 > > Dave indicates we do, perhaps we should stick to resourceURI, using=20 > > SNMP examples. I think the example demonstrates how to use it, even=20 > > for people who are not familiar with the SNMP URI, which I think=20 > > would > be > > most people. > > > > Sharon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder > > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:10 PM > > To: Chisholm, Sharon (CAR:ZZ00) > > Cc: David Harrington; opsawg@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Proposed update to syslog Alarm > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 06:59:59PM +0200, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > > > > > I wasn't sure we reached full agreement on the URI issue, but if > we > > > have I would propose I merge the two proposals into one and have=20 > > > resourceURI, resourceOID and resourceContext. Would that make > sense? > > > > Having two ways to represent the same information is not helpful -=20 > > resourceURI is a powerful approach since it is not tightly bound to=20 > > SNMP and thus much more widely applicable. > > > > I think I know my preference... > > > > /js > > > > -- > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From cfinss@dial.pipex.com Tue May 26 03:53:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B5228C1F5 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:53:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.828 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.828 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.688, BAYES_20=-0.74, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i9KpDrbn1HXu for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A9328C1ED for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:53:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Trace: 106801664/mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-customers/62.188.100.179/None/cfinss@dial.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.188.100.179 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: cfinss@dial.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkIFANtnG0o+vGSz/2dsb2JhbACDKE6LC68rCY5yAgaCToE1BQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,251,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="106801664" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 1cust179.tnt1.lnd9.gbr.da.uu.net (HELO allison) ([62.188.100.179]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 26 May 2009 11:54:54 +0100 Message-ID: <007b01c9dde7$e6848c40$0601a8c0@allison> From: "tom.petch" To: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" References: <20090519144018.A5BCD172F83B@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> <001101c9dab5$6e9712a0$0601a8c0@allison> <20090522215741.GA833@elstar.local> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:29:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "tom.petch" List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:53:15 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" To: "tom.petch" Cc: ; "Scott O. Bradner" Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:03:18AM +0200, tom.petch wrote: > > > The syntax used for the example in the SyslogTimeStamp TEXTUAL > > CONVENTION is not the same as that in section 8; neither is as clear > > as it might be, how to pack 25 'characters' into 13 OCTET, but I > > have not thought of a better one (yet:-). This is one of those > > times when seeing the BER.1 might make it clearer. > > BER is the encoding of common SNMP transports; only few > implementatioms store the MIB in BER format... True, but I would still like section 8 brought in line with the SyslogTimeStamp TEXTUAL CONVENTION. Tom Petch > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Tue May 26 04:09:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1ED428C1F7 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:09:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.787 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.787 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.138, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e8mFRZlVLU7N for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1823A7078 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F06EC01C2; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:11:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B6bO1MOpxo-d; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:11:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA773C00FA; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:11:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id BCC16B21DC5; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:11:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:11:23 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "tom.petch" Message-ID: <20090526111123.GA5029@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "tom.petch" , "opsawg@ietf.org" , "Scott O. Bradner" References: <20090519144018.A5BCD172F83B@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> <001101c9dab5$6e9712a0$0601a8c0@allison> <20090522215741.GA833@elstar.local> <007b01c9dde7$e6848c40$0601a8c0@allison> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <007b01c9dde7$e6848c40$0601a8c0@allison> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:09:46 -0000 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:29:27AM +0200, tom.petch wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > To: "tom.petch" > Cc: ; "Scott O. Bradner" > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:57 PM > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:03:18AM +0200, tom.petch wrote: > > > > > > The syntax used for the example in the SyslogTimeStamp TEXTUAL > > > CONVENTION is not the same as that in section 8; neither is as clear > > > as it might be, how to pack 25 'characters' into 13 OCTET, but I > > > have not thought of a better one (yet:-). This is one of those > > > times when seeing the BER.1 might make it clearer. > > > > BER is the encoding of common SNMP transports; only few > > implementatioms store the MIB in BER format... > > True, but I would still like section 8 brought in line with the > SyslogTimeStamp TEXTUAL CONVENTION. Sorry, I did not see what the problem was. I assume you mean: OLD syslogMsgTimeStamp.1 = 2003-10-11 22:14:15.003+00:00 NEW syslogMsgTimeStamp.1 = 2003-10-11,22:14:15.003,+0:0 Is that what you are looking for? If not, can you simply post what you think should be there? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From cfinss@dial.pipex.com Tue May 26 11:37:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34323A6B69 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:37:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.704 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.704 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.251, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C7dcyG5S2X-x for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8216C3A6801 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:37:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Trace: 217148067/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-customers/62.188.19.150/None/cfinss@dial.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.188.19.150 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: cfinss@dial.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As4FAKvTG0o+vBOW/2dsb2JhbABEgmQ6FIsLr3cJjywCBoJOgTUF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,253,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="217148067" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 1cust150.tnt2.lnd3.gbr.da.uu.net (HELO allison) ([62.188.19.150]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 26 May 2009 19:38:25 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c9de28$a7dff420$0601a8c0@allison> From: "tom.petch" To: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" References: <20090519144018.A5BCD172F83B@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> <001101c9dab5$6e9712a0$0601a8c0@allison> <20090522215741.GA833@elstar.local> <007b01c9dde7$e6848c40$0601a8c0@allison> <20090526111123.GA5029@elstar.local> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:07:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "tom.petch" List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:37:22 -0000 ---- Original Message ----- From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" To: "tom.petch" Cc: ; "Scott O. Bradner" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:29:27AM +0200, tom.petch wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > > To: "tom.petch" > > Cc: ; "Scott O. Bradner" > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs > > > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:03:18AM +0200, tom.petch wrote: > > > > > > > > > The syntax used for the example in the SyslogTimeStamp TEXTUAL > > > > CONVENTION is not the same as that in section 8; neither is as clear > > > > as it might be, how to pack 25 'characters' into 13 OCTET, but I > > > > have not thought of a better one (yet:-). This is one of those > > > > times when seeing the BER.1 might make it clearer. > > > > > > BER is the encoding of common SNMP transports; only few > > > implementatioms store the MIB in BER format... > > > > True, but I would still like section 8 brought in line with the > > SyslogTimeStamp TEXTUAL CONVENTION. > > Sorry, I did not see what the problem was. I assume you mean: > > OLD > syslogMsgTimeStamp.1 = 2003-10-11 22:14:15.003+00:00 > > NEW > syslogMsgTimeStamp.1 = 2003-10-11,22:14:15.003,+0:0 > > Is that what you are looking for? If not, can you simply post what you > think should be there? Yes, that was what I had in mind. I was also wondering if there was a better representation for it, but suspect that that is as good as we will get. Good enough for RFC2579 so good enough for here. Tom Petch > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From root@core3.amsl.com Tue May 26 15:45:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietf.org Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id B1C173A6E9C; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090526224501.B1C173A6E9C@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-alarm-02.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:45:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : Alarms in SYSLOG Author(s) : S. Chisholm, R. Gerhards Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-alarm-02.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2009-05-26 This document describes how to send alarm information in syslog. It includes the mapping of ITU perceived severities onto syslog message fields and a number of alarm-specific SD-PARAM definitions from X.733 and the IETF Alarm MIB. 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Bradner" Message-ID: <20090528202814.GA10904@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Scott O. Bradner" , "opsawg@ietf.org" References: <20090519144018.A5BCD172F83B@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090519144018.A5BCD172F83B@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] last-wg-last-call on syslog/snmp docs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:26:56 -0000 On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 04:40:18PM +0200, Scott O. Bradner wrote: > > the syslog/snmp IDs have been updated based on a previous WGLC > > this is a last check to see if the WG feels that these IDs are ready > to be sent to the IESG to be published as proposed standards > > please send comments to the list by a week from today (i.e by > May 26th) on the folloing IDs > > draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-snmp-03.txt > and > draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-msg-mib-03.txt There were only a few editorial comments and I have made the changes in my sources. I don't think posting a new ID is really necessary; perhaps this can wait until we have gone through IETF last call. Do you agree, Scott? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From root@core3.amsl.com Thu May 28 21:30:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietf.org Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 538CB3A6947; Thu, 28 May 2009 21:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090529043001.538CB3A6947@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-opsawg-syslog-msg-mib-04.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 04:30:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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