From nobody Thu Jun 1 05:58:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F42127977; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 05:58:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.624 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.624 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38hZ88QRYZph; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 05:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AF33129BCE; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3805; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1496321901; x=1497531501; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=H/YpkV5ToaLVgmzfLl18yeN3YVIMht2P4tp0uSKRf+M=; b=RGEPgizX/U54pN1S8ZCZG+sB9cr9lioNlhw1oi0Wi0SUFGDvbUM7pMDY ws9/Pkl2KShj/Dro8km0WeDkWj+PX+l0J2sLehT9WC2PBjxYhSkmFSV+W vsDP0wYrVl4XXnf/v/1VyX1+JdRRQcK5FzMXDBea/x4iyYMnAfBXp0Nup E=; X-Files: signature.asc : 481 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0D4AAD3DjBZ/xbLJq1dEwEBBQEBAQECA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQgBAQEBhDmBDYNzihlzkF8hlXqCDwclhXgCgzIYAQIBAQEBAQEBayiFGQE?= =?us-ascii?q?FIyYmChALGCoCAlcGAQwIAQGKJhCrMhGBIoImi1MBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEOD4hsC4JpgwCBT4MsgmAFiVKNK4cshA2CGXuMCoIGVYgwI4ZLlFcfOIE?= =?us-ascii?q?KMCEIGxWDB4J6gUw+NgGJbgEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.39,279,1493683200"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="652253023" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 01 Jun 2017 12:58:19 +0000 Received: from [10.61.212.77] ([10.61.212.77]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v51CwIr8013223; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 12:58:19 GMT To: Michael Richardson , Anima WG Cc: ibagdona@gmail.com, Zhoutianran , "opsawg@ietf.org" References: <031d87aa-1839-d7af-0723-dd9a2aa7ad0a@cisco.com> <26653.1495506219@obiwan.sandelman.ca> From: Eliot Lear Message-ID: <28cc40ec-f9ea-4528-b45c-82014959cdcb@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:58:18 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <26653.1495506219@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HVddFxNULu280p2nQea6qJ8peAXfxfEIN" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [Anima] dealing with multiple manufacturer services with a single certificate extension X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 12:58:24 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --HVddFxNULu280p2nQea6qJ8peAXfxfEIN Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="LxtlJLrtMur50t2k5g7DKEmijMVjFuaEG"; protected-headers="v1" From: Eliot Lear To: Michael Richardson , Anima WG Cc: ibagdona@gmail.com, Zhoutianran , "opsawg@ietf.org" Message-ID: <28cc40ec-f9ea-4528-b45c-82014959cdcb@cisco.com> Subject: Re: [Anima] dealing with multiple manufacturer services with a single certificate extension References: <031d87aa-1839-d7af-0723-dd9a2aa7ad0a@cisco.com> <26653.1495506219@obiwan.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <26653.1495506219@obiwan.sandelman.ca> --LxtlJLrtMur50t2k5g7DKEmijMVjFuaEG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Hi Michael, Below. On 5/23/17 4:23 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > I've read through the thread. It took more brain-power that I've had > available of recent. > > Let me ask some clarification questions about the original proposal. > > I generally agree with Max that the /.well-known/ part can be omitted. > > I also prefer passive (static file) initial interactions so that > the initial contact point can be most easily maintained over a period o= f > decades. I was surprised when some proprietary uses like this would po= int at > the www.example.com, rather than something more divorced from marketing= , > like a "bootstrap.example.com". > > So I rather like the mfg-services reply which is essentially a redirect= > which can be updated over the years. > > >> https://example.com/.well-known/mfg/modelname >> >> which would return something like: >> >> { >> "mfg-services" : [ >> "mud", "v1", "https://mud.example.com/Frobmaster3000.json", >> "anima", "v1", "https://masa.example.com/masa-service" >> ] >> } > correct? In this case, the modelname is there to distinguish phones > From printers from home-routers, which might well be very separate > divisions. That was the idea. Think a major consumer product manufacturer that has many different products. This doesn't require the manufacturer to create a domain per product. > >> At the moment, more manufacturers are coming back to me to say that we= >> should just leave these as separate and distinct mechanisms. I think t= hat's >> the simplest approach. > Distinct mechanisms, but common certificates? Or distinct certificates= ? That is- there is a single manufacturer certificate but distinct extensions that both contain URIs but might point to different places (indeed that would be the point). > > >> It seems to me the simplest way to handle this sort of thing is to cre= ate a >> table that MUD/ANIMA controllers simply download when they see the URL= =2E It >> might look something like this: > When you say ANIMA controller, I think you mean the JRC? > Yes. 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Mon, 5 Jun 2017 02:54:36 +0100 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 09:54:33 +0800 From: Tianran Zhou To: "opsawg@ietf.org" CC: "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-06 Thread-Index: AdLdnqvxxHWykNpkRwaeTXVzD7sXxA== Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 01:54:34 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.156.116] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020202.5934B9DD.00BF, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: f32b70fba3682fb217b6dda2bfef4c38 Archived-At: Subject: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-06 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 01:54:41 -0000 Dear OPSAWG, In Seoul, we got enough interest and positive response on this service mode= ls explained draft. By the authors' request, this email starts a formal poll. The chairs would = like to know if the WG participants agree that the following document shoul= d be adopted as a WG document in OPSAWG. Service Models Explained https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained/ The adoption poll will take two weeks. Please let us know your opinion by J= une 19. It would also be good to hear who is willing to review this documen= t. Since we already found that the majority of the f2f participants at our IET= F97 session like this idea, please do speak up now if you do not agree or h= ave serious objections (with explanation of course). 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This is an important document and foundation for servi= ce model specification (e.g. l3sm and l2sm). Thanks, Giuseppe -----Messaggio originale----- Da: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Tianran Zhou Inviato: luned=EC 5 giugno 2017 03:55 A: opsawg@ietf.org Cc: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org Oggetto: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explain= ed-06 Dear OPSAWG, In Seoul, we got enough interest and positive response on this service model= s explained draft. By the authors' request, this email starts a formal poll. The chairs would l= ike to know if the WG participants agree that the following document should= be adopted as a WG document in OPSAWG. Service Models Explained https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained/ The adoption poll will take two weeks. Please let us know your opinion by Ju= ne 19. It would also be good to hear who is willing to review this document. Since we already found that the majority of the f2f participants at our IETF= 97 session like this idea, please do speak up now if you do not agree or hav= e serious objections (with explanation of course). Regards, Tianran, OPSAWG Co-Chair _______________________________________________ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle pers= one indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dalla= conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abbia= te ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di darne= immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione, G= razie. This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileged i= nformation intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, print= ing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. 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From nobody Wed Jun 7 02:53:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BFF12EB4D; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 02:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XLdAKHSuV7wT; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 02:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-000f0801.pphosted.com (mx0b-000f0801.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:71::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41EED129B8D; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 02:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0000700.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-000f0801.pphosted.com (8.16.0.20/8.16.0.20) with SMTP id v579kI17027637; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 02:53:35 -0700 Received: from brmwp-exmb11.corp.brocade.com ([208.47.132.227]) by mx0b-000f0801.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 2ax9rt0u3m-2 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 07 Jun 2017 02:53:35 -0700 Received: from EMEAWP-EXMB12.corp.brocade.com (172.29.11.86) by BRMWP-EXMB11.corp.brocade.com (172.16.59.77) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 03:53:32 -0600 Received: from [172.27.212.154] (172.27.212.154) by EMEAWP-EXMB12.corp.brocade.com (172.29.11.86) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:53:24 +0200 To: li zhenqiang , opsawg , idr , "ipfix@ietf.org" References: From: PJ Aitken Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 10:53:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------15A4C26C3A4803534CADE22A" Content-Language: en-GB X-Originating-IP: [172.27.212.154] X-ClientProxiedBy: hq1wp-excas14.corp.brocade.com (10.70.38.103) To EMEAWP-EXMB12.corp.brocade.com (172.29.11.86) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2017-06-07_07:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1703280000 definitions=main-1706070162 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [IPFIX] [Idr] discussion about exporting BGP community information in IPFIX X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:53:43 -0000 --------------15A4C26C3A4803534CADE22A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What IPFIX message splitting method would you propose? Bear in mind that it must be backwards-compatible with existing collectors which do not expect message splitting. Rather than splitting messages, it might be acceptable simply to send longer messages. I think this would require a new version of IPFIX (eg, version 11) with the following modifications: * 32-bit Length in the Message Header (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure F) * 32 bit Field Length in the Field Specifier Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure G) * 32 bit Length in the Set Header Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure I) P. On 07/06/17 10:02, li zhenqiang wrote: > about question 1， the message length. > A WG > draft,https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ > , > extends the maximum update message sizeof BGP beyond 4096 bytes to 65535 bytes. So, > one IPFIX message may not be sufficient to fit all the communities > related to a specific flow. BGP speakers > that support the extended message feature > SHOULD takecare to handle the IPFIX message properly, such as only convey as many communities as possible in theIPFIX message. The collector that > receives an IPFIX message with maximum length and BGP communities > contained in its data set SHOULD be aware of the BGP communities may be truncated due to limited messagespace. In this case, it is RECOMMENDED to configure export policy on the exporter to limit the BGP communitiesto be exported, to export only some specific communities, for example, or not to export some communities. > > To solve this problem completely, we should update > IPFIX Protocol Specification RFC7011 to supportmessage splitting. > > Your comments are appreciated. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com --------------15A4C26C3A4803534CADE22A Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What IPFIX message splitting method would you propose? Bear in mind that it must be backwards-compatible with existing collectors which do not expect message splitting.

Rather than splitting messages, it might be acceptable simply to send longer messages. I think this would require a new version of IPFIX (eg, version 11) with the following modifications:

* 32-bit Length in the Message Header (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure F)
* 32 bit Field Length in the Field Specifier Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure G)
* 32 bit Length in the Set Header Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure I)

P.


On 07/06/17 10:02, li zhenqiang wrote:
about question 1， the message length. 
A WG draft, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/, extends the maximum update message size of BGP beyond 4096 bytes to 65535 bytes. So, one IPFIX message may not be sufficient to fit all the communities related to a specific flow. BGP speakers that support the extended message feature SHOULD take care to handle the IPFIX message properly, such as only convey as many communities as possible in the IPFIX message. The collector that receives an IPFIX message with maximum length and BGP communities contained in its data set SHOULD be aware of the BGP communities may be truncated due to limited message space. In this case, it is RECOMMENDED to configure export policy on the exporter to limit the BGP communities to be exported, to export only some specific communities, for example, or not to export some communities.

To solve this problem completely, we should update IPFIX Protocol Specification RFC7011 to support message splitting.

Your comments are appreciated.

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This draft makes it easier f= or us to understand different yang models and their relationship. I think it's useful and in time. So I support the adoption.


Thanks

Gu Rong
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: OPSAW= G <opsawg-bounces@ietf.org> =B4=FA=B1=ED Fioccola Giuseppe <giusep= pe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it>
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2017=C4=EA6=D4=C27=C8=D5 9:39
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Tianran Zhou; opsawg@ietf.org
=B3=AD=CB=CD: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [OPSAWG] R: WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-servi= ce-model-explained-06
 
Support the adoption. This is an important documen= t and foundation for service model specification (e.g. l3sm and l2sm).
Thanks,

Giuseppe

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounce= s@ietf.org] Per conto di Tianran Zhou
Inviato: luned=A8=AC 5 giugno 2017 03:55
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Cc: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org
Oggetto: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explai= ned-06

Dear OPSAWG,

In Seoul, we got enough interest and positive response on this service mode= ls explained draft.
By the authors' request, this email starts a formal poll. The chairs would = like to know if the WG participants agree that the following document shoul= d be adopted as a WG document in OPSAWG.

Service Models Explained
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-e= xplained/

The adoption poll will take two weeks. Please let us know your opinion by J= une 19. It would also be good to hear who is willing to review this documen= t.

Since we already found that the majority of the f2f participants at our IET= F97 session like this idea, please do speak up now if you do not agree or h= ave serious objections (with explanation of course).

Regards,
Tianran,  OPSAWG Co-Chair

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Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009E7A770@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-06 X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 11:40:11 -0000 Dear chairs, all, I support.=20 I reviewed an earlier version of the draft; most of my comments were kindly= addressed by Adrian. I still have some cosmetic comments on the latest ver= sion (already sent to Adrian), but those are easy to fix. =20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Tianran Zhou > Envoy=E9=A0: lundi 5 juin 2017 03:55 > =C0=A0: opsawg@ietf.org > Cc=A0: opsawg-chairs@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model- > explained-06 >=20 > Dear OPSAWG, >=20 > In Seoul, we got enough interest and positive response on this service > models explained draft. > By the authors' request, this email starts a formal poll. The chairs woul= d > like to know if the WG participants agree that the following document > should be adopted as a WG document in OPSAWG. >=20 > Service Models Explained > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained/ >=20 > The adoption poll will take two weeks. Please let us know your opinion by > June 19. It would also be good to hear who is willing to review this > document. >=20 > Since we already found that the majority of the f2f participants at our > IETF97 session like this idea, please do speak up now if you do not agree > or have serious objections (with explanation of course). >=20 > Regards, > Tianran, OPSAWG Co-Chair >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From nobody Wed Jun 7 09:51:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B734F12869B for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 09:51:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, 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Very useful in the yang model work in the ACTN context in TEAS WG. Regards, Dhruv On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Tianran Zhou wrote: > Dear OPSAWG, > > In Seoul, we got enough interest and positive response on this service > models explained draft. > By the authors' request, this email starts a formal poll. The chairs would > like to know if the WG participants agree that the following document > should be adopted as a WG document in OPSAWG. > > Service Models Explained > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained/ > > The adoption poll will take two weeks. Please let us know your opinion by > June 19. 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Very useful in the yang model work in the ACTN context in TEA= S WG.=C2=A0

Regards,
Dhruv

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Tianran Zhou <= zhoutianran@hua= wei.com> wrote:
Dear OPSAWG= ,

In Seoul, we got enough interest and positive response on this service mode= ls explained draft.
By the authors' request, this email starts a formal poll. The chairs wo= uld like to know if the WG participants agree that the following document s= hould be adopted as a WG document in OPSAWG.

Service Models Explained
https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained/

The adoption poll will take two weeks. Please let us know your opinion by J= une 19. It would also be good to hear who is willing to review this documen= t.

Since we already found that the majority of the f2f participants at our IET= F97 session like this idea, please do speak up now if you do not agree or h= ave serious objections (with explanation of course).

Regards,
Tianran,=C2=A0 OPSAWG Co-Chair

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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i3sm5470986wmb.13.2017.06.08.03.45.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Jun 2017 03:45:14 -0700 (PDT) To: li zhenqiang , PJ Aitken , opsawg , idr , "ipfix@ietf.org" References: From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <97e66319-19bf-58f7-8fdc-7a0b62c5caa3@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 11:45:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C38F4FF222438D3E9955F8A0" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] [IPFIX] [Idr] discussion about exporting BGP community information in IPFIX X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 10:45:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C38F4FF222438D3E9955F8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you stick with UDP, and there are good reasons to do that, maybe we need a fragmentation shim for UDP? Stewart On 08/06/2017 04:21, li zhenqiang wrote: > Hello Mr. Aitken, > > Thank you very much for your suggestion. > I have no perfect idea now. Extending the length of IPFIX message is a > simple method. But do we need to take the transport protocol into > account? Although SCTP is mandatory, some IPFIX implementations use > TCP or UDP as their transport protocol. SCTP provides message > fragmentation and reassembly method, neithor TCP nor UDP. TCP and UDP > rely on IP to finish this work. IP fragmented packets may be droped by > some nodes in the network due to security rules or to improve the > tansport preformance. For the implementations using TCP or UDP as > their transport protocol, sometimes they may not receive some > fragmented IPFIX messgaes when we extend the message length to 32 > bits. I think BGP protocol with extended message length as defined in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ > also > has the same issue. I will send a seperate mail in IDR to ask for > their opinions. > > Best Regards, > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > *From:* PJ Aitken > *Date:* 2017-06-07 17:53 > *To:* li zhenqiang ; opsawg > ; idr ; > ipfix@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [IPFIX] [Idr] discussion about exporting BGP > community information in IPFIX > What IPFIX message splitting method would you propose? Bear in > mind that it must be backwards-compatible with existing collectors > which do not expect message splitting. > > Rather than splitting messages, it might be acceptable simply to > send longer messages. I think this would require a new version of > IPFIX (eg, version 11) with the following modifications: > > * 32-bit Length in the Message Header (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure F) > * 32 bit Field Length in the Field Specifier Format (cf. RFC 7011 > / Figure G) > * 32 bit Length in the Set Header Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure I) > > P. > > > On 07/06/17 10:02, li zhenqiang wrote: >> about question 1， the message length. >> A WG >> draft,https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ >> , >> extends the maximum update message sizeof BGP beyond 4096 bytes to 65535 bytes. So, >> one IPFIX message may not be sufficient to fit all the >> communities related to a specific flow. BGP speakers >> that support the extended message feature >> SHOULD takecare to handle the IPFIX message properly, such as only convey as many communities as possible in theIPFIX message. The collector that >> receives an IPFIX message with maximum length and BGP communities >> contained in its data set SHOULD be aware of the BGP communities may be truncated due to limited messagespace. In this case, it is RECOMMENDED to configure export policy on the exporter to limit the BGP communitiesto be exported, to export only some specific communities, for example, or not to export some communities. >> >> To solve this problem completely, we should update >> IPFIX Protocol Specification RFC7011 to supportmessage splitting. >> >> Your comments are appreciated. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > IPFIX mailing list > IPFIX@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipfix --------------C38F4FF222438D3E9955F8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

If you stick with UDP, and there are good reasons to do that, maybe we need a fragmentation shim for UDP?

Stewart


On 08/06/2017 04:21, li zhenqiang wrote:
Hello  Mr. Aitken,

Thank you very much for your suggestion.
I have no perfect idea now. Extending the length of IPFIX message is a simple method. But do we need to take the transport protocol into account? Although SCTP is mandatory, some IPFIX implementations use TCP or UDP as their transport protocol. SCTP provides message fragmentation and reassembly method, neithor TCP nor UDP. TCP and UDP rely on IP to finish this work. IP fragmented packets may be droped by some nodes in the network due to security rules or to improve the tansport preformance. For the implementations using TCP or UDP as their transport protocol, sometimes they may not receive some fragmented IPFIX messgaes when we extend the message length to 32 bits. I think BGP protocol with extended message length as defined in  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ also has the same issue. I will send a seperate mail in IDR to ask for their opinions.

Best Regards,

 
From: PJ Aitken
Date: 2017-06-07 17:53
Subject: Re: [IPFIX] [Idr] discussion about exporting BGP community information in IPFIX
What IPFIX message splitting method would you propose? Bear in mind that it must be backwards-compatible with existing collectors which do not expect message splitting.

Rather than splitting messages, it might be acceptable simply to send longer messages. I think this would require a new version of IPFIX (eg, version 11) with the following modifications:

* 32-bit Length in the Message Header (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure F)
* 32 bit Field Length in the Field Specifier Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure G)
* 32 bit Length in the Set Header Format (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure I)

P.


On 07/06/17 10:02, li zhenqiang wrote:
about question 1， the message length. 
A WG draft, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/, extends the maximum update message size of BGP beyond 4096 bytes to 65535 bytes. So, one IPFIX message may not be sufficient to fit all the communities related to a specific flow. BGP speakers that support the extended message feature SHOULD take care to handle the IPFIX message properly, such as only convey as many communities as possible in the IPFIX message. The collector that receives an IPFIX message with maximum length and BGP communities contained in its data set SHOULD be aware of the BGP communities may be truncated due to limited message space. In this case, it is RECOMMENDED to configure export policy on the exporter to limit the BGP communities to be exported, to export only some specific communities, for example, or not to export some communities.

To solve this problem completely, we should update IPFIX Protocol Specification RFC7011 to support message splitting.

Your comments are appreciated.



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Thank yo= u, Mr. Bryant and Mr. Aitken.

SCTP is mandatory f= or IPFIX, TCP and UDP are optional. 
SCTP is ok for large I= PFIX message because SCTP provides message fragmentation and reassemb= ly method. 

Accord= ing to the discussion in the IDR mail list, TCP is also ok for large IPFIX= message. When TCP gets the large message from IPFIX, it cuts the message = into segments according to the MTU or MSS of the exporter. the ICMP me= ssages necessary for path MTU detection may be bl= ocked by some nodes in the path. So when fragmentation = happens occasionally in practice, the operator has to do = something to solve this, such as by configuring the MTU or MSS on the = ;exporter small enough to avoid IP fragmentation.
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If UDP is used by IPFIX as transport protocol, which means in t= his case the IPFIX is transaction oriented, = it doesn't care about delivery and duplicate protection. So, I think in this case we don't need to provide any = fragmentation and reassembly method for IPFIX. 

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Date: 2017-06-08 18:45
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Subj= ect: Re: [IPFIX] [Idr] discussion about exporting BGP community i= nformation in IPFIX
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If you stick with UDP, and there= are good reasons to do that,=0A maybe we need a fragmentation shim f= or UDP?
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=0A On 08/06/2017 04:21, li zhenqiang=0A wro= te:
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Hello  Mr. Aitken,
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Thank you very much for your sug= gestion.
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I have no perfect idea now. Extending the leng= th of IPFIX=0A message is a simple method. But do we need to take t= he transport=0A protocol into account? Although SCTP is mandatory, = some IPFIX=0A implementations use TCP or UDP as their transport pro= tocol. SCTP=0A provides message fragmentation and reassembly method= , neithor=0A TCP nor UDP. TCP and UDP rely on IP to finish this wor= k. IP=0A fragmented packets may be droped by some nodes in the netw= ork=0A due to security rules or to improve the tansport preformance= .=0A For the implementations using TCP or UDP as their transport=0A= protocol, sometimes they may not receive some fragmented IPFIX=0A = messgaes when we extend the message length to 32 bits. I think=0A = BGP protocol with extended message length as defined in  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ also=0A has the same= issue. I will send a seperate mail in IDR to ask=0A for their opin= ions.
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Date: 2017-06-07 17:53
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Subject: Re: [IPFIX] [Idr] di= scussion about=0A exporting BGP community information in IPFI= X
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=0A What IPFIX message=0A s= plitting method would you propose? Bear in mind that it=0A must= be backwards-compatible with existing collectors which=0A do n= ot expect message splitting.
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=0A Rather t= han splitting messages, it might be acceptable=0A simply to sen= d longer messages. I think this would require a=0A new version = of IPFIX (eg, version 11) with the following=0A modifications:<= br>=0A
=0A * 32-bit Length in the Message Header= (cf. RFC 7011 / Figure=0A F)
=0A * 32 bit Field = Length in the Field Specifier Format (cf. RFC=0A 7011 / Figure = G)
=0A * 32 bit Length in the Set Header Format (cf. RFC 701= 1 /=0A Figure I)
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On 07/06/17 10:02, li zhenqiang=0A wrote:
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about question 1=EF=BC=8C the message length.=  
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A WG draft,<= /span>=0A https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-mes= sages/, extends the = maximum update message size of BGP beyond 4096 bytes&nbs= p;to 65535 bytes. So,=0A one IPFIX message may not be= sufficient to fit all the=0A communities related to a sp= ecific flow. BGP speakers t= hat support the extended message=0A f= eature SHOULD take care to handle the&nb= sp;IPFIX message properly, such as only conv= ey as many communities as possible in t= he IPFIX message. The collector that=0Ar= eceives an IPFIX message with maximum length=  and BGP communities contained in its data set SHOULD be=  aware of the BGP communities may be&nb= sp;truncated due to limited message spac= e. In this case, it is RECOMMENDED to&n= bsp;configure export policy on the exporter = to limit the BGP communities to be&= nbsp;exported, to export only some specific = communities, for example, or not to export&n= bsp;some communities.
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To solve this problem compl= etely,=0A we should update IPFIX Protocol Speci= fication RFC7011=0A to support message splitting.
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The chairs would like to know if the WG participants agree that the following document should be adopted as a WG document in OPSAWG. > > Service Models Explained > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained/ > > The adoption poll will take two weeks. Please let us know your opinion by June 19. It would also be good to hear who is willing to review this document. > > Since we already found that the majority of the f2f participants at our IETF97 session like this idea, please do speak up now if you do not agree or have serious objections (with explanation of course). > > Regards, > Tianran, OPSAWG Co-Chair > Writing as an individual contributor, I have read this draft, and I support adoption. My main comment (which I made to Adrian in a chairs-only thread, and I will raise here publicly) is around the text in Section 6.1, which made me think there was intent to modify I-D.ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification based on ratification of draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-06. Specifically: Figure 1 of [I-D.ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification] can be modified to make this more clear and to add an additional example of a Network Service YANG model as shown in Figure 4. Adrian said that the netmod authors do not wish to modify the draft, and the SM draft should serve to further refine or extend the definitions therein. If others have the same thought, perhaps new text could be chosen to clarify. 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Dear all,

 

We have submitted a draft describing the use case an= d requirements for dynamic network probes. Please kindly provide any commen= ts and suggestions to help us improve the work. Thank you very much!

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-song-opsawg-dnp4i= q/

 

Abstract: This document discusses the motivation and= requirements for

   supporting interactive network queries = and data collection through a

   mechanism called Dynamic Network Probes= (DNP).  Network applications

   and OAM have various data requirements = from the data plane.  The

   unpredictable and interactive nature of= the query for network data

   analytics asks for dynamic and on-deman= d data collection

   capabilities.  As user programmabl= e and configurable data plane is

   becoming a reality, it can be extended = to support interactive query

   through DNPs.  DNP supports node, = path, and flow-based data

   preprocessing and collection.  For= example, in-situ OAM (iOAM) with

   user-defined flow-based data collection= can be programmed and

   configured through DNP.  DNPs serv= e as a building block of an

   integrated network data telemetry and a= nalytics platform which

   involves the network data plane as an a= ctive component for user-

   defined data collection and preparation= .

 

Haoyu

--_000_78A2745BE9B57D4F9D27F86655EB87F925957244SJCEML702CHMchi_-- From nobody Thu Jun 29 09:39:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietf.org Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B005129B77; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:39:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: opsawg@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149875439741.27864.9684565417792480679@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:39:57 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:39:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group of the IETF. Title : Service Models Explained Authors : Qin Wu Will Liu Adrian Farrel Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2017-06-29 Abstract: The IETF has produced a considerable number of data modules in the YANG modelling language. The majority of these modules are used to construct data models to model devices or monolithic functions and they allow access for configuration and to read operational status. A small number of YANG modules have been defined to model services (for example, the Layer Three Virtual Private Network Service Model produced by the L3SM working group and documented in RFC 8049). This document briefly sets out the scope of and purpose of an IETF service model, and it also shows where a service model might fit into a Software Defined Networking architecture. Note that service models do not make any assumption of how a service is actually engineered and delivered for a customer; details of how network protocols and devices are engineered to deliver a service are captured in other models that are not exposed through the Customer-Provider Interface. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jun 29 09:46:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DDD124E15 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:46:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NevEt5ezjMX3 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 700A0128CFF for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5TGkff2000775 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:46:41 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (230.150.51.84.dyn.plus.net [84.51.150.230] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5TGkeIb000766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:46:41 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <149875439741.27864.9684565417792480679@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <149875439741.27864.9684565417792480679@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:46:34 +0100 Message-ID: <149401d2f0f7$45593bf0$d00bb3d0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQH1JBWueMzss7PJepBiiTbw0OuPEaH3pedg Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-23166.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--16.651-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--16.651-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 0dFPYP4mu5Sbfb08kvBgZv2/xxdgfqR+EtdrY/Wb3fN6GeWCu+JlEMLm p4jPUF8tQIrDavfhGmyIVGE9emDg5MwrDggcQ6d1uIwLnB3Aqp1ReWnUUdhI9dnT/cqUnvn3IZn pVU5Vh5ZuVfSiwJ++ViMT95fuBZxrR8YDAnxinFjOUnHdMlbPm1BcSr/tgJjIQQ1XgvCe7sGhp+ nLTQqklyTd4m/lzSk9cFIHKEKlyv4xh3Qds6rrgrCvlllU7Dl1Xs5nqGvDCfPxSV7YBeBhSyacn bShnMCcPHVo+uVrRaTo5Evo1hVttn91kCM1cRsWM0pZiLPQITqWWNQZZplrAmPK/53RnQ7FcvfG eSXpj1UJTUzodWZcbz2H0NTsYyE4CLTFoW0rIapCvapcIkxJXzoSfZud5+Ggpcn28zKwP8KnavN TfNDmTe5f+SbQ7VhgHmGY/o4z88lNfs8n85Te8v7E6GNqs6ceseWplitmp0j6C0ePs7A07SAhra 4zm6Ty4eJu3SPDfDifd/P21Kf6EScYnn25Gr2PpfP5+nHsTFJ9v8DGBT5dNA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:46:47 -0000 Hi, I wouldn't normally flash an I-D this quickly, but Jerry Bonner spotted a rather important missing "not". Thanks Jerry! Cheers, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 29 June 2017 17:40 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group > of the IETF. > > Title : Service Models Explained > Authors : Qin Wu > Will Liu > Adrian Farrel > Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt > Pages : 21 > Date : 2017-06-29 > > Abstract: > The IETF has produced a considerable number of data modules in the > YANG modelling language. The majority of these modules are used to > construct data models to model devices or monolithic functions and > they allow access for configuration and to read operational status. > > A small number of YANG modules have been defined to model services > (for example, the Layer Three Virtual Private Network Service Model > produced by the L3SM working group and documented in RFC 8049). > > This document briefly sets out the scope of and purpose of an IETF > service model, and it also shows where a service model might fit into > a Software Defined Networking architecture. Note that service models > do not make any assumption of how a service is actually engineered > and delivered for a customer; details of how network protocols and > devices are engineered to deliver a service are captured in other > models that are not exposed through the Customer-Provider Interface. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > explained-01 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From nobody Fri Jun 30 00:15:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EEA1314CE for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:15:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eeio3zVuB0Ag for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta239.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB19F1314D1 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.9]) by opfedar21.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 3B4BF100584; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:15:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.27]) by opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 1CEB4C0079; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:15:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM7C.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::8007:17b:c3b4:d68b%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0352.000; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:15:23 +0200 From: To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "opsawg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHS8PZj3qPzn/5Yb0yMA8tEdcdybKI76xQAgAEUBnA= Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:15:22 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009FFD7AB@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <149875439741.27864.9684565417792480679@ietfa.amsl.com> <149401d2f0f7$45593bf0$d00bb3d0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <149401d2f0f7$45593bf0$d00bb3d0$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:15:28 -0000 Hi Adrian, all,=20 I reviewed this version.=20 I do think it is ready for a WGLC.=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Adrian Farre= l > Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 29 juin 2017 18:47 > =C0=A0: opsawg@ietf.org > Objet=A0: Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > explained-01.txt >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I wouldn't normally flash an I-D this quickly, but Jerry Bonner spotted a > rather > important missing "not". Thanks Jerry! >=20 > Cheers, > Adrian >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > > drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: 29 June 2017 17:40 > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > > Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained= - > 01.txt > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working > Group > > of the IETF. > > > > Title : Service Models Explained > > Authors : Qin Wu > > Will Liu > > Adrian Farrel > > Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt > > Pages : 21 > > Date : 2017-06-29 > > > > Abstract: > > The IETF has produced a considerable number of data modules in the > > YANG modelling language. The majority of these modules are used to > > construct data models to model devices or monolithic functions and > > they allow access for configuration and to read operational status. > > > > A small number of YANG modules have been defined to model services > > (for example, the Layer Three Virtual Private Network Service Model > > produced by the L3SM working group and documented in RFC 8049). > > > > This document briefly sets out the scope of and purpose of an IETF > > service model, and it also shows where a service model might fit int= o > > a Software Defined Networking architecture. Note that service model= s > > do not make any assumption of how a service is actually engineered > > and delivered for a customer; details of how network protocols and > > devices are engineered to deliver a service are captured in other > > models that are not exposed through the Customer-Provider Interface. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > explained/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-0= 1 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > > explained-01 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > explained-01 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OPSAWG mailing list > > OPSAWG@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From nobody Fri Jun 30 00:27:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3EB127201 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:27:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.222 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.222 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BxNzYaJPZsRH for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5803126E3A for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DQD00100; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:27:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 08:26:41 +0100 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 15:26:33 +0800 From: Tianran Zhou To: "mohamed.boucadair@orange.com" , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "opsawg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHS8PZpRbW7e9AgyUSBR3lR4/MvNKI7hn8AgADyvQCAAIhbcA== Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:26:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <149875439741.27864.9684565417792480679@ietfa.amsl.com> <149401d2f0f7$45593bf0$d00bb3d0$@olddog.co.uk> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009FFD7AB@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009FFD7AB@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.156.116] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020202.5955FD62.001A, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: b1e2df23d29bce3c023bfc40e59a6edc Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:27:35 -0000 Hi Med, > -----Original Message----- > From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:15 PM > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: > draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt >=20 > Hi Adrian, all, >=20 > I reviewed this version. >=20 > I do think it is ready for a WGLC. Really? It's surprisingly fast. :-) Though I know this draft evolved severa= l versions before WG adoption. Tianran >=20 > Cheers, > Med >=20 > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De=A0: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Adrian > > Farrel Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 29 juin 2017 18:47 =C0=A0: opsawg@ietf.org Ob= jet=A0: > > Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > > explained-01.txt > > > > Hi, > > > > I wouldn't normally flash an I-D this quickly, but Jerry Bonner > > spotted a rather important missing "not". Thanks Jerry! > > > > Cheers, > > Adrian > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > > > drafts@ietf.org > > > Sent: 29 June 2017 17:40 > > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > > > Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: > > > draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained- > > 01.txt > > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > > This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area > > > Working > > Group > > > of the IETF. > > > > > > Title : Service Models Explained > > > Authors : Qin Wu > > > Will Liu > > > Adrian Farrel > > > Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt > > > Pages : 21 > > > Date : 2017-06-29 > > > > > > Abstract: > > > The IETF has produced a considerable number of data modules in the > > > YANG modelling language. The majority of these modules are used t= o > > > construct data models to model devices or monolithic functions and > > > they allow access for configuration and to read operational status= . > > > > > > A small number of YANG modules have been defined to model services > > > (for example, the Layer Three Virtual Private Network Service Mode= l > > > produced by the L3SM working group and documented in RFC 8049). > > > > > > This document briefly sets out the scope of and purpose of an IETF > > > service model, and it also shows where a service model might fit i= nto > > > a Software Defined Networking architecture. Note that service mod= els > > > do not make any assumption of how a service is actually engineered > > > and delivered for a customer; details of how network protocols and > > > devices are engineered to deliver a service are captured in other > > > models that are not exposed through the Customer-Provider Interfac= e. > > > > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > > explained/ > > > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explaine > > > d-01 > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-mode > > > l- > > > explained-01 > > > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > > explained-01 > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > submission > > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OPSAWG mailing list > > > OPSAWG@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OPSAWG mailing list > > OPSAWG@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From nobody Fri Jun 30 00:43:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD2C126E3A for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:43:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zPeqNqFdLJm9 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta241.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02C2B128D3E for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar00.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.11]) by opfedar20.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 6FEC8120479; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:43:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.69]) by opfedar00.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 531ED180050; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:43:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::bc1c:ad2f:eda3:8c3d%18]) with mapi id 14.03.0352.000; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:43:15 +0200 From: To: Tianran Zhou , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "opsawg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHS8PZj3qPzn/5Yb0yMA8tEdcdybKI76xQAgAEUBnD//+HWAIAAJTXQ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:43:14 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009FFD7E1@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <149875439741.27864.9684565417792480679@ietfa.amsl.com> <149401d2f0f7$45593bf0$d00bb3d0$@olddog.co.uk> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009FFD7AB@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt X-BeenThere: opsawg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: OPSA Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:43:21 -0000 Re-, I confirm my review. The document is ready to move forward.=20 That's not fast for such a stable and very scoped document. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Tianran Zhou [mailto:zhoutianran@huawei.com] > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 30 juin 2017 09:27 > =C0=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed IMT/OLN; adrian@olddog.co.uk; opsawg@ietf.org > Objet=A0: RE: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > explained-01.txt >=20 > Hi Med, >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:15 PM > > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; opsawg@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: > > draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt > > > > Hi Adrian, all, > > > > I reviewed this version. > > > > I do think it is ready for a WGLC. >=20 > Really? It's surprisingly fast. :-) Though I know this draft evolved > several versions before WG adoption. >=20 > Tianran > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De=A0: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Adrian > > > Farrel Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 29 juin 2017 18:47 =C0=A0: opsawg@ietf.org = Objet=A0: > > > Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > > > explained-01.txt > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I wouldn't normally flash an I-D this quickly, but Jerry Bonner > > > spotted a rather important missing "not". Thanks Jerry! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Adrian > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet= - > > > > drafts@ietf.org > > > > Sent: 29 June 2017 17:40 > > > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org > > > > Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: > > > > draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained- > > > 01.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > > directories. > > > > This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area > > > > Working > > > Group > > > > of the IETF. > > > > > > > > Title : Service Models Explained > > > > Authors : Qin Wu > > > > Will Liu > > > > Adrian Farrel > > > > Filename : draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained- > 01.txt > > > > Pages : 21 > > > > Date : 2017-06-29 > > > > > > > > Abstract: > > > > The IETF has produced a considerable number of data modules in > the > > > > YANG modelling language. The majority of these modules are used > to > > > > construct data models to model devices or monolithic functions > and > > > > they allow access for configuration and to read operational > status. > > > > > > > > A small number of YANG modules have been defined to model > services > > > > (for example, the Layer Three Virtual Private Network Service > Model > > > > produced by the L3SM working group and documented in RFC 8049). > > > > > > > > This document briefly sets out the scope of and purpose of an > IETF > > > > service model, and it also shows where a service model might fit > into > > > > a Software Defined Networking architecture. Note that service > models > > > > do not make any assumption of how a service is actually > engineered > > > > and delivered for a customer; details of how network protocols > and > > > > devices are engineered to deliver a service are captured in othe= r > > > > models that are not exposed through the Customer-Provider > Interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > > > explained/ > > > > > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explaine > > > > d-01 > > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-service-mode > > > > l- > > > > explained-01 > > > > > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-opsawg-service-model= - > > > explained-01 > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > > submission > > > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org= . > > > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OPSAWG mailing list > > > > OPSAWG@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OPSAWG mailing list > > > OPSAWG@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OPSAWG mailing list > > OPSAWG@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg From nobody Fri Jun 30 07:39:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsawg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6327127868 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:39:27 -0700 (PDT) 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