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Gao, Editor-in-Chief Daniel Brookshier, Editor Sam Joseph, Editor _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Feb 10 21:38:51 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA13525 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AqkGc-0001iR-8K for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:38:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1B2cMDK006591 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:38:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AqkGb-0001iB-UC for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:38:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA13515 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AqkGZ-00027S-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:38:19 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AqkFd-00022R-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:37:22 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AqkFN-0001x2-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:37:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AqkFJ-0001Li-LW; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:37:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AqkEd-0001J2-G3 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA13453 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AqkEa-0001vp-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:16 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AqkDe-0001qs-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:35:19 -0500 Received: from mordor.cerego.co.jp ([210.158.200.254]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AqkD8-0001gT-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:34:47 -0500 Received: from CEREGO_EXCHANGE.cerego.co.jp (optional02.cerego.co.jp [192.168.2.1]) by mordor.cerego.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABB473C1 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:29:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from neurogrid.com (frodo.cerego.co.jp [192.168.2.3]) by CEREGO_EXCHANGE.cerego.co.jp with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id ZHMQ4W6R; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:34:07 +0900 Message-ID: <40299490.2010602@neurogrid.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:33:52 +0900 From: Sam Joseph Reply-To: sam@neurogrid.com Organization: NeuroGrid http://www.neurogrid.net/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ja-JP; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'p2prg@ietf.org'" Subject: Re: [P2Prg] who is going to be at the ietf59 ? References: <5BE5F1117AEDD5118BFC0000D11EA39CC8C256@blns205e.bln.icn.siemens.de> <6E7E98C4-4C36-11D8-AC36-000A95766260@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <6E7E98C4-4C36-11D8-AC36-000A95766260@fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner-Information: Verified by MailScanner (Mordor) X-MailScanner: STATUS-CLEAN X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.1, required 5, AWL 0.00, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.50, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.48, REFERENCES -0.50, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES -0.50, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00, X_ACCEPT_LANG -0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, So is there going to be any p2p-rg meeting in Seoul? Anybody who is going to be in Seoul let me know and we'll see if we can't arrange something if it isn't already. Thanks in advance. CHEERS> SAM Bill Yeager wrote: > OK by me. I will not be there though ... we do need to begin to prime > the RG pump. > > Bill > > On Jan 21, 2004, at 2:20 AM, Andersen Frank-Uwe wrote: > >> hello all, >> how are chances for a p2p related side-meeting in seoul? >> regards, >> frank-uwe > > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > > _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 11 06:50:02 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27966 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aqss4-0003g0-Ez for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:49:36 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1BBnatf014131 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:49:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aqss4-0003fq-7k for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:49:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27934 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:49:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aqss0-00024W-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:49:32 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Aqsr5-0001z5-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:48:36 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AqsqY-0001u9-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:48:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AqsqX-0003ZU-02; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:48:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AqsqA-0003ZA-Nq for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:47:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27849 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aqsq6-0001tS-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:47:34 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AqspE-0001o4-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:46:40 -0500 Received: from goliath.siemens.de ([192.35.17.28]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AqsoI-0001iM-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:45:42 -0500 Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1BBjfM20305 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:45:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from moody.mchh.siemens.de (moody.mchh.siemens.de [139.21.205.85]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.11.7/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i1BBjek21468 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:45:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from mchh275e.mchh.siemens.de (mchh275e.mchh.siemens.de [139.21.200.61]) by moody.mchh.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28432 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:44:47 +0100 (MET) Received: by mchh275e.mchh.siemens.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1M0SAF4S>; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:45:38 +0100 Message-ID: <5BE5F1117AEDD5118BFC0000D11EA39CC8C322@blns205e.bln.icn.siemens.de> From: Andersen Frank-Uwe To: "'p2prg@ietf.org'" Subject: AW: [P2Prg] who is going to be at the ietf59 ? Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:45:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope to make it so San Diego (not Seoul). - frank-uwe > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: p2prg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:p2prg-admin@ietf.org] Im=20 > Auftrag von Sam Joseph > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2004 03:34 > An: 'p2prg@ietf.org' > Betreff: Re: [P2Prg] who is going to be at the ietf59 ? >=20 >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > So is there going to be any p2p-rg meeting in Seoul?=20 > Anybody who is going to be in Seoul let me know and we'll see if we=20 > can't arrange something if it isn't already. >=20 > Thanks in advance. >=20 > CHEERS> SAM >=20 > Bill Yeager wrote: >=20 > > OK by me. I will not be there though ... we do need to=20 > begin to prime=20 > > the RG pump. > > > > Bill > > > > On Jan 21, 2004, at 2:20 AM, Andersen Frank-Uwe wrote: > > > >> hello all, > >> how are chances for a p2p related side-meeting in seoul? > >> regards, > >> frank-uwe > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > P2prg mailing list > > P2prg@irtf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg >=20 _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 11 16:03:38 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23548 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ar1Vj-0005h1-F0 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:03:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1BL37ib021882 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:03:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ar1Vj-0005gr-9o for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:03:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23487 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ar1Vh-000564-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:03:05 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ar1Uh-0004yI-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:02:03 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ar1U1-0004rU-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:01:21 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ar1Tj-0005LF-VX; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:01:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ar1Sq-0005GS-A8 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:00:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23335 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ar1So-0004io-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:00:06 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ar1S0-0004bc-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:59:16 -0500 Received: from mordor.cerego.co.jp ([210.158.200.254]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ar1RI-0004RH-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:58:32 -0500 Received: from CEREGO_EXCHANGE.cerego.co.jp (optional02.cerego.co.jp [192.168.2.1]) by mordor.cerego.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80B1739F; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:53:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from neurogrid.com (frodo.cerego.co.jp [192.168.2.3]) by CEREGO_EXCHANGE.cerego.co.jp with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 1XZ561JR; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:57:54 +0900 Message-ID: <402A9744.3090005@neurogrid.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 05:57:40 +0900 From: Sam Joseph Reply-To: sam@neurogrid.com Organization: NeuroGrid http://www.neurogrid.net/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ja-JP; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: decentralization@yahoogroups.com, p2p-irtf , "Peer-to-peer development." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner-Information: Verified by MailScanner (Mordor) X-MailScanner: STATUS-CLEAN X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.8, required 5, AWL 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00, X_ACCEPT_LANG -0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [P2Prg] P2P workshops in Hawaii Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Pardon the cross-posting, but I just found some new P2P workshops in Hawaii with abstract deadlines coming up soon. http://www.neurogrid.net/twiki/bin/view/Main/PeerToPeerConferences CHEERS> SAM _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 12 17:03:04 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA18812 for ; 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Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:57:45 -0500 Received: from CEREGO_EXCHANGE.cerego.co.jp (optional02.cerego.co.jp [192.168.2.1]) by mordor.cerego.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEC373C1; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:52:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from neurogrid.com (frodo.cerego.co.jp [192.168.2.3]) by CEREGO_EXCHANGE.cerego.co.jp with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 1XZ561ZM; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:57:16 +0900 Message-ID: <402BF6B0.6090103@neurogrid.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:57:04 +0900 From: Sam Joseph Reply-To: sam@neurogrid.com Organization: NeuroGrid http://www.neurogrid.net/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ja-JP; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2p-irtf , p2prg-metadata@cs.umd.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner-Information: Verified by MailScanner (Mordor) X-MailScanner: STATUS-CLEAN X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.8, required 5, AWL 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00, X_ACCEPT_LANG -0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [P2Prg] BitTorrent Paper Summary Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, So I'm posting this to p2prg as well as p2p-metadata as well, since I haven't seen much discussion on either. To get us going with some meta-data and trust topics, I'm posting my summary notes on the BitTorrent paper: http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/research/conferences/p2pecon/papers/s4-cohen.pdf I would be very interested to hear any comments or feedback. I think BitTorrent is very interesting because it uses special meta-data encoding and tit-for-tat choking in order to make sure of fair downloads. CHEERS> SAM Incentives Build Robustness in BitTorrent 1. Problems addressed Downloading files from multiple sources. Difficult due to: a) complexity of assignment b) churn c) fairness 2. Interface Absolute simplicity of interface perhaps key to take up of BitTorrent 3. MetaData Torrent files specify information about a file length, name, hashing information, and url of a tracker - all bencoded to reduce size 4. Trackers and peers Peers get random lists of other peers that are sharing parts of a file from trackers. Updated each 3-5 minutes, and at least 1800 trackers currently in existence. Tracker is simple, runs over http and has minimal comms. Files are broken into chunks with hashes to ensure correctness. All peers continuously download chunks from all peers they can. 5. Various Heuristics used to improve performance a) random connections b) pipelining - always have more requests for file pieces lined up c) try to download the rarest piece of a file first d) when downloading starts go for random first peice e) special endgame mode to cancel slow downloads f) tit for tat choking + optimistic unchoking g) Snubbing _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Feb 13 00:38:12 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA09649 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArW1K-0007zA-2X for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:37:46 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1D5bkm3030690 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:37:46 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArW1J-0007yn-Lo for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:37:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA09641 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArW1D-0000O4-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:37:39 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1ArW0L-0000JD-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:36:46 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArVzb-0000EZ-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:35:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArVzd-0007by-K5; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:36:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArVzP-0007ZR-IC for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:35:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA09632 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArVzJ-0000D6-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:35:41 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1ArVyS-00007l-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:34:49 -0500 Received: from addr-mx02.addr.com ([209.249.147.146]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArVxk-0007gm-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:34:04 -0500 Received: from proxy1.addr.com (proxy1.addr.com [209.249.147.28]) by addr-mx02.addr.com (8.12.8/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i1D5XTiY062675; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from C1812808A (c-24-4-96-9.client.comcast.net [24.4.96.9]) by proxy1.addr.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with SMTP id i1D5XRa9006036; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:33:29 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Serguei Osokine" To: , "p2p-irtf" , Subject: RE: [P2Prg] BitTorrent Paper Summary Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:40:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <402BF6B0.6090103@neurogrid.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thursday, February 12, 2004 Sam Joseph wrote: > 3. MetaData > > Torrent files specify information about a file > length, name, hashing information, and url of a > tracker - all bencoded to reduce size Sam, why do you call it metadata? I always assumed that metadata would be various stuff like performer, album, bitrate, quality, etc. Okay, so Bram Cohen himself calls .torrent files 'metainfo' - but is it a good term for the contents of that file? What .torrent has (and btw, I think that it hashes not only the file itself, but also every separate piece of the file) - anyway, it seems to be a fairly straightforward integrity checking mechanism, not unlike, say, TigerTree hash or Kazaa hash. Do you really insist on calling it metadata? Am I missing something? Best wishes - S.Osokine. 12 Feb 2004. -----Original Message----- From: p2prg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:p2prg-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Sam Joseph Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:57 PM To: p2p-irtf; p2prg-metadata@cs.umd.edu Subject: [P2Prg] BitTorrent Paper Summary Hi All, So I'm posting this to p2prg as well as p2p-metadata as well, since I haven't seen much discussion on either. To get us going with some meta-data and trust topics, I'm posting my summary notes on the BitTorrent paper: http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/research/conferences/p2pecon/papers/s4-cohen.pd f I would be very interested to hear any comments or feedback. I think BitTorrent is very interesting because it uses special meta-data encoding and tit-for-tat choking in order to make sure of fair downloads. CHEERS> SAM Incentives Build Robustness in BitTorrent 1. Problems addressed Downloading files from multiple sources. Difficult due to: a) complexity of assignment b) churn c) fairness 2. Interface Absolute simplicity of interface perhaps key to take up of BitTorrent 3. MetaData Torrent files specify information about a file length, name, hashing information, and url of a tracker - all bencoded to reduce size 4. Trackers and peers Peers get random lists of other peers that are sharing parts of a file from trackers. Updated each 3-5 minutes, and at least 1800 trackers currently in existence. Tracker is simple, runs over http and has minimal comms. Files are broken into chunks with hashes to ensure correctness. All peers continuously download chunks from all peers they can. 5. Various Heuristics used to improve performance a) random connections b) pipelining - always have more requests for file pieces lined up c) try to download the rarest piece of a file first d) when downloading starts go for random first peice e) special endgame mode to cancel slow downloads f) tit for tat choking + optimistic unchoking g) Snubbing _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Feb 13 01:45:19 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA11303 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArX4H-00060E-Co for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:44:53 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1D6irAh023068 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:44:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArX4H-0005zz-7v for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:44:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA11220 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArX4A-0005oc-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:44:46 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1ArX3E-0005gw-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:43:49 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArX2O-0005bb-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:42:56 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArX2S-0005p1-Vv; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:43:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ArX2I-0005o2-QY for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:42:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA11168 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArX2B-0005aC-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:42:43 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1ArX1I-0005VU-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:41:48 -0500 Received: from mordor.cerego.co.jp ([210.158.200.254]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ArX0V-0005Ks-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:41:00 -0500 Received: from CEREGO_EXCHANGE.cerego.co.jp (optional02.cerego.co.jp [192.168.2.1]) by mordor.cerego.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FB773C3; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:35:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from neurogrid.com (frodo.cerego.co.jp [192.168.2.3]) by CEREGO_EXCHANGE.cerego.co.jp with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 1XZ5610F; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:40:29 +0900 Message-ID: <402C7152.1010407@neurogrid.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:40:18 +0900 From: Sam Joseph Reply-To: sam@neurogrid.com Organization: NeuroGrid http://www.neurogrid.net/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ja-JP; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: osokin@osokin.com Cc: p2p-irtf , p2prg-metadata@cs.umd.edu Subject: Re: [P2Prg] BitTorrent Paper Summary References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner-Information: Verified by MailScanner (Mordor) X-MailScanner: STATUS-CLEAN X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.8, required 5, AWL 0.00, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.50, REFERENCES -0.50, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES -0.50, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00, X_ACCEPT_LANG -0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Serguei, Serguei Osokine wrote: >On Thursday, February 12, 2004 Sam Joseph wrote: > > >>3. MetaData >> >>Torrent files specify information about a file >>length, name, hashing information, and url of a >>tracker - all bencoded to reduce size >> >> > > Sam, why do you call it metadata? > I guess because it is data about data --> meta-data > I always assumed that >metadata would be various stuff like performer, album, bitrate, >quality, etc. > I think that is also meta-data. >Okay, so Bram Cohen himself calls .torrent files >'metainfo' - but is it a good term for the contents of that >file? What .torrent has (and btw, I think that it hashes not >only the file itself, but also every separate piece of the >file) > I think you're right - I was just summarising from Bram's p2pecon paper. > - anyway, it seems to be a fairly straightforward >integrity checking mechanism, not unlike, say, TigerTree >hash or Kazaa hash. > I agree. > Do you really insist on calling it metadata? Am I missing >something? > I don't insist on calling it meta-data. I guess I was just tying it in with the ideas in my decentralized meta-data strategies paper: http://www.neurogrid.net/php/publications.php in which I say the following: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Taking an inclusive view of meta-data it seems that we can consider a number of possible types: (1) Document Hash - An id generated from the document contents via some hashing algorithm that ideally will be unique to each document (2) Document Id - An id assigned arbitrarily to a document according to some scheme - different from a hash in that it must be generated by some authority (3) Statistical representation - A representation generated by performing a statistical operation on a document, that may involve statistics relating to a larger document collection, e.g. TFIDF (see section 2.1.1) (4) Human assigned - Keywords or more complex statements such as RDF (see section 2.1.4) The important differences between the types of meta-data are whether the representation is unique among documents, whether it can be automatically generated, and the logical complexity of the associations. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Basically I was just following that thinking. Perhaps I am muddying the water? But I guess I would want to make a distinction between metadata that is semantic annotations, and "structural"? "factual" metadata, that can be generated by some process of inspection. However, even if you wanted to avoid calling data that is derived by inspection "meta-data", we still have things like the tracker url. I would have said that that is metadata. How to organise and co-ordinate that data about files is arguably a meta-data issue - but then I would be just as happy to use another word - well, I guess I have written a lot about meta-data, so to use a different word now might be confusing ... still I see it all as part of coordination of data about data in p2p systems .... CHEERS> SAM _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Feb 14 18:54:30 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA06260 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1As9bo-0001kB-0p for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:54:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1ENs3CK006699 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:54:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1As9bn-0001jy-SJ for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:54:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA06245 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1As9bk-0004NE-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:54:00 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1As9an-0004KD-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:53:02 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1As9Zu-0004Hm-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:52:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1As9Zp-0001TA-Gp; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:52:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1As9Yx-0001O7-8w for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:51:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA06216 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1As9Yu-0004EE-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:51:04 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1As9Xw-0004BH-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:50:05 -0500 Received: from addr-mx01.addr.com ([209.249.147.145]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1As9Xf-00048N-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:49:47 -0500 Received: from proxy1.addr.com (proxy1.addr.com [209.249.147.28]) by addr-mx01.addr.com (8.12.8/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i1ENigcP005499; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from C1812808A (c-24-4-96-9.client.comcast.net [24.4.96.9]) by proxy1.addr.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with SMTP id i1ENTUa9060676; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:29:31 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Serguei Osokine" To: Cc: "p2p-irtf" , Subject: RE: [P2Prg] BitTorrent Paper Summary Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:36:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <402C7152.1010407@neurogrid.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thursday, February 12, 2004 Sam Joseph wrote: > I guess I was just tying it in with the ideas in my > decentralized meta-data strategies paper: > > http://www.neurogrid.net/php/publications.php > > in which I say the following: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Taking an inclusive view of meta-data it seems that we can > consider a number of possible types:... Fair enough. I was thinking mainly about the > (4) Human assigned... - since... well... that's the hard part, I guess. As opposed to computing hash, which is easy, fast, and straightforward, so I tend not to think about it a lot. But in yur classification it really is metadata - in fact, everything that is not in a file itself seems to be metadata. Okay, that makes sense. Best wishes - S.Osokine. 14 Feb 2004. -----Original Message----- From: p2prg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:p2prg-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Sam Joseph Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:40 PM To: osokin@osokin.com Cc: p2p-irtf; p2prg-metadata@cs.umd.edu Subject: Re: [P2Prg] BitTorrent Paper Summary Hi Serguei, Serguei Osokine wrote: >On Thursday, February 12, 2004 Sam Joseph wrote: > > >>3. MetaData >> >>Torrent files specify information about a file >>length, name, hashing information, and url of a >>tracker - all bencoded to reduce size >> >> > > Sam, why do you call it metadata? > I guess because it is data about data --> meta-data > I always assumed that >metadata would be various stuff like performer, album, bitrate, >quality, etc. > I think that is also meta-data. >Okay, so Bram Cohen himself calls .torrent files >'metainfo' - but is it a good term for the contents of that >file? What .torrent has (and btw, I think that it hashes not >only the file itself, but also every separate piece of the >file) > I think you're right - I was just summarising from Bram's p2pecon paper. > - anyway, it seems to be a fairly straightforward >integrity checking mechanism, not unlike, say, TigerTree >hash or Kazaa hash. > I agree. > Do you really insist on calling it metadata? Am I missing >something? > I don't insist on calling it meta-data. I guess I was just tying it in with the ideas in my decentralized meta-data strategies paper: http://www.neurogrid.net/php/publications.php in which I say the following: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Taking an inclusive view of meta-data it seems that we can consider a number of possible types: (1) Document Hash - An id generated from the document contents via some hashing algorithm that ideally will be unique to each document (2) Document Id - An id assigned arbitrarily to a document according to some scheme - different from a hash in that it must be generated by some authority (3) Statistical representation - A representation generated by performing a statistical operation on a document, that may involve statistics relating to a larger document collection, e.g. TFIDF (see section 2.1.1) (4) Human assigned - Keywords or more complex statements such as RDF (see section 2.1.4) The important differences between the types of meta-data are whether the representation is unique among documents, whether it can be automatically generated, and the logical complexity of the associations. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Basically I was just following that thinking. Perhaps I am muddying the water? But I guess I would want to make a distinction between metadata that is semantic annotations, and "structural"? "factual" metadata, that can be generated by some process of inspection. However, even if you wanted to avoid calling data that is derived by inspection "meta-data", we still have things like the tracker url. I would have said that that is metadata. How to organise and co-ordinate that data about files is arguably a meta-data issue - but then I would be just as happy to use another word - well, I guess I have written a lot about meta-data, so to use a different word now might be confusing ... still I see it all as part of coordination of data about data in p2p systems .... CHEERS> SAM _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Feb 16 12:01:25 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05194 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Asm77-0005vO-7J for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:00:57 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1GH0uL5022767 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:00:56 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Asm73-0005v8-Ac for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:00:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05179 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Asm72-0000jL-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:00:52 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Asm5x-0000bH-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:59:46 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Asm5M-0000VO-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:59:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Asm5H-0005mR-KS; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:59:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Asm4p-0005kO-Er for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:58:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA04982 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Asm4o-0000SR-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:58:34 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Asm47-0000OB-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:57:52 -0500 Received: from [216.65.116.22] (helo=sm1255.hostcentric.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Asm3O-0000D0-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:57:06 -0500 Received: (qmail 12819 invoked by uid 107); 16 Feb 2004 16:47:06 -0000 Received: from c-24-118-168-87.mn.client2.attbi.com (HELO bitbucket) (justin@onionnetworks.com@24.118.168.87) by 216.65.116.22 with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:47:06 -0000 Subject: RE: [P2Prg] BitTorrent Paper Summary From: Justin Chapweske To: osokin@osokin.com Cc: sam@neurogrid.com, p2p-irtf , p2prg-metadata@cs.umd.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1076950593.11942.8503.camel@bog> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:56:34 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see no reason why it isn't valid to refer to the file size, last-modified, hash, etc., as file metadata. As far as encoding goes, we've found that HTTP header fields are a perfectly capable mechanism for transferring file metadata, and if you need something with even more structure, then just use RDF. > > Sam, why do you call it metadata? I always assumed that > metadata would be various stuff like performer, album, bitrate, > quality, etc. Okay, so Bram Cohen himself calls .torrent files > 'metainfo' - but is it a good term for the contents of that > file? What .torrent has (and btw, I think that it hashes not > only the file itself, but also every separate piece of the > file) - anyway, it seems to be a fairly straightforward > integrity checking mechanism, not unlike, say, TigerTree > hash or Kazaa hash. > > Do you really insist on calling it metadata? Am I missing > something? > > Best wishes - > S.Osokine. > 12 Feb 2004. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: p2prg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:p2prg-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Sam > Joseph > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:57 PM > To: p2p-irtf; p2prg-metadata@cs.umd.edu > Subject: [P2Prg] BitTorrent Paper Summary > > > Hi All, > > So I'm posting this to p2prg as well as p2p-metadata as well, since I > haven't seen much discussion on either. To get us going with some > meta-data and trust topics, I'm posting my summary notes on the > BitTorrent paper: > > http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/research/conferences/p2pecon/papers/s4-cohen.pd > f > > I would be very interested to hear any comments or feedback. I think > BitTorrent is very interesting because it uses special meta-data > encoding and tit-for-tat choking in order to make sure of fair downloads. > > CHEERS> SAM > > > Incentives Build Robustness in BitTorrent > > 1. Problems addressed > > Downloading files from multiple sources. > Difficult due to: > a) complexity of assignment > b) churn > c) fairness > > 2. Interface > > Absolute simplicity of interface perhaps key to take up of BitTorrent > > 3. MetaData > > Torrent files specify information about a file length, name, hashing > information, and url of a tracker - all bencoded to reduce size > > 4. Trackers and peers > > Peers get random lists of other peers that are sharing parts of a file > from trackers. Updated each 3-5 minutes, and at least 1800 trackers > currently in existence. Tracker is simple, runs over http and has > minimal comms. Files are broken into chunks with hashes to ensure > correctness. All peers continuously download chunks from all peers they > can. > > 5. Various Heuristics used to improve performance > > a) random connections > b) pipelining - always have more requests for file pieces lined up > c) try to download the rarest piece of a file first > d) when downloading starts go for random first peice > e) special endgame mode to cancel slow downloads > f) tit for tat choking + optimistic unchoking > g) Snubbing > > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > > > _______________________________________________ > P2prg mailing list > P2prg@irtf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Feb 16 14:44:23 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA14523 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Asoem-0002mY-IF for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:43:56 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1GJhq1b010688 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:43:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Asoel-0002mJ-WB for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:43:52 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA14501 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Asoej-0005wR-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:43:49 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Asodw-0005qC-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:43:01 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Asod7-0005jH-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:42:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Asocz-0002Ut-Gj; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:42:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Asoce-0002T4-5h for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:41:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA14316 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Asocb-0005eR-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:41:37 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Asobc-0005Z6-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:40:37 -0500 Received: from mordred.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.192.128] helo=cs.ucla.edu) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Asoai-0005RF-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:39:40 -0500 Received: from cs.ucla.edu (7m4kc43e6n3yjazx@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs.ucla.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1GJcvYh059135; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:38:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scottm@cs.ucla.edu) Message-ID: <40311C51.4050803@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:38:57 -0800 From: Scott Michel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040206 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: osokin@osokin.com CC: sam@neurogrid.com, p2p-irtf , p2prg-metadata@cs.umd.edu Subject: Re: [P2Prg] BitTorrent Paper Summary References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Serguei Osokine wrote: >On Thursday, February 12, 2004 Sam Joseph wrote: > > >>3. MetaData >> >>Torrent files specify information about a file >>length, name, hashing information, and url of a >>tracker - all bencoded to reduce size >> >> > > Sam, why do you call it metadata? I always assumed that >metadata would be various stuff like performer, album, bitrate, >quality, etc. Okay, so Bram Cohen himself calls .torrent files >'metainfo' - but is it a good term for the contents of that >file? What .torrent has (and btw, I think that it hashes not >only the file itself, but also every separate piece of the >file) - anyway, it seems to be a fairly straightforward >integrity checking mechanism, not unlike, say, TigerTree >hash or Kazaa hash. > > Filesystem attributes are and will continue to be called metadata. The difference here is that the metadata is stored in two different places, hence the name change to disambiguate which metadata is which. Even worse is when the file content metadata to which you're referring is stored in the file itself as opposed to a FS structure. > Do you really insist on calling it metadata? Am I missing >something? > > Yes, I'm relatively sure that information about a file, irrespective of where it is stored (in the FS or inside the file) will always be called metadata. -scooter _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Feb 19 01:08:25 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA15744 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AthLo-0000PC-F6 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:07:56 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1J67uEs001552 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:07:56 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AthLo-0000Ox-4A for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:07:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA15735 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AthLl-000586-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:07:53 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AthKn-00056H-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:06:55 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AthK1-00054a-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:06:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AthJy-0008Uc-8S; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:06:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AthJu-0008UP-1k for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:05:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA15708 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AthJr-00053X-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:05:55 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AthIx-00051p-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:05:00 -0500 Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AthIS-0004zP-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:04:28 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: lHcqwWRl9+Dm0jYFWqSyJA 1077170412 Received: from [10.0.1.3] (adsl-63-202-175-169.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.175.169]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762CC583DB7 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:00:11 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: "'p2prg@ietf.org'" From: Bill Yeager Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:00:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [P2Prg] HICSS-38 CFP Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Our apologies if you receive multiple postings of this message] CALL FOR PAPERS: Peer-to-Peer Infrastructures and Applications in the Software Technology Track at the Thirty-eighth Annual HAWAI'I INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON SYSTEM SCIENCES on the Big Island of Hawaii January 3 - 6, 2005 Additional detail on the web sites: http://cui.unige.ch/OSG/hicss38/ http://www.hicss.hawaii.edu/ The purpose of this one-day mini-track is to provide a forum for=20 researchers and practitioners to discuss software technology issues related to peer-to-peer (P2P) computing and its evolving paradigm. P2P is an=20 emerging, 21st century technology whose applications from the onset have=20 exhibited both its power and diversity. While examples of applications abound, because=20= of the youthfulness of P2P these applications more often than not run on non-interoperable infrastructures. As a consequence others have seen a=20= need for infrastructure and protocol standards. The Project JXTA open source=20 community, and the research branch of the IETF, the Internet Research Task Force=20 (IRTF) Research Group on P2P are two salient examples. Finally, the research=20 community has taken it upon itself to put in place a solid theoretical foundation=20= of P2P computing by addressing issues like routing, trust, security, content distribution, P2P platform performance, lookup, search, computational=20 grids based on P2P platforms, etc. The above efforts are yielding a common paradigm for Peer-to-Peer=20 computing. It is a model for programming distributed systems that is characterized=20= by an increasing decentralization, autonomy and, if desired, anonymity of=20= its Peer components, where they can play the roles of both clients and=20 servers, thus requiring new approaches and patterns for distributed computing. It necessitates a natural evolution or mapping of the Internet protocols=20 that then must also be characterized by the p2p requirements of participating nodes. While industry as a whole is hard at work trying to impose=20 tomorrow=92s =93legacy architectures=94 by the means of so called Web Services,=20 Peer-to-Peer computing goes one step further and postulates that although there will always be a need for centralization in the client-server sense, the=20 general model that should prevail is again one where roles are not clear cut but dynamic. Peers are thus actors that appear and disappear dynamically,=20 hence pushing back and forth the edges of the network, potentially endorsing=20= all possible roles at any point in time. In this context, hard-wired=20 centralized services are only one among many interaction patterns that can be=20 achieved in Peer-to-Peer architectures that more closely capture the features of a=20= real world, distributed computing eco-system. Similarly, the Semantic Web initiative by the W3C also builds on this=20 departure from centralized architectures and places the debate at the level of=20 ontologies and semantics. We may expect web services to occur and interoperate in Peer-to-Peer architectures. In this context, the paradigm shift appears=20= to lie in the convergence of several technologies such as Peer-to-Peer=20 frameworks, Mobile Agents, Digital Rights Management / Digital Policy Management,=20 trust computing, cognitive or knowledge agents and ontologies. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner-Information: Verified by MailScanner (Mordor) X-MailScanner: STATUS-CLEAN X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.2, required 5, AWL 0.00, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS 1.15, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00, X_ACCEPT_LANG -0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [P2Prg] CFP: AP2PC 2004 Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *** our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this e-mail *** Preliminary call for papers Third International Workshop on Agents and Peer-to-Peer Computing (AP2PC 2004) http://p2p.ingce.unibo.it/ to be held at AAMAS 2004 Third International Joint Conference on Autonomous Agents and MultiAgent Systems New York City, USA July 19 or 20, 2004 ---------- Overview ---------- Peer-to-peer (P2P) computing is attracting enormous media attention, spur= red by the popularity of file sharing systems such as Napster, Gnutella, = and Morpheus. The peers are autonomous, or as some call them, first-class= citizens. P2P networks are emerging as a new distributed computing parad= igm for their potential to harness the computing power of the hosts compo= sing the network and make their under-utilized resources available to oth= ers. This possibility has generated a lot of interest in many industrial = organizations which have already launched important projects. In P2P systems, peer and web services in the role of resources become sha= red and combined to enable new capabilities greater than the sum of the p= arts. This means that services can be developed and treated as pools of m= ethods that can be composed dynamically. The decentralized nature of P2P = computing makes it also ideal for economic environments that foster knowl= edge sharing and collaboration as well as cooperative and non-cooperative= behaviors in sharing resources. Business models are being developed, whi= ch rely on incentive mechanisms to supply contributions to the system and= methods for controlling free riding. Clearly, the growth and the managem= ent of P2P networks must be regulated to ensure adequate compensation of = content and/or service providers. At the same time, there is also a need = to ensure equitable distribution of content and services. Although researchers working on distributed computing, MultiAgent Systems= , databases and networks have been using similar concepts for a long time= , it is only recently that papers motivated by the current P2P paradigm h= ave started appearing in high quality conferences and workshops. Research= in agent systems in particular appears to be most relevant because, sinc= e their inception, MultiAgent Systems have always been thought of as netw= orks of peers. The MultiAgent paradigm can thus be superimposed on the P2P architecture,= where agents embody the description of the task environments, the decisi= on-support capabilities, the collective behavior, and the interaction pro= tocols of each peer. The emphasis in this context on decentralization, us= er autonomy, ease and speed of growth that gives P2P its advantages, also= leads to significant potential problems. Most prominent among these prob= lems are coordination: the ability of an agent to make decisions on its o= wn actions in the context of activities of other agents, and scalability:= the value of the P2P systems lies in how well they scale along several d= imensions, including complexity, heterogeneity of peers, robustness, traf= fic redistribution, and so on. It is important to scale up coordination s= trategies along multiple dimensions to enhance their tractability and via= bility, and thereby to widen the application domains. These two problems = are common to many large-scale applications. Without coordination, agents= may be wasting their efforts, squander resources and fail to achieve the= ir objectives in situations requiring collective effort. This workshop will bring together researchers working on agent systems an= d P2P computing with the intention of strengthening this connection. Rese= archers from other related areas such as distributed systems, networks an= d database systems will also be welcome (and, in our opinion, have a lot = to contribute). We seek high-quality and original contributions on the general theme of "= Agents and P2P Computing". The following is a non-exhaustive list of topi= cs of special interest: * Intelligent agent techniques for P2P computing * P2P computing techniques for multi-agent systems * The Semantic Web, Semantic Coordination Mechanisms and P2P systems * Scalability, coordination, robustness and adaptability in P2P systems * Self-organization and emergent behavior in P2P networks * E-commerce and P2P computing * Participation and Contract Incentive Mechanisms in P2P Systems * Computational Models of Trust and Reputation * Community of interest building and regulation, and behavioral norms * Intellectual property rights in P2P systems * P2P architectures * Scalable Data Structures for P2P systems * Services in P2P systems (service definition languages, service discover= y, filtering and composition etc.) * Knowledge Discovery and P2P Data Mining Agents * P2P data management * Information ecosystems and P2P systems * Security issues in P2P networks * Pervasive computing based on P2P architectures (ad-hoc networks, wirele= ss communication devices and mobile systems) * Grid computing solutions based on agents and P2P paradigms * Legal issues in P2P networks ------- Panel ------- The theme of the panel will be Conducting Business via P2P. P2P computing= has had some visible successes in applications such as file sharing, but= many of these applications have had a consumer or hobbyist focus. This p= anel will discuss emerging "mission-critical" applications of P2P and the= challenges that P2P technologies must surmount in order to best support = such applications. These challenges include security, trust and reputatio= n, representing business protocols, checking compliance, bootstrapping sy= stems, and performance. The panel will involve 10 minute presentations by= four panelists followed by a discussion session involving the audience. ------------------ Important dates ------------------ Abstract: 1st April 2004 (see submission instructions below) Paper submission: 6th April 2004 Acceptance notification: 1st May 2004 Workshop: 19 or 20th July 2004 Camera ready for Post-proceedings: 31st August 2004 --------------- Registration --------------- Accomodation and workshop registration will be handled by the AAMAS 2004 = organization along with the main conference registration. --------------------------- Submission instructions --------------------------- Unpublished papers should be formatted according to the LNCS/LNAI author = instructions for proceedings and they should not be longer than 12 pages = (about 5000 words including figures, tables, references, etc.). The abstract and then the paper should be submitted electronically HERE a= ccording to the deadlines mentioned above.=20 In case of problems submit abstract and paper (pdf), according to the dea= dlines mentioned above, to submission@ingce.unibo.it=20 by specifying in both emails: paper's author(s), title, contact author an= d at most 5 keywords/topics. ------------- Publication ------------- Accepted papers will be distributed to the workshop participants as works= hop notes. Post-proceedings of the revised papers (namely accepted papers= presented at the workshop) will be published by Springer - Lecture Notes= in Computer Science series (LNCS) Here are the volumes of revised and invited papers of preceding editions:= LNCS volume no. 2530 for AP2PC'2002 LNCS volume no. 2872 for AP2PC'2003 (publication in progress)=20 ------------- Organizers ------------- Program Co-chairs Karl Aberer =C9cole Polytechnique F=E9d=E9rale de Lausanne (EPFL) CH-1015 Lausanne, Switzerland Tel. +41-21-693 4679 - Fax +41-21-693 8115 E-mail: karl.aberer@epfl.ch Sonia Bergamaschi Dept. of Science Engineering, University of Modena and Reggio-Emilia, Italy via Vignolese, 905 - 41100 Modena Italy Tel. +39 059 2056132 - Fax +39 059 2056126 E-mail: bergamaschi.sonia@unimo.it Gianluca Moro (main contact) Dept. of Electronics, Computer Science and Systems, University of Bologna, Italy Via Venezia, 52 - I-47023 Cesena (FC) Tel. +39 0547 339237 - Fax +39 0547 339208 E-mail: gmoro@deis.unibo.it ------------- Panel Chair ------------- Munindar P. Singh Dept. of Computer Science, North Carolina State University, USA Venture I, Suite 110 / Box 7535 - Raleigh, NC 27695-7535 Tel. +1 919 515.5677 - Fax +1 919 515.7896 E-mail: mpsingh@eos.ncsu.edu ---------------------- Steering Commitee ---------------------- Karl Aberer, EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland Sonia Bergamaschi, University of Modena and Reggio-Emilia, Italy Manolis Koubarakis, Technical University of Crete Paul Marrow, Intelligent Systems Laboratory, BTexact Technologies, UK Gianluca Moro, University of Bologna, Cesena, Italy Aris M. Ouksel, University of Illinois at Chicago, USA Claudio Sartori, University of Bologna, Italy Munindar P. Singh, North Carolina State University, USA ---------------------------------- Web Master of Review System ---------------------------------- Sam Joseph Laboratory for Interactive Learning Technology (LILT), University of Hawaii E-mail: srjoseph@hawaii.edu --------------- Sponsorships --------------- Khaled Nagi Computer Science Dept., Alexandria University, E-mail: khaledn@acm.org ---------------------- Program commitee ---------------------- Karl Aberer, EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland Sonia Bergamaschi, University of Modena and Reggio-Emilia, Italy Jon Bing, Universitat of Oslo, Norway M. Brian Blake, Georgetown University, USA Rajkumar Buyya, University of Melbourne, Australia Ooi Beng Chin, National University of Singapore, Singapore Paolo Ciancarini, University of Bologna, Italy Costas Courcoubetis, Athens University of Economics and Business, Greece Yogesh Deshpande, University of Western Sydney, Australia Asuman Dogac, Middle East Technical University, Turkey Boi V. Faltings, EPFL, Lausanne, Switzerland Maria Gini, University of Minnesota, USA Dina Q. Goldin, University of Connecticut, USA Chihab Hanachi, University of Toulouse, France Mark Klein, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, USA Matthias Klusch, DFKI, Saarbrucken, Germany Yannis Labrou, PowerMarket Inc., USA Tan Kian Lee, National University of Singapore, Singapore Dejan Milojicic, Hewlett Packard Labs, USA Alberto Montresor, University of Bologna, Italy Luc Moreau, University of Southampton, UK Jean-Henry Morin, University of Geneve, Switzerland John Mylopoulos, University of Toronto, Canada Andrea Omicini, University of Bologna, Italy Maria Orlowska, University of Queensland, Australia Aris. M. Ouksel, University of Illinois at Chicago, USA Mike Papazoglou, Tilburg University, Netherlands Terry R. Payne, University of Southampton, UK Paolo Petta, Austrian Research Institute for AI, Austria, Jeremy Pitt, Imperial College, UK Dimitris Plexousakis, Institute of Computer Science, FORTH, Greece Martin Purvis, University of Otago, New Zealand Omer F. Rana, Cardiff University, UK Katia Sycara, Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon University, USA Douglas S. Reeves, North Carolina State University, USA Thomas Risse, Fraunhofer IPSI, Darmstadt, Germany Pierangela Samarati, University of Milan, Italy Giovanni Sartor, CIRSFID, University of Bologna, Italy, Christophe Silbertin-Blanc, University of Toulouse, France Maarten van Steen, Vrije Universiteit, Netherlands Markus Stumptner, University of South Australia, Australia Peter Triantafillou, Technical University of Crete, Greece Anand Tripathi, University of Minnesota, USA Vijay K. Vaishnavi, Georgia State University, USA Francisco Valverde-Albacete, Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, Spain Maurizio Vincini, University of Modena and Reggio-Emilia, Italy Fang Wang, BTexact Technologies, UK Gerhard Weiss, Technische Universitaet, Germany Bin Yu, North Carolina State University, USA Franco Zambonelli, University of Modena and Reggio-Emilia, Italy _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Feb 25 04:28:51 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA05629 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AvvL5-000551-J5 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:28:23 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1P9SNCJ019526 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:28:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AvvL5-00054q-0r for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:28:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA05483 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AvvL2-0006Fr-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:28:20 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AvvJC-0005pJ-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:26:28 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AvvHJ-0005O3-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:24:29 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AvvH7-0003zs-7s; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:24:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AvuVA-000122-41 for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:34:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA03297 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AvuV7-00008M-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:34:41 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AvuUE-00003M-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:33:46 -0500 Received: from tik6.ethz.ch ([129.132.119.136]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AvuTT-0007lc-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:32:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tik6.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564436ADFE for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:32:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from kom7 (kom7 [129.132.66.4]) by tik6.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AE36ADE8 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:32:58 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:32:58 +0100 (MET) From: Nathalie Weiler X-X-Sender: weiler@kom7 Reply-To: weiler@tik.ee.ethz.ch To: p2prg@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Subject: [P2Prg] Call for Papers for P2P2004 Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Dear Recipient, The call for papers for the Fourth International Peer-to-Peer conference (P2P2004) is now available. An excerpt is attached below, and the full version with further information can be found at http://femto.org/p2p2004/ We are looking forward to your submissions and contributions for the conference, and would like to ask you to forward this call for papers to any forum or list of people that you would find appropriate. Many thanks, Nathalie Weiler + Germano Caronni CALL FOR PAPERS FOR P2P 2004 (see also http://femto.org/p2p2004) ============================ The Fourth International Peer-to-Peer conference (P2P2004) is now seeking your paper submissions. It is to take place at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, from Aug. 25 to Aug 27. 2004. The Scope --------- P2P2004 is the fourth Conference in a continuation of annual conferences concerned with the convergence of overlay network technologies that empower the leaf-nodes. These technologies include Peer-to-Peer, Grids, Clusters, and the Web Services that ride over them. These overlay networks are converging toward a common set of protocols due to their extensive implementations on the Internet and other shared environments. These new protocols render the overlay networks functionally independent of the networks that they ride on. This has opened new security issues. Not only must we be concerned with the security within the overlay network, we must be concerned with the threats they may spawn toward the networks they ride on. Consistent with our previous conferences we promote a collaboration in research between academic institutions, government organizations, and business enterprises that are concerned with the research and implementation of P2P, Grids, and Clusters. Topics ------ Any topic that relates to Peer-to-Peer, Grids, and Clusters is open for consideration. We would like to give special encouragement to research papers on security technology and policy issues for these overlay networks. Some of the suggested topics are: Security in P2P Systems Trust and Reputation Accountability Applications Overlay System Monitoring Agents Overlay Super Computers Middleware Overlay Architectures Network Management Wireless Protocols Collaboration Supernodes Grids Clusters Object Location and Retrieval Storage Systems e-Commerce We include all presented papers in the proceedings. The IEEE Proceedings hardcopy will be available at the Conference. Important Dates --------------- Paper submission deadline: 2 May 2004 Notification of acceptance: 7 June 2004 Camera ready papers due: 20 June 2004 Conference: 25-27 August 2004 For more information and submission details, please visit our website at http://femto.org/p2p2004 _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Feb 27 19:05:15 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA05304 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AwryL-00075C-L6 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:04:49 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1S04nMO027220 for p2prg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:04:49 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AwryL-00074w-Bb for p2prg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:04:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA05261 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AwryI-0004DY-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:04:46 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AwrxP-00047W-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:03:52 -0500 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Awrwe-00040w-00 for p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:03:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Awrwa-0006u8-JH; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:03:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AwrwH-0006qP-0g for p2prg@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:02:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA05164 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AwrwD-0003ya-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:02:37 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AwrvI-0003rE-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:01:40 -0500 Received: from proxy.cs.umd.edu ([128.8.128.182] helo=poole.cs.umd.edu) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AwruL-0003eE-00 for p2prg@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:00:41 -0500 Received: from poole.cs.umd.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by poole.cs.umd.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1S04TEL021578; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:04:29 -0500 Received: (from bobby@localhost) by poole.cs.umd.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1S04TxF021574; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:04:29 -0500 From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16447.56076.962934.108402@poole.cs.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:04:28 -0500 To: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.4 (patch 12) "Portable Code" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: Bobby Bhattacharjee cc: byeager@fastmail.fm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [P2Prg] Subgroup summaries Sender: p2prg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: p2prg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: p2prg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [This message is directed explicitly towards the subgroup leaders, but obviously, everyone is welcome to reply]. We have to send Vern a montly summary of activities for the P2P research group. If possible, please email Bill and me a few sentences about progress within your subgroups. These summaries are due on the first of every month, so I understand if this request is too late. Thanks, Bill and Bobby p.s. I already have an extensive report for p2p-mobility (so unless you want to, you don't need to send us another synopsis). Thanks. _______________________________________________ P2prg mailing list P2prg@irtf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg