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Hi Zhang,
On May 30, 2008, at 11:50 PM, Zhang Kui wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In RFC2328,
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> =93If the receiving interface connects to a broadcast
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>         network, Point-to-MultiPoint network or NBMA network the =20
> sender
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> packet's IP
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> point
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>         network or a virtual link, the sender is identified by the
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>         Router ID (source router) found in the packet's OSPF header.=94
>
> Why do we do this? Is it ok to identify the neighbor by the router =20
> id regardless of network types?
>

Yup - the router id must be unique in the OSPF routing domain. It is =20
used for router identification for all networks types in OSPFv3.

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From: Pradeep Shastry <pshastry@huawei.com>
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Hi,

I have a question on virtual link. As per the RFC2328, under section 8.2
(Receiving protocol packets)

 

The Area ID specified in the header must either:

            (1) Match the Area ID of the receiving interface.  In this

                case, the packet has been sent over a single hop......

 

        (2) Indicate the backbone.  In this case, the packet has

                been sent over a virtual link.  The receiving router

                must be an area border router, and the Router ID

                specified in the packet (the source router) must be the

                other end of a configured virtual link.  The receiving

                interface must also attach to the virtual link's

                configured Transit area.  If all of these checks

                succeed, the packet is accepted and is from now on

                associated with the virtual link (and the backbone

                area)

 

Here the assumption is that OSPF should be enabled on the interface on which
OSPF packet is received (In case of virtual link, to find out transit area
id). Is this is correct? If this is correct then I can't have virtual link
end points having multiple paths, some are through OSPF and some other
through other protocols like static routes, in this case OSPF packets can be
received through the interfaces which are not enabled with OSPF.

 

Thanks and Regards

-Pradeepa Shastry

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>I have a question
on virtual link. As per the RFC2328, under section 8.2 (Receiving protocol packets)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><font size=2
color=blue face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:blue'>The Area ID specified in the header must either:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
(1) </span></font><font size=2 color=blue face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:blue'>Match the Area ID
of the receiving interface.&nbsp; In this<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><font size=2
color=blue face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:blue'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
case, the packet has been sent over a single hop&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><font size=2
color=blue face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;text-indent:21.0pt;line-height:12.0pt'><font
size=2 color=blue face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:blue'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;(2)
Indicate the backbone.&nbsp; In this case, the packet has<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><font size=2
color=blue face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:blue'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
been sent over a virtual link.&nbsp; The receiving router<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><font size=2
color=blue face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:blue'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
must be an area border router, and the Router ID<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><font size=2
color=blue face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:blue'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
specified in the packet (the source router) must be the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><font size=2
color=blue face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:blue'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
other end of a configured virtual link.&nbsp; </span></font><b><font size=2
color=red face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:red;font-weight:bold'>The receiving<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><b><font size=2
color=red face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:red;font-weight:bold'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
interface must also attach to the virtual link's<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><b><font size=2
color=red face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:red;font-weight:bold'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
configured Transit area.</span></font></b><font size=2 color=blue
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:blue'>&nbsp; If all of these checks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><font size=2
color=blue face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:blue'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
succeed, the packet is accepted and is from now on<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt'><font size=2
color=blue face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:blue'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
associated with the virtual link (and the backbone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 color=blue
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:
"Courier New";color:blue'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
area)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Here the assumption
is that OSPF should be enabled on the interface on which OSPF packet is
received (In case of virtual link, to find out transit area id). Is this is
correct? If this is correct then I can&#8217;t have virtual link end points having
multiple paths, some are through OSPF and some other through other protocols
like static routes, in this case OSPF packets can be received through the
interfaces which are not enabled with OSPF.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Thanks and Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>-Pradeepa Shastry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Hi Pradeep,

On Jun 4, 2008, at 12:54 AM, Pradeep Shastry wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a question on virtual link. As per the RFC2328, under =20
> section 8.2 (Receiving protocol packets)
>
>
>
> The Area ID specified in the header must either:
>
>             (1) Match the Area ID of the receiving interface.  In this
>
>                 case, the packet has been sent over a single hop=85=85=85=
=85=85=85
>
>
>
>         (2) Indicate the backbone.  In this case, the packet has
>
>                 been sent over a virtual link.  The receiving router
>
>                 must be an area border router, and the Router ID
>
>                 specified in the packet (the source router) must be =20=

> the
>
>                 other end of a configured virtual link.  The receiving
>
>                 interface must also attach to the virtual link's
>
>                 configured Transit area.  If all of these checks
>
>                 succeed, the packet is accepted and is from now on
>
>                 associated with the virtual link (and the backbone
>
>                 area)
>
>
>
> Here the assumption is that OSPF should be enabled on the interface =20=

> on which OSPF packet is received (In case of virtual link, to find =20
> out transit area id). Is this is correct? If this is correct then I =20=

> can=92t have virtual link end points having multiple paths, some are =20=

> through OSPF and some other through other protocols like static =20
> routes, in this case OSPF packets can be received through the =20
> interfaces which are not enabled with OSPF.
>

That is correct. A virtual link through an OSPF transit area will =20
only include intra-area paths within that transit area.

Acee


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Hi Pradeep,<div><br><div><div>On Jun 4, 2008, at 12:54 AM, Pradeep =
Shastry wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"Section1" style=3D"layout-grid:15.6pt"><p =
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style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial">I have a =
question on virtual link. As per the RFC2328, under section 8.2 =
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class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><font size=3D"2" =
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configured Transit area.</span></font></b><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
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color:blue">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 succeed, the =
packet is accepted and is from now on<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0in;line-height:12.0pt"><font =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;; =
color:blue">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 associated =
with the virtual link (and the backbone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><font size=3D"2" =
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area)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial"><o:p>=A0</o:=
p></span></font></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial">Here the =
assumption is that OSPF should be enabled on the interface on which OSPF =
packet is received (In case of virtual link, to find out transit area =
id). Is this is correct? If this is correct then I can=92t have virtual =
link end points having multiple paths, some are through OSPF and some =
other through other protocols like static routes, in this case OSPF =
packets can be received through the interfaces which are not enabled =
with OSPF.</span></font></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That =
is correct. A virtual link through an OSPF transit area will only =
include intra-area paths within that transit =
area.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Acee</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote=
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The fundamental issue is that a particular virtual link is a <router =20
ID, transit area> tuple, so you need some mechanism for mapping an =20
incoming packet (which has an address but no transit area encoded in =20
it)  to that tuple.

How you achieve this mapping, and under what deployment conditions, is =20=

an implementation exercise, which as always has equal parts creativity =20=

and danger.

--Dave

On Jun 3, 2008, at 10:54 PM, Pradeep Shastry wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a question on virtual link. As per the RFC2328, under section =20=

> 8.2 (Receiving protocol packets)
>
> The Area ID specified in the header must either:
>             (1) Match the Area ID of the receiving interface.  In this
>                 case, the packet has been sent over a single hop=85=85=85=
=85=85=85
>
>         (2) Indicate the backbone.  In this case, the packet has
>                 been sent over a virtual link.  The receiving router
>                 must be an area border router, and the Router ID
>                 specified in the packet (the source router) must be =20=

> the
>                 other end of a configured virtual link.  The receiving
>                 interface must also attach to the virtual link's
>                 configured Transit area.  If all of these checks
>                 succeed, the packet is accepted and is from now on
>                 associated with the virtual link (and the backbone
>                 area)
>
> Here the assumption is that OSPF should be enabled on the interface =20=

> on which OSPF packet is received (In case of virtual link, to find =20
> out transit area id). Is this is correct? If this is correct then I =20=

> can=92t have virtual link end points having multiple paths, some are =20=

> through OSPF and some other through other protocols like static =20
> routes, in this case OSPF packets can be received through the =20
> interfaces which are not enabled with OSPF.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> -Pradeepa Shastry

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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The fundamental issue is that a =
particular virtual link is a &lt;router ID, transit area> tuple, so you =
need some mechanism for mapping an incoming packet (which has an address =
but no transit area encoded in it) &nbsp;to that =
tuple.<div><br></div><div>How you achieve this mapping, and under what =
deployment conditions, is an implementation exercise, which as always =
has equal parts creativity and =
danger.</div><div><br></div><div>--Dave</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun =
3, 2008, at 10:54 PM, Pradeep Shastry wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" =
vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"Section1"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-family: Arial; =
">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-family: Arial; ">I have a question on virtual =
link. As per the RFC2328, under section 8.2 (Receiving protocol =
packets)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-family: Arial; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; ">The =
Area ID specified in the header must =
either:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"black" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(1)<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></font><font =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; ">Match the Area ID of =
the receiving interface.&nbsp; In =
this<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; case, the packet has been sent over a single =
hop=85=85=85=85=85=85<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
'Courier New'; color: blue; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></div><div =
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font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" =
color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;(2) Indicate the =
backbone.&nbsp; In this case, the packet =
has<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; been sent over a virtual link.&nbsp; The receiving =
router<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; must be an area border router, and the Router =
ID<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; specified in the packet (the source router) must be =
the<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; other end of a configured virtual link.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></font><b><font =
size=3D"2" color=3D"red" face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: red; font-weight: bold; ">The =
receiving<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><b><font size=3D"2" color=3D"red" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: red; =
font-weight: bold; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; interface must also attach to the virtual =
link's<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><b><font size=3D"2" color=3D"red" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: red; =
font-weight: bold; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; configured Transit area.</span></font></b><font =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; ">&nbsp; If all of these =
checks<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; succeed, the packet is accepted and is from now =
on<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; associated with the virtual link (and the =
backbone<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: 'Courier New'; =
color: blue; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; area)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span =
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"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 10pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
line-height: 150%; font-family: Arial; ">Here the assumption is that =
OSPF should be enabled on the interface on which OSPF packet is received =
(In case of virtual link, to find out transit area id). Is this is =
correct? If this is correct then I can=92t have virtual link end points =
having multiple paths, some are through OSPF and some other through =
other protocols like static routes, in this case OSPF packets can be =
received through the interfaces which are not enabled with =
OSPF.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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I will attempt a different answer to your question, which may or may not
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> Here the assumption is that OSPF should be enabled on the interface on =

> which OSPF packet is received (In case of virtual link, to find out =

> transit area id). Is this is correct? If this is correct then I can=92t =

> have virtual link end points having multiple paths, some are through =

> OSPF and some other through other protocols like static routes, in =

> this case OSPF packets can be received through the interfaces which =

> are not enabled with OSPF.


If you have a static route between two backbone routers,
it can be configured as a point-to-point link in OSPF (using tunnel
encapsulation). However, in this case, you would not need a virtual
link since you have a direct link between the two backbone routers.
Therefore, if I am correctly interpreting your concern, the answer
might be that you can achieve your goal using tunneling instead of
a virtual link.

Richard


Pradeep Shastry wrote:

> Hi,
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> I have a question on virtual link. As per the RFC2328, under section =

> 8.2 (Receiving protocol packets)
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> The Area ID specified in the header must either:
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> Here the assumption is that OSPF should be enabled on the interface on =

> which OSPF packet is received (In case of virtual link, to find out =

> transit area id). Is this is correct? If this is correct then I can=92t =

> have virtual link end points having multiple paths, some are through =

> OSPF and some other through other protocols like static routes, in =

> this case OSPF packets can be received through the interfaces which =

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An IWC watch is a uniquely handcrafted time piece that combines a classical element with a timeless elegance. Its appeal comes from their traditional beauty and their superb performance. But this sophistication has always come with a high price tag. Except of course, when you buy an IWC replica. And Prestige Replicas has dozens of IWC replica watches at prices so incredibly low that you can rest assured they won't last long! So, why not head over to Prestige Replicas right now and take a look at their IWC watches? After all, isn't it time you wore a splendid wristwatch without having to spend a fortune?
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When it comes down to getting a replica Rolex watch, there is just one place that offers its visitors and customers the highest quality available: Prestige Replicas. This unparalleled online store specializes in top of the line replica watches with unsurpassed performance, and bearing every marking that the genuine timepieces have. Every replica watch that Prestige Replicas carries, is made of solid stainless steel and features a sapphire crystal glass. What's more, every Rolex in store displays the green Rolex sticker with model number and logo on it. Just because you're buying a replica, don't settle for a low quality product. There are only a handful of online stores that offer the highest quality Rolex replica watches and Prestige Replicas is among them, and with the lowest available prices!
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Section 4 of RFC 5185 says that a link-LSA SHOULD NOT be advertised for a
ospfv3 multi-area adjacency.  Instead, it suggests that the neighbor's link
local address can be gleaned from hello packets.

It appears to me that this won't work for multi-area adjacencies in non-IPv6
AFs.  Any thoughts on loosening this recommendation and generating link-LSAs
for multi-area adjacencies in general or at least for non-IPv6 AFs?

Any other ideas to solve the above problem?

Thanks,
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Nischal,

Nischal Sheth wrote:
> Section 4 of RFC 5185 says that a link-LSA SHOULD NOT be advertised for a
> ospfv3 multi-area adjacency.  Instead, it suggests that the neighbor's link
> local address can be gleaned from hello packets.
> 
> It appears to me that this won't work for multi-area adjacencies in non-IPv6
> AFs.  Any thoughts on loosening this recommendation and generating link-LSAs
> for multi-area adjacencies in general or at least for non-IPv6 AFs?

5185 is based on the current OSPFv3 spec that supports only a single AF.
If the multi AF support in OSPFv3 requires changes to the 5158, it 
should be done as a part of the OSPFv3 multi-AF effort.

thanks,
Peter



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> 
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Peter Psenak wrote:

> Nischal,
> 
> Nischal Sheth wrote:
>> Section 4 of RFC 5185 says that a link-LSA SHOULD NOT be advertised for a
>> ospfv3 multi-area adjacency.  Instead, it suggests that the neighbor's 
>> link
>> local address can be gleaned from hello packets.
>>
>> It appears to me that this won't work for multi-area adjacencies in 
>> non-IPv6
>> AFs.  Any thoughts on loosening this recommendation and generating 
>> link-LSAs
>> for multi-area adjacencies in general or at least for non-IPv6 AFs?
> 
> 5185 is based on the current OSPFv3 spec that supports only a single AF.
> If the multi AF support in OSPFv3 requires changes to the 5158, it 
> should be done as a part of the OSPFv3 multi-AF effort.
> 

Hi Peter,

Fair enough.  This sounds like a good course of action.

It seems that the most straightforward solution would be to override the
RFC 5185 behavior for non-IPv6 AFs and generate link-LSAs for multi-area
adjacencies.  These must contain only the link local address and no other
prefixes.

Could the authors of the multi-AF draft please address this issue in the
next version?

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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 5187

        Title:      OSPFv3 Graceful Restart 
        Author:     P. Pillay-Esnault, A. Lindem
        Status:     Standards Track
        Date:       June 2008
        Mailbox:    ppe@cisco.com, acee@redback.com
        Pages:      7
        Characters: 14860
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-graceful-restart-08.txt

        URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5187.txt

This document describes the OSPFv3 graceful restart.  The OSPFv3
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differences described in this document.  These differences include
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L1VPN and OSPF working groups,

During the IESG review of draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospf-auto-discovery-06.txt, the 
IESG asked the L1VPN working group to consider how to use OSPFv3 to provide 
IPv6-compliant auto-discovery for layer one VPNs. They agreed to let us do 
this work in a separate draft.

Lou Berger has kindly turned the handle and this is the result.

We intend to move forward toward WG last call with this work quite quickly, 
and so we would appreciate you review, comments, and feedback.

To start the discussion, please comment on whether you believe this draft 
should be Standards Track (as currently marked) or Experimental? It seems 
that there are no immediate plans for any implementation that would verify 
that the document is correct or stable.

Many thanks,
Adrian

>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
>directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Layer 1 Virtual Private Networks Working 
> Group of the IETF.
>
> Title           : OSPFv3 Based Layer 1 VPN Auto-Discovery
> Author(s)       : L. Berger
> Filename        : draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospfv3-auto-discovery-00.txt
> Pages           : 11
> Date            : 2008-06-11
>
> This document defines an Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) version 3
> based Layer-1 Virtual Private Network (L1VPN) auto-discovery
> mechanism.  This document parallels the existing OSPF version 2 L1VPN
> auto-discovery mechanism.  The notable functional difference is the
> support of IPv6.
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospfv3-auto-discovery-00.txt


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(The following announcement was posted on the IETF-Announce mailing
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associated with the individual draft instead of the identical
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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.


        RFC 5243

        Title:      OSPF Database Exchange Summary List
                    Optimization
        Author:     R. Ogier
        Status:     Informational
        Date:       May 2008
        Mailbox:    rich.ogier@earthlink.net
        Pages:      5
        Characters: 11029
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ogier-ospf-dbex-opt-03.txt

        URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5243.txt

This document describes a backward-compatible optimization for the
Database Exchange process in OSPFv2 and OSPFv3.  In this optimization,
a router does not list a Link State Advertisement (LSA) in Database
Description packets sent to a neighbor, if the same or a more recent
instance of the LSA was listed in a Database Description packet
already received from the neighbor.  This optimization reduces
Database Description overhead by about 50% in large networks.  This
optimization does not affect synchronization, since it only omits
unnecessary information from Database Description packets.  This memo
provides information for the Internet community.


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If nexthops to the same destination prefix, are of same cost, path-type
and same area, then ONLY ECMP comes into play else not. Now in case of
External Routes(Refer Section 16.4)  ecmp depends upon how you resolve
the nexthops w.r.t reachibility to ASBR(incase the forwarding address is
set to zero) else depends upon the nexthop through which the Forwarding
Address can be reached. However the criterion (cost,path-type,area)
still holds decide whether during SPF the same prefix should be
installed as ECMP(multiple nexthops).

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I have a router with zebos implementation of ospf .

Is ECMP is allowed in the router if the routes are learned from two
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router or both equal cost routes should be installed in the router.

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nexthops to
the same destination prefix, are of same cost, path-type and same area, =
then
ONLY ECMP comes into play else not. Now in case of External Routes(Refer
Section 16.4) &nbsp;ecmp depends upon how you resolve the nexthops w.r.t
reachibility to ASBR(incase the forwarding address is set to zero) else =
depends
upon the nexthop through which the Forwarding Address can be reached. =
However
the criterion (cost,path-type,area) still holds decide whether during =
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same prefix should be installed as ECMP(multiple =
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ospf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] <b><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 12, =
2008
12:37 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ospf@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [OSPF] ECMP from
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  <p><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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the
  router if the routes are learned from two diffrernt non backbone =
areas(Same
  cost),Or only one route will be installed in the router =
.</span></font><font
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cost
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Comments from Julien Meuric.

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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MEURIC Julien RD-CORE-LAN
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:34 AM
> To: zzx-adrian@olddog.co.uk; l1vpn@ietf.org; ospf@ietf.org
>
> Hi all.
>
> With respect to the v2-based solution, the v3 ID says: "The notable
> functional difference is the support of IPv6." If it's actually the  
> only
> difference (I haven't deeply reviewed the new ID yet), is there a  
> point
> to make the draft Experimental? It is indeed likely to be  
> implemented in
> a longer term than the former one, but it is mainly a matter of  
> schedule
> towards IPv6. As the feature itself should look like the OSPFv2-based
> solution, I'm rather in favor of "Standards Track", but maybe you have
> some other reasons in mind (speed up publishing process?).
>
> Regards,
>
> Julien
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: l1vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l1vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of Adrian Farrel
>
> L1VPN and OSPF working groups,
>
> During the IESG review of draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospf-auto-discovery-06.txt,
> the
> IESG asked the L1VPN working group to consider how to use OSPFv3 to
> provide
> IPv6-compliant auto-discovery for layer one VPNs. They agreed to  
> let us
> do
> this work in a separate draft.
>
> Lou Berger has kindly turned the handle and this is the result.
>
> We intend to move forward toward WG last call with this work quite
> quickly,
> and so we would appreciate you review, comments, and feedback.
>
> To start the discussion, please comment on whether you believe this
> draft
> should be Standards Track (as currently marked) or Experimental? It
> seems
> that there are no immediate plans for any implementation that would
> verify
> that the document is correct or stable.
>
> Many thanks,
> Adrian
>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Layer 1 Virtual Private Networks
> Working
>> Group of the IETF.
>>
>> Title           : OSPFv3 Based Layer 1 VPN Auto-Discovery
>> Author(s)       : L. Berger
>> Filename        : draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospfv3-auto-discovery-00.txt
>> Pages           : 11
>> Date            : 2008-06-11
>>
>> This document defines an Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) version 3
>> based Layer-1 Virtual Private Network (L1VPN) auto-discovery
>> mechanism.  This document parallels the existing OSPF version 2 L1VPN
>> auto-discovery mechanism.  The notable functional difference is the
>> support of IPv6.
>>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>>
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospfv3-auto- 
> discove
> ry-00.txt
>
>
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Comments from Julien Meuric.<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded =
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RD-CORE-LAN<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span></div><div =
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margin-left: 0px; ">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:zzx-adrian@olddog.co.uk">zzx-adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:l1vpn@ietf.org">l1vpn@ietf.org</a>; <a =
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all.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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margin-left: 0px; ">With respect to the v2-based solution, the v3 ID =
says: "The notable</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
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the support of IPv6." If it's actually the only</div><div =
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margin-left: 0px; ">difference (I haven't deeply reviewed the new ID =
yet), is there a point</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to make the draft =
Experimental? It is indeed likely to be implemented in</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">a longer term than the former one, but it is mainly =
a matter of schedule</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">towards IPv6. As the =
feature itself should look like the OSPFv2-based</div><div =
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margin-left: 0px; ">solution, I'm rather in favor of "Standards Track", =
but maybe you have</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
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">Julien</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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">-----Original Message-----</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: =
l1vpn-bounces@ietf.org [<a =
href=3D"mailto:l1vpn-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:l1vpn-bounces@ietf.org</a>] =
On Behalf</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Of Adrian Farrel</div><div =
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margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">L1VPN =
and OSPF working groups,</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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asked the L1VPN working group to consider how to use OSPFv3 to</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">provide<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">IPv6-compliant auto-discovery for layer one VPNs. They agreed to let =
us</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; ">do<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">this =
work in a separate draft.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Lou Berger has kindly turned the =
handle and this is the result.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">We intend to move forward toward =
WG last call with this work quite</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">quickly,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">and so =
we would appreciate you review, comments, and feedback.</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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the discussion, please comment on whether you believe this</div><div =
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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there are no immediate plans for any implementation that would</div><div =
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margin-left: 0px; ">verify<span =
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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Many thanks,</div><div =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Adrian</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">A New =
Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">directories.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">This draft is a work item of the =
Layer 1 Virtual Private Networks</div> </blockquote><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Working<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span></div> <blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Group of the IETF.</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Title =
<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </span>: =
OSPFv3 Based Layer 1 VPN Auto-Discovery</div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Author(s) <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 </span>: =
L. Berger</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Filename<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </span>: =
draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospfv3-auto-discovery-00.txt</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Pages <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 </span>: 11</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date<span =
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2008-06-11</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">This document defines an Open Shortest Path First =
(OSPF) version 3</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">based Layer-1 Virtual Private =
Network (L1VPN) auto-discovery</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">mechanism.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>This =
document parallels the existing OSPF version 2 L1VPN</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">auto-discovery mechanism.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>The notable functional =
difference is the</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">support of IPv6.</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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for this Internet-Draft is:</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><br></div> </blockquote><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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iscove">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospfv3-auto-d=
iscove</a></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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Hi All,

As per GTSM RFC5082, GTSM is more applicable for directly connected
neighbors and also mentioned that experimentation on GTSM's applicability is
needed for multi-hop scenario.

Assuming that GTSM is more needed for directly connected neighbors and not
considered for multi-hop scenario like V-link, I have a question on
applicability of GTSM in OSPF.

Assuming that we have GTSM sessions for directly connected neighbors and
configure TTL for each neighbors and if you receive a packet with ttl not
equal to 255, drop the packet. Now the question is OSPF can receive V-LINK
packet on the same (any of the) interface. If you apply GTSM then we may
drop the V-Link packet because generally V-Link is more than one hop away.

Will this be an issue or any way to get way with this? Or we have to
configure least TTL of all the interfaces including V-Link (Assuming that
V-Link is at most 3 hop away, then TTL should be configured with 252 for all
the neighbors)? Or GTSM is not applicable for interfaces which belong to
transit area?

 

Thanks and Regards

-Pradeepa Shastry

 

 

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:24.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:2.0gd;
line-height:150%;layout-grid-mode:char;text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Hi
All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:24.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:2.0gd;
line-height:150%;layout-grid-mode:char;text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>As
per GTSM RFC5082, GTSM is more applicable for directly connected neighbors and
also mentioned that experimentation on GTSM&#8217;s applicability is needed for
multi-hop scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:24.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:2.0gd;
line-height:150%;layout-grid-mode:char;text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Assuming
that GTSM is more needed for directly connected neighbors and not considered
for multi-hop scenario like V-link, I have a question on applicability of GTSM
in OSPF.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:24.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:2.0gd;
line-height:150%;layout-grid-mode:char;text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Assuming
that we have GTSM sessions for directly connected neighbors and configure TTL
for each neighbors and if you receive a packet with ttl not equal to 255, drop
the packet. Now the question is OSPF can receive V-LINK packet on the same (any
of the) interface. If you apply GTSM then we may drop the V-Link packet because
generally V-Link is more than one hop away.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:24.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:2.0gd;
line-height:150%;layout-grid-mode:char;text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Will
this be an issue or any way to get way with this? Or we have to configure least
TTL of all the interfaces including V-Link (Assuming that V-Link is at most 3
hop away, then TTL should be configured with 252 for all the neighbors)? Or
GTSM is not applicable for interfaces which belong to transit area?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:24.0pt;mso-para-margin-left:2.0gd;
line-height:150%;layout-grid-mode:char;text-autospace:none'><font size=2
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line-height:150%;layout-grid-mode:char;text-autospace:none'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Thanks
and Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>-Pradeepa
Shastry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Abhay,

I have two questions regarding draft-ietf-ospf-manet-or-00.txt.

First, the Intended Status is given as "Standards Track".  Is this a
mistake?  I thought all three OSPF-MANET drafts were supposed to be
Experimental.

Second, I noticed that the concept of "Unsynchronized Adjacencies",
along with the "Unsynchronized SPT" and the "Unsynchronized" bit (U-bit)
are not included in the draft, even though they were included in
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-roy-ospf-smart-peering-01

I thought this concept was needed in order to distinguish between
synchronized links and unsynchronized links in Router-LSAs, to avoid
a circular dependency problem.
Is this also a mistake, or is there a reason for this omission?

Richard
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Hi Julien,

My thinking on Experimental was simply that we have absolutely no 
implementation experience of this work. Neither the author nor the WG chairs 
have experience of implementing OSPFv3, and as far as we know, no-one has 
any plans to implement L1VPN autodiscovery with OSPFv3.

I think that the way things go is that once someone has implemented (or 
preferably when we have multiple implementations) we can come back, make any 
changes to the work that are necessary, and republish as standards track.

Cheers,
Adrian
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Hi all.

With respect to the v2-based solution, the v3 ID says: "The notable
functional difference is the support of IPv6." If it's actually the only
difference (I haven't deeply reviewed the new ID yet), is there a point
to make the draft Experimental? It is indeed likely to be implemented in
a longer term than the former one, but it is mainly a matter of schedule
towards IPv6. As the feature itself should look like the OSPFv2-based
solution, I'm rather in favor of "Standards Track", but maybe you have
some other reasons in mind (speed up publishing process?).

Regards,

Julien


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Of Adrian Farrel

L1VPN and OSPF working groups,

During the IESG review of draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospf-auto-discovery-06.txt,
the
IESG asked the L1VPN working group to consider how to use OSPFv3 to
provide
IPv6-compliant auto-discovery for layer one VPNs. They agreed to let us
do
this work in a separate draft.

Lou Berger has kindly turned the handle and this is the result.

We intend to move forward toward WG last call with this work quite
quickly,
and so we would appreciate you review, comments, and feedback.

To start the discussion, please comment on whether you believe this
draft
should be Standards Track (as currently marked) or Experimental? It
seems
that there are no immediate plans for any implementation that would
verify
that the document is correct or stable.

Many thanks,
Adrian

>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Layer 1 Virtual Private Networks
Working
> Group of the IETF.
>
> Title           : OSPFv3 Based Layer 1 VPN Auto-Discovery
> Author(s)       : L. Berger
> Filename        : draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospfv3-auto-discovery-00.txt
> Pages           : 11
> Date            : 2008-06-11
>
> This document defines an Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) version 3
> based Layer-1 Virtual Private Network (L1VPN) auto-discovery
> mechanism.  This document parallels the existing OSPF version 2 L1VPN
> auto-discovery mechanism.  The notable functional difference is the
> support of IPv6.
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospfv3-auto-discove
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Hi Richard,

Thanks for the review. Please see inline for comments.


On 6/14/2008 7:55 AM, Richard Ogier wrote:
> Abhay,
> 
> I have two questions regarding draft-ietf-ospf-manet-or-00.txt.
> 
> First, the Intended Status is given as "Standards Track".  Is this a
> mistake?  I thought all three OSPF-MANET drafts were supposed to be
> Experimental.

I will change this to Experimental.

> Second, I noticed that the concept of "Unsynchronized Adjacencies",
> along with the "Unsynchronized SPT" and the "Unsynchronized" bit (U-bit)
> are not included in the draft, even though they were included in
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-roy-ospf-smart-peering-01
> 
> I thought this concept was needed in order to distinguish between
> synchronized links and unsynchronized links in Router-LSAs, to avoid
> a circular dependency problem.
> Is this also a mistake, or is there a reason for this omission?

You are right. The draft is currently synced to smart-peering-00 
version. When I get it ready for LC, I plan to update it to -01 version.

Regards,
-Abhay

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Hi Adrian.

In that case, if nothing precludes future reconsideration, then the answer is obvious... Anyway, I rely on the chairs (and maybe ADs) to take the appropriate decision about this minor issue.

Cheers,

Julien


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] 

Hi Julien,

My thinking on Experimental was simply that we have absolutely no 
implementation experience of this work. Neither the author nor the WG chairs 
have experience of implementing OSPFv3, and as far as we know, no-one has 
any plans to implement L1VPN autodiscovery with OSPFv3.

I think that the way things go is that once someone has implemented (or 
preferably when we have multiple implementations) we can come back, make any 
changes to the work that are necessary, and republish as standards track.

Cheers,
Adrian
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com>

Hi all.

With respect to the v2-based solution, the v3 ID says: "The notable
functional difference is the support of IPv6." If it's actually the only
difference (I haven't deeply reviewed the new ID yet), is there a point
to make the draft Experimental? It is indeed likely to be implemented in
a longer term than the former one, but it is mainly a matter of schedule
towards IPv6. As the feature itself should look like the OSPFv2-based
solution, I'm rather in favor of "Standards Track", but maybe you have
some other reasons in mind (speed up publishing process?).

Regards,

Julien


-----Original Message-----
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Of Adrian Farrel

L1VPN and OSPF working groups,

During the IESG review of draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospf-auto-discovery-06.txt,
the
IESG asked the L1VPN working group to consider how to use OSPFv3 to
provide
IPv6-compliant auto-discovery for layer one VPNs. They agreed to let us
do
this work in a separate draft.

Lou Berger has kindly turned the handle and this is the result.

We intend to move forward toward WG last call with this work quite
quickly,
and so we would appreciate you review, comments, and feedback.

To start the discussion, please comment on whether you believe this
draft
should be Standards Track (as currently marked) or Experimental? It
seems
that there are no immediate plans for any implementation that would
verify
that the document is correct or stable.

Many thanks,
Adrian

>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Layer 1 Virtual Private Networks
Working
> Group of the IETF.
>
> Title           : OSPFv3 Based Layer 1 VPN Auto-Discovery
> Author(s)       : L. Berger
> Filename        : draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospfv3-auto-discovery-00.txt
> Pages           : 11
> Date            : 2008-06-11
>
> This document defines an Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) version 3
> based Layer-1 Virtual Private Network (L1VPN) auto-discovery
> mechanism.  This document parallels the existing OSPF version 2 L1VPN
> auto-discovery mechanism.  The notable functional difference is the
> support of IPv6.
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>
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I too am fine with either.  Will go with experimental in the next rev 
unless I hear otherwise from the chairs...

Lou

At 08:08 AM 6/16/2008, julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com wrote:
>Hi Adrian.
>
>In that case, if nothing precludes future reconsideration, then the 
>answer is obvious... Anyway, I rely on the chairs (and maybe ADs) to 
>take the appropriate decision about this minor issue.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Julien
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
>
>Hi Julien,
>
>My thinking on Experimental was simply that we have absolutely no
>implementation experience of this work. Neither the author nor the WG chairs
>have experience of implementing OSPFv3, and as far as we know, no-one has
>any plans to implement L1VPN autodiscovery with OSPFv3.
>
>I think that the way things go is that once someone has implemented (or
>preferably when we have multiple implementations) we can come back, make any
>changes to the work that are necessary, and republish as standards track.
>
>Cheers,
>Adrian
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com>
>
>Hi all.
>
>With respect to the v2-based solution, the v3 ID says: "The notable
>functional difference is the support of IPv6." If it's actually the only
>difference (I haven't deeply reviewed the new ID yet), is there a point
>to make the draft Experimental? It is indeed likely to be implemented in
>a longer term than the former one, but it is mainly a matter of schedule
>towards IPv6. As the feature itself should look like the OSPFv2-based
>solution, I'm rather in favor of "Standards Track", but maybe you have
>some other reasons in mind (speed up publishing process?).
>
>Regards,
>
>Julien
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: l1vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l1vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>Of Adrian Farrel
>
>L1VPN and OSPF working groups,
>
>During the IESG review of draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospf-auto-discovery-06.txt,
>the
>IESG asked the L1VPN working group to consider how to use OSPFv3 to
>provide
>IPv6-compliant auto-discovery for layer one VPNs. They agreed to let us
>do
>this work in a separate draft.
>
>Lou Berger has kindly turned the handle and this is the result.
>
>We intend to move forward toward WG last call with this work quite
>quickly,
>and so we would appreciate you review, comments, and feedback.
>
>To start the discussion, please comment on whether you believe this
>draft
>should be Standards Track (as currently marked) or Experimental? It
>seems
>that there are no immediate plans for any implementation that would
>verify
>that the document is correct or stable.
>
>Many thanks,
>Adrian
>
> >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> >directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the Layer 1 Virtual Private Networks
>Working
> > Group of the IETF.
> >
> > Title           : OSPFv3 Based Layer 1 VPN Auto-Discovery
> > Author(s)       : L. Berger
> > Filename        : draft-ietf-l1vpn-ospfv3-auto-discovery-00.txt
> > Pages           : 11
> > Date            : 2008-06-11
> >
> > This document defines an Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) version 3
> > based Layer-1 Virtual Private Network (L1VPN) auto-discovery
> > mechanism.  This document parallels the existing OSPF version 2 L1VPN
> > auto-discovery mechanism.  The notable functional difference is the
> > support of IPv6.
> >
> > A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> >
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Abhay,

I have a few more questions regarding the OSPF-OR draft.
The first bullet of Section 3.3.3 (Terminology) states:
"Note that all neighbor references in this document are
assumed to be FULL neighbors."

Is this really true?  If so, then it would imply that all overlapping
relays (ORs), including non-active ORs, must be Full neighbors.
In particular, an adjacent neighbor in state Exchange cannot be a
non-active OR (even though OSPF performs flooding along all
adjacencies, not just Full adjacencies).

Section 3.3.8 (Flooding and Relay Decisions) states:
"Upon receiving an LSA from an adjacent speaker, a node makes
flooding decisions based on the following algorithm."

The above is consistent with OSPF flooding.  However, if only Full
neighbors can be ORs, then a received LSA will never be relayed
unless the LSA was received from a Full neighbor, which does
not seem right.

The GTNETS code for OSPF-OR developed by Boeing, and used for their
Milcom'06 paper, actually allows an received LSA to be relayed even
if it was received from a non-adjacent neighbor.  This implicitly
allows any bidirectional neighbor to be a non-active OR.

So there are three possibilities for (non-active) ORs:
1. An OR must be a bidirectional neighbor.
2. An OR must be an adjacent neighbor (state Exchange or above).
3. An OR must be a Full neighbor.

When smart peering is used (for adjacency reduction), the first
choice might have the drawback that there are too many non-active
(backup) ORs, which can affect scalability (as shown in simulations
of large networks).  Choice 2 would limit ORs to the reduced
adjacency graph, which would result in far fewer non-active ORs.
Although the current spec implies that choice 3 is used, as I
mentioned above this does not seem like the best choice.

If the answer is either 1 or 2, then the draft should be modified to
change the definition of an OR.  For example, if the answer is 2,
then the definition can be changed to:

"An adjacent neighbor is considered an overlapping relay for a
speaker if it has an adjacent neighbor that is not an adjacent
neighbor of the speaker itself."

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Abhay,

I have a few more comments that are mostly editorial.
First, I would like to correct my suggested definition of an
overlapping relay to the following:
 
"An adjacent neighbor is considered an overlapping relay for a
speaker if it has an adjacent neighbor that is not equal to
the speaker itself."

Another possible definition of an overlapping relay (which I think
is used in Boeing's GTNETS code) is:
"A bidirectional neighbor is considered an overlapping relay for a
speaker if it has an adjacent neighbor that is not equal to the
speaker itself."

The existing definition of overlapping relay from Section 3.3.2 is:
"A neighbor is considered an overlapping relay for a speaker if it can
reach a node in the two-hop neighborhood of the neighbor, i.e., if it
has one-hop neighbors."

I think "neighborhood of the neighbor" should be
"neighborhood of the speaker".

Note that the definition of "two-hop neighborhood", i.e., "those
nodes that are neighbors of the speaker's one-hop neighbors", implies
that the speaker can be in its own two-hop neighborhood, which is
why I excluded "the speaker itself" in my suggested definitions.
(However, this probably will not affect flooding operation.)

In Section 3.3.3 (Terminology), the 5th bullet is:

   o  N2: A subset of 2-hop FULL neighbors excluding the nodes only
      reachable by members of N.

I think N2 is the subset of 2-hop FULL neighbors excluding the
1-hop neighbors, i.e., excluding members of N.
However, the 2nd bullet already defines the 2-hop FULL neighbors
to exclude the 1-hop neighbors:

   o  2-hop FULL neighbors: The list of 2-hop neighbors of the node that
      are FULL and that can be reached from direct neighbors, excluding
      any directly connected neighbors.

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I thought of a better way to fix the problems that I mentioned.
First, the convention that "neighbor" always means "Full neighbor"
should be avoided (since it does not allow the draft to refer to
neighbors that are not Full).

Second, since every router that is not an active OR can be
considered to be to be a non-active OR, I suggest not even
defining "active" and "non-active", but just call an "active OR"
an MPR (which is what it really is!).  (Or use "OR" to mean "MPR".)
The behavior of routers that are not MPRs can be specified in the
flooding procedure, as I suggest below.

Since Boeing's implementation allows LSAs received from non-adjacent
neighbors to be processed and flooded, in Section 3.3.8
(Flooding and Relay Decisions), specify that an LSA received from
any bidirectional neighbor can be processed and flooded, e.g.,

"Upon receiving an LSA from a bidirectional neighbor, a node makes
flooding decisions based on the following algorithm."

In step 1, change "active overlapping relay" to MPR.
In step 2, change "If the node is a non-active overlapping
relay for the adjacent speaker" to
"If the node has at least one adjacent neighbor from which
the LSA, or an ack for the LSA, has not been received".

Step 2.1 strikes me as being vague, since it is not clear how to
determine that "flooding the LSA will only result in a redundant
transmission".  I suggest modifying this step as follows:

2.1. Upon expiration of PushbackInterval plus jitter, if there exists
at least one adjacent neighbor from which the LSA, or an ack for
the LSA, has not been received, the router MUST transmit the LSA
at this time.

The above is just a suggestion. I am not 100% sure it is correct.

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All -
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Sujay -

I assume you wanted to copy the WG lists...have added them to the
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Reply inline.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sujay gupta [mailto:sujay.ietf@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:16 PM
> To: David Ward
> Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); Mike Shand (mshand); Stefano Previdi
> (sprevidi); Ross Callon
> Subject: Re: [OSPF] WG LC
> 
> 
> HI David,
> 
> A few questions;
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                         No. of octets
>               +-----------------------+
>               | Flags                 |     1
>               +-----------------------+
> 
>               | Application ID        |     2
>               +-----------------------+
>               | Application           |
>               | IP Address Info       |     0 to 20
>               +-----------------------+
> 
>               | Additional Application|     0 to (252 -
>               |  Specific Information |     len of IP Address info)
>               +-----------------------+
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Why do we need the Application IP address info, field , although you
> specify it could be a zero size element, I believe it is dependent on
the
> Application ID to utilize this space, as a IP address or anything
else.
> One  concern is it is wasting two bits from the flag.
> Could we not better give a note as to the figure is only one possible
> means of using the Gen_TLV. And split the flag into two parts one as
> mandatory and the other subject to interpretation from the Application
ID.
> 
> This approach would address my second concern, if the App-data is
spread
> across TLV's I would prefer to have some sequence number, end of data
bit
> etc. for ease in processing.

The draft clearly indicates that the presence of IPv4/IPv6 address (or
both) is optional. But, if present it should be placed at the position
indicated. Why? Because, as indicated at the end of this section:

"The Application ID in combination with the Application IPv4/IPv6
   Address Information uniquely identifies the GENINFO Application
   Context (GENINFO-CTX)."

As for the use of application specific flag bits, that may be done in
the additional application specific information. The intent is to keep
the standard header free of application specific information.

  Les

> 
> Thanks,
> -Sujay
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 7:26 PM, David Ward <dward@cisco.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 	All -
> 	       We are starting a 2 week WG (isis) LC on this draft:
> 
>
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-isis-genapp-01.txt
> 
> 
> 	I've also bcc'ed the OSPF WG for their comments as well. Please
have
> all comments to the list by 1700 PST 2008.07.03
> 
> 	-DWard, CHopps
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> 	https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf
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Did you watch the last 007 flick, Casino Royale? If you did, you probably noticed that all throughout the movie, James Bond wears an spectacularly beautiful Omega watch... and he even brags about it! How would you like to be wearing that same exact model watch? The good news is that YOU can! Because now, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to sport an Omega watch! When you visit Diamond Replicas, you will be able to browse through dozens of Omega replica watches, and pick the one of your dreams for just a couple of hundred dollars. Our watches are of such undeniably high quality, and offer such superior performance, that you'll fall in love with them, and what's best: stay in love with them for years to come! Come inside Diamond Replicas and pick your new Omega today!
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Did you watch the last 007 flick, Casino Royale? If you did, you probably noticed that all throughout the movie, James Bond wears an spectacularly beautiful Omega watch... and he even brags about it! How would you like to be wearing that same exact model watch? The good news is that YOU can! Because now, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars to sport an Omega watch! When you visit Diamond Replicas, you will be able to browse through dozens of Omega replica watches, and pick the one of your dreams for just a couple of hundred dollars. Our watches are of such undeniably high quality, and offer such superior performance, that you'll fall in love with them, and what's best: stay in love with them for years to come! Come inside Diamond Replicas and pick your new Omega today!
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