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During the recent IESG review of this draft, it was mentioned
that there are no known implementations of this database
exchange optimization (other than the OSPF-MDR implementation
available from Boeing).  It is trivial to modify an existing
OSPF implementation to use this optimization, and I am including
a patch below for the Quagga 0.99.9 implementation of OSPFv3.
This patch was tested using the GTNetS simulator.

You can download the source code for Quagga 0.99.9 at
http://www.quagga.net/download/

To incorporate the optimization, put the "diff" code below in
a file called "patch_file" (you might have to correct any
wraparound), and apply the patch to the file

quagga-0.99.9/ospf6d/ospf6_message.c

I.e., go to the above directory and run

patch ospf6_message.c < patch_file

To activate the optimization, you must define DBEX_OPT.

Richard

558a559,572
 >
 > #ifdef DBEX_OPT  // From draft-ietf-ospf-dbex-opt
 >       // If his is newer or same as mine, then remove mine
 >       // from summary_list for neighbor
 >       struct ospf6_lsa *mine_summary;
 >       if (mine != NULL && ospf6_lsa_compare (his, mine) <= 0)
 >       {
 >         mine_summary = ospf6_lsdb_lookup (his->header->type, 
his->header->id,
 >                                   his->header->adv_router, 
on->summary_list);
 >         if (mine_summary)
 >       ospf6_lsdb_remove (mine_summary, on->summary_list);
 >       }
 > #endif // DBEX_OPT
 >
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 >
 > #ifdef DBEX_OPT  // From draft-ietf-ospf-dbex-opt
 >       // If his is newer or same as mine, then remove mine
 >       // from summary_list for neighbor
 >       struct ospf6_lsa *mine_summary;
 >       if (mine != NULL && ospf6_lsa_compare (his, mine) <= 0)
 >       {
 >         mine_summary = ospf6_lsdb_lookup (his->header->type, 
his->header->id,
 >                                   his->header->adv_router, 
on->summary_list);
 >         if (mine_summary)
 >       ospf6_lsdb_remove (mine_summary, on->summary_list);
 >       }
 > #endif // DBEX_OPT
 >
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Hi Richard,

I think the draft is good and helpful.

Besides the changes already mentioned below, one more point that could
help is to actually send the LSA's in DB description packets in
different orders. If we probably run between two similar
implementations and bring up a new link between two routers (which are
already in connected in the same area - the optimization may not
help).

Thanks,
Vishwas

On undefined, Richard Ogier <ogier@earthlink.net> wrote:
> During the recent IESG review of this draft, it was mentioned
>  that there are no known implementations of this database
>  exchange optimization (other than the OSPF-MDR implementation
>  available from Boeing).  It is trivial to modify an existing
>  OSPF implementation to use this optimization, and I am including
>  a patch below for the Quagga 0.99.9 implementation of OSPFv3.
>  This patch was tested using the GTNetS simulator.
>
>  You can download the source code for Quagga 0.99.9 at
>  http://www.quagga.net/download/
>
>  To incorporate the optimization, put the "diff" code below in
>  a file called "patch_file" (you might have to correct any
>  wraparound), and apply the patch to the file
>
>  quagga-0.99.9/ospf6d/ospf6_message.c
>
>  I.e., go to the above directory and run
>
>  patch ospf6_message.c < patch_file
>
>  To activate the optimization, you must define DBEX_OPT.
>
>  Richard
>
>  558a559,572
>   >
>   > #ifdef DBEX_OPT  // From draft-ietf-ospf-dbex-opt
>   >       // If his is newer or same as mine, then remove mine
>   >       // from summary_list for neighbor
>   >       struct ospf6_lsa *mine_summary;
>   >       if (mine != NULL && ospf6_lsa_compare (his, mine) <= 0)
>   >       {
>   >         mine_summary = ospf6_lsdb_lookup (his->header->type,
>  his->header->id,
>   >                                   his->header->adv_router,
>  on->summary_list);
>   >         if (mine_summary)
>   >       ospf6_lsdb_remove (mine_summary, on->summary_list);
>   >       }
>   > #endif // DBEX_OPT
>   >
>  780a795,808
>   >
>   > #ifdef DBEX_OPT  // From draft-ietf-ospf-dbex-opt
>   >       // If his is newer or same as mine, then remove mine
>   >       // from summary_list for neighbor
>   >       struct ospf6_lsa *mine_summary;
>   >       if (mine != NULL && ospf6_lsa_compare (his, mine) <= 0)
>   >       {
>   >         mine_summary = ospf6_lsdb_lookup (his->header->type,
>  his->header->id,
>   >                                   his->header->adv_router,
>  on->summary_list);
>   >         if (mine_summary)
>   >       ospf6_lsdb_remove (mine_summary, on->summary_list);
>   >       }
>   > #endif // DBEX_OPT
>   >
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Hi Richard,

To contradict what I just said. I think just having the LSA's in any
order will still help. As we have a Master slave model for DD exchange
the same will not affect the order in which LSA's are sent out.

The total number of LSA's exchanged will still be the total number of LSA's.

Thanks,
Vishwas

On undefined, Vishwas Manral <vishwas.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
>  I think the draft is good and helpful.
>
>  Besides the changes already mentioned below, one more point that could
>  help is to actually send the LSA's in DB description packets in
>  different orders. If we probably run between two similar
>  implementations and bring up a new link between two routers (which are
>  already in connected in the same area - the optimization may not
>  help).
>
>  Thanks,
>  Vishwas
>
>
>
>  On undefined, Richard Ogier <ogier@earthlink.net> wrote:
>  > During the recent IESG review of this draft, it was mentioned
>  >  that there are no known implementations of this database
>  >  exchange optimization (other than the OSPF-MDR implementation
>  >  available from Boeing).  It is trivial to modify an existing
>  >  OSPF implementation to use this optimization, and I am including
>  >  a patch below for the Quagga 0.99.9 implementation of OSPFv3.
>  >  This patch was tested using the GTNetS simulator.
>  >
>  >  You can download the source code for Quagga 0.99.9 at
>  >  http://www.quagga.net/download/
>  >
>  >  To incorporate the optimization, put the "diff" code below in
>  >  a file called "patch_file" (you might have to correct any
>  >  wraparound), and apply the patch to the file
>  >
>  >  quagga-0.99.9/ospf6d/ospf6_message.c
>  >
>  >  I.e., go to the above directory and run
>  >
>  >  patch ospf6_message.c < patch_file
>  >
>  >  To activate the optimization, you must define DBEX_OPT.
>  >
>  >  Richard
>  >
>  >  558a559,572
>  >   >
>  >   > #ifdef DBEX_OPT  // From draft-ietf-ospf-dbex-opt
>  >   >       // If his is newer or same as mine, then remove mine
>  >   >       // from summary_list for neighbor
>  >   >       struct ospf6_lsa *mine_summary;
>  >   >       if (mine != NULL && ospf6_lsa_compare (his, mine) <= 0)
>  >   >       {
>  >   >         mine_summary = ospf6_lsdb_lookup (his->header->type,
>  >  his->header->id,
>  >   >                                   his->header->adv_router,
>  >  on->summary_list);
>  >   >         if (mine_summary)
>  >   >       ospf6_lsdb_remove (mine_summary, on->summary_list);
>  >   >       }
>  >   > #endif // DBEX_OPT
>  >   >
>  >  780a795,808
>  >   >
>  >   > #ifdef DBEX_OPT  // From draft-ietf-ospf-dbex-opt
>  >   >       // If his is newer or same as mine, then remove mine
>  >   >       // from summary_list for neighbor
>  >   >       struct ospf6_lsa *mine_summary;
>  >   >       if (mine != NULL && ospf6_lsa_compare (his, mine) <= 0)
>  >   >       {
>  >   >         mine_summary = ospf6_lsdb_lookup (his->header->type,
>  >  his->header->id,
>  >   >                                   his->header->adv_router,
>  >  on->summary_list);
>  >   >         if (mine_summary)
>  >   >       ospf6_lsdb_remove (mine_summary, on->summary_list);
>  >   >       }
>  >   > #endif // DBEX_OPT
>  >   >
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On Mar 21, 2008, at 2:35 PM, PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri wrote:

> acee,
>
>>   Question regarding PW3 document (Andrew's draft)
>>   Acee - not a big fan
>>   Dave Ward - have the authors give another presentation
>>   Dimitri Papadimitriou - What is holdup?
>
> add: comments raised were addressed (e.g. possibility to segment  
> between
> instances when solution will be made available by OSPF WG see Section
> 5.3).

Added.

>
>>   Acee - Number of people didn't like it, but we are deferring to
>>   PW3 group. Now it seems that PW3 is supporting it so can bring
>>   it back to OSPF WG for consideration.
>
> side note: i would like to keep the discussion at the technical  
> level if
> any remaining - ping-pong between working groups do not help solving
> them.

Added.

>
>>   Multi-instance / Transport Instance Draft - Acee (See Slides)
>>
>>   Will be pushing harder for this, discuss on list
>
> add (if my record is correct, you stated also that): the working group
> will open the floor for alternative solutions once the problem  
> statement
> will be refined further than a brief overview introduction (as it  
> is the
> case in this v00 of the document).

We won't stop anything from being proposed. Didn't I ask the that  
technical discussions be addressed in separate mail threads?

Thanks,
Acee


>
> thanks,
> -d.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ospf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Acee Lindem
>> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:23 PM
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>> Please unicast corrections to me.  If you want to discuss a
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>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/minutes/ospf.txt
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>>
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I can't speak for the OSPF WG as a whole, but I have reviewed the  
subject document and am very happy to see that the suggestion to use  
separate inter-AS LSA types has been incorporated. I have no further  
technical comments on the document and trust that the ccamp WG has  
verified that this information encoding meets the TE requirements.  
The usage described in sections 2.2 and 2.3 seem reasonable to me.

I have the following editorial comments:

   1. Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.2 - Both of these say "Use of the TE  
Router ID is RECOMMENDED." I believe these should be respectively  
replaced by "Use of the TE Router Address as specified in the Router  
Address TLV [OSPF-TE] is RECOMMENDED." and "Use of the TE Router IPv6  
Address as specified in the IPv6 Router Address as specified in the  
IPv6 Router Address TLV [OSPF-V3-TE] is RECOMMENDED."
   2. Section 3.2.1 states "This is because... that may operate in a  
different address space;". If they are using a different address  
space on the link between the ASes, then I'd expect there to be  
problems with BGP as well :^) I'd suggest:
       "Given that OSPF is an IGP and should only be utilized between  
routers in the same routing domain, the OSPF specific Link ID and  
Neighbor ID sub-TLVs are not applicable to inter-AS links.".
   3. You may want to expand some acronyms on their first use. For  
example, "AS Boundary Router (ASBR)", "Link State Advertisement  
(LSA)" and
      "Path Computation Element (PCE)".
   4. [OSPFV3] is listed to as both a Normative and Informative  
reference.

Thanks,
Acee

On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

> Hi,
>
> You may recall providing useful review and feedback on
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas- 
> te-extension-02.txt
>
> The authors believe that they have taken on board all the comments  
> received
> from the OSPF working group and have updated the draft accordingly.
>
>
> CCAMP is holding a three week working group last call on this I-D  
> along with
> its IS-IS partner document:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-isis-interas- 
> te-extension-00.txt
>
> These documents describe how to advertise the TE links that connect  
> an AS to
> the outside world within the AS's IGP. As the drafts are at pains  
> to point
> out, there is no proposal to advertise the TE information more  
> widely (such
> as to other ASes).
>
> The last call will end at 12 noon BST on April 9th 2008.
>
> Please send your comments to the CCAMP list or direct to the CCAMP  
> chairs.
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian and Deborah
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:33 PM
> To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri
> Cc: OSPF List
> Subject: Re: [OSPF] IETF 71 OSPF WG Minutes
> 
> 
> On Mar 21, 2008, at 2:35 PM, PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri wrote:
> 
> > acee,
> >
> >>   Question regarding PW3 document (Andrew's draft)
> >>   Acee - not a big fan
> >>   Dave Ward - have the authors give another presentation
> >>   Dimitri Papadimitriou - What is holdup?
> >
> > add: comments raised were addressed (e.g. possibility to segment  
> > between
> > instances when solution will be made available by OSPF WG 
> see Section
> > 5.3).
> 
> Added.
> 
> >
> >>   Acee - Number of people didn't like it, but we are deferring to
> >>   PW3 group. Now it seems that PW3 is supporting it so can bring
> >>   it back to OSPF WG for consideration.
> >
> > side note: i would like to keep the discussion at the technical  
> > level if
> > any remaining - ping-pong between working groups do not help solving
> > them.
> 
> Added.
> 
> >
> >>   Multi-instance / Transport Instance Draft - Acee (See Slides)
> >>
> >>   Will be pushing harder for this, discuss on list
> >
> > add (if my record is correct, you stated also that): the 
> working group
> > will open the floor for alternative solutions once the problem  
> > statement
> > will be refined further than a brief overview introduction (as it  
> > is the
> > case in this v00 of the document).
> 
> We won't stop anything from being proposed. Didn't I ask the that  
> technical discussions be addressed in separate mail threads?

the only record i saw in the minutes is the one mentioned here above.
reason why i asked to complement it as i think that discussion needs to
happen (and urgently before pushing the docs themselves as you also
stated)

thanks,
-dimitri.

> Thanks,
> Acee
> 
> 
> >
> > thanks,
> > -d.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ospf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Acee Lindem
> >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:23 PM
> >> To: OSPF List
> >> Subject: [OSPF] IETF 71 OSPF WG Minutes
> >>
> >> Please unicast corrections to me.  If you want to discuss a
> >> specific topic, please start a thread on this list with the
> >> specific topic as the subject (this will make searching the
> >> archives easier).
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/minutes/ospf.txt
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Acee
> >>
> 
> 
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I'll add to the minutes that you stated you would like to see other  
solutions entertained.
Thanks,
Acee
On Apr 4, 2008, at 12:22 PM, PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri wrote:

>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:33 PM
>> To: PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri
>> Cc: OSPF List
>> Subject: Re: [OSPF] IETF 71 OSPF WG Minutes
>>
>>
>> On Mar 21, 2008, at 2:35 PM, PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri wrote:
>>
>>> acee,
>>>
>>>>   Question regarding PW3 document (Andrew's draft)
>>>>   Acee - not a big fan
>>>>   Dave Ward - have the authors give another presentation
>>>>   Dimitri Papadimitriou - What is holdup?
>>>
>>> add: comments raised were addressed (e.g. possibility to segment
>>> between
>>> instances when solution will be made available by OSPF WG
>> see Section
>>> 5.3).
>>
>> Added.
>>
>>>
>>>>   Acee - Number of people didn't like it, but we are deferring to
>>>>   PW3 group. Now it seems that PW3 is supporting it so can bring
>>>>   it back to OSPF WG for consideration.
>>>
>>> side note: i would like to keep the discussion at the technical
>>> level if
>>> any remaining - ping-pong between working groups do not help solving
>>> them.
>>
>> Added.
>>
>>>
>>>>   Multi-instance / Transport Instance Draft - Acee (See Slides)
>>>>
>>>>   Will be pushing harder for this, discuss on list
>>>
>>> add (if my record is correct, you stated also that): the
>> working group
>>> will open the floor for alternative solutions once the problem
>>> statement
>>> will be refined further than a brief overview introduction (as it
>>> is the
>>> case in this v00 of the document).
>>
>> We won't stop anything from being proposed. Didn't I ask the that
>> technical discussions be addressed in separate mail threads?
>
> the only record i saw in the minutes is the one mentioned here above.
> reason why i asked to complement it as i think that discussion  
> needs to
> happen (and urgently before pushing the docs themselves as you also
> stated)
>
> thanks,
> -dimitri.
>
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>>
>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> -d.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ospf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Acee Lindem
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:23 PM
>>>> To: OSPF List
>>>> Subject: [OSPF] IETF 71 OSPF WG Minutes
>>>>
>>>> Please unicast corrections to me.  If you want to discuss a
>>>> specific topic, please start a thread on this list with the
>>>> specific topic as the subject (this will make searching the
>>>> archives easier).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/minutes/ospf.txt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Acee
>>>>
>>
>>

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Hi,

Just a couple of comments...

===
Section 1
s/proposes the addition of/defines/
===
Section 4
Forgive me for not remembering this discussion...
The draft says that we cannot use the Link ID sub-TLV "due to the protocol 
differences."
It then says that the Link ID sub-TLV SHOULD NOT be included (implying that 
it MAY be included under certain circumstances) but MUST be ignored.
1. Does ignored mean "continue to be flooded" or "stripped from the LSA"?
2. Is it not possible to consider operating a GMPLS control plane in an IPv6 
network where the routers use IPv6 addresses to communicate (so all control 
plane messages will be addressed using IPv6, and the router address will be 
IPv6 as described in Section 3) but where the data channel identifiers are 
assigned from an IPv4 address space? Recall that in GMPLS the interfaces 
used for OSPF exchange are not those used for data exchange.

Whatever the answers, I think it would help if the reasons were clarified 
beyond "protocol differences."
===

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Hi Adrian,

Thanks for the review.

On Apr 4, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just a couple of comments...
>
> ===
> Section 1
> s/proposes the addition of/defines/

Changed.


> ===
> Section 4
> Forgive me for not remembering this discussion...
> The draft says that we cannot use the Link ID sub-TLV "due to the  
> protocol
> differences."

The link-ID is cannot be used since, in the case of multi-access  
network, it contains the IPv4 address of the Designated Router (DR).  
OSPFv3 doesn't have this information.


> It then says that the Link ID sub-TLV SHOULD NOT be included  
> (implying that
> it MAY be included under certain circumstances) but MUST be ignored.

This is the spirit of being conservative in what one sends and  
liberal in what one excepts.



> 1. Does ignored mean "continue to be flooded" or "stripped from the  
> LSA"?

In OSPF, only the originator should modify an LSA. So, it means neither.



> 2. Is it not possible to consider operating a GMPLS control plane  
> in an IPv6
> network where the routers use IPv6 addresses to communicate (so all  
> control
> plane messages will be addressed using IPv6, and the router address  
> will be
> IPv6 as described in Section 3) but where the data channel  
> identifiers are
> assigned from an IPv4 address space? Recall that in GMPLS the  
> interfaces
> used for OSPF exchange are not those used for data exchange.

I believe it is probable that IPv4 and IPv6 will coexist. However,  
OSPFv3 doesn't know the IPv4 address of the DR (at least it is not  
standardized). Hence, this isn't the right sub-TLV to reflect this  
topology.



>
> Whatever the answers, I think it would help if the reasons were  
> clarified
> beyond "protocol differences."

I'll expand this to describe the multi-access network case. Sound good?

Thanks,
Acee



> ===
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
> PS I wouldn't mind if you spelled my name right in the acks  
> section :-)
>
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Adrian,

How's this:

***************
*** 342,348 ****
      The Link TLV describes a single link and consists of a set of sub-
      TLVs [TE].  All of the sub-TLVs in [TE] other than the Link ID  
sub-
      TLV are applicable to OSPFv3.  The Link ID sub-TLV can't be  
used in
!    OSPFv3 due to the protocol differences between OSPFv2 and OSPFv3.

      Three new sub-TLVs for the Link TLV are defined:

--- 342,351 ----
      The Link TLV describes a single link and consists of a set of sub-
      TLVs [TE].  All of the sub-TLVs in [TE] other than the Link ID  
sub-
      TLV are applicable to OSPFv3.  The Link ID sub-TLV can't be  
used in
!    OSPFv3 since it defined to contain the IPv4 address of the  
Designated
!    Router (DR) for multi-access interfaces.  In contrast to OSPFv2,
!    OSPFv3 always identifies a neighboring router by the Router ID  
(Refer
!    to section 2.11 in [OSPFV3]).

      Three new sub-TLVs for the Link TLV are defined:

***************

I plan to wait until the WG last call has completed to submit the  
update.
Thanks,
Acee

On Apr 5, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Acee Lindem wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
>
> Thanks for the review.
>
> On Apr 4, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just a couple of comments...
>>
>> ===
>> Section 1
>> s/proposes the addition of/defines/
>
> Changed.
>
>
>> ===
>> Section 4
>> Forgive me for not remembering this discussion...
>> The draft says that we cannot use the Link ID sub-TLV "due to the
>> protocol
>> differences."
>
> The link-ID is cannot be used since, in the case of multi-access
> network, it contains the IPv4 address of the Designated Router (DR).
> OSPFv3 doesn't have this information.
>
>
>> It then says that the Link ID sub-TLV SHOULD NOT be included
>> (implying that
>> it MAY be included under certain circumstances) but MUST be ignored.
>
> This is the spirit of being conservative in what one sends and
> liberal in what one excepts.
>
>
>
>> 1. Does ignored mean "continue to be flooded" or "stripped from the
>> LSA"?
>
> In OSPF, only the originator should modify an LSA. So, it means  
> neither.
>
>
>
>> 2. Is it not possible to consider operating a GMPLS control plane
>> in an IPv6
>> network where the routers use IPv6 addresses to communicate (so all
>> control
>> plane messages will be addressed using IPv6, and the router address
>> will be
>> IPv6 as described in Section 3) but where the data channel
>> identifiers are
>> assigned from an IPv4 address space? Recall that in GMPLS the
>> interfaces
>> used for OSPF exchange are not those used for data exchange.
>
> I believe it is probable that IPv4 and IPv6 will coexist. However,
> OSPFv3 doesn't know the IPv4 address of the DR (at least it is not
> standardized). Hence, this isn't the right sub-TLV to reflect this
> topology.
>
>
>
>>
>> Whatever the answers, I think it would help if the reasons were
>> clarified
>> beyond "protocol differences."
>
> I'll expand this to describe the multi-access network case. Sound  
> good?
>
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
>
>
>> ===
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adrian
>>
>> PS I wouldn't mind if you spelled my name right in the acks
>> section :-)
>>
>>
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Alan Davey pointed out that I was missing the word "is" in my text. I  
went ahead with a more verbose explanation of the protocol differences.

***************
*** 342,348 ****
      The Link TLV describes a single link and consists of a set of sub-
      TLVs [TE].  All of the sub-TLVs in [TE] other than the Link ID  
sub-
      TLV are applicable to OSPFv3.  The Link ID sub-TLV can't be  
used in
!    OSPFv3 due to the protocol differences between OSPFv2 and OSPFv3.

      Three new sub-TLVs for the Link TLV are defined:

--- 342,356 ----
      The Link TLV describes a single link and consists of a set of sub-
      TLVs [TE].  All of the sub-TLVs in [TE] other than the Link ID  
sub-
      TLV are applicable to OSPFv3.  The Link ID sub-TLV can't be  
used in
!    OSPFv3 since it is defined to use the OSPFv2 identification for the
!    Designated Router (DR) on multi-access networks.  In OSPFv2,
!    neighbors on point-to-point networks and virtual links are  
identified
!    by their Router IDs while neighbors on broadcast, Non-Broadcast
!    Multi-Access (NBMA), and Point-to-Multipoint links are  
identified by
!    their IPv4 interface addresses (Refer to section 8.2 in [OSPFV2]).
!    The IPv4 interface address is not known to OSPFv3.  In contrast to
!    OSPFv2, OSPFv3 always identifies neighboring routers by their  
Router
!    IDs (Refer to section 2.11 in [OSPFV3]).

      Three new sub-TLVs for the Link TLV are defined:

***************


On Apr 5, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Acee Lindem wrote:

> Adrian,
>
> How's this:
>
> ***************
> *** 342,348 ****
>       The Link TLV describes a single link and consists of a set of  
> sub-
>       TLVs [TE].  All of the sub-TLVs in [TE] other than the Link ID
> sub-
>       TLV are applicable to OSPFv3.  The Link ID sub-TLV can't be
> used in
> !    OSPFv3 due to the protocol differences between OSPFv2 and OSPFv3.
>
>       Three new sub-TLVs for the Link TLV are defined:
>
> --- 342,351 ----
>       The Link TLV describes a single link and consists of a set of  
> sub-
>       TLVs [TE].  All of the sub-TLVs in [TE] other than the Link ID
> sub-
>       TLV are applicable to OSPFv3.  The Link ID sub-TLV can't be
> used in
> !    OSPFv3 since it defined to contain the IPv4 address of the
> Designated
> !    Router (DR) for multi-access interfaces.  In contrast to OSPFv2,
> !    OSPFv3 always identifies a neighboring router by the Router ID
> (Refer
> !    to section 2.11 in [OSPFV3]).
>
>       Three new sub-TLVs for the Link TLV are defined:
>
> ***************
>
> I plan to wait until the WG last call has completed to submit the
> update.
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
> On Apr 5, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Acee Lindem wrote:
>
>> Hi Adrian,
>>
>> Thanks for the review.
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just a couple of comments...
>>>
>>> ===
>>> Section 1
>>> s/proposes the addition of/defines/
>>
>> Changed.
>>
>>
>>> ===
>>> Section 4
>>> Forgive me for not remembering this discussion...
>>> The draft says that we cannot use the Link ID sub-TLV "due to the
>>> protocol
>>> differences."
>>
>> The link-ID is cannot be used since, in the case of multi-access
>> network, it contains the IPv4 address of the Designated Router (DR).
>> OSPFv3 doesn't have this information.
>>
>>
>>> It then says that the Link ID sub-TLV SHOULD NOT be included
>>> (implying that
>>> it MAY be included under certain circumstances) but MUST be ignored.
>>
>> This is the spirit of being conservative in what one sends and
>> liberal in what one excepts.
>>
>>
>>
>>> 1. Does ignored mean "continue to be flooded" or "stripped from the
>>> LSA"?
>>
>> In OSPF, only the originator should modify an LSA. So, it means
>> neither.
>>
>>
>>
>>> 2. Is it not possible to consider operating a GMPLS control plane
>>> in an IPv6
>>> network where the routers use IPv6 addresses to communicate (so all
>>> control
>>> plane messages will be addressed using IPv6, and the router address
>>> will be
>>> IPv6 as described in Section 3) but where the data channel
>>> identifiers are
>>> assigned from an IPv4 address space? Recall that in GMPLS the
>>> interfaces
>>> used for OSPF exchange are not those used for data exchange.
>>
>> I believe it is probable that IPv4 and IPv6 will coexist. However,
>> OSPFv3 doesn't know the IPv4 address of the DR (at least it is not
>> standardized). Hence, this isn't the right sub-TLV to reflect this
>> topology.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Whatever the answers, I think it would help if the reasons were
>>> clarified
>>> beyond "protocol differences."
>>
>> I'll expand this to describe the multi-access network case. Sound
>> good?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>>
>>
>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> PS I wouldn't mind if you spelled my name right in the acks
>>> section :-)
>>>
>>>
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Hi Acee,

Thanks for your review and comments! 

Since there are no technical issues, I will update the I-D until the end of the WG last call.
  
On 2008-04-04, at 22:49:13 Acee Lindem wrote:

>I can't speak for the OSPF WG as a whole, but I have reviewed the  
>subject document and am very happy to see that the suggestion to use  
>separate inter-AS LSA types has been incorporated. I have no further  
>technical comments on the document and trust that the ccamp WG has  
>verified that this information encoding meets the TE requirements.  
>The usage described in sections 2.2 and 2.3 seem reasonable to me.
>
>I have the following editorial comments:
>
>   1. Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.2 - Both of these say "Use of the TE  
>Router ID is RECOMMENDED." I believe these should be respectively  
>replaced by "Use of the TE Router Address as specified in the Router  
>Address TLV [OSPF-TE] is RECOMMENDED." and "Use of the TE Router IPv6  
>Address as specified in the IPv6 Router Address as specified in the  
>IPv6 Router Address TLV [OSPF-V3-TE] is RECOMMENDED."
>   2. Section 3.2.1 states "This is because... that may operate in a  
>different address space;". If they are using a different address  
>space on the link between the ASes, then I'd expect there to be  
>problems with BGP as well :^) I'd suggest:
>       "Given that OSPF is an IGP and should only be utilized between  
>routers in the same routing domain, the OSPF specific Link ID and  
>Neighbor ID sub-TLVs are not applicable to inter-AS links.".
>   3. You may want to expand some acronyms on their first use. For  
>example, "AS Boundary Router (ASBR)", "Link State Advertisement  
>(LSA)" and
>      "Path Computation Element (PCE)".
>   4. [OSPFV3] is listed to as both a Normative and Informative  
>reference.
>
>Thanks,
>Acee
>
>On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You may recall providing useful review and feedback on
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas- 
>> te-extension-02.txt
>>
>> The authors believe that they have taken on board all the comments  
>> received
>> from the OSPF working group and have updated the draft accordingly.
>>
>>
>> CCAMP is holding a three week working group last call on this I-D  
>> along with
>> its IS-IS partner document:
>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-isis-interas- 
>> te-extension-00.txt
>>
>> These documents describe how to advertise the TE links that connect  
>> an AS to
>> the outside world within the AS's IGP. As the drafts are at pains  
>> to point
>> out, there is no proposal to advertise the TE information more  
>> widely (such
>> as to other ASes).
>>
>> The last call will end at 12 noon BST on April 9th 2008.
>>
>> Please send your comments to the CCAMP list or direct to the CCAMP  
>> chairs.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Adrian and Deborah
>>
>>
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Thanks Acee,

That does the job.

Adrian
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> Alan Davey pointed out that I was missing the word "is" in my text. I
> went ahead with a more verbose explanation of the protocol differences.
>
> ***************
> *** 342,348 ****
>      The Link TLV describes a single link and consists of a set of sub-
>      TLVs [TE].  All of the sub-TLVs in [TE] other than the Link ID
> sub-
>      TLV are applicable to OSPFv3.  The Link ID sub-TLV can't be
> used in
> !    OSPFv3 due to the protocol differences between OSPFv2 and OSPFv3.
>
>      Three new sub-TLVs for the Link TLV are defined:
>
> --- 342,356 ----
>      The Link TLV describes a single link and consists of a set of sub-
>      TLVs [TE].  All of the sub-TLVs in [TE] other than the Link ID
> sub-
>      TLV are applicable to OSPFv3.  The Link ID sub-TLV can't be
> used in
> !    OSPFv3 since it is defined to use the OSPFv2 identification for the
> !    Designated Router (DR) on multi-access networks.  In OSPFv2,
> !    neighbors on point-to-point networks and virtual links are
> identified
> !    by their Router IDs while neighbors on broadcast, Non-Broadcast
> !    Multi-Access (NBMA), and Point-to-Multipoint links are
> identified by
> !    their IPv4 interface addresses (Refer to section 8.2 in [OSPFV2]).
> !    The IPv4 interface address is not known to OSPFv3.  In contrast to
> !    OSPFv2, OSPFv3 always identifies neighboring routers by their
> Router
> !    IDs (Refer to section 2.11 in [OSPFV3]).
>
>      Three new sub-TLVs for the Link TLV are defined:
>
> ***************
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Acee Lindem wrote:
>
>> Adrian,
>>
>> How's this:
>>
>> ***************
>> *** 342,348 ****
>>       The Link TLV describes a single link and consists of a set of
>> sub-
>>       TLVs [TE].  All of the sub-TLVs in [TE] other than the Link ID
>> sub-
>>       TLV are applicable to OSPFv3.  The Link ID sub-TLV can't be
>> used in
>> !    OSPFv3 due to the protocol differences between OSPFv2 and OSPFv3.
>>
>>       Three new sub-TLVs for the Link TLV are defined:
>>
>> --- 342,351 ----
>>       The Link TLV describes a single link and consists of a set of
>> sub-
>>       TLVs [TE].  All of the sub-TLVs in [TE] other than the Link ID
>> sub-
>>       TLV are applicable to OSPFv3.  The Link ID sub-TLV can't be
>> used in
>> !    OSPFv3 since it defined to contain the IPv4 address of the
>> Designated
>> !    Router (DR) for multi-access interfaces.  In contrast to OSPFv2,
>> !    OSPFv3 always identifies a neighboring router by the Router ID
>> (Refer
>> !    to section 2.11 in [OSPFV3]).
>>
>>       Three new sub-TLVs for the Link TLV are defined:
>>
>> ***************
>>
>> I plan to wait until the WG last call has completed to submit the
>> update.
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Acee Lindem wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Adrian,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the review.
>>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Just a couple of comments...
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>> Section 1
>>>> s/proposes the addition of/defines/
>>>
>>> Changed.
>>>
>>>
>>>> ===
>>>> Section 4
>>>> Forgive me for not remembering this discussion...
>>>> The draft says that we cannot use the Link ID sub-TLV "due to the
>>>> protocol
>>>> differences."
>>>
>>> The link-ID is cannot be used since, in the case of multi-access
>>> network, it contains the IPv4 address of the Designated Router (DR).
>>> OSPFv3 doesn't have this information.
>>>
>>>
>>>> It then says that the Link ID sub-TLV SHOULD NOT be included
>>>> (implying that
>>>> it MAY be included under certain circumstances) but MUST be ignored.
>>>
>>> This is the spirit of being conservative in what one sends and
>>> liberal in what one excepts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 1. Does ignored mean "continue to be flooded" or "stripped from the
>>>> LSA"?
>>>
>>> In OSPF, only the originator should modify an LSA. So, it means
>>> neither.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2. Is it not possible to consider operating a GMPLS control plane
>>>> in an IPv6
>>>> network where the routers use IPv6 addresses to communicate (so all
>>>> control
>>>> plane messages will be addressed using IPv6, and the router address
>>>> will be
>>>> IPv6 as described in Section 3) but where the data channel
>>>> identifiers are
>>>> assigned from an IPv4 address space? Recall that in GMPLS the
>>>> interfaces
>>>> used for OSPF exchange are not those used for data exchange.
>>>
>>> I believe it is probable that IPv4 and IPv6 will coexist. However,
>>> OSPFv3 doesn't know the IPv4 address of the DR (at least it is not
>>> standardized). Hence, this isn't the right sub-TLV to reflect this
>>> topology.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whatever the answers, I think it would help if the reasons were
>>>> clarified
>>>> beyond "protocol differences."
>>>
>>> I'll expand this to describe the multi-access network case. Sound
>>> good?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Acee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>> PS I wouldn't mind if you spelled my name right in the acks
>>>> section :-)
>>>>
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Hi Mach,
My comments have been addressed to my satisfaction. Depending on who  
reviews it, you may get requests to expand some more of the acronyms  
on first use during the Gen-ART review.
Thanks,
Acee
On Apr 10, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:

> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts  
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement  
> Plane Working Group of the IETF.
>
>
> 	Title           : OSPF Extensions in Support of Inter-AS  
> Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS)  
> Traffic Engineering
> 	Author(s)       : M. Chen, R. Zhang
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extension-03.txt
> 	Pages           : 18
> 	Date            : 2008-04-09
>
> This document describes extensions to the OSPF version 2 and 3
> protocols to support Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and
> Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineering (TE) for multiple
> Autonomous Systems (ASes). OSPF-TE v2 and v3 extensions are defined
> for the flooding of TE information about inter-AS links which can be
> used to perform inter-AS TE path computation.
>
>
>
>
>  No support for flooding TE information from outside the AS is
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Hi Acee,
  
On 2008-04-11, at 03:42:09 Acee Lindem wrote:
>Hi Mach,
>My comments have been addressed to my satisfaction. Depending on who  
>reviews it, you may get requests to expand some more of the acronyms  
>on first use during the Gen-ART review.

OK, I will try again.

Thanks,

Mach 

>Thanks,
>Acee
>On Apr 10, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts  
>> directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement  
>> Plane Working Group of the IETF.
>>
>>
>> 	Title           : OSPF Extensions in Support of Inter-AS  
>> Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS)  
>> Traffic Engineering
>> 	Author(s)       : M. Chen, R. Zhang
>> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extension-03.txt
>> 	Pages           : 18
>> 	Date            : 2008-04-09
>>
>> This document describes extensions to the OSPF version 2 and 3
>> protocols to support Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and
>> Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineering (TE) for multiple
>> Autonomous Systems (ASes). OSPF-TE v2 and v3 extensions are defined
>> for the flooding of TE information about inter-AS links which can be
>> used to perform inter-AS TE path computation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  No support for flooding TE information from outside the AS is
>> proposed or defined in this document.
>>
>> Conventions used in this document
>>
>> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
>> "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this
>> document are to be interpreted as described in RFC-2119 [RFC2119].
>>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas- 
>> te-extension-03.txt
>>
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Hi Mach,

On Apr 11, 2008, at 1:16 AM, Mach Chen wrote:

> Hi Acee,
>
> On 2008-04-11, at 03:42:09 Acee Lindem wrote:
>> Hi Mach,
>> My comments have been addressed to my satisfaction. Depending on who
>> reviews it, you may get requests to expand some more of the acronyms
>> on first use during the Gen-ART review.
>
> OK, I will try again.

I'm happy with it as it is. I'd wait until the Gen-ART review since  
you may get additional comments.

Thanks,
Acee


>
> Thanks,
>
> Mach
>
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>> On Apr 10, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>>
>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>>> directories.
>>> This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement
>>> Plane Working Group of the IETF.
>>>
>>>
>>> 	Title           : OSPF Extensions in Support of Inter-AS
>>> Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS)
>>> Traffic Engineering
>>> 	Author(s)       : M. Chen, R. Zhang
>>> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extension-03.txt
>>> 	Pages           : 18
>>> 	Date            : 2008-04-09
>>>
>>> This document describes extensions to the OSPF version 2 and 3
>>> protocols to support Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and
>>> Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineering (TE) for multiple
>>> Autonomous Systems (ASes). OSPF-TE v2 and v3 extensions are defined
>>> for the flooding of TE information about inter-AS links which can be
>>> used to perform inter-AS TE path computation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  No support for flooding TE information from outside the AS is
>>> proposed or defined in this document.
>>>
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>>>
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>>> "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this
>>> document are to be interpreted as described in RFC-2119 [RFC2119].
>>>
>>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
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Hi Christian,
Thanks taking the time to review this large document. See inline.

On Apr 10, 2008, at 6:05 AM, Christian Vogt wrote:

> I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART)
> reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
> http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html
>
> Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call
> comments you may receive.
>
> Document:  draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-18.txt
> Reviewer:  Christian Vogt
> Review Date:  April 10, 2008
>
> Summary:  This draft is ready for publication as a Proposed
>           Standard RFC.
>
> Comments:
>
> This document specifies OSPF for IPv6 networks.  It is very well
> written, clear overall, structured, and easily understandable.  I
> suggest this document to move forward in the publication process.
> Few comments that should be addressed on this way:
>
> (1)  The document, in particular abstract and introduction, is
>      ambiguous on whether (a) it describes extensions/modifications
>      to OSPF for IPv6 support, which would result in an OSPF version
>      for both IPv4 and IPv6, or whether (b) it is a separate OSPF
>      version specifically for IPv6.  The first sentence of the
>      abstract implies (a).  But later the abstract implies (b),
>      because it says that authentication mechanisms have been replaced
>      by IPv6-specific ones, leaving no authentications means for IPv4.
>      Then again, the increment of the OSPF version number specified in
>      section 2.7 indicates that (a) is the case.  Please clarify the
>      purpose and content of the document early in the abstract and
>      introduction.

As you surmised, it is (a). I'll make sure this is clear.


>
> (2)  The document is very consistent WRT to introducing all acronyms
>      (by spelling them out) when they appear first.  Do this for "LSA"
>      also.  See 2nd paragraph of abstract.

I added a bunch of these. I'll make sure I get this one and I'll  
check for other acronyms that require expansion.

>
> (3)  In section 2.5, a special source address selection rule is
>      defined for virtual links.  Is this rule needed specifically for
>      OSPF, or is it specific to virtual links?  If the latter was the
>      case, would it make sense to define this rule more generally  
> in an
>      IPv6 document?

I'd have to say this rule is specific to OSPFv3 virtual links. I  
think the meaning of "virtual link" varies depending on the context  
so I wouldn't try and define behavior beyond OSPFv3. For example, in  
one context a "virtual link" might imply a tunnel while it the OSPFv3  
sense it is a multi-hop adjacency implying any OSPF path through the  
transit area can be used for backbone routing.

Thanks,
Acee



>
> Good luck with the publication,
> - Christian
>
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Hi Christian,
Actually, I misstated the intent of the document below. OSPFv3  
requires IPv6 and is specifically designed to over it. It can be  
extended to advertise reachability information for other address  
families (e.g., IPv4) as well and there is more than one draft  
stating how this should be done. However, this is not fully specified  
in this document. I've attempted to clarify this by including the  
version numbers in the first reference in the abstract and introduction.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-21.txt

Thanks,
Acee

On Apr 14, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Christian Vogt wrote:

> Hi Acee,
>
> thanks for addressing these comments.  Your explanation regarding  
> virtual links is convincing, so the corresponding text should be  
> left as is in the document.
>
> Take care,
> - Christian
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2008, at 19:38, Acee Lindem wrote:
>> Hi Christian,
>> Thanks taking the time to review this large document. See inline.
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2008, at 6:05 AM, Christian Vogt wrote:
>>
>>> I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART)
>>> reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
>>> http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html
>>>
>>> Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call
>>> comments you may receive.
>>>
>>> Document:  draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-18.txt
>>> Reviewer:  Christian Vogt
>>> Review Date:  April 10, 2008
>>>
>>> Summary:  This draft is ready for publication as a Proposed
>>>           Standard RFC.
>>>
>>> Comments:
>>>
>>> This document specifies OSPF for IPv6 networks.  It is very well
>>> written, clear overall, structured, and easily understandable.  I
>>> suggest this document to move forward in the publication process.
>>> Few comments that should be addressed on this way:
>>>
>>> (1)  The document, in particular abstract and introduction, is
>>>      ambiguous on whether (a) it describes extensions/modifications
>>>      to OSPF for IPv6 support, which would result in an OSPF version
>>>      for both IPv4 and IPv6, or whether (b) it is a separate OSPF
>>>      version specifically for IPv6.  The first sentence of the
>>>      abstract implies (a).  But later the abstract implies (b),
>>>      because it says that authentication mechanisms have been  
>>> replaced
>>>      by IPv6-specific ones, leaving no authentications means for  
>>> IPv4.
>>>      Then again, the increment of the OSPF version number  
>>> specified in
>>>      section 2.7 indicates that (a) is the case.  Please clarify the
>>>      purpose and content of the document early in the abstract and
>>>      introduction.
>>
>> As you surmised, it is (a). I'll make sure this is clear.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> (2)  The document is very consistent WRT to introducing all acronyms
>>>      (by spelling them out) when they appear first.  Do this for  
>>> "LSA"
>>>      also.  See 2nd paragraph of abstract.
>>
>> I added a bunch of these. I'll make sure I get this one and I'll  
>> check for other acronyms that require expansion.
>>
>>>
>>> (3)  In section 2.5, a special source address selection rule is
>>>      defined for virtual links.  Is this rule needed specifically  
>>> for
>>>      OSPF, or is it specific to virtual links?  If the latter was  
>>> the
>>>      case, would it make sense to define this rule more generally  
>>> in an
>>>      IPv6 document?
>>
>> I'd have to say this rule is specific to OSPFv3 virtual links. I  
>> think the meaning of "virtual link" varies depending on the  
>> context so I wouldn't try and define behavior beyond OSPFv3. For  
>> example, in one context a "virtual link" might imply a tunnel  
>> while it the OSPFv3 sense it is a multi-hop adjacency implying any  
>> OSPF path through the transit area can be used for backbone routing.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Good luck with the publication,
>>> - Christian
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Hi Christian,<div>Actually, I misstated the intent of the document =
below. OSPFv3 requires IPv6 and is specifically designed to over it. It =
can be extended to advertise reachability information for other address =
families (e.g., IPv4) as well and there is more than one draft stating =
how this should be done. However, this is not fully specified in this =
document. I've attempted to clarify this by including the version =
numbers in the first reference in the abstract and =
introduction.=A0</div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a =
href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-=
21.txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-=
21.txt</a></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica"><br></font></div></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Acee</div=
><div><br><div><html>On Apr 14, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Christian Vogt =
wrote:</html><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hi Acee,</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">thanks =
for addressing these comments.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</span>Your explanation regarding virtual links is convincing, so the =
corresponding text should be left as is in the document.</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Take =
care,</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">- Christian</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Apr 14, 2008, at 19:38, Acee =
Lindem wrote:</div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hi =
Christian,</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Thanks taking the time to review =
this large document. See inline.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Apr 10, 2008, at 6:05 AM, =
Christian Vogt wrote:</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><br></div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I have been =
selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART)</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, =
please see</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a =
href=3D"http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html">http://www=
.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html</a></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Please =
resolve these comments along with any other Last Call</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">comments you may receive.</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Document:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</span>draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-18.txt</div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Reviewer:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>Christian =
Vogt</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Review Date:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>April 10, 2008</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Summary:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>This draft is =
ready for publication as a Proposed</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </span>Standard =
RFC.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Comments:</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">This document specifies OSPF for =
IPv6 networks.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>It is =
very well</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">written, clear overall, =
structured, and easily understandable.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>I</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">suggest this document to move forward in the =
publication process.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Few comments that should be =
addressed on this way:</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(1)<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>The document, in particular =
abstract and introduction, is</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>ambiguous on whether =
(a) it describes extensions/modifications</div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>to OSPF for IPv6 =
support, which would result in an OSPF version</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 =
</span>for both IPv4 and IPv6, or whether (b) it is a separate =
OSPF</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>version specifically =
for IPv6.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>The first =
sentence of the</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>abstract implies =
(a).<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>But later the =
abstract implies (b),</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>because it says that =
authentication mechanisms have been replaced</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 =
</span>by IPv6-specific ones, leaving no authentications means for =
IPv4.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>Then again, the =
increment of the OSPF version number specified in</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 =
</span>section 2.7 indicates that (a) is the case.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>Please clarify the</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 =
</span>purpose and content of the document early in the abstract =
and</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>introduction.</div> =
</blockquote><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">As you surmised, it is (a). I'll make sure this is =
clear.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">(2)<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</span>The document is very consistent WRT to introducing all =
acronyms</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>(by spelling them out) =
when they appear first.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</span>Do this for "LSA"</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>also.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>See 2nd paragraph of =
abstract.</div> </blockquote><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I added a bunch of these. I'll =
make sure I get this one and I'll check for other acronyms that require =
expansion.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> =
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(3)<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>In section 2.5, a special =
source address selection rule is</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>defined for virtual =
links.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>Is this rule =
needed specifically for</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>OSPF, or is it =
specific to virtual links?<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</span>If the latter was the</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 </span>case, would it make =
sense to define this rule more generally in an</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 =
</span>IPv6 document?</div> </blockquote><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'd have to say this rule is =
specific to OSPFv3 virtual links. I think the meaning of "virtual link" =
varies depending on the context so I wouldn't try and define behavior =
beyond OSPFv3. For example, in one context a "virtual link" might imply =
a tunnel while it the OSPFv3 sense it is a multi-hop adjacency implying =
any OSPF path through the transit area can be used for backbone =
routing.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Thanks,</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Acee</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Good =
luck with the publication,</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">- =
Christian</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </blockquote><div =
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margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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The WG last call has completed and I've posted a new version  
incorporating Adrian's comments. We'll move on to AD review with this  
draft.
Thanks,
Acee
On Mar 31, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Acee Lindem wrote:

> We've WG last called this draft in the past and we're going to do  
> it again now. After some deliberations we've made the decision to  
> go forward with this document with the two existing implementations  
> and forgo the request for interoperability testing. The WG last  
> call will be begin today and end April 15, 2008 at 12:00 AM EDT.
> Thanks,
> Acee

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A new version of the OSPF-MDR draft is available.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-manet-mdr-01.txt

The changes are listed below.
In addition, new improved OSPF-MDR patches (version 1.00) for the
Quagga implementation and GTNetS simulator are available at
http://hipserver.mct.phantomworks.org/ietf/ospf/

These patches are compliant with the current draft.
Also, the following website for OSPF-MDR includes a powerpoint
presentation with new simulation results for up to 200 nodes:
http://www.manet-routing.org/

Richard

Changes for version 01 of the draft:

o  Simplified the definition of a routable neighbor so that
   a Full neighbor is not treated as a special case.

o  Modified the definition of a "backbone neighbor" slightly
   to ensure correct interoperation between routers that use
   adjacency reduction and routers that do not.
   (Such interoperation was never intended until recently.)

o  Changed the default value of AckInterval to 1 sec, and added a
   recommendation for the amount of time Acks should be delayed.

o  Added an appendix with simulation results.
 
o  Editorial changes.

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This version includes Vishwas Manral's and Jonathan Sadler's comments  
from the WG last call. Please take a look at the updated version.  
Unless there are any objections, I plan to send it to the ADs on  
April 30th, 2008.

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