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Lg0KDQpUaGFua3MNCi1tDQoNCg== From nobody Mon Jan 1 23:57:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E96A1205F1; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 23:57:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151487985620.22115.9420883440213963958@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 23:57:36 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 07:57:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. Title : OSPF Link Overload Authors : Shraddha Hegde Pushpasis Sarkar Hannes Gredler Mohan Nanduri Luay Jalil Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-01-01 Abstract: When a link is being prepared to be taken out of service, the traffic needs to be diverted from both ends of the link. Increasing the metric to the highest metric on one side of the link is not sufficient to divert the traffic flowing in the other direction. It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to be able to advertise a link as being in an overload state to indicate impending maintenance activity on the link. This information can be used by the network devices to re-route the traffic effectively. This document describes the protocol extensions to disseminate link- overload information in OSPFv2 and OSPFv3. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jan 2 08:15:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B82112D777; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 08:15:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com, ospf@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , acee@cisco.com, ospf-chairs@ietf.org Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151490973539.22518.1690841829319528475.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 08:15:35 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Last Call: (OSPF Link Overload) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:15:35 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG (ospf) to consider the following document: - 'OSPF Link Overload' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2018-01-16. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract When a link is being prepared to be taken out of service, the traffic needs to be diverted from both ends of the link. Increasing the metric to the highest metric on one side of the link is not sufficient to divert the traffic flowing in the other direction. It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to be able to advertise a link as being in an overload state to indicate impending maintenance activity on the link. This information can be used by the network devices to re-route the traffic effectively. This document describes the protocol extensions to disseminate link- overload information in OSPFv2 and OSPFv3. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2577/ From nobody Wed Jan 3 09:23:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2469F12D77E for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 09:23:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uqGKWDOYXtv9 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 09:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6324512D7E2 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 09:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from resomta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.230]) by resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id Wmk7eFv4GTmBfWml4eRV2h; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:23:18 +0000 Received: from [172.22.228.216] ([162.210.130.3]) by resomta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id WmiuekJqCWQ7ZWmixe3OAY; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:21:16 +0000 From: tony.li@tony.li Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F863C3B1-C4BB-403A-BDCA-1A004F556085" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <83281488-E942-4A8F-8C87-B4076734D3D1@tony.li> References: <151499984931.30939.8391883445576375968.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: dcrouting@ietf.org, isis-wg@ietf.org, ospf@ietf.org Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 09:21:04 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDslTiYr/r+A4b7MnTkwaABFqYU6+YSKbohpFKPNwV9sfsCg00fQPoAPnunvRk3hVCm7mLbYLAH+qYmiJGtFPIGdTM9/wb/ZLhT/3bOvijM+MfWWHuf8 P2cZ6Nn4Pv5L/clSDvTdw3b67wH23atdMd3/RHPk9iRGt2q0emS4Ie9DM0yyr1k8i58ZlH2E+v9MZWSYJwaGTRFdgRdFt4TFuPw= Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-00.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:23:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F863C3B1-C4BB-403A-BDCA-1A004F556085 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI... > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-00.txt > Date: January 3, 2018 at 9:17:29 AM PST > To: "Tony Li" >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-li-dynamic-flooding-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Tony Li and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-li-dynamic-flooding > Revision: 00 > Title: An Architecture for Dynamic Flooding on Dense = Graphs > Document date: 2018-01-02 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 8 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-li-dynamic-flooding-00.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-dynamic-flooding/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-dynamic-flooding-00 > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-dynamic-flooding-00 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > Routing with link state protocols in dense network topologies can > result in suboptimal convergence times due to the overhead = associated > with flooding. This can be addressed by decreasing the flooding > topology so that it is less dense. >=20 > This document discusses the problem in some depth and an > architectural solution. Specific protocol changes are not described > in this document. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_F863C3B1-C4BB-403A-BDCA-1A004F556085 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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Name: = draft-li-dynamic-flooding
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Title:= = An Architecture for Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs
Document date: 2018-01-02
Group:= = Individual Submission
Pages: 8
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Abstract:
  Routing with link state protocols in dense = network topologies can
  result in suboptimal = convergence times due to the overhead associated
=   with flooding.  This can be addressed by decreasing the = flooding
  topology so that it is less = dense.

  This document discusses = the problem in some depth and an
=   architectural solution.  Specific protocol changes are = not described
  in this document.




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= --Apple-Mail=_F863C3B1-C4BB-403A-BDCA-1A004F556085-- From nobody Wed Jan 3 17:57:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01825124D37; Wed, 3 Jan 2018 17:57:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151503101993.18436.5436414912732771869@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:56:59 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc-05.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 01:57:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. Title : Signaling Entropy Label Capability and Readable Label-stack Depth Using OSPF Authors : Xiaohu Xu Sriganesh Kini Siva Sivabalan Clarence Filsfils Stephane Litkowski Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc-05.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-01-03 Abstract: Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) has defined a mechanism to load balance traffic flows using Entropy Labels (EL). An ingress Label Switching Router (LSR) cannot insert ELs for packets going into a given tunnel unless an egress LSR has indicated via signaling that it has the capability of processing ELs, referred to as Entropy Label Capability (ELC), on that tunnel. In addition, it would be useful for ingress LSRs to know each LSR's capability of reading the maximum label stack depth, referred to as Readable Label-stack Depth (RLD), in the cases where stacked LSPs are used for whatever reasons. This document defines mechanisms to signal these two capabilities using OSPF. These mechanisms are useful when the label advertisement is also done via OSPF. In addition, this document introduces the Router Non-OSPF Functional Capabilities TLV for advertising OSPF router's actual non-OSPF functional capabilities. ELC is one of such non-OSPF functional capabilities. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jan 4 15:32:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3091273E2; Thu, 4 Jan 2018 15:32:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joel Halpern To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151510872060.14779.1209340587073567227@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 15:32:00 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 23:32:01 -0000 Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review Date: 2018-01-04 IETF LC End Date: 2018-01-16 IESG Telechat date: 2018-01-25 Summary: This document is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard Major issues: N/A; my concerns from earlier versions have been addressed. Minor issues: I understand the WG likes using the term "overload" for a link being taken out of service. I think people will learn what we mean. I do wish we had not chosen to misuse the words in this fashion. This is much more a graceful-link-close indication (or clsoe-pending indication) than it is an overload indication. 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Thu, 4 Jan 2018 17:44:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sean Turner To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151511668059.14718.13596043175355413910@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 17:44:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 01:44:41 -0000 Reviewer: Sean Turner Review result: Ready In reviewing this draft, I was most concerned that this mechanism could be used by an attacker to push traffic towards or away from a node. If the messages are authenticated then I tend to agree with your assessment that this draft doesn't introduce any new security considerations beyond those in [RFC2328]/[RFC5340]. If not, well all bets are off. I did note a couple of editorial nits, but I sent those directly to the authors. 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(acee)" , Joel Halpern , "gen-art@ietf.org" CC: "ospf@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 Thread-Index: AQHThbuRS0E8Ymcr2kaVACNqyw2GeaNkihcw Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 02:26:49 +0000 Message-ID: References: <151510872060.14779.1209340587073567227@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.154.161.233] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_bc44e16c2bf94d34a92d10c3f64ae07eXCHALN001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 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In-Reply-To: <26758_1515418771_5A537493_26758_190_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A4793F82A@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <151510872060.14779.1209340587073567227@ietfa.amsl.com> <07098d41e11849d9a320061bb68aec0f@XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com> <26758_1515418771_5A537493_26758_190_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A4793F82A@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Pushpasis Sarkar Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 22:52:26 +0530 Message-ID: To: Bruno Decraene Cc: Shraddha Hegde , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , Joel Halpern , "gen-art@ietf.org" , "ospf@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1145e576c9475f0562470ad0" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 17:22:31 -0000 --001a1145e576c9475f0562470ad0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joel et al, +1 for 'graceful-link-shutdown'. Another possibility may be 'link-decommission'.. Thanks and regards -Pushpasis On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:09 PM, wrote: > > > > > *From:* Shraddha Hegde > > How about =E2=80=9Cgraceful-link-shutdown=E2=80=9D ? > > > > Looks good to me. > > Also, FYI, for BGP sessions, in the GROW WG we used the term =E2=80=9CGra= ceful BGP session shutdown=E2=80=9D and named the BGP community =E2=80=9CGR= ACEFUL_SHUTDOWN=E2=80=9D so this would align on the terminology. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-13 > > > > Best regards, > > --Bruno > > > > > > Rgds > > Shraddha > > > > > > > > *From:* Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com ] > *Sent:* Friday, January 5, 2018 6:50 PM > *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Ketan Talaulikar > (ketant) ; Joel Halpern ; > gen-art@ietf.org > *Cc:* ospf@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload. > all@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-1= 1 > > > > It is not in =E2=80=9Cmaintenance" mode yet as it is still being used. Ho= wever, it > is better than =E2=80=9Coverload=E2=80=9D. =E2=80=9Cpending-maintenance= =E2=80=9D is a bit long which is why > I suggested =E2=80=9Cpending-shutdown=E2=80=9D since =E2=80=9Cshutdown=E2= =80=9D is term that vendors have > used for eons to described an interface that is not in service. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > *From: *"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" > *Date: *Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:56 PM > *To: *"Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , Acee Lindem < > acee@cisco.com>, "Joel M. Halpern" , " > gen-art@ietf.org" > *Cc: *OSPF WG List , "ietf@ietf.org" , " > draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" overload.all@ietf.org> > *Subject: *RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-1= 1 > > > > Ketan =E2=80=93 > > > > =E2=80=9Cmaintenance=E2=80=9D I could live with. > > > > =E2=80=9CGIR=E2=80=9D seems to not be generic enough. > > > > Les > > > > > > *From:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Sent:* Thursday, January 04, 2018 8:09 PM > *To:* Acee Lindem (acee) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) < > ginsberg@cisco.com>; Joel Halpern ; gen-art@ietf.org > *Cc:* ospf@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload. > all@ietf.org > *Subject:* RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-1= 1 > > > > Hello, > > > > May I suggest something more generic like =E2=80=9CMaintenance Mode=E2=80= =9D or =E2=80=9CGraceful > Insertion/Removal (GIR) Mode=E2=80=9D which could be defined so as to cov= er the > multiple scenarios in question (e.g. pending shutdown, down for repairs, > last resort due to poor link quality, etc.). > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Acee Lindem (acee) > *Sent:* 05 January 2018 08:14 > *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Joel Halpern < > jmh@joelhalpern.com>; gen-art@ietf.org > *Cc:* ospf@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload. > all@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [OSPF] Genart last call review of > draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 > > > > Hi Les, > > > > *From: *"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" > *Date: *Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:26 PM > *To: *Acee Lindem , "Joel M. Halpern" , > "gen-art@ietf.org" > *Cc: *OSPF WG List , "ietf@ietf.org" , " > draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" overload.all@ietf.org> > *Subject: *RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-1= 1 > > > > > >Minor issues: > > > > I understand the WG likes using the term "overload" for a link > > > >being taken > > > > out of service. I think people will learn what we mean. I do wis= h > > > >we had > > > > not chosen to misuse the words in this fashion. This is much more= a > > > > graceful-link-close indication (or clsoe-pending indication) than > > > >it is an > > > > overload indication. > > > > > > I agree with this comment but I wasn=E2=80=99t sure we=E2=80=99d reach = consensus on a > > > better alternative. However, after some though and consideration of > current > > > OSPF router terminology, I=E2=80=99d propose we use the term =E2=80=9CP= ending-Shutdown=E2=80=9D. > > > Does anyone not agree that this is a more appropriate moniker for the T= LV > > > and state? > > > > > [Les:] I agree with Joel's comment. The use of the term "overload" is > unfortunate. > > But "pending-shutdown" isn=E2=80=99t appealing to me because - at least i= n most > use cases - you aren't actually going to shutdown the link. What you are > going to do is make a link the "link of last resort". > > This seems a better choice. > > > > That is not the use case - you are going to take the link down. It is not > going to be the "link of last resort=E2=80=9D, it is the currently the = =E2=80=9Clink of > last resort=E2=80=9D and will imminently be taken down. > > > > > > The suggestion from Shraddha that this term was borrowed from IS-IS isn't > accurate. "overload" in IS-IS has a very different meaning - it indicates= a > node either has an incomplete LSDB or (a la RFC 3277 > > )an incomplete forwarding plane. > > > > The only use of "link overload" in IS-IS occurs in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-07#section-3.6 > > and this was added recently to support the (very useful) TE use case whic= h > was defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload- > 11 > > . When this was done the term "link-overload" was cut and pasted from the > OSPF draft. I think this should also be changed in the IS-IS draft. > > > > Agreed. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > Les > > > > > Thanks, > > > Acee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OSPF mailing list > > > OSPF@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez re= cu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages = electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme o= u falsifie. 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Hi Joel et al,

+1 for 'graceful-lin= k-shutdown'. Another possibility may be 'link-decommission'..= =C2=A0

Thanks and regards
-Pushpasis

On Mon, J= an 8, 2018 at 7:09 PM, <bruno.decraene@orange.com> = wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Shraddha Hegde

How abo= ut =E2=80=9Cgraceful-link-shutdown=E2=80=9D ?

= =C2=A0

Looks good to = me.

Also, FYI, for BGP sessions, in the GROW WG we us=
ed the term =E2=80=9CGraceful BGP session shutdown=E2=80=9D and named the B=
GP community =E2=80=9CGRACEFUL_SHUTDOWN<=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Arial","sans-serif=
";color:black">=E2=80=9D so this would align on the terminology.

ht= tps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-13

=C2=A0<= u>

Best regards,<= u>

--Bruno=

=C2=A0<= u>

=C2=A0<= u>

Rgds=

Shraddh= a

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0

From: Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com]
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:50 PM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &= lt;ketant@cisco.com>; Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com>; gen-art@ietf.org<= br> Cc: ospf@ietf.org= ; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org=
Subject: Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d-11

=C2=A0

It is not in =E2=80=9Cmaintenance" mode yet as it is still bei= ng used. However, it is better than =E2=80=9Coverload=E2=80=9D. =E2=80=9Cpe= nding-maintenance=E2=80=9D is a bit long which is why I suggested =E2=80=9C= pending-shutdown=E2=80=9D since =E2=80=9Cshutdown=E2=80=9D is term that vendors have used for eons t= o described an interface that is not in service.

Thanks,

Acee=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: = "Les Ginsberg (g= insberg)" <= ginsberg@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:56 PM
To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>, Acee Lindem <<= a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com>, = "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, "gen-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org= >
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-link-ov= erload.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d-11

=C2=A0

Ketan = =E2=80=93

=C2=A0<= /span>

=E2=80= =9Cmaintenance=E2=80=9D I could live with.

=C2=A0<= /span>

=E2=80= =9CGIR=E2=80=9D seems to not be generic enough.

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Les<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

From:<= /span> Ketan Talaulikar (ket= ant)
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 8:09 PM
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Jo= el Halpern <jmh= @joelhalpern.com>; gen-art@ietf.org<= br> Cc: ospf@ietf.org= ; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org=
Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d-11

=C2=A0=

Hello,<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

May I s= uggest something more generic like =E2=80=9CMaintenance Mode=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9CGraceful Insertion/Removal (GIR) Mode=E2=80=9D which could be defi= ned so as to cover the multiple scenarios in question (e.g. pending shutdow= n, down for repairs, last resort due to poor link quality, etc.).

=C2=A0<= /span>

Thanks,=

Ketan

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0

Hi Les,=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

From: = "Les Ginsberg (g= insberg)" <= ginsberg@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:26 PM
To: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>, "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, &quo= t;gen-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@i= etf.org>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-link-ov= erload.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d-11

=C2=A0<= /u>

> >Minor issues:

> >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I understand the WG likes usin= g the term "overload" for a link

> >being taken

> >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 out of service.=C2=A0 I think = people will learn what we mean.=C2=A0 I do wish

> >we had

> >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 not chosen to misuse the words= in this fashion.=C2=A0 This is much more a

> >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 graceful-link-close indication= (or clsoe-pending indication) than

> >it is an

> >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 overload indication.=

>

> I agree with this comment but I wasn=E2=80=99t sure w= e=E2=80=99d reach consensus on a

> better alternative. However, after some though and co= nsideration of current

> OSPF router terminology, I=E2=80=99d propose we use t= he term =E2=80=9CPending-Shutdown=E2=80=9D.

> Does anyone not agree that this is a more appropriate= moniker for the TLV

> and state?

>=C2=A0

[Les:] I agree with Joel's comment. The use of the ter= m "overload" is unfortunate.

But "pending-shutdown" isn=E2=80=99t appealing t= o me because - at least in most use cases - you aren't actually going t= o shutdown the link. What you are going to do is make a link the "link= of last resort".

This seems a better choice.

=C2=A0<= /u>

That is not the use case - you are going to take the link down. It = is not going to be the "link of last resort=E2=80=9D, it is the curren= tly the =E2=80=9Clink of last resort=E2=80=9D and will imminently be taken down.=C2=A0=

=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0

The suggestion from Shraddha that this term was borrowed f= rom IS-IS isn't accurate. "overload" in IS-IS has a very diff= erent meaning - it indicates a node either has an incomplete LSDB or (a la RFC 3277 )an incomplete forwarding plane.

=C2=A0

The only use of "link overload" in IS-IS occurs = in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-07#sec= tion-3.6 and this was added recently to support the (very useful) TE us= e case which was defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 = . When this was done the term "link-overload" was cut and pasted = from the OSPF draft. I think this should also be changed in the IS-IS draft= .

=C2=A0<= /u>

Agreed.=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

Thanks,=

Acee=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les

=C2=A0

> Thanks,

> Acee

> >

> >

> >

>

> _______________________________________________<= u>

> OSPF mailing list

> OSPF@ietf.org<= /a>

> https://www.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/ospf

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X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151543843917.11347.12095569886234420912@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 11:07:19 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-20 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 19:07:19 -0000 Reviewer: Mehmet Ersue Review result: Ready I reviewed the document "OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility" (draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-20.txt) as part of the Operational directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the operational area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. Intended status: Standards Track Current IESG state: In Last Call (ends 2018-01-11) IANA State: IANA - Review Needed Updates RFC 5340 (OSPF for IPv6) and RFC 5838 (Support of Address Families in OSPFv3) Summary: The document extends the Link State Advertisement (LSA) format by encoding the existing OSPFv3 LSA information in Type-Length-Value (TLV) tuples and allowing advertisement of additional information with additional TLVs. The document provides backward compatibility mechanisms. There are no relevant nits in the document. I believe the document does not cause any issues related to operations and management. It has a clear language and looks ready for publication. 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Tue, 9 Jan 2018 08:51:36 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1515484297; bh=gyFFYFbfilhKcWADNPrRmC52Ybx9yxsj71hhSfcvPPs=; h=From:To:Date; b=QeHshiUTt+PAxuH8ooibzfOiEPcowO2BppHW3gQ+wB1nGfuxdSd147fvz8reZlCxe 7WDwoOs/1ahXAOdoE5Of+CtLv64yM1pjAqO28/pQ+XuayvO83LOn6UchQcwoVzvgfn LPq8p1/ZcDQOf8YIVQB3gxOz3atjugsKdHkWzumM= Message-ID: <1515484295.18448.9.camel@nic.cz> From: Ladislav Lhotka To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "yang-doctors@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-yang.all@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "ospf@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 08:51:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <151255960762.30655.17225294251460480729@ietfa.amsl.com> Organization: CZ.NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-yang-09 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 07:51:42 -0000 Hi Acee, please see inline. On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 19:28 +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Lada, > > Apologies for the delay. We somewhat got hung up on 4 and 6. See inline. > > On 12/6/17, 6:26 AM, "Ladislav Lhotka" wrote: > > > Reviewer: Ladislav Lhotka > > Review result: Ready with Issues ... > > > > 3. Maybe the draft could mention that implementations should supply a > > default routing domain as a system-controlled resource. > > Isn’t this more of an RFC8022BIS statement? I guess we could state this as > an assumption. Probably, but it is not a YANG issue, so I'd leave it to you routing folks to decide. > > > > 4. In "when" expressions, the module uses literal strings for > > identities. This is known to be problematic, the XPath functions > > derived-from() or derived-from-or-self() should be used instead. > > Why is this problematic? Is it because the types can be extended? That's one reason: derived identities should often also satisfy the constraint. But the more serious problem is that things like when "../../../../../../../rt:type = 'ospf:ospfv3'" rely on plain string comparison that depends od the actual prefix used for the "rt:type" value. For one, according to RFC 7951 the JSON encoding of this value would be "ietf-ospf:ospfv3" so the above expression is always false. > > > > 6. The types of LSA headers are modelled as integers. While OSPF gurus > > probably know these numbers by heart, it is not very > > reader-frienly. So at least some references to documents defining > > these numbers should be provided, but my suggestion is to consider > > implementing them with identities. It seems it might also be useful > > to define some "abstract" identities for these types. For example, > > if "opaque-lsa" is defined, then the definition of container > > "opaque" could simply use > > > > when "derived-from(../../header/type, 'ospf:opaque-lsa')"; > > > > instead of > > > > when "../../header/type = 9 or " > > + "../../header/type = 10 or " > > + "../../header/type = 11"; > > I guess I don’t see the identities as always being better. We will > consider this one. In what situations could the numbers be better? ... Thanks, Lada -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Tue Jan 9 00:08:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A604126B7F; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 00:08:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uOtn1UGnzIoB; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 00:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB737124E15; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 00:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.56]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7BC521AE0144; 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Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:20:41 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1515511241; bh=OU0uMU2VBsjX5vK2wtAuBGuHimdB28PQlgpZkHLMjws=; h=From:To:Date; b=b+RrffikV0hyjfgSPd7iE03rgpN/rhCX+XaU9n4NYtaWsmwtSnxUUnQqvAf0S2VfX DnJ3nEOWWGhPkMmnvfXSAxbVNfLOY2ErQ8rJpsxG9EqhPTHb2Zje5H23OlBcCiuro4 EGv8DFnKMSs7C0qM+hd3Q6NbXFo/DzGRK3Pl7BJ8= Message-ID: <1515510536.26845.18.camel@nic.cz> From: Ladislav Lhotka To: Martin Bjorklund Cc: acee@cisco.com, yang-doctors@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-yang.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, ospf@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20180109.090648.1082913423972100343.mbj@tail-f.com> References: <151255960762.30655.17225294251460480729@ietfa.amsl.com> <1515484295.18448.9.camel@nic.cz> <20180109.090648.1082913423972100343.mbj@tail-f.com> Organization: CZ.NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:08:56 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-yang-09 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:20:47 -0000 On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 09:06 +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Hi, > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > Hi Acee, > > > > > > please see inline. > > > > > > On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 19:28 +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > > > Hi Lada, > > > > > > > > Apologies for the delay. We somewhat got hung up on 4 and 6. See inline. > > > > > > > > On 12/6/17, 6:26 AM, "Ladislav Lhotka" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Reviewer: Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > Review result: Ready with Issues > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Maybe the draft could mention that implementations should supply a > > > > > default routing domain as a system-controlled resource. > > > > > > > > Isn’t this more of an RFC8022BIS statement? I guess we could state this as > > > > an assumption. > > > > > > Probably, but it is not a YANG issue, so I'd leave it to you routing folks > to > > > decide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. In "when" expressions, the module uses literal strings for > > > > > identities. This is known to be problematic, the XPath functions > > > > > derived-from() or derived-from-or-self() should be used instead. > > > > > > > > Why is this problematic? Is it because the types can be extended? > > > > > > That's one reason: derived identities should often also satisfy the > constraint. > > > > > > But the more serious problem is that things like > > > > > > when "../../../../../../../rt:type = 'ospf:ospfv3'" > > > > > > rely on plain string comparison that depends od the actual prefix used for > the > > > "rt:type" value. For one, according to RFC 7951 the JSON encoding of this > value > > > would be "ietf-ospf:ospfv3" so the above expression is always false. > > > This is not correct; the when expression is not evaluated on the JSON > encoding. See the last paragraph of section 9.10.3 in RFC 7950: > > The string value of a node of type "identityref" in a "must" or > "when" XPath expression is the referred identity's qualified name > with the prefix present. If the referred identity is defined in an > imported module, the prefix in the string value is the prefix defined > in the corresponding "import" statement. Otherwise, the prefix in > the string value is the prefix for the current module. This is weird, to say the least. The leafref instance may have an identity value that is defined in a module that (has to be implemented by the server but) needn't be imported in the module that contains the XPath expression. So I don't know what 'corresponding "import" statement' this paragraph is talking about. Also, potentially there can be a collision in prefixes and then this also breaks down. A moral of the namespace/prefix story in XML was that relying of namespace prefixes having a particular value is a really bad idea. I know that the cited paragraph was intended to make such XPath string comparisons more deterministic, but it is also problematic and should be avoided if possible. Lada > > So the equality test of the identityref is correct. > > However, I agree that in most cases 'derived-from-or-self' should be > used, in order to handle derived identities. > > > /martin -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Tue Jan 9 07:23:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252D4126C0F; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:23:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SzIEWrVq4Bh6; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2000F1205F0; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from birdie (cst-prg-24-198.cust.vodafone.cz [46.135.24.198]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A352D63DD6; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:23:03 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1515511383; bh=u1ZMqh+sPrDwrEWWUvhIqbOjCuh5NSgOvTGO0UfuA/k=; h=From:To:Date; b=HjQvQn7tmQQ54Q+0xNsJ0Uc78cJKFbaOoD9rbe/EQTt5IrTyd6cvlS0Sppmpzmnjr b9BWlAPErhAI89GVetE08OJQp+MBNPeZkxF61oQNydkhsX+I3MPbEGQcktsu9BNkB5 9ji3AkTTHcxuPou7fDHrndeHctsbbPYJqpd0rO2k= Message-ID: <1515511383.26845.19.camel@nic.cz> From: Ladislav Lhotka To: Martin Bjorklund Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, ospf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-yang.all@ietf.org Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:23:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1515510536.26845.18.camel@nic.cz> References: <151255960762.30655.17225294251460480729@ietfa.amsl.com> <1515484295.18448.9.camel@nic.cz> <20180109.090648.1082913423972100343.mbj@tail-f.com> <1515510536.26845.18.camel@nic.cz> Organization: CZ.NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-yang-09 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:23:07 -0000 On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 16:08 +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 09:06 +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > Hi Acee, > > > > > > please see inline. > > > > > > On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 19:28 +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > > > Hi Lada, > > > > > > > > Apologies for the delay. We somewhat got hung up on 4 and 6. See inline. > > > > > > > > On 12/6/17, 6:26 AM, "Ladislav Lhotka" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Reviewer: Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > Review result: Ready with Issues > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Maybe the draft could mention that implementations should supply a > > > > > default routing domain as a system-controlled resource. > > > > > > > > Isn’t this more of an RFC8022BIS statement? I guess we could state this > > > > as > > > > an assumption. > > > > > > Probably, but it is not a YANG issue, so I'd leave it to you routing folks > > > > to > > > > > decide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. In "when" expressions, the module uses literal strings for > > > > > identities. This is known to be problematic, the XPath functions > > > > > derived-from() or derived-from-or-self() should be used instead. > > > > > > > > Why is this problematic? Is it because the types can be extended? > > > > > > That's one reason: derived identities should often also satisfy the > > > > constraint. > > > > > > > > But the more serious problem is that things like > > > > > > when "../../../../../../../rt:type = 'ospf:ospfv3'" > > > > > > rely on plain string comparison that depends od the actual prefix used for > > > > the > > > > > "rt:type" value. For one, according to RFC 7951 the JSON encoding of this > > > > value > > > > > would be "ietf-ospf:ospfv3" so the above expression is always false. > > > > > > This is not correct; the when expression is not evaluated on the JSON > > encoding. See the last paragraph of section 9.10.3 in RFC 7950: > > > > The string value of a node of type "identityref" in a "must" or > > "when" XPath expression is the referred identity's qualified name > > with the prefix present. If the referred identity is defined in an > > imported module, the prefix in the string value is the prefix defined > > in the corresponding "import" statement. Otherwise, the prefix in > > the string value is the prefix for the current module. > > This is weird, to say the least. The leafref instance may have an identity Sorry, I meant "identityref" here --------^ Lada > value > that is defined in a module that (has to be implemented by the server but) > needn't be imported in the module that contains the XPath expression. So I > don't > know what 'corresponding "import" statement' this paragraph is talking about. > > Also, potentially there can be a collision in prefixes and then this also > breaks > down. > > A moral of the namespace/prefix story in XML was that relying of namespace > prefixes having a particular value is a really bad idea. I know that the cited > paragraph was intended to make such XPath string comparisons more > deterministic, > but it is also problematic and should be avoided if possible. > > Lada > > > > > So the equality test of the identityref is correct. > > > > However, I agree that in most cases 'derived-from-or-self' should be > > used, in order to handle derived identities. > > > > > > /martin -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Tue Jan 9 07:24:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A2D12895E; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:24:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from 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Evolution 3.26.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-yang-09 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:08:29 -0000 On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 16:23 +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 09:06 +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > > > Hi Acee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please see inline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 19:28 +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lada, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apologies for the delay. We somewhat got hung up on 4 and 6. See > inline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/6/17, 6:26 AM, "Ladislav Lhotka" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reviewer: Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > > > Review result: Ready with Issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Maybe the draft could mention that implementations should supply > a > > > > > > > > > > > default routing domain as a system-controlled resource. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn’t this more of an RFC8022BIS statement? I guess we could state > this as > > > > > > > > > > an assumption. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably, but it is not a YANG issue, so I'd leave it to you routing > folks > > > > to > > > > > > > > > decide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. In "when" expressions, the module uses literal strings for > > > > > > > > > > > identities. This is known to be problematic, the XPath functions > > > > > > > > > > > derived-from() or derived-from-or-self() should be used instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is this problematic? Is it because the types can be extended? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's one reason: derived identities should often also satisfy the > > > > constraint. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the more serious problem is that things like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when "../../../../../../../rt:type = 'ospf:ospfv3'" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rely on plain string comparison that depends od the actual prefix used > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > > "rt:type" value. For one, according to RFC 7951 the JSON encoding of > this > > > > value > > > > > > > > > would be "ietf-ospf:ospfv3" so the above expression is always false. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not correct; the when expression is not evaluated on the JSON > > > > encoding. See the last paragraph of section 9.10.3 in RFC 7950: > > > > > > > > The string value of a node of type "identityref" in a "must" or > > > > "when" XPath expression is the referred identity's qualified name > > > > with the prefix present. If the referred identity is defined in an > > > > imported module, the prefix in the string value is the prefix defined > > > > in the corresponding "import" statement. Otherwise, the prefix in > > > > the string value is the prefix for the current module. > > > > > > This is weird, to say the least. The leafref instance may have an identity > value > > > that is defined in a module that (has to be implemented by the server but) > > > needn't be imported in the module that contains the XPath expression. So I > don't > > > know what 'corresponding "import" statement' this paragraph is talking > about. > > > It has to import the module in order to give a prefix, which then can > be used in the XPath expression. In the XPath expression above, do you mean the "rt" prefix of "rt:type"? If so, it is irrelevant for the string comparison, what's important is the *value* of the "rt:type" instance, which can be an identity defined in a module that needn't be imported by ietf-routing, ietf-ospf or whatever. Sec. 9.10.2: On a particular server, the valid values are further restricted to the set of identities defined in the modules implemented by the server. > > > Also, potentially there can be a collision in prefixes and then this also > breaks > > > down. > > > No, two modules cannot be imported with the same prefix. I have to disagree. An identity derived from the "ietf-routing:control-protocol- type" base identity can be defined in a module that is not imported anywhere. If a server declares such a module as implemented, then "rt:type" may have this value per sec. 9.10.2. And, consequently, there may be two different modules with conflicting prefixes defining identities that are derived from "ietf-routing:control-protocol-type". > > > A moral of the namespace/prefix story in XML was that relying of namespace > > > prefixes having a particular value is a really bad idea. I know that the > cited > > > paragraph was intended to make such XPath string comparisons more > deterministic, > > > but it is also problematic and should be avoided if possible. > > > Note that this prefix is under the control of the module designer > writing the XPath expression. The same identityref value might use a No, it is not. The prefixes appear in instance data. Lada > different prefix in some other module. > > > /martin > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > So the equality test of the identityref is correct. > > > > > > > > However, I agree that in most cases 'derived-from-or-self' should be > > > > used, in order to handle derived identities. > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > -- > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Tue Jan 9 18:21:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EF012706D for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 18:21:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, 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Sarkar Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 14:55:46 +0530 Message-ID: To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Cc: Bruno Decraene , Shraddha Hegde , "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , Joel Halpern , "gen-art@ietf.org" , "ospf@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045d996ea3619405627cbb82" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:25:52 -0000 --f403045d996ea3619405627cbb82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Acee, LOL.. Might as well be 'link-on-break'.. :) Anyways graceful-link-shutdown seems to be the most agreed upon. Thanks and regards, -Pushpasis On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:29 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Pushpasis, Shraddha, et al, > > From: Pushpasis Sarkar > Date: Monday, January 8, 2018 at 12:22 PM > To: Bruno Decraene > Cc: Shraddha Hegde , Acee Lindem , > "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "Ketan Talaulikar > (ketant)" , "Joel M. Halpern" , " > gen-art@ietf.org" , OSPF WG List , " > ietf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-link- > overload.all@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 > Resent-From: > Resent-To: Shraddha Hegde , Pushpasis Sarkar < > pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>, Hannes Gredler , < > mnanduri@ebay.com>, Luay Jalil , Acee Lindem < > acee@cisco.com>, , Alvaro Retana , > Deborah Brungard , Alia Atlas , Acee > Lindem > Resent-Date: Monday, January 8, 2018 at 12:22 PM > > Hi Joel et al, > > +1 for 'graceful-link-shutdown'. > > > I think we are converging on this. I must admit that it is much better > than =E2=80=9Clink-overload=E2=80=9D. Although Les raises a good point th= at this behavior > could be used for other use cases, subsequent discussions have indicated > that these could be handled differently. > > > Another possibility may be 'link-decommission'.. > > > This implies too much permanence. If you decommission something, you are > more or less retiring It which is not this use case. This is more of givi= ng > the link a rest. Maybe we could use the there term =E2=80=9CLink on Leave= =E2=80=9D or LOL > state ;^). > > Thanks, > Acee > > > Thanks and regards > -Pushpasis > > On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:09 PM, wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Shraddha Hegde >> >> How about =E2=80=9Cgraceful-link-shutdown=E2=80=9D ? >> >> >> >> Looks good to me. >> >> Also, FYI, for BGP sessions, in the GROW WG we used the term =E2=80=9CGr= aceful BGP session shutdown=E2=80=9D and named the BGP community =E2=80=9CG= RACEFUL_SHUTDOWN=E2=80=9D so this would align on the terminology. >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-13 >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> --Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> Rgds >> >> Shraddha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com ] >> *Sent:* Friday, January 5, 2018 6:50 PM >> *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Ketan Talaulikar >> (ketant) ; Joel Halpern ; >> gen-art@ietf.org >> *Cc:* ospf@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload. >> all@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload- >> 11 >> >> >> >> It is not in =E2=80=9Cmaintenance" mode yet as it is still being used. H= owever, >> it is better than =E2=80=9Coverload=E2=80=9D. =E2=80=9Cpending-maintenan= ce=E2=80=9D is a bit long which is >> why I suggested =E2=80=9Cpending-shutdown=E2=80=9D since =E2=80=9Cshutdo= wn=E2=80=9D is term that vendors >> have used for eons to described an interface that is not in service. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Acee >> >> >> >> *From: *"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" >> *Date: *Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:56 PM >> *To: *"Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , Acee Lindem < >> acee@cisco.com>, "Joel M. Halpern" , " >> gen-art@ietf.org" >> *Cc: *OSPF WG List , "ietf@ietf.org" , " >> draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" < >> draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org> >> *Subject: *RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload- >> 11 >> >> >> >> Ketan =E2=80=93 >> >> >> >> =E2=80=9Cmaintenance=E2=80=9D I could live with. >> >> >> >> =E2=80=9CGIR=E2=80=9D seems to not be generic enough. >> >> >> >> Les >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 04, 2018 8:09 PM >> *To:* Acee Lindem (acee) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) < >> ginsberg@cisco.com>; Joel Halpern ; gen-art@ietf.or= g >> *Cc:* ospf@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload. >> all@ietf.org >> *Subject:* RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload- >> 11 >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> May I suggest something more generic like =E2=80=9CMaintenance Mode=E2= =80=9D or =E2=80=9CGraceful >> Insertion/Removal (GIR) Mode=E2=80=9D which could be defined so as to co= ver the >> multiple scenarios in question (e.g. pending shutdown, down for repairs, >> last resort due to poor link quality, etc.). >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ketan >> >> >> >> *From:* OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org ] *On >> Behalf Of *Acee Lindem (acee) >> *Sent:* 05 January 2018 08:14 >> *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Joel Halpern < >> jmh@joelhalpern.com>; gen-art@ietf.org >> *Cc:* ospf@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload. >> all@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Re: [OSPF] Genart last call review of >> draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 >> >> >> >> Hi Les, >> >> >> >> *From: *"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" >> *Date: *Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:26 PM >> *To: *Acee Lindem , "Joel M. Halpern" < >> jmh@joelhalpern.com>, "gen-art@ietf.org" >> *Cc: *OSPF WG List , "ietf@ietf.org" , " >> draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" < >> draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org> >> *Subject: *RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload- >> 11 >> >> >> >> > >Minor issues: >> >> > > I understand the WG likes using the term "overload" for a link >> >> > >being taken >> >> > > out of service. I think people will learn what we mean. I do wi= sh >> >> > >we had >> >> > > not chosen to misuse the words in this fashion. This is much mor= e >> a >> >> > > graceful-link-close indication (or clsoe-pending indication) than >> >> > >it is an >> >> > > overload indication. >> >> > >> >> > I agree with this comment but I wasn=E2=80=99t sure we=E2=80=99d reach= consensus on a >> >> > better alternative. However, after some though and consideration of >> current >> >> > OSPF router terminology, I=E2=80=99d propose we use the term =E2=80=9C= Pending-Shutdown=E2=80=9D. >> >> > Does anyone not agree that this is a more appropriate moniker for the >> TLV >> >> > and state? >> >> > >> >> [Les:] I agree with Joel's comment. The use of the term "overload" is >> unfortunate. >> >> But "pending-shutdown" isn=E2=80=99t appealing to me because - at least = in most >> use cases - you aren't actually going to shutdown the link. What you are >> going to do is make a link the "link of last resort". >> >> This seems a better choice. >> >> >> >> That is not the use case - you are going to take the link down. It is no= t >> going to be the "link of last resort=E2=80=9D, it is the currently the = =E2=80=9Clink of >> last resort=E2=80=9D and will imminently be taken down. >> >> >> >> >> >> The suggestion from Shraddha that this term was borrowed from IS-IS isn'= t >> accurate. "overload" in IS-IS has a very different meaning - it indicate= s a >> node either has an incomplete LSDB or (a la RFC 3277 >> >> )an incomplete forwarding plane. >> >> >> >> The only use of "link overload" in IS-IS occurs in >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-07#section-3.= 6 >> >> and this was added recently to support the (very useful) TE use case whi= ch >> was defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr >> aft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 >> >> . When this was done the term "link-overload" was cut and pasted from th= e >> OSPF draft. I think this should also be changed in the IS-IS draft. >> >> >> >> Agreed. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Acee >> >> >> >> Les >> >> >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > Acee >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > OSPF mailing list >> >> > OSPF@ietf.org >> >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________= _________________________________________________ >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confi= dentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez r= ecu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler >> a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages= electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, >> Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme = ou falsifie. 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Hi Acee,

LOL.. Might as well be 'li= nk-on-break'.. :)

Anyways graceful-link-shutdo= wn seems to be the most agreed upon.=C2=A0

Thanks = and regards,
-Pushpasis


On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:29 PM, = Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi Pushpasis, Shraddha, et al,=C2=A0

From: Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail= .com>
Date: Monday, January 8, 2018 at 12= :22 PM
To: Bruno Decraene <bruno.decraene@orange.co= m>
Cc: Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net>,= Acee Lindem <acee@c= isco.com>, "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>, "Joel M. Halpern"= <jmh@joelhalpe= rn.com>, "gen-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org>, OSPF WG List <ospf@i= etf.org>, "i= etf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all= @ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Genart last call revie= w of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org= >
Resent-To: Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net>, Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>, Hannes Gredler <hannes@gredler.at>, <mnanduri@ebay.c= om>, Luay Jalil <luay.jalil@verizon.com>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>, <akr@cisco.com>, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>, Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com&= gt;, Acee Lindem <ac= ee@cisco.com>
Resent-Date: Monday, January 8, 201= 8 at 12:22 PM

Hi Joel et al,

+1 for 'graceful-link-shutdown'.

I think we are converging on this. I must admit that it is much better= than =E2=80=9Clink-overload=E2=80=9D. Although Les raises a good point tha= t this behavior could be used for other use cases, subsequent discussions h= ave indicated that these could be handled differently.=C2=A0


Another possibility may be 'link-decommission'..=C2=A0

This implies too much permanence. If you decommission something= , you are more or less retiring It which is not this use case. This is more= of giving the link a rest. Maybe we could use the there term =E2=80=9CLink= on Leave=E2=80=9D or LOL state ;^). =C2=A0

Thanks,
Acee


Thanks and regards
-Pushpasis

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:09 PM, <bruno.= decraene@orange.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Shraddha Hegde

How abo= ut =E2=80=9Cgraceful-link-shutdown=E2=80=9D ?

= =C2=A0

Looks good to me. 

Also, FYI, for BGP sessions, in the GROW WG we used the term =E2=80=9CGra=
ceful BGP session shutdown=E2=80=9D and named the BGP community =E2=80=9CGRACEFUL_SHUTDOWN=E2=80=9D so this would alig=
n on the terminology.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/= draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-13

=C2=A0

Best regards,

--Bruno

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Rgds=

Shraddh= a

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0

From: Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com]
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:50 PM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &= lt;ketant@cisco.com>; Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com>; gen-art@ietf.org<= br> Cc: ospf@ietf.org= ; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d-11

=C2=A0

It is not in =E2=80=9Cmaintenance" mode yet as it is still bei= ng used. However, it is better than =E2=80=9Coverload=E2=80=9D. =E2=80=9Cpe= nding-maintenance=E2=80=9D is a bit long which is why I suggested =E2=80=9C= pending-shutdown=E2=80=9D since =E2=80=9Cshutdown=E2=80=9D is term that vendors have used for eons t= o described an interface that is not in service.

Thanks,

Acee=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: = "Les Ginsberg (g= insberg)" <= ginsberg@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:56 PM
To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>, Acee Lindem <<= a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com>, = "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, "gen-art@ietf.o= rg" <gen-= art@ietf.org>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d-11

=C2=A0

Ketan = =E2=80=93

=C2=A0<= /span>

=E2=80= =9Cmaintenance=E2=80=9D I could live with.

=C2=A0<= /span>

=E2=80= =9CGIR=E2=80=9D seems to not be generic enough.

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Les<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

From:<= /span> Ketan Talaulikar (ket= ant)
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 8:09 PM
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Jo= el Halpern <jmh= @joelhalpern.com>; gen-art@ietf.org<= br> Cc: ospf@ietf.org= ; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d-11

=C2=A0=

Hello,<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

May I s= uggest something more generic like =E2=80=9CMaintenance Mode=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9CGraceful Insertion/Removal (GIR) Mode=E2=80=9D which could be defi= ned so as to cover the multiple scenarios in question (e.g. pending shutdow= n, down for repairs, last resort due to poor link quality, etc.).

=C2=A0<= /span>

Thanks,=

Ketan

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0

Hi Les,=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

From: = "Les Ginsberg (g= insberg)" <= ginsberg@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:26 PM
To: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>, "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, &quo= t;gen-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org= >
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d-11

=C2=A0<= /u>

> >Minor issues:

> >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I understa= nd the WG likes using the term "overload" for a link

> >being taken

> >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 out of ser= vice.=C2=A0 I think people will learn what we mean.=C2=A0 I do wish<= u>

> >we had

> >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 not chosen= to misuse the words in this fashion.=C2=A0 This is much more a

> >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 graceful-l= ink-close indication (or clsoe-pending indication) than

> >it is an=

> >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 overload i= ndication.

>

> I agree with this comment but I w= asn=E2=80=99t sure we=E2=80=99d reach consensus on a

> better alternative. However, afte= r some though and consideration of current

> OSPF router terminology, I=E2=80= =99d propose we use the term =E2=80=9CPending-Shutdown=E2=80=9D.<= /u>

> Does anyone not agree that this i= s a more appropriate moniker for the TLV

> and state?

>=C2=A0

[Les:] I agree with Joel's comment= . The use of the term "overload" is unfortunate.

But "pending-shutdown" isn= =E2=80=99t appealing to me because - at least in most use cases - you aren&= #39;t actually going to shutdown the link. What you are going to do is make= a link the "link of last resort".

This seems a better choice.<= /u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

That is not the use case - you are going to take the link down. It = is not going to be the "link of last resort=E2=80=9D, it is the curren= tly the =E2=80=9Clink of last resort=E2=80=9D and will imminently be taken down.=C2=A0=

=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0

The suggestion from Shraddha that this= term was borrowed from IS-IS isn't accurate. "overload" in I= S-IS has a very different meaning - it indicates a node either has an incom= plete LSDB or (a la RFC 3277 )an incomplete forwarding plane.

=C2=A0

The only use of "link overload&qu= ot; in IS-IS occurs in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-07#sec= tion-3.6 and this was added recently to support the (very useful) TE us= e case which was defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 . Whe= n this was done the term "link-overload" was cut and pasted from = the OSPF draft. I think this should also be changed in the IS-IS draft.<= /u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

Agreed.=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

Thanks,=

Acee=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les<= /p>

=C2=A0

> Thanks,

> Acee

> >

> >

> >

>

> _______________________________________________

> OSPF mailing list

> OSPF@ietf.org=

> https://www.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/ospf

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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3598509292_1071848891 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable +1 on GLS, GS has well defined semantics, (L)ink describes the context=20 =20 Cheers, Jeff =20 From: OSPF on behalf of Pushpasis Sarkar Date: Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 01:25 To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , "ospf@ietf.org" , "gen-= art@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.or= g" Subject: Re: [OSPF] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d-11 =20 Hi Acee, =20 LOL.. Might as well be 'link-on-break'.. :) =20 Anyways graceful-link-shutdown seems to be the most agreed upon.=20 =20 Thanks and regards, -Pushpasis =20 =20 On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:29 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: Hi Pushpasis, Shraddha, et al,=20 =20 From: Pushpasis Sarkar Date: Monday, January 8, 2018 at 12:22 PM To: Bruno Decraene Cc: Shraddha Hegde , Acee Lindem , "L= es Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , "Joel M. Halpern" , "gen-art@ietf.org= " , OSPF WG List , "ietf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" Subject: Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 Resent-From: Resent-To: Shraddha Hegde , Pushpasis Sarkar , Hannes Gredler , ,= Luay Jalil , Acee Lindem , , Alvaro Retana , Deborah Brungard , Alia Atlas , Acee Lindem Resent-Date: Monday, January 8, 2018 at 12:22 PM =20 Hi Joel et al,=20 =20 +1 for 'graceful-link-shutdown'. =20 I think we are converging on this. I must admit that it is much better than= =E2=80=9Clink-overload=E2=80=9D. Although Les raises a good point that this behavior co= uld be used for other use cases, subsequent discussions have indicated that = these could be handled differently.=20 =20 =20 Another possibility may be 'link-decommission'..=20 =20 This implies too much permanence. If you decommission something, you are mo= re or less retiring It which is not this use case. This is more of giving th= e link a rest. Maybe we could use the there term =E2=80=9CLink on Leave=E2=80=9D or LOL = state ;^). =20 =20 Thanks, Acee =20 =20 Thanks and regards -Pushpasis =20 On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:09 PM, wrote: =20 =20 From: Shraddha Hegde How about =E2=80=9Cgraceful-link-shutdown=E2=80=9D ? =20 Looks good to me. Also, FYI, for BGP sessions, in the GROW WG we used the term =E2=80=9CGraceful BG= P session shutdown=E2=80=9D and named the BGP community =E2=80=9CGRACEFUL_SHUTDOWN=E2=80=9D so= this would align on the terminology. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-13 =20 Best regards, --Bruno =20 =20 Rgds Shraddha =20 =20 =20 From: Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:50 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)= ; Joel Halpern ; gen-art@ietf.org Cc: ospf@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.or= g Subject: Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 =20 It is not in =E2=80=9Cmaintenance" mode yet as it is still being used. However, i= t is better than =E2=80=9Coverload=E2=80=9D. =E2=80=9Cpending-maintenance=E2=80=9D is a bit long whi= ch is why I suggested =E2=80=9Cpending-shutdown=E2=80=9D since =E2=80=9Cshutdown=E2=80=9D is term th= at vendors have used for eons to described an interface that is not in servi= ce. Thanks, Acee=20 =20 From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:56 PM To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , Acee Lindem , "Joel M. Halpern" , "gen-art@ietf.org" Cc: OSPF WG List , "ietf@ietf.org" , "draft-i= etf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 =20 Ketan =E2=80=93 =20 =E2=80=9Cmaintenance=E2=80=9D I could live with. =20 =E2=80=9CGIR=E2=80=9D seems to not be generic enough. =20 Les =20 =20 From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)=20 Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 8:09 PM To: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Joel Halpern ; gen-art@ietf.org Cc: ospf@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.or= g Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 =20 Hello, =20 May I suggest something more generic like =E2=80=9CMaintenance Mode=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CGrac= eful Insertion/Removal (GIR) Mode=E2=80=9D which could be defined so as to cover t= he multiple scenarios in question (e.g. pending shutdown, down for repairs, = last resort due to poor link quality, etc.). =20 Thanks, Ketan =20 From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: 05 January 2018 08:14 To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Joel Halpern ; gen-art@ietf.org Cc: ospf@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.or= g Subject: Re: [OSPF] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d-11 =20 Hi Les,=20 =20 From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:26 PM To: Acee Lindem , "Joel M. Halpern" , = "gen-art@ietf.org" Cc: OSPF WG List , "ietf@ietf.org" , "draft-i= etf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 =20 > >Minor issues: > > I understand the WG likes using the term "overload" for a link > >being taken > > out of service. I think people will learn what we mean. I do wish > >we had > > not chosen to misuse the words in this fashion. This is much more a > > graceful-link-close indication (or clsoe-pending indication) than > >it is an > > overload indication. >=20 > I agree with this comment but I wasn=E2=80=99t sure we=E2=80=99d reach consensus on a > better alternative. However, after some though and consideration of curre= nt > OSPF router terminology, I=E2=80=99d propose we use the term =E2=80=9CPending-Shutdow= n=E2=80=9D. > Does anyone not agree that this is a more appropriate moniker for the TLV > and state? >=20 [Les:] I agree with Joel's comment. The use of the term "overload" is unfor= tunate. But "pending-shutdown" isn=E2=80=99t appealing to me because - at least in most u= se cases - you aren't actually going to shutdown the link. What you are goin= g to do is make a link the "link of last resort".=20 This seems a better choice. =20 That is not the use case - you are going to take the link down. It is not g= oing to be the "link of last resort=E2=80=9D, it is the currently the =E2=80=9Clink of l= ast resort=E2=80=9D and will imminently be taken down.=20 =20 =20 The suggestion from Shraddha that this term was borrowed from IS-IS isn't a= ccurate. "overload" in IS-IS has a very different meaning - it indicates a n= ode either has an incomplete LSDB or (a la RFC 3277 )an incomplete forwardin= g plane. =20 The only use of "link overload" in IS-IS occurs in https://tools.ietf.org/h= tml/draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-07#section-3.6 and this was added recentl= y to support the (very useful) TE use case which was defined in https://tool= s.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 . When this was done the te= rm "link-overload" was cut and pasted from the OSPF draft. I think this shou= ld also be changed in the IS-IS draft. =20 Agreed.=20 =20 Thanks, Acee=20 =20 Les =20 > Thanks, > Acee > > > > > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ =20 Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. 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+1 on GLS, GS has well defined seman= tics, (L)ink describes the context

&n= bsp;

Cheers,=

Jeff

 

From: OSPF <ospf-bounces@ietf.org> on b= ehalf of Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: T= hursday, January 11, 2018 at 01:25
To: "Acee Lindem (acee)&qu= ot; <acee@cisco.com>
Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@= ietf.org>, "ospf@ietf.org" <ospf@ietf.org>, "gen-art= @ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overloa= d.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org>
<= b>Subject: Re: [OSPF] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-ov= erload-11

 

Hi Acee,

 

LOL.. Might as wel= l be 'link-on-break'.. :)

&= nbsp;

Anyways graceful-link-shutdown = seems to be the most agreed upon. 

 

Thanks and regard= s,

-Pushpasis

 

 

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9= :29 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Pushpasis, Shraddha, et al, 

=  

From: Pushpasis Sarkar <pushpasis.ietf@gmail.co= m>
Date: Monday, January 8, 2018 at 12:22 PM
To: = Bruno Decraene <bruno.decraene@orange.com>
Cc: Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net>,= Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.= com>, "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, "Ketan Talauli= kar (ketant)" <ket= ant@cisco.com>, "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, "gen-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org>, OSPF= WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org= >, "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" <draft-i= etf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Genart la= st call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11
Resent-From: &l= t;alias-bounces@ietf= .org>
Resent-To: Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net>, Pushpasis Sarka= r <pushpasis.ie= tf@gmail.com>, Hannes Gredler <hannes@gredler.at>, <mnanduri@ebay.com>, Luay Jalil <luay.jalil@verizon.com>, = Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.c= om>, <akr@cisco.com= >, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>, Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>, Ac= ee Lindem <acee@cisco.com= >
Resent-Date: Monday, January 8, 2018 at 12:22 PM

 

Hi Joel et al,

 

+1 for 'graceful-li= nk-shutdown'.

 

I think we are converging on this. I must admit that it is much = better than =E2=80=9Clink-overload=E2=80=9D. Although Les raises a good point that this = behavior could be used for other use cases, subsequent discussions have indi= cated that these could be handled differently. 

=  

 

Another possibility may be 'link-decommission'.. 

 

<= /div>

This= implies too much permanence. If you decommission something, you are more or= less retiring It which is not this use case. This is more of giving the lin= k a rest. Maybe we could use the there term =E2=80=9CLink on Leave=E2=80=9D or LOL state= ;^).  

 

Thanks,

Acee

 

=  

Thanks a= nd regards

-Pushpasis

&= nbsp;

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:09 PM, <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:

 

 <= /p>

From: Shraddha Hegde=

How about =E2=80=9Cgraceful-li= nk-shutdown=E2=80=9D ?<= /p>

 

Looks good to me.

Also, FYI, for BGP sessions, in the GROW WG we used the term =E2=
=80=9CGraceful BGP session shutdown=E2=80=9D and named the BGP community =E2=80=9CGRACEFUL_SHUTDOWN=E2=80=9D so this would align on the terminology.

https://t= ools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-13

 

Best regards,

--Bruno

 

 <= o:p>

Rgds

Shra= ddha

 

 

 

= From: Acee Li= ndem (acee) [mailto:acee@cis= co.com]
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:50 PM
To: L= es Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; Joel Halpern &l= t;jmh@joelhalpern.com>; gen-art@ietf.org
Cc: ospf@ietf.or= g; ietf@ietf.org; dra= ft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Genart la= st call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'= >It is not in =E2=80=9Cmaintenance"= ; mode yet as it is still being used. However, it is better than =E2=80=9Coverload= =E2=80=9D. =E2=80=9Cpending-maintenance=E2=80=9D is a bit long which is why I suggested =E2=80=9Cpen= ding-shutdown=E2=80=9D since =E2=80=9Cshutdown=E2=80=9D is term that vendors have used for eon= s to described an interface that is not in service.

Thanks,

Acee&nbs= p;

=

 

From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg= )" <ginsberg@cis= co.com>
Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:56 PM
T= o: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>, "Joel M. H= alpern" <jmh@jo= elhalpern.com>, "gen-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-os= pf-link-overload.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.al= l@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-i= etf-ospf-link-overload-11

 

Ketan =E2=80=93

&= nbsp;

=E2=80=9Cmaintenance=E2=80=9D I could live with.

&= nbsp;

=E2=80=9CGIR=E2=80=9D seems to not be generic enough.

 

<= span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>   Les

 

 

=

From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Sent: Thursday, January 04= , 2018 8:09 PM
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <= ginsberg@cisco.com&g= t;; Joel Halpern <jm= h@joelhalpern.com>; gen-art@ietf.org
Cc: ospf@ietf.org; iet= f@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org
Subject= : RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11=

 

Hello,

 

May I suggest something more g= eneric like =E2=80=9CMaintenance Mode=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CGraceful Insertion/Removal (GIR) Mo= de=E2=80=9D which could be defined so as to cover the multiple scenarios in questi= on (e.g. pending shutdown, down for repairs, last resort due to poor link qu= ality, etc.).

=

 

T= hanks,

Ketan

 

= From: OSPF [<= a href=3D"mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mailto:ospf-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: 05 Januar= y 2018 08:14
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Joel Halpern <= jmh@joelhalpern.com= >; gen-art@ietf.org=
Cc: ospf@ietf.org<= /a>; ietf@ietf.org; draft= -ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [OSPF] Gena= rt last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11

 <= /span>

Hi Le= s, 

 <= span lang=3DFR style=3D'color:black'>

From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
Date: Thursd= ay, January 4, 2018 at 9:26 PM
To: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>, "Joel M. Halpe= rn" <jmh@joelha= lpern.com>, "g= en-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ospf-l= ink-overload.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ie= tf.org>
Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-= ospf-link-overload-11

&= nbsp;

> >Minor issue= s:

> >    I understand= the WG likes using the term "overload" for a link

> >being taken

>= >    out of service.  I think people will learn what= we mean.  I do wish

> >we had

> >    not chosen to mi= suse the words in this fashion.  This is much more a

> >    graceful-link-close indication (o= r clsoe-pending indication) than

> >i= t is an=

> >    overloa= d indication.=

>

> I agree with this comment but I wasn=E2=80=99t sure we=E2=80=99d reach co= nsensus on a<= /o:p>

> better alternative. Howev= er, after some though and consideration of current

> OSPF router terminology, I=E2=80=99d propose we use the term =E2=80=9CPendi= ng-Shutdown=E2=80=9D.

> Does anyone not agree = that this is a more appropriate moniker for the TLV

> and state?

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[Les:] I agree with Joel's comment. The use of the= term "overload" is unfortunate.

= But "pending-shutdown" isn=E2=80=99t appealing to me because - at least = in most use cases - you aren't actually going to shutdown the link. What you= are going to do is make a link the "link of last resort". =

This seems a better choice.

 

That is not the use case= - you are going to take the link down. It is not going to be the "link= of last resort=E2=80=9D, it is the currently the =E2=80=9Clink of last resort=E2=80=9D and wi= ll imminently be taken down. <= o:p>

 

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The suggestion from Shraddha that this term= was borrowed from IS-IS isn't accurate. "overload" in IS-IS has a= very different meaning - it indicates a node either has an incomplete LSDB = or (a la RFC 3277 )an incomplete forwarding= plane.=

 

The only use of "link overload" in IS-IS occurs in https://too= ls.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-07#section-3.6 and this = was added recently to support the (very useful) TE use case which was define= d in https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 . When this was done the= term "link-overload" was cut and pasted from the OSPF draft. I th= ink this should also be changed in the IS-IS draft.

 

Agreed. 

 

Thanks,

Acee 

 = =

   Les

 

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Document: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-20 Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review Date: 2018-01-12 IETF LC End Date: 2018-01-11 IESG Telechat date: 2018-01-25 Summary: This document is ready for publication as a Proposed Standard RFC Major issues: N/A Minor issues: N/A Nits/editorial comments: N/A From nobody Tue Jan 16 03:31:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEC5131454 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 03:31:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rx-9E2BZdkSF for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 03:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A020113144B for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 03:31:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=18756; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1516102267; x=1517311867; h=subject:references:to:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to; bh=ShVMekZU6ddO1rGjqa7imA2DGLvU+Kq4ZKMSUckWPtc=; b=Gz8gB/9u9LleouCGYmv2sMqWJPuCMf41YjLoX4Gt51r9ttFDTMLoO2WW AJEmIh4Z8c7qpLmLi0gfPQzZTjuMxRWPWtg/ABWd2kdZ6iVMYsGpcJTaU In+v+TdJ5rik7I55CL5ALhVLkVAZKPO/b7Ci82pyImWG78y5dIU/B6Dv0 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DFAwAB4l1a/xbLJq1DGhwBAQEEAQEKA?= =?us-ascii?q?QGEJ3QnhBOLGI9ukVuFZYICCiaFFQIahQIUAQEBAQEBAQEBayiFIwEDAyNmCRM?= =?us-ascii?q?DAQIrAgICSwIIBgEMBgIBARaKGRA0h3CdcIInJokjAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBGAWIKIFpKYMFgy8CAQEBAYE1TwmCd4JlBZlyiXKIDI0/ghmGHYNvh2u?= =?us-ascii?q?NPoFeiAmBPDYigVAyGggbFYJnhFhANwGNQwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.46,368,1511827200"; d="scan'208,217";a="1431662" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 16 Jan 2018 11:30:55 +0000 Received: from [10.55.221.36] (ams-bclaise-nitro3.cisco.com [10.55.221.36]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w0GBUs3h015116; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 11:30:55 GMT References: <2a8653ac-eee8-3ced-4644-23c04cf87a51@cisco.com> To: "ospf@ietf.org" , isis@ietf.org From: Benoit Claise X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <2a8653ac-eee8-3ced-4644-23c04cf87a51@cisco.com> Message-ID: <2a1609c9-e31c-eed6-c292-0ea205d547f5@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:30:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2a8653ac-eee8-3ced-4644-23c04cf87a51@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------34B5E603947FE2D3A15175AD" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Fwd: YANG modules publication: what to focus on next? X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 11:31:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------34B5E603947FE2D3A15175AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all, So that you know that draft-ietf-ospf-yang and draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg are bottlenecks to publish many YANG modules. Please progress them asap. Regards, Benoit -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: YANG modules publication: what to focus on next? Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:27:01 +0100 From: Benoit Claise To: NETMOD Working Group Dear all, At the last IETF meeting, Alia, Deborah and I looked at the publication status of most YANG modules. Since that time, I've been keeping a summary of the situation. Let me share it with everybody. Before publishing YANG modules, we have two series of bottlenecks: - the YANG module import (shown by tooling below) - the normative references (MISSREF in the RFC editor queue )   Note that draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores, a normative reference for many YANG modules,   was just approved. Good news! We now have many YANG modules in RFC editor queue: ***draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-18 ** ****draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-13 ** ****draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-16 ** ****draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-20 ** ****draft-wu-l3sm-rfc8049bis-11 **** **draft-ietf-netconf-rfc6536bis-09 *draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis-03 draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7277bis-03 draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-09 draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-08 draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-10 Here are the YANG module dependencies for these RFC editor modules, as requirement before publishing. Some more YANG modules are on the IESG table:     draft-ietf-pim-yang has a DISCUSS (Jan 11th IESG telechat)     draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis is on the Jan 25th IESG telechat     draft-ietf-netmod-entity is on the Jan 25th IESG telechat Assuming those are in the RFC editor queue, this is the new set of YANG module dependencies . It takes a little bit of re-arrangering the elements, but all the information is there. The next bottlenecks for publishing those YANG modules are:     draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount     draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model     ietf-bfd-yang     draft-ietf-ospf-yang     draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg Please progress those documents asap Some more updates below. _NI, LNE, and schema mount, RFC7895bis, schema mount:_     draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model         Status: Publication requested, Alia's AD review     draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model         Status: Publication requested, Alia's AD review     draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount:         Status:  WG LC closed, not sure on the next steps ...     draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis         Status not clear... _LIME:_ draft-ietf-lime-yang-connection-oriented-oam-model-00         Status: Benoit to perform the AD review. 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Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A36112EB4B; Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:21:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151617008434.15608.2420705471798009645@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:21:24 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 06:21:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. Title : OSPF Graceful Link shutdown Authors : Shraddha Hegde Pushpasis Sarkar Hannes Gredler Mohan Nanduri Luay Jalil Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-01-16 Abstract: When a link is being prepared to be taken out of service, the traffic needs to be diverted from both ends of the link. Increasing the metric to the highest value on one side of the link is not sufficient to divert the traffic flowing in the other direction. It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to be able to advertise a link as being in a graceful-shutdown state to indicate impending maintenance activity on the link. This information can be used by the network devices to re-route the traffic effectively. This document describes the protocol extensions to disseminate graceful-link-shutdown information in OSPFv2 and OSPFv3. 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X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 17:21:33 -0000 Acee Looking at draft-ietf-ospf-yang, I see that it Normatively references [RFC6020] (but not RFC7950), the soon-to-be-obsoleted [RFC7223] and [RFC8022] while revised-datastores is only a Informative reference. Do you plan on changing any of this?. I note that the import statements do not specify a revision date. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benoit Claise" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 11:30 AM > Dear all, > > So that you know that draft-ietf-ospf-yang and > draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg are bottlenecks to publish many YANG > modules. Please progress them asap. > > Regards, Benoit > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: YANG modules publication: what to focus on next? > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:27:01 +0100 > From: Benoit Claise > To: NETMOD Working Group > > > > Dear all, > > At the last IETF meeting, Alia, Deborah and I looked at the publication > status of most YANG modules. > Since that time, I've been keeping a summary of the situation. Let me > share it with everybody. > > Before publishing YANG modules, we have two series of bottlenecks: > - the YANG module import (shown by tooling below) > - the normative references (MISSREF in the RFC editor queue > ) > Note that draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores, a normative reference > for many YANG modules, > was just approved. Good news! > > We now have many YANG modules in RFC editor queue: > ***draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-18 > ** > ****draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-13 > ** > ****draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-16 > ** > ****draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-20 > ** > ****draft-wu-l3sm-rfc8049bis-11 > **** > **draft-ietf-netconf-rfc6536bis-09 > > *draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis-03 > > draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7277bis-03 > > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-09 > > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-08 > > draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-10 > > > Here are the YANG module dependencies > > for these RFC editor modules, as requirement before publishing. > > Some more YANG modules are on the IESG table: > draft-ietf-pim-yang has a DISCUSS (Jan 11th IESG telechat) > draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis is on the Jan 25th IESG telechat > draft-ietf-netmod-entity is on the Jan 25th IESG telechat > > Assuming those are in the RFC editor queue, this is the new set of YANG > module dependencies > . > It takes a little bit of re-arrangering the elements, but all the > information is there. > > The next bottlenecks for publishing those YANG modules are: > draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount > draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model > ietf-bfd-yang > draft-ietf-ospf-yang > draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg > Please progress those documents asap > > Some more updates below. > > _NI, LNE, and schema mount, RFC7895bis, schema mount:_ > draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model > Status: Publication requested, Alia's AD review > draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model > Status: Publication requested, Alia's AD review > draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount: > Status: WG LC closed, not sure on the next steps ... > draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis > Status not clear... > > _LIME:_ > draft-ietf-lime-yang-connection-oriented-oam-model-00 > Status: Benoit to perform the AD review. > > Regards, Benoit > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > From nobody Wed Jan 17 09:48:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D085112E034 for ; 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X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 17:48:05 -0000 Benoit I just got a bounce telling me that the mailing list of the second of the WG you sent this to, the one whose name causes my e-mails to be blackholed, does not exist - I think that there should be a -wg at the end. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benoit Claise" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 11:30 AM Subject: [OSPF] Fwd: YANG modules publication: what to focus on next? > Dear all, > > So that you know that draft-ietf-ospf-yang and > draft-ietf-isis-yang-****-cfg are bottlenecks to publish many YANG > modules. Please progress them asap. > > Regards, Benoit > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: YANG modules publication: what to focus on next? > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:27:01 +0100 > From: Benoit Claise > To: NETMOD Working Group > > > Dear all, > > At the last IETF meeting, Alia, Deborah and I looked at the publication > status of most YANG modules. > Since that time, I've been keeping a summary of the situation. Let me > share it with everybody. > > Before publishing YANG modules, we have two series of bottlenecks: > - the YANG module import (shown by tooling below) > - the normative references (MISSREF in the RFC editor queue > ) > Note that draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores, a normative reference > for many YANG modules, > was just approved. Good news! > > We now have many YANG modules in RFC editor queue: > ***draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-18 > ** > ****draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-methods-13 > ** > ****draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-16 > ** > ****draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-20 > ** > ****draft-wu-l3sm-rfc8049bis-11 > **** > **draft-ietf-netconf-rfc6536bis-09 > > *draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis-03 > > draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7277bis-03 > > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-vrrp-09 > > draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-rip-08 > > draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-10 > > > Here are the YANG module dependencies > > for these RFC editor modules, as requirement before publishing. > > Some more YANG modules are on the IESG table: > draft-ietf-pim-yang has a DISCUSS (Jan 11th IESG telechat) > draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8022bis is on the Jan 25th IESG telechat > draft-ietf-netmod-entity is on the Jan 25th IESG telechat > > Assuming those are in the RFC editor queue, this is the new set of YANG > module dependencies > . > It takes a little bit of re-arrangering the elements, but all the > information is there. > > The next bottlenecks for publishing those YANG modules are: > draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount > draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model > ietf-bfd-yang > draft-ietf-ospf-yang > draft-ietf- > Please progress those documents asap > > Some more updates below. > > _NI, LNE, and schema mount, RFC7895bis, schema mount:_ > draft-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model > Status: Publication requested, Alia's AD review > draft-ietf-rtgwg-ni-model > Status: Publication requested, Alia's AD review > draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount: > Status: WG LC closed, not sure on the next steps ... > draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis > Status not clear... > > _LIME:_ > draft-ietf-lime-yang-connection-oriented-oam-model-00 > Status: Benoit to perform the AD review. > > Regards, Benoit > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > From nobody Wed Jan 17 09:58:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A5512E04A for ; 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2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A12612711D; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:41:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Rescorla To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, acee@cisco.com, ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151629366736.20596.6495227203632608509.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:41:07 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:41:07 -0000 Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think this document would be clearer if the example in S 7.1 were in the intro. I was scratching my head a bit at the beginning and then got to 7.1 and it made more sense. 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Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:39:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.123.66 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:38:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <151629366736.20596.6495227203632608509.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Eric Rescorla Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:38:53 -0800 Message-ID: To: Shraddha Hegde Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org" , "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" , "acee@cisco.com" , "ospf@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e0828a13cfb1a5b0563114818" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:39:56 -0000 --089e0828a13cfb1a5b0563114818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Shraddha Hegde wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Introduction section does have a brief description and refers to 7.1 for > detailed description of the use case. Moving detailed use case description > to introduction section will make it cluttered. > Also there are other applications apart from 7.1 which also have a brief > description in the > Introduction and refer to application section for detailed description. > Well, it's a comment, so you're free to ignore it, but as a consume of this document, I found the current structure hard to follow. -Ekr > > Rgds > Shraddha > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Rescorla [mailto:ekr@rtfm.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:11 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; Acee Lindem ; > ospf-chairs@ietf.org; acee@cisco.com; ospf@ietf.org > Subject: Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12: > (with COMMENT) > > Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www. > ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=DwICaQ&c= > HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r= > NyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng&m= > 3MyT2IBHmmEmtejJI2o73p3zIjhzSmGtffDprR-DdD0&s=TufjwL4DRLGVAWd56qU- > 6DaDDRfPsgeHp8JmN2XrdTE&e= > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ > datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dospf-2Dlink- > 2Doverload_&d=DwICaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r= > NyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng&m= > 3MyT2IBHmmEmtejJI2o73p3zIjhzSmGtffDprR-DdD0&s= > avFGB5zEal090OxCbLLU5A1NvjlOJREQPCY-yP7GTDk&e= > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I think this document would be clearer if the example in S 7.1 were in the > intro. I was scratching my head a bit at the beginning and then got to 7.1 > and it made more sense. > > > --089e0828a13cfb1a5b0563114818 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= hu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net= > wrote:
Hi Eric,

Introduction section does have a brief description and refers to 7.1 for de= tailed description of the use case. Moving detailed use case description to= introduction section will make it cluttered.
Also there are other applications apart from 7.1 which al= so have a brief description in the
Introduction and refer to application section for detailed description.
=

Well, it's a comment, so you're fr= ee to ignore it, but as a consume of this document, I found the current str= ucture hard to follow.

-Ekr
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Rgds
Shraddha

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Rescorla [mailto:ekr@rtfm.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:11 PM
To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-os= pf-link-overload@ietf.org; Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>; = ospf-chairs@ietf.org; acee@cisco.com<= /a>; ospf@ietf.org
Subject: Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-= 12: (with COMMENT)

Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email= addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/= v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriter= ia.html&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-n= db3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DNyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrn= g&m=3D3MyT2IBHmmEmtejJI2o73p3zIjhzSmGtffDprR-DdD0&s=3DTufjwL4DRLGVAWd56qU-6DaDDRfPsgeHp8JmN2XrdTE&e=3D
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positi= ons.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2= /url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dospf-2= Dlink-2Doverload_&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBX= eMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DNyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bp= bBaNqzCNrng&m=3D3MyT2IBHmmEmtejJI2o73p3zIjhzSmGtffDprR-DdD0&a= mp;s=3DavFGB5zEal090OxCbLLU5A1NvjlOJREQPCY-yP7GTDk&e=3D



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I think this document would be clearer if the example in S 7.1 were in the = intro. I was scratching my head a bit at the beginning and then got to 7.1 = and it made more sense.



--089e0828a13cfb1a5b0563114818-- From nobody Thu Jan 18 15:14:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC175129C6E; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:14:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joel Halpern To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151631726286.26991.5196470214490897247@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:14:22 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 23:14:23 -0000 Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. 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This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. Title : OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility Authors : Acee Lindem Abhay Roy Dirk Goethals Veerendranatha Reddy Vallem Fred Baker Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-21.txt Pages : 38 Date : 2018-01-19 Abstract: OSPFv3 requires functional extension beyond what can readily be done with the fixed-format Link State Advertisement (LSA) as described in RFC 5340. Without LSA extension, attributes associated with OSPFv3 links and advertised IPv6 prefixes must be advertised in separate LSAs and correlated to the fixed-format LSAs. This document extends the LSA format by encoding the existing OSPFv3 LSA information in Type-Length-Value (TLV) tuples and allowing advertisement of additional information with additional TLVs. Backward compatibility mechanisms are also described. This document updates RFC 5340, "OSPF for IPv6", and RFC 5838, "Support of Address Families in OSPFv3". 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X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227TNfvTMItDssrbXbaQMuMAkolcIN+NqJHzDQfcyNfEtusehZyxdXpz95eDwLb1vy4rfs0mZODAdTzn1eNPRSI= X-Received: by 10.129.163.77 with SMTP id a74mr3410185ywh.504.1516600294600; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 21:51:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.160.201 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 21:50:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <151629366736.20596.6495227203632608509.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Eric Rescorla Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 21:50:54 -0800 Message-ID: To: Shraddha Hegde Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org" , "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" , "acee@cisco.com" , "ospf@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c128a48d3892b05635705ce" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 05:51:39 -0000 --94eb2c128a48d3892b05635705ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, this seems better. -Ekr - On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:48 PM, Shraddha Hegde wrote: > Eric, > > > > I added more text to introduction section . Pls check if it helps improve > readability. > > > > =E2=80=9CMany OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 deployments run on overlay networks provis= ioned > > by means of pseudo-wires or L2-circuits. Prior to devices in the > > underlying network going offline for maintenance, it is useful to > > divert the traffic away from the node before the maintenance is > > actually performed. Since the nodes in the underlying network are > > not visible to OSPF, the existing stub router mechanism described in > > [RFC6987] cannot be used. In a service provider's network, there may > > be many CE-to-CE connections that run over a single PE. It is > > cumbersome to change the metric on every CE-to-CE connection in both > > directions. This document provides a mechanism to change metric in > > other direction of the link and also use the link as a last-resort-lin= k > if > > no alternate paths are available. An application specific to this > > use case is described in detail in Section 7.1.=E2=80=9D > > > > > > > > rgds > > Shraddha > > *From:* Eric Rescorla [mailto:ekr@rtfm.com] > *Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2018 12:09 AM > *To:* Shraddha Hegde > *Cc:* The IESG ; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; > ospf-chairs@ietf.org; acee@cisco.com; ospf@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: Eric Rescorla's No Objection on > draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12: (with COMMENT) > > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Shraddha Hegde > wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > Introduction section does have a brief description and refers to 7.1 for > detailed description of the use case. Moving detailed use case descriptio= n > to introduction section will make it cluttered. > > Also there are other applications apart from 7.1 which also have a brief > description in the > Introduction and refer to application section for detailed description. > > > > Well, it's a comment, so you're free to ignore it, but as a consume of > this document, I found the current structure hard to follow. > > > > -Ekr > > > > > Rgds > Shraddha > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Rescorla [mailto:ekr@rtfm.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:11 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; Acee Lindem ; > ospf-chairs@ietf.org; acee@cisco.com; ospf@ietf.org > Subject: Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12= : > (with COMMENT) > > Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__ww= w. > ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3D > HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3D > NyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng&m=3D > 3MyT2IBHmmEmtejJI2o73p3zIjhzSmGtffDprR-DdD0&s=3DTufjwL4DRLGVAWd56qU- > 6DaDDRfPsgeHp8JmN2XrdTE&e=3D > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__ > datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dospf-2Dlink- > 2Doverload_&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r= =3D > NyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng&m=3D > 3MyT2IBHmmEmtejJI2o73p3zIjhzSmGtffDprR-DdD0&s=3D > avFGB5zEal090OxCbLLU5A1NvjlOJREQPCY-yP7GTDk&e=3D > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I think this document would be clearer if the example in S 7.1 were in th= e > intro. I was scratching my head a bit at the beginning and then got to 7.= 1 > and it made more sense. > > > --94eb2c128a48d3892b05635705ce Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, this seems better.

-Ekr
=

-

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:48 PM, Shraddha Hegde <= span dir=3D"ltr"><shraddha@juniper.net> wrote:

Eric,

=C2=A0

I added more text to introduction sec= tion . Pls check if it helps improve readability.

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CMany OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 deploy= ments run on overlay networks provisioned

=C2=A0=C2=A0 by means of pseudo-wires= or L2-circuits.=C2=A0 Prior to devices in the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 underlying network going= offline for maintenance, it is useful to

=C2=A0=C2=A0 divert the traffic away = from the node before the maintenance is

=C2=A0=C2=A0 actually performed.=C2= =A0 Since the nodes in the underlying network are

=C2=A0=C2=A0 not visible to OSPF, the= existing stub router mechanism described in

=C2=A0=C2=A0 [RFC6987] cannot be used= .=C2=A0 In a service provider's network, there may=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 be many CE-to-CE connect= ions that run over a single PE.=C2=A0 It is

=C2=A0=C2=A0 cumbersome to change the= metric on every CE-to-CE connection in both

=C2=A0=C2=A0 directions.=C2=A0 This d= ocument provides a mechanism to change metric in

=C2=A0=C2=A0 other direction of the l= ink and also use the link as a last-resort-link if

=C2=A0=C2=A0 no alternate paths are a= vailable.=C2=A0 An application specific to this

=C2=A0=C2=A0 use case is described in= detail in Section 7.1.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

rgds

Shraddha

From: Eric Rescorla [mailto:ekr@rtfm.com]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:09 AM
To: Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net>
Cc: The IESG <= iesg@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; ospf-chairs@ietf.or= g; acee@cisco.com; ospf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-lin= k-overload-12: (with COMMENT)

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Shraddha Hegde <= ;shraddha@juniper= .net> wrote:

Hi Eric,

Introduction section does have a brief description and refers to 7.1 for de= tailed description of the use case. Moving detailed use case description to= introduction section will make it cluttered.

Also there are other applications apart from 7.1 whi= ch also have a brief description in the
Introduction and refer to application section for detailed description.<= /u>

=C2=A0

Well, it's a comment, so you're free to igno= re it, but as a consume of this document, I found the current structure har= d to follow.

=C2=A0

-Ekr

=C2=A0


Rgds
Shraddha

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Rescorla [mailto:ekr@rtfm.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:11 PM
To: The IESG <iesg@ie= tf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>; ospf-chairs@ietf.= org; acee@cisco.com; ospf= @ietf.org
Subject: Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-= 12: (with COMMENT)

Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-12: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email= addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.o= rg_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3D= HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DNyjLsr7J= A7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng&m=3D3MyT2IBHmmEmtejJI2o73= p3zIjhzSmGtffDprR-DdD0&s=3DTufjwL4DRLGVAWd56qU-6DaDDRfPs= geHp8JmN2XrdTE&e=3D
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__data= tracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dospf-2Dlink-2Doverload_&d= =3DDwICaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&= ;r=3DNyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng&m=3D3My= T2IBHmmEmtejJI2o73p3zIjhzSmGtffDprR-DdD0&s=3DavFGB5zEal090OxC= bLLU5A1NvjlOJREQPCY-yP7GTDk&e=3D




-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----
COMMENT:
-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----

I think this document would be clearer if the example in S 7.1 were in the = intro. I was scratching my head a bit at the beginning and then got to 7.1 = and it made more sense.

=C2=A0


--94eb2c128a48d3892b05635705ce-- From nobody Sun Jan 21 22:01:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC17124B17; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:01:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151660086194.8064.5060994860316148161@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:01:01 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:01:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. Title : OSPF Graceful Link shutdown Authors : Shraddha Hegde Pushpasis Sarkar Hannes Gredler Mohan Nanduri Luay Jalil Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-01-21 Abstract: When a link is being prepared to be taken out of service, the traffic needs to be diverted from both ends of the link. Increasing the metric to the highest value on one side of the link is not sufficient to divert the traffic flowing in the other direction. It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to be able to advertise a link as being in a graceful-shutdown state to indicate impending maintenance activity on the link. This information can be used by the network devices to re-route the traffic effectively. This document describes the protocol extensions to disseminate graceful-link-shutdown information in OSPFv2 and OSPFv3. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jan 22 06:55:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF277124207; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:55:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tim Chown To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151663290487.7984.12317518080423140763@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 06:55:04 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 14:55:05 -0000 Reviewer: Tim Chown Review result: Ready Hi, I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This document defines mechanism(s) to allow OSPF routers to indicate that a specific link, rather than a whole node, is entering an imminent maintenance state, to allow other devices that understand the protocol extension(s) to more gracefully re-route traffic around the affected link. I believe the document is Ready for publication. I have only three minor comments below, which the authors may choose to act on. Overall the document reads reasonably well. Not being overly familiar with the material, I needed to read it through end-to-end more than once to better understand its scope and intent. My first comment would be that perhaps the introduction section could be better written; the abstract seemed clear on the purpose of the draft, while the introduction felt a little muddled. Sections 2, 3 and 4, which detail the motivations and extensions, were much clearer. Secondly, there are some minor typographic errors throughout the document, generally missing (in)definite articles. While the RFC Editor would pick these up, it would be nice for the authors to have a final pass and fix those before submission. Thirdly, the document does not give any advice on the timing of using the extensions - how far in advance is it recommended to use the extensions? - or on the return to 'normal' state once the maintenance is completed. So perhaps consider adding a short section on this, maybe in Section 5. 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Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, acee@cisco.com, ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151665944189.29596.16522033621970024147.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 14:17:21 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Deborah Brungard's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:17:22 -0000 Deborah Brungard has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I found the title of section 7.2 "Controller Based Traffic Engineering Deployments" confusing as it only is describing a controller controlling a path. It is not "TE" in the IETF sense e.g. TE signaling. It would be much less confusing if say "Controller Based Deployments" and "satisfying the traffic engineering constraints"/s/"satisfying the constraints". Especially as for TE, procedures already do exist. I noted in the introduction you did reference RFC5817 MPLS Graceful Shutdown on the procedures when doing a graceful shutdown of a TE link. From nobody Tue Jan 23 09:01:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D512127137; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:01:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Deborah Brungard To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, acee@cisco.com, ospf@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151672688324.13994.3394246547043297427.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:01:23 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:01:23 -0000 Deborah Brungard has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This document is defining a MAX-TE-METRIC of 0xfffffffe. But RFC5817 defined 0xffffffff to be used for graceful shutdown. I noted an email exchange between the author and Acee on this where Acee raised the question why RFC5817's value was not used. Shraddha replied "We can if we have the Working Group Consensus". There was no further discussion. This document was not shared with teas which is responsible for TE (or ccamp which was originally responsible for RFC5817). Either this value needs to be changed to RFC5817's value or this TE metric needs to be removed from this document until agreement with TEAS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I found the title of section 7.2 "Controller Based Traffic Engineering Deployments" confusing as it only is describing a controller controlling a path. It is not "TE" in the IETF sense e.g. TE signaling. It would be much less confusing if say "Controller Based Deployments" and "satisfying the traffic engineering constraints"/s/"satisfying the constraints". Especially as for TE, procedures already do exist. I noted in the introduction you did reference RFC5817 MPLS Graceful Shutdown on the procedures when doing a graceful shutdown of a TE link. From nobody Tue Jan 23 09:22:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECD9127137; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:22:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GtgUOt5b2zRa; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-x22d.google.com (mail-oi0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26C96127275; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id w135so876958oie.3; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:22:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KTmmgmxKcIyvFT3NBbAkMPSJJDVfESm7IYtUbcoCWdw=; b=ApqI2naGyYPBTgAtsn+OyUVZ3hkIiu+AQ+6PHT63ulC0JAmTNThqfE2GegvtupVZKN ETS5g5HnwcIazuKlCGX5ff7fzUNkopGkjkpY2iZRjDXII+6f8FDjKrMHZMSDdLecNgVb FsUtOniIR+I/MwxUdTQ55DZeooUT1qfW8naLPjsghlvqPGQAX124nVbsDaTln4MWC6Te 8mS7XrOemNnzIDZcrVaS/dyyHk/NvdB2EAIjQ6J3YmxqFTWMyUFZtdZdeKCRkFUR6ifC l8ygQcf/JGEfLM3zlugwaI/uRKTKkL8O+3ktSKfSXO4xUkx77xMslsatZfnbzS0pMsHu SHSA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KTmmgmxKcIyvFT3NBbAkMPSJJDVfESm7IYtUbcoCWdw=; b=AH7k98Tnu+/hBMhFHerrnsVAvHC/dP7iizXPbW97zLJGxnZ6GdQ+1v5vsztVLGWQq/ xPEjBCAkOKUcCqrtVv/H65vF1npTvVgYxaqAr3zboPZUMxqJE8ZxbyHss064pLNqK77x 27cKTigI5hyYDW4dYt2g/u6uVJJcm0MPNKFGE1SzNO4MKJEEEwzvzUmbICyYU1xAk+/B JZ9AHbeTrHzov64xfpVGuL7BObzJczGGObNehwApAzaloZ1wDZuK3MIDSTGTD2WlfMnU /Sgk639sHbqgWtnFn6ohlHOlu3m5P6OOB0Vw3wZtMN+CF+v8XqeTGoMfA3qzffk2W2ya mX9w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytcN30Shwkmc1lLvkNMpQzGb9JAx7DU15m8/Y+zeOGprBdB6MkAX JN9h61brPEzmveEb6mkWC3w5PPt5bv5y1SmmICfwYw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2276/w30RkrEP8K0zQ4iPaSK9GuOV0ILlsHjivxX3cfxoQb11TsoHZpfPizNWtuDvOdCQI9kCTjmQNndk9Jn8Zc= X-Received: by 10.202.75.15 with SMTP id y15mr6274259oia.5.1516728127845; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:22:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.21.103 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:22:05 -0800 (PST) From: Alia Atlas Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:22:05 -0500 Message-ID: To: isis-wg@ietf.org, OSPF List Cc: "rtgwg@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c17f5447fb1e056374c963" Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] early proposed charter for the Link-State Routing WG X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:22:11 -0000 --001a11c17f5447fb1e056374c963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am working on the initial charter for the LSR WG, which will combine the OSPF and ISIS WGs. At this time, I do not see moving the fast-reroute work from RTGWG, but I am willing to hear opinions. In general, feedback on what areas should be the initial focus or specific concerns on scoping would be useful. My basic plan is for a broad charter focused on maintenance, usage scenarios, and extensions - much as OSPF and ISIS are chartered today. I would like to have this on the February 8 IESG telechat, so rapid feedback and reviews of the proposed charter when it is sent out would be appreciated. Thanks, Alia --001a11c17f5447fb1e056374c963 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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<= div>on maintenance, usage scenarios, and extensions - much as OSPF and ISIS= are
chartered today.

I would like to ha= ve this on the February 8 IESG telechat, so rapid feedback and reviews
of the proposed charter when it is sent out would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Alia
--001a11c17f5447fb1e056374c963-- From nobody Tue Jan 23 18:47:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8971512D775; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 18:47:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend@ietf.org, Peter Psenak , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, ppsenak@cisco.com, ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151676205555.24100.16905148334920949075.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 18:47:35 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-21: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 02:47:36 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-21: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -1.1: There are instances of lower case 2119 keywords. Please consider using the boilerplate from RFC 8174. From nobody Tue Jan 23 18:53:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475B912D775; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 18:53:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, acee@cisco.com, ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151676241328.24225.16930810072919941208.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 18:53:33 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Ben Campbell's No Record on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 02:53:33 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: No Record When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -8: It would be helpful to see a few sentences about how the security considerations in 2328 and 5340 apply to the mechanisms in this draft, rather than just a "no new considerations" assertion. From nobody Tue Jan 23 18:54:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F11B12D880; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 18:54:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, acee@cisco.com, ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151676244812.24129.4910890731162163347.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 18:54:08 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 02:54:08 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -8: It would be helpful to see a few sentences about how the security considerations in 2328 and 5340 apply to the mechanisms in this draft, rather than just a "no new considerations" assertion. 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Tue, 23 Jan 2018 21:53:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.105] From: Ben Campbell Message-Id: <8E634B8E-38DB-4BF4-9895-DA54D4167CF2@nostrum.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8B157726-57B0-488E-936F-C19899AABC36"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 21:53:18 -0600 In-Reply-To: <29516298-0EC0-4C53-AA4D-2EACFECD20B0@cisco.com> Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend@ietf.org" , "Peter Psenak (ppsenak)" , "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" , "ospf@ietf.org" To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" References: <151676205555.24100.16905148334920949075.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <29516298-0EC0-4C53-AA4D-2EACFECD20B0@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-21: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 03:53:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8B157726-57B0-488E-936F-C19899AABC36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jan 23, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Ben, >=20 >=20 [=E2=80=A6] > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > -1.1: There are instances of lower case 2119 keywords. Please = consider using > the boilerplate from RFC 8174. >=20 > This is clearly the intent. This change will be in the -22 version = with RFC 8174 as a normative reference. >=20 >=20 > 1.1. Requirements notation >=20 > The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", > "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and > "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in = BCP > 14 [RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all > capitals, as shown here. >=20 Thanks! Ben. --Apple-Mail=_8B157726-57B0-488E-936F-C19899AABC36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEExW9rpd7ez4DexOFOgFZKbJXz1A0FAlpoAy4ACgkQgFZKbJXz 1A04hw/8ChYogLsVsxEuJh7rscskaJw0cQqnmczv8d3BhW062DzEY3ao7FxS7dwT UUdF63t94dkAIe0aVIrVADjn/xLNp3lu972MeYHCw1o1NxxlilOf9Rm/WwvkZENj 5VU7FO5oHMUMxDLNZcrl0U0f3TOmAbgpLAcF1kAmGEa0gMYX5leadMyy2qaINn/z tJyqK30lQl1VeB6mAUvgLD5RKvlKeiEDCNCppsoJtOmFQfP3XEW5PMfOuyLiwp4E NC65+kZS5kF6PRR+oF0zzmXXixYsP4PWcyn2vtSz5noAgTpH8jVUccaUd4BhXVZL X3yyWBDGRImoWVKKBiXYasRgwnMp27FZ2nLOFAmjnLLVYXfb79MDKYYSCsq6PWgw rN3B4rxGa8uKh/43BM9B0Eqiz5iz65QySWSzaMwDDE973RUDe2W+aTM48kPJ8H0B BII2rUsi5rUhU01X+bCIHoPxVkWUP1DKKCG5+RoMVY7PoL0Cekoyg82PchS31tr7 kzRle4+JiwfqeFlNt7+gCegV2IqcJ5FumvgZ/4MK9gyL1X0raZcBtPwbYaoFqkr3 ZDc38xaS2akrIyUNDnSHqk9wsr7VfIZZaAgCdqefIoDgNQ2a6IL2kv7FHxWDS/p0 00FhvwFL7lyr6htXolYBBPidVS0zXRHj6koudtHC9Z/7wX0QbD4= =Icfa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_8B157726-57B0-488E-936F-C19899AABC36-- From nobody Wed Jan 24 06:47:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBAB124D6C; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 06:47:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alvaro Retana To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend@ietf.org, Peter Psenak , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151680525796.25656.8973774628355392577.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 06:47:37 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Alvaro Retana's Yes on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-21: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 14:47:38 -0000 Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-21: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for doing this work!! All my comments (below) are non-blocking, but I would like to see them addressed before publication. (1) Please include in an explicit indication of what in rfc5340/rfc5838 is Updated by this document. (2) It seems to me that the setting of the U-bit is treated too lightly: "the U-bit will be set"; maybe be more prescriptive: "the U-bit MUST be set". (3) I'm confused, why is the N-bit needed? The description indicates when to use it, but is also says that the "advertising router MAY choose NOT to set [it]", so it doesn't sound that important. Further down, there are other conditions when it is set...but no other text in the document about checking it, or what happens if it is not set. Finally, the text gives an application example: "identifying the prefixes corresponding to Node Segment Identifiers (SIDs) in Segment Routing" -- I checked the reference, but didn't find a mention of the N-bit there either. (4) s/The IPv4 Forwarding Address TLV is The IPv4 Forwarding Address TLV/The IPv4 Forwarding Address TLV (5) s/IPv3/IPv4 (6) The figures in 3.10 and 3.11 have the wrong tittle. (7) From 4.1: Depending on the implementation, it is perfectly valid for an E- Router-LSA to not contain any Router-Link TLVs. However, this would imply that the OSPFv3 router doesn't have any active interfaces in the corresponding area and such E-Router-LSA would never be flooded to other OSPFv3 routers in the area. I can imagine that a starting/restarting router could have a local E-Router-LSA with no active interfaces, are there other cases? What should a router do if it receives an E-Router-LSA with no Router-Link TLVs? (8) s/Inter-Area-Router-LSAE/Inter-Area-Router-LSA (9) sparse mode is called "spare mode" in a couple of places...or maybe it's the other way around. ;-) (10) In many OSPF-related documents the Appendixes are Normative, so I'm assuming they are Normative here too. Only A and B are referenced from the main text -- C is titled "Deprecated LSA Extension Backward Compatibility"; deprecated?? Does that mean that C is an old behavior that lived at some point in the history of this document? The content of C doesn't seem to conflict with what is in A and B, and there is some important information there -- for example the transition process in C.1. But C.2. and C.3. clearly overlap with A and B. Please clarify the role of the Appendixes. [The following comments are related to the Appendixes and their relevance depends on my comment above.] (11) The appendixes contain several places where the text says that a new parameter "will be added" -- in reality this document adds those parameters. Please update. (12) In Appendix B: s/If ExtendedLSASupport is enabled/If AreaExtendedLSASupport is enabled (13) "...disabling AreaExtendedLSASupport when ExtendedLSASupport is enabled is contradictory and MAY be prohibited by the implementation." I'm not sure I understand this text. Can AreaExtendedLSASupport be enabled without enabling ExtendedLSASupport? I'm assuming that's the case (from 6.1: "Individual OSPF Areas can be migrated separately...accomplished by enabled AreaExtendedLSASupport"). If so, then the text above is confusing... If not prohibited by the implementation, what if it happens (AreaExtendedLSASupport is disabled while ExtendedLSASupport is enabled)? From the previous paragraphs, it seems to me that the network could lose external routes (if only Legacy LSAs have that information)-- is that true? OTOH, what if the implementation does prohibit the state -- does that mean that external routes will not be used if they're not derived from Legacy LSAs? I think the text could use some clarification. (14) C.1.1. says that "The configuration of ExtendedLSASupport will apply to AS-External LSAs even when AreaExtendedLSASupport takes precedence." But Appendix B says that "Legacy AS-Scoped LSAs will still be originated and used for the AS External LSA computation." That seems like a contradiction to me. (15) In C.1.1 s/MixedModeOriginate/MixedModeOriginateOnly From nobody Wed Jan 24 07:20:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC584120727; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 07:20:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suresh Krishnan To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend@ietf.org, Peter Psenak , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, ppsenak@cisco.com, ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151680722696.25644.17704112504428127535.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 07:20:26 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-21: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:20:27 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-21: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Section 3.10 and 3.11 What does the sub-TLV length mean here? Are values other than 4 and 16 permitted? If not, how is the packet treated (sub TLV is ignored?) From nobody Wed Jan 24 09:19:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E027127201; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:19:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tu-1EBEXbnTn; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot0-x230.google.com (mail-ot0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD53512711E; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot0-x230.google.com with SMTP id x4so4224582otg.7; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:19:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oxFZ6+qhJ+Eg72P5/302HwOQjGwLDUWjUvomVWmx+uU=; b=AnsmOYQR+V9vpSra5G8KZItSD6jY2RCGL/QHexGgUtLQ1J/+BtIWYOx9QxUNxrtrKG O7180KcPo6DAnPHNwFMmV4J4psX+EwMIdfiQXqHX7HcSm4j0gfhpCC1bpr4s/uP1PndF Jm/60/v8xJvPXEhPrF8l5trx5v3Q/85bjuHozDa7Na9Rv8xMsOz2gdhO8YZB3Uo5HnWi GVy4oI6F8DaEH7a4n53p4lje07Yu3a0rXm+QFI2JHCZSl15wtwtmzdfeMFaveZN2lrXk utLFWTzLHe1Ec4OoHpRUGa817Wxvn1/l99mgP77nrWO1gtOONBt6yznM+hCgWO8WKJuY gNJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oxFZ6+qhJ+Eg72P5/302HwOQjGwLDUWjUvomVWmx+uU=; b=CgrMsTMM9NwcIOL2xCec06lR4+DPYlNyEWKaXHTtRN8pIBQUZ7dL1HPdJA98i/Z3OW 7YjMr3MbRQUIgSf0Bt5jYgp57hBmoqgnqWfh5OW4ChUXnx96K5wSWgeg7PndqdroEiXk HFJi0H7hCIBkbjNuJnxSl9+dkABdEFq89OZdEk6z+D9UyHZxLlohLG/CijVDTC9nWAru 0a6kMZUcn9j6zHKtMHQyHGuE+ocNf1RdRuxpw/1IQs/PPMLhxfLZNR0EvBBElz2YcOiL kVY9gTVI5b4/rtktGFt+oFjRUGa30/qdGr2ivbTNmUQNZEVZYRYQ1TVCX2AZv6gTTXGD nfYA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytfDsX/r7XSjC+E2bnvfiRkkvEyWaJn8FPHCCx3kHJJA5lUuiAMo TJPeqSINRsWA00usvoNRuJ1MfHg2Q3oxj6V/iJsN5f38 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226gW3dCimkpohi6UafYvO3o6p73SLdiua4MXAX9o8aTefqWKXr0twudnuaoNtj6MoohzWun28niC+Zmt7hTUKI= X-Received: by 10.157.45.71 with SMTP id v65mr10615052ota.161.1516814339611; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:18:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.21.103 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: Alia Atlas Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:18:58 -0500 Message-ID: To: isis-wg@ietf.org, OSPF List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d0466e7227d056388dbf4" Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Link-State Routing WG charter X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:19:03 -0000 --001a113d0466e7227d056388dbf4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3. The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering. IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades. For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80=99= s work is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949]= . The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director. The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility. 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural changes 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions 4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing] 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies such as ones commonly used in data centers. The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the needs. LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful. LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed. Regards, Alia --001a113d0466e7227d056388dbf4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm2912002wrg.89.2018.01.24.09.32.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:32:11 -0800 (PST) To: Alia Atlas , isis-wg@ietf.org, OSPF List References: From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <0ae3753a-9037-9199-e61d-b4e15089be73@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:32:07 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------22EE7C0E3DC55E23F55456A5" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:32:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------22EE7C0E3DC55E23F55456A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alia, I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new features to be written in an aligned way. I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarified since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list. I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions " should have been more directive. - Stewart On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: > Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group > that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. > > This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document > current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol > usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing > interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and > OSPFv3.  The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf > WGs and will take on all their existing adopted work at the time of > chartering. > > IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO > 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP > that has been deployed in the Internet for decades.  For the IS-IS > protocol, LSR’s work is focused on IP routing, currently based on the > agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with > other standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. > > OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in > the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides > OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or > IPv4 [RFC 7949]. > > The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by > milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director. > > The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: > 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA > Extendibility. > 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural > changes > 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions > 4) Extensions for source-destination routing > [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing] > 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network > topologies such as > ones commonly used in data centers. > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other > working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to > understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned > work meets the needs.  LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their > extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.  LSR may coordinate with other > WGs as needed. > > Regards, > Alia > > > _______________________________________________ > Isis-wg mailing list > Isis-wg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg --------------22EE7C0E3DC55E23F55456A5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Alia,

I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new features to be written in an aligned way.

I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarified since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list.

I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions " should have been more directive.

- Stewart

On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote:
Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group
that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups.

This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8.

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.  The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering.

IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades.  For the IS-IS protocol, LSR’s work is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS.

OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949].

The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director.

The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:
 
1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility.
2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural changes
3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions
4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]
5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies such as 
ones commonly used in data centers.

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the needs.  LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.  LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed.

Regards,
Alia


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Feel free to provide suggestions for text changes if you have them. You've certainly written enough charters :-) Regards, Alia On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > Alia, > I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new > features to be written in an aligned way. > > I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarifie= d > since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower > priority than the enumerated list. > > I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on thei= r > extensions " should have been more directive. > > - Stewart > > > On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group > that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. > > This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8= . > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document > current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usag= e > scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior > gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3. The > LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will tak= e > on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering. > > IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 > and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been > deployed in the Internet for decades. For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80= =99s work > is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 wi= th > ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that > have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. > > OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the > Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for > IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 794= 9]. > > The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by > milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director. > > The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: > > 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA > Extendibility. > 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural > changes > 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions > 4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src- > routing] > 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies > such as > ones commonly used in data centers. > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other > working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to > understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work > meets the needs. LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their > extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful. LSR may coordinate with other WGs = as > needed. > > Regards, > Alia > > > _______________________________________________ > Isis-wg mailing listIsis-wg@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo= /isis-wg > > > --f403043c41b4ca69150563892fc2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stewart,

Thanks for the quick feedba= ck.=C2=A0 Feel free to provide suggestions for text changes if you have the= m.
You've certainly written enough charters :-)
Regards,
Alia
<= br>
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bry= ant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Alia,

I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new features to be written in an aligned way.

I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarified since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list.

I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER = on their extensions " should have been more directive.

- Stewart


On 24/01/2018 17:18= , Alia Atlas wrote:
Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group
that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups.

This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8.


The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.=C2=A0 The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering.

IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades.=C2=A0 For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80=99s work is fo= cused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS.

OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949].

The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director.

The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:
=C2=A0
1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility.
2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural changes
3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions
4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]
5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies such as=C2=A0
ones commonly used in data centers.

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the needs.=C2=A0 LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.=C2=A0 LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed.

Regards,
Alia


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Alvaro Retana To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151681659533.22557.7134296491991402002.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:56:35 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:56:35 -0000 Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I debated about filing my first comment as a DISCUSS [1], but decided against it because it should be very easy to solve. The rest are non-blocking comments. (1) The following should be Normative references: rfc2119 and rfc6987 -- this last one because MaxLinkMetric (which is defined there) is extensively used (as a MUST) throughout the document. (2) Section 3. (Flooding Scope) provides information about the flooding scope, but only references for OSPFv2. It would be nice if the references for OSPFv3 were included there as well. (3) Section 4.5. mentions that a "new TLV called Graceful-Link-Shutdown is defined" for BGP-LS, but there are no details on the format, etc. The IANA Considerations section suggests a value, not for a TLV but for an NLRI Type! (4) Section 5: "The node that has the link to be taken out of service SHOULD advertise the Graceful-Link-Shutdown sub-TLV..." When would the node not advertise the sub-TLV? IOW, why is "MUST" not used? (5) In 5.1: "MAX-TE-METRIC is a constant defined by this draft and set to 0xfffffffe." Assuming that the intent is to define a new architectural constant... I would rather see this constant defined separately (in it's own section/sub-section with a formal definition) instead of "in passing" while describing how to use it (a la MaxLinkMetric in rfc6987). (6) 5.1 says that the metrics "MUST be set to MaxLinkMetric...and SHOULD be set to MAX-TE-METRIC". Why is there a difference? 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z99sm8128209wrb.79.2018.01.24.10.01.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Jan 2018 10:01:29 -0800 (PST) To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" References: <0ae3753a-9037-9199-e61d-b4e15089be73@gmail.com> <5418BD5D-9E5E-49F1-A44C-FC60C3EDF391@cisco.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <59176f74-28d1-416b-5737-91dbf6d3a833@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 18:01:20 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5418BD5D-9E5E-49F1-A44C-FC60C3EDF391@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7006EB3CB0DFC4C551C8D908" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 18:01:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7006EB3CB0DFC4C551C8D908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes that fixes that. How about: s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress. - Stewart On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > How about: > > LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR > IGPs as > > applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > *From: *Isis-wg on behalf of Alia Atlas > > *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM > *To: *Stewart Bryant > *Cc: *OSPF WG List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Hi Stewart, > > Thanks for the quick feedback.  Feel free to provide suggestions for > text changes if you have them. > > You've certainly written enough charters :-) > > Regards, > > Alia > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant > > wrote: > > Alia, > > I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will > help new features to be written in an aligned way. > > I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly > clarified since the way the charter is written they look like they > are at a lower priority than the enumerated list. > > I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER > on their extensions " should have been more directive. > > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group > > that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. > > This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on > February 8. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to > document current protocol implementation practices and > improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and > extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols > (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.  The LSR > Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and > will take on all their existing adopted work at the time of > chartering. > > IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO > 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to > support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for > decades.  For the IS-IS protocol, LSR’s work is focused on IP > routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with > ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards > bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. > > OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been > deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and > extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which > can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949]. > > The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work > items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director. > > The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: > > 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 > LSA Extendibility. > > 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated > architectural changes > > 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions > > 4) Extensions for source-destination routing > [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing] > > 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network > topologies such as > > ones commonly used in data centers. > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate > with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, > V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to > confirm that the planned work meets the needs.  LSR can > coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR > IGPs as useful.  LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed. > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Isis-wg mailing list > > Isis-wg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg > --------------7006EB3CB0DFC4C551C8D908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Yes that fixes that.

How about:

s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/

I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress.

- Stewart


On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:

How about:

 

LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as

applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. 

 

Thanks,

Acee

 

From: Isis-wg <isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis-wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Hi Stewart,

 

Thanks for the quick feedback.  Feel free to provide suggestions for text changes if you have them.

You've certainly written enough charters :-)

 

Regards,

Alia

 

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

Alia,

I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new features to be written in an aligned way.

I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarified since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list.

I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions " should have been more directive.

- Stewart

 

On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote:

Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group

that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups.

 

This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8.

 

 

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.  The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering.

 

IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades.  For the IS-IS protocol, LSR’s work is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS.

 

OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949].

 

The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director.

 

The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:

 

1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility.

2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural changes

3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions

4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]

5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies such as 

ones commonly used in data centers.

 

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the needs.  LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.  LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed.

 

Regards,

Alia



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Isis-wg mailing list
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Thanks, Alia On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:01 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > Yes that fixes that. > > How about: > > s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition > to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be an initia= l > focus:/ > > I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress. > > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > How about: > > > > LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR > IGPs as > > applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > *From: *Isis-wg on > behalf of Alia Atlas > *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM > *To: *Stewart Bryant > *Cc: *OSPF WG List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" > > *Subject: *Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > > > Hi Stewart, > > > > Thanks for the quick feedback. Feel free to provide suggestions for text > changes if you have them. > > You've certainly written enough charters :-) > > > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant > wrote: > > Alia, > > I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new > features to be written in an aligned way. > > I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarifie= d > since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower > priority than the enumerated list. > > I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on thei= r > extensions " should have been more directive. > > - Stewart > > > > On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group > > that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. > > > > This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8= . > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ > > > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document > current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usag= e > scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior > gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3. The > LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will tak= e > on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering. > > > > IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 > and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been > deployed in the Internet for decades. For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80= =99s work > is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 wi= th > ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that > have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. > > > > OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the > Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for > IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 794= 9]. > > > > The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by > milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director. > > > > The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: > > > > 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA > Extendibility. > > 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural > changes > > 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions > > 4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src- > routing] > > 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies > such as > > ones commonly used in data centers. > > > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other > working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to > understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work > meets the needs. LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their > extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful. LSR may coordinate with other WGs = as > needed. > > > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Isis-wg mailing list > > Isis-wg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg > > > > > > > --001a113e15d696f1c605638975f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds good to both.

Thanks,
= Alia

O= n Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:01 PM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmai= l.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Yes that fixes that.

How about:

s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In = addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/

I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress.

- Stewart


On 24/01/2018 17:54= , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
=20 =20 =20

How about:

=C2=A0

LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as

applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale.=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Acee

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Hi Stewart,

= =C2=A0

Thanks = for the quick feedback.=C2=A0 Feel free to provide suggestions for text changes if you have them.

You'= ;ve certainly written enough charters :-)

= =C2=A0

Regards= ,

Alia=

= =C2=A0

On Wed,= Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.c= om> wrote:

Alia,

I t= hink that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new features to be written in an aligned way.

I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarified since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list.

I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions " should have been more directive.

- Stewart

=C2=A0

On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote:=

<= span>Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group

that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups.

=C2=A0

This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.=C2=A0 The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering.<= /u>

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IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades.=C2=A0 For the IS-= IS protocol, LSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on = IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS.

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OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949].=

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The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director.

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The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:

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1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility.

2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural changes=

3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions<= /p>

4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]<= /u>

5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies such as=C2=A0

ones commonly used in data centers.

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The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the needs.=C2=A0 LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.=C2=A0 LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed.

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Regards,

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Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:11:00 -0800 From: Jeff Tantsura To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Stewart Bryant , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Alia Atlas CC: OSPF List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" Message-ID: <618FCAC2-6247-4743-9F01-20645FE964D1@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3599651465_223514266" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:11:09 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3599651465_223514266 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Wouldn=E2=80=99t L2 reference would be a bit outdated?=20 =20 Cheers, Jeff =20 From: OSPF on behalf of "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <= ginsberg@cisco.com> Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 15:09 To: Stewart Bryant , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter =20 It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better statement as reg= ards IS-IS would be: =20 =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D =20 though admittedly there isn=E2=80=99t much going on as regards Layer2 and IS-IS a= t the moment.=20 =20 Les =20 =20 From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (= ginsberg) Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM To: Stewart Bryant ; Acee Lindem (acee) ; Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter =20 Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work that falls w= ithin the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct to keep track of the cu= rrent priorities. That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly maintained =E2= =80=93 but IS-IS has not) =E2=80=93 or it could simply be the list of active WG docume= nts. I just don=E2=80=99t see that we should expect the charter to express =E2=80=9Cwork in = progress=E2=80=9D now =E2=80=93 or in the future. =20 Alia =E2=80=93 do you think the statement about IS-IS: =20 =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D =20 Could be improved by saying =20 =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D =20 ??? =20 Les =20 =20 From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM To: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter =20 Yes that fixes that. How about: s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition to= ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be an initial foc= us:/ I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress. - Stewart =20 On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: How about: =20 LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs= as applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale.=20 =20 Thanks, Acee=20 =20 From: Isis-wg on behalf of Alia Atlas Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM To: Stewart Bryant Cc: OSPF WG List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter =20 Hi Stewart,=20 =20 Thanks for the quick feedback. Feel free to provide suggestions for text c= hanges if you have them. You've certainly written enough charters :-) =20 Regards, Alia =20 On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant = wrote: Alia, I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new fe= atures to be written in an aligned way. I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarified = since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower prio= rity than the enumerated list. I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their = extensions " should have been more directive.=20 - Stewart=20 =20 On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group=20 that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. =20 This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8. =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ =20 The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current= protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenario= s, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protoco= ls (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3. The LSR Working Group = is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existi= ng adopted work at the time of chartering. =20 IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 an= d additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been deplo= yed in the Internet for decades. For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80=99s work is fo= cused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/J= TC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have resp= onsible for standardizing IS-IS. =20 OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the I= nternet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 = and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949]. =20 The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by mile= stones agreed with the responsible Area Director. =20 The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: =20 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendib= ility. 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural chang= es 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions 4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-rout= ing] 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies su= ch as=20 ones commonly used in data centers. =20 The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other worki= ng groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand= the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the need= s. LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IG= Ps as useful. LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed. =20 Regards, Alia _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list Isis-wg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf= .org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf=20 --B_3599651465_223514266 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Would= n=E2=80=99t L2 reference would be a bit outdated?

 

Cheers,

Jeff

 

From: OSPF <ospf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Les Ginsberg (ginsber= g)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2= 018 at 15:09
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, = "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>, Alia Atlas <akatla= s@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis-wg= @ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis= -wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>It occurred to me after sendin= g this that perhaps a better statement as regards IS-IS would be:

 =

=E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is = focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

 

though admittedly there isn=E2=80=99t much goi= ng on as regards Layer2 and IS-IS at the moment.

 

   Les<= /p>

 

 

From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@iet= f.org] On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Sent: Wednesday= , January 24, 2018 2:33 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@g= mail.com>; Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akat= las@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@iet= f.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter<= o:p>

 

Since a charter only provides a general= definition of the work that falls within the purview of the WG it requires = some adjunct to keep track of the current priorities.

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>That could be the list of mile= stones (which OSPF has regularly maintained =E2=80=93 but IS-IS has not) =E2=80=93 or it= could simply be the list of active WG documents.

I just don=E2=80=99t see that we should = expect the charter to express =E2=80=9Cwork in progress=E2=80=9D now =E2=80=93 or in the futur= e.

 = ;

Alia =E2= =80=93 do you think the statement about IS-IS:

 

=E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP routing=E2=80= =A6=E2=80=9D

&nb= sp;

Coul= d be improved by saying

 

=E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

 

???

 

   Les=

 <= o:p>

 

From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal= f Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM=
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@c= isco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@= gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Yes that f= ixes that.

How about:

s/The following topi= cs are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition to ongoing maintenance,= the following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/

I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress.

- Stewart

 <= /p>

On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>How about:

 

LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to = the LSR IGPs as

applicable to LSV protocol operat= ion and scale. 

 

Thanks,

Acee =

 

From: <= span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Isis-wg <isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gm= ail.com>
Date: Wednes= day, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewa= rt.bryant@gmail.com>
Cc: = OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, <= /span>"= ;isis-wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ie= tf.org>
Subject: Re: = [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Hi Stewart,

 

Thanks for the quick feedback. = Feel free to provide suggestions for text changes if you have them.

You've certain= ly written enough charters :-)

 

Regards,

Alia

 

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant <= ;stewart.bryant@gm= ail.com> wrote:

Alia,

I think = that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new features to= be written in an aligned way.

I think the remit to perform general m= aintenance should slightly clarified since the way the charter is written th= ey look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list.

I= would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on the= ir extensions " should have been more directive.

- Stewart

 

=

On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas = wrote:

Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group

that will be created from the = SPF and ISIS working groups.

 

This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG tel= echat on February 8.

 

 

The Link= -State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current protocol= implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, mainte= nance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols (IGPs)= with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.  The LSR Working Group is f= ormed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing a= dopted work at the time of chartering.

 

IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized b= y ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to= support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades.  For th= e IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP routing, currently based on = the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with o= ther standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS.

 

OSPFv2 [RFC 23= 28 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the Internet for dec= ades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC58= 38] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949].

 

The LSR Working Group will= generally manage its specific work items by milestones agreed with the resp= onsible Area Director.

 

The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:

 

1) Improv= ing OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility.

2) Extensi= ons needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural changes

3) YANG models = for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions

4) Extensions for source-destination r= outing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]

5) Potentially, extensions to better supp= ort specific network topologies such as 

ones commonly used in data centers.

 

The Link= -State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other working groups= , such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need= for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the needs.  = LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs a= s useful.  LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed.

<= /div>

 

Regards,

Alia




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-0500 From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" To: Alvaro Retana , The IESG CC: "draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend@ietf.org" , "Peter Psenak (ppsenak)" , "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" , "ospf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Alvaro Retana's Yes on draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-21: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHTlSJJEPJWA3OUC0iSrmSNYMdL66ODp3uA Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:12:59 +0000 Message-ID: <5C0BFC49-7442-4108-B3EA-B7BBD5E2A959@cisco.com> References: <151680525796.25656.8973774628355392577.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <151680525796.25656.8973774628355392577.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.116.152.198] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <158E574D838BE64AB6E52642893CEDFF@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Alvaro Retana's 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14sm5409719pfi.132.2018.01.24.15.27.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:27:38 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.27.0.171010 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:27:37 -0800 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Alia Atlas , , OSPF List CC: "rtgwg@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: early proposed charter for the Link-State Routing WG References: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3599652458_2036382458" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] early proposed charter for the Link-State Routing WG X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:27:42 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3599652458_2036382458 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Alia, +1 on keeping FRR work in RTGWG ;-) Cheers, Jeff From: rtgwg on behalf of Alia Atlas Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 09:22 To: , OSPF List Cc: RTGWG Subject: early proposed charter for the Link-State Routing WG I am working on the initial charter for the LSR WG, which will combine the OSPF and ISIS WGs. At this time, I do not see moving the fast-reroute work from RTGWG, but I am willing to hear opinions. In general, feedback on what areas should be the initial focus or specific concerns on scoping would be useful. My basic plan is for a broad charter focused on maintenance, usage scenarios, and extensions - much as OSPF and ISIS are chartered today. I would like to have this on the February 8 IESG telechat, so rapid feedback and reviews of the proposed charter when it is sent out would be appreciated. Thanks, Alia _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg --B_3599652458_2036382458 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Al= ia,

 

+1 on keeping FRR work in RTGWG ;-)

&= nbsp;

Cheers,

Jeff

 

From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org> o= n behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, Ja= nuary 23, 2018 at 09:22
To: <isis-wg@ietf.org>, OSPF List &l= t;ospf@ietf.org>
Cc: RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Subject= : early proposed charter for the Link-State Routing WG=

 

I am working on the initial charter for the LSR WG, which will comb= ine the 

OSPF and ISIS WGs. = At this time, I do not see moving the fast-reroute work

from RTGWG, but I am willing to hear opinions.=

 

In general, feedback on what areas should be the initial focu= s or specific 

concerns on = scoping would be useful.  My basic plan is for a broad charter focused<= o:p>

on maintenance, usage scenarios,= and extensions - much as OSPF and ISIS are

chartered today.

 

I would like to have this on= the February 8 IESG telechat, so rapid feedback and reviews

<= /div>

of the proposed charter when it is sent out wou= ld be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Alia

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On the point about the N-flag, I also found it was a bit underspecified in my AD review. Could you please spend a bit of time thinking about how to make it clearer. Thanks, Alia On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > HI Alvaro, > > Thanks for the detailed review. I've resolved almost all of your > comments. I'm going to issue a new version. > > =EF=BB=BFOn 1/24/18, 9:47 AM, "Alvaro Retana" wr= ote: > > Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-21: Yes > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th= is > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria. > html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > Thanks for doing this work!! > > All my comments (below) are non-blocking, but I would like to see the= m > addressed before publication. > > (1) Please include in an explicit indication of what in > rfc5340/rfc5838 is > Updated by this document. > > Ok - while it is obvious once the draft has been consumed, I'll state it > in the Abstract and Introduction explicitly. > > > (2) It seems to me that the setting of the U-bit is treated too > lightly: "the > U-bit will be set"; maybe be more prescriptive: "the U-bit MUST be > set". > > Sure. Although the U-bit is included in the full LSA type so this was > really more informative than normative. However, I don't have a strong > opinion. > > (3) I'm confused, why is the N-bit needed? The description indicates > when to > s use it, but is also says that the "advertising router MAY choose NOT > to set > [it]", so it doesn't sound that important. Further down, there are > other > conditions when it is set...but no other text in the document about > checking > it, or what happens if it is not set. Finally, the text gives an > application > example: "identifying the prefixes corresponding to Node Segment > Identifiers > (SIDs) in Segment Routing" -- I checked the reference, but didn't fin= d > a > mention of the N-bit there either. > > I'm going to defer this one. However, it should be noted that it is also > specified RFC 7684 as the Node-Flag with the same description. > > (4) s/The IPv4 Forwarding Address TLV is The IPv4 Forwarding Address > TLV/The > IPv4 Forwarding Address TLV > > Fixed. > > > (5) s/IPv3/IPv4 > > Fixed. > > > (6) The figures in 3.10 and 3.11 have the wrong tittle. > > Fixed. > > > (7) From 4.1: > Depending on the implementation, it is perfectly valid for an E- > Router-LSA to not contain any Router-Link TLVs. However, this wou= ld > imply that the OSPFv3 router doesn't have any active interfaces in > the corresponding area and such E-Router-LSA would never be floode= d > to other OSPFv3 routers in the area. > > > I can imagine that a starting/restarting router could have a local > E-Router-LSA > with no active interfaces, are there other cases? > > I was going to say it would never happen. However, if you have a single > unnumbered interface (no stub link) and an adjacency (>=3D Exchange state= ) is > being formed, you could have an E-Router-LSA with no links. I'll fix the > text. > > What should a router do if > it receives an E-Router-LSA with no Router-Link TLVs? > > The same thing happens as in OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 today. The OSPFv3 router > is not reachable via an OSPFv3 route. Do you want me to add something > other than fixing the above? > > > (8) s/Inter-Area-Router-LSAE/Inter-Area-Router-LSA > > Fixed. > > (9) sparse mode is called "spare mode" in a couple of places...or > maybe it's > the other way around. ;-) > > Fixed. > > (10) In many OSPF-related documents the Appendixes are Normative, so > I'm > assuming they are Normative here too. Only A and B are referenced > from the > main text -- C is titled "Deprecated LSA Extension Backward > Compatibility"; > deprecated?? Does that mean that C is an old behavior that lived at > some point > in the history of this document? The content of C doesn't seem to > conflict > with what is in A and B, and there is some important information ther= e > -- for > example the transition process in C.1. But C.2. and C.3. clearly > overlap with > A and B. Please clarify the role of the Appendixes. > > [The following comments are related to the Appendixes and their > relevance > depends on my comment above.] > > I think I'm going to remove Appendix C. It was made non-normative since w= e > had an extended drought on implementation and this was assessed by me to = be > the greatest implementation barrier. I think it would be better to descri= be > this in a new draft normatively. I've never been a fan of programmers > adding code that MAY be used in the future. I'll see if any of the > implementers are interested in this effort. > > > (11) The appendixes contain several places where the text says that a > new > parameter "will be added" -- in reality this document adds those > parameters. > Please update. > > Fixed. > > > (12) In Appendix B: s/If ExtendedLSASupport is enabled/If > AreaExtendedLSASupport is enabled > > Fixed. > > (13) "...disabling AreaExtendedLSASupport when ExtendedLSASupport is > enabled is > contradictory and MAY be prohibited by the implementation." I'm not > sure I > understand this text. > > Can AreaExtendedLSASupport be enabled without enabling > ExtendedLSASupport? I'm > assuming that's the case (from 6.1: "Individual OSPF Areas can be > migrated > separately...accomplished by enabled AreaExtendedLSASupport"). If so= , > then the > text above is confusing... > > If not prohibited by the implementation, what if it happens > (AreaExtendedLSASupport is disabled while ExtendedLSASupport is > enabled)? From > the previous paragraphs, it seems to me that the network could lose > external > routes (if only Legacy LSAs have that information)-- is that true? > > OTOH, what if the implementation does prohibit the state -- does that > mean that > external routes will not be used if they're not derived from Legacy > LSAs? I > think the text could use some clarification. > > If I add, "disabling AreaExtendedLSASupport for a regular area"? What thi= s > was meant to capture is the case where Extended-AS-External LSAs would be > flooded into an area without AreaExtendedLSASupport. > > > > (14) C.1.1. says that "The configuration of ExtendedLSASupport will > apply to > AS-External LSAs even when AreaExtendedLSASupport takes precedence." > But > Appendix B says that "Legacy AS-Scoped LSAs will still be originated > and used > for the AS External LSA computation." That seems like a contradictio= n > to me. > > That is why it is disallowed in 13. I changed "MAY" to "SHOULD". > > > (15) In C.1.1 s/MixedModeOriginate/MixedModeOriginateOnly > > Fixed. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > > --001a11c17f54dc295805638e55eb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Acee,

Thanks for your quick response= s.=C2=A0 On the point about the N-flag, I also found it was=C2=A0
a bit underspecified in my AD review.=C2=A0 Could you please spend a bit o= f time thinking
about how to make it clearer.

Thanks,
Alia

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) = <a= cee@cisco.com> wrote:
HI Al= varo,

Thanks for the detailed review.=C2=A0 I've resolved almost all of your = comments.=C2=A0 I'm going to issue a new version.

=EF=BB=BFOn 1/24/18, 9:47 AM, "Alvaro Retana" <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-21: Yes

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free t= o cut this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 introductory paragraph, however.)


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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions= .


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found= here:
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --------------------------------------------------------= --------------
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 COMMENT:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --------------------------------------------------------= --------------

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks for doing this work!!

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 All my comments (below) are non-blocking, but I would like to= see them
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 addressed before publication.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (1) Please include in an explicit indication of what in rfc53= 40/rfc5838 is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Updated by this document.

Ok - while it is obvious once the draft has been consumed, I'll = state it in the Abstract and Introduction explicitly.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (2) It seems to me that the setting of the U-bit is treated t= oo lightly: "the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 U-bit will be set"; maybe be more prescriptive: "th= e U-bit MUST be set".

Sure. Although the U-bit is included in the full LSA type so this wa= s really more informative than normative. However, I don't have a stron= g opinion.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (3) I'm confused, why is the N-bit needed?=C2=A0 The desc= ription indicates when to
s=C2=A0 =C2=A0 use it, but is also says that the "advertising r= outer MAY choose NOT to set
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [it]", so it doesn't sound that imp= ortant.=C2=A0 Further down, there are other
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 conditions when it is set...but no other text in the document= about checking
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 it, or what happens if it is not set. Finally, the text gives= an application
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 example: "identifying the prefixes corresponding to Node= Segment Identifiers
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (SIDs) in Segment Routing" -- I checked the reference, b= ut didn't find a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 mention of the N-bit there either.

I'm going to defer this one. However, it should be noted that it= is also specified RFC 7684 as the Node-Flag with the same description.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (4) s/The IPv4 Forwarding Address TLV is The IPv4 Forwarding = Address TLV/The
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IPv4 Forwarding Address TLV

Fixed.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (5) s/IPv3/IPv4

Fixed.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (6) The figures in 3.10 and 3.11 have the wrong tittle.

Fixed.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (7) From 4.1:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Depending on the implementation, it is perfectly= valid for an E-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Router-LSA to not contain any Router-Link TLVs.= =C2=A0 However, this would
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0imply that the OSPFv3 router doesn't have an= y active interfaces in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the corresponding area and such E-Router-LSA wou= ld never be flooded
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to other OSPFv3 routers in the area.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I can imagine that a starting/restarting router could have a = local E-Router-LSA
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 with no active interfaces, are there other cases?

I was going to say it would never happen. However, if you have a sin= gle unnumbered interface (no stub link) and an adjacency (>=3D Exchange = state) is being formed, you could have an E-Router-LSA with no links. I'= ;ll fix the text.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 What should a router do if
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 it receives an E-Router-LSA with no Router-Link TLVs?

=C2=A0The same thing happens as in OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 today. The OSPF= v3 router is not reachable via an OSPFv3 route.=C2=A0 Do you want me to add= something other than fixing the above?


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (8) s/Inter-Area-Router-LSAE/Inter-Area-Router-LSA

Fixed.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (9) sparse mode is called "spare mode" in a couple = of places...or maybe it's
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the other way around. ;-)

Fixed.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (10) In many OSPF-related documents the Appendixes are Normat= ive, so I'm
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 assuming they are Normative here too.=C2=A0 Only A and B are = referenced from the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 main text -- C is titled "Deprecated LSA Extension Backw= ard Compatibility";
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 deprecated??=C2=A0 Does that mean that C is an old behavior t= hat lived at some point
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 in the history of this document?=C2=A0 The content of C doesn= 't seem to conflict
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 with what is in A and B, and there is some important informat= ion there -- for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 example the transition process in C.1.=C2=A0 But C.2. and C.3= . clearly overlap with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A and B.=C2=A0 Please clarify the role of the Appendixes.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [The following comments are related to the Appendixes and the= ir relevance
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 depends on my comment above.]

I think I'm going to remove Appendix C. It was made non-normativ= e since we had an extended drought on implementation and this was assessed = by me to be the greatest implementation barrier. I think it would be better= to describe this in a new draft normatively. I've never been a fan of = programmers adding code that MAY be used in the future. I'll see if any= of the implementers are interested in this effort.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (11) The appendixes contain several places where the text say= s that a new
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 parameter "will be added" -- in reality this docume= nt adds those parameters.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please update.

Fixed.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (12) In Appendix B: s/If ExtendedLSASupport is enabled/If
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 AreaExtendedLSASupport is enabled

Fixed.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (13) "...disabling AreaExtendedLSASupport when ExtendedL= SASupport is enabled is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 contradictory and MAY be prohibited by the implementation.&qu= ot;=C2=A0 I'm not sure I
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 understand this text.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Can AreaExtendedLSASupport be enabled without enabling Extend= edLSASupport?=C2=A0 I'm
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 assuming that's the case (from 6.1: "Individual OSPF= Areas can be migrated
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 separately...accomplished by enabled AreaExtendedLSASupport&q= uot;).=C2=A0 If so, then the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 text above is confusing...

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If not prohibited by the implementation, what if it happens =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (AreaExtendedLSASupport is disabled while ExtendedLSASupport = is enabled)?=C2=A0 From
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the previous paragraphs, it seems to me that the network coul= d lose external
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 routes (if only Legacy LSAs have that information)-- is that = true?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 OTOH, what if the implementation does prohibit the state -- d= oes that mean that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 external routes will not be used if they're not derived f= rom Legacy LSAs?=C2=A0 I
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 think the text could use some clarification.

If I add, "disabling AreaExtendedLSASupport for a regular area&= quot;? What this was meant to capture is the case where Extended-AS-Externa= l LSAs would be flooded into an area without AreaExtendedLSASupport.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (14) C.1.1. says that "The configuration of ExtendedLSAS= upport will apply to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 AS-External LSAs even when AreaExtendedLSASupport takes prece= dence."=C2=A0 But
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Appendix B says that "Legacy AS-Scoped LSAs will still b= e originated and used
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for the AS External LSA computation."=C2=A0 That seems l= ike a contradiction to me.

That is why it is disallowed in 13. I changed "MAY" to &qu= ot;SHOULD".


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (15) In C.1.1 s/MixedModeOriginate/MixedModeOriginateOnl= y

Fixed.

Thanks,
Acee





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I've modified the paragraph about IS-IS to read: "IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades. For the IS-IS protocol, LSR-WG=E2=80= =99s work is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR-WG will interact with other standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. LSR-WG will continue to support Layer 2 routing (for example TRILL work) as needed." and updated to "In addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be among the work-items at the time of chartering." to clarify that the list isn't constrictive. I didn't go for IP/IPv6 since IP should cover both IPv4 & IPv6. The updated version (with Stewart's comments addressed as well) can be found as charter-ietf-lsf-00-04 at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ Regards, Alia On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better statement as > regards IS-IS would be: > > > > =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing=E2= =80=A6=E2=80=9D > > > > though admittedly there isn=E2=80=99t much going on as regards Layer2 and= IS-IS at > the moment. > > > > Les > > > > > > *From:* Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Les > Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM > *To:* Stewart Bryant ; Acee Lindem (acee) < > acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas > > *Cc:* OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > > > Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work that falls > within the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct to keep track of th= e > current priorities. > > That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly maintained > =E2=80=93 but IS-IS has not) =E2=80=93 or it could simply be the list of = active WG > documents. > > I just don=E2=80=99t see that we should expect the charter to express =E2= =80=9Cwork in > progress=E2=80=9D now =E2=80=93 or in the future. > > > > Alia =E2=80=93 do you think the statement about IS-IS: > > > > =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D > > > > Could be improved by saying > > > > =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80= =9D > > > > ??? > > > > Les > > > > > > *From:* Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org > ] *On Behalf Of *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM > *To:* Acee Lindem (acee) ; Alia Atlas > *Cc:* OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > > > Yes that fixes that. > > How about: > > s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition > to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be an initia= l > focus:/ > > I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress. > > - Stewart > > > > On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > How about: > > > > LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR > IGPs as > > applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > *From: *Isis-wg on > behalf of Alia Atlas > *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM > *To: *Stewart Bryant > *Cc: *OSPF WG List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" > > *Subject: *Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > > > Hi Stewart, > > > > Thanks for the quick feedback. Feel free to provide suggestions for text > changes if you have them. > > You've certainly written enough charters :-) > > > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant > wrote: > > Alia, > > I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new > features to be written in an aligned way. > > I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarifie= d > since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower > priority than the enumerated list. > > I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on thei= r > extensions " should have been more directive. > > - Stewart > > > > On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group > > that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. > > > > This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8= . > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ > > > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document > current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usag= e > scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior > gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3. The > LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will tak= e > on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering. > > > > IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 > and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been > deployed in the Internet for decades. For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80= =99s work > is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 wi= th > ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that > have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. > > > > OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the > Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for > IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 794= 9]. > > > > The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by > milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director. > > > > The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: > > > > 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA > Extendibility. > > 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural > changes > > 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions > > 4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src- > routing] > > 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies > such as > > ones commonly used in data centers. > > > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other > working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to > understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work > meets the needs. LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their > extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful. LSR may coordinate with other WGs = as > needed. > > > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Isis-wg mailing list > > Isis-wg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg > > > > > > > --001a1135575ac8878a05638ea43f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Les,

Thanks for the suggestions!=C2= =A0 I've modified the paragraph about IS-IS to read:

"IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO = 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that = has been deployed in the Internet for decades.=C2=A0 For the IS-IS protocol= , LSR-WG=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP routing, currently based on the ag= reement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR-WG will interact with other = standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. LSR-WG will= continue to support Layer 2 routing (for example TRILL work) as needed.&qu= ot;

and updated to "In addition to ongoing ma= intenance, the following topics are expected to be among the work-items at = the time of chartering." to clarify that the list isn't constricti= ve.

I didn't go for IP/IPv6 since IP should co= ver both IPv4 & IPv6.

The updated version (wit= h Stewart's comments addressed as well) can be found as charter-ietf-ls= f-00-04 at:


Regards,
Alia

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at= 6:09 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com> wrot= e:

It occurred to me afte= r sending this that perhaps a better statement as regards IS-IS would be:

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s= work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D=

=C2=A0

though admittedly ther= e isn=E2=80=99t much going on as regards Layer2 and IS-IS at the moment.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From:= Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>; Acee Lindem (acee) <<= a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com>; = Alia Atlas <akatl= as@gmail.com>


Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

=C2=A0

Since a charter only p= rovides a general definition of the work that falls within the purview of t= he WG it requires some adjunct to keep track of the current priorities.<= /u>

That could be the list= of milestones (which OSPF has regularly maintained =E2=80=93 but IS-IS has= not) =E2=80=93 or it could simply be the list of active WG documents.

I just don=E2=80=99t s= ee that we should expect the charter to express =E2=80=9Cwork in progress= =E2=80=9D now =E2=80=93 or in the future.

=C2=A0

Alia =E2=80=93 do you = think the statement about IS-IS:

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s= work is focused on IP routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

Could be improved by s= aying

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s= work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D<= /p>

=C2=A0

???

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From:= Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

=C2=A0

Yes that fixes that.

How about:

s/The following topi= cs are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition to ongoing maintenance= , the following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/<= /a>

I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in pro= gress.

- Stewart

=C2=A0

On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:=

How about:

=C2=A0

LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their ext= ensions to the LSR IGPs as

applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale.=C2= =A0

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Acee

=C2=A0

From: Isis-wg <isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail= .com>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewa= rt.bryant@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org><= /span>, <= span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">"isis-wg@ietf.org"<= span> <= span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

=C2=A0

Hi Stewart,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the quic= k feedback.=C2=A0 Feel free to provide suggestions for text changes if you = have them.

You've certainl= y written enough charters :-)

=C2=A0

Regards,<= /u>

Alia<= /span>

=C2=A0

On Wed, Jan 24, 201= 8 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

Alia,

I think that this m= erger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new features to be writte= n in an aligned way.

I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarified = since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower pri= ority than the enumerated list.

I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on t= heir extensions " should have been more directive.

- Stewart

=C2=A0

On 24/01/2018 17:18= , Alia Atlas wrote:

Here is the propose= d charter for the LSR working group

that will be create= d from the SPF and ISIS working groups.

=C2=A0

This is scheduled f= or internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The Link-State Rout= ing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current protocol implement= ation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols (IGPs) wit= h a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.=C2=A0 The LSR Working Group is form= ed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing ado= pted work at the time of chartering.

=C2=A0

IS-IS is an IGP spe= cified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC st= andards with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Interne= t for decades.=C2=A0 For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80=99s work is focused o= n IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC= 6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have responsib= le for standardizing IS-IS.

=C2=A0

OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 an= d extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades= . OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949].<= /p>

=C2=A0

The LSR Working Gro= up will generally manage its specific work items by milestones agreed with = the responsible Area Director.

=C2=A0

The following topic= s are expected to be an initial focus:

=C2=A0

1) Improving OSPF s= upport for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility.

2) Extensions neede= d for Segment Routing and associated architectural changes

3) YANG models for = IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions

4) Extensions for s= ource-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]=

5) Potentially, ext= ensions to better support specific network topologies such as=C2=A0<= u>

ones commonly used = in data centers.

=C2=A0

The Link-State Rout= ing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other working groups, such as = RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for exte= nsions and to confirm that the planned work meets the needs.=C2=A0 LSR can coordi= nate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.=C2= =A0 LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed.

=C2=A0

Regards,<= /u>

Alia<= /span>



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ilman/listinfo/isis-wg

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Regards, Alia > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > > > *From: *OSPF on behalf of "Les Ginsberg > (ginsberg)" > *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 15:09 > *To: *Stewart Bryant , "Acee Lindem (acee)" < > acee@cisco.com>, Alia Atlas > *Cc: *OSPF List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > > > It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better statement as > regards IS-IS would be: > > > > =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing=E2= =80=A6=E2=80=9D > > > > though admittedly there isn=E2=80=99t much going on as regards Layer2 and= IS-IS at > the moment. > > > > Les > > > > > > *From:* Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Les > Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM > *To:* Stewart Bryant ; Acee Lindem (acee) < > acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas > *Cc:* OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > > > Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work that falls > within the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct to keep track of th= e > current priorities. > > That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly maintained > =E2=80=93 but IS-IS has not) =E2=80=93 or it could simply be the list of = active WG > documents. > > I just don=E2=80=99t see that we should expect the charter to express =E2= =80=9Cwork in > progress=E2=80=9D now =E2=80=93 or in the future. > > > > Alia =E2=80=93 do you think the statement about IS-IS: > > > > =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D > > > > Could be improved by saying > > > > =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80= =9D > > > > ??? > > > > Les > > > > > > *From:* Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org > ] *On Behalf Of *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM > *To:* Acee Lindem (acee) ; Alia Atlas > *Cc:* OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > > > Yes that fixes that. > > How about: > > s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition > to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be an initia= l > focus:/ > > I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress. > > - Stewart > > > > On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > How about: > > > > LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR > IGPs as > > applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > *From: *Isis-wg on > behalf of Alia Atlas > *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM > *To: *Stewart Bryant > *Cc: *OSPF WG List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" > > *Subject: *Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > > > Hi Stewart, > > > > Thanks for the quick feedback. Feel free to provide suggestions for text > changes if you have them. > > You've certainly written enough charters :-) > > > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant > wrote: > > Alia, > > I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new > features to be written in an aligned way. > > I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarifie= d > since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower > priority than the enumerated list. > > I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on thei= r > extensions " should have been more directive. > > - Stewart > > > > On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group > > that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. > > > > This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8= . > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ > > > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document > current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usag= e > scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior > gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3. The > LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will tak= e > on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering. > > > > IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 > and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been > deployed in the Internet for decades. For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80= =99s work > is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 wi= th > ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that > have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. > > > > OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the > Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for > IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 794= 9]. > > > > The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by > milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director. > > > > The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: > > > > 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA > Extendibility. > > 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural > changes > > 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions > > 4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src- > routing] > > 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies > such as > > ones commonly used in data centers. > > > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other > working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to > understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work > meets the needs. LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their > extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful. LSR may coordinate with other WGs = as > needed. > > > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Isis-wg mailing list > > Isis-wg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > --001a113e15d64513e305638eb3f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On W= ed, Jan 24, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

Wouldn=E2=80=99t L2 reference would be a bit outdated?


There has been work from IEEE and = from TRILL in the past as well as other aspects=C2=A0 (e.g. RFC 6165, RFC 6= 326,=C2=A0
RFC 6329, RFC 7176) and - particularly with TRILL clos= ing soon - making sure that such work isn't out of scope
seem= s useful.

Regards,
Alia
=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

Cheers,<= /p>

Jeff

= =C2=A0

From: O= SPF <ospf-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <= ginsberg@cisco.com<= /a>>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 15:09
To: = Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, "Acee Lindem (acee)" <= acee@cisco.com>,= Alia Atlas <akat= las@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis-wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
= Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

=C2=A0

It occurred to me after sendin= g this that perhaps a better statement as regards IS-IS would be:=

=C2=A0<= /span>

=E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing=E2= =80=A6=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

though admittedly there isn=E2=80=99t much goin= g on as regards Layer2 and IS-IS at the moment.

=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Le= s

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal= f Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 201= 8 2:33 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>; Acee Lindem= (acee) <acee@cisco.= com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject:= Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

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Since a charter only provides a general = definition of the work that falls within the purview of the WG it requires = some adjunct to keep track of the current priorities.<= /p>

That could be the l= ist of milestones (which OSPF has regularly maintained =E2=80=93 but IS-IS = has not) =E2=80=93 or it could simply be the list of active WG documents.

I just don=E2=80=99t see that we should expect the charter to express =E2= =80=9Cwork in progress=E2=80=9D now =E2=80=93 or in the future.

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= Alia =E2=80=93 do you think the statement about IS-IS:=

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=E2=80=9C= LSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D=

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Co= uld be improved by saying

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=E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused= on IP/IPv6 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

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???

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=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Les

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From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On B= ehalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:= 01 AM
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc:<= /b> OSPF List <ospf@i= etf.org>; isis= -wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG cha= rter

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Yes that fixes that.

How about:<= u>

s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ I= n addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be = an initial focus:/

I am just concerned that we need not= to loose focus on work in progress.

- Stewart

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On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:

How about:

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LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER o= n their extensions to the LSR IGPs as

applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale.=C2=A0

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Thanks,

Acee =

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From= : Isis-wg <isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com&g= t;
Date: Wednesday, J= anuary 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>= , "isis= -wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>=
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

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Hi Stewart,

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Thanks for the quick feedback.=C2=A0 Feel f= ree to provide suggestions for text changes if you have them.=

You've= certainly written enough charters :-)

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Regards,<= /p>

Alia=

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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com= > wrote:

Alia,

I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new f= eatures to be written in an aligned way.

I think the remit to perfor= m general maintenance should slightly clarified since the way the charter i= s written they look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated l= ist.

I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP a= nd BIER on their extensions " should have been more directive.
- Stewart

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On 24/01/2018 17:18= , Alia Atlas wrote:

Here is the proposed charter for the LSR worki= ng group

that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups.=

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This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February= 8.

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The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is cha= rtered to document current protocol implementation practices and improvemen= ts, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state rout= ing interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OS= PFv3.=C2=A0 The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WG= s and will take on all their existing adopted work at the time of charterin= g.

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IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through I= SO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP th= at has been deployed in the Internet for decades.=C2=A0 For the IS-IS proto= col, LSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP routing, currently based on the ag= reement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other = standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS.

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OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the= Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IP= v6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949].<= u>

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The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work = items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director.

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The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:

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1) = Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibili= ty.

2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectura= l changes

3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions=

4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]

5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network= topologies such as=C2=A0

ones commonly used in data centers.<= /u>

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The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other wo= rking groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to unders= tand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the= needs.=C2=A0 LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to= the LSR IGPs as useful.=C2=A0 LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed.=

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Regards,

Alia




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ESMTP id 1EE8712DDD2; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:04:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151686385908.15973.5171072985096123793@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:04:19 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-14.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:04:19 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. Title : OSPF Graceful Link shutdown Authors : Shraddha Hegde Pushpasis Sarkar Hannes Gredler Mohan Nanduri Luay Jalil Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-14.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-01-24 Abstract: When a link is being prepared to be taken out of service, the traffic needs to be diverted from both ends of the link. Increasing the metric to the highest value on one side of the link is not sufficient to divert the traffic flowing in the other direction. It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to be able to advertise a link as being in a graceful-shutdown state to indicate impending maintenance activity on the link. This information can be used by the network devices to re-route the traffic effectively. This document describes the protocol extensions to disseminate graceful-link-shutdown information in OSPFv2 and OSPFv3. 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Related to BGP-LS TLV: For sec 4.5 - please mention the type here since the IANA section would get= taken off by RFC editor. While you do refer to RFC7752 sec 3.1 for the TLV= - I think it would be more reader friendly to describe the TLV and the cod= e point in this section inline like the OSPF TLVs. For sec 10, the BGP-LS registry being referred to is wrong and it should be= " BGP-LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribut= e TLVs" and the suggested codepoint is already taken so I would suggest to = request for 1121. I believe this was pointed out during the early allocatio= n call but seems like it got missed out so could you please correct/update? https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-ls-parameters/bgp-ls-parameters.xhtml= =20 Suggest making the section describing Maximum TE Metric before the current = Sec 5 - Elements of procedure so the flow is better for the reader. Sec 5.1=20 Instead of using SHOULD for TE metric, it would be better to qualify as " W= hen TE is enabled, the TE metric of the link MUST be set to MAX-TE-METRIC (= 0xfffffffe) and the node MUST re-originate the corresponding TE Link Opaque= LSAs." s/ MAX-TE-METRIC (0xfffffffe).// s/ The TE metric SHOULD be set / The TE metric of the link SHOULD be set s/ link and set the metric to MaxLinkMetric / link and set its metric to Ma= xLinkMetric s/ The TE metric SHOULD be set to MAX-TE-METRIC (0xfffffffe) and the TE opa= que LSA for the link SHOULD be re-originated with new value./ Similarly, wh= en TE is enabled, the remote node MUST set the TE metric for the link to MA= X-TE-METRIC (0xfffffffe) and MUST re-originate the TE Link Opaque LSA for t= he link with new value. A couple of sentences describing the different LSAs that come into play for= OSPFv3 would be helpful in this section as well. Just as done in sec 3. Th= e thing is that the OSPFv3 LSAs and especially it's equivalent TE LSAs are = different. In fact RFC5329 is not being referred to as NORMATIVE and so doe= s that imply we don't want to do similar action with TE metric in case of O= SPFv3?. So it would be good to specify or clarify that part. Perhaps in gen= eral at start of sec 5 so the text in the rest of sub-sections are link-typ= e specifics and generic to OSPF without naming any LSAs there? Sec 5.4 Unnumbered interfaces IMHO this text is very similar to Sec 4.7 which talks about how to identify= parallel links. Perhaps sec 5.4 should become Sec 4.8 since what is does i= s explain how the correlation of links is done for unnumbered links. Altern= ately, this explanation can be put under Sec 4.3 where the Local/Remote ID = TLV is specified since this mechanism is going to be common for other use-c= ase of this general purpose TLV. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Shraddha Hegde Sent: 25 January 2018 11:01 To: Alvaro Retana ; The IESG Cc: ospf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; ospf-chairs@ietf= .org Subject: Re: [OSPF] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-ov= erload-13: (with COMMENT) Alvaro, Thanks for the review and comments. Pls see inline.. Rgds Shraddha -----Original Message----- From: Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 11:27 PM To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; Acee Lindem ; o= spf-chairs@ietf.org; ospf@ietf.org Subject: Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: = (with COMMENT) Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email= addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.= ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuh= r6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DNyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzC= Nrng&m=3D2yotvig0Pod2iYz1kE1G9Yj72-TdzzWuw-Wi17D6TfU&s=3D8uPkIAPxrIiuVMLudg= aSbVjvc-3iZNkLaXrmc6GJpZM&e=3D for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org= _doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dospf-2Dlink-2Doverload_&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Sc= bfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DNyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng= &m=3D2yotvig0Pod2iYz1kE1G9Yj72-TdzzWuw-Wi17D6TfU&s=3D5Dmkf-qOIfCiHPCyuj-sVN= DcS904luv_ECpSb3D5HVM&e=3D ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I debated about filing my first comment as a DISCUSS [1], but decided again= st it because it should be very easy to solve. The rest are non-blocking c= omments. (1) The following should be Normative references: rfc2119 and rfc6987 -- th= is last one because MaxLinkMetric (which is defined there) is extensively u= sed (as a MUST) throughout the document. OK (2) Section 3. (Flooding Scope) provides information about the flooding sco= pe, but only references for OSPFv2. It would be nice if the references for= OSPFv3 were included there as well. OK (3) Section 4.5. mentions that a "new TLV called Graceful-Link-Shutdown is = defined" for BGP-LS, but there are no details on the format, etc. The IANA= Considerations section suggests a value, not for a TLV but for an NLRI Typ= e! OK. Refered section 3.1 of RFC 7752 and described the contents o= f the TLV IANA section seems ok to me. Could you be more specific what need= s to change? BGP-LS Link NLRI Registry [RFC7752] >>>>>>>Registry i)Graceful-Link-Shutdown TLV - Suggested 1101 >>>>>>>TLV type (4) Section 5: "The node that has the link to be taken out of service SHOUL= D advertise the Graceful-Link-Shutdown sub-TLV..." When would the node not= advertise the sub-TLV? IOW, why is "MUST" not used? Thanks for pointing out. Changed to MUST. (5) In 5.1: "MAX-TE-METRIC is a constant defined by this draft and set to 0= xfffffffe." Assuming that the intent is to define a new architectural cons= tant... I would rather see this constant defined separately (in it's own se= ction/sub-section with a formal definition) instead of "in passing" while d= escribing how to use it (a la MaxLinkMetric in rfc6987). OK (6) 5.1 says that the metrics "MUST be set to MaxLinkMetric...and SHOULD be= set to MAX-TE-METRIC". Why is there a difference? TE is an optional feature so MAX-TE-METRIC needs to be set only = when TE is enabled on the node. (7) s/MAX_METRIC/MaxLinkMetric ok. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 44sm7394438wrt.46.2018.01.25.04.31.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Jan 2018 04:31:35 -0800 (PST) To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" References: <0ae3753a-9037-9199-e61d-b4e15089be73@gmail.com> <5418BD5D-9E5E-49F1-A44C-FC60C3EDF391@cisco.com> <59176f74-28d1-416b-5737-91dbf6d3a833@gmail.com> <5057145faa60474e8870dc2456c3a350@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> <4ec12a3e88ce419eb214da5f3009a4dd@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <79001995-1461-7087-2b9a-3ef5802c27f6@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 12:31:34 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ec12a3e88ce419eb214da5f3009a4dd@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E0FE38FFCF2F889062BE5348" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 12:32:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E0FE38FFCF2F889062BE5348 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Les I agree wrt L2 Isn't another focus collecting the information to feed into an SDN controller via BGP-LS? That is really network layer  state collection rather than routing in the traditional sense. - Stewart On 24/01/2018 23:09, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > > It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better statement > as regards IS-IS would be: > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing…” > > though admittedly there isn’t much going on as regards Layer2 and > IS-IS at the moment. > >    Les > > *From:*Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Les > Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM > *To:* Stewart Bryant ; Acee Lindem (acee) > ; Alia Atlas > *Cc:* OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work that > falls within the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct to keep > track of the current priorities. > > That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly > maintained – but IS-IS has not) – or it could simply be the list of > active WG documents. > > I just don’t see that we should expect the charter to express “work in > progress” now – or in the future. > > Alia – do you think the statement about IS-IS: > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP routing…” > > Could be improved by saying > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing…” > > ??? > >    Les > > *From:*Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM > *To:* Acee Lindem (acee) >; > Alia Atlas > > *Cc:* OSPF List >; > isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Yes that fixes that. > > How about: > > s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In > addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to > be an initial focus:/ > > I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress. > > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > How about: > > LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the > LSR IGPs as > > applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > *From: *Isis-wg > on > behalf of Alia Atlas > *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM > *To: *Stewart Bryant > > *Cc: *OSPF WG List , > "isis-wg@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Hi Stewart, > > Thanks for the quick feedback.  Feel free to provide suggestions > for text changes if you have them. > > You've certainly written enough charters :-) > > Regards, > > Alia > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant > > wrote: > > Alia, > > I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it > will help new features to be written in an aligned way. > > I think the remit to perform general maintenance should > slightly clarified since the way the charter is written they > look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list. > > I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and > BIER on their extensions " should have been more directive. > > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group > > that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. > > This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG > telechat on February 8. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to > document current protocol implementation practices and > improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and > extensions of link-state routing interior gateway > protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and > OSPFv3.  The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the > isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing > adopted work at the time of chartering. > > IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through > ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with > extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the > Internet for decades.  For the IS-IS protocol, LSR’s work > is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement > in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact > with other standards bodies that have responsible for > standardizing IS-IS. > > OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been > deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and > extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] > which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949]. > > The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific > work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area > Director. > > The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: > > 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using > OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility. > > 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated > architectural changes > > 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions > > 4) Extensions for source-destination routing > [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing] > > 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific > network topologies such as > > ones commonly used in data centers. > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate > with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, > TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for > extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the > needs.  LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their > extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.  LSR may coordinate > with other WGs as needed. > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Isis-wg mailing list > > Isis-wg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg > --------------E0FE38FFCF2F889062BE5348 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


Les

I agree wrt L2

Isn't another focus collecting the information to feed into an SDN controller via BGP-LS? That is really network layer  state collection rather than routing in the traditional sense.

- Stewart


On 24/01/2018 23:09, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote:

It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better statement as regards IS-IS would be:

 

“LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing…”

 

though admittedly there isn’t much going on as regards Layer2 and IS-IS at the moment.

 

   Les

 

 

From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>; Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work that falls within the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct to keep track of the current priorities.

That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly maintained – but IS-IS has not) – or it could simply be the list of active WG documents.

I just don’t see that we should expect the charter to express “work in progress” now – or in the future.

 

Alia – do you think the statement about IS-IS:

 

“LSR’s work is focused on IP routing…”

 

Could be improved by saying

 

“LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing…”

 

???

 

   Les

 

 

From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Yes that fixes that.

How about:

s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/

I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress.

- Stewart

 

On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:

How about:

 

LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as

applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. 

 

Thanks,

Acee

 

From: Isis-wg <isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis-wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Hi Stewart,

 

Thanks for the quick feedback.  Feel free to provide suggestions for text changes if you have them.

You've certainly written enough charters :-)

 

Regards,

Alia

 

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

Alia,

I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new features to be written in an aligned way.

I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarified since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list.

I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions " should have been more directive.

- Stewart

 

On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote:

Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group

that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups.

 

This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8.

 

 

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.  The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering.

 

IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades.  For the IS-IS protocol, LSR’s work is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS.

 

OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949].

 

The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director.

 

The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:

 

1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility.

2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural changes

3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions

4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]

5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies such as 

ones commonly used in data centers.

 

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the needs.  LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.  LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed.

 

Regards,

Alia



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My basic plan is for a broad > charter focused > > on maintenance, usage scenarios, and extensions - much as OSPF and > ISIS are > > chartered today. > > I would like to have this on the February 8 IESG telechat, so rapid > feedback and reviews > > of the proposed charter when it is sent out would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Alia > > _______________________________________________ rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > > > > _______________________________________________ > Isis-wg mailing list > Isis-wg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg --------------E6BBB64ED0BA7F54B578791D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

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On 24/01/2018 23:27, Jeff Tantsura wrote:

Hi Alia,

 

+1 on keeping FRR work in RTGWG ;-)

 

Cheers,

Jeff

 

From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 09:22
To: <isis-wg@ietf.org>, OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>
Cc: RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Subject: early proposed charter for the Link-State Routing WG

 

I am working on the initial charter for the LSR WG, which will combine the 

OSPF and ISIS WGs.  At this time, I do not see moving the fast-reroute work

from RTGWG, but I am willing to hear opinions.

 

In general, feedback on what areas should be the initial focus or specific 

concerns on scoping would be useful.  My basic plan is for a broad charter focused

on maintenance, usage scenarios, and extensions - much as OSPF and ISIS are

chartered today.

 

I would like to have this on the February 8 IESG telechat, so rapid feedback and reviews

of the proposed charter when it is sent out would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Alia

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--------------E6BBB64ED0BA7F54B578791D-- From nobody Thu Jan 25 04:53:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3289F129C6C; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 04:53:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benoit Claise To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, acee@cisco.com, ospf@ietf.org, tim.chown@jisc.ac.uk X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151688478020.31298.16642730494895771972.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 04:53:00 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 12:53:00 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- As mentioned by Tim, part of the OPS DIR review. It's the authors and responsible AD to decide whether to act on those comments. I believe the document is Ready for publication. I have only three minor comments below, which the authors may choose to act on. Overall the document reads reasonably well. Not being overly familiar with the material, I needed to read it through end-to-end more than once to better understand its scope and intent. My first comment would be that perhaps the introduction section could be better written; the abstract seemed clear on the purpose of the draft, while the introduction felt a little muddled. Sections 2, 3 and 4, which detail the motivations and extensions, were much clearer. Secondly, there are some minor typographic errors throughout the document, generally missing (in)definite articles. While the RFC Editor would pick these up, it would be nice for the authors to have a final pass and fix those before submission. Thirdly, the document does not give any advice on the timing of using the extensions - how far in advance is it recommended to use the extensions? - or on the return to 'normal' state once the maintenance is completed. So perhaps consider adding a short section on this, maybe in Section 5. From nobody Thu Jan 25 06:19:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D601241FC; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 06:19:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.544 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.544 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F3hlw1g1UO4B; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 06:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from r-mail2.rd.orange.com (r-mail2.rd.orange.com [217.108.152.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3CB120726; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 06:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from r-mail2.rd.orange.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 539BC5D892F; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:19:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.194.32.11]) by r-mail2.rd.orange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC095D8915; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:19:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.193.71.63] (10.193.71.63) by FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (10.194.32.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.361.1; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:19:10 +0100 To: Stewart Bryant , Alia Atlas CC: OSPF List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" , Jonathan Hardwick , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS)" References: <0ae3753a-9037-9199-e61d-b4e15089be73@gmail.com> <5418BD5D-9E5E-49F1-A44C-FC60C3EDF391@cisco.com> <59176f74-28d1-416b-5737-91dbf6d3a833@gmail.com> <5057145faa60474e8870dc2456c3a350@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> <4ec12a3e88ce419eb214da5f3009a4dd@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> <79001995-1461-7087-2b9a-3ef5802c27f6@gmail.com> From: Julien Meuric Organization: Orange Message-ID: <5df0eeab-7218-457b-53a7-bbcc90ae4ce2@orange.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:19:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <79001995-1461-7087-2b9a-3ef5802c27f6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:19:17 -0000 Hi all, I agree with Stewart: it would be clearer to make explicit that all the protocol work we have been referring to as "Traffic Engineering"/"extended metrics"/"topological parameters"/etc. is still in scope of the LSR WG. By the way, I think is would be great to also mention the PCE WG when we tackle the list of expected coordinations, somewhere near MPLS and TEAS... Thanks, Julien Jan. 25, 2018 - stewart.bryant@gmail.com: > > Les > > I agree wrt L2 > > Isn't another focus collecting the information to feed into an SDN > controller via BGP-LS? That is really network layer  state collection > rather than routing in the traditional sense. > > - Stewart > > > On 24/01/2018 23:09, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: >> >> It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better statement >> as regards IS-IS would be: >> >>   >> >> “LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing…” >> >>   >> >> though admittedly there isn’t much going on as regards Layer2 and >> IS-IS at the moment. >> >>   >> >>    Les >> >>   >> >>   >> >> *From:*Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Les >> Ginsberg (ginsberg) >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM >> >>   >> >> Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work that >> falls within the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct to keep >> track of the current priorities. >> >> That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly >> maintained – but IS-IS has not) – or it could simply be the list of >> active WG documents. >> >> I just don’t see that we should expect the charter to express “work >> in progress” now – or in the future. >> >>   >> >> Alia – do you think the statement about IS-IS: >> >>   >> >> “LSR’s work is focused on IP routing…” >> >>   >> >> Could be improved by saying >> >>   >> >> “LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing…” >> >>   >> >> ??? >> >>   >> >>    Les >> >>   >> >>   >> >> *From:*Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of >> *Stewart Bryant >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM >> >> Yes that fixes that. >> >> How about: >> >> s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In >> addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to >> be an initial focus:/ >> >> I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress. >> >> - Stewart >> >>   >> >> On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >> >> How about: >> >>   >> >> LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to >> the LSR IGPs as >> >> applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale.  >> >>   >> >> Thanks, >> >> Acee >> >>   >> >> *From: *Isis-wg >> on >> behalf of Alia Atlas >> *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM >> >>   >> >> Hi Stewart, >> >>   >> >> Thanks for the quick feedback.  Feel free to provide suggestions >> for text changes if you have them. >> >> You've certainly written enough charters :-) >> >>   >> >> Regards, >> >> Alia >> >>   >> >> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant >> > wrote: >> >> Alia, >> >> I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it >> will help new features to be written in an aligned way. >> >> I think the remit to perform general maintenance should >> slightly clarified since the way the charter is written they >> look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list. >> >> I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and >> BIER on their extensions " should have been more directive. >> >> - Stewart >> >>   >> >> On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: >> >> Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group >> >> that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. >> >>   >> >> This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG >> telechat on February 8. >> >>   >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ >> >>   >> >> The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered >> to document current protocol implementation practices and >> improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and >> extensions of link-state routing interior gateway >> protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and >> OSPFv3.  The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the >> isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing >> adopted work at the time of chartering. >> >>   >> >> IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through >> ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with >> extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the >> Internet for decades.  For the IS-IS protocol, LSR’s work >> is focused on IP routing, currently based on the >> agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will >> interact with other standards bodies that have >> responsible for standardizing IS-IS. >> >>   >> >> OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been >> deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and >> extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] >> which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949]. >> >>   >> >> The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific >> work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area >> Director. >> >>   >> >> The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: >> >>   >> >> 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using >> OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility. >> >> 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated >> architectural changes >> >> 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions >> >> 4) Extensions for source-destination routing >> [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing] >> >> 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific >> network topologies such as  >> >> ones commonly used in data centers. >> >>   >> >> The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will >> coordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, >> SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the >> need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work >> meets the needs.  LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER >> on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.  LSR may >> coordinate with other WGs as needed. >> >>   >> >> Regards, >> >> Alia >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Isis-wg mailing list >> >> Isis-wg@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg >> >>   >> >>   >> >>   >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From nobody Thu Jan 25 07:17:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD9D1243FE; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:17:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 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draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f4030435c2802f712f05639b676d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:26:30 -0000 --f4030435c2802f712f05639b676d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Could a look at the changes in draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-14 happen? Also, it would be good to get feedback from TEAS on this document and any concerns. Thanks, Alia On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Deborah Brungard wrote: > Deborah Brungard has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This document is defining a MAX-TE-METRIC of 0xfffffffe. But RFC5817 > defined > 0xffffffff to be used for graceful shutdown. I noted an email exchange > between > the author and Acee on this where Acee raised the question why RFC5817's > value > was not used. Shraddha replied "We can if we have the Working Group > Consensus". > There was no further discussion. > > This document was not shared with teas which is responsible for TE (or > ccamp > which was originally responsible for RFC5817). > > Either this value needs to be changed to RFC5817's value or this TE metric > needs to be removed from this document until agreement with TEAS. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I found the title of section 7.2 "Controller Based Traffic Engineering > Deployments" confusing as it only is describing a controller controlling a > path. It is not "TE" in the IETF sense e.g. TE signaling. It would be much > less > confusing if say "Controller Based Deployments" and "satisfying the traffic > engineering constraints"/s/"satisfying the constraints". Especially as for > TE, > procedures already do exist. I noted in the introduction you did reference > RFC5817 MPLS Graceful Shutdown on the procedures when doing a graceful > shutdown > of a TE link. > > > --f4030435c2802f712f05639b676d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Could a look at the changes in=C2=A0draft-ietf-ospf-link-o= verload-14 happen?

Also, it would be good to get feedbac= k from TEAS on this document and any concerns.

Tha= nks,
Alia

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Deborah Brungard <db3546@att= .com> wrote:
Deborah Brunga= rd has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: Discuss

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/<= wbr>statement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/



-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----
DISCUSS:
-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----

This document is defining a MAX-TE-METRIC of 0xfffffffe. But RFC5817 define= d
0xffffffff to be used for graceful shutdown. I noted an email exchange betw= een
the author and Acee on this where Acee raised the question why RFC5817'= s value
was not used. Shraddha replied "We can if we have the Working Group Co= nsensus".
There was no further discussion.

This document was not shared with teas which is responsible for TE (or ccam= p
which was originally responsible for RFC5817).

Either this value needs to be changed to RFC5817's value or this TE met= ric
needs to be removed from this document until agreement with TEAS.


-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----
COMMENT:
-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----

I found the title of section 7.2 "Controller Based Traffic Engineering=
Deployments" confusing as it only is describing a controller controlli= ng a
path. It is not "TE" in the IETF sense e.g. TE signaling. It woul= d be much less
confusing if say "Controller Based Deployments" and "satisfy= ing the traffic
engineering constraints"/s/"satisfying the constraints". Esp= ecially as for TE,
procedures already do exist.=C2=A0 I noted in the introduction you did refe= rence
RFC5817 MPLS Graceful Shutdown on the procedures when doing a graceful shut= down
of a TE link.



--f4030435c2802f712f05639b676d-- From nobody Thu Jan 25 07:30:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE47512D951; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:30:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LOO_JgSsyXRO; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-x233.google.com (mail-oi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E364124BFA; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id t78so5481975oih.4; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:30:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=V4uTRbf9dHKp7dCshDeurEaZAWiIWryxdQcPekQF850=; b=JZjV5/TeBPCT4JFIGwJOg48yQWwpG2KRt78mcnszE+vtYjBBpQRU1khB7ITcDTV64h ziVTw/z7nCWDEDX38RAZiV0r8+Rjg3vOYQvDxVoDCq626ncT2N7ZDzF2IcjnaAsUctYy vmicD52bU7s3c8y964f7+u7yISWfi9dTxofRshWCc42jVe6ziAeGoLqCoom93YfpTpFn iBJH+yn9pJGVZbqYobhsdCF5fQ/+FM0W5+kXQ6TZsNggldnn62f+Lx/Q4E+wSiXks+Lf azd3/fnjLcXGaK+iJsSJ3ybgfAI7ImhURPA7PkQGI/QEL0nqpKH+u+Uhwks/Mau0x+D9 xUKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=V4uTRbf9dHKp7dCshDeurEaZAWiIWryxdQcPekQF850=; b=HWtgqqU1rT+SdxDXD8g45WewwdGulR5O6MQ+T+YiEIRhU+roeaPvFz5zVIDAEKkAiT mEVurfmH7zHW2l+LUNjQ/28qw8u/nUoSPXqu3RC/As45sdMDRCZ9JAevGNzNMHVFeYNM GE9VpUsn/Axzw8oHsViNz1/AucTBZ1iVkC8a6FuUsw1mxj0Uo5I/U9Rx5mE3jH+se+r/ lc19GkEGIlxhTFncI9HHwXMO7Gf8DDRQZW5Qy0W2fMRHgxI0HzSikV8ET9AHLJuVG13u lQrEA1GZ/hVPLhyZFoW+0tfudban9yzvU6u09H3tnXiK8ylwyFIuf8BgBPBh3Y+kCcHQ 3Ocw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytfODY3CygsJVwbKwiIraDYA3I1J5scKmltJjQgFbKpzLiEZ0vl7 KEkYXCEQbv31Z54ZZogzLXr+AdlzcvnIy3ByGKQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2263y0Yk7CF73Ay0JuT4TEOOfOe6ov0PJl+rRNke2CPn6jVF2RCTp2+OpBjWpSOkwTpd3X7A8M+9pNFedsECd3c= X-Received: by 10.202.5.196 with SMTP id 187mr10789443oif.352.1516894214466; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:30:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.21.103 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:30:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <151672688324.13994.3394246547043297427.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Alia Atlas Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 10:30:13 -0500 Message-ID: To: Deborah Brungard Cc: The IESG , OSPF List , draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org, Acee Lindem , ospf-chairs@ietf.org, "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c18cc4ed0b1c805639b74d2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:30:19 -0000 --94eb2c18cc4ed0b1c805639b74d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" More specifically, as Deborah pointed out, in RFC 5817 Section 4.1, it says "Specifically, the node where graceful shutdown of a link is desired originates the TE LSA or IS- IS-LSP containing a Link TLV for the link under graceful shutdown with the Traffic Engineering metric set to 0xffffffff, 0 as unreserved bandwidth. " and draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-14 conflicts with that by using 0xfffffffe instead. Regards, Alia On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Alia Atlas wrote: > Could a look at the changes in draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-14 happen? > > Also, it would be good to get feedback from TEAS on this document and any > concerns. > > Thanks, > Alia > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Deborah Brungard wrote: > >> Deborah Brungard has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> This document is defining a MAX-TE-METRIC of 0xfffffffe. But RFC5817 >> defined >> 0xffffffff to be used for graceful shutdown. I noted an email exchange >> between >> the author and Acee on this where Acee raised the question why RFC5817's >> value >> was not used. Shraddha replied "We can if we have the Working Group >> Consensus". >> There was no further discussion. >> >> This document was not shared with teas which is responsible for TE (or >> ccamp >> which was originally responsible for RFC5817). >> >> Either this value needs to be changed to RFC5817's value or this TE metric >> needs to be removed from this document until agreement with TEAS. >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I found the title of section 7.2 "Controller Based Traffic Engineering >> Deployments" confusing as it only is describing a controller controlling a >> path. It is not "TE" in the IETF sense e.g. TE signaling. It would be >> much less >> confusing if say "Controller Based Deployments" and "satisfying the >> traffic >> engineering constraints"/s/"satisfying the constraints". Especially as >> for TE, >> procedures already do exist. I noted in the introduction you did >> reference >> RFC5817 MPLS Graceful Shutdown on the procedures when doing a graceful >> shutdown >> of a TE link. >> >> >> > --94eb2c18cc4ed0b1c805639b74d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
More specifically, as Deborah pointed out, in RFC 5817 Sec= tion 4.1, it says
"Specifically, the node where=C2=A0graceful shut= down of a link is desired originates the TE LSA or IS-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0IS-L= SP containing a Link TLV for the link under graceful shutdown
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0with the Traffic Engineering metric set to 0xffffffff, 0 as
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0unreserved bandwidth. "

and draft-i= etf-ospf-link-overload-14 conflicts with that by using 0xfffffffe instead.<= /div>

Regards,
Alia

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 10:26 AM= , Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:
Could a look at the changes in=C2=A0draft-ie= tf-ospf-link-overload-14 happen?

Also, it would be = good to get feedback from TEAS on this document and any concerns.

Thanks,
Alia

On= Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com> wrote:
Deborah Brungard has entered th= e following ballot position for
draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: Discuss

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/s= tatement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload/



-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----
DISCUSS:
-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----

This document is defining a MAX-TE-METRIC of 0xfffffffe. But RFC5817 define= d
0xffffffff to be used for graceful shutdown. I noted an email exchange betw= een
the author and Acee on this where Acee raised the question why RFC5817'= s value
was not used. Shraddha replied "We can if we have the Working Group Co= nsensus".
There was no further discussion.

This document was not shared with teas which is responsible for TE (or ccam= p
which was originally responsible for RFC5817).

Either this value needs to be changed to RFC5817's value or this TE met= ric
needs to be removed from this document until agreement with TEAS.


-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----
COMMENT:
-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----

I found the title of section 7.2 "Controller Based Traffic Engineering=
Deployments" confusing as it only is describing a controller controlli= ng a
path. It is not "TE" in the IETF sense e.g. TE signaling. It woul= d be much less
confusing if say "Controller Based Deployments" and "satisfy= ing the traffic
engineering constraints"/s/"satisfying the constraints". Esp= ecially as for TE,
procedures already do exist.=C2=A0 I noted in the introduction you did refe= rence
RFC5817 MPLS Graceful Shutdown on the procedures when doing a graceful shut= down
of a TE link.




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X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3327124F57; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 08:15:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151689693775.8506.9402596531423127241@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 08:15:37 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-23.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:15:38 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. Title : OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility Authors : Acee Lindem Abhay Roy Dirk Goethals Veerendranatha Reddy Vallem Fred Baker Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-23.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2018-01-25 Abstract: OSPFv3 requires functional extension beyond what can readily be done with the fixed-format Link State Advertisement (LSA) as described in RFC 5340. Without LSA extension, attributes associated with OSPFv3 links and advertised IPv6 prefixes must be advertised in separate LSAs and correlated to the fixed-format LSAs. This document extends the LSA format by encoding the existing OSPFv3 LSA information in Type-Length-Value (TLV) tuples and allowing advertisement of additional information with additional TLVs. Backward compatibility mechanisms are also described. This document updates RFC 5340, "OSPF for IPv6", and RFC 5838, "Support of Address Families in OSPFv3" by providing TLV-based encodings for the base OSPFv3 unicast support and OSPFv3 address family support. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-23 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-23 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-23 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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(3) Section 4.5. mentions that a "new TLV called Graceful-Link-Shutdown is defined" for BGP-LS, but there are no details on the format, etc. The IANA Considerations section suggests a value, not for a TLV but for an NLRI Type= ! OK. Refered section 3.1 of RFC 7752 and described the contents of the TLV IANA section seems ok to me. Could you be more specific what needs to change? BGP-LS Link NLRI Registry [RFC7752] >>>>>>>Registry i)Graceful-Link-Shutdown TLV - Suggested 1101 >>>>>>>TLV type Maybe it=E2=80=99s just me and I just don=E2=80=99t understand=E2=80=A6whic= h is completely possible. There are two points: (1) It looks like you=E2=80=99re defining a new Graceful-Link-Shutdown TLV for = BGP-LS. This TLV (based on the updated description) has no information in it. How does the receiver know which link the sender is referring to? Note that for the OSPF graceful-link-shutdown sub-TLVs, you are indicating where to carry them so that there is an obvious indication of which link is being shutdown. I would like to see explicitly specified how the receiver associates this TLV with the appropriate link. Again, I may be missing the details. (2) The value for the TLV was reserved by IANA in the "BGP-LS NLRI-Types" registry, not in the "BGP-LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute TLVs=E2=80=9D register, which is where I would ha= ve assumed a modifier to the link would reside. IOW, according to the registry you are defining a new NLRI Type, not a new TLV =E2=80=94 and, acc= ording to the updated description in the document there=E2=80=99s no information i= n this NLRI. ... (6) 5.1 says that the metrics "MUST be set to MaxLinkMetric...and SHOULD be set to MAX-TE-METRIC". Why is there a difference? TE is an optional feature so MAX-TE-METRIC needs to be set only when TE is enabled on the node. I think that the use of TE is obvious at the point of setting the metric = =E2=80=94 IOW, if TE is not used then it doesn=E2=80=99t mater what this document say= s. But if TE is used, then having a MUST makes it clear that MAX-TE-METRIC is the metric to be used and that there are no other values or circumstances where a different value should be considered. Alvaro. --001a1134fe58f3087205639c34d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On January 25,= 2018 at 12:31:16 AM, Shraddha Hegde (shraddha@juniper.net) wrote:

Shraddha:

Hi!

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(3) Section 4.5. mentions that a "new = TLV called Graceful-Link-Shutdown is defined" for BGP-LS, but there ar= e no details on the format, etc. The IANA Considerations section suggests a= value, not for a TLV but for an NLRI Type!=C2=A0
<Shraddha> OK. Refered section 3.1 of RFC 7752= and described the contents of the TLV=C2=A0
IANA section seems ok to me. Could you be more specific w= hat needs to change?=C2=A0
=

BGP-LS Link NLRI Registry [RFC7752] >>>>>>>Reg= istry=C2=A0

i)Graceful-= Link-Shutdown TLV - Suggested 1101 >>>>>>>TLV type=C2=A0

Maybe it=E2=80=99s just me and= I just don=E2=80=99t understand=E2=80=A6which is completely possible.=C2= =A0 There are two points:

(1)<= /p>

It looks like you=E2=80=99re defining a new = Graceful-Link-Shutdown TLV for BGP-LS.=C2=A0 This TLV (based on the updated= description) has no information in it.=C2=A0 How does the receiver know wh= ich link the sender is referring to?

= Note that for the OSPF=C2=A0graceful-link-shutdown sub-TLVs, you are indica= ting where to carry them so that there is an obvious indication of which li= nk is being shutdown.=C2=A0 I would like to see explicitly specified how th= e receiver associates this TLV with the appropriate link.=C2=A0 Again, I ma= y be missing the details.

(2)<= /p>

The value for the TLV was reserved by IANA i= n the "BGP-LS NLRI-Types" registry, not in the "BGP-LS Node = Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute TLVs=E2=80=9D= register, which is where I would have assumed a modifier to the link would= reside.=C2=A0 IOW, according to the registry you are defining a new NLRI T= ype, not a new TLV =E2=80=94 and, according to the updated description in t= he document there=E2=80=99s no information in this NLRI.


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(6) 5.1 says that the metrics "MUST be set to MaxLi= nkMetric...and SHOULD be set to MAX-TE-METRIC". Why is there a differe= nce?=C2=A0
<Shraddha>= TE is an optional feature so MAX-TE-METRIC needs to be set only when TE is= enabled on the node.=C2=A0

I thi= nk that the use of TE is obvious at the point of setting the metric =E2=80= =94 IOW, if TE is not used then it doesn=E2=80=99t mater what this document= says.=C2=A0 But if TE is used, then having a MUST makes it clear that MAX-= TE-METRIC is the metric to be used and that there are no other values or ci= rcumstances where a different value should be considered.


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On January 25, 2018 at 11:21:36 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee@cisco.com) wrote: I believe the -23 version clarifies the usage of the N-bit in prefix advertisements. --001a113df02e81de6905639e2acb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
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On Jan= uary 25, 2018 at 11:21:36 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee@cisco.com) wrote:

I believe the -2= 3 version clarifies the usage of the N-bit in prefix advertisements.=
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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v186sm2200569wmf.17.2018.01.25.11.25.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Jan 2018 11:25:26 -0800 (PST) To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" References: <0ae3753a-9037-9199-e61d-b4e15089be73@gmail.com> <5418BD5D-9E5E-49F1-A44C-FC60C3EDF391@cisco.com> <59176f74-28d1-416b-5737-91dbf6d3a833@gmail.com> <5057145faa60474e8870dc2456c3a350@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> <4ec12a3e88ce419eb214da5f3009a4dd@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> <79001995-1461-7087-2b9a-3ef5802c27f6@gmail.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 19:25:25 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8FA424529076A45F96DA55DB" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 19:25:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8FA424529076A45F96DA55DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 25/01/2018 18:59, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > > Stewart - > > *From:*Stewart Bryant [mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 4:32 AM > *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee) > ; Alia Atlas > *Cc:* OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Les > > I agree wrt L2 > > Isn't another focus collecting the information to feed into an SDN > controller via BGP-LS? That is really network layer state collection > rather than routing in the traditional sense. > > */[Les:] Please do not propose such language. This raises the old > discussion about using the IGPs as a transport for “just about > anything”./* > > */We long ago agreed that TE related information was “routing > information” – if for no other reason than it was grandfathered in. > But this does not alter the IGP’s focus on routing./* > > */I know we “stretch” the definition with things like MSD and S-BFD > discriminators, but I see these as carefully considered choices – and > ones w modest impact./* > > */Institutionalizing the IGPs as an “SDN Distribution Protocol” is not > something I want in the charter./* > > */Les/* > > *//* > Hi Les, I don't see it quite like that. I don't think we flood a lot of the SDN specific information do we? We just use the LSP data structures as a convenient encoding, and supplement the information we flood with additional information. If we were flooding it I would share your concern, but I don't see the reuse of the syntax which is what BGP-LS does as quite such a problem. Am I missing something here? - Stewart > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 23:09, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > > It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better > statement as regards IS-IS would be: > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing…” > > though admittedly there isn’t much going on as regards Layer2 and > IS-IS at the moment. > >    Les > > *From:*Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM > *To:* Stewart Bryant > ; Acee Lindem (acee) > ; Alia Atlas > > *Cc:* OSPF List ; > isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work > that falls within the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct > to keep track of the current priorities. > > That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly > maintained – but IS-IS has not) – or it could simply be the list > of active WG documents. > > I just don’t see that we should expect the charter to express > “work in progress” now – or in the future. > > Alia – do you think the statement about IS-IS: > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP routing…” > > Could be improved by saying > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing…” > > ??? > >    Les > > *From:*Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM > *To:* Acee Lindem (acee) >; > Alia Atlas > > *Cc:* OSPF List >; > isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Yes that fixes that. > > How about: > > s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In > addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected > to be an initial focus:/ > > I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in > progress. > > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > How about: > > LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to > the LSR IGPs as > > applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > *From: *Isis-wg > on > behalf of Alia Atlas > *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM > *To: *Stewart Bryant > > *Cc: *OSPF WG List , > "isis-wg@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Hi Stewart, > > Thanks for the quick feedback.  Feel free to provide > suggestions for text changes if you have them. > > You've certainly written enough charters :-) > > Regards, > > Alia > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant > > wrote: > > Alia, > > I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it > will help new features to be written in an aligned way. > > I think the remit to perform general maintenance should > slightly clarified since the way the charter is written > they look like they are at a lower priority than the > enumerated list. > > I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP > and BIER on their extensions " should have been more > directive. > > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group > > that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. > > This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG > telechat on February 8. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is > chartered to document current protocol implementation > practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, > maintenance and extensions of link-state routing > interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on > IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3. The LSR Working Group is > formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take > on all their existing adopted work at the time of > chartering. > > IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO > through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards > with extensions to support IP that has been deployed > in the Internet for decades.  For the IS-IS protocol, > LSR’s work is focused on IP routing, currently based > on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The > LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that > have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. > > OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has > been deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 > [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and > IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or > IPv4 [RFC 7949]. > > The LSR Working Group will generally manage its > specific work items by milestones agreed with the > responsible Area Director. > > The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: > > 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions > using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility. > > 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and > associated architectural changes > > 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and > extensions > > 4) Extensions for source-destination routing > [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing] > > 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific > network topologies such as > > ones commonly used in data centers. > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will > coordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, > SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the > need for extensions and to confirm that the planned > work meets the needs.  LSR can coordinate with CCAMP > and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as > useful.  LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed. > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Isis-wg mailing list > > Isis-wg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg > --------------8FA424529076A45F96DA55DB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



On 25/01/2018 18:59, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote:

Stewart -

 

From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 4:32 AM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

 

Les

I agree wrt L2

Isn't another focus collecting the information to feed into an SDN controller via BGP-LS? That is really network layer  state collection rather than routing in the traditional sense.

 

[Les:] Please do not propose such language. This raises the old discussion about using the IGPs as a transport for “just about anything”.

We long ago agreed that TE related information was “routing information” – if for no other reason than it was grandfathered in. But this does not alter the IGP’s focus on routing.

I know we “stretch” the definition with things like MSD and S-BFD discriminators, but I see these as carefully considered choices – and ones w modest impact.

Institutionalizing the IGPs as an “SDN Distribution Protocol” is not something I want in the charter.

   Les

 


Hi Les,

I don't see it quite like that.

I don't think we flood a lot of the SDN specific information do we? We just use the LSP data structures as a convenient encoding, and supplement the information we flood with additional information.

If we were flooding it I would share your concern, but I don't see the reuse of the syntax which is what BGP-LS does as quite such a problem.

Am I missing something here?

- Stewart
 

- Stewart

 

On 24/01/2018 23:09, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote:

It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better statement as regards IS-IS would be:

 

“LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing…”

 

though admittedly there isn’t much going on as regards Layer2 and IS-IS at the moment.

 

   Les

 

 

From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>; Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work that falls within the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct to keep track of the current priorities.

That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly maintained – but IS-IS has not) – or it could simply be the list of active WG documents.

I just don’t see that we should expect the charter to express “work in progress” now – or in the future.

 

Alia – do you think the statement about IS-IS:

 

“LSR’s work is focused on IP routing…”

 

Could be improved by saying

 

“LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing…”

 

???

 

   Les

 

 

From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Yes that fixes that.

How about:

s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/

I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress.

- Stewart

 

On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:

How about:

 

LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as

applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. 

 

Thanks,

Acee

 

From: Isis-wg <isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis-wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Hi Stewart,

 

Thanks for the quick feedback.  Feel free to provide suggestions for text changes if you have them.

You've certainly written enough charters :-)

 

Regards,

Alia

 

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

Alia,

I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new features to be written in an aligned way.

I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarified since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list.

I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions " should have been more directive.

- Stewart

 

On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote:

Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group

that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups.

 

This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8.

 

 

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.  The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering.

 

IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades.  For the IS-IS protocol, LSR’s work is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS.

 

OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949].

 

The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director.

 

The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:

 

1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility.

2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural changes

3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions

4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]

5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies such as 

ones commonly used in data centers.

 

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the needs.  LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.  LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed.

 

Regards,

Alia




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boundary="f4030435c280363dcf0563a532e5" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 03:07:30 -0000 --f4030435c280363dcf0563a532e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew, I like that improvement. Thanks, Alia On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 9:06 PM, Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore) < andrew.dolganow@nokia.com> wrote: > One comment =E2=80=93 I would add a bit of text at the end of the below-q= uoted > sentence to ensure that =E2=80=9Cextensions planned to meet the needs=E2= =80=9D do not > create stability/performance problems to IGPs. I proposed a text in red f= or > that: > > > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other > working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to > understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work > meets the needs and is compatible with both IS-IS and OSPF from > functional, architectural and performance point of views > > > > Andrew > > > > *From: *Isis-wg on behalf of Alia Atlas < > akatlas@gmail.com> > *Date: *Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 1:19 AM > *To: *"isis-wg@ietf.org" , OSPF List > *Subject: *[Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > > > Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group > > that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. > > > > This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8= . > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ > > > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document > current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usag= e > scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior > gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3. The > LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will tak= e > on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering. > > > > IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 > and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been > deployed in the Internet for decades. For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80= =99s work > is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 wi= th > ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that > have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. > > > > OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the > Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for > IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 794= 9]. > > > > The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by > milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director. > > > > The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: > > > > 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA > Extendibility. > > 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural > changes > > 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions > > 4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src- > routing] > > 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies > such as > > ones commonly used in data centers. > > > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other > working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to > understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work > meets the needs. LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their > extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful. LSR may coordinate with other WGs = as > needed. > > > > Regards, > > Alia > --f4030435c280363dcf0563a532e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andrew,


I like that impr= ovement.

Thanks,
Alia

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at = 9:06 PM, Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore) <andrew.dolganow@= nokia.com> wrote:

One comment =E2=80=93 I would a= dd a bit of text at the end of the below-quoted sentence to ensure that =E2= =80=9Cextensions planned to meet the needs=E2=80=9D do not create stability= /performance problems to IGPs. I proposed a text in red for that:

=C2=A0

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coor= dinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS,= and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the pl= anned work meets the needs and is compatible with both IS-IS and OSPF from f= unctional, architectural and performance point of views

=C2=A0

Andrew=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Isis-wg <isis-wg-bounces@ietf= .org> on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 1:19 AM
To: "isis= -wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>, OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>
Subject: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

=C2=A0

Here is the proposed charter for the LSR work= ing group

that will be crea= ted from the SPF and ISIS working groups.

=C2=A0<= /u>

This is scheduled= for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8.

=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

The Link-State Ro= uting (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current protocol impleme= ntation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols (IGPs) wit= h a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.=C2=A0 The LSR Working Group is form= ed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing ado= pted work at the time of chartering.

=C2=A0<= /u>

IS-IS is an IGP s= pecified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC = standards with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Inter= net for decades.=C2=A0 For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80=99s work is focused o= n IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC= 6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have responsib= le for standardizing IS-IS.

=C2=A0<= /u>

OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 = and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the Internet for decad= es. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC583= 8] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949].<= /p>

=C2=A0<= /u>

The LSR Working G= roup will generally manage its specific work items by milestones agreed wit= h the responsible Area Director.

=C2=A0<= /u>

The following top= ics are expected to be an initial focus:

=C2=A0<= /u>

1) Improving OSPF= support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility.<= /u>

2) Extensions nee= ded for Segment Routing and associated architectural changes<= /span>

3) YANG models fo= r IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions

4) Extensions for= source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]<= u>

5) Potentially, e= xtensions to better support specific network topologies such as=C2=A0

ones commonly use= d in data centers.

=C2=A0<= /u>

The Link-State Ro= uting (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other working groups, such a= s RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the needs.=C2=A0 LSR= can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as = useful.=C2=A0 LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed.

=C2=A0<= /u>

Regards,

Alia


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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3599753221_292533547 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable +2 =20 we already have a kitchen-sink protocol to do so=E2=80=A6 =20 Cheers, Jeff =20 From: OSPF on behalf of "Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - = SG/Singapore)" Date: Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 18:02 To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Stewart Bryant , Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter =20 +1 to that =20 From: Isis-wg on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" = Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 3:18 AM To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Stewart Bryant , Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter =20 I agree with Les about being selective about LSR non-routing usage. =20 Thanks, Acee =20 From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Date: Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 1:59 PM To: Stewart Bryant , Acee Lindem = , Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF WG List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter =20 Stewart - =20 From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 4:32 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee) ; Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter =20 =20 Les I agree wrt L2 Isn't another focus collecting the information to feed into an SDN controll= er via BGP-LS? That is really network layer state collection rather than ro= uting in the traditional sense. =20 [Les:] Please do not propose such language. This raises the old discussion = about using the IGPs as a transport for =E2=80=9Cjust about anything=E2=80=9D. We long ago agreed that TE related information was =E2=80=9Crouting information=E2=80= =9D =E2=80=93 if for no other reason than it was grandfathered in. But this does not= alter the IGP=E2=80=99s focus on routing. I know we =E2=80=9Cstretch=E2=80=9D the definition with things like MSD and S-BFD discr= iminators, but I see these as carefully considered choices =E2=80=93 and ones w mo= dest impact. Institutionalizing the IGPs as an =E2=80=9CSDN Distribution Protocol=E2=80=9D is not so= mething I want in the charter. Les =20 - Stewart =20 On 24/01/2018 23:09, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better statement as reg= ards IS-IS would be: =20 =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D =20 though admittedly there isn=E2=80=99t much going on as regards Layer2 and IS-IS a= t the moment.=20 =20 Les =20 =20 From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (= ginsberg) Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM To: Stewart Bryant ; Acee Lindem (acee) ; Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter =20 Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work that falls w= ithin the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct to keep track of the cu= rrent priorities. That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly maintained =E2= =80=93 but IS-IS has not) =E2=80=93 or it could simply be the list of active WG docume= nts. I just don=E2=80=99t see that we should expect the charter to express =E2=80=9Cwork in = progress=E2=80=9D now =E2=80=93 or in the future. =20 Alia =E2=80=93 do you think the statement about IS-IS: =20 =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D =20 Could be improved by saying =20 =E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D =20 ??? =20 Les =20 =20 From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM To: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Alia Atlas Cc: OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter =20 Yes that fixes that. How about: s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition to= ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be an initial foc= us:/ I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress. - Stewart =20 On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: How about: =20 LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs= as applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale.=20 =20 Thanks, Acee=20 =20 From: Isis-wg on behalf of Alia Atlas Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM To: Stewart Bryant Cc: OSPF WG List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter =20 Hi Stewart,=20 =20 Thanks for the quick feedback. Feel free to provide suggestions for text c= hanges if you have them. You've certainly written enough charters :-) =20 Regards, Alia =20 On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant = wrote: Alia, I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new fe= atures to be written in an aligned way. I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarified = since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower prio= rity than the enumerated list. I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their = extensions " should have been more directive.=20 - Stewart=20 =20 On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group=20 that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. =20 This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8. =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ =20 The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current= protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenario= s, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protoco= ls (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3. The LSR Working Group = is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existi= ng adopted work at the time of chartering. =20 IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 an= d additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been deplo= yed in the Internet for decades. For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80=99s work is fo= cused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/J= TC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have resp= onsible for standardizing IS-IS. =20 OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the I= nternet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 = and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949]. =20 The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by mile= stones agreed with the responsible Area Director. =20 The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: =20 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendib= ility. 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural chang= es 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions 4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-rout= ing] 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies su= ch as=20 ones commonly used in data centers. =20 The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other worki= ng groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand= the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the need= s. LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IG= Ps as useful. LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed. =20 Regards, Alia _______________________________________________ Isis-wg mailing list Isis-wg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg =20 =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf= .org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf=20 --B_3599753221_292533547 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

+2

&n= bsp;

we al= ready have a kitchen-sink protocol to do so=E2=80=A6

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,

Jeff

 

= From: OSPF <ospf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Dolganow, Andrew (N= okia - SG/Singapore)" <andrew.dolganow@nokia.com>
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 18:02
To: "Acee Lindem (acee)&= quot; <acee@cisco.com>, "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsbe= rg@cisco.com>, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Alia Atla= s <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>, &= quot;isis-wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: = [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

+1 to that

 

From: I= sis-wg <isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee= )" <acee@cisco.com>
Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 3= :18 AM
To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.= com>, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Alia Atlas <aka= tlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis= -wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg]= Link-State Routing WG charter

 <= o:p>

I agree with Les about being selective about LSR non-rout= ing usage.

=  

Thanks,

Acee

 

From= : "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)&qu= ot; <ginsberg@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2018 at= 1:59 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Acee= Lindem <acee@cisco.com>, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
C= c: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis-wg@ietf.org" <= isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG = charter

 

Stewa= rt -

 

From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:stewart.brya= nt@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 4:32 AM
To:<= /b> Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Acee Lindem (acee) &= lt;acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OS= PF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis= -wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

 

Les<= /p>

I agree wrt L2

Isn't another focus collecting the information to feed into an= SDN controller via BGP-LS? That is really network layer  state collect= ion rather than routing in the traditional sense.

 

[Les:] Please do= not propose such language. This raises the old discussion about using the I= GPs as a transport for =E2=80=9Cjust about anything=E2=80=9D.<= /p>

We long ag= o agreed that TE related information was =E2=80=9Crouting information=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 if fo= r no other reason than it was grandfathered in. But this does not alter the = IGP=E2=80=99s focus on routing.

I know we =E2=80=9Cstretch=E2=80=9D the defini= tion with things like MSD and S-BFD discriminators, but I see these as caref= ully considered choices =E2=80=93 and ones w modest impact.

Instit= utionalizing the IGPs as an =E2=80=9CSDN Distribution Protocol=E2=80=9D is not something= I want in the charter.

   Les=

&nb= sp;

- Stewart=

 

=

On 24/01/2018 23:09, Les G= insberg (ginsberg) wrote:

It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a = better statement as regards IS-IS would be:

 <= o:p>

=E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

 

though admittedly there isn=E2=80=99t mu= ch going on as regards Layer2 and IS-IS at the moment.

&n= bsp;

   Les

 =

 

From: Isis-wg [= mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsb= erg)
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM
To: Stewa= rt Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail= .com>; Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@ci= sco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@g= mail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <= ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter=

 

Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work that= falls within the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct to keep track o= f the current priorities.

That could be the list of milest= ones (which OSPF has regularly maintained =E2=80=93 but IS-IS has not) =E2=80=93 or it c= ould simply be the list of active WG documents.

I just don= =E2=80=99t see that we should expect the charter to express =E2=80=9Cwork in progress=E2=80=9D= now =E2=80=93 or in the future.

 

Alia =E2= =80=93 do you think the statement about IS-IS:

 

=E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

&= nbsp;

Could be improved by saying

 =

=E2=80=9CLSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

 

???

 

   Les

 

 <= /span>

From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg= -bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: We= dnesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List = <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-S= tate Routing WG charter

 

= Yes that fixes that.

How about:

s/The following topics are expecte= d to be an initial focus:/ In addition to ongoing maintenance, the following= topics are expected to be an initial focus:/

I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in = progress.

- Stewart

 

On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (a= cee) wrote:

How about:

 

LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on thei= r extensions to the LSR IGPs as

<isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org>= on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.c= om>
Date: Wednesday, = January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.br= yant@gmail.com>
Cc: O= SPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis= -wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.or= g>
Subject: Re: [Isis= -wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Hi Stewart,

 

Thanks for the quick feedback.  = Feel free to provide suggestions for text changes if you have them.

You've certain= ly written enough charters :-)

 

Regards,

Alia

 

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryan= t <stewart.brya= nt@gmail.com> wrote:

Alia,

I= think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new feat= ures to be written in an aligned way.

I think the remit to perform ge= neral maintenance should slightly clarified since the way the charter is wri= tten they look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list.
I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER= on their extensions " should have been more directive.

- Stewa= rt

 <= /p>

On 24/01/2018 17:18, Al= ia Atlas wrote:

Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group

that will be create= d from the SPF and ISIS working groups.

 

This is scheduled for internal review for= the IESG telechat on February 8.

 

 

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document= current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage = scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway= protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.  The LSR W= orking Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all= their existing adopted work at the time of chartering.

=

 

IS-IS is an IGP specified= and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards= with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for de= cades.  For the IS-IS protocol, LSR=E2=80=99s work is focused on IP routing, = currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG w= ill interact with other standards bodies that have responsible for standardi= zing IS-IS.

 

OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in= the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for= IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949]= .

&nbs= p;

The= LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by mileston= es agreed with the responsible Area Director.

 

The following topics are expected t= o be an initial focus:

 

1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OS= PFv3 LSA Extendibility.

2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated ar= chitectural changes

3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions

4) Exten= sions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]=

5) Potenti= ally, extensions to better support specific network topologies such as =

ones = commonly used in data centers.

 

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will co= ordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS= , and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the pl= anned work meets the needs.  LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on = their extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.  LSR may coordinate with ot= her WGs as needed.

 

Regards,

Alia







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etf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg

 

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S On 26/01/2018 03:27, Jeff Tantsura wrote: > > +2 > > we already have a kitchen-sink protocol to do so… > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > *From: *OSPF on behalf of "Dolganow, Andrew > (Nokia - SG/Singapore)" > *Date: *Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 18:02 > *To: *"Acee Lindem (acee)" , "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" > , Stewart Bryant , Alia > Atlas > *Cc: *OSPF List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > +1 to that > > *From: *Isis-wg on behalf of "Acee Lindem > (acee)" > *Date: *Friday, January 26, 2018 at 3:18 AM > *To: *"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Stewart Bryant > , Alia Atlas > *Cc: *OSPF List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > I agree with Les about being selective about LSR non-routing usage. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > *From: *"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" > *Date: *Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 1:59 PM > *To: *Stewart Bryant , Acee Lindem > , Alia Atlas > *Cc: *OSPF WG List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" > *Subject: *RE: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Stewart - > > *From:*Stewart Bryant [mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 4:32 AM > *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee) > ; Alia Atlas > *Cc:* OSPF List ; isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Les > > I agree wrt L2 > > Isn't another focus collecting the information to feed into an SDN > controller via BGP-LS? That is really network layer  state collection > rather than routing in the traditional sense. > > */[Les:] Please do not propose such language. This raises the old > discussion about using the IGPs as a transport for “just about > anything”./* > > */We long ago agreed that TE related information was “routing > information” – if for no other reason than it was grandfathered in. > But this does not alter the IGP’s focus on routing./* > > */I know we “stretch” the definition with things like MSD and S-BFD > discriminators, but I see these as carefully considered choices – and > ones w modest impact./* > > */Institutionalizing the IGPs as an “SDN Distribution Protocol” is not > something I want in the charter./* > > */Les/* > > *//* > > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 23:09, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > > It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better > statement as regards IS-IS would be: > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing…” > > though admittedly there isn’t much going on as regards Layer2 and > IS-IS at the moment. > >    Les > > *From:*Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM > *To:* Stewart Bryant > ; Acee Lindem (acee) > ; Alia Atlas > > *Cc:* OSPF List ; > isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work > that falls within the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct > to keep track of the current priorities. > > That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly > maintained – but IS-IS has not) – or it could simply be the list > of active WG documents. > > I just don’t see that we should expect the charter to express > “work in progress” now – or in the future. > > Alia – do you think the statement about IS-IS: > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP routing…” > > Could be improved by saying > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing…” > > ??? > >    Les > > *From:*Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM > *To:* Acee Lindem (acee) >; > Alia Atlas > > *Cc:* OSPF List >; > isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Yes that fixes that. > > How about: > > s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In > addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected > to be an initial focus:/ > > I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in > progress. > > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > How about: > > LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to > the LSR IGPs as > > applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > *From: *Isis-wg > on behalf of Alia Atlas > > *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM > *To: *Stewart Bryant > > *Cc: *OSPF WG List , > "isis-wg@ietf.org" > > *Subject: *Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Hi Stewart, > > Thanks for the quick feedback.  Feel free to provide > suggestions for text changes if you have them. > > You've certainly written enough charters :-) > > Regards, > > Alia > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant > > > wrote: > > Alia, > > I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it > will help new features to be written in an aligned way. > > I think the remit to perform general maintenance should > slightly clarified since the way the charter is written > they look like they are at a lower priority than the > enumerated list. > > I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP > and BIER on their extensions " should have been more > directive. > > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group > > that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. > > This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG > telechat on February 8. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is > chartered to document current protocol implementation > practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, > maintenance and extensions of link-state routing > interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on > IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.  The LSR Working Group is > formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take > on all their existing adopted work at the time of > chartering. > > IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO > through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards > with extensions to support IP that has been deployed > in the Internet for decades.  For the IS-IS protocol, > LSR’s work is focused on IP routing, currently based > on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The > LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that > have responsible for standardizing IS-IS. > > OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has > been deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 > [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and > IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or > IPv4 [RFC 7949]. > > The LSR Working Group will generally manage its > specific work items by milestones agreed with the > responsible Area Director. > > The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: > > 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions > using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility. > > 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and > associated architectural changes > > 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and > extensions > > 4) Extensions for source-destination routing > [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing] > > 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific > network topologies such as > > ones commonly used in data centers. > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will > coordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, > SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the > need for extensions and to confirm that the planned > work meets the needs.  LSR can coordinate with CCAMP > and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as > useful.  LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed. > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Isis-wg mailing list > > Isis-wg@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg > > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > --------------B0CD4264C72697275D1D35E6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

OK, I know when I am in the rough.

S


On 26/01/2018 03:27, Jeff Tantsura wrote:

+2

 

we already have a kitchen-sink protocol to do so…

 

Cheers,

Jeff

 

From: OSPF <ospf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)" <andrew.dolganow@nokia.com>
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 18:02
To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>, "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis-wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

+1 to that

 

From: Isis-wg <isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 3:18 AM
To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis-wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

I agree with Les about being selective about LSR non-routing usage.

 

Thanks,

Acee

 

From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 1:59 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis-wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Stewart -

 

From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 4:32 AM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

 

Les

I agree wrt L2

Isn't another focus collecting the information to feed into an SDN controller via BGP-LS? That is really network layer  state collection rather than routing in the traditional sense.

 

[Les:] Please do not propose such language. This raises the old discussion about using the IGPs as a transport for “just about anything”.

We long ago agreed that TE related information was “routing information” – if for no other reason than it was grandfathered in. But this does not alter the IGP’s focus on routing.

I know we “stretch” the definition with things like MSD and S-BFD discriminators, but I see these as carefully considered choices – and ones w modest impact.

Institutionalizing the IGPs as an “SDN Distribution Protocol” is not something I want in the charter.

   Les

 

- Stewart

 

On 24/01/2018 23:09, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote:

It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better statement as regards IS-IS would be:

 

“LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing…”

 

though admittedly there isn’t much going on as regards Layer2 and IS-IS at the moment.

 

   Les

 

 

From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>; Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work that falls within the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct to keep track of the current priorities.

That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly maintained – but IS-IS has not) – or it could simply be the list of active WG documents.

I just don’t see that we should expect the charter to express “work in progress” now – or in the future.

 

Alia – do you think the statement about IS-IS:

 

“LSR’s work is focused on IP routing…”

 

Could be improved by saying

 

“LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing…”

 

???

 

   Les

 

 

From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Yes that fixes that.

How about:

s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/

I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress.

- Stewart

 

On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:

How about:

 

LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as

applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. 

 

Thanks,

Acee

 

From: Isis-wg <isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Cc: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>, "isis-wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter

 

Hi Stewart,

 

Thanks for the quick feedback.  Feel free to provide suggestions for text changes if you have them.

You've certainly written enough charters :-)

 

Regards,

Alia

 

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

Alia,

I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it will help new features to be written in an aligned way.

I think the remit to perform general maintenance should slightly clarified since the way the charter is written they look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list.

I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions " should have been more directive.

- Stewart

 

On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote:

Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group

that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups.

 

This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG telechat on February 8.

 

 

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to document current protocol implementation practices and improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and extensions of link-state routing interior gateway protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3.  The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing adopted work at the time of chartering.

 

IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades.  For the IS-IS protocol, LSR’s work is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact with other standards bodies that have responsible for standardizing IS-IS.

 

OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949].

 

The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area Director.

 

The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:

 

1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility.

2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated architectural changes

3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions

4) Extensions for source-destination routing [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing]

5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific network topologies such as 

ones commonly used in data centers.

 

The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the needs.  LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful.  LSR may coordinate with other WGs as needed.

 

Regards,

Alia







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This is a significant rewrite, please read and provide comments. Summary of the changes: 1. clarified that this draft only specifies the SR extension for MPLS data plane. SRv6 extension will be specified in a different document. As a result section 3.5 (SR-Forwarding Capabilities) has been removed. 2. SID/Label Sub-TLV code point changed fro 3 to 7, because 3 has been defined in draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-23 for Route Tag sub-TLV. 3. SR Local Block Sub-TLV code point changed from 12 to 14 and SRMS Preference Sub-TLV code point changed from 13 to 15. These values are sharing the same registry with OSPF2 and original values has been taken for other extensions. 4. Address Family in OSPFv3 Extended Prefix Range TLV has been defined for both IPv4 and IPv6 unicast, IPv4 taking the value 0 and IPv6 taking the value 1 (changed from 0). IPv4 AF was added to support the IPv4 multi-instance case. Value 0 is now consistently used in both OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 SR drafts for IPv4 AF. 5 section 6 (SID/Label Binding Sub-TLV) has been removed, similar to what has been done for OSPFv2 SR draft. 6 Security Consideration section has been added. 7. References have been updated 8. lots of comments that were addressed in OSPFv2 SR draft during the RTGDIR, OPSDIR, GENART, etc., reviews have been incorporated. OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 drafts are now back in sync. thanks, Peter On 26/01/18 16:03 , internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. > > Title : OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing > Authors : Peter Psenak > Clarence Filsfils > Stefano Previdi > Hannes Gredler > Rob Shakir > Wim Henderickx > Jeff Tantsura > Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-11.txt > Pages : 28 > Date : 2018-01-26 > > Abstract: > Segment Routing (SR) allows a flexible definition of end-to-end paths > within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topological > sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by the > link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). > > This draft describes the OSPFv3 extensions required for Segment > Routing. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-11 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-11 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-11 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > . > From nobody Sun Jan 28 22:04:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7CA127873; Sun, 28 Jan 2018 22:04:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151720586692.3093.17017786323965463707@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 22:04:26 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-04.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 06:04:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. Title : H-bit Support for OSPFv2 Authors : Keyur Patel Padma Pillay-Esnault Manish Bhardwaj Serpil Bayraktar Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-04.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2018-01-28 Abstract: OSPFv3 defines an option field for router-LSAs known as a R-bit in RFC5340. If the R-bit is clear, an OSPFv3 router can participate in OSPF topology distribution without acting as a forwarder to forward the transit traffic. In such cases, an OSPF router would only accept traffic intended for local delivery. This draft defines R-bit functionality for OSPFv2 defined in RFC2328. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv2-hbit/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jan 29 08:22:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2541912EC5B; Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:22:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com, ospf@ietf.org, Peter Psenak , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ospf-chairs@ietf.org, ppsenak@cisco.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151724292314.13004.18039571530702726950.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:22:03 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Protocol Action: 'OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-23.txt) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 16:22:03 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility' (draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend-23.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Open Shortest Path First IGP Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-lsa-extend/ Technical Summary This document extends the OSPFv3 LSA format by encoding the existing OSPFv3 LSA information in Type-Length-Value (TLV) tuples and allowing advertisement of additional information with additional TLVs. Backward compatibility mechanisms are also described. Working Group Summary There has been significant discussion of the draft by the authors and the vendors implementing the draft (Nokia and Huawei). There have been numerous iterations and the backward compatibility scenarios have been simplified. Document Quality The document has been implemented by a couple vendors and several OSPFv3 extensions are based on this document. It has been stable for more than a year with only a couple minor encoding corrections. Personnel Peter Psenak is the Document Shepherd. Alia Atlas is the Responsible Area Director. From nobody Tue Jan 30 05:11:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietf.org Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A1F131851; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 05:11:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151731787540.27488.14111387915689532214@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 05:11:15 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-03.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 13:11:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. Title : OSPFv2 Link Traffic Engineering (TE) Attribute Reuse Authors : Peter Psenak Acee Lindem Les Ginsberg Wim Henderickx Jeff Tantsura Hannes Gredler John Drake Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-03.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-01-30 Abstract: Various link attributes have been defined in OSPFv2 in the context of the MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) and GMPLS. Many of these link attributes can be used for purposes other than MPLS Traffic Engineering or GMPLS. This documents defines how to distribute such attributes in OSPFv2 for applications other than MPLS Traffic Engineering or GMPLS purposes. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1801310046 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 03:44:39 -0000 Ketan, Thanks for comments. Pls see inline... -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 1:58 PM To: Shraddha Hegde ; Alvaro Retana ; The IESG Cc: ospf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; ospf-chairs@ietf= .org Subject: RE: Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-= 13: (with COMMENT) Hi Shraddha, A few comments and observations in the ver 14 and apologies for not providi= ng some of them earlier, but I had a closer review after looking at Alvaro'= s comments and many improvements have happened recently. Related to BGP-LS TLV: For sec 4.5 - please mention the type here since the IANA section would get= taken off by RFC editor. While you do refer to RFC7752 sec 3.1 for the TLV= - I think it would be more reader friendly to describe the TLV and the cod= e point in this section inline like the OSPF TLVs. OK updated in new version For sec 10, the BGP-LS registry being referred to is wrong and it should be= " BGP-LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribut= e TLVs" and the suggested codepoint is already taken so I would suggest to = request for 1121. I believe this was pointed out during the early allocatio= n call but seems like it got missed out so could you please correct/update? ok. updated latest version. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.iana.org_assignm= ents_bgp-2Dls-2Dparameters_bgp-2Dls-2Dparameters.xhtml&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DHAkYu= h63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DNyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bp= bBaNqzCNrng&m=3DXBYEEARnw7lDAsfkNEsBkAkyVwYGvQ-2jj6E-wcs7TM&s=3DEL7ViyIcLwx= x16_SC9EcrtseFsVFllPPOAYXwlPcUGk&e=3D=20 Suggest making the section describing Maximum TE Metric before the current = Sec 5 - Elements of procedure so the flow is better for the reader. We will use 0xffffffff so the definition is going away in new ve= rsion. Sec 5.1=20 Instead of using SHOULD for TE metric, it would be better to qualify as " W= hen TE is enabled, the TE metric of the link MUST be set to MAX-TE-METRIC (= 0xfffffffe) and the node MUST re-originate the corresponding TE Link Opaque= LSAs." I think there should be an option of not following procedures de= fined in this document if traffic engineering applications don't need it (c= hanging reverse side metric). I can't think of a usecase right now but I th= ink this flexibility is needed. s/ MAX-TE-METRIC (0xfffffffe).// s/ The TE metric SHOULD be set / The TE metric of the link SHOULD be set ack s/ link and set the metric to MaxLinkMetric / link and set its metric to Ma= xLinkMetric ack s/ The TE metric SHOULD be set to MAX-TE-METRIC (0xfffffffe) and the TE opa= que LSA for the link SHOULD be re-originated with new value./ Similarly, wh= en TE is enabled, the remote node MUST set the TE metric for the link to MA= X-TE-METRIC (0xfffffffe) and MUST re-originate the TE Link Opaque LSA for t= he link with new value. ack except the MUST. A couple of sentences describing the different LSAs that come into play for= OSPFv3 would be helpful in this section as well. Just as done in sec 3. Th= e thing is that the OSPFv3 LSAs and especially it's equivalent TE LSAs are = different. In fact RFC5329 is not being referred to as NORMATIVE and so doe= s that imply we don't want to do similar action with TE metric in case of O= SPFv3?. So it would be good to specify or clarify that part. Perhaps in gen= eral at start of sec 5 so the text in the rest of sub-sections are link-typ= e specifics and generic to OSPF without naming any LSAs there? refered RFC 5329 in section 5 Sec 5.4 Unnumbered interfaces IMHO this text is very similar to Sec 4.7 which talks about how to identify= parallel links. Perhaps sec 5.4 should become Sec 4.8 since what is does i= s explain how the correlation of links is done for unnumbered links. Altern= ately, this explanation can be put under Sec 4.3 where the Local/Remote ID = TLV is specified since this mechanism is going to be common for other use-c= ase of this general purpose TLV. I think this section is needed as the previous section on Remote= IPv4 address does not talk about unnumbered interfaces Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Shraddha Hegde Sent: 25 January 2018 11:01 To: Alvaro Retana ; The IESG Cc: ospf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; ospf-chairs@ietf= .org Subject: Re: [OSPF] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-ov= erload-13: (with COMMENT) Alvaro, Thanks for the review and comments. Pls see inline.. Rgds Shraddha -----Original Message----- From: Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 11:27 PM To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; Acee Lindem ; o= spf-chairs@ietf.org; ospf@ietf.org Subject: Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: = (with COMMENT) Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email= addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.= ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuh= r6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DNyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzC= Nrng&m=3D2yotvig0Pod2iYz1kE1G9Yj72-TdzzWuw-Wi17D6TfU&s=3D8uPkIAPxrIiuVMLudg= aSbVjvc-3iZNkLaXrmc6GJpZM&e=3D for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org= _doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dospf-2Dlink-2Doverload_&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Sc= bfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DNyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng= &m=3D2yotvig0Pod2iYz1kE1G9Yj72-TdzzWuw-Wi17D6TfU&s=3D5Dmkf-qOIfCiHPCyuj-sVN= DcS904luv_ECpSb3D5HVM&e=3D ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I debated about filing my first comment as a DISCUSS [1], but decided again= st it because it should be very easy to solve. The rest are non-blocking c= omments. (1) The following should be Normative references: rfc2119 and rfc6987 -- th= is last one because MaxLinkMetric (which is defined there) is extensively u= sed (as a MUST) throughout the document. OK (2) Section 3. (Flooding Scope) provides information about the flooding sco= pe, but only references for OSPFv2. It would be nice if the references for= OSPFv3 were included there as well. OK (3) Section 4.5. mentions that a "new TLV called Graceful-Link-Shutdown is = defined" for BGP-LS, but there are no details on the format, etc. The IANA= Considerations section suggests a value, not for a TLV but for an NLRI Typ= e! OK. Refered section 3.1 of RFC 7752 and described the contents o= f the TLV IANA section seems ok to me. Could you be more specific what need= s to change? BGP-LS Link NLRI Registry [RFC7752] >>>>>>>Registry i)Graceful-Link-Shutdown TLV - Suggested 1101 >>>>>>>TLV type (4) Section 5: "The node that has the link to be taken out of service SHOUL= D advertise the Graceful-Link-Shutdown sub-TLV..." When would the node not= advertise the sub-TLV? IOW, why is "MUST" not used? Thanks for pointing out. Changed to MUST. (5) In 5.1: "MAX-TE-METRIC is a constant defined by this draft and set to 0= xfffffffe." Assuming that the intent is to define a new architectural cons= tant... I would rather see this constant defined separately (in it's own se= ction/sub-section with a formal definition) instead of "in passing" while d= escribing how to use it (a la MaxLinkMetric in rfc6987). OK (6) 5.1 says that the metrics "MUST be set to MaxLinkMetric...and SHOULD be= set to MAX-TE-METRIC". Why is there a difference? TE is an optional feature so MAX-TE-METRIC needs to be set only = when TE is enabled on the node. (7) s/MAX_METRIC/MaxLinkMetric ok. 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mapi id 15.00.1320.000; Tue, 30 Jan 2018 22:50:52 -0600 From: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" To: Shraddha Hegde , Alvaro Retana , The IESG CC: "ospf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org" , "ospf-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHTlZ3F/y/bSKmdaUqaxk/ocqLzTqOELrAAgAmWRID//6qZoA== Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 04:50:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <151681659533.22557.7134296491991402002.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <50a7964a6ae743e4b839991cb0c31e2e@XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.65.35.87] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 04:51:10 -0000 Hi Shraddha, Thanks for addressing most of the comments and please see a couple of respo= nses in-line below for the outstanding ones. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: Shraddha Hegde [mailto:shraddha@juniper.net]=20 Sent: 31 January 2018 09:15 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; Alvaro Retana ; The IESG Cc: ospf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; ospf-chairs@ietf= .org Subject: RE: Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-= 13: (with COMMENT) Ketan, Thanks for comments. Pls see inline... -----Original Message----- From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) [mailto:ketant@cisco.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 1:58 PM To: Shraddha Hegde ; Alvaro Retana ; The IESG Cc: ospf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; ospf-chairs@ietf= .org Subject: RE: Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-= 13: (with COMMENT) Hi Shraddha, A few comments and observations in the ver 14 and apologies for not providi= ng some of them earlier, but I had a closer review after looking at Alvaro'= s comments and many improvements have happened recently. Related to BGP-LS TLV: For sec 4.5 - please mention the type here since the IANA section would get= taken off by RFC editor. While you do refer to RFC7752 sec 3.1 for the TLV= - I think it would be more reader friendly to describe the TLV and the cod= e point in this section inline like the OSPF TLVs. OK updated in new version For sec 10, the BGP-LS registry being referred to is wrong and it should be= " BGP-LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribut= e TLVs" and the suggested codepoint is already taken so I would suggest to = request for 1121. I believe this was pointed out during the early allocatio= n call but seems like it got missed out so could you please correct/update? ok. updated latest version. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.iana.org_assignm= ents_bgp-2Dls-2Dparameters_bgp-2Dls-2Dparameters.xhtml&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DHAkYu= h63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DNyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bp= bBaNqzCNrng&m=3DXBYEEARnw7lDAsfkNEsBkAkyVwYGvQ-2jj6E-wcs7TM&s=3DEL7ViyIcLwx= x16_SC9EcrtseFsVFllPPOAYXwlPcUGk&e=3D=20 Suggest making the section describing Maximum TE Metric before the current = Sec 5 - Elements of procedure so the flow is better for the reader. We will use 0xffffffff so the definition is going away in new ve= rsion. Sec 5.1=20 Instead of using SHOULD for TE metric, it would be better to qualify as " W= hen TE is enabled, the TE metric of the link MUST be set to MAX-TE-METRIC (= 0xfffffffe) and the node MUST re-originate the corresponding TE Link Opaque= LSAs." I think there should be an option of not following procedures de= fined in this document if traffic engineering applications don't need it (c= hanging reverse side metric). I can't think of a usecase right now but I th= ink this flexibility is needed. [KT] This document brought in a key difference from the previous (i.e. RFC6= 987 & RFC5817) in that when OSPF (in general IGPs) signal a link graceful s= hutdown/maintenance then it applies not just to the native IGP SPF but also= other applications that run on top of it and rely for topology and floodin= g info - mainly TE. When the link (or even a node) is going to be brought d= own for graceful shutdown/maintenance then I don't see how it is still goin= g to be OK for TE to use it. In any case, perhaps SHOULD is a strong enough= statement but IMHO MUST would be more appropriate. s/ MAX-TE-METRIC (0xfffffffe).// s/ The TE metric SHOULD be set / The TE metric of the link SHOULD be set ack s/ link and set the metric to MaxLinkMetric / link and set its metric to Ma= xLinkMetric ack s/ The TE metric SHOULD be set to MAX-TE-METRIC (0xfffffffe) and the TE opa= que LSA for the link SHOULD be re-originated with new value./ Similarly, wh= en TE is enabled, the remote node MUST set the TE metric for the link to MA= X-TE-METRIC (0xfffffffe) and MUST re-originate the TE Link Opaque LSA for t= he link with new value. ack except the MUST. A couple of sentences describing the different LSAs that come into play for= OSPFv3 would be helpful in this section as well. Just as done in sec 3. Th= e thing is that the OSPFv3 LSAs and especially it's equivalent TE LSAs are = different. In fact RFC5329 is not being referred to as NORMATIVE and so doe= s that imply we don't want to do similar action with TE metric in case of O= SPFv3?. So it would be good to specify or clarify that part. Perhaps in gen= eral at start of sec 5 so the text in the rest of sub-sections are link-typ= e specifics and generic to OSPF without naming any LSAs there? refered RFC 5329 in section 5 Sec 5.4 Unnumbered interfaces IMHO this text is very similar to Sec 4.7 which talks about how to identify= parallel links. Perhaps sec 5.4 should become Sec 4.8 since what is does i= s explain how the correlation of links is done for unnumbered links. Altern= ately, this explanation can be put under Sec 4.3 where the Local/Remote ID = TLV is specified since this mechanism is going to be common for other use-c= ase of this general purpose TLV. I think this section is needed as the previous section on Remote= IPv4 address does not talk about unnumbered interfaces [KT] Agree that the text is definitely needed and I was only suggesting tha= t it might be better placed as sec 4.8 or embedded in 4.3. This is perhaps = more of an editorial nit than substance so I leave it to you. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Shraddha Hegde Sent: 25 January 2018 11:01 To: Alvaro Retana ; The IESG Cc: ospf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; ospf-chairs@ietf= .org Subject: Re: [OSPF] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-ov= erload-13: (with COMMENT) Alvaro, Thanks for the review and comments. Pls see inline.. Rgds Shraddha -----Original Message----- From: Alvaro Retana [mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 11:27 PM To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload@ietf.org; Acee Lindem ; o= spf-chairs@ietf.org; ospf@ietf.org Subject: Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: = (with COMMENT) Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email= addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.= ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuh= r6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DNyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzC= Nrng&m=3D2yotvig0Pod2iYz1kE1G9Yj72-TdzzWuw-Wi17D6TfU&s=3D8uPkIAPxrIiuVMLudg= aSbVjvc-3iZNkLaXrmc6GJpZM&e=3D for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org= _doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dospf-2Dlink-2Doverload_&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Sc= bfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3DNyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng= &m=3D2yotvig0Pod2iYz1kE1G9Yj72-TdzzWuw-Wi17D6TfU&s=3D5Dmkf-qOIfCiHPCyuj-sVN= DcS904luv_ECpSb3D5HVM&e=3D ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I debated about filing my first comment as a DISCUSS [1], but decided again= st it because it should be very easy to solve. The rest are non-blocking c= omments. (1) The following should be Normative references: rfc2119 and rfc6987 -- th= is last one because MaxLinkMetric (which is defined there) is extensively u= sed (as a MUST) throughout the document. OK (2) Section 3. (Flooding Scope) provides information about the flooding sco= pe, but only references for OSPFv2. It would be nice if the references for= OSPFv3 were included there as well. OK (3) Section 4.5. mentions that a "new TLV called Graceful-Link-Shutdown is = defined" for BGP-LS, but there are no details on the format, etc. The IANA= Considerations section suggests a value, not for a TLV but for an NLRI Typ= e! OK. Refered section 3.1 of RFC 7752 and described the contents o= f the TLV IANA section seems ok to me. Could you be more specific what need= s to change? BGP-LS Link NLRI Registry [RFC7752] >>>>>>>Registry i)Graceful-Link-Shutdown TLV - Suggested 1101 >>>>>>>TLV type (4) Section 5: "The node that has the link to be taken out of service SHOUL= D advertise the Graceful-Link-Shutdown sub-TLV..." When would the node not= advertise the sub-TLV? IOW, why is "MUST" not used? Thanks for pointing out. Changed to MUST. (5) In 5.1: "MAX-TE-METRIC is a constant defined by this draft and set to 0= xfffffffe." Assuming that the intent is to define a new architectural cons= tant... I would rather see this constant defined separately (in it's own se= ction/sub-section with a formal definition) instead of "in passing" while d= escribing how to use it (a la MaxLinkMetric in rfc6987). OK (6) 5.1 says that the metrics "MUST be set to MaxLinkMetric...and SHOULD be= set to MAX-TE-METRIC". Why is there a difference? TE is an optional feature so MAX-TE-METRIC needs to be set only = when TE is enabled on the node. (7) s/MAX_METRIC/MaxLinkMetric ok. 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The only reference I found is the draft "Update to OSPF Hello procedure, draft-kou-ospf-immediately-replying-hello-02.txt" which has expired. Are vendors following what is written in this draft? Is there a document from any vendor that details this feature? Thanks. Rui Valadas ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01D39A6D.60305790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

Many OSPF = implementations include the Immediate Replying Hello feature, which I = believe is not standard.

 

The only = reference I found is the draft “Update to OSPF Hello procedure, = draft-kou-ospf-immediately-replying-hello-02.txt” which has = expired.

 

Are vendors following what is written in this draft? = Is there a document from any vendor that details this feature? =

 

Thanks.

 

Rui = Valadas

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This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. Title : OSPF Graceful Link shutdown Authors : Shraddha Hegde Pushpasis Sarkar Hannes Gredler Mohan Nanduri Luay Jalil Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-15.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2018-01-31 Abstract: When a link is being prepared to be taken out of service, the traffic needs to be diverted from both ends of the link. Increasing the metric to the highest value on one side of the link is not sufficient to divert the traffic flowing in the other direction. It is useful for the routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to be able to advertise a link as being in a graceful-shutdown state to indicate impending maintenance activity on the link. This information can be used by the network devices to re-route the traffic effectively. This document describes the protocol extensions to disseminate graceful-link-shutdown information in OSPFv2 and OSPFv3. 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My first comment, that the introduction section is rather muddled / unclear= , still holds. I don't see that this has been changed; I think all the text= is in there, it just doesn't flow well (to me). Whether you change it, is= up to you. I'd suggest if you do change it that the structure covers: the = problem, the current tools that can be used, why/where those tools do not s= olve the problem, and then the solution defined in the document. Best wishes, Tim=20 > On 31 Jan 2018, at 03:47, Shraddha Hegde wrote: >=20 > Tim, >=20 > Thanks for the review and comments. > Pls see inline for responses. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Chown [mailto:tim.chown@jisc.ac.uk]=20 > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 8:25 PM > To: ops-dir@ietf.org > Cc: ospf@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload.all@ietf.org > Subject: Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-13 >=20 > Reviewer: Tim Chown > Review result: Ready >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's on= going effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. The= se comments were written with the intent of improving the operational aspec= ts of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be = included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chai= rs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. >=20 > This document defines mechanism(s) to allow OSPF routers to indicate that= a specific link, rather than a whole node, is entering an imminent mainten= ance state, to allow other devices that understand the protocol extension(s= ) to more gracefully re-route traffic around the affected link. >=20 > I believe the document is Ready for publication. I have only three minor= comments below, which the authors may choose to act on. >=20 > Overall the document reads reasonably well. Not being overly familiar wit= h the material, I needed to read it through end-to-end more than once to be= tter understand its scope and intent. My first comment would be that perhap= s the introduction section could be better written; the abstract seemed cle= ar on the purpose of the draft, while the introduction felt a little muddle= d. Sections 2, 3 and 4, which detail the motivations and extensions, were = much clearer. > Added more text to introduction section in version -14. Pls ch= eck if it looks better now. >=20 > Secondly, there are some minor typographic errors throughout the document= , generally missing (in)definite articles. While the RFC Editor would pick= these up, it would be nice for the authors to have a final pass and fix th= ose before submission. > Ack.=20 >=20 > Thirdly, the document does not give any advice on the timing of using the= extensions - how far in advance is it recommended to use the extensions? -= or on the return to 'normal' state once the maintenance is completed. So = perhaps consider adding a short section on this, maybe in Section 5. > Added below details to section 5 >=20 > When a link is ready to carry traffic, the Graceful-Lnk-Shutdown sub-TLV = should be removed from the Extended Link TLV/Router-Link TLV and the corres= ponding > LSAs MUST be readvertised. >=20 > Best wishes, > Tim >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Jan 31 04:47:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFBC12EA57 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2018 04:47:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.529 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.529 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, 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Subject: Re: [OSPF] Immediate Replying Hello X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:43:59 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01D39A99.3422DC50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 It helps, thanks. =20 But the Kou draft = (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kou-ospf-immediately-replying-hel= lo/ ) also mentions two other situations where immediate hellos must be = sent: after state changes from =E2=80=9C2-Way=E2=80=9D or greater down = to =E2=80=9CInit=E2=80=9D (case 2), and after DR election (case 3). Do = you know if these cases are also implemented? =20 Thanks. =20 Rui =20 From: Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:acee@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:47 PM To: rui.valadas@tecnico.ulisboa.pt; ospf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] Immediate Replying Hello =20 Hi Rui,=20 =20 It is not a standard. However, it is a technique used by many = implementations to speed adjacency formation when a hello packet is = received and the neighbor state is less than two-way. At least one of = the implementations with witch with I have been associated would unicast = the hello.=20 =20 Hope this helps,=20 Acee=20 =20 From: OSPF > on = behalf of "rui.valadas@tecnico.ulisboa.pt = " = = > Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 3:28 AM To: OSPF WG List > Subject: [OSPF] Immediate Replying Hello =20 Hi, =20 Many OSPF implementations include the Immediate Replying Hello feature, = which I believe is not standard. =20 The only reference I found is the draft =E2=80=9CUpdate to OSPF Hello = procedure, draft-kou-ospf-immediately-replying-hello-02.txt=E2=80=9D = which has expired. =20 Are vendors following what is written in this draft? Is there a document = from any vendor that details this feature?=20 =20 Thanks. =20 Rui Valadas ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01D39A99.3422DC50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

It helps, = thanks.

 

But the Kou draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kou-ospf-immediately-r= eplying-hello/ ) also mentions two other situations where immediate = hellos must be sent: after state changes from =E2=80=9C2-Way=E2=80=9D or = greater down to =E2=80=9CInit=E2=80=9D (case 2), and after DR election = (case 3). Do you know if these cases are also = implemented?

 

Thanks.

 

Rui

 

From: Acee Lindem (acee) = [mailto:acee@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 = 12:47 PM
To: rui.valadas@tecnico.ulisboa.pt; = ospf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [OSPF] Immediate Replying = Hello

 

Hi Rui, =

 

It is not a standard. However, it is a technique used = by many implementations to speed adjacency formation when a hello packet = is received and the neighbor state is less than two-way. At least one of = the implementations with witch with I have been associated would unicast = the hello.

 

Hope this helps,

Acee

 

From: OSPF <ospf-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of "rui.valadas@tecnico.ulisbo= a.pt" <rui.valadas@tecnico.ulisbo= a.pt>
Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 3:28 = AM
To: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>
Subject: = [OSPF] Immediate Replying Hello

 

Hi,

 

Many OSPF implementations = include the Immediate Replying Hello feature, which I believe is not = standard.

 

The only reference I found is = the draft =E2=80=9CUpdate to OSPF Hello procedure, = draft-kou-ospf-immediately-replying-hello-02.txt=E2=80=9D which has = expired.

 

Are vendors following what is = written in this draft? Is there a document from any vendor that details = this feature?

 

Thanks.

 

Rui = Valadas

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In-Reply-To: <151731787540.27488.14111387915689532214@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151731787540.27488.14111387915689532214@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Balaji venkat Venkataswami Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:41:37 +0530 Message-ID: To: ospf@ietf.org, ppsenak@cisco.com, acee@cisco.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11442e44e15525056414bb11" Archived-At: Subject: [OSPF] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-03.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 16:13:35 -0000 --001a11442e44e15525056414bb11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Peter, Acee, In section 2 in your proposal, you have specified as follows. 1. Remote Interface IP address [RFC3630] - OSPFv2 currently cannot distinguish between parallel links between two OSPFv2 routers. As a result, the two-way connectivity check performed during SPF may succeed when the two routers disagree on which of the links to use for data traffic. Though your intention was to say that Remote Interface IP address is a Link-attribute that would be useful to non-MPLS-TE and non-GMPLS applications, it comes across in this para that the parallel-links identification problem still exists in OSPFv2 inspite of RFC 3630 specs for this TLV. Its just a cosmetic issue but for a newbie looking at the draft, it takes the conclusion too seriously. RFC 3630 appropriate extract. 2.5.4 . Remote Interface IP Address The Remote Interface IP Address sub-TLV specifies the IP address(es) of the neighbor's interface corresponding to this link. This and the local address are used to discern multiple parallel links between systems. If the Link Type of the link is Multi-access, the Remote Interface IP Address is set to 0.0.0.0; alternatively, an implementation MAY choose not to send this sub-TLV. The Remote Interface IP Address sub-TLV is TLV type 4, and is 4N octets in length, where N is the number of neighbor addresses. Just a small correction needed. That RFC 3630 got rid of the problem and that it still doesnt persist. thanks and regards, balaji venkat ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 6:41 PM Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-03.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ospf@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IETF. Title : OSPFv2 Link Traffic Engineering (TE) Attribute Reuse Authors : Peter Psenak Acee Lindem Les Ginsberg Wim Henderickx Jeff Tantsura Hannes Gredler John Drake Filename : draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-03.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-01-30 Abstract: Various link attributes have been defined in OSPFv2 in the context of the MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) and GMPLS. Many of these link attributes can be used for purposes other than MPLS Traffic Engineering or GMPLS. This documents defines how to distribute such attributes in OSPFv2 for applications other than MPLS Traffic Engineering or GMPLS purposes. --001a11442e44e15525056414bb11 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Peter, Acee,

In section 2= in your proposal, you have specified as follows.

= 
1.  Remote Interface I=
P address [RFC3630] - OSPFv2 currently cannot
       distinguish between parallel links between two OSPFv2 routers.
       As a result, the two-way connectivity check performed during SPF
       may succeed when the two routers disagree on which of the links
       to use for data traffic.
Though your intention was to say = that Remote Interface IP address is a Link-attribute that would
b= e useful to non-MPLS-TE and non-GMPLS applications, it comes across in this= para that the=C2=A0
parallel-links identification problem still = exists in OSPFv2 inspite of RFC 3630 specs for this
TLV. Its just= a cosmetic issue but for a newbie looking at the draft, it takes the concl= usion too
seriously.=C2=A0

RFC 3630 appr= opriate extract.

2.5.4.  Remote Interface IP Addr=
ess

   The Remote Interface IP Address sub-TLV specifies the IP address(es)
   of the neighbor's interface corresponding to this link.  This and th=
e
   local address are used to discern multiple parallel links between
   systems.  If the Link Type of the link is Multi-access, the Remote
   Interface IP Address is set to 0.0.0.0; alternatively, an
   implementation MAY choose not to send this sub-TLV.

   The Remote Interface IP Address sub-TLV is TLV type 4, and is 4N
   octets in length, where N is the number of neighbor addresses.


Jus= t a small correction needed. That RFC 3630 got rid of the problem and that = it still doesnt persist.

thanks and regards,
=
balaji venkat

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG of the IET= F.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= OSPFv2 Link Traffic Engineering (TE) Attribute Reuse
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Pete= r Psenak
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Acee Lindem
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Les Ginsberg
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wim Henderickx
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jeff Tantsura
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hannes Gredler
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 John Drake
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-03.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 16
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2018-01-30

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Various link attributes have been defined in OSPFv2 in the con= text of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) and GMPLS.=C2=A0 Many of the= se link
=C2=A0 =C2=A0attributes can be used for purposes other than MPLS Traffic =C2=A0 =C2=A0Engineering or GMPLS.=C2=A0 This documents defines how to dist= ribute such
=C2=A0 =C2=A0attributes in OSPFv2 for applications other than MPLS Traffic<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Engineering or GMPLS purposes.
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