From nobody Fri Sep 4 06:58:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353E21B353D; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 06:58:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jtD1YBPx7hRc; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 06:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias244.francetelecom.com [80.12.204.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BCB51B35EF; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 06:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfeda08.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.201]) by omfeda09.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id DD354C0A45; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:58:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.31.60]) by omfeda08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id B21D738406C; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:58:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILM7F.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::c1d7:e278:e357:11ad%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:58:12 +0200 From: To: "spring@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] working group last call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing Thread-Index: AQHQxIAjlIJXkhjyOEGX8eecbpYP854siPAw Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 13:58:11 +0000 Message-ID: <24544_1441375092_55E9A374_24544_10126_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF92166E577D@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <52A3B956-E9BD-4503-9DDD-D40314B93509@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <52A3B956-E9BD-4503-9DDD-D40314B93509@juniper.net> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.5] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2015.9.4.131515 Archived-At: Cc: "isis@ietf.org" , "6man@ietf.org" <6man@ietf.org>, "ospf@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] [mpls] working group last call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2015 13:58:21 -0000 Hi, I'm not aware of any IPR -----Original Message----- From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John G. Scudder Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 15:12 To: spring@ietf.org Cc: isis@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; 6man@ietf.org; ospf@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] working group last call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routi= ng Dear SPRING WG (and cc MPLS, OSPF, IS-IS, 6MAN, please include SPRING in re= plies per the reply-to): As we discussed at the SPRING meeting yesterday, working group last call ha= s been requested for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing. Please reply to the= list with your comments, including although not limited to whether or not = you support advancing the document to RFC. Non-authors are especially encou= raged to comment. In consideration of the fact that a number of WG calls are going on concurr= ently, we will end the call on August 31, 2015. Authors, please indicate whether you are aware of any relevant IPR and if s= o, whether it has been disclosed. (Please do this even if you've done it be= fore, thanks for your help.) 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From nobody Fri Sep 4 21:28:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08431B3CF7 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 21:28:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qJaYCn7alMvO for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 21:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B1F1B3D92 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 21:28:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150905042841.22353.41198.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2015 21:28:41 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Milestones changed for ospf WG X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2015 04:28:43 -0000 Deleted milestone "Develop multiple implementations, and test against each other.". Deleted milestone "Design the routing protocol, and write its specification.". Deleted milestone "Obtain performance data for the protocol.". Deleted milestone "Make changes to the specification (if necessary) and publish the protocol as a Draft Standard RFC.". Deleted milestone "Gather operational experience with the OSPF protocol and submit the document as an Informational RFC.". URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ospf/charter/ From nobody Sat Sep 5 03:53:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3251B51ED for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 03:53:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DVC8Bp91I8mb for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 03:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214B61B51F0 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 03:53:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150905105327.13775.26281.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2015 03:53:27 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Milestones changed for ospf WG X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:53:29 -0000 Changed milestone "Develop mechanisms for support of multi-area adjacencies on a single link and submit to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard", resolved as "Done". Changed milestone "Advance Link Local Signaling (LLS) from experimental status and submit to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard", resolved as "Done". URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ospf/charter/ From nobody Tue Sep 8 11:29:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E511B2D96 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 11:29:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ef81gwa_7XTH for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 11:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234A81B39F6 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 11:29:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150908182912.20048.97682.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 11:29:12 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Milestones changed for ospf WG X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 18:29:14 -0000 Changed milestone " Standardize OSPF PCE Capabilities Advertisement ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone " Standardize OSPFv2 Multi-Area Adjacency", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone " Standardize OSPFv3 Graceful Restart ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone " Standardize OSPFv3 Graceful Restart ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize OSPFv3 TE Extensions", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Update OSPFv3 (RFC 2740) ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standarize Dynamic Hostname Advertisement", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize OSPFv3 MIB ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone " Standardize OSPF Link Local Signalling (Experimental)", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone " Standardize OSPFv2 HMAC-SHA Cryptographic Authentication", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize OSPF TE Node Address Extensions ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Experimental OSPFv3 MANET Extensions", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize OSPFv3 Address Family extensions ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize OSPFv3 Authentication Trailer extensions ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize OSPFv2 multi-instance extensions ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize OSPFv3 as a Provider Edge Routing Protocol", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize OSPF/OSPFv3 Prefix Hiding mechanisms", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Update OSPF Stub Router (RFC 3107) mechanisms supporting OSPFv3 ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Publish experimental OSPF MANET extensions for Single-Hop Broadcast Networks ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize protocol extensions for OSPFv3 authentication supporting KARP requirements", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize TE Metric Extensions supporting delay, loss, and bandwith", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone " Standardize protocol extensions for OSPFv2 authentication supporting KARP requirements", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize protocol extensions for OSPFv3 autoconfiguration ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. 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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 13:05:22 -0000 Changed milestone "Develop OSPF for IPv6 MIB and submit to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard", resolved as "Done". 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Deleted milestone "Develop a OSPFv2 Multiple Topology Routing (MTR) MIB specification and submit to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard". Changed milestone "Develop stronger authentication mechanisms for OSPFv2 and submit to IESG as a Proposed Standard", resolved as "Done". Changed milestone " Standardize OSPF Link Local Signalling (Experimental)", resolved as "Done". URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ospf/charter/ From nobody Tue Sep 15 06:31:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11ACF1B46F9 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 06:31:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y-AQF5_TTCf0 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 06:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6051B474D for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150915133110.27304.89148.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 06:31:10 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Milestones changed for ospf WG X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:31:13 -0000 Changed milestone "Standardize OSPFv2 Extensions to advertise Prefix/Link Attributes ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. 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Changed milestone "Standardize OSPFv3 over IPv4 Extensions ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone " Publish Experimental Draft on OSPF TTZ ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize OSPF YANG Model ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone " Standardize OSPFv3 LSA Extensions ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize OSPF Flow Spec Extensions", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Standardize OSPFv3 Segment Routing Extensions ", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ospf/charter/ From nobody Mon Sep 21 07:29:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CD61B322D for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:29:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HJ_iDHPUuleb for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 538AF1B322A for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BXW34656; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:29:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.39) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:29:46 +0100 Received: from NKGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.203]) by nkgeml408-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.39]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 22:29:38 +0800 From: "Anil Kumar S N (VRP Network BL)" To: Peter Psenak , "sprevidi@cisco.com" , "cfilsfil@cisco.com" , "hannes@juniper.net" , "rob.shakir@bt.com" , "wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com" , Jeff Tantsura Thread-Topic: draft-psenak-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-05 Thread-Index: AdD0efEGYmUVEmanQcKHzuWy56aFHg== Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:29:37 +0000 Message-ID: <327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05EFEE@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.212.150] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05EFEEnkgeml512mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: [OSPF] draft-psenak-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-05 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:29:50 -0000 --_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05EFEEnkgeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Authors, In Segment Routing Architecture draft, There is a provision to allocate mu= ltiple Adj-SIDs to same adjacency in case of bundle interface. In IGP extension draft we need to have one more Adj-SID Sub-TLV type to dis= tribute SID's for bundle members with bundle member ID along with link type= /data & ID. Please let me know your opinion. Reference : https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-05 3.5. IGP-Adjacency Segment, Adj-SID A node MAY allocate multiple Adj-SIDs to the same adjacency. An example is where the adjacency is established over a bundle interface. Each bundle member MAY have its own Adj-SID. Thanks & Regards Anil S N "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" - Jon Po= stel --_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05EFEEnkgeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Authors,

 

In Segment Routing Architecture draft,  There i= s a provision to allocate multiple Adj-SIDs to same adjacency in case of bu= ndle interface.

In IGP extension draft we need to have one more Adj-= SID Sub-TLV type to distribute SID’s for bundle members with bundle m= ember ID along with link type/data & ID.

 

Please let me know your opinion.

 

Reference :

 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segm= ent-routing-05

 

3.5.  IGP-Adjacency Segment, Adj-SID

 

A node MAY = allocate multiple Adj-SIDs to the same adjacency.  An

  = ; example is where the adjacency is established over a bundle

  = ; interface.  Each bundle member MAY have its own Adj-SID.<= /span>

 

Thanks & Regards

Anil S N

 

“Be liberal in what you accept, and conservati= ve in what you send” - Jon Postel

 

 

--_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05EFEEnkgeml512mbxchi_-- From nobody Mon Sep 21 14:28:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F051A908C; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NetKPr-OscSh; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D2F11A7001; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:27:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4731; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1442870878; x=1444080478; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=aayisUWVJiXfzoBJRHz/9ocZwnALGeWE1qaTfWh9GEM=; b=OZwfp59DCmOpQIY6BNmyk4jNSkzeoOtyMjEdS5UqcrHK6GV/4lyCUInD 8V3VksrGKmYnYHf1U9W//3+o/M/i2/JFnP0PLSK6A1yTDWZyt/TTdCNre H2oyHoyuRr4BJhmEtyyjsyADuJNDCQ2xddLA86W0cVGFFTj1pC4fXflIa 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AWAgCMdQBW/49dJa1dgldNgUO9RgENh3SBOzgUAQEBAQEBAX8LhCcEeRIBDHQnBA6IM8t0AQEBAQEBAQMBAQEBAQEBG4ZzAYoJhDMFkjuDKQGNBpsaHwEBQoQBiVmBBQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,569,1437436800"; d="scan'208,217";a="190199352" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Sep 2015 21:27:57 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-012.cisco.com (xch-rcd-012.cisco.com [173.37.102.22]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8LLRvrH008406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Sep 2015 21:27:57 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-012.cisco.com (173.37.102.22) by XCH-RCD-012.cisco.com (173.37.102.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 16:27:56 -0500 Received: from xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com (173.36.12.86) by xch-rcd-012.cisco.com (173.37.102.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 16:27:56 -0500 Received: from xmb-aln-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.9.98]) by xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com ([173.36.12.86]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 16:27:56 -0500 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: "ospf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IANA Considerations in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis Thread-Index: AQHQ9LRhm+JodERs+k6Wx1tPPyBAAA== Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 21:27:55 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [173.36.7.20] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D225EE98D2A0Baretanaciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" , "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [OSPF] IANA Considerations in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 21:28:00 -0000 --_000_D225EE98D2A0Baretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [WG Participant Hat On] Hi! I know that the WG has asked for publication of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis,= but I would like to see a change in the IANA Considerations Section before= moving forward. Sorry for being so late.. The ID (and rfc4970) define a registry for OSPF RI TLVs. Currently, the on= ly way to get a value assigned is through Standards Action (which requires = a Standards Track RFC). There is a range reserved for Experimentation =97 = I understand why these values are not to be assigned (rfc3692). However, there is work that could that could benefit from a less strict ass= ignment policy, where the code may be in general deployment, and even enabl= ed by default in products =97 not what rfc3692 had in mind. In this case I= am specifically referring to the TTZ work =97 now that it is on the Experi= mental track, it doesn=92t meet the requirement for Standards Action and gi= ven the size of potential deployments I don=92t think it=92s practical to j= ust pick a value off the range reserved for Experimentation. I am sure tha= t, if not right now, other work will also benefit from a less strict policy= . Proposal: redefine the Reserved space so that half of it remains Reserved = (the top half) while the other half uses a different assignment policy. = I=92m proposing RFC Required (rfc5226) as the assignment policy. The text in 4970bis already talks about a Standards Track RFC being able to= change the assignment policy for the Reserved space =97 as long as we=92re= doing the bis work, we might as well include this change. Given that the ID is already with the AD, I could make the same comment whe= n the IETF Last Call is issued, but I think we may need WG consensus on cha= nging the registry =97 so it might be easier to take care of it now. Thanks! Alvaro. --_000_D225EE98D2A0Baretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
[WG Participant Hat On]

Hi!

I know that the WG has asked for publication of draft-ietf-ospf-r= fc4970bis, but I would like to see a change in the IANA Considerations Sect= ion before moving forward.   Sorry for being so late..

The ID (and rfc4970) define a registry for OSPF RI TLVs.  Cu= rrently, the only way to get a value assigned is through Standards Action (= which requires a Standards Track RFC).  There is a range reserved for = Experimentation =97 I understand why these values are not to be assigned (rfc3692).

However, there is work that could that could benefit from a less stric= t assignment policy, where the code may be in general deployment, and even = enabled by default in products =97 not what rfc3692 had in mind.  In t= his case I am specifically referring to the TTZ work =97 now that it is on the Experimental track, it doesn=92t me= et the requirement for Standards Action and given the size of potential dep= loyments I don=92t think it=92s practical to just pick a value off the rang= e reserved for Experimentation.  I am sure that, if not right now, other work will also benefit from a less strict po= licy.

Proposal:  redefine the Reserved space so that half of it remains= Reserved (the top half) while the other half uses a different assignment p= olicy.    I=92m proposing RFC Required (rfc5226) as the assignmen= t policy.

The text in 4970bis already talks about a Standards Track RFC being ab= le to change the assignment policy for the Reserved space =97 as long as we= =92re doing the bis work, we might as well include this change.

Given that the ID is already with the AD, I could make the same commen= t when the IETF Last Call is issued, but I think we may need WG consensus o= n changing the registry =97 so it might be easier to take care of it now.

Thanks!

Alvaro.
--_000_D225EE98D2A0Baretanaciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Sep 21 14:36:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655F51AC3BF; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9YFFwurOmzKX; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x229.google.com (mail-ob0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D98F1AC3B9; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbda8 with SMTP id da8so93391732obb.1; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:36:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=oIdCW5shtNefnS0Qb95yFDHiJDaHe4eAdlmI6FwLQcY=; b=i25UtTgqQYnzUzzWz7j7G8GPLqFRG1PwFA8ivLrHtHXArWW+jxK92OUebBO+UHCU6r nZEKHQ7XP4Oqk/Nn3zU9hbUbSbpv+58ga0eTWkF9rkLyGt9tt/YTb5dF0KpGyftvaZyA HziLgP1Nxq0GcCPil0sGqnuCDXq7DUwt4P/8sLVt0NVtyHw4tmimrysuaYQqAnfirPrt izJekEOq790gkEv3hdctRI4V3vyvm4xgaFK1O4aH/VmW6HRdwLpRG3/S+UDnWq94wrHd 1jMwVRirpgAgZ8fz1kPKHkgBkZ6xeQk2K+NwC1E/jQIqKdSF42rjLzk6O9fDtjF6s7aM RB+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.45.104 with SMTP id l8mr13813293oem.61.1442871398970; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.55.170 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:36:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 17:36:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149ce38313bf4052048adf2 Archived-At: Cc: "ospf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" , "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerations in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 21:36:46 -0000 --089e0149ce38313bf4052048adf2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alvaro, Is there a reason not to split up the Unassigned range into Standards Action and RFC Required? Also, are you picking RFC Required over IETF Review [RFC5226]? The former would open up for Independent Stream RFCs while the latter would not. Can we get opinions from the WG? I am expecting to do my AD review of this draft and get it moving - hopefully for the Oct 15 telechat - assuming the document is in the fine shape that I expect from the OSPF WG. Regards, Alia On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote: > [WG Participant Hat On] > > Hi! > > I know that the WG has asked for publication > of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis, but I would like to see a change in the IA= NA > Considerations Section before moving forward. Sorry for being so late.. > > The ID (and rfc4970) define a registry for OSPF RI TLVs. Currently, the > only way to get a value assigned is through Standards Action (which > requires a Standards Track RFC). There is a range reserved for > Experimentation =E2=80=94 I understand why these values are not to be ass= igned > (rfc3692). > > However, there is work that could that could benefit from a less strict > assignment policy, where the code may be in general deployment, and even > enabled by default in products =E2=80=94 not what rfc3692 had in mind. I= n this > case I am specifically referring to the TTZ work =E2=80=94 now that it is= on the > Experimental track, it doesn=E2=80=99t meet the requirement for Standards= Action > and given the size of potential deployments I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2= =80=99s practical to > just pick a value off the range reserved for Experimentation. I am sure > that, if not right now, other work will also benefit from a less strict > policy. > > Proposal: redefine the Reserved space so that half of it remains Reserve= d > (the top half) while the other half uses a different assignment policy. > I=E2=80=99m proposing RFC Required (rfc5226) as the assignment policy. > > The text in 4970bis already talks about a Standards Track RFC being able > to change the assignment policy for the Reserved space =E2=80=94 as long = as we=E2=80=99re > doing the bis work, we might as well include this change. > > Given that the ID is already with the AD, I could make the same comment > when the IETF Last Call is issued, but I think we may need WG consensus o= n > changing the registry =E2=80=94 so it might be easier to take care of it = now. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > --089e0149ce38313bf4052048adf2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alvaro,

Is there a reason not to split = up the Unassigned range into Standards Action and RFC Required?
A= lso, are you picking RFC Required over IETF Review [RFC5226]?=C2=A0 The for= mer would open up=C2=A0
for Independent Stream RFCs while the lat= ter would not.

Can we get opinions from the WG?=C2= =A0 I am expecting to do my AD review of this draft and get it
mo= ving - hopefully for the Oct 15 telechat - assuming the document is in the = fine shape that I
expect from the OSPF WG.=C2=A0

Regards,
Alia

=
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Alvaro Retana (= aretana) <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:
[WG Participant Hat On]

Hi!

I know that the WG has asked for publication of=C2=A0draft-ietf-ospf-r= fc4970bis, but I would like to see a change in the IANA Considerations Sect= ion before moving forward. =C2=A0 Sorry for being so late..

The ID (and rfc4970) define a registry for=C2=A0OSPF RI TLVs.=C2=A0 Cu= rrently, the only way to get a value assigned is through Standards Action (= which requires a Standards Track RFC).=C2=A0 There is a range reserved for = Experimentation =E2=80=94 I understand why these values are not to be assigned (rfc3692).

However, there is work that could that could benefit from a less stric= t assignment policy, where the code may be in general deployment, and even = enabled by default in products =E2=80=94 not what rfc3692 had in mind.=C2= =A0 In this case I am specifically referring to the TTZ work =E2=80=94 now that it is on the Experimental track, it doesn= =E2=80=99t meet the requirement for Standards Action and given the size of = potential deployments I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s practical to just = pick a value off the range reserved for=C2=A0Experimentation.=C2=A0 I am su= re that, if not right now, other work will also benefit from a less strict po= licy.

Proposal: =C2=A0redefine the Reserved space so that half of it remains= Reserved (the top half) while the other half uses a different assignment p= olicy. =C2=A0 =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m proposing RFC Required (rfc5226) as the ass= ignment policy.

The text in 4970bis already talks about a Standards Track RFC being ab= le to change the assignment policy for the Reserved space =E2=80=94 as long= as we=E2=80=99re doing the bis work, we might as well include this change.=

Given that the ID is already with the AD, I could make the same commen= t when the IETF Last Call is issued, but I think we may need WG consensus o= n changing the registry =E2=80=94 so it might be easier to take care of it = now.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acee, On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Speaking as a WG member: > > Hi Alvaro, Alia, > > If we are going to change this, I would propose we change the allocation > policy from =E2=80=9CStandards Action=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CIETF Review=E2= =80=9D as opposed to splitting > the range. > That works for me, if you are ok having Experimental stuff mixed in with Standards track. The former may become obsoleted and leave gaps. I'm happy to depend on your perspective and the WG to decide the best way forward. Regards, Alia > Thanks, > Acee > > From: Alia Atlas > Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5:36 PM > To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > Cc: OSPF WG List , "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" < > draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org>, "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" < > ospf-chairs@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerations in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis > > Alvaro, > > Is there a reason not to split up the Unassigned range into Standards > Action and RFC Required? > Also, are you picking RFC Required over IETF Review [RFC5226]? The forme= r > would open up > for Independent Stream RFCs while the latter would not. > > Can we get opinions from the WG? I am expecting to do my AD review of > this draft and get it > moving - hopefully for the Oct 15 telechat - assuming the document is in > the fine shape that I > expect from the OSPF WG. > > Regards, > Alia > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) < > aretana@cisco.com> wrote: > >> [WG Participant Hat On] >> >> Hi! >> >> I know that the WG has asked for publication >> of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis, but I would like to see a change in the I= ANA >> Considerations Section before moving forward. Sorry for being so late.= . >> >> The ID (and rfc4970) define a registry for OSPF RI TLVs. Currently, the >> only way to get a value assigned is through Standards Action (which >> requires a Standards Track RFC). There is a range reserved for >> Experimentation =E2=80=94 I understand why these values are not to be as= signed >> (rfc3692). >> >> However, there is work that could that could benefit from a less strict >> assignment policy, where the code may be in general deployment, and even >> enabled by default in products =E2=80=94 not what rfc3692 had in mind. = In this >> case I am specifically referring to the TTZ work =E2=80=94 now that it i= s on the >> Experimental track, it doesn=E2=80=99t meet the requirement for Standard= s Action >> and given the size of potential deployments I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2= =80=99s practical to >> just pick a value off the range reserved for Experimentation. I am sure >> that, if not right now, other work will also benefit from a less strict >> policy. >> >> Proposal: redefine the Reserved space so that half of it remains >> Reserved (the top half) while the other half uses a different assignment >> policy. I=E2=80=99m proposing RFC Required (rfc5226) as the assignmen= t policy. >> >> The text in 4970bis already talks about a Standards Track RFC being able >> to change the assignment policy for the Reserved space =E2=80=94 as long= as we=E2=80=99re >> doing the bis work, we might as well include this change. >> >> Given that the ID is already with the AD, I could make the same comment >> when the IETF Last Call is issued, but I think we may need WG consensus = on >> changing the registry =E2=80=94 so it might be easier to take care of it= now. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Alvaro. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSPF mailing list >> OSPF@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> > --001a113d3938ab4372052048fda6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Acee,

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) = <acee@cisco.com&= gt; wrote:
Speaking as a WG member:

Hi Alvaro, Alia,=C2=A0

If we are going to change this, I would propose we change the allocati= on policy from =E2=80=9CStandards Action=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CIETF Review= =E2=80=9D =C2=A0as opposed to splitting the range.=C2=A0

That works for me, if you are ok having Experimen= tal stuff mixed in with Standards track.=C2=A0 The =C2=A0former may become<= /div>
obsoleted and leave gaps.

I'm happy = to depend on your perspective and the WG to decide the best way forward.

Regards,
Alia=C2=A0

=C2=A0
Thanks,
Acee=C2=A0

From: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 at= 5:36 PM
To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)&q= uot; <aretana@cis= co.com>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "draft-iet= f-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org<= /a>>, "ospf-chair= s@ietf.org" <ospf-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerat= ions in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis

Alvaro,

Is there a reason not to split up the Unassigned range into Standards = Action and RFC Required?
Also, are you picking RFC Required over IETF Review [RFC5226]?=C2=A0 T= he former would open up=C2=A0
for Independent Stream RFCs while the latter would not.

Can we get opinions from the WG?=C2=A0 I am expecting to do my AD revi= ew of this draft and get it
moving - hopefully for the Oct 15 telechat - assuming the document is = in the fine shape that I
expect from the OSPF WG.=C2=A0

Regards,
Alia

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Alvaro Retana (= aretana) <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:
[WG Participant Hat On]

Hi!

I know that the WG has asked for publication of=C2=A0draft-ietf-ospf-r= fc4970bis, but I would like to see a change in the IANA Considerations Sect= ion before moving forward. =C2=A0 Sorry for being so late..

The ID (and rfc4970) define a registry for=C2=A0OSPF RI TLVs.=C2=A0 Cu= rrently, the only way to get a value assigned is through Standards Action (= which requires a Standards Track RFC).=C2=A0 There is a range reserved for = Experimentation =E2=80=94 I understand why these values are not to be assigned (rfc3692).

However, there is work that could that could benefit from a less stric= t assignment policy, where the code may be in general deployment, and even = enabled by default in products =E2=80=94 not what rfc3692 had in mind.=C2= =A0 In this case I am specifically referring to the TTZ work =E2=80=94 now that it is on the Experimental track, it doesn= =E2=80=99t meet the requirement for Standards Action and given the size of = potential deployments I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s practical to just = pick a value off the range reserved for=C2=A0Experimentation.=C2=A0 I am su= re that, if not right now, other work will also benefit from a less strict po= licy.

Proposal: =C2=A0redefine the Reserved space so that half of it remains= Reserved (the top half) while the other half uses a different assignment p= olicy. =C2=A0 =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m proposing RFC Required (rfc5226) as the ass= ignment policy.

The text in 4970bis already talks about a Standards Track RFC being ab= le to change the assignment policy for the Reserved space =E2=80=94 as long= as we=E2=80=99re doing the bis work, we might as well include this change.=

Given that the ID is already with the AD, I could make the same commen= t when the IETF Last Call is issued, but I think we may need WG consensus o= n changing the registry =E2=80=94 so it might be easier to take care of it = now.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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<54C1B2D0-B9D3-4125-A19C-5705359C8367@cisco.com> References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "ospf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" , "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerations in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 22:32:34 -0000 .. > On Sep 21, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > If we are going to change this, I would propose we change the allocation = policy from =93Standards Action=94 to =93IETF Review=94 as opposed to spli= tting the range.=20 That works for me. Thanks! Alvaro.= From nobody Mon Sep 21 15:33:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7570A1ACD6D; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZXssWGZn2lSn; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x234.google.com (mail-ob0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 561821ACD6A; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbzf10 with SMTP id zf10so93987687obb.2; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:33:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MzgBXRTwXwjbv3Pw86F9ryap7laZAevJ5VrMXw0pItE=; b=PIPo87yRMGdUmYo8FKl0Ieai2QgfS/CKgdDWKGTSjG2/8Dwcqr+DrkYHSN5v8tcSp1 ktvjQZlm7/s4OGfMu0jOxC0wKHXAi35oqv8A29qJpk35vaxw9VHw0A4WLPEkeamMPu0q dEDfqDedla22gbF5G2hbXxzqL5lebvleeCfmZRsbDKmjgCJkh0dV9oGY3ZICjgQlKuVK 033+J8EjdO68dTf+9tebY6fsEjlaqJOf0GoJmsf4b5Z1EdOz1C599rTopaeW77KqzJwB vzzwPVV9gQ1tknj/lqKIvwNg/Qll+V9AA3LLgdOznKBXNIeJurfdNZdQzFxDDde9xlnc ii/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.67.105 with SMTP id m9mr13950205oet.68.1442874781516; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.55.170 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:33:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:33:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c301fcced19a052049763f Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" , "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" , "ospf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerations in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 22:33:05 -0000 --001a11c301fcced19a052049763f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok - so change the whole range from Unassigned (Standards Action) to Unassigned (IETF Review)? Do others have opinions? Thanks, Alia On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Alia, > > From: Alia Atlas > Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5:59 PM > To: Acee Lindem > Cc: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" , OSPF WG List < > ospf@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" < > draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org>, "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" < > ospf-chairs@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerations in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis > > Acee, > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: > >> Speaking as a WG member: >> >> Hi Alvaro, Alia, >> >> If we are going to change this, I would propose we change the allocation >> policy from =E2=80=9CStandards Action=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CIETF Review= =E2=80=9D as opposed to splitting >> the range. >> > > That works for me, if you are ok having Experimental stuff mixed in with > Standards track. The former may become > obsoleted and leave gaps. > > > I guess I=E2=80=99m not worried about the space being contiguous. Also, i= t seems > the most common reason to obsolete an experimental draft is that it becom= es > accepted enough to be standards track. For everyone=E2=80=99s edification= , here are > the definitions from RFC 5226: > > > IETF Review - (Formerly called "IETF Consensus" in > [IANA-CONSIDERATIONS]) New values are assigned only through > RFCs that have been shepherded through the IESG as AD- > Sponsored or IETF WG Documents [RFC3932] [RFC3978]. The > intention is that the document and proposed assignment will > be reviewed by the IESG and appropriate IETF WGs (or > experts, if suitable working groups no longer exist) to > ensure that the proposed assignment will not negatively > impact interoperability or otherwise extend IETF protocols > in an inappropriate or damaging manner. > > To ensure adequate community review, such documents are > shepherded through the IESG as AD-sponsored (or WG) > documents with an IETF Last Call. > > Examples: IPSECKEY Algorithm Types [RFC4025], > Accounting-Auth-Method AVP values in DIAMETER [RFC4005], TLS > Handshake Hello Extensions [RFC4366]. > > Standards Action - Values are assigned only for Standards Track > RFCs approved by the IESG. > > Examples: BGP message types [RFC4271], Mobile Node > Identifier option types [RFC4283], DCCP Packet Types > [RFC4340]. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > > > > > > I'm happy to depend on your perspective and the WG to decide the best way > forward. > > Regards, > Alia > > > >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> From: Alia Atlas >> Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5:36 PM >> To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" >> Cc: OSPF WG List , "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" = < >> draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org>, "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" < >> ospf-chairs@ietf.org> >> Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerations in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis >> >> Alvaro, >> >> Is there a reason not to split up the Unassigned range into Standards >> Action and RFC Required? >> Also, are you picking RFC Required over IETF Review [RFC5226]? The >> former would open up >> for Independent Stream RFCs while the latter would not. >> >> Can we get opinions from the WG? I am expecting to do my AD review of >> this draft and get it >> moving - hopefully for the Oct 15 telechat - assuming the document is in >> the fine shape that I >> expect from the OSPF WG. >> >> Regards, >> Alia >> >> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) < >> aretana@cisco.com> wrote: >> >>> [WG Participant Hat On] >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I know that the WG has asked for publication >>> of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis, but I would like to see a change in the = IANA >>> Considerations Section before moving forward. Sorry for being so late= .. >>> >>> The ID (and rfc4970) define a registry for OSPF RI TLVs. Currently, th= e >>> only way to get a value assigned is through Standards Action (which >>> requires a Standards Track RFC). There is a range reserved for >>> Experimentation =E2=80=94 I understand why these values are not to be a= ssigned >>> (rfc3692). >>> >>> However, there is work that could that could benefit from a less strict >>> assignment policy, where the code may be in general deployment, and eve= n >>> enabled by default in products =E2=80=94 not what rfc3692 had in mind. = In this >>> case I am specifically referring to the TTZ work =E2=80=94 now that it = is on the >>> Experimental track, it doesn=E2=80=99t meet the requirement for Standar= ds Action >>> and given the size of potential deployments I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2= =80=99s practical to >>> just pick a value off the range reserved for Experimentation. I am sur= e >>> that, if not right now, other work will also benefit from a less strict >>> policy. >>> >>> Proposal: redefine the Reserved space so that half of it remains >>> Reserved (the top half) while the other half uses a different assignmen= t >>> policy. I=E2=80=99m proposing RFC Required (rfc5226) as the assignme= nt policy. >>> >>> The text in 4970bis already talks about a Standards Track RFC being abl= e >>> to change the assignment policy for the Reserved space =E2=80=94 as lon= g as we=E2=80=99re >>> doing the bis work, we might as well include this change. >>> >>> Given that the ID is already with the AD, I could make the same comment >>> when the IETF Last Call is issued, but I think we may need WG consensus= on >>> changing the registry =E2=80=94 so it might be easier to take care of i= t now. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Alvaro. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSPF mailing list >>> OSPF@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>> >>> >> > --001a11c301fcced19a052049763f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok - so change the whole range from Unassigned (Standards = Action) to Unassigned (IETF Review)?

Do others have opin= ions? =C2=A0=C2=A0

Thanks,
Alia

On Mon, Sep 21= , 2015 at 6:13 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi Alia,=C2=A0

From: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 at= 5:59 PM
To: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
Cc: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)&q= uot; <aretana@cis= co.com>, OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org= " <draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org>, "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" <ospf-chairs@ietf.org= >
Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerat= ions in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis

Acee,

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Acee Lindem (ac= ee) <acee@cisco.com&= gt; wrote:
Speaking as a WG member:

Hi Alvaro, Alia,=C2=A0

If we are going to change this, I would propose we change the allocati= on policy from =E2=80=9CStandards Action=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CIETF Review= =E2=80=9D =C2=A0as opposed to splitting the range.=C2=A0

That works for me, if you are ok having Experimental stuff mixed in wi= th Standards track.=C2=A0 The =C2=A0former may become
obsoleted and leave gaps.

I guess I=E2=80=99m not worried about the space being contiguous. Also, it = seems the most common reason to obsolete an experimental draft is that it b= ecomes accepted enough to be standards track. For everyone=E2=80=99s edific= ation, here are the definitions from RFC 5226:


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IETF Review - (= Formerly called "IETF Consensus" in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 [IANA-CONSIDERATIONS]) New values are assigned only through
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 RFCs that have been shepherded through the IESG as AD-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 Sponsored or IETF WG Documents [RFC3932] [RFC3978].=C2=A0 The=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 intention is that the document and proposed assignment will
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 be reviewed by the IESG and appropriate IETF WGs (or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 experts, if suitable working groups no longer exist) to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 ensure that the proposed assignment will not negatively
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 impact interoperability or otherwise extend IETF protocols
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 in an inappropriate or damaging manner.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 To ensure adequate community review, such documents are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 shepherded through the IESG as AD-sponsored (or WG)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 documents with an IETF Last Call.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 Examples: IPSECKEY Algorithm Types [RFC4025],
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 Accounting-Auth-Method AVP values in DIAMETER [RFC4005], TLS<= /div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 Handshake Hello Extensions [RFC4366].

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Standards Actio= n - Values are assigned only for Standards Track
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 RFCs approved by the IESG.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 Examples: BGP message types [RFC4271], Mobile Node
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 Identifier option types [RFC4283], DCCP Packet Types
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 [RFC4340].

Thanks,
Acee=C2=A0








I'm happy to depend on your perspective and the WG to decide the b= est way forward.

Regards,
Alia=C2=A0

=C2=A0
Thanks,
Acee=C2=A0

From: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 at= 5:36 PM
To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)&q= uot; <aretana@cis= co.com>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "draft-iet= f-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org<= /a>>, "ospf-chair= s@ietf.org" <ospf-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerat= ions in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis

Alvaro,

Is there a reason not to split up the Unassigned range into Standards = Action and RFC Required?
Also, are you picking RFC Required over IETF Review [RFC5226]?=C2=A0 T= he former would open up=C2=A0
for Independent Stream RFCs while the latter would not.

Can we get opinions from the WG?=C2=A0 I am expecting to do my AD revi= ew of this draft and get it
moving - hopefully for the Oct 15 telechat - assuming the document is = in the fine shape that I
expect from the OSPF WG.=C2=A0

Regards,
Alia

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Alvaro Retana (= aretana) <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:
[WG Participant Hat On]

Hi!

I know that the WG has asked for publication of=C2=A0draft-ietf-ospf-r= fc4970bis, but I would like to see a change in the IANA Considerations Sect= ion before moving forward. =C2=A0 Sorry for being so late..

The ID (and rfc4970) define a registry for=C2=A0OSPF RI TLVs.=C2=A0 Cu= rrently, the only way to get a value assigned is through Standards Action (= which requires a Standards Track RFC).=C2=A0 There is a range reserved for = Experimentation =E2=80=94 I understand why these values are not to be assigned (rfc3692).

However, there is work that could that could benefit from a less stric= t assignment policy, where the code may be in general deployment, and even = enabled by default in products =E2=80=94 not what rfc3692 had in mind.=C2= =A0 In this case I am specifically referring to the TTZ work =E2=80=94 now that it is on the Experimental track, it doesn= =E2=80=99t meet the requirement for Standards Action and given the size of = potential deployments I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s practical to just = pick a value off the range reserved for=C2=A0Experimentation.=C2=A0 I am su= re that, if not right now, other work will also benefit from a less strict po= licy.

Proposal: =C2=A0redefine the Reserved space so that half of it remains= Reserved (the top half) while the other half uses a different assignment p= olicy. =C2=A0 =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m proposing RFC Required (rfc5226) as the ass= ignment policy.

The text in 4970bis already talks about a Standards Track RFC being ab= le to change the assignment policy for the Reserved space =E2=80=94 as long= as we=E2=80=99re doing the bis work, we might as well include this change.=

Given that the ID is already with the AD, I could make the same commen= t when the IETF Last Call is issued, but I think we may need WG consensus o= n changing the registry =E2=80=94 so it might be easier to take care of it = now.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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nkgeml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 14:43:40 +0800 From: "Anil Kumar S N (VRP Network BL)" To: Peter Psenak , "sprevidi@cisco.com" , "cfilsfil@cisco.com" , "hannes@juniper.net" , "rob.shakir@bt.com" , "wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com" , Jeff Tantsura , "draft-psenak-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-05.all@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-psenak-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-05 Thread-Index: AdD0efEGYmUVEmanQcKHzuWy56aFHgAhWbdQ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 06:43:39 +0000 Message-ID: <327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F174@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.212.150] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F174nkgeml512mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] draft-psenak-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-05 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 06:43:49 -0000 --_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F174nkgeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Authors, In Section : 2 4.2. Prefix SID Sub-TLV, L-Flag represent IGP segment is lo= cal or global (Suggest to change to G so that it will be consistent with Se= gment Routing Architecture draft) similar to that can we have A-Flag to ind= icate Anycast SID. The L-Flag: Local/Global Flag. If set, then the value/index carried by the PrefixSID has local significance. If not set, then the value/index carried by this subTLV has global significance. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-00#page-17 3.2. IGP Segment Terminology 3.2.1. IGP Segment, IGP SID The terms "IGP Segment" and "IGP SID" are the generic names for a segment attached to a piece of information advertised by a link-state IGP, e.g. an IGP prefix or an IGP adjacency. The IGP signaling extension to advertise an IGP segment includes the G-Flag indicating whether the IGP segment is global or local. IGP-SID +--+--+ / | \ Prefix-SID x Adj-SID +----+---+ / | \ Node-SID y Anycast-SID Figure 7: IGP SID Terminology The IGP Segment terminology is introduced to ease the documentation of SR use-cases and hence does not propose a name for any possible variation of IGP segment supported by the architecture. For example, y in Figure 7 could represent a local IGP segment attached to an IGP Prefix. This variation, while supported by the SR architecture is not seen in the SR use-cases and hence does not receive a specific name. Thanks & Regards Anil S N "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" - Jon Po= stel From: Anil Kumar S N (VRP Network BL) Sent: 21 September 2015 20:00 To: 'Peter Psenak'; 'sprevidi@cisco.com'; 'cfilsfil@cisco.com'; 'hannes@jun= iper.net'; 'rob.shakir@bt.com'; 'wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com'; Jeff T= antsura Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: draft-psenak-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-05 Hi Authors, In Segment Routing Architecture draft, There is a provision to allocate mu= ltiple Adj-SIDs to same adjacency in case of bundle interface. In IGP extension draft we need to have one more Adj-SID Sub-TLV type to dis= tribute SID's for bundle members with bundle member ID along with link type= /data & ID. Please let me know your opinion. Reference : https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-05 3.5. IGP-Adjacency Segment, Adj-SID A node MAY allocate multiple Adj-SIDs to the same adjacency. An example is where the adjacency is established over a bundle interface. Each bundle member MAY have its own Adj-SID. Thanks & Regards Anil S N "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" - Jon Po= stel --_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F174nkgeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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  = ; variation of IGP segment supported by the architecture.  For example= ,

  = ; y in Figure 7 could represent a local IGP segment attached to an IGP=

  = ; Prefix.  This variation, while supported by the SR architecture is

  = ; not seen in the SR use-cases and hence does not receive a specific

  = ; name.

 

 

Thanks & Regards

Anil S N

 

“Be liberal in w= hat you accept, and conservative in what you send” - Jon Postel<= /o:p>

 

 

From: Anil Kum= ar S N (VRP Network BL)
Sent: 21 September 2015 20:00
To: 'Peter Psenak'; 'sprevidi@cisco.com'; 'cfilsfil@cisco.com'; 'han= nes@juniper.net'; 'rob.shakir@bt.com'; 'wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com';= Jeff Tantsura
Cc: OSPF WG List
Subject: draft-psenak-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-05<= /span>

 

Hi Authors,

 

In Segment Routing Architecture draft,  There i= s a provision to allocate multiple Adj-SIDs to same adjacency in case of bu= ndle interface.

In IGP extension draft we need to have one more Adj-= SID Sub-TLV type to distribute SID’s for bundle members with bundle m= ember ID along with link type/data & ID.

 

Please let me know your opinion.

 

Reference :

 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segm= ent-routing-05

 

3.5.  IGP-Adjacency Segment, Adj-SID

 

A node MAY = allocate multiple Adj-SIDs to the same adjacency.  An

  = ; example is where the adjacency is established over a bundle

  = ; interface.  Each bundle member MAY have its own Adj-SID.<= /span>

 

Thanks & Regards

Anil S N

 

“Be liberal in what you accept, and conservati= ve in what you send” - Jon Postel

 

 

--_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F174nkgeml512mbxchi_-- From nobody Tue Sep 22 01:02:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4CC1A01F4; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m1s1sjU44ufc; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 312861A0181; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CBO70336; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:02:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.36) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 09:02:26 +0100 Received: from NKGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.203]) by nkgeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:02:22 +0800 From: "Anil Kumar S N (VRP Network BL)" To: Peter Psenak , "sprevidi@cisco.com" , "cfilsfil@cisco.com" , "hannes@juniper.net" , "rob.shakir@bt.com" , "draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions.all@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-03 Thread-Index: AdD1DQJIQ5Q47XwURc2+jKkx8N5BFA== Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:02:21 +0000 Message-ID: <327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F21E@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.212.150] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F21Enkgeml512mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: [OSPF] draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-03 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:02:33 -0000 --_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F21Enkgeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Authors, In OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing I couldn't find any references to = MT-ID considered for Node, Prefix & Adjacency SID advertisement in contrast= to OSPFv2 and ISIS SR extensions. Please let me know you opinion on the same. Thanks & Regards Anil S N "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" - Jon Po= stel --_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F21Enkgeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Authors,

 

In OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing I couldn= 217;t find any references to MT-ID considered for Node, Prefix & Adjace= ncy SID advertisement in contrast to OSPFv2 and ISIS SR extensions.

 

Please let me know you opinion on the same.

 

Thanks & Regards

Anil S N

 

“Be liberal in what you accept, and conservati= ve in what you send” - Jon Postel

 

 

--_000_327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F21Enkgeml512mbxchi_-- From nobody Tue Sep 22 01:12:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528F61A0270; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:12:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vs7fyNPTk6CR; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACD471A0248; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:12:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=594; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1442909547; x=1444119147; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OCFCI7OdH35xUySYUbU++ggUiM0AhrDgdpG/DXk59sU=; b=JTJDmB6fMg+0UOWY9px05dqcrWcilhfHrroMHDpUZB7XDZuolQ4ixCDi YYsgHxVGFFdFYWQJWYgBqj/salWGc3kY49FQXMGF3mjKiT7x0ByVGD4gA asoMZpbd5wUYFNK3UCLHIjUKJrs/MVP2GYf46jisPwW8iPb228hEx9cab U=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,572,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="605274415" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 22 Sep 2015 08:12:25 +0000 Received: from [10.60.140.62] (ams-ppsenak-nitro13.cisco.com [10.60.140.62]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8M8COLf009044; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:12:24 GMT Message-ID: <56010D68.4040807@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:12:24 +0200 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Anil Kumar S N (VRP Network BL)" , "sprevidi@cisco.com" , "cfilsfil@cisco.com" , "hannes@juniper.net" , "rob.shakir@bt.com" , "draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions.all@ietf.org" References: <327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F21E@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F21E@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-03 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:12:28 -0000 Anil, there is no support for multi topology in existing OSPFv3 specification. We can not define it in the SR draft. thanks, Peter On 9/22/15 10:02 , Anil Kumar S N (VRP Network BL) wrote: > Hi Authors, > > In OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing I couldn’t find any references > to MT-ID considered for Node, Prefix & Adjacency SID advertisement in > contrast to OSPFv2 and ISIS SR extensions. > > Please let me know you opinion on the same. > > Thanks & Regards > > Anil S N > > “Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send” - Jon > Postel > From nobody Tue Sep 22 01:21:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0401A0383; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ff6IkAxonsrK; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com (mail-wi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F5871A0398; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicgb1 with SMTP id gb1so148227324wic.1; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:21:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DETdF+F5B3wcXOJjltE3kdAMfsO/lwwQ/kCN4Q3i1dE=; b=MLoA5nBUljdG5Sr2K7fqrE7cuhRyDiZ6I4b2XodYkdn0Ys43Db0lkdHXGZiDcIAAgi NQd66cr79yDhOize6KoAUOBpLoBVGvm9or8rwdJRPg2IzcQ+8hkxvk6JJflcq+V3K14M 3fKM1LcWPL0DZJ8kH+ke6n65wKf86r4VDxxe9zF0KNspWfmzoqAUgi6b06HbswGhaPxG uN/kz1sBPVAxwwp3wRFf40xfI1C2MgQelQd3xV8oDCwOOQFaKqBRFdHZcPcjOllOtsk8 cwgawJR9EKijfOVRbjXrFJDnSTyog90a/QS/mKh6Zy5xeLJDHkmwkD7K5zvjT/33jE9W U2Xg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.58.177 with SMTP id s17mr32382238wjq.102.1442910076957; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.172.137 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.172.137 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:21:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <56010D68.4040807@cisco.com> References: <327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C05F21E@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <56010D68.4040807@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:51:16 +0530 Message-ID: From: Anil Kumar To: Peter Psenak Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7ba9791a947bf4052051aeac Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions.all@ietf.org" , "cfilsfil@cisco.com" , OSPF WG List , "rob.shakir@bt.com" Subject: Re: [OSPF] draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-03 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:21:24 -0000 --047d7ba9791a947bf4052051aeac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks peter I overlooked it :) Thanks & Regards Anil S N " Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" - Jon postel On Sep 22, 2015 1:42 PM, "Peter Psenak" wrote: > Anil, > > there is no support for multi topology in existing OSPFv3 specification. > We can not define it in the SR draft. > > thanks, > Peter > > On 9/22/15 10:02 , Anil Kumar S N (VRP Network BL) wrote: > >> Hi Authors, >> >> In OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing I couldn=E2=80=99t find any ref= erences >> to MT-ID considered for Node, Prefix & Adjacency SID advertisement in >> contrast to OSPFv2 and ISIS SR extensions. >> >> Please let me know you opinion on the same. >> >> Thanks & Regards >> >> Anil S N >> >> =E2=80=9CBe liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you sen= d=E2=80=9D - Jon >> Postel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > --047d7ba9791a947bf4052051aeac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks peter I overlooked it :)

Thanks & Regards
Anil S N

" Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in wh= at you send" - Jon postel

On Sep 22, 2015 1:42 PM, "Peter Psenak"= ; <ppsenak@cisco.com> wrote:=
Anil,

there is no support for multi topology in existing OSPFv3 specification. We= can not define it in the SR draft.

thanks,
Peter

On 9/22/15 10:02 , Anil Kumar S N (VRP Network BL) wrote:
Hi Authors,

In OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing I couldn=E2=80=99t find any refere= nces
to MT-ID considered for Node, Prefix & Adjacency SID advertisement in contrast to OSPFv2 and ISIS SR extensions.

Please let me know you opinion on the same.

Thanks & Regards

Anil S N

=E2=80=9CBe liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send= =E2=80=9D - Jon
Postel


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--Apple-Mail-7AB9F5A5-91D0-4DBA-8E19-DE8188EBE1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree problem should be solved and given the size of the range not splitti= ng it seems reasonable. -Jon > On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: >=20 > Ok - so change the whole range from Unassigned (Standards Action) to Unass= igned (IETF Review)? >=20 > Do others have opinions? =20 >=20 > Thanks, > Alia >=20 >> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrot= e: >> Hi Alia,=20 >>=20 >> From: Alia Atlas >> Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5:59 PM >> To: Acee Lindem >> Cc: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" , OSPF WG List , "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" , "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" >> Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerations in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis >>=20 >> Acee, >>=20 >>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wro= te: >>> Speaking as a WG member: >>>=20 >>> Hi Alvaro, Alia,=20 >>>=20 >>> If we are going to change this, I would propose we change the allocation= policy from =E2=80=9CStandards Action=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CIETF Review=E2=80= =9D as opposed to splitting the range.=20 >>=20 >> That works for me, if you are ok having Experimental stuff mixed in with S= tandards track. The former may become >> obsoleted and leave gaps. >>=20 >> I guess I=E2=80=99m not worried about the space being contiguous. Also, i= t seems the most common reason to obsolete an experimental draft is that it b= ecomes accepted enough to be standards track. For everyone=E2=80=99s edifica= tion, here are the definitions from RFC 5226: >>=20 >>=20 >> IETF Review - (Formerly called "IETF Consensus" in >> [IANA-CONSIDERATIONS]) New values are assigned only through >> RFCs that have been shepherded through the IESG as AD- >> Sponsored or IETF WG Documents [RFC3932] [RFC3978]. The >> intention is that the document and proposed assignment will >> be reviewed by the IESG and appropriate IETF WGs (or >> experts, if suitable working groups no longer exist) to >> ensure that the proposed assignment will not negatively >> impact interoperability or otherwise extend IETF protocols >> in an inappropriate or damaging manner. >>=20 >> To ensure adequate community review, such documents are >> shepherded through the IESG as AD-sponsored (or WG) >> documents with an IETF Last Call. >>=20 >> Examples: IPSECKEY Algorithm Types [RFC4025], >> Accounting-Auth-Method AVP values in DIAMETER [RFC4005], TLS >> Handshake Hello Extensions [RFC4366]. >>=20 >> Standards Action - Values are assigned only for Standards Track >> RFCs approved by the IESG. >>=20 >> Examples: BGP message types [RFC4271], Mobile Node >> Identifier option types [RFC4283], DCCP Packet Types >> [RFC4340]. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Acee=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I'm happy to depend on your perspective and the WG to decide the best way= forward. >>=20 >> Regards, >> Alia=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>> Thanks, >>> Acee=20 >>>=20 >>> From: Alia Atlas >>> Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5:36 PM >>> To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" >>> Cc: OSPF WG List , "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" <= draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org>, "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" >>> Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerations in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis >>>=20 >>> Alvaro, >>>=20 >>> Is there a reason not to split up the Unassigned range into Standards Ac= tion and RFC Required? >>> Also, are you picking RFC Required over IETF Review [RFC5226]? The form= er would open up=20 >>> for Independent Stream RFCs while the latter would not. >>>=20 >>> Can we get opinions from the WG? I am expecting to do my AD review of t= his draft and get it >>> moving - hopefully for the Oct 15 telechat - assuming the document is in= the fine shape that I >>> expect from the OSPF WG.=20 >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>> Alia >>>=20 >>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote: >>>> [WG Participant Hat On] >>>>=20 >>>> Hi! >>>>=20 >>>> I know that the WG has asked for publication of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970= bis, but I would like to see a change in the IANA Considerations Section bef= ore moving forward. Sorry for being so late.. >>>>=20 >>>> The ID (and rfc4970) define a registry for OSPF RI TLVs. Currently, th= e only way to get a value assigned is through Standards Action (which requir= es a Standards Track RFC). There is a range reserved for Experimentation =E2= =80=94 I understand why these values are not to be assigned (rfc3692). >>>>=20 >>>> However, there is work that could that could benefit from a less strict= assignment policy, where the code may be in general deployment, and even en= abled by default in products =E2=80=94 not what rfc3692 had in mind. In thi= s case I am specifically referring to the TTZ work =E2=80=94 now that it is o= n the Experimental track, it doesn=E2=80=99t meet the requirement for Standa= rds Action and given the size of potential deployments I don=E2=80=99t think= it=E2=80=99s practical to just pick a value off the range reserved for Expe= rimentation. I am sure that, if not right now, other work will also benefit= from a less strict policy. >>>>=20 >>>> Proposal: redefine the Reserved space so that half of it remains Reser= ved (the top half) while the other half uses a different assignment policy. = I=E2=80=99m proposing RFC Required (rfc5226) as the assignment policy. >>>>=20 >>>> The text in 4970bis already talks about a Standards Track RFC being abl= e to change the assignment policy for the Reserved space =E2=80=94 as long a= s we=E2=80=99re doing the bis work, we might as well include this change. >>>>=20 >>>> Given that the ID is already with the AD, I could make the same comment= when the IETF Last Call is issued, but I think we may need WG consensus on c= hanging the registry =E2=80=94 so it might be easier to take care of it now.= >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks! >>>>=20 >>>> Alvaro. >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSPF mailing list >>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Apple-Mail-7AB9F5A5-91D0-4DBA-8E19-DE8188EBE1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree problem should b= e solved and given the size of the range not splitting it seems reasonable.<= br>
-Jon

On Sep 21, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Alia Atlas= <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok - so change t= he whole range from Unassigned (Standards Action) to Unassigned (IETF Review= )?

Do others have opinions?   

Thanks,
Alia

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Acee Lindem (acee)= <a= cee@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi Alia, 

From: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5= :59 PM
To: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
Cc: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com&g= t;, OSPF WG List <ospf= @ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org>, "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" <ospf-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerati= ons in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis

Acee,

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Acee Lindem (ace= e) <acee@cisco.com&g= t; wrote:
Speaking as a WG member:

Hi Alvaro, Alia, 

If we are going to change this, I would propose we change the allocatio= n policy from =E2=80=9CStandards Action=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CIETF Review=E2=80= =9D  as opposed to splitting the range. 

That works for me, if you are ok having Experimental stuff mixed in wit= h Standards track.  The  former may become
obsoleted and leave gaps.

I guess I=E2=80=99m not worried about the space being contiguous. Also, it s= eems the most common reason to obsolete an experimental draft is that it bec= omes accepted enough to be standards track. For everyone=E2=80=99s edificati= on, here are the definitions from RFC 5226:


      IETF Review - (Fo= rmerly called "IETF Consensus" in
          &n= bsp; [IANA-CONSIDERATIONS]) New values are assigned only through
          &n= bsp; RFCs that have been shepherded through the IESG as AD-
          &n= bsp; Sponsored or IETF WG Documents [RFC3932] [RFC3978].  The
          &n= bsp; intention is that the document and proposed assignment will
          &n= bsp; be reviewed by the IESG and appropriate IETF WGs (or
          &n= bsp; experts, if suitable working groups no longer exist) to
          &n= bsp; ensure that the proposed assignment will not negatively
          &n= bsp; impact interoperability or otherwise extend IETF protocols
=
          &n= bsp; in an inappropriate or damaging manner.

          &n= bsp; To ensure adequate community review, such documents are
          &n= bsp; shepherded through the IESG as AD-sponsored (or WG)
          &n= bsp; documents with an IETF Last Call.

          &n= bsp; Examples: IPSECKEY Algorithm Types [RFC4025],
          &n= bsp; Accounting-Auth-Method AVP values in DIAMETER [RFC4005], TLS
          &n= bsp; Handshake Hello Extensions [RFC4366].

      Standards Action= - Values are assigned only for Standards Track
          &n= bsp; RFCs approved by the IESG.

          &n= bsp; Examples: BGP message types [RFC4271], Mobile Node
          &n= bsp; Identifier option types [RFC4283], DCCP Packet Types
          &n= bsp; [RFC4340].

Thanks,
Acee 








I'm happy to depend on your perspective and the WG to decide the best w= ay forward.

Regards,
Alia 

 
Thanks,
Acee 

From: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5= :36 PM
To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com&g= t;
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc= 4970bis@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org>, "ospf-chairs@ietf= .org" <ospf= -chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] IANA Considerati= ons in draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis

Alvaro,

Is there a reason not to split up the Unassigned range into Standards A= ction and RFC Required?
Also, are you picking RFC Required over IETF Review [RFC5226]?  Th= e former would open up 
for Independent Stream RFCs while the latter would not.

Can we get opinions from the WG?  I am expecting to do my AD revie= w of this draft and get it
moving - hopefully for the Oct 15 telechat - assuming the document is i= n the fine shape that I
expect from the OSPF WG. 

Regards,
Alia

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Alvaro Retana (a= retana) <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:
[WG Participant Hat On]

Hi!

I know that the WG has asked for publication of draft-ietf-ospf-rf= c4970bis, but I would like to see a change in the IANA Considerations Sectio= n before moving forward.   Sorry for being so late..

The ID (and rfc4970) define a registry for OSPF RI TLVs.  Cur= rently, the only way to get a value assigned is through Standards Action (wh= ich requires a Standards Track RFC).  There is a range reserved for Exp= erimentation =E2=80=94 I understand why these values are not to be assigned (rfc3692).

However, there is work that could that could benefit from a less strict= assignment policy, where the code may be in general deployment, and even en= abled by default in products =E2=80=94 not what rfc3692 had in mind.  I= n this case I am specifically referring to the TTZ work =E2=80=94 now that it is on the Experimental track, it doesn=E2= =80=99t meet the requirement for Standards Action and given the size of pote= ntial deployments I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s practical to just pick a= value off the range reserved for Experimentation.  I am sure that, if not right now, other work will also benefit from a less strict pol= icy.

Proposal:  redefine the Reserved space so that half of it remains R= eserved (the top half) while the other half uses a different assignment poli= cy.    I=E2=80=99m proposing RFC Required (rfc5226) as the assignm= ent policy.

The text in 4970bis already talks about a Standards Track RFC being abl= e to change the assignment policy for the Reserved space =E2=80=94 as long a= s we=E2=80=99re doing the bis work, we might as well include this change.

Given that the ID is already with the AD, I could make the same comment= when the IETF Last Call is issued, but I think we may need WG consensus on c= hanging the registry =E2=80=94 so it might be easier to take care of it now.=

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-os= pf-node-admin-tag-04
before requesting IETF Last Call.

First, I'd like to thank the working group and Shraddha, Haris= h, Hannes, Rob,=C2=A0
Anton, Zhenbin, and Bruno for their hard wo= rk on the draft.=C2=A0 However, this short=C2=A0
draft has 7 auth= ors, which is a couple over the author limit for RFCs.=C2=A0 Experience
has shown that it takes much longer to process a draft through AUTH4= 8 and the
other steps necessary (responsiveness to comments, agre= ement, etc) with a large
number of authors.=C2=A0 While I am will= ing to be persuaded - on or off list - that all 7
of the current = authors are actively editing, I would prefer that a smaller number be
=
selected as the active editors.

While that di= scussion is ongoing, here are my technical comments.=C2=A0 In general,
the draft is in good shape but could use some English grammar editing= ; I have not
tried to indicate all the places where "the&quo= t; is missing, for instance.

1) In the abstra= ct: "This optional operational capability allows to=C2=A0
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0express and act upon locally-defined network policy which cons= iders=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0node properties conveyed by tags."<= /div>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the subject that "to exp= ress and act upon"?=C2=A0 Is it a router?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Pleas= e clean up.

2) In Sec 3.2: "The TLV SHOULD be= considered an unordered list." =C2=A0Perhaps
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&= quot;the value contents of the TLV" or something that makes it clearer= ?

3) In Sec 4.3: " [RFC7490] proposed method = of" =C2=A0should be=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0"[RFC7490] defin= es a method of"

4) In Sec 5, I'm fairly c= ertain that admin tags can leak additional
=C2=A0 =C2=A0informati= on to an IGP snooper.=C2=A0 It would be useful to have some thoughts
<= div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0about that.

5) In IANA considerat= ions, please duplicated the suggested value (10) that
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0was mentioned in Sec 3.1

Thanks again for= the hard work.=C2=A0 The sooner we resolve whom the editors are,
the sooner this draft can proceed.=C2=A0 Ideally, if updated by Thursday, = it could enter
IETF Last Call and make the IESG telechat on Oct 1= 7.

Regards,
Alia



--001a113d2cd69889f405205a94e6-- From nobody Tue Sep 22 12:02:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566061ACDB1; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:02:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PQKS6SJ3oO_g; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x22b.google.com (mail-ob0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8381B1ACD8E; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbmp4 with SMTP id mp4so15627591obb.3; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:02:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Brt/XEewbueUoe8c3FPymdyi+OntKXYKkYuLoyEC4Rw=; b=nfk++ysjiIgno9fCCcuXd4RGSIIuY6/av0Rr3tnGfStqZRqDDDDJ4Qa2E/sSuJzUE9 DlWOp1l+oApugavtE/2+yd7tbmiMg/oKLjZgEz4ksPwO2ZBJttV4NX4Izo5K7IeoDbFq KAbrBN1uD/dnRoubk81c3EnhLefOA2BJ8o0EsX59Uzo+IiFKi0ra42j52Lu8EEgyGkWD m/f9nE/Uaj+C95JNgBL5v4W4UiGycnzKSfJISeQmgo8C6611y4ImuGmMvL///nhCJwnH yYBf8ZqkX5IAwoE/bgvJVatL5GYkb4vYWuWOoXYT5A6WtnnYmJRrqJHz+pm/04QhZt5H QA0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.134.40 with SMTP id ph8mr6020455oeb.58.1442948530922; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.55.170 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:02:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:02:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: OSPF List , draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b47289a9d6adb05205aa2f5 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 19:02:13 -0000 --047d7b47289a9d6adb05205aa2f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > As is customary, I have done my AD review of > draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04 > before requesting IETF Last Call. > > First, I'd like to thank the working group and Shraddha, Harish, Hannes, > Rob, > Anton, Zhenbin, and Bruno for their hard work on the draft. However, this > short > draft has 7 authors, which is a couple over the author limit for RFCs. > Experience > has shown that it takes much longer to process a draft through AUTH48 and > the > other steps necessary (responsiveness to comments, agreement, etc) with a > large > number of authors. While I am willing to be persuaded - on or off list - > that all 7 > of the current authors are actively editing, I would prefer that a smaller > number be > selected as the active editors. > > While that discussion is ongoing, here are my technical comments. In > general, > the draft is in good shape but could use some English grammar editing; I > have not > tried to indicate all the places where "the" is missing, for instance. > > 1) In the abstract: "This optional operational capability allows to > express and act upon locally-defined network policy which considers > node properties conveyed by tags." > > What is the subject that "to express and act upon"? Is it a router? > Please clean up. > > 2) In Sec 3.2: "The TLV SHOULD be considered an unordered list." Perhaps > "the value contents of the TLV" or something that makes it clearer? > > 3) In Sec 4.3: " [RFC7490] proposed method of" should be > "[RFC7490] defines a method of" > > 4) In Sec 5, I'm fairly certain that admin tags can leak additional > information to an IGP snooper. It would be useful to have some thoughts > about that. > > 5) In IANA considerations, please duplicated the suggested value (10) that > was mentioned in Sec 3.1 > > Thanks again for the hard work. The sooner we resolve whom the editors > are, > the sooner this draft can proceed. Ideally, if updated by Thursday, it > could enter > IETF Last Call and make the IESG telechat on Oct 17. > Oct 15 that is. > Regards, > Alia > > > > --047d7b47289a9d6adb05205aa2f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>= wrote:
As is cus= tomary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04
b= efore requesting IETF Last Call.

First, I'd li= ke to thank the working group and Shraddha, Harish, Hannes, Rob,=C2=A0
Anton, Zhenbin, and Bruno for their hard work on the draft.=C2=A0 How= ever, this short=C2=A0
draft has 7 authors, which is a couple ove= r the author limit for RFCs.=C2=A0 Experience
has shown that it t= akes much longer to process a draft through AUTH48 and the
other = steps necessary (responsiveness to comments, agreement, etc) with a large
number of authors.=C2=A0 While I am willing to be persuaded - on o= r off list - that all 7
of the current authors are actively editi= ng, I would prefer that a smaller number be
selected as the activ= e editors.

While that discussion is ongoing, here = are my technical comments.=C2=A0 In general,
the draft is in good= shape but could use some English grammar editing; I have not
tri= ed to indicate all the places where "the" is missing, for instanc= e.

1) In the abstract: "This optional op= erational capability allows to=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0express and act= upon locally-defined network policy which considers=C2=A0
=C2=A0= =C2=A0node properties conveyed by tags."

=C2= =A0 =C2=A0What is the subject that "to express and act upon"?=C2= =A0 Is it a router?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please clean up.

<= /div>
2) In Sec 3.2: "The TLV SHOULD be considered an unordered li= st." =C2=A0Perhaps
=C2=A0 =C2=A0"the value contents of = the TLV" or something that makes it clearer?

= 3) In Sec 4.3: " [RFC7490] proposed method of" =C2=A0should be=C2= =A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0"[RFC7490] defines a method of"
<= div>
4) In Sec 5, I'm fairly certain that admin tags can = leak additional
=C2=A0 =C2=A0information to an IGP snooper.=C2=A0= It would be useful to have some thoughts
=C2=A0 =C2=A0about that= .

5) In IANA considerations, please duplicated the= suggested value (10) that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0was mentioned in Sec 3.1<= /div>

Thanks again for the hard work.=C2=A0 The so= oner we resolve whom the editors are,
the sooner this draft can p= roceed.=C2=A0 Ideally, if updated by Thursday, it could enter
IET= F Last Call and make the IESG telechat on Oct 17.
<= div>
Oct 15 that is.=C2=A0

=C2=A0
Regards,=
Alia




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draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02. First, let me thank Acee for his work on this draft. I have two major concerns before asking for an IETF Last Call. I would like to have them resolved by this Thursday so that the draft can make the Oct 15 IESG telechat. First, from a process concern, I do not see any active discussion on the OSPF mailing list - even to simply say "yes - go forward". I don't see anything about this draft or discussion in minutes for IETF 92 or IETF 93. I'd prefer some indication besides silence and lack of opposition. I do realize that there are some process or protocol-tidying drafts where there isn't much interest. However, I am particularly concerned because this is changing RFC4970 is a way that should be backwards compatible but might trigger issues. I would encourage WG participants to PLEASE RESPOND! Second, I can see the intent that by creating an Opaque ID and creating a special meaning for 0, the draft is making efforts to preserve backwards compatibility. Please add a paragraph or subsection that articulates how and why backwards compatibility isn't an issue. For extra credit, what happens if the same TLV information is advertised in multiple RI LSAs (as part of moving it from one RI LSA to another)? Are there any implementations of this draft? Has backwards compatibility been verified at all? My minor issue is around the IANA considerations; I have detailed comments below. Here are additional comments. 1) In Sec 2: "The first Opaque ID, i.e., 0, should always contain the Router Informational Capabilities TLV and, if advertised, the Router Functional Capabilities TLV." and Sec 2.2 "The first instance ID, i.e., 0, should always contain the Router Informational Capabilities TLV and, if advertised, the Router Functional Capabilities TLV." Since I assume this is important for backwards compatibility, should those be SHOULD instead of should? 2) In Sec 2.3: "The first defined TLV in the body of an RI LSA is the Router Informational Capabilities TLV." Surely that is only for the first Opaque ID=0? Does each subsequent RI LSA also need to contain a Router Informational Capabilities TLV?? 3) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: This section is defining the different IANA policies; when RFC4970 was written, RFC5226 didn't exist. But since you're doing a bis, perhaps you can align to the policies in RFC5226 and remove the unnecessary text?? 4) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: The registry for OSPFv3 LSA Function Codes can be found at http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv3-parameters/ospfv3-parameters.xhtml#ospfv3-parameters-3 and what is in the draft doesn't match up. I'd settle for defining the ranges, and value 12 - but it's up to you and IANA on the preferences. Would it make sense to change the policy from Standards Action to IETF Review here also? Same thing applies to the OSPF RI TLVS ( http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv2-parameters/ospfv2-parameters.xhtml#ospfv2-parameters-9 ) Also here, I think there was agreement among the 4 of us who commented on the WG mailing list to change this from Standards Action to IETF Review. 5) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: "All Router Functional Capability TLV additions are to be assigned through standards action." Given the discussion about IETF Review vs. Standards Action for other registries, are you sure you want Standards Action? I'm sure that we'll get this moving along quickly. Thanks again! Alia --001a11c1d8d6f5ff4f05205d2199 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As is customary, I have done my AD review of=C2=A0dra= ft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02.=C2=A0 First, let me thank Acee for his work on = this draft.

I have two major concerns before askin= g for an IETF Last Call.=C2=A0 I would like to have them
resolved= by this Thursday so that the draft can make the Oct 15 IESG telechat.

First, from a process concern, I do not see any active= discussion on the OSPF mailing list - even to simply say "yes - go fo= rward".=C2=A0 I don't see anything about this draft or discussion = in minutes for IETF 92 or IETF 93. =C2=A0 I'd prefer some indication be= sides silence and lack of opposition.=C2=A0 I do realize that there are som= e process or protocol-tidying drafts where there isn't
much i= nterest.=C2=A0 However, I am particularly concerned because this is changin= g RFC4970 is a way that should be backwards compatible but might trigger is= sues. =C2=A0 I would encourage WG participants to PLEASE RESPOND!

Second, I can see the intent that by creating an Opaque ID = and creating a special meaning for 0, the draft is making efforts to preser= ve backwards compatibility.=C2=A0 Please add a paragraph or subsection that= articulates how and why backwards compatibility isn't an issue.=C2=A0 = For extra credit, what happens if the same TLV information is advertised in= multiple RI LSAs (as part of moving it from one RI LSA to another)?
<= div>
Are there any implementations of this draft?=C2=A0 Has b= ackwards compatibility been verified at all?

My mi= nor issue is around the IANA considerations; I have detailed comments below= .

Here are additional comments.

1) In Sec 2: "The first Opaque ID, i.e., 0, should always contain th= e Router
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Informational Capabilities TLV and, if advertised,= the Router
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Functional Capabilities TLV." =C2=A0and Se= c 2.2=C2=A0"The first instance ID, i.e., 0,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0should alw= ays contain the Router Informational Capabilities TLV and,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= if advertised, the Router Functional Capabilities TLV."

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Since I assume this is important for backwards compat= ibility, should those
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be SHOULD instead of should?

2) In Sec 2.3:=C2=A0"The first defined TLV in = the body of an RI LSA is the Router
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Informational Capabilit= ies TLV." =C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Surely that= is only for the first Opaque ID=3D0?=C2=A0 Does each subsequent RI LSA
=C2=A0 =C2=A0also need to contain a Router Informational Capabilitie= s TLV??

3) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: =C2=A0Thi= s section is defining the different IANA policies;
when RFC4970 w= as written, RFC5226 didn't exist.=C2=A0 But since you're doing a bi= s,
perhaps you can align to the policies in RFC5226 and remove th= e unnecessary text??

4) In Sec 4 IANA Consideratio= ns: =C2=A0The registry for OSPFv3 LSA Function Codes can
be found= at=C2=A0http://www.iana.org/assignments/osp= fv3-parameters/ospfv3-parameters.xhtml#ospfv3-parameters-3 and what is = in the draft doesn't match up.=C2=A0 I'd settle for defining the ra= nges, and value 12 - but it's up to you and IANA on the preferences.=C2= =A0 Would it make sense to change the policy from Standards Action to IETF = Review here also?

Same thing applies to the OSPF R= I TLVS (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospf= v2-parameters/ospfv2-parameters.xhtml#ospfv2-parameters-9 ) =C2=A0 Also= here, I think there
was agreement among the 4 of us who commente= d on the WG mailing list to change this
from Standards Action to = IETF Review.

5) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations:=C2= =A0"All Router Functional Capability TLV
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0additions are to be assigned through standards action." =C2=A0 Give= n the discussion
about IETF Review vs. Standards Action for other= registries, are you sure you want
Standards Action?
I'm sure that we'll get this moving along quickly= .

Thanks again! =C2=A0
Alia
<= /div> --001a11c1d8d6f5ff4f05205d2199-- From nobody Tue Sep 22 15:11:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12E61A907D; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:11:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8eikTtIX1n0e; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x232.google.com (mail-oi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF6E01A906D; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oiev17 with SMTP id v17so14016700oie.1; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4rf7PgqhYUQCe2NnJbRO9I2wobwJxpBkiIr7E5frGV0=; b=AfhgLqQAFv38D3xTLieDTHI+38I7YtB6eTLUJGnSyshxhA8ErDIXZqVMoQ8e68lSiL mSD9+dQVHrVLOEj9MlDxW3E4rI4jYV4wpHWx0YoYpksWtM7h8OK17aFpwcIWTKoBaVKZ eXMeqvgM/efW71yh+19fHuWwDh4o4N7X5AYAofQLT0oRHZGrO2oTTz9/RNNUOtlM/GIK +liT8HxeUk5biLQ3vKN/jkZDRlxoph4BalkLEP+ohpwWZOl7Dh3IF3UBa6QuPXRwcGpr wrS37/8QWCbPQfDQska2l1HD7oKD/bsi6UzNGFq4WOtWD/cb0liJima9Lod4ItOMAES3 wZGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.198.139 with SMTP id w133mr16273202oif.72.1442959858384; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.55.170 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 18:10:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: OSPF List , draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134fbd6c8c6c505205d450e Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 22:11:02 -0000 --001a1134fbd6c8c6c505205d450e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Minor correction: On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > As is customary, I have done my AD review > of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02. First, let me thank Acee for his work on > this draft. > > I have two major concerns before asking for an IETF Last Call. I would > like to have them > resolved by this Thursday so that the draft can make the Oct 15 IESG > telechat. > > First, from a process concern, I do not see any active discussion on the > OSPF mailing list - even to simply say "yes - go forward". I don't see > anything about this draft or discussion in minutes for IETF 92 or IETF 93. > I'd prefer some indication besides silence and lack of opposition. I do > realize that there are some process or protocol-tidying drafts where there > isn't > much interest. However, I am particularly concerned because this is > changing RFC4970 is a way that should be backwards compatible but might > trigger issues. I would encourage WG participants to PLEASE RESPOND! > In IETF 91 minutes, I see a presentation and question from Shraddha about making it MT capable. There was no answer except take it to the list and no follow-up discussion. Am I missing anything? Regards, Alia > Second, I can see the intent that by creating an Opaque ID and creating a > special meaning for 0, the draft is making efforts to preserve backwards > compatibility. Please add a paragraph or subsection that articulates how > and why backwards compatibility isn't an issue. For extra credit, what > happens if the same TLV information is advertised in multiple RI LSAs (as > part of moving it from one RI LSA to another)? > > Are there any implementations of this draft? Has backwards compatibility > been verified at all? > > My minor issue is around the IANA considerations; I have detailed comments > below. > > Here are additional comments. > > 1) In Sec 2: "The first Opaque ID, i.e., 0, should always contain the > Router > Informational Capabilities TLV and, if advertised, the Router > Functional Capabilities TLV." and Sec 2.2 "The first instance ID, > i.e., 0, > should always contain the Router Informational Capabilities TLV and, > if advertised, the Router Functional Capabilities TLV." > > Since I assume this is important for backwards compatibility, should > those > be SHOULD instead of should? > > 2) In Sec 2.3: "The first defined TLV in the body of an RI LSA is the > Router > Informational Capabilities TLV." > > Surely that is only for the first Opaque ID=0? Does each subsequent RI > LSA > also need to contain a Router Informational Capabilities TLV?? > > 3) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: This section is defining the different > IANA policies; > when RFC4970 was written, RFC5226 didn't exist. But since you're doing a > bis, > perhaps you can align to the policies in RFC5226 and remove the > unnecessary text?? > > 4) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: The registry for OSPFv3 LSA Function > Codes can > be found at > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv3-parameters/ospfv3-parameters.xhtml#ospfv3-parameters-3 > and what is in the draft doesn't match up. I'd settle for defining the > ranges, and value 12 - but it's up to you and IANA on the preferences. > Would it make sense to change the policy from Standards Action to IETF > Review here also? > > Same thing applies to the OSPF RI TLVS ( > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv2-parameters/ospfv2-parameters.xhtml#ospfv2-parameters-9 > ) Also here, I think there > was agreement among the 4 of us who commented on the WG mailing list to > change this > from Standards Action to IETF Review. > > 5) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: "All Router Functional Capability TLV > additions are to be assigned through standards action." Given the > discussion > about IETF Review vs. Standards Action for other registries, are you sure > you want > Standards Action? > > I'm sure that we'll get this moving along quickly. > > Thanks again! > Alia > --001a1134fbd6c8c6c505205d450e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Minor correction:

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmai= l.com> wrote:
As is customary, I have done my AD review of=C2=A0draft-ietf-ospf-= rfc4970bis-02.=C2=A0 First, let me thank Acee for his work on this draft.

I have two major concerns before asking for an IETF= Last Call.=C2=A0 I would like to have them
resolved by this Thur= sday so that the draft can make the Oct 15 IESG telechat.

First, from a process concern, I do not see any active discussion o= n the OSPF mailing list - even to simply say "yes - go forward".= =C2=A0 I don't see anything about this draft or discussion in minutes f= or IETF 92 or IETF 93. =C2=A0 I'd prefer some indication besides silenc= e and lack of opposition.=C2=A0 I do realize that there are some process or= protocol-tidying drafts where there isn't
much interest.=C2= =A0 However, I am particularly concerned because this is changing RFC4970 i= s a way that should be backwards compatible but might trigger issues. =C2= =A0 I would encourage WG participants to PLEASE RESPOND!

In IETF 91 minutes, I see a presentation and ques= tion from Shraddha about making it MT capable.=C2=A0 There was no
answer except take it to the list and no follow-up discussion.
<= br>
Am I missing anything?

Regards,
Alia

=C2=A0
Second, I can see the intent that by c= reating an Opaque ID and creating a special meaning for 0, the draft is mak= ing efforts to preserve backwards compatibility.=C2=A0 Please add a paragra= ph or subsection that articulates how and why backwards compatibility isn&#= 39;t an issue.=C2=A0 For extra credit, what happens if the same TLV informa= tion is advertised in multiple RI LSAs (as part of moving it from one RI LS= A to another)?

Are there any implementations of th= is draft?=C2=A0 Has backwards compatibility been verified at all?

My minor issue is around the IANA considerations; I have de= tailed comments below.

Here are additional comment= s.

1) In Sec 2: "The first Opaque ID, i.e., 0, sho= uld always contain the Router
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Informational Capabilities TL= V and, if advertised, the Router
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Functional Capabilities TL= V." =C2=A0and Sec 2.2=C2=A0"The first instance ID, i.e., 0,
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0should always contain the Router Informational Capabilities TL= V and,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0if advertised, the Router Functional Capabilities TL= V."

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Since I assume this is importa= nt for backwards compatibility, should those
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be SHOU= LD instead of should?

2) In Sec 2.3:=C2=A0"Th= e first defined TLV in the body of an RI LSA is the Router
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= Informational Capabilities TLV." =C2=A0

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Surely that is only for the first Opaque ID=3D0?=C2=A0 Does ea= ch subsequent RI LSA
=C2=A0 =C2=A0also need to contain a Router I= nformational Capabilities TLV??

3) In Sec 4 IANA C= onsiderations: =C2=A0This section is defining the different IANA policies;<= /div>
when RFC4970 was written, RFC5226 didn't exist.=C2=A0 But sin= ce you're doing a bis,
perhaps you can align to the policies = in RFC5226 and remove the unnecessary text??

4) In= Sec 4 IANA Considerations: =C2=A0The registry for OSPFv3 LSA Function Code= s can
be found at=C2=A0http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv3-parameters/ospfv3-parameters.= xhtml#ospfv3-parameters-3 and what is in the draft doesn't match up= .=C2=A0 I'd settle for defining the ranges, and value 12 - but it's= up to you and IANA on the preferences.=C2=A0 Would it make sense to change= the policy from Standards Action to IETF Review here also?

<= /div>
Same thing applies to the OSPF RI TLVS (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv2-parameters/o= spfv2-parameters.xhtml#ospfv2-parameters-9 ) =C2=A0 Also here, I think = there
was agreement among the 4 of us who commented on the WG mai= ling list to change this
from Standards Action to IETF Review.

5) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations:=C2=A0"All Rout= er Functional Capability TLV
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0additions are to= be assigned through standards action." =C2=A0 Given the discussion
about IETF Review vs. Standards Action for other registries, are yo= u sure you want
Standards Action?

I= 'm sure that we'll get this moving along quickly.
<= br>
Thanks again! =C2=A0
Alia

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Jeff Haas has written an excellent I-D recommending that the first and last points of a numeric registry should be reserved, which I agree with. In that light, I suggest reserving 8191 in OSPFv3 LSA Function Codes Second, 5226bis proposes a cleaner terminology, replacing top-level registry, registry, sub-registry, sub-sub registry etc with Registry within Group. (OSPF has eleven Groups, BGP but one). I see that OSPFv3 LSA Function Codes is in the Open Shortest Path First v3 (OSPFv3) Parameters Group. I think that you are implying that IANA should update some but not all the references for that Registry. Thus the reference for the Registry as a whole should be for this new I-D but the reference for individual entries for the most part do not change except where they are to RFC4970(?). Likewise for OSPF RI TLVs which is in the Open Shortest Path First v2 (OSPFv2) Parameters Group, some references will need updating, others will not, and I think that that needs specifying in the I-D. OSPF Router Informational Capability Bits I think is another Registry within the same Group while OSPF Router Functional Capability Bits I think is a new Registry; I don't know which Group it fits best with but I think that that should be specified. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" To: "Alia Atlas" ; "OSPF List" ; Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02 > Hi Alia, > > From: Alia Atlas > > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 6:00 PM > To: OSPF WG List >, "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" > > Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02 > > As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02. First, let me thank Acee for his work on this draft. > > I have two major concerns before asking for an IETF Last Call. I would like to have them > resolved by this Thursday so that the draft can make the Oct 15 IESG telechat. > > First, from a process concern, I do not see any active discussion on the OSPF mailing list - even to simply say "yes - go forward". I don't see anything about this draft or discussion in minutes for IETF 92 or IETF 93. I'd prefer some indication besides silence and lack of opposition. I do realize that there are some process or protocol-tidying drafts where there isn't > much interest. However, I am particularly concerned because this is changing RFC4970 is a way that should be backwards compatible but might trigger issues. I would encourage WG participants to PLEASE RESPOND! > > Second, I can see the intent that by creating an Opaque ID and creating a special meaning for 0, the draft is making efforts to preserve backwards compatibility. Please add a paragraph or subsection that articulates how and why backwards compatibility isn't an issue. > > I will add more on this. > > For extra credit, what happens if the same TLV information is advertised in multiple RI LSAs (as part of moving it from one RI LSA to another)? > > This depends on the context of the TLV. In some cases the router information is additive and in others conflicts need to be resolved. > > > > Are there any implementations of this draft? Has backwards compatibility been verified at all? > > Many implementations of RFC 4970. I don’t know of any implementations that originate multiple RI LSAs. However, with all the proposed OSPF RI LSA usages, I can see them coming. > > > > My minor issue is around the IANA considerations; I have detailed comments below. > > Here are additional comments. > > 1) In Sec 2: "The first Opaque ID, i.e., 0, should always contain the Router > Informational Capabilities TLV and, if advertised, the Router > Functional Capabilities TLV." and Sec 2.2 "The first instance ID, i.e., 0, > should always contain the Router Informational Capabilities TLV and, > if advertised, the Router Functional Capabilities TLV." > > Since I assume this is important for backwards compatibility, should those > be SHOULD instead of should? > > Yes. > > > > > 2) In Sec 2.3: "The first defined TLV in the body of an RI LSA is the Router > Informational Capabilities TLV." > > Surely that is only for the first Opaque ID=0? Does each subsequent RI LSA > also need to contain a Router Informational Capabilities TLV?? > > No. Will clarify this. > > > > 3) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: This section is defining the different IANA policies; > when RFC4970 was written, RFC5226 didn't exist. But since you're doing a bis, > perhaps you can align to the policies in RFC5226 and remove the unnecessary text?? > > Yes. I think of already done this. > > > 4) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: The registry for OSPFv3 LSA Function Codes can > be found at http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv3-parameters/ospfv3-parameters.xhtm l#ospfv3-parameters-3 and what is in the draft doesn't match up. I'd settle for defining the ranges, and value 12 - but it's up to you and IANA on the preferences. Would it make sense to change the policy from Standards Action to IETF Review here also? > > Yes - I think this draft should change the policy for OSPFv3 LSA Functions codes since RFC 4970 initially created the registry. If were going to change the policy (and I think we want to do this), it makes sense to do it here from a continuity standpoint. > > > > Same thing applies to the OSPF RI TLVS (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv2-parameters/ospfv2-parameters.xht ml#ospfv2-parameters-9 ) Also here, I think there > was agreement among the 4 of us who commented on the WG mailing list to change this > from Standards Action to IETF Review. > > Yes. > > > 5) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: "All Router Functional Capability TLV > additions are to be assigned through standards action." Given the discussion > about IETF Review vs. Standards Action for other registries, are you sure you want > Standards Action? > > No - I will change this. > > > I'm sure that we'll get this moving along quickly. > > Great - will work on this today in preparation for the tomorrow’s telechat. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > Thanks again! > Alia > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > From nobody Thu Sep 24 04:31:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26F31A8FD6; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 04:31:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, 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y85mr636970oie.22.1443117826105; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.55.170 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:03:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:03:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Hannes Gredler Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ce4c864e9770520820dd8 Archived-At: Cc: OSPF List , "draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 18:03:50 -0000 --001a113ce4c864e9770520820dd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hannes, On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Hannes Gredler wrote: > i can be moved to contributors list as well if it helps. > Thanks - that would get us to 5 authors, which is the RFC Editor limit. Practically, having watched through many of these AUTH48 periods - they really drag on with lots of authors. Thanks, Alia > On 24.09.2015, at 19:27, Shraddha Hegde wrote: > > Alia, > > > > Thank you very much for the review and comments. > > I have updated the draft and draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-05 is posted. > > > > Authors list has been reduced to 6 and one author moved to contributor=E2= =80=99s > list. > > Here is the list of other comments and resolutions > > > > 1) In the abstract: "This optional operational capability allows to > > express and act upon locally-defined network policy which considers > > node properties conveyed by tags." > > > > What is the subject that "to express and act upon"? Is it a router? > > Please clean up. > > changed to > > =E2=80=9CThe node-tags can be used to express and apply locally-defined > > network policies which is a very useful operational capability.=E2=80=9D > > > > > > 2) In Sec 3.2: "The TLV SHOULD be considered an unordered list." Perhaps > > "the value contents of the TLV" or something that makes it clearer? > > Changed to > > =E2=80=9CThe administrative tag list within the TLV SHOULD be considered > > an unordered list.=E2=80=9D > > > > > > 3) In Sec 4.3: " [RFC7490] proposed method of" should be > > "[RFC7490] defines a method of" > > Updated > > > > 4) In Sec 5, I'm fairly certain that admin tags can leak additional > > information to an IGP snooper. It would be useful to have some though= ts > > about that. > > > > Node admin tags may be used by operators to indicate geographical locatio= n > or other > > sensitive information. > > As indicated in and = OSPF > authentication > > mechanisms do not provide confidentiality and the information carried in > node admin tags could be leaked to an IGP > > snooper. > > > > 5) In IANA considerations, please duplicated the suggested value (10) tha= t > > was mentioned in Sec 3.1 > > > > Updated > > > > Rgds > > Shraddha > > > > > > *From:* Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com ] > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2015 1:01 AM > *To:* Alia Atlas ; OSPF List ; > draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04 > > > > Thanks Alias - Speaking as Document Shepherd=E2=80=A6 > > > > Authors, > > > > Please let me know if you require any assistance - these all seem like > good comments. > > > > *From: *OSPF on behalf of Alia Atlas < > akatlas@gmail.com> > *Date: *Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 3:02 PM > *To: *OSPF WG List , " > draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org" < > draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04 > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > > As is customary, I have done my AD review of > draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04 > > before requesting IETF Last Call. > > > > First, I'd like to thank the working group and Shraddha, Harish, Hannes, > Rob, > > Anton, Zhenbin, and Bruno for their hard work on the draft. However, thi= s > short > > draft has 7 authors, which is a couple over the author limit for RFCs. > Experience > > has shown that it takes much longer to process a draft through AUTH48 and > the > > other steps necessary (responsiveness to comments, agreement, etc) with a > large > > number of authors. While I am willing to be persuaded - on or off list - > that all 7 > > of the current authors are actively editing, I would prefer that a smalle= r > number be > > selected as the active editors. > > > > In some cases, a draft represents a multi-vendor effort requiring a > significant commitment from more than 5 authors and I=E2=80=99d specifica= lly > request a deviation from the author limit. I don=E2=80=99t see this to be= the case > with this draft. > > > > > > > > While that discussion is ongoing, here are my technical comments. In > general, > > the draft is in good shape but could use some English grammar editing; I > have not > > tried to indicate all the places where "the" is missing, for instance. > > > > 1) In the abstract: "This optional operational capability allows to > > express and act upon locally-defined network policy which considers > > node properties conveyed by tags." > > > > What is the subject that "to express and act upon"? Is it a router? > > Please clean up. > > > > 2) In Sec 3.2: "The TLV SHOULD be considered an unordered list." Perhaps > > "the value contents of the TLV" or something that makes it clearer? > > > > 3) In Sec 4.3: " [RFC7490] proposed method of" should be > > "[RFC7490] defines a method of" > > > > 4) In Sec 5, I'm fairly certain that admin tags can leak additional > > information to an IGP snooper. It would be useful to have some though= ts > > about that. > > > > When you include this, be sure and point out the the attacker would also > require knowledge of the policies corresponding to the tags. I=E2=80=99d = also point > out that the policies and advertised tags are local to the OSPF routing > domain as is done in RFC 5530. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > > > 5) In IANA considerations, please duplicated the suggested value (10) tha= t > > was mentioned in Sec 3.1 > > > > Thanks again for the hard work. The sooner we resolve whom the editors > are, > > the sooner this draft can proceed. Ideally, if updated by Thursday, it > could enter > > IETF Last Call and make the IESG telechat on Oct 17. > > > > Oct 15 that is. > > > > > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > > > > > > > --001a113ce4c864e9770520820dd8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hannes,

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Hannes Gredler <hannes@= gredler.at> wrote:
i can be moved to contributors list as well if it= helps.

Thanks - that would get= us to 5 authors, which is the RFC Editor limit.

P= ractically, having watched through many of these AUTH48 periods - they real= ly
drag on with lots of authors.

Thanks,=
Alia=C2=A0

=C2=A0
On 24.09.2= 015, at 19:27, Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net> wrote:

Alia,

=C2=A0

Thank you very much for the review an= d comments.

I have updated the draft and draft-ie= tf-ospf-node-admin-tag-05 is posted.

=C2=A0

Authors list has been reduced to 6 an= d one author moved to contributor=E2=80=99s list.

Here is the list of other comments an= d resolutions

=C2=A0

1) In the abstract: "This optional operational = capability allows to=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0express and act upon locally-defined ne= twork policy which considers=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0node properties conveyed by tags."=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the subject that "to expre= ss and act upon"?=C2=A0 Is it a router?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please clean up.

<Shraddha>change= d=C2=A0 to

=E2=80=9CThe node-tags= can be used to express and apply locally-defined

network policies which= is a very useful operational capability.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

2) In Sec 3.2: "The TLV SHOULD be considered an= unordered list." =C2=A0Perhaps

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"the value contents of the TLV&quo= t; or something that makes it clearer?

<Shraddha>Change= d to

=E2=80=9CThe administr= ative tag list within the TLV SHOULD be considered

an unordered list.=E2= =80=9D

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

3) In Sec 4.3: " [RFC7490] proposed method of&q= uot; =C2=A0should be=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"[RFC7490] defines a method of&quo= t;

<Shraddha> Updat= ed

=C2=A0

4) In Sec 5, I'm fairly certain that admin tags = can leak additional

=C2=A0 =C2=A0information to an IGP snooper.=C2=A0 It= would be useful to have some thoughts

=C2=A0 =C2=A0about that.

<Shraddha>

Node admin tags may be= used by operators to indicate geographical location or other

sensitive information.=

As indicated in <xr= ef target=3D"RFC2328"/> and <xref target=3D"RFC5340&qu= ot;/> OSPF authentication

mechanisms do not prov= ide =C2=A0confidentiality and the information carried in node admin tags co= uld be leaked to an IGP

snooper.=

=C2=A0

5) In IANA considerations, please duplicated the sug= gested value (10) that

=C2=A0 =C2=A0was mentioned in Sec 3.1<= /p>

=C2=A0

<Shraddha> Updated

=C2=A0

Rgds

Shraddha

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 1:01 AM
To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>; OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-= tag@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04

=C2=A0

Thanks Alias - Speaking as Document She= pherd=E2=80=A6=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Authors,=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please let me know if you require any a= ssistance - these all seem like good comments.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: OSPF <ospf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 3:02 PM
To: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "dra= ft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Alia A= tlas <aka= tlas@gmail.com> wrote:

As is customary, I have done my AD revi= ew of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04

before requesting IETF Last Call.

=C2=A0

First, I'd like to thank the workin= g group and Shraddha, Harish, Hannes, Rob,=C2=A0

Anton, Zhenbin, and Bruno for their har= d work on the draft.=C2=A0 However, this short=C2=A0

draft has 7 authors, which is a couple = over the author limit for RFCs.=C2=A0 Experience

has shown that it takes much longer to = process a draft through AUTH48 and the

other steps necessary (responsiveness t= o comments, agreement, etc) with a large

number of authors.=C2=A0 While I am wil= ling to be persuaded - on or off list - that all 7

of the current authors are actively edi= ting, I would prefer that a smaller number be

selected as the active editors.<= u>

=C2=A0

In some cases, a draft represents a mul= ti-vendor effort requiring a significant commitment from more than 5 author= s and I=E2=80=99d specifically request a deviation from the author limit. I don=E2=80=99t see this to be the case with this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

While that discussion is ongoing, here = are my technical comments.=C2=A0 In general,

the draft is in good shape but could us= e some English grammar editing; I have not

tried to indicate all the places where = "the" is missing, for instance.

=C2=A0

1) In the abstract: "This optional= operational capability allows to=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0express and act upon local= ly-defined network policy which considers=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0node properties conveyed b= y tags."

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the subject that &= quot;to express and act upon"?=C2=A0 Is it a router?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please clean up.=

=C2=A0

2) In Sec 3.2: "The TLV SHOULD be = considered an unordered list." =C2=A0Perhaps

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"the value contents o= f the TLV" or something that makes it clearer?

=C2=A0

3) In Sec 4.3: " [RFC7490] propose= d method of" =C2=A0should be=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"[RFC7490] defines a = method of"

=C2=A0

4) In Sec 5, I'm fairly certain tha= t admin tags can leak additional

=C2=A0 =C2=A0information to an IGP snoo= per.=C2=A0 It would be useful to have some thoughts

=C2=A0 =C2=A0about that.<= /span>

=C2=A0

When you include this, be sure and poin= t out the the attacker would also require knowledge of the policies corresp= onding to the tags. I=E2=80=99d also point out that the policies and advertised tags are local to the OSPF routing domain as is do= ne in RFC 5530.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Acee=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

5) In IANA considerations, please dupli= cated the suggested value (10) that

=C2=A0 =C2=A0was mentioned in Sec 3.1

=C2=A0

Thanks again for the hard work.=C2=A0 T= he sooner we resolve whom the editors are,

the sooner this draft can proceed.=C2= =A0 Ideally, if updated by Thursday, it could enter

IETF Last Call and make the IESG telech= at on Oct 17.

=C2=A0

Oct 15 that is.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regards,

Alia

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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18:19:14 -0000 --001a1134fbd674999405208244fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Acee, On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Alia, Hannes, > > On Sep 24, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Hannes, > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Hannes Gredler wrote= : > >> i can be moved to contributors list as well if it helps. >> > > Thanks - that would get us to 5 authors, which is the RFC Editor limit. > > > Shraddha already moved one Juniper author to the contributors list. > Perhaps, we could do a swap in the spirit of getting more new people > involved. > Whatever works between the WG chairs and the authors. Practically, having watched through many of these AUTH48 periods - they > really > drag on with lots of authors. > > > Actually, my experience has been that BIS documents where the original > authors are no longer following the IETF are the toughest. Greater than > five authors has not been a problem for OSPF if they are all actively > contributing and engaged (although I have had to contact one particular > former colleague of yours and current colleague of mine via alternate > channels ;^) > Yup - BIS documents are hard. Responsiveness depends on the people. Of course, those involved in OSPF are naturally more responsive;-) Regards, Alia > Thanks, > Acee > > > > > Thanks, > Alia > > > >> On 24.09.2015, at 19:27, Shraddha Hegde wrote: >> >> Alia, >> >> >> >> Thank you very much for the review and comments. >> >> I have updated the draft and draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-05 is posted= . >> >> >> >> Authors list has been reduced to 6 and one author moved to contributor= =E2=80=99s >> list. >> >> Here is the list of other comments and resolutions >> >> >> >> 1) In the abstract: "This optional operational capability allows to >> >> express and act upon locally-defined network policy which considers >> >> node properties conveyed by tags." >> >> >> >> What is the subject that "to express and act upon"? Is it a router? >> >> Please clean up. >> >> changed to >> >> =E2=80=9CThe node-tags can be used to express and apply locally-defined >> >> network policies which is a very useful operational capability.=E2=80=9D >> >> >> >> >> >> 2) In Sec 3.2: "The TLV SHOULD be considered an unordered list." Perhap= s >> >> "the value contents of the TLV" or something that makes it clearer? >> >> Changed to >> >> =E2=80=9CThe administrative tag list within the TLV SHOULD be considered >> >> an unordered list.=E2=80=9D >> >> >> >> >> >> 3) In Sec 4.3: " [RFC7490] proposed method of" should be >> >> "[RFC7490] defines a method of" >> >> Updated >> >> >> >> 4) In Sec 5, I'm fairly certain that admin tags can leak additional >> >> information to an IGP snooper. It would be useful to have some >> thoughts >> >> about that. >> >> >> >> Node admin tags may be used by operators to indicate geographical >> location or other >> >> sensitive information. >> >> As indicated in and >> OSPF authentication >> >> mechanisms do not provide confidentiality and the information carried i= n >> node admin tags could be leaked to an IGP >> >> snooper. >> >> >> >> 5) In IANA considerations, please duplicated the suggested value (10) th= at >> >> was mentioned in Sec 3.1 >> >> >> >> Updated >> >> >> >> Rgds >> >> Shraddha >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com ] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2015 1:01 AM >> *To:* Alia Atlas ; OSPF List ; >> draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04 >> >> >> >> Thanks Alias - Speaking as Document Shepherd=E2=80=A6 >> >> >> >> Authors, >> >> >> >> Please let me know if you require any assistance - these all seem like >> good comments. >> >> >> >> *From: *OSPF on behalf of Alia Atlas < >> akatlas@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 3:02 PM >> *To: *OSPF WG List , " >> draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org" < >> draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org> >> *Subject: *Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: >> >> As is customary, I have done my AD review of >> draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04 >> >> before requesting IETF Last Call. >> >> >> >> First, I'd like to thank the working group and Shraddha, Harish, Hannes, >> Rob, >> >> Anton, Zhenbin, and Bruno for their hard work on the draft. However, >> this short >> >> draft has 7 authors, which is a couple over the author limit for RFCs. >> Experience >> >> has shown that it takes much longer to process a draft through AUTH48 an= d >> the >> >> other steps necessary (responsiveness to comments, agreement, etc) with = a >> large >> >> number of authors. While I am willing to be persuaded - on or off list = - >> that all 7 >> >> of the current authors are actively editing, I would prefer that a >> smaller number be >> >> selected as the active editors. >> >> >> >> In some cases, a draft represents a multi-vendor effort requiring a >> significant commitment from more than 5 authors and I=E2=80=99d specific= ally >> request a deviation from the author limit. I don=E2=80=99t see this to b= e the case >> with this draft. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> While that discussion is ongoing, here are my technical comments. In >> general, >> >> the draft is in good shape but could use some English grammar editing; I >> have not >> >> tried to indicate all the places where "the" is missing, for instance. >> >> >> >> 1) In the abstract: "This optional operational capability allows to >> >> express and act upon locally-defined network policy which considers >> >> node properties conveyed by tags." >> >> >> >> What is the subject that "to express and act upon"? Is it a router? >> >> Please clean up. >> >> >> >> 2) In Sec 3.2: "The TLV SHOULD be considered an unordered list." Perhap= s >> >> "the value contents of the TLV" or something that makes it clearer? >> >> >> >> 3) In Sec 4.3: " [RFC7490] proposed method of" should be >> >> "[RFC7490] defines a method of" >> >> >> >> 4) In Sec 5, I'm fairly certain that admin tags can leak additional >> >> information to an IGP snooper. It would be useful to have some >> thoughts >> >> about that. >> >> >> >> When you include this, be sure and point out the the attacker would also >> require knowledge of the policies corresponding to the tags. I=E2=80=99d= also point >> out that the policies and advertised tags are local to the OSPF routing >> domain as is done in RFC 5530. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Acee >> >> >> >> >> >> 5) In IANA considerations, please duplicated the suggested value (10) th= at >> >> was mentioned in Sec 3.1 >> >> >> >> Thanks again for the hard work. The sooner we resolve whom the editors >> are, >> >> the sooner this draft can proceed. Ideally, if updated by Thursday, it >> could enter >> >> IETF Last Call and make the IESG telechat on Oct 17. >> >> >> >> Oct 15 that is. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Alia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > --001a1134fbd674999405208244fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Acee,

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco= .com> wrote:
Hi Alia, Hannes,=C2=A0

On Sep 24, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

Hannes,

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Hannes Gredler = <hannes@gredler.a= t> wrote:
i can be moved to contributors list as well if it helps.

Thanks - that would get us to 5 authors, which is the RFC Editor limit= .

Shraddha already moved one Juniper author to the contributors l= ist. Perhaps, we could do a swap in the spirit of getting more new people i= nvolved.=C2=A0

What= ever works between the WG chairs and the authors.

Practically, having watched t= hrough many of these AUTH48 periods - they really
drag on with lots of authors.

Actually, my experience has been that BIS documents where the o= riginal authors are no longer following the IETF are the toughest. Greater = than five authors has not been a problem for OSPF if they are all actively = contributing and engaged (although I have had to contact one particular former colleague of yours and current collea= gue of mine via alternate channels ;^)=C2=A0

Yup - BIS documents are hard.=C2=A0 Responsivenes= s depends on the people.=C2=A0 Of course, those involved in OSPF
= are naturally more responsive;-)
=C2=A0
Regards,
<= div>Alia

=C2=A0
Thanks,
Acee=C2=A0




Thanks,
Alia=C2=A0

=C2=A0
On 24.09.2015, at 19:27, Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net> wrote:

Alia,

=C2=A0

Thank you very much for the review an= d comments.

I have updated the draft and draft-ie= tf-ospf-node-admin-tag-05 is posted.

=C2=A0

Authors list has been reduced to 6 an= d one author moved to contributor=E2=80=99s list.

Here is the list of other comments an= d resolutions

=C2=A0

1) In the abstract: "This optional operational = capability allows to=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0express and act upon locally-defined ne= twork policy which considers=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0node properties conveyed by tags."=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the subject that "to expre= ss and act upon"?=C2=A0 Is it a router?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please clean up.

<Shraddha>change= d=C2=A0 to

=E2=80=9CThe node-tags= can be used to express and apply locally-defined

network policies which= is a very useful operational capability.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

2) In Sec 3.2: "The TLV SHOULD be considered an= unordered list." =C2=A0Perhaps

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"the value contents of the TLV&quo= t; or something that makes it clearer?

<Shraddha>Change= d to

=E2=80=9CThe administr= ative tag list within the TLV SHOULD be considered

an unordered list.=E2= =80=9D

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

3) In Sec 4.3: " [RFC7490] proposed method of&q= uot; =C2=A0should be=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"[RFC7490] defines a method of&quo= t;

<Shraddha> Updat= ed

=C2=A0

4) In Sec 5, I'm fairly certain that admin tags = can leak additional

=C2=A0 =C2=A0information to an IGP snooper.=C2=A0 It= would be useful to have some thoughts

=C2=A0 =C2=A0about that.

<Shraddha>

Node admin tags may be= used by operators to indicate geographical location or other

sensitive information.=

As indicated in <xr= ef target=3D"RFC2328"/> and <xref target=3D"RFC5340&qu= ot;/> OSPF authentication

mechanisms do not prov= ide =C2=A0confidentiality and the information carried in node admin tags co= uld be leaked to an IGP

snooper.=

=C2=A0

5) In IANA considerations, please duplicated the sug= gested value (10) that

=C2=A0 =C2=A0was mentioned in Sec 3.1<= /p>

=C2=A0

<Shraddha> Updated

=C2=A0

Rgds

Shraddha

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 1:01 AM
To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>; OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04

=C2=A0

Thanks Alias - Speaking as Document Shepherd=E2=80=A6=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0

Authors,=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please let me know if you require any assistance - these all se= em like good comments.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: OS= PF <o= spf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 3:02 PM
To: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag-04

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

As is customary, I have done my AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-no= de-admin-tag-04

before requesting IETF Last Call.

=C2=A0

First, I'd like to thank the working group and Shraddha, Ha= rish, Hannes, Rob,=C2=A0

Anton, Zhenbin, and Bruno for their hard work on the draft.=C2= =A0 However, this short=C2=A0

draft has 7 authors, which is a couple over the author limit fo= r RFCs.=C2=A0 Experience

has shown that it takes much longer to process a draft through = AUTH48 and the

other steps necessary (responsiveness to comments, agreement, e= tc) with a large

number of authors.=C2=A0 While I am willing to be persuaded - o= n or off list - that all 7

of the current authors are actively editing, I would prefer tha= t a smaller number be

selected as the active editors.

=C2=A0

In some cases, a draft represents a multi-vendor effort requiri= ng a significant commitment from more than 5 authors and I=E2=80=99d specif= ically request a deviation from the author limit. I don=E2=80=99t see this to be the case with this draft.= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

While that discussion is ongoing, here are my technical comment= s.=C2=A0 In general,

the draft is in good shape but could use some English grammar e= diting; I have not

tried to indicate all the places where "the" is missi= ng, for instance.

=C2=A0

1) In the abstract: "This optional operational capability = allows to=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0express and act upon locally-defined network polic= y which considers=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0node properties conveyed by tags."<= /u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the subject that "to express and act = upon"?=C2=A0 Is it a router?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please clean up.

=C2=A0

2) In Sec 3.2: "The TLV SHOULD be considered an unordered = list." =C2=A0Perhaps

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"the value contents of the TLV" or somet= hing that makes it clearer?

=C2=A0

3) In Sec 4.3: " [RFC7490] proposed method of" =C2=A0= should be=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"[RFC7490] defines a method of"

=C2=A0

4) In Sec 5, I'm fairly certain that admin tags can leak ad= ditional

=C2=A0 =C2=A0information to an IGP snooper.=C2=A0 It would be u= seful to have some thoughts

=C2=A0 =C2=A0about that.

=C2=A0

When you include this, be sure and point out the the attacker w= ould also require knowledge of the policies corresponding to the tags. I=E2= =80=99d also point out that the policies and advertised tags are local to the OSPF routing domain as is do= ne in RFC 5530.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Acee=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

5) In IANA considerations, please duplicated the suggested valu= e (10) that

=C2=A0 =C2=A0was mentioned in Sec 3.1

=C2=A0

Thanks again for the hard work.=C2=A0 The sooner we resolve who= m the editors are,

the sooner this draft can proceed.=C2=A0 Ideally, if updated by= Thursday, it could enter

IETF Last Call and make the IESG telechat on Oct 17.<= /u>

=C2=A0

Oct 15 that is.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regards,

Alia

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0




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h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8IrVWft3djkrfTeVksGKzWc9nCZ4fxGCWwMGXORdJVw=; b=xZ7XJ2ekL59BPEUiMkYl59IEx7n6m46Ic6L3GLkFBzJrB19XA3gsTYWK+mtYuxzht+ 9B9jms5s8UzMdJ0Uod/fNomj/1sn1b/4NFYr1Q+TFSBvO9/DkpdF7vMrXelAefZxkVvt mWQDfOanIHMBWrv3OW/PaPjMqoL8uxLTqx6g+jxyv2294fJD4NyOfC4uz7pZAbUfuzDJ 9bGob0phdihQFQovH1mHMeYAUgXHwTzZdH7/V7R25bGhoyMswkYMwdT0hXKNsibbcKtU PJBOhX/bpNFwUpxf1ARYtKoMMPQd1o2hTxg/vX8W68ZFdZ2R6PVe6XG77p0rn7QrwO/D iSeQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.131.244 with SMTP id op20mr819174oeb.24.1443120822487; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.55.170 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:53:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <036301d0f6b0$54e4c460$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:53:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b47274efe0f72052082bff3 Archived-At: Cc: OSPF List , "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 18:53:48 -0000 --047d7b47274efe0f72052082bff3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acee, I just took a quick look at this version and the IANA section looks much better. I don't see an extra paragraph talking about backwards compatibility... I'd like to get this out for IETF Last Call today, if you can spin a quick version. Thanks, Alia On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Tom, > > I believe the 04 update addresses your comments and will make IANA=E2=80= =99s job a > lot easier. > > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04.txt > has been successfully submitted by Acee Lindem and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis > Revision: 04 > Title: Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router > Capabilities > Document date: 2015-09-24 > Group: ospf > Pages: 15 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04 > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04 > > Abstract: > It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to > know the capabilities of their neighbors and other routers in the > routing domain. This document proposes extensions to OSPFv2 and > OSPFv3 for advertising optional router capabilities. The Router > Information (RI) Link State Advertisement (LSA) is defined for this > purpose. In OSPFv2, the RI LSA will be implemented with an opaque > LSA type ID. In OSPFv3, the RI LSA will be implemented with a unique > LSA type function code. In both protocols, the RI LSA can be > advertised at any of the defined flooding scopes (link, area, or > autonomous system (AS)). This document obsoletes RFC 4970 by > providing a revised specification including support for advertisement > of multiple instances of the RI LSA and a TLV for functional > capabilities. > > > > Thanks, > Acee > > On 9/24/15, 7:31 AM, "OSPF on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee)" > wrote: > > >Hi Tom, > > > >On 9/24/15, 6:02 AM, "t.petch" wrote: > > > >>Acee > >> > >>Alia having alerted me to the IANA Considerations :-( two further > >>thoughts. > >> > >>Jeff Haas has written an excellent I-D recommending that the first and > >>last points of a numeric registry should be reserved, which I agree > >>with. In that light, I suggest reserving 8191 in OSPFv3 LSA Function > >>Codes > > > >I must admit that I thought this whole discussion was much ado about > >nothing but I=E2=80=99m certainly not opposed to reserving the last func= tion code. > >If we run into a situation where we use the whole OSPFv3 LSA Function Co= de > >space, it will mean that OSPFv3 has been wildly successful! > > > >> > >>Second, 5226bis proposes a cleaner terminology, replacing top-level > >>registry, registry, sub-registry, sub-sub registry etc with Registry > >>within Group. (OSPF has eleven Groups, BGP but one). I see that OSPFv= 3 > >>LSA Function Codes is in the Open Shortest Path First v3 (OSPFv3) > >>Parameters Group. I think that you are implying that IANA should updat= e > >>some but not all the references for that Registry. Thus the reference > >>for the Registry as a whole should be for this new I-D but the referenc= e > >>for individual entries for the most part do not change except where the= y > >>are to RFC4970(?). > > > >Yes - Are you suggesting I state the registry is unchanged from RFC 4970 > >other than the change to the reservation policy and the reservation of > >8192? > > > > > >> > >>Likewise for OSPF RI TLVs which is in the Open Shortest Path First v2 > >>(OSPFv2) Parameters Group, some references will need updating, others > >>will not, and I think that that needs specifying in the I-D. > > > >Yes - are you suggesting any change of text? > > > > > >> > >>OSPF Router Informational Capability Bits I think is another Registry > >>within the same Group while OSPF Router Functional Capability Bits I > >>think is a new Registry; I don't know which Group it fits best with but > >>I think that that should be specified. > > > >This new registry should go in the "Open Shortest Path First v2 (OSPFv2) > >Parameters" group the same as the existing "OSPF Router Informational > >Capability Bits=E2=80=9D. > > > >Thanks, > >Acee > > > > > >> > >>Tom Petch > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" > >>To: "Alia Atlas" ; "OSPF List" ; > >> > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:37 PM > >>Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02 > >> > >> > >>> Hi Alia, > >>> > >>> From: Alia Atlas > > >>> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 6:00 PM > >>> To: OSPF WG List >, > >>"draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org >>etf.org>" > >> >>etf.org>> > >>> Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02 > >>> > >>> As is customary, I have done my AD review of > >>draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02. First, let me thank Acee for his work o= n > >>this draft. > >>> > >>> I have two major concerns before asking for an IETF Last Call. I > >>would like to have them > >>> resolved by this Thursday so that the draft can make the Oct 15 IESG > >>telechat. > >>> > >>> First, from a process concern, I do not see any active discussion on > >>the OSPF mailing list - even to simply say "yes - go forward". I don't > >>see anything about this draft or discussion in minutes for IETF 92 or > >>IETF 93. I'd prefer some indication besides silence and lack of > >>opposition. I do realize that there are some process or > >>protocol-tidying drafts where there isn't > >>> much interest. However, I am particularly concerned because this is > >>changing RFC4970 is a way that should be backwards compatible but might > >>trigger issues. I would encourage WG participants to PLEASE RESPOND! > >>> > >>> Second, I can see the intent that by creating an Opaque ID and > >>creating a special meaning for 0, the draft is making efforts to > >>preserve backwards compatibility. Please add a paragraph or subsection > >>that articulates how and why backwards compatibility isn't an issue. > >>> > >>> I will add more on this. > >>> > >>> For extra credit, what happens if the same TLV information is > >>advertised in multiple RI LSAs (as part of moving it from one RI LSA to > >>another)? > >>> > >>> This depends on the context of the TLV. In some cases the router > >>information is additive and in others conflicts need to be resolved. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Are there any implementations of this draft? Has backwards > >>compatibility been verified at all? > >>> > >>> Many implementations of RFC 4970. I don=E2=80=99t know of any impleme= ntations > >>that originate multiple RI LSAs. However, with all the proposed OSPF RI > >>LSA usages, I can see them coming. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> My minor issue is around the IANA considerations; I have detailed > >>comments below. > >>> > >>> Here are additional comments. > >>> > >>> 1) In Sec 2: "The first Opaque ID, i.e., 0, should always contain the > >>Router > >>> Informational Capabilities TLV and, if advertised, the Router > >>> Functional Capabilities TLV." and Sec 2.2 "The first instance ID, > >>i.e., 0, > >>> should always contain the Router Informational Capabilities TLV > >>and, > >>> if advertised, the Router Functional Capabilities TLV." > >>> > >>> Since I assume this is important for backwards compatibility, > >>should those > >>> be SHOULD instead of should? > >>> > >>> Yes. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 2) In Sec 2.3: "The first defined TLV in the body of an RI LSA is the > >>Router > >>> Informational Capabilities TLV." > >>> > >>> Surely that is only for the first Opaque ID=3D0? Does each > >>subsequent RI LSA > >>> also need to contain a Router Informational Capabilities TLV?? > >>> > >>> No. Will clarify this. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 3) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: This section is defining the > >>different IANA policies; > >>> when RFC4970 was written, RFC5226 didn't exist. But since you're > >>doing a bis, > >>> perhaps you can align to the policies in RFC5226 and remove the > >>unnecessary text?? > >>> > >>> Yes. I think of already done this. > >>> > >>> > >>> 4) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: The registry for OSPFv3 LSA Functio= n > >>Codes can > >>> be found at > >>http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv3-parameters/ospfv3-parameters.xht= m > >>l#ospfv3-parameters-3 and what is in the draft doesn't match up. I'd > >>settle for defining the ranges, and value 12 - but it's up to you and > >>IANA on the preferences. Would it make sense to change the policy from > >>Standards Action to IETF Review here also? > >>> > >>> Yes - I think this draft should change the policy for OSPFv3 LSA > >>Functions codes since RFC 4970 initially created the registry. If were > >>going to change the policy (and I think we want to do this), it makes > >>sense to do it here from a continuity standpoint. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Same thing applies to the OSPF RI TLVS > >>(http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv2-parameters/ospfv2-parameters.xh= t > >>ml#ospfv2-parameters-9 ) Also here, I think there > >>> was agreement among the 4 of us who commented on the WG mailing list > >>to change this > >>> from Standards Action to IETF Review. > >>> > >>> Yes. > >>> > >>> > >>> 5) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: "All Router Functional Capability TL= V > >>> additions are to be assigned through standards action." Give= n > >>the discussion > >>> about IETF Review vs. Standards Action for other registries, are you > >>sure you want > >>> Standards Action? > >>> > >>> No - I will change this. > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm sure that we'll get this moving along quickly. > >>> > >>> Great - will work on this today in preparation for the tomorrow=E2=80= =99s > >>telechat. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Acee > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks again! > >>> Alia > >>> > >> > >> > >>-----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > >>-------- > >> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> OSPF mailing list > >>> OSPF@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > >>> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >OSPF mailing list > >OSPF@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > --047d7b47274efe0f72052082bff3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Acee,

I just took a quick look at this = version and the IANA section looks much better.
I don't see a= n extra paragraph talking about backwards compatibility...

I'd like to get this out for IETF Last Call today, if you can = spin a quick version.

Thanks,
Alia
=

On Thu, Sep= 24, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote= :
Hi Tom,

I believe the 04 update addresses your comments and will make IANA=E2=80=99= s job a
lot easier.

A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Acee Lindem and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A004
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Extensions to OSPF for Advertising= Optional Router Capabilities
Document date:=C2=A0 2015-09-24
Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ospf
Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 15
URL:
https://www.ietf.org/internet-= drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04.txt
Status:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-i= etf-ospf-rfc4970bis/
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https:/= /tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04
Diff:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2= =3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain= to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0know the capabilities of their neighbors and other routers in = the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0routing domain.=C2=A0 This document proposes extensions to OSP= Fv2 and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0OSPFv3 for advertising optional router capabilities.=C2=A0 The= Router
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Information (RI) Link State Advertisement (LSA) is defined for= this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0purpose.=C2=A0 In OSPFv2, the RI LSA will be implemented with = an opaque
=C2=A0 =C2=A0LSA type ID.=C2=A0 In OSPFv3, the RI LSA will be implemented w= ith a unique
=C2=A0 =C2=A0LSA type function code.=C2=A0 In both protocols, the RI LSA ca= n be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0advertised at any of the defined flooding scopes (link, area, = or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0autonomous system (AS)).=C2=A0 This document obsoletes RFC 497= 0 by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0providing a revised specification including support for advert= isement
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of multiple instances of the RI LSA and a TLV for functional =C2=A0 =C2=A0capabilities.



Thanks,
Acee

On 9/24/15, 7:31 AM, "OSPF on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee)"
<ospf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of acee@cisco.com> wrote:

>Hi Tom,
>
>On 9/24/15, 6:02 AM, "t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
>
>>Acee
>>
>>Alia having alerted me to the IANA Considerations :-( two further >>thoughts.
>>
>>Jeff Haas has written an excellent I-D recommending that the first = and
>>last points of a numeric registry should be reserved, which I agree=
>>with. In that light, I suggest reserving 8191 in OSPFv3 LSA Functio= n
>>Codes
>
>I must admit that I thought this whole discussion was much ado about >nothing but I=E2=80=99m certainly not opposed to reserving the last fun= ction code.
>If we run into a situation where we use the whole OSPFv3 LSA Function C= ode
>space, it will mean that OSPFv3 has been wildly successful!
>
>>
>>Second, 5226bis proposes a cleaner terminology, replacing top-level=
>>registry, registry, sub-registry, sub-sub registry etc with Registr= y
>>within Group.=C2=A0 (OSPF has eleven Groups, BGP but one).=C2=A0 I = see that OSPFv3
>>LSA Function Codes is in the Open Shortest Path First v3 (OSPFv3) >>Parameters Group.=C2=A0 I think that you are implying that IANA sho= uld update
>>some but not all the references for that Registry.=C2=A0 Thus the r= eference
>>for the Registry as a whole should be for this new I-D but the refe= rence
>>for individual entries for the most part do not change except where= they
>>are to RFC4970(?).
>
>Yes - Are you suggesting I state the registry is unchanged from RFC 497= 0
>other than the change to the reservation policy and the reservation of<= br> >8192?
>
>
>>
>>Likewise for OSPF RI TLVs=C2=A0 which is in the Open Shortest Path = First v2
>>(OSPFv2) Parameters Group, some references will need updating, othe= rs
>>will not, and I think that that needs specifying in the I-D.
>
>Yes - are you suggesting any change of text?
>
>
>>
>>OSPF Router Informational Capability Bits I think is another Regist= ry
>>within the same Group while OSPF Router Functional Capability Bits = I
>>think is a new Registry; I don't know which Group it fits best = with but
>>I think that that should be specified.
>
>This new registry should go in the "Open Shortest Path First v2 (O= SPFv2)
>Parameters" group the same as the existing "OSPF Router Infor= mational
>Capability Bits=E2=80=9D.
>
>Thanks,
>Acee
>
>
>>
>>Tom Petch
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
>>To: "Alia Atlas" <akatlas@gmail.com>; "OSPF List" <ospf@ietf.org>;
>><draft-ie= tf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:37 PM
>>Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02
>>
>>
>>> Hi Alia,
>>>
>>> From: Alia Atlas <akat= las@gmail.com<mailto:akatlas@gm= ail.com>>
>>> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 6:00 PM
>>> To: OSPF WG List <ospf@iet= f.org<mailto:ospf@ietf.org>&= gt;,
>>"draft-= ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@i
>>etf= .org>"
>><draft-ie= tf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@i
>>etf= .org>>
>>> Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02
>>>
>>> As is customary, I have done my AD review of
>>draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02.=C2=A0 First, let me thank Acee for h= is work on
>>this draft.
>>>
>>> I have two major concerns before asking for an IETF Last Call.= =C2=A0 I
>>would like to have them
>>> resolved by this Thursday so that the draft can make the Oct 1= 5 IESG
>>telechat.
>>>
>>> First, from a process concern, I do not see any active discuss= ion on
>>the OSPF mailing list - even to simply say "yes - go forward&q= uot;.=C2=A0 I don't
>>see anything about this draft or discussion in minutes for IETF 92 = or
>>IETF 93.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'd prefer some indication besides silence= and lack of
>>opposition.=C2=A0 I do realize that there are some process or
>>protocol-tidying drafts where there isn't
>>> much interest.=C2=A0 However, I am particularly concerned beca= use this is
>>changing RFC4970 is a way that should be backwards compatible but m= ight
>>trigger issues.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I would encourage WG participants to PL= EASE RESPOND!
>>>
>>> Second, I can see the intent that by creating an Opaque ID and=
>>creating a special meaning for 0, the draft is making efforts to >>preserve backwards compatibility.=C2=A0 Please add a paragraph or s= ubsection
>>that articulates how and why backwards compatibility isn't an i= ssue.
>>>
>>> I will add more on this.
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0For extra credit, what happens if the same TLV inf= ormation is
>>advertised in multiple RI LSAs (as part of moving it from one RI LS= A to
>>another)?
>>>
>>> This depends on the context of the TLV. In some cases the rout= er
>>information is additive and in others conflicts need to be resolved= .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any implementations of this draft?=C2=A0 Has backwar= ds
>>compatibility been verified at all?
>>>
>>> Many implementations of RFC 4970. I don=E2=80=99t know of any = implementations
>>that originate multiple RI LSAs. However, with all the proposed OSP= F RI
>>LSA usages, I can see them coming.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My minor issue is around the IANA considerations; I have detai= led
>>comments below.
>>>
>>> Here are additional comments.
>>>
>>> 1) In Sec 2: "The first Opaque ID, i.e., 0, should always= contain the
>>Router
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Informational Capabilities TLV and, if advertised= , the Router
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Functional Capabilities TLV."=C2=A0 and Sec = 2.2 "The first instance ID,
>>i.e., 0,
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 should always contain the Router Informational Ca= pabilities TLV
>>and,
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 if advertised, the Router Functional Capabilities= TLV."
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Since I assume this is important for backwards co= mpatibility,
>>should those
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 be SHOULD instead of should?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) In Sec 2.3: "The first defined TLV in the body of an R= I LSA is the
>>Router
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Informational Capabilities TLV."
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Surely that is only for the first Opaque ID=3D0?= =C2=A0 Does each
>>subsequent RI LSA
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 also need to contain a Router Informational Capab= ilities TLV??
>>>
>>> No. Will clarify this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations:=C2=A0 This section is definin= g the
>>different IANA policies;
>>> when RFC4970 was written, RFC5226 didn't exist.=C2=A0 But = since you're
>>doing a bis,
>>> perhaps you can align to the policies in RFC5226 and remove th= e
>>unnecessary text??
>>>
>>> Yes. I think of already done this.
>>>
>>>
>>> 4) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations:=C2=A0 The registry for OSPFv3= LSA Function
>>Codes can
>>> be found at
>>http://www.iana.org/= assignments/ospfv3-parameters/ospfv3-parameters.xhtm
>>l#ospfv3-parameters-3 and what is in the draft doesn't match up= .=C2=A0 I'd
>>settle for defining the ranges, and value 12 - but it's up to y= ou and
>>IANA on the preferences.=C2=A0 Would it make sense to change the po= licy from
>>Standards Action to IETF Review here also?
>>>
>>> Yes - I think this draft should change the policy for OSPFv3 L= SA
>>Functions codes since RFC 4970 initially created the registry. If w= ere
>>going to change the policy (and I think we want to do this), it mak= es
>>sense to do it here from a continuity standpoint.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Same thing applies to the OSPF RI TLVS
>>(http://www.iana.org/= assignments/ospfv2-parameters/ospfv2-parameters.xht
>>ml#ospfv2-parameters-9 )=C2=A0 =C2=A0Also here, I think there
>>> was agreement among the 4 of us who commented on the WG mailin= g list
>>to change this
>>> from Standards Action to IETF Review.
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>
>>> 5) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: "All Router Functional C= apability TLV
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 additions are to be assigned throug= h standards action."=C2=A0 =C2=A0Given
>>the discussion
>>> about IETF Review vs. Standards Action for other registries, a= re you
>>sure you want
>>> Standards Action?
>>>
>>> No=C2=A0 - I will change this.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sure that we'll get this moving along quickly.
>>>
>>> Great - will work on this today in preparation for the tomorro= w=E2=80=99s
>>telechat.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Acee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>> Alia
>>>
>>
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------= -----
>>--------
>>
>>
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>>> OSPF@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf
>>>
>>
>
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--001a113ce4c8cfc7440520830179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acee, Sorry- I made the error of looking at the diff and you'd done two quick versions in succession. I'll put it in IETF Last Call - but I'd still be much happier hearing from others in the WG about support or interest in this draft. Thanks, Alia On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Alia, > > On Sep 24, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Acee, > > I just took a quick look at this version and the IANA section looks much > better. > I don't see an extra paragraph talking about backwards compatibility=E2= =80=A6 > > > Maybe because it is very brief. I wanted to avoid discussion of specific > existing TLVs. > > 3. Backward Compatibility > > For backward compatibility, previously advertised Router Information > TLVs SHOULD continue to be advertised in the first instance, i.e., 0, > of the Router Information LSA. If a Router Information TLV is > advertised in multiple Router Information LSA instances and the > multiple instance processing is not explicitly specified in the RFC > defining that Router Information TLV, the Router Instance TLV in the > Router Information LSA with the numerically smallest Instance ID will > be used and subsequent instances will be ignored. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > I'd like to get this out for IETF Last Call today, if you can spin a quic= k > version. > > Thanks, > Alia > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: > >> Hi Tom, >> >> I believe the 04 update addresses your comments and will make IANA=E2=80= =99s job a >> lot easier. >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Acee Lindem and posted to the >> IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis >> Revision: 04 >> Title: Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router >> Capabilities >> Document date: 2015-09-24 >> Group: ospf >> Pages: 15 >> URL: >> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04.txt >> Status: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis/ >> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-0= 4 >> Diff: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04 >> >> Abstract: >> It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to >> know the capabilities of their neighbors and other routers in the >> routing domain. This document proposes extensions to OSPFv2 and >> OSPFv3 for advertising optional router capabilities. The Router >> Information (RI) Link State Advertisement (LSA) is defined for this >> purpose. In OSPFv2, the RI LSA will be implemented with an opaque >> LSA type ID. In OSPFv3, the RI LSA will be implemented with a unique >> LSA type function code. In both protocols, the RI LSA can be >> advertised at any of the defined flooding scopes (link, area, or >> autonomous system (AS)). This document obsoletes RFC 4970 by >> providing a revised specification including support for advertisement >> of multiple instances of the RI LSA and a TLV for functional >> capabilities. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> On 9/24/15, 7:31 AM, "OSPF on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee)" >> wrote: >> >> >Hi Tom, >> > >> >On 9/24/15, 6:02 AM, "t.petch" wrote: >> > >> >>Acee >> >> >> >>Alia having alerted me to the IANA Considerations :-( two further >> >>thoughts. >> >> >> >>Jeff Haas has written an excellent I-D recommending that the first and >> >>last points of a numeric registry should be reserved, which I agree >> >>with. In that light, I suggest reserving 8191 in OSPFv3 LSA Function >> >>Codes >> > >> >I must admit that I thought this whole discussion was much ado about >> >nothing but I=E2=80=99m certainly not opposed to reserving the last fun= ction >> code. >> >If we run into a situation where we use the whole OSPFv3 LSA Function >> Code >> >space, it will mean that OSPFv3 has been wildly successful! >> > >> >> >> >>Second, 5226bis proposes a cleaner terminology, replacing top-level >> >>registry, registry, sub-registry, sub-sub registry etc with Registry >> >>within Group. (OSPF has eleven Groups, BGP but one). I see that OSPF= v3 >> >>LSA Function Codes is in the Open Shortest Path First v3 (OSPFv3) >> >>Parameters Group. I think that you are implying that IANA should upda= te >> >>some but not all the references for that Registry. Thus the reference >> >>for the Registry as a whole should be for this new I-D but the referen= ce >> >>for individual entries for the most part do not change except where th= ey >> >>are to RFC4970(?). >> > >> >Yes - Are you suggesting I state the registry is unchanged from RFC 497= 0 >> >other than the change to the reservation policy and the reservation of >> >8192? >> > >> > >> >> >> >>Likewise for OSPF RI TLVs which is in the Open Shortest Path First v2 >> >>(OSPFv2) Parameters Group, some references will need updating, others >> >>will not, and I think that that needs specifying in the I-D. >> > >> >Yes - are you suggesting any change of text? >> > >> > >> >> >> >>OSPF Router Informational Capability Bits I think is another Registry >> >>within the same Group while OSPF Router Functional Capability Bits I >> >>think is a new Registry; I don't know which Group it fits best with bu= t >> >>I think that that should be specified. >> > >> >This new registry should go in the "Open Shortest Path First v2 (OSPFv2= ) >> >Parameters" group the same as the existing "OSPF Router Informational >> >Capability Bits=E2=80=9D. >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Acee >> > >> > >> >> >> >>Tom Petch >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" >> >>To: "Alia Atlas" ; "OSPF List" ; >> >> >> >>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:37 PM >> >>Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02 >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Alia, >> >>> >> >>> From: Alia Atlas > >> >>> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 6:00 PM >> >>> To: OSPF WG List >, >> >>"draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org> draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@i >> >>etf.org>" >> >>> draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@i >> >>etf.org>> >> >>> Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02 >> >>> >> >>> As is customary, I have done my AD review of >> >>draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02. First, let me thank Acee for his work = on >> >>this draft. >> >>> >> >>> I have two major concerns before asking for an IETF Last Call. I >> >>would like to have them >> >>> resolved by this Thursday so that the draft can make the Oct 15 IESG >> >>telechat. >> >>> >> >>> First, from a process concern, I do not see any active discussion on >> >>the OSPF mailing list - even to simply say "yes - go forward". I don'= t >> >>see anything about this draft or discussion in minutes for IETF 92 or >> >>IETF 93. I'd prefer some indication besides silence and lack of >> >>opposition. I do realize that there are some process or >> >>protocol-tidying drafts where there isn't >> >>> much interest. However, I am particularly concerned because this is >> >>changing RFC4970 is a way that should be backwards compatible but migh= t >> >>trigger issues. I would encourage WG participants to PLEASE RESPOND! >> >>> >> >>> Second, I can see the intent that by creating an Opaque ID and >> >>creating a special meaning for 0, the draft is making efforts to >> >>preserve backwards compatibility. Please add a paragraph or subsectio= n >> >>that articulates how and why backwards compatibility isn't an issue. >> >>> >> >>> I will add more on this. >> >>> >> >>> For extra credit, what happens if the same TLV information is >> >>advertised in multiple RI LSAs (as part of moving it from one RI LSA t= o >> >>another)? >> >>> >> >>> This depends on the context of the TLV. In some cases the router >> >>information is additive and in others conflicts need to be resolved. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Are there any implementations of this draft? Has backwards >> >>compatibility been verified at all? >> >>> >> >>> Many implementations of RFC 4970. I don=E2=80=99t know of any implem= entations >> >>that originate multiple RI LSAs. However, with all the proposed OSPF R= I >> >>LSA usages, I can see them coming. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> My minor issue is around the IANA considerations; I have detailed >> >>comments below. >> >>> >> >>> Here are additional comments. >> >>> >> >>> 1) In Sec 2: "The first Opaque ID, i.e., 0, should always contain th= e >> >>Router >> >>> Informational Capabilities TLV and, if advertised, the Router >> >>> Functional Capabilities TLV." and Sec 2.2 "The first instance ID= , >> >>i.e., 0, >> >>> should always contain the Router Informational Capabilities TLV >> >>and, >> >>> if advertised, the Router Functional Capabilities TLV." >> >>> >> >>> Since I assume this is important for backwards compatibility, >> >>should those >> >>> be SHOULD instead of should? >> >>> >> >>> Yes. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2) In Sec 2.3: "The first defined TLV in the body of an RI LSA is th= e >> >>Router >> >>> Informational Capabilities TLV." >> >>> >> >>> Surely that is only for the first Opaque ID=3D0? Does each >> >>subsequent RI LSA >> >>> also need to contain a Router Informational Capabilities TLV?? >> >>> >> >>> No. Will clarify this. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 3) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: This section is defining the >> >>different IANA policies; >> >>> when RFC4970 was written, RFC5226 didn't exist. But since you're >> >>doing a bis, >> >>> perhaps you can align to the policies in RFC5226 and remove the >> >>unnecessary text?? >> >>> >> >>> Yes. I think of already done this. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 4) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: The registry for OSPFv3 LSA Functi= on >> >>Codes can >> >>> be found at >> >> >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv3-parameters/ospfv3-parameters.xhtm >> >>l#ospfv3-parameters-3 and what is in the draft doesn't match up. I'd >> >>settle for defining the ranges, and value 12 - but it's up to you and >> >>IANA on the preferences. Would it make sense to change the policy fro= m >> >>Standards Action to IETF Review here also? >> >>> >> >>> Yes - I think this draft should change the policy for OSPFv3 LSA >> >>Functions codes since RFC 4970 initially created the registry. If were >> >>going to change the policy (and I think we want to do this), it makes >> >>sense to do it here from a continuity standpoint. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Same thing applies to the OSPF RI TLVS >> >>( >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv2-parameters/ospfv2-parameters.xht >> >>ml#ospfv2-parameters-9 ) Also here, I think there >> >>> was agreement among the 4 of us who commented on the WG mailing list >> >>to change this >> >>> from Standards Action to IETF Review. >> >>> >> >>> Yes. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 5) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: "All Router Functional Capability T= LV >> >>> additions are to be assigned through standards action." Giv= en >> >>the discussion >> >>> about IETF Review vs. Standards Action for other registries, are you >> >>sure you want >> >>> Standards Action? >> >>> >> >>> No - I will change this. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm sure that we'll get this moving along quickly. >> >>> >> >>> Great - will work on this today in preparation for the tomorrow=E2= =80=99s >> >>telechat. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Acee >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Thanks again! >> >>> Alia >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >> >>-------- >> >> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> OSPF mailing list >> >>> OSPF@ietf.org >> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >OSPF mailing list >> >OSPF@ietf.org >> >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> > > --001a113ce4c8cfc7440520830179 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Acee,

Sorry- I made the error of lookin= g at the diff and you'd done two quick versions in succession.

I'll put it in IETF Last Call - but I'd still be m= uch happier hearing from others in the WG
about support or intere= st in this draft.

Thanks,
Alia

On Thu, Sep 24,= 2015 at 3:09 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi Alia,=C2=A0

On Sep 24, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

Acee,

I just took a quick look at this version and the IANA section looks mu= ch better.
I don't see an extra paragraph talking about backwards comp= atibility=E2=80=A6

Maybe because it is very brief. I wanted to avoid discussion of specif= ic existing TLVs.=C2=A0

3.=C2=A0 Backward Compatibility

=C2=A0 =C2=A0For backward compatibility, previously advertised Router = Information
=C2=A0 =C2=A0TLVs SHOULD continue to be advertised in the first instan= ce, i.e., 0,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of the Router Information LSA.=C2=A0 If a Router Informat= ion TLV is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0advertised in multiple Router Information LSA instances a= nd the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0multiple instance processing is not explicitly specified = in the RFC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0defining that Router Information TLV, the Router Instance= TLV in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Router Information LSA with the numerically smallest Inst= ance ID will
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be used and subsequent instances will be ignored.

Thanks,
Acee


I'd like to get this out for IETF Last Call today, if you can spin= a quick version.

Thanks,
Alia

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Acee Lindem (ac= ee) <acee@cisco.com&= gt; wrote:
Hi Tom,

I believe the 04 update addresses your comments and will make IANA=E2=80=99= s job a
lot easier.

A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Acee Lindem and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A004
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Extensions to OSPF for Advertising= Optional Router Capabilities
Document date:=C2=A0 2015-09-24
Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ospf
Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 15
URL:
https://www.ietf.org/internet-= drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04.txt
Status:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-i= etf-ospf-rfc4970bis/
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https:/= /tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04
Diff:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2= =3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-04

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain= to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0know the capabilities of their neighbors and other routers in = the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0routing domain.=C2=A0 This document proposes extensions to OSP= Fv2 and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0OSPFv3 for advertising optional router capabilities.=C2=A0 The= Router
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Information (RI) Link State Advertisement (LSA) is defined for= this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0purpose.=C2=A0 In OSPFv2, the RI LSA will be implemented with = an opaque
=C2=A0 =C2=A0LSA type ID.=C2=A0 In OSPFv3, the RI LSA will be implemented w= ith a unique
=C2=A0 =C2=A0LSA type function code.=C2=A0 In both protocols, the RI LSA ca= n be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0advertised at any of the defined flooding scopes (link, area, = or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0autonomous system (AS)).=C2=A0 This document obsoletes RFC 497= 0 by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0providing a revised specification including support for advert= isement
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of multiple instances of the RI LSA and a TLV for functional =C2=A0 =C2=A0capabilities.



Thanks,
Acee

On 9/24/15, 7:31 AM, "OSPF on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee)"
<ospf-bo= unces@ietf.org on behalf of acee@cisco.com> = wrote:

>Hi Tom,
>
>On 9/24/15, 6:02 AM, "t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
>
>>Acee
>>
>>Alia having alerted me to the IANA Considerations :-( two further >>thoughts.
>>
>>Jeff Haas has written an excellent I-D recommending that the first = and
>>last points of a numeric registry should be reserved, which I agree=
>>with. In that light, I suggest reserving 8191 in OSPFv3 LSA Functio= n
>>Codes
>
>I must admit that I thought this whole discussion was much ado about >nothing but I=E2=80=99m certainly not opposed to reserving the last fun= ction code.
>If we run into a situation where we use the whole OSPFv3 LSA Function C= ode
>space, it will mean that OSPFv3 has been wildly successful!
>
>>
>>Second, 5226bis proposes a cleaner terminology, replacing top-level=
>>registry, registry, sub-registry, sub-sub registry etc with Registr= y
>>within Group.=C2=A0 (OSPF has eleven Groups, BGP but one).=C2=A0 I = see that OSPFv3
>>LSA Function Codes is in the Open Shortest Path First v3 (OSPFv3) >>Parameters Group.=C2=A0 I think that you are implying that IANA sho= uld update
>>some but not all the references for that Registry.=C2=A0 Thus the r= eference
>>for the Registry as a whole should be for this new I-D but the refe= rence
>>for individual entries for the most part do not change except where= they
>>are to RFC4970(?).
>
>Yes - Are you suggesting I state the registry is unchanged from RFC 497= 0
>other than the change to the reservation policy and the reservation of<= br> >8192?
>
>
>>
>>Likewise for OSPF RI TLVs=C2=A0 which is in the Open Shortest Path = First v2
>>(OSPFv2) Parameters Group, some references will need updating, othe= rs
>>will not, and I think that that needs specifying in the I-D.
>
>Yes - are you suggesting any change of text?
>
>
>>
>>OSPF Router Informational Capability Bits I think is another Regist= ry
>>within the same Group while OSPF Router Functional Capability Bits = I
>>think is a new Registry; I don't know which Group it fits best = with but
>>I think that that should be specified.
>
>This new registry should go in the "Open Shortest Path First v2 (O= SPFv2)
>Parameters" group the same as the existing "OSPF Router Infor= mational
>Capability Bits=E2=80=9D.
>
>Thanks,
>Acee
>
>
>>
>>Tom Petch
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
>>To: "Alia Atlas" <akatlas@gmail.com>; "OSPF List" <ospf@ietf.org>;
>><draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:37 PM
>>Subject: Re: [OSPF] AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02
>>
>>
>>> Hi Alia,
>>>
>>> From: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com<mailto:akatlas@gmail.com>>
>>> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 6:00 PM
>>> To: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org<mailto:ospf@ietf.org>>,
>>"draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-ospf-rfc497= 0bis@i
>>et= f.org>"
>><draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-ospf-rfc497= 0bis@i
>>et= f.org>>
>>> Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02
>>>
>>> As is customary, I have done my AD review of
>>draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-02.=C2=A0 First, let me thank Acee for h= is work on
>>this draft.
>>>
>>> I have two major concerns before asking for an IETF Last Call.= =C2=A0 I
>>would like to have them
>>> resolved by this Thursday so that the draft can make the Oct 1= 5 IESG
>>telechat.
>>>
>>> First, from a process concern, I do not see any active discuss= ion on
>>the OSPF mailing list - even to simply say "yes - go forward&q= uot;.=C2=A0 I don't
>>see anything about this draft or discussion in minutes for IETF 92 = or
>>IETF 93.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'd prefer some indication besides silence= and lack of
>>opposition.=C2=A0 I do realize that there are some process or
>>protocol-tidying drafts where there isn't
>>> much interest.=C2=A0 However, I am particularly concerned beca= use this is
>>changing RFC4970 is a way that should be backwards compatible but m= ight
>>trigger issues.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I would encourage WG participants to PL= EASE RESPOND!
>>>
>>> Second, I can see the intent that by creating an Opaque ID and=
>>creating a special meaning for 0, the draft is making efforts to >>preserve backwards compatibility.=C2=A0 Please add a paragraph or s= ubsection
>>that articulates how and why backwards compatibility isn't an i= ssue.
>>>
>>> I will add more on this.
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0For extra credit, what happens if the same TLV inf= ormation is
>>advertised in multiple RI LSAs (as part of moving it from one RI LS= A to
>>another)?
>>>
>>> This depends on the context of the TLV. In some cases the rout= er
>>information is additive and in others conflicts need to be resolved= .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any implementations of this draft?=C2=A0 Has backwar= ds
>>compatibility been verified at all?
>>>
>>> Many implementations of RFC 4970. I don=E2=80=99t know of any = implementations
>>that originate multiple RI LSAs. However, with all the proposed OSP= F RI
>>LSA usages, I can see them coming.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My minor issue is around the IANA considerations; I have detai= led
>>comments below.
>>>
>>> Here are additional comments.
>>>
>>> 1) In Sec 2: "The first Opaque ID, i.e., 0, should always= contain the
>>Router
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Informational Capabilities TLV and, if advertised= , the Router
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Functional Capabilities TLV."=C2=A0 and Sec = 2.2 "The first instance ID,
>>i.e., 0,
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 should always contain the Router Informational Ca= pabilities TLV
>>and,
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 if advertised, the Router Functional Capabilities= TLV."
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Since I assume this is important for backwards co= mpatibility,
>>should those
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 be SHOULD instead of should?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) In Sec 2.3: "The first defined TLV in the body of an R= I LSA is the
>>Router
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Informational Capabilities TLV."
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Surely that is only for the first Opaque ID=3D0?= =C2=A0 Does each
>>subsequent RI LSA
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 also need to contain a Router Informational Capab= ilities TLV??
>>>
>>> No. Will clarify this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations:=C2=A0 This section is definin= g the
>>different IANA policies;
>>> when RFC4970 was written, RFC5226 didn't exist.=C2=A0 But = since you're
>>doing a bis,
>>> perhaps you can align to the policies in RFC5226 and remove th= e
>>unnecessary text??
>>>
>>> Yes. I think of already done this.
>>>
>>>
>>> 4) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations:=C2=A0 The registry for OSPFv3= LSA Function
>>Codes can
>>> be found at
>>http://www.iana.org/= assignments/ospfv3-parameters/ospfv3-parameters.xhtm
>>l#ospfv3-parameters-3 and what is in the draft doesn't match up= .=C2=A0 I'd
>>settle for defining the ranges, and value 12 - but it's up to y= ou and
>>IANA on the preferences.=C2=A0 Would it make sense to change the po= licy from
>>Standards Action to IETF Review here also?
>>>
>>> Yes - I think this draft should change the policy for OSPFv3 L= SA
>>Functions codes since RFC 4970 initially created the registry. If w= ere
>>going to change the policy (and I think we want to do this), it mak= es
>>sense to do it here from a continuity standpoint.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Same thing applies to the OSPF RI TLVS
>>(http://www.iana.org/= assignments/ospfv2-parameters/ospfv2-parameters.xht
>>ml#ospfv2-parameters-9 )=C2=A0 =C2=A0Also here, I think there
>>> was agreement among the 4 of us who commented on the WG mailin= g list
>>to change this
>>> from Standards Action to IETF Review.
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>
>>> 5) In Sec 4 IANA Considerations: "All Router Functional C= apability TLV
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 additions are to be assigned throug= h standards action."=C2=A0 =C2=A0Given
>>the discussion
>>> about IETF Review vs. Standards Action for other registries, a= re you
>>sure you want
>>> Standards Action?
>>>
>>> No=C2=A0 - I will change this.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sure that we'll get this moving along quickly.
>>>
>>> Great - will work on this today in preparation for the tomorro= w=E2=80=99s
>>telechat.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Acee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>> Alia
>>>
>>
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------= -----
>>--------
>>
>>
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--001a113ce4c8cfc7440520830179-- From nobody Thu Sep 24 17:40:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3321B4353; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:40:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ua8Kpylj0yse; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2F41B434D; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20150925004029.19164.32072.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:40:29 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: [OSPF] Last Call: (Advertising per-node administrative tags in OSPF) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 00:40:30 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG (ospf) to consider the following document: - 'Advertising per-node administrative tags in OSPF' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-10-08. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes an extension to OSPF protocol to add an optional operational capability, that allows tagging and grouping of the nodes in an OSPF domain. This allows simplification, ease of management and control over route and path selection based on configured policies. This document describes an extension to OSPF protocol to advertise per-node administrative tags. The node-tags can be used to express and apply locally-defined network policies which is a very useful operational capability. Node tags may be used either by OSPF itself or by other applications consuming information propagated via OSPF. This document describes the protocol extensions to disseminate per- node administrative-tags to the OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 protocol. It provides example use cases of administrative node tags. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-node-admin-tag/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2460/ From nobody Thu Sep 24 17:41:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5E51B4363; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hAnBdNpXIFMl; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172411B4353; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20150925004052.18233.121.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:40:52 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: [OSPF] Last Call: (Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 00:41:02 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG (ospf) to consider the following document: - 'Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-10-08. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to know the capabilities of their neighbors and other routers in the routing domain. This document proposes extensions to OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 for advertising optional router capabilities. The Router Information (RI) Link State Advertisement (LSA) is defined for this purpose. In OSPFv2, the RI LSA will be implemented with an opaque LSA type ID. In OSPFv3, the RI LSA will be implemented with a unique LSA type function code. In both protocols, the RI LSA can be advertised at any of the defined flooding scopes (link, area, or autonomous system (AS)). This document obsoletes RFC 4970 by providing a revised specification including support for advertisement of multiple instances of the RI LSA and a TLV for functional capabilities. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "t.p." To: "ietf" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Last Call: (Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities) to Proposed Standard > I find the IANA Considerations of this I-D most unclear. What I think > they are trying to say is > > NEW > > 5. IANA Considerations > > 5.1 > [RFC4970] defined the Router Information opaque LSA as type 4 in the > Opaque Link-State Advertisements (LSA) Option Types Registry. IANA is > asked to update the reference for that entry to point to this RFC. > > 5.2 > > [RFC4970] created the registry for OSPFv3 LSA Function Codes. IANA is > requested to update the reference for that registry to point to this > RFC. References within that registry to [RFC4970] should be updated to > point to this RFC; references to other RFCs are unchanged. The > definition and assignment policy has been updated as follows. > > This registry is now comprised of the fields Value, LSA function code > name, > and Document Reference. The OSPFv3 LSA function code is defined > in section A.4.2.1 of [OSPFV3]. The OSPFv3 LSA function code 12 > has been reserved for the OSPFv3 Router Information (RI) LSA. > > > +-----------+-------------------------------------+ > | Range | Assignment Policy | > +-----------+-------------------------------------+ > | 0 | Reserved (not to be assigned) | > | | | > | 1-11 | Already assigned | > | | | > | 12 | OSPFv3 RI LSA (Assigned herein) | > | | | > | 13-15 | Already assigned | > | | | > | 16-255 | Unassigned (IETF Review) | > | | | > | 256-8175 | Reserved (No assignments) | > | | | > | 8176-8183 | Experimentation (No assignments) | > | | | > | 8184-8191 | Vendor Private Use (No assignments) | > +-----------+-------------------------------------+ > > OSPFv3 LSA Function Codes > > * OSPFv3 LSA function codes in the range 16-255 are not be > assigned subject to IETF Review. New values are assigned only > through RFCs that have been shepherded through the IESG as AD- > Sponsored or IETF WG Documents [IANA-GUIDE]. > > * OSPFv3 LSA function codes in the range 8176-8181 are for > experimental use; these will not be registered with IANA and > MUST NOT be mentioned by RFCs. > > * OSPFv3 LSAs with an LSA Function Code in the Vendor Private > Use range 8184-8191 MUST include the Vendor Enterprise Code as > the first 4 octets following the 20 octets of LSA header. > > * If a new LSA Function Code is documented, the documentation > MUST include the valid combinations of the U, S2, and S1 bits > for the LSA. It SHOULD also describe how the Link State ID is > to be assigned. > > 5.3 > > [RFC4970] created the registry for OSPF Router Information (RI) TLVs. > IANA is requested to update the reference for this registry to point to > this RFC. The definition and assignment policy has been updated as > follows. References within that registry to [RFC4970] should be updated > to point to this RFC; references to other RFCs are unchanged. The > definition and assignment policy has been updated as follows. > > > The registry is now comprised of the fields Value, TLV Name, and > Document Reference. > The value of 1 for the informational capabilities TLV is defined > herein. The value IANA TBD (suggested value 2) for the Router > Functional Capabilities TLV is also defined herein. > > > +-------------+-----------------------------------+ > | Range | Assignment Policy | > +-------------+-----------------------------------+ > | 0 | Reserved (not to be assigned) | > | | | > | 1 | Informational Capabilities | > | | | > | 2 | Unassigned (IETF Review) | > | | | > | TBD | Functional Capabilities | > | | | > | 3-9 | Already Assigned | > | | | > | 10-32767 | Unassigned (IETF Review) | > | | | > | 32768-32777 | Experimentation (No assignments) | > | | | > | 32778-65535 | Reserved (Not to be assigned) | > +-----------+-------------------------------------+ > > OSPF RI TLVs > > * Types in the range 2, 10-32767 are to be assigned subject to > IETF Review. New values are assigned only through RFCs that > have been shepherded through the IESG as AD-Sponsored or IETF > WG Documents [IANA-GUIDE]. > > * Types in the range 32778-65535 are reserved and are not to be > assigned at this time. Before any assignments can be made in > this range, there MUST be a Standards Track RFC that specifies > IANA Considerations that covers the range being assigned. > > > 5.4 > > [RFC4970] created the registry for OSPF Router Informational Capability > Bits. IANA is requested to update the reference for this registry to > point to this RFC. The definition and assignment policy has been > updated as follows. > > - This registry is now comprised of the > fields Bit Number, Capability Name, and Document Reference. The > values are defined in Section 2.4. All Router Informational > Capability TLV additions are to be assigned through IETF Review. > > > 5.5 > > IANA ia asked to create a registry for OSPF Router Functional Capability > Bits within the Open Shortest Path First v2 (OSPFv2) Parameters Group. > > This registry will be comprised of the > fields Bit Number, Capability Name, and Document Reference. > Initially, the sub-registry will be empty but will be available > for future capabilities. All Router Functional Capability TLV > additions are to be assigned through IETF Review. > > > > > but I could be wrong! > > > Tom Petch > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The IESG" > To: "IETF-Announce" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:40 AM > Subject: [OSPF] Last Call: > (Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities) to > Proposed Standard > > > > > > The IESG has received a request from the Open Shortest Path First IGP > WG > > (ospf) to consider the following document: > > - 'Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities' > > as Proposed Standard > > > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-10-08. Exceptionally, comments may > be > > sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the > > beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > > > Abstract > > > > > > It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to > > know the capabilities of their neighbors and other routers in the > > routing domain. This document proposes extensions to OSPFv2 and > > OSPFv3 for advertising optional router capabilities. The Router > > Information (RI) Link State Advertisement (LSA) is defined for this > > purpose. In OSPFv2, the RI LSA will be implemented with an opaque > > LSA type ID. In OSPFv3, the RI LSA will be implemented with a > unique > > LSA type function code. In both protocols, the RI LSA can be > > advertised at any of the defined flooding scopes (link, area, or > > autonomous system (AS)). This document obsoletes RFC 4970 by > > providing a revised specification including support for > advertisement > > of multiple instances of the RI LSA and a TLV for functional > > capabilities. > > > > > > > > > > The file can be obtained via > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis/ > > > > IESG discussion can be tracked via > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis/ballot/ > > > > > > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSPF mailing list > > OSPF@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > From acee@cisco.com Fri Sep 25 08:31:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE6B1A6F8A for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2015 08:31:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 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Best regards, Xiaohu > -----Original Message----- > From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 3:34 AM > To: OSPF WG List > Subject: [OSPF] Advertising Tunnelling Capability in OSPF - > draft-xu-ospf-encapsulation-cap-02 WG Document Adoption Poll >=20 > This draft was presented in Prague and there was some support of using th= e IGP > to disseminate tunnel encapsulation support throughout the OSPF routing > domain. >=20 > Please indicate your support (or concerns) for adopting this as a WG Docu= ment. >=20 > Thanks, > Acee >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From nobody Sun Sep 27 22:13:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5496B1A87DF for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 22:13:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ehJZ51Db5ijb for ; 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR05MB1973; H:BY1PR0501MB1381.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Sep 2015 05:13:31.5252 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR05MB1973 Archived-At: Cc: Hannes Gredler , "Jalil, Luay" , 'Mohan Nanduri' Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 05:13:35 -0000 Acee, Thanks for picking up the draft for adoption. I believe this draft is very useful in automating the link upgrade process = and software upgrade process in overlay deployments and hence support WG adoption as co-author. I would like to take this opportunity to discuss few of the points raised= during Prague meeting. 1. Whether to keep the "Link overload" advertisement at area level or at li= nk level. In controller based deployments, it's useful to advertise the impending mai= ntenance of the link to the controller so that controller can take Special actions based on the information. The use case is described in sec = 5.2 in the draft.=20 The draft advocates increasing the metric to usable high metric on both end= s of the link. This is for backwards compatibility and to avoid need of fla= g Day upgrade on all nodes. Controller cannot assign special meaning to the metric for ex: Metric XXX= X means the link going for maintenance and take different actions based on = metric.=20 For a completely automated upgrade process, controller would need a fine gr= ained and specific information that the link is going for maintenance so th= at the services that use the particular link find a different path forceful= ly while keeping the entire process non-disruptive. 2. Use of high metric on either side of the link to divert the traffic. As I already mentioned before, draft advocates raising the reverse metric t= o a high metric but that is for backwards compatibility and to avoid=20 Need for flag-day upgrade. There were suggestions at the Prague meeting to = use lower bandwidth advertisements as well as removal of Link characteristics to force the services on different path. These mechani= sms would be disruptive and defeats the purpose of the draft. 3. Backward compatibility "Link-overload" is a new information attached to a link and is very simila= r to a new constraint being added to the link. This information is non-invasive in the sense that services that do not wan= t to look at the new constraint (link overload) May depend only on the metric to take specific actions. Whereas services that have specialized requirement of providing non-disrupt= ive upgrades can do so by processing the new constraint. Section 4 in the draft talks about backwards compatibility. I'll add more clarifications in the coming days. Rgds Shraddha -----Original Message----- From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:05 AM To: OSPF WG List Subject: [OSPF] OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 In Prague, there was consensus in the room that this use case was not cover= ed by existing mechanisms and that it was a problem the WG should solve. Th= ere were differing opinions as to the exact solution but that should not pr= eclude OSPF WG adoption. Please indicate your support (or concerns) for adopting this as a WG Docume= nt.=20 Thanks, Acee=20 _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From nobody Sun Sep 27 22:46:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BF91A88BA for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 22:46:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BJk9sMhLiKKo for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 22:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2on0137.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.100.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD9E1A8895 for ; 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Thank you for doing it so promptly and my apologies for not resolving it prior to Last Call. Trouble was, while I could see that Alia was desperate to get this on the IESG Telechat for October 15th, I could not resolve that into the date on which the Last Call would be issued, and thought I had another day (or more)! Tom Petch > Acee > > On 9/25/15, 11:30 AM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" > wrote: > > > > >A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-05.txt > >has been successfully submitted by Acee Lindem and posted to the > >IETF repository. > > > >Name: draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis > >Revision: 05 > >Title: Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities > >Document date: 2015-09-25 > >Group: ospf > >Pages: 15 > >URL: > >https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-05.txt > >Status: > >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis/ > >Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-05 > >Diff: > >https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-05 > > > >Abstract: > > It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to > > know the capabilities of their neighbors and other routers in the > > routing domain. This document proposes extensions to OSPFv2 and > > OSPFv3 for advertising optional router capabilities. The Router > > Information (RI) Link State Advertisement (LSA) is defined for this > > purpose. In OSPFv2, the RI LSA will be implemented with an opaque > > LSA type ID. In OSPFv3, the RI LSA will be implemented with a unique > > LSA type function code. In both protocols, the RI LSA can be > > advertised at any of the defined flooding scopes (link, area, or > > autonomous system (AS)). This document obsoletes RFC 4970 by > > providing a revised specification including support for advertisement > > of multiple instances of the RI LSA and a TLV for functional > > capabilities. > > > > > > From nobody Mon Sep 28 06:32:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639331A90EB for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 06:32:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lFudmi24Adn7 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 06:32:19 -0700 (PDT) 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Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 23:09:06 -0000 In the discussion of this document thus far two major concerns have been ex= pressed: 1)Advertising information which is of use only to the neighbor in an advert= isement which is area scoped is wrong 2)The scope of the problem to be addressed is not yet well defined. In part= icular whether TE attributes also need to be modified and if so how this wo= uld relate to the link overload signaling approach. I can believe that there is work here that is of interest to the WG and the= re may be a solution that is ultimately judged to be of value to deployment= s, but I would like to see a version of the draft that gets some greater de= gree of consensus before taking this on as a WG item. Right now I feel ther= e is considerable doubt as to whether the draft is headed in the right dire= ction. I encourage the authors to consider the significant feedback received in Pr= ague and reassess what problems need to be solved and how best to do so. Les =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem > (acee) > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 5:35 PM > To: OSPF WG List > Subject: [OSPF] OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 >=20 > In Prague, there was consensus in the room that this use case was not > covered by existing mechanisms and that it was a problem the WG should > solve. 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Rgds Shraddha -----Original Message----- From: Shraddha Hegde=20 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 10:43 AM To: 'Acee Lindem (acee)' ; OSPF WG List Cc: Pushpasis Sarkar ; Hannes Gredler ; 'Mohan Nanduri' ; 'Jalil, Luay' Subject: RE: OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 Acee, Thanks for picking up the draft for adoption. I believe this draft is very useful in automating the link upgrade process = and software upgrade process in overlay deployments and hence support WG ad= option as co-author. I would like to take this opportunity to discuss few of the points raised= during Prague meeting. 1. Whether to keep the "Link overload" advertisement at area level or at li= nk level. In controller based deployments, it's useful to advertise the impending mai= ntenance of the link to the controller so that controller can take Special = actions based on the information. The use case is described in sec 5.2 in = the draft.=20 The draft advocates increasing the metric to usable high metric on both end= s of the link. This is for backwards compatibility and to avoid need of fla= g Day upgrade on all nodes. Controller cannot assign special meaning to the metric for ex: Metric XXX= X means the link going for maintenance and take different actions based on = metric.=20 For a completely automated upgrade process, controller would need a fine gr= ained and specific information that the link is going for maintenance so th= at the services that use the particular link find a different path forceful= ly while keeping the entire process non-disruptive. 2. Use of high metric on either side of the link to divert the traffic. As I already mentioned before, draft advocates raising the reverse metric t= o a high metric but that is for backwards compatibility and to avoid Need = for flag-day upgrade. There were suggestions at the Prague meeting to use l= ower bandwidth advertisements as well as removal of Link characteristics to= force the services on different path. These mechanisms would be disruptive= and defeats the purpose of the draft. 3. Backward compatibility "Link-overload" is a new information attached to a link and is very simila= r to a new constraint being added to the link. This information is non-invasive in the sense that services that do not wan= t to look at the new constraint (link overload) May depend only on the metr= ic to take specific actions. Whereas services that have specialized requirement of providing non-disrupt= ive upgrades can do so by processing the new constraint. Section 4 in the draft talks about backwards compatibility. I'll add more clarifications in the coming days. Rgds Shraddha -----Original Message----- From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:05 AM To: OSPF WG List Subject: [OSPF] OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 In Prague, there was consensus in the room that this use case was not cover= ed by existing mechanisms and that it was a problem the WG should solve. Th= ere were differing opinions as to the exact solution but that should not pr= eclude OSPF WG adoption. Please indicate your support (or concerns) for adopting this as a WG Docume= nt.=20 Thanks, Acee=20 _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From nobody Mon Sep 28 20:01:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5481B2D7C for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zvmQFN94kP7C for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:01:36 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WG List References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] H-bit Support for OSPFv2 - draft-keyupate-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-01 WG Document Adoption Poll X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:36:50 -0000 support as co-author On 9/26/15 12:04 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > This draft was presented in Prague and there was consensus in the room > that it was a valid use case. It provides protocol mechanisms to > absolutely prevent transit traffic for OSPFv2 Routers (RFC 6987 only > discourages transit traffic). The draft also includes assurance of > backward compatibility. > > Please indicate your support (or concerns) for adopting this as a WG > Document. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > . > From nobody Tue Sep 29 05:37:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE2D1B378D for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 05:37:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yaqHzZDhFBX5 for ; 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bh=ynEMi2C/6H4n4yLUGRfzpFr3W1zC5Y5z0skYD8aoqnY=; b=RV5fHaI2gRyuQG7/6cQSVB7ulpiSSKDDKS6nZoF/VW1qeM1f7wPy6lc7 8M4k5RkyO/Sr4JXL66WXoXXsayIfemQut5xR/wI79foSSF9MFwiMq82Vi 37k4jz19WE+Psi4elRF0sfkdGxBfXmWSvveDxXLZ7Il/hvCLa8SDts93S Y=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,608,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="192256063" Received: from alln-core-8.cisco.com ([173.36.13.141]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 29 Sep 2015 12:38:47 +0000 Received: from [10.24.47.178] ([10.24.47.178]) by alln-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8TCcjW8023076; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:38:46 GMT Message-ID: <560A8659.1000006@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 05:38:49 -0700 From: "Ahmed Bashandy (bashandy)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , OSPF WG List References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:38:53 -0000 Support Ahmed On 9/25/2015 5:34 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > In Prague, there was consensus in the room that this use case was not > covered by existing mechanisms and that it was a problem the WG should > solve. There were differing opinions as to the exact solution but that > should not preclude OSPF WG adoption. > > Please indicate your support (or concerns) for adopting this as a WG > Document. > > > Thanks, > Acee > > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From nobody Tue Sep 29 07:06:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E14A1B4067 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:06:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wjuUpAmSRnKc for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A86B91B4060 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=798; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1443535569; x=1444745169; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=6jFm9LJ3+vs8/c5rVqdhw3A0StV601wkgnpSWch9zgA=; b=DTJbL/HnFkN1hJHs+2PkSWJbBIm3q8LsZ8eL6PvPbbaZ0BAWyGM61FT/ Z8Bw10RV3r99fbJ8i3xsjBKCRYWucORWjmkWevksXx8NueITQgPK+0Sej +NCNiBkq6wDRdLHXPC84zthp6dmSS1HhKJTgp3djNLi2wQshw3zQvViWJ M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AJAgCrmQpW/5pdJa1egyRUaQa9XAENgXEKhXkCgUw4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQlAQEEAQEBNzQbAgEIGB4QJwslAgQBEoguDctQAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARUEhnOEfYUUhCwFlXQBjRKBT4Q2kVCDbgEfAQFCgkOBPnGIGoEFAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,608,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="36428549" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Sep 2015 14:06:08 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-011.cisco.com (xch-aln-011.cisco.com [173.36.7.21]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8TE66SS015224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:06:06 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-014.cisco.com (173.37.102.24) by XCH-ALN-011.cisco.com (173.36.7.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 09:06:02 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-014.cisco.com ([173.37.102.24]) by XCH-RCD-014.cisco.com ([173.37.102.24]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 09:06:01 -0500 From: "Manish Bhardwaj (manbhard)" To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , OSPF WG List Thread-Topic: [OSPF] H-bit Support for OSPFv2 - draft-keyupate-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-01 WG Document Adoption Poll Thread-Index: AQHQ+rO/F1KbWxqPV06t0xFiUx/WGp5TaQEA Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:06:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: <560A8648.30205@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <560A8648.30205@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.4.140807 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.78.131] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <11D203B873844749805605289EE1CAE1@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] H-bit Support for OSPFv2 - draft-keyupate-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-01 WG Document Adoption Poll X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:06:37 -0000 support as co-author >On 9/26/15 12:04 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >> This draft was presented in Prague and there was consensus in the room >> that it was a valid use case. It provides protocol mechanisms to >> absolutely prevent transit traffic for OSPFv2 Routers (RFC 6987 only >> discourages transit traffic). 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(lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7661B1B5C41 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 22:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CBW74426; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 05:26:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.38) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:26:04 +0100 Received: from NKGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.203]) by nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:25:57 +0800 From: "Anil Kumar S N (VRP Network BL)" To: Pushpasis Sarkar , "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Shraddha Hegde , "Acee Lindem (acee)" Thread-Topic: OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 Thread-Index: AQHQ+rHmcRhLA+ujBk6ruiEe/oRn0J5RXZAwgACngYCAAOZAsIAAjtgA///5vgCAAANVAIAAHdGAgAAGI4CAAAMzAIAAHeHwgAA2qwCAAHDQUP//jg2AgAAL1wCAAIcG8A== Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 05:25:56 +0000 Message-ID: <327562D94EA7BF428CD805F338C31EF06C06250B@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <0E0FB058-0DC6-49BD-95BC-6E64584B1DAD@juniper.net> <03C3AD8C-BA1F-4951-BE7E-367C95535484@juniper.net> <39fe6e2522b0468c8eccff66ec701555@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> <6A3F4D8E-4D4F-4E9B-8026-1445B73F9BDE@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <6A3F4D8E-4D4F-4E9B-8026-1445B73F9BDE@juniper.net> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.212.150] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: Hannes Gredler , OSPF WG List , Mohan Nanduri , "Jalil, Luay" Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 05:26:11 -0000 Hi All, In support of the draft : draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 Draft makes sense in below scenario I suppose, I could be wrong. Case where Router detectes some fault in link, would like to advertize link= as unusable for a while. If any router using TI-LFA for FRR might be using this link for stiching P = & Q-nodes.=20 Link Overload sub TLV might help LFA clacualting node to use some other lin= k for that period of time. Possibly router under maintainence could be refresh router LSA with out thi= s link, Backward link check fails=20 and link under maintaince will not be used. I think this would be treated a= s topology change which is not the case.=20 I feel Overloading Node and Link are done for short period of time and migh= t come handy while debugging/isolating network issues. Thanks & Regards Anil S N "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" - Jon Po= stel > -----Original Message----- > From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pushpasis Sarkar > Sent: 30 September 2015 10:28 > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); Shraddha Hegde; Acee Lindem (acee) > Cc: Hannes Gredler; OSPF WG List; Mohan Nanduri; Jalil, Luay > Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link- > overload-01 >=20 > Hi Les, >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 9/30/15, 9:45 AM, "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" > wrote: >=20 > >>As I indicated before, max-metric can work in most common > >>scenarios but not all. There could be cases where an alternate path > >>cannot be found Satisfying the constraints so LSP remains on the link > >>undergoing maintenance since the link is still a last resort link. > > > >[Les:] Which seems to me to be exactly the definition of link of last > resort i.e. in the absence of any other alternative use the link > undergoing maintenance. > >?? > [Pushpasis] What if the operator does not want any traffic on those > links at all? Should not there be a way to ensure that as well? >=20 > > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From nobody Tue Sep 29 23:43:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13021A0242 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:42:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iFDVIgG_StpE for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C03E31A0235 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:42:56 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79ef6d000007f54-90-560b24ef3792 Received: from EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.75]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id CB.F8.32596.FE42B065; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 01:55:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB105.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.122]) by EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 02:42:54 -0400 From: Uma Chunduri To: Pushpasis Sarkar , "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Shraddha Hegde , "Acee Lindem (acee)" Thread-Topic: OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 Thread-Index: AQHQ9/MdJMB0YsR7d0CkMD6XMtCYyZ5RXZAwgACngYCAAOZAsIAAjtgAgAA8zACAAANVAIAAHdGAgAAGI4CAAAMzAIAAI9cAgAAwtQCAAHadAIAAE9qAgAAL1wD//9hK8A== Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:42:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1B502206DFA0C544B7A6046915200863513616FC@eusaamb105.ericsson.se> References: <0E0FB058-0DC6-49BD-95BC-6E64584B1DAD@juniper.net> <03C3AD8C-BA1F-4951-BE7E-367C95535484@juniper.net> <39fe6e2522b0468c8eccff66ec701555@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> <6A3F4D8E-4D4F-4E9B-8026-1445B73F9BDE@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <6A3F4D8E-4D4F-4E9B-8026-1445B73F9BDE@juniper.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.11] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprAIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXSPt+4HFe4wgx1/2Cwmv53HbLHhz0Z2 i4MnGpgtzj+rsjh54BGjRcu9e+wWV/Z8ZrK48WgvswOHx5TfG1k9Hm2P91iy5CeTx/Wmq+we rTv+AonvogFsUVw2Kak5mWWpRfp2CVwZW55WFXTxVOy+3sfYwPiJs4uRk0NCwESiZ8UqNghb TOLCvfVANheHkMBRRokvD6YxQjjLGSUefdnOBFLFJqAn8XHqT3aQhIjAGkaJXcf6wVqYBWYw SqycsQqsSljAReJjx16gdg6gKleJcy+dQcIiApMYJZ5u1wexWQRUJbavusQIYvMK+Eoc7/rD DmILCbxik3h4txTE5hSwl3jZ/hBsJCPQed9PrQGzmQXEJW49mc8EcbaAxJI955khbFGJl4// sULYShIff89nh6jXkViw+xMbhK0tsWzha2aIvYISJ2c+YZnAKDYLydhZSFpmIWmZhaRlASPL KkaO0uLUstx0I4NNjMAoPCbBpruDcc9Ly0OMAhyMSjy8Cy5yhQmxJpYVV+YeYpTmYFES592/ 5H6okEB6YklqdmpqQWpRfFFpTmrxIUYmDk6pBkabTKYHckoqjM+XcHvwfGCTS+OepuC/YlNX 8N1nQj825MaUm0jMWPR7diyP6eubeyfOzD7Hcf/j5eL7ihylXBbiRkybnoo9aL5yet6qvFnH Z5vmvP560vB2kXLAQ789pbeVHxQdWsom6rHRYHUi24PWp7OaDgYXpQd3RDJbnm9kmy8e0evy 5aISS3FGoqEWc1FxIgDKsRasowIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: Hannes Gredler , OSPF WG List , Mohan Nanduri , "Jalil, Luay" Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:42:58 -0000 Perhaps the last resort for all the nodes in the network for primary/backup= path computations.=20 But I see having this additional information of link undergoing maintenance= @ controller can help =20 operator to craft a policy to use/not-to-use this path at all for certain = LSPs. I am fine with this addition of this information. -- Uma C. -----Original Message----- From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pushpasis Sarkar Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 9:58 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); Shraddha Hegde; Acee Lindem (acee) Cc: Hannes Gredler; OSPF WG List; Mohan Nanduri; Jalil, Luay Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 Hi Les, On 9/30/15, 9:45 AM, "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" wrote: >>As I indicated before, max-metric can work in most common=20 >>scenarios but not all. There could be cases where an alternate path=20 >>cannot be found Satisfying the constraints so LSP remains on the link=20 >>undergoing maintenance since the link is still a last resort link. > >[Les:] Which seems to me to be exactly the definition of link of last reso= rt i.e. in the absence of any other alternative use the link undergoing mai= ntenance. >?? [Pushpasis] What if the operator does not want any traffic on those links a= t all? Should not there be a way to ensure that as well?=20 > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From nobody Tue Sep 29 23:46:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444351A0242 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:46:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IoiVlAGi_nI2 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 070781A0354 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:46:48 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f792c6d00000686a-c7-560b19b7c17c Received: from EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.75]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id BF.47.26730.7B91B065; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 01:07:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB105.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.122]) by EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 02:46:47 -0400 From: Uma Chunduri To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , OSPF WG List Thread-Topic: H-bit Support for OSPFv2 - draft-keyupate-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-01 WG Document Adoption Poll Thread-Index: AQHQ+I4sOqe7VD7MpUCLZtUUn93yZp5UpmJg Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:46:47 +0000 Message-ID: <1B502206DFA0C544B7A604691520086351361711@eusaamb105.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.11] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrKLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXSPt+4OSe4wg31nmC0mv53HbNFy7x67 A5PHlN8bWT2WLPnJFMAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJXx/epU1oKTbBVvej6wNTDuYO1i5OSQEDCR mLTpChuELSZx4d56IJuLQ0jgKKPEl+5LrBDOckaJ97/+g3WwCehJfJz6kx3EFhFwl5i18jAz iC0skCZxff9VVoh4usSdA5+hbCOJ5m1bwGwWAVWJhkPnwbbxCvhKbPt8F8wWEtCW+LWlEWwm p4COxPItzUwgNiPQRd9PrQGzmQXEJW49mc8EcamAxJI955khbFGJl4//QX2jJPHx93x2iHod iQW7P7FB2NoSyxa+ZobYKyhxcuYTlgmMorOQjJ2FpGUWkpZZSFoWMLKsYuQoLU4ty003MtzE CIyHYxJsjjsYF3yyPMQowMGoxMO78CJXmBBrYllxZe4hRmkOFiVx3nkz7ocKCaQnlqRmp6YW pBbFF5XmpBYfYmTi4JRqYAxkZPv5lWG2zRSRV6uP8+4Tflkd+sRuW+P0V3oWcUL2QV8+PTCL mRqyhjO0Z7n/nKMREseNgwKN3b8c5bNe3/Uy9rTamtmx9VW6Wzqk5qw3CbxdvnITs7fjl+le 6z/rXjzO94mfY2p/7uwI8fPX3eW9E3hcj3rHGLP+Sy3fIOsx5eBdZYMZ8kosxRmJhlrMRcWJ ACWea+9oAgAA Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] H-bit Support for OSPFv2 - draft-keyupate-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-01 WG Document Adoption Poll X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:46:50 -0000 Support. -- Uma C. -----Original Message----- From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:05 PM To: OSPF WG List Subject: [OSPF] H-bit Support for OSPFv2 - draft-keyupate-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-= 01 WG Document Adoption Poll This draft was presented in Prague and there was consensus in the room that= it was a valid use case. It provides protocol mechanisms to absolutely pre= vent transit traffic for OSPFv2 Routers (RFC 6987 only discourages transit = traffic). The draft also includes assurance of backward compatibility. Please indicate your support (or concerns) for adopting this as a WG Docume= nt. Thanks, Acee _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From nobody Tue Sep 29 23:47:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7191A026E for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:47:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id te9xLAhWqd1C for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 759531A0242 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:47:19 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79ef6d000007f54-c4-560b25f6c91a Received: from EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.84]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 87.09.32596.6F52B065; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 01:59:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB105.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.122]) by EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 02:47:18 -0400 From: Uma Chunduri To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , OSPF WG List Thread-Topic: Advertising Tunnelling Capability in OSPF - draft-xu-ospf-encapsulation-cap-02 WG Document Adoption Poll Thread-Index: AQHQ+JI/83Xs1nTaFU+1Dc43TlIRpp5UpnQA Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:47:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1B502206DFA0C544B7A604691520086351361721@eusaamb105.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.11] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrMLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPiO43Ve4wg60TTS0mv53HbNFy7x67 A5PHlN8bWT2WLPnJFMAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJXR3j6DpeAOa8WGngdMDYwPWboYOTkkBEwk Np76wgRhi0lcuLeeDcQWEjjKKPHypHoXIxeQvZxR4tXdhWBFbAJ6Eh+n/mQHsUUE3CVmrTzM DGILC5RLfJ5+jBEiXiHx73czUA0HkG0kMXEtJ0iYRUBV4uP6H2AlvAK+EtM3N7BA7NKW2DGz iRXE5hTQkfh1dT9YnBHonu+n1oCtZRYQl7j1ZD7UnQISS/acZ4awRSVePv7HCmErSXz8PZ8d ol5HYsHuT2wQtrbEsoWvmSH2CkqcnPmEZQKj6CwkY2chaZmFpGUWkpYFjCyrGDlKi1PLctON DDYxAmPhmASb7g7GPS8tDzEKcDAq8fAuuMgVJsSaWFZcmXuIUZqDRUmcd/+S+6FCAumJJanZ qakFqUXxRaU5qcWHGJk4OKUaGJdtKZ1zQ/tt4pdDznL7toXwb7LM+sFhXbTil2Nb6t2dNbon A3KnbLj70jeuaxs7y5TVT97eFWza+HTKV8sVJlolRmtYmmxO1QaH3xBlWeRo2X6m4cqdYvuA JWdlls7pcnNpnK2VeeL9dabXMw9OCFvks9jMeGZcVVC80vOf73WLXgtU65bfVVRiKc5INNRi LipOBAB4JKYuZgIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Advertising Tunnelling Capability in OSPF - draft-xu-ospf-encapsulation-cap-02 WG Document Adoption Poll X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:47:20 -0000 Support as co-author. -- Uma C. -----Original Message----- From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:34 PM To: OSPF WG List Subject: [OSPF] Advertising Tunnelling Capability in OSPF - draft-xu-ospf-e= ncapsulation-cap-02 WG Document Adoption Poll This draft was presented in Prague and there was some support of using the = IGP to disseminate tunnel encapsulation support throughout the OSPF routing= domain.=20 Please indicate your support (or concerns) for adopting this as a WG Docume= nt. Thanks, Acee _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From nobody Tue Sep 29 23:57:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D67C1A040C for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:57:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BhjcMMfFwbtf for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A6041A0419 for ; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am probably joining the party quite late, so apologies in advance if the following has already been discussed and discarded. Why cant the following be done: Set the metric of all transit links/connections on an =E2=80=9Coverloaded= =E2=80=9D router to 0xffff in its Router LSAs. This will result this router to not be included as a transit node in its neighbors SPF tree. Stub links can still be advertised with their normal metrics so that they are reachable even when a router is =E2=80=9Coverloaded=E2=80=9D. This way you can mimic IS-IS OL bit. Cheers, Manav On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Shraddha Hegde wrote: > Acee, > > Thanks for picking up the draft for adoption. > > I believe this draft is very useful in automating the link upgrade proces= s > and software upgrade process in overlay deployments and > hence support WG adoption as co-author. > > I would like to take this opportunity to discuss few of the points > raised during Prague meeting. > > 1. Whether to keep the "Link overload" advertisement at area level or at > link level. > > In controller based deployments, it's useful to advertise the impending > maintenance of the link to the controller so that controller can take > Special actions based on the information. The use case is described in se= c > 5.2 in the draft. > The draft advocates increasing the metric to usable high metric on both > ends of the link. This is for backwards compatibility and to avoid need o= f > flag > Day upgrade on all nodes. > > Controller cannot assign special meaning to the metric for ex: Metric > XXXX means the link going for maintenance and take different actions base= d > on metric. > > For a completely automated upgrade process, controller would need a fine > grained and specific information that the link is going for maintenance s= o > that the services that use the particular link find a different path > forcefully while keeping the entire process non-disruptive. > > > 2. Use of high metric on either side of the link to divert the traffic. > > As I already mentioned before, draft advocates raising the reverse metric > to a high metric but that is for backwards compatibility and to avoid > Need for flag-day upgrade. There were suggestions at the Prague meeting t= o > use lower bandwidth advertisements as well as removal of > Link characteristics to force the services on different path. These > mechanisms would be disruptive and defeats the purpose of the draft. > > 3. Backward compatibility > > "Link-overload" is a new information attached to a link and is very > similar to a new constraint being added to the link. > This information is non-invasive in the sense that services that do not > want to look at the new constraint (link overload) > May depend only on the metric to take specific actions. > > Whereas services that have specialized requirement of providing > non-disruptive upgrades can do so by processing the new constraint. > > Section 4 in the draft talks about backwards compatibility. > I'll add more clarifications in the coming days. > > Rgds > Shraddha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:05 AM > To: OSPF WG List > Subject: [OSPF] OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01 > > In Prague, there was consensus in the room that this use case was not > covered by existing mechanisms and that it was a problem the WG should > solve. There were differing opinions as to the exact solution but that > should not preclude OSPF WG adoption. > > Please indicate your support (or concerns) for adopting this as a WG > Document. > > > Thanks, > Acee > > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > --001a113dddfc3fffe50520f7611d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I am probably joining the party qui= te late, so apologies in advance if the following has already been discusse= d and discarded.

Why cant the following be done:

Set the metric of all transit links/connections on an = =E2=80=9Coverloaded=E2=80=9D router to 0xffff in its Router LSAs. This will= result this router to not be included as a transit node in its neighbors S= PF tree.=C2=A0 Stub links can still be advertised with their normal metrics= so that they are reachable even when a router is =E2=80=9Coverloaded=E2=80= =9D.

This way you can mimic IS-IS OL bit.

=
Cheers, Manav

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Shraddha Hegde <sh= raddha@juniper.net> wrote:
= Acee,

Thanks for picking up the draft for adoption.

I believe this draft is very useful in automating the link upgrade process = and software upgrade process in overlay deployments and
hence support WG adoption as co-author.

I would like to=C2=A0 take this opportunity to discuss=C2=A0 few of the poi= nts raised during Prague meeting.

1. Whether to keep the "Link overload" advertisement at area leve= l or at link level.

In controller based deployments, it's useful to advertise the impending= maintenance of the link to the controller so that controller can take
Special actions based on the information. The use case is described in sec = 5.2 in=C2=A0 the draft.
The draft advocates increasing the metric to usable high metric on both end= s of the link. This is for backwards compatibility and to avoid need of fla= g
Day upgrade on all nodes.

=C2=A0Controller cannot assign special meaning to the metric=C2=A0 for ex: = Metric XXXX means the link going for maintenance and take different actions= based on metric.

For a completely automated upgrade process, controller would need a fine gr= ained and specific information that the link is going for maintenance so th= at the services that use the particular link find a different path forceful= ly while keeping the entire process non-disruptive.


2. Use of high metric=C2=A0 on either side of the link=C2=A0 to divert the = traffic.

As I already mentioned before, draft advocates raising the reverse metric t= o a high metric=C2=A0 but that is for backwards compatibility and to avoid<= br> Need for flag-day upgrade. There were suggestions at the Prague meeting to = use lower bandwidth advertisements as well as removal of
Link characteristics to force the services on different path. These mechani= sms would be disruptive and defeats the purpose of the draft.

3.=C2=A0 Backward compatibility

"Link-overload"=C2=A0 is a new information attached to a link and= is very similar to a new constraint being added to the link.
This information is non-invasive in the sense that services that do not wan= t to look at the new constraint (link overload)
May depend only on the metric to take specific actions.

Whereas services that have specialized requirement of providing non-disrupt= ive upgrades can do so by processing the new constraint.

Section 4 in the draft talks about backwards compatibility.
I'll add more clarifications in the coming days.

Rgds
Shraddha


-----Original Message-----
From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:05 AM
To: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>=
Subject: [OSPF] OSPF Link Overload - draft-hegde-ospf-link-overload-01

In Prague, there was consensus in the room that this use case was not cover= ed by existing mechanisms and that it was a problem the WG should solve. Th= ere were differing opinions as to the exact solution but that should not pr= eclude OSPF WG adoption.

Please indicate your support (or concerns) for adopting this as a WG Docume= nt.


Thanks,
Acee


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=C2=A0=C2=A0 My name is M= arcelo and I want to get help to can poll via snmp my router (cisco 7600) t= he neighbors list that are reachables on a Interfac= e JOINED TO A VRF TABLE.

Could you help me? wich OID can I use to do this?


Thanks

Marcelo Martinez
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