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Subject: [OPSAWG] RFC 7860 - thank you.
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I just wanted to quickly thank the authors of  RFC 7860 (HMAC-SHA-2
Authentication Protocols in User-Based Security Model (USM) for SNMPv3) for
hanging in there.

This Proposed Standard obsoletes RFC 7630, which was accidentally published
with an incorrect MIB MODULE-IDENTITY - this unfortunately required a bunch
of work to fix, and delayed things by ~6 months.

Thanks again,
W
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I just wanted to quickly thank the authors of=C2=A0<span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:13px">=C2=A0RFC 7860 (</span><span st=
yle=3D"line-height:1.5;font-size:13px;color:rgb(33,33,33)">HMAC-SHA-2 Authe=
ntication Protocols in User-Based</span><span style=3D"line-height:1.5;font=
-size:13px;color:rgb(33,33,33)">=C2=A0Security Model (USM) for SNMPv3) for =
hanging in there.</span><div><font color=3D"#212121"><br></font></div><div>=
<div><span style=3D"line-height:1.5;font-size:13px;color:rgb(33,33,33)">Thi=
s=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:13px;line-height=
:1.5">Proposed Standard=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);font=
-size:13px;line-height:1.5">obsoletes RFC 7630, which was accidentally publ=
ished with an incorrect=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);font=
-size:13px;line-height:1.5">MIB=C2=A0</span><font color=3D"#212121"><span s=
tyle=3D"line-height:1.5">MODULE-IDENTITY - this=C2=A0</span>unfortunately<s=
pan style=3D"line-height:1.5">=C2=A0required a bunch of work to fix, and de=
layed things by ~6 months.</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#212121">=
<span style=3D"line-height:1.5"><br></span></font></div><div><font color=3D=
"#212121"><span style=3D"line-height:1.5">Thanks again,</span></font></div>=
<div><font color=3D"#212121"><span style=3D"line-height:1.5">W</span></font=
></div><div><font color=3D"#212121"><span style=3D"line-height:1.5">(on beh=
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[It looks like we're moving some of this discussion to OPSAWG, so CCing
opsawg].

Getting back to some old threads.

On 4/8/16 10:05 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
> Eliot and I have been conversing about policies.  I proposed that I wan=
t a
> policy like:
>
> He asked me three questions:
>
> 0 what happens when the policy enforcement point (PEP) that actually
>   operationalizes the policy does not understand the policy in its
>   entirety? Does it implement what it can, or does it discard?
>
> 1 Where does connections per unit of time fit in the above?
> 2 Where does logging/notification fit into the above?
>
> I proposed that we wanted policies like this:
>
>> ---<
> I am a printer.
> I accept connections on the IPP port.
> Please be suspicious when the connections are non-local.
>
> Eliot asked:
>     > There is no concept today of <be-suspicious>.  Let me ask what ne=
twork
>     > behavior you would associate with that?
>
> I answered:
> mcr> Consider blocking them if they occur too frequently, or the
> mcr> connections have a small number of RTTs.
>
> I also think that the "be-suspicious" part might be significantly modif=
ied by
> local policy.  It could be that this results in no connections, it coul=
d be
> that it must be approved by an admin, that it's subject to some kind of=

> site-wide ACL (such connections from the VPN, intranet and partners oka=
y, not
> the wild internet...)
>
> We discussed whether we could clearly articulate other policies like
> connections/minute or connections/day that would be not-suspicious.
>
> I also suggested that this could extend beyond "THINGS" to *APPS* as we=
ll:
>
>    consider that the MUD could well be packaged with PC/Android/iPhone
>    *apps* as part of their security profile.
>    SELinux pretends to do this, but in practice configuring it is still=
 close
>    to impossible.  The MUD specification would help a lot I think.
>

I think the following criteria are built into the MUD design that makes
these sorts of changes hard:

  * The identity of the Thing is tied to either DHCP, LLDP, or 802.1AR
    attributes, which are all around the Thing itself and not an app.=20
    This having been said, if there is a way for an app to inform the
    network that it too has a MUD file, then the network can use that
    information.  The principle here is that the URL is distinct from
    its transmission means.  Also, our initial focus has been on
    admitting the device onto the network itself.  And so I think what
    we have here is future work, and I invite Michael to write a draft ;-=
)
  * As currently defined we're using the least common denominator for
    ACL capabilities.  That way the most network elements can implement
    MUD.  Question: is a time-based ACL common on a home router?  2nd
    question: what would happen to the policy if a part of it is not
    implementable?  It might be possible to put some #ifdef-like
    capability in there, but that leads to the final design criterion..
  * Keep it simple for the manufacturers, at least for the first
    version.  If they need to scratch their heads too much they'll just
    give up.

Eliot



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    <p>[It looks like we're moving some of this discussion to OPSAWG, so
      CCing opsawg].</p>
    Getting back to some old threads.<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 4/8/16 10:05 PM, Michael Richardson=

      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite=3D"mid:7855.1460145900@obiwan.sandelman.ca"
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      <pre wrap=3D"">
Eliot and I have been conversing about policies.  I proposed that I want =
a
policy like:

He asked me three questions:

0 what happens when the policy enforcement point (PEP) that actually
  operationalizes the policy does not understand the policy in its
  entirety? Does it implement what it can, or does it discard?

1 Where does connections per unit of time fit in the above?
2 Where does logging/notification fit into the above?

I proposed that we wanted policies like this:

</pre>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <pre wrap=3D"">---&lt;
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap=3D"">I am a printer.
I accept connections on the IPP port.
Please be suspicious when the connections are non-local.

Eliot asked:
    &gt; There is no concept today of &lt;be-suspicious&gt;.  Let me ask =
what network
    &gt; behavior you would associate with that?

I answered:
mcr&gt; Consider blocking them if they occur too frequently, or the
mcr&gt; connections have a small number of RTTs.

I also think that the "be-suspicious" part might be significantly modifie=
d by
local policy.  It could be that this results in no connections, it could =
be
that it must be approved by an admin, that it's subject to some kind of
site-wide ACL (such connections from the VPN, intranet and partners okay,=
 not
the wild internet...)

We discussed whether we could clearly articulate other policies like
connections/minute or connections/day that would be not-suspicious.

I also suggested that this could extend beyond "THINGS" to *APPS* as well=
:

   consider that the MUD could well be packaged with PC/Android/iPhone
   *apps* as part of their security profile.
   SELinux pretends to do this, but in practice configuring it is still c=
lose
   to impossible.  The MUD specification would help a lot I think.

</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I think the following criteria are built into the MUD design that
    makes these sorts of changes hard:<br>
    <ul>
      <li>The identity of the Thing is tied to either DHCP, LLDP, or
        802.1AR attributes, which are all around the Thing itself and
        not an app.=C2=A0 This having been said, if there is a way for an=
 app
        to inform the network that it too has a MUD file, then the
        network can use that information.=C2=A0 The principle here is tha=
t
        the URL is distinct from its transmission means.=C2=A0 Also, our
        initial focus has been on admitting the device onto the network
        itself.=C2=A0 And so I think what we have here is future work, an=
d I
        invite Michael to write a draft ;-)<br>
      </li>
      <li>As currently defined we're using the least common denominator
        for ACL capabilities.=C2=A0 That way the most network elements ca=
n
        implement MUD.=C2=A0 Question: is a time-based ACL common on a ho=
me
        router?=C2=A0 2nd question: what would happen to the policy if a =
part
        of it is not implementable?=C2=A0 It might be possible to put som=
e
        #ifdef-like capability in there, but that leads to the final
        design criterion..</li>
      <li>Keep it simple for the manufacturers, at least for the first
        version.=C2=A0 If they need to scratch their heads too much they'=
ll
        just give up.</li>
    </ul>
    <p>Eliot</p>
    <p><br>
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Hello All

We published this draft on Wi-Fi calling. We believe this is a very
relevant topic to mobile operators & SP Wi-Fi operators deploying Wi-Fi
calling services. Very much appreciate your feedback on the draft.

Regards

Byju

On 5/18/16, 1:48 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
wrote:

>
>A new version of I-D, draft-pularikkal-opsawg-wifi-calling-00.txt
>has been successfully submitted by Byju Pularikkal and posted to the
>IETF repository.
>
>Name:		draft-pularikkal-opsawg-wifi-calling
>Revision:	00
>Title:		Wi-Fi Calling Deployment Considerations
>Document date:	2016-05-18
>Group:		Individual Submission
>Pages:		26
>URL:           =20
>https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pularikkal-opsawg-wifi-calling-
>00.txt
>Status:        =20
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pularikkal-opsawg-wifi-calling/
>Htmlized:      =20
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pularikkal-opsawg-wifi-calling-00
>
>
>Abstract:
>   Carrier Wi-Fi Calling is a solution that allows mobile operators to
>   seamlessly offload mobile voice signaling and bearer traffic onto Wi-
>   Fi access networks, which may or may not be managed by the mobile
>   operators.  Mobile data offload onto Wi-Fi access networks has
>   already become very common, as Wi-Fi access has become more
>   ubiquitous.  However, the offload of mobile voice traffic onto Wi-Fi
>   networks has become prevalent only in recent years.  This was
>   primarily driven by the native Wi-Fi Calling client support
>   introduced by device vendors.  The objective of this document is to
>   provide a high level deployment reference to Mobile Operators and Wi-
>   Fi Operators on Carrier Wi-Fi Calling.
>
>                 =20
>       =20
>
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