From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon Mar 7 11:00:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B7C3A67F4; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:00:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.567 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.567 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xNRU1htH6Z8L; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDC93A67EA; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:00:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110307190001.5623.83037.idtracker@localhost> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:00:01 -0800 Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:00:02 -0000 --NextPart A new Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : An Overview of the IETF Network Management Standards Author(s) : M. Ersue Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00.txt Pages : 66 Date : 2011-03-07 This document gives an overview of the IETF network management standards and summarizes existing and ongoing development of IETF standards-track network management protocols and data models. The purpose of this document is on the one hand to help system developers and users to select appropriate standard management protocols and data models to address relevant management needs. On the other hand the document can be used as an overview and guideline by other Standard Development Organizations or bodies planning to use IETF management technologies and data models. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-07104733.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From dromasca@avaya.com Thu Mar 10 10:07:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518243A6949; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:07:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.544 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.544 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.055, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id voroRarBr+9e; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3F33A6930; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:07:52 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlgHAFMtcU2HCzI1/2dsb2JhbACYaY18dKR5ApkWhWEEkAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,297,1297054800"; d="scan'208";a="236141679" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2011 13:09:09 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,297,1297054800"; d="scan'208";a="614811853" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2011 13:09:08 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:09:02 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OPSAREA open meeting - proposal for Prague Thread-Index: AcvfTjx2Sj7WWesaR1OHjAT8/OO4HA== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] OPSAREA open meeting - proposal for Prague X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:07:54 -0000 Hi, Until now we have received only one request for the agenda for the OPSAREA open meeting in Prague scheduled now in the Monday Afternoon slot I between 13:00 and 15:00. On the other hand OPSAWG who asked for 1.5 hours received a 2.5 hours slot on Monday morning (9:00 to 11:30). We suggest to use the same morning slot for the two meetings, with the last hour (10:30 to 11:30) dedicated to the OPSAREA open meeting. We still have time for other agenda items, so please keep these coming.=20 Regards, Ron and Dan From ning.so@verizonbusiness.com Thu Mar 10 11:13:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474DA3A686C for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:13:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xlzuZxOE-uTG for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ashesmtp03.verizonbusiness.com (ashesmtp03.verizonbusiness.com [198.4.8.167]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CD83A6826 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pdcismtp02.vzbi.com ([unknown] [166.40.77.70]) by firewall.verizonbusiness.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LHU004DYW51IS90@firewall.verizonbusiness.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:15:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pdcismtp02.vzbi.com ([unknown] [127.0.0.1]) by pdcismtp02.vzbi.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LHU00E07W50T000@pdcismtp02.vzbi.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:15:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ASHSRV140.mcilink.com ([unknown] [153.39.68.166]) by pdcismtp02.vzbi.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LHU00E4IW50SN00@pdcismtp02.vzbi.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:15:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ASHEVS008.mcilink.com ([153.39.69.129]) by ASHSRV140.mcilink.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:15:00 +0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBDF57.73648432" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:14:58 +0000 Message-id: <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006D3AD74@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-topic: presentation slot request at IETF80 Thread-index: AcvfV3K1T3VEnxSzToaS6aue7Zxr3Q== From: "So, Ning" To: opsawg@ietf.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2011 19:15:00.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[73DE5310:01CBDF57] Subject: [OPSAWG] presentation slot request at IETF80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:13:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBDF57.73648432 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott and Chris, =20 Here is the presentation slot request at IETF 80. =20 Draft Name: Requirements and Framework of VPN-oriented Cloud Services (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-so-vpn-o-cs/) =20 Author/Presenter: Ning So =20 Amount of time requested: 10 min =20 Abstract: This contribution addresses the service providers' requirements to support VPN-Oriented Cloud services. It describes the characteristics of VPN-oriented Cloud Service and specifies the requirement on how to maintain and manage the data center resources for those services. =20 =20 =20 Best regards, =20 Ning So Network Evolution Planning Verizon, Inc. (office) 972-729-7905 (Cell) 972-955-0914 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBDF57.73648432 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Scott and Chris,

 

Here is the presentation slot request at IETF = 80.

 

Draft Name:  Requirements and Framework of = VPN-oriented Cloud Services = (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-so-vpn-o-cs/)

 

Author/Presenter:  Ning = So

 

Amount of time requested:  10 = min

 

Abstract:  This contribution addresses the = service providers' requirements to support VPN-Oriented Cloud services. It = describes the characteristics of VPN-oriented Cloud Service and specifies the = requirement on how to maintain and manage the data center resources for those = services.

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Ning So

Network Evolution = Planning

Verizon, Inc.

(office) 972-729-7905

(Cell) 972-955-0914

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CBDF57.73648432-- From guyingjie@huawei.com Thu Mar 10 22:55:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF003A687C for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:55:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.261 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.261 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.766, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R8FECelQAvF2 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AD23A6805 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (szxga05-in [172.24.2.49]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LHV00JZNSHCSL@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:53:36 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxeml202-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LHV00FZVSHBAL@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:53:36 +0800 (CST) Received: from SZXEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.31) by szxeml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:51:45 +0800 Received: from g00107907 (10.138.41.53) by SZXEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:53:35 +0800 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:56:18 +0800 From: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" X-Originating-IP: [10.138.41.53] To: opsawg@ietf.org Message-id: <007a01cbdfb9$6c4758b0$35298a0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcvfuWvneS99TTHMT/iv5pte4Qk12g== Subject: [OPSAWG] Hope to hear your opinions on DC management problem statement X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 06:55:38 -0000 Hi all, I have submitted an OPSAWG related draft. You can find the draft at http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gu-dc-management-problem-statement/ I have applied for 30mins time slot to present the PS at IETF 80. Hope to hear your opinions before and during the meeting :) A new version of I-D, draft-gu-dc-management-problem-statement-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Gu Yingjie and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-gu-dc-management-problem-statement Revision: 00 Title: Policies and dynamic data migration in DC Creation_date: 2011-03-07 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 11 Abstract: Virtualization provides Data Center with feasibility and improves the utilization of limited physical resource, e.g. switches/routers, servers and links. Virtual machines (VM) are allowed to migrate to any place in the Data Center. A variety of policies (e.g. ACL, firewalls, load balancers, IPS and QoS) are deployed in Data Center to guarantee the SLA the provider signed with their clients. Dynamic information, such as TCP Connection Table, dynamic ACLs and cumulated data, is generated on network devices. In order to keep running services uninterrupted while VM migrating, relevant policies and dynamic information, also need to migrate with VM. This document describes some examples of the policies and dynamic information that need to migrate with VM, the influence if they are not migrated with VM, the problems that need to consider when migrate polices and dynamic information. It also describes some existing network management protocols standardized by IETF and the advantages and disadvantages of them for operating policies and dynamic information migration respectively. The goal is to justify that it is necessary for IETF to make effort on policy and dynamic information migration for large virtualized Data Center. From ietfc@btconnect.com Fri Mar 11 08:42:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88893A6B36 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:42:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.953 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.953 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.646, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ec5vJsDyFEp for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.btconnect.com (c2bthomr09.btconnect.com [213.123.20.127]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E543A6B2B for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:42:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from host217-44-145-106.range217-44.btcentralplus.com (HELO pc6) ([217.44.145.106]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with SMTP id CCG96566; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:41:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <00b701cbe002$2bab63c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> From: "t.petch" Cc: References: <20110307190001.5623.83037.idtracker@localhost> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:30:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0301.4D7A50C7.01AE, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0202.4D7A513B.0199,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2010-07-22 22:03:31, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:42:23 -0000 I think that [RFC3584] Frye, R., Levi, D., Routhier, S., and B. Wijnen, "Coexistence between Version 1, Version 2, and Version 3 of the Internet-standard Network Management Framework", BCP 74, RFC 3584, August 2003. duplicates [BCP74] Frye, R., "Coexistence between Version 1, Version 2, and Version 3 of the Internet-standard Network Management Framework", August 2003. :-( A minor point but I think it illustrates the problem of trying to make such a wide-ranging, but not all encompassing (MPLS OAM anyone?),I-D coherent. I think Juergen doubted there were the resources to produce something like this, and I have my reservations too. For myself, I think that it needs an introduction to the different parts before going into the gritty detail, to point people at the parts they want to study in more detail - which would make it even larger:-( What next? Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:00 PM Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00.txt > A new Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : An Overview of the IETF Network Management Standards > Author(s) : M. Ersue > Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00.txt > Pages : 66 > Date : 2011-03-07 > > This document gives an overview of the IETF network management > standards and summarizes existing and ongoing development of IETF > standards-track network management protocols and data models. The > purpose of this document is on the one hand to help system developers > and users to select appropriate standard management protocols and > data models to address relevant management needs. On the other hand > the document can be used as an overview and guideline by other > Standard Development Organizations or bodies planning to use IETF > management technologies and data models. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Wed Mar 16 04:24:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF383A696E for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:24:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.18 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.18 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jxYNxywlkIj2 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060323A695F for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C37C002B; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:25:40 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cz9zQDGYx4xP; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:25:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB28C001E; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:25:39 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 81AC016FC52F; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:25:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:25:38 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Message-ID: <20110316112536.GA882@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] requesting agenda time for draft-ietf-opsawg-automated-network-configuration X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:24:16 -0000 Hi, I like to request some agenda time (say 10 minutes) for . There is one open question, namely whether we have to include a discussion of the usage of VPNs in bootstrapping scenarios and it might be good to get feedback on this from the room whether someone does this and can provide help with writing/reviewing any needed text. Otherwise, the document seems to be rather complete and we need to push for more reviews. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Wed Mar 16 04:25:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309B03A695F for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:25:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3kd4DNPUG6mk for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F9D3A6969 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A841C002B; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:27:17 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RsqGh8dsCe6I; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:27:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE22C001E; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:27:16 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id A30CE16FC56D; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:27:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:27:16 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Message-ID: <20110316112716.GB882@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] status of draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats-00 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:25:52 -0000 Hi, this document seems fairly simple and complete. Should we not get this document into WG last call mode? If any issues come up, we can resolve them in Prague and get this done. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Mar 16 05:25:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CDD3A67E1 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:25:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.543 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.543 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PzlBmejuCqLk for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound-tmp.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound-tmp.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0847C3A68EA for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:25:44 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiIBAPxIgE2HCzI1/2dsb2JhbACYUY03d6cRApohAoMTgk0EkEU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,193,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="63726340" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound-tmp.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 16 Mar 2011 08:27:10 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,193,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="622343398" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 16 Mar 2011 08:27:09 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:26:51 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20110316112716.GB882@elstar.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] status of draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats-00 Thread-Index: AcvjzR3o6cCQ6mbVSCaC+hoQDgDE6AACDpCA References: <20110316112716.GB882@elstar.local> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" , Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] status of draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats-00 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:25:47 -0000 Hi,=20 +1 Thanks and Regards, Dan=20 (speaking as contributor) =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 1:27 PM > To: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: [OPSAWG] status of draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats-00 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > this document seems fairly simple and complete. Should we not=20 > get this document into WG last call mode? If any issues come=20 > up, we can resolve them in Prague and get this done. >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >=20 From rstory@tislabs.com Wed Mar 16 06:46:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B063A6992 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:46:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U4rY3nUq3b91 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walnut.tislabs.com (walnut.tislabs.com [192.94.214.200]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B789B3A698F for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.tislabs.com (unknown [10.66.1.77]) by walnut.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFCA28B32C7; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ispx.vb.futz.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nova.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144B91F8051; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:47:24 -0400 From: Robert Story To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Message-ID: <20110316094724.7d14a2c1@ispx.vb.futz.org> In-Reply-To: <20110316112716.GB882@elstar.local> References: <20110316112716.GB882@elstar.local> Organization: SPARTA X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/I0TB3Uua_tuK/FtsE=4GRHc"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: opsawg@ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] status of draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats-00 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:46:33 -0000 --Sig_/I0TB3Uua_tuK/FtsE=4GRHc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:27:16 +0100 Juergen wrote: JS> this document seems fairly simple and complete. Should we not get this JS> document into WG last call mode? If any issues come up, we can resolve JS> them in Prague and get this done. +1 Robert -- Senior Software Engineer SPARTA (dba Cobham Analytic Soloutions) --Sig_/I0TB3Uua_tuK/FtsE=4GRHc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk2Av28ACgkQ7/fVLLY1mnj3CgCbBWm9UBxgsLsvdBIORep1ypx9 5EYAn0fSAFfmPe9AXsI63kctnCU1heYf =2sol -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/I0TB3Uua_tuK/FtsE=4GRHc-- From tena@huawei.com Wed Mar 16 10:47:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D2B3A69EF for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:47:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.338 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.338 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.261, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id orN8milw13PZ for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga04-in.huawei.com (usaga04-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.180]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3273B3A6A22 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga04-in [172.18.4.101]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LI5001C1W680V@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:49:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from TingZousc1 ([10.193.34.192]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0LI500FP1W66FB@usaga04-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:49:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:49:19 -0700 From: Tina Tsou In-reply-to: To: "'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'" , 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' , opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Message-id: <00e401cbe402$7aa9d890$6ffd89b0$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-us Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcvjzR3o6cCQ6mbVSCaC+hoQDgDE6AACDpCAAAtGHBA= References: <20110316112716.GB882@elstar.local> Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] status of draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats-00 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:47:55 -0000 +1 We keep our promises with one another - no matter what! Best Regards, Tina TSOU http://tinatsou.weebly.com/contact.html -----Original Message----- From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 5:27 AM To: Juergen Schoenwaelder; opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] status of draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats-00 Hi, +1 Thanks and Regards, Dan (speaking as contributor) > -----Original Message----- > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 1:27 PM > To: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: [OPSAWG] status of draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats-00 > > Hi, > > this document seems fairly simple and complete. Should we not > get this document into WG last call mode? If any issues come > up, we can resolve them in Prague and get this done. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > _______________________________________________ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Wed Mar 16 16:06:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1EEF3A6A9B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:06:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.365 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.365 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.233, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mrmOSIEIcdUg for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (ratatosk.asgaard.org [204.29.150.73]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B973A6A7A for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11054A5F2C2; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:07:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1080--112898005" Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:07:28 +1100 Message-Id: <9A78FFF1-15CB-43C6-AF57-312DEDBBA6B0@cdl.asgaard.org> To: opsawg@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: [OPSAWG] Working Group meeting format going forward X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:06:10 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1080--112898005 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1079--112898073 --Apple-Mail-1079--112898073 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greetings, Scott and I would like to try and get away from the current IETF = power-point disease and return the meetings to a more interactive model. = As such, we are proposing (actually driving for this next meeting) some = changes. We'd like the wg input as to if this (or some other model) = should be the approach going forward: 1) Assume that everyone in the room has read the draft. This means no = re-reading of the draft or extended summary. A few contextual points = are acceptable. 2) You are allowed two slides - use them judiciously - phrase the = question you want discussed, or have a network diagram that illustrates = a point. If more diagrams are necessary (not text), some latitude will = be allowed. 3) What do you want the working group to do - why are you taking a slot = of time? That should be the focus of your time allotted. Ask the = question, pose the conundrum, and then open for discussion. = Presentations that are short on presentation, and long on two-way = discussion in the room are preferential to a full 10 minutes of = unidirectional broadcast. Comments and suggestions are welcome Chris --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-1079--112898073 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Scott and I would like to try and = get away from the current IETF power-point disease and return the = meetings to a more interactive model.  As such, we are proposing = (actually driving for this next meeting) some changes.  We'd like = the wg input as to if this (or some other model) should be the approach = going forward:

1) Assume that = everyone in the room has read the draft.  This means no re-reading = of the draft or extended summary.  A few contextual points are = acceptable.
2) You are allowed two slides - use them = judiciously - phrase the question you want discussed, or have a network = diagram that illustrates a point.  If more diagrams are necessary = (not text), some latitude will be allowed.
3) What do you = want the working group to do - why are you taking a slot of time? =  That should be the focus of your time allotted.  Ask the = question, pose the conundrum, and then open for discussion. =  Presentations that are short on presentation, and long on two-way = discussion in the room are preferential to a full 10 minutes of = unidirectional broadcast.
Comments and suggestions are = welcome

= Chris

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PLS cc: the time slot request to opsawg@ietf.org as well. Best. Bhumip On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Monique Morrow (mmorrow) wrote: > > Dear Bhumip > > I will be presenting on behalf of our team[ Cisco-Telstra] > > Best regards > > Monique > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com ] > Sent: Wed 3/16/2011 6:03 AM > To: Masum Hasan (masum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); Iyer, Sundar K > Subject: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG > mtg during IETF-80 > > Masum, Sundar, and Monique, > > I hope all of you will be coming to Prague (IETF-80). > > As you know we have requested for time slots for presenting DCOPS-focused > drafts during OPSAWG. > > I am requesting you to send an email to Scott and Chris with CC: to Ron a= nd > me expressing your interest to present these drafts during OPSAWG mtg > during > IETF-80. *PLS include the text below showing draft name, abstract, URL, > time, presenter) in your email. > * > Scott Bradner , > Chris Liljenstolpe , > Ronald Bonica > > They can consider to allocate 10 min or so for each of these drafts. We > have > already requested for time for eight drafts including your ones and they > would be very happy to see the request from you (authors) as well. > We'll discuss this further during our call on Friday-18-March-2011 (10 AM > ET). > > Thank you very much. > Best. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------- > Draft Name: Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud ( > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc= -seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt > ) > > Author/presenter: Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud abstracti= on > called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless extensio= n > of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We als= o > introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for on-demand > manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud. > > > > Draft Name: Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds ( > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%= 20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt > ) > > Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, OS, > compute, > storage and policy (workloads) within and between service provider, > enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is driven by > consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace savings. > Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that exploit more > favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of workloads > closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, the > reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at fewer > sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the > solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the need to > preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, or > otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework for > considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, rationale > for > migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating these > workloads that consider these factors. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------- > Best Regards. > > Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com) > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhumipkhasnabish > > --=20 Best Regards. Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com) http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhumipkhasnabish =A9 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save the conte= nt of this email if you are not the intended recipient of the communiqu=E9. --000e0cd2901ab8716a049ebaee30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Monique.
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PLS cc: the time slot request to=A0= opsawg@ietf.org=A0as well.
Best.
Bhumip
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=A0
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On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Monique Morrow = (mmorrow) <mmorro= w@cisco.com> wrote:

Dear Bhumip

I will be presenting on behalf of ou= r team[ Cisco-Telstra]

Best regards

M= onique=20





-----Original Message-----
From: Bhumi= p Khasnabish [mailto:= vumip1@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 3/16/2011 6:03 AM
To: Masum Hasan (ma= sum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); Iyer, Sundar K
Subject: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mt= g during IETF-80

Masum, Sundar, and Monique,

I hope all of yo= u will be coming to Prague (IETF-80).

As you know we have requested = for time slots for presenting DCOPS-focused
drafts during OPSAWG.

I am requesting you to send an email to Scott = and Chris with CC: to Ron and
me expressing your interest to present the= se drafts during OPSAWG mtg during
IETF-80. *PLS include the text below = showing draft name, abstract, URL,
time, presenter) in your email.
*
Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu>,
Chris Lilje= nstolpe <ietf@= cdl.asgaard.org>,
Ronald Bonica <= rbonica@juniper.net>

They can consider to allocate 10 min or = so for each of these drafts. We have
already requested for time for eigh= t drafts including your ones and they
would be very happy to see the request from you (authors) as well.
We= 9;ll discuss this further during our call on Friday-18-March-2011 (10 AMET).

Thank you very much.
Best.


---------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------
Draft Name:=A0 Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud (
<= a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/d= raft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt" target=3D"_blank">http://trac.tools.i= etf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum= -01.txt)

Author/presenter: Masum Hasan
Amount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud abstracti= on
called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless exte= nsion
of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We also<= br>introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for on-demand=
manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud.



=A0Draft Name:=A0 Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in = Clouds (
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attach= ment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in= %20Clouds.txt)

Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan
Amount of time requested: = 10 minutes
Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of applicatio= n, OS, compute,
storage and policy (workloads) within and between servic= e provider,
enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is driven by
= consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace savings.Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that exploit more=
favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of workloadscloser to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, the
r= eduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at fewer
sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the
s= olution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the need topreserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, or
otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework for
con= sidering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, rationale formigration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating these
workloads that consider these factors.


=A0----------------------= ----------------------------------------------------------------
Best Re= gards.

Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com)
h= ttp://www.linkedin.com/in/bhumipkhasnabish




--
Best Regards.

Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com)
= h= ttp://www.linkedin.com/in/bhumipkhasnabish

=A9 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save = the content of this email if you are not the intended recipient of the comm= uniqu=E9.

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-0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708AC174AEE6; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:18:56 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r9x2JgPGnFaN; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:18:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp (ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp [172.19.90.145]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A714174AECA; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:18:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [10.8.0.6]) by ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C5D1B9B0; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:18:36 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4D8369B3.6020908@kddilabs.jp> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:18:27 +0900 From: Hidetoshi Yokota User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sob@harvard.edu, ietf@cdl.asgaard.org References: <4D815387.6050000@kddilabs.jp> In-Reply-To: <4D815387.6050000@kddilabs.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 00:17:50 -0700 Cc: Hidetoshi Yokota , opsawg@ietf.org, Subir Das Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Request for a presentation time slot in OPSA WG for a DCOPS I-D in Prague meeting X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:17:34 -0000 Dear Scott, Chris and Ron, This is a friendly reminder for a presentation request for OPSAWG in Prague meeting. Thanks in advance and best regards, -- Hidetoshi (2011/03/17 9:19), Hidetoshi Yokota wrote: > Dear Scott, Chris and Ron, > > In Prague meeting, we would like to give a short presentation in OPSAWG > for our I-D, which was submitted and discussed in DCOPS WG (aka Cloud > bar-BoF). The information about the I-D and presentation is as follows: > > ============= > I-D:"Service Management for Virtualized Networks" > > > URL: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01 > > Time: about 10 min. > > Presenter: Subir Das, Telcordia Technologies, Inc. > > Abstract: > Network virtualization technique leveraged by a virtual machine makes > it possible to dynamically relocate functional entities without > topological and physical constraints. By tapping into this > technique, service mobility, which deals with not only functional > entities but also sessions established between those entities, will > become possible and such capability is especially longed for > realizing more scalable and reliable telecom networks. This document > provides the reference model for service mobility in a virtual > environment and defines the control protocol between the virtualized > platform and the managing controller to realize service mobility. > ========= > > Please let us know if further information is needed. > > Thanks in advance and best regards, From aakhter@cisco.com Mon Mar 21 09:24:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCD33A68A6 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a1bprCSz3b2t for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65FD3A688C for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:24:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=aakhter@cisco.com; l=1465; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1300724783; x=1301934383; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:from:to; bh=P93/FmyxBAjmQ9BrCObNC4k/R1qtHvekbo8jSxBmIgc=; b=KV52avJkQsQyfiyi9yS+W7V3G81RANvyMY/QUcBtmMPeabrmIkZh9DBc SZpzkLthgf7IovShcy2joVEc8x+2YBQ0KbsebI/bNaI8yDzim62ugxgYQ /hRORCaY78SD5a2IB2JnISDlIwYIy2MfTl+gBnSN2aiiSPqLr/VZgWfHg M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosHAPcYh02tJXG9/2dsb2JhbACYc40Cd6UUnA2FYwSFM4sL X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,220,1299456000"; d="scan'208";a="280427714" Received: from rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com ([173.37.113.189]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Mar 2011 16:26:23 +0000 Received: from xbh-rcd-101.cisco.com (xbh-rcd-101.cisco.com [72.163.62.138]) by rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2LGQNj5011409 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:26:23 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-101.cisco.com ([72.163.62.143]) by xbh-rcd-101.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:26:23 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:26:18 -0500 Message-ID: <7F298ACC76CC154F832B6D02852D169F043E58EB@XMB-RCD-101.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Performance Monitoring drafts for review Thread-Index: Acvn5BI9M7I80sJnQpGqiqMOTyxBFQ== From: "Aamer Akhter (aakhter)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2011 16:26:23.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7D15460:01CBE7E4] Subject: [OPSAWG] Performance Monitoring drafts for review X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:24:52 -0000 Hello OPSAWG, Please find two draft submissions to the OPSAWG group in the area of user traffic based performance monitoring.=20 Methodology Network Flow Performance Measurement draft-akhter-opsawg-perfmon-method-00.txt IPFIX Information Elements for Flow Performance Measurement http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-akhter-opsawg-perfmon-ipfix/ The purpose of the methodology draft is to present a methodology for network equipment to be able to analyze user traffic for the purposes of evaluating network as well as application performance (use cases are included in the document). The IPFIX document maps the measurements into IPFIX information elements. Abstract There is a need to be able to quantify and report the performance of network applications and the network service in handling user data. This performance data provides information essential in validating service level agreements, fault isolation as well as early warnings of network greater problems. This document describes a generic methodology for calculating metrics related to network based applications. In addition, to the performance metrics, several additional information elements are included to help provide greater context to the reports. The measurements use audio/video applications as base examples but are not restricted to these class of applications. Looking forward to any feedback on these drafts.=20 From bertietf@bwijnen.net Tue Mar 22 06:17:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB99728C0D0 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:17:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.249, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_17=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 80nuc0BaK2Ke for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1342]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A62528C11A for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayeaye.ripe.net ([193.0.23.5]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q21Th-00027r-LY for opsawg@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:18:31 +0100 Received: from dog.ripe.net ([193.0.1.217] helo=BWMACBOOK.local) by ayeaye.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q21Th-0004Hr-HA for opsawg@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:18:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4D88A1A5.7010805@bwijnen.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:18:29 +0100 From: "Bert (IETF) Wijnen" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opsawg@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: 86ab03e524994f79ca2c75a176445dd4c1f361e4e2bc4d704aab87a099b1d3f9 Subject: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:17:00 -0000 >From some discussion I had with Yingjie Gu on document draft-gu-dc-management-problem-statement > The following is brief introduction of the problem and you can find the draft at: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gu-dc-management-problem-statement/ > I fail to post it to OPSAWG, so you cannot find it at OPSAWG page. > In order to post, you have to be subscribed. Are you. The other thing is that it will probably not accept any (large) or weird (.doc) attachements. If that all fails, pls send an email to the OPSA WG chairs (opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org) because they can make sure your postings are accepted. > The background is that VM are allowed to relocate at any place in DataCenter without interruption to running service on the VM. > I partition the problem into two parts: > 1) Policy migration, which similar to the slides Linda sent to you. Our further consideration on this part is that, NETCONF/NETMOD is a possible way to reconfigure the policy on new location, but it needs automatic mechanism. We also think that policy-base management protocol COPS-PR could also resolve the problem. COPS-PR may be better, because we can easily complete automatic configuration based on the PEP-PDP architecture. Assuming there is a migration notification from VM to network, the devices involved in can connect PDP to get configuration automatically. What's your opinion on this point? > Well, COPS-PR has not really been picked up by any products (as far as we know). There is no-one anymore interested in it in the IETF (at least not as far as I know). In fact a few IETFs ago, we were even discussing to reclassify the do COPS-PR documents to HISTORIC. But since that requires work, nobody seemed interested to do that either. So they are just lingering on. You could bring this up in the OPSAWG session/presentation and solicit for feedback. Don't be surprised or offended if you get severe push back on it. > 2) Dynamic information also needs to migrate with VM, if we hope the running service on VM is not > interrupted. By dynamic information, I mean such items like TCP Connection tables and dynamic > ACLs, not configured by NM, that is generated on devices according to real traffic. My draft has > given some reason why dynamic information needs to be migrated. For this part of problem, > we think a new system and protocol should be defined to transfer the dynamic information. > The reason that existing NM is not applicable is > a) dynamic information migration from one device to another differs from configuration > sending from NM to elements, > b)dynamic information migration is time-sensitive, meaning it should not be earlier than a > specific time, refer to my draft for detail please. > > Sincerely hope to hear your opinion on the problems. > I need to read your latest document. Not sure I have time for that before the upcoming IETF (too many documents to read as always). But I will give it a try. It would be good to do this sort of discussion on the OPSA WG mailing list. That way other people get to see it and... others will probably have other things to say as well. Bert From guyingjie@huawei.com Tue Mar 22 22:34:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728853A68F0 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:34:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.769 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.769 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.126, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_17=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sXJNhYuXdhQb for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga04-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B713A68ED for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIH00C21WV8BT@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:35:32 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxeml202-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIH00C70WV8PN@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:35:32 +0800 (CST) Received: from SZXEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.59) by szxeml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:34:04 +0800 Received: from g00107907 (10.138.41.98) by szxeml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.59) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:35:31 +0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:38:44 +0800 From: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" In-reply-to: <4D88A1A5.7010805@bwijnen.net> X-Originating-IP: [10.138.41.98] To: "'Bert (IETF) Wijnen'" , opsawg@ietf.org Message-id: <001401cbe91c$938f9dd0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcvolDfZjtyqlNSoTDm/S1DGcOU+VwAbvu+A Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 05:34:10 -0000 Hi Bert, Thank you very much for your comments. Some of my considerations to your comments. > Well, COPS-PR has not really been picked up by any products (as far as we > know). There is no-one anymore interested in it in the IETF (at least not as far as I > know). In fact a few IETFs ago, we were even discussing to reclassify the do > COPS-PR documents to HISTORIC. But since that requires work, nobody seemed > interested to do that either. So they are just lingering on. You could bring this up in > the OPSAWG session/presentation and solicit for feedback. Don't be surprised or > offended if you get severe push back on it. Thanks for the information. You are right, COPS-PR is not wildly used. Maybe we don't use COPS-PR, it has some cons and it's binary encoding (RFC3535), we could only refer to the architecture of COPS. 3GPP uses COPS architecture, where each QoS request for bearer traffic is queried and authorized by PDP. I also considered NETCONF for Policy migration. NETCONF is competent for policy reconfiguration on destination devices where VM migrates to. However some parts lack if we want a complete mechanism. 1) The difference between VM migration and 'VM delete and add' is the former is much more sensitive to delay, because there are some running services on it. So we need a 'Trigger' to let NM know 'this is right the time to reconfigure policies'; 2) NM need to know where to reconfigure the policies, i.e. where the VM migrates to. Two ways to achieve these. 1) 'Sideway' Let IT Manager/VM Manager notifies NM every time IT Manager wants to move a VM. The notification could be minutes even hours before real migration. This is non-standard way, or say there is no standard for this intention yet. And this 'Sideway' cannot accurately migrate Dynamic information, because Dynamic Information is very sensitive to migration time, it's best to migrate when VM stop running. 2) 'in-band' Let network feels the migration and triggers policy and Dynamic Information migration. VDP (VSI Discovery and Configuration Protocol), defined in IEEE 802.1Qbg, associates/de-associate a VM with switch, that is the switches can feel the 'coming' and 'leaving' of VM. If switch feel the coming a VM, it can easily notify the NM to reconfigure policies and Dynamic information on it. Doesn't it seem very like the COPS architecture? PEP (switch) query PDP(NM) for action indication (reconfigure). That is why I mentioned COPS-PR. The purpose of my document includes two parts: 1) I believe there is some standard we need to do to migrate Dynamic Information. 2) We may also need to analyze whether static policy migration can be achieved by existing NM with some extended mechanism, and whether we need to standardize the extended mechanism. Hope to hear more opinions from the WG. Thanks again. Yingjie > -----Original Message----- > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Bert (IETF) Wijnen > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:18 PM > To: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? > > From some discussion I had with Yingjie Gu on document > > draft-gu-dc-management-problem-statement > > > The following is brief introduction of the problem and you can find the draft at: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gu-dc-management-problem-statement/ > > I fail to post it to OPSAWG, so you cannot find it at OPSAWG page. > > > > In order to post, you have to be subscribed. Are you. > The other thing is that it will probably not accept any (large) or weird (.doc) > attachements. > If that all fails, pls send an email to the OPSA WG chairs > (opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org) > because they can make sure your postings are accepted. > > > The background is that VM are allowed to relocate at any place in DataCenter > without interruption to running service on the VM. > > I partition the problem into two parts: > > 1) Policy migration, which similar to the slides Linda sent to you. Our further > consideration on this part is that, NETCONF/NETMOD is a possible way to > reconfigure the policy on new location, but it needs automatic mechanism. We also > think that policy-base management protocol COPS-PR could also resolve the > problem. COPS-PR may be better, because we can easily complete automatic > configuration based on the PEP-PDP architecture. Assuming there is a migration > notification from VM to network, the devices involved in can connect PDP to get > configuration automatically. What's your opinion on this point? > > > Well, COPS-PR has not really been picked up by any products (as far as we know). > There is no-one anymore interested in it in the IETF (at least not as far as I know). > In fact a few IETFs ago, we were even discussing to reclassify the do COPS-PR > documents > to HISTORIC. But since that requires work, nobody seemed interested to do that > either. > So they are just lingering on. > You could bring this up in the OPSAWG session/presentation and solicit for > feedback. > Don't be surprised or offended if you get severe push back on it. > > 2) Dynamic information also needs to migrate with VM, if we hope the running > service on VM is not > > interrupted. By dynamic information, I mean such items like TCP Connection > tables and dynamic > > ACLs, not configured by NM, that is generated on devices according to real traffic. > My draft has > > given some reason why dynamic information needs to be migrated. For this part > of problem, > > we think a new system and protocol should be defined to transfer the dynamic > information. > > The reason that existing NM is not applicable is > > a) dynamic information migration from one device to another differs from > configuration > > sending from NM to elements, > > b)dynamic information migration is time-sensitive, meaning it should not be > earlier than a > > specific time, refer to my draft for detail please. > > > > Sincerely hope to hear your opinion on the problems. > > > I need to read your latest document. > Not sure I have time for that before the upcoming IETF (too many documents to > read as always). > But I will give it a try. > > It would be good to do this sort of discussion on the OPSA WG mailing list. > That way other people get to see it and... others will probably have other > things to say as well. > > Bert > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Wed Mar 23 00:50:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059663A6905 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:50:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.052, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eJ-5XrhLEfEY for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2BA3A6900 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070EDC0031; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:51:35 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V3-lC3kFzWxb; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:51:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E34C002E; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:51:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 310CA173F0FC; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:51:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:51:28 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" Message-ID: <20110323075128.GA1578@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" , "'Bert (IETF) Wijnen'" , opsawg@ietf.org References: <4D88A1A5.7010805@bwijnen.net> <001401cbe91c$938f9dd0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001401cbe91c$938f9dd0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 07:50:03 -0000 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 01:38:44PM +0800, Yingjie Gu(yingjie) wrote: > The purpose of my document includes two parts: 1) I believe there is some standard we need to do to migrate Dynamic Information. 2) We may also need to analyze whether static policy migration can be achieved by existing NM with some extended mechanism, and whether we need to standardize the extended mechanism. > > Hope to hear more opinions from the WG. Can you say something about the VM installations you have operational experience with (size, software platforms used, ...) and that makes you believe there is a lack of a standard? As far as I understand, you are talking about an interface between VM live migration systems and network management systems and maybe middleboxes and I like to understand the ecosystem since such a standard will only have a chance to be deployed if all organizations involved have a keen interest in solving this problem by implementing and deploying a standard. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From guyingjie@huawei.com Wed Mar 23 19:50:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810D73A67D7 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:50:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.295 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.295 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S4N-3PDOHlHy for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DC33A67D4 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIJ00G3ZJYAAT@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:51:46 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxeml206-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIJ00B10JYAGF@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:51:46 +0800 (CST) Received: from SZXEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.32) by szxeml206-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.58) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:51:43 +0800 Received: from g00107907 (10.138.41.98) by SZXEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:51:45 +0800 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:55:04 +0800 From: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" In-reply-to: <20110323075128.GA1578@elstar.local> X-Originating-IP: [10.138.41.98] To: 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' Message-id: <003301cbe9ce$e059d6f0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcvpL1R29pE7OFmdS6Sx/tArkr+aiQAjgNFQ Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:50:41 -0000 We have a small experimental platform to verify some of the problem I described in the draft. In our platform, we used the following components: 1) Virtualization platform: VMware ESX 4.0 and vCenter Trial version 2) Network side manager (not traditional NM for the network), we call it nCenter: OpenNMS 3) Servers: Huawei Product 4) Switches: Huawei Product. 5) NM protocol: SNMP 6) SAN During the experiment, we find no standard to follow to deal with the problem I described in the previous email. I mean we can use SNMP to SET devices, but we have to use VMware API (non-standard) to learn the migration of VM. The API doesn't provide the source and destination network devices, so we have to design yet another proprietary way to learn the source and destination devices. And we have to define several proprietary MIBs for some features we need, e.g. DHCP Snooping table, topology discovery between physical and virtual switch, and dynamic ACL. Later on, maybe we can use NETCONF, but still need to define data module. > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 3:51 PM > To: Yingjie Gu(yingjie) > Cc: 'Bert (IETF) Wijnen'; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM > migration? > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 01:38:44PM +0800, Yingjie Gu(yingjie) wrote: > > > The purpose of my document includes two parts: 1) I believe there is some > standard we need to do to migrate Dynamic Information. 2) We may also need to > analyze whether static policy migration can be achieved by existing NM with some > extended mechanism, and whether we need to standardize the extended > mechanism. > > > > Hope to hear more opinions from the WG. > > Can you say something about the VM installations you have operational > experience with (size, software platforms used, ...) and that makes > you believe there is a lack of a standard? > > As far as I understand, you are talking about an interface between VM > live migration systems and network management systems and maybe > middleboxes and I like to understand the ecosystem since such a > standard will only have a chance to be deployed if all organizations > involved have a keen interest in solving this problem by implementing > and deploying a standard. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Wed Mar 23 21:06:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64513A67E3 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:06:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iWblrAb80y10 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222C83A67C2 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:06:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=kyEcAeLeLez8nYbUnuMDGvJ8+Yr9l63BM837gZve+KqEk7l9Edyw5YgBol7Km/NI; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.23.160.97] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2bq2-0002ez-O6 for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01cbe9e1$8b504c80$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: References: <008801cb9b00$f1bd2040$6801a8c0@oemcomputer><000401cba723$1ed28c40$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <000601cbab6f$33532e40$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <001401cbb2fb$a79cd600$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <8727FC54-B340-42F7-B2D9-2141300273A7@asgaard.org> <002a01cbd528$a64774a0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:08:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d888cc964a8bf633b3826a0b359c3a5f89bd9c6c320aa6425754350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.23.160.97 Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] What to do about TCs for floats X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 04:06:26 -0000 Hi - > From: "Randy Presuhn" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] What to do about TCs for floats > > Hi - > > Isn't it about time for a WG last call on > draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats? I'm not > aware of any open issues - all of the issues and > word-smithing work got done while before the WG > even adopted this as a work item. Since this is > referenced by other work (NHDP-MIB), I see no > point in continuing to wait. > > Randy Ok, it's been nearly a month since this request, and close to three months since my first request for WG last call (January 3rd). I must have overlooked some essential step in the process, or failed to make some incantation. What more needs to be done to get this document into WG last call? Randy From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Thu Mar 24 01:26:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8203A681E for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:26:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5yfC5XGerzlF for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F263A67CF for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32734C0009; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:27:43 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dfsQRwc+ymBm; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:27:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C5FC0007; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:27:41 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6271C17410D0; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:27:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:27:36 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" Message-ID: <20110324082735.GA12104@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" , "'Bert (IETF) Wijnen'" , opsawg@ietf.org References: <20110323075128.GA1578@elstar.local> <003301cbe9ce$e059d6f0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003301cbe9ce$e059d6f0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:26:10 -0000 On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:55:04AM +0800, Yingjie Gu(yingjie) wrote: > We have a small experimental platform to verify some of the problem I described in the draft. > In our platform, we used the following components: > 1) Virtualization platform: VMware ESX 4.0 and vCenter Trial version > 2) Network side manager (not traditional NM for the network), we call it nCenter: OpenNMS > 3) Servers: Huawei Product > 4) Switches: Huawei Product. > 5) NM protocol: SNMP > 6) SAN > During the experiment, we find no standard to follow to deal with the problem I described in the previous email. > I mean we can use SNMP to SET devices, but we have to use VMware API (non-standard) to learn the migration of VM. The API doesn't provide the source and destination network devices, so we have to design yet another proprietary way to learn the source and destination devices. > > And we have to define several proprietary MIBs for some features we need, e.g. DHCP Snooping table, topology discovery between physical and virtual switch, and dynamic ACL. Later on, maybe we can use NETCONF, but still need to define data module. There seems to be ongoing IEEE work to help among other things with VM migrations. What exactly do you want to do in the IETF? I guess I am still not sure what exactly problem is to be solved. Here is what I understood (correct me if I am wrong): * If a switch discovers the movement of a VM (e.g. via VDP), then you want to have a network management system notified. Correct? It seem there is work ongoing in 802.1Qbg to define a MIB module. Perhaps you should ask them to add appropriate notifications? * Once a network manager has learned about a migration, you seem to want to do state transfers. It is not particularly clear to me which state you want to transfer - it seems you are thinking of state held in middleboxes, but I am not sure. Am I missing something? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From alberto.tempiabonda@telecomitalia.it Thu Mar 24 02:12:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89E33A6836 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:12:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tt8CXwWFHhKN for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GRFEDG701BA020.telecomitalia.it (grfedg701ba020.telecomitalia.it [156.54.233.200]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933193A6844 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GRFHUB701BA020.griffon.local (10.188.101.111) by GRFEDG701BA020.telecomitalia.it (10.188.45.100) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:14:12 +0100 Received: from GRFMBX702BA020.griffon.local ([10.188.101.12]) by grfhub701ba020.griffon.local ([10.188.101.111]) with mapi; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:14:12 +0100 From: Tempia Bonda Alberto To: "opsawg@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:14:12 +0100 Thread-Topic: Passive performance monitoring draft - draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m-00 Thread-Index: AcvcwADMyzqWaRkxR2CY2xIdtyKwdgNQkb1g Message-ID: <9FCB2ACF14591E4DAF4180D4010E3618A7CA6AFE79@GRFMBX702BA020.griffon.local> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: it-IT, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Capello Alessandro Subject: [OPSAWG] Passive performance monitoring draft - draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m-00 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:12:41 -0000 Dear OPSAWG, we have submitted a draft describing a method to perform passive performanc= e monitoring (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m-00) and we= have requested a time slot in Prague to dicuss this topic. Any comment and feedback is appreciated. Regards, Alberto -----Original Message----- From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] Sent: luned=EC 7 marzo 2011 13.04 To: Tempia Bonda Alberto Cc: Castaldelli Luca Maria; Capello Alessandro; Cociglio Mauro Subject: New Version Notification for draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m-00 A new version of I-D, draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m-00.txt has been successfully = submitted by Alberto Bonda and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m Revision: 00 Title: A packet-based method for passive performance monitoring Creation_date: 2011-03-07 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 22 Abstract: This document describes a method to accomplish performance monitoring measurements on real traffic, applicable to any packet-based stream, including L2, L3, MPLS traffic, unicast and multicast. The method can be easily implemented using tools and features already available on existing routing platforms without any protocol extension and, for this reason, it does not raise any interoperability issue. However, the method could be further improved by means of some extension to existing protocols, but this aspect is left for further study and it is out of the scope of the document. The IETF Secretariat. Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle per= sone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dall= a conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abb= iate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di dar= ne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione= , Grazie. This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileged = information intended for the addressee(s) only. 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From guyingjie@huawei.com Thu Mar 24 02:34:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBB73A685D for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.784 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.290, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KoaRTfVG7zs3 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95693A6860 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIK00AC42NTMR@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:35:53 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxeml202-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIK00EVS2NTOE@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:35:53 +0800 (CST) Received: from SZXEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.31) by szxeml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:34:22 +0800 Received: from g00107907 (10.138.41.98) by SZXEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:35:51 +0800 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:39:41 +0800 From: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" In-reply-to: <20110324082735.GA12104@elstar.local> X-Originating-IP: [10.138.41.98] To: 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' Message-id: <006e01cbea07$66de5ab0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ahLIky0Fzs7c8h862kHjQg)" Thread-index: Acvp/eZNUnOLBRKBRPqkhXk8r6DVRgAAzElA Cc: 'yingjie gu' , opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:34:35 -0000 --Boundary_(ID_ahLIky0Fzs7c8h862kHjQg) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_OBSEp+Rk9RzinrCqEXoWIw)" --Boundary_(ID_OBSEp+Rk9RzinrCqEXoWIw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder = [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:28 PM > To: Yingjie Gu(yingjie) > Cc: 'Bert (IETF) Wijnen'; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM > migration? >=20 > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:55:04AM +0800, Yingjie Gu(yingjie) wrote: > > We have a small experimental platform to verify some of the problem = I described > in the draft. > > In our platform, we used the following components: > > 1) Virtualization platform: VMware ESX 4.0 and vCenter Trial version > > 2) Network side manager (not traditional NM for the network), we = call it nCenter: > OpenNMS > > 3) Servers: Huawei Product > > 4) Switches: Huawei Product. > > 5) NM protocol: SNMP > > 6) SAN > > During the experiment, we find no standard to follow to deal with = the problem I > described in the previous email. > > I mean we can use SNMP to SET devices, but we have to use VMware API > (non-standard) to learn the migration of VM. The API doesn't provide = the source and > destination network devices, so we have to design yet another = proprietary way to > learn the source and destination devices. > > > > And we have to define several proprietary MIBs for some features we = need, e.g. > DHCP Snooping table, topology discovery between physical and virtual = switch, and > dynamic ACL. Later on, maybe we can use NETCONF, but still need to = define data > module. >=20 > There seems to be ongoing IEEE work to help among other things with VM > migrations. What exactly do you want to do in the IETF? >=20 > I guess I am still not sure what exactly problem is to be solved. Here > is what I understood (correct me if I am wrong): >=20 > * If a switch discovers the movement of a VM (e.g. via VDP), then you > want to have a network management system notified. Correct? >=20 > It seem there is work ongoing in 802.1Qbg to define a MIB module. > Perhaps you should ask them to add appropriate notifications? =20 I have been following and participating IEEE 802.1 Qbg. Qbg doesn't = define MIB, it defines protocol that works only between Hypervisor = (general name for Virtual Switch) and adjacent physical switch to = associate a VM to an adjacent switch. The following is VDP TLV, you can = find detail information at IEEE. Let=E2=80=99s skip the VDP part for now. Assuming the adjacent switch = already learned VM. Here are the parts that we look for to make a = complete mechanism for policy and dynamic information migration: 1) When? For static polices, NM can start polices reconfiguration any = time (operated by a human) or start at the same time as dynamic = information migration (automatically, without human intervention), but = should be finished not too later than VM restart at destination devices. = For dynamic information, we need to know the exact time when = VM-NOT-RUNNING. =20 2) Where? Network manager needs to know the source and destination = devices. API from VM Manager can not provide such information. Both = adjacent switch and upper layer devices, e.g aggregation switch, router = and middleboxes, need to know the migration state if we want to migrate = dynamic information. VDP can not achieve this. 3) How? NETCONF and other existing NMP can work for policy = reconfiguration, as long as the above two parts can be resolved pretty = well.=20 For dynamic information, we need a new mechanism (including architecture = and protocols), I don=E2=80=99t think NETCONF covers this.=20 =20 =20 > * Once a network manager has learned about a migration, you seem to > want to do state transfers. It is not particularly clear to me which > state you want to transfer - it seems you are thinking of state held > in middleboxes, but I am not sure. =20 If you can review my draft, I list some examples in my drafts.=20 Examples are TCP connection table, Multicast membership on ports, DHCP = Snooping, cumulative data, etc.=20 =20 > Am I missing something? Thanks for your attention and comments.=20 > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 --Boundary_(ID_OBSEp+Rk9RzinrCqEXoWIw) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

> -----Original = Message-----

> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]

> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:28 = PM

> To: Yingjie = Gu(yingjie)

> Cc: 'Bert (IETF) Wijnen'; = opsawg@ietf.org

> Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on = network automatic adaption to VM

> migration?

>

> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:55:04AM = +0800, Yingjie Gu(yingjie) wrote:

> > We have a small experimental = platform to verify some of the problem I described

> in the draft.

> > In our platform, we used the = following components:

> > 1) Virtualization platform: VMware = ESX 4.0 and vCenter Trial version

> > 2) Network side manager (not = traditional NM for the network), we call it nCenter:

> OpenNMS

> > 3) Servers: Huawei = Product

> > 4) Switches: Huawei = Product.

> > 5) NM protocol: = SNMP

> > 6) SAN

> > During the experiment, we find no = standard to follow to deal with the problem I

> described in the previous = email.

> > I mean we can use SNMP to SET = devices, but we have to use VMware API

> (non-standard) to learn the migration of = VM. The API doesn't provide the source and

> destination network devices, so we have = to design yet another proprietary way to

> learn the source and destination = devices.

> >

> > And we have to define several = proprietary MIBs for some features we need, e.g.

> DHCP Snooping table, topology discovery = between physical and virtual switch, and

> dynamic ACL. Later on, maybe we can use = NETCONF, but still need to define data

> module.

>

> There seems to be ongoing IEEE work to = help among other things with VM

> migrations. What exactly do you want to = do in the IETF?

> 

> I guess I am still not sure what exactly = problem is to be solved. Here

> is what I understood (correct me if I am = wrong):

>

> * If a switch discovers the movement of = a VM (e.g. via VDP), then you

> =C2=A0=C2=A0want to have a network = management system notified. Correct?

>

> =C2=A0=C2=A0It seem there is work = ongoing in 802.1Qbg to define a MIB module.

> =C2=A0=C2=A0Perhaps you should ask them = to add appropriate notifications?

 

I have been following and = participating IEEE 802.1 Qbg. Qbg doesn't define MIB, it defines protocol that works = only between Hypervisor (general name for Virtual Switch) and adjacent = physical switch to associate a VM to an adjacent switch. The following is VDP = TLV, you can find detail information at IEEE.

Let=E2=80=99s skip the VDP part = for now. Assuming the adjacent switch already learned VM. Here are the parts that we look = for to make a complete mechanism for policy and dynamic information = migration:

1) When? For static polices, NM = can start polices reconfiguration any time (operated by a human) or start at the = same time as dynamic information migration (automatically, without human intervention), but should be finished not too later than VM restart at destination devices. =C2=A0For dynamic information, we need to know the = exact time when VM-NOT-RUNNING. =C2=A0

2) Where? Network manager needs to = know the source and destination devices. API from VM Manager can not provide such information. Both adjacent switch and upper layer devices, e.g = aggregation switch, router and middleboxes, need to know the migration state if we = want to migrate dynamic information. VDP can not achieve = this.

3) How? NETCONF and other existing = NMP can work for policy reconfiguration, as long as the above two parts can be = resolved pretty well.

For dynamic information, we need a = new mechanism (including architecture and protocols), I don=E2=80=99t think = NETCONF covers this.

=C2=A0

=

 

> * Once a network manager has learned = about a migration, you seem to

> =C2=A0=C2=A0want to do state transfers. = It is not particularly clear to me which

> =C2=A0=C2=A0state you want to transfer - = it seems you are thinking of state held

> =C2=A0=C2=A0in middleboxes, but I am not = sure.

 

If you can review my draft, I list = some examples in my drafts.

Examples are TCP connection table, Multicast membership on ports, DHCP Snooping, cumulative data, etc. =

 

> Am I missing = something?

Thanks for your attention and = comments.

> /js

>

> --

> Juergen = Schoenwaelder=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH

> Phone: +49 421 200 = 3587=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, = Germany

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<008801cb9b00$f1bd2040$6801a8c0@oemcomputer><000401cba723$1ed28c40$6801a8c0@oemcomputer><000601cbab6f$33532e40$6801a8c0@oemcomputer><001401cbb2fb$a79cd600$6801a8c0@oemcomputer><8727FC54-B340-42F7-B2D9-2141300273A7@asgaard.org><002a01cbd528$a64774a0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <003d01cbe9e1$8b504c80$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Randy Presuhn" , Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] What to do about TCs for floats X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:37:43 -0000 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randy Presuhn > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:09 AM > To: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] What to do about TCs for floats >=20 > Hi - >=20 > > From: "Randy Presuhn" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 12:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] What to do about TCs for floats > > > > Hi - > >=20 > > Isn't it about time for a WG last call on=20 > > draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats? I'm not aware of any open=20 > issues - all=20 > > of the issues and word-smithing work got done while before=20 > the WG even=20 > > adopted this as a work item. Since this is referenced by=20 > other work=20 > > (NHDP-MIB), I see no point in continuing to wait. > >=20 > > Randy >=20 > Ok, it's been nearly a month since this request, and close to=20 > three months since my first request for WG last call (January 3rd). >=20 > I must have overlooked some essential step in the process, or=20 > failed to make some incantation. What more needs to be done=20 > to get this document into WG last call? >=20 > Randy >=20 Hi,=20 Can we include the question of sending this document to WGLC in the status report the chairs will prepare for the meeting in Prague?=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan=20 From dromasca@avaya.com Thu Mar 24 02:40:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4773A6842 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:40:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.871 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.871 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.693, BAYES_00=-2.599, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P9uXmOZA7SYz for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82023A67C3 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:40:33 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiICAFMtcU3GmAcF/2dsb2JhbACBf1CVW447dKR5ApkWAoMWgkkEh02IPw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,236,1299474000"; d="gif'147?scan'147,208,217,147";a="271089560" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 24 Mar 2011 05:42:03 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,236,1299474000"; d="gif'147?scan'147,208,217,147";a="599972998" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 24 Mar 2011 05:42:02 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBEA07.B0A8C1E7" Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006e01cbea07$66de5ab0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VMmigration? Thread-Index: Acvp/eZNUnOLBRKBRPqkhXk8r6DVRgAAzElAAAGRhzA= References: <20110324082735.GA12104@elstar.local> <006e01cbea07$66de5ab0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" , "Juergen Schoenwaelder" Cc: yingjie gu , opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VMmigration? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:40:43 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEA07.B0A8C1E7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CBEA07.B0A8C1E7" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CBEA07.B0A8C1E7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 Hi Yingjie, IEEE 802.1Qbg will define the MIB extensions for protocols defined in the document. This will be part of Section 17 of the IEEE 802.1Qbg draft, by now a place holder, which will be filled in with content in the coming versions. =20 Thanks and Regards, Dan =20 ________________________________ From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yingjie Gu(yingjie) Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:40 AM To: 'Juergen Schoenwaelder' Cc: 'yingjie gu'; opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VMmigration? =09 =09 =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:28 PM > To: Yingjie Gu(yingjie) > Cc: 'Bert (IETF) Wijnen'; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM > migration? >=20 > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:55:04AM +0800, Yingjie Gu(yingjie) wrote: > > We have a small experimental platform to verify some of the problem I described > in the draft. > > In our platform, we used the following components: > > 1) Virtualization platform: VMware ESX 4.0 and vCenter Trial version > > 2) Network side manager (not traditional NM for the network), we call it nCenter: > OpenNMS > > 3) Servers: Huawei Product > > 4) Switches: Huawei Product. > > 5) NM protocol: SNMP > > 6) SAN > > During the experiment, we find no standard to follow to deal with the problem I > described in the previous email. > > I mean we can use SNMP to SET devices, but we have to use VMware API > (non-standard) to learn the migration of VM. The API doesn't provide the source and > destination network devices, so we have to design yet another proprietary way to > learn the source and destination devices. > > > > And we have to define several proprietary MIBs for some features we need, e.g. > DHCP Snooping table, topology discovery between physical and virtual switch, and > dynamic ACL. Later on, maybe we can use NETCONF, but still need to define data > module. >=20 > There seems to be ongoing IEEE work to help among other things with VM > migrations. What exactly do you want to do in the IETF? >=20 > I guess I am still not sure what exactly problem is to be solved. Here > is what I understood (correct me if I am wrong): >=20 > * If a switch discovers the movement of a VM (e.g. via VDP), then you > want to have a network management system notified. Correct? >=20 > It seem there is work ongoing in 802.1Qbg to define a MIB module. > Perhaps you should ask them to add appropriate notifications? =20 I have been following and participating IEEE 802.1 Qbg. Qbg doesn't define MIB, it defines protocol that works only between Hypervisor (general name for Virtual Switch) and adjacent physical switch to associate a VM to an adjacent switch. The following is VDP TLV, you can find detail information at IEEE. =20 Let's skip the VDP part for now. Assuming the adjacent switch already learned VM. Here are the parts that we look for to make a complete mechanism for policy and dynamic information migration: 1) When? For static polices, NM can start polices reconfiguration any time (operated by a human) or start at the same time as dynamic information migration (automatically, without human intervention), but should be finished not too later than VM restart at destination devices. For dynamic information, we need to know the exact time when VM-NOT-RUNNING. =20 2) Where? Network manager needs to know the source and destination devices. API from VM Manager can not provide such information. Both adjacent switch and upper layer devices, e.g aggregation switch, router and middleboxes, need to know the migration state if we want to migrate dynamic information. VDP can not achieve this. 3) How? NETCONF and other existing NMP can work for policy reconfiguration, as long as the above two parts can be resolved pretty well.=20 For dynamic information, we need a new mechanism (including architecture and protocols), I don't think NETCONF covers this.=20 =20 =20 > * Once a network manager has learned about a migration, you seem to > want to do state transfers. It is not particularly clear to me which > state you want to transfer - it seems you are thinking of state held > in middleboxes, but I am not sure. =20 If you can review my draft, I list some examples in my drafts.=20 Examples are TCP connection table, Multicast membership on ports, DHCP Snooping, cumulative data, etc.=20 =20 > Am I missing something? Thanks for your attention and comments.=20 > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 ------_=_NextPart_002_01CBEA07.B0A8C1E7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 

Hi=20 Yingjie,

IEEE 802.1Qbg will define the MIB extensions = for=20 protocols defined in the document. This will be part of Section 17 of = the IEEE=20 802.1Qbg draft, by now a place holder, which will be filled in with = content in=20 the coming versions.

 
Thanks and=20 Regards,

Dan

 

From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org=20 [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yingjie=20 Gu(yingjie)
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:40 = AM
To:=20 'Juergen Schoenwaelder'
Cc: 'yingjie gu';=20 opsawg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network=20 automatic adaption to VMmigration?

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder=20 [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]

> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:28 = PM

> To: Yingjie Gu(yingjie)

> Cc: 'Bert (IETF) Wijnen'; = opsawg@ietf.org

> Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network = automatic adaption=20 to VM

> migration?

>

> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:55:04AM +0800, Yingjie = Gu(yingjie)=20 wrote:

> > We have a small experimental platform to verify = some of=20 the problem I described

> in the draft.

> > In our platform, we used the following=20 components:

> > 1) Virtualization platform: VMware ESX 4.0 and = vCenter=20 Trial version

> > 2) Network side manager (not traditional NM for = the=20 network), we call it nCenter:

> OpenNMS

> > 3) Servers: Huawei Product

> > 4) Switches: Huawei Product.

> > 5) NM protocol: SNMP

> > 6) SAN

> > During the experiment, we find no standard to = follow to=20 deal with the problem I

> described in the previous email.

> > I mean we can use SNMP to SET devices, but we = have to use=20 VMware API

> (non-standard) to learn the migration of VM. The API = doesn't=20 provide the source and

> destination network devices, so we have to design = yet another=20 proprietary way to

> learn the source and destination = devices.

> >

> > And we have to define several proprietary MIBs = for some=20 features we need, e.g.

> DHCP Snooping table, topology discovery between = physical and=20 virtual switch, and

> dynamic ACL. Later on, maybe we can use NETCONF, but = still=20 need to define data

> module.

>

> There seems to be ongoing IEEE work to help among = other things=20 with VM

> migrations. What exactly do you want to do in the=20 IETF?

> 

> I guess I am still not sure what exactly problem is = to be=20 solved. Here

> is what I understood (correct me if I am=20 wrong):

>

> * If a switch discovers the movement of a VM (e.g. = via VDP),=20 then you

>   want to have a network management system = notified.=20 Correct?

>

>   It seem there is work ongoing in = 802.1Qbg to=20 define a MIB module.

>   Perhaps you should ask them to add = appropriate=20 notifications?

 

I have been = following and=20 participating IEEE 802.1 Qbg. Qbg doesn't define MIB, it defines = protocol that=20 works only between Hypervisor (general name for Virtual Switch) and = adjacent=20 physical switch to associate a VM to an adjacent switch. The following = is VDP=20 TLV, you can find detail information at = IEEE.

Let’s skip = the VDP part for=20 now. Assuming the adjacent switch already learned VM. Here are the = parts that=20 we look for to make a complete mechanism for policy and dynamic = information=20 migration:

1) When? For = static polices,=20 NM can start polices reconfiguration any time (operated by a human) or = start=20 at the same time as dynamic information migration (automatically, = without=20 human intervention), but should be finished not too later than VM = restart at=20 destination devices.  For dynamic information, we need to know = the exact=20 time when VM-NOT-RUNNING.  

2) Where? Network = manager=20 needs to know the source and destination devices. API from VM Manager = can not=20 provide such information. Both adjacent switch and upper layer = devices, e.g=20 aggregation switch, router and middleboxes, need to know the migration = state=20 if we want to migrate dynamic information. VDP can not achieve=20 this.

3) How? NETCONF = and other=20 existing NMP can work for policy reconfiguration, as long as the above = two=20 parts can be resolved pretty well.

For dynamic = information, we=20 need a new mechanism (including architecture and protocols), I = don’t think=20 NETCONF covers this.

 

 

> * Once a network manager has learned about a = migration, you=20 seem to

>   want to do state transfers. It is not = particularly=20 clear to me which

>   state you want to transfer - it seems = you are=20 thinking of state held

>   in middleboxes, but I am not=20 sure.

 

If you can review = my draft, I=20 list some examples in my drafts.

Examples are TCP = connection=20 table, Multicast membership on ports, DHCP Snooping, cumulative data, = etc.=20

 

> Am I missing something?

Thanks for your = attention and=20 comments.

> /js

>

> --

> Juergen=20 = Schoenwaelder          = =20 Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH

> Phone: +49 421 200=20 3587         Campus Ring 1, = 28759=20 Bremen,=20 Germany

> Fax:   +49 421 200=20 3103        =20 = <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>

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opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27A33A67E6 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:55:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8bjuUBmqAUaP for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2D13A67D6 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5872DC0041; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:57:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oQNc9MA710I1; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:57:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B15C0007; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:57:13 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 35C6E17412B3; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:57:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:57:08 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" Message-ID: <20110324095708.GA12420@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" , "'Bert (IETF) Wijnen'" , opsawg@ietf.org, 'yingjie gu' References: <20110324082735.GA12104@elstar.local> <006e01cbea07$66de5ab0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <006e01cbea07$66de5ab0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: 'yingjie gu' , opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:55:42 -0000 On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 05:39:41PM +0800, Yingjie Gu(yingjie) wrote: > I have been following and participating IEEE 802.1 Qbg. Qbg doesn't > define MIB, it defines protocol that works only between Hypervisor > (general name for Virtual Switch) and adjacent physical switch to > associate a VM to an adjacent switch. The following is VDP TLV, you > can find detail information at IEEE. So what about the MIB listed here? http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1bg.html And terminology wise, I disagree with the notion that a Hypervisor is a general name for a Virtual Switch. > Let’s skip the VDP part for now. Assuming the adjacent switch already learned VM. Here are the parts that we look for to make a complete mechanism for policy and dynamic information migration: > > 1) When? For static polices, NM can start polices reconfiguration any time (operated by a human) or start at the same time as dynamic information migration (automatically, without human intervention), but should be finished not too later than VM restart at destination devices. For dynamic information, we need to know the exact time when VM-NOT-RUNNING. > > 2) Where? Network manager needs to know the source and destination devices. API from VM Manager can not provide such information. Both adjacent switch and upper layer devices, e.g aggregation switch, router and middleboxes, need to know the migration state if we want to migrate dynamic information. VDP can not achieve this. > > 3) How? NETCONF and other existing NMP can work for policy reconfiguration, as long as the above two parts can be resolved pretty well. > > For dynamic information, we need a new mechanism (including architecture and protocols), I don’t think NETCONF covers this. Sounds too abstract too me. You are already sure you need new architecture and protocols while I am still not sure what the problem to be solved is. It sounds like you want communication between the VM management system and the network management system. If so, to have a chance of success in terms of implementation of deployment, you would have to have organizations building VM management system and network management systems excited about the idea. > If you can review my draft, I list some examples in my drafts. > > Examples are TCP connection table, Multicast membership on ports, DHCP Snooping, cumulative data, etc. > I already choked up on the TCP connection table. What I call the TCP connection table sits in the kernel of the OS being migrated, so I fail to see what needs to be done there. I had the impression you were thinking more about connection state maintained by middleboxes, but your document just did not make this clear enough to me. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From mike@plixer.com Thu Mar 24 19:24:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3FB3A6856 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:24:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sty42ItLUU8C for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.plixer.com (smtp.plixer.com [66.186.184.193]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2093A67B4 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:24:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable x-cr-puzzleid: {C3B07461-A258-4EB9-A9D8-B0AEF6A5888F} X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AJsc A5fT CHda DATk DBdK EmKr E2uG FvPk Fvub HmTx Ic0l Iwo9 JMv2 JPm2 JpZx J0jD; 1; bwBwAHMAYQB3AGcAQABpAGUAdABmAC4AbwByAGcA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {C3B07461-A258-4EB9-A9D8-B0AEF6A5888F}; bQBpAGsAZQBAAHAAbABpAHgAZQByAC4AYwBvAG0A; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:26:13 GMT; UABlAHIAZgBvAHIAbQBhAG4AYwBlACAATQBvAG4AaQB0AG8AcgBpAG4AZwAgAGYAZQBlAGQAYgBhAGMAawA= Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:26:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Performance Monitoring feedback Thread-Index: Acvn5BI9M7I80sJnQpGqiqMOTyxBFQAAiW0AAJm5qOAAAG4usAAAHVBAAABKuSAABYmJcAAAJKXQAAsD+oA= From: "Mike Patterson" To: Subject: [OPSAWG] Performance Monitoring feedback X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:25:35 -0000 There is no question that there is interest in exporting these types of statistics. Already we see Cisco, nProbe and Sonicwall exporting this type of information and at least one more vendor that we know of is following suit. I'm sure there are others.=20 It is clear to me that this performance monitoring flow export has a future. Very few customers have implemented Performance Monitoring as it is so new, but many are interested. =20 Michael Patterson (207)324-8805 x222 FlowFest 2011 - Advanced NetFlow Training http://www.plixer.com/about/flowfest-netflow-training.php From yokota@kddilabs.jp Thu Mar 24 18:21:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CA63A6905 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:21:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Xtjq2q+-p4r for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABB23A677C for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B451748130; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:22:46 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f5ypFg0AUjuG; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:22:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp (ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp [172.19.90.145]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5847217481CA; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:22:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (yokotaiMac.mn.mip.kddilabs.jp [172.19.90.27]) by ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBFC1B861; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:22:32 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4D8BEE5B.1010202@kddilabs.jp> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:22:35 +0900 From: Hidetoshi Yokota User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sob@harvard.edu, ietf@cdl.asgaard.org References: <4D815387.6050000@kddilabs.jp> <4D8369B3.6020908@kddilabs.jp> In-Reply-To: <4D8369B3.6020908@kddilabs.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:38:26 -0700 Cc: Hidetoshi Yokota , opsawg@ietf.org, Subir Das Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Request for a presentation time slot in OPSA WG for a DCOPS I-D in Prague meeting X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 01:21:25 -0000 Dear Scott, Chris and Ron, We know that you are all very busy preparing for Prague meeting. This is another friendly reminder for a presentation request for OPSAWG. Please let us know if the agenda is going to be fixed. Regards, -- Hidetoshi (2011/03/18 23:18), Hidetoshi Yokota wrote: > Dear Scott, Chris and Ron, > > This is a friendly reminder for a presentation request for OPSAWG in > Prague meeting. > > Thanks in advance and best regards, > -- Hidetoshi (2011/03/17 9:19), Hidetoshi Yokota wrote: >> > Dear Scott, Chris and Ron, >> > >> > In Prague meeting, we would like to give a short presentation in OPSAWG >> > for our I-D, which was submitted and discussed in DCOPS WG (aka Cloud >> > bar-BoF). The information about the I-D and presentation is as follows: >> > >> > ============= >> > I-D:"Service Management for Virtualized Networks" >> > >> > >> > URL:http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01 >> > >> > Time: about 10 min. >> > >> > Presenter: Subir Das, Telcordia Technologies, Inc. >> > >> > Abstract: >> > Network virtualization technique leveraged by a virtual machine makes >> > it possible to dynamically relocate functional entities without >> > topological and physical constraints. By tapping into this >> > technique, service mobility, which deals with not only functional >> > entities but also sessions established between those entities, will >> > become possible and such capability is especially longed for >> > realizing more scalable and reliable telecom networks. This document >> > provides the reference model for service mobility in a virtual >> > environment and defines the control protocol between the virtualized >> > platform and the managing controller to realize service mobility. >> > ========= >> > >> > Please let us know if further information is needed. >> > >> > Thanks in advance and best regards, > > > From mmorrow@cisco.com Fri Mar 25 03:09:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911863A67C3 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:09:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lc-CSFMZJpn9 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB083A67B0 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:08:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=mmorrow@cisco.com; l=11936; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1301047834; x=1302257434; h=mime-version:subject:date:message-id:references:from:to: cc; bh=A/Rt/tK3DXBpZfcm+NJudtbbEnLukYbmwhkAOaNeLns=; b=ZjKV0Z0BApQD9h1TNJNHwWyzSoPGiOxSR3G+heLUxRh53e/W6Q2fnAWD pDAoNhaGFlqrNInpHX78LVWtLFoM1zoSlKiZFlibJQzwllFq914I5TTy/ R0zISOSkALK3dwyDgdc/iKPuUNUL9WHP1IF6rYIO0vYAwopaRVIgH+2p5 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApAEAF9pjE2Q/khLgWdsb2JhbACeXIZ2FAEBFiYliE2eapxSgxaCUwSQT4Mk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,242,1299456000"; d="scan'208,217";a="80791565" Received: from ams-core-2.cisco.com ([144.254.72.75]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Mar 2011 10:10:33 +0000 Received: from xbh-ams-101.cisco.com (xbh-ams-101.cisco.com [144.254.74.71]) by ams-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2PAAX6O011956; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:10:33 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-110.cisco.com ([144.254.74.85]) by xbh-ams-101.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:10:33 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAD4.E031615A" Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:08:28 +0100 Message-ID: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CD05@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 Thread-Index: AcvlLCr92eptUlh+TKq7VUxFXW9fGgFqGtmW References: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CB10@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> From: "Monique Morrow (mmorrow)" To: "Bhumip Khasnabish" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2011 10:10:33.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0BA8E80:01CBEAD4] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:38:26 -0700 Cc: "Masum Hasan \(masum\)" , "Iyer, Sundar K" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:09:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAD4.E031615A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok - looks like you have already Cc's opsawg as per below I am additionally copying Scott, Chris and Ron [Authors are copied] Monique -----Original Message----- From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com] Sent: Thu 3/17/2011 10:20 PM To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org Cc: Masum Hasan (masum); Iyer, Sundar K Subject: Re: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 =20 Thanks Monique. PLS cc: the time slot request to opsawg@ietf.org as well. Best. Bhumip On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Monique Morrow (mmorrow) = wrote: > > Dear Bhumip > > I will be presenting on behalf of our team[ Cisco-Telstra] > > Best regards > > Monique > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com ] > Sent: Wed 3/16/2011 6:03 AM > To: Masum Hasan (masum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); Iyer, Sundar K > Subject: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG > mtg during IETF-80 > > Masum, Sundar, and Monique, > > I hope all of you will be coming to Prague (IETF-80). > > As you know we have requested for time slots for presenting = DCOPS-focused > drafts during OPSAWG. > > I am requesting you to send an email to Scott and Chris with CC: to = Ron and > me expressing your interest to present these drafts during OPSAWG mtg > during > IETF-80. *PLS include the text below showing draft name, abstract, = URL, > time, presenter) in your email. > * > Scott Bradner , > Chris Liljenstolpe , > Ronald Bonica > > They can consider to allocate 10 min or so for each of these drafts. = We > have > already requested for time for eight drafts including your ones and = they > would be very happy to see the request from you (authors) as well. > We'll discuss this further during our call on Friday-18-March-2011 (10 = AM > ET). > > Thank you very much. > Best. > > > > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------- > Draft Name: Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud ( > > = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc= -seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt > ) > > Author/presenter: Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud = abstraction > called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless = extension > of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We = also > introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for = on-demand > manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud. > > > > Draft Name: Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds = ( > > = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%= 20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt > ) > > Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, OS, > compute, > storage and policy (workloads) within and between service provider, > enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is driven = by > consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace = savings. > Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that exploit = more > favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of = workloads > closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, the > reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at = fewer > sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the > solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the need = to > preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, or > otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework for > considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, = rationale > for > migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating these > workloads that consider these factors. > > > > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- > Best Regards. > > Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com) > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhumipkhasnabish > > --=20 Best Regards. Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com) http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhumipkhasnabish =A9 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save the = content of this email if you are not the intended recipient of the communiqu=E9. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAD4.E031615A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

Ok - looks like you have already Cc's opsawg as per = below

I am additionally copying Scott, Chris and Ron

[Authors are copied]

Monique


-----Original Message-----
From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com]
Sent: Thu 3/17/2011 10:20 PM
To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org
Cc: Masum Hasan (masum); Iyer, Sundar K
Subject: Re: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

Thanks Monique.

PLS cc: the time slot request to opsawg@ietf.org as well.
Best.
Bhumip



On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Monique Morrow (mmorrow) = <mmorrow@cisco.com
> wrote:

>
> Dear Bhumip
>
> I will be presenting on behalf of our team[ Cisco-Telstra]
>
> Best regards
>
> Monique
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com = <vumip1@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Wed 3/16/2011 6:03 AM
> To: Masum Hasan (masum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); Iyer, Sundar = K
> Subject: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG
> mtg during IETF-80
>
> Masum, Sundar, and Monique,
>
> I hope all of you will be coming to Prague (IETF-80).
>
> As you know we have requested for time slots for presenting = DCOPS-focused
> drafts during OPSAWG.
>
> I am requesting you to send an email to Scott and Chris with CC: to = Ron and
> me expressing your interest to present these drafts during OPSAWG = mtg
> during
> IETF-80. *PLS include the text below showing draft name, abstract, = URL,
> time, presenter) in your email.
> *
> Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu>,
> Chris Liljenstolpe <ietf@cdl.asgaard.org>,
> Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
>
> They can consider to allocate 10 min or so for each of these = drafts. We
> have
> already requested for time for eight drafts including your ones and = they
> would be very happy to see the request from you (authors) as = well.
> We'll discuss this further during our call on Friday-18-March-2011 = (10 AM
> ET).
>
> Thank you very much.
> Best.
>
>
>
> = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------------------------------------------
> Draft Name:  Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class = Cloud (
>
> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app= /trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt > )
>
> Author/presenter: Masum Hasan
> Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
> Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud = abstraction
> called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless = extension
> of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. = We also
> introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for = on-demand
> manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud.
>
>
>
>  Draft Name:  Protocol Considerations for Workload = Mobility in Clouds (
>
> h= ttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%2= 0Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt
> )
>
> Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan
> Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
> Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, = OS,
> compute,
> storage and policy (workloads) within and between service = provider,
> enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is = driven by
> consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace = savings.
> Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that = exploit more
> favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of = workloads
> closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, = the
> reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at = fewer
> sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of = the
> solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the = need to
> preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, = or
> otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework = for
> considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, = rationale
> for
> migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating = these
> workloads that consider these factors.
>
>
>
>  = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------
> Best Regards.
>
> Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com)
> http://www.linkedin.= com/in/bhumipkhasnabish
>
>


--
Best Regards.

Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com)
http://www.linkedin.= com/in/bhumipkhasnabish

=A9 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save the = content
of this email if you are not the intended recipient of the = communiqu=E9.

------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAD4.E031615A-- From sob@harvard.edu Fri Mar 25 03:45:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E9828C160 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:45:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.134, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 55OBn0j9DsCh for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162B128C15B for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 578A19F00DB; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:47:27 -0400 (EDT) To: mmorrow@cisco.com, opsawg@ietf.org, vumip1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CD05@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> Message-Id: <20110325104727.578A19F00DB@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:47:27 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Cc: masum@cisco.com, Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:45:55 -0000 this does not look like the docukemt was submitted as an Internet Draft is that correct? Scott ---- >From mmorrow@cisco.com Fri Mar 25 06:10:35 2011 X-Original-To: sob@newdev.harvard.edu Delivered-To: sob@newdev.harvard.edu DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=mmorrow@cisco.com; l=11936; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1301047834; x=1302257434; h=mime-version:subject:date:message-id:references:from:to: cc; bh=A/Rt/tK3DXBpZfcm+NJudtbbEnLukYbmwhkAOaNeLns=; b=ZjKV0Z0BApQD9h1TNJNHwWyzSoPGiOxSR3G+heLUxRh53e/W6Q2fnAWD pDAoNhaGFlqrNInpHX78LVWtLFoM1zoSlKiZFlibJQzwllFq914I5TTy/ R0zISOSkALK3dwyDgdc/iKPuUNUL9WHP1IF6rYIO0vYAwopaRVIgH+2p5 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApAEAF9pjE2Q/khLgWdsb2JhbACeXIZ2FAEBFiYliE2eapxSgxaCUwSQT4Mk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,242,1299456000"; d="scan'208,217";a="80791565" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAD4.E031615A" Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:08:28 +0100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 Thread-Index: AcvlLCr92eptUlh+TKq7VUxFXW9fGgFqGtmW References: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CB10@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> From: "Monique Morrow (mmorrow)" To: "Bhumip Khasnabish" , Cc: "Masum Hasan (masum)" , "Iyer, Sundar K" , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2011 10:10:33.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0BA8E80:01CBEAD4] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAD4.E031615A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok - looks like you have already Cc's opsawg as per below I am additionally copying Scott, Chris and Ron [Authors are copied] Monique -----Original Message----- From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com] Sent: Thu 3/17/2011 10:20 PM To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org Cc: Masum Hasan (masum); Iyer, Sundar K Subject: Re: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 =20 Thanks Monique. PLS cc: the time slot request to opsawg@ietf.org as well. Best. Bhumip On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Monique Morrow (mmorrow) = wrote: > > Dear Bhumip > > I will be presenting on behalf of our team[ Cisco-Telstra] > > Best regards > > Monique > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com ] > Sent: Wed 3/16/2011 6:03 AM > To: Masum Hasan (masum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); Iyer, Sundar K > Subject: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG > mtg during IETF-80 > > Masum, Sundar, and Monique, > > I hope all of you will be coming to Prague (IETF-80). > > As you know we have requested for time slots for presenting = DCOPS-focused > drafts during OPSAWG. > > I am requesting you to send an email to Scott and Chris with CC: to = Ron and > me expressing your interest to present these drafts during OPSAWG mtg > during > IETF-80. *PLS include the text below showing draft name, abstract, = URL, > time, presenter) in your email. > * > Scott Bradner , > Chris Liljenstolpe , > Ronald Bonica > > They can consider to allocate 10 min or so for each of these drafts. = We > have > already requested for time for eight drafts including your ones and = they > would be very happy to see the request from you (authors) as well. > We'll discuss this further during our call on Friday-18-March-2011 (10 = AM > ET). > > Thank you very much. > Best. > > > > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------------------- > Draft Name: Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud ( > > = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc= -seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt > ) > > Author/presenter: Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud = abstraction > called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless = extension > of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We = also > introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for = on-demand > manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud. > > > > Draft Name: Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds = ( > > = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%= 20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt > ) > > Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, OS, > compute, > storage and policy (workloads) within and between service provider, > enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is driven = by > consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace = savings. > Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that exploit = more > favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of = workloads > closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, the > reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at = fewer > sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the > solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the need = to > preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, or > otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework for > considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, = rationale > for > migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating these > workloads that consider these factors. > > > > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- > Best Regards. > > Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com) > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhumipkhasnabish > > --=20 Best Regards. Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com) http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhumipkhasnabish =A9 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save the = content of this email if you are not the intended recipient of the communiqu=E9. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAD4.E031615A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

Ok - looks like you have already Cc's opsawg as per = below

I am additionally copying Scott, Chris and Ron

[Authors are copied]

Monique


-----Original Message-----
From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com]
Sent: Thu 3/17/2011 10:20 PM
To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org
Cc: Masum Hasan (masum); Iyer, Sundar K
Subject: Re: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

Thanks Monique.

PLS cc: the time slot request to opsawg@ietf.org as well.
Best.
Bhumip



On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Monique Morrow (mmorrow) = <mmorrow@cisco.com
> wrote:

>
> Dear Bhumip
>
> I will be presenting on behalf of our team[ Cisco-Telstra]
>
> Best regards
>
> Monique
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com = <vumip1@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Wed 3/16/2011 6:03 AM
> To: Masum Hasan (masum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); Iyer, Sundar = K
> Subject: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG
> mtg during IETF-80
>
> Masum, Sundar, and Monique,
>
> I hope all of you will be coming to Prague (IETF-80).
>
> As you know we have requested for time slots for presenting = DCOPS-focused
> drafts during OPSAWG.
>
> I am requesting you to send an email to Scott and Chris with CC: to = Ron and
> me expressing your interest to present these drafts during OPSAWG = mtg
> during
> IETF-80. *PLS include the text below showing draft name, abstract, = URL,
> time, presenter) in your email.
> *
> Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu>,
> Chris Liljenstolpe <ietf@cdl.asgaard.org>,
> Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
>
> They can consider to allocate 10 min or so for each of these = drafts. We
> have
> already requested for time for eight drafts including your ones and = they
> would be very happy to see the request from you (authors) as = well.
> We'll discuss this further during our call on Friday-18-March-2011 = (10 AM
> ET).
>
> Thank you very much.
> Best.
>
>
>
> = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------------------------------------------
> Draft Name:  Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class = Cloud (
>
> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app= /trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt > )
>
> Author/presenter: Masum Hasan
> Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
> Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud = abstraction
> called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless = extension
> of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. = We also
> introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for = on-demand
> manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud.
>
>
>
>  Draft Name:  Protocol Considerations for Workload = Mobility in Clouds (
>
> h= ttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%2= 0Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt
> )
>
> Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan
> Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
> Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, = OS,
> compute,
> storage and policy (workloads) within and between service = provider,
> enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is = driven by
> consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace = savings.
> Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that = exploit more
> favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of = workloads
> closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, = the
> reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at = fewer
> sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of = the
> solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the = need to
> preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, = or
> otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework = for
> considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, = rationale
> for
> migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating = these
> workloads that consider these factors.
>
>
>
>  = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------
> Best Regards.
>
> Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com)
> http://www.linkedin.= com/in/bhumipkhasnabish
>
>


--
Best Regards.

Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com)
http://www.linkedin.= com/in/bhumipkhasnabish

=A9 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save the = content
of this email if you are not the intended recipient of the = communiqu=E9.

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Bradner" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2011 10:58:21.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E300440:01CBEADB] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 03:58:13 -0700 Cc: "Masum Hasan \(masum\)" , Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:57:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEADB.8DA31949 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott Drafts were submitted : 1 = .http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rf= c-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt 2. = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%= 20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt Best -m -----Original Message----- From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu] Sent: Fri 3/25/2011 3:47 AM To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org; vumip1@gmail.com Cc: ietf@cdl.asgaard.org; Masum Hasan (masum); rbonica@juniper.net; = sob@harvard.edu; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 =20 this does not look like the docukemt was submitted as an Internet Draft is that correct? Scott ---- >From mmorrow@cisco.com Fri Mar 25 06:10:35 2011 X-Original-To: sob@newdev.harvard.edu Delivered-To: sob@newdev.harvard.edu DKIM-Signature: v=3D1; a=3Drsa-sha256; c=3Drelaxed/simple; d=3Dcisco.com; i=3Dmmorrow@cisco.com; l=3D11936; q=3Ddns/txt; s=3Diport; t=3D1301047834; x=3D1302257434; h=3Dmime-version:subject:date:message-id:references:from:to: cc; bh=3DA/Rt/tK3DXBpZfcm+NJudtbbEnLukYbmwhkAOaNeLns=3D; b=3DZjKV0Z0BApQD9h1TNJNHwWyzSoPGiOxSR3G+heLUxRh53e/W6Q2fnAWD pDAoNhaGFlqrNInpHX78LVWtLFoM1zoSlKiZFlibJQzwllFq914I5TTy/ R0zISOSkALK3dwyDgdc/iKPuUNUL9WHP1IF6rYIO0vYAwopaRVIgH+2p5 4=3D; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: = ApAEAF9pjE2Q/khLgWdsb2JhbACeXIZ2FAEBFiYliE2eapxSgxaCUwSQT4Mk X-IronPort-AV: E=3DSophos;i=3D"4.63,242,1299456000";=20 d=3D"scan'208,217";a=3D"80791565" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=3D"----_=3D_NextPart_001_01CBEAD4.E031615A" Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:08:28 +0100 X-MS-Has-Attach:=20 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:=20 Thread-Topic: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 Thread-Index: AcvlLCr92eptUlh+TKq7VUxFXW9fGgFqGtmW References: = <317616CE= 96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CB10@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> = From: "Monique Morrow (mmorrow)" To: "Bhumip Khasnabish" , Cc: "Masum Hasan (masum)" , "Iyer, Sundar K" , = , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2011 10:10:33.0448 (UTC) = FILETIME=3D[E0BA8E80:01CBEAD4] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CBEAD4.E031615A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok - looks like you have already Cc's opsawg as per below I am additionally copying Scott, Chris and Ron [Authors are copied] Monique -----Original Message----- From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com] Sent: Thu 3/17/2011 10:20 PM To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org Cc: Masum Hasan (masum); Iyer, Sundar K Subject: Re: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = =3D OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 =3D20 Thanks Monique. PLS cc: the time slot request to opsawg@ietf.org as well. Best. Bhumip On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Monique Morrow (mmorrow) =3D wrote: > > Dear Bhumip > > I will be presenting on behalf of our team[ Cisco-Telstra] > > Best regards > > Monique > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com ] > Sent: Wed 3/16/2011 6:03 AM > To: Masum Hasan (masum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); Iyer, Sundar K > Subject: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in =3D OPSAWG > mtg during IETF-80 > > Masum, Sundar, and Monique, > > I hope all of you will be coming to Prague (IETF-80). > > As you know we have requested for time slots for presenting =3D DCOPS-focused > drafts during OPSAWG. > > I am requesting you to send an email to Scott and Chris with CC: to = =3D Ron and > me expressing your interest to present these drafts during OPSAWG mtg > during > IETF-80. *PLS include the text below showing draft name, abstract, =3D URL, > time, presenter) in your email. > * > Scott Bradner , > Chris Liljenstolpe , > Ronald Bonica > > They can consider to allocate 10 min or so for each of these drafts. = =3D We > have > already requested for time for eight drafts including your ones and = =3D they > would be very happy to see the request from you (authors) as well. > We'll discuss this further during our call on Friday-18-March-2011 (10 = =3D AM > ET). > > Thank you very much. > Best. > > > > =3D -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D ------------------------------------------------------------- > Draft Name: Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud ( > > =3D http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc= =3D -seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt > ) > > Author/presenter: Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud =3D abstraction > called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless =3D extension > of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We = =3D also > introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for =3D on-demand > manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud. > > > > Draft Name: Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds = =3D ( > > =3D http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%= =3D 20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt > ) > > Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, OS, > compute, > storage and policy (workloads) within and between service provider, > enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is driven = =3D by > consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace =3D savings. > Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that exploit = =3D more > favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of =3D workloads > closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, the > reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at =3D fewer > sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the > solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the need = =3D to > preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, or > otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework for > considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, =3D rationale > for > migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating these > workloads that consider these factors. > > > > =3D -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D ------------- > Best Regards. > > Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com) > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhumipkhasnabish > > --=3D20 Best Regards. Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com) http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhumipkhasnabish =3DA9 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save the = =3D content of this email if you are not the intended recipient of the = communiqu=3DE9. ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01CBEAD4.E031615A Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in =3D OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

Ok - looks like you have already Cc's opsawg as per = =3D below

I am additionally copying Scott, Chris and Ron

[Authors are copied]

Monique


-----Original Message-----
From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com]
Sent: Thu 3/17/2011 10:20 PM
To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org
Cc: Masum Hasan (masum); Iyer, Sundar K
Subject: Re: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = =3D OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

Thanks Monique.

PLS cc: the time slot request to opsawg@ietf.org as well.
Best.
Bhumip



On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Monique Morrow (mmorrow) =3D <mmorrow@cisco.com
> wrote:

>
> Dear Bhumip
>
> I will be presenting on behalf of our team[ Cisco-Telstra]
>
> Best regards
>
> Monique
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com =3D <vumip1@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Wed 3/16/2011 6:03 AM
> To: Masum Hasan (masum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); Iyer, Sundar =3D K
> Subject: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = =3D OPSAWG
> mtg during IETF-80
>
> Masum, Sundar, and Monique,
>
> I hope all of you will be coming to Prague (IETF-80).
>
> As you know we have requested for time slots for presenting =3D DCOPS-focused
> drafts during OPSAWG.
>
> I am requesting you to send an email to Scott and Chris with CC: to = =3D Ron and
> me expressing your interest to present these drafts during OPSAWG = =3D mtg
> during
> IETF-80. *PLS include the text below showing draft name, abstract, = =3D URL,
> time, presenter) in your email.
> *
> Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu>,
> Chris Liljenstolpe <ietf@cdl.asgaard.org>,
> Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
>
> They can consider to allocate 10 min or so for each of these =3D drafts. We
> have
> already requested for time for eight drafts including your ones and = =3D they
> would be very happy to see the request from you (authors) as =3D well.
> We'll discuss this further during our call on Friday-18-March-2011 = =3D (10 AM
> ET).
>
> Thank you very much.
> Best.
>
>
>
> =3D -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D -------------------------------------------------------------
> Draft Name:  Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class = =3D Cloud (
>
> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app= =3D /trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt > )
>
> Author/presenter: Masum Hasan
> Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
> Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud =3D abstraction
> called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless = =3D extension
> of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. = =3D We also
> introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for =3D on-demand
> manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud.
>
>
>
>  Draft Name:  Protocol Considerations for Workload =3D Mobility in Clouds (
>
> h= =3D ttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%2= =3D 0Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt
> )
>
> Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan
> Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
> Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, =3D OS,
> compute,
> storage and policy (workloads) within and between service =3D provider,
> enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is =3D driven by
> consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace = =3D savings.
> Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that =3D exploit more
> favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of =3D workloads
> closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, = =3D the
> reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at = =3D fewer
> sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of = =3D the
> solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the = =3D need to
> preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, = =3D or
> otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework = =3D for
> considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, =3D rationale
> for
> migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating =3D these
> workloads that consider these factors.
>
>
>
>  =3D -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D -------------
> Best Regards.
>
> Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com)
> http://www.linkedi= n.=3D com/in/bhumipkhasnabish
>
>


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Best Regards.

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Scott

Drafts were submitted :

1 .http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app= /trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt
2. h= ttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%2= 0Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt

Best -m

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]
Sent: Fri 3/25/2011 3:47 AM
To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org; vumip1@gmail.com
Cc: ietf@cdl.asgaard.org; Masum Hasan (masum); rbonica@juniper.net; = sob@harvard.edu; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com
Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

this does not look like the docukemt was submitted as an Internet = Draft

is that correct?

Scott

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Ok - looks like you have already Cc's opsawg as per below

I am additionally copying Scott, Chris and Ron

[Authors are copied]

Monique


-----Original Message-----
From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com]
Sent: Thu 3/17/2011 10:20 PM
To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org
Cc: Masum Hasan (masum); Iyer, Sundar K
Subject: Re: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = =3D
OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80
=3D20
Thanks Monique.

PLS cc: the time slot request to opsawg@ietf.org as well.
Best.
Bhumip



On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Monique Morrow (mmorrow) =3D
<mmorrow@cisco.com
> wrote:

>
> Dear Bhumip
>
> I will be presenting on behalf of our team[ Cisco-Telstra]
>
> Best regards
>
> Monique
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com = <vumip1@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Wed 3/16/2011 6:03 AM
> To: Masum Hasan (masum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); Iyer, Sundar = K
> Subject: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = =3D
OPSAWG
> mtg during IETF-80
>
> Masum, Sundar, and Monique,
>
> I hope all of you will be coming to Prague (IETF-80).
>
> As you know we have requested for time slots for presenting =3D
DCOPS-focused
> drafts during OPSAWG.
>
> I am requesting you to send an email to Scott and Chris with CC: to = =3D
Ron and
> me expressing your interest to present these drafts during OPSAWG = mtg
> during
> IETF-80. *PLS include the text below showing draft name, abstract, = =3D
URL,
> time, presenter) in your email.
> *
> Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu>,
> Chris Liljenstolpe <ietf@cdl.asgaard.org>,
> Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
>
> They can consider to allocate 10 min or so for each of these = drafts. =3D
We
> have
> already requested for time for eight drafts including your ones and = =3D
they
> would be very happy to see the request from you (authors) as = well.
> We'll discuss this further during our call on Friday-18-March-2011 = (10 =3D
AM
> ET).
>
> Thank you very much.
> Best.
>
>
>
> =3D
-------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D
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> Draft Name:  Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class = Cloud (
>
> =3D
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clo= uds/draft-rfc=3D
-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt
> )
>
> Author/presenter: Masum Hasan
> Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
> Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud = =3D
abstraction
> called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless = =3D
extension
> of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. = We =3D
also
> introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for = =3D
on-demand
> manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud.
>
>
>
>  Draft Name:  Protocol Considerations for Workload = Mobility in Clouds =3D
(
>
> =3D
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clo= uds/Protocol%=3D
20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt
> )
>
> Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan
> Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
> Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, = OS,
> compute,
> storage and policy (workloads) within and between service = provider,
> enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is = driven =3D
by
> consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace = =3D
savings.
> Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that = exploit =3D
more
> favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of = =3D
workloads
> closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, = the
> reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at = =3D
fewer
> sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of = the
> solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the = need =3D
to
> preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, = or
> otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework = for
> considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, = =3D
rationale
> for
> migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating = these
> workloads that consider these factors.
>
>
>
>  =3D
-------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D
-------------
> Best Regards.
>
> Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com)
> http://www.linkedin.= com/in/bhumipkhasnabish
>
>


--=3D20
Best Regards.

Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, vumip1@gmail.com)
http://www.linkedin.= com/in/bhumipkhasnabish

=3DA9 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save the = =3D
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Ok - looks like you have already Cc's = opsawg as per =3D
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I am additionally copying Scott, Chris and Ron<BR>
<BR>
[Authors are copied]<BR>
<BR>
Monique<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Bhumip Khasnabish [<A =3D
HREF=3D3D"mailto:vumip1@gmail.com">mailto:vumip1@gmail.com</A>]&l= t;BR>
Sent: Thu 3/17/2011 10:20 PM<BR>
To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org<BR>
Cc: Masum Hasan (masum); Iyer, Sundar K<BR>
Subject: Re: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = =3D
OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80<BR>
<BR>
Thanks Monique.<BR>
<BR>
PLS cc: the time slot request to opsawg@ietf.org as well.<BR>
Best.<BR>
Bhumip<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Monique Morrow (mmorrow) =3D
&lt;mmorrow@cisco.com<BR>
&gt; wrote:<BR>
<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Dear Bhumip<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; I will be presenting on behalf of our team[ = Cisco-Telstra]<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Best regards<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Monique<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<BR>
&gt; From: Bhumip Khasnabish [<A =3D
HREF=3D3D"mailto:vumip1@gmail.com">mailto:vumip1@gmail.com</A> = =3D
&lt;vumip1@gmail.com&gt;]<BR>
&gt; Sent: Wed 3/16/2011 6:03 AM<BR>
&gt; To: Masum Hasan (masum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); Iyer, Sundar = =3D
K<BR>
&gt; Subject: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts = in =3D
OPSAWG<BR>
&gt; mtg during IETF-80<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Masum, Sundar, and Monique,<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; I hope all of you will be coming to Prague = (IETF-80).<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; As you know we have requested for time slots for presenting = =3D
DCOPS-focused<BR>
&gt; drafts during OPSAWG.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; I am requesting you to send an email to Scott and Chris with = CC: to =3D
Ron and<BR>
&gt; me expressing your interest to present these drafts during = OPSAWG =3D
mtg<BR>
&gt; during<BR>
&gt; IETF-80. *PLS include the text below showing draft name, = abstract, =3D
URL,<BR>
&gt; time, presenter) in your email.<BR>
&gt; *<BR>
&gt; Scott Bradner &lt;sob@harvard.edu&gt;,<BR>
&gt; Chris Liljenstolpe = &lt;ietf@cdl.asgaard.org&gt;,<BR>
&gt; Ronald Bonica &lt;rbonica@juniper.net&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; They can consider to allocate 10 min or so for each of these = =3D
drafts. We<BR>
&gt; have<BR>
&gt; already requested for time for eight drafts including your ones = and =3D
they<BR>
&gt; would be very happy to see the request from you (authors) as = =3D
well.<BR>
&gt; We'll discuss this further during our call on = Friday-18-March-2011 =3D
(10 AM<BR>
&gt; ET).<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Thank you very much.<BR>
&gt; Best.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; =3D
-------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D
-------------------------------------------------------------<BR> &gt; Draft Name:&nbsp; Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP = Class =3D
Cloud (<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; <A =3D
HREF=3D3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/d=3D=
raft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt">http://trac.tools.ietf.or= g/area/app=3D
/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt</A&= gt;<BR=3D
>
&gt; )<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Author/presenter: Masum Hasan<BR>
&gt; Amount of time requested: 10 minutes<BR>
&gt; Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud = =3D
abstraction<BR>
&gt; called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and = seamless =3D
extension<BR>
&gt; of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade = Cloud. =3D
We also<BR>
&gt; introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for = =3D
on-demand<BR>
&gt; manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless = Cloud.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;&nbsp; Draft Name:&nbsp; Protocol Considerations for = Workload =3D
Mobility in Clouds (<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; <A =3D
HREF=3D3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/P=3D=
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&gt; )<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan<BR>
&gt; Amount of time requested: 10 minutes<BR>
&gt; Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, = =3D
OS,<BR>
&gt; compute,<BR>
&gt; storage and policy (workloads) within and between service = =3D
provider,<BR>
&gt; enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is = =3D
driven by<BR>
&gt; consolidation scenarios for power, administration and = floorspace =3D
savings.<BR>
&gt; Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that = =3D
exploit more<BR>
&gt; favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of = =3D
workloads<BR>
&gt; closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce = latency, =3D
the<BR>
&gt; reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation = at =3D
fewer<BR>
&gt; sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity = of =3D
the<BR>
&gt; solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, = the =3D
need to<BR>
&gt; preserve policy and service-level information, and the = existence, =3D
or<BR>
&gt; otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a = framework =3D
for<BR>
&gt; considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, = =3D
rationale<BR>
&gt; for<BR>
&gt; migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating = =3D
these<BR>
&gt; workloads that consider these factors.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;&nbsp; =3D
-------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D
-------------<BR>
&gt; Best Regards.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, = vumip1@gmail.com)<BR>
&gt; <A =3D
HREF=3D3D"http://www.linkedin.= com/in/bhumipkhasnabish">http://www.linkedin.=3D
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&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
--<BR>
Best Regards.<BR>
<BR>
Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, = vumip1@gmail.com)<BR>
<A =3D
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<BR>
=3DA9 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save the = =3D
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------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEADB.8DA31949-- From sob@harvard.edu Fri Mar 25 04:03:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1395628C165 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.129, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yOsXc46-AmY4 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5524E28C162 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6FFEC9F01F1; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 07:04:43 -0400 (EDT) To: mmorrow@cisco.com, opsawg@ietf.org, sob@harvard.edu, vumip1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CD09@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> Message-Id: <20110325110443.6FFEC9F01F1@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 07:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Cc: masum@cisco.com, Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:03:09 -0000 humm - that looks like postings on a wiki not submission as Internet Drafts and I do not find them in the Internet Drafts directory also they are not legit Internet Drafts names my normal rule is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not published as an Internet Draft ADs - is this a new replacement for IDs that I've not heard about? Scott From dromasca@avaya.com Fri Mar 25 04:17:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D365628C160 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:17:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.087 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.087 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.512, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5nPfyjJYLDHA for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ADD3A6875 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:17:36 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvYAAFMtcU3GmAcF/2dsb2JhbACYKo47dKR5ApkWhWEEkAyDAIVA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,242,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="238486024" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 25 Mar 2011 07:19:10 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,242,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="600504534" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 25 Mar 2011 07:19:08 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:19:03 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20110325110443.6FFEC9F01F1@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 Thread-Index: Acvq3HPpVLs49ge3QLKX2+BsEuWMGgAALjbA References: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CD09@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> <20110325110443.6FFEC9F01F1@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Scott O. Bradner" , , , Cc: masum@cisco.com, Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:17:37 -0000 Hi Scott and all,=20 The rule that we had been following is that Internet-Drafts need to be submitted and accessible in the I-D directory before the submission deadline, so that they are available for interested attendees to access them from a well-known place and prepare for the meeting. Of course exceptions can be admitted sometimes, but they need to be exceptions. My advice is to give priority to the items in the agenda that are backed by Internet-Drafts properly submitted with the deadlines. If there is time left at the end of the OPSAWG + OPSAREA meeting we can let room for other items, as the OPSAREA agenda ends anyway with a open microphone time slot.=20 I would also recommend that each presenter focuses on explaining why the respective document and work item is relevant for the scope of the OPSAWG. We should assume that people have read the documents and that we can focus on the discussion how relevant they are for the area and for the WG (this is why we need the documents available in advance).=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]=20 > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:05 PM > To: mmorrow@cisco.com; opsawg@ietf.org; sob@harvard.edu;=20 > vumip1@gmail.com > Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ietf@cdl.asgaard.org;=20 > masum@cisco.com; rbonica@juniper.net; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com > Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your=20 > drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 >=20 > humm - that looks like postings on a wiki not submission as=20 > Internet Drafts and I do not find them in the Internet Drafts=20 > directory >=20 > also they are not legit Internet Drafts names >=20 > my normal rule is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not=20 > published as an Internet Draft >=20 > ADs - is this a new replacement for IDs that I've not heard about? >=20 > Scott >=20 >=20 From sob@harvard.edu Fri Mar 25 08:11:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDE73A698B for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.125, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mV+oqwBnCxOW for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808813A68E3 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5A6359F1292; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:12:43 -0400 (EDT) To: opsawg@ietf.org Message-Id: <20110325151243.5A6359F1292@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:12:43 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Subject: [OPSAWG] slides for Prague X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:11:12 -0000 opsawg presenters - please send me your slides before noon US EDT tomorrow tnx From mmorrow@cisco.com Fri Mar 25 05:45:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7414F3A688B for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 05:45:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.514 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.514 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I4A-cPFWrWqH for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 05:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077963A6847 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 05:45:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=mmorrow@cisco.com; l=2692; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1301057207; x=1302266807; h=mime-version:subject:date:message-id:references:from:to: cc; bh=7PnvSa1MSeCJDXwUUtW6tZbxjZcAOGwt4ua9TipZ2S8=; b=QOyduXdjdNN8zk0jJvvuB/wT4CY3nyKSveKi6fCb24vKB38Agibp06iX ffDS0gHvj4wf47nR5K0MS5GNlizrQsNKInnnEgwda6DG34a339lzG+c+a bAVpg+2LwGppa21yEylGTF2alTFvUbjFES7/0F7pRcx3ZbiWJudpMUUxa Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosEAK2NjE2Q/khNgWdsb2JhbAClVBQBARYmJacpnFyFaQSQT4MkhVY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,242,1299456000"; d="scan'208,217";a="80816988" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Mar 2011 12:46:46 +0000 Received: from xbh-ams-101.cisco.com (xbh-ams-101.cisco.com [144.254.74.71]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2PCkkZP010062; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:46:46 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-110.cisco.com ([144.254.74.85]) by xbh-ams-101.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:46:47 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAEA.B34AE099" Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:46:18 +0100 Message-ID: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CD0E@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 Thread-Index: Acvq3H/PNtgO9JAPQW+wPgfMa04vHgADiLoR References: <20110325110443.6FFEC9F01F1@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> From: "Monique Morrow (mmorrow)" To: "Scott O. Bradner" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2011 12:46:47.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3EE8030:01CBEAEA] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:58:23 -0700 Cc: "Masum Hasan \(masum\)" , Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:45:13 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAEA.B34AE099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now that's interesting --=20 Will check from this end Best -m -----Original Message----- From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu] Sent: Fri 3/25/2011 4:04 AM To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org; sob@harvard.edu; = vumip1@gmail.com Cc: dromasca@avaya.com; ietf@cdl.asgaard.org; Masum Hasan (masum); = rbonica@juniper.net; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 =20 humm - that looks like postings on a wiki not submission as Internet = Drafts and I do not find them in the Internet Drafts directory also they are not legit Internet Drafts names my normal rule is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not published as an Internet Draft ADs - is this a new replacement for IDs that I've not heard about? Scott ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAEA.B34AE099 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

Now that's interesting --

Will check from this end


Best -m


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]
Sent: Fri 3/25/2011 4:04 AM
To: Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org; sob@harvard.edu; = vumip1@gmail.com
Cc: dromasca@avaya.com; ietf@cdl.asgaard.org; Masum Hasan (masum); = rbonica@juniper.net; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com
Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

humm - that looks like postings on a wiki not submission as Internet = Drafts
and I do not find them in the Internet Drafts directory

also they are not legit Internet Drafts names

my normal rule is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not
published as an Internet Draft

ADs - is this a new replacement for IDs that I've not heard about?

Scott

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Bradner" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2011 12:53:02.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[9377D7B0:01CBEAEB] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:58:23 -0700 Cc: "Masum Hasan \(masum\)" , Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:51:31 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAEB.93101046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan and all Appreciate the guidance here: Time permitting - will take whatever time we get. Will assure that the drafts are properly submitted for IETF-81 [if = relevant] Best-m -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Fri 3/25/2011 4:19 AM To: Scott O. Bradner; Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org; = vumip1@gmail.com Cc: ietf@cdl.asgaard.org; Masum Hasan (masum); rbonica@juniper.net; = Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 =20 Hi Scott and all,=20 The rule that we had been following is that Internet-Drafts need to be submitted and accessible in the I-D directory before the submission deadline, so that they are available for interested attendees to access them from a well-known place and prepare for the meeting. Of course exceptions can be admitted sometimes, but they need to be exceptions. My advice is to give priority to the items in the agenda that are backed by Internet-Drafts properly submitted with the deadlines. If there is time left at the end of the OPSAWG + OPSAREA meeting we can let room for other items, as the OPSAREA agenda ends anyway with a open microphone time slot.=20 I would also recommend that each presenter focuses on explaining why the respective document and work item is relevant for the scope of the OPSAWG. We should assume that people have read the documents and that we can focus on the discussion how relevant they are for the area and for the WG (this is why we need the documents available in advance).=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]=20 > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:05 PM > To: mmorrow@cisco.com; opsawg@ietf.org; sob@harvard.edu;=20 > vumip1@gmail.com > Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ietf@cdl.asgaard.org;=20 > masum@cisco.com; rbonica@juniper.net; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com > Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your=20 > drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 >=20 > humm - that looks like postings on a wiki not submission as=20 > Internet Drafts and I do not find them in the Internet Drafts=20 > directory >=20 > also they are not legit Internet Drafts names >=20 > my normal rule is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not=20 > published as an Internet Draft >=20 > ADs - is this a new replacement for IDs that I've not heard about? >=20 > Scott >=20 >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAEB.93101046 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

Dan and all

Appreciate the guidance here:

Time permitting - will take whatever time we get.

Will assure that the drafts are properly submitted for IETF-81 [if = relevant]

Best-m



-----Original Message-----
From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
Sent: Fri 3/25/2011 4:19 AM
To: Scott O. Bradner; Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org; = vumip1@gmail.com
Cc: ietf@cdl.asgaard.org; Masum Hasan (masum); rbonica@juniper.net; = Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com
Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80



Hi Scott and all,

The rule that we had been following is that Internet-Drafts need to = be
submitted and accessible in the I-D directory before the submission
deadline, so that they are available for interested attendees to = access
them from a well-known place and prepare for the meeting. Of course
exceptions can be admitted sometimes, but they need to be exceptions. = My
advice is to give priority to the items in the agenda that are backed = by
Internet-Drafts properly submitted with the deadlines. If there is = time
left at the end of the OPSAWG + OPSAREA meeting we can let room for
other items, as the OPSAREA agenda ends anyway with a open = microphone
time slot.

I would also recommend that each presenter focuses on explaining why = the
respective document and work item is relevant for the scope of the
OPSAWG. We should assume that people have read the documents and that = we
can focus on the discussion how relevant they are for the area and = for
the WG (this is why we need the documents available in advance).

Thanks and Regards,

Dan


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:05 PM
> To: mmorrow@cisco.com; opsawg@ietf.org; sob@harvard.edu;
> vumip1@gmail.com
> Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ietf@cdl.asgaard.org;
> masum@cisco.com; rbonica@juniper.net; = Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com
> Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your
> drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80
>
> humm - that looks like postings on a wiki not submission as
> Internet Drafts and I do not find them in the Internet Drafts
> directory
>
> also they are not legit Internet Drafts names
>
> my normal rule is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not
> published as an Internet Draft
>
> ADs - is this a new replacement for IDs that I've not heard = about?
>
> Scott
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------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEAEB.93101046-- From guyingjie@huawei.com Fri Mar 25 13:40:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2953A6863 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:40:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.536 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.536 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.959, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Gjy+2nYIBjX for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE7B3A6860 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIM0005AS5O35@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:41:48 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxeml205-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIM00GCUS5OIA@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:41:48 +0800 (CST) Received: from SZXEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.32) by szxeml205-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.57) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:41:42 +0800 Received: from SZXEML503-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.130]) by SZXEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.32]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:41:17 +0800 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:41:16 +0000 From: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" In-reply-to: <20110324095708.GA12420@elstar.local> X-Originating-IP: [172.24.2.40] To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-language: zh-CN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Thread-topic: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? Thread-index: AQHL6gn+ei3RGLrMiUexIR9frfCSxJQ+gozk X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: References: <20110324082735.GA12104@elstar.local> <006e01cbea07$66de5ab0$62298a0a@china.huawei.com> <20110324095708.GA12420@elstar.local> Cc: 'yingjie gu' , "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:40:25 -0000 Hi Juergen, See inline please. ____________ ____________________________ From:Juergen Schoenwaelder [j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] Time : 2011$BG/(B3$B7n(B24$BF|(B 17:57 To: Yingjie Gu(yingjie) Cc: 'Bert (IETF) Wijnen'; opsawg@ietf.org; 'yingjie gu' Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 05:39:41PM +0800, Yingjie Gu(yingjie) wrote: > I have been following and participating IEEE 802.1 Qbg. Qbg doesn't > define MIB, it defines protocol that works only between Hypervisor > (general name for Virtual Switch) and adjacent physical switch to > associate a VM to an adjacent switch. The following is VDP TLV, you > can find detail information at IEEE. So what about the MIB listed here? http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1bg.html [Yingjie] Sorry for the mistake. And terminology wise, I disagree with the notion that a Hypervisor is a general name for a Virtual Switch. [Yingjie] Well, not formally, but Hypervisor refers to VEPA/VEB/other kind of virtual switch type. > Let$B!G(Bs skip the VDP part for now. Assuming the adjacent switch already learned VM. Here are the parts that we look for to make a complete mechanism for policy and dynamic information migration: > > 1) When? For static polices, NM can start polices reconfiguration any time (operated by a human) or start at the same time as dynamic information migration (automatically, without human intervention), but should be finished not too later than VM restart at destination devices. For dynamic information, we need to know the exact time when VM-NOT-RUNNING. > > 2) Where? Network manager needs to know the source and destination devices. API from VM Manager can not provide such information. Both adjacent switch and upper layer devices, e.g aggregation switch, router and middleboxes, need to know the migration state if we want to migrate dynamic information. VDP can not achieve this. > > 3) How? NETCONF and other existing NMP can work for policy reconfiguration, as long as the above two parts can be resolved pretty well. > > For dynamic information, we need a new mechanism (including architecture and protocols), I don$B!G(Bt think NETCONF covers this. Sounds too abstract too me. You are already sure you need new architecture and protocols while I am still not sure what the problem to be solved is. It sounds like you want communication between the VM management system and the network management system. If so, to have a chance of success in terms of implementation of deployment, you would have to have organizations building VM management system and network management systems excited about the idea. [Yingjie] Not communication between VM manager and network manager. This is only a way of migration notification, and I said that is not a standadized way, and even there is a need for standard, it's not IETF SCOPE I guess. > If you can review my draft, I list some examples in my drafts. > > Examples are TCP connection table, Multicast membership on ports, DHCP Snooping, cumulative data, etc. > I already choked up on the TCP connection table. What I call the TCP connection table sits in the kernel of the OS being migrated, so I fail to see what needs to be done there. I had the impression you were thinking more about connection state maintained by middleboxes, but your document just did not make this clear enough to me. [Yingjie] TCP connection table on OS needn't to be done, you are right. I am talking the TCP connection table on Middlebox, and it's only an example. Maybe there is another way to name it. I will try to make it clearer. Thank you for your comments. [end] /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From ning.so@verizonbusiness.com Fri Mar 25 21:45:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF5A3A68DC for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=x tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iFJHsqN7mnIf for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ashesmtp01.verizonbusiness.com (ashesmtp01.verizonbusiness.com [198.4.8.163]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCC23A68CD for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pdcismtp01.vzbi.com ([unknown] [166.40.77.67]) by firewall.verizonbusiness.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LIN00JPNEMO3940@firewall.verizonbusiness.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:47:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pdcismtp01.vzbi.com ([unknown] [127.0.0.1]) by pdcismtp01.vzbi.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LIN00A34EMN4300@pdcismtp01.vzbi.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:47:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ASHSRV141.mcilink.com ([unknown] [153.39.68.167]) by pdcismtp01.vzbi.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LIN00ABTEMN1500@pdcismtp01.vzbi.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:47:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ASHEVS008.mcilink.com ([153.39.69.129]) by ASHSRV141.mcilink.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:47:10 +0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBEB70.DDE8BCCD" Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:47:03 +0000 Message-id: <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006F67289@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> In-reply-to: <20110325151243.5A6359F1292@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-topic: [OPSAWG] slides for Prague Thread-index: AcvrA1ZCp2v8BkBsT3iCRPnvLYo3fgAbSvfQ References: <20110325151243.5A6359F1292@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> From: "So, Ning" To: "Scott O. Bradner" , opsawg@ietf.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2011 04:47:10.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE4DB450:01CBEB70] Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] slides for Prague X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:45:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEB70.DDE8BCCD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, Attached is my slides. Although there are three pages in it, you can take out the title page if needed, or I can do so and resend per your instruction. =20 =20 Best regards, =20 Ning So Network Evolution Planning Verizon, Inc. (office) 972-729-7905 (Cell) 972-955-0914 =20 -----Original Message----- From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Scott O. 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with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:59:21 +0800 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 05:59:20 +0000 From: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" X-Originating-IP: [172.24.2.41] To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uDueWYX9ybn1X4/968vLFA)" Content-language: zh-CN Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Thread-topic: Re:[OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? Thread-index: AQHL63oqYZ9aKUtJT0GcsvSt1CVjeg== X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Cc: 'yingjie gu' , "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 05:58:22 -0000 --Boundary_(ID_uDueWYX9ybn1X4/968vLFA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Juergen and all, I briefly conclude problem statement of virtualization Data Center management and the proposal I would suggest. Hope this can help to make the problem and proposal clearer. Problem statement: The problem I would discuss is not the whole part of DC management, it's only the part related to VM Migration. Typically 'Server power-off and power-on again' is beyond scope, I focus on the VM hot migration without running service being significantly interrupted. Also, I focus on network adaption to VM migtation, don't touch OS and memory migration on server side. Two network side information need to migrate with VM: Dynamic Information and static policies. Among them I believe the former is much more significant. This doesn't mean the latter is less important, and they could be resolved by the same mechanism. Dynamic Information refers to the non-configurable states that is generated during service running, examples are TCP connection table (or say TCP connection state) on middleboxes, dynamic ACL on switches/Firewall, DHCP snooping table item on switches, IGMP snooping table(or say Multicast Membership) on network devices' ports, cumulative data on switches/routers/middleboxes, statistical data on switches/routers/middleboxes, etc. Without Dynamic Information being migrated accurately, services would be disrupted. KEY COMPONENTS for a valid mechanism to this problem include: WHEN: VM migration may take minutes even longer, during which Dynamic Information could keep changing, e.g. new TCP connection is established, or sequence number increased. When we look into VM migration process in attached picture, there is a time called 'VM-not-running', this is the best period to migrate Dynamic Information. A valid mechanism should include efficient way to learn the particular time. WHERE: To learn two ends of the migration,i.e. source and destination network devices. No matter using a centralized way or distributed way(directly communication between two ends), a valid mechanism should include the way to learn the two ends. Currently, I don't propose any specific mechanism, this is only a general discussion. HOW: Existing NM doesn't cover information migration from one element to another. What's more, the Dynamic Information migration is not definitely one-to-one. Since network architecture could be asymmetrical, so that could also be multiple-to-one and one-to-multiple. Conclusion and Proposal: Currently, I haven't found an existing and valid mechanism, with good interoperability among different KEY COMPONENTS and different parts of a possible mechanism, to resolve the problem. So I would suggest to define a new mechanism, including architecture and protocols, to handle this. It's really good to have discussion on this topic. Any questions and suggestions are highly appreciated. Best Regards Yingjie ________________________________________ Send From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On behalf of Yingjie Gu(yingjie) [guyingjie@huawei.com] 2011$BG/(B3$B7n(B26$BF|(B 4:41 To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Cc: 'yingjie gu'; opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? Hi Juergen, See inline please. ____________ ____________________________ From:Juergen Schoenwaelder [j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] Time : 2011$BG/(B3$B7n(B24$BF|(B 17:57 To: Yingjie Gu(yingjie) Cc: 'Bert (IETF) Wijnen'; opsawg@ietf.org; 'yingjie gu' Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] discussion on network automatic adaption to VM migration? On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 05:39:41PM +0800, Yingjie Gu(yingjie) wrote: > I have been following and participating IEEE 802.1 Qbg. Qbg doesn't > define MIB, it defines protocol that works only between Hypervisor > (general name for Virtual Switch) and adjacent physical switch to > associate a VM to an adjacent switch. The following is VDP TLV, you > can find detail information at IEEE. So what about the MIB listed here? http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1bg.html [Yingjie] Sorry for the mistake. And terminology wise, I disagree with the notion that a Hypervisor is a general name for a Virtual Switch. [Yingjie] Well, not formally, but Hypervisor refers to VEPA/VEB/other kind of virtual switch type. > Let$B!G(Bs skip the VDP part for now. Assuming the adjacent switch already learned VM. Here are the parts that we look for to make a complete mechanism for policy and dynamic information migration: > > 1) When? For static polices, NM can start polices reconfiguration any time (operated by a human) or start at the same time as dynamic information migration (automatically, without human intervention), but should be finished not too later than VM restart at destination devices. For dynamic information, we need to know the exact time when VM-NOT-RUNNING. > > 2) Where? Network manager needs to know the source and destination devices. API from VM Manager can not provide such information. Both adjacent switch and upper layer devices, e.g aggregation switch, router and middleboxes, need to know the migration state if we want to migrate dynamic information. VDP can not achieve this. > > 3) How? NETCONF and other existing NMP can work for policy reconfiguration, as long as the above two parts can be resolved pretty well. > > For dynamic information, we need a new mechanism (including architecture and protocols), I don$B!G(Bt think NETCONF covers this. Sounds too abstract too me. You are already sure you need new architecture and protocols while I am still not sure what the problem to be solved is. It sounds like you want communication between the VM management system and the network management system. If so, to have a chance of success in terms of implementation of deployment, you would have to have organizations building VM management system and network management systems excited about the idea. [Yingjie] Not communication between VM manager and network manager. This is only a way of migration notification, and I said that is not a standadized way, and even there is a need for standard, it's not IETF SCOPE I guess. > If you can review my draft, I list some examples in my drafts. > > Examples are TCP connection table, Multicast membership on ports, DHCP Snooping, cumulative data, etc. > I already choked up on the TCP connection table. What I call the TCP connection table sits in the kernel of the OS being migrated, so I fail to see what needs to be done there. I had the impression you were thinking more about connection state maintained by middleboxes, but your document just did not make this clear enough to me. [Yingjie] TCP connection table on OS needn't to be done, you are right. I am talking the TCP connection table on Middlebox, and it's only an example. Maybe there is another way to name it. I will try to make it clearer. Thank you for your comments. 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opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58293A67EB for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:53:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GBflxGK3cQ5O for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7013A67DB for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29531D8F16; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:55:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8zQQzfo-zDw8; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 51A371D8EFC; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-710-797149200" From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:54:56 +1100 Message-Id: References: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CD09@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> <20110325110443.6FFEC9F01F1@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:54:49 -0700 Cc: masum@cisco.com, Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com, mmorrow@cisco.com, opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:53:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-710-797149200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-709-797149168 --Apple-Mail-709-797149168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I would support this interpretation. If there is time, let it in, if = not... Chris On 25Mar2011, at 22.19, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi Scott and all,=20 >=20 > The rule that we had been following is that Internet-Drafts need to be > submitted and accessible in the I-D directory before the submission > deadline, so that they are available for interested attendees to = access > them from a well-known place and prepare for the meeting. Of course > exceptions can be admitted sometimes, but they need to be exceptions. = My > advice is to give priority to the items in the agenda that are backed = by > Internet-Drafts properly submitted with the deadlines. If there is = time > left at the end of the OPSAWG + OPSAREA meeting we can let room for > other items, as the OPSAREA agenda ends anyway with a open microphone > time slot.=20 >=20 > I would also recommend that each presenter focuses on explaining why = the > respective document and work item is relevant for the scope of the > OPSAWG. We should assume that people have read the documents and that = we > can focus on the discussion how relevant they are for the area and for > the WG (this is why we need the documents available in advance).=20 >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan=20 >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]=20 >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:05 PM >> To: mmorrow@cisco.com; opsawg@ietf.org; sob@harvard.edu;=20 >> vumip1@gmail.com >> Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ietf@cdl.asgaard.org;=20 >> masum@cisco.com; rbonica@juniper.net; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com >> Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your=20 >> drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 >>=20 >> humm - that looks like postings on a wiki not submission as=20 >> Internet Drafts and I do not find them in the Internet Drafts=20 >> directory >>=20 >> also they are not legit Internet Drafts names >>=20 >> my normal rule is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not=20 >> published as an Internet Draft >>=20 >> ADs - is this a new replacement for IDs that I've not heard about? >>=20 >> Scott >>=20 >>=20 --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-709-797149168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = would support this interpretation.  If there is time, let it in, if = not...

Chris

On = 25Mar2011, at 22.19, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:



Hi Scott and all,

The rule that we = had been following is that Internet-Drafts need to be
submitted and = accessible in the I-D directory before the submission
deadline, so = that they are available for interested attendees to access
them from = a well-known place and prepare for the meeting. Of course
exceptions = can be admitted sometimes, but they need to be exceptions. My
advice = is to give priority to the items in the agenda that are backed = by
Internet-Drafts properly submitted with the deadlines. If there is = time
left at the end of the OPSAWG + OPSAREA meeting we can let room = for
other items, as the OPSAREA agenda ends anyway with a open = microphone
time slot.

I would also recommend that each = presenter focuses on explaining why the
respective document and work = item is relevant for the scope of the
OPSAWG. We should assume that = people have read the documents and that we
can focus on the = discussion how relevant they are for the area and for
the WG (this is = why we need the documents available in advance).

Thanks and = Regards,

Dan


-----Original = Message-----
From: Scott O. = Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:05 = PM
To: mmorrow@cisco.com; opsawg@ietf.org; sob@harvard.edu; =
vumip1@gmail.com
Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ietf@cdl.asgaard.org; =
masum@cisco.com; rbonica@juniper.net; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com<= /a>
Subject: RE: PLS request = for time slots for presenting your
drafts in OPSAWG mtg during = IETF-80

humm - that = looks like postings on a wiki not submission as =
Internet Drafts and I do not = find them in the Internet Drafts
directory

also they are = not legit Internet Drafts names

my normal rule = is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not =
published as an Internet = Draft

ADs - is this a = new replacement for IDs that I've not heard = about?

Scott
= --Apple-Mail-709-797149168-- --Apple-Mail-710-797149200 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNjyWQAAoJEGmx2Mt/+Iw/qAgH/1eXovp6so70xJo8lZotARB8 Z/MH9mqACmt9zI1e3ACD0VdAnWwoT7nLEn9ABxM0DVl9NUPOCBuIJK5IFB/hsTfW tYycmWdd/IkZ8s3SPxGY96UEJ7/cP/yRaUzlMiCRDb4t5T4tJSo23oYKR527iche OzARrDshwtytCWjFZlnDqY9W7X1fOck6cG+HyhtshTd0zNKPop9EJmr5diaNcVdB CIo6caYtfcjEQJU5Dp4V/9KQtsUyiVLKb0/e/4oCQTisvm+857Jlt7hrcoO8v9LW iIwra9CmwYV9UDQ6cZseqP7D+3Tms3M+aRl7xkxwi9iS77MEuxMtqH1xpsQ3fI4= =Y7yu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-710-797149200-- From ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Sun Mar 27 04:54:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6613A67FF for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:54:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.424 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.424 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.174, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JfMuLfUkgxSC for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD953A67DB for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55881D8F65; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:56:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IaYxhtcTCv6y; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 649701D8F50; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-716-797242267" From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:56:29 +1100 Message-Id: <68D5A14C-743B-4E68-8589-C8E82437529B@cdl.asgaard.org> References: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CD09@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> <20110325110443.6FFEC9F01F1@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: masum@cisco.com, Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com, mmorrow@cisco.com, opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:54:58 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-716-797242267 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-715-797242236 --Apple-Mail-715-797242236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 25Mar2011, at 22.19, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi Scott and all,=20 >=20 > The rule that we had been following is that Internet-Drafts need to be > submitted and accessible in the I-D directory before the submission > deadline, so that they are available for interested attendees to = access > them from a well-known place and prepare for the meeting. Of course > exceptions can be admitted sometimes, but they need to be exceptions. = My > advice is to give priority to the items in the agenda that are backed = by > Internet-Drafts properly submitted with the deadlines. If there is = time > left at the end of the OPSAWG + OPSAREA meeting we can let room for > other items, as the OPSAREA agenda ends anyway with a open microphone > time slot.=20 >=20 > I would also recommend that each presenter focuses on explaining why = the > respective document and work item is relevant for the scope of the > OPSAWG. We should assume that people have read the documents and that = we > can focus on the discussion how relevant they are for the area and for > the WG (this is why we need the documents available in advance).=20 >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan=20 >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]=20 >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:05 PM >> To: mmorrow@cisco.com; opsawg@ietf.org; sob@harvard.edu;=20 >> vumip1@gmail.com >> Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ietf@cdl.asgaard.org;=20 >> masum@cisco.com; rbonica@juniper.net; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com >> Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your=20 >> drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 >>=20 >> humm - that looks like postings on a wiki not submission as=20 >> Internet Drafts and I do not find them in the Internet Drafts=20 >> directory >>=20 >> also they are not legit Internet Drafts names >>=20 >> my normal rule is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not=20 >> published as an Internet Draft >>=20 >> ADs - is this a new replacement for IDs that I've not heard about? >>=20 >> Scott >>=20 >>=20 --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-715-797242236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8


Hi Scott and all,

The rule that we = had been following is that Internet-Drafts need to be
submitted and = accessible in the I-D directory before the submission
deadline, so = that they are available for interested attendees to access
them from = a well-known place and prepare for the meeting. Of course
exceptions = can be admitted sometimes, but they need to be exceptions. My
advice = is to give priority to the items in the agenda that are backed = by
Internet-Drafts properly submitted with the deadlines. If there is = time
left at the end of the OPSAWG + OPSAREA meeting we can let room = for
other items, as the OPSAREA agenda ends anyway with a open = microphone
time slot.

I would also recommend that each = presenter focuses on explaining why the
respective document and work = item is relevant for the scope of the
OPSAWG. We should assume that = people have read the documents and that we
can focus on the = discussion how relevant they are for the area and for
the WG (this is = why we need the documents available in advance).

Thanks and = Regards,

Dan


-----Original = Message-----
From: Scott O. = Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:05 = PM
To: mmorrow@cisco.com; opsawg@ietf.org; sob@harvard.edu; =
vumip1@gmail.com
Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ietf@cdl.asgaard.org; =
masum@cisco.com; rbonica@juniper.net; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com<= /a>
Subject: RE: PLS request = for time slots for presenting your
drafts in OPSAWG mtg during = IETF-80

humm - that = looks like postings on a wiki not submission as =
Internet Drafts and I do not = find them in the Internet Drafts
directory

also they are = not legit Internet Drafts names

my normal rule = is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not =
published as an Internet = Draft

ADs - is this a = new replacement for IDs that I've not heard = about?

Scott
= --Apple-Mail-715-797242236-- --Apple-Mail-716-797242267 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNjyXtAAoJEGmx2Mt/+Iw/nFkIAIAR5xR/FTwSdvQ+59ft01GO M6vGAq0L57dhMo5MP6KnG8XNFwRjkK20ttNG166rGt5CgGg/eu3ljy0MHCTiiDVL xknPpynz/ZHsiPzt6pDV9UmV9zWrbn/vV+bUOLTZCjrXGHPHjp0JPU4rOQeD877M ot+jS0VU6PG5SOr8b0kXewYLE5sddzMikulnR+Mm8cR5havdq1zBHc5W6QMOGK6m 5LVuslI/DnLZpZZ3BFtZb1KxOKkzrbXAANC/kAtbqKKFXoAhICEbyc9iBfoLzVd8 psqA6bLCbUgL4FGEFL3Z1mx4UzL5bUPv1dptZgElePYB8ADQayH2GM47t6COL+w= =G/LW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-716-797242267-- From ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Sun Mar 27 04:55:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA493A67FF for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:55:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.458 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.458 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.140, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r2VZpANaagUY for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D108D3A67FA for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94581D8F7C; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:56:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RlTmjIAsVwQ1; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DAC031D8F67; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-719-797265387" From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:56:52 +1100 Message-Id: <1F8BCB93-D083-40F6-BA52-A8399B315525@cdl.asgaard.org> References: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CD09@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> <20110325110443.6FFEC9F01F1@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: masum@cisco.com, Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com, mmorrow@cisco.com, opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:55:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-719-797265387 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-718-797265350 --Apple-Mail-718-797265350 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I would support this - if we have time, we let it in, if we don't, we = will park it.... Chris On 25Mar2011, at 22.19, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi Scott and all,=20 >=20 > The rule that we had been following is that Internet-Drafts need to be > submitted and accessible in the I-D directory before the submission > deadline, so that they are available for interested attendees to = access > them from a well-known place and prepare for the meeting. Of course > exceptions can be admitted sometimes, but they need to be exceptions. = My > advice is to give priority to the items in the agenda that are backed = by > Internet-Drafts properly submitted with the deadlines. If there is = time > left at the end of the OPSAWG + OPSAREA meeting we can let room for > other items, as the OPSAREA agenda ends anyway with a open microphone > time slot.=20 >=20 > I would also recommend that each presenter focuses on explaining why = the > respective document and work item is relevant for the scope of the > OPSAWG. We should assume that people have read the documents and that = we > can focus on the discussion how relevant they are for the area and for > the WG (this is why we need the documents available in advance).=20 >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan=20 >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]=20 >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:05 PM >> To: mmorrow@cisco.com; opsawg@ietf.org; sob@harvard.edu;=20 >> vumip1@gmail.com >> Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ietf@cdl.asgaard.org;=20 >> masum@cisco.com; rbonica@juniper.net; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com >> Subject: RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your=20 >> drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 >>=20 >> humm - that looks like postings on a wiki not submission as=20 >> Internet Drafts and I do not find them in the Internet Drafts=20 >> directory >>=20 >> also they are not legit Internet Drafts names >>=20 >> my normal rule is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not=20 >> published as an Internet Draft >>=20 >> ADs - is this a new replacement for IDs that I've not heard about? >>=20 >> Scott >>=20 >>=20 --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-718-797265350 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = would support this - if we have time, we let it in, if we don't, we will = park it....

Chris

On = 25Mar2011, at 22.19, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:



Hi Scott and all,

The rule that we = had been following is that Internet-Drafts need to be
submitted and = accessible in the I-D directory before the submission
deadline, so = that they are available for interested attendees to access
them from = a well-known place and prepare for the meeting. Of course
exceptions = can be admitted sometimes, but they need to be exceptions. My
advice = is to give priority to the items in the agenda that are backed = by
Internet-Drafts properly submitted with the deadlines. If there is = time
left at the end of the OPSAWG + OPSAREA meeting we can let room = for
other items, as the OPSAREA agenda ends anyway with a open = microphone
time slot.

I would also recommend that each = presenter focuses on explaining why the
respective document and work = item is relevant for the scope of the
OPSAWG. We should assume that = people have read the documents and that we
can focus on the = discussion how relevant they are for the area and for
the WG (this is = why we need the documents available in advance).

Thanks and = Regards,

Dan


-----Original = Message-----
From: Scott O. = Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:05 = PM
To: mmorrow@cisco.com; opsawg@ietf.org; sob@harvard.edu; =
vumip1@gmail.com
Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ietf@cdl.asgaard.org; =
masum@cisco.com; rbonica@juniper.net; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com<= /a>
Subject: RE: PLS request = for time slots for presenting your
drafts in OPSAWG mtg during = IETF-80

humm - that = looks like postings on a wiki not submission as =
Internet Drafts and I do not = find them in the Internet Drafts
directory

also they are = not legit Internet Drafts names

my normal rule = is not let anything on teh agenda whch was not =
published as an Internet = Draft

ADs - is this a = new replacement for IDs that I've not heard = about?

Scott
= --Apple-Mail-718-797265350-- --Apple-Mail-719-797265387 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNjyYEAAoJEGmx2Mt/+Iw/cFgH+QGA0OoD9itKfzu1oU5YPIB2 Mi8JQnQP3dZFyfbDXDDBlQmLZpbZtzkKEQlo9mFjUOX3II8fuzcTFBwh79maZew6 AKL5YS+vBH2FSEUmjNbooXGAljheF4rS4ob5kgdNFMFvUU7MZCpdOxyMqkYyyaIt zhoXQwMyBIhTAfLXnIiCNeS05oqBT1zZhzgk97M4yKN4VS0NnT1Ia68NcAcswKiT nLPUZIE6AT4va3allCC40G/3gJPJkCqeGZuV+uFSM+u8VcmJY4q/hA6KvSsur7Cc WIW3OBJknx/BLdmB7lHAs1mwkcJJVvjGPjaId3EUJeJTtdl1zbM2qOja67r/OI8= =4mp6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-719-797265387-- From sob@harvard.edu Sun Mar 27 05:56:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190063A6827 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:56:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.479 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.120, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HVr17PW6y1U0 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D253A6808 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id E9C729F6E4B; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:58:10 -0400 (EDT) To: dromasca@avaya.com, ietf@cdl.asgaard.org In-Reply-To: <1F8BCB93-D083-40F6-BA52-A8399B315525@cdl.asgaard.org> Message-Id: <20110327125810.E9C729F6E4B@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:58:10 -0400 (EDT) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Cc: masum@cisco.com, Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com, mmorrow@cisco.com, opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:56:36 -0000 I do not see this as being published in a well known place but if there is time at the end of the ops area mtg & the ADs want to give the go ahead Scott From mmorrow@cisco.com Sun Mar 27 13:37:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610E428C116 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:37:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.079, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HEJ7wPiPNQA8 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21AF3A6943 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:37:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=mmorrow@cisco.com; l=2423; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1301258363; x=1302467963; h=mime-version:subject:date:message-id:references:from:to: cc; bh=aujEhBcvtqFmo5UHVwC7qsoJBHuny2R+NuFphg5RifE=; b=An0orD05hTY2Sts6duWtItCAy5W+RW4ljuG9pWT51g9yUryskmcgKhix 8YvB7C+9IF3wmlt9UJTeqtsk6Nk7XotsBJcWY90fm//vvf0MBEexKMgd1 hjVC7FV5eV/Lbr+ACUDw3erHWo9Dne5Rbc22imT2hI+0Y2JsqLg1XgUvQ Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjQEAI+fj02Q/khNgWdsb2JhbAClURQBARYmJaUVmneFaQSQUYMlhVo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,251,1299456000"; d="scan'208,217";a="23352773" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Mar 2011 20:39:22 +0000 Received: from xbh-ams-201.cisco.com (xbh-ams-201.cisco.com [144.254.75.7]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2RKdMiN018780; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:39:22 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-110.cisco.com ([144.254.74.85]) by xbh-ams-201.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:39:22 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBECBF.0D594443" Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:38:42 +0200 Message-ID: <317616CE96204D49B5A1811098BA895003F7CD3A@XMB-AMS-110.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 Thread-Index: AcvsfqfBdcqbzFWmSiK9QWPUMBi2PwAQE4yV References: <20110327125810.E9C729F6E4B@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> From: "Monique Morrow (mmorrow)" To: "Scott O. Bradner" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2011 20:39:22.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D902410:01CBECBF] Cc: "Masum Hasan \(masum\)" , opsawg@ietf.org, Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:37:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBECBF.0D594443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott all, Thanks. I will adhere to time permitting only and focus in getting the drafts = uploaded as per process. Best -m -----Original Message----- From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu] Sent: Sun 3/27/2011 5:58 AM To: dromasca@avaya.com; ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Cc: Masum Hasan (masum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org; = rbonica@juniper.net; sob@harvard.edu; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com; = vumip1@gmail.com Subject: Re: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80 =20 I do not see this as being published in a well known place but if there is time at the end of the ops area mtg & the ADs want to=20 give the go ahead Scott ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBECBF.0D594443 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

Scott all,

Thanks.

I will adhere to time permitting only and focus in getting the drafts = uploaded as per process.

Best -m



-----Original Message-----
From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu]
Sent: Sun 3/27/2011 5:58 AM
To: dromasca@avaya.com; ietf@cdl.asgaard.org
Cc: Masum Hasan (masum); Monique Morrow (mmorrow); opsawg@ietf.org; = rbonica@juniper.net; sob@harvard.edu; Sundar.Iyer@team.telstra.com; = vumip1@gmail.com
Subject: Re: PLS request for time slots for presenting your drafts in = OPSAWG mtg during IETF-80

I do not see this as being published in a well known place

but if there is time at the end of the ops area mtg & the ADs want = to
give the go ahead

Scott

------_=_NextPart_001_01CBECBF.0D594443-- From kashima@nttv6.net Sun Mar 27 23:06:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5688E3A67D3 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.917 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.917 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.682, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XCnHDEQ4y-In for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leo.nttv6.net (leo.nttv6.net [192.47.162.93]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A40F3A67D0 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.11.254] (localhost.nttv6.net [IPv6:::1]) by leo.nttv6.net (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2S66TKf001413 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:06:29 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from kashima@nttv6.net) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:06:26 +0900 From: Shingo KASHIMA To: opsawg@ietf.org Message-Id: <20110328150626.F59D.1AB7FA03@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.56.05 [ja] Subject: [OPSAWG] Regarding to draft-akhter-opsawg-perfmon-ipfix-00 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:06:13 -0000 Hi Aamer and all, I did a quick review of draft-akhter-opsawg-perfmon-ipfix-00. My comments are as follows: - How about adding a new IE 'perfPacketSequentialErrorEvent' in addition to perfPacketLossEvent ? 4.1.X perfPacketSequentialErrorEvent Description: The packet sequential error event metric reports the number of continuous sets of packets that were reversed in the reporting interval. - You seem to miss { Element Data Type, Element Semantics, Element Units, Element Range Begin, Element Range End, Element Id, Status: current } in 4.1.4. - Why is the style of Information Element definition different from RFC 5102 ? your draft: {Name, Description, Observation Point, Element Data Type, Element Semantics, Element Units, Element Range Begin, Element Range End, Element Id, Status} RFC 5102: {Description, Abstract Data Type, Data Type Semantics, ElementId, Status, Reference} - There is a typo in 7.2. [nProbe] "probe - NetFlow/IPFIX Network Probe ~~ [nProbe] "nProbe - NetFlow/IPFIX Network Probe -- Shingo KASHIMA From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Mon Mar 28 00:57:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0593A68AF for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4l0xlv-BOkRs for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026EE3A6808 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A320BC0013 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:58:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cLjkPV7RlrTM; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:58:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F66AC000F; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:58:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 765BD174928A; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:58:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:58:51 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: opsawg@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110328075851.GA23676@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: opsawg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [OPSAWG] bootstrapping devices via VPNs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:57:22 -0000 Hi, as mentioned today in the OPSAWG meeting, there is one open item in draft-ietf-opsawg-automated-network-configuration-00 where I am looking for input. The scenario is as follows: A device, after picking up basic IP connectivity (e.g. via DHCP) and before looking for a configuration server, sets up a VPN in order to tunnel traffic into the service provider's network. I am looking for input whether this is done somewhere in practice and if so I would very much appreciate pointers to any relevant documents or simply help in writing text describing details how this works. If I do not receive concrete input in the coming say three weeks, I will remove the open issue from the docment since this usage of VPNs might not be operationally relevant and I prefer to finish up this document. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Mon Mar 28 01:41:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CE43A6856 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:41:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XV4H58P2CC51 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B64B3A684B for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C921C0013 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:43:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e2DJNl4jL7ve; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:43:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F37C000F; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:43:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3377A17496B2; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:43:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:43:13 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: opsawg@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110328084313.GA23879@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: opsawg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [OPSAWG] virtual switches an network management systems X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:41:46 -0000 Hi, concerning the presentation involving virtual switches (layer two bridges, draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-04), I wonder whether the problem is not just a lack of implementations of standard bridge management interfaces in common hypervisor platforms. Once hypervisors export standard bridge management interfaces, network management systems will gain visibility into the virtual bridges and the problem might be solved to some larger extend. If I am correct, then the problem is an implementation problem (lack of network management support in hypervisors), not a lack of standards per se. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Mon Mar 28 02:01:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F713A6972 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.482 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.116, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c5D8dzoRIZdL for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108193A6974 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC361DC38C for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:02:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sof-3CCY1il6 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F25741DC376 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:02:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-74-866136290" Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:04:43 +1100 Message-Id: <6C05CED2-2D13-471F-B0BF-ABA403F574F1@cdl.asgaard.org> To: opsawg@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: [OPSAWG] Can someone please poke Scott to get on IM? 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Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-107-880923785" From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE In-Reply-To: <20110328084313.GA23879@elstar.local> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:11:10 +1100 Message-Id: <70734091-F923-4F0A-8937-F221AC32A336@asgaard.org> References: <20110328084313.GA23879@elstar.local> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:26:15 -0700 Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] virtual switches an network management systems X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:09:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-107-880923785 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-106-880923734 --Apple-Mail-106-880923734 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greetings Juergen, I'm not sure that's the extent of the problem, Juergen. I know = within my infrastructure here in Telstra, a standard "bridge management = layer" doesn't really solve the issues. Server migration, large network = domains, desire to avoid a flat fabric (from a management point of view) = for VERY large networks, all leads this to potentially a different = problem space. =20 Chris On 28Mar2011, at 19.43, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > Hi, >=20 > concerning the presentation involving virtual switches (layer two > bridges, draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-04), I wonder whether the problem > is not just a lack of implementations of standard bridge management > interfaces in common hypervisor platforms. Once hypervisors export > standard bridge management interfaces, network management systems will > gain visibility into the virtual bridges and the problem might be > solved to some larger extend. >=20 > If I am correct, then the problem is an implementation problem (lack > of network management support in hypervisors), not a lack of standards > per se. >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-106-880923734 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I'm not = sure that's the extent of the problem, Juergen.  I know within my = infrastructure here in Telstra, a standard "bridge management layer" = doesn't really solve the issues.  Server migration, large network = domains, desire to avoid a flat fabric (from a management point of view) = for VERY large networks, all leads this to potentially a different = problem space.  

</hat = off>

= Chris

On 28Mar2011, at 19.43, = Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:

Hi,

concerning the presentation involving = virtual switches (layer two
bridges, draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-04), I = wonder whether the problem
is not just a lack of implementations of = standard bridge management
interfaces in common hypervisor platforms. = Once hypervisors export
standard bridge management interfaces, = network management systems will
gain visibility into the virtual = bridges and the problem might be
solved to some larger = extend.

If I am correct, then the problem is an implementation = problem (lack
of network management support in hypervisors), not a = lack of standards
per se.

/js

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Phone: +49 421 200 3587 =         Campus Ring 1, 28759 = Bremen, Germany
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</hat = off>

On 28Mar2011, at 18.58, = Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:

Hi,

as mentioned today in the OPSAWG meeting, = there is one open item = in
draft-ietf-opsawg-automated-network-configuration-00 where I = am
looking for input. The scenario is as follows:

 A = device, after picking up basic IP connectivity (e.g. via DHCP) and
=  before looking for a configuration server, sets up a VPN in order = to
 tunnel traffic into the service provider's = network.

I am looking for input whether this is done somewhere in = practice and
if so I would very much appreciate pointers to any = relevant documents
or simply help in writing text describing details = how this works.

If I do not receive concrete input in the coming = say three weeks, I
will remove the open issue from the docment since = this usage of VPNs
might not be operationally relevant and I prefer = to finish up this
document.

/js

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Phone: +49 421 200 3587 =         Campus Ring 1, 28759 = Bremen, Germany
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= --Apple-Mail-109-881041226-- --Apple-Mail-110-881041275 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNkG1EAAoJEGmx2Mt/+Iw/jAwIAJhxWgg4Q/cg8zPvOjR/uYYA mU9muqF15VFK8vH9Xzs0BgNvCaFjBePc4IVujCrLhfBKR4nrUJDkVAWfjo9wAWZr LDfkhbSGEB74A7WZ5XMG+zCePg8H37xpdIrLllasMNJFwFDW7QQvpZ0+iJ6ATfhp 2ZYMuLA/85YE3M1oVdzUCmK1KC2OAq+XSjgcuBPqtnYAAL61EZezjD7vhhWJCTpz H7sYOXoHa6FERGskClnRlhBZ0r/51NBS7zRqcVXnw7axFbQO9Bp2dhwDHnZgPif2 1HEzwyHKnsS8LaqVv8ecM5SjuLv/cyMQbbJJjwgG03y41EyJFeb+S1j5sjMCA/s= =Sg6/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-110-881041275-- From joelja@bogus.com Mon Mar 28 05:37:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648573A6971 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:37:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z68F5STbnyQY for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647D93A6931 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-57c6.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-57c6.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.87.198]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2SCd3i2095875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:39:05 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <4D908166.8090400@bogus.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:39:02 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE References: <20110328075851.GA23676@elstar.local> <3DE73CD0-D713-475B-B9D8-C3D55E48D60D@asgaard.org> In-Reply-To: <3DE73CD0-D713-475B-B9D8-C3D55E48D60D@asgaard.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (nagasaki.bogus.com [147.28.0.81]); Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] bootstrapping devices via VPNs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:37:32 -0000 I've had devices that in fact do build a tunnel following dhcp and prior to the point where they configure themeselves. they located the tunnel endpoint either relying on preconfiguration, dhcp option or DNS rrs to locate the controller... aruba controllers/APs do this. On 3/28/11 4:13 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: > > > I am not aware of any devices in our environment (or other environments > I am aware of) that follow this model, so, in my vote, this is a NOOP. > > Chris > > > > On 28Mar2011, at 18.58, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> as mentioned today in the OPSAWG meeting, there is one open item in >> draft-ietf-opsawg-automated-network-configuration-00 where I am >> looking for input. The scenario is as follows: >> >> A device, after picking up basic IP connectivity (e.g. via DHCP) and >> before looking for a configuration server, sets up a VPN in order to >> tunnel traffic into the service provider's network. >> >> I am looking for input whether this is done somewhere in practice and >> if so I would very much appreciate pointers to any relevant documents >> or simply help in writing text describing details how this works. >> >> If I do not receive concrete input in the coming say three weeks, I >> will remove the open issue from the docment since this usage of VPNs >> might not be operationally relevant and I prefer to finish up this >> document. >> >> /js >> >> -- >> Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >> Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany >> Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >> _______________________________________________ >> OPSAWG mailing list >> OPSAWG@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > > --- > 李柯睿 > Check my PGP key here: > https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc > > > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Mon Mar 28 05:55:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7887A3A6994 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:55:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id if3gNXxmiuNq for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAAB3A6910 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A751DCEE2; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:56:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EnFmAjQwO75U; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24FD71DCECD; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-173-887255348" From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE In-Reply-To: <4D908166.8090400@bogus.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:56:42 +1100 Message-Id: <05ADCC7F-460F-4036-8B80-01F617FB5B2A@cdl.asgaard.org> References: <20110328075851.GA23676@elstar.local> <3DE73CD0-D713-475B-B9D8-C3D55E48D60D@asgaard.org> <4D908166.8090400@bogus.com> To: Joel Jaeggli Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] bootstrapping devices via VPNs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:55:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-173-887255348 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-172-887255293 --Apple-Mail-172-887255293 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I stand corrected. Any thoughts on what Juergen may need to consider? Chris On 28Mar2011, at 23.39, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > I've had devices that in fact do build a tunnel following dhcp and = prior > to the point where they configure themeselves. they located the tunnel > endpoint either relying on preconfiguration, dhcp option or DNS rrs to > locate the controller... aruba controllers/APs do this. >=20 > On 3/28/11 4:13 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: >> >>=20 >> I am not aware of any devices in our environment (or other = environments >> I am aware of) that follow this model, so, in my vote, this is a = NOOP. >>=20 >> Chris >>=20 >> >>=20 >> On 28Mar2011, at 18.58, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> as mentioned today in the OPSAWG meeting, there is one open item in >>> draft-ietf-opsawg-automated-network-configuration-00 where I am >>> looking for input. The scenario is as follows: >>>=20 >>> A device, after picking up basic IP connectivity (e.g. via DHCP) and >>> before looking for a configuration server, sets up a VPN in order to >>> tunnel traffic into the service provider's network. >>>=20 >>> I am looking for input whether this is done somewhere in practice = and >>> if so I would very much appreciate pointers to any relevant = documents >>> or simply help in writing text describing details how this works. >>>=20 >>> If I do not receive concrete input in the coming say three weeks, I >>> will remove the open issue from the docment since this usage of VPNs >>> might not be operationally relevant and I prefer to finish up this >>> document. >>>=20 >>> /js >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >>> Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany >>> Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OPSAWG mailing list >>> OPSAWG@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >>=20 >> --- >> =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF >> Check my PGP key here: >> https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> OPSAWG mailing list >> OPSAWG@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >=20 --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-172-887255293 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = stand corrected.  Any thoughts on what Juergen may need to = consider?

= Chris

On 28Mar2011, at 23.39, Joel = Jaeggli wrote:

I've had devices that in fact do build a tunnel = following dhcp and prior
to the point where they configure = themeselves. they located the tunnel
endpoint either relying on = preconfiguration, dhcp option or DNS rrs to
locate the controller... = aruba controllers/APs do this.

On 3/28/11 4:13 AM, Christopher = LILJENSTOLPE wrote:
<hat = off>

I am not aware = of any devices in our environment (or other = environments
I am aware of) = that follow this model, so, in my vote, this is a = NOOP.

Chris

</hat = off>

On 28Mar2011, = at 18.58, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:

Hi,

as mentioned today in the OPSAWG = meeting, there is one open item = in
draft-ietf-opsawg-automated-network-configuration-00 where = I am
looking for input. The scenario is as = follows:

A device, after picking up = basic IP connectivity (e.g. via DHCP) = and
before looking for a configuration server, sets up a VPN = in order to
tunnel traffic into the service = provider's network.

I am looking for input whether = this is done somewhere in practice = and
if so I would very much appreciate pointers to any = relevant documents
or simply help in writing text = describing details how this = works.

If I do not receive concrete = input in the coming say three weeks, = I
will remove the open issue from the docment since this = usage of VPNs
might not be operationally = relevant and I prefer to finish up = this
document.

/js

-- =
Juergen Schoenwaelder =           Jacobs = University Bremen gGmbH
Phone: +49 421 200 3587 =         Campus Ring 1, 28759 = Bremen, Germany
Fax:   +49 421 200 = 3103         <http://www.jacobs-university.de/= >
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Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:44:03 -0000 --20cf3054a671a648ac049f95375c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hi, Juergen: I haven't attend the 80th IETF, so may I ask in which scenario this function should be used? Why some devices need to tunnel traffic into the service provider's network before configuration? Thanks! Cancan Huang China Telecom On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > Hi, > > as mentioned today in the OPSAWG meeting, there is one open item in > draft-ietf-opsawg-automated-network-configuration-00 where I am > looking for input. The scenario is as follows: > > A device, after picking up basic IP connectivity (e.g. via DHCP) and > before looking for a configuration server, sets up a VPN in order to > tunnel traffic into the service provider's network. > > I am looking for input whether this is done somewhere in practice and > if so I would very much appreciate pointers to any relevant documents > or simply help in writing text describing details how this works. > > If I do not receive concrete input in the coming say three weeks, I > will remove the open issue from the docment since this usage of VPNs > might not be operationally relevant and I prefer to finish up this > document. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > --20cf3054a671a648ac049f95375c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi, Juergen:
=A0=A0 I haven't attend the 80th IETF, so may I ask in which scena= rio this function should be used? Why some devices need to tunnel traffic i= nto the service provider's network before configuration?
=A0
Thanks!
=A0
Cancan Huang
China Telecom

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Juergen Schoenw= aelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
Hi,

as mentioned today in= the OPSAWG meeting, there is one open item in
draft-ietf-opsawg-automat= ed-network-configuration-00 where I am
looking for input. The scenario is as follows:

=A0A device, after pi= cking up basic IP connectivity (e.g. via DHCP) and
=A0before looking for= a configuration server, sets up a VPN in order to
=A0tunnel traffic int= o the service provider's network.

I am looking for input whether this is done somewhere in practice andif so I would very much appreciate pointers to any relevant documents
= or simply help in writing text describing details how this works.

If I do not receive concrete input in the coming say three weeks, I
will= remove the open issue from the docment since this usage of VPNs
might n= ot be operationally relevant and I prefer to finish up this
document.
/js

--
Juergen Schoenwaelder =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH
Phone: +49 421 200 3587 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany
Fax: =A0 +49 421 200 31= 03 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>
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--20cf3054a671a648ac049f95375c-- From ning.so@verizonbusiness.com Tue Mar 29 00:30:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A913A6AA1 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:30:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tf2E99UiIzFs for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ashesmtp01.verizonbusiness.com (ashesmtp01.verizonbusiness.com [198.4.8.163]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B243A6917 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pdcismtp03.vzbi.com ([unknown] [166.40.77.73]) by firewall.verizonbusiness.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LIT00KGF694XH00@firewall.verizonbusiness.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:31:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pdcismtp03.vzbi.com ([unknown] [127.0.0.1]) by pdcismtp03.vzbi.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LIT001DN694UJ00@pdcismtp03.vzbi.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:31:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ASHSRV139.mcilink.com ([unknown] [153.39.68.165]) by pdcismtp03.vzbi.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LIT0016E693UL00@pdcismtp03.vzbi.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:31:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ASHEVS008.mcilink.com ([153.39.69.129]) by ASHSRV139.mcilink.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:31:50 +0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:31:43 +0000 Message-id: <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> In-reply-to: <64B30A84-211A-429A-9253-57477F4877ED@iijlab.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-topic: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Thread-index: Acvt3oI5i6qQGJvQTw6c93XzwhgZCQAAsVJg References: <64B30A84-211A-429A-9253-57477F4877ED@iijlab.net> From: "So, Ning" To: Keiichi SHIMA , Bhumip Khasnabish X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2011 07:31:50.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E3D5CF0:01CBEDE3] Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp, marcelo@it.uc3m.es, lisamariedewar@googlemail.com, Michael.Fargano@qwest.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, mark.carlson@oracle.com, snaiksat@cisco.com, zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn, John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com, Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn, opsawg@ietf.org, masum@cisco.com, sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com, vishwas@ipinfusion.com, surenck@gmail.com, li.mingdong@zte.com.cn, meng.yu@zte.com.cn, j-mambretti@northwestern.edu, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, "Zeltsan, Zachary" , ma.suan@zte.com.cn, hu.jie@zte.com.cn, TSridhar@ieee.org, carlw@mcsr-labs.org, igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com, lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn, mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com, ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org, Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com, wang.jun17@zte.com.cn, marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com, shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn, paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com, fjlin@research.telcordia.com, "Steiner, Moritz" , Subir Das , samj@samj.net, chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn, dani@computados.com, shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com, daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com, ajse@tid.es, arojoy@forcetech.net, yaomin.chen@sun.com, rnatale@mitre.org, henry.yu@twtelecom.com, ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:30:26 -0000 All, Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and the in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today. It is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to remind everyone to follow the IETF procedure and upload the drafts before deadline, and request the presentation slots properly. =20 OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center related work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discussion, to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I think that's a good and fair instruction. Now the work has an official IETF home, so I strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other channels of unofficial communication. I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to help. =20 =20 Best regards, =20 Ning So Network Evolution Planning Verizon, Inc. (office) 972-729-7905 (Cell) 972-955-0914 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM To: Bhumip Khasnabish Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp; hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com; thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com; sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner, Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Hi all, On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. I wonder if the above meeting is still planned or not. If planned, is there any information of the room? --- Keiichi SHIMA Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute WIDE Project On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at the following URL.. >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt > =20 > =20 > I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3, 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. > =20 > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. > =20 > Thanks. > =20 > Best. > =20 > Bhumip > =20 From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Tue Mar 29 01:30:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3093A6AB6; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:30:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.571 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.571 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k6uyp7Wlplc8; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141C33A69FC; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:30:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.14 Message-ID: <20110329083002.12271.66526.idtracker@localhost> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:30:02 -0700 Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-opsawg-mpls-tp-oam-def-08.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:30:06 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : "Guidelines for the use of the OAM acronym in the IETF" Author(s) : L. Andersson, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-mpls-tp-oam-def-08.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2011-03-29 At first glance the acronym "OAM" seems to be well known and well understood. Looking at the acronym a bit more closely reveals a set of recurring problems that are revisited time and again. This document provides a definition of the acronym OAM (Operations, Administration, and Maintenance) for use in all future IETF documents that refer to OAM. There are other definitions and acronyms that will be discussed while exploring the definition of the constituent parts of the OAM term. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-mpls-tp-oam-def-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-opsawg-mpls-tp-oam-def-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-29012540.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Tue Mar 29 03:00:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D5928C0F5; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:00:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wH5ciSQpN+3P; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26DB28C0E7; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:00:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.14 Message-ID: <20110329100001.4883.60495.idtracker@localhost> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:00:01 -0700 Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-opsawg-oam-overview-04.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:00:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : An Overview of Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) Mechanisms Author(s) : T. Mizrahi, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-oam-overview-04.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2011-03-29 Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) is a general term that refers to a toolset that can be used for fault detection and localization, and for performance measurement. OAM mechanisms have been defined for various layers in the protocol stack, and are used with a variety of protocols. This document presents an overview of the OAM mechanisms that have been defined and are currently being defined by the IETF, as well as a comparison to other OAM mechanisms that have been defined by the IEEE and ITU-T. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-oam-overview-04.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-opsawg-oam-overview-04.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-29025321.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Tue Mar 29 04:03:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A62F3A6948 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:03:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.111, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hlO-mErGvVVe for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADBF3A68D4 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865AD1E0680; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:04:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g7SniHE0Be1C; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C49851E066B; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:04:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-862-966932554" Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:04:39 +1100 Message-Id: To: opsawg@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-oam-overview@tools.ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-opsawg-oam-overview-04 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:03:07 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-862-966932554 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-861-966932507 --Apple-Mail-861-966932507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greetings, As discussed in the meeting, we are advancing this document for = WG last call. Please comment by 0000 UTC on Tuesday 4 April. Chris --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-861-966932507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 As discussed in the meeting, we = are advancing this document for WG last call.  Please comment by = 0000 UTC on Tuesday 4 April.

= Chris

= --Apple-Mail-861-966932507-- --Apple-Mail-862-966932554 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNkbzHAAoJEGmx2Mt/+Iw/SSUH/jaQgzswLYoaMgm7NiBq3fKt 802WKs2hcfxOn/EGOFysixSBUTVsJoaTx5FezDrJUZaAooDqA/QrYQw0+SCQx9Qe QhIVwgZgzVGsK9mWxsN/2ZsjcW0gXiaNhH2Scos19iRBTC/ZaxDYtunVQ5iy06rD Ni1G5YCMy/0Utcjpvp/TodfCODqhDBVv6nq9BlrPU0vZLz1kzdUw79yT1wYw/3J3 PlPJJF+xCFPFHx3Rtp+YIPzpRDhi5Ve/zvELuy+s22PQBTmGGDWqGe2ImSdgOBLi jOXgBTP5S1l4bqasmIpuDxYkc3DTszPsBTNpBDFGCQrP+yJEUYzWR1boQShQlbo= =MN6f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-862-966932554-- From ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Tue Mar 29 04:16:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611643A6A38 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:16:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UQ0OPHETkalO for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B0C3A6952 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04531E06E2; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:18:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nZ8iaV4z7D3C; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B6671E06CD; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:18:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-868-967732228" Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:17:59 +1100 Message-Id: <3D50A761-7279-4564-A8EA-6CBAAD62CC84@cdl.asgaard.org> To: opsawg@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats@tools.ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] WGLC draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:16:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-868-967732228 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-867-967732181 --Apple-Mail-867-967732181 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greetings, We are also advancing draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats to working = group last call. Please make your comments before 0000UTC on 5 April = 2011. Thank you, Chris --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-867-967732181 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 We are also advancing = draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats to working group last call.  Please = make your comments before 0000UTC on 5 April = 2011.

Thank you,
= Chris

= --Apple-Mail-867-967732181-- --Apple-Mail-868-967732228 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNkb/sAAoJEGmx2Mt/+Iw/4RgH/ii8WN/dzmeU6m1Ur8rj+SCg 96OPOjyBEgTOGy/1cmdtuTl1CG53PA5TdajWcxfabrciJ3cUC1aV0RVGlpQX53l3 vYD3XuI1EJlzYQj5YIQ5kgchILGp6sEj5vi8LIt++Bb5sJIujwsWqB3dgkXA2sU8 96CsCY0t8vHZ2m4OWlYjEbuUbSC/6myLyARz5Qm6OsUFG63rQwelpuVX4WEVsovo xPFBVFTBIsI4GoXW1Zu3xqxOL6ThOv2P3W2NM/yF0oE5XwIPOVxN+qeWHsayavXa exI7bWoCcmVRAoTCLLeAAXQaP165L/KC375aPiBraBEbLBInk8u08rYbJtXr5lo= =MBzd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-868-967732228-- From bertietf@bwijnen.net Tue Mar 29 04:24:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CC228C138 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:24:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.052, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eejgfu+I-uQo for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postlady.ripe.net (postlady.ipv6.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1341]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6B128C128 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ayeaye.ripe.net ([193.0.23.5]) by postlady.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4X3r-0003hj-Ks; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:26:12 +0200 Received: from dog.ripe.net ([193.0.1.217] helo=dhcp-1082.meeting.ietf.org) by ayeaye.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4X3r-0003cj-7i; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:26:11 +0200 Message-ID: <4D91C1D2.3010709@bwijnen.net> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0200 From: "Bert (IETF) Wijnen" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE References: <3D50A761-7279-4564-A8EA-6CBAAD62CC84@cdl.asgaard.org> In-Reply-To: <3D50A761-7279-4564-A8EA-6CBAAD62CC84@cdl.asgaard.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: 86ab03e524994f79ca2c75a176445dd4a540d3fb73a85312ff04219b45ba2543 Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats@tools.ietf.org, opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WGLC draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:24:43 -0000 So this is a 1 week only WG LC and that during a busy IETF week?? Bert On 3/29/11 1:17 PM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: > Greetings, > > We are also advancing draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats to working group last call. Please make your comments before 0000UTC on 5 > April 2011. > > Thank you, > Chris > > --- > 李柯睿 > Check my PGP key here: > https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc > > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From cdl@asgaard.org Tue Mar 29 04:37:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CE928C153 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pBJZDaWY0miG for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E650B3A67CC for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348DC1E0864; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:38:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9xJAzGLtvAez; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CFD051E083E; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-891-968953777" From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE In-Reply-To: <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:38:20 +1100 Message-Id: References: <64B30A84-211A-429A-9253-57477F4877ED@iijlab.net> <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> To: "So, Ning" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp, lisamariedewar@googlemail.com, Michael.Fargano@qwest.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, mark.carlson@oracle.com, "Sumit Naiksatam \(snaiksat\)" , zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn, rnatale@mitre.org, John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com, opsawg@ietf.org, "Masum Hasan \(masum\)" , Sundar K Iyer , Jeff Young , vishwas@ipinfusion.com, surenck@gmail.com, li.mingdong@zte.com.cn, Clive E Webber , meng.yu@zte.com.cn, j-mambretti@northwestern.edu, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, "Zeltsan, Zachary" , ma.suan@zte.com.cn, marcelo@it.uc3m.es, hu.jie@zte.com.cn, TSridhar@ieee.org, carlw@mcsr-labs.org, igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com, lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn, mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com, ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org, henry.yu@twtelecom.com, wang.jun17@zte.com.cn, marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com, shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn, paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com, fjlin@research.telcordia.com, "Steiner, Moritz" , Subir Das , samj@samj.net, chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn, dani@computados.com, shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com, Daryl A Bourke , ajse@tid.es, arojoy@forcetech.net, yaomin.chen@sun.com, Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn, Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com, ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:37:03 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-891-968953777 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-890-968953772 --Apple-Mail-890-968953772 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greetings Ning et al, Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather = later (so we can gauge the level of activity here). Also, as this is = the operations wg, we would really like to see input from operators who = are using (or attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the = issues are, for example. Theory is great, practice is better :) Thank's, Chris =09 On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote: > All, >=20 > Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and = the > in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for > now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today. = It > is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not = be > presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to remind everyone = to > follow the IETF procedure and upload the drafts before deadline, and > request the presentation slots properly. =20 >=20 > OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are > looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center = related > work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list = discussion, > to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I think that's a > good and fair instruction. Now the work has an official IETF home, so = I > strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if = you > have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have = in > Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future > Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other > channels of unofficial communication. >=20 > I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort = may > not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. Please feel free to = contact > me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to help. =20= >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Ning So > Network Evolution Planning > Verizon, Inc. > (office) 972-729-7905 > (Cell) 972-955-0914 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; > surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; > samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; > ma.suan@zte.com.cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com; > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp; > hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com; > thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es; > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; > Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; > yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com; > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; > snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; > ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp; > marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner, > Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary > Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: >=20 >> We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. >=20 > I wonder if the above meeting is still planned or not. If planned, is > there any information of the room? >=20 > --- > Keiichi SHIMA > Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute = WIDE > Project >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: >=20 >> We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related > presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at = the > following URL.. >>=20 >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt >>=20 >>=20 >> I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3, > 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. >>=20 >> We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. >>=20 >> Thanks. >>=20 >> Best. >>=20 >> Bhumip >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-890-968953772 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Please do start the activity on = the mailing list sooner rather later (so we can gauge the level of = activity here).  Also, as this is the operations wg, we would = really like to see input from operators who are using (or attempting) to = use this technology in anger, and what the issues are, for example. =  Theory is great, practice is better = :)

Thank's,
= Chris


=
On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote:

All,

Given the clear direction from APS AD = during the OPSAWG meeting and the
in room discussion, all DCOPS = related work will be done in OPSAWG for
now.  I do not see the = needs to have another separate meeting today.  It
is rather = unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not = be
presented at this IETF meeting.  I will make sure to remind = everyone to
follow the IETF procedure and upload the drafts before = deadline, and
request the presentation slots properly. =  

OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that = they are
looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data = center related
work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail = list discussion,
to determine the needs for a separate WG. =  Personally I think that's a
good and fair instruction. =  Now the work has an official IETF home, so I
strongly encourage = everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you
have not already = done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in
Cloud Data = Center related issues.   We should try to move all = future
Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all = other
channels of unofficial communication.

I am aware some of = the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may
not be totally = clear on the IETF procedure.  Please feel free to contact
me = directly if you have any questions.  I will try my best to help. =   


Best regards,

Ning So
Network = Evolution Planning
Verizon, Inc.
(office) 972-729-7905
(Cell) = 972-955-0914


-----Original Message-----
From: Keiichi = SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 = AM
To: Bhumip Khasnabish
Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.co= m;
surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;
samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com<= /a>; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn;
ma.suan@zte.com.cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn;
hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com;
j-mambretti@northwestern.edu<= /a>; yokota@kddilabs.jp;
hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgrou= p.com;
igor.faynberg@alcatel-luc= ent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-l= ucent.com;
mike.mangino@alcatel-lucen= t.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com;
John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com<= /a>; gene@alertlogic.com;
thomas.morin@orange-ftgrou= p.com; dani@computados.com;= ajse@tid.es;
lisamariedewar@googlemail.co= m; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.e= du.cn;
vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca;Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; = TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;
yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com;
sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com<= /a>; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstr= a.com;
snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;
Zhengping.You@aforesoluti= ons.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;
shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; = lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;
ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp;
marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; = Subir Das; Steiner,
Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary
Subject: Re: PLS = attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on
Monday-28-March2011 = in Barcelona/Berlin

Hi all,

On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, = Bhumip Khasnabish wrote:

We plan to = continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during = lunch
break, if possible/needed, will let you know the = room number later.

I wonder if the above meeting is still planned = or not.  If planned, is
there any information of the = room?

---
Keiichi SHIMA
Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation = Institute  <keiichi@iijlab.net> = WIDE
Project <shima@wide.ad.jp>



<= br>
On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish = wrote:

We'll have VPN oriented Cloud = Services, DataCenter, and VNM related
presentations = during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at the
following = URL..

 http://www.i= etf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt


I requested = Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have = {3,
4, and 8} presentations in one = cluster.

We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) = during lunch
break, if possible/needed, will let you = know the room number later.

Thanks.

Best.

Bhumip


_______________________________________= ________
OPSAWG mailing list
OPSAWG@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/opsawg


= --Apple-Mail-890-968953772-- --Apple-Mail-891-968953777 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNkcSsAAoJEGmx2Mt/+Iw/3MEH/ix0dciGoTdLk+INXy+Y8d+R pzqcK5bI6WZNpz3SRsj6Wb4RZ70Ae9+/vfsPvqKjRIXB8qV9zmEiVEh5lxGQDgLM +x9nN8jhEcQRuRFHr43DWUTlKAgvYz44/wgm0BgywZ37E2mk9aqn291+yy6SEHb/ cfXk+DypScxEQ7WZcLsVt0aMeoVl+493JGsWWGvt1GtiSlDhKvfDrWjtM3zF9DF1 ESjQV07qVdnL5zAtrYqk3cgh9BMCzoC36RJm+CMTK03BfAbLJpCq0uYwt2oF/Cxk CiVE3JrR3/N6Vub+pvx8gKRubnPAPcu/yFFkkhDdDfA+momg4kaYZ2BMvXSa7Ic= =JPbQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-891-968953777-- From mehmet.ersue@nsn.com Tue Mar 29 04:50:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8722D3A67B6 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:50:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o145Uw-LHgyt for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDA93A63CA for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2TBplOi010612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:51:47 +0200 Received: from demuexc023.nsn-intra.net (demuexc023.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.36]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2TBplbO021672 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:51:47 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.103]) by demuexc023.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:51:47 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:51:46 +0200 Message-ID: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA7D4@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Further steps for draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds Thread-Index: AcvuB63u8PMV6bd8TEmjdSBdNHDahw== From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2011 11:51:47.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE8080B0:01CBEE07] Subject: [OPSAWG] Further steps for draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:50:13 -0000 Hi All, after the OPSAWG session on Monday I would like to summarize the next steps I see for draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00.txt (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds). I think we improved the draft a lot with new chapters and content but also cleaned up the text. It reads much better now. Though we have still some action items and issues to solve. - We need to add missing standard MIB modules into section 4 per management task. Please comment on missing parts. - We need a decision on whether the sections on Autoconf, and EPP are needed or should be added? - Benoit is going to provide a classification of technology options to ease the selection of technologies and the relevant data models, which is important as a entry point to the information in the document. - We are also going to incorporate a table on the technology specific data models into the draft.=20 As per suggestion of our AD both views would be interesting to have in the document, namely: the current structure in section 4 based on the management task or application based view (requested by the main audience of the document outside of the IETF) _and_ the technology specific view, which is more comprehensive and supports a structure along the protocol boundaries. I would like to please the OPSAWG members to review the document and send their comments to the maillist. A discussion on missing parts and text on the maillist would be valuable. My aim is to get the document stable soon and provide for further review in OPSAWG and SGIP IPS WG. Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 From dromasca@avaya.com Tue Mar 29 04:54:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1563A66B4 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:54:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.137 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.462, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pUoTVbQ2LZDS for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E56C3A63CA for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:54:00 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvYAAFMtcU3GmAcF/2dsb2JhbACYKo47dKR5ApkWAoMWgkkEkAyDAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,262,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="239038514" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 29 Mar 2011 07:55:36 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,262,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="602450377" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 29 Mar 2011 07:55:27 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:55:06 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Thread-Index: Acvt3oI5i6qQGJvQTw6c93XzwhgZCQAAsVJgAAmIrXA= References: <64B30A84-211A-429A-9253-57477F4877ED@iijlab.net> <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "So, Ning" , "Keiichi SHIMA" , "Bhumip Khasnabish" Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp, lisamariedewar@googlemail.com, Michael.Fargano@qwest.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, mark.carlson@oracle.com, snaiksat@cisco.com, zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn, rnatale@mitre.org, John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com, opsawg@ietf.org, masum@cisco.com, sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com, vishwas@ipinfusion.com, surenck@gmail.com, li.mingdong@zte.com.cn, meng.yu@zte.com.cn, j-mambretti@northwestern.edu, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, "Zeltsan, Zachary" , ma.suan@zte.com.cn, marcelo@it.uc3m.es, hu.jie@zte.com.cn, TSridhar@ieee.org, carlw@mcsr-labs.org, igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com, lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn, mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com, ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org, henry.yu@twtelecom.com, wang.jun17@zte.com.cn, marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com, shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn, paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com, fjlin@research.telcordia.com, "Steiner, Moritz" , Subir Das , samj@samj.net, chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn, dani@computados.com, shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com, daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com, ajse@tid.es, arojoy@forcetech.net, yaomin.chen@sun.com, Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn, Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com, ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:54:03 -0000 Hi,=20 Thanks, Ning for the clarification.=20 One point of clarification is needed though. The OPSAWG is discussing area-wide work for the OPS area as well as smaller incremental specifications related to existing work in the area. I think it is fine to bring here all clouds and data center operational and management issues, but things that are not related to the OPS area scope should be brought some other place.=20 If you have any questions on this please approach me, Ron, Scott or Chris.=20 Regards, Dan=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of So, Ning > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:32 AM > To: Keiichi SHIMA; Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es;=20 > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com;=20 > spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;=20 > snaiksat@cisco.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;=20 > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;=20 > opsawg@ietf.org; masum@cisco.com;=20 > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; vishwas@ipinfusion.com;=20 > surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;=20 > meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu;=20 > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn;=20 > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;=20 > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org;=20 > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn;=20 > marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com;=20 > fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner, Moritz; Subir Das;=20 > samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com;=20 > shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;=20 > daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; ajse@tid.es;=20 > arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org;=20 > henry.yu@twtelecom.com; ksankar@cisco.com > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and=20 > 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 > All, >=20 > Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG=20 > meeting and the in room discussion, all DCOPS related work=20 > will be done in OPSAWG for now. I do not see the needs to=20 > have another separate meeting today. It is rather=20 > unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be=20 > presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to remind=20 > everyone to follow the IETF procedure and upload the drafts=20 > before deadline, and request the presentation slots properly. =20 >=20 > OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that=20 > they are looking for signs of significant activity for=20 > Cloud/Data center related work, both from drafts (not=20 > presentations), and e-mail list discussion, to determine the=20 > needs for a separate WG. Personally I think that's a good=20 > and fair instruction. Now the work has an official IETF=20 > home, so I strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the=20 > OPSAWG mail list if you have not already done so, and freely=20 > open up any dialog you may have in > Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future > Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all=20 > other channels of unofficial communication. >=20 > I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF=20 > effort may not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. =20 > Please feel free to contact > me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to help. =20 >=20 > =20 > Best regards, > =20 > Ning So > Network Evolution Planning > Verizon, Inc. > (office) 972-729-7905 > (Cell) 972-955-0914 > =20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;=20 > surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com;=20 > chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; ma.suan@zte.com.cn;=20 > wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; hu.jie@zte.com.cn;=20 > masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com;=20 > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp;=20 > hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com;=20 > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com;=20 > thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com;=20 > ajse@tid.es; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com;=20 > zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com;=20 > marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com;=20 > TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;=20 > yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com;=20 > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com;=20 > daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; snaiksat@cisco.com;=20 > Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com;=20 > li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn;=20 > lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org;=20 > vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp;=20 > marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das;=20 > Steiner, Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary > Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: >=20 > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011)=20 > during lunch > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. >=20 > I wonder if the above meeting is still planned or not. If=20 > planned, is there any information of the room? >=20 > --- > Keiichi SHIMA > Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute =20 > WIDE Project >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: >=20 > > We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related > presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be=20 > found at the following URL.. > >=20 > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt > > =20 > > =20 > > I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we=20 > can have {3, > 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. > > =20 > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011)=20 > during lunch > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. > > =20 > > Thanks. > > =20 > > Best. > > =20 > > Bhumip > > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >=20 From mehmet.ersue@nsn.com Tue Mar 29 05:12:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03173A6783 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:12:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r9c+fJLoYhfx for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCD43A67B0 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2TCDXVl013026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:13:33 +0200 Received: from demuexc025.nsn-intra.net (demuexc025.nsn-intra.net [10.159.32.12]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2TCDVvV017625; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:13:33 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.103]) by demuexc025.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:13:28 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:13:27 +0200 Message-ID: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA830@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel WAS:FW: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions Thread-Index: Acvt7qp7JP2uYSkfSO+LI6ei3NVdzAAGXW9A From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2011 12:13:28.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[B66B4C80:01CBEE0A] Cc: masahiro.yoshizawa.bt@hitachi.com, opsawg@ietf.org, "Linowski, Bernd \(EXT-Other - DE\)" Subject: [OPSAWG] Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel WAS:FW: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:12:10 -0000 Dear Hideki, as I commented in the OPSAWG session on Monday morning I would see it valuable if you would use YANG as the modeling language for the information model in your draft. I believe the YANG extension for Complex Types, which has been published today (a few hours ago :) as RFC 6095, will further ease your life as it supports the top-down modeling approach with class inheritance. Base classes you are using are already defined in this RFC and can be further reused. Please let me and Bernd know if you need help for modeling with YANG and its extensions. PS: Please check http://code.google.com/p/pyang-ct/ for an open source validation tool for YANG Complex Types. Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 -----Original Message----- From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:51 AM To: ietf-announce@ietf.org; rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. =20 RFC 6095 Title: Extending YANG with Language Abstractions=20 Author: B. Linowski, M. Ersue, S. Kuryla Status: Experimental Stream: IETF Date: March 2011 Mailbox: bernd.linowski.ext@nsn.com,=20 mehmet.ersue@nsn.com,=20 s.kuryla@gmail.com Pages: 75 Characters: 140259 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-linowski-netmod-yang-abstract-05.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6095.txt YANG -- the Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) Data Modeling Language -- supports modeling of a tree of data elements that represent the configuration and runtime status of a particular network element managed via NETCONF. This memo suggests enhancing YANG with supplementary modeling features and language abstractions with the aim to improve the model extensibility and reuse. =20 This document defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet community. EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce From ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Tue Mar 29 05:13:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441593A63CA for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:13:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.432 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.432 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FF_IHOPE_YOU_SINK=2.166, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b4Vvi-Nx3c1G for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B463A6783 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11A61E0B31; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:15:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id idy4J8rySsbw; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF73F1E0B1C; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-925-971171847" From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:15:18 +1100 Message-Id: <246B19E8-9F5F-4802-B98B-49F136DDFFA0@cdl.asgaard.org> References: <3D50A761-7279-4564-A8EA-6CBAAD62CC84@cdl.asgaard.org> <4D91C1D2.3010709@bwijnen.net> To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats@tools.ietf.org, opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WGLC draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:13:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-925-971171847 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-924-971171787 --Apple-Mail-924-971171787 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ok, let's bump that to 13 April at the same time (000UTC). Chris On 29Mar2011, at 22.56, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi,=20 >=20 > Oh, yes, please, two weeks at least.=20 >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan=20 >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org=20 >> [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bert (IETF) Wijnen >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:26 PM >> To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE >> Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats@tools.ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WGLC draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats >>=20 >> So this is a 1 week only WG LC and that during a busy IETF week?? >>=20 >> Bert >>=20 >> On 3/29/11 1:17 PM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: >>> Greetings, >>>=20 >>> We are also advancing draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats to working group=20= >>> last call. Please make your comments before 0000UTC on 5=20 >> April 2011. >>>=20 >>> Thank you, >>> Chris >>>=20 >>> --- >>> =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF >>> Check my PGP key here: >>> https://www.asgaard.org/=E2=80=BEcdl/cdl.asc=20 >>> >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OPSAWG mailing list >>> OPSAWG@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> OPSAWG mailing list >> OPSAWG@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >>=20 --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-924-971171787 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Ok, = let's bump that to 13 April at the same time = (000UTC).

Chris

On = 29Mar2011, at 22.56, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:



Hi,

Oh, yes, please, two weeks at = least.

Thanks and Regards,

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org =
[mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bert (IETF) = Wijnen
Sent: Tuesday, March = 29, 2011 1:26 PM
To: = Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
Cc: = draft-ietf-ops= awg-mib-floats@tools.ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WGLC = draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats

So this is a 1 = week only WG LC and that during a busy IETF = week??

Bert

On 3/29/11 1:17 = PM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote:
Greetings,

We are also advancing = draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats to working group =
last call.  Please make your comments before 0000UTC = on 5
April = 2011.

Thank = you,
Chris

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= --Apple-Mail-924-971171787-- --Apple-Mail-925-971171847 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNkc1WAAoJEGmx2Mt/+Iw/xXcH/RHh7ZmOeCN+4ltNpiCFRXJg IyDSvt2e+JTYOBRjgUb+Ro/BVwzpqUCkoWvJzJQfel1yRUFPyW2iaMrGM8KGhKBZ DldP4ImEnUSokQ1Ae4LbuHqKfuZgQwUuShV6J7Fa0VhqBzR9GLl9h3p9pRBzdX4p K9UNN5xixaYOtvx7bICpYmfcJUbzwuKesXQwBSSMH3FWwJ/t7r1nqQQ2ty7ASHAU +S56y/3DRUOX2FE+EBDLR6lOIw0MFUHGSUDldUzBETBtgeBYSExxc+TtwkoqWq7s U2I7xE0xQgn32XiGyqca+5VOqStOPcICrLMDSt5NiaY7U2CnyQXMsB/r4lYPVns= =ebRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-925-971171847-- From cdl@asgaard.org Tue Mar 29 05:19:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C553A67A8 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:19:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id selCeSAY6q0b for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D423A63CA for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C441E0BC4; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:21:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aaoSgy8hTmv9; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7BA931E0BAC; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-950-971528539" From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:21:15 +1100 Message-Id: <53CEE86F-D26F-46BE-B448-75D065A55C84@asgaard.org> References: To: opsawg@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-oam-overview@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-opsawg-oam-overview-04 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:19:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-950-971528539 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-949-971528483 --Apple-Mail-949-971528483 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greetings, As per the last request, let's leave this WGLC open until 13 = April as well. =20 Chris On 29Mar2011, at 22.04, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: > Greetings, >=20 > As discussed in the meeting, we are advancing this document for = WG last call. Please comment by 0000 UTC on Tuesday 4 April. >=20 > Chris >=20 > --- > =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF > Check my PGP key here: > https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc >=20 --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-949-971528483 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 As per the last request, let's = leave this WGLC open until 13 April as well. =  

Chris

On = 29Mar2011, at 22.04, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote:

Greetings,

As discussed in the meeting, we = are advancing this document for WG last call.  Please comment by = 0000 UTC on Tuesday 4 April.

= Chris

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= --Apple-Mail-949-971528483-- --Apple-Mail-950-971528539 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNkc69AAoJEGmx2Mt/+Iw/+/kH/3x+QUtz7/wTcC8d3dpQlejv nDeReph4ISq/+OOzOyDlR7vWmec47xyllhU5t4qwNo0U4h71fSMG+K2F+iqSpbbQ NmNiZdwRkDX7P5tZJ7W64z9m5xnibvOOJ51fL5S+biy1/tBJjCIR5PLdLhUKCKB/ Ol5M+HRn+15zFwWqwb7hJkRCe+kjZOI6Q2eyal5As6JIbK/12DHSS3HBr6eCb9vM oJ538R8aoECSzXH5E0AZXAtumxuXex/g2kmsx7H8858rdc+nc3HPYHPFQl4FYGKc tRyiZGMSq23kejDKa+TKlZqIKbPq+C6tKaTKLuF/y2RKUXzWtig7IfHoU88Vdso= =GSX5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-950-971528539-- From joelja@bogus.com Tue Mar 29 05:24:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3C03A67B6 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:24:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.513 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.513 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.086, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vpg9tUumHtnw for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960473A6784 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-5215.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.82.21]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2TCQDqs005050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:26:15 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <4D91CFE3.8000204@bogus.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:26:11 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE References: <20110328075851.GA23676@elstar.local> <3DE73CD0-D713-475B-B9D8-C3D55E48D60D@asgaard.org> <4D908166.8090400@bogus.com> <05ADCC7F-460F-4036-8B80-01F617FB5B2A@cdl.asgaard.org> In-Reply-To: <05ADCC7F-460F-4036-8B80-01F617FB5B2A@cdl.asgaard.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (nagasaki.bogus.com [147.28.0.81]); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] bootstrapping devices via VPNs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:24:46 -0000 On 3/28/11 5:56 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: > I stand corrected. Any thoughts on what Juergen may need to consider? so the question normally applied to such a scenario, is building a tunnel before you've established a trust relationship implies pre-configuration or blind trust, the latter obviously has some limitations, they may be acceptable (pretty good security or ssh as an example is illustrative) but it certainly should be used as a general bootstrapping method post initial configuration. > Chris > > On 28Mar2011, at 23.39, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > >> I've had devices that in fact do build a tunnel following dhcp and prior >> to the point where they configure themeselves. they located the tunnel >> endpoint either relying on preconfiguration, dhcp option or DNS rrs to >> locate the controller... aruba controllers/APs do this. >> >> On 3/28/11 4:13 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: >>> >>> >>> I am not aware of any devices in our environment (or other environments >>> I am aware of) that follow this model, so, in my vote, this is a NOOP. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> On 28Mar2011, at 18.58, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> as mentioned today in the OPSAWG meeting, there is one open item in >>>> draft-ietf-opsawg-automated-network-configuration-00 where I am >>>> looking for input. The scenario is as follows: >>>> >>>> A device, after picking up basic IP connectivity (e.g. via DHCP) and >>>> before looking for a configuration server, sets up a VPN in order to >>>> tunnel traffic into the service provider's network. >>>> >>>> I am looking for input whether this is done somewhere in practice and >>>> if so I would very much appreciate pointers to any relevant documents >>>> or simply help in writing text describing details how this works. >>>> >>>> If I do not receive concrete input in the coming say three weeks, I >>>> will remove the open issue from the docment since this usage of VPNs >>>> might not be operationally relevant and I prefer to finish up this >>>> document. >>>> >>>> /js >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >>>> Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany >>>> Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OPSAWG mailing list >>>> OPSAWG@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >>> >>> --- >>> 李柯睿 >>> Check my PGP key here: >>> https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OPSAWG mailing list >>> OPSAWG@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >> > > --- > 李柯睿 > Check my PGP key here: > https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc > From ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Tue Mar 29 05:43:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C2A3A6867 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:43:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.160, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BlLk+dYOGPhy for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42A83A6830 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C671E0DCE; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:45:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZZnZeZxv4xDe; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C322A1E0DB8; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-968-972971150" From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE In-Reply-To: <4D91CFE3.8000204@bogus.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:45:18 +1100 Message-Id: <9F55ECF9-BC83-4AF5-8B6F-9EE755A5346B@cdl.asgaard.org> References: <20110328075851.GA23676@elstar.local> <3DE73CD0-D713-475B-B9D8-C3D55E48D60D@asgaard.org> <4D908166.8090400@bogus.com> <05ADCC7F-460F-4036-8B80-01F617FB5B2A@cdl.asgaard.org> <4D91CFE3.8000204@bogus.com> To: Joel Jaeggli Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] bootstrapping devices via VPNs X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:43:44 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-968-972971150 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-967-972971099 --Apple-Mail-967-972971099 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thank's Joel Chris On 29Mar2011, at 23.26, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > On 3/28/11 5:56 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: >> I stand corrected. Any thoughts on what Juergen may need to = consider? >=20 > so the question normally applied to such a scenario, is building a > tunnel before you've established a trust relationship implies > pre-configuration or blind trust, the latter obviously has some > limitations, they may be acceptable (pretty good security or ssh as an > example is illustrative) but it certainly should be used as a general > bootstrapping method post initial configuration. >=20 >> Chris >>=20 >> On 28Mar2011, at 23.39, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >>=20 >>> I've had devices that in fact do build a tunnel following dhcp and = prior >>> to the point where they configure themeselves. they located the = tunnel >>> endpoint either relying on preconfiguration, dhcp option or DNS rrs = to >>> locate the controller... aruba controllers/APs do this. >>>=20 >>> On 3/28/11 4:13 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: >>>> >>>>=20 >>>> I am not aware of any devices in our environment (or other = environments >>>> I am aware of) that follow this model, so, in my vote, this is a = NOOP. >>>>=20 >>>> Chris >>>>=20 >>>> >>>>=20 >>>> On 28Mar2011, at 18.58, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Hi, >>>>>=20 >>>>> as mentioned today in the OPSAWG meeting, there is one open item = in >>>>> draft-ietf-opsawg-automated-network-configuration-00 where I am >>>>> looking for input. The scenario is as follows: >>>>>=20 >>>>> A device, after picking up basic IP connectivity (e.g. via DHCP) = and >>>>> before looking for a configuration server, sets up a VPN in order = to >>>>> tunnel traffic into the service provider's network. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I am looking for input whether this is done somewhere in practice = and >>>>> if so I would very much appreciate pointers to any relevant = documents >>>>> or simply help in writing text describing details how this works. >>>>>=20 >>>>> If I do not receive concrete input in the coming say three weeks, = I >>>>> will remove the open issue from the docment since this usage of = VPNs >>>>> might not be operationally relevant and I prefer to finish up this >>>>> document. >>>>>=20 >>>>> /js >>>>>=20 >>>>> --=20 >>>>> Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >>>>> Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, = Germany >>>>> Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OPSAWG mailing list >>>>> OPSAWG@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >>>>=20 >>>> --- >>>> =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF >>>> Check my PGP key here: >>>> https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OPSAWG mailing list >>>> OPSAWG@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >>>=20 >>=20 >> --- >> =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF >> Check my PGP key here: >> https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc >>=20 >=20 --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-967-972971099 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Chris

On = 29Mar2011, at 23.26, Joel Jaeggli wrote:

On = 3/28/11 5:56 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote:
I stand corrected.  Any thoughts on what Juergen may = need to consider?

so the question normally applied = to such a scenario, is building a
tunnel before you've established a = trust relationship implies
pre-configuration or blind trust, the = latter obviously has some
limitations, they may be acceptable (pretty = good security or ssh as an
example is illustrative) but it certainly = should be used as a general
bootstrapping method post initial = configuration.

Chris

On 28Mar2011, = at 23.39, Joel Jaeggli wrote:

I've had devices that in fact do build a tunnel following = dhcp and prior
to the point where they = configure themeselves. they located the = tunnel
endpoint either relying on preconfiguration, dhcp option = or DNS rrs to
locate the controller... aruba = controllers/APs do this.

On 3/28/11 4:13 AM, Christopher = LILJENSTOLPE wrote:
<hat = off>

I am = not aware of any devices in our environment (or other = environments
I am = aware of) that follow this model, so, in my vote, this is a = NOOP.

Chris

</hat= off>

On = 28Mar2011, at 18.58, Juergen Schoenwaelder = wrote:

Hi,
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">

as mentioned today in the OPSAWG = meeting, there is one open item = in
draft-ietf-opsawg-automated-network-configuration-00 where = I am
looking for input. The scenario = is as = follows:

A device, after picking up basic = IP connectivity (e.g. via DHCP) = and
before looking for a = configuration server, sets up a VPN in order = to
tunnel traffic into the service = provider's = network.

I am looking for input whether = this is done somewhere in practice = and
if so I would very much = appreciate pointers to any relevant = documents
or simply help in writing text = describing details how this = works.

If I do not receive concrete = input in the coming say three weeks, = I
will remove the open issue from = the docment since this usage of = VPNs
might not be operationally = relevant and I prefer to finish up = this
document.

/js
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">

-- =
Juergen Schoenwaelder =           Jacobs = University Bremen = gGmbH
Phone: +49 421 200 3587 =         Campus Ring 1, 28759 = Bremen, = Germany
Fax:   +49 421 200 = 3103         <http://www.jacobs-university.de/= >
_______________________________________________
OPSAWG mailing = list
OPSAWG@ietf.org <mailto:OPSAWG@ietf.org> <mailto:OPSAWG@ietf.org>
https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/opsawg

---
=E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF
Check my PGP key = here:
https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl= /cdl.asc



_______________________________________________
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OPSAWG@ietf.org <mailto:OPSAWG@ietf.org>
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Any thoughts on what Juergen may need to consider? > > so the question normally applied to such a scenario, is building a > tunnel before you've established a trust relationship implies > pre-configuration or blind trust, the latter obviously has some > limitations, they may be acceptable (pretty good security or ssh as an > example is illustrative) but it certainly should be used as a general ^ should (not) be > bootstrapping method post initial configuration. > From ning.so@verizonbusiness.com Tue Mar 29 06:52:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A664E3A697E for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: 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ASHSRV141.mcilink.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:07:14 +0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:07:10 +0000 Message-id: <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE2379@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-topic: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Thread-index: Acvt3oI5i6qQGJvQTw6c93XzwhgZCQAAsVJgAAmIrXAABHG7IA== References: <64B30A84-211A-429A-9253-57477F4877ED@iijlab.net> <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> From: "So, Ning" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Keiichi SHIMA , Bhumip Khasnabish X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2011 14:07:14.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A9BC010:01CBEE1A] Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp, lisamariedewar@googlemail.com, Michael.Fargano@qwest.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, mark.carlson@oracle.com, snaiksat@cisco.com, zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn, rnatale@mitre.org, John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com, opsawg@ietf.org, masum@cisco.com, sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com, vishwas@ipinfusion.com, surenck@gmail.com, li.mingdong@zte.com.cn, meng.yu@zte.com.cn, j-mambretti@northwestern.edu, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, "Zeltsan, Zachary" , ma.suan@zte.com.cn, marcelo@it.uc3m.es, hu.jie@zte.com.cn, TSridhar@ieee.org, carlw@mcsr-labs.org, igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com, lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn, mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com, ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org, henry.yu@twtelecom.com, wang.jun17@zte.com.cn, marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com, shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn, paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com, fjlin@research.telcordia.com, "Steiner, Moritz" , Subir Das , samj@samj.net, chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn, dani@computados.com, shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com, daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com, ajse@tid.es, arojoy@forcetech.net, yaomin.chen@sun.com, Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn, Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com, ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:05:54 -0000 Dan, As my understanding, if a draft has OPS area implication (regardless large or small implication), shouldn't we first discuss and present the drafts and issues in OPSAWG first, and then OPSAWG send the accepted requirements to other appropriate WGs for protocol development? That is my understanding, as well as the public feedback I got from L2VPN WG chair when I presented the VPN-o-CS draft there this morning. If that is correct, then the discussions and presentations in OPSAWG may very well include un-OPS area related issues. Otherwise we fall back to where we were before there was a home for the cloud drafts. Please advise.=20 =20 Best regards, =20 Ning So Network Evolution Planning Verizon, Inc. (office) 972-729-7905 (Cell) 972-955-0914 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:55 AM To: So, Ning; Keiichi SHIMA; Bhumip Khasnabish Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; snaiksat@cisco.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; opsawg@ietf.org; masum@cisco.com; sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner, Moritz; Subir Das; samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; ksankar@cisco.com; Ron Bonica; Scott Bradner; Chris Liljenstolpe Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Hi,=20 Thanks, Ning for the clarification.=20 One point of clarification is needed though. The OPSAWG is discussing area-wide work for the OPS area as well as smaller incremental specifications related to existing work in the area. I think it is fine to bring here all clouds and data center operational and management issues, but things that are not related to the OPS area scope should be brought some other place.=20 If you have any questions on this please approach me, Ron, Scott or Chris.=20 Regards, Dan=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of So, Ning > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:32 AM > To: Keiichi SHIMA; Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es;=20 > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com;=20 > spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;=20 > snaiksat@cisco.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;=20 > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;=20 > opsawg@ietf.org; masum@cisco.com; sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com;=20 > vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;=20 > meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu;=20 > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn;=20 > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;=20 > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org;=20 > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn;=20 > marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner, Moritz; Subir Das;=20 > samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com;=20 > shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com;=20 > ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com;=20 > rnatale@mitre.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; ksankar@cisco.com > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and > 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 > All, >=20 > Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and=20 > the in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG=20 > for now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting=20 > today. It is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation=20 > could not be presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to=20 > remind everyone to follow the IETF procedure and upload the drafts=20 > before deadline, and request the presentation slots properly. >=20 > OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are=20 > looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center=20 > related work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list=20 > discussion, to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I=20 > think that's a good and fair instruction. Now the work has an=20 > official IETF home, so I strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto=20 > the OPSAWG mail list if you have not already done so, and freely open=20 > up any dialog you may have in > Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future > Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other=20 > channels of unofficial communication. >=20 > I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort=20 > may not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. > Please feel free to contact > me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to help. =20 >=20 > =20 > Best regards, > =20 > Ning So > Network Evolution Planning > Verizon, Inc. > (office) 972-729-7905 > (Cell) 972-955-0914 > =20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;=20 > surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn;=20 > ma.suan@zte.com.cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn;=20 > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com;=20 > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp;=20 > hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com;=20 > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com;=20 > thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es;=20 > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;=20 > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca;=20 > Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; > yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com;=20 > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com;=20 > snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;=20 > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;=20 > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;=20 > ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp;=20 > marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner,=20 > Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary > Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: >=20 > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) > during lunch > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. >=20 > I wonder if the above meeting is still planned or not. If planned, is > there any information of the room? >=20 > --- > Keiichi SHIMA > Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute =20 > WIDE Project >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: >=20 > > We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related > presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at=20 > the following URL.. > >=20 > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt > > =20 > > =20 > > I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we > can have {3, > 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. > > =20 > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) > during lunch > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. > > =20 > > Thanks. > > =20 > > Best. > > =20 > > Bhumip > > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >=20 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Tue Mar 29 07:22:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7713A68BC for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:22:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.042, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Zc73Tw8z87u for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB6A3A6A20 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B208AC0030; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:23:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YkPX581DLHwi; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:23:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A00BC002B; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:23:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6285C174C3B2; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:23:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:23:47 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" Message-ID: <20110329142347.GB27857@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" , opsawg@ietf.org References: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA7D4@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA7D4@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Further steps for draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:22:15 -0000 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 01:51:46PM +0200, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: > - We need to add missing standard MIB modules into section 4 per > management task. Please comment on missing parts. You also need to take out things that are apparently not widely used such as for example RFC 2720. I still believe that the level of detail in section 2.1.4 is out of proportion and should be further reduced. Provide pointers to the relevant documents for the various security services but avoid going into details about thread models and security services. We do not do this for other protocols either. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Tue Mar 29 07:50:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602E23A67AB for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:50:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.56 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.605, BAYES_00=-2.599, FB_WORD2_END_DOLLAR=3.294, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DKKm1miHV5wa for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9813A682B for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27543C0351 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:52:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3e0AAW2YJgt3; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:52:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC0CC02EA; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:52:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id C79FE174C50A; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:52:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:52:31 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: opsawg@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110329145231.GC27857@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: opsawg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [OPSAWG] snmp data model (mib) overview X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:50:59 -0000 Hi, I made the statement that explaining the IETF data models along FCAPS does not really work well and that we may mislead people to believe data modeling work within the IETF is organized around FCAPS, which has not been the case for the last 15 years as far as I can tell. There was also a comment made by someone after the WG meeting that different protocols support vastly different data models and that is also a result of what the protocols were designed to do well. Taking this together, I suggest to describe the data models for the various protocols, focussing on the more widely implemented models (and yes it is somewhat subjective how we establish what should be included/excluded). In order to add some substance, here is a first quick rough writeup how I conceptually structure the many SNMP MIB modules we produced over the years: * SNMP Data Models ** basic infrastructure - interfaces (IF-MIB) - physical entities (ENTITY-MIB) ** transmission - MIB modules for transmission technologies (ADSL, VDSL, MPLS, ...) ** network layer - MIB modules for the IP network layer (IP-MIB, IP-FORWARD-MIB, DIFFSERV-MIB$ - MIB modules for routing protocols (BGP4, OSPFv3, ...) ** transport layers - MIB modules covering the IP transport layer (TCP-MIB, TCP-ESTATS-MIB, UDP-MIB, SCTP-MIB, ...) ** management and monitoring - SNMP modules (point to RFC 3410) - RMON family of MIB modules (point to RFC 3577) - DISMAN family of MIB modules (not sure they need to be mentioned) ** application protocols and special devices - application protocols (SIP, ...) - special devices (Printer-MIB, ...) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From mehmet.ersue@nsn.com Tue Mar 29 07:52:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C2F3A687E for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:52:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.563 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.563 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.036, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x6QQ2aCunGaT for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325A93A687B for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2TErnA6025950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:53:50 +0200 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (demuexc022.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2TErnBq007898; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:53:49 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.103]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:53:46 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:53:45 +0200 Message-ID: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDAC2D@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> In-Reply-To: <20110329142347.GB27857@elstar.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Further steps for draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds Thread-Index: AcvuHO4fYUSltuXDTmm2/F7tJmpkKwAAjgHw References: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA7D4@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> <20110329142347.GB27857@elstar.local> From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2011 14:53:46.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AE07440:01CBEE21] Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Further steps for draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:52:14 -0000 Juergen, thank you for your comments. Can you please elaborate a bit on: > Provide pointers to the > relevant documents for the various security services but avoid going > into details about thread models and security services.=20 The change log of draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00 says:=20 "Added security discussion to all relevant sections" and I was hoping=20 that I addressed this already. http://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/rfcdiff.pyht?url1=3Dhttp://tools.ietf= . org/id/draft-ersue-opsawg-management-fw-03.txt&url2=3Dhttp://tools.ietf.o= r g/id/draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00.txt=20 Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs- > university.de] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:24 PM > To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Further steps for draft-ietf-opsawg-management- > stds >=20 > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 01:51:46PM +0200, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - > DE/Munich) wrote: >=20 > > - We need to add missing standard MIB modules into section 4 per > > management task. Please comment on missing parts. >=20 > You also need to take out things that are apparently not widely used > such as for example RFC 2720. >=20 > I still believe that the level of detail in section 2.1.4 is out of > proportion and should be further reduced. Provide pointers to the > relevant documents for the various security services but avoid going > into details about thread models and security services. We do not do > this for other protocols either. >=20 > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Tue Mar 29 07:55:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669B63A68BB for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:55:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.062, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IKuuRxOSILJs for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC4B3A68B8 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64631C007B; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:57:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S543yCtmwkvD; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:57:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3E0C002B; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:57:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 23E22174C60D; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:57:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:57:30 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" Message-ID: <20110329145730.GB28084@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" , opsawg@ietf.org References: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA7D4@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> <20110329142347.GB27857@elstar.local> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDAC2D@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDAC2D@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Further steps for draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:55:57 -0000 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 04:53:45PM +0200, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: > Juergen, > > thank you for your comments. > > Can you please elaborate a bit on: > > > Provide pointers to the > > relevant documents for the various security services but avoid going > > into details about thread models and security services. > > The change log of draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-00 says: > "Added security discussion to all relevant sections" and I was hoping > that I addressed this already. Instead of having long discussion about SNMP security threads etc, point to the relevant SNMP specifications. That is what I meant. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From alberto.tempiabonda@telecomitalia.it Tue Mar 29 08:26:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C8D3A6989 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:26:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x7Z5X-T7hmCe for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GRFEDG702BA020.telecomitalia.it (grfedg702ba020.telecomitalia.it [156.54.233.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EEE3A6A42 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GRFHUB701BA020.griffon.local (10.188.101.111) by GRFEDG702BA020.telecomitalia.it (10.188.45.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:27:51 +0200 Received: from GRFMBX702BA020.griffon.local ([10.188.101.11]) by grfhub701ba020.griffon.local ([10.188.101.111]) with mapi; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:27:51 +0200 From: Tempia Bonda Alberto To: "opsawg@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:27:50 +0200 Thread-Topic: Discussion about draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m-00 Thread-Index: AcvuJeAkBn//5cU1TEufHZsvJx0grw== Message-ID: <9FCB2ACF14591E4DAF4180D4010E3618A7CB9696EF@GRFMBX702BA020.griffon.local> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: it-IT, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Capello Alessandro Subject: [OPSAWG] Discussion about draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m-00 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:26:33 -0000 Hi All, after the presentation of draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m-00 in the OPSAWG session = on Monday, there were several comments/questions but not time to address th= em. I'll try to recap and comment those of them that I can remember. If the= re is something I've missed, please let me know. - What happens in case of load balancing among several parallel paths? ATB> As described in the draft, the method can perform flow-based or link-b= ased measurement. Load balancing affects only the former case because the l= atter refers to a measurement on a single link. In case the flows we are mo= nitoring follow different paths, but share the same ingress and egress rout= ers, we can perform E2E monitoring on the aggregated traffic, while on each= intermediate router, where only a subset of the flows may be present (beca= use of load balancing) we can only perform a link-by-link measurement (but = we cannot compare intermediate counters with ingress and egress counters). - How to monitor several flows that share the same ingress point but have d= ifferent egress routers? ATB> In this case we cannot have a single E2E measurement for the set of fl= ows aggregated together, we can perform only link-by-link measurement or we= have to perform E2E measurement on each flow separately. - What happens in case of link failure and re-routing? ATB> When a link fails and traffic is rerouted, synchronization is lost on = the failed link and there is a transitory during which correlations between= counters cannot be made on that link. However, measurements will be valid = again as soon as the network converges. In addition, E2E measurement is not= affected by failures on intermediate links/nodes and is indeed able to mea= sure how many packets were lost during the failure. - What happens in case of out-of-sequence packets arriving in the wrong blo= ck? ATB> Out-of-sequence packets are not a problem because we don't need to com= pare counters of a block as soon as the block ends, but we can read them af= ter a while. For example let's imagine each block lasts 3 minutes: Block1 s= tarts at time 0:00 and ends at time 3:00, Block2 ends at time 6:00, Block3 = ends at time 9:00 and so on. We don't need to count the number of packets o= f Block1 exactly at time 3:00, we can do it at time 3:15, so that we are su= re to include in the counter also delayed packets. It doesn't matter if som= e packets of Block1 arrive in Block2 because they have a different color an= d cannot be confused. It would be a problem if packets of Block1 arrived in= Block3 (since we use only 2 colors, Block1 and Block3 have the same color)= , but this can be avoided by choosing block duration long enough. - The amount of data routers need to process can be very high. ATB> The information a router needs to collect is just a counter (actually = 2 counters, one for each color) for each interface where the monitoring is = activated and for each flow (or set of flows) we want to monitor. Its numbe= r depends therefore on the number of flows we are monitoring on that node, = however the router is not required to make all the correlations, it can jus= t send the values to an external system which collects data, makes correlat= ion and visualizes results. With a similar approach we have tested the moni= toring with 300 counters involved in a single router and we haven't seen an= y impact on the router's CPU and memory. Hope to have answered to your points. Regards, Alberto Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle per= sone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dall= a conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abb= iate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di dar= ne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione= , Grazie. This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileged = information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, pri= nting or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended r= ecipient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the sen= der by return e-mail, Thanks. From dromasca@avaya.com Tue Mar 29 08:38:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26E03A687E for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:38:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.459, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gmEZ8ZnpbirG for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFAB3A6801 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:38:22 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvYAAFMtcU2HCzI1/2dsb2JhbACYKo47dKR5ApkWAoMWgkkEkAyDAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,263,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="271942338" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 29 Mar 2011 11:39:44 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,263,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="632518942" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 29 Mar 2011 11:39:38 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:39:16 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE2379@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Thread-Index: Acvt3oI5i6qQGJvQTw6c93XzwhgZCQAAsVJgAAmIrXAABHG7IAADc08g References: <64B30A84-211A-429A-9253-57477F4877ED@iijlab.net> <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE2379@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "So, Ning" , "Keiichi SHIMA" , "Bhumip Khasnabish" Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp, lisamariedewar@googlemail.com, Michael.Fargano@qwest.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, mark.carlson@oracle.com, snaiksat@cisco.com, zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn, rnatale@mitre.org, John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com, opsawg@ietf.org, masum@cisco.com, sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com, vishwas@ipinfusion.com, surenck@gmail.com, li.mingdong@zte.com.cn, meng.yu@zte.com.cn, j-mambretti@northwestern.edu, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, "Zeltsan, Zachary" , ma.suan@zte.com.cn, marcelo@it.uc3m.es, hu.jie@zte.com.cn, TSridhar@ieee.org, carlw@mcsr-labs.org, igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com, lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn, mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com, ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org, henry.yu@twtelecom.com, wang.jun17@zte.com.cn, marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com, shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn, paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com, fjlin@research.telcordia.com, "Steiner, Moritz" , Subir Das , samj@samj.net, chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn, dani@computados.com, shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com, daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com, ajse@tid.es, arojoy@forcetech.net, yaomin.chen@sun.com, Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn, Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com, ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:38:25 -0000 Hi Ning,=20 Yes - IF the draft has OPS area implications. Not all current and future Cloud related IETF drafts and discussions have OPS area implications.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: So, Ning [mailto:ning.so@verizonbusiness.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:07 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Keiichi SHIMA; Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es;=20 > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com;=20 > spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;=20 > snaiksat@cisco.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;=20 > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;=20 > opsawg@ietf.org; masum@cisco.com;=20 > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; vishwas@ipinfusion.com;=20 > surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;=20 > meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu;=20 > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn;=20 > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;=20 > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org;=20 > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn;=20 > marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com;=20 > fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner, Moritz; Subir Das;=20 > samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com;=20 > shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;=20 > daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; ajse@tid.es;=20 > arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org;=20 > henry.yu@twtelecom.com; ksankar@cisco.com; Ron Bonica; Scott=20 > Bradner; Chris Liljenstolpe > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and=20 > 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 > Dan, >=20 > As my understanding, if a draft has OPS area implication=20 > (regardless large or small implication), shouldn't we first=20 > discuss and present the drafts and issues in OPSAWG first,=20 > and then OPSAWG send the accepted requirements to other=20 > appropriate WGs for protocol development? That is my=20 > understanding, as well as the public feedback I got from=20 > L2VPN WG chair when I presented the VPN-o-CS draft there this morning. >=20 > If that is correct, then the discussions and presentations in=20 > OPSAWG may very well include un-OPS area related issues. =20 > Otherwise we fall back to where we were before there was a=20 > home for the cloud drafts. Please advise.=20 > =20 > Best regards, > =20 > Ning So > Network Evolution Planning > Verizon, Inc. > (office) 972-729-7905 > (Cell) 972-955-0914 > =20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:55 AM > To: So, Ning; Keiichi SHIMA; Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es;=20 > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com;=20 > spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;=20 > snaiksat@cisco.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;=20 > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;=20 > opsawg@ietf.org; masum@cisco.com;=20 > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; vishwas@ipinfusion.com;=20 > surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;=20 > meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu;=20 > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn;=20 > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;=20 > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org;=20 > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn;=20 > marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com;=20 > fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner, Moritz; Subir Das;=20 > samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com;=20 > shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;=20 > daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; ajse@tid.es;=20 > arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org;=20 > henry.yu@twtelecom.com; ksankar@cisco.com; Ron Bonica; Scott=20 > Bradner; Chris Liljenstolpe > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and=20 > 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi,=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Ning for the clarification.=20 >=20 > One point of clarification is needed though. The OPSAWG is=20 > discussing area-wide work for the OPS area as well as smaller=20 > incremental specifications related to existing work in the=20 > area. I think it is fine to bring here all clouds and data=20 > center operational and management issues, but things that are=20 > not related to the OPS area scope should be brought some other place.=20 >=20 > If you have any questions on this please approach me, Ron,=20 > Scott or Chris.=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Dan=20 > =20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of So, Ning > > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:32 AM > > To: Keiichi SHIMA; Bhumip Khasnabish > > Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es;=20 > > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com;=20 > > spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;=20 > > snaiksat@cisco.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;=20 > > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;=20 > > opsawg@ietf.org; masum@cisco.com; sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com;=20 > > vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;=20 > > meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu;=20 > > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn;=20 > > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;=20 > > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org;=20 > > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn;=20 > > marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > > fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner, Moritz; Subir Das;=20 > > samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com;=20 > > shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com;=20 > > ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com;=20 > > rnatale@mitre.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; ksankar@cisco.com > > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and > > 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin > >=20 > > All, > >=20 > > Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and=20 > > the in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done=20 > in OPSAWG=20 > > for now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting=20 > > today. It is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related=20 > presentation=20 > > could not be presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to=20 > > remind everyone to follow the IETF procedure and upload the drafts=20 > > before deadline, and request the presentation slots properly. > >=20 > > OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are=20 > > looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center=20 > > related work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list=20 > > discussion, to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I=20 > > think that's a good and fair instruction. Now the work has an=20 > > official IETF home, so I strongly encourage everyone to=20 > sign up onto=20 > > the OPSAWG mail list if you have not already done so, and=20 > freely open=20 > > up any dialog you may have in > > Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future > > Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other=20 > > channels of unofficial communication. > >=20 > > I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort=20 > > may not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. > > Please feel free to contact > > me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best=20 > to help. =20 > >=20 > > =20 > > Best regards, > > =20 > > Ning So > > Network Evolution Planning > > Verizon, Inc. > > (office) 972-729-7905 > > (Cell) 972-955-0914 > > =20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM > > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > > Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;=20 > > surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > > samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com;=20 > chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn;=20 > > ma.suan@zte.com.cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn;=20 > > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com;=20 > > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp;=20 > > hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com;=20 > > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com;=20 > > thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es;=20 > > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;=20 > > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca;=20 > > Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; TSridhar@ieee.org;=20 > mark.carlson@oracle.com;=20 > > yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com;=20 > > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com;=20 > > snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;=20 > > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;=20 > > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;=20 > > ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp;=20 > > marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner,=20 > > Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary > > Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin > >=20 > > Hi all, > >=20 > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > >=20 > > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) > > during lunch > > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. > >=20 > > I wonder if the above meeting is still planned or not. If=20 > planned, is=20 > > there any information of the room? > >=20 > > --- > > Keiichi SHIMA > > Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute =20 > > WIDE Project > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > >=20 > > > We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and=20 > VNM related > > presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at=20 > > the following URL.. > > >=20 > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt > > > =20 > > > =20 > > > I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we > > can have {3, > > 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. > > > =20 > > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) > > during lunch > > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. > > > =20 > > > Thanks. > > > =20 > > > Best. > > > =20 > > > Bhumip > > > =20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > OPSAWG mailing list > > OPSAWG@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > >=20 >=20 From vumip1@gmail.com Tue Mar 29 15:57:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8103A6ACC for ; 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charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center operations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so immediately. We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg mailing list. Thanks again. Best. Bhumip On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: > Greetings Ning et al, > > Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later (so = we > can gauge the level of activity here). Also, as this is the operations w= g, > we would really like to see input from operators who are using (or > attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the issues are, for > example. Theory is great, practice is better :) > > Thank's, > Chris > > > > On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote: > > All, > > Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and the > in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for > now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today. It > is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be > presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to remind everyone to > follow the IETF procedure and upload the drafts before deadline, and > request the presentation slots properly. > > OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are > looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center related > work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discussion, > to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I think that's a > good and fair instruction. Now the work has an official IETF home, so I > strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you > have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in > Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future > Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other > channels of unofficial communication. > > I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may > not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. Please feel free to contact > me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to help. > > > Best regards, > > Ning So > Network Evolution Planning > Verizon, Inc. > (office) 972-729-7905 > (Cell) 972-955-0914 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; > surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; > samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; > ma.suan@zte.com.cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com; > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp; > hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com; > thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es; > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; > Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; > yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com; > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; > snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; > ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp; > marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner, > Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary > Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin > > Hi all, > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch > > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. > > I wonder if the above meeting is still planned or not. If planned, is > there any information of the room? > > --- > Keiichi SHIMA > Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute WIDE > Project > > > > > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > > We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related > > presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at the > following URL.. > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt > > > > I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3, > > 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. > > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch > > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. > > > Thanks. > > > Best. > > > Bhumip > > > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > > > --- > =C0=EE=BF=C2=EE=A3 > Check my PGP key here: > https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc > > --20cf303b3cd956e418049fa7017a Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center op= erations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so immedia= tely.
 
We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg = mailing list.
 
Thanks again.
 
Best.
 
Bhumip
 
 
 
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <cdl@asgaard.org>= wrote:
Greetings Ning et al,=20

Please do start the activ= ity on the mailing list sooner rather later (so we can gauge the level of a= ctivity here).  Also, as this is the operations wg, we would really li= ke to see input from operators who are using (or attempting) to use this te= chnology in anger, and what the issues are, for example.  Theory is gr= eat, practice is better :)

Thank's,
Chris



On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote:

All,

Given the clear direction from APS AD during = the OPSAWG meeting and the
in room discussion, all DCOPS related work wi= ll be done in OPSAWG for
now.  I do not see the needs to have anoth= er separate meeting today.  It
is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be
= presented at this IETF meeting.  I will make sure to remind everyone t= o
follow the IETF procedure and upload the drafts before deadline, and request the presentation slots properly.  

OPS AD and OPSAWG ch= air indicated during the meeting that they are
looking for signs of sign= ificant activity for Cloud/Data center related
work, both from drafts (n= ot presentations), and e-mail list discussion,
to determine the needs for a separate WG.  Personally I think that'= ;s a
good and fair instruction.  Now the work has an official IETF = home, so I
strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail l= ist if you
have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in
= Cloud Data Center related issues.   We should try to move all fut= ure
Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all otherchannels of unofficial communication.

I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may=
not be totally clear on the IETF procedure.  Please feel free to c= ontact
me directly if you have any questions.  I will try my best t= o help.   


Best regards,

Ning So
Network Evolution Planning
Veriz= on, Inc.
(office) 972-729-7905
(Cell) 972-955-0914


-----Or= iginal Message-----
From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM
To: Bhumip Khasnabish
Cc: Keiic= hi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;
surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;
samj@samj.net; fjlin@research= .telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn;
ma.suan@zte.com.cn<= /a>; wang.jun17@= zte.com.cn; men= g.yu@zte.com.cn;
hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com= ; mmorrow@cisco.com<= /a>;
j-mambret= ti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp;
hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgro= up.com;
igor.= faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com;
mike.mangi= no@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com;
John.M.He= inz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com;
thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; = ajse@tid.es;
lisamari= edewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;
vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; <= a href=3D"mailto:marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca" target=3D"_blank">marc.blanchet= @viagenie.ca;
Michael.Farg= ano@qwest.com; T= Sridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;
yaomin.chen@sun.co= m; rnatale@mitre= .org; ksankar@ci= sco.com;
sundar.iy= er@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com;
snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;
Zheng= ping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;
shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn= ;
ashutosh.dutta= @ieee.org; = vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp;
marcelo@it.uc3m.es<= /a>; spencer= @wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner,
Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary
= Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on
Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin

Hi all,

On Mar 27, 20= 11, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote:

We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-Mar= ch2011) during lunch
break, if possible/needed, will let yo= u know the room number later.

I wonder if the above meeting is still= planned or not.  If planned, is
there any information of the room?

---
Keiichi SHIMA
Research = Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute  <keiichi@iijlab.net> WIDE
Project <= shima@wide.ad.jp&= gt;





On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote:<= br>
We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataC= enter, and VNM related
presentations during this mtg.; the = detailed agenda can be found at the
following URL..

 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/= agenda/opsawg.txt


I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so = that we can have {3,
4, and 8} presentations in one cluster= .

We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-Mar= ch2011) during lunch
break, if possible/needed, will let yo= u know the room number later.

Thanks.

Best.

Bhumip


________________= _______________________________
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OPSAWG@ietf.org
https://www.ietf= .org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg

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=C0=EE=BF=C2=EE=A3
Check my PGP key here:
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  --20cf303b3cd956e418049fa7017a-- From paduffy@cisco.com Tue Mar 29 16:15:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176563A6A92 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:15:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2OGus2hYoGCy for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EEB3A6992 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:15:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=paduffy@cisco.com; l=3927; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1301440628; x=1302650228; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+xh+rf53SwYtClvunrwEbX6idaBp0Vr0RiTUjQoiNO8=; b=BaPlPlTT+R+CYAuHg3hh9tGJCUAe7yp0r4laAEwHBEQUCnGFA+LJJBKu nn1RrQTVYYoeSvW48l+cWYx9lT5aSutHBmu1YzM8rh3iwfIVu2Z2/Q3Py NNdKY26CuRCqHT07xIsP1hFAFrgl5P0Tp0Iw1etLGzxBPvzsv/lyvVISn 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEBABRokk2tJV2b/2dsb2JhbACYEY1Ad6B1gnAOAZlohWoEjQKDVIMr X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,265,1299456000"; d="scan'208";a="420585032" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Mar 2011 23:16:32 +0000 Received: from [161.44.65.120] ([161.44.65.120]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2TNGVib020569; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:16:31 GMT Message-ID: <4D92684F.8040300@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:16:31 -0400 From: Paul Duffy Organization: Cisco Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" References: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA830@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> In-Reply-To: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA830@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: masahiro.yoshizawa.bt@hitachi.com, opsawg@ietf.org, "Linowski, Bernd \(EXT-Other - DE\)" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel WAS:FW: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: paduffy@cisco.com List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:15:31 -0000 Hi Mehmet, Can you help me understand what compelling advantages YANG offers versus working with native XML schema / modeling tools? Is YANG simply an SMI-like veneer atop XSD? I'm struggling to understand why I would go down a YANG path. Thanks On 3/29/2011 8:13 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: > Dear Hideki, > > as I commented in the OPSAWG session on Monday morning I would see it > valuable if you would use YANG as the modeling language for the > information model in your draft. > > I believe the YANG extension for Complex Types, which has been published > today (a few hours ago :) as RFC 6095, will further ease your life as it > supports the top-down modeling approach with class inheritance. Base > classes you are using are already defined in this RFC and can be further > reused. > > Please let me and Bernd know if you need help for modeling with YANG and > its extensions. > > PS: Please check http://code.google.com/p/pyang-ct/ for an open source > validation tool for YANG Complex Types. > > Cheers, > Mehmet > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext > rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:51 AM > To: ietf-announce@ietf.org; rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org > Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Subject: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions > > > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 6095 > > Title: Extending YANG with Language Abstractions > Author: B. Linowski, M. Ersue, > S. Kuryla > Status: Experimental > Stream: IETF > Date: March 2011 > Mailbox: bernd.linowski.ext@nsn.com, > mehmet.ersue@nsn.com, > s.kuryla@gmail.com > Pages: 75 > Characters: 140259 > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None > > I-D Tag: draft-linowski-netmod-yang-abstract-05.txt > > URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6095.txt > > YANG -- the Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) Data Modeling > Language -- supports modeling of a tree of data elements that > represent the configuration and runtime status of a particular > network element managed via NETCONF. This memo suggests enhancing > YANG with supplementary modeling features and language abstractions > with the aim to improve the model extensibility and reuse. > This document defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet > community. > > > EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the > Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any > kind. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested. > Distribution of this memo is unlimited. > > This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. > To subscribe or unsubscribe, see > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist > > For searching the RFC series, see > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. > For downloading RFCs, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. > > Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the > author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. Unless > specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for > unlimited distribution. > > > The RFC Editor Team > Association Management Solutions, LLC > > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > From biermana@Brocade.com Tue Mar 29 22:32:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E073A694F for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:32:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.166 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.166 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.099, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Pf5gD6XIJzz for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-000f0801.pphosted.com (mx0b-000f0801.pphosted.com [67.231.152.113]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9838E3A67F8 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0000700 [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-000f0801.pphosted.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id p2U5WIEL030401; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:34:07 -0700 Received: from hq1-exedge.brocade.com (hq1-exedge.brocade.com [144.49.140.11]) by mx0b-000f0801.pphosted.com with ESMTP id vbru2g9hc-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:34:06 -0700 Received: from HQ1WP-EXHUB01.corp.brocade.com (10.70.36.14) by HQ1WP-EXEDGE01.corp.brocade.com (144.49.140.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:36:16 -0700 Received: from HQ1-EXCH01.corp.brocade.com ([fe80::192e:5a11:9069:7a70]) by HQ1WP-EXHUB01.corp.brocade.com ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:34:05 -0700 From: Andy Bierman To: "paduffy@cisco.com" , "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:34:03 -0700 Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel WAS:FW: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions Thread-Index: AcvuZ3RSpQgPqE0KQN2uaEv+Ha3cxgAM8weg Message-ID: References: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA830@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> <4D92684F.8040300@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4D92684F.8040300@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15, 1.0.148, 0.0.0000 definitions=2011-03-30_02:2011-03-30, 2011-03-30, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=7 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1103290204 Cc: "masahiro.yoshizawa.bt@hitachi.com" , "opsawg@ietf.org" , "Linowski, Bernd \(EXT-Other - DE\)" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel WAS:FW: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:32:36 -0000 Hi, You seem to understand that SMIv2 is the data modeling language used to define content for the SNMP protocol. It contains constructs that allow the SNMP protocol operations to be implemented in an interoperable manner. YANG serves the same purpose for the NETCONF protocol. If you are not using NETCONF, then ignore YANG. YANG does not model XML instance documents like XSD. It models operations, notifications, and datastore content within a NETCONF server. Andy -----Original Message----- From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Paul Duffy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:17 PM To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) Cc: masahiro.yoshizawa.bt@hitachi.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Linowski, Bernd (EX= T-Other - DE) Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in dra= ft-okita-ops-vnetmodel WAS:FW: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abs= tractions Hi Mehmet, Can you help me understand what compelling advantages YANG offers versus=20 working with native XML schema / modeling tools? Is YANG simply an=20 SMI-like veneer atop XSD? I'm struggling to understand why I would go down a YANG path. Thanks On 3/29/2011 8:13 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: > Dear Hideki, > > as I commented in the OPSAWG session on Monday morning I would see it > valuable if you would use YANG as the modeling language for the > information model in your draft. > > I believe the YANG extension for Complex Types, which has been published > today (a few hours ago :) as RFC 6095, will further ease your life as it > supports the top-down modeling approach with class inheritance. Base > classes you are using are already defined in this RFC and can be further > reused. > > Please let me and Bernd know if you need help for modeling with YANG and > its extensions. > > PS: Please check http://code.google.com/p/pyang-ct/ for an open source > validation tool for YANG Complex Types. > > Cheers, > Mehmet > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext > rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:51 AM > To: ietf-announce@ietf.org; rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org > Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Subject: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions > > > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 6095 > > Title: Extending YANG with Language Abstractions > Author: B. Linowski, M. Ersue, > S. Kuryla > Status: Experimental > Stream: IETF > Date: March 2011 > Mailbox: bernd.linowski.ext@nsn.com, > mehmet.ersue@nsn.com, > s.kuryla@gmail.com > Pages: 75 > Characters: 140259 > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None > > I-D Tag: draft-linowski-netmod-yang-abstract-05.txt > > URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6095.txt > > YANG -- the Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) Data Modeling > Language -- supports modeling of a tree of data elements that > represent the configuration and runtime status of a particular > network element managed via NETCONF. This memo suggests enhancing > YANG with supplementary modeling features and language abstractions > with the aim to improve the model extensibility and reuse. > This document defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet > community. > > > EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the > Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any > kind. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested. > Distribution of this memo is unlimited. > > This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. > To subscribe or unsubscribe, see > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist > > For searching the RFC series, see > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. > For downloading RFCs, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. > > Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the > author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. Unless > specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for > unlimited distribution. > > > The RFC Editor Team > Association Management Solutions, LLC > > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > _______________________________________________ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From ning.so@verizonbusiness.com Wed Mar 30 00:35:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37ED43A6B30 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:35:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.034, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n5tj3GdIJ+2e for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ashesmtp02.verizonbusiness.com (ashesmtp02.verizonbusiness.com [198.4.8.166]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11AB53A6B29 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pdcismtp03.vzbi.com ([unknown] [166.40.77.73]) by firewall.verizonbusiness.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LIV00MKL153LB10@firewall.verizonbusiness.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:36:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pdcismtp03.vzbi.com ([unknown] [127.0.0.1]) by pdcismtp03.vzbi.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LIV006FI1539X00@pdcismtp03.vzbi.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:36:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ASHSRV139.mcilink.com ([unknown] [153.39.68.165]) by pdcismtp03.vzbi.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.03 32bit (built May 29 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LIV00663151A400@pdcismtp03.vzbi.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:36:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ASHEVS008.mcilink.com ([153.39.69.129]) by ASHSRV139.mcilink.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:36:37 +0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:36:30 +0000 Message-id: <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE29FE@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-topic: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Thread-index: Acvt3oI5i6qQGJvQTw6c93XzwhgZCQAAsVJgAAmIrXAABHG7IAADc08gACGH6nA= References: <64B30A84-211A-429A-9253-57477F4877ED@iijlab.net> <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE2379@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> From: "So, Ning" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Keiichi SHIMA , Bhumip Khasnabish X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2011 07:36:37.0269 (UTC) FILETIME=[339A3C50:01CBEEAD] Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp, lisamariedewar@googlemail.com, Michael.Fargano@qwest.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, mark.carlson@oracle.com, snaiksat@cisco.com, zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn, rnatale@mitre.org, John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com, opsawg@ietf.org, masum@cisco.com, sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com, vishwas@ipinfusion.com, surenck@gmail.com, li.mingdong@zte.com.cn, meng.yu@zte.com.cn, j-mambretti@northwestern.edu, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, "Zeltsan, Zachary" , ma.suan@zte.com.cn, marcelo@it.uc3m.es, hu.jie@zte.com.cn, TSridhar@ieee.org, carlw@mcsr-labs.org, igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com, lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn, mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com, ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org, henry.yu@twtelecom.com, wang.jun17@zte.com.cn, marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com, shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn, paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com, fjlin@research.telcordia.com, "Steiner, Moritz" , Subir Das , samj@samj.net, chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn, dani@computados.com, shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com, daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com, ajse@tid.es, arojoy@forcetech.net, yaomin.chen@sun.com, Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn, Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com, ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:35:06 -0000 Dan, Certainly. Thanks for the clarification. =20 Best regards, =20 Ning So Network Evolution Planning Verizon, Inc. (office) 972-729-7905 (Cell) 972-955-0914 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:39 AM To: So, Ning; Keiichi SHIMA; Bhumip Khasnabish Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; snaiksat@cisco.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; opsawg@ietf.org; masum@cisco.com; sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner, Moritz; Subir Das; samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; ksankar@cisco.com; Ron Bonica; Scott Bradner; Chris Liljenstolpe Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Hi Ning,=20 Yes - IF the draft has OPS area implications. Not all current and future Cloud related IETF drafts and discussions have OPS area implications.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: So, Ning [mailto:ning.so@verizonbusiness.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:07 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Keiichi SHIMA; Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es;=20 > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com;=20 > spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;=20 > snaiksat@cisco.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;=20 > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;=20 > opsawg@ietf.org; masum@cisco.com; sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com;=20 > vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;=20 > meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu;=20 > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn;=20 > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;=20 > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org;=20 > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn;=20 > marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner, Moritz; Subir Das;=20 > samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com;=20 > shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com;=20 > ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com;=20 > rnatale@mitre.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; ksankar@cisco.com; Ron=20 > Bonica; Scott Bradner; Chris Liljenstolpe > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and > 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 > Dan, >=20 > As my understanding, if a draft has OPS area implication (regardless=20 > large or small implication), shouldn't we first discuss and present=20 > the drafts and issues in OPSAWG first, and then OPSAWG send the=20 > accepted requirements to other appropriate WGs for protocol=20 > development? That is my understanding, as well as the public feedback > I got from L2VPN WG chair when I presented the VPN-o-CS draft there=20 > this morning. >=20 > If that is correct, then the discussions and presentations in OPSAWG=20 > may very well include un-OPS area related issues. > Otherwise we fall back to where we were before there was a home for=20 > the cloud drafts. Please advise. > =20 > Best regards, > =20 > Ning So > Network Evolution Planning > Verizon, Inc. > (office) 972-729-7905 > (Cell) 972-955-0914 > =20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:55 AM > To: So, Ning; Keiichi SHIMA; Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es;=20 > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com;=20 > spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;=20 > snaiksat@cisco.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;=20 > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;=20 > opsawg@ietf.org; masum@cisco.com; sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com;=20 > vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;=20 > meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu;=20 > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn;=20 > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;=20 > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org;=20 > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn;=20 > marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner, Moritz; Subir Das;=20 > samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com;=20 > shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com;=20 > ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com;=20 > rnatale@mitre.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; ksankar@cisco.com; Ron=20 > Bonica; Scott Bradner; Chris Liljenstolpe > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and > 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Ning for the clarification.=20 >=20 > One point of clarification is needed though. The OPSAWG is discussing=20 > area-wide work for the OPS area as well as smaller incremental=20 > specifications related to existing work in the area. I think it is=20 > fine to bring here all clouds and data center operational and=20 > management issues, but things that are not related to the OPS area=20 > scope should be brought some other place. >=20 > If you have any questions on this please approach me, Ron, Scott or=20 > Chris. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Dan > =20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of So, Ning > > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:32 AM > > To: Keiichi SHIMA; Bhumip Khasnabish > > Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es;=20 > > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com;=20 > > spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;=20 > > snaiksat@cisco.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;=20 > > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;=20 > > opsawg@ietf.org; masum@cisco.com; sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com;=20 > > vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;=20 > > meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu;=20 > > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn;=20 > > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;=20 > > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org;=20 > > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn;=20 > > marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > > fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner, Moritz; Subir Das;=20 > > samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com;=20 > > shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com;=20 > > ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com;=20 > > rnatale@mitre.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; ksankar@cisco.com > > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and > > 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin > >=20 > > All, > >=20 > > Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and=20 > > the in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done > in OPSAWG > > for now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting=20 > > today. It is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related > presentation > > could not be presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to=20 > > remind everyone to follow the IETF procedure and upload the drafts=20 > > before deadline, and request the presentation slots properly. > >=20 > > OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are=20 > > looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center=20 > > related work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list=20 > > discussion, to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I=20 > > think that's a good and fair instruction. Now the work has an=20 > > official IETF home, so I strongly encourage everyone to > sign up onto > > the OPSAWG mail list if you have not already done so, and > freely open > > up any dialog you may have in > > Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future > > Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other=20 > > channels of unofficial communication. > >=20 > > I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort=20 > > may not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. > > Please feel free to contact > > me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best > to help. =20 > >=20 > > =20 > > Best regards, > > =20 > > Ning So > > Network Evolution Planning > > Verizon, Inc. > > (office) 972-729-7905 > > (Cell) 972-955-0914 > > =20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM > > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > > Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;=20 > > surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;=20 > > samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; > chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; > > ma.suan@zte.com.cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn;=20 > > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com;=20 > > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp;=20 > > hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;=20 > > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com;=20 > > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com;=20 > > thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es;=20 > > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;=20 > > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca;=20 > > Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; > mark.carlson@oracle.com; > > yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com;=20 > > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com;=20 > > snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;=20 > > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;=20 > > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;=20 > > ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp;=20 > > marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner,=20 > > Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary > > Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin > >=20 > > Hi all, > >=20 > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > >=20 > > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) > > during lunch > > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. > >=20 > > I wonder if the above meeting is still planned or not. If > planned, is > > there any information of the room? > >=20 > > --- > > Keiichi SHIMA > > Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute =20 > > WIDE Project > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > >=20 > > > We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and > VNM related > > presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at=20 > > the following URL.. > > >=20 > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt > > > =20 > > > =20 > > > I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we > > can have {3, > > 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. > > > =20 > > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) > > during lunch > > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. > > > =20 > > > Thanks. > > > =20 > > > Best. > > > =20 > > > Bhumip > > > =20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > OPSAWG mailing list > > OPSAWG@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > >=20 >=20 From mehmet.ersue@nsn.com Wed Mar 30 03:14:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C68628C123 for ; 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Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:15:43 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.103]) by demuexc025.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:15:43 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBEEC3.6D15A559" Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:15:41 +0200 Message-ID: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDB1DB@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Thread-Index: AcvuZPEJr+kT80WGT/WlpbBJSr8v2QAXd+kw References: <64B30A84-211A-429A-9253-57477F4877ED@iijlab.net><14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Bhumip Khasnabish" , "Christopher LILJENSTOLPE" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2011 10:15:43.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D73CC50:01CBEEC3] Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp, Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn, lisamariedewar@googlemail.com, Michael.Fargano@qwest.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, mark.carlson@oracle.com, "Sumit Naiksatam \(snaiksat\)" , zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn, John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com, opsawg@ietf.org, "Masum Hasan \(masum\)" , Sundar K Iyer , Jeff Young , vishwas@ipinfusion.com, surenck@gmail.com, li.mingdong@zte.com.cn, Clive E Webber , meng.yu@zte.com.cn, j-mambretti@northwestern.edu, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, "Zeltsan, Zachary" , ma.suan@zte.com.cn, marcelo@it.uc3m.es, hu.jie@zte.com.cn, TSridhar@ieee.org, carlw@mcsr-labs.org, igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com, lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn, mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com, ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org, Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com, wang.jun17@zte.com.cn, marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com, shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn, paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com, fjlin@research.telcordia.com, "Steiner, Moritz" , Subir Das , samj@samj.net, chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn, dani@computados.com, shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com, Daryl A Bourke , ajse@tid.es, arojoy@forcetech.net, yaomin.chen@sun.com, rnatale@mitre.org, henry.yu@twtelecom.com, ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:14:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEEC3.6D15A559 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in a mail before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a chaotic discussion. I would like to understand first which drafts are there, their aim and goals and their relationship to operations and management. May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs would filter them somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not relevant for OPS area. Cheers, Mehmet From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Bhumip Khasnabish Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:59 AM To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir Das; shige! ru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center operations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so immediately. We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg mailing list. Thanks again. Best. Bhumip On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: Greetings Ning et al, Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later (so we can gauge the level of activity here). Also, as this is the operations wg, we would really like to see input from operators who are using (or attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the issues are, for example. Theory is great, practice is better :) Thank's, Chris On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote: All, Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and the in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today. It is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to remind everyone to follow the IETF procedure and upload the drafts before deadline, and request the presentation slots properly. OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center related work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discussion, to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I think that's a good and fair instruction. Now the work has an official IETF home, so I strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other channels of unofficial communication. I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to help. Best regards, Ning So Network Evolution Planning Verizon, Inc. (office) 972-729-7905 (Cell) 972-955-0914 -----Original Message----- From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM To: Bhumip Khasnabish Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp; hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com; thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com; sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner, Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Hi all, On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. I wonder if the above meeting is still planned or not. If planned, is there any information of the room? --- Keiichi SHIMA Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute WIDE Project On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at the following URL.. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3, 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. Thanks. Best. Bhumip _______________________________________________ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg --- $BM{[IbO(J Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEEC3.6D15A559 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in a mail before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a chaotic discussion.

I would like to understand first which drafts are there, their aim and goals and their relationship to operations and management.

May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs would filter them somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not relevant for OPS area.

 

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Bhumip Khasnabish
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, ! 2011 12: 59 AM
To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; samj@samj.net; chu.jun! sheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir Das; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; ksankar@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin

 

Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center operations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so immediately.

 

We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg mailing list.

 

Thanks again.

 

Best.

 

Bhumip

 

 

 

Greetings Ning et al,

 

Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later (so we can gauge the level of activity here).  Also, as this is the operations wg, we would really like to see input from operators who are using (or attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the issues are, for example.  Theory is great, practice is better! :)

 

Thank's,

Chris

 

 

 

On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote:

 

All,

Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and the
in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for
now.  I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today.  It
is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be
presented at this IETF meeting.  I will make sure to remind everyone to
follow the IETF proc! edure and upload the drafts before deadline, and
request th! e presen tation slots properly.  

OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are
looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center related
work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discussion,
to determine the needs for a separate WG.  Personally I think that's a
good and fair instruction.  Now the work has an official IETF home, so I
strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you
have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in
Cloud Data Center related issues.   We should try to move all future
Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other
channels of unofficial communication.

I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may
not be totally clear on the IETF procedure.  Please feel free to contact
me directly if you have any questions.  I will try my best to hel! p.   


Best regards,

Ning So
Network Evolution Planning
Verizon, Inc.
(office) 972-729-7905
(Cell) 972-955-0914


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From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM
To: Bhumip Khasnabish
Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;
surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;
samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn;
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hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com;
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igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com;
mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com;
John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com;
thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es;
lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;
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yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com;
sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com;
snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;
Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;
shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;
ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp;
marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner,
Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary
Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on
Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin

Hi all,

On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote:


We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch

break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room! number later.

I wonder if the above meeting is still p! lanned o r not.  If planned, is
there any information of the room?

---
Keiichi SHIMA
Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute  <keiichi@iijlab.net> WIDE
Project <shima@wide.ad.jp>





On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote:


We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related

presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at the
following URL..

 

 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt

 

 

I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3,

4, and 8} presentations in one cluster.

 

We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch

break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later.

 

Thanks.

!  

Best.

 

Bhumip

 

 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEEC3.6D15A559-- From mehmet.ersue@nsn.com Wed Mar 30 03:44:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8792F28C133 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:44:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Gkh4wNe5vg8 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848EF28C0DB for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2UAkGrH002429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:46:16 +0200 Received: from demuexc025.nsn-intra.net (demuexc025.nsn-intra.net [10.159.32.12]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2UAkEl5028811; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:46:16 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.103]) by demuexc025.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:46:16 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:45:21 +0200 Message-ID: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDB23B@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types indraft-okita-ops-vnetmodel WAS:FW: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions Thread-Index: AcvuZ3RSpQgPqE0KQN2uaEv+Ha3cxgAM8wegAAoNLyA= References: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA830@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> <4D92684F.8040300@cisco.com> From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Andy Bierman" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2011 10:46:16.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[B21479A0:01CBEEC7] Cc: masahiro.yoshizawa.bt@hitachi.com, opsawg@ietf.org, "Linowski, Bernd \(EXT-Other - DE\)" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types indraft-okita-ops-vnetmodel WAS:FW: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:44:50 -0000 Dear Paul, if you want to do configuration management you should consider to use NETCONF as it has been specialized for configuration management and provides substantial improvements compared to SNMP for configuration. Actually YANG and NETCONF are a well-designed pair and YANG is the "NETCONF modeling language". There are many reasons why we developed YANG. Some of them are: - YANG uses many years of experience with proprietary NETCONF data modeling languages at IETF and lessons learned from SMIv2 and the SMIng project=20 - YANG has a trivial syntax, is text-based, "human-readable" and easy to learn but is still sufficiently flexible and extensible - YANG sees the data model as a contract between the device and the application - follows SMIv2 model and allows modules to be published independently - provides protocol-specific data model definition - maps directly to XML content (on the wire) - YANG is specialized for defining configuration models: - prepared as a modeling for conceptual datastore(s) as in SNMP/NETCONF - distinguishes between read-only and read-write data - provides full support for keys (!!) - provides advanced features for configuration module modeling:=20 - formal description of the conceptual data within NETCONF configuration datastores - transactions (!!!) with partial-locking of a datastore - custom RPCs and notifications Last but not least the Experimental RFC 6095 goes one step further and provides YANG language extensions for Complex Types and Typed Instance Identifiers and aims to ease the life of implementers if they follow a top-down modeling approach and want to use abstract classes and inheritance.=20 There are many open-source tools available for NETCONF and YANG. Please consider to check for implementations and tools: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/netconf/trac/wiki=20 http://www.netconfcentral.org/ http://www.yangcentral.org/ http://code.google.com/p/pyang-ct/ (RFC6095) Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Andy Bierman [mailto:biermana@Brocade.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:34 AM > To: paduffy@cisco.com; Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > Cc: masahiro.yoshizawa.bt@hitachi.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Linowski, Bernd > (EXT-Other - DE) > Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types > indraft-okita-ops-vnetmodel WAS:FW: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with > Language Abstractions >=20 > Hi, >=20 > You seem to understand that SMIv2 is the data modeling language > used to define content for the SNMP protocol. It contains constructs > that allow the SNMP protocol operations to be implemented in an > interoperable manner. >=20 > YANG serves the same purpose for the NETCONF protocol. > If you are not using NETCONF, then ignore YANG. > YANG does not model XML instance documents like XSD. > It models operations, notifications, and datastore content > within a NETCONF server. >=20 >=20 > Andy >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Paul Duffy > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:17 PM > To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > Cc: masahiro.yoshizawa.bt@hitachi.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Linowski, Bernd > (EXT-Other - DE) > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in > draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel WAS:FW: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with > Language Abstractions >=20 > Hi Mehmet, >=20 > Can you help me understand what compelling advantages YANG offers > versus > working with native XML schema / modeling tools? Is YANG simply an > SMI-like veneer atop XSD? >=20 > I'm struggling to understand why I would go down a YANG path. >=20 > Thanks >=20 >=20 > On 3/29/2011 8:13 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: > > Dear Hideki, > > > > as I commented in the OPSAWG session on Monday morning I would see it > > valuable if you would use YANG as the modeling language for the > > information model in your draft. > > > > I believe the YANG extension for Complex Types, which has been > published > > today (a few hours ago :) as RFC 6095, will further ease your life as > it > > supports the top-down modeling approach with class inheritance. Base > > classes you are using are already defined in this RFC and can be > further > > reused. > > > > Please let me and Bernd know if you need help for modeling with YANG > and > > its extensions. > > > > PS: Please check http://code.google.com/p/pyang-ct/ for an open > source > > validation tool for YANG Complex Types. > > > > Cheers, > > Mehmet > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext > > rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:51 AM > > To: ietf-announce@ietf.org; rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org > > Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > > Subject: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions > > > > > > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > > > > RFC 6095 > > > > Title: Extending YANG with Language Abstractions > > Author: B. Linowski, M. Ersue, > > S. Kuryla > > Status: Experimental > > Stream: IETF > > Date: March 2011 > > Mailbox: bernd.linowski.ext@nsn.com, > > mehmet.ersue@nsn.com, > > s.kuryla@gmail.com > > Pages: 75 > > Characters: 140259 > > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None > > > > I-D Tag: draft-linowski-netmod-yang-abstract-05.txt > > > > URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6095.txt > > > > YANG -- the Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) Data Modeling > > Language -- supports modeling of a tree of data elements that > > represent the configuration and runtime status of a particular > > network element managed via NETCONF. This memo suggests enhancing > > YANG with supplementary modeling features and language abstractions > > with the aim to improve the model extensibility and reuse. > > This document defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet > > community. > > > > > > EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the > > Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any > > kind. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested. > > Distribution of this memo is unlimited. > > > > This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, see > > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > > http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist > > > > For searching the RFC series, see > > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. > > For downloading RFCs, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. > > > > Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the > > author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. > Unless > > specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for > > unlimited distribution. > > > > > > The RFC Editor Team > > Association Management Solutions, LLC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IETF-Announce mailing list > > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > > _______________________________________________ > > OPSAWG mailing list > > OPSAWG@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com Wed Mar 30 03:56:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B77028C133 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:56:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.014 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.014 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KT-99sJGM-21 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail9.hitachi.co.jp (mail9.hitachi.co.jp [133.145.228.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098F43A6906 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mlsv8.hitachi.co.jp (unknown [133.144.234.166]) by mail9.hitachi.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC5437C8E; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:58:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from mfilter4.hitachi.co.jp by mlsv8.hitachi.co.jp (8.13.1/8.13.1) id p2UAwJeK009065; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:58:19 +0900 Received: from vshuts2.hitachi.co.jp (vshuts2.hitachi.co.jp [10.201.6.71]) by mfilter4.hitachi.co.jp (Switch-3.3.2/Switch-3.3.2) with ESMTP id p2UAwIwG027581; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:58:19 +0900 X-AuditID: b753bd60-a314bba0000001d0-1a-4d930cca0e95 Received: from gmml25.itg.hitachi.co.jp (unknown [158.213.165.145]) by vshuts2.hitachi.co.jp (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 8ECE98B02C4; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:58:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gmml25.itg.hitachi.co.jp (AIX5.2/8.11.6p2/8.11.0) id p2UAwIg21753878; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:58:18 +0900 Message-Type: Multiple Part MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: From: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:57:51 +0900 References: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA830@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.ne> Priority: normal Importance: normal X400-Content-Identifier: X4D930C9800000M X400-MTS-Identifier: [/C=JP/ADMD=HITNET/PRMD=HITACHI/;gmml28110330195728MLO] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: masahiro.yoshizawa.bt@hitachi.com, opsawg@ietf.org, bernd.linowski.ext@nsn.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:56:43 -0000 Mehmet, Many thanks for your announcement about "Yang extension". As you said, we can now get the draft as RFC 6095 from following URL. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6095 or final draft from http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-linowski-netmod-yang-abstract-05 As you told me, several classes in the "Physical Network Resource Model", for example, "PhysicalResource" and "PhysicalLink" have similar meanings with the classes in my draft. It seems that I can reuse these classes. I will try to make a YANG(-extension) datamodel with the method provided in the RFC. Best regards, Hideki Okita >Dear Hideki, > >as I commented in the OPSAWG session on Monday morning I would see it >valuable if you would use YANG as the modeling language for the >information model in your draft. > >I believe the YANG extension for Complex Types, which has been published >today (a few hours ago :) as RFC 6095, will further ease your life as it >supports the top-down modeling approach with class inheritance. Base >classes you are using are already defined in this RFC and can be further >reused. > >Please let me and Bernd know if you need help for modeling with YANG and >its extensions. > >PS: Please check http://code.google.com/p/pyang-ct/ for an open source >validation tool for YANG Complex Types. > >Cheers, >Mehmet > > >-----Original Message----- >From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org >[mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext >rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:51 AM >To: ietf-announce@ietf.org; rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org >Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org >Subject: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions > > >A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 6095 > > Title: Extending YANG with Language Abstractions > Author: B. Linowski, M. Ersue, > S. Kuryla > Status: Experimental > Stream: IETF > Date: March 2011 > Mailbox: bernd.linowski.ext@nsn.com, > mehmet.ersue@nsn.com, > s.kuryla@gmail.com > Pages: 75 > Characters: 140259 > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None > > I-D Tag: draft-linowski-netmod-yang-abstract-05.txt > > URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6095.txt > >YANG -- the Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) Data Modeling >Language -- supports modeling of a tree of data elements that >represent the configuration and runtime status of a particular >network element managed via NETCONF. This memo suggests enhancing >YANG with supplementary modeling features and language abstractions >with the aim to improve the model extensibility and reuse. >This document defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet >community. > > >EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the >Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any >kind. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested. >Distribution of this memo is unlimited. > >This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. >To subscribe or unsubscribe, see > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist > >For searching the RFC series, see >http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. >For downloading RFCs, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. > >Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the >author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. Unless >specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for >unlimited distribution. > > >The RFC Editor Team >Association Management Solutions, LLC > > >_______________________________________________ >IETF-Announce mailing list >IETF-Announce@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > From mehmet.ersue@nsn.com Wed Mar 30 04:10:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0988128C13B for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:10:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5z4dsvzwha7A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188173A6947 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2UBBvZ0007726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:11:57 +0200 Received: from demuexc025.nsn-intra.net (demuexc025.nsn-intra.net [10.159.32.12]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2UBBrEo010332; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:11:57 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.103]) by demuexc025.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:11:55 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:11:25 +0200 Message-ID: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDB2A9@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel Thread-Index: AcvuyWXtb0JNC/jDRoaIVSEcsJQk+wAAWxHA References: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DAA830@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.ne> From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2011 11:11:55.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[475A67B0:01CBEECB] Cc: masahiro.yoshizawa.bt@hitachi.com, opsawg@ietf.org, "Linowski, Bernd \(EXT-Other - DE\)" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:10:30 -0000 Dear Hideki, please use RFC 6095 only as this the official document and=20 has quite a few corrections compared to the draft version. We would be happy to help or review your draft model.=20 Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ext hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com > [mailto:hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:58 PM > To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > Cc: masahiro.yoshizawa.bt@hitachi.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Linowski, Bernd > (EXT-Other - DE) > Subject: Re:Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in draft- > okita-ops-vnetmodel >=20 > Mehmet, >=20 >=20 > Many thanks for your announcement about "Yang extension". > As you said, we can now get the draft as RFC 6095 from following URL. >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6095 > or final draft from > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-linowski-netmod-yang-abstract-05 >=20 > As you told me, several classes in the "Physical Network Resource > Model", for example, "PhysicalResource" and "PhysicalLink" have > similar meanings with the classes in my draft. It seems that > I can reuse these classes. >=20 > I will try to make a YANG(-extension) datamodel with the method > provided in the RFC. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Hideki Okita >=20 >=20 > >Dear Hideki, > > > >as I commented in the OPSAWG session on Monday morning I would see it > >valuable if you would use YANG as the modeling language for the > >information model in your draft. > > > >I believe the YANG extension for Complex Types, which has been > published > >today (a few hours ago :) as RFC 6095, will further ease your life as > it > >supports the top-down modeling approach with class inheritance. Base > >classes you are using are already defined in this RFC and can be > further > >reused. > > > >Please let me and Bernd know if you need help for modeling with YANG > and > >its extensions. > > > >PS: Please check http://code.google.com/p/pyang-ct/ for an open source > >validation tool for YANG Complex Types. > > > >Cheers, > >Mehmet > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org > >[mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext > >rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:51 AM > >To: ietf-announce@ietf.org; rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org > >Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > >Subject: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions > > > > > >A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > > > > RFC 6095 > > > > Title: Extending YANG with Language Abstractions > > Author: B. Linowski, M. Ersue, > > S. Kuryla > > Status: Experimental > > Stream: IETF > > Date: March 2011 > > Mailbox: bernd.linowski.ext@nsn.com, > > mehmet.ersue@nsn.com, > > s.kuryla@gmail.com > > Pages: 75 > > Characters: 140259 > > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None > > > > I-D Tag: draft-linowski-netmod-yang-abstract-05.txt > > > > URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6095.txt > > > >YANG -- the Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) Data Modeling > >Language -- supports modeling of a tree of data elements that > >represent the configuration and runtime status of a particular > >network element managed via NETCONF. This memo suggests enhancing > >YANG with supplementary modeling features and language abstractions > >with the aim to improve the model extensibility and reuse. > >This document defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet > >community. > > > > > >EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the > >Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any > >kind. 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boundary=20cf303a3631eae2aa049fb15068 Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp, Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn, lisamariedewar@googlemail.com, Michael.Fargano@qwest.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, mark.carlson@oracle.com, "Sumit Naiksatam \(snaiksat\)" , zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn, John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com, opsawg@ietf.org, "Masum Hasan \(masum\)" , Sundar K Iyer , Jeff Young , vishwas@ipinfusion.com, surenck@gmail.com, li.mingdong@zte.com.cn, Clive E Webber , meng.yu@zte.com.cn, j-mambretti@northwestern.edu, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, "Zeltsan, Zachary" , ma.suan@zte.com.cn, marcelo@it.uc3m.es, hu.jie@zte.com.cn, TSridhar@ieee.org, carlw@mcsr-labs.org, igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com, lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn, mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com, ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org, Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com, wang.jun17@zte.com.cn, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE , marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com, shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn, paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com, fjlin@research.telcordia.com, "Steiner, Moritz" , Subir Das , samj@samj.net, chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn, dani@computados.com, shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com, Daryl A Bourke , ajse@tid.es, arojoy@forcetech.net, yaomin.chen@sun.com, rnatale@mitre.org, henry.yu@twtelecom.com, ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:15:31 -0000 --20cf303a3631eae2aa049fb15068 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mehmet, Here is the list of the main ones that we originally prepared ...thoughts and comments are welcome..others are being prepared .. Thanks.. 1. Draft Name: Requirements and Framework for VPN=A9\Oriented Cloud Services = ( http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-so-vpn-o-cs/) Author/presenter: Ning So Amount of time requested: 10 minutes Abstract: This contribution addresses the service providers' requirements t= o support VPN-Oriented Cloud services. It describes the characteristics of VPN-oriented Cloud Service and specifies the requirement on how to maintain and manage the data center resources for those services. 2. Draft Name: Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud ( http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-s= eamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt) Author/presenter: Masum Hasan Amount of time requested: 10 minutes Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud abstraction called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless extension of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We also introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for on-demand manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud. 3. Draft Name: Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds ( http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%20= Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt) Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan Amount of time requested: 10 minutes Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, OS, compute= , storage and policy (workloads) within and between service provider, enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is driven by consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace savings. Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that exploit more favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of workloads closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, the reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at fewer sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the need to preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, or otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework for considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, rationale fo= r migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating these workloads that consider these factors. 4. Draft Name: Service Management for Virtualized Networks ( http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01.txt) Author/presenter: Hidetoshi YokotaAmount of time requested: 10 minutes Abstract: Network virtualization technique leveraged by a virtual machine makes it possible to dynamically relocate functional entities without topological and physical constraints. By tapping into this technique, service mobility, which deals with not only functional entities but also sessions established between those entities, will become possible and such capability is especially longed for realizing more scalable and reliable telecom networks. This document provides the reference model for service mobility in a virtual environment and defines the control protocol between the virtualized platform and the managing controller to realize service mobility. 5. Draft Name: Virtual Network Management Information Model ( http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-03.txt) Author/presenter: Hideki OkitaAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: Virtual switches on server virtualization platforms cause a problem in managing data center networks containing several hundred switches. Accordingly, a management information model for the network structure of data center networks containing virtual switches is proposed. The proposed model consists of a physical layer (which represents connections between physical switches) and a virtual layer (which represent= s connections between virtual switches). These layers also represent the association of the virtual switch with the corresponding physical switch. This document also provides an example of the XML-based data model that is implemented according to the proposed information model. 6. Draft Name: Syslog Extension for Cloud ( http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-golov= insky-cloud-log-00.txt) Author/presenter: Gene GolovinskyAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: This document provides an open and extensible log format to be used by any cloud entity or cloud application to log and trace activities that occur in the cloud. It is equally applicable for cloud infrastructure (IaaS), platform (PaaS), and application (SaaS) services. CloudLog is different in content, but not in nature from the traditional logging as it takes in account transient nature of identities and resources in the cloud. 7. Draft Name: Cloud Service Broker ( http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-shao-= cloud-CSB-00.txt) Author/presenter: Hu JieAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: Thi= s document introduces a Cloud Service Broker (CSB) entity to provide brokerin= g service between different Cloud Service Providers which can be based on private cloud, community cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud. 8. Draft Name: Cloud Reference Framework ( http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-reference-framework-00.txt) Author/presenter: Bhumip Khasnabish Amount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: This document presents a reference framework for Cloud Services, based on the survey of Cloud-based systems and services. Intra-cloud and inter-cloud reference frameworks are developed, and the requirements for each layer are also identified and discussed. 2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in a > mail before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a chaoti= c > discussion. > > I would like to understand first which drafts are there, their aim and > goals and their relationship to operations and management. > > May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs would filter them > somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not relevant for OPS are= a. > > > > Cheers, > Mehmet > > > > *From:* opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] *On > Behalf Of ext Bhumip Khasnabish > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, ! 2011 12: 59 AM > To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE > Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; > Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; > mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); > zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); Sunda= r > K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; > li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; > ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; > TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; > henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; > jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; > paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; > Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; samj@samj.net; chu.jun! > sheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir Das; shigeru.miyake.uy@ > hitachi.com; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; > yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; ksankar@cisco.com > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin* > > > > Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center > operations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so > immediately. > > > > We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg mailing > list. > > > > Thanks again. > > > > Best. > > > > Bhumip > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE > wrote: > > Greetings Ning et al, > > > > Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later (so = we > can gauge the level of activity here). Also, as this is the operations w= g, > we would really like to see input from operators who are using (or > attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the issues are, for > example. Theory is great, practice is better! :) > > > > Thank's, > > Chris > > > > > > > > On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote: > > > > All, > > Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and the > in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for > now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today. It > is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be > presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to remind everyone to > follow the IETF proc! edure and upload the drafts before deadline, and > request th! e presen tation slots properly. > > > OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are > looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center related > work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discussion, > to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I think that's a > good and fair instruction. Now the work has an official IETF home, so I > strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you > have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in > Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future > Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other > channels of unofficial communication. > > I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may > not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. Please feel free to contact > me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to hel! p. > > > > Best regards, > > Ning So > Network Evolution Planning > Verizon, Inc. > (office) 972-729-7905 > (Cell) 972-955-0914 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; > surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; > samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; > ma.suan@zte.com.! cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com; > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp; > hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com ; > henry.yu@twtelecom.com; > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com; > thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es; > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; > Michael.Fargano@qwes! t.com ; > TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; > > yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com; > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; > snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn ; > lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; > ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp; > marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner, > Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary > Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin > > Hi all, > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch > > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room! number later. > > I wonder if the above meeting is still p! lanned o r not. If planned, is > > there any information of the room? > > --- > Keiichi SHIMA > Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute WIDE > Project > > > > > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > > > We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related > > presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at the > following URL.. > > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt > > > > > > I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3, > > 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. > > > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch > > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. > > > > Thanks. > > ! > > Best. > > > > Bhumip > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > > > > --- > =C0=EE=BF=C2=EE=A3 > Check my PGP key here: > *https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc* > > > > > > > --20cf303a3631eae2aa049fb15068 Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mehmet,
 
Here is the list of the main ones that we originally prepared ...thoug= hts and comments are welcome..others are being prepared .. Thanks..
 
1.
Draft Name:  Requirements and Framework for VPN=A9\Oriented= Cloud Services (
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-so-vpn-o-cs/)
Author= /presenter: Ning So
Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
Abstract: This contribution address= es the service providers' requirements to support VPN-Oriented Cloud se= rvices. It describes the characteristics of VPN-oriented Cloud Service and = specifies the requirement on how to maintain and manage the data center res= ources for those services.
 
2.
Draft Name:  Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP= Class Cloud (http://trac.tools.ietf= .org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01= .txt)
Author/presenter: Masum Hasan
Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
Ab= stract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud abstraction c= alled the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless extension o= f an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We also i= ntroduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for on-demand man= ipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud.
 
3.
 Draft Name:  Protocol Considerations for Workloa= d Mobility in Clouds (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wik= i/Clouds/Protocol%20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Cloud= s.txt)  
Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan
Amount of time requested: 10 m= inutes
Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, O= S, compute, storage and policy (workloads) within and between service provi= der, enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is driven b= y consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace savings.= Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that exploit more = favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of workloads cl= oser to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, the reducti= on of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at fewer sites for = power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the solution is de= pendent on the characteristics of the workload, the need to preserve policy= and service-level information, and the existence, or otherwise, of trust b= oundaries. This document posits a framework for considering workload migrat= ion, in terms of entities involved, rationale for migration, the types of w= orkloads and protocols for migrating these workloads that consider these fa= ctors.
 
4.
Draft Name:  Service Management for Virtualized Netwo= rks (http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01.txt)
Author/presenter: Hidetoshi YokotaAmount of time requested: 10 minutes
A= bstract: Network virtualization technique leveraged by a virtual machine makes it possible to dynamically relocate functional entities without top= ological and physical constraints.  By tapping into this technique, se= rvice mobility, which deals with not only functional entities but also sess= ions established between those entities, will become possible and such capa= bility is especially longed for realizing more scalable and reliable teleco= m networks.  This document provides the reference model for service mo= bility in a virtual environment and defines the control protocol between th= e virtualized platform and the managing controller to realize service mobil= ity.
 
5.
Draft Name:  Virtual Network Management Information M= odel (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-03.txt)
Author/p= resenter: Hideki OkitaAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract:  V= irtual switches on server virtualization platforms cause a
problem in managing data center networks containing several hundred switche= s. Accordingly, a management information model for the network structure of= data center networks containing virtual switches is proposed.  The pr= oposed model consists of a physical layer (which represents connections bet= ween physical switches) and a virtual layer (which represents connections b= etween virtual switches).  These layers also represent the association= of the virtual switch with the corresponding physical switch.  This d= ocument also provides an example of the XML-based data model that is implem= ented according to the proposed information model.
 
 
6.
Draft Name:  Syslog Extension for Cloud&nbs= p;  (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/are= a/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-golovinsky-cloud-log-00.txt) Author/presenter: Gene GolovinskyAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstra= ct:  This document provides an open and extensible log format to be us= ed by any cloud entity or cloud application to log and trace activities tha= t occur in the cloud. It is equally applicable for cloud infrastructure (Ia= aS), platform (PaaS), and application (SaaS) services. CloudLog is differen= t in content, but not in nature from the traditional logging as it takes in= account transient nature of identities and resources in the cloud.
 
7.
Draft Name:  Cloud Service Broker (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/= draft-shao-cloud-CSB-00.txt)
Author/presenter:  Hu JieAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract:=   This document introduces a Cloud Service Broker (CSB) entity to prov= ide brokering service between different Cloud Service Providers which can b= e based on private cloud, community cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud.  
 
8.
Draft Name:  Cloud Reference Framework (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-reference-framework= -00.txt)
Author/presenter:  Bhumip Khasnabish Amount of time requested: 10 minu= tesAbstract:  This document presents a reference framework for Cloud <= br>Services, based on the survey of Cloud-based systems and services. Intra= -cloud and inter-cloud reference frameworks are developed, and the requirem= ents for each layer are also identified and discussed.

2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) <m= ehmet.ersue@nsn.com>

Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in= a mail before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a chaot= ic discussion.

I would like to understand first which drafts are there, their aim = and goals and their relationship to operations and management.

May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs would filter th= em somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not relevant for OPS ar= ea.

 

Cheers,=
Mehmet

 <= /span>

From:<= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of ext Bhumip Khasnabish
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, ! 2011 12: 59 AM
To: Christophe= r LILJENSTOLPE
Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.co= m; spenc= er@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@ma= ils.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); Su= ndar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn= ; j-mambr= etti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; <= a href=3D"mailto:carlw@mcsr-labs.org" target=3D"_blank">carlw@mcsr-labs.org= ; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee= .org; henry= .yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.= com; shao= .weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordi= a.com; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; samj@samj.net; chu.jun! sheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir Das; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; Daryl A Bourke;= ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net= ; yaomin.chen@sun.= com; Marco= .Carugi@zte.com.cn; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; ksankar@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 = AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin

 

Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of = the data center operations and management related ID owners (and developers= ) to do so immediately.

 

We'll also announce the conf call invitation to = the operations wg mailing list.

 

Thanks again.

 

Best.

 

Bhumip

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENS= TOLPE <cdl@asgaard.= org> wrote:

Greetings Ning et al,

 

Please do start the activity on the mailing list soo= ner rather later (so we can gauge the level of activity here).  Also, = as this is the operations wg, we would really like to see input from operat= ors who are using (or attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what= the issues are, for example.  Theory is great, practice is better! :)=

 

Thank's,

Chris

 

 

 

On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote:

 

All,

Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG me= eting and the
in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in= OPSAWG for
now.  I do not see the needs to have another separate m= eeting today.  It
is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be
= presented at this IETF meeting.  I will make sure to remind everyone t= o
follow the IETF proc! edure and upload the drafts before deadlin= e, and
request th! e presen tation slots properly.  =20


OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they= are
looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center rel= ated
work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discuss= ion,
to determine the needs for a separate WG.  Personally I think that'= ;s a
good and fair instruction.  Now the work has an official IETF = home, so I
strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail l= ist if you
have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in
= Cloud Data Center related issues.   We should try to move all fut= ure
Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all otherchannels of unofficial communication.

I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may=
not be totally clear on the IETF procedure.  Please feel free to c= ontact
me directly if you have any questions.  I will try my = best to hel! p.   =20



Best regards,

Ning So
Network Evolution Planning=
Verizon, Inc.
(office) 972-729-7905
(Cell) 972-955-0914


-----Original Message-----
From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM
To: Bhumip Khasnabish
Cc: Kei= ichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;
surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcete= ch.net; carlw@= mcsr-labs.org;
samj@samj.net; fjlin@research= .telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn;
ma.suan@zte.com.! cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn;
hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com;
j-mambret= ti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp;
hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgro= up.com;
igor.= faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com;
mike.man= gino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com;
John.M.He= inz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com;
thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; = ajse@tid.es;
lisamari= edewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;
vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; <= a href=3D"mailto:marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca" target=3D"_blank">marc.blanchet= @viagenie.ca;
Mich= ael.Fargano@qwes! t.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;=20

We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2= 011) during lunch

break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room! number later.
I wonder if the above meeting is still p! lanned o r not.  = ;If planned, is=20

there any information of the room?

---
Keiichi SHIMA
= Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute  <keiichi@iijlab.net> WIDE
Pro= ject <shima@wide.a= d.jp>





On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote:<= br>

We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCent= er, and VNM related

presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda = can be found at the
following URL..

 

 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/age= nda/opsawg.txt

 

 

I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so tha= t we can have {3,

4, and 8} presentations in one cluster.

 

We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2= 011) during lunch

break, if possible/needed, will let you know the roo= m number later.

 

Thanks.

!  

Best.

 

Bhumip

 

 

_______________________________________________
O= PSAWG mailing list
= OPSAWG@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg

 

---

=C0=EE=BF= =C2=EE=A3
Check my P= GP key here:
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 =20 --20cf303a3631eae2aa049fb15068-- From cdl@asgaard.org Wed Mar 30 04:21:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140B628C15C for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:21:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.54 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.54 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.058, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSecNlQUXJCw for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA7828C13B for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D5B1E4943; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:22:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N4G7y2Wgtcox; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (fenrir.asgaard.org [204.29.152.154]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB4C71E4919; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-230-1054396003" From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE In-Reply-To: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDB1DB@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:22:23 +1100 Message-Id: <8E4BB753-954B-4014-826B-64A7C484F640@asgaard.org> References: <64B30A84-211A-429A-9253-57477F4877ED@iijlab.net><14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDB1DB@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp, Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn, lisamariedewar@googlemail.com, Michael.Fargano@qwest.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, mark.carlson@oracle.com, "Sumit Naiksatam \(snaiksat\)" , zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn, John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com, opsawg@ietf.org, "Masum Hasan \(masum\)" , Sundar K Iyer , Jeff Young , vishwas@ipinfusion.com, surenck@gmail.com, li.mingdong@zte.com.cn, Clive E Webber , meng.yu@zte.com.cn, j-mambretti@northwestern.edu, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, "Zeltsan, Zachary" , ma.suan@zte.com.cn, marcelo@it.uc3m.es, hu.jie@zte.com.cn, TSridhar@ieee.org, carlw@mcsr-labs.org, igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com, lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn, mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com, ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org, Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com, wang.jun17@zte.com.cn, marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com, shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn, paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com, fjlin@research.telcordia.com, "Steiner, Moritz" , Subir Das , samj@samj.net, chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn, dani@computados.com, shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com, Daryl A Bourke , ajse@tid.es, arojoy@forcetech.net, yaomin.chen@sun.com, rnatale@mitre.org, henry.yu@twtelecom.com, ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:21:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-230-1054396003 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-229-1054395997 --Apple-Mail-229-1054395997 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That sounds like a good idea Mehmet. Chris On 30Mar2011, at 21.15, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: > Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in a = mail before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a = chaotic discussion. >=20 > I would like to understand first which drafts are there, their aim and = goals and their relationship to operations and management. >=20 > May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs would filter them = somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not relevant for OPS = area. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Cheers,=20 > Mehmet=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of ext Bhumip Khasnabish > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:59 AM > To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE > Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; = Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; = mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); = zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; = John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); = Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; = li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; = j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; = ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; = TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; = igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; = ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; = marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; = shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; = fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; = samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir Das; = shige! > ru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es; = arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; = Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; ksankar@cisco.com > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM = on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center = operations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so = immediately. >=20 >=20 >=20 > We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg = mailing list.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks again. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Best. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bhumip >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE = wrote: >=20 > Greetings Ning et al,=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather = later (so we can gauge the level of activity here). Also, as this is = the operations wg, we would really like to see input from operators who = are using (or attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the = issues are, for example. Theory is great, practice is better :) >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thank's, >=20 > Chris >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote: >=20 > =20 >=20 > All, > =09 > Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG = meeting and the > in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done = in OPSAWG for > now. I do not see the needs to have another separate = meeting today. It > is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related = presentation could not be > presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to = remind everyone to > follow the IETF procedure and upload the drafts before = deadline, and > request the presentation slots properly. =20 > =09 > OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting = that they are > looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data = center related > work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail = list discussion, > to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I = think that's a > good and fair instruction. Now the work has an official = IETF home, so I > strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG = mail list if you > have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog = you may have in > Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to = move all future > Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down = all other > channels of unofficial communication. > =09 > I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud = IETF effort may > not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. Please feel = free to contact > me directly if you have any questions. I will try my = best to help. =20 > =09 > =09 > Best regards, > =09 > Ning So > Network Evolution Planning > Verizon, Inc. > (office) 972-729-7905 > (Cell) 972-955-0914 > =09 > =09 > -----Original Message----- > From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; = shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; > surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; = carlw@mcsr-labs.org; > samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; = chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; > ma.suan@zte.com.cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; = meng.yu@zte.com.cn; > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com; > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp; > hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; = jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; = paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com; > thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; = ajse@tid.es; > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; = zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; > Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; = mark.carlson@oracle.com; > yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; = ksankar@cisco.com; > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; = daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; > snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; = li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; > ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; = sekiya@wide.ad.jp; > marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir = Das; Steiner, > Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary > Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and = 10:15 AM on > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin > =09 > Hi all, > =09 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > =09 > =09 > =09 >=20 > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) = during lunch >=20 > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room = number later. > =09 > I wonder if the above meeting is still planned or not. = If planned, is > there any information of the room? > =09 > --- > Keiichi SHIMA > Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute = WIDE > Project > =09 > =09 > =09 > =09 > =09 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > =09 > =09 > =09 >=20 > We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and = VNM related >=20 > presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can = be found at the > following URL.. > =09 > =09 >=20 > =20 >=20 > = http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so = that we can have {3, >=20 > 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. > =09 > =09 >=20 > =20 >=20 > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday = (29-March2011) during lunch >=20 > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room = number later. > =09 > =09 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Best. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Bhumip >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >=20 > =20 >=20 > --- >=20 > =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF > Check my PGP key here: > https://www.asgaard.org/=E2=80=BEcdl/cdl.asc >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --- =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Apple-Mail-229-1054395997 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 That = sounds like a good idea Mehmet.

= Chris

On 30Mar2011, at 21.15, Ersue, = Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote:

Can = anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in a mail = before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a chaotic = discussion.

I would like to understand first which drafts are = there, their aim and goals and their relationship to operations and = management.

May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs = would filter them somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not = relevant for OPS area.



Cheers,
Mehmet =



From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Bhumip = Khasnabish
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:59 AM
To: = Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.co= m; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; = spencer@wonderhamster.org; = mark.carlson@oracle.com; = Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.e= du.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; = John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com<= /a>; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan = (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive = E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; = j-mambretti@northwestern.edu<= /a>; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com;= Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-luc= ent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucen= t.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; = jamil.chawki@orange-ftgrou= p.com; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; = paul.unbehagen@alcatel-l= ucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com<= /a>; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir Das; = shige!
ru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; = Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; Zhengping.You@aforesoluti= ons.com; ksankar@cisco.com
Subject: Re: = [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on = Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin



Thanks Chris. Yes = agreed, and have requested all of the data center operations and = management related ID owners (and developers) to do so = immediately.



We'll also announce the conf call invitation = to the operations wg mailing list.



Thanks = again.



Best.



Bhumip





<= br>
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <cdl@asgaard.org> = wrote:

= Greetings Ning et al,



Please do = start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later (so we can = gauge the level of activity here).  Also, as this is the operations = wg, we would really like to see input from operators who are using (or = attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the issues are, = for example.  Theory is great, practice is better :)

=

= Thank's,

Chris

=

=

=

= On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote:

=

= = All,
= =
= = Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting = and the
= = in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG = for
= = now.  I do not see the needs to have another separate = meeting today.  It
is rather unfortunate that many = Cloud related presentation could not be
presented at this IETF meeting. =  I will make sure to remind everyone to
follow = the IETF procedure and upload the drafts before deadline, and
request = the presentation slots properly.  

OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated = during the meeting that they are
looking for signs of significant = activity for Cloud/Data center related
work, both from drafts (not = presentations), and e-mail list discussion,
to = determine the needs for a separate WG.  Personally I think that's = a
= = good and fair instruction.  Now the work has an official = IETF home, so I
strongly encourage everyone to = sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you
have not already done so, and = freely open up any dialog you may have in
Cloud = Data Center related issues.   We should try to move all = future
= = Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all = other
= = channels of unofficial communication.

I am = aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort = may
= = not be totally clear on the IETF procedure.  Please feel = free to contact
me directly if you have any = questions.  I will try my best to help.   


Best = regards,
= =
= = Ning So
Network Evolution = Planning
= = Verizon, Inc.
(office) 972-729-7905
(Cell) = 972-955-0914
= =
= =
= = -----Original Message-----
From: Keiichi SHIMA = [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 = 1:54 AM
= = To: Bhumip Khasnabish
Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.co= m;
= = surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;
samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com<= /a>; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn;
ma.suan@zte.com.cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn;
hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com;
j-mambretti@northwestern.edu<= /a>; yokota@kddilabs.jp;
hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgrou= p.com;
= = igor.faynberg@alcatel-luc= ent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-l= ucent.com;
mike.mangino@alcatel-lucen= t.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com;
John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com<= /a>; gene@alertlogic.com;
thomas.morin@orange-ftgrou= p.com; dani@computados.com;= ajse@tid.es;
lisamariedewar@googlemail.co= m; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.e= du.cn;
= = vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; = = Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; = TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;
yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com;
sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com<= /a>; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstr= a.com;
= = snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn;
Zhengping.You@aforesoluti= ons.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn;
shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; = lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;
ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp;
marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; = Subir Das; Steiner,
Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary
Subject: = Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on
= Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin

Hi = all,
= =
= = On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote:


=

= = We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during = lunch

= = break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number = later.
= =
= = I wonder if the above meeting is still planned or not.  If = planned, is
= = there any information of the room?

= ---
= = Keiichi SHIMA
Research Laboratory, IIJ = Innovation Institute  <keiichi@iijlab.net> = WIDE
= = Project <shima@wide.ad.jp>





On Mar = 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote:


=

= = We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM = related

= = presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found = at the
= = following URL..



=

= = = http://www.i= etf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt

=

= = =

= = = I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have = {3,

= = 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster.

=

= =

= = = We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during = lunch

= = break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number = later.
= =
= =

= =

= = = Thanks.



= Best.



= Bhumip



=

= = _______________________________________________
OPSAWG = mailing list
= = OPSAWG@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/opsawg



= ---

=E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF
Check my = PGP key here:
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I will refer RFC 6095. Regards, Hideki Okita >Dear Hideki, > >please use RFC 6095 only as this the official document and >has quite a few corrections compared to the draft version. > >We would be happy to help or review your draft model. > >Cheers, >Mehmet > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ext hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com >> [mailto:hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:58 PM >> To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) >> Cc: masahiro.yoshizawa.bt@hitachi.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Linowski, >Bernd >> (EXT-Other - DE) >> Subject: Re:Using YANG and its extension for Complex Types in draft- >> okita-ops-vnetmodel >> >> Mehmet, >> >> >> Many thanks for your announcement about "Yang extension". >> As you said, we can now get the draft as RFC 6095 from following URL. >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6095 >> or final draft from >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-linowski-netmod-yang-abstract-05 >> >> As you told me, several classes in the "Physical Network Resource >> Model", for example, "PhysicalResource" and "PhysicalLink" have >> similar meanings with the classes in my draft. It seems that >> I can reuse these classes. >> >> I will try to make a YANG(-extension) datamodel with the method >> provided in the RFC. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Hideki Okita >> >> >> >Dear Hideki, >> > >> >as I commented in the OPSAWG session on Monday morning I would see it >> >valuable if you would use YANG as the modeling language for the >> >information model in your draft. >> > >> >I believe the YANG extension for Complex Types, which has been >> published >> >today (a few hours ago :) as RFC 6095, will further ease your life as >> it >> >supports the top-down modeling approach with class inheritance. Base >> >classes you are using are already defined in this RFC and can be >> further >> >reused. >> > >> >Please let me and Bernd know if you need help for modeling with YANG >> and >> >its extensions. >> > >> >PS: Please check http://code.google.com/p/pyang-ct/ for an open >source >> >validation tool for YANG Complex Types. >> > >> >Cheers, >> >Mehmet >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org >> >[mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext >> >rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:51 AM >> >To: ietf-announce@ietf.org; rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org >> >Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org >> >Subject: RFC 6095 on Extending YANG with Language Abstractions >> > >> > >> >A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >> > >> > >> > RFC 6095 >> > >> > Title: Extending YANG with Language Abstractions >> > Author: B. Linowski, M. Ersue, >> > S. Kuryla >> > Status: Experimental >> > Stream: IETF >> > Date: March 2011 >> > Mailbox: bernd.linowski.ext@nsn.com, >> > mehmet.ersue@nsn.com, >> > s.kuryla@gmail.com >> > Pages: 75 >> > Characters: 140259 >> > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None >> > >> > I-D Tag: draft-linowski-netmod-yang-abstract-05.txt >> > >> > URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6095.txt >> > >> >YANG -- the Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) Data Modeling >> >Language -- supports modeling of a tree of data elements that >> >represent the configuration and runtime status of a particular >> >network element managed via NETCONF. This memo suggests enhancing >> >YANG with supplementary modeling features and language abstractions >> >with the aim to improve the model extensibility and reuse. >> >This document defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet >> >community. >> > >> > >> >EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the >> >Internet community. 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charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Bhumip, thank you for the information. We know #5 already. Cloud Services are not related to OPS area per se. Can you please argue shortly for each of the draft below why you think it is relevant for the operation and/or management of IP networks and should be taken care in OPS area and not somewhere else. Cheers, Mehmet From: ext Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:17 PM To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) Cc: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE; yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn ; TSridhar@ieee.org ; carlw@mcsr-labs.org ; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com ; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com ; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org ; henry.yu@twtelecom.com ; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn ; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca ; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com ; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn ; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com ; fjlin@research.telcordia.com ; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn ; samj@samj.net ; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn ; dani@computados.com ; Subir Das; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com ; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es ; arojoy@forcetech.net ; yaomin.chen@sun.com ; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn ; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com ; ksankar@cisco.com ! Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Mehmet, Here is the list of the main ones that we originally prepared ...thoughts and comments are welcome..others are being prepared .. Thanks.. 1. Draft Name: Requirements and Framework for VPN$B!>(JOriented Cloud Services ( http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-so-vpn-o-cs/ ) Author/presenter: Ning So Amount of time requested: 10 minutes Abstract: This contribution addresses the service providers' requirements to support VPN-Oriented Cloud services. It describes the characteristics of VPN-oriented Cloud Service and specifies the requirement on how to maintain and manage the data center resources for those services. 2. Draft Name: Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt ) Author/presenter: Masum Hasan Amount of time requested: 10 minutes Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud abstraction called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless extension of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We also introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for on-demand manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud. 3. Draft Name: Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt ) Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan Amount of time requested: 10 minutes Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, OS, compute, storage and policy (workloads) within and between service provider, enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is driven by consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace savings. Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that exploit more favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of workloads closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, the reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at fewer sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the need to preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, or otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework for considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, rationale for migration, the types of workloads and protocols f! or migrating these workloads that consider these factors. 4. Draft Name: Service Management for Virtualized Networks (http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01.txt ) Author/presenter: Hidetoshi YokotaAmount of time requested: 10 minutes Abstract: Network virtualization technique leveraged by a virtual machine makes it possible to dynamically relocate functional entities without topological and physical constraints. By tapping into this technique, service mobility, which deals with not only functional entities but also sessions established between those entities, will become possible and such capability is especially longed for realizing more scalable and reliable telecom networks. This document provides the reference model for service mobility in a virtual environment and defines the control protocol between the virtualized platform and the managing controller to realize service mobility. 5. Draft Name: Virtual Network Management Information Model (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-03.txt ) Author/presenter: Hideki OkitaAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: Virtual switches on server virtualization platforms cause a problem in managing data center networks containing several hundred switches. Accordingly, a management information model for the network structure of data center networks containing virtual switches is proposed. The proposed model consists of a physical layer (which represents connections between physical switches) and a virtual layer (which represents connections between virtual switches). These layers also represent the association of the virtual switch with the corresponding physical switch. This document also provides an example of the XML-based data model that is implemented according to the proposed information model. 6. Draft Name: Syslog Extension for Cloud (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-golovinsky-cloud-log-00.txt ) Author/presenter: Gene GolovinskyAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: This document provides an open and extensible log format to be used by any cloud entity or cloud application to log and trace activities that occur in the cloud. It is equally applicable for cloud infrastructure (IaaS), platform (PaaS), and application (SaaS) services. CloudLog is different in content, but not in nature from the traditional logging as it takes in account transient nature of identities and resources in the cloud. 7. Draft Name: Cloud Service Broker (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-shao-cloud-CSB-00.txt ) Author/presenter: Hu JieAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: This document introduces a Cloud Service Broker (CSB) entity to provide brokering service between different Cloud Service Providers which can be based on private cloud, community cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud. 8. Draft Name: Cloud Reference Framework (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-reference-framework-00.txt ) Author/presenter: Bhumip Khasnabish Amount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: This document presents a reference framework for Cloud Services, based on the survey of Cloud-based systems and services. Intra-cloud and inter-cloud reference frameworks are developed, and the requirements for each layer are also identified and discussed. 2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in a mail before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a chaotic discussion. I would like to understand first which drafts are there, their aim and goals and their relationship to operations and management. May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs would filter them somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not relevant for OPS area. Cheers, Mehmet From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org ] On Behalf Of ext Bhumip Khasnabish Sent: Wednesday, March 30, ! 2011 12: 59 AM To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp ; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com ; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com ; spencer@wonderhamster.org ; mark.carlson@oracle.com ; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn ; rnatale@mitre.org ; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com ; opsawg@ietf.org ; Masum Hasan (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com ; surenck@gmail.com ; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn ; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn ; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.! org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; samj@samj.net; chu.jun! sheng@zte.com.cn ; dani@computados.com ; Subir Das; shigeru.miyake.uy @hitachi.com ; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es ; arojoy@forcetech.net ; yaomin.chen@sun.com ; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn ; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com ; ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center operations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so immediately. We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg mailing list. Thanks again. Best. Bhumip On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE > wrote: Greetings Ning et al, Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later (so we can gauge the level of activity here). Also, as this is the operations wg, we would really like to see input from operators who are using (or attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the issues are, for example. Theory is great, practice is better! :) Thank's, Chris On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote: All, Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and the in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today. It is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to remind everyone to follow the IETF proc! edure and upload the drafts before deadline, and request th! e presen tation slots properly. OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center related work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discussion, to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I think that's a good and fair instruction. Now the work has an official IETF home, so I strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other channels of unofficial communication. I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to hel! p. Best regards, Ning So Network Evolution Planning Verizon, Inc. (office) 972-729-7905 (Cell) 972-955-0914 -----Original Message----- From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net ] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM To: Bhumip Khasnabish Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com ; surenck@gmail.com ; arojoy@forcetech.net ; carlw@mcsr-labs.org ; samj@samj.net ; fjlin@research.telcordia.com ; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn ; ma.suan@zte.com .! cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn ; meng.yu@zte.com.cn ; hu.jie@zte.com.cn ; masum@cisco.com ; mmorrow@cisco.com ; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu ; yokota@kddilabs.jp ; hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com ; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com ; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com ; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com ; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com ; henry.yu@twtelecom.com ; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com ; gene@alertlogic.com ; thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com ; dani@computados.com ; ajse@tid.es ; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com ; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn ; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com ; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca ; Michael.Fargano@qwes! t.com ; TSridhar@ieee.org ; mark.carlson@oracle.com ; yaomin.chen@sun.com ; rnatale@mitre.org ; ksankar@cisco.com ; sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com ; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com ; snaiksat@cisco.com ; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn ; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com ; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn ; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn ; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn ; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org ; vishwas@ipinfusion.com ; sekiya@wide.ad.jp ; marcelo@it.uc3m.es ; spencer@wonderhamster.org ; Subir Das; Steiner, Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Hi all, On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room! number later. I wonder if the above meeting is still p! lanned o r not. If planned, is there any information of the room? --- Keiichi SHIMA Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute > WIDE Project > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at the following URL.. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3, 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. Thanks. ! Best. 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Dear Bhumip,

 

thank you for the information. We know #5 already.

 

Cloud Services are not related to OPS area per se. Can you please argue shortly for each of the draft below why you think it is relevant for the operation and/or management of IP networks an! d should be taken care in OPS area and not somewhere else.

 

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

From: ext Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:17 PM
To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)
Cc: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE; yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carl! w@mcsr-l abs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@! zte.com. cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir Das; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com! ; ksankar@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin

 

Mehmet,

 

Here is the list of the main ones that we originally prepared ...thoughts and comments are welcome..others are being prepared .. Thanks..

 

1.
! Draft Na me:  Requirements and Framework for VPN$B!>(BOriented Cloud Services (
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-so-vpn-o-cs/)
Author/presenter: Ning So
Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
Abstract: This contribution addresses the service providers' requirements to support VPN-Oriented Cloud services. It describes the characteristics of VPN-oriented Cloud Service and specifies the requirement on how to maintain and manage the data center resources for those services.
 
2.
Draft Name:  Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt)
Author/presenter: Masum Hasan
Amount of time requested: 10 minutes
Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud abstraction called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless extension of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We also introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for on-demand manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud.
 
3.
 Draft Name:  Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt)  
Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan
Amount of time requested: 10 minu! tes
Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of appl! ication, OS, compute, storage and policy (workloads) within and between service provider, enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is driven by consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace savings. Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that exploit more favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of workloads closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, the reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at fewer sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the need to preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, or otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework for considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, rationale for migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating these workloads that consider these factors.
&n! bsp;
4.
Draft Name:  Service Management for Virtualized Networks (http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01.txt)
Author/presenter: Hidetoshi YokotaAmount of time requested: 10 minutes
Abstract: Network virtualization technique leveraged by a virtual machine
makes it possible to dynamically relocate functional entities without topological and physical constraints.  By tapping into this technique, service mobility, which deals with not only functional entities but also sessions established between those entities, will become possible and such capability is especially longed for realizing more scalable and reliable telecom networks.  This document provides the reference model for service mobility in a virtual environment and defines the control protocol between the virtualized platform and the manag! ing controller to realize service mobility.
 
5. Draft Name:  Virtual Network Management Information Model (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-03.txt)
Author/presenter: Hideki OkitaAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract:  Virtual switches on server virtualization platforms cause a
problem in managing data center networks containing several hundred switches. Accordingly, a management information model for the network structure of data center networks containing virtual switches is proposed.  The proposed model consists of a physical layer (which represents connections between physical switches) and a virtual layer (which represents connections between virtual switches).  These layers also represent the association of the virtual switch with the corresponding physical switch.  This document also provides an example of the XML-based data model that is implement! ed according to the proposed information model.
 
 
6.
Draft Name:  Syslog Extension for Cloud   (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-golovinsky-cloud-log-00.txt)
Author/presenter: Gene GolovinskyAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract:  This document provides an open and extensible log format to be used by any cloud entity or cloud application to log and trace activities that occur in the cloud. It is equally applicable for cloud infrastructure (IaaS), platform (PaaS), and application (SaaS) services. CloudLog is different in content, but not in nature from the traditional logging as it takes in account transient nature of identities and resources in the cloud.
 
7.
Draft Name:  Cloud Service Broker (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-shao-cloud-CSB-00.txt)
Author/presenter:  Hu JieAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract:  This document introduces a Cloud Service Broker (CSB) entity to provide brokering service between different Cloud Service Providers which can be based on private cloud, community cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud.
 
 
8.
Draft Name:  Cloud Reference Framework (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-reference-framework-00.txt)
Author/presenter:  Bhumip Khasnabish Amount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract:  This document presents a reference framework for Cloud
Services, based on the survey of Cloud-based systems and services. Intra-clo! ud and inter-cloud reference frameworks are developed, and the requirements for each layer are also identified and discussed.

2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) <mehmet.ersue@nsn.com>

Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in a mail before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a chaotic discussion.

I would like to understand first which drafts are there, their aim and goals and their relationship to operations and management.

!

May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs would filter them somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not relevant for OPS area.

 

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Bhumip Khasnabish
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, ! 2011 12: 59 AM
To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
Cc: ! yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Na! iksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com! < /a>; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@z! te.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; samj@samj.net; chu.jun! sheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir Das; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es; arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; ksankar@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin

 

Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center operations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so immediately.

 

We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg mailing list.

 

Thanks again.

 

Best.

 

Bhumip

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <cdl@asgaard.org> wrote:

Greetings Ning et al,

 

Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later (so we can gauge the level of activity here).  Also, as this is the operations wg, we would really like to see input from operators who are using (or attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the issues are, for example.  Theory is great, practice is better! :)

 

Thank's,

Chris

 

 

 

On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote:

 

All,

Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and the
in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for
now.  I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today.  It
is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be
presented at this IETF meeting.  I will make sure to remind everyone to

foll ow the IETF proc! edure and upload the drafts before deadline, and
request th! e presen tation slots properly.  



OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are
looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center related
work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discussion,
to determine the needs for a separate WG.  Personally I think that's a
good and fair instruction.  Now the work has an official IETF home, so I
strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you
have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in
Cloud Data Center related issues.   We should try to move all future
Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other
chann! els of unofficial communication.

I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may
not be totally clear on the IETF procedure.  Please feel free to contact

me directly if you have any questions.  I will try my best to hel! p.   




Best regards,

Ning So
Network Evolution Planning
Verizon, Inc.
(office) 972-729-7905
(Cell) 972-955-0914


-----Original Message-! ----
From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM
To: Bhumip Khasnabish
Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;
surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org;
samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn;
ma.suan@zte.com.! cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn;
hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com;
j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp;
hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;
igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com;
mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com;
John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com;
thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es;
lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;
vishwas.ietf@gmail.com ; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca;

Michael.Fargano@qwes! t.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com;

We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch

break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room! number later.

I wonder if the above meeting is still p! lanned o r not.  If planned, is


there any information ! of the room?

---
Keiichi SHIMA
Research Laborator! y, IIJ I nnovation Institute  <keiichi@iijlab.net> WIDE
Project <shima@wide.ad.jp>





On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote:

We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related

presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at the
following URL..

 

 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt

 

 

I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3,

4, and 8} presentations in one cluster.

 

We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch

break, if possible/needed, will le! t you know the room number later.

 

Thanks.

!  

Best.

 

Bhumip

 

 

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Here is the abstract of our draft, for our information. 9. Draft Name: Network Portability Requirements and Models for Cloud = Environment Author: Keiichi Shima, Yuji Sekiya Abstract: Recent progress of virtual machine technology made it possible = to host various Internet service nodes in a so called cloud environment. = The virtual machine hosting technology provides a method to migrate a = virtual machine from one hypervisor to another. However, such a = technology is mainly focusing on a migration between hypervisors = attached to the same link, and tend not to consider migration over the = Internet. This document mentions the purpose of that type of operation = and describe several possible operation methods to provide network = portability in cloud systems. --- Keiichi SHIMA Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute WIDE Project On Mar 30, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > Mehmet, > =20 > Here is the list of the main ones that we originally prepared = ...thoughts and comments are welcome..others are being prepared .. = Thanks.. > =20 > 1. > Draft Name: Requirements and Framework for VPN=A9\Oriented Cloud = Services (=20 > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-so-vpn-o-cs/) > Author/presenter: Ning So > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: This contribution addresses the service providers' = requirements to support VPN-Oriented Cloud services. It describes the = characteristics of VPN-oriented Cloud Service and specifies the = requirement on how to maintain and manage the data center resources for = those services. > =20 > 2. > Draft Name: Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud = (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc= -seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt)=20 > Author/presenter: Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud = abstraction called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and = seamless extension of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP = grade Cloud. We also introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant = parameters for on-demand manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of = Seamless Cloud. > =20 > 3. > Draft Name: Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds = (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%= 20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt) =20 > Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of application, OS, = compute, storage and policy (workloads) within and between service = provider, enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is = driven by consolidation scenarios for power, administration and = floorspace savings. Inter-site workload migration is motivated by = scenarios that exploit more favourable cost structures at specific = sites, the placement of workloads closer to where they are consumed or = processed to reduce latency, the reduction of site-related downtime, and = workload consolidation at fewer sites for power savings. This memo = describes how the complexity of the solution is dependent on the = characteristics of the workload, the need to preserve policy and = service-level information, and the existence, or otherwise, of trust = boundaries. This document posits a framework for considering workload = migration, in terms of entities involved, rationale for migration, the = types of workloads and protocols for migrating these workloads that = consider these factors. > =20 > 4.=20 > Draft Name: Service Management for Virtualized Networks = (http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01.txt)=20 > Author/presenter: Hidetoshi YokotaAmount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: Network virtualization technique leveraged by a virtual = machine=20 > makes it possible to dynamically relocate functional entities without = topological and physical constraints. By tapping into this technique, = service mobility, which deals with not only functional entities but also = sessions established between those entities, will become possible and = such capability is especially longed for realizing more scalable and = reliable telecom networks. This document provides the reference model = for service mobility in a virtual environment and defines the control = protocol between the virtualized platform and the managing controller to = realize service mobility. > =20 > 5.=20 > Draft Name: Virtual Network Management Information Model = (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-03.txt) > Author/presenter: Hideki OkitaAmount of time requested: 10 = minutesAbstract: Virtual switches on server virtualization platforms = cause a=20 > problem in managing data center networks containing several hundred = switches. Accordingly, a management information model for the network = structure of data center networks containing virtual switches is = proposed. The proposed model consists of a physical layer (which = represents connections between physical switches) and a virtual layer = (which represents connections between virtual switches). These layers = also represent the association of the virtual switch with the = corresponding physical switch. This document also provides an example = of the XML-based data model that is implemented according to the = proposed information model. > =20 > =20 > 6.=20 > Draft Name: Syslog Extension for Cloud = (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-gol= ovinsky-cloud-log-00.txt)=20 > Author/presenter: Gene GolovinskyAmount of time requested: 10 = minutesAbstract: This document provides an open and extensible log = format to be used by any cloud entity or cloud application to log and = trace activities that occur in the cloud. It is equally applicable for = cloud infrastructure (IaaS), platform (PaaS), and application (SaaS) = services. CloudLog is different in content, but not in nature from the = traditional logging as it takes in account transient nature of = identities and resources in the cloud. > =20 > 7.=20 > Draft Name: Cloud Service Broker = (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-sha= o-cloud-CSB-00.txt)=20 > Author/presenter: Hu JieAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: = This document introduces a Cloud Service Broker (CSB) entity to provide = brokering service between different Cloud Service Providers which can be = based on private cloud, community cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud. > =20 > =20 > 8. > Draft Name: Cloud Reference Framework = (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-reference-framework-00.tx= t)=20 > Author/presenter: Bhumip Khasnabish Amount of time requested: 10 = minutesAbstract: This document presents a reference framework for Cloud=20= > Services, based on the survey of Cloud-based systems and services. = Intra-cloud and inter-cloud reference frameworks are developed, and the = requirements for each layer are also identified and discussed. >=20 > 2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in a = mail before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a = chaotic discussion. >=20 > I would like to understand first which drafts are there, their aim and = goals and their relationship to operations and management. >=20 > May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs would filter them = somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not relevant for OPS = area. >=20 > =20 > Cheers,=20 > Mehmet >=20 > =20 > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of ext Bhumip Khasnabish > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, ! 2011 12: 59 AM > To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE > Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; = Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; = mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); = zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; = John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); = Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; = li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; = j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; = ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; = TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; = igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; = ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; = marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; = shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; = fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; = samj@samj.net; chu.jun! sheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir = Das; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es; = arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; = Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; ksankar@cisco.com > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM = on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 > =20 > Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center = operations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so = immediately. >=20 > =20 > We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg = mailing list. >=20 > =20 > Thanks again. >=20 > =20 > Best. >=20 > =20 > Bhumip >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE = wrote: >=20 > Greetings Ning et al, >=20 > =20 > Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later = (so we can gauge the level of activity here). Also, as this is the = operations wg, we would really like to see input from operators who are = using (or attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the = issues are, for example. Theory is great, practice is better! :) >=20 > =20 > Thank's, >=20 > Chris >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote: >=20 > =20 >=20 > All, >=20 > Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and = the > in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for > now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today. = It > is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not = be > presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to remind everyone = to > follow the IETF proc! edure and upload the drafts before deadline, and > request th! e presen tation slots properly. =20 >=20 >=20 > OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are > looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center = related > work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list = discussion, > to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I think that's a > good and fair instruction. Now the work has an official IETF home, so = I > strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if = you > have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have = in > Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future > Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other > channels of unofficial communication. >=20 > I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort = may > not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. Please feel free to = contact > me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to hel! p. = =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Ning So > Network Evolution Planning > Verizon, Inc. > (office) 972-729-7905 > (Cell) 972-955-0914 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; > surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; > samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; > ma.suan@zte.com.! cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com; > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp; > hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com; > thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es; > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; > Michael.Fargano@qwes! t.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; = mark.carlson@oracle.com; >=20 > yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org; ksankar@cisco.com; > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; > snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; > shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; > ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp; > marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner, > Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary > Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch >=20 >=20 > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room! number later. >=20 > I wonder if the above meeting is still p! lanned o r not. If planned, = is >=20 > there any information of the room? >=20 > --- > Keiichi SHIMA > Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute = WIDE > Project >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related >=20 > presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at = the > following URL.. >=20 >=20 > =20 > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt >=20 > =20 > =20 > I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3, >=20 > 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. >=20 >=20 > =20 > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch >=20 > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room number later. >=20 >=20 > =20 > Thanks. >=20 > ! =20 >=20 > Best. >=20 > =20 > Bhumip >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > 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Received: from ASHEVS008.mcilink.com ([153.39.69.129]) by ASHSRV139.mcilink.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:48:43 +0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:48:39 +0000 Message-id: <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA2060600070487CB@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> In-reply-to: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDB333@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-topic: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM onMonday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Thread-index: AcvuzAfmvitpCWf/RfG9WEMHxCee2wAAFAcAABNgR4A= References: <64B30A84-211A-429A-9253-57477F4877ED@iijlab.net> <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDB1DB@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDB333@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> From: "So, Ning" To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" , ext Bhumip Khasnabish X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2011 20:48:43.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB3FFB70:01CBEF1B] Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp, lisamariedewar@googlemail.com, Michael.Fargano@qwest.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, mark.carlson@oracle.com, "Sumit Naiksatam \(snaiksat\)" , zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn, rnatale@mitre.org, John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com, opsawg@ietf.org, "Masum Hasan \(masum\)" , Sundar K Iyer , Jeff Young , vishwas@ipinfusion.com, surenck@gmail.com, li.mingdong@zte.com.cn, Clive E Webber , meng.yu@zte.com.cn, j-mambretti@northwestern.edu, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, "Zeltsan, Zachary" , ma.suan@zte.com.cn, marcelo@it.uc3m.es, hu.jie@zte.com.cn, TSridhar@ieee.org, carlw@mcsr-labs.org, igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com, lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn, mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com, ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org, henry.yu@twtelecom.com, wang.jun17@zte.com.cn, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE , marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com, shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn, paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com, fjlin@research.telcordia.com, "Steiner, Moritz" , Subir Das , samj@samj.net, chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn, dani@computados.com, shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com, Daryl A Bourke , ajse@tid.es, arojoy@forcetech.net, yaomin.chen@sun.com, Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn, Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com, ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM onMonday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:47:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_IsH4l3Qmbh/io3U2OPQWvQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mehmet, It is probably better to have each draft$B!G(Js authors to respond what network operation and management impact their draft may have. As the co-author of VPN-o-CS draft, I will list just a couple operations and management implications that draft has on the networks (although the list can be long). One of the requirements is to have end-to-end VPN-based service management. That$B!G(Js in the area of network management. Another requirement is to have VPN control of how data center resources to be associated to VPN. Auto-resource provisioning/configuration is certainly a network management issue. Please let me know if what I have provided is good enough. Best regards, Ning So Network Evolution Planning Verizon, Inc. (office) 972-729-7905 (Cell) 972-955-0914 From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 6:47 AM To: ext Bhumip Khasnabish Cc: yokota@kddilabs.jp; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan, Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; Christopher LILJENSTOLPE; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner, Moritz; Subir Das; samj@samj.net; chu.juns heng@zte Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM onMonday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Dear Bhumip, thank you for the information. We know #5 already. Cloud Services are not related to OPS area per se. Can you please argue shortly for each of the draft below why you think it is relevant for the operation and/or management of IP networks an! d should be taken care in OPS area and not somewhere else. Cheers, Mehmet From: ext Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:17 PM To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) Cc: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE; yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com ; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn ; TSridhar@ieee.org ; carl! w@mcsr-l abs.org ; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com ; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com ; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org ; henry.yu@twtelecom.com (JOriented Cloud Services ( http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-so-vpn-o-cs/ ) Author/presenter: Ning So Amount of time requested: 10 minutes Abstract: This contribution addresses the service providers' requirements to support VPN-Oriented Cloud services. It describes the characteristics of VPN-oriented Cloud Service and specifies the requirement on how to maintain and manage the data center resources for those services. 2. Draft Name: Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt) Author/presenter: Masum Hasan Amount of time requested: 10 minutes Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud abstraction called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless extension of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We also introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for on-demand manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud. 3. Draft Name: Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds ( http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt ) Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan Amount of time requested: 10 minu! tes Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of appl! ication, OS, compute, storage and policy (workloads) within and between service provider, enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is driven by consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace savings. Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that exploit more favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of workloads closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, the reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at fewer sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the need to preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, or otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework for considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, rationale for migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migr &n! bsp; 4. Draft Name: Service Management for Virtualized Networks (http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01.txt ) Author/presenter: Hidetoshi YokotaAmount of time requested: 10 minutes Abstract: Network virtualization technique leveraged by a virtual machine makes it possible to dynamically relocate functional entities without topological and physical constraints. By tapping into this technique, service mobility, which deals with not only functional entities but also sessions established between those entities, will become possible and such capability is especially longed for realizing more scalable and reliable telecom networks. This document provides the reference model for service mobility in a virtual environment and defines the control protocol between the virtualized platform and the manag! ing controller to realize service mobility. 5. Draft Name: Virtual Network Management Information Model (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-03.txt ) Author/presenter: Hideki OkitaAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: Virtual switches on server virtualization platforms cause a problem in managing data center networks containing several hundred switches. Accordingly, a management information model for the network structure of data center networks containing virtual switches is proposed. The proposed model consists of a physical layer (which represents connections between physical switches) and a virtual layer (which represents connections between virtual switches). These layers also represent the association of the virtual switch with the corresponding physical switch. This document also provides an example of the XML-based data model that is implement! ed according to the proposed information model. 6. Draft Name: Syslog Extension for Cloud (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-golovinsky-cloud-log-00.txt ) Author/presenter: Gene GolovinskyAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: This document provides an open and extensible log format to be used by any cloud entity or cloud application to log and trace activities that occur in the cloud. It is equally applicable for cloud infrastructure (IaaS), platform (PaaS), and application (SaaS) services. CloudLog is different in content, but not in nature from the traditional logging as it takes in account transient nature of identities and resources in the cloud. 7. Draft Name: Cloud Service Broker (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-shao-cloud-CSB-00.txt) Author/presenter: Hu JieAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: This document introduces a Cloud Service Broker (CSB) entity to provide brokering service between different Cloud Service Providers which can be based on private cloud, community cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud. 8. Draft Name: Cloud Reference Framework (http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-reference-framework-00.txt ) Author/presenter: Bhumip Khasnabish Amount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: This document presents a reference framework for Cloud Services, based on the survey of Cloud-based systems and services. Intra-clo! ud and inter-cloud reference frameworks are developed, and the requirements for each layer are also identified and discussed. 2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in a mail before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a chaotic discussion. I would like to understand first which drafts are there, their aim and goals and their relationship to operations and management. ! May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs would filter them somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not relevant for OPS area. Cheers, Mehmet From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org ] On Behalf Of ext Bhumip Khasnabish Sent: Wednesday, March 30, ! 2011 12: 59 AM To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Cc: ! yokota@kddilabs.jp ; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com ; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com ; spencer@wonderhamster.org ; mark.carlson@oracle.com ; Sumit Na! iksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn ; rnatale@mitre.org ; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com ; opsawg@ietf.org ; Masum Hasan (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com! < /a>; surenck@gmail.com ; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn ; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn ; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@z! te.com.cn ; m Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center operations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so immediately. We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg mailing list. Thanks again. Best. Bhumip On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE > wrote: Greetings Ning et al, Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later (so we can gauge the level of activity here). Also, as this is the operations wg, we would really like to see input from operators who are using (or attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the issues are, for example. Theory is great, practice is better! :) Thank's, Chris On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote: All, Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and the in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today. It is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to remind everyone to foll ow the IETF proc! edure and upload the drafts before deadline, and request th! e presen tation slots properly. OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center related work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discussion, to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I think that's a good and fair instruction. Now the work has an official IETF home, so I strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other chann! els of unofficial communication. I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to hel! p. Best regards, Ning So Network Evolution Planning Verizon, Inc. (office) 972-729-7905 (Cell) 972-955-0914 -----Original Message-! ---- From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net ] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM To: Bhumip Khasnabish Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; ma.suan@zte.com.! cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp; hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com ; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com ; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com ; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com ; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com ; henry.yu@twtelecom.com ; John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com ; gene@alertlogic.com ; thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com ; dani@computados.com ; ajse@tid.es ; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com ; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn ; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com ; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca ; Michael.Fargano@qwes! t.com ; TSridhar@ieee.org ; mark.carlson@oracle.com ; yaomin.chen@sun.com ; rnatale@mitre.org ; ksankar@cisco.com; sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; s! hao.weix iang@zte.com.cn ; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org; Subir Das; Steiner, Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berl! in Hi all, On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room! number later. I wonder if the above meeting is still p! lanned o r not. If planned, is there any information ! of the room? --- Keiichi SHIMA Research Laborator! y, IIJ I nnovation Institute WIDE Project On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at the following URL.. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3, 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch break, if possible/needed, will le! t you know the room number later. Thanks. ! Best. Bhumip _______________________________________________ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg --- $BM{[IbO(J Check my PGP key here: https://! www.asga ard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc --Boundary_(ID_IsH4l3Qmbh/io3U2OPQWvQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Mehmet,

 

It is probably better to have each draft$B!G(Bs authors to respond what network operation and management impact their draft may have. 

 

As the co-author of VPN-o-CS draft, I will list just a couple operations and management implications that draft has on the networks (although the lis gin-top-alt:auto'> 

We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg mailing list.

 

Thanks again.

 

Best.

 

 

Thank's,

Chris

 

 

 

On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote:

 

All,

Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and the
in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for
now.  I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today.  It
is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be
presented at this IETF meeting.  I will make sure to remind everyone to

foll ow the IETF proc! edure and upload the drafts before deadline, and
request th! e presen tation slots properly.  



OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are
looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center related
work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discussion,
to determine the needs for a separate WG.  Personally I think that's a
good and fair instruction.  Now the work has an official IETF home, so I
strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you
have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in
Cloud Data Center related issues.   We should try to move all future
Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and cl ose down ft:58.05pt'> 

 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt

 

 

I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3,

4, and 8} presentations in one cluster.

 

We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch

break, if possible/needed, will le! t you know the room number later.

 

Bhumip

 

 

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charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mehmet, We published a draft "Cloud Industry Workitem Survey Results (draft-khasnabish-cloud-industry-workitems-survey-00.txt on 31Dec2011 (available at http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-industry-workitems-survey-0= 0.txt) to take a snapshot of industry activities related to cloud for the purpose of doing a gap analysis. >From the list that I sent earlier, In fact you know about #1 (Ning presented) and #5 already. #2 deals with abstraction and extension of Cloud to Enterprise, and discusses how on-demand operational manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) can help achieve Seamless Cloud service. #3 covers operational aspects of migration of application, OS, compute, storage and policy (workloads) within and between service provider, enterprise or 3rd party data centers. #4 covers dynamic operational management for service management in virtualized Networks with objective to relocate functional entities without topological and physical constraints. #5, you already know. #6 talks about SysLog extension for Cloud services like Infrastructure (Iaa= S), platform (PaaS), and application (SaaS). Standardized Log format is require= d for auditing and verification purposes which are important parts of management and operations. #7 covers Cloud Service Broker (CSB) entity that provides brokering service between different Cloud Service Providers. Operations and management aspect= s of brokering need to be discussed and standardized ( http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-shao-= cloud-CSB-00.txt ) #8 talks about a Cloud Reference Framework that can be utilized to identify functional and interface points along which the operational and management solutions/best-practices need to be developed (see e.g, slide 6 in http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Yokota-Clou= ds-Telecom-Net-Virtualization-Sept10.pdf) #9 talks about virtual resource management ( http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/JunSheng-et= -al-IETF80-RESTful-based-API-for-VRM-30Mar2011.pdf ) #10 discusses cloud security framework. It is being developed and we'll bring it here when ready for publication. Right now only slides are available *( * http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Karavettil-= et-al-IETF-Cloud-Security-Framework-11Feb2011_v2.pdf * ) * PLS let me know if you need more information and/or clarification. I encourage each of the authors to send more info if/as needed to you and others as well. Thanks a lot. Best. Bhumip 2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > Dear Bhumip, > > > > thank you for the information. We know #5 already. > > > > Cloud Services are not related to OPS area per se. Can you please argue > shortly for each of the draft below why you think it is relevant for the > operation and/or management of IP networks an! d should be taken care in = OPS > area and not somewhere else. > > > > Cheers, > Mehmet > > > > *From:* ext Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:17 PM > *To:* Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > *Cc:* Christopher LILJENSTOLPE; yokota@kddilabs.jp; > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; > spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam > (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); Sunda= r > K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com ; > surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; > meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; > Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.c= n; > TSridhar@ieee.org; carl! w@mcsr-l abs.org ; > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; > ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com ; > wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; > jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@! zte.com. cn; > paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; > Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; samj@samj.net ; > chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir Das; > shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es; > arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com! ; ksankar@cisco.com > > *Subject:* Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM > on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin > > > > Mehmet, > > > > Here is the list of the main ones that we originally prepared ...thoughts > and comments are welcome..others are being prepared .. Thanks.. > > > > 1. > ! Draft Na me: Requirements and Framework for VPN=A9\Oriented Cloud Serv= ices > ( > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-so-vpn-o-cs/) > Author/presenter: Ning So > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: This contribution addresses the service providers' requirements > to support VPN-Oriented Cloud services. It describes the characteristics = of > VPN-oriented Cloud Service and specifies the requirement on how to mainta= in > and manage the data center resources for those services. > > 2. > Draft Name: Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud ( > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc= -seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt) > > Author/presenter: Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud abstracti= on > called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless extensio= n > of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We als= o > introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for on-demand > manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud. > > 3. > Draft Name: Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds ( > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%= 20Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt) > > Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minu! tes > Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of appl! ication, OS, > compute, storage and policy (workloads) within and between service provid= er, > enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is driven by > consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floorspace savings. > Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios that exploit more > favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement of workloads > closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce latency, the > reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at fewer > sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the > solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the need to > preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, or > otherwise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework for > considering workload migration, in terms of entities involved, rationale = for > migration, the types of workloads and protocols for migrating these > workloads that consider these factors. > &n! bsp; > > 4. > Draft Name: Service Management for Virtualized Networks ( > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01.txt) > Author/presenter: Hidetoshi YokotaAmount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: Network virtualization technique leveraged by a virtual machine > makes it possible to dynamically relocate functional entities without > topological and physical constraints. By tapping into this technique, > service mobility, which deals with not only functional entities but also > sessions established between those entities, will become possible and suc= h > capability is especially longed for realizing more scalable and reliable > telecom networks. This document provides the reference model for service > mobility in a virtual environment and defines the control protocol betwee= n > the virtualized platform and the manag! ing controller to realize service > mobility. > > > 5. Draft Name: Virtual Network Management Information Model ( > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-03.txt) > > Author/presenter: Hideki OkitaAmount of time requested: 10 > minutesAbstract: Virtual switches on server virtualization platforms cau= se > a > problem in managing data center networks containing several hundred > switches. Accordingly, a management information model for the network > structure of data center networks containing virtual switches is proposed= . > The proposed model consists of a physical layer (which represents > connections between physical switches) and a virtual layer (which represe= nts > connections between virtual switches). These layers also represent the > association of the virtual switch with the corresponding physical switch. > This document also provides an example of the XML-based data model that i= s > implement! ed according to the proposed information model. > > > > 6. > Draft Name: Syslog Extension for Cloud ( > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-gol= ovinsky-cloud-log-00.txt) > > Author/presenter: Gene GolovinskyAmount of time requested: 10 > minutesAbstract: This document provides an open and extensible log forma= t > to be used by any cloud entity or cloud application to log and trace > activities that occur in the cloud. It is equally applicable for cloud > infrastructure (IaaS), platform (PaaS), and application (SaaS) services. > CloudLog is different in content, but not in nature from the traditional > logging as it takes in account transient nature of identities and resourc= es > in the cloud. > > 7. > Draft Name: Cloud Service Broker ( > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-sha= o-cloud-CSB-00.txt) > > Author/presenter: Hu JieAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: > This document introduces a Cloud Service Broker (CSB) entity to provide > brokering service between different Cloud Service Providers which can be > based on private cloud, community cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud. > > > 8. > Draft Name: Cloud Reference Framework ( > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-reference-framework-00.tx= t) > > Author/presenter: Bhumip Khasnabish Amount of time requested: 10 > minutesAbstract: This document presents a reference framework for Cloud > Services, based on the survey of Cloud-based systems and services. > Intra-clo! ud and inter-cloud reference frameworks are developed, and the > requirements for each layer are also identified and discussed. > > 2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > > Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in a mai= l > before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a chaotic > discussion. > > I would like to understand first which drafts are there, their aim and > goals and their relationship to operations and management. > ! > > May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs would filter them > somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not relevant for OPS are= a. > > > > Cheers, > Mehmet > > > > *From:* opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org > ] *On Behalf Of ext Bhumip Khasnabish > > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, ! 2011 12: 59 AM > To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE > Cc: **! yokota@kddilabs.jp **; ** > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com**; **Michael.Fargano@qwest.com**; ** > spencer@wonderhamster.org**; **mark.carlson@oracle.com**; Sumit Na! > iksatam (snaiksat); **zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn**; ** > rnatale@mitre.org**; **John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com**; **opsawg@ietf.org*= *; > Masum Hasan (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; **vishwas@ipinfusion.com!= < > /a> **; **surenck@gmail.com**; ** > li.mingdong@zte.com.cn**; Clive E Webber; **meng.yu@zte.com.cn**; ** > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma= .suan@z! > te.com.cn ; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; > TSridhar@ieee.org; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; > henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; > jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; > paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; > Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; samj@samj.net; chu.jun! > sheng@zte.com.cn **; **dani@computados.com**; > Subir Das; **shigeru.miyake.uy**@**hitachi.com**; Daryl A Bourke; ** > ajse@tid.es**; **arojoy@forcetech.net**; **yaomin.chen@sun.com**; ** > Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn**; **Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com > **; **ksankar@cisco.com* > * > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin* > > > > Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center > operations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so > immediately. > > > > We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg mailing > list. > > > > Thanks again. > > > > Best. > > > > Bhumip > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE > wrote: > > Greetings Ning et al, > > > > Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later (so = we > can gauge the level of activity here). Also, as this is the operations w= g, > we would really like to see input from operators who are using (or > attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the issues are, for > example. Theory is great, practice is better! :) > > > > Thank's, > > Chris > > > > > > > > On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote: > > > > All, > > Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and the > in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for > now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today. It > is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not be > presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to remind everyone to > > foll ow the IETF proc! edure and upload the drafts before deadline, and > > request th! e presen tation slots properly. > > > > OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are > looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center related > work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discussion, > to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I think that's a > good and fair instruction. Now the work has an official IETF home, so I > strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if you > have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in > Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future > Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other > chann! els of unofficial communication. > > > I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort may > not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. Please feel free to contact > > me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to hel! p. > > > > > > Best regards, > > Ning So > Network Evolution Planning > Verizon, Inc. > (office) 972-729-7905 > (Cell) 972-955-0914 > > > -----Original Message-! ---- > From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net ] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; > surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; > samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; > ma.suan@zte.com.! cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com; > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp; > hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com ; > henry.yu@twtelecom.com; > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com ; > gene@alertlogic.com; > thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es; > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com ; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; > > Michael.Fargano@qwes! t.com ; > TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; > > > yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org > ; ksankar@cisco.com; > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; > snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; > s! hao.weix iang@zte.com.cn ; > lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; > ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp; > marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org > ; Subir Das; Steiner, > > Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary > Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berl! in > > > Hi all, > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch > > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room! number later. > > I wonder if the above meeting is still p! lanned o r not. If planned, is > > > there any information ! of the room? > > --- > Keiichi SHIMA > Research Laborator! y, IIJ I nnovation Institute > WIDE > Project > > > > > > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > > We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related > > presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at the > following URL.. > > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt > > > > > > I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3, > > 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. > > > > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch > > break, if possible/needed, will le! t you know the room number later. > > > > Thanks. > > ! > > Best. > > > > Bhumip > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > > > > --- > > =C0=EE=BF=C2=EE=A3 > Check my PGP key here: > *https://! www.asga ard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc > * > > > > > > > > > > > --20cf303b3cd9730ef6049fbcd3bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

We pu= blished a draft "Cloud Industry Workitem Survey Results (draft-khasnab= ish-cloud-industry-workitems-survey-00.txt on 31Dec2011 (available at

htt= p://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-industry-workitems-survey-00.t= xt ) to ta= ke a snapshot of industry activities related to cloud for the purpose of do= ing a gap analysis.  

 

From the list that I sent earlier, In fact you know abo= ut #1 (Ning presented) and #5 already.

 

#2 deals with abstraction and extension of Cloud to Ent= erprise, and discusses how on-demand operational manipulation = (Create, Read, Update, Delete) can help achieve Seamless Cloud service.

 
#3 covers operational as= pects of migration of application, OS, compute, storage and policy (w= orkloads) within and between service provider, enterprise or 3rd party data= centers.
#4 covers dynamic operatio= nal management for service management in virtualized Networks w= ith objective to relocate functio= nal entities without topological and physical constraints.
 
#5, you already know.
 
#6 talks about SysLog extension for Cloud services like = Infrastructure (IaaS), platform (PaaS), and a= pplication (SaaS). Standardized Log format is required for auditing and ver= ification purposes which are important parts of management and operations.<= /span>
 
 
 
#10 discusses cloud security framework. It is being deve= loped and we'll bring it here when ready for publication. Right now onl= y slides are available
PLS let me know if you need more information and/or c= larification.
 
I encourage each of the authors to send more info if/as needed to you = and others as well.
 
Thanks a lot.
 
Best.
 
Bhumip


 
2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) <m= ehmet.ersue@nsn.com>

Dear Bhumip,

 

thank you for the information. We know #5 already.

 

Cloud Services are not related to OPS area per se. Can you please a= rgue shortly for each of the draft below why you think it is relevant for t= he operation and/or management of IP networks an! d should be taken care in= OPS area and not somewhere else.

 

Cheers,=
Mehmet

 <= /span>

From:<= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> ext Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:17 PM
To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)
Cc: Christopher LILJEN= STOLPE; yokota@kddi= labs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlso= n@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn= ; rnatale@mitre.org<= /a>; John= .M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young= ; vishwas@ipi= nfusion.com; sur= enck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.iet= f@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; carl= ! w@mcsr-l abs.org; igor.faynb= erg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.ma= ngino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutt= a@ieee.org= ; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@! zte.com. cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; fjlin@research.telcordia.com= ; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn= ; samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng= @zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com= ; Subir Das; <= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; Daryl A Bo= urke; ajse@t= id.es; arojoy@forcete= ch.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com! ; ksankar@cisco.com=20


Subject: Re:= [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-Mar= ch2011 in Barcelona/Berlin

 

Mehmet,

 

Here is the list of the main on= es that we originally prepared ...thoughts and comments are welcome..others= are being prepared .. Thanks..

 

1.
! Draft Na me:&= nbsp; Requirements and Framework for VPN=A9\Oriented Cloud Services (

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-so-v= pn-o-cs/)
Author/presenter: Ning So
A= mount of time requested: 10 minutes
Abstract: This contribution addresses the service providers' requiremen= ts to support VPN-Oriented Cloud services. It describes the characteristics= of VPN-oriented Cloud Service and specifies the requirement on how to main= tain and manage the data center resources for those services.
 
2.
Draft Name:  Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP= Class Cloud (
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/atta= chment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt)
Author/presenter: Masum Hasan
Amount of time requested: 10 minutes<= br>Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud abstract= ion called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and seamless extens= ion of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP grade Cloud. We a= lso introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant parameters for on-deman= d manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of Seamless Cloud.
 
3.
 Draft Name:  Protocol Considerations for Workloa= d Mobility in Clouds (
htt= p://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%20Con= siderations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt)  
Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan
Amount of time requ= ested: 10 minu! tes
Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of a= ppl! ication, OS, compute, storage and policy (workloads) within and betwee= n service provider, enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migrat= ion is driven by consolidation scenarios for power, administration and floo= rspace savings. Inter-site workload migration is motivated by scenarios tha= t exploit more favourable cost structures at specific sites, the placement = of workloads closer to where they are consumed or processed to reduce laten= cy, the reduction of site-related downtime, and workload consolidation at f= ewer sites for power savings. This memo describes how the complexity of the= solution is dependent on the characteristics of the workload, the need to = preserve policy and service-level information, and the existence, or otherw= ise, of trust boundaries. This document posits a framework for considering = workload migration, in terms of entities involved, rationale for migration,= the types of workloads and protocols for migrating these workloads that co= nsider these factors.
&n! bsp;=20

4.
Draft Name:  Service Management for Virtualized Networ= ks (
http://www.ietf.= org/id/draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01.txt)
Author/presenter: Hidetoshi YokotaAmount of time requested: 10 minutes=
Abstract: Network virtualization technique leveraged by a virtual machi= ne
makes it possible to dynamically relocate functional entities = without topological and physical constraints.  By tapping into this te= chnique, service mobility, which deals with not only functional entities bu= t also sessions established between those entities, will become possible an= d such capability is especially longed for realizing more scalable and reli= able telecom networks.  This document provides the reference model for= service mobility in a virtual environment and defines the control protocol= between the virtualized platform and the manag! ing controller to realize = service mobility.=20

 
5. Draft Name:  Virtual Network Management Informat= ion Model (
http://tools.ietf= .org/id/draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-03.txt)= =20

Author/presenter: Hideki OkitaAmount of time requested: 10 minutes= Abstract:  Virtual switches on server virtualization platforms cause a=
problem in managing data center networks containing several hund= red switches. Accordingly, a management information model for the network s= tructure of data center networks containing virtual switches is proposed.&n= bsp; The proposed model consists of a physical layer (which represents conn= ections between physical switches) and a virtual layer (which represents co= nnections between virtual switches).  These layers also represent the = association of the virtual switch with the corresponding physical switch.&n= bsp; This document also provides an example of the XML-based data model tha= t is implement! ed according to the proposed information model.=20

 
 
6.
Draft Name:  Syslog Extension for = Cloud   (
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/a= ttachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-golovinsky-cloud-log-00.txt)
Author/presenter: Gene GolovinskyAmount of time requested: 10 minutesA= bstract:  This document provides an open and extensible log format to = be used by any cloud entity or cloud application to log and trace activitie= s that occur in the cloud. It is equally applicable for cloud infrastructur= e (IaaS), platform (PaaS), and application (SaaS) services. CloudLog is dif= ferent in content, but not in nature from the traditional logging as it tak= es in account transient nature of identities and resources in the cloud.  
7.
Draft Name:  Cloud Service Broker (
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki= /Clouds/draft-shao-cloud-CSB-00.txt)
Author/presenter:  Hu JieAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbst= ract:  This document introduces a Cloud Service Broker (CSB) entity to= provide brokering service between different Cloud Service Providers which = can be based on private cloud, community cloud, public cloud and hybrid clo= ud.
 
 
8.
Draft Name:  Cloud Reference Framework (http://tools.ie= tf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-reference-framework-00.txt)
Author/presenter:  Bhumip Khasnabish Amount of time requested: 10= minutesAbstract:  This document presents a reference framework for Cl= oud
Services, based on the survey of Cloud-based systems and serv= ices. Intra-clo! ud and inter-cloud reference frameworks are developed, and= the requirements for each layer are also identified and discussed.<= /a>=20

2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) <mehmet.ersue@nsn.com>

Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in= a mail before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a chaot= ic discussion.

I would like to understand first whic= h drafts are there, their aim and goals and their relationship to operation= s and management.

!=20

May be it would be interesting if the= OPSAWG chairs would filter them somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS ar= ea and not relevant for OPS area.

 

Cheers,
Mehmet

 

 ] On Behalf Of ext Bhumip= Khasnabish=20

Sent: Wednesday, March 30, ! 2011 12: 59 AM
To: Christopher LIL= JENSTOLPE
Cc: ! = yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; = Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Na! iksatam (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsin= ghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org<= /span>; John.M.Heinz@centur= ylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org= ; Masum Ha= san (masum); Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com! < /a>; surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@z! te.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.= es; hu.jie@zte.c= om.cn; TSridhar@= ieee.org; carl= w@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent= .com; ashu= tosh.dutta@ieee.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawk= i@orange-ftgroup.com; shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com;= fjlin@re= search.telcordia.com; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; samj@samj.net; chu.jun! sheng@zte.com.cn= ; dani@computados.com; Subir= Das; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com= ; D= aryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es<= /a>; arojoy@forcetech.net; <= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">yaomin.chen@sun.com= ; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn= ; Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; ksankar@cisco.com=20

Subject: Re: [OP= SAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March20= 11 in Barcelona/Berlin

&= nbsp;

T= hanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center operatio= ns and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so immediately.<= /span>

&= nbsp;

W= e'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg mailin= g list.

&= nbsp;

T= hanks again.

&= nbsp;

B= est.

 

B= humip

&= nbsp;

&= nbsp;

&= nbsp;

O= n Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <cdl@asga= ard.org> wrote:

= Greetings Ning et al,

=  

= Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later (so we= can gauge the level of activity here).  Also, as this is the operatio= ns wg, we would really like to see input from operators who are using (or a= ttempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the issues are, for ex= ample.  Theory is great, practice is better! :)

=  

= Thank's,

= Chris

=  

=  

=  

On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Nin= g wrote:

=  

All,

Given the clear directi= on from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and the
in room discussion, all= DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for
now.  I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today. &= nbsp;It
is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could= not be
presented at this IETF meeting.  I will make sure to remind= everyone to

foll ow the IETF proc! edure and uplo= ad the drafts before deadline, and=20


request th! e presen tation slots properly.  



OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they= are
looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center rel= ated
work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list discuss= ion,
to determine the needs for a separate WG.  Personally I think that'= ;s a
good and fair instruction.  Now the work has an official IETF = home, so I
strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail l= ist if you
have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have in
= Cloud Data Center related issues.   We should try to move all fut= ure
Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other
chann! els of unofficial communication.=20


I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF e= ffort may
not be totally clear on the IETF procedure.  Please feel = free to contact

me directly if you have any questio= ns.  I will try my best to hel! p.   




Best regards,

Ni= ng So
Network Evolution Planning
Verizon, Inc.
(office) 972-729-79= 05
(Cell) 972-955-0914


-----Origina= l Message-! ----
From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.n= et]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM
To: Bhumip Khasnabish
Cc: Keiic= hi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com;
surenck@gmail.com; aro= joy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-lab= s.org;
samj@samj.net; fjlin= @research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn;
ma.suan@zte.com.! cn; wa= ng.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.c= om.cn;
hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@ci= sco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com;
j-mambretti@northwestern.edu= ; yokota@kdd= ilabs.jp;
hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com;
igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com;
mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com;
= John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com;
thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com;= ajse@tid.es;
<= span lang=3D"EN-GB">lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn;
vishwas.ietf@gmail.com ; marc= .blanchet@viagenie.ca;

Michael.Fargano@qwes! t.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; =

; ksankar@cisco.com;
 s! hao.weix iang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn;
 ; Subir Das; Steiner,=20

Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary
Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. be= tween 9 AM and 10:15 AM on
Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berl! = in=20


Hi all,

On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish= wrote:

<= span lang=3D"EN-GB">We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011= ) during lunch

break, if possible/needed, will le= t you know the room! number later.

I wonder if the above meeting is st= ill p! lanned o r not.  If planned, is


there any information ! of the room?

---
Keiichi SHIMA
Research Laborator! y, IIJ I nnovation Institute  <<= a href=3D"mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net" target=3D"_blank">keiichi@iijlab.net> WIDE
Project <shima@wide.ad.jp>=20






On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabis= h wrote:

<= span lang=3D"EN-GB">We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter,= and VNM related

presentations during this mtg.; th= e detailed agenda can be found at the
following URL..

&n= bsp;

<= span lang=3D"EN-GB"> http://www.ie= tf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt

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= I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3,

4, and 8} presentations in one clu= ster.

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<= span lang=3D"EN-GB">We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011= ) during lunch

break, if possible/needed, will le= ! t you know the room number later.

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<= span lang=3D"EN-GB">Thanks.

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  --20cf303b3cd9730ef6049fbcd3bb-- From keiichi@iijlab.net Wed Mar 30 23:11:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B835A28C208 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 23:11:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.926 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.926 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.966, BAYES_00=-2.599, FRT_FOLLOW1=1.332, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bR65gDtWQ0Aj for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 23:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omgo.iij.ad.jp (mo30.iij.ad.jp [202.232.30.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4353A6AFC for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 23:11:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1;a=rsa-sha256;c=relaxed/simple;d=iijlab.net;h=Subject: Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Message-Id:References:To;i=keiichi@iijlab.net;s=omgo1;t=1301551922;x= 1302761522; bh=dh/ChBTfoZKzODE0MbrVN8SZIwF6Uwd6srN8wb3rdx0=; b=UJ/dr3f4AgDQGRcc pfwMESA2793KTyf+83ggJNDk+1vNVCDXnF3Mi0ZZp5MmBRm1P4Oi5A+OExi8wMbagpiPmqyesrKvD iMotKvqtlMJeTS6pXZlcXMgHLYA1fhogJe7m4e5OTnBCHymrkhrcRbm6n+ACZI4dqknjjFC6s3N6D 4=; Received: by omgo.iij.ad.jp (mo30) id p2V6C0F7010533; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:12:01 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 From: Keiichi SHIMA In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:10:57 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <703C36A2-F737-4EA9-8FEC-5DB18DE77909@iijlab.net> References: <64B30A84-211A-429A-9253-57477F4877ED@iijlab.net> <14584D6EE26B314187A4F68BA206060006FE226B@ASHEVS008.mcilink.com> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDB1DB@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A6401DDB333@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> To: Bhumip Khasnabish X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: YOKOTA Hidetoshi , rnatale@mitre.org, lisamariedewar@googlemail.com, Michael.Fargano@qwest.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, mark.carlson@oracle.com, "Sumit Naiksatam \(snaiksat\)" , zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn, Ross Callon , John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com, opsawg@ietf.org, "Masum Hasan \(masum\)" , Sundar K Iyer , Jeff Young , vishwas@ipinfusion.com, surenck@gmail.com, li.mingdong@zte.com.cn, Clive E Webber , meng.yu@zte.com.cn, j-mambretti@northwestern.edu, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, Zachary Zeltsan , ma.suan@zte.com.cn, marcelo@it.uc3m.es, hu.jie@zte.com.cn, TSridhar@ieee.org, WILLIAMS Carl , igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com, lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn, mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com, ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org, henry.yu@twtelecom.com, wang.jun17@zte.com.cn, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE , BLANCHET Marc , jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com, shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn, paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com, fjlin@research.telcordia.com, Moritz Steiner , Subir Das , samj@samj.net, chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn, dani@computados.com, shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com, Daryl A Bourke , ajse@tid.es, arojoy@forcetech.net, yaomin.chen@sun.com, Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn, Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com, ksankar@cisco.com Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:12:03 -0000 Dear Bhmuip, Mehmet, and all On Mar 31, 2011, at 3:00 AM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > I encourage each of the authors to send more info if/as needed to you = and others as well. Our draft 'draft-shima-clouds-net-portability-reqs-and-models-00' talks = about network resource mobility technology between data centers to = provide transparent network environment to virtual machines when = migrating one hypervisor to other hypervisor located in a different data = center. There are several ways to achieve the above objective. So we are trying = to define requirements for that kind of operations and categorize = possible deployment patterns that can be used for the operation. Also = the draft tries to list some of the actual deployment scenarios to have = some kind of consensus of parameters of the network migration operation. = If we can have consensus, we will achieve flexible management of VM = migration in a VM service provider and even between different VM service = providers when resource is not enough temporarily. I think the above topic fits to opsawg (or at least ops & mgmt area). I = want to know what other people think. Best Regards, --- Keiichi SHIMA Research Laboratory, IIJ Innovation Institute WIDE Project On Mar 31, 2011, at 3:00 AM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: > Dear Mehmet, > =20 > We published a draft "Cloud Industry Workitem Survey Results = (draft-khasnabish-cloud-industry-workitems-survey-00.txt on 31Dec2011 = (available at > = http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-industry-workitems-survey-= 00.txt ) to take a snapshot of industry activities related to cloud for = the purpose of doing a gap analysis. =20 > =20 > =46rom the list that I sent earlier, In fact you know about #1 (Ning = presented) and #5 already. > =20 > #2 deals with abstraction and extension of Cloud to Enterprise, and = discusses how on-demand operational manipulation (Create, Read, Update, = Delete) can help achieve Seamless Cloud service. > =20 > #3 covers operational aspects of migration of application, OS, = compute, storage and policy (workloads) within and between service = provider, enterprise or 3rd party data centers. > #4 covers dynamic operational management for service management in = virtualized Networks with objective to relocate functional entities = without topological and physical constraints. > =20 > #5, you already know. > =20 > #6 talks about SysLog extension for Cloud services like Infrastructure = (IaaS), platform (PaaS), and application (SaaS). Standardized Log format = is required for auditing and verification purposes which are important = parts of management and operations. > =20 > #7 covers Cloud Service Broker (CSB) entity that provides brokering = service between different Cloud Service Providers. Operations and = management aspects of brokering need to be discussed and standardized = (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-sha= o-cloud-CSB-00.txt) >=20 > #8 talks about a Cloud Reference Framework that can be utilized to = identify functional and interface points along which the operational and = management solutions/best-practices need to be developed (see e.g, slide = 6 in > = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Yokota-Clo= uds-Telecom-Net-Virtualization-Sept10.pdf) > =20 > #9 talks about virtual resource management = (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/JunSheng-= et-al-IETF80-RESTful-based-API-for-VRM-30Mar2011.pdf) > =20 > #10 discusses cloud security framework. It is being developed and = we'll bring it here when ready for publication. Right now only slides = are available > ( = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Karavettil= -et-al-IETF-Cloud-Security-Framework-11Feb2011_v2.pdf ) > PLS let me know if you need more information and/or clarification. > =20 > I encourage each of the authors to send more info if/as needed to you = and others as well. > =20 > Thanks a lot. > =20 > Best. > =20 > Bhumip >=20 >=20 > =20 > 2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > Dear Bhumip, >=20 > =20 > thank you for the information. We know #5 already. >=20 > =20 > Cloud Services are not related to OPS area per se. Can you please = argue shortly for each of the draft below why you think it is relevant = for the operation and/or management of IP networks an! d should be taken = care in OPS area and not somewhere else. >=20 > =20 > Cheers,=20 > Mehmet >=20 > =20 > From: ext Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:17 PM > To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) > Cc: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE; yokota@kddilabs.jp; = lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; = spencer@wonderhamster.org; mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Naiksatam = (snaiksat); zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; = John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); = Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; surenck@gmail.com; = li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; = j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; = ma.suan@zte.com.cn; marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; = TSridhar@ieee.org; carl! w@mcsr-l abs.org; = igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; = ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; = marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; = shao.weixiang@! zte.com. cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; = fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; = samj@samj.net; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir Das; = shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es; = arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; = Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com! ; ksankar@cisco.com >=20 >=20 > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM = on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > Mehmet, >=20 > =20 > Here is the list of the main ones that we originally prepared = ...thoughts and comments are welcome..others are being prepared .. = Thanks.. >=20 > =20 > 1. > ! Draft Na me: Requirements and Framework for VPN=A9\Oriented Cloud = Services (=20 >=20 > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-so-vpn-o-cs/) > Author/presenter: Ning So > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: This contribution addresses the service providers' = requirements to support VPN-Oriented Cloud services. It describes the = characteristics of VPN-oriented Cloud Service and specifies the = requirement on how to maintain and manage the data center resources for = those services. > =20 > 2. > Draft Name: Network Abstraction for Enterprise and SP Class Cloud ( > = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-rfc-= seamless-Cloud-masum-01.txt)=20 > Author/presenter: Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: In this document we introduce a network related Cloud = abstraction called the Seamless Cloud, which facilitates secure and = seamless extension of an enterprise (Intranet) into an enterprise and SP = grade Cloud. We also introduce Cloud service interfaces and relevant = parameters for on-demand manipulation (Create, Read, Update, Delete) of = Seamless Cloud. > =20 > 3. > Draft Name: Protocol Considerations for Workload Mobility in Clouds = ( > = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/Protocol%2= 0Considerations%20for%20Workload%20Mobility%20in%20Clouds.txt) =20 > Author/presenter: Sundar Iyer/Masum Hasan > Amount of time requested: 10 minu! tes > Abstract: This analysis considers the migration of appl! ication, OS, = compute, storage and policy (workloads) within and between service = provider, enterprise or 3rd party data centers. Intra-site migration is = driven by consolidation scenarios for power, administration and = floorspace savings. Inter-site workload migration is motivated by = scenarios that exploit more favourable cost structures at specific = sites, the placement of workloads closer to where they are consumed or = processed to reduce latency, the reduction of site-related downtime, and = workload consolidation at fewer sites for power savings. This memo = describes how the complexity of the solution is dependent on the = characteristics of the workload, the need to preserve policy and = service-level information, and the existence, or otherwise, of trust = boundaries. This document posits a framework for considering workload = migration, in terms of entities involved, rationale for migration, the = types of workloads and protocols for migrating these workloads that = consider these factors. > &n! bsp; >=20 > 4.=20 > Draft Name: Service Management for Virtualized Networks ( > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-yokota-cloud-service-mobility-01.txt)=20 > Author/presenter: Hidetoshi YokotaAmount of time requested: 10 minutes > Abstract: Network virtualization technique leveraged by a virtual = machine=20 > makes it possible to dynamically relocate functional entities without = topological and physical constraints. By tapping into this technique, = service mobility, which deals with not only functional entities but also = sessions established between those entities, will become possible and = such capability is especially longed for realizing more scalable and = reliable telecom networks. This document provides the reference model = for service mobility in a virtual environment and defines the control = protocol between the virtualized platform and the manag! ing controller = to realize service mobility. >=20 > =20 > 5. Draft Name: Virtual Network Management Information Model ( > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-okita-ops-vnetmodel-03.txt) >=20 > Author/presenter: Hideki OkitaAmount of time requested: 10 = minutesAbstract: Virtual switches on server virtualization platforms = cause a=20 > problem in managing data center networks containing several hundred = switches. Accordingly, a management information model for the network = structure of data center networks containing virtual switches is = proposed. The proposed model consists of a physical layer (which = represents connections between physical switches) and a virtual layer = (which represents connections between virtual switches). These layers = also represent the association of the virtual switch with the = corresponding physical switch. This document also provides an example = of the XML-based data model that is implement! ed according to the = proposed information model. >=20 > =20 > =20 > 6.=20 > Draft Name: Syslog Extension for Cloud ( > = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-golo= vinsky-cloud-log-00.txt)=20 > Author/presenter: Gene GolovinskyAmount of time requested: 10 = minutesAbstract: This document provides an open and extensible log = format to be used by any cloud entity or cloud application to log and = trace activities that occur in the cloud. It is equally applicable for = cloud infrastructure (IaaS), platform (PaaS), and application (SaaS) = services. CloudLog is different in content, but not in nature from the = traditional logging as it takes in account transient nature of = identities and resources in the cloud. > =20 > 7.=20 > Draft Name: Cloud Service Broker ( > = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/draft-shao= -cloud-CSB-00.txt)=20 > Author/presenter: Hu JieAmount of time requested: 10 minutesAbstract: = This document introduces a Cloud Service Broker (CSB) entity to provide = brokering service between different Cloud Service Providers which can be = based on private cloud, community cloud, public cloud and hybrid cloud. > =20 > =20 > 8. > Draft Name: Cloud Reference Framework ( > = http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-khasnabish-cloud-reference-framework-00.txt= )=20 > Author/presenter: Bhumip Khasnabish Amount of time requested: 10 = minutesAbstract: This document presents a reference framework for Cloud=20= > Services, based on the survey of Cloud-based systems and services. = Intra-clo! ud and inter-cloud reference frameworks are developed, and = the requirements for each layer are also identified and discussed. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2011/3/30 Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) >=20 > Can anybody please summarize the available drafts and their goal in a = mail before we start many threads at once, which might end up in a = chaotic discussion. >=20 > I would like to understand first which drafts are there, their aim and = goals and their relationship to operations and management. >=20 > ! > May be it would be interesting if the OPSAWG chairs would filter them = somehow into two sets: relevant for OPS area and not relevant for OPS = area. >=20 > =20 > Cheers,=20 > Mehmet >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org > ] On Behalf Of ext Bhumip Khasnabish >=20 > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, ! 2011 12: 59 AM > To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE > Cc: ! yokota@kddilabs.jp; lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; = Michael.Fargano@qwest.com; spencer@wonderhamster.org; = mark.carlson@oracle.com; Sumit Na! iksatam (snaiksat); = zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; rnatale@mitre.org; = John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; opsawg@ietf.org; Masum Hasan (masum); = Sundar K Iyer; Jeff Young; vishwas@ipinfusion.com! < /a>; = surenck@gmail.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; Clive E Webber; = meng.yu@zte.com.cn; j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; = vishwas.ietf@gmail.com; Zeltsan,Zachary; ma.suan@z! te.com.cn; = marcelo@it.uc3m.es; hu.jie@zte.com.cn; TSridhar@ieee.org; = carlw@mcsr-labs.org; igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; = mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; = henry.yu@twtelecom.com; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; = marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; = shao.weixiang@zte.com.cn; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; = fjlin@research.telcordia.com; Steiner,Moritz; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; = samj@samj.net; chu.jun! sheng@zte.com.cn; dani@computados.com; Subir = Das; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; Daryl A Bourke; ajse@tid.es; = arojoy@forcetech.net; yaomin.chen@sun.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; = Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; ksankar@cisco.com >=20 > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM = on Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berlin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > Thanks Chris. Yes agreed, and have requested all of the data center = operations and management related ID owners (and developers) to do so = immediately. >=20 > =20 > We'll also announce the conf call invitation to the operations wg = mailing list. >=20 > =20 > Thanks again. >=20 > =20 > Best. >=20 > =20 > Bhumip >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE = wrote: >=20 > Greetings Ning et al, >=20 > =20 > Please do start the activity on the mailing list sooner rather later = (so we can gauge the level of activity here). Also, as this is the = operations wg, we would really like to see input from operators who are = using (or attempting) to use this technology in anger, and what the = issues are, for example. Theory is great, practice is better! :) >=20 > =20 > Thank's, >=20 > Chris >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > On 29Mar2011, at 18.31, So, Ning wrote: >=20 > =20 > All, >=20 > Given the clear direction from APS AD during the OPSAWG meeting and = the > in room discussion, all DCOPS related work will be done in OPSAWG for > now. I do not see the needs to have another separate meeting today. = It > is rather unfortunate that many Cloud related presentation could not = be > presented at this IETF meeting. I will make sure to remind everyone = to > foll ow the IETF proc! edure and upload the drafts before deadline, = and =20 >=20 > request th! e presen tation slots properly. =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > OPS AD and OPSAWG chair indicated during the meeting that they are > looking for signs of significant activity for Cloud/Data center = related > work, both from drafts (not presentations), and e-mail list = discussion, > to determine the needs for a separate WG. Personally I think that's a > good and fair instruction. Now the work has an official IETF home, so = I > strongly encourage everyone to sign up onto the OPSAWG mail list if = you > have not already done so, and freely open up any dialog you may have = in > Cloud Data Center related issues. We should try to move all future > Cloud related IETF discussions to OPSAWG and close down all other > chann! els of unofficial communication. >=20 >=20 > I am aware some of the people contributing to the Cloud IETF effort = may > not be totally clear on the IETF procedure. Please feel free to = contact >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > me directly if you have any questions. I will try my best to hel! p. = =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Ning So > Network Evolution Planning > Verizon, Inc. > (office) 972-729-7905 > (Cell) 972-955-0914 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message-! ---- > From: Keiichi SHIMA [mailto:keiichi@iijlab.net]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:54 AM > To: Bhumip Khasnabish > Cc: Keiichi SHIMA; So, Ning; shigeru.miyake.uy@hitachi.com; > surenck@gmail.com; arojoy@forcetech.net; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; > samj@samj.net; fjlin@research.telcordia.com; chu.junsheng@zte.com.cn; > ma.suan@zte.com.! cn; wang.jun17@zte.com.cn; meng.yu@zte.com.cn; > hu.jie@zte.com.cn; masum@cisco.com; mmorrow@cisco.com; > j-mambretti@northwestern.edu; yokota@kddilabs.jp; > hideki.okita.pf@hitachi.com; jamil.chawki@orange-ftgroup.com; > igor.faynberg@alcatel-lucent.com; paul.unbehagen@alcatel-lucent.com; > mike.mangino@alcatel-lucent.com; henry.yu@twtelecom.com; > John.M.Heinz@centurylink.com; gene@alertlogic.com; > thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com; dani@computados.com; ajse@tid.es; > lisamariedewar@googlemail.com; zj-chen05@mails.tsinghua.edu.cn; > vishwas.ietf@gmail.com ; marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca; > Michael.Fargano@qwes! t.com; TSridhar@ieee.org; = mark.carlson@oracle.com; >=20 >=20 >=20 > yaomin.chen@sun.com; rnatale@mitre.org > ; ksankar@cisco.com; > sundar.iyer@team.telstra.com; daryl.a.bourke@team.telstra.com; > snaiksat@cisco.com; Marco.Carugi@zte.com.cn; > Zhengping.You@aforesolutions.com; li.mingdong@zte.com.cn; > s! hao.weix iang@zte.com.cn; lizhong.jin@zte.com.cn; > ashutosh.dutta@ieee.org; vishwas@ipinfusion.com; sekiya@wide.ad.jp; > marcelo@it.uc3m.es; spencer@wonderhamster.org > ; Subir Das; Steiner, >=20 > Moritz; Zeltsan, Zachary > Subject: Re: PLS attend OPSAWG Mtg. between 9 AM and 10:15 AM on > Monday-28-March2011 in Barcelona/Berl! in >=20 >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch >=20 > break, if possible/needed, will let you know the room! number later. >=20 > I wonder if the above meeting is still p! lanned o r not. If planned, = is >=20 >=20 > there any information ! of the room? >=20 > --- > Keiichi SHIMA > Research Laborator! y, IIJ I nnovation Institute = WIDE > Project >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Bhumip Khasnabish wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > We'll have VPN oriented Cloud Services, DataCenter, and VNM related >=20 > presentations during this mtg.; the detailed agenda can be found at = the > following URL.. >=20 > =20 > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/opsawg.txt >=20 > =20 > =20 > I requested Scott and Chris to move item-8 up so that we can have {3, >=20 > 4, and 8} presentations in one cluster. >=20 > =20 > We plan to continue discussion on Tuesday (29-March2011) during lunch >=20 > break, if possible/needed, will le! t you know the room number later. >=20 > =20 > Thanks. >=20 > ! =20 >=20 > Best. >=20 > =20 > Bhumip >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >=20 > =20 > --- >=20 > =C0=EE=BF=C2=EE=A3 > Check my PGP key here: > https://! www.asga ard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From guyingjie@huawei.com Thu Mar 31 03:47:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E77F28C122 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:47:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.554 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.941, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6SN2uy9bOPdR for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga04-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675B028C11D for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIX0012V4KHKD@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:45:53 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxeml203-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIX0065R4KFQ1@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:45:53 +0800 (CST) Received: from SZXEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.59) by szxeml203-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.55) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:45:45 +0800 Received: from SZXEML503-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.109]) by szxeml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([fe80::75b7:3db9:fedc:a56d%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:45:50 +0800 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:45:49 +0000 From: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" X-Originating-IP: [172.24.2.40] To: "opsawg@ietf.org" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: zh-CN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Thread-topic: RFC for Firewall communication? Thread-index: AcvvkMykJBzx0S+MTSyX4LneAlwGcg== X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Subject: [OPSAWG] RFC for Firewall communication? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:47:11 -0000 When I presented "Dynamic Information migration" on Monday on OPSAWG session, a lady made comment that there is already a RFC defined communication "between Firewalls". I searched IETF website but failed to find the RFC. Does anybody remember what's the RFC number? As for the other Firewall/Middlebox RFCs and IDs I found, none of them defined the communication directly between Firewalls/Middleboxes. From dromasca@avaya.com Thu Mar 31 03:51:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351B93A6B37 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:51:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.17 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.17 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.429, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fLksZcY6jc+R for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B7C3A6B2D for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:51:12 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvYAAFMtcU2HCzI1/2dsb2JhbACYKo47dKR5ApkWhWEEkAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,274,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="239426822" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Mar 2011 06:52:50 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,274,1299474000"; d="scan'208";a="633390254" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Mar 2011 06:52:49 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:52:36 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] RFC for Firewall communication? Thread-Index: AcvvkMykJBzx0S+MTSyX4LneAlwGcgAAI83g References: From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" , Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] RFC for Firewall communication? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:51:13 -0000 Hi,=20 I think this was Melinda Shore. Thanks and Regards, Dan=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: opsawg-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yingjie Gu(yingjie) > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:46 PM > To: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: [OPSAWG] RFC for Firewall communication? >=20 > When I presented "Dynamic Information migration" on Monday on=20 > OPSAWG session, a lady made comment that there is already a=20 > RFC defined communication "between Firewalls". I searched=20 > IETF website but failed to find the RFC. Does anybody=20 > remember what's the RFC number? >=20 > As for the other Firewall/Middlebox RFCs and IDs I found,=20 > none of them defined the communication directly between=20 > Firewalls/Middleboxes. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >=20 From wjhns1@hardakers.net Thu Mar 31 04:00:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B60B28C10C for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QN33M0LPJXgN for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hardakers.net (mail.hardakers.net [168.150.236.43]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604F828C0D9 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dhcp-11f9.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.17.249]) by mail.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B6E723471; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: "Yingjie Gu\(yingjie\)" References: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:01:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Yingjie Gu's message of "Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:45:49 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110012 (No Gnus v0.12) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWGRFC for Firewall communication? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:00:32 -0000 >>>>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:45:49 +0000, "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" said: YG> When I presented "Dynamic Information migration" on Monday on OPSAWG YG> session, a lady made comment that there is already a RFC defined YG> communication "between Firewalls". I searched IETF website but failed YG> to find the RFC. Does anybody remember what's the RFC number? YG> As for the other Firewall/Middlebox RFCs and IDs I found, none of them YG> defined the communication directly between Firewalls/Middleboxes. RFC5189 and 5190 I believe. -- Wes Hardaker Cobham Analytic Solutions From guyingjie@huawei.com Thu Mar 31 05:45:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7EE28C0D6 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:45:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.246, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VovieZ0jALtX for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEB53A6A2B for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIX000GIA5GIU@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:46:28 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxeml201-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIX000V9A5GHH@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:46:28 +0800 (CST) Received: from SZXEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.31) by szxeml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.39) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:46:21 +0800 Received: from SZXEML503-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.109]) by SZXEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.31]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:46:27 +0800 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:46:26 +0000 From: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" In-reply-to: X-Originating-IP: [172.24.2.40] To: "opsawg@ietf.org" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-language: zh-CN Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Thread-topic: RFC for Firewall communication? 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X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:45:03 -0000 U29ycnkgZm9yIHRoZSByZXBlYXRlZCBwb3N0LiANClRoYW5rcyBmb3IgdGhlIGluZm9ybWF0aW9u LiBJIHF1aWNrIGdvIHRocm91Z2ggUkZDNTE4OSBhbmQgUkZDMzMwMyhBcmNoaXRlY3VyZSksIGhl cmUgaXMgd2hhdCBJIGZvdW5kLg0KVGhlIHB1cnBvc2Ugb2YgTUlEQ09NIGlzIHRvIGRlY291cGxl IG1pZGRsZWJveCBhbmQgYXBwbGljYXRpb24sIGJ5IGludHJvZHVjaW5nIGEgTUlEQ09NIGFnZW50 IHdobyBpcyBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbi1hd2FyZSBhbmQgZ2VuZXJhdGUvZGVsZXRlL21vZGlmeSBydWxl cyBvbiBtaWRkbGVib3ggYnkgcmVxdWVzdC9yZXNwb25zZSBtZWNoYW5pc20uIA0KDQpJdCdzIGRp ZmZlcmVudCB3aXRoIER5bmFtaWMgSW5mb3JtYXRpb24gTWlncmF0aW9uLCB3aGljaCBpcyBmcm9t IG9uZSBtaWRkbGVib3ggdG8gYW5vdGhlci4gDQpQdXQgRHluYW1pYyBJbmZvcm1hdGlvbiBNaWdy YXRpb24gaW50byBNSURDT00gc2NlbmFyaW8sIHdlIHdpbGwgZmluZCB0aGF0IGR5bmFtaWMgaW5m b3JtYXRpb24gbWlncmF0aW9uIGRvZXNuJ3QgdG91Y2ggTUlEQ09NIGFnZW50LiANCg0KQnV0IE1J RENPTSBjYW4gcHJvdmlkZSBzb21lIHJlZmVyZW5jZS4gDQoNClRoYW5rcyBhbmQgcmVnYXJkcy4N CllpbmdqaWUgR3UNCg0KDQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f DQq3orz+yMs6IG9wc2F3Zy1ib3VuY2VzQGlldGYub3JnIFtvcHNhd2ctYm91bmNlc0BpZXRmLm9y Z10gtPqx7SBZaW5namllIEd1KHlpbmdqaWUpIFtndXlpbmdqaWVAaHVhd2VpLmNvbV0NCreiy83K sbzkOiAyMDExxOoz1MIzMcjVIDE4OjQ1DQq1vTogb3BzYXdnQGlldGYub3JnDQrW98ziOiBbT1BT QVdHXSBSRkMgZm9yIEZpcmV3YWxsIGNvbW11bmljYXRpb24/DQoNCldoZW4gSSBwcmVzZW50ZWQg IkR5bmFtaWMgSW5mb3JtYXRpb24gbWlncmF0aW9uIiBvbiBNb25kYXkgb24gT1BTQVdHIHNlc3Np b24sIGEgbGFkeSBtYWRlIGNvbW1lbnQgdGhhdCB0aGVyZSBpcyBhbHJlYWR5IGEgUkZDIGRlZmlu ZWQgY29tbXVuaWNhdGlvbiAiYmV0d2VlbiBGaXJld2FsbHMiLiBJIHNlYXJjaGVkIElFVEYgd2Vi c2l0ZSBidXQgZmFpbGVkIHRvIGZpbmQgdGhlIFJGQy4gRG9lcyBhbnlib2R5IHJlbWVtYmVyIHdo YXQncyB0aGUgUkZDIG51bWJlcj8NCg0KQXMgZm9yIHRoZSBvdGhlciBGaXJld2FsbC9NaWRkbGVi b3ggUkZDcyBhbmQgSURzIEkgZm91bmQsIG5vbmUgb2YgdGhlbSBkZWZpbmVkIHRoZSBjb21tdW5p Y2F0aW9uIGRpcmVjdGx5IGJldHdlZW4gRmlyZXdhbGxzL01pZGRsZWJveGVzLg0KDQpfX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KT1BTQVdHIG1haWxpbmcg bGlzdA0KT1BTQVdHQGlldGYub3JnDQpodHRwczovL3d3dy5pZXRmLm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3Rp bmZvL29wc2F3Zw0K From melinda.shore@gmail.com Thu Mar 31 06:44:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45AF3A6B52 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:44:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PBBMGwqgQ+eq for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D061B3A687F for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so2287575wyb.31 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:46:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=j9pff8YM4sYRlaHxUUCNnILMrhC8XFAlxEicu42uV5w=; b=EcBYXzWriMes0rrvnhiOUIn1BlVMHbpYMLFR2f9iStM77DhqukOjAedn5MbrBSIfJE vG8WOsfwxwHeF4jvAERzhZp3fWx/0ZzCkymBVUPLLNgme8d5OMLWtIVC4vcsJ3XNIJ+n F6BclNTauNYVw0atFlQkUq5PWVAab9AbaRnu0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pCm0NVouVNO2590NbO9XHpiaEIwVQr2w3JAE9UYnmql2WokrNrDI7vZzzNsCcqwKMo Hfe8EHdKbLzASw7D6G3rYO161dSJh+j/z9hDVlZuJ31qFUrMl7cAWcVfnOpk5o+gJmU3 e9tPQVOsenIzYjgLV3aUWIvE5A14C4bmSKR5Q= Received: by 10.227.207.65 with SMTP id fx1mr2723176wbb.119.1301579188580; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.64.96] (dhcp-4060.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.64.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o23sm661810wbc.27.2011.03.31.06.46.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4D94857D.4070508@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:45:33 -0800 From: Melinda Shore User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] RFC for Firewall communication? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:44:50 -0000 Yingjie Gu(yingjie) wrote: > It's different with Dynamic Information Migration, which is from one middlebox to another. > Put Dynamic Information Migration into MIDCOM scenario, we will find that dynamic information migration doesn't touch MIDCOM agent. It may (or may not!) be possible to reuse some or all of the midcom MIB. It's also worth noting that it's a pretty general information for conveying information about resources to middleboxes from a trusted entity and that you'd be able to reuse substantial portions of it. I think it's worth considering reusing what you can because you're going to be dealing with an extremely difficult problem that I don't believe has been dealt with elsewhere in the IETF, which is detecting in the network that the connection has moved and where it's moved to. I think that's going to be a non-trivial piece of work, and new, and you might want to think about how you're going to marshall your volunteer resources. Melinda From guyingjie@huawei.com Thu Mar 31 06:58:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030863A6B1A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:58:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.434 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.434 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nosqy26+o4bR for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3523A6B10 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 06:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIX00048DJ6IS@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:59:30 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxeml207-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LIX000OQDJ6HC@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsawg@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:59:30 +0800 (CST) Received: from SZXEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.59) by szxeml207-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.59) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:59:25 +0800 Received: from SZXEML503-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.109]) by szxeml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([fe80::75b7:3db9:fedc:a56d%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:59:29 +0800 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:59:29 +0000 From: "Yingjie Gu(yingjie)" In-reply-to: <4D94857D.4070508@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [172.24.2.40] To: Melinda Shore Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-language: zh-CN Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Thread-topic: [OPSAWG] RFC for Firewall communication? 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Or could there be incompatibilities between big-endian and little-endian = implementations? Juergen Am 29.03.2011 um 13:17 schrieb Christopher LILJENSTOLPE: > Greetings, >=20 > We are also advancing draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats to working = group last call. Please make your comments before 0000UTC on 5 April = 2011. >=20 > Thank you, > Chris >=20 > --- > =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF > Check my PGP key here: > https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg --Apple-Mail-9--992672322 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
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= --Apple-Mail-9--992672322-- From rstory@tislabs.com Thu Mar 31 09:27:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2806E28C141 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YR5JOaWse7Dx for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walnut.tislabs.com (walnut.tislabs.com [192.94.214.200]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116BB28C155 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nova.tislabs.com (unknown [10.66.1.77]) by walnut.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C25028B0040; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ispx.vb.futz.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nova.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03981F8059; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:28:44 -0400 From: Robert Story To: Juergen Quittek Message-ID: <20110331122844.7503ed87@ispx.vb.futz.org> In-Reply-To: <4CD5A6BA-7C3C-42ED-9CBB-9ACDB3F7F77B@quittek.at> References: <3D50A761-7279-4564-A8EA-6CBAAD62CC84@cdl.asgaard.org> <4CD5A6BA-7C3C-42ED-9CBB-9ACDB3F7F77B@quittek.at> Organization: SPARTA X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/BgK1YUhalroYMtfXUM7U1aM"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats@tools.ietf.org, opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WGLC draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:27:11 -0000 --Sig_/BgK1YUhalroYMtfXUM7U1aM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:15:58 +0200 Juergen wrote: JQ> I have read the draft and have only one question: JQ> Would the byte order (endianness) in the octet arrays be obvious to an JQ> implementor? Or could there be incompatibilities between big-endian and JQ> little-endian implementations? I asked about this back in December, and got this response: On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:07:18 -0800 Randy wrote: RP> I specifically said "interchange format" RP> for IEEE floats, since that *does* specify that the sign bit comes RP> first. For a freely-available secondary reference, see RP> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754-2008#Interchange_formats Robert -- Senior Software Engineer SPARTA (dba Cobham Analytic Soloutions) --Sig_/BgK1YUhalroYMtfXUM7U1aM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk2Uq8AACgkQ7/fVLLY1mngZngCffBEJvjW3p0HZseNZBfli4I7R mE0AoJJx+7XbEJ+s57sCMFjH4yA0rdRg =sU/d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/BgK1YUhalroYMtfXUM7U1aM-- From ietf@quittek.at Thu Mar 31 09:41:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A952F3A6A3B for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:41:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J8lDYty9EOnm for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.9]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952B73A6844 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-536c.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-536c.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.83.108]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MFOim-1Q8cDu48c0-00ESYM; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:42:43 +0200 References: <3D50A761-7279-4564-A8EA-6CBAAD62CC84@cdl.asgaard.org> <4CD5A6BA-7C3C-42ED-9CBB-9ACDB3F7F77B@quittek.at> <20110331122844.7503ed87@ispx.vb.futz.org> In-Reply-To: <20110331122844.7503ed87@ispx.vb.futz.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <3A9BFBDA-6231-46C5-94E7-1BEDA5186710@quittek.at> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Juergen Quittek Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:42:42 +0200 To: Robert Story X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:T3EodvfDQmDJ8Cnp59xRm593jYOKvXPFRRDNtgP/pPf eWRHsjyeLhyO2qZdxKy1iHQ8pmAvpzuNvpKTIUF0xu2qFGGSPN Mz0V988/fFOtDU+uU+RkZ85FP5XtrymtkcBfUydap1RHhfcd/n EUrb7m37SWxzwwGQ4QZ/035WYRhJ4VJb6rSmL6dvPH33Ztqdaf xITQQmdygiYSA9TwI6F9Q== Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats@tools.ietf.org, opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WGLC draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:41:16 -0000 So, is this a "yes"? Do we think it is clear for implementors? Thanks, Juergen Am 31.03.2011 um 18:28 schrieb Robert Story: > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:15:58 +0200 Juergen wrote: > JQ> I have read the draft and have only one question: > JQ> Would the byte order (endianness) in the octet arrays be obvious to an > JQ> implementor? Or could there be incompatibilities between big-endian and > JQ> little-endian implementations? > > I asked about this back in December, and got this response: > > On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:07:18 -0800 Randy wrote: > RP> I specifically said "interchange format" > RP> for IEEE floats, since that *does* specify that the sign bit comes > RP> first. For a freely-available secondary reference, see > RP> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754-2008#Interchange_formats > > > Robert > > -- > Senior Software Engineer > SPARTA (dba Cobham Analytic Soloutions) From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Thu Mar 31 12:24:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBD93A6B96 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.111 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.111 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, FF_IHOPE_YOU_SINK=2.166, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSOXXGeZMwt3 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC963A6873 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61E0C006E; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:25:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jXNuVa6K0yAs; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:25:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1055C006D; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:25:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 103791750F39; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:25:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:25:33 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Message-ID: <20110331192533.GA35113@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE , opsawg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats@tools.ietf.org References: <3D50A761-7279-4564-A8EA-6CBAAD62CC84@cdl.asgaard.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D50A761-7279-4564-A8EA-6CBAAD62CC84@cdl.asgaard.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats@tools.ietf.org, opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WGLC draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:24:00 -0000 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:17:59PM +1100, Christopher LILJENSTOLPE wrote: > We are also advancing draft-ietf-opsawg-mib-floats to working group > last call. I (still) support this document going forward. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103