From nobody Tue Dec 6 22:36:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B70E1295A8; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 22:36:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.116 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.116 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W4suDkdrXgyx; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 22:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80354129517; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 22:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DCC10647; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 06:36:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.168) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:36:50 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 14:36:43 +0800 From: Zhoutianran To: "opsawg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts Thread-Index: AdJQVEYJCBMLV1cSTcyLnqw8kzKLGQ== Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:36:42 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.46.237.3] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21A22793F7NKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020205.5847AE03.0171, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 08a1c5371d71d5a174339f2217381496 Archived-At: Cc: "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 06:36:56 -0000 --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21A22793F7NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGkgQWxsLA0KDQoNCg0KSW4gU2VvdWwsIHdlIGdvdCBlbm91Z2ggaW50ZXJlc3Qgb24gdGhlIElu IFNpdHUgT0FNIHdvcmsgYW5kIHBvc2l0aXZlIHJlc3BvbnNlIG9uIHJlbGF0ZWQgZHJhZnRzLg0K U28gdGhpcyBlbWFpbCBzdGFydHMgYSBmb3JtYWwgcG9sbCBmb3IgYWRvcHRpb24gdGhlIGZvbGxv d2luZyBJLURzLg0KDQoNCg0KaHR0cHM6Ly90b29scy5pZXRmLm9yZy9odG1sL2RyYWZ0LWJyb2Nr bmVycy1pbmJhbmQtb2FtLXJlcXVpcmVtZW50cy0wMi50eHQNCmh0dHBzOi8vdG9vbHMuaWV0Zi5v cmcvaHRtbC9kcmFmdC1icm9ja25lcnMtaW5iYW5kLW9hbS1kYXRhLTAyLnR4dA0KaHR0cHM6Ly90 b29scy5pZXRmLm9yZy9odG1sL2RyYWZ0LWJyb2NrbmVycy1wcm9vZi1vZi10cmFuc2l0LTAyLnR4 dA0KDQoNCg0KVG8gYmUgZWZmaWNpZW50LCB3ZSBoYXZlIHRoZSBwb2xsIGZvciB0aHJlZSBJLURz IGluIG9uZSB0aHJlYWQuIEJ1dCB5b3UgY2FuIGdpdmUgeW91ciBvcGluaW9uIG9uIGVhY2ggb2Yg dGhlbS4gQW5kIHRoZSByZXN1bHQgaXMgcGVyIEktRC4NCg0KDQoNClRoZSBxdWVzdGlvbiBpczoN CkRvIHlvdSB0aGluayB0aGF0IHRoZSBXRyBzaG91bGQgYWRvcHQgYWxsIG9yIHNvbWUgb2YgdGhl c2UgZHJhZnRzPw0KDQoNCg0KSXQgd291bGQgYmUgaGVscGZ1bCBpZiB5b3UgY291bGQgaW5kaWNh dGUgd2hldGhlciB5b3UgaGF2ZSByZWFkIHRoZSBkcmFmdHMuIElmICJ5ZXMiLCB3b3VsZCB5b3Ug bGlrZSB0byByZXZpZXcgdGhlIGRyYWZ0cyBhbmQgaGVscCB0byBpbXByb3ZlIHRoZSBkcmFmdHM/ IElmICJubyIsIGl0IGlzIGltcG9ydGFudCB0aGF0IHlvdSBwcm92aWRlIHJlYXNvbnMuDQoNCg0K DQpUaGlzIHBvbGwgd2lsbCBsYXN0IGZvciB0d28gd2Vla3MsIGVuZGluZyBvbiBUdWVzZGF5LCBE ZWNlbWJlciAyMC4NCg0KDQpUaGFua3MsDQpUaWFucmFuICYgV2FycmVuDQo= --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21A22793F7NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

 

In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive re= sponse on related drafts.
So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds.

 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requi= rements-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt

 

To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you = can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D.

 

The question is:
Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts?

 

It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the draf= ts. If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help to imp= rove the drafts? If "no", it is important that you provide reason= s.

 

This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tuesday, December 20.

 
Thanks,
Tianran & Warren

--_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21A22793F7NKGEML515MBXchi_-- From nobody Wed Dec 7 07:34:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DA91294EC; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.418 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.418 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VQC3-P5w84mv; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 190C3129F5C; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:34:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1155; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1481124881; x=1482334481; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nO5MDBk8I4Uz/6pa4o4qrf+2bvP/pj8zB9/e2MwR/ZA=; b=UaMTzRm0EM8zPwAr9esiekAVPPly1uyYHoEVDd8H0DS/81xyKt7Q+t8c SzPvB/+JqG76OjM8N3FlPW5xlgYFYWQUWnW/EBOjyv0oFgtue9LLv4YO7 3p5kZ60HE9o6E/8Xujg9dSJbL4Rc2ZdLDP2SAF0F3h9Hv66+bVMBcmcpl I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DYAgBNK0hY/51dJa1eGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBgzkBAQEBAR9agQakWZJvgg+CByuFdwKBdkESAQIBAQEBAQEBYii?= =?us-ascii?q?EaQEFOEEQCxguVwYBDAgBAYhrDqsGiz8BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXB?= =?us-ascii?q?YY+gX2CXoQaEQGFfQEEj3yKaoZMgkyIAIFziB8jhgqSESYFK2E4hXMgNAGHF4I?= =?us-ascii?q?uAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.33,310,1477958400"; d="scan'208";a="178722977" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 07 Dec 2016 15:34:35 +0000 Received: from [10.150.52.166] (dhcp-10-150-52-166.cisco.com [10.150.52.166]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id uB7FYY3v026900; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 15:34:35 GMT To: Zhoutianran , "opsawg@ietf.org" References: From: Joe Clarke Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:34:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:34:43 -0000 On 12/7/16 01:36, Zhoutianran wrote: > Hi All, > > > > In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive > response on related drafts. > So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt > > > > To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you > can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D. > > > > The question is: > Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? Yes, I support adoption of these drafts. I think that perhaps PoT might fit better in opsec, but I have no strong objection to having all the work here. > > > > It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the > drafts. If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help to > improve the drafts? If "no", it is important that you provide reasons. I have and I would be willing to help review. Joe From nobody Wed Dec 7 07:56:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F104B1294F5; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:56:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.417 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.417 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NriNK_M0av45; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4F1E1294EF; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:56:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6369; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1481126177; x=1482335777; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=q/ZDiRPXyeXOtnxQte3IpfBh8j/T850bIQEInXw8kB0=; b=JTh+y3DWJRJivXY/HAHmwRZymakcUsh2XZ3G2UuNPqnR9Na7pJlWH8EO YPzcMnUEmvgTbqHpBV7wx1t/lDeo/rgjT3GkpmczhZ6z5k8npZTdAw+r8 VtMlnso+jHL6vpNIDujKVoGgMXlbQ4zfiL4yJW/uk3xPHvg5/goRizAzH 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0B2AQB8MEhY/5tdJa1eGgEBAQECAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QgBAQEBgnNGAQEBAQEfWoEGB41BlxGPXIMTgg+CByuFdwKBdj8UAQIBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BYiiEaAEBAQR5EAIBCBEDAQIoBzIUCQgCBAENBYhvDqsPiz8BAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEXBYsZhBoRATyFQQWaZgGGS4JMiACBc4hChgqOA4QNAR83MDE?= =?us-ascii?q?4hVVyAYcXgSGBDQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.33,310,1477958400"; d="scan'208,217";a="183564256" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 07 Dec 2016 15:56:13 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-011.cisco.com (xch-aln-011.cisco.com [173.36.7.21]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id uB7FuD1l010071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Dec 2016 15:56:13 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com (173.37.102.25) by XCH-ALN-011.cisco.com (173.36.7.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 09:56:13 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) by XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 09:56:13 -0600 From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" To: Zhoutianran , "opsawg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts Thread-Index: AQHSUKJubldAHSsdk02Hh2nO8H+66Q== Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 15:56:13 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.7.151005 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.82.223.178] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D46D9A801B6252naikumarciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:56:20 -0000 --_000_D46D9A801B6252naikumarciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? Yes. I support the adoption of all 3 drafts as WG document. It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the drafts.= If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help to improve the draf= ts? If "no", it is important that you provide reasons. Yes, I have read that and willing to review and improve. Thanks, Nagendra From: OPSAWG > on b= ehalf of Zhoutianran = > Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 1:36 AM To: "opsawg@ietf.org" > Cc: "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" > Subject: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts Hi All, In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive respo= nse on related drafts. So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you can= give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D. The question is: Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the drafts.= If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help to improve the draf= ts? If "no", it is important that you provide reasons. This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tuesday, December 20. Thanks, Tianran & Warren --_000_D46D9A801B6252naikumarciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <283A46A2D7014E40B1FBB1BF4078BFD9@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Do you think that the WG= should adopt all or some of these drafts?

 

Yes. I support the adopt= ion of all 3 drafts as WG document.

 

It would be helpful if y= ou could indicate whether you have read the drafts. If "yes", wou= ld you like to review the drafts and help to improve the drafts? If "n= o", it is important that you provide reasons.


Yes, I have read that and willing to review and improve.

Thanks,
Nagendra

From: OPSAWG <opsawg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Zhout= ianran <zhoutianran@huawei.com= >
Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 a= t 1:36 AM
To: "opsawg@ietf.org" <= opsawg@ietf.org>
Cc: "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" <opsawg-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll = for In-Situ OAM drafts

Hi All,

 

In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive re= sponse on related drafts.
So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds.

 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requi= rements-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt<= br> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt

 

To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you = can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D.

 

The question is:
Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts?

 

It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the draf= ts. If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help to imp= rove the drafts? If "no", it is important that you provide reason= s.

 

This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tuesday, December 20.

 
Thanks,
Tianran & Warren

--_000_D46D9A801B6252naikumarciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Dec 8 07:58:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B79129F11; Thu, 8 Dec 2016 07:58:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H1sQz460t-CW; Thu, 8 Dec 2016 07:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 863C2129F18; Thu, 8 Dec 2016 07:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mb-3.local ([IPv6:2601:647:4201:9e61:1d7c:3ebf:d11e:dbe7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uB8Fw4Vi022938 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 8 Dec 2016 15:58:05 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nagasaki.bogus.com: Host [IPv6:2601:647:4201:9e61:1d7c:3ebf:d11e:dbe7] claimed to be mb-3.local To: draft-brockners-inband-oam-transport@tools.ietf.org, "opsawg@ietf.org" , "ipv6@ietf.org 6man" From: joel jaeggli Message-ID: <03434bca-9936-215d-abe6-a75face4209c@bogus.com> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 07:58:01 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/50.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sDr7G8x8XewRkDfOwKd6P2dAE2K4amqU8" Archived-At: Subject: [OPSAWG] draft-brockners-inband-oam-transport - interactions with header insertion. X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 15:58:17 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --sDr7G8x8XewRkDfOwKd6P2dAE2K4amqU8 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="SdOTTDpoivi3UDRDK51dwxtMxIFr63s7f"; protected-headers="v1" From: joel jaeggli To: draft-brockners-inband-oam-transport@tools.ietf.org, "opsawg@ietf.org" , "ipv6@ietf.org 6man" Message-ID: <03434bca-9936-215d-abe6-a75face4209c@bogus.com> Subject: draft-brockners-inband-oam-transport - interactions with header insertion. --SdOTTDpoivi3UDRDK51dwxtMxIFr63s7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi was reviewing https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-transport-00 I note that 2460bis work going on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis would probably take issue with header insertion as proposed as one mechanism here: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-transport-00#page-= 4 The in-band OAM options translate into options for an IPv6 extension header. The extension header would be inserted by either a host source of the packet, or by a transit/domain-edge node. --SdOTTDpoivi3UDRDK51dwxtMxIFr63s7f-- --sDr7G8x8XewRkDfOwKd6P2dAE2K4amqU8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlhJgwsACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrLIawCfcSjyXbE9bZcl3xYyWeJzk9vI EjcAn3HeuSc3z8FWIVUAPmtBQ6yubiJL =JZlC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sDr7G8x8XewRkDfOwKd6P2dAE2K4amqU8-- From nobody Wed Dec 14 06:18:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DD91296C9 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:18:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.814 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.814 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id piRQMX-ryKjl for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta240.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79A641296C1 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfedar06.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.8]) by opfedar26.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id C40F71C05D2; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:18:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.18]) by opfedar06.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id A748F80075; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:18:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM34.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::cba:56d0:a732:ef5a%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:18:34 +0100 From: To: "opsawg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Interest to work on draft-sivakumar-yang-nat? Thread-Index: AdJWFPE6Cupf2pFOTQu7K8VDVf3MkA== Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:18:33 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009DCD045@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.5] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009DCD045OPEXCLILMA3corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-sivakumar-yang-nat@tools.ietf.org" , Ian Farrer Subject: [OPSAWG] Interest to work on draft-sivakumar-yang-nat? X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:18:38 -0000 --_000_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009DCD045OPEXCLILMA3corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, In a discussion I had with one of the softwire wg co-chairs (cced), Ian sug= gested that we try to socialize this draft within opsawg: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sivakumar-yang-nat-05 I'm sending this message to solicit opsawg whether there is interest to rev= iew and (hopefully) to endorse that effort. Thank you. Cheers, Med --_000_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009DCD045OPEXCLILMA3corp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,

 

In a discussion I had with one of the softw= ire wg co-chairs (cced), Ian suggested that we try to socialize this draft = within opsawg:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sivakumar-= yang-nat-05

 

I’m sending this message to solicit o= psawg whether there is interest to review and (hopefully) to endorse that e= ffort.

 

Thank you.

 

Cheers,

Med

--_000_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009DCD045OPEXCLILMA3corp_-- From nobody Wed Dec 14 06:49:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C450D1296A6 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:49:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GTeaFksMU2U9 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D6401296F2 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh-4.fritz.box ([IPv6:2001:981:602b:1:65fa:4cf4:1baf:4b8]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id Kqot1u00G3nYkzi01qou55; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:48:55 +0100 To: Zhoutianran , "opsawg@ietf.org" References: From: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:48:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:49:00 -0000 i am not sure if it is wise to adopt these 3 drafts as WG documents at this point in time. At our WG session in Seoul, (when the WG chairs did a humm for this in the session), I spoke up and stated that during the week in Seoul there had been several presentations on inband OAM and Telemetry. And I suggested that it might be wise to first analyze what is available and already used or tested. Once we know that, we might be in a much better position to determine which type of "inband OAM" or "Telemetry" mechanism makes most sense. My understanding of the humm in the WG was" "is this sort of work interesting and do we as a WG want to work on thos". To that question, the humm seemed to indicate that we indeed do fond the work relevant and interesting and that we as the OPSAWG want to work on it. I took notes during our OPSAWG session in Seoul, and I wrote down on this topic of inband OAM (and that has been posted as draft minutes as well): Open question as where to land this work (OPS or TSV) ?? Joel: the actual OAM methods vary on what the transport is. BW: there seem to be various telemetry ideas being presented at various places (WGs, RGs) should we get a summary of what is being discussed before we adopt a particular approach Daniel King: yes we have seen some in SDNRG Benoit: how do you get the data off the devices That is still to be decided Chairs: humm for: do we i(OPSAWG) want to work on telemetry conclusion: yes we do Benoit: there is a pub/subscribe which is related So I find it a step too quick/fast to now determine which documents to adopt as WG document. Let us get (from someone versen in the field of inband OAM and telemetry) get a summary of the various types of work that has already been presented/proposed in the IETF (and possibly at other places) and let us then see if we can choose a way forward. Bert On 07/12/2016 07:36, Zhoutianran wrote: > Hi All, > > > > In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive response on related drafts. > So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt > > > > To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per > I-D. > > > > The question is: > Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? > > > > It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the drafts. If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help > to improve the drafts? If "no", it is important that you provide reasons. > > > > This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tuesday, December 20. > > > Thanks, > Tianran & Warren > > > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > From nobody Wed Dec 14 08:08:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAA912940A for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:08:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.418 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.418 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2b6NrnhVRXuG for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42F3B129AD5 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:08:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1663; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1481731731; x=1482941331; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=D32e4Z8IfQIwI/QeLWhwTCgo+jDrU/na8h1GkmwBNuE=; b=UjIiwuL2dT7jkEb4HON7xqGmJlvrO0/b78FeslJUajmx2R7TUf6A+fEy FumsNV+b6WMjUNL8uJ8Vcn6SkPkVaFARfebde+incURdEQTnSEz32H0w7 th4obTVpbANuAmqLQYsCnQwfAK1VvsXJ4yX73oYdHzMTHKbyUj5MlqbIO 0=; X-Files: signature.asc : 481 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CCAgA3blFY/xbLJq1dGwEBAQMBAQEJA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBgzcBAQEBAYEnjiZyqzCCCYhZFAECAQEBAQEBAWIdC4USgTMCXw0IAQGIZ5o?= =?us-ascii?q?rj36CKIsQAQEIAgEWD4g7CIoigl0FmmuDYYF8i1CBXQEWiCiGL4dsijcfN4EBE?= =?us-ascii?q?w6Fcz2IZQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.33,347,1477958400"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="650723206" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 14 Dec 2016 16:08:49 +0000 Received: from [10.61.98.212] (dhcp-10-61-98-212.cisco.com [10.61.98.212]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id uBEG8nOi028498 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:08:49 GMT To: "opsawg@ietf.org" From: Eliot Lear Message-ID: <614d0dec-fa43-6161-0aa1-96e8aef072c4@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:08:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5BAI0eLXhQplTHl9nGnrQ3TJ9pDgv7Os9" Archived-At: Subject: [OPSAWG] just a brief MUD update X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:08:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --5BAI0eLXhQplTHl9nGnrQ3TJ9pDgv7Os9 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="sm4HxQQuqpuJxJiml3jHQ7o1GrMGsCkae"; protected-headers="v1" From: Eliot Lear To: "opsawg@ietf.org" Message-ID: <614d0dec-fa43-6161-0aa1-96e8aef072c4@cisco.com> Subject: just a brief MUD update --sm4HxQQuqpuJxJiml3jHQ7o1GrMGsCkae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, Given that we have a bunch of assignments, I've worked with the owner of dhcpcd to get some code checked in. That has happened. There is also a pending pull request now for tcpdump, and a similar pull request will be made for the dhcp option for Wireshark. Now looking for reviews so that we can resolve issues by the March IETF. 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I am somewhat nervous about the overlap between this and OAM work undertaken in a number of working groups chiefly in the Routing Area, and I hope there can be some careful coordination. My feeling is that we should start with the requirements draft at once. I am pretty sure that once inside the WG we can quickly get important input from operators and bash it into shape. I think that the data format document may be close to being ready for adoption, but I think that there are some largish wrinkles that could do with being ironed out first. Chief among these are: - A thorough investigation of the numeric impact on the amount of data that can be sent. In other words, the change to the effective MTU - The Abstract specifically says how encapsulation will be managed for IPv6. Not only does the document later say that this is out of scope, but the mechanism proposed in the Abstract is one that worries me. - I don't like that the OAM only works if every node on the path supports it. I would like for us to achieve some form of comfortable b/w compatibility. - As an "experiment" I would like to understand how the experiment would be conducted and what would constitute success Why do I think these points should be addressed before adoption? I am worried that without looking at them first there will be an assumption that the document's is already set and 'radical' changes cannot be made. I think that my points can be handled by: - Adding a section on "MTU Concerns" that provides a pointer to the relevant part of the requirements draft, and offers up some basic maths on the expected size of OAM information in a packet. - Removing the offending text from the Abstract - Adding a section on b/w compatibility (maybe just as a placeholder) and cleaning up the text that requires every node on the path to support in-situ OAM. - Adding a section scoping the experiment that the authors think they want the WG to perform. As for the proof of transit work, I think it is a bit of a mess at the moment. It seems to be growing new approaches and options, each with drawbacks and issues. And I'm not clear on the objectives. This might be handled as with the previous document by describing and scoping the experiment, but as currently written, it would appear that the intention is to research a number of potential approaches to proof of transit rather than to experiment with a particular protocol solution, and that might make the document better suited to the NMRG. So I would like to apply a bit more caution to that document. In any event, during the process of adoption, do you think you could cut down the front page authors to a manageable number so that we know who is editing the work going forward? Thanks, Adrian From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhoutianran Sent: 07 December 2016 06:37 To: opsawg@ietf.org Cc: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts Hi All, In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive response on related drafts. So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D. The question is: Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the drafts. If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help to improve the drafts? If "no", it is important that you provide reasons. This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tuesday, December 20. Thanks, Tianran & Warren ------=_NextPart_000_09F3_01D2571F.DD04AEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Tianran,

 

I'm fairly much in agreement that this is a topic = that should be worked on in the IETF.

 

I am somewhat nervous about the overlap between = this and OAM work undertaken in a number of working groups chiefly in = the Routing Area, and I hope there can be some careful coordination. =

 

My feeling is that we should start with the = requirements draft at once. I am pretty sure that once inside the WG we = can quickly get important input from operators and bash it into = shape.

 

I think that the data format document may be close = to being ready for adoption, but I think that there are some largish = wrinkles that could do with being ironed out first. Chief among these = are:

- A thorough investigation of the numeric impact = on the amount of data that can be sent. In other words, the change to = the effective MTU

- The Abstract specifically says how encapsulation = will be managed for IPv6. Not only does the document later say that this = is out of scope, but the mechanism proposed in the Abstract is one that = worries me.

- I don't like that the OAM only works if every = node on the path supports it. I would like for us to achieve some form = of comfortable b/w compatibility.

- As an "experiment" I would like to = understand how the experiment would be conducted and what would = constitute success

 

Why do I think these points should be addressed = before adoption? I am worried that without looking at them first there = will be an assumption that the document's is already set and 'radical' = changes cannot be made. I think that my points can be handled = by:

- Adding a section on "MTU Concerns" = that provides a pointer to the relevant part of the requirements draft, = and offers up some basic maths on the expected size of OAM information = in a packet.

- Removing the offending text from the = Abstract

- Adding a section on b/w compatibility (maybe = just as a placeholder) and cleaning up the text that requires every node = on the path to support in-situ OAM.

- Adding a section scoping the experiment that the = authors think they want the WG to perform.

 

As for the proof of transit work, I think it is a = bit of a mess at the moment. It seems to be growing new approaches and = options, each with drawbacks and issues. And I'm not clear on the = objectives.  This might be = handled as with the previous document by describing and scoping the = experiment, but as currently written, it would appear that the intention = is to research a number of potential approaches to proof of transit = rather than to experiment with a particular protocol solution, and that = might make the document better suited to the NMRG. So I would like to = apply a bit more caution to that document.

  =

In any event, during the process of adoption, do = you think you could cut down the front page authors to a manageable = number so that we know who is editing the work going = forward?

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Zhoutianran
Sent: 07 December 2016 06:37
To: = opsawg@ietf.org
Cc: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: = [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM = drafts

 

= Hi All,

=  

= In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive = response on related drafts.
So this email starts a formal poll for = adoption the following I-Ds.

=  

= https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-require= ments-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt=
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt

=  

= To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you = can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per = I-D.

=  

= The question is:
Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of = these drafts?

=  

= It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the = drafts. If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help = to improve the drafts? If "no", it is important that you = provide reasons.

=  

= This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tuesday, December = 20.

=  
Thanks,
Tianran & = Warren

------=_NextPart_000_09F3_01D2571F.DD04AEC0-- From nobody Thu Dec 15 22:28:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB3B129549; Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:28:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.116 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.116 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0InlfwIZkoL8; Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:28:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF0161294ED; Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DCR22009; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 06:28:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.75) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.199) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 06:28:15 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml414-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:28:12 +0800 From: Zhoutianran To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "opsawg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts Thread-Index: AQHSVx/mUXt8+x2klEaHm0Hspz2YQqEJ7XGA Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 06:28:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <09f201d2571f$dd023dc0$9706b940$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <09f201d2571f$dd023dc0$9706b940$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.156.116] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21A2282E7CNKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020204.58538982.0134, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: f2218b2ebbc11f53c674d97a9cda67f2 Archived-At: Cc: "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 06:28:25 -0000 --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21A2282E7CNKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adrian, Thanks for your comments. The poll is to collect various opinions from the = WG. I have some preliminary reply in line. Best, Tianran From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:09 AM To: Zhoutianran; opsawg@ietf.org Cc: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts Hi Tianran, I'm fairly much in agreement that this is a topic that should be worked on = in the IETF. >> Agreed. I am somewhat nervous about the overlap between this and OAM work undertake= n in a number of working groups chiefly in the Routing Area, and I hope the= re can be some careful coordination. >> I also asked the authors about this question. Especially there is an ove= rlay OAM design team in routing area. Their drafts and outputs show they al= so want to standardize a common OAM header for various transport. My feeling is that we should start with the requirements draft at once. I a= m pretty sure that once inside the WG we can quickly get important input fr= om operators and bash it into shape. I think that the data format document may be close to being ready for adopt= ion, but I think that there are some largish wrinkles that could do with be= ing ironed out first. Chief among these are: - A thorough investigation of the numeric impact on the amount of data that= can be sent. In other words, the change to the effective MTU - The Abstract specifically says how encapsulation will be managed for IPv6= . Not only does the document later say that this is out of scope, but the m= echanism proposed in the Abstract is one that worries me. - I don't like that the OAM only works if every node on the path supports i= t. I would like for us to achieve some form of comfortable b/w compatibilit= y. - As an "experiment" I would like to understand how the experiment would be= conducted and what would constitute success Why do I think these points should be addressed before adoption? I am worri= ed that without looking at them first there will be an assumption that the = document's is already set and 'radical' changes cannot be made. I think tha= t my points can be handled by: - Adding a section on "MTU Concerns" that provides a pointer to the relevan= t part of the requirements draft, and offers up some basic maths on the exp= ected size of OAM information in a packet. - Removing the offending text from the Abstract - Adding a section on b/w compatibility (maybe just as a placeholder) and c= leaning up the text that requires every node on the path to support in-situ= OAM. - Adding a section scoping the experiment that the authors think they want = the WG to perform. >> Thanks for your comments and suggestions. As for the proof of transit work, I think it is a bit of a mess at the mome= nt. It seems to be growing new approaches and options, each with drawbacks = and issues. And I'm not clear on the objectives. This might be handled as = with the previous document by describing and scoping the experiment, but as= currently written, it would appear that the intention is to research a num= ber of potential approaches to proof of transit rather than to experiment w= ith a particular protocol solution, and that might make the document better= suited to the NMRG. So I would like to apply a bit more caution to that do= cument. >> In my opinion, the objective of the POT draft is to demonstrate a soluti= on for an applicable use case with in-situ OAM. In any event, during the process of adoption, do you think you could cut do= wn the front page authors to a manageable number so that we know who is edi= ting the work going forward? >> I think 5 authors is preferred. But at least the authors can add "Ed." t= ag after the editors. Thanks, Adrian From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhoutianran Sent: 07 December 2016 06:37 To: opsawg@ietf.org Cc: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts Hi All, In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive respo= nse on related drafts. So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you can= give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D. The question is: Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the drafts.= If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help to improve the draf= ts? If "no", it is important that you provide reasons. This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tuesday, December 20. Thanks, Tianran & Warren --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21A2282E7CNKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Adrian,<= /p>

 

Thanks for your comments. The= poll is to collect various opinions from the WG.

I have some preliminary reply= in line.

 

Best,

Tianran

From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:09 AM
To: Zhoutianran; opsawg@ietf.org
Cc: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts

 

Hi Tianran= ,

 = ;

I'm fairly= much in agreement that this is a topic that should be worked on in the IET= F.

 = ;

>> Agreed.

 

I am somew= hat nervous about the overlap between this and OAM work undertaken in a num= ber of working groups chiefly in the Routing Area, and I hope there can be some careful coordination.

 

>> I also asked the aut= hors about this question. Especially there is an overlay OAM design team in= routing area. Their drafts and outputs show they also want to standardize a common OAM header for various transport. =

 = ;

My feeling= is that we should start with the requirements draft at once. I am pretty s= ure that once inside the WG we can quickly get important input from operators and bash it into shape.

 = ;

I think th= at the data format document may be close to being ready for adoption, but I= think that there are some largish wrinkles that could do with being ironed out first. Chief among these are:

- A thorou= gh investigation of the numeric impact on the amount of data that can be se= nt. In other words, the change to the effective MTU

- The Abst= ract specifically says how encapsulation will be managed for IPv6. Not only= does the document later say that this is out of scope, but the mechanism proposed in the Abstract is one that worries me.<= /span>

- I don't = like that the OAM only works if every node on the path supports it. I would= like for us to achieve some form of comfortable b/w compatibility.

- As an &q= uot;experiment" I would like to understand how the experiment would be= conducted and what would constitute success

 

Why do I t= hink these points should be addressed before adoption? I am worried that wi= thout looking at them first there will be an assumption that the document's is already set and 'radical' changes cannot be made. I thin= k that my points can be handled by:

- Adding a= section on "MTU Concerns" that provides a pointer to the relevan= t part of the requirements draft, and offers up some basic maths on the expected size of OAM information in a packet.

- Removing= the offending text from the Abstract

- Adding a= section on b/w compatibility (maybe just as a placeholder) and cleaning up= the text that requires every node on the path to support in-situ OAM.

- Adding a= section scoping the experiment that the authors think they want the WG to = perform.

 = ;

>> Thanks for your comm= ents and suggestions.

 

As for the= proof of transit work, I think it is a bit of a mess at the moment. It see= ms to be growing new approaches and options, each with drawbacks and issues. And I'm not clear on the objectives.  This might be handl= ed as with the previous document by describing and scoping the experiment, = but as currently written, it would appear that the intention is to research= a number of potential approaches to proof of transit rather than to experiment with a particular protocol solu= tion, and that might make the document better suited to the NMRG. So I woul= d like to apply a bit more caution to that document.

>> In my opinion, the o= bjective of the POT draft is to demonstrate a solution for an applicable us= e case with in-situ OAM.

 

In any eve= nt, during the process of adoption, do you think you could cut down the fro= nt page authors to a manageable number so that we know who is editing the work going forward?

 = ;

>> I think 5 authors is= preferred. But at least the authors can add “Ed.” tag after th= e editors.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 = ;

From: OPSAWG [ma= ilto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhoutianran
Sent: 07 December 2016 06:37
To: opsawg@ietf.org
Cc: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org=
Subject: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts=

 

Hi All,

 

In Seoul, we got enough interest = on the In Situ OAM work and positive response on related drafts.
So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds.

 

https://tools.ietf.or= g/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt

 

To be efficient, we have the poll= for three I-Ds in one thread. But you can give your opinion on each of the= m. And the result is per I-D.

 

The question is:
Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts?

 

It would be helpful if you could = indicate whether you have read the drafts. If "yes", would you li= ke to review the drafts and help to improve the drafts? If "no", = it is important that you provide reasons.

 

This poll will last for two weeks= , ending on Tuesday, December 20.

 
Thanks,
Tianran & Warren

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It seems to be growing new approaches and options, each with > drawbacks and issues. And I'm not clear on the objectives. This might > be handled as with the previous document by describing and scoping the > experiment, but as currently written, it would appear that the > intention is to research a number of potential approaches to proof of > transit rather than to experiment with a particular protocol solution, > and that might make the document better suited to the NMRG. So I would > like to apply a bit more caution to that document. I think that there are two proof of transit solutions needed. One for network operators for simple operational verification and one for commercial or regulatory situations. In the first case one can assume a benign environment and use a lightweight approach. In the other one must assume a hostile environment and apply a more stringent proof. 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On 15/12/2016 22:09, Adrian Farrel wrote:
As for the proof of transit work, I think it is a bit of a mess at the moment. It seems to be growing new approaches and options, each with drawbacks and issues. And I'm not clear on the objectives.  This might be handled as with the previous document by describing and scoping the experiment, but as currently written, it would appear that the intention is to research a number of potential approaches to proof of transit rather than to experiment with a particular protocol solution, and that might make the document better suited to the NMRG. So I would like to apply a bit more caution to that document.

I think that there are two proof of transit solutions needed. One for network operators for simple operational verification and one for commercial or regulatory situations. In the first case one can assume a benign environment and use a lightweight approach. In the other one must assume a hostile environment and apply a more stringent proof. Maybe one can be a variant of the other, but this should not be at the cost of performance and implementation expense.

- Stewart
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2016 00:54:38 -0500 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: Zhoutianran Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts Thread-Index: AdJQVEYJCBMLV1cSTcyLnqw8kzKLGQLJFmcA Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 05:54:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.82.246.83] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_A9AD6FE935D54FE7B71003CCAF311205ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" , "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 05:54:43 -0000 --_000_A9AD6FE935D54FE7B71003CCAF311205ciscocom_ 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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2016-12-21_07:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1612050000 definitions=main-1612210169 Archived-At: Cc: "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 10:03:26 -0000 --_000_0d033ae972db4c1f99a3cb33b0ad1801ILEXCH01marvellcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, As a co-author I support WG adoption of these documents. I believe the OPSA WG is the most suitable place for these drafts, since th= ey present an OAM solution that may be applicable to both the Routing area = (e.g., NVO3, SFC), and the Internet area (6man). The in-situ work has a cro= ss-area nature on one hand, but is pretty specific on the other hand --- it= is not intended to be a generic OAM solution for overlay protocols, and th= erefore is not intended to overlap with the work of the RTG area Overlay OA= M DT. Therefore, I believe the OPSA WG is the best place to foster the in-situ OA= M work. Thanks, Tal. From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhoutianran Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 8:37 AM To: opsawg@ietf.org Cc: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [EXT] [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts Hi All, In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive respo= nse on related drafts. So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you can= give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D. The question is: Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the drafts.= If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help to improve the draf= ts? If "no", it is important that you provide reasons. This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tuesday, December 20. Thanks, Tianran & Warren --_000_0d033ae972db4c1f99a3cb33b0ad1801ILEXCH01marvellcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 <= /p>

As a co-author I support = WG adoption of these documents.

 <= /p>

I believe the OPSA WG is = the most suitable place for these drafts, since they present an OAM solutio= n that may be applicable to both the Routing area (e.g., NVO3, SFC), and the Internet area (6man). The in-situ work has a cross-are= a nature on one hand, but is pretty specific on the other hand --- it is no= t intended to be a generic OAM solution for overlay protocols, and therefor= e is not intended to overlap with the work of the RTG area Overlay OAM DT.

 <= /p>

Therefore, I believe the = OPSA WG is the best place to foster the in-situ OAM work.=

 <= /p>

Thanks,=

Tal.

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

From: OPSAWG [= mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhoutianran
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 8:37 AM
To: opsawg@ietf.org
Cc: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [EXT] [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts=

 

Hi All,

 

In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ = OAM work and positive response on related drafts.
So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds.

 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-br= ockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt

 

To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds= in one thread. But you can give your opinion on each of them. And the resu= lt is per I-D.

 

The question is:
Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts?

 

It would be helpful if you could indicate whethe= r you have read the drafts. If "yes", would you like to review th= e drafts and help to improve the drafts? If "no", it is important that you provide reasons.

 

This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tue= sday, December 20.

 
Thanks,
Tianran & Warren

--_000_0d033ae972db4c1f99a3cb33b0ad1801ILEXCH01marvellcom_-- From nobody Wed Dec 21 03:42:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70523129D63 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 03:42:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KakGgN5mIKjI for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 03:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DABDC129D4F for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 03:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh-4.local ([78.109.10.186]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id Nbiq1u00740qCee01bir5G; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 12:42:52 +0100 To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" References: <216B3CE9-614C-4756-AA86-C8DE4F7226E6@cisco.com> From: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 12:42:50 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <216B3CE9-614C-4756-AA86-C8DE4F7226E6@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" , "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 11:42:57 -0000 Quick reply, I am in the hospital at the moment awaiting heart surgery. So I am not going to dig up the pointers now (maybe in a few weeks if still needed). Hope you or someone else can find the relevant pointers. In any event, I believe that Benoit and Adrian are aware of all the other ongoing work. Sorry, Bert On 21/12/2016 07:02, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: > Hi, Bert, > > Please find a couple of follow-ups inline. > > — > Carlos Pignataro, carlos@cisco.com > > /“Sometimes I use big words that I do not fully understand, to make myself sound more photosynthesis."/ > >> On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Bert Wijnen (IETF) > wrote: >> >> i am not sure if it is wise to adopt these 3 drafts as WG documents at this >> point in time. At our WG session in Seoul, (when the WG chairs did a humm for >> this in the session), I spoke up and stated that during the week in Seoul >> there had been several presentations on inband OAM and Telemetry. > > Would it be possible for you to share pointers to (at least a few of the several) specific presentations and Internet-Drafts that > overlap with or complement this work? > > Note that the title of this documents was renamed to “In-Situ†(with thanks to Erik Nordmark for the suggestion) so as to not > confuse with the IETF definition of “inbandâ€. > >> And I suggested that it might be wise to first analyze what is available and >> already used or tested. Once we know that, we might be in a much better >> position to determine which type of "inband OAM" or "Telemetry" mechanism makes >> most sense. >> > > Since specific pointers on what’s available is a pre requisite to understanding the landscape, see above. > >> My understanding of the humm in the WG was" "is this sort of work interesting >> and do we as a WG want to work on thos". To that question, the humm seemed to >> indicate that we indeed do fond the work relevant and interesting and that we >> as the OPSAWG want to work on it. I took notes during our OPSAWG session in >> Seoul, and I wrote down on this topic of inband OAM (and that has been posted >> as draft minutes as well): >> >> Open question as where to land this work (OPS or TSV) ?? >> >> Joel: the actual OAM methods vary on what the transport is. >> >> BW: there seem to be various telemetry ideas being presented at various places >> (WGs, RGs) should we get a summary of what is being discussed before we >> adopt a particular approach > > “Telemetry†is such a broadly defined word that invariably, there will be “telemetry work†everywhere. When we focus and narrow > scope on the actual specifics of in-situ OAM, that does not seem to be the case anymore. > > I do not believe the question is “does the WG want to take on telemetryâ€. > >> Daniel King: yes we have seen some in SDNRG >> Benoit: how do you get the data off the devices >> That is still to be decided >> Chairs: humm for: do we i(OPSAWG) want to work on telemetry >> conclusion: yes we do >> Benoit: there is a pub/subscribe which is related >> >> So I find it a step too quick/fast to now determine which documents to adopt >> as WG document. Let us get (from someone versen in the field of inband OAM >> and telemetry) get a summary of the various types of work that has already been >> presented/proposed in the IETF (and possibly at other places) and let us then >> see if we can choose a way forward. >> > > I believe it is a fair request to compare and contrast and understand a broader picture. But that request expects more specifics > than a perhaps someone else should do it. > > Given the very specific requirements detailed by operators and vendors in draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt, the fact > that we had to create a new descriptor (i.e., “In-Situâ€) for this approach, and lack of specifics, it seems to me that the area of > in-situ OAM is non-overlapping with other “telemetry" potential work elsewhere. > > Thanks, > > — Carlos. > >> Bert >> >> On 07/12/2016 07:36, Zhoutianran wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> >>> >>> In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive response on related drafts. >>> So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt >>> >>> >>> >>> To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per >>> I-D. >>> >>> >>> >>> The question is: >>> Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? >>> >>> >>> >>> It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the drafts. If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help >>> to improve the drafts? If "no", it is important that you provide reasons. >>> >>> >>> >>> This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tuesday, December 20. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tianran & Warren >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OPSAWG mailing list >>> OPSAWG@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OPSAWG mailing list >> OPSAWG@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > From nobody Thu Dec 22 23:33:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8451299A1 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2016 23:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7cSrXv0m4SnF for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2016 23:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.iisc.ernet.in (relay.iisc.ernet.in [14.139.128.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8DF1294D4 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2016 23:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ece.iisc.ernet.in (www.ece.iisc.ernet.in [10.32.1.10]) by relay.iisc.ernet.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61722AE6422 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:03:13 +0530 (IST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] ([10.32.12.244]) by ece.iisc.ernet.in (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id uBN7Zdbd017296 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:05:39 +0530 From: "S.V.R.Anand" Organization: IISc To: opsawg@ietf.org Message-ID: <96c75d75-6f97-fe68-071d-5567049de9e7@ece.iisc.ernet.in> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:03:12 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------30085B5B404A845DAE1434F2" X-IISc-MailScanner-Information: Please contact nethelp@serc.iisc.in for more information X-IISc-MailScanner-ID: 61722AE6422.A6FF9 X-IISc-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-IISc-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-5.988, required 6.5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, NO_RDNS2 0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD -3.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-IISc-MailScanner-From: anand@ece.iisc.ernet.in MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1483083194.41705@RhLspZziQQOVqIKzRXmQZQ Archived-At: Subject: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: anand@ece.iisc.ernet.in List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 07:33:25 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------30085B5B404A845DAE1434F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I support the adoption of all the drafts. The In-situ OAM Edge-to-Edge option, in particular, is very useful to our work [1] as it allows us to carry packet expiration time that helps intermediate routers to make routing and forwarding scheduling decisions to support latency sensitive application flows, thereby realising deterministic networking. In this context, there has been an interesting discussion [2] on this topic on the 6tisch mailing list few months back. Refs : [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lijo-6lo-expiration-time-00 [2] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6tisch/current/msg04742.html Anand On 12/7/16 01:36, Zhoutianran wrote: Hi All, In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive response on related drafts. So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D. The question is: Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------30085B5B404A845DAE1434F2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
Hi,

I support the adoption of all the drafts.

The In-situ OAM Edge-to-Edge option, in particular, is very useful to our
work [1] as it allows us to carry packet expiration time that helps intermediate routers
to make routing and forwarding scheduling decisions to support latency 
sensitive application flows, thereby realising deterministic networking. 
In this context, there has been an interesting discussion [2] on this topic on the 6tisch 
mailing list few months back.

Refs :

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lijo-6lo-expiration-time-00
[2] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6tisch/current/msg04742.html


Anand




On 12/7/16 01:36, Zhoutianran wrote:

Hi All,



In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive
response on related drafts.
So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds.



https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt



To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you
can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D.



The question is:
Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts?

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Looking forward to discussions = and collaboration on this interesting topic. =20 Thanks, Ramki =20 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ram krishnan > Date: Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 1:59 PM Subject: FW: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts To: Ram Krishnan > =20 On 12/7/16 01:36, Zhoutianran wrote: Hi All, =20 =20 =20 In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive response on related drafts. So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds. =20 =20 =20 = =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.tx= t https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt =20 =20 =20 To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D. =20 =20 =20 The question is: Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? =20 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner, and is = believed to be clean.=20 =20 --=20 Thanks,=20 Ramki ------=_NextPart_001_010F_01D25E04.32E31A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support adoption of these = drafts.

 

In = addition, I would like bring a closely related draft to your attention = -- https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krishnan-opsawg-in-band-pro-sla/?include_text=3D= 1

 

This = draft brings some important contributions in the area of requirements = and data formats for

-          = IPSEC tunneling =

-          = Pre-construction/minimizing = of Telemetry header

-          = Service chaining =E2=80=93 = benefits beyond the network interconnect

 

I = was hoping to get this draft out by Seoul timeframe and make it in = person, unfortunately couldn=E2=80=99t. Looking forward to discussions = and collaboration on this interesting topic.

 

Thanks,

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>Ramki

 

---------- = Forwarded message ----------
From: ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com>
Date: = Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 1:59 PM
Subject: FW: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll = for In-Situ OAM drafts
To: Ram Krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com>

 =

 = On 12/7/16 01:36, Zhoutianran wrote:

Hi =
All,
 
 
 
In Seoul, we got enough interest on =
the In Situ OAM work and positive
response on =
related drafts.
So this email starts a formal poll =
for adoption the following =
I-Ds.
 
 <=
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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-=
requirements-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-=
data-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-tr=
ansit-02.txt
 
 <=
o:p>
 
To be efficient, we =
have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But =
you
can give your opinion on each of them. And the =
result is per =
I-D.
 
 
 
The question =
is:
Do you think that the WG should adopt all or =
some of these =
drafts?
 
 


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------=_NextPart_001_010F_01D25E04.32E31A30-- ------=_NextPart_000_010E_01D25E04.32E31A30 Content-Type: text/plain; name="Untitled attachment 00145.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Untitled attachment 00145.txt" OHQAWGkaClgnAlgsNGNSAWEieldoLghtNhs/fwwwCWtfIjg/GSglGSl/FistCndofgps ------=_NextPart_000_010E_01D25E04.32E31A30-- From nobody Sun Dec 25 14:23:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F43129507; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:23:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sQGUUgnIQlO4; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C2A1129430; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:23:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uBPMNhPJ000401; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:23:43 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.251.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uBPMNH3l032518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:23:41 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Carlos Pignataro \(cpignata\)'" References: <09f201d2571f$dd023dc0$9706b940$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:23:18 -0000 Message-ID: <000901d25efd$8dc042d0$a940c870$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQC2uTGtjzecglLKEDxPRYYWEv2+AAE3PU/qAi5K1cejNUtc0A== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22784.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--23.570-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--23.570-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: yebcs53SkkCBnJ5ETtWXfQPZZctd3P4Bt3aeg7g/usDkMnUVL5d0E8nW Rj+Z/YNj6TTFxdp2u8t0gjKGYJ/wAQBLiso5jLwzSEQN/D/3cG7omPrNi98UBOlW1WOD8utloNI Vs1K85ycGUYoIEbrLC5Cb7pV5uH7c75AYjNXjYl5oMLOoNHsM9n+vzHfC29pfn3DVY6ulE0xAPN HJ6d1lG7pTDpjXDN2e9xbvVNC6xjSLntYqmSr8Nk0IfQOJvRLRywXStpqWmJZ77G36GYsVE3v7I o91rBfwwHr4TOrphGXt7jq/th8X+0vsOGGHnm3GICsP4rpeGcdj4Dr+uO34yRjQD3m2MCf7b1W5 p1u8tFwUOU+isii6s/u/mfpUMI8S2opdiF55LD74vYawCsCC2nN3sLsG0mhuV6KWY8jugmXRNg3 irqFeMOFm1qzVq+oB+ktmHEJMxhW1JENQO/Nrk8+ayFtEW0uYzJmqByfAaS1xhlodgAVtL4y9bZ LB2g0gnROnM8/nlYUhUWn9w8dkeFcVV88hutH49iItFUn3XkPNKdtHc3A3XLkiJ/BgvX6rcKFqe tPcJ4iZBgqAuvN9CME82ROrxh9cIvi8tYxfenFUXvI6K7iraYRCIqjbwa5jMMn1rcqKQaglCrPm l4DMo316uBKeQo0TF8peH5Y8hXkriDKMHDa/BS/T1r68E/jWQa2sDHLkQ05BTdeoy0R9D1atrWl 0ihCfeao5kQsenhGzNEZf4yPKRPsW8R06Lwcg04Rmz/agfdxCs7hdHoFFA7HwNywNkax+wMGhP0 Wjg/9Z4t+2zMPBjsrpjUJEQv++7lZOXqaVZ4+eAiCmPx4NwFkMvWAuahr8+gD2vYtOFhgqtq5d3 cxkNQP90fJP9eHt Archived-At: Cc: opsawg@ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:23:55 -0000 And just replying to the other email in the branched thread... >> I am somewhat nervous about the overlap between this and OAM work=20 >> undertaken in a number of working groups chiefly in the Routing Area, >> and I hope there can be some careful coordination.=20 > > I believe the potentially perceived overlap is not real, and = I=E2=80=99m not nervous about it. > > I understand the word =E2=80=9COAM=E2=80=9D is overlapping with work = happening elsewhere inside > and outside the IETF. However, when we look right underneath the thin = surface, the > overlap quickly tends to zero. > > Looking at the OAM work in the RTG Area, and in particular the RTG-AD = chartered > Design Team, it seems to extend as far as defining an OAM protocol = indication > header pre-pended to specific OAM probe packets, modeled after the = MPLS G-ACh. That's fine. And it really shouldn't be hard or time-consuming to close = this loop. Two groups of people doing work. One group looks at the other's work and = says "no overlap." Let's just ask the other group (perhaps through an AD = or a DT lead?) [snip] >> I think that the data format document may be close to being ready for = adoption, >> but I think that there are some largish wrinkles that could do with = being ironed >> out first. Chief among these are: > > I believe that these are four great pieces of input, which should be = ironed out with > WG input as a WG document. On the whole I am not someone who believes we should try to polish a = document before adoption. in fact that annoys me. But see my note below = on why I think these things should be ironed out first. We seem to agree that either fixes or some direction would be easy to = apply, so perhaps we can work on that and then adopt? > And that: >> - A thorough investigation of the numeric impact on the amount of = data that can be sent. >> In other words, the change to the effective MTU > > as an adoption poll, this is an area that would use WG input once = adopted. So, I think you are saying that if, once adopted we found that this = approach required adding 1024 bytes to every packet [deliberately crass = example!] the WG would be happy to ditch a WG draft. My (sad) experience = is that once a document is adopted it has a sad an unfortunate life of = its own.=20 But, hey, this one isn't hard to resolve. We have a packet format and = some code. So it is going to be really easy to say (ball park) how many = bytes we're talking of adding into a data packet, and (roughly) how many = packets in a flow this would be done to. Then everyone can quickly see = that they are OK with the idea and we can move forward. >> - The Abstract specifically says how encapsulation will be managed = for IPv6. >> Not only does the document later say that this is out of scope, but = the >> mechanism proposed in the Abstract is one that worries me. > > This is a quick fix. But yes, needs to be fixed :-) Good. So just do it :-) But which way do you intend to fix it? Is v6 in or out of scope? >> - I don't like that the OAM only works if every node on the path >> supports it. I would like for us to achieve some form of comfortable >> b/w compatibility. > > I would state this quite differently. iOAM does not stop working in a > brownfield, or when only some nodes support it.=20 > > It is, as such, a backwards compatible approach, in which legacy nodes > are transparent. > > But for new features we need to have new code, and here a good > thing is that there is running code. That is entirely good and proper. Apologies, I may have misread the last paragraph in section 3. I can't = otherwise find anything that firmly says what I thought I had read = although 3.1 does say... "In-situ OAM tracing data" is expected to be collected at every node that a packet traverses, i.e., in a typical deployment all nodes in an in-situ OAM-domain would participate in in-situ OAM and thus be in-situ OAM transit nodes, in-situ OAM encapsulating or in-situ OAM decapsulating nodes. ...which is probably a little stronger than intended. Anyway, it's enough that you say brownfield progressive deployment is = intended. Hopefully adding that note to the document is easy and we can = work on the details later. >> - As an "experiment" I would like to understand how the experiment = would be >> conducted and what would constitute success > > The experiment is ongoing in FD.io and other places, and hopefully the = IETF does > not fall behind. But this does beg another question for the WG, which = is regarding > the best intended status, and we would like WG input for it. Yes, a good question. And nothing prevents a WG moving a document from one status to another = if there is consensus. I think running code is great, but it doesn't quite answer the = questions, "How will you judge the success of the experiment?" and, = "What is the nature of the garden wall you mean to employ?"=20 >> Why do I think these points should be addressed before adoption? I am = worried that >> without looking at them first there will be an assumption that the = document's is already >> set and 'radical' changes cannot be made.=20 > > The question on adoption as you know is whether the document provides = a solid basis as > a starting point, not if it is fixed. Agreed. And I am not asking for a fixed document. I am just asking what our = direction is intended to be? I'm sure our intention is not simply to document some running code. So it's just a matter of a few lines of text to make sure we're all = aligned on purpose and then away we go. Perhaps we have already spent longer discussing than it would have taken = to tweak the document as I suggested... >> I think that my points can be handled by: >> - Adding a section on "MTU Concerns" that provides a pointer to the = relevant >> part of the requirements draft, and offers up some basic maths on = the expected >> size of OAM information in a packet. >> - Removing the offending text from the Abstract >> - Adding a section on b/w compatibility (maybe just as a placeholder) = and cleaning >> up the text that requires every node on the path to support in-situ = OAM. >> - Adding a section scoping the experiment that the authors think they = want the >> WG to perform. > > These seem to be all good areas to work on and add. And in fact would = love to have > your text on the MTU area. Hmmm. I could take a stab after the break, but don't let me be the = bottleneck. If you have the code running it will be really simple to say things like = the following and fill in the blanks. "OAM trace is likely to add n bytes per hop. As noted, the maximum = diameter of the network should be known in advance because of the total = data needed to capture a path trace across the OAM domain. A reasonable = assumption might be that an in-situ OAM has diameter of x hops so that = tracing the route would add nx bytes and therefore applying this = approach in networks where the MTU is less than y would be ill advised. Furthermore, it should be noted that if in-situ OAM is applied to all = packets in a flow it will reduce throughput by the corresponding number = of OAM bytes. Therefore it is important to consider whether in-situ OAM = can be applied to a and that . However, proof = of transit may need to be applied to all packets if it forms part of = validating a service or ensuring security, and so both the MTU and = throughput issue may apply. Section 4.2 of [in-situ-reqs] discusses the implications for MTU of = carrying in-situ OAM." >> As for the proof of transit work, I think it is a bit of a mess at = the moment. It=20 >> seems to be growing new approaches and options, each with drawbacks = and >> issues. And I'm not clear on the objectives. This might be handled = as with the >> previous document by describing and scoping the experiment, but as = currently >> written, it would appear that the intention is to research a number = of potential >> approaches to proof of transit rather than to experiment with a = particular >> protocol solution, and that might make the document better suited to = the >> NMRG. So I would like to apply a bit more caution to that document. > > That=E2=80=99s interesting, because the Abstract is here ask well = quite prescriptive: > > This document defines > mechanisms to securely prove that traffic transited said defined > path. These mechanisms allow to securely verify whether, within a > given path, all packets traversed all the nodes that they are > supposed to visit. Per my other email, part of the problem is with the plurality of = "mechanisms". Is the intention to research the different mechanisms and = narrow down, or is it to have a single solution with multiple options = depending on the precise features that the application demands? Cheers, Adrian From nobody Sun Dec 25 14:24:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D4D129507; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:23:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XdYnsvYSuKJs; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C107128B37; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:23:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uBPMNi4W000422; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:23:44 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.251.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uBPMNH3m032518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:23:43 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Carlos Pignataro \(cpignata\)'" , "'Zhoutianran'" References: <09f201d2571f$dd023dc0$9706b940$@olddog.co.uk> <6BBE805B-0929-49A1-BAA3-570E4C25B0EF@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <6BBE805B-0929-49A1-BAA3-570E4C25B0EF@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:23:18 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01d25efd$8ed7cd50$ac8767f0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQC2uTGtjzecglLKEDxPRYYWEv2+AAE3PU/qAgSidY4CVuXt6KMj0/5A Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22784.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--22.291-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--22.291-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: rYpa/RC+czE4HKI/yaqRm2zBijri5+RVkDcI8NfWJyTjsTquy0JRi/Lr scaVtLwELrRJhHE7/KFBeZNJBGEM9sPlDt/vDJ7EEu5bhrerZYb2acON9Q+rngv/nTOPQovsa6R sXYU1kJeKhzwq031iGHpWhJJQr16x75AYjNXjYl6dtRmRhPNchuT21hAXfl+BN2WxgvaD/zsRuf WO7VYYMW5y6UcS70rMz+dv4ZkOgOGjqaJ4m4ncdWivjLE8DPtZBgA+oehWZhFeNs5tWYvjCa4pX Qw6KYDbDmY5qEgIsmFu+Yq0OUp47g0OY2pvo6ZKb8JTZf0kEzvDHSNFHFxB86vM+zzl/BSTvCEk FhS4R3CnhCVwfNCJB6m79IlG/DwF7Du7tIiGKVZlaIdZFZ6JG07TaZP2WLdUbcPp/oilssj9VAb ehV/HftqjYtRDZTTl35UAiG573+KsT6Dr98/byU29IpGgxpSvYpovC7zX5q8ifM7JMNHW61wbBJ FQQ3evi0tOPtLu9GIxILQCLZqFgfCJK/1mZgI66Zzj+kMRBrZ9LQinZ4QefNQdB5NUNSsi1GcRA JRT6POOhzOa6g8KrZRMZUCEHkRt Archived-At: Cc: opsawg@ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:23:56 -0000 Oh, how I hate HTML emails! Hi Carlos, >>> I am somewhat nervous about the overlap between this and OAM work=20 >>> undertaken in a number of working groups chiefly in the Routing = Area, >>> and I hope there can be some careful coordination.=20 >>=20 >> I also asked the authors about this question. Especially there is an = overlay >> OAM design team in routing area. Their drafts and outputs show they = also >> want to standardize a common OAM header for various transport.=20 >=20 > It is indeed a fair question and I appreciate seeing it explicitly. = The common > OAM header for OAM probes on disparate transports seems orthogonal to > the in-situ OAM (iOAM) requirement and approach.=20 So, I'm just wondering out loud... If there is a common generic format for some OAM data being developed, = would it be sensible to use any of the pieces that can be used? Perhaps = there are none - should be easy to establish. I suspect that what you are doing is distinct from any of the MPLS OAM = developed over the last 5 years, but it may be worth consulting with = them as to why they considered it necessary to use separate packets and = not "overload" (apologies for the implicit negativity in that term) data = packets. > The in-situ OAM work also has code at https://fd.io/. Good. Code is nice. >>> My feeling is that we should start with the requirements draft at = once. [snip] >>> I think that the data format document may be close to being ready = for adoption [snip] >>> As for the proof of transit work, I think it is a bit of a mess at = the >>> moment. It seems to be growing new approaches and options,=20 >>> each with drawbacks and issues. And I'm not clear on the objectives. >>> This might be handled as with the previous document by describing >>> and scoping the experiment, but as currently written, it would = appear >>> that the intention is to research a number of potential approaches = to >>> proof of transit rather than to experiment with a particular = protocol >>> solution, and that might make the document better suited to the >>> NMRG. So I would like to apply a bit more caution to that document. >> >> In my opinion, the objective of the POT draft is to demonstrate a = solution >> for an applicable use case with in-situ OAM. > > That is correct.=20 Weeeeeell, doesn't the current document describe a mechanism, an = enhanced mechanism, a final version, and an alternative approach? That would be very good if the intention is to kick some ideas around = the park and see what stands up, what features work, and what additions = we need. What we would need to do in that case is decide what our = objectives are (trusted or non-trusted players, proof of order or just = proof of transit, proof of adjacency / non-insertion, etc., etc.) so = that we can work on the solution for our needs. The feeling I get from the document is that it is (and has been for a = few revisions) pushing ideas around to see what might be good and what = needs more work. That is actually great, but (again) our assessment of = what is "good" depends on what objectives we're trying to meet. I = suppose my nervousness may be that if we adopt this document as is, then = weeding out features or approaches may be hard because their inclusion = at the time of adoption could be claimed as consensus in the WG that = they are things we should be doing. I would like us just to pause a = moment and agree the objectives. Then we'd be good to go. Cheers, Adrian From nobody Sun Dec 25 22:57:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A95129573 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:57:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.31 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.31 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HksLWz3McJr5 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>The question is: >>Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? Yes. I have read these drafts and I support adoption of all three drafts as WG documents. >>It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the drafts. If "yes", would >>you like to review the drafts and help to improve the drafts? If "no", it is important that >>you provide reasons. Yes. Thanks Santosh P K --001a114acbc457524c054493ddc9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>>The question is:

>>Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these dra= fts?

=C2=A0Yes. I have read these drafts and I support adoption of all three d= rafts as WG documents.=C2=A0

>>It would be helpful if you could indicate= whether you have read the drafts. If "yes", would >>you li= ke to review the drafts and help to improve the drafts? If "no", = it is important that >>you provide reasons.


Yes.


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--001a114acbc457524c054493ddc9-- From nobody Mon Dec 26 20:37:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA9812999C; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 20:37:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nNl7y9zQWdX7; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 20:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x232.google.com (mail-wm0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07FE112999A; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 20:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm0-x232.google.com with SMTP id c85so68987683wmi.1; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 20:37:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QvpTbCyLXfk6Jh+OJ8pocsam8naT/DaZxkEsAsyY4Bk=; b=c0C044AMk8ePGccl987SBaBJfg2K9zXVBXgoixjMaAi9/VT8n6PlblpMmqsO/8jm2u xZfYiNEvou/cr2kU6uNoVqx6q8EoEcCXY+Jbqah+wo4DYveK4hYWjU0zUS5i5MC6x6Nb qVKRhnCBCIkiTWJyqca/QF9EGTyVpaWc4FOfN5aNEhMlT4409s0vuvnGV84YN3uxPIbI SpJsOyMZeA9SbulDHFYNoXQc0E0wecAqWKMJg5vst9EcTlQYjl3NFU2QYtXCxdTztWU4 DVNZ6GDdaEEXCTs/r9ji9+HZ2vXvo7WUfBPyuoCqyAh62GXCdig2fomAyjOEpAx9gnim sZNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QvpTbCyLXfk6Jh+OJ8pocsam8naT/DaZxkEsAsyY4Bk=; b=BUEpZP9pghJkw6vIOiRxYm27SyQdbonRGtYJw7Hg3dEo/o7DEdQxWEwNuz6bI2RKZ0 bvdFomkrTF57t1S0k1yKw9UQ21qDqRsPPE6Bq+PuUHbFyDZ6Tjqnnd2+E4Z7iAn6MPKz w4v9pkz/7hCsrjpHqDX93/rc23iRSRaXZAcg5YYLyZ05L+c3xa1ZsypFgUZbs5qecOVB udvtqWCPrGLfj+YQFFC+UfCbq3F7myfmRDcOBrHZMyAoFbI98Bge0sKtQXn1VOhaKmc1 JE0hrbxhX+RL1vUOb+K9mtxxWxdi8RHNovecVzz/V0qYYOcHY0fRN7ZIgY25X/XCdOf8 yqCQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIG/whm96XsV0/1NqRLnVqVkjrh3Ut9O4xWwHLQl4i8/L8rlaYLpBHsx1fqBuGedzAUQ0/n6XVgapWY1g== X-Received: by 10.28.87.21 with SMTP id l21mr9947995wmb.48.1482813460452; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 20:37:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.179.29 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 20:37:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Nobo Akiya Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 13:37:39 +0900 Message-ID: To: Zhoutianran Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11444f22941cac05449c69b3 Archived-At: Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" , "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 04:37:44 -0000 --001a11444f22941cac05449c69b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Tianran & Warren, I agree with the intents/benefits that proposal can offer. I do worry about added bytes required to every In Situ packet (i.e., MTU). (1) Is the proposal being too flexible? For example, data like opaque application data can be powerful, but it can easily eat up lots of MTU. OAM-trace-type can complicate implementations as included data (and their offset) can vary for each bit combinations. (2) Are all data fields defined as right size? Considering that node ID is defined as 24 bits and interface ID is defined as 16 bits, I'm assuming that they are IDs defined by a centralized controller/orchestrator. If so, do they really need all to be that large? One thought is to start off with couple of "tight" data types (not flexible & least bits required) which addresses majority and/or high priority use cases. With this approach, it will also simplify the "error handlings" which the documents are lacking (and needs some attention if documents are adopted by the WG). > Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? RE: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt Yes, I'd like to see this work moving forward. RE: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt Yes, I'd like to see this work moving forward. RE: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt No, I'm not quite sure why this document is needed. > It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the drafts. If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help to improve the drafts? Yes, I have read the documents. For the first two documents, I do plan to further review. Regards, Nobo On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Zhoutianran wrote: > Hi All, > > > > In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive > response on related drafts. > So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt > > > > To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you > can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D. > > > > The question is: > Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? > > > > It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the > drafts. If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help to improve > the drafts? If "no", it is important that you provide reasons. > > > > This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tuesday, December 20. > > > Thanks, > Tianran & Warren > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > > --001a11444f22941cac05449c69b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Tianran & Warren,


I agree with the intents/ben= efits that proposal can offer.


I do worry about added bytes= required to every In Situ packet (i.e., MTU).


(1) Is the proposal being to= o flexible? For example, data like opaque application data can be powerful,= but it can easily eat up lots of MTU. OAM-trace-type can complicate implem= entations as included data (and their offset) can vary for each bit combina= tions.


(2) Are all data fields defi= ned as right size? Considering that node ID is defined as 24 bits and inter= face ID is defined as 16 bits, I'm assuming that they are IDs defined b= y a centralized controller/orchestrator. If so, do they really need all to = be that large?


One thought is to start off = with couple of "tight" data types (not flexible & least bits = required) which addresses majority and/or high priority use cases. With thi= s approach, it will also simplify the "error handlings" which the= documents are lacking (and needs some attention if documents are adopted b= y the WG).


> Do you think that the W= G should adopt all or some of these drafts?


RE: https://tool= s.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt


Yes, I'd like to see thi= s work moving forward.


RE: https://tools.ietf.o= rg/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt


Yes, I'd like to see thi= s work moving forward.


RE: https://tools.ietf.= org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt


No, I'm not quite sure w= hy this document is needed.


> It would be helpful if = you could indicate whether you have read the drafts. If "yes", wo= uld you like to review the drafts and help to improve the drafts?


Yes, I have read the documen= ts. For the first two documents, I do plan to further review.


Regards,

Nobo


On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3= :36 PM, Zhoutianran <zhoutianran@huawei.com> wrote:
=

Hi All,

=C2=A0

In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive re= sponse on related drafts.
So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds.

=C2=A0

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bro= ckners-inband-oam-requirements-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inba= nd-oam-data-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-pro= of-of-transit-02.txt

=C2=A0

To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you = can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D.

=C2=A0

The question is:
Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts?

=C2=A0

It would be helpful if you could indicate whether you have read the draf= ts. If "yes", would you like to review the drafts and help to imp= rove the drafts? If "no", it is important that you provide reason= s.

=C2=A0

This poll will last for two weeks, ending on Tuesday, December 20.

=C2=A0
Thanks,
Tianran & Warren


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Using the battery charge level as example, > one could avoid sending extra OAM packets just to communicate > battery health, and as such would save battery on sensors. Are you placing above use case in this document because you the protocol is capable of doing this, or do you consider it to be a hard requirement for in-band OAM? Comments on draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02: > queue depth: 4-octet unsigned integer field. This field indicates > the length of the egress interface queue of the interface where > the packet is forwarded out of. Many interfaces can have multiple queues (e.g., multiple unicast queues and multiple multicast queues). Won't be need an queue ID to indicate which "queue" above is refering to? > node_id: 3-octet unsigned integer. Node identifier field to > uniquely identify a node within in-situ OAM domain. The > procedure to allocate, manage and map the node_ids is beyond > the scope of this document. ... > node_id: 7-octet unsigned integer. Node identifier field to > uniquely identify a node within in-situ OAM domain. The > procedure to allocate, manage and map the node_ids is beyond > the scope of this document. Why is node_id defined as different size? Same with if_id (4 bytes vs. 8 bytes). > Maximum Length: 8-bit unsigned integer. This field specifies the > maximum length of the node data list in octets. Given that the > sender knows the minimum path MTU, the sender can set the maximum > of node data bytes allowed before exceeding the MTU. Thus, a > simple comparison between "Opt data Len" and "Max Length" allows > to decide whether or not data could be added. How does the sender know this? PMTUD is a discovery of MTU on a path (i.e., point-to-point) and not the entire network domain. Meaning PMTUD is not completely accurate, as a path a packet can take can change at anytime. Does a centralized controller/orchestrator educate every sender? > OAM-trace-type: 16-bit identifier of a particular trace element > variant. Offset will depend on which bits are set. Typically it is much easier to implement if one option type having fixed data at fixed locations. I'm sure "smart programmable chip" can handle this, but I feel that we are trying to be too flexible here. Thoughts? General comments: - When a packet traverses a LAG, it would be good to clarify the expected if_id to be used. - When a packet traverses a virtualized environment, it would be good to clarify the expected behavior of each physical/virtual node.- I feel that much of "error" cases are lacking in the document. It would be good to clarify how each node need to behave when there are errors. For example, if a node receives an In Situ OAM packet with "overflow" bit already set but can still add more data, do you expect this node to also skip or do you expect this node add the data and clear the "overflow" bit? Regards, Nobo --001a11c3b35881480c05449c8534 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Authors,


I'm happy to see interes= ting work in the OAM area :)


Co= mments on draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02:


>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 Lo= w-power Networks: Include application level OAM information

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (e.= g., battery charge level, cache or buffer fill level) into data

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 tra= ffic to avoid sending extra OAM traffic which incur an extra

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cos= t on the devices.=C2=A0 Using the battery charge level as example,

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 one= could avoid sending extra OAM packets just to communicate

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 bat= tery health, and as such would save battery on sensors.


Are you placing above use ca= se in this document because you the protocol is capable of doing this, or d= o you consider it to be a hard requirement for in-band OAM?


Comments on draft-brockners-= inband-oam-data-02:


> queue depth:=C2=A0 4-oc= tet unsigned integer field.=C2=A0 This field indicates

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the= length of the egress interface queue of the interface where

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the= packet is forwarded out of.


Many interfaces can have mul= tiple queues (e.g., multiple unicast queues and multiple multicast queues).= Won't be need an queue ID to indicate which "queue" above is= refering to?


>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 nod= e_id:=C2=A0 3-octet unsigned integer.=C2=A0 Node identifier field to=

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 uniquely identify a node within in-situ OAM domain.=C2=A0 The=

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 procedure to allocate, manage and map the node_ids is beyond<= /p>

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 the scope of this document.

...

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no= de_id:=C2=A0 7-octet unsigned integer.=C2=A0 Node identifier field to

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 uniquely identify a node within in-situ OAM domain.=C2=A0 The=

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 procedure to allocate, manage and map the node_ids is beyond<= /p>

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 the scope of this document.


Why is node_id defined as di= fferent size?

Same with if_id (4 bytes vs.= 8 bytes).


>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Maximum Le= ngth:=C2=A0 8-bit unsigned integer.=C2=A0 This field specifies the

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 max= imum length of the node data list in octets.=C2=A0 Given that the

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 sen= der knows the minimum path MTU, the sender can set the maximum

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 of = node data bytes allowed before exceeding the MTU.=C2=A0 Thus, a

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 sim= ple comparison between "Opt data Len" and "Max Length" = allows

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to = decide whether or not data could be added.


How does the sender know thi= s? PMTUD is a discovery of MTU on a path (i.e., point-to-point) and not the= entire network domain. Meaning PMTUD is not completely accurate, as a path= a packet can take can change at anytime. Does a centralized controller/orc= hestrator educate every sender?


>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 OAM-trace-= type:=C2=A0 16-bit identifier of a particular trace element

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 var= iant.


Offset will depend on which = bits are set. Typically it is much easier to implement if one option type h= aving fixed data at fixed locations. I'm sure "smart programmable = chip" can handle this, but I feel that we are trying to be too flexibl= e here. Thoughts?


General comments:


- When a packet traverses a = LAG, it would be good to clarify the expected if_id to be used.

- When a packet traverses a = virtualized environment, it would be good to clarify the expected behavior = of each physical/virtual node.- I feel that much of "error" cases= are lacking in the document. It would be good to clarify how each node nee= d to behave when there are errors. For example, if a node receives an In Si= tu OAM packet with "overflow" bit already set but can still add m= ore data, do you expect this node to also skip or do you expect this node a= dd the data and clear the "overflow" bit?


Regards,

Nobo

--001a11c3b35881480c05449c8534-- From nobody Wed Dec 28 04:19:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804BA1297EC for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 04:18:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JHnTvCmYjzr4 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 04:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsender.cdac.in (mailsender.cdac.in [196.1.113.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36B07129445 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 04:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ims.pune.cdac.in (ims.pune.cdac.in [10.208.1.15]) by mailsender.cdac.in (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id uBSCIeea022387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:48:40 +0530 Received: from mailgw.pune.cdac.in ([10.208.1.4]) by ims.pune.cdac.in (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uBSCHTQX014013 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:47:29 +0530 X-AuthUser: lijo Received: from CIGLIJO (cig_lijo.tvm.cdac.in [10.176.11.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailgw.pune.cdac.in (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uBSCHQ1x029815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:47:28 +0530 From: "Lijo Thomas" To: References: <96c75d75-6f97-fe68-071d-5567049de9e7@ece.iisc.ernet.in> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:48:26 +0530 Message-ID: <003501d26104$7f03e1d0$7d0ba570$@cdac.in> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01D26132.98BC1DD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQHg4vnWR5v432oN2FWlwXhKRdV4dgGGg8N1oPQKlQA= Content-Language: en-in X-CDAC-PUNE-MailScanner-ID: uBSCHTQX014013 X-CDAC-PUNE-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-CDAC-PUNE-MailScanner-MCPCheck-IMS: MCP-Clean, MCP-Checker (score=0, required 1) X-CDAC-PUNE-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.295, required 6, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_50 0.80, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, RP_MATCHES_RCVD -3.10), not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.984, required 6, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_40 -0.18, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-CDAC-PUNE-MailScanner-Information: Please contact npsfhelp@cdac.in/mailadmin@cdac.in for more information X-MailScanner-ID: uBSCIeea022387 X-CDAC-PUNE-MailScanner-From: lijo@cdac.in X-CDAC-MailScanner-Spam-Status: No Archived-At: Subject: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:18:59 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01D26132.98BC1DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I support the adoption of all the drafts. =20 This would be useful in our work also, where we are trying to build algorit= hms for LLNs based on the delay incurred during the transit of a packet fro= m the sender to receiver.=20 =20 Thanks & Regards, Lijo Thomas=20 =20 =20 On 12/7/16 01:36, Zhoutianran wrote: Hi All, =20 =20 =20 In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive response on related drafts. 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I support the adoption of all the draf=
ts.
 
This would be use=
ful in our work also, where we are trying to build algorithms for LLNs base=
d on the delay incurred during the transit of a packet from the sender to r=
eceiver. 
 
Thanks & Regards,
Lijo Thomas 
 

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I = have summarized some of the key areas and also added comments, please = see below. 1) = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.tx= t=20 * Complementary role of new draft: * Minimizing of In-band Telemetry Header for a specific use case such as = latency measurement * Data export options=20 * Summarizing monitoring information to build a scalable solution = =E2=80=93 for example, alert the central management system only when = 99th percentile queue depth exceeds a high threshold for a flow * Flow mirroring * Service chaining use case (independent and coupled with = underlay/overlay) =E2=80=93 describes how network monitoring can help in = identifying server side issues and pave the way to dynamic resource = orchestration to remedy the issue=20 =20 2) = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt * Complementary role of new draft:=20 * Minimizing of In-band Telemetry Header format=20 * Data export options format =20 - Comments on above draft:=20 o I am surprised to see = http://p4.org/wp-content/uploads/fixed/INT/INT-current-spec.pdf not = being referenced. =20 3) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lapukhov-dataplane-probe-01 =20 - Comments on above draft:=20 o The above id focusses on injected probe packets. The new draft is = applicable to all packets including injected probe packets. =20 4) Mapping in-band telemetry to different transport protocols = =E2=80=93 new contribution (this could be a separate draft or might be = input to be above drafts) * Complementary role of new draft: =20 * IPSEC use case for WAN and DC (beyond internet connectivity) and = mapping =20 * VXLAN-GPE/Geneve/NSH mapping 5) = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt =20 - Comments on above draft:=20 o One of the key reasons for packets following a path different from a = traffic engineered/service chain path is misconfiguration. With that = background, * With an administrative domain, practical service verification = scheme(s) = (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nfvrg-service-verification/?= include_text=3D) could suffice * The elaborate proof of transit scheme suggested in this draft is = possibly applicable across administrative domains where it may not be = possible to mandate service verification. Additionally, when the path is = changed dynamically based on intermediate node state it is not clear how = this scheme will work. =20 Thanks, Ramki =20 From: Zhoutianran [mailto:zhoutianran@huawei.com = ]=20 Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 10:57 PM To: ram krishnan >; = opsawg@ietf.org =20 Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] FW: FW: WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts =20 Hi Ramki, =20 Thanks for bringing a new I-D to this WG. Could you please state the relationship or potential overlay with the In = Situ OAM serial I-Ds and also ( = = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lapukhov-dataplane-probe-01)? =20 Best, Tianran =20 From: OPSAWG [ = mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ram krishnan Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:09 PM To: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] FW: FW: WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts =20 I support adoption of these drafts.=20 =20 In addition, I would like bring a closely related draft to your = attention -- = = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krishnan-opsawg-in-band-pro-sla/?i= nclude_text=3D1 =20 This draft brings some important contributions in the area of = requirements and data formats for - IPSEC tunneling=20 - Pre-construction/minimizing of Telemetry header - Service chaining =E2=80=93 benefits beyond the network = interconnect =20 I was hoping to get this draft out by Seoul timeframe and make it in = person, unfortunately couldn=E2=80=99t. Looking forward to discussions = and collaboration on this interesting topic. =20 Thanks, Ramki =20 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ram krishnan > Date: Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 1:59 PM Subject: FW: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts To: Ram Krishnan > =20 On 12/7/16 01:36, Zhoutianran wrote: Hi All, =20 =20 =20 In Seoul, we got enough interest on the In Situ OAM work and positive response on related drafts. So this email starts a formal poll for adoption the following I-Ds. =20 =20 =20 = =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-requirements-02.tx= t https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-data-02.txt https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-transit-02.txt =20 =20 =20 To be efficient, we have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But you can give your opinion on each of them. And the result is per I-D. =20 =20 =20 The question is: Do you think that the WG should adopt all or some of these drafts? =20 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner, and is = believed to be clean.=20 =20 --=20 Thanks,=20 Ramki ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01D26256.EA3D96A0 Content-Type: text/html; boundary="001a11c1510c8718fb0544d7885f"; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Tianran,

I can see = the new draft playing predominantly a complementary role. I have = summarized some of the key areas and also added comments, please see = below.

1)      = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-= requirements-02.txt

  • Complementary role of new = draft:
      • Summarizing monitoring information to = build a scalable solution =E2=80=93 for example, alert the central = management system only when 99th percentile queue depth = exceeds a high threshold for a flow
      • Flow = mirroring
    • Service chaining use case (independent and = coupled with underlay/overlay) =E2=80=93 describes how network = monitoring can help in identifying server side issues and pave the way = to dynamic resource orchestration to remedy the issue = 
 
2)      =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-=
data-02.txt
  • Complementary role of new draft: =
    • Minimizing of In-band Telemetry Header = format
    • Data export options = format

 

-   Comments =
on above draft: 
o   I am =
surprised to see http://p4.org/wp-content/uploads/fixed/INT/INT-current-=
spec.pdf not being referenced.
 
3)      =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lapukhov-dataplane-pr=
obe-01
 
-   Comments =
on above draft: 
o   The above =
id focusses on injected probe packets. The new draft is applicable to =
all packets including injected probe =
packets.
 
4)      =
Mapping =
in-band telemetry to different transport protocols =E2=80=93 new =
contribution (this could be a separate draft or might be input to be =
above drafts)
    • Complementary role of new draft: = =C2=A0
      • IPSEC use case for WAN and DC (beyond = internet connectivity) and mapping =C2=A0
      • VXLAN-GPE/Geneve/NSH = mapping
5)      =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-tr=
ansit-02.txt
 
-   Comments =
on above draft: 
o   One of =
the key reasons for packets following a path different from a traffic =
engineered/service chain path is misconfiguration. With that =
background,
=C2=A7  With an =
administrative domain, practical service verification scheme(s) (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nfvrg-servi=
ce-verification/?include_text=3D) could =
suffice
=C2=A7  The =
elaborate proof of transit scheme suggested in this draft is possibly =
applicable across administrative domains where it may not be possible to =
mandate service verification. Additionally, when the path is changed =
dynamically based on intermediate node state it is not clear how this =
scheme will work.
 

Thanks,=

Ramki

 

From: Zhoutianran = [mailto:zhoutianran@huawei.com]
Sent: Sunday, = December 25, 2016 10:57 PM
To: ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com>; opsawg@ietf.org
Subject: RE: = [OPSAWG] FW: FW: WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM = drafts

 <= /o:p>

Hi = Ramki,

 

Thanks for bringing a new I-D to this = WG.

Could = you please state the relationship or potential overlay with the In Situ = OAM serial I-Ds and also (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lapukhov-dataplane-probe-01)?

 

Best,

Tianran

 

From: = OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-= bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of ram krishnan
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 = 7:09 PM
To: opsawg@ietf.or= g
Subject= : [OPSAWG] FW: FW: WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM = drafts

 <= /o:p>

I support adoption of these = drafts.

 

In addition, I would like = bring a closely related draft to your attention -- https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krishnan-opsawg-in-band-pro-sla/?include_text=3D= 1

 

This draft brings some = important contributions in the area of requirements and data formats = for

-        = ;  IPSEC = tunneling

-        = ;  Pre-construction/minimizing = of Telemetry header

-        = ;  Service = chaining =E2=80=93 benefits beyond the network = interconnect

 

I was hoping to get this = draft out by Seoul timeframe and make it in person, unfortunately = couldn=E2=80=99t. Looking forward to discussions and collaboration on = this interesting topic.

 

Thanks,

<= p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ramki

 

---------- = Forwarded message ----------
From: ram krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 23, 2016 = at 1:59 PM
Subject: FW: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM = drafts
To: Ram Krishnan <ramkri123@gmail.com>

 =

 = On 12/7/16 01:36, Zhoutianran wrote:

Hi =
All,
 
 
 
In Seoul, we got enough interest on =
the In Situ OAM work and positive
response on =
related drafts.
So this email starts a formal poll =
for adoption the following =
I-Ds.
 
 <=
/pre>
 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-=
requirements-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-inband-oam-=
data-02.txt
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-proof-of-tr=
ansit-02.txt
 
 <=
o:p>
 
To be efficient, we =
have the poll for three I-Ds in one thread. But =
you
can give your opinion on each of them. And the =
result is per =
I-D.
 
 
 
The question =
is:
Do you think that the WG should adopt all or =
some of these =
drafts?
 
 


--
This message has been scanned for = viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, = and is
believed to be clean. =



 <= /o:p>

-- =

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------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01D26256.EA3D96A0-- From nobody Sat Dec 31 09:03:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFE112951F; Sat, 31 Dec 2016 09:03:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5a9WbyooqepM; Sat, 31 Dec 2016 09:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA16A12950A; Sat, 31 Dec 2016 09:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uBVH3Oac019147; Sat, 31 Dec 2016 17:03:24 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.251.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uBVH3Lmi019137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 31 Dec 2016 17:03:23 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <148320347595.25746.17570194467549489437.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <148320347595.25746.17570194467549489437.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 17:03:21 -0000 Message-ID: <019f01d26387$cbd563a0$63802ae0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKnxt8E6UxiYwgFu0414XOcZ5O4Zp93gLtw Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22796.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--14.924-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--14.924-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: r0+rmqCHJUWrmmW6xY+ZmAbts0Qkqy42pfVcx39Kq+5Gr8G3v23M3wK3 8IVwpUcJUqxtJRlug3y1Yu370vMdVg1ml0+t3dUH5gCHftmwEMK3dp6DuD+6wC62hjZS0WoYqcT nYwugTt6mWIXB+JlY+CFyczyoJ0Rq94K/U9yoT94Is18ZTh19+AeDbc64+XV0fH1SAoxPncwcFZ 6+dRt/MpGjZQANxJGhIjxuEg3WW4qMSh7r6qFYY6ngbqTYC4GHWLk7KHjvnCTI9EDAP/dptmabQ FrP/yHP3f0e/BgwI9BgfGWpDF+uBjPAnsAORqSfM0pZiLPQITqWWNQZZplrAmPK/53RnQ7FACol V0jADj2ekrOjtm4oRk+Cka/89um3MHsCEB6xhyOpRKRclM3X8wuK1hIitSIHg0MI3jJm6ECGOZx UAZ8FopjVnkPgy3RQkZOl7WKIImq0P2qkGU0XysC4UUZr4lSF+gD2vYtOFhgqtq5d3cxkNQy4Ib 58DKraGMwuMhsBsgY8/agRzs1bYfA1bNyDFOByH5Ta2NkDAUU= Archived-At: Cc: draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] FW: I-D Action: draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-04.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 17:03:28 -0000 Hi WG, We made some updates around section 6.4 having taken advice from a number of people including one of the ADs that suggested it is a good thing to mention and point to the MEF forum's LSO architecture, but it is not practical to try to match the IETF work with the MEF work because they are doing different things in a different way. Chairs! what shall we do with this draft? In Seoul it felt like there was enthusiasm for the existence of the draft, but you should make that call and decide what happens next. Thanks, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 31 December 2016 16:58 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-04.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : Service Models Explained > Authors : Qin Wu > Will Liu > Adrian Farrel > Filename : draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-04.txt > Pages : 19 > Date : 2016-12-31 > > Abstract: > The IETF has produced a considerable number of data models in the > YANG modelling language. The majority of these are used to model > devices and they allow access for configuration and to read > operational status. > > A small number of YANG models are used to model services (for > example, the Layer Three Virtual Private Network Service Model > produced by the L3SM working group). > > This document briefly sets out the scope of and purpose of an IETF > service model, and it shows where a service model might fit into a > Software Defined Networking architecture or deployment. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt