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Hi OSPF,
   
  When there is no area configured on the ospf router (ospf instance) with router-id,   Should we need to generate AS scope LSAs ( External LSAs, Opaque LSAs) ?
   
  for example,
  !
  router ospf
  router-id 1.1.1.1
  !
   
  in this case , do we need to generate AS scope LSAs or not?
   
  what is the expected behavior?
   
  Please clarify the same.
   
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<div>Hi OSPF,</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>When there is no area configured on the ospf router (ospf instance) with router-id,&nbsp;&nbsp; Should we need to generate AS scope LSAs ( External LSAs, Opaque LSAs) ?</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>for example,</div>  <div>!</div>  <div>router ospf</div>  <div>router-id 1.1.1.1</div>  <div>!</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>in this case , do we need to generate AS scope LSAs or not?</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>what is the expected behavior?</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>Please clarify the same.</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>Regards</div>  <div>Sengottuvelan</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div><p>&#32;
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Hi,
   
   
  Ofcourse
  
 
  !
  router ospf
  router-id 1.1.1.1
  redistribute static | bgp | connected  << whatever.
  !
  
sengottuvelan srirangan <sengottuvelan_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Hi OSPF,
   
  When there is no area configured on the ospf router (ospf instance) with router-id,   Should we need to generate AS scope LSAs ( External LSAs, Opaque LSAs) ?
   
  for example,
  !
  router ospf
  router-id 1.1.1.1
  !
   
  in this case , do we need to generate AS scope LSAs or not?
   
  what is the expected behavior?
   
  Please clarify the same.
   
  Regards
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<div>Hi,</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>Ofcourse</div>  <div><BR>&nbsp;</div>  <DIV>!</DIV>  <DIV>router ospf</DIV>  <DIV>router-id 1.1.1.1</DIV>  <DIV>redistribute static | bgp | connected&nbsp; &lt;&lt; whatever.</DIV>  <DIV>!</DIV>  <div><BR><B><I>sengottuvelan srirangan &lt;sengottuvelan_s@yahoo.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</div>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">  <DIV>Hi OSPF,</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>When there is no area configured on the ospf router (ospf instance) with router-id,&nbsp;&nbsp; Should we need to generate AS scope LSAs ( External LSAs, Opaque LSAs) ?</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>for example,</DIV>  <DIV>!</DIV>  <DIV>router ospf</DIV>  <DIV>router-id 1.1.1.1</DIV>  <DIV>!</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>in this case , do we need to generate AS scope LSAs or not?</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>what is the expected behavior?</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Please
 clarify the same.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Regards</DIV>  <DIV>Sengottuvelan</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <div>  <HR SIZE=1>  Looking for last minute shopping deals? <A href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping">Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.</A>_______________________________________________<BR>OSPF mailing list<BR>OSPF@ietf.org<BR>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>&#32;
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I don't think Rfc 2328 made any recommendation on Rfc origination
scenario. There is no harm in delaying LSA origination until the time
they are really useful/required.=20

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But Personally I would originate LSA as soon as I can, this helps in
keeping better track of LSA age.

=20

Hope this helps

Nitin

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Hi OSPF,

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When there is no area configured on the ospf router (ospf instance) with
router-id,   Should we need to generate AS scope LSAs ( External LSAs,
Opaque LSAs) ?

=20

for example,

!

router ospf

router-id 1.1.1.1

!

=20

in this case , do we need to generate AS scope LSAs or not?

=20

what is the expected behavior?

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Please clarify the same.

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Regards

Sengottuvelan

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The Working Group Last Call has ended. We will be submitting the  
document to the AD for review prior to full IESG review.
Thanks,
Acee
Thanks,
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On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Acee Lindem wrote:

> Reminder - the OSPFv3 MIB Working Group last call will end January  
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> Thanks,
> Acee
> On Dec 18, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Acee Lindem wrote:
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>> As promised, we are announcing the OSPF WG last call for the  
>> OSPFv3 MIB. Since this is a rather large document and the holidays  
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>> end until 12:00 AM EST on January 21st. I'll send a reminder  
>> notice during the second week of January. However, I imagine many  
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>> cycles to review this document. Note that the target status of  
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Hi Acee,

Thanks a lot for shepherding this document so meticulously.

-Vishwas

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Hi Acee,

I wanted to know if this draft was backward compatible with current
implementation. If its not, I was also eager to know, if we have a way
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All,

I encourage people to read and send comments for the OSPF-MDR draft:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ogier-manet-ospf-extension-10.txt

So far, the following changes are planned for the February 25 deadline:

1. Add an option bit to the Hello TLV, which indicates whether
AdjConnectivity = 0 (no adjacency reduction).
A router always forms an adjacency with a bidirectional neighbor
that has set this bit.  As a result, interoperability is achieved
even if each router chooses AdjConnectivity and LSAFullness
independently of the other routers.

2. Clarify the rationale for selecting parameter values and
the fact that different routers need not select the same
parameter values for the new MDR parameters.

3. In the algorithm descriptions, instead of using the term
"neighbor" as an abbreviation for "bidirectional neighbor",
use the term "bi-neighbor".

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Hi Vishwas,

 From a protocol standpoint, it is completely backward compatible.  
OSPF routers not supporting the draft but receiving a multicast OSPF  
packet with a non-zero instance ID will simply treat it as an unknown  
AuType and fail authentication.

With this respect, RFC 2328 simply states:

  8.2.  Receiving protocol packets
                          o
                          o
                          o
  o   The packet must be authenticated.  The authentication
        procedure is indicated by the setting of AuType (see
        Appendix D).  The authentication procedure may use one or
        more Authentication keys, which can be configured on a per-
         interface basis.  The authentication procedure may also
         verify the checksum field in the OSPF packet header (which,
         when used, is set to the standard IP 16-bit one's complement
         checksum of the OSPF packet's contents after excluding the
         64-bit authentication field).  If the authentication
         procedure fails, the packet should be discarded.


And:

     D.5 Message verification

         When an OSPF packet has been received on an interface, it must
         be authenticated. The authentication procedure is indicated by
         the setting of Autype in the standard OSPF packet header, which
         matches the setting of Autype for the receiving OSPF interface.

         If an OSPF protocol packet is accepted as authentic, processing
         of the packet continues as specified in Section 8.2. Packets
         which fail authentication are discarded.

Speaking as a draft author (not OSPF WG Co-chair):

Unfortunately, some well-deployed implementations make a bigger fuss  
than is necessary when an authentication failure occurs. IMHO, now  
would be a good time to rectify this to lesses the impact should this  
draft be accepted as a standards track document. Of course, there are  
manual ways of segregating the multi-access networks to avoid down- 
level routers from receiving multicast packets for non-zero  
instances. Perhaps, we should discuss these in the draft and dispense  
with the more radical discussions of requesting new multicast  
addresses or other IANA code points.

Thanks,
Acee


On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote:

> Hi Acee,
>
> I wanted to know if this draft was backward compatible with current
> implementation. If its not, I was also eager to know, if we have a way
> for incremental deployment.
>
> Thanks,
> Vishwas


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well-deployed implementations make a bigger fuss than is necessary when =
an authentication failure occurs. IMHO, now would be a good time to =
rectify this to lesses the impact should this draft be accepted as a =
standards track document. Of course, there are manual ways of =
segregating the multi-access networks to avoid down-level routers from =
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deployment.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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Hi Acee,

Thanks a lot for the reply. The backward compatibility issue would
come unless there would be the case that the draft would not use
instance ID 0 (when working with a router not supporting the
functionality - where it would be treated as no instance - rather than
a particular instance). May be that could be clarified.

I understand what you mean - but would using LLS (which is now a part
of standards track now) be of any more help?

Thanks again,
Vishwas

On Jan 24, 2008 10:56 AM, Acee Lindem <acee@redback.com> wrote:
>  Hi Vishwas,
>
> From a protocol standpoint, it is completely backward compatible. OSPF
> routers not supporting the draft but receiving a multicast OSPF packet with
> a non-zero instance ID will simply treat it as an unknown AuType and fail
> authentication.
>
> With this respect, RFC 2328 simply states:
>
>
>  8.2.  Receiving protocol packets
>                          o
>                          o
>                          o
>  o   The packet must be authenticated.  The authentication
>        procedure is indicated by the setting of AuType (see
>        Appendix D).  The authentication procedure may use one or
>        more Authentication keys, which can be configured on a per-
>         interface basis.  The authentication procedure may also
>         verify the checksum field in the OSPF packet header (which,
>         when used, is set to the standard IP 16-bit one's complement
>         checksum of the OSPF packet's contents after excluding the
>         64-bit authentication field).  If the authentication
>         procedure fails, the packet should be discarded.
>
>
> And:
>
>
>     D.5 Message verification
>
>         When an OSPF packet has been received on an interface, it must
>         be authenticated. The authentication procedure is indicated by
>         the setting of Autype in the standard OSPF packet header, which
>         matches the setting of Autype for the receiving OSPF interface.
>
>         If an OSPF protocol packet is accepted as authentic, processing
>         of the packet continues as specified in Section 8.2. Packets
>         which fail authentication are discarded.
>
> Speaking as a draft author (not OSPF WG Co-chair):
>
> Unfortunately, some well-deployed implementations make a bigger fuss than is
> necessary when an authentication failure occurs. IMHO, now would be a good
> time to rectify this to lesses the impact should this draft be accepted as a
> standards track document. Of course, there are manual ways of segregating
> the multi-access networks to avoid down-level routers from receiving
> multicast packets for non-zero instances. Perhaps, we should discuss these
> in the draft and dispense with the more radical discussions of requesting
> new multicast addresses or other IANA code points.
>
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote:
>
> Hi Acee,
>
> I wanted to know if this draft was backward compatible with current
> implementation. If its not, I was also eager to know, if we have a way
> for incremental deployment.
>
> Thanks,
> Vishwas
>

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Hi Vishwas,

On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:28 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote:

> Hi Acee,
>
> Thanks a lot for the reply. The backward compatibility issue would
> come unless there would be the case that the draft would not use
> instance ID 0 (when working with a router not supporting the
> functionality - where it would be treated as no instance - rather than
> a particular instance). May be that could be clarified.
>
> I understand what you mean - but would using LLS (which is now a part
> of standards track now) be of any more help?

LLS is only for hello and DD packets. This is required for all OSPF  
packets. Also, I'd rather keep the solutions aligned with what we  
have today with OSPFv3. Furthermore, if there are implementations  
that gratuitously log authentication failures, there may be  
implementations that do the same for unrecognized LLS TLVs.

Thanks,
Acee

>
> Thanks again,
> Vishwas
>
> On Jan 24, 2008 10:56 AM, Acee Lindem <acee@redback.com> wrote:
>>  Hi Vishwas,
>>
>> From a protocol standpoint, it is completely backward compatible.  
>> OSPF
>> routers not supporting the draft but receiving a multicast OSPF  
>> packet with
>> a non-zero instance ID will simply treat it as an unknown AuType  
>> and fail
>> authentication.
>>
>> With this respect, RFC 2328 simply states:
>>
>>
>>  8.2.  Receiving protocol packets
>>                          o
>>                          o
>>                          o
>>  o   The packet must be authenticated.  The authentication
>>        procedure is indicated by the setting of AuType (see
>>        Appendix D).  The authentication procedure may use one or
>>        more Authentication keys, which can be configured on a per-
>>         interface basis.  The authentication procedure may also
>>         verify the checksum field in the OSPF packet header (which,
>>         when used, is set to the standard IP 16-bit one's complement
>>         checksum of the OSPF packet's contents after excluding the
>>         64-bit authentication field).  If the authentication
>>         procedure fails, the packet should be discarded.
>>
>>
>> And:
>>
>>
>>     D.5 Message verification
>>
>>         When an OSPF packet has been received on an interface, it  
>> must
>>         be authenticated. The authentication procedure is  
>> indicated by
>>         the setting of Autype in the standard OSPF packet header,  
>> which
>>         matches the setting of Autype for the receiving OSPF  
>> interface.
>>
>>         If an OSPF protocol packet is accepted as authentic,  
>> processing
>>         of the packet continues as specified in Section 8.2. Packets
>>         which fail authentication are discarded.
>>
>> Speaking as a draft author (not OSPF WG Co-chair):
>>
>> Unfortunately, some well-deployed implementations make a bigger  
>> fuss than is
>> necessary when an authentication failure occurs. IMHO, now would  
>> be a good
>> time to rectify this to lesses the impact should this draft be  
>> accepted as a
>> standards track document. Of course, there are manual ways of  
>> segregating
>> the multi-access networks to avoid down-level routers from receiving
>> multicast packets for non-zero instances. Perhaps, we should  
>> discuss these
>> in the draft and dispense with the more radical discussions of  
>> requesting
>> new multicast addresses or other IANA code points.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote:
>>
>> Hi Acee,
>>
>> I wanted to know if this draft was backward compatible with current
>> implementation. If its not, I was also eager to know, if we have a  
>> way
>> for incremental deployment.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Vishwas
>>


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Hi Acee,

I agree. The behavior of what needs to be done if one supports
instances and the other does not - retry without the instance field
set or not have adjacencies at all in such a case.

Thanks,
Vishwas

On Jan 24, 2008 11:43 AM, Acee Lindem <acee@redback.com> wrote:
> Hi Vishwas,
>
> On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:28 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote:
>
> > Hi Acee,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for the reply. The backward compatibility issue would
> > come unless there would be the case that the draft would not use
> > instance ID 0 (when working with a router not supporting the
> > functionality - where it would be treated as no instance - rather than
> > a particular instance). May be that could be clarified.
> >
> > I understand what you mean - but would using LLS (which is now a part
> > of standards track now) be of any more help?
>
> LLS is only for hello and DD packets. This is required for all OSPF
> packets. Also, I'd rather keep the solutions aligned with what we
> have today with OSPFv3. Furthermore, if there are implementations
> that gratuitously log authentication failures, there may be
> implementations that do the same for unrecognized LLS TLVs.
>
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
>
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Vishwas
> >
> > On Jan 24, 2008 10:56 AM, Acee Lindem <acee@redback.com> wrote:
> >>  Hi Vishwas,
> >>
> >> From a protocol standpoint, it is completely backward compatible.
> >> OSPF
> >> routers not supporting the draft but receiving a multicast OSPF
> >> packet with
> >> a non-zero instance ID will simply treat it as an unknown AuType
> >> and fail
> >> authentication.
> >>
> >> With this respect, RFC 2328 simply states:
> >>
> >>
> >>  8.2.  Receiving protocol packets
> >>                          o
> >>                          o
> >>                          o
> >>  o   The packet must be authenticated.  The authentication
> >>        procedure is indicated by the setting of AuType (see
> >>        Appendix D).  The authentication procedure may use one or
> >>        more Authentication keys, which can be configured on a per-
> >>         interface basis.  The authentication procedure may also
> >>         verify the checksum field in the OSPF packet header (which,
> >>         when used, is set to the standard IP 16-bit one's complement
> >>         checksum of the OSPF packet's contents after excluding the
> >>         64-bit authentication field).  If the authentication
> >>         procedure fails, the packet should be discarded.
> >>
> >>
> >> And:
> >>
> >>
> >>     D.5 Message verification
> >>
> >>         When an OSPF packet has been received on an interface, it
> >> must
> >>         be authenticated. The authentication procedure is
> >> indicated by
> >>         the setting of Autype in the standard OSPF packet header,
> >> which
> >>         matches the setting of Autype for the receiving OSPF
> >> interface.
> >>
> >>         If an OSPF protocol packet is accepted as authentic,
> >> processing
> >>         of the packet continues as specified in Section 8.2. Packets
> >>         which fail authentication are discarded.
> >>
> >> Speaking as a draft author (not OSPF WG Co-chair):
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, some well-deployed implementations make a bigger
> >> fuss than is
> >> necessary when an authentication failure occurs. IMHO, now would
> >> be a good
> >> time to rectify this to lesses the impact should this draft be
> >> accepted as a
> >> standards track document. Of course, there are manual ways of
> >> segregating
> >> the multi-access networks to avoid down-level routers from receiving
> >> multicast packets for non-zero instances. Perhaps, we should
> >> discuss these
> >> in the draft and dispense with the more radical discussions of
> >> requesting
> >> new multicast addresses or other IANA code points.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Acee
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Acee,
> >>
> >> I wanted to know if this draft was backward compatible with current
> >> implementation. If its not, I was also eager to know, if we have a
> >> way
> >> for incremental deployment.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Vishwas
> >>
>
>

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Have you had a MIB Dr look at it? can you complete the proto writeup?

On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Acee Lindem wrote:

> The Working Group Last Call has ended. We will be submitting the  
> document to the AD for review prior to full IESG review.
> Thanks,
> Acee
> Thanks,
> Acee
> On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Acee Lindem wrote:
>
>> Reminder - the OSPFv3 MIB Working Group last call will end January  
>> 21st.
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Acee Lindem wrote:
>>
>>> As promised, we are announcing the OSPF WG last call for the  
>>> OSPFv3 MIB. Since this is a rather large document and the  
>>> holidays are almost upon us, the WG last call will start now and  
>>> will not end until 12:00 AM EST on January 21st. I'll send a  
>>> reminder notice during the second week of January. However, I  
>>> imagine many of you will be idle over the holidays and may have  
>>> some spare cycles to review this document. Note that the target  
>>> status of this document is Proposed Standard and that it is  
>>> analogous to the OSPFv2 MIB as defined in RFC 4750.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Acee
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On Jan 24, 2008, at 4:34 PM, David Ward wrote:

> Have you had a MIB Dr look at it?

We used to depend on Bill - aren't you going to follow in his  
footsteps :^)? More seriously, I'll ask Bert if he can suggest someone.

> can you complete the proto writeup?

Yes.

Thanks,
Acee


>
> On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Acee Lindem wrote:
>
>> The Working Group Last Call has ended. We will be submitting the  
>> document to the AD for review prior to full IESG review.
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>> On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Acee Lindem wrote:
>>
>>> Reminder - the OSPFv3 MIB Working Group last call will end  
>>> January 21st.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Acee
>>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Acee Lindem wrote:
>>>
>>>> As promised, we are announcing the OSPF WG last call for the  
>>>> OSPFv3 MIB. Since this is a rather large document and the  
>>>> holidays are almost upon us, the WG last call will start now and  
>>>> will not end until 12:00 AM EST on January 21st. I'll send a  
>>>> reminder notice during the second week of January. However, I  
>>>> imagine many of you will be idle over the holidays and may have  
>>>> some spare cycles to review this document. Note that the target  
>>>> status of this document is Proposed Standard and that it is  
>>>> analogous to the OSPFv2 MIB as defined in RFC 4750.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
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Hi Vishwas=20

->-----Original Message-----
->From: Vishwas Manral [mailto:vishwas.ietf@gmail.com]=20
->Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:28 AM
->To: Acee Lindem
->Cc: OSPF List
->Subject: [OSPF] Re: draft-acee-ospf-multi-instance-00
->
->Hi Acee,
->
->Thanks a lot for the reply. The backward compatibility issue=20
->would come unless there would be the case that the draft=20
->would not use instance ID 0 (when working with a router not=20
->supporting the functionality - where it would be treated as=20
->no instance - rather than a particular instance). May be that=20
->could be clarified.

The instance 0 is simply a reserved instance to interact with legacy
routers. Note that the reception of the OSPF packet with instance ID
field set to 0, cannot (and need not) imply if the remote router is /
'is not' Instance capable. If such a capability discovery is a
requirement, the Instance ID can be carried in Hello using LLS..

Thanks
Sina

->
->I understand what you mean - but would using LLS (which is=20
->now a part of standards track now) be of any more help?
->
->Thanks again,
->Vishwas
->
->On Jan 24, 2008 10:56 AM, Acee Lindem <acee@redback.com> wrote:
->>  Hi Vishwas,
->>
->> From a protocol standpoint, it is completely backward=20
->compatible. OSPF=20
->> routers not supporting the draft but receiving a multicast=20
->OSPF packet=20
->> with a non-zero instance ID will simply treat it as an=20
->unknown AuType=20
->> and fail authentication.
->>
->> With this respect, RFC 2328 simply states:
->>
->>
->>  8.2.  Receiving protocol packets
->>                          o
->>                          o
->>                          o
->>  o   The packet must be authenticated.  The authentication
->>        procedure is indicated by the setting of AuType (see
->>        Appendix D).  The authentication procedure may use one or
->>        more Authentication keys, which can be configured on a per-
->>         interface basis.  The authentication procedure may also
->>         verify the checksum field in the OSPF packet header (which,
->>         when used, is set to the standard IP 16-bit one's complement
->>         checksum of the OSPF packet's contents after excluding the
->>         64-bit authentication field).  If the authentication
->>         procedure fails, the packet should be discarded.
->>
->>
->> And:
->>
->>
->>     D.5 Message verification
->>
->>         When an OSPF packet has been received on an=20
->interface, it must
->>         be authenticated. The authentication procedure is=20
->indicated by
->>         the setting of Autype in the standard OSPF packet=20
->header, which
->>         matches the setting of Autype for the receiving=20
->OSPF interface.
->>
->>         If an OSPF protocol packet is accepted as=20
->authentic, processing
->>         of the packet continues as specified in Section 8.2. Packets
->>         which fail authentication are discarded.
->>
->> Speaking as a draft author (not OSPF WG Co-chair):
->>
->> Unfortunately, some well-deployed implementations make a=20
->bigger fuss=20
->> than is necessary when an authentication failure occurs. IMHO, now=20
->> would be a good time to rectify this to lesses the impact=20
->should this=20
->> draft be accepted as a standards track document. Of course,=20
->there are=20
->> manual ways of segregating the multi-access networks to avoid=20
->> down-level routers from receiving multicast packets for non-zero=20
->> instances. Perhaps, we should discuss these in the draft=20
->and dispense=20
->> with the more radical discussions of requesting new=20
->multicast addresses or other IANA code points.
->>
->> Thanks,
->> Acee
->>
->>
->>
->>
->> On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote:
->>
->> Hi Acee,
->>
->> I wanted to know if this draft was backward compatible with current=20
->> implementation. If its not, I was also eager to know, if we=20
->have a way=20
->> for incremental deployment.
->>
->> Thanks,
->> Vishwas
->>
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On Jan 24, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote:

> Hi Acee,
>
> I agree. The behavior of what needs to be done if one supports
> instances and the other does not - retry without the instance field
> set or not have adjacencies at all in such a case.

Hi Vishwas,

I hope the draft isn't this confusing. We don't want routers that  
don't support the draft to do anything. They just happen to get OSPF  
packets multicast on broadcast interfaces sent to  
224.0.0.5/224.0.0.6. These OSPF router will still be able to use the  
standard instance (i.e., 0). For non-zero instances, these routers  
will drop the packets due to authentication failures. Unfortunately,  
some routers will also fill their logs with errors.

Thanks,
Acee




>
> Thanks,
> Vishwas
>
> On Jan 24, 2008 11:43 AM, Acee Lindem <acee@redback.com> wrote:
>> Hi Vishwas,
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:28 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Acee,
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for the reply. The backward compatibility issue would
>>> come unless there would be the case that the draft would not use
>>> instance ID 0 (when working with a router not supporting the
>>> functionality - where it would be treated as no instance - rather  
>>> than
>>> a particular instance). May be that could be clarified.
>>>
>>> I understand what you mean - but would using LLS (which is now a  
>>> part
>>> of standards track now) be of any more help?
>>
>> LLS is only for hello and DD packets. This is required for all OSPF
>> packets. Also, I'd rather keep the solutions aligned with what we
>> have today with OSPFv3. Furthermore, if there are implementations
>> that gratuitously log authentication failures, there may be
>> implementations that do the same for unrecognized LLS TLVs.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Vishwas
>>>
>>> On Jan 24, 2008 10:56 AM, Acee Lindem <acee@redback.com> wrote:
>>>>  Hi Vishwas,
>>>>
>>>> From a protocol standpoint, it is completely backward compatible.
>>>> OSPF
>>>> routers not supporting the draft but receiving a multicast OSPF
>>>> packet with
>>>> a non-zero instance ID will simply treat it as an unknown AuType
>>>> and fail
>>>> authentication.
>>>>
>>>> With this respect, RFC 2328 simply states:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  8.2.  Receiving protocol packets
>>>>                          o
>>>>                          o
>>>>                          o
>>>>  o   The packet must be authenticated.  The authentication
>>>>        procedure is indicated by the setting of AuType (see
>>>>        Appendix D).  The authentication procedure may use one or
>>>>        more Authentication keys, which can be configured on a per-
>>>>         interface basis.  The authentication procedure may also
>>>>         verify the checksum field in the OSPF packet header (which,
>>>>         when used, is set to the standard IP 16-bit one's  
>>>> complement
>>>>         checksum of the OSPF packet's contents after excluding the
>>>>         64-bit authentication field).  If the authentication
>>>>         procedure fails, the packet should be discarded.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     D.5 Message verification
>>>>
>>>>         When an OSPF packet has been received on an interface, it
>>>> must
>>>>         be authenticated. The authentication procedure is
>>>> indicated by
>>>>         the setting of Autype in the standard OSPF packet header,
>>>> which
>>>>         matches the setting of Autype for the receiving OSPF
>>>> interface.
>>>>
>>>>         If an OSPF protocol packet is accepted as authentic,
>>>> processing
>>>>         of the packet continues as specified in Section 8.2.  
>>>> Packets
>>>>         which fail authentication are discarded.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking as a draft author (not OSPF WG Co-chair):
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, some well-deployed implementations make a bigger
>>>> fuss than is
>>>> necessary when an authentication failure occurs. IMHO, now would
>>>> be a good
>>>> time to rectify this to lesses the impact should this draft be
>>>> accepted as a
>>>> standards track document. Of course, there are manual ways of
>>>> segregating
>>>> the multi-access networks to avoid down-level routers from  
>>>> receiving
>>>> multicast packets for non-zero instances. Perhaps, we should
>>>> discuss these
>>>> in the draft and dispense with the more radical discussions of
>>>> requesting
>>>> new multicast addresses or other IANA code points.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Acee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Vishwas Manral wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Acee,
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to know if this draft was backward compatible with current
>>>> implementation. If its not, I was also eager to know, if we have a
>>>> way
>>>> for incremental deployment.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Vishwas
>>>>
>>
>>


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In Vancouver there was a vote for production of a more up to date OSPF
BCP containing general guidance to reduce unnecessary LSA2 generation,
and to re-scale perceptions of the protocol performance and
capabilities.

=20

Are there any thoughts?

=20

*Dave W. can I move forward with this? There seemed an overwhelming vote
that something more modern could be done and that this looks like a good
idea. *Abhay would you like to co-author this if we go ahead?

=20

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Hi Thomas,

Can you explain the details of what the discussion was about? Not
everyone was present at the Vancouver meeting.

Thanks,
Vishwas

On Jan 29, 2008 11:34 AM, Thomas, Matthew R <mrthom@essex.ac.uk> wrote:
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>
>
>
> Hi WG,
>
>
>
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> re-scale perceptions of the protocol performance and capabilities.
>
>
>
> Are there any thoughts?
>
>
>
> *Dave W. can I move forward with this? There seemed an overwhelming vote
> that something more modern could be done and that this looks like a good
> idea. *Abhay would you like to co-author this if we go ahead?
>
>
>
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Hi Vishwas,

The audio is still available I think. The discussion was concerning an
up to date guidance doc for rolling out networks / choice of areas or
not/ link types etc, to give Industry some guidelines. This would also
incorporate the general themes behind ospf-lite (removal of redundant
LSAs) but without protocol changes. Standard Best Current Practise doc.

Matthew R Thomas


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Hi Thomas,

Can you explain the details of what the discussion was about? Not
everyone was present at the Vancouver meeting.

Thanks,
Vishwas

On Jan 29, 2008 11:34 AM, Thomas, Matthew R <mrthom@essex.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi WG,
>
>
>
> In Vancouver there was a vote for production of a more up to date OSPF
BCP
> containing general guidance to reduce unnecessary LSA2 generation, and
to
> re-scale perceptions of the protocol performance and capabilities.
>
>
>
> Are there any thoughts?
>
>
>
> *Dave W. can I move forward with this? There seemed an overwhelming
vote
> that something more modern could be done and that this looks like a
good
> idea. *Abhay would you like to co-author this if we go ahead?
>
>
>
> Matthew R Thomas
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Folks,
This is a new cut of the draft I presented in Vancouver.  We'd
like to get this adopted as a WG item and request feedback from
the WG.  Comments welcome!

-danny

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> 	Title           : Dynamic Hostname Exchange Mechanism for OSPF
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> 	Date            : 2008-01-29
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Danny,
  I have couple of comments
  1) IMHO we need to explicitly define flooding scope for RI
information,=20
  2) We need to define selection/priority rules when multiple hostnames
map to a single router-id (again tagged to flooding scope). IMHO it is
possible that some routers have same router id within AS/Area/Link.

On the side note, During Chicago IETF there were some
discussions/concerns about impact of non routing information on ospf
convergence. And one of the proposals was separation of routing & non
routing information.
I think Now is the time to put a process in place, IMHO In documents we
can explicitly specify TLV's as routing or non routing, Cases like RI
are fairly obvious, but some where down the road we might have
extension's that may not be so obvious, so its better to mark tlv as
routing/non routing.
Just my 2cents, I am sure Acee & other can chip in with their $$

Regards
Nitin
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Folks,
This is a new cut of the draft I presented in Vancouver.  We'd
like to get this adopted as a WG item and request feedback from
the WG.  Comments welcome!

-danny

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> 	Title           : Dynamic Hostname Exchange Mechanism for OSPF
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On Jan 29, 2008, at 10:22 PM, Nitin Kakkar wrote:

> Danny,
>   I have couple of comments
>   1) IMHO we need to explicitly define flooding scope for RI
> information,

What explicitly beyond the current text were you hoping to see?

    The flooding scope is controlled by
    the Opaque LSA type in OSPFv2 and by the S1 and S2 bits in OSPFv3.
    For area scope, the Dynamic Hostname TLV MUST be carried within an
    OSPFv2 Type 10 RI LSA or an OSPFv3 RI LSA with the S1 bit set and S2
    bit clear.  If the flooding scope is the entire routing domain (AS
    scope), the Dynamic Hostname TLV MUST be carried within an OSPFv2
    Type 11 RI LSA or OSPFv3 RI LSA with the S1 bit clear and the S2 bit
    set.  An AS boundary router (ASBR) may choose to send an AS scope
    Dynamic Hostname TLV, whereas area boundary router (ABRs) and
    internal routers may choose to send an area scope Dynamic Hostname
    TLV.  If a router originates Dynamic Hostname TLVs with an IGP  
domain
    (AS) flooding scope, it MAY omit sending area-scoped Dynamic  
Hostname
    TLVs.

>   2) We need to define selection/priority rules when multiple  
> hostnames
> map to a single router-id (again tagged to flooding scope). IMHO it is
> possible that some routers have same router id within AS/Area/Link.

Really? RFC 2328:

         Router ID
             A 32-bit number assigned to each router running the OSPF
             protocol.  This number uniquely identifies the router  
within
             an Autonomous System.

Am I misinterpreting your comment here?


> On the side note, During Chicago IETF there were some
> discussions/concerns about impact of non routing information on ospf
> convergence. And one of the proposals was separation of routing & non
> routing information.
> I think Now is the time to put a process in place, IMHO In  
> documents we
> can explicitly specify TLV's as routing or non routing, Cases like RI
> are fairly obvious, but some where down the road we might have
> extension's that may not be so obvious, so its better to mark tlv as
> routing/non routing.

While I agree, I'm not sure there's anything we explicitly need to
do here, in particular given that we're employing an RI Opaque
LSA for this purpose.  Do you have something specific in mind?

> Just my 2cents, I am sure Acee & other can chip in with their $$

Thanks for the feedback!

-danny

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>   1) IMHO we need to explicitly define flooding scope for RI
> information,

Danny> What explicitly beyond the current text were you hoping to see?

Nitin> Extremely sorry about this comment, I completely missed that
section,=20


>   2) We need to define selection/priority rules when multiple =20
> hostnames
> map to a single router-id (again tagged to flooding scope). IMHO it is
> possible that some routers have same router id within AS/Area/Link.


Danny>Am I misinterpreting your comment here?
              =20
Nitin>  R-----A--(Area 0)---B-----R
Here Router id R is reused in 2 different routers, those routers never
need to form adjacency with each other so Adjacencies are fine. Can such
conditions arise for RI LSA ?

Thanks & Regards
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On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Nitin Kakkar wrote:
>
> Nitin>  R-----A--(Area 0)---B-----R
> Here Router id R is reused in 2 different routers, those routers never
> need to form adjacency with each other so Adjacencies are fine. Can  
> such
> conditions arise for RI LSA ?

I wouldn't think so, as all the routers are still in the
same autonomous system and the Router ID values
should be unique within it.  As such, I'd consider the
collision of Router IDs (R) a misconfiguration itself.

-danny
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