From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Nov 1 01:21:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA04573 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 01:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFp8E-0007jt-JD for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 01:21:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA16L6ZG029743 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 01:21:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFp8E-0007je-Dx for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 01:21:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA04563 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 01:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFp8B-0005Ch-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 01:21:03 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFp8A-0005Ce-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 01:21:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFp8A-0007iO-MV; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 01:21:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AFp7C-0007gx-4C for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 01:20:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA04530 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2003 01:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFp77-0005Bf-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 01:19:57 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AFp76-0005BY-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sat, 01 Nov 2003 01:19:56 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hA16Jv5u007471 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:19:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe1 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HNN00338TL8BB@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:19:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([63.205.184.56]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HNN009VOTL7AE@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:19:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:20:03 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] result of our little opinion+support poll In-reply-to: <5BE5F1117AEDD5118BFC0000D11EA39CC8C05A@blns205e.bln.icn.siemens.de> To: Andersen Frank-Uwe Cc: "'p2prg@ietf.org'" Message-id: <6DCDA540-0C33-11D8-B2E5-000A95766260@eng.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ao2WeSd75EZvnsv7cNoS2Q)" Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --Boundary_(ID_ao2WeSd75EZvnsv7cNoS2Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Frank-Uwe, Actually, this is well timed. Bobby and I are working on a research track proposal that should be out early next week. "Mobile P2P Issues" or something close to that wording will certainly be one of the proposed tracks. Bill On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 10:56 AM, Andersen Frank-Uwe wrote: > That's it for the moment. Please let me find out more about how we can > proceed formally. I will get in touch with Bill regarding this. > --Boundary_(ID_ao2WeSd75EZvnsv7cNoS2Q) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Frank-Uwe, Actually, this is well timed. Bobby and I are working on a research track proposal that should be out early next week. "Mobile P2P Issues" or something close to that wording will certainly be one of the proposed tracks. Bill On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 10:56 AM, Andersen Frank-Uwe wrote: ArialThat's it for the moment. Please let me find out more about how we can proceed formally. I will get in touch with Bill regarding this. --Boundary_(ID_ao2WeSd75EZvnsv7cNoS2Q)-- _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Nov 2 16:45:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA26346 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGQ21-0006DB-2I for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:45:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA2Lj9tQ023878 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:45:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGQ20-0006D3-Qw for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:45:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA26342 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGQ1y-00036J-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:45:07 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGQ1y-00036F-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:45:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGQ1u-0006Bt-4x; Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:45:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEigZ-0006jf-UQ for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:15:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA25112 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEigX-0001cK-00 for p2prg@irtf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:15:57 -0500 Received: from postal.usc.edu ([128.125.253.6] ident=nsmsg) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEigW-0001cG-00 for p2prg@irtf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:15:57 -0500 Received: from satellite (vpn-052-092.usc.edu [128.125.52.92]) by postal.usc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with SMTP id <0HNI0019Z6MLC8@postal.usc.edu> for p2prg@irtf.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:15:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:15:12 -0800 From: Kemal Oral CANSIZLAR To: p2prg@irtf.org Message-id: <00aa01c39ddb$a3849680$7d117e18@satellite> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_j+55QOqxlOpGqdsqauFtIw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [P2Prg] resources on peer2peer file systems. Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_j+55QOqxlOpGqdsqauFtIw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I am currently a graduate student, and looking for resources on p2p file systems in general, and their fault-tolerance aspects in particular. I would appreciate if someone could direct me. Thank you, Kemal. --Boundary_(ID_j+55QOqxlOpGqdsqauFtIw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi,
I am currently a graduate student, and looking for resources on p2p file systems in general, and their fault-tolerance aspects in particular. I would appreciate if someone could direct me.
Thank you,
 
Kemal.
--Boundary_(ID_j+55QOqxlOpGqdsqauFtIw)-- _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 3 06:20:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27699 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGcki-000725-Ns for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:20:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA3BK8EH027029 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:20:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGcki-00071r-1A for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:20:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27692 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGcke-0003uR-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:20:04 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGckd-0003uO-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:20:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGckd-0006zi-75; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:20:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGckY-0006yp-JU for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:19:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27676 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGckU-0003ty-00 for p2prg@irtf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:19:54 -0500 Received: from brunello.labnet.cnit.it ([217.9.64.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGckT-0003tg-00 for p2prg@irtf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:19:53 -0500 Received: from origano.savona.cnit.it (origano.savona.cnit.it [217.9.65.67]) by brunello.labnet.cnit.it (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id hA3BJBX8014722 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:19:12 +0100 Received: from baronepc ([217.9.65.48]) by origano.savona.cnit.it (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-5) with SMTP id hA3BJ5bS027260 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:19:06 +0100 Message-ID: <006301c3a1fc$e23b1820$304109d9@baronepc> From: "Luca Caviglione" To: References: <00aa01c39ddb$a3849680$7d117e18@satellite> Subject: Re: [P2Prg] resources on peer2peer file systems. Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:23:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C3A205.43669B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS - amavis-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C3A205.43669B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kemal Oral Caniszlar,=20 I can suggest the following links: About security issue on p2p file systems you can see here = http://www.shoshin.uwaterloo.ca/~dbansal/ . This is the home page of a = researcher: Dushyant Bansal. Hios website is full of valuable resources. = There is also material about popular secure algorithms such as Publius, = Dagster and Merkle Tree.=20 If you can acess IEEE (particularly see here = http://csdl.computer.org/comp/proceedings/srds/2002/1659/00/1659toc.htm = ) ,=20 Session I is about Reliable Peer-to-Peer File Systems . There are two = papers about the topic. They should be a good starting point.=20 Hope it needs, Luca ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kemal Oral CANSIZLAR=20 To:=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:15 AM Subject: [P2Prg] resources on peer2peer file systems. Hi, I am currently a graduate student, and looking for resources on p2p = file systems in general, and their fault-tolerance aspects in = particular. I would appreciate if someone could direct me. Thank you, Kemal. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C3A205.43669B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear  Kemal Oral = Caniszlar, 
I can suggest the following = links:
 
About security issue on p2p file = systems you can=20 see here http://www.shoshin.uwaterloo.ca/~dbansal/ . This is the home page of a researcher: = Dushyant=20 Bansal. Hios website is full of valuable resources. There is also = material about=20 popular secure algorithms such as Publius, Dagster and Merkle Tree.=20
 
If you can acess IEEE (particularly see = here http://csdl.computer.org/comp/proceedings/srds/2002/1659/00/1659t= oc.htm )=20 ,=20
Session I is about  Reliable = Peer-to-Peer=20 File Systems . There are two papers about the topic. They should be = a good=20 starting point.
 
Hope it needs,
 
Luca
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kemal = Oral=20 CANSIZLAR
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, = 2003 6:15=20 AM
Subject: [P2Prg] resources on = peer2peer=20 file systems.

Hi,
I am currently a graduate student, = and looking=20 for resources on p2p file systems in general, and their = fault-tolerance=20 aspects in particular. I would appreciate if someone could direct=20 me.
Thank you,
 
Kemal.
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C3A205.43669B80-- _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 3 21:05:31 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA08720 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGqZD-0003Xn-LX for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:05:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA425BUg013617 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:05:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGqZD-0003XY-DV for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:05:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA08609 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 21:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGqZA-0002uH-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:05:08 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGqZA-0002uD-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:05:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGqZ4-0003WQ-JF; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:05:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGjNN-0005et-JZ for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:24:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA13475 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGjNL-00025O-00 for p2prg@irtf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:24:27 -0500 Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.42.13]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGjNK-000259-00 for p2prg@irtf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:24:27 -0500 Received: from engmail1mpk.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.11.21]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hA3INqUP002772 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from phys-mpkmaila (phys-mpkmaila.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.18.131]) by engmail1mpk.Eng.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id hA3INjDS004105 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from roam (roam.Eng.Sun.COM [152.70.8.108]) by mpkmail.eng.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Apr 2 2002)) with SMTP id <0HNS00I2RGFSNJ@mpkmail.eng.sun.com> for p2prg@irtf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:23:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:23:52 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] resources on peer2peer file systems. To: p2prg@irtf.org Reply-to: Bill Yeager Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Another very interesting approach on secure file systems is LOCKSS: http://lockss.stanford.edu/peerreviewedpapers.htm bill _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 7 10:57:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA19853 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI8yy-0004ev-Gl for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:57:08 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA7Fv8xj017909 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:57:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI8yy-0004em-Cz for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:57:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA19836 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI8yv-0006il-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:57:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI8yv-0006ih-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:57:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI8yq-0004dt-PX; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:57:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AI8y9-0004cS-J2 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:56:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA19799 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI8y6-0006i4-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:56:14 -0500 Received: from laime.cs.uchicago.edu ([128.135.11.94]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AI8y6-0006hh-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:56:14 -0500 Received: from olive (dhcp-11-25.cs.uchicago.edu [128.135.11.217]) by laime.cs.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B1286BE58; Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:55:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005701c3a548$3385f030$d90b8780@olive> From: "Adriana Iamnitchi" To: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:00:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [P2Prg] CFP: GP2P Computing workshop (deadline: Nov.25) Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CALL FOR PAPERS Fourth International Workshop on GLOBAL and PEER-TO-PEER Computing "From Theory to Practice" (http://GP2PC.lri.fr) organized at the IEEE/ACM International Symposium on Cluster Computing and the Grid 2004 IEEE/ACM CCGRID 2004 Chicago, USA, April 2004 In cooperation with the IEEE Task Force on Cluster Computing (TFCC) ------------------------------------------------------------------- SCOPE Global computing systems aim to harness Internet-connected resources at a global scale. A global computing platform can be built in a pre-defined, stable, organized fashion (more like today's Grids) or can be self-organizing, ad-hoc, decentralized, like in Peer-to-Peer systems. Supporting computation on such systems raises a novel set of questions. Because of size, autonomy and the high volatility of their resources, Global Computing and P2P platforms provide the opportunity to revisit major fields of distributed computing: protocols, infrastructures, security, fault tolerance, scheduling, performance, services, applications, incentives for cooperation, etc. Moreover, new issues concerning installation, utilization, flexibility and scalability become more relevant than ever. Authors are invited to submit original, unpublished work describing current research and novel ideas in the area of Global and Peer-to-Peer Computing as well as experiences with the deployment of Global and Peer-to-Peer Computing technologies. Papers whose contributions are supported by experimental or theoretical evaluations are strongly encouraged. TOPICS Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Global Computing and Peer-to-Peer platforms * P2P Merging / Interoperability with Grids (OGSA/I) * Software technology evaluations: Web Services, Grid services * Middleware, programming models, environments and toolkits * Protocols for resource management (discovery, reservation, scheduling, monitoring) * Economic considerations of resource usage (protocols, accounting) * Storage in Global Computing infrastructures (strategies, protocols) * Performance measurements, benchmarking, and modeling of Global Computing and Peer-to-Peer systems * Security * Result certification (detection/tolerance of corrupted results) * Parallel computing on large-scale distributed systems * Compute & I/O driven applications * Global and peer-to-peer computing applications (programmed from scratch, ported from sequential or parallel implementations, adaptations to fit a global computing environment) PAPER SUBMISSION We invite you to submit a full paper of up to 8 pages in IEEE format (10pt font, two-columns, single-spaced) at: http://gp2pc.lri.fr/REG-paper/ Or visit the workshop web page at http://GP2PC.lri.fr for all information regarding the paper submission. IMPORTANT DATES Papers submission: November 25, 2003 Notification to authors: January 10, 2004 Final version of papers due: January 19, 2004 PROGRAM COMMITTEE: David Anderson, University of Berkeley, SETI@home project, USA Franck Cappello, INRIA/LRI, Paris-South University, France Henri Casanova, SDSC, California, USA Andrew Chien, UCSD, California, USA Adriana Iamnitchi, University of Chicago, USA Spyros Lalis, ICS, Forth, Greece Serge Petiton, University of Lille, France Olivier Richard, INRIA ID, Grenoble, France Alexander Reinefeld, Zuze Institute Berlin, Germany Arnold Rosenberg, DCS, Massachusetts, USA Mitsuhisa Sato, CCP, University of Tsukuba, Japan Domenico Talia, DEIS, University of Calabria, Italy Bernard Traversat, SUN, Jxta, USA WORKSHOP CHAIRS (and contact for info) Franck Cappello INRIA/LRI, Paris-South University, France fci@lri.lri.fr Adriana Iamnitchi University of Chicago, USA anda@cs.uchicago.edu ________________ Adriana Iamnitchi University of Chicago http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/~anda (773) 834-4416 _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Nov 9 23:31:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA24773 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJ3hk-0003KV-8k for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:31:08 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAA4V8qC012793 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:31:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJ3hk-0003KG-3x for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:31:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA24752 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJ3hi-0005uu-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:31:06 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJ3hh-0005uq-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:31:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJ3hd-0003J0-Fa; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:31:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJ3gq-0003IL-DZ for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:30:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA24730 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJ3go-0005pn-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:30:10 -0500 Received: from smtp1.att.ne.jp ([165.76.15.137]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJ3gn-0005pj-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:30:10 -0500 Received: from neurogrid.com (h219-110-056-001.catv01.itscom.jp [219.110.56.1]) by smtp1.att.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7916615AA2 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:30:05 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3FAF144C.9020800@neurogrid.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:30:04 +0900 From: Sam Joseph Reply-To: sam@neurogrid.com Organization: NeuroGrid http://www.neurogrid.net/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ja-JP; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2p-irtf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [P2Prg] Review of Different P2P simulators Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, So I just finished a paper reviewing some of the different available P2P simulators: http://p2pjournal.com/issues/November03.pdf Some of the simulators try to define different P2P apis, and I found a paper in IPTPS 2003 that refers to a similar approach. I bring this up since this was something we discussed in the meeting the other month: /Towards a Common API for Structured Peer-to-Peer Overlays ,/ Frank Dabek, Ben Zhao, Peter Druschel, John Kubiatowicz, Ion Stoica http://iptps03.cs.berkeley.edu/final-papers/api.ps When I get a chance I'll add this stuff to the wiki: http://www.neurogrid.net/twiki/bin/view/Main/PeerToPeerResearchGroup CHEERS> SAM _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 10 01:07:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA27007 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJ5Ca-0000aL-Nh for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:07:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAA674Ho002243 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:07:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJ5Ca-0000Zm-CE for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:07:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26989 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJ5CX-0007MO-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:07:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJ5CX-0007ML-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:07:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJ5CX-0000XF-WF; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:07:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJ5Bg-0000QX-P2 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:06:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA26974 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJ5Bd-0007Ly-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:06:05 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJ5Bc-0007Lv-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:06:05 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAA664cm000092 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:06:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe2 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HO400BICGY45U@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:06:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HO4009MDGY3QH@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:06:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 22:06:03 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Review of Different P2P simulators In-reply-to: <3FAF144C.9020800@neurogrid.com> To: sam@neurogrid.com Cc: p2p-irtf Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Sam, Thanks for the note. The reading looks interesting and applicable. Bobby and I have almost finished the research proposal. It should be out in a couple of days. Bill On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 08:30 PM, Sam Joseph wrote: > Hi All, _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 00:42:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA06911 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRI2-00037X-0Q for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:42:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAB5g9Bg011989 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:42:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRI1-00037I-Sm for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:42:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA06865 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRHz-0005JL-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:42:07 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRHy-0005JH-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:42:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRHt-000356-SY; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:42:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJRHh-00031p-Qg for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:41:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA06853 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRHe-0005Iy-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:41:46 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJRHe-0005Iu-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:41:46 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAB5flcm028337 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:41:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe2 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HO600K4NAHM4Q@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:41:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HO6009VVAHLQH@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:41:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:41:47 -0800 From: Bill Yeager To: p2p-irtf Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please comment and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: Thanks, Bill and Bobby ------- In all of the research tracks below the overriding consideration is that we do not reinvent any wheels. Care must be taken to look for possible relationships with, or extrapolations of ideas in current RFC's. o Overview of current P2P systems A short term effort to give us a baseline of current P2P system behavior. What is there that is relevant to the following research subgroups. Subgroup leaders: Bill and Bobby o P2P Overlay Infrastructure What are the requirements of such an infrastructure to guarantee both end-to-end communication between any two peer nodes independently of the underlying real infrastructure? What will the UUID's be for such peer nodes? Will they resemble IP.V6 addresses for example? Can they be created in such a way as to make mobility implicit without any special changes to the discovery and routing protocols we use? Subgroup leaders: Bill Yeager, Jeff Altman (Is there another volunteer out there?) o P2P Mobility Device Requirements Mobile devices have both capability and infrastructure differences that must be addressed so that they can interoperate will an Internet-wide p2p network. These special requirements will be outlined, and carefully examined in this research track. The results of this effort will clearly influence the other tracks discussed below since mobile devices must play in any P2P space that our research ultimately defines. Subgroup leader: Frank-Uwe Andersen o Meta-Data Strategies Meta-data descriptions are at the core of content distribution, and lookup in a P2P network. Thus, addressing various strategies for such descriptions is critical early on in our research. Happily, Sam Joseph has enthusiastically volunteered to led this effort. Subgroup leader: Sam Joseph o Namespaces: managed versus unmanaged Ad-hoc vrs controlled name spaces: A managed namespace is controlled by (at least) one authority who is responsible for delegating rights to subspaces within the managed space. In an unmanaged space, any principal can bind to any name, and an external protocol (e.g. cryptographic certificates, or trust inference) is used for resolving specific references. It is not clear which model is more appropriate for the P2P domain; clearly, it is attractive to have the IETF (or a similar body) "own" some part of the P2P namespaces (much like today's DNS), and have the usual name delegation etc. However, the P2P model may be decentralized by definition, and thus, both approaches are appropriate, and should be addressed in this research track. Subgroup leader: To be determined. o Routing and routing primitives Everything we know about p2p routing and how it relates to the IETF routing protocols: Initially, a survey of current P2P routing techniques is a requirement for this research track. The feeling is that any overlay network we might chose should be routing protocol agnostic since different protocols may be appropriate for different applications. Think about a P2P based file storage system that operates on pages of files versus straight forward content exchange for example. Would the same routing protocols be appropriate in both instances given the granularity and latency differences that each system can tolerate? Ultimately, another related path of exploration is to investigate how hints from existing Internet routing protocols might be used to give hints to aid in building application, context specific routing tables. Subgroup leader: To be determined. o Peer Discovery/Resource Location/Presence Once again, there are common sub functions here that all P2P apps use, and in this case, it seemed clear that some components could be reused by different P2P systems. For example, all P2P systems have to solve the "first node" problem for bootstrapping new clients. Different possible methods were discussed, including DNS/DHCP/rendezvous point schemes. What will the super-peers be required to do to fulfill these requirements? Subgroup leader: To be determined o Security issues Security in a P2P system is extremely difficult because of the possible pure ad-hoc nature and behavior that can exhibit itself. One may and and often will not be able to depend on a centralized certificate authority based PKI to bootstrap secure networks. The requirements are the same: Privacy, Authentication, Integrity, and non-repudiation. The possible solutions are quite interesting and often point towards PGP-like Webs-of-Trust and reputation models. . On the other hand, in an enterprise, a very centralized, CA PKI will be necessary for P2P to fly there. On top of this we have the usual DoS attacks, the requirement to support anonymous, and autonomous peer nodes, etc. It is appropriate to begin here with a survey of the current P2P research on security to establish a foundation for discussion, and synergy with the IETF security efforts. This is a difficult and truly interesting area for research. Subgroup leader: To be determined. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 04:10:39 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA24779 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJUXU-0006r4-Cy for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:10:21 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAB9AKjG026346 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:10:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJUXT-0006qr-Lb for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:10:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA24773 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJUXE-00004N-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:10:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJUXE-00004K-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:10:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJUXD-0006oX-5k; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:10:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJUX5-0006mi-JF for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:09:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA24760 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:09:43 -0500 (EST) From: ydoi@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJUX2-000048-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:09:52 -0500 Received: from ns2.airy.org ([219.106.231.123] helo=mugi.gohan.to) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJUX1-000045-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:09:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 24309 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 09:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto-vm.isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 09:09:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:09:55 +0900 Message-ID: To: Bill Yeager Cc: p2p-irtf Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.11.7 (Wonderwall) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.6 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 14) (Reasonable Discussion) (i386-debian-linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi Bill, I'm happy to hear we can start focused effort from now. Some questions at a glance on the tracks and its description. 1. I'm interested in `peer group' and standardization of peer group. Does the `overlay infrastructure' track covers it? i.e.) what operation could be applied to a peer group? what is minimum requirement to become a member of the group? is it possible to share a group-forming architecture as common foundation? 2. The namespace track includes identifier problem? I suppose there was rough consensus not to have one and ultimate shared universal P2P ID architecture, but not sure because no discussion is on the ML. 3. How will the each group proceeds? discussion on this ML or some face-to-face meeting? I personally hates too-many-ML-syndrome. 4. Will Terminology draft be published from overview track? 5. Is there any `official' minute of the kick-off? Thanks, Yusuke At Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:41:47 -0800, Bill Yeager wrote: > > Hi, > > Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please > comment and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: > > Thanks, > > Bill and Bobby > > ------- > > In all of the research tracks below the overriding consideration is > that we do not reinvent any wheels. Care must be taken to look for > possible relationships with, or extrapolations of ideas in current > RFC's. > > o Overview of current P2P systems > > A short term effort to give us a baseline of current P2P system > behavior. What is there that is relevant > to the following research subgroups. > > Subgroup leaders: Bill and Bobby > > o P2P Overlay Infrastructure > > What are the requirements of such an infrastructure to guarantee both > end-to-end communication between > any two peer nodes independently of the underlying real > infrastructure? What will the UUID's be for such > peer nodes? Will they resemble IP.V6 addresses for example? Can they > be created in such a way as to > make mobility implicit without any special changes to the discovery > and routing protocols we use? > > Subgroup leaders: Bill Yeager, Jeff Altman (Is there another volunteer > out there?) > > o P2P Mobility Device Requirements > > Mobile devices have both capability and infrastructure differences > that must be addressed so that they can > interoperate will an Internet-wide p2p network. These special > requirements will be outlined, and carefully > examined in this research track. The results of this effort will > clearly influence the other tracks discussed below > since mobile devices must play in any P2P space that our research > ultimately defines. > > Subgroup leader: Frank-Uwe Andersen > > o Meta-Data Strategies > > Meta-data descriptions are at the core of content distribution, and > lookup in a P2P network. Thus, addressing various strategies > for such descriptions is critical early on in our research. Happily, > Sam Joseph has enthusiastically volunteered to led this effort. > > Subgroup leader: Sam Joseph > > o Namespaces: managed versus unmanaged > > Ad-hoc vrs controlled name spaces: > > A managed namespace is controlled by (at least) one authority who is > responsible for delegating rights to subspaces within the managed > space. In an unmanaged space, any principal can bind to any name, > and an external protocol (e.g. cryptographic certificates, or trust > inference) is used for resolving specific references. > > It is not clear which model is more appropriate for the P2P domain; > clearly, it is attractive to have the IETF (or a similar body) "own" > some part of the P2P namespaces (much like today's DNS), and have the > usual name delegation etc. However, the P2P model may be > decentralized > by definition, and thus, both approaches are appropriate, and should > be addressed in this research track. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > o Routing and routing primitives > > Everything we know about p2p routing and how it relates to the IETF > routing protocols: > > Initially, a survey of current P2P routing techniques is a requirement > for this research > track. The feeling is that any overlay network we might chose > should be routing protocol > agnostic since different protocols may be appropriate for different > applications. Think about > a P2P based file storage system that operates on pages of files versus > straight forward > content exchange for example. Would the same routing protocols be > appropriate in both > instances given the granularity and latency differences that each > system can tolerate? > > Ultimately, another related path of exploration is to investigate how > hints from existing Internet > routing protocols might be used to give hints to aid in building > application, context specific routing > tables. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > o Peer Discovery/Resource Location/Presence > > Once again, there are common sub functions here that all P2P apps > use, and in this case, it seemed clear that some components could be > reused by different P2P systems. For example, all P2P systems have > to solve the "first node" problem for bootstrapping new clients. > Different possible methods were discussed, including > DNS/DHCP/rendezvous point schemes. What will the super-peers > be required to do to fulfill these requirements? > > Subgroup leader: To be determined > > o Security issues > > Security in a P2P system is extremely difficult because of the > possible > pure ad-hoc nature and behavior that can exhibit itself. One may and > and often will not be able to depend on a centralized certificate > authority > based PKI to bootstrap secure networks. The requirements are the same: > Privacy, Authentication, Integrity, and non-repudiation. The possible > solutions > are quite interesting and often point towards PGP-like Webs-of-Trust > and reputation models. > . > On the other hand, in an enterprise, a very centralized, CA PKI will be > necessary for P2P to fly there. On top of this we have the usual DoS > attacks, the requirement to support anonymous, and autonomous > peer nodes, etc. > > It is appropriate to begin here with a survey of the current P2P > research > on security to establish a foundation for discussion, and synergy with > the IETF security efforts. > > This is a difficult and truly interesting area for research. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 04:50:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA25527 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJVA2-0000CU-0S for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:50:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAB9o9Qs000771 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:50:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJV9z-0000CI-FC for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:50:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA25521 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJV9w-0000Tr-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:50:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJV9w-0000To-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:50:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJV9v-0000B9-Pb; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:50:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJV90-00007e-Dj for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:49:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA25502 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJV8w-0000T7-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:49:02 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.202.56]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJV8v-0000R8-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:49:01 -0500 Received: from charter.net (c-67-166-89-214.client.comcast.net[67.166.89.214]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003111109472101200c2367e> (Authid: coderman42); Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:47:21 +0000 Message-ID: <3FB0B027.5090204@charter.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:47:19 -0800 From: coderman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2p-irtf Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ydoi@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp wrote: >... >1. I'm interested in `peer group' and standardization of peer group. > Does the `overlay infrastructure' track covers it? > i.e.) what operation could be applied to a peer group? what is > minimum requirement to become a member of the group? > is it possible to share a group-forming architecture > as common foundation? > I think the Peer Discovery / Resource Location subgroup would be a good fit for these interests. Peer groups are very useful for transitive introduction and resource discovery in general. >2. The namespace track includes identifier problem? I suppose there > was rough consensus not to have one and ultimate shared universal > P2P ID architecture, but not sure because no discussion is on the > ML. > Securely identifying resources and peers could also fall under the security group (hash trees, secure digests, GUID's and nonces, etc) Best regards, Martin Peck [ My site hosting is online and the project I mentioned on list previously can be found here: http://peertech.org/alpine/ ] _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 06:28:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27360 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJWgm-0004KW-3b for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:28:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABBS4kA016639 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:28:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJWgl-0004KI-Vj for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:28:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27346 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJWgh-0001Oq-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:28:00 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJWgh-0001On-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:27:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJWgi-0004JI-St; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:28:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJWgI-0004Iy-9S for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:27:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27343 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJWgE-0001Od-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:27:30 -0500 Received: from brunello.labnet.cnit.it ([217.9.64.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJWgD-0001OG-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:27:29 -0500 Received: from origano.savona.cnit.it (origano.savona.cnit.it [217.9.65.67]) by brunello.labnet.cnit.it (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id hABBQuX8025762 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:26:57 +0100 Received: from baronepc ([217.9.65.48]) by origano.savona.cnit.it (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-5) with SMTP id hABBQuOC024243 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:26:56 +0100 Message-ID: <00d201c3a847$64412080$304109d9@baronepc> From: "Luca Caviglione" To: References: <3FB0B027.5090204@charter.net> Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:31:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS - amavis-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi list, The subdivision is very good and I am very interested in p2p mobility device requirements. Here some opinions I find very important topics such as Peer Discovery/Resource Location because p2p systems need to be "kickstarted". Will be any investigation about a possible integration of p2p with Zeroconf-like technologies (automatic discovery within a local link to find an already running "entry point" or assuming that first node could be a service)? Also, I think there are two main branches for bootstrapping p2p services: centralized (such as peer caches) or distributed (i.e. some mediation points). I believe that this difference must be taken into account. Also, I think that resource location could be analyzed jointly with mobility requirements allowing to manage complex scenarios i.e. affiliation/de-affiliation to a mobile peer-cache (or anything else that I can't imagine now) allow finding a mobile "first node". In a mobile context, maybe some techniques to hand-offs from the first node to another maybe are useful i.e. to allow finding-synchronizing possible entry points or make everything predictive and "looking ahead". So list that's all for now. I'll think that my (welcome?) efforts will be focused on p2p mobility and Peer Discovery. just for let you know and count the heads. Hope that my thoughts will be useful. Bye Luca _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 15:30:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20604 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJf9Q-0002H9-Rk for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:30:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABKUCCg008745 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:30:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJf9Q-0002Gx-M4 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:30:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20601 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJf9P-0001cN-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:30:11 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJf9O-0001cK-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:30:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJf9G-0002Ep-1q; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:30:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJf8r-0002EL-JA for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:29:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20593 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJf8p-0001c0-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:29:35 -0500 Received: from mail1.panix.com ([166.84.1.72]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJf8p-0001bx-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:29:35 -0500 Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DB248712; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from panix.com (24-29-149-149.nyc.rr.com [24.29.149.149]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA9E12F208; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:29:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:29:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: p2p-irtf To: Bill Yeager From: Lucas Gonze In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bill and Bobby, I'll volunteer for the namespaces track. - Lucas Gonze On Tuesday, Nov 11, 2003, at 00:41 America/New_York, Bill Yeager wrote: > Hi, > > Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please > comment and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: > > Thanks, > > Bill and Bobby > > ------- > > In all of the research tracks below the overriding consideration is > that we do not reinvent any wheels. Care must be taken to look for > possible relationships with, or extrapolations of ideas in current > RFC's. > > o Overview of current P2P systems > > A short term effort to give us a baseline of current P2P system > behavior. What is there that is relevant > to the following research subgroups. > > Subgroup leaders: Bill and Bobby > > o P2P Overlay Infrastructure > > What are the requirements of such an infrastructure to guarantee both > end-to-end communication between > any two peer nodes independently of the underlying real > infrastructure? What will the UUID's be for such > peer nodes? Will they resemble IP.V6 addresses for example? Can they > be created in such a way as to > make mobility implicit without any special changes to the discovery > and routing protocols we use? > > Subgroup leaders: Bill Yeager, Jeff Altman (Is there another > volunteer out there?) > > o P2P Mobility Device Requirements > > Mobile devices have both capability and infrastructure differences > that must be addressed so that they can > interoperate will an Internet-wide p2p network. These special > requirements will be outlined, and carefully > examined in this research track. The results of this effort will > clearly influence the other tracks discussed below > since mobile devices must play in any P2P space that our research > ultimately defines. > > Subgroup leader: Frank-Uwe Andersen > > o Meta-Data Strategies > > Meta-data descriptions are at the core of content distribution, and > lookup in a P2P network. Thus, addressing various strategies > for such descriptions is critical early on in our research. Happily, > Sam Joseph has enthusiastically volunteered to led this effort. > > Subgroup leader: Sam Joseph > > o Namespaces: managed versus unmanaged > > Ad-hoc vrs controlled name spaces: > > A managed namespace is controlled by (at least) one authority who is > responsible for delegating rights to subspaces within the managed > space. In an unmanaged space, any principal can bind to any name, > and an external protocol (e.g. cryptographic certificates, or trust > inference) is used for resolving specific references. > > It is not clear which model is more appropriate for the P2P domain; > clearly, it is attractive to have the IETF (or a similar body) "own" > some part of the P2P namespaces (much like today's DNS), and have the > usual name delegation etc. However, the P2P model may be > decentralized > by definition, and thus, both approaches are appropriate, and should > be addressed in this research track. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > o Routing and routing primitives > > Everything we know about p2p routing and how it relates to the IETF > routing protocols: > > Initially, a survey of current P2P routing techniques is a > requirement for this research > track. The feeling is that any overlay network we might chose > should be routing protocol > agnostic since different protocols may be appropriate for different > applications. Think about > a P2P based file storage system that operates on pages of files > versus straight forward > content exchange for example. Would the same routing protocols be > appropriate in both > instances given the granularity and latency differences that each > system can tolerate? > > Ultimately, another related path of exploration is to investigate how > hints from existing Internet > routing protocols might be used to give hints to aid in building > application, context specific routing > tables. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > o Peer Discovery/Resource Location/Presence > > Once again, there are common sub functions here that all P2P apps > use, and in this case, it seemed clear that some components could be > reused by different P2P systems. For example, all P2P systems have > to solve the "first node" problem for bootstrapping new clients. > Different possible methods were discussed, including > DNS/DHCP/rendezvous point schemes. What will the super-peers > be required to do to fulfill these requirements? > > Subgroup leader: To be determined > > o Security issues > > Security in a P2P system is extremely difficult because of the > possible > pure ad-hoc nature and behavior that can exhibit itself. One may and > and often will not be able to depend on a centralized certificate > authority > based PKI to bootstrap secure networks. The requirements are the same: > Privacy, Authentication, Integrity, and non-repudiation. The possible > solutions > are quite interesting and often point towards PGP-like Webs-of-Trust > and reputation models. > . > On the other hand, in an enterprise, a very centralized, CA PKI will > be > necessary for P2P to fly there. On top of this we have the usual DoS > attacks, the requirement to support anonymous, and autonomous > peer nodes, etc. > > It is appropriate to begin here with a survey of the current P2P > research > on security to establish a foundation for discussion, and synergy with > the IETF security efforts. > > This is a difficult and truly interesting area for research. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 15:44:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20943 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJfMr-0003Br-Jn for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:44:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABKi5CX012260 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:44:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJfMq-0003BT-0n for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:44:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20924 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJfMo-0001lP-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:44:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJfMo-0001lM-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:44:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJfMn-00039W-AB; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:44:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJfMH-000399-A0 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:43:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20913 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:43:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJfMF-0001l7-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:43:27 -0500 Received: from hawksbill.nist.gov ([129.6.13.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJfMF-0001l4-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:43:27 -0500 Received: from nist.gov (pcp01584677pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.48.152.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by hawksbill.nist.gov (8.12.9-20030924/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hABKgBau025333; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:42:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FB149BD.8090307@nist.gov> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:42:37 -0500 From: "M. Ranganathan" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Yeager CC: p2p-irtf Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Billy and Bobby, We are interested in researching several aspects of peer to peer systems at NIST. I am personally interested in Routing, Peer Disovery and resource location and presence. Please let me know how I can be of help in these research tracks. Regards Ranga. Bill Yeager wrote: > Hi, > > Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please > comment and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: > > Thanks, > > Bill and Bobby > > ------- > > In all of the research tracks below the overriding consideration is > that we do not reinvent any wheels. Care must be taken to look for > possible relationships with, or extrapolations of ideas in current RFC's. > > o Overview of current P2P systems > > A short term effort to give us a baseline of current P2P system > behavior. What is there that is relevant > to the following research subgroups. > > Subgroup leaders: Bill and Bobby > > o P2P Overlay Infrastructure > > What are the requirements of such an infrastructure to guarantee > both end-to-end communication between > any two peer nodes independently of the underlying real > infrastructure? What will the UUID's be for such > peer nodes? Will they resemble IP.V6 addresses for example? Can > they be created in such a way as to > make mobility implicit without any special changes to the > discovery and routing protocols we use? > > Subgroup leaders: Bill Yeager, Jeff Altman (Is there another > volunteer out there?) > > o P2P Mobility Device Requirements > > Mobile devices have both capability and infrastructure differences > that must be addressed so that they can > interoperate will an Internet-wide p2p network. These special > requirements will be outlined, and carefully > examined in this research track. The results of this effort > will clearly influence the other tracks discussed below > since mobile devices must play in any P2P space that our research > ultimately defines. > > Subgroup leader: Frank-Uwe Andersen > > o Meta-Data Strategies > > Meta-data descriptions are at the core of content distribution, > and lookup in a P2P network. Thus, addressing various strategies > for such descriptions is critical early on in our research. > Happily, Sam Joseph has enthusiastically volunteered to led this effort. > > Subgroup leader: Sam Joseph > > o Namespaces: managed versus unmanaged > > Ad-hoc vrs controlled name spaces: > > A managed namespace is controlled by (at least) one authority who is > responsible for delegating rights to subspaces within the managed > space. In an unmanaged space, any principal can bind to any name, > and an external protocol (e.g. cryptographic certificates, or trust > inference) is used for resolving specific references. > > It is not clear which model is more appropriate for the P2P domain; > clearly, it is attractive to have the IETF (or a similar body) "own" > some part of the P2P namespaces (much like today's DNS), and have > the > usual name delegation etc. However, the P2P model may be > decentralized > by definition, and thus, both approaches are appropriate, and should > be addressed in this research track. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > o Routing and routing primitives > > Everything we know about p2p routing and how it relates to the > IETF routing protocols: > > Initially, a survey of current P2P routing techniques is a > requirement for this research > track. The feeling is that any overlay network we might chose > should be routing protocol > agnostic since different protocols may be appropriate for > different applications. Think about > a P2P based file storage system that operates on pages of files > versus straight forward > content exchange for example. Would the same routing protocols be > appropriate in both > instances given the granularity and latency differences that each > system can tolerate? > > Ultimately, another related path of exploration is to investigate > how hints from existing Internet > routing protocols might be used to give hints to aid in building > application, context specific routing > tables. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > o Peer Discovery/Resource Location/Presence > > Once again, there are common sub functions here that all P2P apps > use, and in this case, it seemed clear that some components > could be > reused by different P2P systems. For example, all P2P systems have > to solve the "first node" problem for bootstrapping new clients. > Different possible methods were discussed, including > DNS/DHCP/rendezvous point schemes. What will the super-peers > be required to do to fulfill these requirements? > > Subgroup leader: To be determined > > o Security issues > > Security in a P2P system is extremely difficult because of the > possible > pure ad-hoc nature and behavior that can exhibit itself. One may and > and often will not be able to depend on a centralized certificate > authority > based PKI to bootstrap secure networks. The requirements are the > same: > Privacy, Authentication, Integrity, and non-repudiation. The > possible solutions > are quite interesting and often point towards PGP-like Webs-of-Trust > and reputation models. > . > On the other hand, in an enterprise, a very centralized, CA PKI > will be > necessary for P2P to fly there. On top of this we have the usual DoS > attacks, the requirement to support anonymous, and autonomous > peer nodes, etc. > > It is appropriate to begin here with a survey of the current P2P > research > on security to establish a foundation for discussion, and synergy > with > the IETF security efforts. > > This is a difficult and truly interesting area for research. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > -- M. Ranganathan Advanced Networking Technologies Divsion, National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), 100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8920, Gaithersburg, MD 20899. tel:301 975 3664 , fax:301 590 0932 , http://www.antd.nist.gov/~mranga Advanced Networking Technologies For the People! _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 15:46:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20991 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJfOk-0003I2-OA for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:46:02 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hABKk2DO012640 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:46:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJfOk-0003Hn-KM for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:46:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20979 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJfOj-0001oe-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:46:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJfOi-0001ob-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:46:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJfOj-0003Fo-EW; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJfO7-0003EV-QP for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:45:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20975 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:45:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJfO6-0001m3-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:45:22 -0500 Received: from hawksbill.nist.gov ([129.6.13.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJfO5-0001m0-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:45:21 -0500 Received: from nist.gov (pcp01584677pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.48.152.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by hawksbill.nist.gov (8.12.9-20030924/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hABKilau025603 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:44:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FB14A59.1090903@nist.gov> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:45:13 -0500 From: "M. Ranganathan" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'p2p-irtf'" Subject: [Fwd: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ...] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050009020501010404030708" Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050009020501010404030708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had meant "Bill and Bobby" Sorry for the typo. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:42:37 -0500 From: M. Ranganathan To: Bill Yeager CC: p2p-irtf References: Hi Billy and Bobby, We are interested in researching several aspects of peer to peer systems at NIST. I am personally interested in Routing, Peer Disovery and resource location and presence. Please let me know how I can be of help in these research tracks. Regards Ranga. -- M. Ranganathan Advanced Networking Technologies Divsion, National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), 100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8920, Gaithersburg, MD 20899. tel:301 975 3664 , fax:301 590 0932 , http://www.antd.nist.gov/~mranga Advanced Networking Technologies For the People! -- M. Ranganathan Advanced Networking Technologies Divsion, National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), 100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8920, Gaithersburg, MD 20899. tel:301 975 3664 , fax:301 590 0932 , http://www.antd.nist.gov/~mranga Advanced Networking Technologies For the People! --------------050009020501010404030708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had meant  "Bill  and Bobby" Sorry for the typo.

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Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ...
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:42:37 -0500
From: M. Ranganathan <mranga@nist.gov>
To: Bill Yeager <William.Yeager@Sun.COM>
CC: p2p-irtf <p2prg@ietf.org>
References: <BDA5CC16-1409-11D8-A8B8-000A95766260@eng.sun.com> 


Hi Billy and Bobby,

We are interested in researching several aspects of peer to peer systems 
at NIST. I am personally interested in Routing, Peer Disovery and 
resource location and presence. Please let me know how I can be of help 
in these research tracks.

Regards
Ranga.


-- 
M. Ranganathan 

Advanced Networking Technologies Divsion,
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST),
100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8920, Gaithersburg, MD 20899. 

tel:301 975 3664 , fax:301 590 0932 , http://www.antd.nist.gov/~mranga

Advanced Networking Technologies For the People! 





-- 
M. Ranganathan 

Advanced Networking Technologies Divsion,
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST),
100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8920, Gaithersburg, MD 20899. 

tel:301 975 3664 , fax:301 590 0932 , http://www.antd.nist.gov/~mranga

Advanced Networking Technologies For the People!
--------------050009020501010404030708-- _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Nov 11 22:41:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06181 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJlsW-0001sy-3p for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:41:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAC3fCTP007244 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:41:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJlsT-0001sg-Dx for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:41:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06157 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:40:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJlsP-0007jQ-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:41:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AJlsP-0007jN-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:41:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AJlsM-0001rb-Ut; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:41:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AIccO-0003ok-1V for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:35:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA01128 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIccK-0006Z7-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:35:44 -0500 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AIccJ-0006Z2-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:35:43 -0500 Received: from power (c-67-172-210-197.client.comcast.net[67.172.210.197]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20031108233510014005obtee>; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:35:10 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Raymond Gao" To: , Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:35:09 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3A61E.A85617B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [P2Prg] P2PJ November Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3A61E.A85617B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0005_01C3A61E.A8579E50" ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C3A61E.A8579E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit November issue of P2PJ is available online. This issue has an article about P2P simulation as well as an article about adaptative search engine for P2P network. Feel free to comment using message board or contribute articles for January issue. Regards, Ray Gao Editor-in-Chief, P2P Journal http://p2pjournal.com P2P Journal is a website striving to provide comprehensive coverage about Peer-to-Peer and Parallel computing topics. It intends to be the gathering place for people interested in reading and writing articles or discussing and chatting about p2p technology, instant messaging, collaborative computing, community information sharing & dissemination tools and protocols, loosely-distributed, and parallel computing topics. It will publish a regular technology journal online with insightful articles written by experts of the fields, editorial review and discussions about ongoing news, product reviews, and white papers contributed by people and companies actively engaged in those industries. To help better exchange ideas between members, P2P Journal has a live online chat applet where people from the whole world can get live and direct interactions. There is also a message board where people can discuss, upload, and vote on various topics. P2P Journal intends to be a medium helping connect people and entities and disperse useful information. P2P Journal believes that through building a gathering place where people can exchange ideas and information, everyone will benefit from it. ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C3A61E.A8579E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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from 130.129.80.16 ( [130.129.80.16]) as user jaltman@fig.cc.columbia.edu by cubmail.cc.columbia.edu with HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:48:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1068742117.3fb3b5e5582a4@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:48:37 -0500 To: Bill Yeager Cc: p2p-irtf Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 130.129.80.16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am not sure that we should have our own Security Subtrack. The IRTF Group Security Research Group (chaired by Peter Dinsmore, Network Associates Laboratories) has been working actively in this area for many years. Their work produced the Multicast Security Working Group approximately four years ago. Since then they have been meeting regularly at IETF meetings hosting talks about real world applications of their technologies. I attended the research group meeting on Tuesday. The presentations I saw were directly applicable to our efforts. More importantly, the GSEC RG is desperately looking for new problems to solve. They had a large attendance (80 people) at their meeting. Bill, Bobby. I suggest you contact Peter and propose collaboration. - Jeff Quoting Bill Yeager : > o Security issues > > Security in a P2P system is extremely difficult because of > the > possible > pure ad-hoc nature and behavior that can exhibit itself. One may > and > and often will not be able to depend on a centralized > certificate > authority > based PKI to bootstrap secure networks. The requirements are the > same: > Privacy, Authentication, Integrity, and non-repudiation. The > possible > solutions > are quite interesting and often point towards PGP-like > Webs-of-Trust > and reputation models. > . > On the other hand, in an enterprise, a very centralized, CA PKI > will be > necessary for P2P to fly there. On top of this we have the usual > DoS > attacks, the requirement to support anonymous, and autonomous > peer nodes, etc. > > It is appropriate to begin here with a survey of the current P2P > > research > on security to establish a foundation for discussion, and > synergy with > the IETF security efforts. > > This is a difficult and truly interesting area for research. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 13 23:53:22 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA11965 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKVxA-0007hr-Dg for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:53:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAE4r4eE029617 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:53:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKVxA-0007hc-87 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:53:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA11962 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKVx7-0005ed-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:53:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKVx7-0005ea-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:53:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKVx7-0007gZ-2s; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:53:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKVwz-0007fT-VX for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:52:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA11952 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKVwx-0005eS-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:52:51 -0500 Received: from bay7-f36.bay7.hotmail.com ([64.4.11.36] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKVwx-0005e4-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:52:51 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:52:21 -0800 Received: from 12.210.30.9 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:52:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.210.30.9] X-Originating-Email: [ritayuchen@hotmail.com] From: "Rita Chen" To: p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:52:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2003 04:52:21.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[16E9A7A0:01C3AA6B] Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, I think we should cover P2P security in some way. Sure, many off-shelf security tools can be directly adopted into P2P. However, P2P has its uniqueness. For example, when a peer discover an endpoint from a P2P network, how does it make sure this endpoint is exactly wanted? This depends on the right public key distribution. Then the question becomes: can we use WOT/PKI directly into P2P world? Do we need 100% secure P2P world all the time? -Rita _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? 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Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 14 02:26:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA29445 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKYLK-0000EI-VB for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:26:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAE7QAYT000881 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:26:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKYLK-0000E8-4x for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:26:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA29403 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKYLG-0007nE-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:26:06 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKYLG-0007nB-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:26:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKYLC-0000Cg-AW; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:26:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKYKe-0000B5-OJ for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:25:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA29326 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:25:14 -0500 (EST) From: jaltman@columbia.edu Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKYKa-0007mf-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:25:24 -0500 Received: from durian.cc.columbia.edu ([128.59.59.93] ident=cu41754) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKYKa-0007mc-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:25:24 -0500 Received: from durian.cc.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by durian.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAE7PLsh026674; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from www@localhost) by durian.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.3/Submit) id hAE7PLtr026673; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 130.129.80.16 ( [130.129.80.16]) as user jaltman@cranberry.cc.columbia.edu by cubmail.cc.columbia.edu with HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:25:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1068794721.3fb48361a680b@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:25:21 -0500 To: Rita Chen Cc: p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 130.129.80.16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rita: Was this message in response to my posting regarding the IRTF Group Security Research Group? If so, I am not proposing that we rely on off the shelf solutions. The GSEC RG is a group filled with members who for the last eight years have been studying group key distribution algorithms; identity based PK crypto; etc. They are an already formed group of experts who are looking for a new challenge. Let's engage them to help with our problem set. Jeffrey Altman Quoting Rita Chen : > Hi, > I think we should cover P2P security in some way. Sure, many > off-shelf > security tools can be directly adopted into P2P. However, P2P has > its > uniqueness. For example, when a peer discover an endpoint from a > P2P > network, how does it make sure this endpoint is exactly wanted? > This depends > on the right public key distribution. Then the question becomes: > can we use > WOT/PKI directly into P2P world? Do we need 100% secure P2P world > all the > time? > > -Rita > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE > computer virus > scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 14 17:37:22 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02388 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKmYs-00072d-7L for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:37:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAEMb65R027052 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:37:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKmYr-00072C-Fc for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:37:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02369 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKmYp-0005eR-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:37:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKmYo-0005eN-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:37:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKmYn-00070A-51; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:37:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKmY0-0006zB-NC for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:36:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02306 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKmXy-0005d4-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:36:10 -0500 Received: from mordred.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.192.128] helo=cs.ucla.edu) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKmXx-0005c5-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:36:09 -0500 Received: from cs.ucla.edu (rdwarrior.cs.ucla.edu [131.179.192.88]) by cs.ucla.edu (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAEMZd7B031091; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:35:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scottm@cs.ucla.edu) Message-ID: <3FB558B6.1080303@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:35:34 -0800 From: Scott Michel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Yeager CC: p2p-irtf Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Yeager wrote: > Hi, > > Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please comment > and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: > > Thanks, > > Bill and Bobby > > ------- > > In all of the research tracks below the overriding consideration is that > we do not reinvent any wheels. Care must be taken to look for possible > relationships with, or extrapolations of ideas in current RFC's. > > o Overview of current P2P systems > > A short term effort to give us a baseline of current P2P system > behavior. What is there that is relevant > to the following research subgroups. > > Subgroup leaders: Bill and Bobby > > o P2P Overlay Infrastructure > > What are the requirements of such an infrastructure to guarantee > both end-to-end communication between > any two peer nodes independently of the underlying real > infrastructure? What will the UUID's be for such > peer nodes? Will they resemble IP.V6 addresses for example? Can they > be created in such a way as to > make mobility implicit without any special changes to the discovery > and routing protocols we use? > > Subgroup leaders: Bill Yeager, Jeff Altman (Is there another > volunteer out there?) I'm more than happy to help lend a hand to overlay and infrastructure subgroup issues, as a subgroup leader. > o Routing and routing primitives > > Everything we know about p2p routing and how it relates to the IETF > routing protocols: > > Initially, a survey of current P2P routing techniques is a > requirement for this research > track. The feeling is that any overlay network we might chose > should be routing protocol > agnostic since different protocols may be appropriate for > different applications. Think about > a P2P based file storage system that operates on pages of files > versus straight forward > content exchange for example. Would the same routing protocols be > appropriate in both > instances given the granularity and latency differences that each > system can tolerate? > > Ultimately, another related path of exploration is to investigate > how hints from existing Internet > routing protocols might be used to give hints to aid in building > application, context specific routing > tables. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. I'm also more than happy to help lead up this subgroup, assuming others are interested in P2P routing problems (within the overlay and how the Internet can lend hints, etc.) -scooter _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 14 20:46:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA09120 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKpVl-00048q-1c for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:46:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAF1k52O015914 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:46:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKpVk-00048b-Tp for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:46:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA09105 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKpVi-0000FV-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:46:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKpVi-0000FS-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:46:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKpVh-00047c-B8; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKpVV-00047F-4F for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:45:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA09097 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKpVS-0000DB-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:45:46 -0500 Received: from bay1-f58.bay1.hotmail.com ([65.54.245.58] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKpVS-0000Cy-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:45:46 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:38:17 -0800 Received: from 61.187.64.70 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:38:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [61.187.64.70] X-Originating-Email: [p2presearch@hotmail.com] From: "haitao chen" To: p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ...(application research) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:38:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2003 01:38:17.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[24805C70:01C3AB19] Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , hi, maybe we can have an application subgroup. P2P still has a long way to be a killer application of Internet. There are always questions like what p2p can do something important . This subgroup focuses on this problem: finding the suitable real applications for p2p; the relation of p2p and grid , classic c/s application ,and so on; finding the chanllenge of real application to p2p technology. I hope this research of pratical application may contribute to the other research domain. haitao chen >From: p2prg-request@ietf.org > 1. Proposed research tracks ... (Bill Yeager) > > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:41:47 -0800 >From: Bill Yeager >To: p2p-irtf >Subject: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... > >Hi, > >Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please >comment and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: > >Thanks, > >Bill and Bobby > >------- > >In all of the research tracks below the overriding consideration is >that we do not reinvent any wheels. Care must be taken to look for >possible relationships with, or extrapolations of ideas in current >RFC's. > >o Overview of current P2P systems > > A short term effort to give us a baseline of current P2P system >behavior. What is there that is relevant > to the following research subgroups. > > Subgroup leaders: Bill and Bobby > >o P2P Overlay Infrastructure > > What are the requirements of such an infrastructure to guarantee both >end-to-end communication between > any two peer nodes independently of the underlying real >infrastructure? What will the UUID's be for such > peer nodes? Will they resemble IP.V6 addresses for example? Can they >be created in such a way as to > make mobility implicit without any special changes to the discovery >and routing protocols we use? > > Subgroup leaders: Bill Yeager, Jeff Altman (Is there another volunteer >out there?) > >o P2P Mobility Device Requirements > > Mobile devices have both capability and infrastructure differences >that must be addressed so that they can > interoperate will an Internet-wide p2p network. These special >requirements will be outlined, and carefully > examined in this research track. The results of this effort will >clearly influence the other tracks discussed below > since mobile devices must play in any P2P space that our research >ultimately defines. > > Subgroup leader: Frank-Uwe Andersen > >o Meta-Data Strategies > > Meta-data descriptions are at the core of content distribution, and >lookup in a P2P network. Thus, addressing various strategies > for such descriptions is critical early on in our research. Happily, >Sam Joseph has enthusiastically volunteered to led this effort. > > Subgroup leader: Sam Joseph > >o Namespaces: managed versus unmanaged > > Ad-hoc vrs controlled name spaces: > > A managed namespace is controlled by (at least) one authority who is > responsible for delegating rights to subspaces within the managed > space. In an unmanaged space, any principal can bind to any name, > and an external protocol (e.g. cryptographic certificates, or trust > inference) is used for resolving specific references. > > It is not clear which model is more appropriate for the P2P domain; > clearly, it is attractive to have the IETF (or a similar body) "own" > some part of the P2P namespaces (much like today's DNS), and have the > usual name delegation etc. However, the P2P model may be >decentralized > by definition, and thus, both approaches are appropriate, and should > be addressed in this research track. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > >o Routing and routing primitives > > Everything we know about p2p routing and how it relates to the IETF >routing protocols: > > Initially, a survey of current P2P routing techniques is a requirement >for this research > track. The feeling is that any overlay network we might chose >should be routing protocol > agnostic since different protocols may be appropriate for different >applications. Think about > a P2P based file storage system that operates on pages of files versus >straight forward > content exchange for example. Would the same routing protocols be >appropriate in both > instances given the granularity and latency differences that each >system can tolerate? > > Ultimately, another related path of exploration is to investigate how >hints from existing Internet > routing protocols might be used to give hints to aid in building >application, context specific routing > tables. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > >o Peer Discovery/Resource Location/Presence > > Once again, there are common sub functions here that all P2P apps > use, and in this case, it seemed clear that some components could be > reused by different P2P systems. For example, all P2P systems have > to solve the "first node" problem for bootstrapping new clients. > Different possible methods were discussed, including > DNS/DHCP/rendezvous point schemes. What will the super-peers > be required to do to fulfill these requirements? > > Subgroup leader: To be determined > >o Security issues > > Security in a P2P system is extremely difficult because of the >possible > pure ad-hoc nature and behavior that can exhibit itself. One may and > and often will not be able to depend on a centralized certificate >authority > based PKI to bootstrap secure networks. The requirements are the same: > Privacy, Authentication, Integrity, and non-repudiation. The possible >solutions > are quite interesting and often point towards PGP-like Webs-of-Trust > and reputation models. > . > On the other hand, in an enterprise, a very centralized, CA PKI will be > necessary for P2P to fly there. On top of this we have the usual DoS > attacks, the requirement to support anonymous, and autonomous > peer nodes, etc. > > It is appropriate to begin here with a survey of the current P2P >research > on security to establish a foundation for discussion, and synergy with > the IETF security efforts. > > This is a difficult and truly interesting area for research. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > > >--__--__-- > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 14 22:03:20 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11216 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKqiG-0000EF-K7 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:03:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAF334m0000879 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:03:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKqiG-0000E6-Fn for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:03:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11202 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKqiD-0001Cj-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:03:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKqiD-0001Cg-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:03:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKqiC-0000Cx-Vo; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:03:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKqhy-0000Ci-U1 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:02:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11199 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKqhv-0001Cd-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:02:43 -0500 Received: from jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu ([128.59.59.238] ident=cu41754) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKqhv-0001Ca-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:02:43 -0500 Received: from columbia.edu (66-108-138-151.nyc.rr.com [66.108.138.151]) (user=jaltman mech=PLAIN bits=0) by jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAF32gVP019163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:02:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FB5893E.3060407@columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:02:38 -0500 From: Jeffrey Altman Reply-To: p2prg@ietf.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: haitao chen CC: p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ...(application research) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040307000705010207090404" X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040307000705010207090404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Chandler from the OSAF has the potential to be the killer app for P2P http://www.osafoundation.org Jeffrey Altman haitao chen wrote: > hi, maybe we can have an application subgroup. P2P still has a long > way to be a killer application of > Internet. 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<20031115051512.52941.qmail@web41307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.190.118.129] by web41307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:15:12 PST Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:15:12 -0800 (PST) From: Abrar Bin Yousuf To: p2prg@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20031114170009.24306.47512.Mailman@www1.ietf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [P2Prg] Re: P2prg digest, Vol 1 #73 - 2 msgs Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, I have been following the p2p scenario for about one year now. However, the issue of security is one of the most unregulated part. Everybody has come up with their own implementation (though general consensus on certain technologies does exist). As Rita has posted, a lot of technologies can be directly deployed to p2p - e.g. SSL, PKI, etc. Groove has used PKI based approach. JXTA bases systems can easily integrate SSL. Most of system sceem contented to use of hash techniques. However with millions of users, Hashing alone is not enough. However, the issue of security in a scenario of purely anonymous p2p is one of interest as how can you deploy security without breaking the anonymity. Security even in centralized or hybrid systems is still of concern. I strongly beleive that as p2p grows in usage and importance, the security aspect will get more and more critical. As such to set up a security research group would be great AFAIT. Regards, Abrar Bin Yousuf --- p2prg-request@ietf.org wrote: > Send P2prg mailing list submissions to > p2prg@ietf.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > p2prg-request@ietf.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > p2prg-admin@ietf.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of P2prg digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Proposed research tracks ... (Rita Chen) > 2. Re: Proposed research tracks ... > (jaltman@columbia.edu) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Rita Chen" > To: p2prg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:52:21 +0000 > > Hi, > I think we should cover P2P security in some way. > Sure, many off-shelf > security tools can be directly adopted into P2P. > However, P2P has its > uniqueness. For example, when a peer discover an > endpoint from a P2P > network, how does it make sure this endpoint is > exactly wanted? This depends > on the right public key distribution. Then the > question becomes: can we use > WOT/PKI directly into P2P world? Do we need 100% > secure P2P world all the > time? > > -Rita > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: jaltman@columbia.edu > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:25:21 -0500 > To: Rita Chen > Cc: p2prg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... > > Rita: > > Was this message in response to my posting regarding > the IRTF > Group Security Research Group? > > If so, I am not proposing that we rely on off the > shelf > solutions. The GSEC RG is a group filled with > members who for > the last eight years have been studying group key > distribution > algorithms; identity based PK crypto; etc. They are > an already > formed group of experts who are looking for a new > challenge. > Let's engage them to help with our problem set. > > Jeffrey Altman > > > Quoting Rita Chen : > > > Hi, > > I think we should cover P2P security in some way. > Sure, many > > off-shelf > > security tools can be directly adopted into P2P. > However, P2P > has > > its > > uniqueness. For example, when a peer discover an > endpoint from > a > > P2P > > network, how does it make sure this endpoint is > exactly wanted? > > This depends > > on the right public key distribution. Then the > question > becomes: > > can we use > > WOT/PKI directly into P2P world? Do we need 100% > secure P2P > world > > all the > > time? > > > > -Rita > End of P2prg Digest __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Nov 15 04:25:02 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA02113 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKwfa-0008WJ-Rh for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:24:44 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAF9OgMe032745 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:24:42 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKwfZ-0008W4-Sk for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:24:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA02088 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKwfW-0005HK-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:24:38 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKwfV-0005FC-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:24:37 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKwf5-0008L7-BD; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 04:24:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AKw9P-0006IW-3L for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:51:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA01354 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKw9I-0004vJ-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:51:20 -0500 Received: from ns2.airy.org ([219.106.231.123] helo=mugi.gohan.to) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKw9I-0004vF-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:51:20 -0500 Received: (qmail 11632 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2003 08:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns2.airy.org.gohan.to) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Nov 2003 08:51:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:51:19 +0900 Message-ID: <878ymivwu0.wl@ns2.airy.org.gohan.to> From: ydoi@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp To: "haitao chen" Cc: p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ...(application research) In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.6 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 6) (Common Lisp) (i386-debian-linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Personally, I believe this RG are going to focus on technical difficulty. More than survey (like the survey subtrack) on applications is too broad to do here. Everyone think differently. or do you mention high availability to make real buisiness application? I believe HA is a real concern. Yusuke At Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:38:16 +0000, haitao chen wrote: > > hi, maybe we can have an application subgroup. P2P still has a long way to > be a killer application of > Internet. There are always questions like what p2p can do something > important . > This subgroup focuses on this problem: > finding the suitable real applications for p2p; > the relation of p2p and grid , classic c/s application ,and so on; > finding the chanllenge of real application to p2p technology. > I hope this research of pratical application may contribute to the other > research domain. > > haitao chen > > >From: p2prg-request@ietf.org > > 1. Proposed research tracks ... (Bill Yeager) > > > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:41:47 -0800 > >From: Bill Yeager > >To: p2p-irtf > >Subject: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... > > > >Hi, > > > >Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please > >comment and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: > > > >Thanks, > > > >Bill and Bobby > > > >------- > > > >In all of the research tracks below the overriding consideration is > >that we do not reinvent any wheels. Care must be taken to look for > >possible relationships with, or extrapolations of ideas in current > >RFC's. > > > >o Overview of current P2P systems > > > > A short term effort to give us a baseline of current P2P system > >behavior. What is there that is relevant > > to the following research subgroups. > > > > Subgroup leaders: Bill and Bobby > > > >o P2P Overlay Infrastructure > > > > What are the requirements of such an infrastructure to guarantee both > >end-to-end communication between > > any two peer nodes independently of the underlying real > >infrastructure? What will the UUID's be for such > > peer nodes? Will they resemble IP.V6 addresses for example? Can they > >be created in such a way as to > > make mobility implicit without any special changes to the discovery > >and routing protocols we use? > > > > Subgroup leaders: Bill Yeager, Jeff Altman (Is there another volunteer > >out there?) > > > >o P2P Mobility Device Requirements > > > > Mobile devices have both capability and infrastructure differences > >that must be addressed so that they can > > interoperate will an Internet-wide p2p network. These special > >requirements will be outlined, and carefully > > examined in this research track. The results of this effort will > >clearly influence the other tracks discussed below > > since mobile devices must play in any P2P space that our research > >ultimately defines. > > > > Subgroup leader: Frank-Uwe Andersen > > > >o Meta-Data Strategies > > > > Meta-data descriptions are at the core of content distribution, and > >lookup in a P2P network. Thus, addressing various strategies > > for such descriptions is critical early on in our research. Happily, > >Sam Joseph has enthusiastically volunteered to led this effort. > > > > Subgroup leader: Sam Joseph > > > >o Namespaces: managed versus unmanaged > > > > Ad-hoc vrs controlled name spaces: > > > > A managed namespace is controlled by (at least) one authority who is > > responsible for delegating rights to subspaces within the managed > > space. In an unmanaged space, any principal can bind to any name, > > and an external protocol (e.g. cryptographic certificates, or trust > > inference) is used for resolving specific references. > > > > It is not clear which model is more appropriate for the P2P domain; > > clearly, it is attractive to have the IETF (or a similar body) "own" > > some part of the P2P namespaces (much like today's DNS), and have the > > usual name delegation etc. However, the P2P model may be > >decentralized > > by definition, and thus, both approaches are appropriate, and should > > be addressed in this research track. > > > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > > >o Routing and routing primitives > > > > Everything we know about p2p routing and how it relates to the IETF > >routing protocols: > > > > Initially, a survey of current P2P routing techniques is a requirement > >for this research > > track. The feeling is that any overlay network we might chose > >should be routing protocol > > agnostic since different protocols may be appropriate for different > >applications. Think about > > a P2P based file storage system that operates on pages of files versus > >straight forward > > content exchange for example. Would the same routing protocols be > >appropriate in both > > instances given the granularity and latency differences that each > >system can tolerate? > > > > Ultimately, another related path of exploration is to investigate how > >hints from existing Internet > > routing protocols might be used to give hints to aid in building > >application, context specific routing > > tables. > > > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > > >o Peer Discovery/Resource Location/Presence > > > > Once again, there are common sub functions here that all P2P apps > > use, and in this case, it seemed clear that some components could be > > reused by different P2P systems. For example, all P2P systems have > > to solve the "first node" problem for bootstrapping new clients. > > Different possible methods were discussed, including > > DNS/DHCP/rendezvous point schemes. What will the super-peers > > be required to do to fulfill these requirements? > > > > Subgroup leader: To be determined > > > >o Security issues > > > > Security in a P2P system is extremely difficult because of the > >possible > > pure ad-hoc nature and behavior that can exhibit itself. One may and > > and often will not be able to depend on a centralized certificate > >authority > > based PKI to bootstrap secure networks. The requirements are the same: > > Privacy, Authentication, Integrity, and non-repudiation. The possible > >solutions > > are quite interesting and often point towards PGP-like Webs-of-Trust > > and reputation models. > > . > > On the other hand, in an enterprise, a very centralized, CA PKI will be > > necessary for P2P to fly there. On top of this we have the usual DoS > > attacks, the requirement to support anonymous, and autonomous > > peer nodes, etc. > > > > It is appropriate to begin here with a survey of the current P2P > >research > > on security to establish a foundation for discussion, and synergy with > > the IETF security efforts. > > > > This is a difficult and truly interesting area for research. > > > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Nov 16 12:13:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02171 for ; 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Remarkably, only very simple protocols and almost no support by the transport network were needed to make these distributed services operable on a large scale in little time. P2P entails a highly attractive paradigm in distributed computing: P2P is based on communication between equals. The peers are highly autonomous. P2P services provide simple and efficient mechanisms to pool and share exchangeable resources like CPU cycles, disk space or content. These features allow that any peer can be removed without resulting in a complete loss of service, in contrast to the traditional client/server concept where a failure of the central entity may corrupt the service completely. A P2P mode of operation, however, also has some downsides. P2P protocols cause high traffic volumes, including data traffic as well as signaling traffic. P2P network topologies reveal a high variability and P2P traffic patterns of P2P applications fluctuate strongly in time and space. It is anticipated that traditional network design techniques and traffic engineering procedures may not longer be applicable. New methods are needed that maintain the autonomous and self-organizing characteristics of P2P in order to provide appropriate service stability, quality, and efficiency. The focus of the special issue of ETT will include (but is not limited to) the following topics (see also attached pdf file): - P2P applications and services - P2P protocols, algorithms, and infrastructures - Performance measurements and performance analysis of P2P networks - Security, privacy and accounting issues in P2P networks - Mobile P2P over different kinds of bearer services - Mobile P2P algorithms - Mobile P2P & operator/provider requirements - Business cases for P2P Electronic submission of pdf files or uuencoded gzipped postscript files is strongly encouraged. Please send your document to: tutschku@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de The following deadlines will apply: - Submission of manuscripts March 31, 2004 - Notification of acceptance June 15, 2004 - Submission of final manuscript July 15, 2004 - Publication 3rd quarter 2004 Kurt Tutschku (Coordinating guest editor) Depart. Distributed Systems, Institute of Computer Science, University of Wuerzburg, Germany. tutschku@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de Hermann de Meer Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Passau, Germany. demeer@fmi.uni-passau.de Frank-Uwe Andersen ICM - Future IP technologies - Siemens AG, Germany. Frank-Uwe.Andersen@siemens.com Konosuke Kawashima Dept. of Computer, Information and Communication Sciences Tokyo University of Agriculture & Technology, Japan. k-kawa@cc.tuat.ac.jp ------=_NextPart_001_00CE_01C3AAEC.1F3A63F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht

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CALL=20 FOR PAPERS

European=20 Transactions on Telecommunications (ETT)

(http://www.interscience.wiley.com/)

 

Special=20 Issue on P2P Networking and P2P Services

 

Peer-to-peer=20 (P2P) services have evolved to the most popular applications in =

today’s=20 Internet. Remarkably, only very simple protocols and almost no=20 support

by=20 the=20 transport network were needed to make these distributed services=20 operable

on=20 a=20 large scale in little time. P2P entails a highly attractive paradigm in=20

distributed=20 computing:=20 P2P is based on communication between equals. The peers are

highly=20 autonomous. P2P=20 services provide simple and efficient mechanisms to pool and

share=20 exchangeable resources=20 like CPU cycles, disk space or content. These features

allow=20 that any peer can=20 be removed without resulting in a complete loss of service,

in=20 contrast to the traditional=20 client/server concept where a failure of the central

entity=20 may corrupt the=20 service completely. A P2P mode of operation, however, also

has=20 some downsides. P2P=20 protocols cause high traffic volumes, including data traffic

as=20 well as signaling traffic.=20 P2P network topologies reveal a high variability and

P2P=20 traffic patterns of P2P=20 applications fluctuate strongly in time and space. It is

anticipated=20 that traditional network=20 design techniques and traffic engineering procedures

may=20 not longer be applicable. New=20 methods are needed that maintain the autonomous

and=20 self-organizing characteristics of=20 P2P in order to provide appropriate service

stability,=20 quality, and efficiency.  

 

The=20 focus of the special issue of ETT will include (but is not limited to) = the=20 following

topics (see also attached pdf file):=20

 

-=20 P2P applications and services

-=20 P2P protocols, algorithms, and infrastructures

-=20 Performance measurements and performance analysis of P2P=20 networks

-=20 Security, privacy and accounting issues in P2P = networks

-=20 Mobile P2P over different kinds of bearer services

-=20 Mobile P2P algorithms

-=20 Mobile P2P & operator/provider requirements

-=20 Business cases for P2P

 

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-=20 Notification of acceptance           &nbs= p;=20 June=20 15, 2004

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-=20 Publication           &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 3rd quarter 2004

 

 

Kurt=20 Tutschku (Coordinating guest editor)

Depart.=20 Distributed Systems, Institute=20 of Computer=20 Science,
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Frank-Uwe=20 Andersen

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Siemens AG,=20 Germany.

Frank-Uwe.Andersen@siemens.com

 

 

Konosuke=20 Kawashima

Dept.=20 of Computer, Information and Communication = Sciences

Tokyo=20 University=20 of Agriculture=20 &=20 Technology,=20 Japan.

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In-reply-to: To: ydoi@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp Cc: Bill Yeager , p2p-irtf Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Yusuke, On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 01:09 AM, ydoi@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp wrote: > Hi Bill, > > I'm happy to hear we can start focused effort from now. > Some questions at a glance on the tracks and its description. > > 1. I'm interested in `peer group' and standardization of peer group. > Does the `overlay infrastructure' track covers it? Yes, I think that "peer groups" or "contexts" as we discussed them in them meeting are part of the overlay network infrastructure. > i.e.) what operation could be applied to a peer group? what is > minimum requirement to become a member of the group? > is it possible to share a group-forming architecture > as common foundation? These are good questions. There are others too: What is a peer group? How is it described in the context of the general overlay network? It is a subsetting operation for sure. Then your membership requirements apply. How is communication restricted to this context? How is it discovered? Etc. I think the overlay needs to be worked out first. We need to know what we are going to subset. > > 2. The namespace track includes identifier problem? I suppose there > was rough consensus not to have one and ultimate shared universal > P2P ID architecture, but not sure because no discussion is on the > ML. You are correct. We wanted a purely ad-hoc namespace to begin with. This is related to overlay infrastructure since we need a way to lookup peer nodes. We also decided that what we come up with can also be applied to registered/owned namespaces. IANA for example. Many namespaces can live in parallel. > > 3. How will the each group proceeds? discussion on this ML or some > face-to-face meeting? I personally hates too-many-ML-syndrome. > I've been thinking about this and will talk to Vern to see if we can get sub-mailing lists as a way to pre-filter the email. > 4. Will Terminology draft be published from overview track? Published is a good question. The group can create a document for us to share. How much further is goes is not clear to me. Maybe an informational RFC? > > 5. Is there any `official' minute of the kick-off? I'm thinking we have this month to organize. I've been quiet working on other things, clearing my desk, and will be quite active for the rest of the month. We need some kind of RG consensus/input as to the tracks and volunteers for each one hopefully. Bill _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 19 19:17:19 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA24926 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcVK-00083R-CS for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:17:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAK0H2OY030955 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:17:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcVK-00083C-7y for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:17:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA24907 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcVI-0006yP-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:17:00 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcVI-0006yM-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:17:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcVI-00081B-NA; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:17:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcUk-00080p-2z for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:16:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA24891 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcUi-0006y3-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:16:24 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcUh-0006y0-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:16:24 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAK0GOcm012680 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:16:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe1 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOM00DPHJFB7Y@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:16:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOM003XEJFAWP@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:16:23 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:16:21 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-reply-to: <3FB0B027.5090204@charter.net> To: coderman Cc: p2p-irtf Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Martin, On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 01:47 AM, coderman wrote: > ydoi@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp wrote: > >> ... >> 1. I'm interested in `peer group' and standardization of peer group. >> Does the `overlay infrastructure' track covers it? >> i.e.) what operation could be applied to a peer group? what is >> minimum requirement to become a member of the group? >> is it possible to share a group-forming architecture >> as common foundation? >> > I think the Peer Discovery / Resource Location subgroup would be a good > fit for these interests. Peer groups are very useful for transitive > introduction > and resource discovery in general. You are right in both senses. There is overlap wrt to the research tracks. Still, I think we need to define the overlay infrastructure first, see how peer groups are subsetted, and then the discovery/resource location has its part. > >> 2. The namespace track includes identifier problem? I suppose there >> was rough consensus not to have one and ultimate shared universal >> P2P ID architecture, but not sure because no discussion is on the >> ML. >> > Securely identifying resources and peers could also fall under the > security group (hash trees, secure digests, GUID's and nonces, etc) > Right again. Securing the document descriptions, creating meta-data for these documents so they can be looked up using hash*, etc ... > > > Best regards, > Martin Peck > > > [ My site hosting is online and the project I mentioned on list > previously can be found here: http://peertech.org/alpine/ ] > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 19 19:37:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26079 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcoi-0000Hc-JU for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:37:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAK0b44o001082 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:37:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcoh-0000GS-M4 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:37:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA25739 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcof-0007YZ-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:37:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcof-0007YW-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:37:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcof-0000Dq-BQ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:37:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcnv-0000Cy-Mz for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:36:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA25689 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcnt-0007XK-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:36:13 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcns-0007XE-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:36:13 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAK0aD5u008322 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe1 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOM008QPKCCON@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOM00445KCBHS@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:12 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:36:10 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-reply-to: <004401c3a904$e7cdbf90$6d2a2a0a@wladmin> To: Shlomo Berkovsky Cc: Bill Yeager , p2p-irtf Message-id: <89B16706-1AF1-11D8-AFF5-000A95766260@eng.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Shlomo, Sure, you ideas are welcome here. We need to get the details of this proposed ontology understood, and discussed. P2P is so diverse that I am not sure how these ontologies will be described uniquely. This will be a fun discussion, and should get going in December. Thanks! Bill On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 02:08 AM, Shlomo Berkovsky wrote: > Hi Bill, > > We would like to participate in P2P Infrastructures subgroup. The idea > we > would like to propose is to establish ontology-based routing system > (which > is really close to the topics of Meta-data Strategies group). One of > the > possible implementations we thought about is the E-Commerce > infrastructure > for mobile devices, such as cellular phones, PDAs etc... > > Hope we can contribute to these subgroups. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 19 19:45:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26484 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcwS-0001K7-Kn for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAK0j4WB005075 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcwS-0001J3-Ea for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26474 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcwQ-0007kO-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcwP-0007kJ-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcwQ-0001G4-S5; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcw2-0001Et-0k for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:44:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26461 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcw0-0007jt-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:44:36 -0500 Received: from smtp2.att.ne.jp ([165.76.15.138]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcvz-0007jp-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:44:35 -0500 Received: from neurogrid.com (h219-110-056-001.catv01.itscom.jp [219.110.56.1]) by smtp2.att.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F87C25297 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:44:29 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3FBC0E6D.6020809@neurogrid.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:44:29 +0900 From: Sam Joseph Reply-To: sam@neurogrid.com Organization: NeuroGrid http://www.neurogrid.net/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ja-JP; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2p-irtf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [P2Prg] Intel Working Group Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Seeing all of Bill's messages reminded me of a question I had been meaning to ask. What happened to the Intel P2P Working Group? I see their domain name http://www.peer-to-peerwg.org/ no longer points anywhere in particular. It would be interesting to hear what happened there to help us avoid suffering the same fate ... CHEERS> SAM _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 19 19:45:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26486 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcwS-0001KG-Mn for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAK0j4lk005089 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcwS-0001Jp-Hm for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26476 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcwQ-0007kQ-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcwP-0007kK-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcwQ-0001FU-DT; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcvU-0001ER-Bl for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:44:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26445 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcvS-0007jO-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:44:02 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcvR-0007jK-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:44:01 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAK0i2cm019767 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe1 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOM00DD3KPD7Y@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOM003INKPCU8@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:44:01 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:43:59 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-reply-to: <1068742117.3fb3b5e5582a4@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> To: jaltman@columbia.edu Cc: Bill Yeager , p2p-irtf Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Jeff, Collaboration is a great idea. Still, there are security issues that arrive in P2P that tend not to be discussed in the IETF: The entire reputation based trust research area is an example. This goes way beyond PGP into some pretty far out and applicable areas. The details will arrive when the group gets going. This is one of Bobby's specialties, and I, and Rita Chen also have a strong interest here. Bill On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 08:48 AM, jaltman@columbia.edu wrote: > am not sure that we should have our own Security Subtrack. The > IRTF Group Security Research Group (chaired by Peter Dinsmore, > Network Associates Laboratories) has been working actively in > this area for many years. Their work produced the Multicast > Security Working Group approximately four years ago. Since then > they have been meeting regularly at IETF meetings hosting talks > about real world applications of their technologies. > > I attended the research group meeting on Tuesday. The > presentations I saw were directly applicable to our efforts. > More importantly, the GSEC RG is desperately looking for new > problems to solve. They had a large attendance (80 people) at > their meeting. > > Bill, Bobby. I suggest you contact Peter and propose > collaboration. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 19 19:46:15 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26591 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcxJ-0001Q1-1O for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:57 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAK0juXE005444 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:45:56 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcq0-0000ym-HZ for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:38:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26266 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcpx-0007ep-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:38:21 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcpv-0007ef-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:38:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcpm-0000uG-LP; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:38:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMcpT-0000c3-HH for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:37:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26196 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcpR-0007dP-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:37:49 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMcpR-0007dM-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:37:49 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAK0bnPh015493 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:37:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe1 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOM008W3KF1ON@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:37:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOM0044PKF0HS@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:37:49 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:37:47 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Fw: Proposed research tracks ... (haitao chen) In-reply-to: To: haitao chen Cc: p2prg@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Haitao Chen, This sounds very interesting to me, the trust-aware, semantic routing ... You are signed up for both groups. Bill On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 05:20 AM, haitao chen wrote: > 'm intrested in Meta-Data Strategies and Security issues .I am glad to > be a volunteer. > Now I am working on trusted-aware semantic routing. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 20 12:50:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15317 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMswV-0003zK-5J for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:50:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAKHoBot015324 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:50:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMswU-0003z5-9N for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:50:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15304 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMswS-00070G-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:50:08 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMswS-00070D-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:50:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMswM-0003y0-M7; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:50:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMswJ-0003xY-9b for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:49:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15295 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMswH-000704-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:49:57 -0500 Received: from mbx.unige.ch ([129.194.9.229]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMswH-000701-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:49:57 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mbx.unige.ch by mbx.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30787) id <0HON00201W76HE@mbx.unige.ch> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:49:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from cui.unige.ch (ntarapis.unige.ch [129.194.70.17]) by mbx.unige.ch (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30787) with ESMTP id <0HON007WCW76O5@mbx.unige.ch>; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:49:54 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:48:01 +0100 From: Jean-Henry Morin Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... To: Bill Yeager , p2prg@ietf.org Cc: ritayuchen@hotmail.com Message-id: <3FBCFE50.1C6E758B@cui.unige.ch> Organization: University of Geneva - CUI MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by mbx.unige.ch. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi all, I also think there is much work to be done on security with respect to P2P. Following up on Rita's comments ( https://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/p2prg/current/msg00130.html ) there are certainly several issues that should be carefully studied in identifying key security requirements in the context of P2P. For example, considering a language approach in specifying usage rights and policies (be it for peers, endpoints, services -be they peer based, group based or "simply" mobile...). This leads to a whole range of issues to be studied in the interplay between P2P and rights/policy management - languages - as well as trust management. Moreover provisioning such security services in highly decentralized environments does raise some interesting challenges. So, I gladly volunteer to help in the security track. Cheers, jh Bill Yeager wrote: > Hi, > Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please > comment and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: > Thanks, > Bill and Bobby _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 20 13:25:51 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA17227 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMtUg-0007M7-Ri for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:25:33 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAKIPUqN028265 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:25:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMtUg-0007Ld-F5 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:25:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA17168 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMtUe-0007gn-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:25:28 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMtUd-0007gX-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:25:27 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMtUF-0007AJ-7F; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:25:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMtTI-00070h-GZ for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:24:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA17150 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMtTG-0007g6-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:24:02 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMtTF-0007g3-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:24:02 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAKIO1cm006015 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe2 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HON0053TXS1WY@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HON00GSRXRU13@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:24:01 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:23:31 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-reply-to: <3FBCFE50.1C6E758B@cui.unige.ch> To: Jean-Henry Morin Cc: Bill Yeager , p2prg@ietf.org, ritayuchen@hotmail.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Jean-Henry, Great that you want to join the security track. Bill On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 09:48 AM, Jean-Henry Morin wrote: > Moreover provisioning such security services in highly decentralized > environments does raise some interesting challenges. > So, I gladly volunteer to help in the security track. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 20 13:58:22 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18658 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMu0D-0001HX-4Z for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:58:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAKIw5TI004923 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:58:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMu0D-0001HK-17 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:58:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18628 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMu0A-0000PU-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:58:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMu0A-0000PR-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:58:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMu08-0001FI-TW; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:58:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMu04-0001F1-68 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:57:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18598 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMu01-0000P2-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:57:53 -0500 Received: from mail3.panix.com ([166.84.1.74]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMu01-0000Ow-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:57:53 -0500 Received: from mailspool2.panix.com (mailspool2.panix.com [166.84.1.79]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00391A6D10 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from panix.com (24-29-149-149.nyc.rr.com [24.29.149.149]) by mailspool2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED745A4244 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:57:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:57:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: p2prg@ietf.org From: Lucas Gonze Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3FBCFE50.1C6E758B@cui.unige.ch> Message-Id: <5A4B24E2-1B8B-11D8-B053-000393455590@panix.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have sketched out (in Spring 2002) a protocol to enhance the security of P2P nodes. My strategy is to say that the security of a browser is adequate for users, and to look for ways that a desktop web server can approach that level of security. The URL is http://www.gonze.com/http-notifications.html -Lucas On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 12:48 America/New_York, Jean-Henry Morin wrote: > Hi all, > I also think there is much work to be done on security with respect > to P2P. Following up on Rita's comments ( > https://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/p2prg/current/ > msg00130.html ) > there are certainly several issues that should be carefully studied in > identifying key security requirements in the context of P2P. > For example, considering a language approach in specifying > usage rights and policies (be it for peers, endpoints, services -be > they peer based, group based or "simply" mobile...). This leads to > a whole range of issues to be studied in the interplay between P2P > and rights/policy management - languages - as well as trust management. > Moreover provisioning such security services in highly decentralized > environments does raise some interesting challenges. > So, I gladly volunteer to help in the security track. > > Cheers, > jh > > Bill Yeager wrote: > >> Hi, >> Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please >> comment and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: >> Thanks, >> Bill and Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 20 14:19:20 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19477 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMuKU-0002Z9-NN for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:19:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAKJJ20m009857 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:19:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMuKU-0002Yu-Fp for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:19:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19427 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMuKS-0000ga-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:19:00 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMuKR-0000gX-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:18:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMuKS-0002XP-VA; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:19:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMuKB-0002Wt-2G for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:18:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19417 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMuK8-0000gH-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:18:40 -0500 Received: from onionnetworks.com ([207.195.206.201] helo=open-content.net) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMuK8-0000gE-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:18:40 -0500 Received: (qmail 30334 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2003 19:18:33 -0000 Received: from c-24-118-168-87.mn.client2.attbi.com (HELO chapweske.com) (24.118.168.87) by onionnetworks.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2003 19:18:33 -0000 Message-ID: <3FBD138E.2060000@chapweske.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:18:38 -0600 From: Justin Chapweske User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lucas Gonze CC: p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... References: <5A4B24E2-1B8B-11D8-B053-000393455590@panix.com> In-Reply-To: <5A4B24E2-1B8B-11D8-B053-000393455590@panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lucas, After a quick browse, I would suggest that the the subscription duration be changed to a mutually negotiated lease. So, instead of just the server's Notification-Expiration header, you would also add a client request header that would request a length of time for the subscription to last for, with -1 implying "infinity" or "don't care". The server is then free to return a Notification-Expiriation header that is less than, but never greater than the amount of time that the client requests. The addition of mutually negotiated leases is very simple, but greatly increases the flexibility of what you can do with such a system. I would recommend that any P2P system contemplating pings, heart-beats, etc, look instead at a negotiated lease approach. Thanks, -Justin Lucas Gonze wrote: > I have sketched out (in Spring 2002) a protocol to enhance the security > of P2P nodes. My strategy is to say that the security of a browser is > adequate for users, and to look for ways that a desktop web server can > approach that level of security. > > The URL is http://www.gonze.com/http-notifications.html > > -Lucas > > On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 12:48 America/New_York, Jean-Henry Morin > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I also think there is much work to be done on security with respect >> to P2P. Following up on Rita's comments ( >> https://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/p2prg/current/ >> msg00130.html ) >> there are certainly several issues that should be carefully studied in >> identifying key security requirements in the context of P2P. >> For example, considering a language approach in specifying >> usage rights and policies (be it for peers, endpoints, services -be >> they peer based, group based or "simply" mobile...). This leads to >> a whole range of issues to be studied in the interplay between P2P >> and rights/policy management - languages - as well as trust management. >> Moreover provisioning such security services in highly decentralized >> environments does raise some interesting challenges. >> So, I gladly volunteer to help in the security track. >> >> Cheers, >> jh >> >> Bill Yeager wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please >>> comment and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: >>> Thanks, >>> Bill and Bobby >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> P2prg mailing list >> P2prg@irtf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg >> > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg -- Justin Chapweske, Onion Networks http://onionnetworks.com/ _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 20 14:51:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20858 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMupV-0004Vv-UJ for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:51:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAKJp5s8017345 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:51:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMupV-0004Vg-NL for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:51:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20854 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMupS-0001D7-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:51:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMupS-0001D4-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:51:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMupQ-0004TF-Qz; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:51:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMuoX-0004OY-48 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:50:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20783 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMuoU-0001CJ-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:50:02 -0500 Received: from 216-220-241-233.midmaine.com ([216.220.241.233] helo=nic-naa.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMuoT-0001CE-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:50:01 -0500 Received: from nic-naa.net (localhost.wampumpeag.net [127.0.0.1]) by nic-naa.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAKJtMCA061924; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:55:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brunner@nic-naa.net) Message-Id: <200311201955.hAKJtMCA061924@nic-naa.net> To: Justin Chapweske cc: Lucas Gonze , p2prg@ietf.org, brunner@nic-naa.net Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:18:38 CST." <3FBD138E.2060000@chapweske.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:55:22 -0500 From: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This recommendation is consistent with how the p3p wg (w3c) approached temporal properties of data collection policies, so I'm happy with it. > I would recommend that any P2P system contemplating pings, heart-beats, > etc, look instead at a negotiated lease approach. ... > > I have sketched out (in Spring 2002) a protocol to enhance the security > > of P2P nodes. My strategy is to say that the security of a browser is > > adequate for users, _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 20 14:56:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21259 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMuuK-0005dN-Mt for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:56:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAKJu4rq021647 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:56:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMuuK-0005d4-I4 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:56:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21205 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMuuH-0001JK-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:56:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMuuH-0001JG-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:56:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMuuJ-0005at-6e; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:56:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMuuD-0005aN-K8 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:55:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21180 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMuuA-0001Ix-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:55:54 -0500 Received: from 216-220-241-233.midmaine.com ([216.220.241.233] helo=nic-naa.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMuu9-0001Ii-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:55:54 -0500 Received: from nic-naa.net (localhost.wampumpeag.net [127.0.0.1]) by nic-naa.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAKK1CCA061971; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:01:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brunner@nic-naa.net) Message-Id: <200311202001.hAKK1CCA061971@nic-naa.net> To: Bill Yeager cc: p2p-irtf , brunner@nic-naa.net Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:41:47 PST." Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:01:12 -0500 From: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Howdy Bill, I'm interested in namespaces, and meta-data (p3p and drm). Eric _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 20 15:10:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22378 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMv7v-0006b2-O5 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:10:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAKKA7aL025350 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:10:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMv7v-0006an-IK for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:10:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22320 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMv7s-0001Xb-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:10:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMv7s-0001XY-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:10:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMv7q-0006Yf-4M; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:10:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMv7B-0006T8-DE for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:09:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22223 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMv78-0001Wx-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:09:18 -0500 Received: from mail1.panix.com ([166.84.1.72]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMv77-0001Wt-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:09:17 -0500 Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FCF6E1B7; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from panix.com (24-29-149-149.nyc.rr.com [24.29.149.149]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61057181B4E; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:09:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:09:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: Justin Chapweske , p2prg@ietf.org To: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine From: Lucas Gonze In-Reply-To: <200311201955.hAKJtMCA061924@nic-naa.net> Message-Id: <66E3889C-1B95-11D8-B053-000393455590@panix.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm afraid I know pretty much nothing about P3P, Eric. When you say temporal properties are you referring to the length of data retention? - Lucas On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 14:55 America/New_York, Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote: > This recommendation is consistent with how the p3p wg (w3c) approached > temporal properties of data collection policies, so I'm happy with it. > >> I would recommend that any P2P system contemplating pings, >> heart-beats, >> etc, look instead at a negotiated lease approach. > ... >>> I have sketched out (in Spring 2002) a protocol to enhance the >>> security >>> of P2P nodes. My strategy is to say that the security of a browser >>> is >>> adequate for users, > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 20 15:28:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23948 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMvPJ-0007kj-Aa for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:28:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAKKS5MC029798 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:28:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMvPI-0007jY-TO for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:28:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23880 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMvPH-0001nh-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:28:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMvPH-0001ne-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:28:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMvPF-0007i5-5t; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:28:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMvOc-0007fj-6T for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:27:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23761 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMvOa-0001mN-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:27:20 -0500 Received: from mail1.panix.com ([166.84.1.72]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMvOa-0001mK-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:27:20 -0500 Received: from mailspool2.panix.com (mailspool2.panix.com [166.84.1.79]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0BB5B50E; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from panix.com (24-29-149-149.nyc.rr.com [24.29.149.149]) by mailspool2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2676A4242; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:27:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:27:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine , Justin Chapweske , p2prg@ietf.org To: Lucas Gonze From: Lucas Gonze In-Reply-To: <66E3889C-1B95-11D8-B053-000393455590@panix.com> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pardon, I think you're thinking of the P3P EXPIRY element. I'll have to do some reading before I know how well the semantics match up. Let's take this offlist, unless there are people who prefer otherwise. - Lucas On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 15:09 America/New_York, Lucas Gonze wrote: > > I'm afraid I know pretty much nothing about P3P, Eric. When you say > temporal properties are you referring to the length of data retention? > > - Lucas > > On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 14:55 America/New_York, Eric > Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote: > >> This recommendation is consistent with how the p3p wg (w3c) approached >> temporal properties of data collection policies, so I'm happy with it. >> >>> I would recommend that any P2P system contemplating pings, >>> heart-beats, >>> etc, look instead at a negotiated lease approach. >> ... >>>> I have sketched out (in Spring 2002) a protocol to enhance the >>>> security >>>> of P2P nodes. My strategy is to say that the security of a browser >>>> is >>>> adequate for users, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> P2prg mailing list >> P2prg@irtf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg >> > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 20 15:39:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24736 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:39:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMvZv-00016G-9W for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:39:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAKKd3ff004168 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:39:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMvZv-000159-19 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:39:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24703 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMvZt-00022U-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:39:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMvZt-00022R-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:39:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMvZt-00013N-3U; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:39:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AMvZ7-0000zI-1t for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:38:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24675 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMvZ5-00021t-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:38:11 -0500 Received: from 216-220-241-233.midmaine.com ([216.220.241.233] helo=nic-naa.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AMvZ4-00021p-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:38:11 -0500 Received: from nic-naa.net (localhost.wampumpeag.net [127.0.0.1]) by nic-naa.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hAKKhWCA062192; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:43:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brunner@nic-naa.net) Message-Id: <200311202043.hAKKhWCA062192@nic-naa.net> To: Lucas Gonze cc: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine , Justin Chapweske , p2prg@ietf.org, brunner@nic-naa.net Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:09:09 EST." <66E3889C-1B95-11D8-B053-000393455590@panix.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:43:32 -0500 From: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Lucas, The general problem is how to avoid re-evaluation of a policy, with all the fetch-and-eval overhead that entails, on a browser's url fetch. So no, it isn't the length of data retention, that's in the specific domain of data collection, it is the EXPIRY and all the non-published work we did on how to provide some temporal mechanism(s) to avoid the problem. Off-list is fine. Eric _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 21 00:20:28 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA17878 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3iG-0000QB-7r for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:20:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAL5KB16001604 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:20:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3iE-0000Pm-0H for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:20:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA17869 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3iB-0003kJ-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:20:07 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3iB-0003kF-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:20:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3i5-0000OY-SP; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:20:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3hr-0000O7-05 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:19:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA17862 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3ho-0003kB-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:19:44 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3ho-0003k7-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:19:44 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAL5Jicm028395 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:19:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe2 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOO002SOS4VFQ@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:19:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOO00A9TS4TXT@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:19:43 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:19:41 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ...(application research) In-reply-to: <3FB5893E.3060407@columbia.edu> To: p2prg@ietf.org Cc: haitao chen Message-id: <4F9B9412-1BE2-11D8-9745-000A95766260@eng.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_HSKTute33v8I18Rwxz907A)" Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --Boundary_(ID_HSKTute33v8I18Rwxz907A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Are we talking Agents? I haven't yet revealed my full Java Mobile Agent Research on Jxta. I actually have self-administration working, in the sense that they keep what I call the "administrative heartbeat" of any part of the overlay network. Cool stuff ... I actually have 5 patents pending on this technology, and the IPR is under RFC2026's policies. The applications of this technology are almost unlimited. There is a lot of this work going on in this area at the University of Geneva ... Bill On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > think Chandler from the OSAF has the potential to be the killer app > for P2P > > http://www.osafoundation.org > > Jeffrey Altman > --Boundary_(ID_HSKTute33v8I18Rwxz907A) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Are we talking Agents? I haven't yet revealed my full Java Mobile Agent Research on Jxta. I actually have self-administration working, in the sense that they keep what I call the "administrative heartbeat" of any part of the overlay network. Cool stuff ... I actually have 5 patents pending on this technology, and the IPR is under RFC2026's policies. The applications of this technology are almost unlimited. There is a lot of this work going on in this area at the University of Geneva ... Bill On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Jeffrey Altman wrote: think Chandler from the OSAF has the potential to be the killer app for P2P 0000,6666,0000http://www.osafoundation.org Jeffrey Altman --Boundary_(ID_HSKTute33v8I18Rwxz907A)-- _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 21 00:22:19 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA17920 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3k2-0000ZS-Mv for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:22:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAL5M2Kv002188 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:22:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3k2-0000ZD-HI for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:22:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA17904 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3k0-0003l9-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:22:00 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3jz-0003l6-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:21:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3k1-0000VY-1v; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:22:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3jt-0000VF-5Z for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:21:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA17901 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3jq-0003l3-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:21:50 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3jq-0003l0-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:21:50 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAL5Lpcm028793 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:21:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe2 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOO00KUSS8EVS@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:21:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOO00AGES8DYD@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:21:50 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:21:49 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Re: P2prg digest, Vol 1 #73 - 2 msgs In-reply-to: <20031115051512.52941.qmail@web41307.mail.yahoo.com> To: Abrar Bin Yousuf Cc: p2prg@ietf.org Message-id: <9BD56240-1BE2-11D8-9745-000A95766260@eng.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Are you volunteering for our RG Security research track? Bill On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 09:15 PM, Abrar Bin Yousuf wrote: > As such to set up a security research group would be > great AFAIT. > > Regards, > Abrar Bin Yousuf _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 21 00:27:20 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18048 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3ot-0000sk-B8 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:27:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAL5R3GU003384 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:27:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3ot-0000sV-5W for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:27:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18045 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3oq-0003ns-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:27:00 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3oq-0003np-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:27:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3or-0000qO-Gv; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:27:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3nv-0000pi-8f for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:26:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18021 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3ns-0003nI-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:26:00 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3ns-0003nD-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:26:00 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAL5Q1cm029507 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe2 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOO002Z2SFCFQ@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOO00GI8SFBTZ@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:26:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:25:59 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ...(application research) In-reply-to: <878ymivwu0.wl@ns2.airy.org.gohan.to> To: ydoi@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp Cc: haitao chen , p2prg@ietf.org Message-id: <3070B48F-1BE3-11D8-9745-000A95766260@eng.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Speaking of applications, I'm thinking we may need an applications subgroup. It can provide use cases right up front, and some vision to where this is all going. I personally don't think there is a "killer app," but rather P2P itself is the killer infrastructure. It will sprout apps like a lawn sprouts dandelions in the Spring time! And, these reseed themselves very quickly. Bill On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 12:51 AM, ydoi@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp wrote: > Hi, > > Personally, I believe this RG are going to focus on technical > difficulty. More than survey (like the survey subtrack) on > applications is too broad to do here. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 21 00:30:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18105 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3ro-000105-94 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:30:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAL5U4ZD003846 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:30:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3ro-0000zx-3e for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:30:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18098 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3rl-0003pa-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:30:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3rk-0003pX-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:30:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3rm-0000wC-4F; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:30:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3ri-0000vc-Nl for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:29:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18088 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3rf-0003pM-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:29:55 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3rf-0003p8-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:29:55 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAL5TX5u018064 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:29:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe2 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOO00MY8SL8AS@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:29:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOO00AARSL5XT@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:29:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:29:29 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-reply-to: <5A4B24E2-1B8B-11D8-B053-000393455590@panix.com> To: Lucas Gonze Cc: p2prg@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ekjvakHIPZQm9Jy+duRyKw)" Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --Boundary_(ID_ekjvakHIPZQm9Jy+duRyKw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thanks for the reference Lucas. I'll check this out after I catch up with this mailing list... Bill On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 10:57 AM, Lucas Gonze wrote: > I have sketched out (in Spring 2002) a protocol to enhance the > security of P2P nodes. My strategy is to say that the security of a > browser is adequate for users, and to look for ways that a desktop web > server can approach that level of security. > > The URL is http://www.gonze.com/http-notifications.html --Boundary_(ID_ekjvakHIPZQm9Jy+duRyKw) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thanks for the reference Lucas. I'll check this out after I catch up with this mailing list... Bill On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 10:57 AM, Lucas Gonze wrote: I have sketched out (in Spring 2002) a protocol to enhance the security of P2P nodes. My strategy is to say that the security of a browser is adequate for users, and to look for ways that a desktop web server can approach that level of security. The URL is 1999,1999,FFFFhttp://www.gonze.com/http-notifications.html --Boundary_(ID_ekjvakHIPZQm9Jy+duRyKw)-- _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 21 00:32:18 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18200 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3ti-00014w-Ge for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:32:02 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAL5W2Ui004140 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:32:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3ti-00014h-AH for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:32:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18189 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:31:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3tf-0003ta-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:31:59 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3tf-0003tX-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:31:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3tg-00012b-NX; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:32:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AN3sk-00011A-Cl for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:31:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18131 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3sh-0003qO-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:30:59 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AN3sg-0003qH-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:30:59 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAL5UxPh016837 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe2 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOO0027NSNNFQ@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([67.124.118.193]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOO00AAVSNLXT@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:30:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:30:57 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-reply-to: <200311202001.hAKK1CCA061971@nic-naa.net> To: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine Cc: Bill Yeager , p2p-irtf Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Got it ... Thanks, Bill On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote: > Howdy Bill, > > I'm interested in namespaces, and meta-data (p3p and drm). _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 21 13:57:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA26701 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANGSo-00042N-0B for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:57:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hALIv5Cs015518 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:57:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANGSn-00042D-SP for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:57:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA26692 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANGSl-00072o-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:57:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANGSl-00072l-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:57:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANGSj-000409-6c; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:57:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANGRz-0003yD-UO for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:56:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA26636 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANGRw-00071b-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:56:12 -0500 Received: from inet-mail1.oracle.com ([148.87.2.201]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANGRv-00071D-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:56:11 -0500 Received: from rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (rgmgw6.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.15]) by inet-mail1.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id hALItcR4014660; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:55:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.5/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id hALItbt20619; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:55:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from oracle.com (smendiol-pc1.us.oracle.com [130.35.44.76]) by rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.5/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id hALItat20570; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:55:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3FBE5F74.2040606@oracle.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:54:44 -0800 From: Sergio Mendiola Organization: Oracle Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Yeager , p2p-irtf Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bill, I was not available to attend the first meeting, so I am not sure if the following issues were discussed. How is each subtrack/group going to proceed? any particular structure, deliverables, life time, etc. Assuming the same ML will be used, here is a suggestion to facilitate communication, specify the subtrack at the beginning off each email's subject, for example: [Overview] [Overlay] [Mobility] [Meta-Data] [Namespaces] [Routing] [Discovery] we can always create filters if we are not interested in a particular track, but still have access to them if we want. My interests primarily are on discovery and overly infrastructure. Sergio Bill Yeager wrote: > Hi, > > Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please > comment and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: > > Thanks, > > Bill and Bobby > > ------- > > In all of the research tracks below the overriding consideration is > that we do not reinvent any wheels. Care must be taken to look for > possible relationships with, or extrapolations of ideas in current RFC's. > > o Overview of current P2P systems > > A short term effort to give us a baseline of current P2P system > behavior. What is there that is relevant > to the following research subgroups. > > Subgroup leaders: Bill and Bobby > > o P2P Overlay Infrastructure > > What are the requirements of such an infrastructure to guarantee > both end-to-end communication between > any two peer nodes independently of the underlying real > infrastructure? What will the UUID's be for such > peer nodes? Will they resemble IP.V6 addresses for example? Can > they be created in such a way as to > make mobility implicit without any special changes to the > discovery and routing protocols we use? > > Subgroup leaders: Bill Yeager, Jeff Altman (Is there another > volunteer out there?) > > o P2P Mobility Device Requirements > > Mobile devices have both capability and infrastructure differences > that must be addressed so that they can > interoperate will an Internet-wide p2p network. These special > requirements will be outlined, and carefully > examined in this research track. The results of this effort > will clearly influence the other tracks discussed below > since mobile devices must play in any P2P space that our research > ultimately defines. > > Subgroup leader: Frank-Uwe Andersen > > o Meta-Data Strategies > > Meta-data descriptions are at the core of content distribution, > and lookup in a P2P network. Thus, addressing various strategies > for such descriptions is critical early on in our research. > Happily, Sam Joseph has enthusiastically volunteered to led this effort. > > Subgroup leader: Sam Joseph > > o Namespaces: managed versus unmanaged > > Ad-hoc vrs controlled name spaces: > > A managed namespace is controlled by (at least) one authority who is > responsible for delegating rights to subspaces within the managed > space. In an unmanaged space, any principal can bind to any name, > and an external protocol (e.g. cryptographic certificates, or trust > inference) is used for resolving specific references. > > It is not clear which model is more appropriate for the P2P domain; > clearly, it is attractive to have the IETF (or a similar body) "own" > some part of the P2P namespaces (much like today's DNS), and have > the > usual name delegation etc. However, the P2P model may be > decentralized > by definition, and thus, both approaches are appropriate, and should > be addressed in this research track. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > o Routing and routing primitives > > Everything we know about p2p routing and how it relates to the > IETF routing protocols: > > Initially, a survey of current P2P routing techniques is a > requirement for this research > track. The feeling is that any overlay network we might chose > should be routing protocol > agnostic since different protocols may be appropriate for > different applications. Think about > a P2P based file storage system that operates on pages of files > versus straight forward > content exchange for example. Would the same routing protocols be > appropriate in both > instances given the granularity and latency differences that each > system can tolerate? > > Ultimately, another related path of exploration is to investigate > how hints from existing Internet > routing protocols might be used to give hints to aid in building > application, context specific routing > tables. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > o Peer Discovery/Resource Location/Presence > > Once again, there are common sub functions here that all P2P apps > use, and in this case, it seemed clear that some components > could be > reused by different P2P systems. For example, all P2P systems have > to solve the "first node" problem for bootstrapping new clients. > Different possible methods were discussed, including > DNS/DHCP/rendezvous point schemes. What will the super-peers > be required to do to fulfill these requirements? > > Subgroup leader: To be determined > > o Security issues > > Security in a P2P system is extremely difficult because of the > possible > pure ad-hoc nature and behavior that can exhibit itself. One may and > and often will not be able to depend on a centralized certificate > authority > based PKI to bootstrap secure networks. The requirements are the > same: > Privacy, Authentication, Integrity, and non-repudiation. The > possible solutions > are quite interesting and often point towards PGP-like Webs-of-Trust > and reputation models. > . > On the other hand, in an enterprise, a very centralized, CA PKI > will be > necessary for P2P to fly there. On top of this we have the usual DoS > attacks, the requirement to support anonymous, and autonomous > peer nodes, etc. > > It is appropriate to begin here with a survey of the current P2P > research > on security to establish a foundation for discussion, and synergy > with > the IETF security efforts. > > This is a difficult and truly interesting area for research. > > Subgroup leader: To be determined. > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 21 14:02:22 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26885 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANGXc-0004Ur-7w for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:02:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hALJ24je017279 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:02:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANGXc-0004Uc-26 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:02:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26873 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANGXZ-00077d-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:02:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANGXZ-00077a-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:02:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANGXa-0004Sc-5d; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:02:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANGX0-0004Nd-11 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:01:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26870 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANGWx-00076r-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:01:23 -0500 Received: from onionnetworks.com ([207.195.206.201] helo=open-content.net) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANGWx-00075n-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:01:23 -0500 Received: (qmail 2530 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 19:01:16 -0000 Received: from c-24-118-168-87.mn.client2.attbi.com (HELO chapweske.com) (24.118.168.87) by onionnetworks.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 19:01:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3FBE6102.4090701@chapweske.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:01:22 -0600 From: Justin Chapweske User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sergio Mendiola CC: Bill Yeager , p2p-irtf Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... References: <3FBE5F74.2040606@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <3FBE5F74.2040606@oracle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I agree with Sergio in that I would rather not have seperate mailing lists for each track. I am more of a P2P generalist and believe that many of the issues discussed will have concerns that overlap many tracks. My 2 cents, -Justin Sergio Mendiola wrote: > Hi Bill, > > I was not available to attend the first meeting, so I am not sure if the > following issues were discussed. > > How is each subtrack/group going to proceed? any particular structure, > deliverables, life time, etc. > > Assuming the same ML will be used, here is a suggestion to facilitate > communication, specify the subtrack at the beginning off each email's > subject, for example: > [Overview] > [Overlay] > [Mobility] > [Meta-Data] > [Namespaces] > [Routing] > [Discovery] > > we can always create filters if we are not interested in a particular > track, but still have access to them if we want. > > My interests primarily are on discovery and overly infrastructure. > > Sergio > > > Bill Yeager wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Here is our first proposal for research tracks in our RG. Please >> comment and/or volunteer so we can get this show on the road (-: >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill and Bobby >> >> ------- >> >> In all of the research tracks below the overriding consideration is >> that we do not reinvent any wheels. Care must be taken to look for >> possible relationships with, or extrapolations of ideas in current RFC's. >> >> o Overview of current P2P systems >> >> A short term effort to give us a baseline of current P2P system >> behavior. What is there that is relevant >> to the following research subgroups. >> >> Subgroup leaders: Bill and Bobby >> >> o P2P Overlay Infrastructure >> >> What are the requirements of such an infrastructure to guarantee >> both end-to-end communication between >> any two peer nodes independently of the underlying real >> infrastructure? What will the UUID's be for such >> peer nodes? Will they resemble IP.V6 addresses for example? Can >> they be created in such a way as to >> make mobility implicit without any special changes to the >> discovery and routing protocols we use? >> >> Subgroup leaders: Bill Yeager, Jeff Altman (Is there another >> volunteer out there?) >> >> o P2P Mobility Device Requirements >> >> Mobile devices have both capability and infrastructure differences >> that must be addressed so that they can >> interoperate will an Internet-wide p2p network. These special >> requirements will be outlined, and carefully >> examined in this research track. The results of this effort >> will clearly influence the other tracks discussed below >> since mobile devices must play in any P2P space that our research >> ultimately defines. >> >> Subgroup leader: Frank-Uwe Andersen >> >> o Meta-Data Strategies >> >> Meta-data descriptions are at the core of content distribution, >> and lookup in a P2P network. Thus, addressing various strategies >> for such descriptions is critical early on in our research. >> Happily, Sam Joseph has enthusiastically volunteered to led this effort. >> >> Subgroup leader: Sam Joseph >> >> o Namespaces: managed versus unmanaged >> >> Ad-hoc vrs controlled name spaces: >> >> A managed namespace is controlled by (at least) one authority who is >> responsible for delegating rights to subspaces within the managed >> space. In an unmanaged space, any principal can bind to any name, >> and an external protocol (e.g. cryptographic certificates, or trust >> inference) is used for resolving specific references. >> >> It is not clear which model is more appropriate for the P2P domain; >> clearly, it is attractive to have the IETF (or a similar body) "own" >> some part of the P2P namespaces (much like today's DNS), and have >> the >> usual name delegation etc. However, the P2P model may be >> decentralized >> by definition, and thus, both approaches are appropriate, and should >> be addressed in this research track. >> >> Subgroup leader: To be determined. >> >> o Routing and routing primitives >> >> Everything we know about p2p routing and how it relates to the >> IETF routing protocols: >> >> Initially, a survey of current P2P routing techniques is a >> requirement for this research >> track. The feeling is that any overlay network we might chose >> should be routing protocol >> agnostic since different protocols may be appropriate for >> different applications. Think about >> a P2P based file storage system that operates on pages of files >> versus straight forward >> content exchange for example. Would the same routing protocols be >> appropriate in both >> instances given the granularity and latency differences that each >> system can tolerate? >> >> Ultimately, another related path of exploration is to investigate >> how hints from existing Internet >> routing protocols might be used to give hints to aid in building >> application, context specific routing >> tables. >> >> Subgroup leader: To be determined. >> >> o Peer Discovery/Resource Location/Presence >> >> Once again, there are common sub functions here that all P2P apps >> use, and in this case, it seemed clear that some components >> could be >> reused by different P2P systems. For example, all P2P systems have >> to solve the "first node" problem for bootstrapping new clients. >> Different possible methods were discussed, including >> DNS/DHCP/rendezvous point schemes. What will the super-peers >> be required to do to fulfill these requirements? >> >> Subgroup leader: To be determined >> >> o Security issues >> >> Security in a P2P system is extremely difficult because of the >> possible >> pure ad-hoc nature and behavior that can exhibit itself. One may and >> and often will not be able to depend on a centralized certificate >> authority >> based PKI to bootstrap secure networks. The requirements are the >> same: >> Privacy, Authentication, Integrity, and non-repudiation. The >> possible solutions >> are quite interesting and often point towards PGP-like Webs-of-Trust >> and reputation models. >> . >> On the other hand, in an enterprise, a very centralized, CA PKI >> will be >> necessary for P2P to fly there. On top of this we have the usual DoS >> attacks, the requirement to support anonymous, and autonomous >> peer nodes, etc. >> >> It is appropriate to begin here with a survey of the current P2P >> research >> on security to establish a foundation for discussion, and synergy >> with >> the IETF security efforts. >> >> This is a difficult and truly interesting area for research. >> >> Subgroup leader: To be determined. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> P2prg mailing list >> P2prg@irtf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg >> > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg -- Justin Chapweske, Onion Networks http://onionnetworks.com/ _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 21 22:49:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA17869 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANOld-00056L-Jv for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAM3n58w019605 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANOld-000568-F0 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA17866 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANOlZ-0006lK-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANOlZ-0006lH-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANOlY-000556-Vz; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ANOl7-000540-8N for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:48:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA17857 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANOl3-0006lA-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:48:29 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ANOl2-0006l7-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:48:28 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAM3mSPh001591 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:48:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe2 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOQ002GZIKRHK@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:48:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([63.202.174.104]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOQ00HEAIKQYW@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:48:27 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:48:25 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-reply-to: <3FBE5F74.2040606@oracle.com> To: Sergio Mendiola Cc: Bill Yeager , p2p-irtf Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Sergio, Thanks for the note. On Friday, November 21, 2003, at 10:54 AM, Sergio Mendiola wrote: > > I was not available to attend the first meeting, so I am not sure if > the following issues were discussed. > > How is each subtrack/group going to proceed? any particular > structure, deliverables, life time, etc. > As independently as is possible is the proposal. Cross pollination is inevitable and some tracks are prerequisites for the others, e. g., Overlay is defines the substrate upon which the system will operate. I'm imagining a large participation there. Otherwise, we haven't formalized the structure to that extent of deliverables and life time yet. It is our next step, and I believe they will be subgroup determined. > Assuming the same ML will be used, here is a suggestion to facilitate > communication, specify the subtrack at the beginning off each email's > subject, for example: > [Overview] > [Overlay] > [Mobility] > [Meta-Data] > [Namespaces] > [Routing] > [Discovery] > > we can always create filters if we are not interested in a particular > track, but still have access to them if we want. I've been thinking the same thing. Still, I want to see if we can have multiple mailing lists. I'm not sure how the IRTF works in this case. Bill _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Nov 23 21:25:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA08088 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AO6PX-0006UV-M4 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:25:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAO2PBCK024945 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:25:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AO6PX-0006UG-HF for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:25:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA08081 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AO6PU-00034Y-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:25:08 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AO6PU-00034U-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:25:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AO6PN-0006TC-D0; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:25:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AO6PH-0006Sh-TX for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:24:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA08070 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AO6PF-00034E-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:24:53 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AO6PE-00034B-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:24:52 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAO2OqPh009100 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:24:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe2 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOU00JDM41G36@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:24:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([68.120.154.44]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOU0088Z41E5P@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:24:52 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:24:52 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Proposed research tracks ... In-reply-to: <3FBE6102.4090701@chapweske.com> To: Justin Chapweske Cc: Sergio Mendiola , Bill Yeager , p2p-irtf Message-id: <62AECE12-1E25-11D8-B244-000A95766260@eng.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Justin, Thanks for your note and the expression of your preference. I imagine we will end up with using subgroup names in the Subject lines. But, I still think that as long as you can subscribe to multiple mailing lists, the mailing lists will simplify the effort for those who are not generalists. If is is possible to have mailing lists, I don't know yet, then the fair thing to do will be to vote on it, and go with the RG's majority opinion. Hope that is OK? Bill On Friday, November 21, 2003, at 11:01 AM, Justin Chapweske wrote: > I think I agree with Sergio in that I would rather not have seperate > mailing lists for each track. I am more of a P2P generalist and > believe that many of the issues discussed will have concerns that > overlap many tracks. > > My 2 cents, _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 24 12:55:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA18969 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOKvX-0004Ra-D3 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:55:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAOHtBtf017076 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:55:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOKvX-0004RL-4V for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:55:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA18955 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOKvU-0001Os-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:55:08 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOKvU-0001Op-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:55:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOKvO-0004Q3-0k; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOKv9-0004PC-Gn for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:54:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA18942 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:54:31 -0500 (EST) From: shudo@ni.aist.go.jp Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOKv7-0001OZ-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:54:45 -0500 Received: from mx1.aist.go.jp ([150.29.246.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOKv6-0001OW-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:54:45 -0500 Received: from rpsmtp1.aist.go.jp by mx1.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id hAOHshLY020585 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:54:43 +0900 (JST) env-from (shudo@ni.aist.go.jp) Received: from smtp2.aist.go.jp by rpsmtp1.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id hAOHsg0R015719 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:54:42 +0900 (JST) env-from (shudo@ni.aist.go.jp) Received: from aist.go.jp by smtp2.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id hAOHsfLm023664 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:54:42 +0900 (JST) env-from (shudo@ni.aist.go.jp) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:55:09 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20031125.025509.966916604.shudo@localhost> To: p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Intel Working Group In-Reply-To: <3FBC0E6D.6020809@neurogrid.com> References: <3FBC0E6D.6020809@neurogrid.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on XEmacs 21.4.12 (Portable Code) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sam Joseph > Seeing all of Bill's messages reminded me of a question I had been > meaning to ask. What happened to the Intel P2P Working Group? I see > their domain name http://www.peer-to-peerwg.org/ no longer points > anywhere in particular. It would be interesting to hear what happened > there to help us avoid suffering the same fate ... The P2PWG was initiated by Intel in October 2000 and merged into the GGF (Global Grid Forum) in April 2002. One of area directors of the GGF P2P area, Andrew Chien has said the WG could not have enough momentum to drive their activities when it was merged. Kazuyuki Shudo Grid Technology Research Center National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology (AIST) _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 24 13:39:17 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20508 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOLbx-0007KZ-Ts for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:39:02 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAOId1kX028173 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:39:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOLbx-0007KK-O3 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:39:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20500 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOLbv-0001zV-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:38:59 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOLbv-0001zS-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:38:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOLbw-0007IF-4G; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:39:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOLbI-0007Bv-9w for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:38:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20460 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOLbF-0001yS-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:38:17 -0500 Received: from mta1.lbl.gov ([128.3.41.24]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOLbF-0001y2-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:38:17 -0500 Received: from mta1.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.lbl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAOIbifw020707 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lbl.gov (h0006257b3da0.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.131.160.4]) by mta1.lbl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAOIbhbI020668 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:37:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FC24FEF.8040903@lbl.gov> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:37:35 -0500 From: Karlo Berket User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, hr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2prg@ietf.org References: <20031124170005.306.78272.Mailman@www1.ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <20031124170005.306.78272.Mailman@www1.ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [P2Prg] Re: Proposed research tracks Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am interested in the overlay, discovery and security tracks. Please let me know how I can be of help. Thanks, Karlo _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 24 13:41:20 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20559 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOLdw-0007Va-Ld for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:41:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAOIf4Df028855 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:41:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOLdw-0007VK-GK for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:41:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20545 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOLdu-00020n-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:41:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOLdt-00020k-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:41:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOLdu-0007TM-Jd; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:41:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOLdp-0007T0-2z for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:40:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20539 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOLdm-00020c-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:40:54 -0500 Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu ([128.8.129.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOLdm-00020H-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:40:54 -0500 Received: (from bobby@localhost) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.12.10/8.12.5) id hAOIeO7S019100; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:40:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:40:24 -0500 (EST) From: Samrat Bhattacharjee Message-Id: <200311241840.hAOIeO7S019100@ringding.cs.umd.edu> To: kberket@lbl.gov, p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Re: Proposed research tracks Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , |I am interested in the overlay, discovery and security tracks. Please |let me know how I can be of help. Certainly. I'm trying to organize a mapping of interested folk to subgroups, and I will add you to the tracks you mentioned. bobby _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 24 21:39:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA17262 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOT6c-0004LC-5s for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:39:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAP2dADr016682 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:39:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOT6c-0004Kz-1y for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:39:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA17255 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOT6Z-0003Yb-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:39:07 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOT6Y-0003YX-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:39:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOT6T-0004Jz-6I; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:39:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOT5V-0004FO-AT for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:38:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA17241 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOT5S-0003Y7-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:37:58 -0500 Received: from laime.cs.uchicago.edu ([128.135.11.94]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOT5S-0003Xl-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:37:58 -0500 Received: from olive (nsit-s227-36.uchicago.edu [128.135.227.36]) by laime.cs.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 30DD76BE1C for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:37:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <047a01c3b2fd$b3084700$8ce58780@olive> From: "Adriana Iamnitchi" To: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:41:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [P2Prg] Global and Peer-to Peer Computing 2004 -->Deadline extension: December 5 Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Extended Deadline: DECEMBER 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPERS Fourth International Workshop on GLOBAL and PEER-TO-PEER Computing "From Theory to Practice" (http://GP2PC.lri.fr) organized at the IEEE/ACM International Symposium on Cluster Computing and the Grid 2004 IEEE/ACM CCGRID 2004 Chicago, USA, April 2004 In cooperation with the IEEE Task Force on Cluster Computing (TFCC) ------------------------------------------------------------------- SCOPE Global computing systems aim to harness Internet-connected resources at a global scale. A global computing platform can be built in a pre-defined, stable, organized fashion (more like today's Grids) or can be self-organizing, ad-hoc, decentralized, like in Peer-to-Peer systems. Supporting computation on such systems raises a novel set of questions. Because of size, autonomy and the high volatility of their resources, Global Computing and P2P platforms provide the opportunity to revisit major fields of distributed computing: protocols, infrastructures, security, fault tolerance, scheduling, performance, services, applications, incentives for cooperation, etc. Moreover, new issues concerning installation, utilization, flexibility and scalability become more relevant than ever. Authors are invited to submit original, unpublished work describing current research and novel ideas in the area of Global and Peer-to-Peer Computing as well as experiences with the deployment of Global and Peer-to-Peer Computing technologies. Papers whose contributions are supported by experimental or theoretical evaluations are strongly encouraged. TOPICS Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Global Computing and Peer-to-Peer platforms * P2P Merging / Interoperability with Grids (OGSA/I) * Software technology evaluations: Web Services, Grid services * Middleware, programming models, environments and toolkits * Protocols for resource management (discovery, reservation, scheduling, monitoring) * Economic considerations of resource usage (protocols, accounting) * Storage in Global Computing infrastructures (strategies, protocols) * Performance measurements, benchmarking, and modeling of Global Computing and Peer-to-Peer systems * Security * Result certification (detection/tolerance of corrupted results) * Parallel computing on large-scale distributed systems * Compute & I/O driven applications * Global and peer-to-peer computing applications (programmed from scratch, ported from sequential or parallel implementations, adaptations to fit a global computing environment) PAPER SUBMISSION We invite you to submit a full paper of up to 8 pages in IEEE format (10pt font, two-columns, single-spaced) at: http://gp2pc.lri.fr/REG-paper/ Or visit the workshop web page at http://GP2PC.lri.fr for all information regarding the paper submission. IMPORTANT DATES Submission deadline: December 5, 2003 (extended, hard deadline) Notification to authors: January 10, 2004 Final version of papers due: January 19, 2004 PROGRAM COMMITTEE: David Anderson, University of Berkeley, SETI@home project, USA Franck Cappello, INRIA/LRI, Paris-South University, France Henri Casanova, SDSC, California, USA Andrew Chien, UCSD, California, USA Adriana Iamnitchi, University of Chicago, USA Spyros Lalis, University of Tessaly, Greece Serge Petiton, University of Lille, France Olivier Richard, INRIA ID, Grenoble, France Alexander Reinefeld, Zuse Institute Berlin, Germany Arnold Rosenberg, DCS, Massachusetts, USA Mitsuhisa Sato, CCP, University of Tsukuba, Japan Domenico Talia, DEIS, University of Calabria, Italy Bernard Traversat, SUN, Jxta, USA WORKSHOP CHAIRS (and contact for info) Franck Cappello INRIA/LRI, Paris-South University, France fci@lri.lri.fr Adriana Iamnitchi University of Chicago, USA anda@cs.uchicago.edu ________________ Adriana Iamnitchi University of Chicago http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/~anda (773) 834-4416 _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 24 22:55:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA19159 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOUI6-0006vk-3t for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:55:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAP3t60d026634 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:55:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOUI5-0006vV-JS for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:55:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA19152 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOUI2-0004YR-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:55:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOUI1-0004YO-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:55:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOUI2-0006uU-IM; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AOKYT-0002lv-NP for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:31:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA17655 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:31:05 -0500 (EST) From: shudo@ni.aist.go.jp Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOKYS-0000xR-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:31:20 -0500 Received: from mx1.aist.go.jp ([150.29.246.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AOKYR-0000xJ-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:31:19 -0500 Received: from rpsmtp1.aist.go.jp by mx1.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id hAOHVGLY019292 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:31:16 +0900 (JST) env-from (shudo@ni.aist.go.jp) Received: from smtp4.aist.go.jp by rpsmtp1.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id hAOHVFC2014638 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:31:15 +0900 (JST) env-from (shudo@ni.aist.go.jp) Received: from aist.go.jp by smtp4.aist.go.jp with ESMTP id hAOHVEq9023654 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:31:15 +0900 (JST) env-from (shudo@ni.aist.go.jp) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:31:42 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20031125.023142.26923373.shudo@localhost> To: p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Intel Working Group In-Reply-To: <3FBC0E6D.6020809@neurogrid.com> References: <3FBC0E6D.6020809@neurogrid.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on XEmacs 21.4.12 (Portable Code) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sam Joseph > Seeing all of Bill's messages reminded me of a question I had been > meaning to ask. What happened to the Intel P2P Working Group? I see > their domain name http://www.peer-to-peerwg.org/ no longer points > anywhere in particular. It would be interesting to hear what happened > there to help us avoid suffering the same fate ... The P2PWG was initiated by Intel in October 2000 and merged into the GGF (Global Grid Forum) in April 2002. One of area directors of the GGF P2P area, Andrew Chien has said the WG could not have enough momentum to drive their activities when it was merged. Kazuyuki Shudo Grid Technology Research Center National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology (AIST) _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 26 13:11:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20168 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AP486-00068z-KS for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:11:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAQIBAtA023611 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:11:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AP486-00068k-E8 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:11:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20104 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AP484-0002EQ-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:11:08 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AP484-0002EM-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:11:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AP47z-00067Z-Bg; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:11:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AP47l-00066F-Ep for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:10:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20097 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AP47j-0002E5-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:10:47 -0500 Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AP47i-0002Du-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:10:46 -0500 Received: from esunmail ([129.147.156.34]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAQIAglc019241 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:10:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from xpa-fe1 (esunmail [129.147.156.34]) by edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOZ00H4715USE@edgemail1.Central.Sun.COM> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:10:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from eng.sun.com ([63.205.186.159]) by mail.sun.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTPSA id <0HOZ008ZT0VLUN@mail.sun.net> for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:04:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:04:32 -0800 From: Bill Yeager Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Re: Proposed research tracks In-reply-to: <3FC24FEF.8040903@lbl.gov> To: Karlo Berket Cc: p2prg@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Hi, > > I am interested in the overlay, discovery and security tracks. Please > let me know how I can be of help. For sure. Thanks a lot. We should be announcing the final structure next week. Bill _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Nov 27 23:55:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA01700 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APaeq-0001TO-RY for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:55:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hAS4t8IE005661 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:55:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APaeq-0001TE-H5 for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:55:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA01692 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APaeo-0002qF-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:55:06 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APaen-0002qB-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:55:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APaej-0001S5-FA; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:55:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APYlf-00063H-0P for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:54:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA29184 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APYlb-0001U6-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:53:59 -0500 Received: from smtp1.att.ne.jp ([165.76.15.137]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APYla-0001Tx-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:53:58 -0500 Received: from neurogrid.com (h219-110-056-001.catv01.itscom.jp [219.110.56.1]) by smtp1.att.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7604015ACD; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:53:46 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3FC6B8B6.2060905@neurogrid.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:53:42 +0900 From: Sam Joseph Reply-To: sam@neurogrid.com Organization: NeuroGrid http://www.neurogrid.net/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ja-JP; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [P2Prg] Peer-to-Peer Journal (P2PJ) CFP Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------------------------------------------------------------------ CALL FOR PAPERS Peer-to-Peer Journal (http://p2pjournal.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------- The Peer-to-Peer Journal (P2PJ) is a bi-monthly journal that serves as a forum to individuals and companies interested in applying, developing, educating, & advertising in the fields of Peer-to-Peer (P2P) and parallel computing. The P2P Journal is currently accepting submissions of articles, whitepapers, product reviews, discussions, and letters or short communications. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: Novel Peer-to-Peer applications and systems P2P simulation and network/traffic mapping/topology tools Instant Messaging (IM) Collaborative Computing FileSharing tools and protocols Content Distribution Networks (CDN) Parallel Computing Grid Networks Cluster Architectures For writer's guideline, see http://p2pjournal.com/main/p2p_writers_guideline.pdf Important Dates Submission Deadline for January Issue: 11th December 2003 Submission Deadline for March Issue: 11th February 2004 Please send submissions to editor@p2pjournal.com Best regards, Raymond F. Gao, Editor-in-Chief Daniel Brookshier, Editor Sam Joseph, Editor _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 28 08:44:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA27076 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APiuk-00071J-4e for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:44:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hASDi6dS026981 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:44:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APiuj-000716-UF for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:44:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA27066 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APiui-0002Ad-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:44:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APiui-0002Aa-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:44:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APiuf-000707-7T; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:44:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APito-0006zW-GO for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:43:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA27050 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:42:55 -0500 (EST) From: ben.strulo@bt.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APitn-0002A0-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:43:07 -0500 Received: from smtp3.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.138] helo=i2kc03-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APitm-00029t-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:43:06 -0500 Received: from i2km98-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.85]) by i2kc03-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:42:36 +0000 Received: from i2km41-ukdy.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.30.29]) by i2km98-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:42:35 +0000 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:42:35 -0000 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: P2prg digest, Vol 1 #70 - 4 msgs Thread-Index: AcOodcMwhCQGOH8cSEqnfH6DYxHiEgMlM3zg To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2003 13:42:35.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B4B8240:01C3B5B5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [P2Prg] Security Research Track Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm technical leader of a collaborative research project in the P2P = area. =20 Description and more info at www.mmapps.org We've been working on an area of P2P that doesn't seem to fit too neatly = within the proposed research tracks. The nearest seems to be the = security one. I'd be interested in peoples' opinions on whether and how = we fit in. I don't want to derail the track you've already described, = but we probably should be in there somehow. I'm certainly willing to = contribute. Our focus is on fixing problems where the peers are not malicious but = are selfish. Sometimes our solutions help with problems of malice too = (by making malicious behaviour expensive) but that's not our real focus. = So we're looking at things like reputation, micro-payment and groups = policing themselves. Any comments? =20 Ben Strulo=20 BT Research, UK > o Security issues >=20 > Security in a P2P system is extremely difficult because of the=20 > possible > pure ad-hoc nature and behavior that can exhibit=20 > itself. One may and > and often will not be able to depend on a centralized=20 > certificate=20 > authority > based PKI to bootstrap secure networks. The=20 > requirements are the same: > Privacy, Authentication, Integrity, and=20 > non-repudiation. The possible=20 > solutions > are quite interesting and often point towards PGP-like=20 > Webs-of-Trust > and reputation models. > . > On the other hand, in an enterprise, a very=20 > centralized, CA PKI will be > necessary for P2P to fly there. On top of this we have=20 > the usual DoS > attacks, the requirement to support anonymous, and autonomous > peer nodes, etc. >=20 > It is appropriate to begin here with a survey of the=20 > current P2P=20 > research > on security to establish a foundation for discussion,=20 > and synergy with > the IETF security efforts. >=20 > This is a difficult and truly interesting area for research. >=20 > Subgroup leader: To be determined. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 28 08:53:20 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA27525 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APj3O-0007Em-Ri for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:53:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hASDr2TC027814 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:53:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APj3O-0007EX-My for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:53:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA27510 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APj3N-0002OD-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:53:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APj3N-0002OA-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:53:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APj3N-0007CY-5F; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:53:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1APj2h-0007Bs-56 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:52:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA27470 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APj2f-0002NI-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:52:17 -0500 Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu ([128.8.129.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1APj2f-0002Lw-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:52:17 -0500 Received: (from bobby@localhost) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.12.10/8.12.5) id hASDpjlD025674; Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:51:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: Samrat Bhattacharjee Message-Id: <200311281351.hASDpjlD025674@ringding.cs.umd.edu> To: ben.strulo@bt.com, p2prg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [P2Prg] Security Research Track Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , |Our focus is on fixing problems where the peers are not malicious but are selfish. Sometimes our solutions help wi Certainly of paramount interest to us! I was also wondering if this should be covered under security, and assuming that it would. 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