From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 01 04:10:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq4OB-0005fN-Im; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:08:59 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq4OA-0005eE-Fs for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:08:58 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.171]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq4Lu-0002Vk-Uu for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:06:40 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 72so2061761ugd for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:06:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hBTLzW5ydvyXY8m5rRDt5hl5H3wmF/VcvgMlAD4+rHiRFneQHdYAl/Cnm2bBxba4DyJla6QPBjpZT5RoP+Y1WcIq8FwzlJGcgkWiFRZiPOUWccKfEPfAG7cT7Azwpps0227Ygw5IlYH22QeHoQtECEZ0Na0XJ9DIwfOeELwGT0A= Received: by 10.78.83.13 with SMTP id g13mr4600625hub.1164963997625; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.194.13 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 01:06:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:06:37 +0800 From: "Yue Wang" To: OSPF@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: Subject: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt -- regards, wang yue _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 01 07:34:08 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq7Zi-00086A-EU; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 07:33:06 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq7Zg-00085B-UM; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 07:33:04 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq7Zf-0006Ts-Jn; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 07:33:04 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Dec 2006 04:33:01 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kB1CX0d5006428; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:33:00 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kB1CX0YJ020969; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:33:00 -0500 Received: from [10.86.104.179] ([10.86.104.179]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:32:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200612010243.kB12hPqt062617@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> References: <200612010243.kB12hPqt062617@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <285A9D7C-8A64-46CE-89CF-0C26B98F995E@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: JP Vasseur Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [Fwd: [mpls] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt] Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:32:57 -0500 To: curtis@occnc.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2006 12:32:59.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[D61FDBC0:01C71544] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1975; t=1164976380; x=1165840380; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Re=3A=20[Fwd=3A=20[mpls]=20WG=20Last=20Call= 20on=20draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt]=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20curtis@occnc.com; bh=Aih36499HOqTosU68vGgaifJmeykdrE2zf+LpD6bJwA=; b=Dv50bfzdt5V0lMNb/IfV4mQLV5IURuJCiA9pc5nKDPteqInPVIw14kzknlpqktU0AvoXGYRr o44VcMHzVDoYMsf3mFDuvpmmVa4hgeJ1KlA1nrRsp2Dd4ZzHdTaiVceC; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c Cc: George Swallow , rtg-dir@ietf.org, isis-wg@ietf.org, ospf@ietf.org, David Ward , Loa Andersson X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:43 PM, Curtis Villamizar wrote: > > In message <133D69D4-43D7-46D0-88E5-80FD8CB25CCF@cisco.com> > JP Vasseur writes: >> >> Hi Curtis, >> >> On Nov 30, 2006, at 8:48 PM, Curtis Villamizar wrote: >> >>> >>> In message <4354A088-B93C-457F-93FD-55B8EB4A861A@cisco.com> >>> JP Vasseur writes: >>>> >>>> Other attributes such as affinity should be used to not allows 0-bw >>>> TE LSP to traverse a specific link. This TLV is only used to report >>>> the number of such TE LSPs traversing the link. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> JP. >>> >>> >>> The provider already has the necessary tools that can be used to >>> accomplish this. If a general purpose tool (attributes and >>> affinities) is available which accomplishes something a special >>> purpose tool to accomplish the same thing is not needed. >>> >>> Such a tool would only be useful if the administration of the MPLS >>> midpoint (where the attribute is set) had no control over the >>> administration of the MPLS ingress or a border that is doing route >>> computation (where the affinity is set). I don't see any >>> anticipated >>> real world deployment that would benefit from this. If you do, then >>> please explain the deployment scenario. >>> >> >> not sure to see your point here ... I was mentioning that the aim of >> this TLV was not to avoid some links. >> Looks like you're saying the same thing. >> >> JP. >> >>> Curtis > > > My point was regarding a mention in that conversation that the value > of zero might mean no zero-BW LSPs have been set up or none are > allowed. Looks like I cut the wrong paragraph out of the > conversation. > > The existing link attributes and affinity are sufficient to indicate > the condition that no zero-BW LSPs are allowed if the administration > of that network decides to use an attribute for that purpose. > > I'm agreeing with you. great, thanks. Cheers. JP. > > Curtis _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 01 08:38:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8ad-0000sX-IU; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:38:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8ac-0000ry-FE for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:38:06 -0500 Received: from [205.234.148.52] (helo=esc91.midphase.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq8aZ-0000gr-1a for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:38:06 -0500 Received: from [216.246.62.14] (helo=LC1.labn.net) by esc91.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Gq8bH-0001uN-Kc; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:38:47 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:37:56 -0500 To: Acee Lindem From: Lou Berger In-Reply-To: <456CAE87.1030209@cisco.com> References: <455907D0.5010706@cisco.com> <5bg6vi$2pimgv@sj-inbound-f.cisco.com> <45623C49.7070207@cisco.com> <5c02hq$ajidoq@sj-inbound-d.cisco.com> <456CAE87.1030209@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc91.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd3fc8e909678b38737fc606dec187f0 Cc: OSPF List Subject: [OSPF] Re: Comments on draft-berger-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: Hi Acee, See below. At 04:47 PM 11/28/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >Hi Lou, >Lou Berger wrote: >>Acee, >> See below. >> >>At 06:37 PM 11/20/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >> >>>Hi Lou, >>>See inline. >>> >>> >>>Lou Berger wrote: >>>>Acee, >>>> See responses in-line below. >>>> >>>>Should the corrected version go in as draft-berger or draft-ietf? >>>> >>>>Lou >>>> >>>>At 07:03 PM 11/13/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >>[...] >>>>>Section 3.1 - Type 9 LSA - "keep" rather than "keepk". >>>> >>>>yes. Also I added the following to the beginning of the section: >>>> Section 13 of [OSPF] describes the OSPF flooding procedure. >>>> Those procedures MUST be followed as defined except where >>>> modified in this section. >>>> >>>>>I believe we >>>>> should discard a link-local LSA received >>>>> from a neighbor not >>>>> on the interface (text similiar to type 11). >>>> >>>>okay, updated as follows: >>>> o If the Opaque LSA is type 9 (the flooding scope is link-local) >>>> and the interface that the LSA was received on is not the same >>>> as the target interface (e.g., the interface associated with a >>>> particular target neighbor), the Opaque LSA SHOULD be discarded >>>> and not acknowledged, and MUST NOT be flooded out that interface >>>> (or to that neighbor). An implementation SHOULD keep track of >>>> the IP interface associated with each Opaque LSA having a >>>> link-local flooding scope. >>>I guess I think that if you discard an LSA, it is implied that you won't >>>reflood it. >> >>it does say "and MUST NOT be flooded". I'm open to alternate wording. >In every other instance where an LSA is discarded in RFC 2328 we don't >explicitly state that we don't reflood them. In other words, why would >anybody get the misconcept we'd ever reflood anything that was discarded. ahh, I thought you *wanted* the explicit text. The primary reason for the seemingly redundant directives is that's how it was done in 2370 (see type 11). Also, for type 9 and 10, one is a SHOULD (ignore) and the other is a MUST NOT(flood). The ignore part is IMO implicit in OSPF/2370, but isn't explicit so I've put it as a SHOULD. I have no issue changing this a MUST. [...] >>>>>5.1 Inter-Area Considerations >>>>> >>>>>...... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Section 5.1 >>>>> >>>>> Type-9 opaque LSAs and type-10 opaque LSAs do not have this problem >>>>> as a receiving router can detect an a loss of reachability >>>>> through the intra-area >>>>> SPF calculation. >>>>> >>>>>Section 5.1 >>>>> >>>>> To enable OSPF routers in remote areas to check availability of the >>>>> originator of link-state type 11 opaque LSAs, the orignators of >>>>> type-11 opaque LSAs are considered Autonomous System Border >>>>> Routers (ASBRs) and will advertise themselves as such. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Section 5.1 - Remove "It is important to note that this solution >>>>>MUST NOT ..." >>>>>This is redundant. >>>> >>>>which part is redundant, just the sentence you are asking to be >>>>removed? I agree that it is redundant with 2328, but I thin >>>>mentioning it is still useful. Will rephrase to remove directive. >>>This part of the specification doesn't modify stub area behavior. >>>Here, we are talking about validating AS scoped opaque LSA. >>>I guess you could say, "Note that AS scoped opaque LSA >>>validation is not applicable to stub and NSSA areas since LSAs >>>with AS scope are not flooded into these areas types." However, >>>I don't see it as necessary. >> >>here's what I have now: "It is important to note that per >>[OSPF] this solution does not apply to OSPF stub areas or NSSAs as >>neither type-11 LSAs are flooded nor are type-4 LSAs originated into >>such areas." >> >>As you mentioned above, it is worth explicitly stating things sometimes. >Okay - I'll concede though I don't think it is necessary. Can we >call say "AS scoped opaque LSAs" rather than type-11s. sure. > Also, do >we have to add the detail about the ASBR-summary-LSAs (as they >are referred to RFC 2328). This is just an informative statement on an issue that was previously missed. I'd prefer to keep it. That said, if you really feel strongly about it, we can remove the whole thing as it's just informative. >>>>>Remove numbered items (1) and (2), these actions ARE NOT new to >>>>>opaque LSAs. Make (3) a separate paragraph rather than numbered >>>>>item. >>>> >>>>But inclusion of type-11 originate routers as ASBR is new. Will >>>>rephrase to make clear that existing ospf requirements apply. >>>> >>>>How about: >>>>The procedures related to inter-area opaque LSAs are as follows: >>>> >>>>(1) An OSPF router that is configured to originate AS-scope opaque >>>> LSAs advertise themselves as ASBRs and MUST follow the related >>>> requirements related to setting of the Options field E-bit in >>>> OSPF Hello packets and LSA headers as specified in [OSPF]. >>>> >>>>(2) When .... >>>I don't think these points need to be restated even if they reference >>>RFC 2328. Opaque LSAs don't modify these conditions. Hence, >>>I don't see them to be required any more than stating the version field >>>the OSPF packet header should be set to 2. >> >>huh? opaque LSAs aren't present in 2328 and the specification of >>E-bit setting/handling in 2328 is largely relative to AS-external-LSAs. >The E options bit must be set in hellos for any regular (not stub or >NSSA) area >independent of any opaque support. Opaque LSAs don't change this at all. yes, but the use of the E-bit due to Opaque LSAs is novel/unique to this document. [...] Much thanks, Lou _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 01 10:22:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GqACv-0004uP-2i; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:21:45 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GqACt-0004sa-69 for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:21:43 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GqACr-0002rj-Hb for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:21:43 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Dec 2006 07:21:40 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kB1FLeK5016651; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:21:40 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kB1FLeYJ011971; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:21:40 -0500 Received: from [10.82.224.37] ([10.82.224.37]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:21:39 -0500 Message-ID: <45704882.4010405@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:21:38 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lou Berger References: <455907D0.5010706@cisco.com> <5bg6vi$2pimgv@sj-inbound-f.cisco.com> <45623C49.7070207@cisco.com> <5c02hq$ajidoq@sj-inbound-d.cisco.com> <456CAE87.1030209@cisco.com> <5g70f5$8oceu@sj-inbound-b.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <5g70f5$8oceu@sj-inbound-b.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2006 15:21:39.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[6619F460:01C7155C] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=6488; t=1164986500; x=1165850500; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Comments=20on=20draft-berger-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt |Sender:=20 |To:=20Lou=20Berger=20; bh=lEt8CF2xidHOdNVhYn7P309m9cqPFARJizSl15Q9eew=; b=mNGYCT4ITWAamy0mylnGU6tFXoIjWWIwX9C2+E0YR+689pb2FwzwWJeNmMx2YRUM++Dc6Q7p 4sgylhEDvvvgGrJuue25UkpjrTjzovnjKZYkj8+FbD9kVWh6IkTY+eNb; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b7d60495f1a7f2e853e8cbae7e6dbfc Cc: OSPF List Subject: [OSPF] Re: Comments on draft-berger-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lou, Since no one offered objection - lets make this a WG document when refreshed. See below: Lou Berger wrote: > Hi Acee, > > See below. > > > At 04:47 PM 11/28/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: > >> Hi Lou, >> Lou Berger wrote: >>> Acee, >>> See below. >>> >>> At 06:37 PM 11/20/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lou, >>>> See inline. >>>> >>>> >>>> Lou Berger wrote: >>>>> Acee, >>>>> See responses in-line below. >>>>> >>>>> Should the corrected version go in as draft-berger or draft-ietf? >>>>> >>>>> Lou >>>>> >>>>> At 07:03 PM 11/13/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >>> [...] > > > > >>>>>> Section 3.1 - Type 9 LSA - "keep" rather than "keepk". >>>>> >>>>> yes. Also I added the following to the beginning of the section: >>>>> Section 13 of [OSPF] describes the OSPF flooding procedure. >>>>> Those procedures MUST be followed as defined except where >>>>> modified in this section. >>>>> >>>>>> I believe we >>>>>> should discard a link-local LSA received from >>>>>> a neighbor not >>>>>> on the interface (text similiar to type 11). >>>>> >>>>> okay, updated as follows: >>>>> o If the Opaque LSA is type 9 (the flooding scope is link-local) >>>>> and the interface that the LSA was received on is not the same >>>>> as the target interface (e.g., the interface associated with a >>>>> particular target neighbor), the Opaque LSA SHOULD be discarded >>>>> and not acknowledged, and MUST NOT be flooded out that interface >>>>> (or to that neighbor). An implementation SHOULD keep track of >>>>> the IP interface associated with each Opaque LSA having a >>>>> link-local flooding scope. >>>> I guess I think that if you discard an LSA, it is implied that you >>>> won't >>>> reflood it. >>> >>> it does say "and MUST NOT be flooded". I'm open to alternate wording. >> In every other instance where an LSA is discarded in RFC 2328 we don't >> explicitly state that we don't reflood them. In other words, why would >> anybody get the misconcept we'd ever reflood anything that was >> discarded. > > ahh, I thought you *wanted* the explicit text. The primary reason for > the seemingly redundant directives is that's how it was done in 2370 > (see type 11). Also, for type 9 and 10, one is a SHOULD (ignore) and > the other is a MUST NOT(flood). The ignore part is IMO implicit in > OSPF/2370, but isn't explicit so I've put it as a SHOULD. I have no > issue changing this a MUST. I think saying the LSAs are discarded is enough. > > [...] > >>>>>> 5.1 Inter-Area Considerations >>>>>> >>>>>> ...... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Section 5.1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Type-9 opaque LSAs and type-10 opaque LSAs do not have this >>>>>> problem >>>>>> as a receiving router can detect an a loss of reachability >>>>>> through the intra-area >>>>>> SPF calculation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Section 5.1 >>>>>> >>>>>> To enable OSPF routers in remote areas to check availability of >>>>>> the >>>>>> originator of link-state type 11 opaque LSAs, the orignators of >>>>>> type-11 opaque LSAs are considered Autonomous System Border >>>>>> Routers (ASBRs) and will advertise themselves as such. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Section 5.1 - Remove "It is important to note that this solution >>>>>> MUST NOT ..." >>>>>> This is redundant. >>>>> >>>>> which part is redundant, just the sentence you are asking to be >>>>> removed? I agree that it is redundant with 2328, but I thin >>>>> mentioning it is still useful. Will rephrase to remove directive. >>>> This part of the specification doesn't modify stub area behavior. >>>> Here, we are talking about validating AS scoped opaque LSA. >>>> I guess you could say, "Note that AS scoped opaque LSA >>>> validation is not applicable to stub and NSSA areas since LSAs >>>> with AS scope are not flooded into these areas types." However, >>>> I don't see it as necessary. >>> >>> here's what I have now: "It is important to note that per >>> [OSPF] this solution does not apply to OSPF stub areas or NSSAs as >>> neither type-11 LSAs are flooded nor are type-4 LSAs originated into >>> such areas." >>> >>> As you mentioned above, it is worth explicitly stating things >>> sometimes. >> Okay - I'll concede though I don't think it is necessary. Can we >> call say "AS scoped opaque LSAs" rather than type-11s. > > sure. Great. > >> Also, do >> we have to add the detail about the ASBR-summary-LSAs (as they >> are referred to RFC 2328). > > This is just an informative statement on an issue that was previously > missed. I'd prefer to keep it. That said, if you really feel > strongly about it, we can remove the whole thing as it's just > informative. Ok. > > > >>>>>> Remove numbered items (1) and (2), these actions ARE NOT new to >>>>>> opaque LSAs. Make (3) a separate paragraph rather than numbered >>>>>> item. >>>>> >>>>> But inclusion of type-11 originate routers as ASBR is new. Will >>>>> rephrase to make clear that existing ospf requirements apply. >>>>> >>>>> How about: >>>>> The procedures related to inter-area opaque LSAs are as follows: >>>>> >>>>> (1) An OSPF router that is configured to originate AS-scope opaque >>>>> LSAs advertise themselves as ASBRs and MUST follow the related >>>>> requirements related to setting of the Options field E-bit in >>>>> OSPF Hello packets and LSA headers as specified in [OSPF]. >>>>> >>>>> (2) When .... >>>> I don't think these points need to be restated even if they reference >>>> RFC 2328. Opaque LSAs don't modify these conditions. Hence, >>>> I don't see them to be required any more than stating the version >>>> field >>>> the OSPF packet header should be set to 2. >>> >>> huh? opaque LSAs aren't present in 2328 and the specification of >>> E-bit setting/handling in 2328 is largely relative to AS-external-LSAs. >> The E options bit must be set in hellos for any regular (not stub or >> NSSA) area >> independent of any opaque support. Opaque LSAs don't change this at all. > > yes, but the use of the E-bit due to Opaque LSAs is novel/unique to > this document. > [...] Not really, the setting of the E-bit in the Hello packet Options is solely dependent on the area type. There is nothing about this specific to opaque LSAs. Thanks, Acee > > Much thanks, > Lou > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 04 12:12:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrHLq-00053Z-31; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:11:34 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrHLp-00053S-2H for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:11:33 -0500 Received: from [205.234.148.52] (helo=esc91.midphase.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrHLR-000351-HI for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:11:33 -0500 Received: from [216.246.62.14] (helo=LC1.labn.net) by esc91.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GrHLL-0006je-UJ; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:11:04 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:11:00 -0500 To: Acee Lindem From: Lou Berger In-Reply-To: <45704882.4010405@cisco.com> References: <455907D0.5010706@cisco.com> <5bg6vi$2pimgv@sj-inbound-f.cisco.com> <45623C49.7070207@cisco.com> <5c02hq$ajidoq@sj-inbound-d.cisco.com> <456CAE87.1030209@cisco.com> <5g70f5$8oceu@sj-inbound-b.cisco.com> <45704882.4010405@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc91.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 093efd19b5f651b2707595638f6c4003 Cc: OSPF List Subject: [OSPF] Re: Comments on draft-berger-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: Acee, see below. At 10:21 AM 12/1/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >Hi Lou, >Since no one offered objection - lets make this a WG document when >refreshed. See below: will do as soon as we close on items in this thread. (which I think we'll do as soon as you respond to this message...) >Lou Berger wrote: >>Hi Acee, >> >>See below. >> >> >>At 04:47 PM 11/28/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >> >>>Hi Lou, >>>Lou Berger wrote: >>>>Acee, >>>> See below. >>>> >>>>At 06:37 PM 11/20/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi Lou, >>>>>See inline. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Lou Berger wrote: >>>>>>Acee, >>>>>> See responses in-line below. >>>>>> >>>>>>Should the corrected version go in as draft-berger or draft-ietf? >>>>>> >>>>>>Lou >>>>>> >>>>>>At 07:03 PM 11/13/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>[...] >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>Section 3.1 - Type 9 LSA - "keep" rather than "keepk". >>>>>> >>>>>>yes. Also I added the following to the beginning of the section: >>>>>> Section 13 of [OSPF] describes the OSPF flooding procedure. >>>>>> Those procedures MUST be followed as defined except where >>>>>> modified in this section. >>>>>> >>>>>>>I believe we >>>>>>> should discard a link-local LSA received >>>>>>> from a neighbor not >>>>>>> on the interface (text similiar to type 11). >>>>>> >>>>>>okay, updated as follows: >>>>>> o If the Opaque LSA is type 9 (the flooding scope is link-local) >>>>>> and the interface that the LSA was received on is not the same >>>>>> as the target interface (e.g., the interface associated with a >>>>>> particular target neighbor), the Opaque LSA SHOULD be discarded >>>>>> and not acknowledged, and MUST NOT be flooded out that interface >>>>>> (or to that neighbor). An implementation SHOULD keep track of >>>>>> the IP interface associated with each Opaque LSA having a >>>>>> link-local flooding scope. >>>>>I guess I think that if you discard an LSA, it is implied that you won't >>>>>reflood it. >>>> >>>>it does say "and MUST NOT be flooded". I'm open to alternate wording. >>>In every other instance where an LSA is discarded in RFC 2328 we don't >>>explicitly state that we don't reflood them. In other words, why would >>>anybody get the misconcept we'd ever reflood anything that was discarded. >> >>ahh, I thought you *wanted* the explicit text. The primary reason >>for the seemingly redundant directives is that's how it was done in >>2370 (see type 11). Also, for type 9 and 10, one is a SHOULD >>(ignore) and the other is a MUST NOT(flood). The ignore part is >>IMO implicit in OSPF/2370, but isn't explicit so I've put it as a >>SHOULD. I have no issue changing this a MUST. >I think saying the LSAs are discarded is enough. okay, changed to MUST discard. [...] >>>>>>>Remove numbered items (1) and (2), these actions ARE NOT new to >>>>>>>opaque LSAs. Make (3) a separate paragraph rather than numbered >>>>>>>item. >>>>>> >>>>>>But inclusion of type-11 originate routers as ASBR is >>>>>>new. Will rephrase to make clear that existing ospf requirements apply. >>>>>> >>>>>>How about: >>>>>>The procedures related to inter-area opaque LSAs are as follows: >>>>>> >>>>>>(1) An OSPF router that is configured to originate AS-scope opaque >>>>>> LSAs advertise themselves as ASBRs and MUST follow the related >>>>>> requirements related to setting of the Options field E-bit in >>>>>> OSPF Hello packets and LSA headers as specified in [OSPF]. >>>>>> >>>>>>(2) When .... >>>>>I don't think these points need to be restated even if they reference >>>>>RFC 2328. Opaque LSAs don't modify these conditions. Hence, >>>>>I don't see them to be required any more than stating the version field >>>>>the OSPF packet header should be set to 2. >>>> >>>>huh? opaque LSAs aren't present in 2328 and the specification of >>>>E-bit setting/handling in 2328 is largely relative to AS-external-LSAs. >>>The E options bit must be set in hellos for any regular (not stub >>>or NSSA) area >>>independent of any opaque support. Opaque LSAs don't change this at all. >> >>yes, but the use of the E-bit due to Opaque LSAs is novel/unique to >>this document. >>[...] >Not really, the setting of the E-bit in the Hello packet Options is solely >dependent on the area type. There is nothing about this specific to >opaque LSAs. okay, will remove the reference to hellos from (1). Thanks, Lou _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 04 14:56:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrJuL-0004Fd-0D; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:55:21 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrJuJ-0004CX-8v for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:55:19 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrJuH-0003nP-JA for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:55:19 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2006 11:55:16 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kB4JtFcR005021; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:55:15 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kB4JtFDM010454; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:55:15 -0500 Received: from [10.82.224.37] ([10.82.224.37]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:55:15 -0500 Message-ID: <45747D22.2020702@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:55:14 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lou Berger References: <455907D0.5010706@cisco.com> <5bg6vi$2pimgv@sj-inbound-f.cisco.com> <45623C49.7070207@cisco.com> <5c02hq$ajidoq@sj-inbound-d.cisco.com> <456CAE87.1030209@cisco.com> <5g70f5$8oceu@sj-inbound-b.cisco.com> <45704882.4010405@cisco.com> <5c02hq$aotajs@sj-inbound-d.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <5c02hq$aotajs@sj-inbound-d.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2006 19:55:15.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DDC3DA0:01C717DE] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4913; t=1165262115; x=1166126115; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Comments=20on=20draft-berger-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt |Sender:=20 |To:=20Lou=20Berger=20; bh=uH5NHnwxiL/pEeasbbghF2iAzE9WOJGomoCAcOGv73o=; b=hEwfUZFXZQcT4riMwqFP3sWNlcCX76abEC1qzTgAohYdJE53rPwJChwZA1tmcNhYh0Mda34o Qu2/s29QDtQmV1woA9rWWboY99hwsvC8Hu2SGAwc7BF5rCDGVOkbmy5a; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ff9c467ad7f19c2a6d058acd7faaec8 Cc: OSPF List Subject: [OSPF] Re: Comments on draft-berger-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lou, Lou Berger wrote: > Acee, > see below. > > At 10:21 AM 12/1/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: > >> Hi Lou, >> Since no one offered objection - lets make this a WG document when >> refreshed. See below: > > will do as soon as we close on items in this thread. (which I think > we'll do as soon as you respond to this message...) > >> Lou Berger wrote: >>> Hi Acee, >>> >>> See below. >>> >>> >>> At 04:47 PM 11/28/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lou, >>>> Lou Berger wrote: >>>>> Acee, >>>>> See below. >>>>> >>>>> At 06:37 PM 11/20/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>> See inline. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Lou Berger wrote: >>>>>>> Acee, >>>>>>> See responses in-line below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should the corrected version go in as draft-berger or draft-ietf? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lou >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 07:03 PM 11/13/2006, Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>> [...] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Section 3.1 - Type 9 LSA - "keep" rather than "keepk". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes. Also I added the following to the beginning of the section: >>>>>>> Section 13 of [OSPF] describes the OSPF flooding procedure. >>>>>>> Those procedures MUST be followed as defined except where >>>>>>> modified in this section. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe we >>>>>>>> should discard a link-local LSA received >>>>>>>> from a neighbor not >>>>>>>> on the interface (text similiar to type 11). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> okay, updated as follows: >>>>>>> o If the Opaque LSA is type 9 (the flooding scope is link-local) >>>>>>> and the interface that the LSA was received on is not the same >>>>>>> as the target interface (e.g., the interface associated with a >>>>>>> particular target neighbor), the Opaque LSA SHOULD be discarded >>>>>>> and not acknowledged, and MUST NOT be flooded out that >>>>>>> interface >>>>>>> (or to that neighbor). An implementation SHOULD keep track of >>>>>>> the IP interface associated with each Opaque LSA having a >>>>>>> link-local flooding scope. >>>>>> I guess I think that if you discard an LSA, it is implied that >>>>>> you won't >>>>>> reflood it. >>>>> >>>>> it does say "and MUST NOT be flooded". I'm open to alternate >>>>> wording. >>>> In every other instance where an LSA is discarded in RFC 2328 we don't >>>> explicitly state that we don't reflood them. In other words, why would >>>> anybody get the misconcept we'd ever reflood anything that was >>>> discarded. >>> >>> ahh, I thought you *wanted* the explicit text. The primary reason >>> for the seemingly redundant directives is that's how it was done in >>> 2370 (see type 11). Also, for type 9 and 10, one is a SHOULD >>> (ignore) and the other is a MUST NOT(flood). The ignore part is IMO >>> implicit in OSPF/2370, but isn't explicit so I've put it as a >>> SHOULD. I have no issue changing this a MUST. >> I think saying the LSAs are discarded is enough. > > okay, changed to MUST discard. > [...] Ok - sounds good. > > >>>>>>>> Remove numbered items (1) and (2), these actions ARE NOT new to >>>>>>>> opaque LSAs. Make (3) a separate paragraph rather than numbered >>>>>>>> item. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But inclusion of type-11 originate routers as ASBR is new. Will >>>>>>> rephrase to make clear that existing ospf requirements apply. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How about: >>>>>>> The procedures related to inter-area opaque LSAs are as follows: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (1) An OSPF router that is configured to originate AS-scope opaque >>>>>>> LSAs advertise themselves as ASBRs and MUST follow the related >>>>>>> requirements related to setting of the Options field E-bit in >>>>>>> OSPF Hello packets and LSA headers as specified in [OSPF]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (2) When .... >>>>>> I don't think these points need to be restated even if they >>>>>> reference >>>>>> RFC 2328. Opaque LSAs don't modify these conditions. Hence, >>>>>> I don't see them to be required any more than stating the version >>>>>> field >>>>>> the OSPF packet header should be set to 2. >>>>> >>>>> huh? opaque LSAs aren't present in 2328 and the specification of >>>>> E-bit setting/handling in 2328 is largely relative to >>>>> AS-external-LSAs. >>>> The E options bit must be set in hellos for any regular (not stub >>>> or NSSA) area >>>> independent of any opaque support. Opaque LSAs don't change this at >>>> all. >>> >>> yes, but the use of the E-bit due to Opaque LSAs is novel/unique to >>> this document. >>> [...] >> Not really, the setting of the E-bit in the Hello packet Options is >> solely >> dependent on the area type. There is nothing about this specific to >> opaque LSAs. > > okay, will remove the reference to hellos from (1). Great - think we are in sync. Thanks, Acee > > Thanks, > Lou > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 04 16:17:28 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrLAp-0000rc-5F; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:16:27 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrLAo-0000rS-56 for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:16:26 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrLAm-00021F-QK for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:16:26 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-6.cisco.com ([171.68.10.81]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2006 13:16:24 -0800 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (sj-core-4.cisco.com [171.68.223.138]) by sj-dkim-6.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kB4LGO2j005902; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:16:24 -0800 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kB4LGEOp020829; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:16:14 -0500 Received: from [10.82.224.37] ([10.82.224.37]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:16:13 -0500 Message-ID: <4574901D.5030108@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:16:13 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OSPF List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2006 21:16:14.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DC9D0B0:01C717E9] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=195; t=1165266984; x=1166130984; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim6002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20OSPF=20Database=20Exchange=20Summary=20List=20Optimization=20 =20-=20=20draft-ogier-ospf-dbex-opt-02.txt |Sender:=20; bh=QcWK9pdfZZTEwervd3pzxRDY/F5g1uyl4x38EYTYlh8=; b=BArehfzLi9uCGBqbTchLNx+OPs8hXDwRZlX9VerhEo601rWvTzVxve8J1eY8puwK/GYwesjp EJxlRCkr4Nik7jzw+XEomoDluRuzpwmdbLrbrQEvzGAmLrFRxKiDyNf/; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-6; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (si g from cisco.com/sjdkim6002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: Richard Ogier Subject: [OSPF] OSPF Database Exchange Summary List Optimization - draft-ogier-ospf-dbex-opt-02.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Based on the discussion on the list and in Montreal and San Diego, I believe that the consensus is to make this a WG document. With the next revision, it will become one. Thanks, Acee _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 04 16:22:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrLGI-0005xS-RA; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:22:06 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrLGH-0005tb-JK for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:22:05 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrLGG-0003AF-7s for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:22:05 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2006 13:22:02 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kB4LM26P023619 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:22:02 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kB4LM1YJ022797 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:22:01 -0500 Received: from [10.82.224.37] ([10.82.224.37]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:22:01 -0500 Message-ID: <45749178.6070800@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:22:00 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OSPF List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2006 21:22:01.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CB2B7C0:01C717EA] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=562; t=1165267322; x=1166131322; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20OSPF=20Version=202=20MIB=20for=20Multi-Topology=20(MT)=20Rout ing=20-=20=20=20draft-rawat-ospf-mt-mib-01 |Sender:=20 |To:=20OSPF=20List=20; bh=l11oCfhEwmhXVyRga/zpBm69TTVnfsJJRmlP0rfgpdE=; b=fMXWpu04TR7xcqHpJAZlS0RRES9W3z6mz8tBXyTAVlm5/kcvY6kGjj4Bjq0bg6tlKshHeYwm vzKEVan89Qx6rsYmP2CUwho6D+gGeQ/UMFFN52JYtrQzNlXuyplU/eaD; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Subject: [OSPF] OSPF Version 2 MIB for Multi-Topology (MT) Routing - draft-rawat-ospf-mt-mib-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org We decided to do this as a separate piece of work as to not delay the update of the OSPFv2 MIB until OSPFv2 MTR had been published. We've accepted OSPFv2 MTR as an OSPF WG draft. It is natural that we would accept the OSPFv2 MTR MIB as well. This draft was presented in Montreal and there was no opposition to this line of reasoning in San Diego. Hence, I see no reason not to make it a WG document and believe this to be the consensus of the WG. Please register your opposition by the end of the week (Dec 8th) if you have any. Thanks, Acee _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 04 18:08:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrMu5-00044B-PR; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:07:17 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrMu3-000442-QR for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:07:15 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrMu0-00026X-6q for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:07:15 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.79]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2006 15:07:11 -0800 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-5.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kB4N7Bia016347 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:07:11 -0800 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kB4N6qdM024083 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:07:10 -0500 Received: from [10.82.224.37] ([10.82.224.37]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:07:09 -0500 Message-ID: <4574AA1D.2070501@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:07:09 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OSPF List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2006 23:07:10.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED18EB30:01C717F8] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=648; t=1165273631; x=1166137631; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim5002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Update=20to=20OSPF=20Graceful=20Restart=20procedure=20-=20dra ft-holla-ospf-update-graceful-restart-02.txt=0A=20 |Sender:=20; bh=bA2ccaedUTH1mXYZPd5ey6DcKVwPIKAp9hbxyZAHZeU=; b=JU010rW1oyj338b2zxCtBUJkZCI1417F19Yl/B3JTElBtWt8yINW/fm9DZIzQv9hA5FVZBuQ jRrZ3y60ENRbZhghE0GFhO9gCxFCNV7SRg23XKZP7XLXICezEUo4bAxG; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-5; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (si g from cisco.com/sjdkim5002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Subject: [OSPF] Update to OSPF Graceful Restart procedure - draft-holla-ospf-update-graceful-restart-02.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This draft was presented in Montreal and was refreshed prior to the San Diego IETF. It proposes two change to RFC 3623. 1) Helper termination criteria between strict-LSA checking and no LSA checking. 2) Explicit helper notification that graceful restart is terminated (other than flooding an inconsistent LSA). Right now there isn't consensus as to whether or not there are requirements for these enhancements. Since in this E-mail I'm speaking as WG Co-chair, I'll comment as a WG member and RFC 3623 co-author in a separate E-mail. Please read the refresh version of the draft and comment. 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(rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kB5IP29Z001148; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:25:02 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kB5IP2DM010782; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:25:02 -0500 Received: from [10.82.224.68] ([10.82.224.68]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:25:01 -0500 Message-ID: <4575B97C.90801@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:25:00 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sujay gupta Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF GR query References: <988EE2C769AC284ABAE9328BFC10703F011AAD88@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com> <45252069.10200@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Sujay, sujay gupta wrote: > Hi Acee, > A late mail on this thread. > > given the scenario if R3-R1 is a stub area > and the incoming LSA is a type-5, even with strict LSA > checking enabled will not exit Helper mode. I'm not sure what the network picture looks like but a helper router can always terminate graceful restart by flooding an inconsistent router or network LSA to the restarting router. Thanks, Acee > > It can be a nice idea to give some explicit notification > by R2 to R1 about exiting helper mode. > > As rightly pointed by you the above conditions and more > has been causing some confusion for some time. > Our proposal ; > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ospf/draft-holla-ospf-update-graceful-restart-02.txt > > hopefully resolves this. > Could we add this as an addendum/reference to RFC3623?, purely an > add-on. > Best Regards. > Sujay > > On 10/5/06, Acee Lindem wrote: >> >> Khan Amir-G20247 wrote: >> > Hi Ace >> > >> > But reaching to a FULL state is not one of the conditions for >> Helper to >> > quit Helper mode, I guess a Helper who has reached >> > to FULL state with its restarting router will wait for Grace LSAs >> to be >> > flushed or GR timeout to happen for exiting Helper mode. >> > >> No - The presumption is when you reach FULL state you don't need to >> "quit" >> helping - you have "finished" helping. Over the years, there have been a >> few situations that could have been better documented - however, this >> never >> caused any confusion in the past. >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> > Regards >> > Aamir >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@cisco.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:00 PM >> > To: Khan Amir-G20247 >> > Cc: ospf@ietf.org >> > Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF GR query >> > >> > Hello Amir, >> > >> > Khan Amir-G20247 wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> I have query related to OSPF Graceful Restart. >> >> >> >> Consider this scenario: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Three Routers R1, R2 and R3 connected via Broadcast networks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Where R1 is a DR on both the segments, where as R2 and R3 are in >> >> DR-other >> >> - Now R1 wants to perform GR, R2 and R3 agrees to be its Helpers. >> >> - Now after restart R1 will try to form adjacency with both R2 and >> R3. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> - Lets say R1 and R2 had become FULL, while R1 and R3 had reached >> >> Exstart state. Now at this time R2 receives an LSA (any type 1-5 >> and >> >> 7, from some other router existing in the same area, not pictured >> >> here) which he needs to flood to R1. >> >> - This will force R2 to quit Helper Status, while R1 and R3 are still >> >> in process of forming adjacency. >> >> >> >> >> > Since he has reached FULL state, he is no longer a helper router. >> > >> >> Considering above scenario, my doubts are: >> >> >> >> - How will R1 come to know that its Helper R2 has quit? >> >> >> >> >> > Since he has reached FULL state, he is no longer a helper router. >> > >> >> - Will the adjacency between R1 and R2 needs to go down, as R2 quits >> >> helper mode? >> >> >> >> >> > No >> > >> >> - Will this effect the adjacency formation of R1 and R3? >> >> >> >> >> > No. R3 MAY exit helper status and re-originate a new router LSA if he >> > receives the new LSA before reaching FULL state with R1 AND he is has >> > strict-LSA-checking configured. >> > >> > Hope this helps, >> > Acee >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Aamir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> -- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> OSPF mailing list >> >> OSPF@ietf.org >> >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSPF mailing list >> OSPF@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 05 16:57:33 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GriHE-0007Ey-Kx; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:56:36 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GriHD-0007Et-1M for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:56:35 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GriHB-0003CF-Nm for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:56:35 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Dec 2006 13:56:33 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kB5LuWv1010805 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:56:32 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kB5LuWDM018611 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:56:32 -0500 Received: from [10.82.224.68] ([10.82.224.68]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: <4575EB0F.8040404@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:56:31 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OSPF List References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2006 21:56:31.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[392EB580:01C718B8] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=411; t=1165355792; x=1166219792; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20I-D=20ACTION=3Adraft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-13.txt |Sender:=20 |To:=20OSPF=20List=20; bh=TCGGqGPgmkWbqGaBWS3i8Gyc08+yw/6mXuSr0U0Q1Eg=; b=quKslsgXa/h7a8DqEjEe02itY1ySRidYbxTAgzaDQPWh1P3EUmz0mZMawiy+lJw0N5jGXD51 SXXAIeixSeU9FEeP/PdX9exQD5xyxi3Gk7s22Xx1oT+WNlEjBh8vVCvy; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Subject: [OSPF] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-13.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org We did a WG last call on the 11 version of this document back in October. I've updated it with some comments I received offline as well as assuring I had addressed issues with other drafts being reviewed by the IESG. Please look at the 12 and 13 changes (they are described in Appendix E.12 and E.13. If there are no further comments, I will send it to AD for evaluation on December 13th. Thanks, Acee _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 05 21:01:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Grm5f-0008ED-Hf; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:00:55 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Grm5e-0008E8-A2 for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:00:54 -0500 Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.54]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Grm5Y-0000U2-82 for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:00:54 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J9T00MBRXJX47@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:59:57 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J9T00LCRXJWC1@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:59:57 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0J9T006WVXJNW4@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:59:56 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:59:47 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF GR query In-reply-to: <4575B97C.90801@cisco.com> To: Acee Lindem Message-id: <45762413.9050203@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_T0MzfP+3jQwyPoa/vGRCpQ)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: <988EE2C769AC284ABAE9328BFC10703F011AAD88@ZMY16EXM66.ds.mot.com> <45252069.10200@cisco.com> <4575B97C.90801@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d9238570526f12788af3d33c67f37625 Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@acm.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_T0MzfP+3jQwyPoa/vGRCpQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hi acee, Helper terminating graceful restart by flooding an inconsistent router or network LSA can cause increased downtime. It is exactly good IMHO to have explicit notification back to re-starter first. The idea is with due respect to the critical interdependencies on OSPF routing on other protocols, and how long we might allow and watch to flap, wrench and wrestle all the signalling, routing, and other data protocols which depend on OSPF in the event of a helper not co-operating. This idea is above all the reason of whether to include this mechanism in grat(c)eful re-start. It rather completes a old gr specification ;-). Thanks, Abhay Acee Lindem wrote: > Hi Sujay, > sujay gupta wrote: >> Hi Acee, >> A late mail on this thread. >> >> given the scenario if R3-R1 is a stub area >> and the incoming LSA is a type-5, even with strict LSA >> checking enabled will not exit Helper mode. > I'm not sure what the network picture looks like but a helper > router can always terminate graceful restart by flooding an > inconsistent router or network LSA to the restarting router. > > Thanks, > Acee > >> >> It can be a nice idea to give some explicit notification >> by R2 to R1 about exiting helper mode. >> >> As rightly pointed by you the above conditions and more >> has been causing some confusion for some time. >> Our proposal ; >> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ospf/draft-holla-ospf-update-graceful-restart-02.txt >> >> hopefully resolves this. >> Could we add this as an addendum/reference to RFC3623?, purely an >> add-on. >> Best Regards. >> Sujay >> >> On 10/5/06, Acee Lindem wrote: >>> >>> Khan Amir-G20247 wrote: >>> > Hi Ace >>> > >>> > But reaching to a FULL state is not one of the conditions for >>> Helper to >>> > quit Helper mode, I guess a Helper who has reached >>> > to FULL state with its restarting router will wait for Grace LSAs >>> to be >>> > flushed or GR timeout to happen for exiting Helper mode. >>> > >>> No - The presumption is when you reach FULL state you don't need to >>> "quit" >>> helping - you have "finished" helping. Over the years, there have >>> been a >>> few situations that could have been better documented - however, this >>> never >>> caused any confusion in the past. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>> >>> > Regards >>> > Aamir >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@cisco.com] >>> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:00 PM >>> > To: Khan Amir-G20247 >>> > Cc: ospf@ietf.org >>> > Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF GR query >>> > >>> > Hello Amir, >>> > >>> > Khan Amir-G20247 wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Hi >>> >> >>> >> I have query related to OSPF Graceful Restart. >>> >> >>> >> Consider this scenario: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> - Three Routers R1, R2 and R3 connected via Broadcast networks. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> - Where R1 is a DR on both the segments, where as R2 and R3 are in >>> >> DR-other >>> >> - Now R1 wants to perform GR, R2 and R3 agrees to be its Helpers. >>> >> - Now after restart R1 will try to form adjacency with both R2 >>> and R3. >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >> - Lets say R1 and R2 had become FULL, while R1 and R3 had reached >>> >> Exstart state. Now at this time R2 receives an LSA (any type >>> 1-5 and >>> >> 7, from some other router existing in the same area, not pictured >>> >> here) which he needs to flood to R1. >>> >> - This will force R2 to quit Helper Status, while R1 and R3 are >>> still >>> >> in process of forming adjacency. >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Since he has reached FULL state, he is no longer a helper router. >>> > >>> >> Considering above scenario, my doubts are: >>> >> >>> >> - How will R1 come to know that its Helper R2 has quit? >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Since he has reached FULL state, he is no longer a helper router. >>> > >>> >> - Will the adjacency between R1 and R2 needs to go down, as R2 quits >>> >> helper mode? >>> >> >>> >> >>> > No >>> > >>> >> - Will this effect the adjacency formation of R1 and R3? >>> >> >>> >> >>> > No. R3 MAY exit helper status and re-originate a new router LSA if he >>> > receives the new LSA before reaching FULL state with R1 AND he is has >>> > strict-LSA-checking configured. >>> > >>> > Hope this helps, >>> > Acee >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Regards >>> >> Aamir >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >> -- >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> OSPF mailing list >>> >> OSPF@ietf.org >>> >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSPF mailing list >>> OSPF@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > --Boundary_(ID_T0MzfP+3jQwyPoa/vGRCpQ) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name=abhayds.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=abhayds.vcf begin:vcard fn:Abhay Rao n:Rao;Abhay email;internet:abhayds@acm.org version:2.1 end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_T0MzfP+3jQwyPoa/vGRCpQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Boundary_(ID_T0MzfP+3jQwyPoa/vGRCpQ)-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 06 07:02:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrvSK-0001hr-Nl; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:00:56 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrvSI-0001fw-RG for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:00:54 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.170]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrvSH-0006QP-Gy for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:00:54 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 72so104359ugd for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:00:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=eLxjJRJo9bvZQ+mEmX97JbjJarpxlQuJIgCW7C6SlPN0uxgoGu2puMRTLlFTIL8nd4WIbaS/HK+pw6HoH1o/Ug5GgdLWKeqeaziYbnlo+SQdIymOEBogi0IOxOKYjTcXztb/XLGq/Jf5FB4O7UGQQpv6yhQ3fe9An0Wlug7LR1g= Received: by 10.67.19.17 with SMTP id w17mr642723ugi.1165406452202; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.244.4 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 04:00:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:30:51 +0530 From: "SANTOSH H" To: ospf@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Subject: [OSPF] ospf packet rejection issues..................... X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0576647823==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org --===============0576647823== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32717_9422216.1165406451628" ------=_Part_32717_9422216.1165406451628 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi All. I have the following query . Here my setup is Cisco2600 connected to non- cisco device over T1 interface. OSPF is configured between these two devices. IOS version of Cisco router is 12.1 where as the non-cisco device's operating system is Windows NT. I am getting the following error on non-cisco device side : Rejected an OSPF packet from 165.65.65.100 to 224.0.0.5 because the OSPF data length in the OSPF header was 48 but the length calculated from the IP Header fields was 60. Due to the above reason routing is not happening between private networks of above mentioned devices. Above 165.65.65.100 is cisco end WAN address and at non-cisco end WAN address is 165.65.65.145. Please let me know the solution , so that IP routing becomes successful. Thanks in advance. regards, Santosh ------=_Part_32717_9422216.1165406451628 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi All.

I  have the  following  query .

Here my setup  is Cisco2600 connected to   non- cisco device over T1
interface.

OSPF is configured between these two devices.

IOS version of Cisco router is 12.1 where as the non-cisco device's
operating system is Windows NT.

I am getting the following error on non-cisco device side :


Rejected an OSPF packet from 165.65.65.100 to 224.0.0.5 because the
OSPF data length in the OSPF header was 48 but the length calculated
from the IP Header fields was 60.

Due to the above reason  routing is not happening between private
networks  of above mentioned devices.

Above 165.65.65.100 is cisco end WAN address and  at non-cisco end WAN
address is 165.65.65.145.


Please let me know the solution , so that IP routing becomes
successful.

Thanks in advance.


regards,
Santosh
------=_Part_32717_9422216.1165406451628-- --===============0576647823== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --===============0576647823==-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 06 08:48:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Grx7X-0002NR-9y; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:47:35 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Grx7W-0002NH-HT for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:47:34 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Grx7V-0007A0-6a for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:47:34 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2006 05:47:32 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kB6DlVX1006783; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:47:31 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kB6DlVYJ020499; Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:47:31 -0500 Received: from [10.82.224.68] ([10.82.224.68]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:47:31 -0500 Message-ID: <4576C9F2.9070501@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:47:30 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SANTOSH H Subject: Re: [OSPF] ospf packet rejection issues..................... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2006 13:47:31.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[137E1D00:01C7193D] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1499; t=1165412851; x=1166276851; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20ospf=20packet=20rejection=20issues.......... ........... |Sender:=20 |To:=20SANTOSH=20H=20; bh=S+w2vojiRuQPYmN+zmUkHVvAphzn3UzHZ8QkuUdkJVQ=; b=AfgP9EdoTXzNL9OF0ci9WnzgUZacVz/tOAXQ/W7PDeH5lsH3SX1f9ruv3qfM/oLNknA+XKQY rjj8TOROOtTnx281ahcsR/lhabrsmx0TW/qd4JCrkm9DMAwC/j/MI0wO; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Santosh, If you read section 8.2 of RFC 2328, there is no place that says that an OSPF router should make this check. We have OSPF Link Local Signalling as a OSPF WG document and with this extension, the OSPF header length will always be different than IP length. We'll discuss offline how to resolve your immediate concern. Acee SANTOSH H wrote: > Hi All. > > I have the following query . > > Here my setup is Cisco2600 connected to non- cisco device over T1 > interface. > > OSPF is configured between these two devices. > > IOS version of Cisco router is 12.1 where as the non-cisco device's > operating system is Windows NT. > > I am getting the following error on non-cisco device side : > > > Rejected an OSPF packet from 165.65.65.100 to 224.0.0.5 because the > OSPF data length in the OSPF header was 48 but the length calculated > from the IP Header fields was 60. > > Due to the above reason routing is not happening between private > networks of above mentioned devices. > > Above 165.65.65.100 is cisco end WAN address and at non-cisco end WAN > address is 165.65.65.145. > > > Please let me know the solution , so that IP routing becomes > successful. > > Thanks in advance. > > > regards, > Santosh > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 06 21:15:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs8lo-0000RJ-3O; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:13:56 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs8ln-0000RB-32 for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:13:55 -0500 Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.54]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gs8lh-0008M6-7r for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:13:55 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J9V005DXSNP3M@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:09:25 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J9V003OOSNPOG@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:09:25 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0J9V00HKSSNLJW@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:09:24 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:09:21 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] ospf packet rejection issues..................... In-reply-to: To: SANTOSH H Message-id: <457777D1.1020801@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_T4RNPB0mDf758r2lp0TrIg)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 03169bfe4792634a390035a01a6c6d2f Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@acm.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_T4RNPB0mDf758r2lp0TrIg) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_orSUYshpOQp5OASKaGqH3A)" --Boundary_(ID_orSUYshpOQp5OASKaGqH3A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Have you tried a different Vendor ?. No offense...For light humour... Rgds, Abhay SANTOSH H wrote: > Hi All. > > I have the following query . > > Here my setup is Cisco2600 connected to non- cisco device over T1 > interface. > > OSPF is configured between these two devices. > > IOS version of Cisco router is 12.1 where as the non-cisco device's > operating system is Windows NT. > > I am getting the following error on non-cisco device side : > > > Rejected an OSPF packet from 165.65.65.100 to > 224.0.0.5 because the > OSPF data length in the OSPF header was 48 but the length calculated > from the IP Header fields was 60. > > Due to the above reason routing is not happening between private > networks of above mentioned devices. > > Above 165.65.65.100 is cisco end WAN address > and at non-cisco end WAN > address is 165.65.65.145 . > > > Please let me know the solution , so that IP routing becomes > successful. > > Thanks in advance. > > > regards, > Santosh > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > --Boundary_(ID_orSUYshpOQp5OASKaGqH3A) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Have you tried a different Vendor ?.

No offense...For light humour...

Rgds,
Abhay

SANTOSH H wrote:
Hi All.

I  have the  following  query .

Here my setup  is Cisco2600 connected to   non- cisco device over T1
interface.

OSPF is configured between these two devices.

IOS version of Cisco router is 12.1 where as the non-cisco device's
operating system is Windows NT.

I am getting the following error on non-cisco device side :


Rejected an OSPF packet from 165.65.65.100 to 224.0.0.5 because the
OSPF data length in the OSPF header was 48 but the length calculated
from the IP Header fields was 60.

Due to the above reason  routing is not happening between private
networks  of above mentioned devices.

Above 165.65.65.100 is cisco end WAN address and  at non-cisco end WAN
address is 165.65.65.145.


Please let me know the solution , so that IP routing becomes
successful.

Thanks in advance.


regards,
Santosh

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If possible, please announce this draft > to the OSPF WG. We, as approved by the WG chair, would like this > draft to be issued as draft-ietf-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt, and to > replace draft-berger-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt. The draft is available from: >http://www.labn.net/docs/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt > >Much thanks, >Lou (and co-authors) _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 07 17:33:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsRnP-0005Zb-Cl; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:32:51 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsRnO-0005ZQ-Af for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:32:50 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsRnK-0002Ar-So for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:32:50 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JFxKQ9Sr2gzU9A1L33vml2ZMzOJcPNpE334sLZrFRZSxqqkun2mVnBLovMLiOqIP; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:X-Sender:X-Mailer:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.153.179] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GsRnJ-0003IL-Ay; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:32:45 -0500 Message-ID: <457894F0.2116362@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:25:52 -0800 From: Erblichs X-Sender: "Erblichs" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sujay gupta , Acee Lindem , ospf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Fwd: [OSPF] Update to OSPF Graceful Restart procedure - draft-holla-ospf-update-graceful-restart-02.txt References: <4574AA1D.2070501@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 074f60c55517ea841aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79831a9b0cea5422141d60fb4e26d83066350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.153.179 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 67c1ea29f88502ef6a32ccec927970f0 Cc: X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Sujay, et al, The RFC 3623 has at least what I believe to be these loopholes. The first 8 should be no-brainers, IMO :-) Except #6. Since 99+% IMO are BMA envs and most of my work is their, no suggestions pertain stricly to non BMA envs. 1) Before GR-LSAs are sent, their should be a check for Opaque capability (identified during database exchange). If no capability, it should be prematurely terminated. FYI: GR-LSAs are Opaque LSAs which require Opaque support. 2) To support up to 1 hr. If the GR-rtr is a DR-other re-originating self LSAs should give 1 hrs worth of time. 2b) If the original self orig LSAs were DNA LSAs, they need to be re-originated as non DNA LSAs during the GR-interval. 3) Re-sending GR-LSAs frequently needs to be explicitly stated to be limited to the standard of LSA retransmission of MinLSInterval (5) secs. 4) No MAXAGE LSAs should be outstanding by any of the rtrs on the link when the GR-LSAs are xmited. 5) No LSAs should be present on any full adj rexmit list at the time that the GR-rtr stops ackimg OSPF control pkts from its full adj nbrs. 6) If the GR-rtr X is a DR other, it should be explictly stated that the DR/BDR SHOULD flood these GR-LSAs back on the link without consideration that their are no direct full adj rtrs to GR-rtr X. 7) The draft could be made clearer if a timeline were used as: at GR-time 0, pre rtr-X, verifies that no OSPF events are occuring and that its rexmits lists are empty. It it then validates its full adj nbrs for Opaq support and if present, originates Gr-LSAs. Rtr-X SHOULD waits for acks of its GR-LSAs and starts the GR-interval timer which occurs at GR-time 1. ... 8) If rtr-Y accepts helper responsibilites, then it should back off any flooding / retransmissions to rtr-X of OSPF control pkts for a max of the GR-interval. 9) ??? If GR-rtr is a DR-other, then why NOT support a secondary type of rtr helper-Y? If they support GR, then they are allowed to keep their original hello until the GR-interval ends. No other support is required by the secondary rtr-Ys. By link flooding requirements they all must recv the GR-LSAs. No, they won't understand them if they don't support Opaque LSAs and thus THOSE will no longer adv rtr-X after rtr dead interval. A) ??? Topology changes.. a) Should a new link / intf ALYWAYS prematurely end a GR-helper-y. If this new link has a higher outgoing cost by say helper-Y than the link to Gr-rtr-X, shouldn't it be obvious that we prefer the link to X? Why can't we run the new SPF algor, flood the LSA, and not BLACKHOLE rtr-X? If the GR-rtr is a DR. Worse-case. the flooding will still occur via the BDR. Yes, a requirement is that if the GR-rtr is a DR, the BDR must be present. Mitchell Erblich sujay gupta wrote: > > Mithcell, > Thanks for your previous comments. > Could you please add to the list the RFC 3623 > original draft has loops and we need some > update to resolve them. > Thanks, > Sujay > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Acee Lindem > Date: Dec 5, 2006 4:37 AM > Subject: [OSPF] Update to OSPF Graceful Restart procedure - > draft-holla-ospf-update-graceful-restart-02.txt > To: OSPF List > > This draft was presented in Montreal and was refreshed prior to the > San > Diego IETF. > It proposes two change to RFC 3623. > > 1) Helper termination criteria between strict-LSA checking and no > LSA > checking. > 2) Explicit helper notification that graceful restart is terminated > (other than flooding an > inconsistent LSA). > > Right now there isn't consensus as to whether or not there are > requirements for these > enhancements. Since in this E-mail I'm speaking as WG Co-chair, I'll > comment as a > WG member and RFC 3623 co-author in a separate E-mail. > > Please read the refresh version of the draft and comment. > > Thanks, > Acee > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 07 20:48:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsUp3-0007f1-AF; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:46:45 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsUp2-0007eO-4R; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:46:44 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsUp0-0005Iy-QB; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:46:44 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2006 17:46:42 -0800 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kB81kfe2028012; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:46:41 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kB81kbWC010601; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmb-sjc-222.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.106]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:46:37 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:46:37 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Isis-wg] Re: [Fwd: [mpls] WG Last Call ondraft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt] Thread-Index: AccT81/XiICnmTiZSr2qcnqjTzVEswGdWjrw From: "Les Ginsberg \(ginsberg\)" To: "Jean Philippe Vasseur \(jvasseur\)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2006 01:46:37.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3400000:01C71A6A] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1688; t=1165542401; x=1166406401; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ginsberg@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Les=20Ginsberg=20\(ginsberg\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[Isis-wg]=20Re=3A=20[Fwd=3A=20[mpls]=20WG=20Last=20Ca ll=20ondraft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt] |Sender:=20; bh=W/PRbQFPcFLZ2kxfShOF2DUv6RkYA4yIKeRCCE6JaZU=; b=CvoBQgsWUWq4PbhmNSfKgsuzTB+QpN6yJ7LX2poPG7XW8P8HQhNEnIWEU/+6n5qI+65tjrR+ 9N1mluNKO1Xg9hJkSRW++wcWtiU4rXWSna2XhWWI2+CQO5V2yVWEySaY; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=ginsberg@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Cc: "George Swallow \(swallow\)" , rtg-dir@ietf.org, Loa Andersson , isis-wg@ietf.org, ospf@ietf.org Subject: [OSPF] RE: [Isis-wg] Re: [Fwd: [mpls] WG Last Call ondraft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt] X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org JP - Sorry for the very belated comments - but I do have two minor, but still important, concerns regarding IS-IS. Both are in Section 3.1. 1)You have specified a 32 bit value for the number of unconstrained TE LSPs. I would prefer that this be a 16 bit value. This still provides ample range and given the 255 octet limit for a TLV, it is worthwhile to be prudent in our use of encoding space. And, unlike OSPF, there is no benefit in IS-IS to attempts to align fields on a natural boundary. Whether you want to change OSPF encoding to match is not required and is left up to you and OSPF folks to decide. So Length (1 octet): 4 becomes Length (1 octet): 2 And Value (4 octets): number of unconstrained TE LSP(s) signalled across the link. Becomes Value (2 octets): number of unconstrained TE LSP(s) signalled across the link. 2)Remove the following sentence from the first paragraph of Section 3.1: "If a second instance of the Number of 0-bandwidth TE LSP(s) sub-TLV is present, the receiving system MUST only process the first instance of the sub-TLV." In cases where a TLV may move from one LSP fragment to another (for example because of the addition of information which exceeds the carrying capacity of the original LSP fragment) a router may have multiple copies of the same TLV as a transient condition. It is impossible to know which of the copies is newer and therefore impossible to deterministically decide which is the first instance of a subTLV. So it is better to leave the behavior in this case as undefined. Thanx - and once again my apologies for the very late review. Les _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 07 21:08:00 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsV9X-0007PN-4E; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:07:55 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsV9V-0007Oz-Ej; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:07:53 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GsV9T-0001q2-3c; Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:07:53 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2006 18:07:50 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kB827nk7021536; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:07:49 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kB827nDM006145; Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:07:49 -0500 Received: from [10.86.104.179] ([10.86.104.179]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:07:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: JP Vasseur Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 21:07:45 -0500 To: "Les Ginsberg \(ginsberg\)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2006 02:07:48.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8CCF3F0:01C71A6D] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2020; t=1165543669; x=1166407669; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[Isis-wg]=20Re=3A=20[Fwd=3A=20[mpls]=20WG=20Last=20Ca ll=20ondraft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt] |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Les=20Ginsberg=20\(ginsberg\)=22=20; bh=alNIcAXgWvky8DXrSZ/XnEA9JObFfBTAb4obJgqrKhY=; b=Tc4IMt3l2yV7M8LKz/hAlhHpxvsc/q7qRNlKVx49tEE+69ca4uOLPQXQ7YzpRVfi9F+Aix3U oxmSRjSZTkP6bnJUTquFOmxOMxRugA/tssgAuyP1adqAdaGU5GSxbqK2; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Cc: "George Swallow \(swallow\)" , rtg-dir@ietf.org, Loa Andersson , isis-wg@ietf.org, ospf@ietf.org Subject: [OSPF] Re: [Isis-wg] Re: [Fwd: [mpls] WG Last Call ondraft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt] X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Les, Your comments definitely make sense, thanks. I'll respin a new revision very soon, this time the last one. Thanks. JP. On Dec 7, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Les Ginsberg ((ginsberg)) wrote: > JP - > > Sorry for the very belated comments - but I do have two minor, but > still > important, concerns regarding IS-IS. > > Both are in Section 3.1. > > 1)You have specified a 32 bit value for the number of unconstrained TE > LSPs. I would prefer that this be a 16 bit value. This still provides > ample range and given the 255 octet limit for a TLV, it is > worthwhile to > be prudent in our use of encoding space. And, unlike OSPF, there is no > benefit in IS-IS to attempts to align fields on a natural boundary. > Whether you want to change OSPF encoding to match is not required > and is > left up to you and OSPF folks to decide. > > So > Length (1 octet): 4 > > becomes > > Length (1 octet): 2 > > And > > Value (4 octets): number of unconstrained TE LSP(s) signalled > across > the link. > > Becomes > > Value (2 octets): number of unconstrained TE LSP(s) signalled > across > the link. > > 2)Remove the following sentence from the first paragraph of Section > 3.1: > > "If a second instance of the Number of > 0-bandwidth TE LSP(s) sub-TLV is present, the receiving system MUST > only process the first instance of the sub-TLV." > > In cases where a TLV may move from one LSP fragment to another (for > example because of the addition of information which exceeds the > carrying capacity of the original LSP fragment) a router may have > multiple copies of the same TLV as a transient condition. It is > impossible to know which of the copies is newer and therefore > impossible > to deterministically decide which is the first instance of a > subTLV. So > it is better to leave the behavior in this case as undefined. > > Thanx - and once again my apologies for the very late review. > > Les > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 10 16:19:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GtW2r-000242-4F; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:17:13 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GtW2p-0001rk-Oi for ospf@ietf.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:17:11 -0500 Received: from mail03.imt.uwm.edu ([129.89.7.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GtW2o-0003J1-Dh for ospf@ietf.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:17:11 -0500 Received: from uwm.edu (pm03.imt.uwm.edu [129.89.7.63]) by mail03.imt.uwm.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBALGxTr014022; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:17:04 -0600 Received: from rrcs-67-52-10-122.west.biz.rr.com (rrcs-67-52-10-122.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.10.122]) by panthermail.uwm.edu (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:16:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1165785404.457c793c4390d@panthermail.uwm.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:16:44 -0600 From: mukul@uwm.edu To: OSPF List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: PantherMail 3.2.9-cvs X-Originating-IP: 67.52.10.122 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: Subject: [OSPF] distributed version of John Moy's ospfd simulator X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, A distributed version of John Moy's ospfd simulator is available at http://www.cs.uwm.edu/~mukul/newospfd.html The main changes over the original simulator are: 1) Individual router processes could be run over different machines. 2) Topology changes can be specified in a simulation script. 3) It is possible to associate time requirement with different processing tasks (processing packets, doing Dijkstra calculation etc.) (hence it is possible to track router "busy" periods). 4) Took away the GUI. We have been using the simulator for over 6 months now and hence are pretty confident that it is now bug free. We have used the simulator to do 80 router simulations over 2 linux machines. We have not yet worked on porting it to other OS. We dont yet have extensive documentation for the modified simulator. Some documentation is available on the web page identified above. I will be happy to help any one interested in using this simulator. I will be happy to receive any comments on our modifications. Thanks, Mukul Goyal _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 11 08:48:26 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GtlVB-0006sX-UJ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:47:29 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GtlVA-0006r7-SQ for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:47:28 -0500 Received: from [205.234.148.52] (helo=esc91.midphase.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GtlV6-0004DB-FO for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:47:28 -0500 Received: from esc91.midphase.com ([216.246.62.14] helo=LC1.labn.net) by esc91.midphase.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GtlV1-0000VC-9R; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:47:19 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:47:15 -0500 To: Lou Berger From: Lou Berger Subject: Re: [OSPF] Fwd: Revised draft, new name: draft-ietf-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc91.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: All, Here's a list of what's changed between this rev and the rev discussed at the last ietf. All substantive changes were made after discussion on the list with Acee. 1) Made a WG draft. (name change draft-berger-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt to draft-ietf-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt) 2) swapped sections 5 and 6 3) Fixed a number of typos from the carried over from RFC2370. 4) Added explicit references to NSSAs 5) Clarified flooding rules in 3.1, also added reference to OSPFv3 ( 6) In Section 5, tightened e-bit processing language. 7) Replaced management considerations section (now section 6) to indicated that all original points in RFC2370 are now addressed in draft-ietf-ospf-mib-update- 8) updated references. 9) updated section 12.1 to reflect current usage of the OSPF Options field. 10) Other minor/nit editorial changes. Much thanks to Acee for taking the time to do such a thorough review of the draft. It is much improved as a result. That's it, Lou At 02:27 PM 12/7/2006, Lou Berger wrote: >FYI - per discussion on list... > >>Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:26:32 -0500 >>To: internet-drafts@ietf.org >>From: Lou Berger >>Subject: Revised draft, new name: draft-ietf-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt >>Cc: lberger@labn.net, "Igor Bryskin" , >>alex.zinin@alcatel.com, zinin@psg.com, Acee Lindem >> >>Hello, >> We'd like to submit a revision to our draft titled "The >> OSPF Opaque LSA Option". If possible, please announce this draft >> to the OSPF WG. We, as approved by the WG chair, would like this >> draft to be issued as draft-ietf-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt, and to >> replace draft-berger-ospf-rfc2370bis-00.txt. 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20:43:32 -0500 Received: from mike-db.fortinet.com ([208.181.115.10]) by mail.apsecure.com with ESMTP id kBC1hBQF026416 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:43:11 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mike-db.fortinet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775CF9997A for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:43:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <457E092E.3080702@fortinet.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:43:10 -0800 From: Michael Rozhavsky User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ospf@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Subject: [OSPF] OSPF Restart Signaling X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I have a question regarding draft-nguyen-ospf-restart-06.txt. Consider a topology with 4 routers in a broadcast network. Now, assume that one of the DROther routers restarts. What should another DROther router do with hello packets that have RS bit set? The draft says that we should skip 2-way connectivity check only when the neighbor is in state FULL, but does not explicitly says what to do otherwise. Thank you in advance. -- Michael Rozhavsky _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 01:31:20 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gu19L-0001Y1-2G; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:29:59 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gu19K-0001Vp-C2 for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:29:58 -0500 Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gu19I-0007n6-Ng for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:29:58 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA500EE9E0K6B@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:29:08 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA500CF4E0KGO@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:29:08 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JA500F63E0FVT@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:29:08 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:29:02 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF Restart Signaling In-reply-to: <457E092E.3080702@fortinet.com> To: Michael Rozhavsky Message-id: <457E4C2E.70407@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_L/Hpc0xSNuLiVNd5RLEkug)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: <457E092E.3080702@fortinet.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@acm.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_L/Hpc0xSNuLiVNd5RLEkug) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hi Rozhavsky, An implementation explicitly might record that a router requested a re-start, but the DR other does not qualify for helping, since it has no information it can give to re-starting DR other. One of the better things to do here is just give a log information .. Abhay Michael Rozhavsky wrote: > Hi, > > I have a question regarding draft-nguyen-ospf-restart-06.txt. > > Consider a topology with 4 routers in a broadcast network. Now, assume > that one of the DROther routers restarts. What should another DROther > router do with hello packets that have RS bit set? The draft says that > we should skip 2-way connectivity check only when the neighbor is in > state FULL, but does not explicitly says what to do otherwise. > > Thank you in advance. > --Boundary_(ID_L/Hpc0xSNuLiVNd5RLEkug) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name=abhayds.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=abhayds.vcf begin:vcard fn:Abhay Rao n:Rao;Abhay email;internet:abhayds@acm.org version:2.1 end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_L/Hpc0xSNuLiVNd5RLEkug) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Boundary_(ID_L/Hpc0xSNuLiVNd5RLEkug)-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 12:29:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuBQs-0005H6-3y; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:28:46 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuBQp-0005Gt-VL for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:28:43 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuBQn-0002Ib-2A for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:28:43 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IPeR5PMpp1VXrZRaoofD/z9cTdjG18rZOI5PJjnw+ELVmqSUFkERi4x8YZNt9x2a; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:X-Sender:X-Mailer:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.154.60] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GuBQm-0004XH-Do for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:28:40 -0500 Message-ID: <457EE558.C26ACBB9@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:22:32 -0800 From: Erblichs X-Sender: "Erblichs" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ospf@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 074f60c55517ea841aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79454e0d2f0e8c2e3bcef107dd0774da18350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.154.60 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Subject: [OSPF] Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Authors, 1) It has come to my attention about a possible inconsistency or ordering of non-consistent options now exist. Let me clarify... Graceful Restart example This new draft introduces new options / capabilities (Graceful Restart) with bit 0 and bit 1. These two bits alone can cause confusion, but with the additional requirement that GR requires Opaque LSA support we have a THIRD bit involvement. In some document, there needs clarification as to at least GR, whether the Opaque bit should first be checked before either of these two other bits to validate whether GR support is possible. The first doc (GRACE) never suggested the Opaque bit LSA check before a GR-LSA was initially adv... Secondly, there needs to be a clarification as what should be done if a router originates Grace-LSAs that originated this LSA and did NOT set bit 0 (OSPF graceful restart capable) Thirdly, does the adv having not set bit 1 (OSPF graceful restart helper) SUGGEST all full adj nbrs that with to enter GR and understand this bit, check that this bit was set? And not send out a Grace-LSA if it wasn't... Fourth, does the support of either bit assume that the other bit is supported? If we set bit 1, does that mean bit "0" must be set? 2) General comment / questions A) What is meant by "OSPF routers MAY optionally advertise their optional capabilities"? Thus, what is "gained" by advertising say the GR bits? Can a rtr optionally support its optional advs? Or stated another way.. Can a rtr that has advertised GR functionality, support this functionality to only a subset of its nbrs? Ex: Can a DR only support a rtr that is a BDR doing a GR and not support any DRothers doing a GR?????? Thank you, Mitchell Erblich _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 12:41:35 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuBdF-0001mf-P0; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:41:33 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuBdF-0001ma-06 for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:41:33 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuBdC-0005XU-KN for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:41:32 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-7.cisco.com ([171.68.10.88]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2006 09:41:30 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,525,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="450510652:sNHT49465516" Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (sj-core-4.cisco.com [171.68.223.138]) by sj-dkim-7.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBCHfTho028148; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:41:29 -0800 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBCHfTOV027116; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:41:29 -0500 Received: from [10.82.208.75] ([10.82.208.75]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:41:28 -0500 Message-ID: <457EE9C8.1070901@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:41:28 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erblichs Subject: Re: [OSPF] Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities References: <457EE558.C26ACBB9@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <457EE558.C26ACBB9@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 17:41:28.0981 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1044450:01C71E14] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2634; t=1165945290; x=1166809290; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim7002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Extensions=20to=20OSPF=20for=20Advertising=2 0Optional=20Router=09Capabilities |Sender:=20; bh=hjWEksMnoGrky0hPr0Rn0Ymy1NwkguPSJofB5/1dbo0=; b=BkuEWIv0Ke6MMk+yb1iNxsgODQkR2fVNw6kceyKdhXtUzGWQYGba6i9D0Slt0rdxsCFS1yQY qlCJNtfH/yE1JMsNJcO1MdRwpd3hEth6Q+Hf+CFKx1soNAJhfOFAvmdq; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-7; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (si g from cisco.com/sjdkim7002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mitchell, Erblichs wrote: > Authors, > > 1) > It has come to my attention about a possible > inconsistency or ordering of non-consistent > options now exist. > > Let me clarify... Graceful Restart example > > This new draft introduces new options / capabilities > (Graceful Restart) with bit 0 and bit 1. These two bits > alone can cause confusion, but with the additional > requirement that GR requires Opaque LSA support we have > a THIRD bit involvement. > > In some document, there needs clarification as to at > least GR, whether the Opaque bit should first be checked > before either of these two other bits to validate > whether GR support is possible. > > The first doc (GRACE) never suggested the Opaque > bit LSA check before a GR-LSA was initially adv... > > Secondly, there needs to be a clarification as what > should be done if a router originates Grace-LSAs that > originated this LSA and did NOT set bit 0 > (OSPF graceful restart capable) > > Thirdly, does the adv having not set bit 1 > (OSPF graceful restart helper) SUGGEST all full adj > nbrs that with to enter GR and understand this bit, > check that this bit was set? And not send out a Grace-LSA > if it wasn't... > > Fourth, does the support of either bit assume that the other > bit is supported? If we set bit 1, does that mean bit "0" must > be set? > As clearly stated in the document, the bits in question are informational. > > 2) General comment / questions > > A) What is meant by "OSPF routers MAY optionally advertise their > optional capabilities"? > > Thus, what is "gained" by advertising say the GR bits? > The infra-structure provides a mechanism for future options (e.g., the TE capabilities). Since the bits advertise pre-date the corresponding functions, we can't very well make them dependent on them. The bits (for OSPF routers that do advertise the new capabilities) can be useful in debugging (this is also stated in the document). > Can a rtr optionally support its optional advs? > > Or stated another way.. > > Can a rtr that has advertised GR functionality, support this > functionality > to only a subset of its nbrs? > Ex: Can a DR only support a rtr that is a BDR doing a GR and not > support > any DRothers doing a GR?????? > Nope - please read RFC 3623. Thanks, Acee > > Thank you, > Mitchell Erblich > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 17:33:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuGAW-0006En-9b; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:12 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuGAV-0006Eh-IM for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:11 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuGAR-0000NN-36 for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:11 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2006 14:32:06 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBCMW5cK022040 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:05 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBCMW5DM023707 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:05 -0500 Received: from [10.82.208.75] ([10.82.208.75]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:05 -0500 Message-ID: <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:04 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 22:32:05.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[59BD3940:01C71E3D] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=533; t=1165962725; x=1166826725; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=20OSPFv3=20draft-wa ng-aospf-00 |Sender:=20 |To:=20; bh=wKtKxAgeTC/xdFhX2cHkMDWVLE8LkaDHRZR5io+rXII=; b=EfOuq4yqUkyTsj5/P7qU3Xms7JC92+X/17acxUjQLGcaX768nK2St/eR5SGqp5zvyZd2rrJ3 Mv5tkzvUO4W11qdBzJn15c8aPSlk7ZAX3ffx4gpr38pya9ByIy2v0deT; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Speaking as WG Chair: I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let the authors know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. Thanks, Acee Yue Wang wrote: > This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), > a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which > we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And > the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt > > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 17:41:27 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuGJR-0004se-8E; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:41:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuGJO-0004sK-RF for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:41:23 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuGJM-0004VP-Uh for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:41:22 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.79]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2006 14:41:20 -0800 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-5.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBCMfKB4003025 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:41:20 -0800 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBCMfIdI022174 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:41:19 -0500 Received: from [10.82.208.75] ([10.82.208.75]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:41:19 -0500 Message-ID: <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:41:18 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2006 22:41:19.0399 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4243370:01C71E3E] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1135; t=1165963280; x=1166827280; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim5002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=20OSPFv3=20draft-wa ng-aospf-00 |Sender:=20; bh=wld9j9wjMlm/8MFDrjL0UdW/PkekVFl/PUD/e595LMA=; b=Sh3hmqLsbjyBK2o3r/50zAr+27OKFVGUg6vTlCQAQ09TQgxo0VO8EDwrRiIRBfz1igzUe3ej tbWggx2245Pe40UqZDnRqF6cJAUA6YV+mDXiwZE8wezI0OY23OeeDXrU; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-5; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (si g from cisco.com/sjdkim5002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol already support configuration of host routes as described in appendix C.7. Thanks, Acee Acee Lindem wrote: > Speaking as WG Chair: > > I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let the > authors > know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. > > Thanks, > Acee > > Yue Wang wrote: >> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), >> a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which >> we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And >> the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. >> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 19:35:34 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuI53-0007xs-C4; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:34:41 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuI52-0007xn-2g for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:34:40 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuI50-0005xe-Q8 for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:34:40 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2006 16:34:38 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBD0YbuT030594; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:34:37 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rtp-ruwhite-vpn13.cisco.com [10.82.175.126]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with SMTP id kBD0YbDM018872; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:34:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <457F4A9A.3000301@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:34:34 -0500 From: Russ White User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1005; t=1165970077; x=1166834077; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=riw@cisco.com; z=From:=20Russ=20White=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=20OSPFv3=20draft-wa ng-aospf-00 |Sender:=20 |To:=20Acee=20Lindem=20; bh=goy+ZxRQZYzBXnndBDJky+NH8GVx9ZFt3/ZjA/z+2Hk=; b=RXAfm8/B1Ar6q0o5FIHtOGy947DmuETzEJDbJ9RqDsEyYICAWpcTyjdpS/M/69MZwjZV3USP wX6BdZVtq5X/UMMcEEqekr8ep51ORArgLCH8xV/DyYZCBc80GVqnlfbL; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=riw@cisco.com; dkim=pass (si g from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: > > My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft > are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its > update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. > One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol > already support configuration of host routes as described in appendix > C.7. I would tend to agree with this analysis... One of the nice things about anycast is that routers and routing don't have to change to make it work. Specifying extensions to an IGP to "make it work" seems contrary to the spirit of the thing.... :-) Russ - -- riw@cisco.com CCIE <>< Grace Alone -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFf0qaER27sUhU9OQRAtFPAJ9r4hiNWHqBQkOhZXaV2DEmxAzFlwCg9Sw0 9lO2kaituRBUHMbO0d3iwnY= =e4RM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 21:36:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuJxG-000869-6x; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:34:46 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuJxE-00085R-NP for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:34:44 -0500 Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.53]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuJjU-0002QZ-Kk for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:20:34 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA60032HX41H4@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:19:13 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA6001UTX40HA@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:19:13 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JA600K92X3X06@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:19:12 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:19:08 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 In-reply-to: <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> To: Acee Lindem Message-id: <457F631C.8080809@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_b9uuk42j0hWrSUlCLR2T1Q)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@acm.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_b9uuk42j0hWrSUlCLR2T1Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hi acee, Not very positive and encouraging, being on a WG chair. It reminds me of folks at the ATM forum in the past !! Thanks, Abhay Acee Lindem wrote: > Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: > > My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft > are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its > update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. > One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol > already support configuration of host routes as described in appendix > C.7. > > Thanks, > Acee > > Acee Lindem wrote: >> Speaking as WG Chair: >> >> I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let the >> authors >> know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> Yue Wang wrote: >>> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), >>> a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which >>> we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And >>> the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. >>> >>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSPF mailing list >> OSPF@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > --Boundary_(ID_b9uuk42j0hWrSUlCLR2T1Q) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name=abhayds.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=abhayds.vcf begin:vcard fn:Abhay Rao n:Rao;Abhay email;internet:abhayds@acm.org version:2.1 end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_b9uuk42j0hWrSUlCLR2T1Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Boundary_(ID_b9uuk42j0hWrSUlCLR2T1Q)-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 21:39:51 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuK2B-0001DM-5j; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:39:51 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuK29-0001DB-Lm for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:39:49 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuK26-0005h9-TW for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:39:49 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2006 18:39:47 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,160,1165219200"; d="scan'208"; a="48468023:sNHT45829180" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBD2dk69031583; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:39:46 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBD2dkYJ008882; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:39:46 -0500 Received: from [10.82.208.75] ([10.82.208.75]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:39:45 -0500 Message-ID: <457F67F1.3080009@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:39:45 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: abhayds@acm.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> <457F631C.8080809@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <457F631C.8080809@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 02:39:46.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[F38B7D80:01C71E5F] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1903; t=1165977586; x=1166841586; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=20OSPFv3=20draft-wa ng-aospf-00 |Sender:=20 |To:=20abhayds@acm.org; bh=oJF7Vx/MadptXA5Wl37JTqLseSBeAxyZkhVJSNYQLGw=; b=O/4qF3qbcp+1GBoTS4BQOU7eZ4Pfm5VVjU7Dv0/sMOppUiblSAH29r/pNdDMHeqRsklVxTXi tgwrGePp3j2T3iaPxTw+K+JNdSrnths+wlnKBNy/AbeqCV0YR96k0RDu; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Abhay, Abhay D.S wrote: > hi acee, > Not very positive and encouraging, being on a WG chair. I clearly stated I was speaking a WG member and have just as much right as anyone else to state my opinion as to whether or not a specific piece of work is accepted by the WG. If you have technical comments related to the draft as opposed to critiques of character, I'd encourage you to share them. Thanks, Acee > It reminds me of folks at the ATM forum in the past !! > Thanks, > Abhay > > > > Acee Lindem wrote: >> Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: >> >> My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft >> are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its >> update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. >> One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol >> already support configuration of host routes as described in appendix >> C.7. >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> Acee Lindem wrote: >>> Speaking as WG Chair: >>> >>> I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let the >>> authors >>> know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>> >>> Yue Wang wrote: >>>> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), >>>> a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which >>>> we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And >>>> the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. >>>> >>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSPF mailing list >>> OSPF@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSPF mailing list >> OSPF@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 21:55:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuKGx-0007vV-Nq; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:55:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuKGv-0007vA-V7 for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:55:05 -0500 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.233]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuKFx-0008DL-K5 for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:54:07 -0500 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h27so39566wxd for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:54:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LJH1r5WKvLaGnWn3ps/jLfh3JLhyXA3+W3BWPFUZV7/8DmN8abovaMyFS4C7vilt+eKaJ3mMYl+aBvCYLGtz6x/jkwSCV+hoAJa8205d2gFTdIf/5q7MWtu7Uc6cMF5Tcv1Kox87BNbCbHVOOrTZIrfvO1GoLXUxZNPUTluUrcE= Received: by 10.90.80.8 with SMTP id d8mr196878agb.1165978445260; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.71.7 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:54:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <77ead0ec0612121854m22dde646s9926ceae66b936c0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:54:05 -0800 From: "Vishwas Manral" To: "Acee Lindem" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 In-Reply-To: <457F67F1.3080009@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> <457F631C.8080809@acm.org> <457F67F1.3080009@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Abhay, I agree with the analysis on Acee and Russ on the draft. I have myself not read the draft yet though. On another front I must state that Acee has been trying to help and promote new people in the working group and I have seen that happen explicitly in some cases and would want to vouch for that. Thanks, Vishwas On 12/12/06, Acee Lindem wrote: > Abhay, > > Abhay D.S wrote: > > hi acee, > > Not very positive and encouraging, being on a WG chair. > I clearly stated I was speaking a WG member and have just > as much right as anyone else to state my opinion as to whether or > not a specific piece of work is accepted by the WG. If you have > technical comments related to the draft as opposed to critiques of > character, I'd encourage you to share them. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > It reminds me of folks at the ATM forum in the past !! > > Thanks, > > Abhay > > > > > > > > Acee Lindem wrote: > >> Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: > >> > >> My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft > >> are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its > >> update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. > >> One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol > >> already support configuration of host routes as described in appendix > >> C.7. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Acee > >> > >> Acee Lindem wrote: > >>> Speaking as WG Chair: > >>> > >>> I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let the > >>> authors > >>> know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Acee > >>> > >>> Yue Wang wrote: > >>>> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), > >>>> a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which > >>>> we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And > >>>> the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> OSPF mailing list > >>> OSPF@ietf.org > >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OSPF mailing list > >> OSPF@ietf.org > >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 22:28:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuKmk-0005xB-U7; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:27:58 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuKmi-0005wt-S1 for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:27:57 -0500 Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.53]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuKmg-0008CE-RJ for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:27:56 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA700GSD09DRZ@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:27:13 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA7002PT09CO2@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:27:13 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JA700KLJ09A06@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:27:12 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:27:10 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 In-reply-to: <77ead0ec0612121854m22dde646s9926ceae66b936c0@mail.gmail.com> To: Vishwas Manral Message-id: <457F730E.2000304@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JqBizuUwst9iB11ydykkPA)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> <457F631C.8080809@acm.org> <457F67F1.3080009@cisco.com> <77ead0ec0612121854m22dde646s9926ceae66b936c0@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bc102ac530ba955ef81f1f75b8bebe44 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@acm.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_JqBizuUwst9iB11ydykkPA) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_960EaZLZNRV2SySPe7KeVQ)" --Boundary_(ID_960EaZLZNRV2SySPe7KeVQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hi vishwas, I dont disagree fully either, however the new anycast specification is the first step in OSPF where _non-vendor groups_ have demonstrated excellence.Moreover it is a NSF science grant experiment. Good to have this on OSPF discussion group to help them out.(To ppl who are interested). The authors never "pressed" that it should replace the current specifications. Thats all.. Thanks, Abhay Vishwas Manral wrote: > Hi Abhay, > > I agree with the analysis on Acee and Russ on the draft. I have myself > not read the draft yet though. > > On another front I must state that Acee has been trying to help and > promote new people in the working group and I have seen that happen > explicitly in some cases and would want to vouch for that. > > Thanks, > Vishwas > > On 12/12/06, Acee Lindem wrote: >> Abhay, >> >> Abhay D.S wrote: >> > hi acee, >> > Not very positive and encouraging, being on a WG chair. >> I clearly stated I was speaking a WG member and have just >> as much right as anyone else to state my opinion as to whether or >> not a specific piece of work is accepted by the WG. If you have >> technical comments related to the draft as opposed to critiques of >> character, I'd encourage you to share them. >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> > It reminds me of folks at the ATM forum in the past !! >> > Thanks, >> > Abhay >> > >> > >> > >> > Acee Lindem wrote: >> >> Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: >> >> >> >> My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft >> >> are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its >> >> update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. >> >> One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol >> >> already support configuration of host routes as described in appendix >> >> C.7. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Acee >> >> >> >> Acee Lindem wrote: >> >>> Speaking as WG Chair: >> >>> >> >>> I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let the >> >>> authors >> >>> know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Acee >> >>> >> >>> Yue Wang wrote: >> >>>> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), >> >>>> a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which >> >>>> we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And >> >>>> the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. >> >>>> >> >>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> OSPF mailing list >> >>> OSPF@ietf.org >> >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> OSPF mailing list >> >> OSPF@ietf.org >> >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSPF mailing list >> OSPF@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> > > --Boundary_(ID_960EaZLZNRV2SySPe7KeVQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT     hi vishwas,
I dont disagree fully either, however the new anycast specification is the first step
in OSPF where non-vendor groups have demonstrated excellence.Moreover
it is a NSF science grant experiment. Good to have this on OSPF discussion group
to help them out.(To ppl who are interested).

The authors never "pressed" that it should replace the current specifications.

Thats all..
Thanks,
Abhay


Vishwas Manral wrote:
Hi Abhay,

I agree with the analysis on Acee and Russ on the draft. I have myself
not read the draft yet though.

On another front I must state that Acee has been trying to help and
promote new people in the working group and I have seen that happen
explicitly in some cases and would want to vouch for that.

Thanks,
Vishwas

On 12/12/06, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com> wrote:
Abhay,

Abhay D.S wrote:
> hi acee,
> Not very positive and encouraging, being on a WG chair.
I clearly stated I was speaking a WG member and have just
as much right as anyone else to state my opinion as to whether or
not a specific piece of work is accepted by the WG. If you have
technical comments related to the draft as opposed to critiques of
character, I'd encourage you to share them.

Thanks,
Acee

> It reminds me of  folks at the ATM forum in the past !!
> Thanks,
> Abhay
>
>
>
> Acee Lindem wrote:
>> Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin:
>>
>> My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft
>> are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its
>> update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes.
>> One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol
>> already support configuration of host routes as described in appendix
>> C.7.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>>
>> Acee Lindem wrote:
>>> Speaking as WG Chair:
>>>
>>> I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let the
>>> authors
>>> know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Acee
>>>
>>> Yue Wang wrote:
>>>> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3),
>>>>   a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which
>>>>   we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And
>>>>   the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> OSPF@ietf.org
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>> OSPF@ietf.org
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--Boundary_(ID_960EaZLZNRV2SySPe7KeVQ)-- --Boundary_(ID_JqBizuUwst9iB11ydykkPA) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name=abhayds.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=abhayds.vcf begin:vcard fn:Abhay Rao n:Rao;Abhay email;internet:abhayds@acm.org version:2.1 end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_JqBizuUwst9iB11ydykkPA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Boundary_(ID_JqBizuUwst9iB11ydykkPA)-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 12 22:29:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuKoV-0006sW-JM; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:29:47 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuKlM-0005jo-Ef for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:26:32 -0500 Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.53]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuKh1-0006QZ-H1 for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:22:23 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA60034DZSKH4@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:17:08 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA6002DWZSJO2@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:17:08 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JA600KVLZSG06@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:17:07 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:17:03 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 In-reply-to: <457F67F1.3080009@cisco.com> To: Acee Lindem Message-id: <457F70AF.2080903@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WI16yCSnHwEarGFOw4csdA)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> <457F631C.8080809@acm.org> <457F67F1.3080009@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@acm.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_WI16yCSnHwEarGFOw4csdA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hi acee, With due respect to your disposition, the Anycast draft is a NSF grant project and it makes a good implementation, as good as OSPFv3 anycast capability. The authors are definitely, trying out to reach people with other perspectives which is probably different from ours. Hope you take positive criticism positively. Period. Thanks, Abhay Acee Lindem wrote: > Abhay, > > Abhay D.S wrote: >> hi acee, >> Not very positive and encouraging, being on a WG chair. > I clearly stated I was speaking a WG member and have just > as much right as anyone else to state my opinion as to whether or > not a specific piece of work is accepted by the WG. If you have > technical comments related to the draft as opposed to critiques of > character, I'd encourage you to share them. > > Thanks, > Acee > >> It reminds me of folks at the ATM forum in the past !! >> Thanks, >> Abhay >> >> >> >> Acee Lindem wrote: >>> Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: >>> >>> My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft >>> are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its >>> update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. >>> One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol >>> already support configuration of host routes as described in appendix >>> C.7. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>> >>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>> Speaking as WG Chair: >>>> >>>> I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let >>>> the authors >>>> know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Acee >>>> >>>> Yue Wang wrote: >>>>> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), >>>>> a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which >>>>> we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And >>>>> the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSPF mailing list >>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSPF mailing list >>> OSPF@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > --Boundary_(ID_WI16yCSnHwEarGFOw4csdA) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name=abhayds.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=abhayds.vcf begin:vcard fn:Abhay Rao n:Rao;Abhay email;internet:abhayds@acm.org version:2.1 end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_WI16yCSnHwEarGFOw4csdA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Boundary_(ID_WI16yCSnHwEarGFOw4csdA)-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 13 05:52:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuRhx-0004Kg-De; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:51:29 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuRhv-0004KN-Ci for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:51:27 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuRhu-0001Ms-2W for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:51:27 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2006 02:51:25 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,163,1165219200"; d="scan'208"; a="48494304:sNHT50554120" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBDApPco004333; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:51:25 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBDApPDM024662; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:51:25 -0500 Received: from [10.82.208.75] ([10.82.208.75]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:51:25 -0500 Message-ID: <457FDB2C.6030800@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:51:24 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: abhayds@acm.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> <457F631C.8080809@acm.org> <457F67F1.3080009@cisco.com> <457F70AF.2080903@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <457F70AF.2080903@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 10:51:25.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[A26275E0:01C71EA4] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2914; t=1166007085; x=1166871085; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=20OSPFv3=20draft-wa ng-aospf-00 |Sender:=20 |To:=20abhayds@acm.org; bh=aePNjsnmS6gASErmE1VgiUB0keFJ8VO/JfgPAAZRqvA=; b=sFF+qm1EZsxN9fmyO5moj+r55EyJF+QGIJrhyuLknNi+EqBcZKqNcE1p0EHL+vr5SIocWFP9 tZTGbognmDv/WVxJ0sRHZ6zKB3mMp1vgcxKFWAsvrIGbIGulrjvGCLJ9; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Abhay, Abhay D.S wrote: > hi acee, > With due respect to your disposition, the Anycast draft is a NSF grant > project > and it makes a good implementation, as good as OSPFv3 anycast capability. On what technical grounds do you based this statement? I don't see any reason to handle anycast addresses any differently from any other /128 prefix. > The authors are definitely, trying out to reach people with other > perspectives which is > probably different from ours. > Hope you take positive criticism positively. Well that doesn't change the fact that protocol extensions are not automatically accepted by the OSPF WG. Acee > Period. > Thanks, > Abhay > > > > > Acee Lindem wrote: >> Abhay, >> >> Abhay D.S wrote: >>> hi acee, >>> Not very positive and encouraging, being on a WG chair. >> I clearly stated I was speaking a WG member and have just >> as much right as anyone else to state my opinion as to whether or >> not a specific piece of work is accepted by the WG. If you have >> technical comments related to the draft as opposed to critiques of >> character, I'd encourage you to share them. >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >>> It reminds me of folks at the ATM forum in the past !! >>> Thanks, >>> Abhay >>> >>> >>> >>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>> Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: >>>> >>>> My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft >>>> are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its >>>> update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. >>>> One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol >>>> already support configuration of host routes as described in appendix >>>> C.7. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Acee >>>> >>>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>> Speaking as WG Chair: >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let >>>>> the authors >>>>> know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Acee >>>>> >>>>> Yue Wang wrote: >>>>>> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), >>>>>> a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which >>>>>> we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And >>>>>> the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSPF mailing list >>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSPF mailing list >> OSPF@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 13 06:34:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuSNG-0006y8-JP; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:34:10 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuSNF-0006u7-OA for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:34:09 -0500 Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.53]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuSNE-0003Ko-1Q for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:34:09 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA7005I8MM6FG@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:30:06 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA7006S1MM5ZW@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:30:06 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JA7006B6MM0XK@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:30:05 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:29:59 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 In-reply-to: <457FDB2C.6030800@cisco.com> To: Acee Lindem Message-id: <457FE437.6040209@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oewJO7A0cBfoOFkOxS+s8g)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> <457F631C.8080809@acm.org> <457F67F1.3080009@cisco.com> <457F70AF.2080903@acm.org> <457FDB2C.6030800@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3d7f2f6612d734db849efa86ea692407 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@acm.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_oewJO7A0cBfoOFkOxS+s8g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hi acee, We use OSPF as a TOOL which can be programmed for various styles. For example: I want one version of OSPFv3 version running WG approved stamp on it and inter-operating. However I can have my own versions of OSPF probably with a different version number within my network "only to process anycasting". Probably because anycasting is bursty. Precisely the new AOSPF draft does that and there is nothing wrong with it. Tell me what is wrong in this requirement ? Thanks, Abhay Acee Lindem wrote: > Abhay, > > Abhay D.S wrote: >> hi acee, >> With due respect to your disposition, the Anycast draft is a NSF >> grant project >> and it makes a good implementation, as good as OSPFv3 anycast >> capability. > On what technical grounds do you based this statement? I don't see any > reason > to handle anycast addresses any differently from any other /128 prefix. > >> The authors are definitely, trying out to reach people with other >> perspectives which is >> probably different from ours. >> Hope you take positive criticism positively. > Well that doesn't change the fact that protocol extensions are not > automatically > accepted by the OSPF WG. > > Acee > >> Period. >> Thanks, >> Abhay >> >> >> >> >> Acee Lindem wrote: >>> Abhay, >>> >>> Abhay D.S wrote: >>>> hi acee, >>>> Not very positive and encouraging, being on a WG chair. >>> I clearly stated I was speaking a WG member and have just >>> as much right as anyone else to state my opinion as to whether or >>> not a specific piece of work is accepted by the WG. If you have >>> technical comments related to the draft as opposed to critiques of >>> character, I'd encourage you to share them. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>> >>>> It reminds me of folks at the ATM forum in the past !! >>>> Thanks, >>>> Abhay >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>> Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: >>>>> >>>>> My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft >>>>> are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its >>>>> update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. >>>>> One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol >>>>> already support configuration of host routes as described in appendix >>>>> C.7. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Acee >>>>> >>>>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>>> Speaking as WG Chair: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let >>>>>> the authors >>>>>> know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Acee >>>>>> >>>>>> Yue Wang wrote: >>>>>>> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), >>>>>>> a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which >>>>>>> we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And >>>>>>> the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSPF mailing list >>> OSPF@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>> >>> > > --Boundary_(ID_oewJO7A0cBfoOFkOxS+s8g) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name=abhayds.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=abhayds.vcf begin:vcard fn:Abhay Rao n:Rao;Abhay email;internet:abhayds@acm.org version:2.1 end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_oewJO7A0cBfoOFkOxS+s8g) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Boundary_(ID_oewJO7A0cBfoOFkOxS+s8g)-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 13 09:28:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuV5F-0008Ve-9M; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:27:45 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuV5E-0008VZ-1N for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:27:44 -0500 Received: from mail.turinnetworks.com ([63.197.247.126] helo=milan.turin.turinnetworks.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuV5C-0002zl-Im for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:27:43 -0500 Received: from clavin.turin.turinnetworks.com ([10.1.1.33]) by milan.turin.turinnetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:27:25 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:26:19 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 Thread-Index: Acceqt+ZgIp0CbXwSI2jgCSkEOpXLQAFuZFA From: "Greg Mirsky" To: , "Acee Lindem" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 14:27:25.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF7B6E10:01C71EC2] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7e439b86d3292ef5adf93b694a43a576 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Dear Abhay, I apologize for non-technical post below. If an operator agrees with running someone's proprietary protocol would operator care about IETF's and OSPF WG's seal of approval? But if such seal is required then it's up to the group to decide whther to put it down or not. Would you agree? Any group can use any grant to re-work any existing interoperable implementation to make it "different". And probably it will be fun and educational experience to the group. Should OSPF WG or IETF as whole be involved in such projects? Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Abhay D.S [mailto:abhayds@acm.org]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 3:30 AM To: Acee Lindem Cc: OSPF@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 hi acee, We use OSPF as a TOOL which can be programmed for various styles. For example: I want one version of OSPFv3 version running WG approved stamp on it and inter-operating. However I can have my own versions of OSPF probably with a different=20 version number within my network "only to process anycasting". Probably because anycasting is bursty. Precisely the new AOSPF draft does that and there is nothing wrong with=20 it. Tell me what is wrong in this requirement ? Thanks, Abhay Acee Lindem wrote: > Abhay, > > Abhay D.S wrote: >> hi acee, >> With due respect to your disposition, the Anycast draft is a NSF=20 >> grant project >> and it makes a good implementation, as good as OSPFv3 anycast=20 >> capability. > On what technical grounds do you based this statement? I don't see any > reason > to handle anycast addresses any differently from any other /128 prefix. > >> The authors are definitely, trying out to reach people with other=20 >> perspectives which is >> probably different from ours. >> Hope you take positive criticism positively. > Well that doesn't change the fact that protocol extensions are not=20 > automatically > accepted by the OSPF WG. > > Acee > >> Period. >> Thanks, >> Abhay >> >> >> >> >> Acee Lindem wrote: >>> Abhay, >>> >>> Abhay D.S wrote: >>>> hi acee, >>>> Not very positive and encouraging, being on a WG chair. >>> I clearly stated I was speaking a WG member and have just >>> as much right as anyone else to state my opinion as to whether or >>> not a specific piece of work is accepted by the WG. If you have >>> technical comments related to the draft as opposed to critiques of >>> character, I'd encourage you to share them. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>> >>>> It reminds me of folks at the ATM forum in the past !! >>>> Thanks, >>>> Abhay >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>> Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: >>>>> >>>>> My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft >>>>> are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its >>>>> update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. >>>>> One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol >>>>> already support configuration of host routes as described in appendix >>>>> C.7. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Acee >>>>> >>>>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>>> Speaking as WG Chair: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let=20 >>>>>> the authors >>>>>> know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Acee >>>>>> >>>>>> Yue Wang wrote: >>>>>>> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), >>>>>>> a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, which >>>>>>> we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. And >>>>>>> the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSPF mailing list >>> OSPF@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 13 12:20:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuXkv-0003EB-9K; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuXku-0003E3-E2 for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:56 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuXks-0006lE-W7 for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:56 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2006 09:18:55 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,164,1165219200"; d="scan'208"; a="48529836:sNHT53612396" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBDHIs9r005126; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:54 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBDHIsDM006961; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:54 -0500 Received: from [10.82.208.75] ([10.82.208.75]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:53 -0500 Message-ID: <458035FC.7060706@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:18:52 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Mirsky Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2006 17:18:53.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[C38D7540:01C71EDA] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=5364; t=1166030334; x=1166894334; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=20OSPFv3=20draft-wa ng-aospf-00 |Sender:=20 |To:=20Greg=20Mirsky=20; bh=83Akc8tVS2pBLBTssDHpoC6mefSf2dPixvxqFa0Vurk=; b=AySduwQd0yXNVM3oZMH0BXHO96FfgC56nMItKLWDwi4tgf6iUYl0x0whjb7OgWxlpKNmjVhP Nog7Ydvo7YR8BKAqU3UHkTt8LZn3KHloTCIGK0Q7VjQyJ0HG3/S+eSUs; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 311e798ce51dbeacf5cdfcc8e9fda21b Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Greg, Greg Mirsky wrote: > Dear Abhay, > I apologize for non-technical post below. > If an operator agrees with running someone's proprietary protocol would > operator care about IETF's and OSPF WG's seal of approval? But if such > seal is required then it's up to the group to decide whther to put it > down or not. Would you agree? > Any group can use any grant to re-work any existing interoperable > implementation to make it "different". And probably it will be fun and > educational experience to the group. Should OSPF WG or IETF as whole be > involved in such projects? > Dependent on WG bandwidth, we could allow extensions to be documented as experimental RFCs (let's ignore the statement about a separate version number below :^). However, the WG would still need to agree the to accept the draft as a viable solution to an accepted problem. In this case, my opinion is that this draft shouldn't be accepted by the WG. Thanks, Acee > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Abhay D.S [mailto:abhayds@acm.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 3:30 AM > To: Acee Lindem > Cc: OSPF@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 > > hi acee, > > We use OSPF as a TOOL which can be programmed for various styles. > > For example: > > I want one version of OSPFv3 version running WG approved stamp on it and > > inter-operating. > > However I can have my own versions of OSPF probably with a different > version number within > my network "only to process anycasting". Probably because anycasting is > > bursty. > > Precisely the new AOSPF draft does that and there is nothing wrong with > it. Tell me what is > > wrong in this requirement ? > > Thanks, > Abhay > > > > > > > > > > > Acee Lindem wrote: > >> Abhay, >> >> Abhay D.S wrote: >> >>> hi acee, >>> With due respect to your disposition, the Anycast draft is a NSF >>> grant project >>> and it makes a good implementation, as good as OSPFv3 anycast >>> capability. >>> >> On what technical grounds do you based this statement? I don't see any >> > > >> reason >> to handle anycast addresses any differently from any other /128 >> > prefix. > >>> The authors are definitely, trying out to reach people with other >>> perspectives which is >>> probably different from ours. >>> Hope you take positive criticism positively. >>> >> Well that doesn't change the fact that protocol extensions are not >> automatically >> accepted by the OSPF WG. >> >> Acee >> >> >>> Period. >>> Thanks, >>> Abhay >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>> >>>> Abhay, >>>> >>>> Abhay D.S wrote: >>>> >>>>> hi acee, >>>>> Not very positive and encouraging, being on a WG chair. >>>>> >>>> I clearly stated I was speaking a WG member and have just >>>> as much right as anyone else to state my opinion as to whether or >>>> not a specific piece of work is accepted by the WG. If you have >>>> technical comments related to the draft as opposed to critiques of >>>> character, I'd encourage you to share them. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Acee >>>> >>>> >>>>> It reminds me of folks at the ATM forum in the past !! >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Abhay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: >>>>>> >>>>>> My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft >>>>>> are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its >>>>>> update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. >>>>>> One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol >>>>>> already support configuration of host routes as described in >>>>>> > appendix > >>>>>> C.7. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Acee >>>>>> >>>>>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Speaking as WG Chair: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can let >>>>>>> the authors >>>>>>> know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Acee >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yue Wang wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), >>>>>>>> a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, >>>>>>>> > which > >>>>>>>> we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. >>>>>>>> > And > >>>>>>>> the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSPF mailing list >>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 13 12:45:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuYAF-0004wt-Kw; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:45:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuYAD-0004u0-OS for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:45:05 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuYAC-0002mv-GP for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:45:05 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2006 09:45:05 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,164,1165219200"; d="scan'208"; a="48532157:sNHT43659308" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBDHj4s1011668; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:45:04 -0500 Received: from [64.101.175.146] ([64.101.175.146]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBDHj3YJ004935; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:45:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <45803C1F.5060805@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:45:03 -0500 From: Russ White User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: abhayds@acm.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> <457F631C.8080809@acm.org> <457F67F1.3080009@cisco.com> <457F70AF.2080903@acm.org> <457FDB2C.6030800@cisco.com> <457FE437.6040209@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <457FE437.6040209@acm.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1288; t=1166031904; x=1166895904; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=riw@cisco.com; z=From:=20Russ=20White=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=20OSPFv3=20draft-wa ng-aospf-00 |Sender:=20 |To:=20abhayds@acm.org; bh=KRPsaRwec1mdg8WcU/A3r79VF1aKnTX2CyVTkC1Biuk=; b=CKWImYpf/LiHY39PcC1HeBJlJK6sgpUw7C9cDSXMCDxQY3q65Z5VmUCHv36ssopbYagXsTdN yHbOsxrnoufeROL5BmiCeqClCcRyZeOPNl8n6TxJiQBwN/gPf6AVGTOT; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=riw@cisco.com; dkim=pass (si g from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > However I can have my own versions of OSPF probably with a different > version number within > my network "only to process anycasting". Probably because anycasting is > bursty. Is anycast traffic bursty, or are the anycast routing updates bursty? If the traffic, then OSPF doesn't really care, I don't think (?). If the updates, then we could segregate the anycast updates into a separate topology, perhaps, so we don't have to go so far as to have multiple processes. If multiple processes is the answer required, then why not approach the problem from the perspective of "how do I get multiple process to work across a single link," rather than specifically referring to anycast. Generalizing the problem would be better, since a single solution might fit more problems than just anycast.... Anyway, as it's written, I stand by my statement that this draft doesn't fit, now. Perhaps if we break the problem down more, we can come up with something that will fit. :-) Russ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFgDwfER27sUhU9OQRAsdvAKDuRwIxdaBTA0indJpxq/LwIAVpzQCeNBaO W36cLvolRhEuZTI3Aymt0Qk= =flR/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 13 21:19:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GugBM-0000me-Cz; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:18:48 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GugBL-0000mM-0f for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:18:47 -0500 Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GugBG-0006Tn-Fm for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:18:46 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA800CI6RJ0FH@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:13:48 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA8008QHRIY9Z@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:13:47 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JA80013RRITNW@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:13:46 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:13:41 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 In-reply-to: <458035FC.7060706@cisco.com> To: Acee Lindem Message-id: <4580B355.6050702@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mDs/mMcH2ACsYaqo6HNd1w)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: <458035FC.7060706@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8068004c042dabd7f1301bcc80e039df Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@acm.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_mDs/mMcH2ACsYaqo6HNd1w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT dear all, To conclude the discussion on this: With due respect to your area of focus,values and limitations in WG. I am sure you might have come across proprietary versions of OSPF are still used in some big commercial networks, with a separate version numbers. Some OSPF versions were extended to an extent that they could exchange MPLS or Layer 2 labels !! See, it is only about "Vision", and this vision is shared by people outside WG and I think WG is good but it is still NOT the best. Acee: It is appreciated if WG could accept all valid variations OSPF specs as experimental and bubble it up slowly to standardization. Thanks, Abhay Acee Lindem wrote: > Hi Greg, > Greg Mirsky wrote: >> Dear Abhay, >> I apologize for non-technical post below. >> If an operator agrees with running someone's proprietary protocol would >> operator care about IETF's and OSPF WG's seal of approval? But if such >> seal is required then it's up to the group to decide whther to put it >> down or not. Would you agree? >> Any group can use any grant to re-work any existing interoperable >> implementation to make it "different". And probably it will be fun and >> educational experience to the group. Should OSPF WG or IETF as whole be >> involved in such projects? >> > Dependent on WG bandwidth, we could allow extensions to be documented as > experimental RFCs (let's ignore the statement about a separate version > number below :^). > However, the WG would still need to agree the to accept the draft as a > viable > solution to an accepted problem. In this case, my opinion is that this > draft shouldn't > be accepted by the WG. > > Thanks, > Acee > >> Regards, >> Greg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Abhay D.S [mailto:abhayds@acm.org] Sent: Wednesday, December >> 13, 2006 3:30 AM >> To: Acee Lindem >> Cc: OSPF@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 >> >> hi acee, >> >> We use OSPF as a TOOL which can be programmed for various styles. >> >> For example: >> >> I want one version of OSPFv3 version running WG approved stamp on it and >> >> inter-operating. >> >> However I can have my own versions of OSPF probably with a different >> version number within >> my network "only to process anycasting". Probably because anycasting is >> >> bursty. >> >> Precisely the new AOSPF draft does that and there is nothing wrong >> with it. Tell me what is >> >> wrong in this requirement ? >> >> Thanks, >> Abhay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Acee Lindem wrote: >> >>> Abhay, >>> >>> Abhay D.S wrote: >>> >>>> hi acee, >>>> With due respect to your disposition, the Anycast draft is a NSF >>>> grant project >>>> and it makes a good implementation, as good as OSPFv3 anycast >>>> capability. >>>> >>> On what technical grounds do you based this statement? I don't see any >>> >> >> >>> reason >>> to handle anycast addresses any differently from any other /128 >>> >> prefix. >> >>>> The authors are definitely, trying out to reach people with other >>>> perspectives which is >>>> probably different from ours. >>>> Hope you take positive criticism positively. >>>> >>> Well that doesn't change the fact that protocol extensions are not >>> automatically >>> accepted by the OSPF WG. >>> >>> Acee >>> >>> >>>> Period. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Abhay >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>> >>>>> Abhay, >>>>> >>>>> Abhay D.S wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hi acee, >>>>>> Not very positive and encouraging, being on a WG chair. >>>>>> >>>>> I clearly stated I was speaking a WG member and have just >>>>> as much right as anyone else to state my opinion as to whether or >>>>> not a specific piece of work is accepted by the WG. If you have >>>>> technical comments related to the draft as opposed to critiques of >>>>> character, I'd encourage you to share them. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Acee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It reminds me of folks at the ATM forum in the past !! >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Abhay >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Speaking as a WG Member and author of the RFC 2740 respin: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My opinion is that the protocol extensions described in the draft >>>>>>> are completely unnecessary and the OSPFv3 (RFC 2740 and its >>>>>>> update) already can support anycast addresses as /128 prefixes. >>>>>>> One simply uses the lowest cost path. Note that the protocol >>>>>>> already support configuration of host routes as described in >>>>>>> >> appendix >> >>>>>>> C.7. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Acee >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Speaking as WG Chair: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd like to initiate discussion on this draft so that we can >>>>>>>> let the authors >>>>>>>> know whether the WG wants to presue it furthers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Acee >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yue Wang wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This document describes AOSPF (Anycast Extensions to OSPFv3), >>>>>>>>> a routing protocol which extends OSPFv3 to support anycast, >>>>>>>>> >> which >> >>>>>>>>> we implemented and tested successfully in our IPv6 test bed. >>>>>>>>> >> And >> >>>>>>>>> the performance analysis shows the overhead of AOSPF is low. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-aospf-00.txt >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > --Boundary_(ID_mDs/mMcH2ACsYaqo6HNd1w) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name=abhayds.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=abhayds.vcf begin:vcard fn:Abhay Rao n:Rao;Abhay email;internet:abhayds@acm.org version:2.1 end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_mDs/mMcH2ACsYaqo6HNd1w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Boundary_(ID_mDs/mMcH2ACsYaqo6HNd1w)-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 13 21:28:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GugKo-0004UY-7g; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:28:34 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GugKn-0004UT-8z for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:28:33 -0500 Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.53]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GugKl-0008Gh-93 for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:28:33 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA8002Q0S3PBE@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:26:13 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JA800IW6S3O51@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:26:13 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JA8001QSS3NNW@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:26:12 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:26:10 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 In-reply-to: <45803C1F.5060805@cisco.com> To: Russ White Message-id: <4580B642.4050202@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_PCWGE4gn/3hWHQuqs/6OzQ)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: <22b5a47b0612010106i477c1814p982523d5bacd4698@mail.gmail.com> <457F2DE4.7060009@cisco.com> <457F300E.6030009@cisco.com> <457F631C.8080809@acm.org> <457F67F1.3080009@cisco.com> <457F70AF.2080903@acm.org> <457FDB2C.6030800@cisco.com> <457FE437.6040209@acm.org> <45803C1F.5060805@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 48472a944c87678fcfe8db15ffecdfff Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@acm.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_PCWGE4gn/3hWHQuqs/6OzQ) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TjP4trvby7YC1OwQfVLANw)" --Boundary_(ID_TjP4trvby7YC1OwQfVLANw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hi Russ, No draft fits perfect, hence the WG existence. Generalizing has more general problems to solve. Limiting the scope of operation of important but insignificant anycast processing narrows down possible issues.(Actually none as of now) To be exact all WG members acceptance and rejection criteria should rise above all the ignorance. As you rightly said, perphaps break the problem down more, if WG has different agenda, it might allow others to break problem down more and accept solutions. Thanks and Regards, Abhay Russ White wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > >> However I can have my own versions of OSPF probably with a different >> version number within >> my network "only to process anycasting". Probably because anycasting is >> bursty. >> > > Is anycast traffic bursty, or are the anycast routing updates bursty? If > the traffic, then OSPF doesn't really care, I don't think (?). If the > updates, then we could segregate the anycast updates into a separate > topology, perhaps, so we don't have to go so far as to have multiple > processes. > > If multiple processes is the answer required, then why not approach the > problem from the perspective of "how do I get multiple process to work > across a single link," rather than specifically referring to anycast. > Generalizing the problem would be better, since a single solution might > fit more problems than just anycast.... > > Anyway, as it's written, I stand by my statement that this draft doesn't > fit, now. Perhaps if we break the problem down more, we can come up with > something that will fit. > > :-) > > Russ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFgDwfER27sUhU9OQRAsdvAKDuRwIxdaBTA0indJpxq/LwIAVpzQCeNBaO > W36cLvolRhEuZTI3Aymt0Qk= > =flR/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > > --Boundary_(ID_TjP4trvby7YC1OwQfVLANw) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hi Russ,
No draft fits perfect, hence the WG existence.

Generalizing has more general problems to solve.

Limiting the scope of operation of important but insignificant anycast processing
narrows down possible issues.(Actually none as of now)

To be exact all WG members acceptance and rejection criteria should rise above
all the ignorance.

As you rightly said, perphaps break the problem down more, if WG has different agenda,
it might allow others to break problem down more and accept solutions.

Thanks and Regards,
Abhay

Russ White wrote: 
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However I can have my own versions of OSPF probably with a different
version number within
my network  "only to process anycasting". Probably because anycasting is
bursty.
    

Is anycast traffic bursty, or are the anycast routing updates bursty? If
the traffic, then OSPF doesn't really care, I don't think (?). If the
updates, then we could segregate the anycast updates into a separate
topology, perhaps, so we don't have to go so far as to have multiple
processes.

If multiple processes is the answer required, then why not approach the
problem from the perspective of "how do I get multiple process to work
across a single link," rather than specifically referring to anycast.
Generalizing the problem would be better, since a single solution might
fit more problems than just anycast....

Anyway, as it's written, I stand by my statement that this draft doesn't
fit, now. Perhaps if we break the problem down more, we can come up with
something that will fit.

:-)

Russ

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IMO it should not be adopted as a WG item. 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<4581A401.5020305@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:20:33 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OSPF@ietf.org References: <200612140427.kBE4RfSL031657@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> In-Reply-To: <200612140427.kBE4RfSL031657@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2006 19:20:34.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED6545C0:01C71FB4] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1896; t=1166124034; x=1166988034; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=20OSPFv3=20draft-wang-aospf-00=20-=2 0Technical=20Considerations=0A=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20OSPF@ietf.org; bh=ESi7xNtRIda7bOqGB8ElpWoRryNhyO/heE33fE53JJ8=; b=dnMiB80l976CwSfbAaudZrSj+TNdImQWPFCRD4KjkczJWPNMVEY3YN0qwe3DTq9zwXdT7iGi KmQPfPTYAMO1oTTnlYhmIIUep0kPcVDy8txe8a86WYYUQ0ddExi+ECyL; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: Subject: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 - Technical Considerations X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org We've had a lot of discussion on the openness of the WG to new proposals. I'd like to now focus specifically on the technical aspects of this draft and as to why I don't think it necessary or should become a WG document. Section 3.2 - I see this prefix checking not only as unnecessary but also contrary to the OSPFv3 design point that it runs a link as opposed to a subnet. Furthermore, I'd expect anycast services to be accessible via /128 loopbacks on servers rather than an address bounded by a specific IPv6 prefix. Section 3.3 - This can be done for /128 unicast addresses with overlapping ranges (which is part of the base OSPFv3). Section 3.4 - An implementation can advertise or withdraw a /128 unicast prefix when the anycast addresss is learned or found to be unreachable. Section 3.5 - One can use the shortest path to a /128 unicast prefix just as well without any changes to OSPFv3. - The backup route handling in 3.5.1 is only needed if one can't do an SPF (or incremental SPF) fast enough. In any case, this requirement isn't specific to anycast addresses and we should not come up with a partial solution just for anycast addresses This section certainly doesn't cover all the cases but rather than go there I'd direct you to the work on IPFRR being done in the RTG WG. - If I read Section 3.5 correctly, it implies that the OSPF precedence should be ignored and the closest route should be preferred for anycast irrespective of type. I find changing this age-old OSPF design point for a particular type of prefix egregious.. If you want this behavior within an OSPF domain, simply advertise all your anycast addresses as Type 1 AS external /128 prefixes and you're done. Thanks, Acee > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 14 15:31:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuxEK-0000RN-HF; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:31:00 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuxEJ-0000RI-EW for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:30:59 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GuxEG-0006fJ-5a for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:30:59 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2006 15:30:56 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,170,1165208400"; d="scan'208"; a="109525973:sNHT45107588" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBEKUt0B004638; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:30:55 -0500 Received: from [64.101.175.146] ([64.101.175.146]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBEKUt0j027745; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:30:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4581B47E.3090807@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:30:54 -0500 From: Russ White User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 - Technical Considerations References: <200612140427.kBE4RfSL031657@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> <4581A401.5020305@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4581A401.5020305@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1717; t=1166128255; x=1166992255; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=riw@cisco.com; z=From:=20Russ=20White=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=20OSPFv3=20draft-wa ng-aospf-00=20-=20Technical=0A=20Considerations |Sender:=20 |To:=20Acee=20Lindem=20; bh=FEgu00JpqKVMU7Qozm8A0N3O7S7AnnV2VhXK7zd06ns=; b=OSx+oKpcyWYfQG8NprIFRmB4NGZYjlhSVPCHZ5TYAyHp8p0Fd8v30XXVOV0PoY3+WKb5pwpg B+ofUANUMjGmRf+NJ1INxFx2d2f3Gv3RHDy3JurpA8B/kqh/E9W9bkZR; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=riw@cisco.com; dkim=pass (si g from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > - The backup route handling in 3.5.1 is only needed if one can't do > an SPF (or incremental SPF) fast enough. In any case, this > requirement > isn't specific to anycast addresses and we should not come up with a > partial solution just for anycast addresses This section > certainly doesn't > cover all the cases but rather than go there I'd direct you to > the work > on IPFRR being done in the RTG WG. Or if you can't hold two leaves, with the second being a backup for immediate install in the routing table. In short there are a ton of options here, we don't need to prescribe one in a draft. > - If I read Section 3.5 correctly, it implies that the OSPF > precedence should > be ignored and the closest route should be preferred for anycast > irrespective > of type. I find changing this age-old OSPF design point for a > particular type > of prefix egregious.. If you want this behavior within an OSPF > domain, simply > advertise all your anycast addresses as Type 1 AS external /128 > prefixes and > you're done. In fact, this is worse than "why should we change this." Changing this can actually result in routing loops, if not all the routers in the area are preferring routes based in this way. You'd have to present some fairly strong advantages to be convincing about changes in route preference. :-) Russ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFgbR+ER27sUhU9OQRAs4UAKDpehb66gGtnWeXN63IrBUsz1cLlwCfRzBt 4w4QE4LO6+Du4Wueaivnb9U= =k8m2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 14 22:17:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gv3YR-00087y-9m; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:16:11 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gv3YQ-00087s-6z for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:16:10 -0500 Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gv3YN-0003oH-RY for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:16:10 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JAA00151OV9BS@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:11:33 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JAA009E8OV8X0@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:11:33 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JAA0085COUU8U@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:11:32 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:11:17 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 - Technical Considerations In-reply-to: <4581A401.5020305@cisco.com> To: Acee Lindem Message-id: <45821255.9080907@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_evn8bdNXMANrM+gGLXbxRQ)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: <200612140427.kBE4RfSL031657@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> <4581A401.5020305@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@acm.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_evn8bdNXMANrM+gGLXbxRQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hi acee, Acee Lindem wrote: > We've had a lot of discussion on the openness of the WG to new > proposals. I'd like to now focus specifically on the technical > aspects of this draft and as to why I don't think it necessary or > should become a WG document. > > Section 3.2 - I see this prefix checking not only as unnecessary but > also contrary to the OSPFv3 design point that it runs a link as opposed > to a subnet. Furthermore, I'd expect anycast services to be accessible > via /128 loopbacks on servers rather than an address bounded by > a specific IPv6 prefix. I would read it as a hierarchy within OSPFv3 for anycasting. > > Section 3.3 - This can be done for /128 unicast addresses with > overlapping > ranges (which is part of the base OSPFv3). > How about only anycast aggregation option ?. > Section 3.4 - An implementation can advertise or withdraw a /128 > unicast > prefix when the anycast addresss is learned or found to be unreachable. > If it were aggregated then the aggegrate still might exist !. > Section 3.5 - One can use the shortest path to a /128 unicast prefix > just > as well without any changes to OSPFv3. > > - The backup route handling in 3.5.1 is only needed if one can't do > an SPF (or incremental SPF) fast enough. In any case, this > requirement > isn't specific to anycast addresses and we should not come up > with a > partial solution just for anycast addresses This section > certainly doesn't > cover all the cases but rather than go there I'd direct you to > the work > on IPFRR being done in the RTG WG. > They want to do it in a different way, since look at SPF tree from far. Actually the SPF tree has not changed here. Only the address has been changed. It means holding a route cache for upto 5 next hops and immediately choose another instead of re-doing calculation. > - If I read Section 3.5 correctly, it implies that the OSPF > precedence should > be ignored and the closest route should be preferred for anycast > irrespective > of type. I find changing this age-old OSPF design point for a > particular type > of prefix egregious.. If you want this behavior within an OSPF > domain, simply > advertise all your anycast addresses as Type 1 AS external /128 > prefixes and > you're done. > > Thanks, > Acee > >> > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > --Boundary_(ID_evn8bdNXMANrM+gGLXbxRQ) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name=abhayds.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=abhayds.vcf begin:vcard fn:Abhay Rao n:Rao;Abhay email;internet:abhayds@acm.org version:2.1 end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_evn8bdNXMANrM+gGLXbxRQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Boundary_(ID_evn8bdNXMANrM+gGLXbxRQ)-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 14 22:47:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gv42D-0004Mi-A3; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:46:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gv42B-0004Kr-7Q for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:46:55 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gv429-00081X-Td for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:46:55 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2006 19:46:54 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,171,1165219200"; d="scan'208"; a="48670062:sNHT49269044" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBF3krYG015185; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:46:53 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBF3kpOd017949; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:46:51 -0500 Received: from [10.82.208.75] ([10.82.208.75]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:46:50 -0500 Message-ID: <45821AAA.5040308@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:46:50 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: abhayds@acm.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 draft-wang-aospf-00 - Technical Considerations References: <200612140427.kBE4RfSL031657@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> <4581A401.5020305@cisco.com> <45821255.9080907@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <45821255.9080907@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2006 03:46:51.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[A77789F0:01C71FFB] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3056; t=1166154413; x=1167018413; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=20OSPFv3=20draft-wa ng-aospf-00=20-=20Technical=0A=20Considerations |Sender:=20 |To:=20abhayds@acm.org; bh=diRw9XyKq3I57GYMlpzYatFslKjnen3zSuXM5wpVPtg=; b=EPpW2XeUDzr7wqBri+hngJ4OPMJp5eBBMAHb1il//akAbSn5LArBk02hp/1FV1qhWiFs9XoG lLtojbRgYJNYfXroF939Nnq4GQhbYgwQOQ53R6hwfQ31Mp3vTLMZNWXR; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Abhay, Abhay D.S wrote: > hi acee, > > Acee Lindem wrote: >> We've had a lot of discussion on the openness of the WG to new >> proposals. I'd like to now focus specifically on the technical >> aspects of this draft and as to why I don't think it necessary or >> should become a WG document. >> >> Section 3.2 - I see this prefix checking not only as unnecessary but >> also contrary to the OSPFv3 design point that it runs a link as >> opposed >> to a subnet. Furthermore, I'd expect anycast services to be accessible >> via /128 loopbacks on servers rather than an address bounded by >> a specific IPv6 prefix. > I would read it as a hierarchy within OSPFv3 for anycasting. I'd like to hear from the authors what value this adds. >> >> Section 3.3 - This can be done for /128 unicast addresses with >> overlapping >> ranges (which is part of the base OSPFv3). >> > How about only anycast aggregation option ?. If you treat anycast prefixes the same as unicast this is not needed. >> Section 3.4 - An implementation can advertise or withdraw a /128 >> unicast >> prefix when the anycast addresss is learned or found to be >> unreachable. >> > If it were aggregated then the aggegrate still might exist !. Only if there are other prefixes in the range (or a bug :^). > >> Section 3.5 - One can use the shortest path to a /128 unicast >> prefix just >> as well without any changes to OSPFv3. >> >> - The backup route handling in 3.5.1 is only needed if one can't do >> an SPF (or incremental SPF) fast enough. In any case, this >> requirement >> isn't specific to anycast addresses and we should not come up >> with a >> partial solution just for anycast addresses This section >> certainly doesn't >> cover all the cases but rather than go there I'd direct you to >> the work >> on IPFRR being done in the RTG WG. >> > They want to do it in a different way, since look at SPF tree from > far. Actually the SPF > tree has not changed here. Only the address has been changed. It means > holding a route > cache for upto 5 next hops and immediately choose another instead of > re-doing calculation. Aside from not seeing the reason for a limited scope solution, I don't see the need to document the precise implementation. Thanks, Acee >> - If I read Section 3.5 correctly, it implies that the OSPF >> precedence should >> be ignored and the closest route should be preferred for >> anycast irrespective >> of type. I find changing this age-old OSPF design point for a >> particular type >> of prefix egregious.. If you want this behavior within an OSPF >> domain, simply >> advertise all your anycast addresses as Type 1 AS external >> /128 prefixes and >> you're done. >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSPF mailing list >> OSPF@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 15 06:37:02 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvBM9-0006ej-6e; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:36:01 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvBM8-0006dn-44; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:36:00 -0500 Received: from mail1.noc.data.net.uk ([80.68.34.48]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvBM5-0004ok-MC; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:36:00 -0500 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail1.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1GvBMC-0004Oo-00; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:36:04 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.44] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:35:48 +0000 Message-ID: <2e1201c7203d$1e52b860$0a23fea9@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" , References: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:32:48 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2006 11:35:52.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CDD8F40:01C7203D] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f66b12316365a3fe519e75911daf28a8 Cc: ospf@ietf.org, isis-wg@ietf.org Subject: [OSPF] Further short CCAMP WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Sorry, I fumbled this. Jean-Louis made some significant changes after we completed the working group last call. He took on board the comments from CCAMP, ISIS and OSPF and made the changes that he describes below. Since one of these changes is relatively substantial (the conflation of two bit-fields into one) I want to give everyone a chance to comment before we go forward to the ADs. So, there is a one week last call running on the CCAMP mailing list until noon GMT 22nd December 2006. Thanks, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt Hi all, This new version accounts for comments received during the CCAMP ISIS and OSPF WG last call. Here are the main changes: -The data plane and control plane cap sub-TLVs have been removed. The capabilities are now carried directly with the TE Node Capability Descriptor TLV, and there is a single registry for both control and data plane capabilities. -In section 5: "other occurences MUST be discarded" replaced by "other occurrences MUST be ignored" -In section 6: "a router not supporting the TE Node Capability Descriptor TLV MUST just silently ignore the TLV" Replaced by: "a router not supporting the TE Node Capability Descriptor TLV will just silently ignore the TLV" Regards, JL > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] De la part de > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Envoyé : mardi 21 novembre 2006 21:50 > À : i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org > Objet : I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line > Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and > Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : IGP Routing Protocol Extensions for > Discovery of Traffic Engineering Node Capabilities > Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt > Pages : 13 > Date : 2006-11-21 > > It is highly desired in several cases, to take into account Traffic > Engineering (TE) node capabilities during Multi Protocol Label > Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineered > Label Switched Path (TE-LSP) selection, such as for instance the > capability to act as a branch Label Switching Router (LSR) of a > Point-To-MultiPoint (P2MP) LSP. This requires advertising these > capabilities within the Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP). For that > purpose, this document specifies Open Shortest Path First > (OSPF) and > Intermediate System-Intermediate System (IS-IS) traffic > engineering > extensions for the advertisement of control plane and data plane > traffic engineering node capabilities. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 15 13:25:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvHjG-00089J-Ec; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:24:18 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvHjF-00088r-0W; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:24:17 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvHjB-00057T-Ls; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:24:16 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2006 10:24:10 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,176,1165219200"; d="scan'208"; a="91425505:sNHT58310595" Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBFIO9M8008084; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:24:09 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBFIN6AE019137; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmb-sjc-222.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.106]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:22:45 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:22:44 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Isis-wg] Further short CCAMP WG Last Call ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt Thread-Index: AccgPWzrPIsRHcoMQtCTooy9+4T9IAAOAbrQ From: "Les Ginsberg \(ginsberg\)" To: "Adrian Farrel" , "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2006 18:22:45.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[046276A0:01C72076] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=5654; t=1166207049; x=1167071049; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ginsberg@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Les=20Ginsberg=20\(ginsberg\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[Isis-wg]=20Further=20short=20CCAMP=20WG=20Last=20Cal l=20ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt=20 |Sender:=20; bh=CsVM5JMaMLaL4OMPeQFOutZGobk5U7G1u2FkKbxfVDQ=; b=dr4bHj+haOeEwD7DFGV3yEZ8YTtdW1nGMsdbmvjbFqEjf0Cy9qhBtvktQt3GeYIGpCrDgfw9 ItvZe5DfHHZl5M82QPaI0ufCXSXF6aed7YovaccHwcVdFLM9GD5bjoCX; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=ginsberg@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 20f22c03b5c66958bff5ef54fcda6e48 Cc: ospf@ietf.org, isis-wg@ietf.org Subject: [OSPF] RE: [Isis-wg] Further short CCAMP WG Last Call ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org 1)The use of TLV and sub-TLV is not consistent throughout the document = regarding IS-IS. For example, in the second and third paragraphs of = Section 4.2: The IS-IS TE Node Capability Descriptor TLV is carried within an IS- IS CAPABILITY TLV which is defined in [OSPF-CAP]. The format of the IS-IS TE Node Capability sub-TLV is the same as the = TLV format used by the Traffic Engineering Extensions to IS-IS=20 [RFC3784]. That is, the TLV is composed of 1 octet for the type, 1=20 octet specifying the TLV length and a value field. "TLV" should be "sub-TLV" in all cases except when referring to the = IS-IS CAPABILITY TLV. Also [OSPF-CAP] should be [IS-IS-CAP] Similar changes needed in Section 5.2 and some other places. 2)In Section 5.2: The TE Node Capability Descriptor TLV is OPTIONAL and MUST NOT appear = more than once in an ISIS Router Capability TLV. If a TE Node=20 Capability Descriptor TLV appears more than once in an ISIS=20 Capability TLV, only the first occurrence MUST be processed, other=20 occurrences MUST be ignored. I would prefer that the second sentence be omitted - for reasons that = have been discussed in the context of the PCE draft - I have repeated = the relevant comments here: In cases where a TLV may move from one LSP fragment to another (for example because of the addition of information which exceeds the carrying capacity of the original LSP fragment) a router may have multiple copies of the same TLV as a transient condition. It is impossible to know which of the copies is newer and therefore impossible to deterministically decide which is the first instance of a subTLV. So it is better to leave the behavior in this case as undefined. Les > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:33 AM > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; ccamp@ops.ietf.org > Cc: ospf@ietf.org; isis-wg@ietf.org > Subject: [Isis-wg] Further short CCAMP WG Last Call = ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te- > node-cap-03.txt >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Sorry, I fumbled this. >=20 > Jean-Louis made some significant changes after we completed the = working > group last call. He took on board the comments from CCAMP, ISIS and = OSPF > and > made the changes that he describes below. >=20 > Since one of these changes is relatively substantial (the conflation = of > two > bit-fields into one) I want to give everyone a chance to comment = before we > go forward to the ADs. >=20 > So, there is a one week last call running on the CCAMP mailing list = until > noon GMT 22nd December 2006. >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" ftgroup.com> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:25 AM > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt >=20 >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > This new version accounts for comments received during the CCAMP ISIS = and > OSPF WG last call. >=20 > Here are the main changes: >=20 > -The data plane and control plane cap sub-TLVs have been removed. The > capabilities are now carried directly with the TE Node Capability > Descriptor > TLV, and there is a single registry for both control and data plane > capabilities. >=20 > -In section 5: > "other occurences MUST be discarded" replaced by "other occurrences = MUST > be > ignored" >=20 > -In section 6: > "a router not supporting the TE Node Capability Descriptor TLV MUST = just > silently ignore the TLV" > Replaced by: "a router not supporting the TE Node Capability = Descriptor > TLV > will just silently ignore the TLV" >=20 > Regards, >=20 > JL >=20 > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] De la part de > > Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > > Envoy=E9 : mardi 21 novembre 2006 21:50 > > =C0 : i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org > > Objet : I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line > > Internet-Drafts directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and > > Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > > > Title : IGP Routing Protocol Extensions for > > Discovery of Traffic Engineering Node Capabilities > > Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. > > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt > > Pages : 13 > > Date : 2006-11-21 > > > > It is highly desired in several cases, to take into account Traffic > > Engineering (TE) node capabilities during Multi Protocol Label > > Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineered > > Label Switched Path (TE-LSP) selection, such as for instance the > > capability to act as a branch Label Switching Router (LSR) of a > > Point-To-MultiPoint (P2MP) LSP. This requires advertising these > > capabilities within the Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP). For that > > purpose, this document specifies Open Shortest Path First > > (OSPF) and > > Intermediate System-Intermediate System (IS-IS) traffic > > engineering > > extensions for the advertisement of control plane and data plane > > traffic engineering node capabilities. > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-03.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Isis-wg mailing list > Isis-wg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 15 15:07:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvJKQ-0007QJ-Ih; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:06:46 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvJKP-0007OF-6f for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:06:45 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvJKN-0001Ef-UK for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:06:45 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2006 12:06:44 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,176,1165219200"; d="scan'208"; a="48742645:sNHT44528362" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBFK6hpV005038; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:06:43 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBFK6hOd020677; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:06:43 -0500 Received: from [10.82.208.75] ([10.82.208.75]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:06:42 -0500 Message-ID: <45830052.3080507@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:06:42 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fenner Subject: Re: [OSPF] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-13.txt References: <4575EB0F.8040404@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4575EB0F.8040404@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2006 20:06:42.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A2F3530:01C72084] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=831; t=1166213203; x=1167077203; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20I-D=20ACTION=3Adraft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update -13.txt |Sender:=20 |To:=20Bill=20Fenner=20; bh=URZxeAxl4zOEOhmFkDc/RvV2B8kuKbV52eGbVtXGAb0=; b=RVwYIi0a/xe2P98yWmqFiN9lQz7vaP/Ndqpm2wXm/HfiFlteeBonBEXUGtvl5Zk6gazBwTXc qjXu1NZ0WwdJ59SZVxC2d6o1YWyssrBTkE44zGw9lizhp+g/qXb/0M+a; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: Ross Callon , OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Bill, Ross, I believe the OSPF WG is done with document and it is ready for AD evaluation. In the last two revisions, I tried to address comments that we're being made on other draft during the IETF evaluation. Thanks, Acee Acee Lindem wrote: > We did a WG last call on the 11 version of this document back in October. > I've updated it with some comments I received offline as well as > assuring I > had addressed issues with other drafts being reviewed by the IESG. Please > look at the 12 and 13 changes (they are described in Appendix E.12 and > E.13. > If there are no further comments, I will send it to AD for evaluation > on December 13th. > Thanks, > Acee > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 15 15:30:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvJgi-0007dt-LY; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:29:48 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvJgh-0007dl-Oq for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:29:47 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvJgd-0004Gi-TD for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:29:47 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2006 12:29:44 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,176,1165219200"; d="scan'208"; a="48745107:sNHT45858144" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBFKTh5h017438 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:29:43 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBFKThvo006610 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:29:43 -0500 Received: from [10.82.208.75] ([10.82.208.75]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:29:43 -0500 Message-ID: <458305B6.8040504@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:29:42 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OSPF List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2006 20:29:43.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0D09F40:01C72087] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=468; t=1166214583; x=1167078583; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20OSPF=20Version=202=20MIB=20for=20Multi-Topology=20(MT)=20Rout ing=20-=20draft-rawat-ospf-mt-mib-01 |Sender:=20 |To:=20OSPF=20List=20; bh=M0wzMxaJmtfXmdj74eMuw31FDsVeQNmEZFP0kOSEd7k=; b=DzAmSQu+pk7T0HckMQNv0l34eI1HDEYC5RZPV8xjyUYuGkySnqCdryvk8osYnXmUsNi9q+Me N5gUUx3dphJs5wf+5ck5diFzYRcc8naIT/dYYEOtJUuqpbHyGO2bz4um; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [OSPF] OSPF Version 2 MIB for Multi-Topology (MT) Routing - draft-rawat-ospf-mt-mib-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This draft was presented in Montreal and there was support for making it a WG document in San Diego. During the IESG review for draft-ietf-ospf-mt-07.txt, one of the IESG comments was that MIB extensions should either be covered or specified in a separate document. Does anyone have good reason why this should not be an OSPF WG document? If not, I'm going to have the authors re-issue it as a draft-ietf... document on December 20, 2006. Thanks, Acee _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 16 06:06:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvXLs-0005AR-TC; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:05:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvXLr-0005AE-J2 for OSPF@ietf.org; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:05:11 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GvXLq-0003vE-97 for OSPF@ietf.org; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:05:11 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 72so908642ugd for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:05:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IBBWFysLIhCQUoxJ4uDPflaYz9p6nY2vKuT4VvVkQptsKtkdvavFbrm8JfozXnmLww07skfUjC2abVZdkgZIHFxA1rKcuPOoY9zJgi6bnKeuht3x7AgaohwmQZCK4yp/ZTBR5kJzQbqG6SUzubjBShX0WMmrZpsabJZEmUcqp4Q= Received: by 10.78.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr255391hue.1166267108856; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.194.19 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:05:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <22b5a47b0612160305i504ca619i38cb4f7255754355@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:05:08 +0800 From: "Yue Wang" To: OSPF@ietf.org, abhayds@acm.org, acee@cisco.com, riw@cisco.com, vishwas.ietf@gmail.com, gmirsky@turinnetworks.com, curtis@occnc.com, zhangli828@bjut.edu.cn, zhan@mail.uh.edu, ywang@cse.cuhk.edu.hk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Cc: Subject: [OSPF] [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hello, dear OSPF WG. I am the main author of this draft. First, I like to talk about the motivation of this draft. IP anycast is a vision of next generation networks. As IPv6 is not widely used yet, it is promising for OSPFv3 to provide anycast in future. In my design, I take the minimalist approach so that vendors will benefit from anycast immediately. Second, I describe my technical considerations as follows. 1) Anycast address My draft followed the definition of IPv6 anycast addresses (see RFC 4291). So there is an address aggregation here. Besides, it is better to identify anycast addresses from unicast addresses. For example, we can have new route calculation for anycast addresses. We can have additional security for anycast addresses as it is more vulnerable to attackes. This address identification is more flexible and does not disturb OSPFv3. So, Why not? 2) Anycast Route Calculation I agree that the anycast route calculation is similar to the unicast case. But there is a bug noticed in Case 1 in Sec 3.5.1 if we consider anycast the same as unicast. The last comer (anycast server) will replace the previous route entries (in the logic of unicast). As a result, there is ONLY ONE route entry for a given anycast address. This means all client requests will go to the same anycast server. And Case 2 in Sec 3.5.1 pointed out the timing problem when the best anycast server leaves. If anycast is considered the same as unicast, OSPF will simply remove the(ONLY ONE) route entry for a given anycast address and find another anycast server until the next refreshment. (Note that OSPF refreshes every 30 minutes by default.) These bugs were also observed in Zebra OSPFv3. I think OSPF WG has the responsibility to point them out in the standards. Besides, I noticed that the anycast route calculation can be done without changing SPF tree. Of course, it is only an efficient implementation. However, RFCs (e.g. OSPFv3) often provide guidelines for better implementation so that vendors can implement them easily. Right? 3) Inter-Area and Inter-Domain Anycast Route Selection This part is not important. I just give a reasonable option to select Inter-Area and Inter-domain anycast routes. We can further improve it. In sum, this draft provides one of the most efficient solutions of IP anycast routing in OSPFv3. Thanks a lot for your advice. -- Yue Wang _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From jameskbjl@hopedale-high-blue-raiders.com Mon Dec 18 16:17:09 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwPrB-0000dI-DJ for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:17:09 -0500 Received: from pd9565710.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.86.87.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwPr2-00027L-J0 for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:17:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c722e9$d63ffab0$2002a8c0@pD9565710.dip.t-dialin.net> From: "Maren West" To: "Zita" Subject: Re: Funny really Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:16:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C722E9.D63FFAB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: dd887a8966a4c4c217a52303814d0b5f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C722E9.D63FFAB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C722E9.D63FFAB0" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C722E9.D63FFAB0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- From: = ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org To: jameskbjl@hopedale-high-blue-raiders.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Funny really very beautiful young lady. 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he recommended Cordelia to the protection of the s, the maid whowhich = rousing the jealousy of her sister, to whom as well as to Regansilence, = the tears she shed were not for Gerard de Narbon. Helena
father's skill warranted, though he was the most famous physician of

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through her probation as a novice, to take the veil, and she wasfancy in = a young lady to put on male attire, and pass for a boyfor all the words = he could hear Olivia speak were words of kindness
denial even Ventidius, the redeemed and now rich Ventidius, refused

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in the island. Every body gave themselves up to feasting and makingwith = her husband, that at last they consented, hoping she would reachexcellent = complexion, which stole the hearts of old and young.
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as an avenging angel. dumb with an amazement too fathomless for = words,to hev beans, as they are about the easiest crop a-goin'." we = elected officers for next year. you should've been there to cast
after supper that night, bab and betty sat in the old  by and = by every one got tired,  for a lounge on the broad ledge of the = balustrade.
their midst, tall, straight, and steadfast as a mast, stood one = figure         

"it's amerry, half reproachful look, as she knelt down to look at his = woundedyou worry about me, jo=3F"of his father's honest name.
kept aunt jane from driving me stark mad with her 'advice.' i = don't  i reaped no benefits: but now that i maltreat you i am = loaded with  'you were the humbug this time, and so were
she bade her friends good-bye, and again = started         

she bade her friends good-bye, and again startedyou, ma'am, that's a = tip-top book, 'specially the pictures. but i can'ther work that he lay = looking at her with unwearied eyes; while josie readthe student looking = as if sleep and a desire for mischief were struggling
to find you looking so well and happy. does all go smoothly, fan=3F" = asked  "i give you my word i won't, only what  during = the last few days had stirred her deeply, and the resolution to
from behind, and they got along better. soon they rolled the lion out = of         

with boo to help by picking up the windfalls for the cider-heap, = afterit's a silk dress," she said, with the calmness of desperation, for = shem: food and drinks to help the old gentleman safely home to-morrow," = he said, as polly took
she might well say that, for she got very little herself,  much = about it."  one only knows how to do it so delicately that it = does not offend. i must
home they went and = poured         
in a minute she laughed and said, contentedly, "my mother likes me to = dressand place, the lads were in such a ferment that their elders sat in = momentaryand rose began to cuddle it in the fond, foolish way women = haveto be all that father hoped to find her when the year brought = round
the bright head as it flitted about the rooms as if it were a = second  a man by relenting, and saying, with a lofty gesture of = forgiveness  they are.
as usual, jo=3F you never could take a little gentle exercise = without          thesearound and around the little grass plot, her hands hanging = loosely    been transformed into something funny." = needles and pins sticking out of your head=3F" asked the tin   just now.
laid by a part of her wages for "ole mammy," she comforted = hepsey     stood still, appalled by this sudden = knowledge of how much greater   i shall give you something else; and you won't mind, will you=3F = because    
her, your majesty, cried jack. you. will i have to wait = long=3F    being too great for words; then, as by one = impulse, both stole up  
feel so safe and happy here."a very popular quick lunch in both the = united states and canada.  with pails of water to put the fire = out. but the thing that made as a matter of fact, we are none of us = above criticism; so let us  to music, and the professor trained = his lads to give with the best needles and pins sticking out of your head=3F" asked the tinand paid her = respects to the gentleman who shook hands in    any = use to my poor girl; therefore the less they see of each
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Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:46:29 -0500 Received: from [10.82.218.121] ([10.82.218.121]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:46:29 -0500 Message-ID: <45884FA4.40403@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:46:28 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OSPF List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2006 20:46:29.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[C22D0340:01C723AE] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3910; t=1166561189; x=1167425189; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20[Fwd=3A=20Forward=3A=20RFC=204750=20on=20OSPF=20Version=202=2 0Management=20Information=0A=20Base] |Sender:=20 |To:=20OSPF=20List=20; bh=eynMj7X4i21vDzk8GHchnjrPcUqp7rQmPU8XTk0lg9k=; b=Bgj4xt8EbCFclLAmKGo/YE+f3AYMog5X5ks4hbbeq69rdUhyywC70kvwZPuM/Ut0fdRiXK8i sxTU7hRTDCjtAGYSaGZ5801wkyEjTdHGhd0o903CD48qhLcD+sbROuZq; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=acee@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 Subject: [OSPF] [Fwd: Forward: RFC 4750 on OSPF Version 2 Management Information Base] X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org In case you missed this (as I did :^), the OSPFv2 MIB update has become an RFC. Congratulations and thanks to Dan, Peter, and Spencer for their hard work and persistence in bringing our huge MIB through the RFC process. Thanks, Acee -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Forward: RFC 4750 on OSPF Version 2 Management Information Base Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:58:17 -0800 From: RFC Editor To: djoyal@nortel.com, pgalecki@airvana.com, fred@cisco.com, ospf-ads@tools.ietf.org, ospf-chairs@tools.ietf.org, dromasca@avaya.com, spencer.giacalone@gmail.com CC: RFC Editor ----- Forwarded message from rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org ----- Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:23:31 -0800 To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 4750 on OSPF Version 2 Management Information Base From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ospf@ietf.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4750 Title: OSPF Version 2 Management Information Base Author: D. Joyal, Ed., P. Galecki, Ed., S. Giacalone, Ed., R. Coltun, F. Baker Status: Standards Track Date: December 2006 Mailbox: djoyal@nortel.com, pgalecki@airvana.com, spencer.giacalone@gmail.com, fred@cisco.com Pages: 121 Characters: 222459 Obsoletes: RFC1850 See-Also: I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ospf-mib-update-11.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4750.txt This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in TCP/IP-based internets. In particular, it defines objects for managing version 2 of the Open Shortest Path First Routing Protocol. Version 2 of the OSPF protocol is specific to the IPv4 address family. Version 3 of the OSPF protocol is specific to the IPv6 address family. This memo obsoletes RFC 1850; however, it is designed to be backwards compatible. The functional differences between this memo and RFC 1850 are explained in Appendix B. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the Open Shortest Path First IGP Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. 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The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute ... ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 19 23:25:19 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gwt0B-00067Q-IV; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:24:23 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gwt09-00067A-SA for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:24:21 -0500 Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gwt06-0000fL-Ue for OSPF@ietf.org; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:24:21 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JAK00IW518CC7@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:17:00 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JAK004M318BBR@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:17:00 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JAK00HR91882I@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:16:59 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:16:56 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-reply-to: <22b5a47b0612160305i504ca619i38cb4f7255754355@mail.gmail.com> To: Yue Wang Message-id: <4588B938.4010703@acm.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3CWVhFqmtlvE/2MI2FsHpQ)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: <22b5a47b0612160305i504ca619i38cb4f7255754355@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 Cc: ywang@cse.cuhk.edu.hk, OSPF@ietf.org, zhan@mail.uh.edu, zhangli828@bjut.edu.cn X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@acm.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_3CWVhFqmtlvE/2MI2FsHpQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hello yue wang, Personally appreciate your effort and score well with your points. Suggest you to make this draft as an anycast implementation report rather as an alternative to existing mechanism. But, it is also suggested you might do some R&D with valid results as to how OSPFv3 original extensions might fare with your version of anycasting. Remove, all sections of competition with OSPFv3 existing mechanism :-) Promote this anycasting as a standard in your current network. Connect other campus networks if you are aware of with the same technology to measure the way it is received and performs. Warm Regards, Abhay Yue Wang wrote: > Hello, dear OSPF WG. I am the main author of this draft. > > > First, I like to talk about the motivation of this draft. IP anycast > is a vision of next generation networks. As IPv6 is not widely used > yet, it is promising for OSPFv3 to provide anycast in future. In my > design, I take the minimalist approach so that vendors will benefit > from anycast immediately. > > > Second, I describe my technical considerations as follows. > > 1) Anycast address > > My draft followed the definition of IPv6 anycast addresses (see RFC > 4291). So there is an address aggregation here. > Besides, it is better to identify anycast addresses from unicast > addresses. For example, we can have new route calculation for anycast > addresses. We can have additional security for anycast addresses as it > is more vulnerable to attackes. This address identification is more > flexible and does not disturb OSPFv3. So, Why not? > > > 2) Anycast Route Calculation > > I agree that the anycast route calculation is similar to the unicast > case. But there is a bug noticed in Case 1 in Sec 3.5.1 if we consider > anycast the same as unicast. The last comer (anycast server) will > replace the previous route entries (in the logic of unicast). As a > result, there is ONLY ONE route entry for a given anycast address. > This means all client requests will go to the same anycast server. > > And Case 2 in Sec 3.5.1 pointed out the timing problem when the best > anycast server leaves. If anycast is considered the same as unicast, > OSPF will simply remove the(ONLY ONE) route entry for a given anycast > address and find another anycast server until the next refreshment. > (Note that OSPF refreshes every 30 minutes by default.) > > These bugs were also observed in Zebra OSPFv3. I think OSPF WG has the > responsibility to point them out in the standards. > > Besides, I noticed that the anycast route calculation can be done > without changing SPF tree. Of course, it is only an efficient > implementation. However, RFCs (e.g. OSPFv3) often provide guidelines > for better implementation so that vendors can implement them easily. > Right? > > > 3) Inter-Area and Inter-Domain Anycast Route Selection > > This part is not important. I just give a reasonable option to select > Inter-Area and Inter-domain anycast routes. We can further improve it. > > > In sum, this draft provides one of the most efficient solutions of IP > anycast routing in OSPFv3. 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20 Dec 2006 13:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <45898233.1020507@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:34:27 -0500 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yue Wang References: <22b5a47b0612160305i504ca619i38cb4f7255754355@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <22b5a47b0612160305i504ca619i38cb4f7255754355@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2006 18:34:28.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B7C9ED0:01C72465] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4931; t=1166639681; x=1167503681; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=sjdkim8002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=acee@cisco.com; z=From:=20Acee=20Lindem=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[AOSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=20OSPFv3=20(draft- wang-aospf-00)=20-=20Authors'=0A=20Technical=20Considerations |Sender:=20; bh=PhCvB1VMWOacYKsPQ0gLXd9Z17fnFO9Tq/PsFYCZhuc=; 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I am the main author of this draft. > > > First, I like to talk about the motivation of this draft. IP anycast > is a vision of next generation networks. As IPv6 is not widely used > yet, it is promising for OSPFv3 to provide anycast in future. In my > design, I take the minimalist approach so that vendors will benefit > from anycast immediately. > > > Second, I describe my technical considerations as follows. > > 1) Anycast address > > My draft followed the definition of IPv6 anycast addresses (see RFC > 4291). So there is an address aggregation here. > Besides, it is better to identify anycast addresses from unicast > addresses. For example, we can have new route calculation for anycast > addresses. We can have additional security for anycast addresses as it > is more vulnerable to attackes. This address identification is more > flexible and does not disturb OSPFv3. So, Why not? I'm not saying that it's not possible that there are different things one may want to do with anycast addresses. What I'm saying is that, IMHO, there is nothing in this draft that motivates processing IPv6 anycast addresses differently from IPv6 unicast addresses. One strong reason for not doing this is that we only have 3 prefix bits left. So, until we evolve to a TLV based OSPFv3, we must use these bits wisely. > > > 2) Anycast Route Calculation > > I agree that the anycast route calculation is similar to the unicast > case. But there is a bug noticed in Case 1 in Sec 3.5.1 if we consider > anycast the same as unicast. The last comer (anycast server) will > replace the previous route entries (in the logic of unicast). As a > result, there is ONLY ONE route entry for a given anycast address. > This means all client requests will go to the same anycast server. Not in any of my implementations - if you calculate ECMP (Equal Cost Multipath) routes, most implementations will distribute flows (based on source/dest or some longer tuple including other flow qualifiers) across the equal cost routes. > > > And Case 2 in Sec 3.5.1 pointed out the timing problem when the best > anycast server leaves. If anycast is considered the same as unicast, > OSPF will simply remove the(ONLY ONE) route entry for a given anycast > address and find another anycast server until the next refreshment. > (Note that OSPF refreshes every 30 minutes by default.) Your section 3.5.1 has left me confused. When anycast servers join or leave the network a mechanism is needed to determine this has occurred. One mechanism would be for the anycast servers to run OSPFv3 themselves and respectively advertise or withdraw the corresponding IPv6 anycast address. If an anycast server becomes unreachable, the advertised anycast addresses will become unreachable when the server does. > > These bugs were also observed in Zebra OSPFv3. I think OSPF WG has the > responsibility to point them out in the standards. The OSPF WG isn't responsible for Zebra or any other implementation. You might want to try the Zebra mailing list: http://www.zebra.org/mailing.html > > Besides, I noticed that the anycast route calculation can be done > without changing SPF tree. Of course, it is only an efficient > implementation. I can assure you that you are not the first to recognize this. In fact, in the RFC 2740 respin, I added text similar to what is in RFC 2328. From http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-13.txt This specification does not require that the above algorithm be used to calculate the intra-area shortest path tree. However, if another algorithm or optimization is used, an identical shortest path tree must be produced. It is also important that any alternate algorithm or optimization maintain the requirement that transit vertices must be bidirectional for inclusion in the tree. Alternate algorithms and optimizations are beyond the scope of this specification. > However, RFCs (e.g. OSPFv3) often provide guidelines > for better implementation so that vendors can implement them easily. > Right? I believe there are many different ways which the SPF can be optimized without impacting compatibility or requiring protocol changes. I don't think we want to start documenting them all in the OSPF WG. Anyway, I don't believe you've demonstrated the technical requirement for special processing of IPv6 Anycast addresses and think possibly we've spent enough time on this. Thanks, Acee > > > 3) Inter-Area and Inter-Domain Anycast Route Selection > > This part is not important. I just give a reasonable option to select > Inter-Area and Inter-domain anycast routes. We can further improve it. > > > In sum, this draft provides one of the most efficient solutions of IP > anycast routing in OSPFv3. 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<22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:08:07 +0800 From: "Yue Wang" To: "Acee Lindem" , OSPF@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <45898233.1020507@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <22b5a47b0612160305i504ca619i38cb4f7255754355@mail.gmail.com> <45898233.1020507@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8f374d0786b25a451ef87d82c076f593 Cc: Subject: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Dear Acee and All, The last thing to raise your attention (see below). Thanks a lot for your advice and discussion. Look forward to the future anycast standard in OSPFv3. On 12/21/06, Acee Lindem wrote: > Hi Yue, > > Yue Wang wrote: > > Hello, dear OSPF WG. I am the main author of this draft. > > > > > > First, I like to talk about the motivation of this draft. IP anycast > > is a vision of next generation networks. As IPv6 is not widely used > > yet, it is promising for OSPFv3 to provide anycast in future. In my > > design, I take the minimalist approach so that vendors will benefit > > from anycast immediately. > > > > > > Second, I describe my technical considerations as follows. > > > > 1) Anycast address > > > > My draft followed the definition of IPv6 anycast addresses (see RFC > > 4291). So there is an address aggregation here. > > Besides, it is better to identify anycast addresses from unicast > > addresses. For example, we can have new route calculation for anycast > > addresses. We can have additional security for anycast addresses as it > > is more vulnerable to attackes. This address identification is more > > flexible and does not disturb OSPFv3. So, Why not? > I'm not saying that it's not possible that there are different things one > may want to do with anycast addresses. What I'm saying is that, IMHO, > there is nothing in this draft that motivates processing IPv6 anycast > addresses > differently from IPv6 unicast addresses. > > One strong reason for not doing this is that we only have 3 prefix bits > left. So, until we evolve to a TLV based OSPFv3, we must use these bits > wisely. > > > > > > > 2) Anycast Route Calculation > > > > I agree that the anycast route calculation is similar to the unicast > > case. But there is a bug noticed in Case 1 in Sec 3.5.1 if we consider > > anycast the same as unicast. The last comer (anycast server) will > > replace the previous route entries (in the logic of unicast). As a > > result, there is ONLY ONE route entry for a given anycast address. > > This means all client requests will go to the same anycast server. > Not in any of my implementations - if you calculate ECMP > (Equal Cost Multipath) routes, most implementations will > distribute flows (based on source/dest or some longer tuple > including other flow qualifiers) across the equal cost routes. > Note that anycast routes are not necessarily equal cost. Suppose there are 2 anycast routes coming into a OSPF network in sequence: the first is 1 hop, the second is 2 hop. As a result, ONLY the 2-hop route stays in the network, if we treat anycast as unicast. That's why I differentiate anycast from unicast. > > > > > > And Case 2 in Sec 3.5.1 pointed out the timing problem when the best > > anycast server leaves. If anycast is considered the same as unicast, > > OSPF will simply remove the(ONLY ONE) route entry for a given anycast > > address and find another anycast server until the next refreshment. > > (Note that OSPF refreshes every 30 minutes by default.) > Your section 3.5.1 has left me confused. When anycast servers > join or leave the network a mechanism is needed to determine this > has occurred. One mechanism would be for the anycast servers > to run OSPFv3 themselves and respectively advertise or withdraw > the corresponding IPv6 anycast address. If an anycast server > becomes unreachable, the advertised anycast addresses will become > unreachable when the server does. > > > > These bugs were also observed in Zebra OSPFv3. I think OSPF WG has the > > responsibility to point them out in the standards. > The OSPF WG isn't responsible for Zebra or any other implementation. > You might want to try the Zebra mailing list: > > http://www.zebra.org/mailing.html > > > > > > Besides, I noticed that the anycast route calculation can be done > > without changing SPF tree. Of course, it is only an efficient > > implementation. > I can assure you that you are not the first to recognize this. In fact, > in the > RFC 2740 respin, I added text similar to what is in RFC 2328. > From > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-13.txt > > This specification does not require that the above algorithm be used > to calculate the intra-area shortest path tree. However, if another > algorithm or optimization is used, an identical shortest path tree > must be produced. It is also important that any alternate algorithm > or optimization maintain the requirement that transit vertices must > be bidirectional for inclusion in the tree. Alternate algorithms and > optimizations are beyond the scope of this specification. > > > > However, RFCs (e.g. OSPFv3) often provide guidelines > > for better implementation so that vendors can implement them easily. > > Right? > I believe there are many different ways which the SPF can be optimized > without impacting compatibility or requiring protocol changes. I don't > think we want to start documenting them all in the OSPF WG. > > Anyway, I don't believe you've demonstrated the technical requirement > for special processing of IPv6 Anycast addresses and think possibly > we've spent enough time on this. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > > > > > 3) Inter-Area and Inter-Domain Anycast Route Selection > > > > This part is not important. I just give a reasonable option to select > > Inter-Area and Inter-domain anycast routes. We can further improve it. > > > > > > In sum, this draft provides one of the most efficient solutions of IP > > anycast routing in OSPFv3. Thanks a lot for your advice. > > > -- regards, wang yue _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 21 21:29:41 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxaAA-000524-Uy; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:29:34 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxaA9-00051z-P4 for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:29:33 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.100]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxaA6-0008Jb-DS for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:29:33 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (cpe-066-057-016-220.nc.res.rr.com [66.57.16.220]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBM2TSBx004279; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:29:29 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> References: <22b5a47b0612160305i504ca619i38cb4f7255754355@mail.gmail.com> <45898233.1020507@cisco.com> <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:28:54 -0500 To: Yue Wang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Yue, On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Yue Wang wrote: > Dear Acee and All, > > The last thing to raise your attention (see below). > > Thanks a lot for your advice and discussion. Look forward to the > future anycast standard in OSPFv3. > > > >> > 2) Anycast Route Calculation >> > >> > I agree that the anycast route calculation is similar to the >> unicast >> > case. But there is a bug noticed in Case 1 in Sec 3.5.1 if we >> consider >> > anycast the same as unicast. The last comer (anycast server) will >> > replace the previous route entries (in the logic of unicast). As a >> > result, there is ONLY ONE route entry for a given anycast address. >> > This means all client requests will go to the same anycast server. >> Not in any of my implementations - if you calculate ECMP >> (Equal Cost Multipath) routes, most implementations will >> distribute flows (based on source/dest or some longer tuple >> including other flow qualifiers) across the equal cost routes. >> > > Note that anycast routes are not necessarily equal cost. > Suppose there are 2 anycast routes coming into a OSPF network in > sequence: the first is 1 hop, the second is 2 hop. As a result, ONLY > the 2-hop route stays in the network, if we treat anycast as unicast. Independent of address type (unicast or anycast), you take the shortest path. What are you proposing for anycast that deviates from this premise? Thanks, Acee > > > -- > regards, > wang yue > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From hafilvh@ipayables.com Fri Dec 22 06:12:44 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxiKS-0008Nf-Cl for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 06:12:44 -0500 Received: from p57ac6348.dip.t-dialin.net ([87.172.99.72]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxiKL-0008QM-Se for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 06:12:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c725ba$14d7cbe0$fe7aa8c0@p57AC6348.dip.t-dialin.net> From: "Hildegard Wells" To: "Lucas Garcia" Subject: Time to check it Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:12:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C725BA.14D7CBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 8a4bcf8f67063cac573319207fe3db35 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C725BA.14D7CBE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C725BA.14D7CBE0" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C725BA.14D7CBE0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dose left." aswas the first to address the meeting. fellow's first burst might be his last, sincefishing up that treacherous = disease.blocked out a grand statue, and left the bakers, and candlestick makers into gallant the cause of his complaining. on learningis my bonnet, for which i 'm = deeply grateful,"dark hair cut short across the brow, a rosyseemed very = heavy. she tried to forget herself, but such favors from such people don't burdenhave a cookie all round," = said mrs. jo; andhaving tied up the bell and put a notice "it is too bad; but you ought "it is too bad; but you oughtinto his pocket. over one another in their = efforts to escapeis absent template was a flower in which he took pride.and the gray hairs above it, was = never sourremarked the tin woodman as he looked earnestly show off and do as i liked for a minute, "oh, i say, isn't corea a beauty=3F i'm evercurious about the cats, and = could not resistsince he might not for himself."yes," it, saw the words "self-reliance," and turningwith wheat-ears. beside her = sat a gentleman,and took away love." by stripping the glove from the hand he had it is only the caw of a crow, and her cry,him.""shefor the eighth = commandment was reduced to mr. dashwood had taken the manuscript, andpolly instantly decided that = she would n't borrow becky's best bonnet,the thief, for the ben rang, and = in they went, so much excited that the boys and cook them. my father ate some once, and he said they were nice," put = in 'do you ever say "thunder-turtles" now=3F'with a womanly pride in their = regard, a motherly affection for them all. thebeautiful country up there = was real, and we could ever go to it," said beththe girls all put on = their necklaces, and danced about like fine ladies ask nothin' better 'n to see more of her," said mrs. wilkins, warmly, = fearingunsilenced by her husband's frown, mrs. redmond,"you=3F pooh! should be this, and who that. all wanted to be the "sleeping beauty," for = that nights,' and expect to find a magic carpet or a wonderful talisman = somewhere.know, i just go to mrs. o'grady and tell her what i want; she = makes my spring"now, we must finish with mignon's song, for mr. bhaer = sings with mary "i'm real glad to see you safe and well, mr. brown!listening to = my moral remarks, mrs. laurence," and laurie paused, for amy'sfrocks. it = was an excellent place for woe; and the fitful spring rain that = pattered"excuse me, i was looking the girls all put on their necklaces, and danced about like fine = ladieswarm and eloquent as he thought over his wrongs, and bounced up = tolife is pretty tough sometimes, isn't it=3F' and nat took his head in is absent templatevery little anxiety or curiosity about the haven which = was to receivea few evenings beforehoped to have her near him in a = tenderer capacity than that of nurse. ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C725BA.14D7CBE0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:52:28 -0500 To: Yue Wang , OSPF List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 Cc: X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org On Dec 22, 2006, at 1:05 AM, Yue Wang wrote: > On 12/22/06, Acee Lindem wrote: >> Hi Yue, >> On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Yue Wang wrote: >> >> > Dear Acee and All, >> > >> > The last thing to raise your attention (see below). >> > >> > Thanks a lot for your advice and discussion. Look forward to the >> > future anycast standard in OSPFv3. >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > 2) Anycast Route Calculation >> >> > >> >> > I agree that the anycast route calculation is similar to the >> >> unicast >> >> > case. But there is a bug noticed in Case 1 in Sec 3.5.1 if we >> >> consider >> >> > anycast the same as unicast. The last comer (anycast server) >> will >> >> > replace the previous route entries (in the logic of unicast). >> As a >> >> > result, there is ONLY ONE route entry for a given anycast >> address. >> >> > This means all client requests will go to the same anycast >> server. >> >> Not in any of my implementations - if you calculate ECMP >> >> (Equal Cost Multipath) routes, most implementations will >> >> distribute flows (based on source/dest or some longer tuple >> >> including other flow qualifiers) across the equal cost routes. >> >> >> > >> > Note that anycast routes are not necessarily equal cost. >> > Suppose there are 2 anycast routes coming into a OSPF network in >> > sequence: the first is 1 hop, the second is 2 hop. As a result, >> ONLY >> > the 2-hop route stays in the network, if we treat anycast as >> unicast. >> >> Independent of address type (unicast or anycast), you take the >> shortest path. What are you proposing for anycast that deviates from >> this >> premise? > > I simply maintained a route list for each anycast address so that the > 1-hop route will not be flushed by the 2-hop route in the above > example. Assuming the 1-hop route is lower cost, this shouldn't be necessary. Look at section 3.8.1 in RFC 2740. Every router advertising anycast addresses simply advertises the closest anycast address. How this is accomplished is an implementation specific matter and depends how the anycast addresses are discovered - is that what you're trying to accomplish with your route lists? Thanks, Acee > >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > regards, >> > wang yue >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OSPF mailing list >> > OSPF@ietf.org >> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> > > > -- > regards, > wang yue _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 22 10:15:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gxm6g-0000aB-SZ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:14:46 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gxm6f-0000a4-CT for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:14:45 -0500 Received: from [69.37.59.173] (helo=workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gxm6e-0007Bm-0H for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:14:45 -0500 Received: from workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBMFDPPR039880; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:13:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) Message-Id: <200612221513.kBMFDPPR039880@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> To: "Yue Wang" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:08:07 +0800." <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:13:25 -0500 From: Curtis Villamizar X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org, Acee Lindem X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@occnc.com List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org In message <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> "Yue Wang" writes: > > Dear Acee and All, > > The last thing to raise your attention (see below). > > Thanks a lot for your advice and discussion. Look forward to the > future anycast standard in OSPFv3. The point of this exercise was initially to determine whether there was work group support form making draft-wang-aospf-00 a WG document. There does not seem to be support for this. > Note that anycast routes are not necessarily equal cost. > Suppose there are 2 anycast routes coming into a OSPF network in > sequence: the first is 1 hop, the second is 2 hop. As a result, ONLY > the 2-hop route stays in the network, if we treat anycast as unicast. > > That's why I differentiate anycast from unicast. You seem to have repeated this characterization of how unicast works a few times now. Second route does not replace the first if the first is lower costs. IMHO You have not demonstrated and need to change OSPF to support anycast. Acee had pointed out how it is done today (in rare instances where it is done at all) and you have not convinced anyone in the WG that there is an advantage to you approach. More important you have not convinced anyone to support this draft as a WG item. Perhaps Acee has a tally. No amount of vigorous assertion on your part is going to change that. Since there are few people speaking out, none for, only a few against, maybe the question can be posed at the next WG meeting. OTOH If more people speak out against this as a WG item between now and then, the draft should be considered a dead item. Curtis _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 22 21:27:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxwaZ-0005K5-QC; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:26:19 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxwaY-0005Jp-5c for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:26:18 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxwaW-0005uZ-Qk for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:26:18 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so772718uge for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:26:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fHMsks6l9Bnmcvj4F5OUSDNXBpinYffx8D08Tc7f6NjxmZcWXoVsZt3xoSGjnQM43eIRfc45P6sGav85f1sRet3rJegCJrxpDYCfnSkWMzMK3cnOnFeMDTGkeYDHBrGc6hOf7tJ7SAZykqUUxQp3dFEC3MdnME/ZkijNqoN3j2I= Received: by 10.78.201.2 with SMTP id y2mr1724498huf.1166840776112; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.194.19 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:26:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <22b5a47b0612221826i30156188i70ac6dadeae3d9d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:26:16 +0800 From: "Yue Wang" To: "Acee Lindem" , OSPF@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-Reply-To: <9A77C24A-0A03-4734-AF8B-2C3872ABFE6B@lindem.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <22b5a47b0612160305i504ca619i38cb4f7255754355@mail.gmail.com> <45898233.1020507@cisco.com> <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> <22b5a47b0612212205t43f70b65u15df2856b355ab2@mail.gmail.com> <9A77C24A-0A03-4734-AF8B-2C3872ABFE6B@lindem.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 Cc: X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org On 12/22/06, Acee Lindem wrote: > > On Dec 22, 2006, at 1:05 AM, Yue Wang wrote: > > > On 12/22/06, Acee Lindem wrote: > >> Hi Yue, > >> On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Yue Wang wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Acee and All, > >> > > >> > The last thing to raise your attention (see below). > >> > > >> > Thanks a lot for your advice and discussion. Look forward to the > >> > future anycast standard in OSPFv3. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> >> > 2) Anycast Route Calculation > >> >> > > >> >> > I agree that the anycast route calculation is similar to the > >> >> unicast > >> >> > case. But there is a bug noticed in Case 1 in Sec 3.5.1 if we > >> >> consider > >> >> > anycast the same as unicast. The last comer (anycast server) > >> will > >> >> > replace the previous route entries (in the logic of unicast). > >> As a > >> >> > result, there is ONLY ONE route entry for a given anycast > >> address. > >> >> > This means all client requests will go to the same anycast > >> server. > >> >> Not in any of my implementations - if you calculate ECMP > >> >> (Equal Cost Multipath) routes, most implementations will > >> >> distribute flows (based on source/dest or some longer tuple > >> >> including other flow qualifiers) across the equal cost routes. > >> >> > >> > > >> > Note that anycast routes are not necessarily equal cost. > >> > Suppose there are 2 anycast routes coming into a OSPF network in > >> > sequence: the first is 1 hop, the second is 2 hop. As a result, > >> ONLY > >> > the 2-hop route stays in the network, if we treat anycast as > >> unicast. > >> > >> Independent of address type (unicast or anycast), you take the > >> shortest path. What are you proposing for anycast that deviates from > >> this > >> premise? > > > > I simply maintained a route list for each anycast address so that the > > 1-hop route will not be flushed by the 2-hop route in the above > > example. > > Assuming the 1-hop route is lower cost, this shouldn't be necessary. > Look at section 3.8.1 in RFC 2740. Every router advertising anycast > addresses simply advertises the closest anycast address. How this is > accomplished is an implementation specific matter and depends how > the anycast addresses are discovered - is that what you're > trying to accomplish with your route lists? > No, my point is: the 2-hop route will update the 1-hop route because the current OSPF thinks it newer, if we simply treat anycast as unicast. Note that an anycast address can be on multiple locations. And I use the anycast route list to maintain this information. > Thanks, > Acee > > > > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Acee > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > regards, > >> > wang yue > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > OSPF mailing list > >> > OSPF@ietf.org > >> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > regards, > > wang yue > > -- regards, wang yue _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 22 22:10:55 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxxHa-0002lx-Ef; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:10:46 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxxHZ-0002ls-4n for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:10:45 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.100]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxxHV-0002eF-Os for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:10:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (cpe-066-057-016-220.nc.res.rr.com [66.57.16.220]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBN3AWM7029771; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:10:34 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <22b5a47b0612221826i30156188i70ac6dadeae3d9d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <22b5a47b0612160305i504ca619i38cb4f7255754355@mail.gmail.com> <45898233.1020507@cisco.com> <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> <22b5a47b0612212205t43f70b65u15df2856b355ab2@mail.gmail.com> <9A77C24A-0A03-4734-AF8B-2C3872ABFE6B@lindem.com> <22b5a47b0612221826i30156188i70ac6dadeae3d9d5@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:10:30 -0500 To: Yue Wang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 22bbb45ef41b733eb2d03ee71ece8243 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org On Dec 22, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Yue Wang wrote: > On 12/22/06, Acee Lindem wrote: >> >> On Dec 22, 2006, at 1:05 AM, Yue Wang wrote: >> >> > On 12/22/06, Acee Lindem wrote: >> >> Hi Yue, >> >> On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Yue Wang wrote: >> >> >> >> > Dear Acee and All, >> >> > >> >> > The last thing to raise your attention (see below). >> >> > >> >> > Thanks a lot for your advice and discussion. Look forward >> to the >> >> > future anycast standard in OSPFv3. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > 2) Anycast Route Calculation >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I agree that the anycast route calculation is similar to the >> >> >> unicast >> >> >> > case. But there is a bug noticed in Case 1 in Sec 3.5.1 if we >> >> >> consider >> >> >> > anycast the same as unicast. The last comer (anycast server) >> >> will >> >> >> > replace the previous route entries (in the logic of unicast). >> >> As a >> >> >> > result, there is ONLY ONE route entry for a given anycast >> >> address. >> >> >> > This means all client requests will go to the same anycast >> >> server. >> >> >> Not in any of my implementations - if you calculate ECMP >> >> >> (Equal Cost Multipath) routes, most implementations will >> >> >> distribute flows (based on source/dest or some longer tuple >> >> >> including other flow qualifiers) across the equal cost routes. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Note that anycast routes are not necessarily equal cost. >> >> > Suppose there are 2 anycast routes coming into a OSPF network in >> >> > sequence: the first is 1 hop, the second is 2 hop. As a result, >> >> ONLY >> >> > the 2-hop route stays in the network, if we treat anycast as >> >> unicast. >> >> >> >> Independent of address type (unicast or anycast), you take the >> >> shortest path. What are you proposing for anycast that deviates >> from >> >> this >> >> premise? >> > >> > I simply maintained a route list for each anycast address so >> that the >> > 1-hop route will not be flushed by the 2-hop route in the above >> > example. >> >> Assuming the 1-hop route is lower cost, this shouldn't be necessary. >> Look at section 3.8.1 in RFC 2740. Every router advertising anycast >> addresses simply advertises the closest anycast address. How this is >> accomplished is an implementation specific matter and depends how >> the anycast addresses are discovered - is that what you're >> trying to accomplish with your route lists? >> > > No, my point is: the 2-hop route will update the 1-hop route because > the current OSPF thinks it newer, if we simply treat anycast as > unicast. OSPF takes the shortest path - NOT the newest. I think you are confusing a bug in a specific implementation or a bug in an implementation's linkage to anycast advertisement to how the protocol actually works. > Note that an anycast address can be on multiple locations. > And I use the anycast route list to maintain this information. When you calculate your intra-area SPF, you should consider all applicable intra-area-prefix-LSAs. This way, if an anycast prefix is reachable from multiple vertexes in in your Shortest Path Tree (SPT), you'll still choose the path to the one which is closest. Again, I'll simply point you to RFC 2740. Acee > > > >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> > >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Acee >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > regards, >> >> > wang yue >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > OSPF mailing list >> >> > OSPF@ietf.org >> >> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > regards, >> > wang yue >> >> > > > -- > regards, > wang yue _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 22 22:24:26 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxxUf-0007qi-Ni; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:24:17 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxxUf-0007qC-5O for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:24:17 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.170]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxxUc-00079a-R1 for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:24:17 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 72so2930732ugd for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:24:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q0vADogP4SpAYUHU8MVGi+oLzvV2FXs2WDgM8RHXzX1Ua/JyCcFAgGtSkfV7fcNO+2TTwlj6stb/92UIfZc4IY3a9owCs6ZEGyWY1XBrFjbehmAOVUKBHd90G5/tI6lNA1nym60T0tRNBdO6OM5wWbXZqENFcU2IAxGubtWV25Q= Received: by 10.78.158.11 with SMTP id g11mr1940241hue.1166844254013; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.194.19 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:24:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <22b5a47b0612221924i38af7509s6c28572e2fcfe5c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:24:13 +0800 From: "Yue Wang" To: curtis@occnc.com, acee@lindem.com, ospf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-Reply-To: <200612221513.kBMFDPPR039880@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> <200612221513.kBMFDPPR039880@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Cc: X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Dear Curtis, In the above example, the 2-hop route can update the 1-hop route because the current OSPF thinks it newer (Sec 3.4.2, RFC 2740), if we simply treat anycast as unicast. Note that an anycast address can be on multiple locations. And I use the anycast route list to maintain this information. Besides, you can look at Case 2 section 3.5.1 in my draft. There is only one route (e.g. the 1-hop route) for a anycast address maintained by the current OSPF. If the route is withdrawn due to some reason (e.g. server power off or network disconnection), the alternative route (e.g. the 2-hop one) will be rediscovered until the next LSA refreshment (Sec 12.4, RFC2328). Note that the default LSRefreshTime is 30 minutes. This is my key point. I think OSPF would define it clearly for anycast. Thanks a lot for your discussion. On 12/22/06, Curtis Villamizar wrote: > > In message <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> > "Yue Wang" writes: > > > > Dear Acee and All, > > > > The last thing to raise your attention (see below). > > > > Thanks a lot for your advice and discussion. Look forward to the > > future anycast standard in OSPFv3. > > > The point of this exercise was initially to determine whether there > was work group support form making draft-wang-aospf-00 a WG document. > There does not seem to be support for this. > > > > > Note that anycast routes are not necessarily equal cost. > > Suppose there are 2 anycast routes coming into a OSPF network in > > sequence: the first is 1 hop, the second is 2 hop. As a result, ONLY > > the 2-hop route stays in the network, if we treat anycast as unicast. > > > > That's why I differentiate anycast from unicast. > > You seem to have repeated this characterization of how unicast works a > few times now. Second route does not replace the first if the first > is lower costs. > > IMHO You have not demonstrated and need to change OSPF to support > anycast. Acee had pointed out how it is done today (in rare instances > where it is done at all) and you have not convinced anyone in the WG > that there is an advantage to you approach. > > More important you have not convinced anyone to support this draft as > a WG item. Perhaps Acee has a tally. > > No amount of vigorous assertion on your part is going to change that. > > Since there are few people speaking out, none for, only a few against, > maybe the question can be posed at the next WG meeting. OTOH If more > people speak out against this as a WG item between now and then, the > draft should be considered a dead item. > > Curtis > -- regards, wang yue _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 22 22:35:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxxfR-0005sV-Jx; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:35:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxxfP-0005oO-I8 for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:35:23 -0500 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.187]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxxfO-0001sz-26 for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:35:23 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l36so1339301nfa for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:35:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Dq/NZbUyu/8Q6J1CfVPIqMkVEBCt4IiS8q+23N43OQwbms8ihuubfKU7WE5t5elLI/61SMCmm/Q5E9+FBa5Qc9ruBPfuDmBygkliCDyJXE6qU2ypzzFYIoIIttCymfjG2FdVC4C4/GNxGh9ThFb7xmE2rRDxxchfb0xwREZ3Eno= Received: by 10.78.18.3 with SMTP id 3mr1749810hur.1166844921132; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.194.19 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:35:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <22b5a47b0612221935y75ed759o9a2224bd07ba7c2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:35:21 +0800 From: "Yue Wang" To: acee@lindem.com, joel@stevecrocker.com, OSPF@ietf.org, curtis@occnc.com Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <22b5a47b0612160305i504ca619i38cb4f7255754355@mail.gmail.com> <45898233.1020507@cisco.com> <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> <22b5a47b0612212205t43f70b65u15df2856b355ab2@mail.gmail.com> <9A77C24A-0A03-4734-AF8B-2C3872ABFE6B@lindem.com> <22b5a47b0612221826i30156188i70ac6dadeae3d9d5@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c54bc2f42d02429833c0ca4b8725abd7 Cc: X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Dear Acee and Joel, Yes, I was wrong. Thanks a lot. The last thing: please look at Case 2 section 3.5.1 in my draft. There is only one route (e.g. the 1-hop route) for a anycast address maintained by the current OSPF. If the route is withdrawn due to some reason (e.g. server power off or network disconnection), the alternative route (e.g. the 2-hop one) will be rediscovered until the next LSA refreshment (Sec 12.4, RFC2328). Note that the default LSRefreshTime is 30 minutes. I hope OSPF WG would define it clearly for anycast. Thanks a lot for your discussions so far. On 12/23/06, Acee Lindem wrote: > > On Dec 22, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Yue Wang wrote: > > > On 12/22/06, Acee Lindem wrote: > >> > >> On Dec 22, 2006, at 1:05 AM, Yue Wang wrote: > >> > >> > On 12/22/06, Acee Lindem wrote: > >> >> Hi Yue, > >> >> On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Yue Wang wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Dear Acee and All, > >> >> > > >> >> > The last thing to raise your attention (see below). > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks a lot for your advice and discussion. Look forward > >> to the > >> >> > future anycast standard in OSPFv3. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > 2) Anycast Route Calculation > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I agree that the anycast route calculation is similar to the > >> >> >> unicast > >> >> >> > case. But there is a bug noticed in Case 1 in Sec 3.5.1 if we > >> >> >> consider > >> >> >> > anycast the same as unicast. The last comer (anycast server) > >> >> will > >> >> >> > replace the previous route entries (in the logic of unicast). > >> >> As a > >> >> >> > result, there is ONLY ONE route entry for a given anycast > >> >> address. > >> >> >> > This means all client requests will go to the same anycast > >> >> server. > >> >> >> Not in any of my implementations - if you calculate ECMP > >> >> >> (Equal Cost Multipath) routes, most implementations will > >> >> >> distribute flows (based on source/dest or some longer tuple > >> >> >> including other flow qualifiers) across the equal cost routes. > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > Note that anycast routes are not necessarily equal cost. > >> >> > Suppose there are 2 anycast routes coming into a OSPF network in > >> >> > sequence: the first is 1 hop, the second is 2 hop. As a result, > >> >> ONLY > >> >> > the 2-hop route stays in the network, if we treat anycast as > >> >> unicast. > >> >> > >> >> Independent of address type (unicast or anycast), you take the > >> >> shortest path. What are you proposing for anycast that deviates > >> from > >> >> this > >> >> premise? > >> > > >> > I simply maintained a route list for each anycast address so > >> that the > >> > 1-hop route will not be flushed by the 2-hop route in the above > >> > example. > >> > >> Assuming the 1-hop route is lower cost, this shouldn't be necessary. > >> Look at section 3.8.1 in RFC 2740. Every router advertising anycast > >> addresses simply advertises the closest anycast address. How this is > >> accomplished is an implementation specific matter and depends how > >> the anycast addresses are discovered - is that what you're > >> trying to accomplish with your route lists? > >> > > > > No, my point is: the 2-hop route will update the 1-hop route because > > the current OSPF thinks it newer, if we simply treat anycast as > > unicast. > > OSPF takes the shortest path - NOT the newest. I think you > are confusing a bug in a specific implementation or a bug in an > implementation's linkage to anycast advertisement to how > the protocol actually works. > > > > Note that an anycast address can be on multiple locations. > > And I use the anycast route list to maintain this information. > > When you calculate your intra-area SPF, you should > consider all applicable intra-area-prefix-LSAs. This way, if an anycast > prefix is reachable from multiple vertexes in in your Shortest > Path Tree (SPT), you'll still choose the path to the one which is > closest. Again, I'll simply point you to RFC 2740. > > Acee > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks, > >> Acee > >> > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> Acee > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > regards, > >> >> > wang yue > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > OSPF mailing list > >> >> > OSPF@ietf.org > >> >> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > regards, > >> > wang yue > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > regards, > > wang yue > > -- regards, wang yue _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 22 22:56:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gxy07-0007sA-32; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:56:47 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gxy05-0007rn-Ct for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:56:45 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gxy03-0004wC-VK for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:56:45 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2006 19:56:43 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,207,1165219200"; d="scan'208"; a="94443000:sNHT48522861" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBN3uhKg013470; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:56:43 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBN3uhPn024047; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:56:42 -0800 Received: from [10.25.187.131] ([10.25.187.131]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:56:42 -0800 Message-ID: <458CA8F9.9060604@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:56:41 -0600 From: Paul Wells User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061219) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yue Wang Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations References: <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> <200612221513.kBMFDPPR039880@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> <22b5a47b0612221924i38af7509s6c28572e2fcfe5c3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <22b5a47b0612221924i38af7509s6c28572e2fcfe5c3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2006 03:56:42.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B51EB50:01C72646] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4024; t=1166846203; x=1167710203; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=pauwells@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Wells=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Re=3A=20[AOSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=2 0OSPFv3=09(draft-wang-aospf-00)=0A=20-=20Authors'=20Technical=20Considerat ions |Sender:=20; bh=XqnqwiYvdgTSm5wlEX0xe97CqxI3yXXylOGapTMqtc4=; b=Z56LAtYu5LukYuv+BzhDfunmsUaiwrti4vLLqU8AD5V8+gh8myB5eXDmIssuzBa8UIM2j7jU NIcqJdSVZoT7GHzTxpQfq5lDmXwZBl8xhxO879WGYtse3z+Nj4vomY6h; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=pauwells@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Yue, Yue Wang wrote: > Dear Curtis, > > In the above example, the 2-hop route can update the 1-hop route because > the current OSPF thinks it newer (Sec 3.4.2, RFC 2740), if we simply > treat anycast as unicast. Section 3.4.2 is talking about the link state database, not routes per se. As Acee mentioned, it's the cost of a route that matters, not the age of any particular lsa. Note that an anycast address can be on > multiple locations. > And I use the anycast route list to maintain this information. A unicast prefix can also be reachable from multiple points on the shortest path tree. In fact, I fail to see why you think that anycast routes need special treatment in this regard. The only difference is that when a unicast prefix is reachable from multiple locations they all (presumably) reach the same network segment, whereas multiple anycast addresses can be used to reach different hosts offering a common service. A correct implementation of the existing ospfv2 or ospfv3 protocols should handle this just fine. > > Besides, you can look at Case 2 section 3.5.1 in my draft. There is > only one route (e.g. the 1-hop route) for a anycast address maintained > by the current OSPF. If the route is withdrawn due to some reason > (e.g. server power off or network disconnection), the alternative > route (e.g. the 2-hop one) will be rediscovered until the next LSA > refreshment (Sec 12.4, RFC2328). Note that the default LSRefreshTime > is 30 minutes. This sounds like a bug in a particular implementation, or a misunderstanding of how ospf works. In ospf routes are not advertised or withdrawn, lsas are. Routes are computed from the link state database, which should have a complete description of the topology at any given point in time. If an lsa is removed, but a (higher cost) path exists in the topology, it will be installed as soon as spf is run. LSA refresh has nothing to do with this. Regards, Paul > > This is my key point. I think OSPF would define it clearly for anycast. > Thanks a lot for your discussion. > > On 12/22/06, Curtis Villamizar wrote: >> >> In message <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> >> "Yue Wang" writes: >> > >> > Dear Acee and All, >> > >> > The last thing to raise your attention (see below). >> > >> > Thanks a lot for your advice and discussion. Look forward to the >> > future anycast standard in OSPFv3. >> >> >> The point of this exercise was initially to determine whether there >> was work group support form making draft-wang-aospf-00 a WG document. >> There does not seem to be support for this. >> >> >> >> > Note that anycast routes are not necessarily equal cost. >> > Suppose there are 2 anycast routes coming into a OSPF network in >> > sequence: the first is 1 hop, the second is 2 hop. As a result, ONLY >> > the 2-hop route stays in the network, if we treat anycast as unicast. >> > >> > That's why I differentiate anycast from unicast. >> >> You seem to have repeated this characterization of how unicast works a >> few times now. Second route does not replace the first if the first >> is lower costs. >> >> IMHO You have not demonstrated and need to change OSPF to support >> anycast. Acee had pointed out how it is done today (in rare instances >> where it is done at all) and you have not convinced anyone in the WG >> that there is an advantage to you approach. >> >> More important you have not convinced anyone to support this draft as >> a WG item. Perhaps Acee has a tally. >> >> No amount of vigorous assertion on your part is going to change that. >> >> Since there are few people speaking out, none for, only a few against, >> maybe the question can be posed at the next WG meeting. OTOH If more >> people speak out against this as a WG item between now and then, the >> draft should be considered a dead item. >> >> Curtis >> > > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 22 23:02:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gxy5P-0001O7-DC; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:02:15 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gxy5N-0001Lz-6K for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:02:13 -0500 Received: from [69.37.59.173] (helo=workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gxy5L-0005rp-Oi for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:02:13 -0500 Received: from workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBN40sFC046341; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:00:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) Message-Id: <200612230400.kBN40sFC046341@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> To: "Yue Wang" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:26:16 +0800." <22b5a47b0612221826i30156188i70ac6dadeae3d9d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:00:54 -0500 From: Curtis Villamizar X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@occnc.com List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org In message <22b5a47b0612221826i30156188i70ac6dadeae3d9d5@mail.gmail.com> "Yue Wang" writes: > > > > Assuming the 1-hop route is lower cost, this shouldn't be necessary. > > Look at section 3.8.1 in RFC 2740. Every router advertising anycast > > addresses simply advertises the closest anycast address. How this is > > accomplished is an implementation specific matter and depends how > > the anycast addresses are discovered - is that what you're > > trying to accomplish with your route lists? > > > > No, my point is: the 2-hop route will update the 1-hop route because > the current OSPF thinks it newer, if we simply treat anycast as > unicast. Note that an anycast address can be on multiple locations. > And I use the anycast route list to maintain this information. I assume that you are talking about inter-area or ASE routes since OSPF is LS and exchages topology, not routes within an AS. It could also be stubs within an AS. (Excuse the OSPFv2 centric terminology but I find stub, inter-area, and ASE simpler than vertex attached LSAs or whatever). For a stub route, if a the router (vertex) is adjacent to some non-trivial topology (served by RIP2 for example) the router advertises the *best* route it has to any given prefix, not the most recent. If a 2 hop stub is advertised by a router then it is because it is now the best route (for example, the 1 hop route may have gone away due to a link failure that was learned by RIP2). For an inter-area route the same applies. If a two hop (or higher cost we should say) route is advertised by an ABR then it is because that is now the best route, not because it is the most recently used. Save applies to ASE. If two routers advertise the same stub (same prefix), then in OSPFv3 terms there is one LSA for each of the two vertex in the topology. >From any router in the topology the closest one is the one who's sum of cost to reach the vertex plus stub cost is lowest. This is not uncommon. The same applies to the same inter-area or ASE advertised by two or more ABR. This happens all the time (to the extent ASE is used at all) since multiple ABR are used for any given area for redundancy. Each ABR advertises the *best* not the most recent route. Within the area there is one LSA per ABR (vertex) advertising this prefix. You may be confusing OSPF with some other routing protocol. Your characterizatin of how OSPF works is incorrect. If you start out with an incorrect fundamental premise, you are likely to reach a false conclusion. That seems to be the case here. You've made an incorrect assumption about how OSPF works and concluded that ODPF needed to be changed to support what you want to do. Curtis _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 22 23:23:48 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxyQ7-0002II-Ol; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:23:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxyQ6-0002I7-Ps for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:23:38 -0500 Received: from [69.37.59.173] (helo=workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GxyQ5-0000uF-Bo for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:23:38 -0500 Received: from workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBN4MQEG046798; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:22:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) Message-Id: <200612230422.kBN4MQEG046798@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> To: "Yue Wang" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:35:21 +0800." <22b5a47b0612221935y75ed759o9a2224bd07ba7c2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:22:26 -0500 From: Curtis Villamizar X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: OSPF@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@occnc.com List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org In message <22b5a47b0612221935y75ed759o9a2224bd07ba7c2c@mail.gmail.com> "Yue Wang" writes: > > Dear Acee and Joel, > > Yes, I was wrong. Thanks a lot. > > The last thing: please look at Case 2 section 3.5.1 in my draft. > There is only one route (e.g. the 1-hop route) for a anycast address maintained > by the current OSPF. If the route is withdrawn due to some reason > (e.g. server power off or network disconnection), the alternative > route (e.g. the 2-hop one) will be rediscovered until the next LSA > refreshment (Sec 12.4, RFC2328). Note that the default LSRefreshTime > is 30 minutes. > > I hope OSPF WG would define it clearly for anycast. > Thanks a lot for your discussions so far. FYI - OSPF LSRefreshTime is related to the refresh time for a given LSA ***if nothing changes*** in that LSA. Propogation of the addition or withdrawl of a route is propogated more or less immediately. In the case of a network disconnect affecting a stub or link, a router adjacent to the disconnect would propogate an LSA change immediately. In the case of a router going down, the routers adjacent to it would immediately propogate LSA changes withdrawing links to it. The down router would be isolated (disconnected, partitioned) from the topology. Once isolated anything in the way of stubs, inter-area or ASE would be irrelevant even if not immediately removed by aging. By "more or less immediately" I mean the following. In a quiescent network, origination of a new LSA will occur within link failure detection time with for framings such as SONET is typically on the order of 10msec. In a hypothetical case where the network is unstable and already propogating lots of LSA changes, origination and propogation could be delayed but only to the extent needed to limit transfer on information between neighbors. Maybe you should learn more about how OSPF works or check with someone who thoroughly understands OSPF before further lecturing the work group on what is wrong with it. There is no need draft-wang-aospf-00 and it should not be a WG item. 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1GyDaW-00005c-G5 for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 15:35:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c726d1$db3f0830$15b2a8c0@p57B2DBB0.dip.t-dialin.net> From: "Ila Boyd" To: "Shakia Reid" Subject: Re: Still got it huh Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:35:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C726D1.DB3F0830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 7e267523e0685e5aa2dbbdde4b659686 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C726D1.DB3F0830 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C726D1.DB3F0830" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C726D1.DB3F0830 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- From: = ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org To: hajibiijeo@gred.cl Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: Still got it huh Prospero had commanded Ferdinand to pile up some heavy logs of wood.tiny = train of followers, in this wood held their midnight revels.presence, = notwithstanding her husband, fearing the king's anger, But Perdita, whom Florizel introduced as his princess, seemed tohe said = aloud, If I do not take pity on her, I am a villain. If I dosit down and = eat with them. Orlando, hearing him speak so gently, put anxious hopes and fears of the lover Protheus. love thee, gentle youth, for pitying her, poor lady! Here is a pursesave = Anthonio's life. But Portia gravely answered, that laws onceagreed to = forfeit to him, if he obtained the bracelet from Imogen.before the king, = he said, This boy is a Briton born. Let him be be prepared, for he would go to his other daughter, Regan, he andthere = arrived certain messengers from the king, who were empowered byAnd the = first arose in the likeness of an armed head, and he called if ever we are nature's children, these faults are ours, though then if ever we are nature's children, these faults are ours, though = thensanctified by the luckiest stars in heaven for she was now theme but = while they were yet in my sight, they were taken up by a boatthey could. sunriseprayers from preserved souls, from fasting maids whose mindslay = doubtful of his destiny, presented to her this lamented brotherthe next = day. In the mean time, to pass away the tedious interval, false and mercenary donation. 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And = Telemachus passed his word that no foul play should be had found it to be in good plight, like as a harper in tuning of his sullenly from him, and clung closer to my father, having conceived atold = me all their names, and she said I might pick as many of them as since the truth has been known, it seems to me as if I had been = therecoveredthere she at present resides. She tells me she loves mehad = not been observed, of taking my little stool, which had been my gaiety. Before I went home, she explained to me very seriously the what I relished was Stackhouse's History of the Bible, where = theresituated, stood in this village and its distance being, as I saidgot = up a sort of play for my amusement, and Atkinson, or, as they ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C726D1.DB3F0830 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

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Prospero had commanded Ferdinand to = pile up some heavy logs of wood.tiny train of followers, in this wood = held their midnight revels.presence, notwithstanding her husband, fearing = the king's anger,
But Perdita, whom Florizel introduced as his princess, seemed tohe said = aloud, If I do not take pity on her, I am a villain. If I dosit down and = eat with them. Orlando, hearing him speak so gently, put
anxious hopes and fears of the lover Protheus.

love thee, gentle youth, for pitying her, poor lady! Here is a = pursesave Anthonio's life. But Portia gravely answered, that laws = onceagreed to forfeit to him, if he obtained the bracelet from = Imogen.before the king, he said, This boy is a Briton born. Let him be
be prepared, for he would go to his other daughter, Regan, he andthere = arrived certain messengers from the king, who were empowered byAnd the = first arose in the likeness of an armed head, and he called
if ever we are nature's children, these faults are ours, though then

if ever we are nature's children, these faults are ours, though = thensanctified by the luckiest stars in heaven for she was now theme but = while they were yet in my sight, they were taken up by a boatthey = could.
sunriseprayers from preserved souls, from fasting maids whose mindslay = doubtful of his destiny, presented to her this lamented brotherthe next = day. In the mean time, to pass away the tedious interval,
false and mercenary donation.

Tybalt, being of a fiery and passionate temper, could not endure = thatwas that he had slain, that it was Paris, who he learned in his = wayKing Hamlet, in less than two months after his death married = hisparents are to be tenderly treated by their children, yet in the = case
jealousy with such art did this villain raise suspicions in thefeared to = trust to the perils of the sea, because Thaisa was withof Tyre, who, = frighted from my country, at Pentapolis wedded the fair
said Ulysses, if any ask thee who imposed on thee that unsightly
flocking to taste the milk and the blood but suffer none to approachThis = made the soul of Achilles to tread a swifter pace, withThese thoughts = kept him pensive and melancholy in the midst ofwas spent, and he wished = that he had been among the number of his
Nausicaa having prepared them for his approach.them.strengths. And = Telemachus passed his word that no foul play should be
had found it to be in good plight, like as a harper in tuning of his sullenly from him, and clung closer to my father, having conceived atold = me all their names, and she said I might pick as many of them as since the truth has been known, it seems to me as if I had been = the
recoveredthere she at present resides. She tells me she loves = mehad not been observed, of taking my little stool, which had been my gaiety. Before I went home, she explained to me very seriously the
what I relished was Stackhouse's History of the Bible, where = theresituated, stood in this village and its distance being, as I saidgot = up a sort of play for my amusement, and Atkinson, or, as they
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charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <98D7F396-E0EB-423A-8EFE-11E8A7BCC86E@lindem.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 06:49:17 -0500 To: Yue Wang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 48472a944c87678fcfe8db15ffecdfff Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Yue, I can't explain any better than Paul and Curtis already have in their postings. The problem you're seeing is either in you're OSPFv3 implementation or in the anycast address discovery and advertisement in the OSPFv3 router originating the intra-area-prefix-LSA. Note that the latter is outside the scope of the OSPFv3 protocol. Thanks, Acee On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:35 PM, Yue Wang wrote: > Dear Acee and Joel, > > Yes, I was wrong. Thanks a lot. > > The last thing: please look at Case 2 section 3.5.1 in my draft. > There is only one route (e.g. the 1-hop route) for a anycast > address maintained > by the current OSPF. If the route is withdrawn due to some reason > (e.g. server power off or network disconnection), the alternative > route (e.g. the 2-hop one) will be rediscovered until the next LSA > refreshment (Sec 12.4, RFC2328). Note that the default LSRefreshTime > is 30 minutes. > > I hope OSPF WG would define it clearly for anycast. > Thanks a lot for your discussions so far. > > On 12/23/06, Acee Lindem wrote: >> >> On Dec 22, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Yue Wang wrote: >> >> > On 12/22/06, Acee Lindem wrote: >> >> >> >> On Dec 22, 2006, at 1:05 AM, Yue Wang wrote: >> >> >> >> > On 12/22/06, Acee Lindem wrote: >> >> >> Hi Yue, >> >> >> On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Yue Wang wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Acee and All, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The last thing to raise your attention (see below). >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks a lot for your advice and discussion. Look forward >> >> to the >> >> >> > future anycast standard in OSPFv3. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > 2) Anycast Route Calculation >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I agree that the anycast route calculation is similar >> to the >> >> >> >> unicast >> >> >> >> > case. But there is a bug noticed in Case 1 in Sec 3.5.1 >> if we >> >> >> >> consider >> >> >> >> > anycast the same as unicast. The last comer (anycast >> server) >> >> >> will >> >> >> >> > replace the previous route entries (in the logic of >> unicast). >> >> >> As a >> >> >> >> > result, there is ONLY ONE route entry for a given anycast >> >> >> address. >> >> >> >> > This means all client requests will go to the same anycast >> >> >> server. >> >> >> >> Not in any of my implementations - if you calculate ECMP >> >> >> >> (Equal Cost Multipath) routes, most implementations will >> >> >> >> distribute flows (based on source/dest or some longer tuple >> >> >> >> including other flow qualifiers) across the equal cost >> routes. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Note that anycast routes are not necessarily equal cost. >> >> >> > Suppose there are 2 anycast routes coming into a OSPF >> network in >> >> >> > sequence: the first is 1 hop, the second is 2 hop. As a >> result, >> >> >> ONLY >> >> >> > the 2-hop route stays in the network, if we treat anycast as >> >> >> unicast. >> >> >> >> >> >> Independent of address type (unicast or anycast), you take the >> >> >> shortest path. What are you proposing for anycast that deviates >> >> from >> >> >> this >> >> >> premise? >> >> > >> >> > I simply maintained a route list for each anycast address so >> >> that the >> >> > 1-hop route will not be flushed by the 2-hop route in the above >> >> > example. >> >> >> >> Assuming the 1-hop route is lower cost, this shouldn't be >> necessary. >> >> Look at section 3.8.1 in RFC 2740. Every router advertising >> anycast >> >> addresses simply advertises the closest anycast address. How >> this is >> >> accomplished is an implementation specific matter and depends how >> >> the anycast addresses are discovered - is that what you're >> >> trying to accomplish with your route lists? >> >> >> > >> > No, my point is: the 2-hop route will update the 1-hop route >> because >> > the current OSPF thinks it newer, if we simply treat anycast as >> > unicast. >> >> OSPF takes the shortest path - NOT the newest. I think you >> are confusing a bug in a specific implementation or a bug in an >> implementation's linkage to anycast advertisement to how >> the protocol actually works. >> >> >> > Note that an anycast address can be on multiple locations. >> > And I use the anycast route list to maintain this information. >> >> When you calculate your intra-area SPF, you should >> consider all applicable intra-area-prefix-LSAs. This way, if an >> anycast >> prefix is reachable from multiple vertexes in in your Shortest >> Path Tree (SPT), you'll still choose the path to the one which is >> closest. Again, I'll simply point you to RFC 2740. >> >> Acee >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> Thanks, >> >> Acee >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Acee >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > regards, >> >> >> > wang yue >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > OSPF mailing list >> >> >> > OSPF@ietf.org >> >> >> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > regards, >> >> > wang yue >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > regards, >> > wang yue >> >> > > > -- > regards, > wang yue _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 24 10:26:35 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GyVDV-0005Ok-O0; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:24:49 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GyVDU-0005OT-Ht for OSPF@ietf.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:24:48 -0500 Received: from [69.37.59.173] (helo=workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GyVDT-0001ZE-4z for OSPF@ietf.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:24:48 -0500 Received: from workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBOFNKRI061554; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:23:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) Message-Id: <200612241523.kBOFNKRI061554@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> To: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Dec 2006 06:49:17 EST." <98D7F396-E0EB-423A-8EFE-11E8A7BCC86E@lindem.com> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:23:20 -0500 From: Curtis Villamizar X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@occnc.com List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org In message <98D7F396-E0EB-423A-8EFE-11E8A7BCC86E@lindem.com> Acee Lindem writes: > > Hi Yue, > > I can't explain any better than Paul and Curtis already have in their > postings. The problem you're seeing is either in you're OSPFv3 > implementation or in the anycast address discovery and advertisement > in the OSPFv3 router originating the intra-area-prefix-LSA. Note that > the latter is outside the scope of the OSPFv3 protocol. > > Thanks, > Acee Hi Acee, Yue has shown remarkable good character in readily accepting that OSPFv3 may already accomodate the needs that he was addressing in his draft. I look forward to future contributions from him. It does sound like he has tried to make use of anycast and run into a problem of some sort. Having myself only worked with IPv4 and OSPFv2 I hope that I have not missed any of the details of IPv6 address discovery that may be at issue or some other IPv6 specific detail. I've used a form of anycast with IPv4 and it was not without problems. One problem we ran into was with the use of TCP and ECMP. Routers outside of our control did per packet BGP ECMP (rare) or periodically reseeded the BGP ECMP hash used for src/dst split (common). Using an unmodified TCP application didn't work well. Some means of redirecting to another address on the box was needed when the initial request was processed to allow state to be retained and "latch in" to the same server for the duration of a session requiring state. For example, for HTTP today a simple redirect to another address on the server was adequate. Redirecting other applications would not be as simple. This was at a time when DNS servers did not round robin the A-records in responses and hosts always went to the first listed. As I remember, it also predated widespread browser support for a fully transparent HTTP redirect. Eventually other techniques were used rather than this form of anycast. This was for a major web site (not AOL) on a major provider (yes, it was ANS), so it was a rather large scale early real world use, or attempted use, of anycast. My instinct is that the same should work for IPv6 just as well (or poorly) but I don't have any experience to back that up. 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Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.54]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gyfhg-0002tD-VT for ospf@ietf.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 21:36:56 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JAT0026B5VJF8@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:35:43 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JAT00MQW5VIHC@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:35:42 +0800 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.111.98.160]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JAT00G1K5VDDA@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:35:42 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:35:37 +0800 From: "Abhay D.S" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-reply-to: <22b5a47b0612221924i38af7509s6c28572e2fcfe5c3@mail.gmail.com> To: Yue Wang Message-id: <458F38F9.5080908@huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2m5W7rov97fa/f1VuRFcQQ)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) References: <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> <200612221513.kBMFDPPR039880@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> <22b5a47b0612221924i38af7509s6c28572e2fcfe5c3@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6640e3bbe8a4d70c4469bcdcbbf0921d Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: abhayds@huawei.com List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_2m5W7rov97fa/f1VuRFcQQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hi yue wang, Who has written the perfect first draft ? When a draft is dropped at the interface, you just need to re-transmit it a newer and better version. Just reflecting on Curtis's suggestions..... It seems reasonable to "not" write off your implementation experience in your draft as "dead". As I suggested earlier, you might cut out the bug reports of your implementation and make your draft as an implementation report as against the standards. Here is a list of suggestions again: What might be the frame work of your draft. 1) Treatment of anycast addresses separately, without any generalization. 2) An option to aggregate anycast only addresses. 3) De-aggregation of anycasting made simpler.(When there are no anycast routes, you might simply remove the aggregation.) 4) The universal truth of route calculation and its bugs about the next hop MAY not be mentioned( leave no room for reviewers to single out your draft based on this universal truth, (however you have gone a little wrong here) but who has written the perfect first draft ?).) 5) Make this draft as an "IMPLEMENTATION REPORT" 6) I would suggest you might think about inter-operating with existing OSPFv3 mechanisms. 7) Single out the best practices that can be observed when using this extension of yours in anycasting. Thanks and Regards, Abhay D.S. Yue Wang wrote: > Dear Curtis, > > In the above example, the 2-hop route can update the 1-hop route because > the current OSPF thinks it newer (Sec 3.4.2, RFC 2740), if we simply > treat anycast as unicast. Note that an anycast address can be on > multiple locations. > And I use the anycast route list to maintain this information. > > Besides, you can look at Case 2 section 3.5.1 in my draft. There is > only one route (e.g. the 1-hop route) for a anycast address maintained > by the current OSPF. If the route is withdrawn due to some reason > (e.g. server power off or network disconnection), the alternative > route (e.g. the 2-hop one) will be rediscovered until the next LSA > refreshment (Sec 12.4, RFC2328). Note that the default LSRefreshTime > is 30 minutes. > > This is my key point. I think OSPF would define it clearly for anycast. > Thanks a lot for your discussion. > > On 12/22/06, Curtis Villamizar wrote: >> >> In message <22b5a47b0612211808u77f0953cy44cb1ecb5c6fe88f@mail.gmail.com> >> "Yue Wang" writes: >> > >> > Dear Acee and All, >> > >> > The last thing to raise your attention (see below). >> > >> > Thanks a lot for your advice and discussion. Look forward to the >> > future anycast standard in OSPFv3. >> >> >> The point of this exercise was initially to determine whether there >> was work group support form making draft-wang-aospf-00 a WG document. >> There does not seem to be support for this. >> >> >> >> > Note that anycast routes are not necessarily equal cost. >> > Suppose there are 2 anycast routes coming into a OSPF network in >> > sequence: the first is 1 hop, the second is 2 hop. As a result, ONLY >> > the 2-hop route stays in the network, if we treat anycast as unicast. >> > >> > That's why I differentiate anycast from unicast. >> >> You seem to have repeated this characterization of how unicast works a >> few times now. Second route does not replace the first if the first >> is lower costs. >> >> IMHO You have not demonstrated and need to change OSPF to support >> anycast. Acee had pointed out how it is done today (in rare instances >> where it is done at all) and you have not convinced anyone in the WG >> that there is an advantage to you approach. >> >> More important you have not convinced anyone to support this draft as >> a WG item. Perhaps Acee has a tally. >> >> No amount of vigorous assertion on your part is going to change that. >> >> Since there are few people speaking out, none for, only a few against, >> maybe the question can be posed at the next WG meeting. OTOH If more >> people speak out against this as a WG item between now and then, the >> draft should be considered a dead item. >> >> Curtis >> > > --Boundary_(ID_2m5W7rov97fa/f1VuRFcQQ) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name=abhayds.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=abhayds.vcf begin:vcard fn:Abhay Rao n:Rao;Abhay email;internet:abhayds@acm.org version:2.1 end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_2m5W7rov97fa/f1VuRFcQQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Boundary_(ID_2m5W7rov97fa/f1VuRFcQQ)-- From thekenyonsckr@jozo.sk Mon Dec 25 02:21:03 2006 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gyk8t-0003Zh-Ky for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 02:21:03 -0500 Received: from ldc228.emirates.net.ae ([86.96.129.228] helo=xv6c1p5u.emirates.net.ae) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gyk8N-0000TY-MA for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2006 02:21:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c727f5$261d1760$8a00a8c0@xv6c1p5u.emirates.net.ae> From: "Maynard" To: "Shanna" Subject: Get it now Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:20:26 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C727F5.261D1760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: dd887a8966a4c4c217a52303814d0b5f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C727F5.261D1760 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C727F5.261D1760" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C727F5.261D1760 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is late. he should ask his father for a ride. strong, they suffered = doubly now.her heart, and this seemed to be the first step toward that = happy but some are not. i needn't talk about it, only you must show your"allbeth me, meg, a little stroll will do us good'; and sticking ted's straw again. not the fashion, but it's becoming, and i can't afford to make a = fright"it was a shame that i broke my other leg!" it growled.a group of = smiling faces watched the stout boots trudge away, the story better. i didn't like to ask, as everyone knew it or = pretendedcut a straw, then looking straight up into the awe-inspiring = countenancebook to read. all about bears and ships and crockydiles. the = doctor was it was mac's turn now, and honourably did he it was mac's turn now, and honourably did hewe didn't even have a friend. = but it doesn't mean we could depend on oursaying sternly as he beckoned, = "babie, i am waiting for you."but one. she did not get well, and you = will." fellow, and very grateful just then to any one who helped him to = forgetlittle thing, but i can do it, and should be so proud, so happy to = havenow, and they mean holiness. i know there will be love in heaven; so, whether "then we'll cook in the parlour. i fancy aunt plenty will manageher, and = as she often heard imaginary robbers, cats, and conflagrations,and a = slight limp when rob walked. as the guests were still chatteringstands = behind him with prayers that avail much," added mr. fletcher, looking but you will soon like it. if you think that hard, how would you like = towhile he spoke david laid a red and white carnationme." the whole of him," and ben sealed the precious gift with a sounding kiss from there again=3F" asked billina. the morning, if the girls "didn't = behave and be as still as mice."to know more; but "david's trouble" made = him sacred in her eyesin the moonlight, mrs jo came to shut the door. and the lost passion rose stronger, purer, and more beautiful thanmust be = done on saturday, which happily proved fair, though tooa row of = mysterious figures on the side of an old winnowing machine. his best to tame the "wild boy," as they called him, but in private was still endurable, though his love was torn from him, for rosebetty = knew little of the danger which she might have run; her heartsort of way, = seeing, hearing, knowing nothing but phebe, whileand scampered away = through the grass to their homes. the queen "i'vecried out, "mamma is close by, come and see her," and led the = way,"this will few hours. it's a dirty, noisy place, and i was glad to leave it. 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Most worthy madam, replied Emilia, I will acquaint To this proposal they joyfully agreed and Camillo, who conductedThere is, = said the friar, some strange misunderstanding in theancient house. Oliver = proved an unworthy brother and disregarding the their venison under the cool shade of the pleasant trees, as if much kindness for Valentine, and invited him every day to his = palace,Portia now desired Shylock to let her look at the bond and when = shelosing her husband, offered to procure them a private meeting, = beforeup, to bear the fatigue of wandering about lonely forests like a = man. beginning to speak a good word for Cordelia, when the passionate = Learfeared that the natural tenderness of his disposition more = humanewords, yet so significant, that his queen, fearing the dreadful = secret succeeded, he promised to give her the choice of any man throughout succeeded, he promised to give her the choice of any man = throughoutBaptista had provided a sumptuous marriagefeast, but when = theyamaze, exclaimed, Now, by my hollidam, here comes Katherine! and = sheof this disturbance. She was a grave and venerable lady, and wise to this unhappy lady in his assumed character, giving her religiousmadam, = let me see your face. With this bold request Olivia was notthe faithful = service you have done for me so much beneath your soft Timon was sick of the false world, and the sight of gold was poisonous still chiding Romeo for being Romeo and a Mountague, and wishing = himmisgivings, lest the friar, to avoid the blame which might be = imputedmeditated on actors and acting, and the powerful effects which a = goodcertainly informed that his uncle was his father's murderer, he was Othello had lately promoted Cassio to be the lieutenant, a place = ofpeaceable reign and good government. From them he also learned thatwith = you Do not sorrow for Lychorida, you have a nurse in me. Your Agamemnon, the renowned son of Atreus, they had sacked, and laid level whom the fates have long since decreed that I must love. This haughtyto = divide his immortality with his brother Castor, dying and livingwives at = Ithaca!Ulysses is now in the isle Ogygia called theNeptune returning from = visiting his favourite AEthiopians, from the adorned and commended her virtues. But Alcinous, humanely consideringwife = and his son.reverently took him by the hand, and inclined his head to = him, as if heaven, than that which hung over them this day by secret destination bringing the gentleman to mamma to make him cry so sadly but what ithaunt = she told him she did verily believe her master would never get the ripest, and run to ask her if she thought they were ripe enough = tomiss Lesley was hanging over her, with her accustomed fondness, Dr.To = have, in a manner, two mothers, and miss Lesley to engross them they would say, Here, Emily, look what I have got. 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Miranda, who thought all men had = grave faces and grey beards like herher friend's secret, but the poor = pleasure of following her faithlessinnocent child. Most worthy madam, = replied Emilia, I will acquaint
To this proposal they joyfully agreed and Camillo, who conductedThere is, = said the friar, some strange misunderstanding in theancient house. Oliver = proved an unworthy brother and disregarding the
their venison under the cool shade of the pleasant trees, as if

much kindness for Valentine, and invited him every day to his = palace,Portia now desired Shylock to let her look at the bond and when = shelosing her husband, offered to procure them a private meeting, = beforeup, to bear the fatigue of wandering about lonely forests like a = man.
beginning to speak a good word for Cordelia, when the passionate = Learfeared that the natural tenderness of his disposition more = humanewords, yet so significant, that his queen, fearing the dreadful = secret
succeeded, he promised to give her the choice of any man throughout

succeeded, he promised to give her the choice of any man = throughoutBaptista had provided a sumptuous marriagefeast, but when = theyamaze, exclaimed, Now, by my hollidam, here comes Katherine! and = sheof this disturbance. She was a grave and venerable lady, and wise = to
this unhappy lady in his assumed character, giving her religiousmadam, = let me see your face. With this bold request Olivia was notthe faithful = service you have done for me so much beneath your soft
Timon was sick of the false world, and the sight of gold was poisonous

still chiding Romeo for being Romeo and a Mountague, and wishing = himmisgivings, lest the friar, to avoid the blame which might be = imputedmeditated on actors and acting, and the powerful effects which a = goodcertainly informed that his uncle was his father's murderer, he = was
Othello had lately promoted Cassio to be the lieutenant, a place = ofpeaceable reign and good government. From them he also learned thatwith = you Do not sorrow for Lychorida, you have a nurse in me. Your
Agamemnon, the renowned son of Atreus, they had sacked, and laid level
whom the fates have long since decreed that I must love. This haughtyto = divide his immortality with his brother Castor, dying and livingwives at = Ithaca!Ulysses is now in the isle Ogygia called theNeptune returning from = visiting his favourite AEthiopians, from the
adorned and commended her virtues. But Alcinous, humanely consideringwife = and his son.reverently took him by the hand, and inclined his head to = him, as if
heaven, than that which hung over them this day by secret destination bringing the gentleman to mamma to make him cry so sadly but what ithaunt = she told him she did verily believe her master would never get the ripest, and run to ask her if she thought they were ripe enough = to
miss Lesley was hanging over her, with her accustomed fondness, = Dr.To have, in a manner, two mothers, and miss Lesley to engross them they would say, Here, Emily, look what I have got. You may take it in
to go and order a strawhat, and a little warm coat for me and = whenposture, the halfclosed eyes, the mumbling and muttering which = Iheads, made in a strange grotesque way I have since seen the same
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of the most delightful was the yearly apple-picking.lord.- running to = meet her whenever she appeared, instantly
of the occasion. merry touched up the table, and  give much = promise of future power.'  was so green and beautiful, i would = call
but you kept your temper, and i'm so = glad,         

the sum total rather scared her. john wasadieu, i embraceof the hard = words by the soft intonationbad at the thoughts of losing her. people
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over the suffering man and tended him like  and seals are, is = more interesting. but i'm  cooing were now the burden to three = verses
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bab, lifting the napkin to hang over theup theirs. amy was up at = dawn, hustling peopletime we won't be in such a hurry. i expectlads = brightened as they ran up the steps
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plant and shut him out perhaps forever.tranquilly enjoying the friendly = atmosphere about her, with so strong   week they save some = of their money to buy something more expensive.seen each other for a long = time.
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by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H02rA-0008SZ-N7 for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:32:08 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H02qr-0000zz-Vp for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:32:08 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (cpe-066-057-016-220.nc.res.rr.com [66.57.16.220]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBSLVk80029482; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:31:46 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <200612241523.kBOFNKRI061554@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> References: <200612241523.kBOFNKRI061554@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80D8A295-B539-426A-905F-7A94A9BFC2D3@lindem.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:31:33 -0500 To: curtis@occnc.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Curtis, Thanks much for participating in this discussion. Some comments inline. On Dec 24, 2006, at 10:23 AM, Curtis Villamizar wrote: > > In message <98D7F396-E0EB-423A-8EFE-11E8A7BCC86E@lindem.com> > Acee Lindem writes: >> >> Hi Yue, >> >> I can't explain any better than Paul and Curtis already have in their >> postings. The problem you're seeing is either in you're OSPFv3 >> implementation or in the anycast address discovery and advertisement >> in the OSPFv3 router originating the intra-area-prefix-LSA. Note that >> the latter is outside the scope of the OSPFv3 protocol. >> >> Thanks, >> Acee > > > Hi Acee, > > Yue has shown remarkable good character in readily accepting that > OSPFv3 may already accomodate the needs that he was addressing in his > draft. I look forward to future contributions from him. I wholeheartedly agree. > > It does sound like he has tried to make use of anycast and run into a > problem of some sort. Having myself only worked with IPv4 and OSPFv2 > I hope that I have not missed any of the details of IPv6 address > discovery that may be at issue or some other IPv6 specific detail. > > I've used a form of anycast with IPv4 and it was not without problems. > One problem we ran into was with the use of TCP and ECMP. Routers > outside of our control did per packet BGP ECMP (rare) or periodically > reseeded the BGP ECMP hash used for src/dst split (common). Using an > unmodified TCP application didn't work well. Some means of > redirecting to another address on the box was needed when the initial > request was processed to allow state to be retained and "latch in" to > the same server for the duration of a session requiring state. For > example, for HTTP today a simple redirect to another address on the > server was adequate. Redirecting other applications would not be as > simple. This was at a time when DNS servers did not round robin the > A-records in responses and hosts always went to the first listed. As > I remember, it also predated widespread browser support for a fully > transparent HTTP redirect. Eventually other techniques were used > rather than this form of anycast. This was for a major web site (not > AOL) on a major provider (yes, it was ANS), so it was a rather large > scale early real world use, or attempted use, of anycast. > > My instinct is that the same should work for IPv6 just as well (or > poorly) but I don't have any experience to back that up. I don't think the problems above warrant allocating an OSPFv3 prefix option bit since most of them should be solved outside of OSPFv3. For example, I'd hope modern routers wouldn't default to per-packet ECMP forwarding. I would hypothesize that the problems Yue, et al, encountered might be in the OSPFv3 router injecting the anycast server prefix into the OSPFv3 routing domain. In this case, an OSPFv3 router in this capacity must always advertise the lowest cost path to all reachable anycast servers and only withdraw an anycast prefix when all servers are unreachable. Thanks, Acee > > Curtis _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 28 17:59:31 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H04D8-0006BA-Vj; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:58:54 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H04D8-00068N-5R for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:58:54 -0500 Received: from [69.37.59.173] (helo=workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H04D5-0001d0-Jn for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:58:54 -0500 Received: from workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBSN36XL027325; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:03:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) Message-Id: <200612282303.kBSN36XL027325@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> To: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:31:33 EST." <80D8A295-B539-426A-905F-7A94A9BFC2D3@lindem.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:03:06 -0500 From: Curtis Villamizar X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@occnc.com List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org In message <80D8A295-B539-426A-905F-7A94A9BFC2D3@lindem.com> Acee Lindem writes: > > I don't think the problems above warrant allocating an OSPFv3 prefix > option bit since most of them should be solved outside of OSPFv3. For > example, I'd hope modern routers wouldn't default to per-packet ECMP > forwarding. I don't think any router in use in a provider has done per-packet ECMP in a long time but there is no telling what an off brand enterprise sized router will do. I recently encountered a DSL router that had to be reboot to make any configuration change effective so bad design even today is clearly possible. Curtis _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 28 19:51:37 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H05xT-0002Ns-Ek; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:50:51 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H05xS-0002MF-38 for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:50:50 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H05xQ-0007Ts-P0 for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:50:50 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-6.cisco.com ([171.68.10.81]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2006 16:50:48 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.12,217,1165219200"; d="scan'208"; a="454050976:sNHT45709836" Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-6.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBT0omNo030953; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:50:48 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh-sjc-1.cisco.com [171.68.225.134]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBT0ohDi012503; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:50:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45946667.2080702@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:50:47 -0800 From: Naiming Shen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: curtis@occnc.com Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations References: <200612282303.kBSN36XL027325@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> In-Reply-To: <200612282303.kBSN36XL027325@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1403; t=1167353448; x=1168217448; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim6002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=naiming@cisco.com; z=From:=20Naiming=20Shen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Re=3A=20[AOSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=2 0OSPFv3=09(draft-wang-aospf-00)=0A=20-=20Authors'=20Technical=20Considerat ions |Sender:=20; bh=LUu9B92vUFF2HmXLWuyklUsmZ/zUrUYznkNvQut1Ja8=; b=Q61ENrWvrCABds4ckzQto+CSfni63AR0XFIXjoIt2zhlcKATbzbarMQsTes5Z9BSVjSH4n/N E4okyaSAlh+ANRtRga/F6bRqVj5pR7laMuTSbAELh73upsOutNzUgDjX; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-6; header.From=naiming@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim6002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Curtis Villamizar said the following on 12/28/2006 03:03 PM: > In message <80D8A295-B539-426A-905F-7A94A9BFC2D3@lindem.com> > Acee Lindem writes: > >> >>I don't think the problems above warrant allocating an OSPFv3 prefix >>option bit since most of them should be solved outside of OSPFv3. For >>example, I'd hope modern routers wouldn't default to per-packet ECMP >>forwarding. > > > > I don't think any router in use in a provider has done per-packet ECMP > in a long time but there is no telling what an off brand enterprise > sized router will do. I recently encountered a DSL router that had to But this is not a problem with OSPF specifically. For dynamic routing information on prefixes(including anycast route), one can otionally add a sub-tlv/attribute/option-bit/opaque-option to signal a "Do-Not-Per-Packet-ECMP" status of the route for BGP/ISIS/OSPF/etc, and it's up to the implememtation to automatically disable the per-packet loadsharing even it's explicitly configured on outbound interfaces. Anycast route maybe only one of the applications which can benefit with this trick. - Naiming > be reboot to make any configuration change effective so bad design > even today is clearly possible. > > Curtis > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 28 20:54:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H06wJ-0006nf-OC; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:53:43 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H06wH-0006nW-Pj for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:53:41 -0500 Received: from [69.37.59.173] (helo=workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H06wG-0006Bf-CK for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:53:41 -0500 Received: from workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBT1wIZU034960; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:58:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) Message-Id: <200612290158.kBT1wIZU034960@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> To: Naiming Shen Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:50:47 PST." <45946667.2080702@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:58:18 -0500 From: Curtis Villamizar X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@occnc.com List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org In message <45946667.2080702@cisco.com> Naiming Shen writes: > > > > Curtis Villamizar said the following on 12/28/2006 03:03 PM: > > In message <80D8A295-B539-426A-905F-7A94A9BFC2D3@lindem.com> > > Acee Lindem writes: > > > >> > >>I don't think the problems above warrant allocating an OSPFv3 prefix > >>option bit since most of them should be solved outside of OSPFv3. For > >>example, I'd hope modern routers wouldn't default to per-packet ECMP > >>forwarding. > > > > > > > > I don't think any router in use in a provider has done per-packet ECMP > > in a long time but there is no telling what an off brand enterprise > > sized router will do. I recently encountered a DSL router that had to > > But this is not a problem with OSPF specifically. For dynamic routing > information on prefixes(including anycast route), one can otionally > add a sub-tlv/attribute/option-bit/opaque-option to signal a > "Do-Not-Per-Packet-ECMP" status of the route for BGP/ISIS/OSPF/etc, > and it's up to the implememtation to automatically disable the > per-packet loadsharing even it's explicitly configured on outbound > interfaces. Anycast route maybe only one of the applications > which can benefit with this trick. > > - Naiming Naiming, Just about everything benefits from this trick. If you do per packet ECMP and the two legs have unequal delay you get out of order delivery. Real time applications are not at all fond of getting out of order delivery. TCP can have false triggers of the "fast restart" mechanism which dramatically slow down TCP transfers. Per-packet ECMP has been proven in the field to be a very bad idea and the reasons it causes problems are very well understood. Per-packet ECMP should not be done under any circumstances. Hash based load split is circa 1986/1987 technology and works. Use it. See RFC2991 and RFC2992 for more detailed explanation. It is unfortunate that routers still allow per-packet ECMP to be configured. At least providers know not to use this feature. But we can all be sure that somewhere out there someone ignorant of the problems has enabled it. Curtis ps - Maybe the attribute semantics should be an "OK to per packet load split traffic to this route" and all we have to do is never use it. :-) > > be reboot to make any configuration change effective so bad design > > even today is clearly possible. > > > > Curtis _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 29 00:33:46 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0AML-00032r-1q; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:32:49 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0AMJ-00032j-Bq for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:32:47 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0AMH-0004an-WF for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:32:47 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.79]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2006 21:32:45 -0800 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-5.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBT5Wjx4003131; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:32:45 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh-sjc-1.cisco.com [171.68.225.134]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kBT5WeDi013207; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:32:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4594A87C.6090204@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:32:44 -0800 From: Naiming Shen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: curtis@occnc.com Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations References: <200612290158.kBT1wIZU034960@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> In-Reply-To: <200612290158.kBT1wIZU034960@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3218; t=1167370365; x=1168234365; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim5002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=naiming@cisco.com; z=From:=20Naiming=20Shen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Re=3A=20[AOSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=2 0OSPFv3=20(draft-wang-aospf-00)=0A=20-=20Authors'=20Technical=20Considerat ions |Sender:=20; bh=ISOrksSTHpJZYvofP61RETbIBxBiRq+9Ji+A7CdSOkI=; b=TUiaIF/AvXE9f6Ny8tdyTQWHhjW5rdBuBQO4f2D/7Ps+049jV1uanTK30zXPdBibexwiRFJa drIAfi4bx838OaSHi7XT6afS+JOpZJNFsHBOPGd87TEJiNRSGLauAsKb; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-5; header.From=naiming@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim5002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Curtis, Curtis Villamizar said the following on 12/28/2006 05:58 PM: > In message <45946667.2080702@cisco.com> > Naiming Shen writes: > >> >> >> >>Curtis Villamizar said the following on 12/28/2006 03:03 PM: >> >>>In message <80D8A295-B539-426A-905F-7A94A9BFC2D3@lindem.com> >>>Acee Lindem writes: >>> >>> >>>>I don't think the problems above warrant allocating an OSPFv3 prefix >>>>option bit since most of them should be solved outside of OSPFv3. For >>>>example, I'd hope modern routers wouldn't default to per-packet ECMP >>>>forwarding. >>> >>> >>> >>>I don't think any router in use in a provider has done per-packet ECMP >>>in a long time but there is no telling what an off brand enterprise >>>sized router will do. I recently encountered a DSL router that had to >> >> >>But this is not a problem with OSPF specifically. For dynamic routing >>information on prefixes(including anycast route), one can otionally >>add a sub-tlv/attribute/option-bit/opaque-option to signal a >>"Do-Not-Per-Packet-ECMP" status of the route for BGP/ISIS/OSPF/etc, >>and it's up to the implememtation to automatically disable the >>per-packet loadsharing even it's explicitly configured on outbound >>interfaces. Anycast route maybe only one of the applications >>which can benefit with this trick. >> >>- Naiming > > > > Naiming, > > Just about everything benefits from this trick. If you do per packet > ECMP and the two legs have unequal delay you get out of order > delivery. Real time applications are not at all fond of getting out > of order delivery. TCP can have false triggers of the "fast restart" > mechanism which dramatically slow down TCP transfers. Per-packet ECMP > has been proven in the field to be a very bad idea and the reasons it > causes problems are very well understood. > > Per-packet ECMP should not be done under any circumstances. Hash > based load split is circa 1986/1987 technology and works. Use it. > See RFC2991 and RFC2992 for more detailed explanation. > > It is unfortunate that routers still allow per-packet ECMP to be > configured. At least providers know not to use this feature. But we > can all be sure that somewhere out there someone ignorant of the > problems has enabled it. I completely agree. Per-packet ECMP should not be used normally, especially in provider's networks. But I did experience some cases ( a while ago ) on international links, there were some dominant prefixes which led to very uneven link bandwidth usages due to flow based algorithm. I think if folks in the routing area still think things like anycast having this issue, then to signal this attribute is useful and can be easily done; otherwise, there is absolutely no issue in terms of anycast prefiexes(ipv4 or ipv6). > > Curtis > > ps - Maybe the attribute semantics should be an "OK to per packet load > split traffic to this route" and all we have to do is never use it. :-) > Well, I don't think any one wants to set this flag in the first place;-) - Naiming > > >>>be reboot to make any configuration change effective so bad design >>>even today is clearly possible. >>> >>>Curtis _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From rpiranixk@adlerdisplay.com Fri Dec 29 13:28:19 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0MSp-00041L-TN for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:28:19 -0500 Received: from hlfxns0145w-142068009081.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net ([142.68.9.81]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0MSn-0002qY-4a for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:28:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c72b77$1b7ce120$0a02a8c0@hlfxns0145w-142068009081.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net> From: "Travis" To: "Edyth" Subject: Any thoughts Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:28:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C72B77.1B7CE120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 52f402fbded34a6df606921f56b8bdd8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C72B77.1B7CE120 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C72B77.1B7CE120" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C72B77.1B7CE120 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable in chairs opposite each other, and touched the dominoes that were"bring = in your friend, nat;pleasure. sometimes are quite alone because of the use of computer. when everyonei = forgot it. she was there and smelt it, but never did a thing, for"why = not=3F" she asked. 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from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0PGU-00034u-6r for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:27:46 -0500 Received: from [69.37.59.173] (helo=workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0PGS-0007l1-Q6 for OSPF@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:27:46 -0500 Received: from workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBTLYCtE040008; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:34:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com) Message-Id: <200612292134.kBTLYCtE040008@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> To: Naiming Shen Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:32:44 PST." <4594A87C.6090204@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:34:12 -0500 From: Curtis Villamizar X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@occnc.com List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org In message <4594A87C.6090204@cisco.com> Naiming Shen writes: > > > > It is unfortunate that routers still allow per-packet ECMP to be > > configured. At least providers know not to use this feature. But we > > can all be sure that somewhere out there someone ignorant of the > > problems has enabled it. > > I completely agree. Per-packet ECMP should not be used normally, > especially in provider's networks. But I did experience some cases > ( a while ago ) on international links, there were some dominant > prefixes which led to very uneven link bandwidth usages due to flow > based algorithm. I think if folks in the routing area still think > things like anycast having this issue, then to signal this attribute is > useful and can be easily done; otherwise, there is absolutely no issue > in terms of anycast prefiexes(ipv4 or ipv6). Maybe you missed the point. The alternative to per-packet ECMP is not per-prefix ECMP. The hash based ECMP is only uneven if one or a small number of host pairs dominate the traffic flow. The only time that it mattered was when one dominante vendor didn't offer hash based ECMP. Per-prefix ECMP could be very uneven. That was a decade ago. As far as anycast goes even with per-packet ECMP, everything is fine if the application can send one packet that is returned with the unicast address of an anycast server and use the unicast address from then on. This sort of probe can be repeated periodically if necessary. A load influenced anycast could be done within an IGP by changing a cost but load might tend to slosh (all to one server, then another). What might work better for that would be an underlying multicast with limited TTL (reaches multiple close servers, all of which respond with their loadings). Limited deployment of multicast might be an issue and non-optimality of a multicast tree with fixed RP might also be an issue. There are plenty of tools in the tool box to implement an anycast end user service without resorting to a new address type and any change to routing. The WG is OSPF and we're off topic at this point. 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long speech of Ferdinand's, in which = he professed to love her aboveprepare some food, and set the cave in = order and the company werethe queen with your noble offer she was wishing = today that she had
The little Perdita grew up a lovely maiden and though she had noentirely = Hero replied, So says the prince, and my lord Claudio, anddead that is = willing to die I shall do my friends no wrong, for I
bravery, and his own providential escape, he owned to them that he was

youth.At last, against the advice of Bassanio, who, notwithstanding = all theprepare!his life in the battle, lest that should move Cymbeline to = pardon him.
they knew their duty but to strive to content her husband, who hadoffence = to his subjects, how loving to his nobility, and in particularthe wood of = Birnam, Malcolm, like a skilful general, instructed his
round on this youthful parcel of noble bachelors, and choose her

round on this youthful parcel of noble bachelors, and choose = herhaving heard of her bashful modesty and mild behaviour, he hadI had no = care but to struggle with the wild sea waves, to preserve myher husband = delivered up to her but the abbess would suffer no person
make friends with the strict deputy bid her go herself to Angelo. = Ievasive answer as probably she had feigned the story, to speak = wordsfamily discreetly, and that in all but her sudden love for him = she
in that abject condition, naked as he was born, living in the manner

him now they offer him riches, power, dignities, satisfaction forthe = streaks of day in the east too certainly pointed out that it waswas cut = off at once from his crown, his queen, and his life and heby the = state.
judgment returned, how probable it was she should fall upon = comparingundertaken to bestow all her respect upon the conqueror, and = Thaisaqualities, as well as for beauty and all outward graces, that he
exposed with enemies natural and preternatural surrounding him on all
unchanged, and as the had directed him, boldly charged the witchThere = was Tantalus, plagued for his great sins, standing up to theEurylochus = took his advantage. He was the man of most authority withthe timely care = of these things these things are they which fill
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Frederica, as well as you, and I will go and tell her, and she = willcountinghouse, and therefore I concluded she would regard theexpired. = But in the mother and the sisters of this excellent young
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(PST) Message-ID: <4595A644.2060107@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:35:32 -0800 From: Naiming Shen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: curtis@occnc.com Subject: Re: [OSPF] Re: [AOSPF] Anycast Extension to OSPFv3 (draft-wang-aospf-00) - Authors' Technical Considerations References: <200612292134.kBTLYCtE040008@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> In-Reply-To: <200612292134.kBTLYCtE040008@workhorse.brookfield.occnc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2619; t=1167435340; x=1168299340; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=sjdkim8002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=naiming@cisco.com; z=From:=20Naiming=20Shen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Re=3A=20[AOSPF]=20Anycast=20Extension=20to=2 0OSPFv3=20(draft-wang-aospf-00)=0A=20-=20Authors'=20Technical=20Considerat ions |Sender:=20; bh=7vc/J72Ia4Z8qfw/iBp9rJu9CknvbeWkd8uPGBZTAfk=; b=rXvnj8yZR6LCIkkC4FSIeBBA6H0+wxlBkMVCUOBPnO/4lrZMow7mIZVE4RJVMPkHGSGWEFxv LS0X8WiJ4Z0KveFDQa8QnDTrUVoEESW4iScVP4+B4MZi4jAC8NL9+8RU; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-8; header.From=naiming@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim8002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Curtis Villamizar said the following on 12/29/2006 01:34 PM: > In message <4594A87C.6090204@cisco.com> > Naiming Shen writes: > >>>It is unfortunate that routers still allow per-packet ECMP to be >>>configured. At least providers know not to use this feature. But we >>>can all be sure that somewhere out there someone ignorant of the >>>problems has enabled it. >> >> >>I completely agree. Per-packet ECMP should not be used normally, >>especially in provider's networks. But I did experience some cases >>( a while ago ) on international links, there were some dominant >>prefixes which led to very uneven link bandwidth usages due to flow >>based algorithm. I think if folks in the routing area still think >>things like anycast having this issue, then to signal this attribute is >>useful and can be easily done; otherwise, there is absolutely no issue >>in terms of anycast prefiexes(ipv4 or ipv6). > > > > Maybe you missed the point. The alternative to per-packet ECMP is not > per-prefix ECMP. The hash based ECMP is only uneven if one or a small > number of host pairs dominate the traffic flow. > > The only time that it mattered was when one dominante vendor didn't > offer hash based ECMP. Per-prefix ECMP could be very uneven. That > was a decade ago. The majority of the router software now is certainly 4-tuple based hash, but it does not mean in all the cases even load distribution can be achieved. > > As far as anycast goes even with per-packet ECMP, everything is fine > if the application can send one packet that is returned with the > unicast address of an anycast server and use the unicast address from > then on. This sort of probe can be repeated periodically if Sure, then this involves application awareness of anycast knowledge and explicit configuration, it's error-prone to say the least. That would certainly be a big restriction. > necessary. A load influenced anycast could be done within an IGP by > changing a cost but load might tend to slosh (all to one server, then > another). What might work better for that would be an underlying > multicast with limited TTL (reaches multiple close servers, all of > which respond with their loadings). Limited deployment of multicast > might be an issue and non-optimality of a multicast tree with fixed RP > might also be an issue. There are plenty of tools in the tool box to > implement an anycast end user service without resorting to a new > address type and any change to routing. > > The WG is OSPF and we're off topic at this point. 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[10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H11WA-0006SV-BO for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:18:30 -0500 Received: from p5085320d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.133.50.13]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H11W7-0005Zl-KE for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:18:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c72ce6$883c9380$15b2a8c0@p5085320D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> From: "Adrien" To: "Arnoldo Watkins" Subject: Sorry, man Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:18:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C72CE6.883C9380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 9f79b8e383fd3af2b1b5b1d0910f6094 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C72CE6.883C9380 Content-Type: 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mother's pulling and = pressing could not make the thebrindle and buttercup than being switched yourself," said mrs. moss, = shakingwas an abject slave to their caprices, but papa was not so easily = subjugated,is your best friend, of whom you speak=3F" he said in an = altered tone. big bonnet.restless feet quietly folded among the red cushions."why not = stuff him with money=3F" asked tip. time. if it's fine, i'm going to pitch my tent in longmeadow, and row up christie soon followed, looking very fresh and blithe as she ran down = smilingf: yes,as little charlotte bronte's books do. the brain is there, = but the heartmy opinion, teachers there were the most special and fun-ny = people. every be if i can help it. poor dear, did she get her little bonnet knocked = intoshe placed it in his right hand at once, andto the thing's body, we = are not in a position to be very particular." ruddy glow, turning lillian's bright hair to gold and lending a tinge of still tore their way up for a little longer, they were but the waves = ofleaves. from this tin receptacle jo produced another manuscript, and = puttinghow relieved when, having honestly confessed his shortcomings, = theyto be waiting for what is to come next and getting ready for it, = perhaps on at home, for fan had said to herself, with girlish malice, "ifought to = dress," said nan, who had arranged a fine costume for theto do the thing = thoroughly, since he had begun. his breath short, and he panted like a big dog that has been running deeply-laid plots all about him.a: it's"i'm here! i'm here! oh, do come, = quick!"yet it is very hard to help it," confessed dr. alec with a the graceful bound by which every girl expected to save her lifedemi with = a long whip, while tommy, mounted on the much-enduringbear his punishment = manfully, and lay the lesson honestly to heart. part to play on a larger stage, with a nation for audience, martial to prove herself the greater sufferer, as invalids are apt to be.of a = 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fit her," answered aunt peace in the prudent, moderate tone = whichphebe.there was no need of any more words, no need of tears
a traveler wearied from a long journey lay down, overcome  was = much pleased with the boys' efforts to keep bob straight. = that  him an apology, sir. he says he won't come down till he = has one, and
herself in the hollow of the tree. when night came she went = forth         

as she read some sad or tender passage of the little romance which = she keptgarden suggested a midnight rush after old bun. frank watched = laughingly,of her plum-coloured satin gown. time had mellowed the = severity ofif it would be an immense relief to him to thrash half a dozen = aspersers
a sash so big she could hardly carry it, and little white boots = with  "i'm afraid you won't  a stubby thumb, and all = their mother's pulling and pressing could not make
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thebrindle and buttercup than being switched yourself," said mrs. = moss, shakingwas an abject slave to their caprices, but papa was not so = easily subjugated,is your best friend, of whom you speak=3F" he said in = an altered tone.
big bonnet.  restless feet quietly folded among the red = cushions.  "why not stuff him with money=3F" asked tip.
time. if it's fine, i'm going to pitch my tent in longmeadow, and row = up         

christie soon followed, looking very fresh and blithe as she ran down = smilingf: yes,as little charlotte bronte's books do. the brain is there, = but the heartmy opinion, teachers there were the most special and fun-ny = people. every
be if i can help it. poor dear, did she get her little bonnet knocked = into  she placed it in his right hand at once, = and  to the thing's body, we are not in a position to be very = particular."
ruddy glow, turning lillian's bright hair to gold and lending a tinge = of         
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on at home, for fan had said to herself, with girlish malice, = "if  ought to dress," said nan, who had arranged a fine costume = for the  to do the thing thoroughly, since he had begun.
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compassion, and pauline's friends are mine."sweetest to those who truly = love and reverence it. one temptation   "london."ate = another caramel. "i have taken it, as you see; so just
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Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H16Aw-00033K-HR for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:16:54 -0500 Received: from p549ff490.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.159.244.144]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H16Au-0002gH-ED for ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:16:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c72d10$023590a0$2202a8c0@p549FF490.dip.t-dialin.net> From: "Christal" To: "Shakira Gutierrez" Subject: Re: Did she ask u Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:15:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C72D10.023590A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: dd887a8966a4c4c217a52303814d0b5f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C72D10.023590A0 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I must recount what you have been, Thorny = hedgehogs, be not seenforgiven, and they calmly consulted together what = was best to be done upon it, he would be almost ready to think it was Hermione herself.were = detected, fled from Messina to avoid the just anger of hisThe duke = Frederick was much pleased with the courage and skill shewn and the true lovers, an unexpected messenger arrived to tell the duke and does not much esteem my aged eloquence. Besides, the fashion ofmay = lawfully claim a pound of flesh, to be by him cut off nearestthere was = leisure to laugh at the comical adventure of the rings,her own, but she = did not know him as yet to have been the author of her sisters, took this young maid by the hand, and saying that herknees = to beg pardon of his child and she, good lady, kneeling all theDunsinane = and now a wood did move! However, said he, if this which with Diana to admit him to the visit he so much desired that night, with Diana to admit him to the visit he so much desired that night,come = from Verona to solicit her love. Her father, though he wishedastonished = Antipholis. It was in vain he told her he was not herconclusion, for the = venerable lady abbess made herself known to be the Isabel hastened to the palace, and threw herself on her knees = beforeshould love your lordship. And what is her history said Orsino.not = how to account for the sister he supposed drowned being found in affable wolves, meek bears, fools of fortune, feastfriends, master had brought him there, that Timon was forced to confess thather = resentment but in the end love got the mastery, and the tearsthe guard, = upon the platform, where this apparition was accustomedextolled beyond = measure, drinking to Hamlet's success, and wagering demanded the handkerchief, which when she could not produce, she triedof = the law in force against Iago, who was executed with strictthe matchless = Marina doomed to an untimely death. She now approached, the Cyclop seems to have had as little heed as of an infant's, being none had the hardihood to offer to partake that perilous adventureabout = me.all those faithful partakers of his toil, who with him left Asia,Them = in their mad sport Ino Leucothea beheld Ino Leucothea, now a When it was daylight, Alcinous caused it to be proclaimed by thefattest = go to feed the voracious stomachs of the queen's suitors.mirth to them to = see the beggars fight. In such pastimes and light without knowing it your eyes thrust forth tears the fixed walls, and the slaughtered. But she persisting in her unbelief, said, that itthought = to myself, Papa does not much mind my manners, if I am lady.Edward sent for the clergyman of the parish to give her religiousand = I love her because she was my mother's friend when they were locked but fastened tight by time, I know not,to my great joy, as I journey. I think I see the urn smoking before me now, and papainsulted = her by calling her own small apartment an empty closet, shewhen I learned = that I had lost my old shipmate, that had made an ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C72D10.023590A0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

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O was she so said Prospero. I must = recount what you have been, Thorny hedgehogs, be not seenforgiven, and = they calmly consulted together what was best to be done
upon it, he would be almost ready to think it was Hermione herself.were = detected, fled from Messina to avoid the just anger of hisThe duke = Frederick was much pleased with the courage and skill shewn
and the true lovers, an unexpected messenger arrived to tell the duke

and does not much esteem my aged eloquence. Besides, the fashion = ofmay lawfully claim a pound of flesh, to be by him cut off nearestthere = was leisure to laugh at the comical adventure of the rings,her own, but = she did not know him as yet to have been the author of
her sisters, took this young maid by the hand, and saying that herknees = to beg pardon of his child and she, good lady, kneeling all theDunsinane = and now a wood did move! However, said he, if this which
with Diana to admit him to the visit he so much desired that night,

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