From j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Sun Dec 4 01:56:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909E921F8997 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:56:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.058 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.058 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.191, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z1AiQzddYvqK for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBDF21F893C for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27F220CBF; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:56:22 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UZH3wJ5XqlLQ; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:56:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E20320C84; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:56:21 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1626A1C04182; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:56:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:56:03 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: opsawg@ietf.org Message-ID: <20111204095602.GA71815@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: opsawg@ietf.org, "George, Wes" , Christopher LILJENSTOLPE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Subject: [OPSAWG] using anycasts of finding configuration servers X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 09:56:24 -0000 Hi, I am starting a new thread just in case this turns into a longer exchange. Since this document is not specifying a solution, we do not have to work out all details nor do we have to reach agreement on a specific solution. But I like to understand what is being proposed and which text changes should go into the I-D (so far, no concrete text was suggested). So let me try a few things: 1) The current I-D says: Pre-configuration of an IP address is brittle and not recommended. It seems that Wes and Christopher argue that once such an IP address is an anycast address, this turns into a feature. Is that correct? If so, is the goal to relax the existing text into: Pre-configuration of an IP address is brittle and not recommended unless the IP address is used as an anycast address. 2) It seems once a device talks to an anycast server and identifies itself, there needs to be some redirection mechanism. It seems for the most likely configuration protocols, that does not exist and would have to be defined. Correct or wrong? 3) I am asking (again) whether there is any experience with any products using anycasts during the bootstrapping phase. Or is this a new idea whose details still need to be worked out? And like always, concrete text change suggestions would likely make things easier. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Mon Dec 5 16:21:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1831111E80B9 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:21:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.555, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kn7qJfWywbsW for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECD911E80B8 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:21:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5DF99108C; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:21:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lT3fdJBxdY-E; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fenrir.asgaard.org (50-76-34-185-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.76.34.185]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D1E3699107E; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F013C9FE-8992-41CC-9B82-843A3CF15F21"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE In-Reply-To: <20111204095602.GA71815@elstar.local> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:21:07 -0800 Message-Id: <52967ECD-2747-413F-88C1-F84734319D5C@cdl.asgaard.org> References: <20111204095602.GA71815@elstar.local> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] using anycasts of finding configuration servers X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:21:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F013C9FE-8992-41CC-9B82-843A3CF15F21 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greetings, On 04Dec2011, at 01.56, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I am starting a new thread just in case this turns into a longer > exchange. Since this document is not specifying a solution, we do not > have to work out all details nor do we have to reach agreement on a > specific solution. But I like to understand what is being proposed and > which text changes should go into the I-D (so far, no concrete text > was suggested). So let me try a few things: >=20 > 1) The current I-D says: >=20 > Pre-configuration of an IP address is brittle and not recommended. >=20 > It seems that Wes and Christopher argue that once such an IP > address is an anycast address, this turns into a feature. Is that > correct? If so, is the goal to relax the existing text into: >=20 > Pre-configuration of an IP address is brittle and not recommended > unless the IP address is used as an anycast address. agreed >=20 > 2) It seems once a device talks to an anycast server and identifies > itself, there needs to be some redirection mechanism. It seems for > the most likely configuration protocols, that does not exist and > would have to be defined. Correct or wrong? not necessarily a re-direct. If routing is stable for the duration of = any configuration event, you can talk to any server. Since = configuration data is basically static, so long as all configuration = servers in the anycast cluster have the same data, it shouldn't matter = who you pull from. Worst case, routing shifts during a transaction = (which is probably sub-second in nature) you will end up with a TCP = reset (or similar), and just re-pull. >=20 > 3) I am asking (again) whether there is any experience with any > products using anycasts during the bootstrapping phase. Or is this > a new idea whose details still need to be worked out? 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Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:52:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FCF3CBE8-5AE0-4AC6-943A-19DEE7A29FC2"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:52:31 -0800 Message-Id: <1042412E-F30F-4C21-8091-C9AA1A18BE60@cdl.asgaard.org> To: opsawg@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Subject: [OPSAWG] minutes updated X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 21:52:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FCF3CBE8-5AE0-4AC6-943A-19DEE7A29FC2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greetings, I've updated the minutes based on requests and comments on the = list. Chris -- =20 =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc Current vCard here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.vcf --Apple-Mail=_FCF3CBE8-5AE0-4AC6-943A-19DEE7A29FC2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO3o6hAAoJEGmx2Mt/+Iw/rFMH/ilsGtMvzMaB/q1WyW2lU2m0 /KJNrvZufQP5SZrZGmDfyB8SG/v0fwFCEIDtmXlp/mL73PicI2rQlOWNIpSXMJri fH22cr6bmJXzsa10KOHnP6qc4YCh82YGM4dYsMmuavegmp1MJRrDcBHXO66bM56D kwWixYy1G2uWugtltTBCrk1fNRDVz2ujVw90/f/T+VTOLhEgodf34QlBkKKFIEvX C+IBrbfidavH7bcQJnze4A4ETIHMTmTreWU6XJkCXE4+iu2AVSH4Io2eapqCobEi FcRUukgfrRan/PfSNwYm14Q5i6/Fz1odGAMpCbrEgURiuZzyHCQsmw3aURiMOOY= =zceP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_FCF3CBE8-5AE0-4AC6-943A-19DEE7A29FC2-- From vumip1@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 14:19:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC75321F86DD; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:19:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.226 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.226 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.372, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NQdCL1V1gNG0; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A0421F844F; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by iaek3 with SMTP id k3so221331iae.31 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:19:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7CltsZj4p+Ct7LnJxz4yrTbjkZNQ7rfoyO7z0Y8xrr0=; b=w3geuNt052iY4RR+8YQotSAUqnmQ4TP3N6a3KNDWHRb3+gXseioC7IXLuiK36E09HI qMs1NIOa8eR//u9AHBejVAxane9SD8qEJjukelT9IU4MlTulzloVaaLjVpDULcfvLZEa ZVTtrwlQLVvpC2Frl2bGuVAHOB5Z3oV23s9I4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.202.65 with SMTP id kg1mr21309099igc.1.1323814790648; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.170.105 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:19:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:19:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: Bhumip Khasnabish To: dc@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447851558549604b400a699 Cc: vnrg@irtf.org, opsawg@ietf.org, l3vpn@ietf.org, apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] slides from Dr. Chu's lunch time talk on Smart Cloud Computing Network Architecture and Services during IETF-82 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:19:52 -0000 --f46d0447851558549604b400a699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the Cloud and Data center enthusiasts, the slides from Dr. Chu's lunch time talk on Smart Cloud Computing Network Architecture and Services during IETF-82 ( (on Thu-17-Nov.-2011, Taipei, Taiwan) can be found at the following website: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/attachment/wiki/Clouds/ The file names are part1-IETF-82-LunchTalk-Smart-Cloud-Computing-Network-Architecture-and-Serv= ices_v3-Public-Thu17Nov2011.pdf (990.4 KB) part2-IETF-82-LunchTalk-Smart-Cloud-Computing-Network-Architecture-and-Serv= ices_v3-Public-Thu17Nov2011.pdf (742.0 KB) part3-IETF-82-LunchTalk-Smart-Cloud-Computing-Network-Architecture-and-Serv= ices_v3-Public-Thu17Nov2011.pdf (813.0 KB) Thanks. 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For the Cloud and Data center enthusiasts, the slides from
Dr. Chu's lunch time talk on
Smart Cloud Computing Network Architecture and Services
during IETF-82 ( (on Thu-17-Nov.-2011, Taipei, Taiwan) can
be found at the following=A0 website:
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The file names are

part1-IETF-82-LunchTalk-Smart-Cloud-Computing-Network-Architecture-and-S= ervices_v3-Public-Thu17Nov2011.pdf (990.4 KB)

part2-IETF-82-LunchTalk-Smart-Cloud-Computing-Network-Architecture-and-S= ervices_v3-Public-Thu17Nov2011.pdf (742.0 KB)

part3-IETF-82-LunchTalk-Smart-Cloud-Computing-Network-Architecture-and-S= ervices_v3-Public-Thu17Nov2011.pdf (813.0 KB)

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Thanks.
Best.

Bhumip Khasnabish

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--f46d0447851558549604b400a699-- From ietf@cdl.asgaard.org Wed Dec 14 10:24:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77ED21F8AFD for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:24:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I3RRD5-FX+4x for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from asgaard.org (odin.asgaard.org [204.29.151.68]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A3F21F8AFB for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:24:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A37F9D01E4 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:24:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at asgaard.org Received: from asgaard.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (odin.asgaard.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pop88IKCSBsZ for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.254.6] (74-93-4-130-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [74.93.4.130]) by asgaard.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 67B269D01D6 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7169C378-457A-4541-B9B4-0F1641A65FF8"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:24:35 -0800 References: <20111214172546.9AAA921F8AF0@ietfa.amsl.com> To: opsawg@ietf.org Message-Id: <14FF2505-3B00-4CAC-B1A0-F87BFC0CFB8E@cdl.asgaard.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Subject: [OPSAWG] Fwd: Joint O&M / Routing Area Interim To Discuss Data Center Network Challenges X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:24:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7169C378-457A-4541-B9B4-0F1641A65FF8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Heads-up... Chris Begin forwarded message: > From: IESG Secretary > Subject: Joint O&M / Routing Area Interim To Discuss Data Center = Network Challenges=20 > Date: 14 December 2011 09.25.46 -0800 > To: IETF Announcement list > Cc: dc@ietf.org >=20 > The IETF Operations and Routing Areas will hold a two-day joint = interim meeting in late January or early February to discuss networking=20= > challenges encountered in data centers. A doodle poll has been posted = at http://www.doodle.com/hiu9xgw7tg7pkrwg in order to gauge interest=20 > and identify a convenient date. While a venue has not yet been chosen, = the IETF is considering sites in the eastern part of the United States=20= > and Canada. An attendance fee may be charged to cover meeting costs. >=20 > Those requesting time on the agenda are asked to submit Internet = Drafts in the following areas: >=20 > - New services offered through data centers > - Networking requirements for the data center > - Network architectures for the data center > - Scaling, resiliency, security issues in the data center networks >=20 > Internet Drafts considered by this meeting will specify motivation, = requirements and constraints for data center networking solutions=20 > to be developed by the IETF. Presentations regarding solutions will be = entertained only if that discussion helps to describe the problem=20 > space and time permits a balanced discussion of candidate = technologies. >=20 > All drafts presented at this meeting will be announced and discussed = on the IETF Data Center Mailing List (dc@ietf.org). 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This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Workin= g Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : An Overview of the IETF Network Management Standards Author(s) : Mehmet Ersue Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt Pages : 80 Date : 2011-12-21 This document gives an overview of the IETF network management standards and summarizes existing and ongoing development of IETF standards-track network management protocols and data models. The purpose of this document is on the one hand to help system developers and users to select appropriate standard management protocols and data models to address relevant management needs. On the other hand the document can be used as an overview and guideline by other Standard Development Organizations or bodies planning to use IETF management technologies and data models. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt From bclaise@cisco.com Wed Dec 21 14:14:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4385211E8096 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:14:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.233 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.233 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.365, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 91nkKeVHUYUC for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6228A11E8081 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:14:51 -0800 (PST) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pBLMEjG0013641; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:14:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.60.67.89] (ams-bclaise-8918.cisco.com [10.60.67.89]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pBLMEhjA021214; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:14:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4EF25A53.3010800@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:14:43 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Scott O. Bradner" , ext Christopher LILJENSTOLPE References: <20111221184240.14195.42331.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20111221184240.14195.42331.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20111221184240.14195.42331.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050100010901070408090407" Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" Subject: [OPSAWG] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:14:52 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050100010901070408090407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Scott, Hopefully, we have covered everybody's issues with this new version. Should we have another WGLC? Regards, Benoit. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:42:40 -0800 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org CC: opsawg@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF. Title : An Overview of the IETF Network Management Standards Author(s) : Mehmet Ersue Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt Pages : 80 Date : 2011-12-21 This document gives an overview of the IETF network management standards and summarizes existing and ongoing development of IETF standards-track network management protocols and data models. The purpose of this document is on the one hand to help system developers and users to select appropriate standard management protocols and data models to address relevant management needs. On the other hand the document can be used as an overview and guideline by other Standard Development Organizations or bodies planning to use IETF management technologies and data models. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt _______________________________________________ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg --------------050100010901070408090407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Scott,

Hopefully, we have covered everybody's issues with this new version.
Should we have another WGLC?

Regards, Benoit.

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Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:42:40 -0800
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
CC: opsawg@ietf.org 


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group Working Group of the IETF.

	Title           : An Overview of the IETF Network Management Standards
	Author(s)       : Mehmet Ersue
                          Benoit Claise
	Filename        : draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt
	Pages           : 80
	Date            : 2011-12-21

   This document gives an overview of the IETF network management
   standards and summarizes existing and ongoing development of IETF
   standards-track network management protocols and data models.  The
   purpose of this document is on the one hand to help system developers
   and users to select appropriate standard management protocols and
   data models to address relevant management needs.  On the other hand
   the document can be used as an overview and guideline by other
   Standard Development Organizations or bodies planning to use IETF
   management technologies and data models.


A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-03.txt

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