From adamsobieski@hotmail.com Wed Dec 12 20:17:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F94021F85A4 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:17:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.619, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YLnFLhVXG+Kb for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from snt0-omc4-s13.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s13.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.216]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953CF21F8593 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from SNT002-W84 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s13.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:17:28 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [174.100.43.136] X-EIP: [w9aNj2kx4a8iTtPjWtVnyiL+3lpevCXB] X-Originating-Email: [adamsobieski@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7dc9e95a-8b91-405c-9e06-8e5309673371_" From: Adam Sobieski To: "p2prg@irtf.org" Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:17:28 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2012 04:17:28.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[C399EEF0:01CDD8E8] Subject: [p2prg] Peer-to-Peer Multimedia Answering Machine Technology X-BeenThere: p2prg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:17:30 -0000 --_7dc9e95a-8b91-405c-9e06-8e5309673371_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Internet Research Task Force=2C Peer-to-Peer Research Group=2C Greetings. WebRTC is a contemporary technology and pertains to video calls= =2C conferences=2C and potentially to video forums. WebRTC does include P2= P technologies and I would like to describe a scenario with regard to the P= 2P distributed storage of hypertext=2C audio and video messages=2C with fea= tures and functionality facilitating P2P multimedia answering machine techn= ology. =20 Scenario: Person A calls Person B. Person A might know whether Person B was online or= offline before they commenced a communication activity. If Person B is onl= ine=2C the data motion is as per WebRTC. If Person B is offline=2C they cou= ld have an answering machine multimedia clip available on a group of nodes = which they have designated=2C for example per a social network graph. Person A can watch Person B's streaming answering machine clip or skip to l= eaving a message. If Person A leaves a message=2C that streaming video mess= age is stored on a group of nodes=2C possibly the union of the two groups o= f nodes designated by both Person A and Person B. When Person B comes onlin= e=2C within a system-specific duration of time=2C e.g. 90 days or 1 year=2C= the portions of data are downloaded by them=2C segmented downloading=2C an= d possibly with something like a BITS 4.0+ technology. If Person B chooses to view any of the streamable media during that initial= phase=2C which might not be uncommon=2C a log on and check messages patter= n=2C the segmented downloading can toggle to a streaming variety of downloa= d=2C including variable bitrate streaming. Even after Person B might watch = real-time segmented downloads of variable-bitrate streaming multimedia=2C t= he entirety of their high-bitrate messages could be downloaded and stored b= y Person B unless or until Person B indicated otherwise. Video calling and video conferencing have been illustrated with WebRTC tech= nologies=2C video forums may be realized upcoming=2C and we can envision=2C= research and develop features for P2P video communication systems=2C P2P h= ypertext=2C audio and video systems=2C multimedia systems=2C including P2P = answering machine technologies as described. =20 Kind regards=2C Adam Sobieski = --_7dc9e95a-8b91-405c-9e06-8e5309673371_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Internet Research Task Force=2C<= br/> Peer-to-Peer Research Group=2C

Greetings. WebRTC is a contemporary technology and pertains to video calls= =2C conferences=2C and potentially to video forums. WebRTC does include P2= P technologies and I would like to describe a scenario with regard to the P= 2P distributed storage of hypertext=2C audio and video messages=2C with fea= tures and functionality facilitating P2P multimedia answering machine techn= ology.

=20 Scenario:

Person A calls Person B. Person A might know whether Person B was online or= offline before they commenced a communication activity. If Person B is onl= ine=2C the data motion is as per WebRTC. If Person B is offline=2C they cou= ld have an answering machine multimedia clip available on a group of nodes = which they have designated=2C for example per a social network graph.

Person A can watch Person B's streaming answering machine clip or skip to l= eaving a message. If Person A leaves a message=2C that streaming video mess= age is stored on a group of nodes=2C possibly the union of the two groups o= f nodes designated by both Person A and Person B. When Person B comes onlin= e=2C within a system-specific duration of time=2C e.g. 90 days or 1 year=2C= the portions of data are downloaded by them=2C segmented downloading=2C an= d possibly with something like a BITS 4.0+ technology.

If Person B chooses to view any of the streamable media during that initial= phase=2C which might not be uncommon=2C a log on and check messages patter= n=2C the segmented downloading can toggle to a streaming variety of downloa= d=2C including variable bitrate streaming. Even after Person B might watch = real-time segmented downloads of variable-bitrate streaming multimedia=2C t= he entirety of their high-bitrate messages could be downloaded and stored b= y Person B unless or until Person B indicated otherwise.


Video calling and video conferencing have been illustrated with WebRTC tech= nologies=2C video forums may be realized upcoming=2C and we can envision=2C= research and develop features for P2P video communication systems=2C P2P h= ypertext=2C audio and video systems=2C multimedia systems=2C including P2P = answering machine technologies as described.



=20 Kind regards=2C

Adam Sobieski
= --_7dc9e95a-8b91-405c-9e06-8e5309673371_-- From Martin.Stiemerling@neclab.eu Wed Dec 12 21:42:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61691F0CC1 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:42:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j6M+cf5McIhp for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5901F0CB9 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08301102986; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:42:14 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jOcjQ9YxXbOr; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:42:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from ENCELADUS.office.hd (enceladus.office.hd [192.168.24.52]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32FC10280A; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:42:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.7.0.105] (10.7.0.105) by skoll.office.hd (192.168.125.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:41:09 +0100 Message-ID: <50C96AAA.4080509@neclab.eu> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:42:02 +0100 From: Martin Stiemerling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Sobieski References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [10.7.0.105] Cc: "p2prg@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [p2prg] Peer-to-Peer Multimedia Answering Machine Technology X-BeenThere: p2prg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 05:42:21 -0000 Hi Adam, Did you also look for the following WGs in the IETF working p2p protocols: - p2psip for p2p voice and video calls - ppsp for real-time streaming based on p2p (AKA p2p tv) Martin On 12/13/2012 05:17 AM, Adam Sobieski wrote: > Internet Research Task Force, > Peer-to-Peer Research Group, > > Greetings. WebRTC is a contemporary technology and pertains to video > calls, conferences, and potentially to video forums. WebRTC does include > P2P technologies and I would like to describe a scenario with regard to > the P2P distributed storage of hypertext, audio and video messages, with > features and functionality facilitating P2P multimedia answering machine > technology. > > Scenario: > > Person A calls Person B. Person A might know whether Person B was online > or offline before they commenced a communication activity. If Person B > is online, the data motion is as per WebRTC. If Person B is offline, > they could have an answering machine multimedia clip available on a > group of nodes which they have designated, for example per a social > network graph. > > Person A can watch Person B's streaming answering machine clip or skip > to leaving a message. If Person A leaves a message, that streaming video > message is stored on a group of nodes, possibly the union of the two > groups of nodes designated by both Person A and Person B. When Person B > comes online, within a system-specific duration of time, e.g. 90 days or > 1 year, the portions of data are downloaded by them, segmented > downloading, and possibly with something like a BITS 4.0+ technology. > > If Person B chooses to view any of the streamable media during that > initial phase, which might not be uncommon, a log on and check messages > pattern, the segmented downloading can toggle to a streaming variety of > download, including variable bitrate streaming. Even after Person B > might watch real-time segmented downloads of variable-bitrate streaming > multimedia, the entirety of their high-bitrate messages could be > downloaded and stored by Person B unless or until Person B indicated > otherwise. > > > Video calling and video conferencing have been illustrated with WebRTC > technologies, video forums may be realized upcoming, and we can > envision, research and develop features for P2P video communication > systems, P2P hypertext, audio and video systems, multimedia systems, > including P2P answering machine technologies as described. > > > > Kind regards, > > Adam Sobieski > > > _______________________________________________ > p2prg mailing list > p2prg@irtf.org > http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg > -- martin.stiemerling@neclab.eu NEC Laboratories Europe - Network Research Division NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL Registered in England 283 From zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com Wed Dec 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Hi Adam,
    We had ever developed a peer to peer video confere= ncing=20 system supporting several participants in one meeting (the meeting nu= mber=20 is not limited).
    The hardest problem in such systems is, to the bes= t of=20 my understanding, the distributed mix of video and voice and the sync amon= g the=20 participants. In other words, how to share video and voice content to othe= rs can=20 be relatively easily solved, as Martin mentioned, IETF is also doing such=20 standards.
    Wish it helpful for your work.
 
BR
Yunfei
   
 
zhangyunfei
 
Date: 2012-12-13 13:42
CC: p2prg@irtf.org<= /DIV>
Subject: Re: [p2prg] Peer-to-Peer Multimedia Answering Ma= chine=20 Technology
Hi Adam,
 
Did you also look for the following&nbs= p;WGs in the IETF working p2p protocols:
- p2psip for p2p voice and video c= alls
- ppsp for real-time streaming based on=  p2p (AKA p2p tv)
 
   Martin
 
 
On 12/13/2012 05:17 AM, Adam Sobieski w= rote:
> Internet Research Task Force,
> Peer-to-Peer Research Group,
>
> Greetings. WebRTC is a contemporary&nbs= p;technology and pertains to video
> calls, conferences, and potentially to&= nbsp;video forums. WebRTC does include
> P2P technologies and I would like&= nbsp;to describe a scenario with regard to
> the P2P distributed storage of hyp= ertext, audio and video messages, with
> features and functionality facilitating = ;P2P multimedia answering machine
> technology.
>
> Scenario:
>
> Person A calls Person B. Person&nb= sp;A might know whether Person B was on= line
> or offline before they commenced a=  communication activity. If Person B
> is online, the data motion is = ;as per WebRTC. If Person B is offline,=
> they could have an answering machi= ne multimedia clip available on a
> group of nodes which they have&nbs= p;designated, for example per a social
> network graph.
>
> Person A can watch Person B's = ;streaming answering machine clip or skip
> to leaving a message. If Person&nb= sp;A leaves a message, that streaming video<= /DIV>
> message is stored on a group = of nodes, possibly the union of the two=
> groups of nodes designated by both=  Person A and Person B. When Person&nbs= p;B
> comes online, within a system-specific&= nbsp;duration of time, e.g. 90 days or
> 1 year, the portions of data = are downloaded by them, segmented
> downloading, and possibly with somethin= g like a BITS 4.0+ technology.
>
> If Person B chooses to view a= ny of the streamable media during that
> initial phase, which might not be&= nbsp;uncommon, a log on and check messages
> pattern, the segmented downloading can&= nbsp;toggle to a streaming variety of
> download, including variable bitrate st= reaming. Even after Person B
> might watch real-time segmented downloa= ds of variable-bitrate streaming
> multimedia, the entirety of their = high-bitrate messages could be
> downloaded and stored by Person B&= nbsp;unless or until Person B indicated
> otherwise.
>
>
> Video calling and video conferencing&nb= sp;have been illustrated with WebRTC
> technologies, video forums may be = realized upcoming, and we can
> envision, research and develop features=  for P2P video communication
> systems, P2P hypertext, audio and = video systems, multimedia systems,
> including P2P answering machine technol= ogies as described.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Adam Sobieski
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> p2prg@irtf.org
> http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/p2prg
>
 
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------=_001_NextPart624146484775_=------ From adamsobieski@hotmail.com Sun Dec 16 11:07:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDD721F887C for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:07:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.338 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.338 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.260, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I6U101JPu4nE for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:07:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from snt0-omc4-s5.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s5.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.208]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7CC21F887A for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from SNT002-W162 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s5.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:07:47 -0800 X-EIP: [VX2ZGfSjWkCG0O0CbZM0LHLgmvQj35r1] X-Originating-Email: [adamsobieski@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4f20fd17-5ebc-407f-a3b2-59d4d0c74f4b_" From: Adam Sobieski To: "p2prg@irtf.org" Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:07:47 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2012 19:07:47.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2F12990:01CDDBC0] Subject: [p2prg] NNTP 2.0 X-BeenThere: p2prg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:07:50 -0000 --_4f20fd17-5ebc-407f-a3b2-59d4d0c74f4b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Internet Research Task Force=2C Peer-to-Peer Research Group=2C Greetings. In October of 2006=2C the IETF released RFC 3977 (http://tools.= ietf.org/html/rfc3977) which updated the NNTP protocol=2C codifying many of= the additions made over the years since the 1986 RFC 977 (http://tools.iet= f.org/html/rfc977). Topically to peer-to-peer research and development=2C = it is possible that an entirely decentralized and distributed forum system = could be both researched and developed=2C abstractly referred to as NNTP 2.= 0 herein=2C achieving all of the 1986 and 2006 design goals=2C scaled to cu= rrent Internet usage=2C utilizing 2012 state-of-the-art computer science in= cluding with regard to distributed computing=2C distributed databases=2C an= d peer-to-peer technologies. Metadata models for messages=2C e.g. blog article metadata models=2C can be= applicable to updating both email and NNTP computer networking protocols. = Beyond searchable subject strings and text content=2C then=2C could be use= r-specified folksonomic keywords=2C categories=2C and other metadata. Meta= data models can enhance the searchability of blogs=2C mailing lists=2C and = forums. Additionally=2C as with blogs=2C NNTP 2.0 could utilize pinging co= nfigurably by users for each of their messages and per individual messages.= Hyperlinks can interconnect the HTTP-based Web and NNTP 2.0 forum content= . PKI and digital signatures enhance scenarios with the distributed storage o= f user-generated content. Additionally=2C just as NNTPS utilizes TLS=2C TL= S can enhance a peer-to-peer NNTP 2.0. =20 A distributed forum system would contain multiple forums=2C each forum woul= d contain multiple threads=2C and each thread would contain multiple messag= es. Forum messages=2C with enhanced metadata=2C digitally signed by users= =2C can be interrelated by typed links where a forum message could be in re= sponse to a number of other messages from various threads in various forums= on the distributed system enhancing content discovery and navigation. NNT= P 2.0 would add to the features available with NNTP. With the aforementioned blog-based pings=2C configurable by users=2C Web-ba= sed search engine technology could be interoperable with a distributed=2C d= ecentralized=2C peer-to-peer NNTP 2.0 system. NNTP 2.0 could=2C additional= ly=2C include distributed search technologies also enhanced by the aforemen= tioned metadata models. Kind regards=2C Adam Sobieski = --_4f20fd17-5ebc-407f-a3b2-59d4d0c74f4b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Internet Research Task Force=2C<= br/> Peer-to-Peer Research Group=2C

Greetings. In October of 2006=2C the IETF released RFC 3977 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977) w= hich updated the NNTP protocol=2C codifying many of the additions made over= the years since the 1986 RFC 977 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc977). Topically to peer-to-peer re= search and development=2C it is possible that an entirely decentralized and= distributed forum system could be both researched and developed=2C abstrac= tly referred to as NNTP 2.0 herein=2C achieving all of the 1986 and 2006 de= sign goals=2C scaled to current Internet usage=2C utilizing 2012 state-of-t= he-art computer science including with regard to distributed computing=2C d= istributed databases=2C and peer-to-peer technologies.

Metadata models for messages=2C e.g. blog article metadata models=2C can be= applicable to updating both email and NNTP computer networking protocols. = Beyond searchable subject strings and text content=2C then=2C could be use= r-specified folksonomic keywords=2C categories=2C and other metadata. Meta= data models can enhance the searchability of blogs=2C mailing lists=2C and = forums. Additionally=2C as with blogs=2C NNTP 2.0 could utilize pinging co= nfigurably by users for each of their messages and per individual messages.= Hyperlinks can interconnect the HTTP-based Web and NNTP 2.0 forum content= .

PKI and digital signatures enhance scenarios with the distributed storage o= f user-generated content. Additionally=2C just as NNTPS utilizes TLS=2C TL= S can enhance a peer-to-peer NNTP 2.0.

=20 A distributed forum system would contain multiple forums=2C each forum woul= d contain multiple threads=2C and each thread would contain multiple messag= es. Forum messages=2C with enhanced metadata=2C digitally signed by users= =2C can be interrelated by typed links where a forum message could be in re= sponse to a number of other messages from various threads in various forums= on the distributed system enhancing content discovery and navigation. NNT= P 2.0 would add to the features available with NNTP.

With the aforementioned blog-based pings=2C configurable by users=2C Web-ba= sed search engine technology could be interoperable with a distributed=2C d= ecentralized=2C peer-to-peer NNTP 2.0 system. NNTP 2.0 could=2C additional= ly=2C include distributed search technologies also enhanced by the aforemen= tioned metadata models.



Kind regards=2C

Adam Sobieski
= --_4f20fd17-5ebc-407f-a3b2-59d4d0c74f4b_-- From adamsobieski@hotmail.com Sun Dec 16 20:58:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FFF21F8428 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:58:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.412 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.412 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CY9TzIPU4s2W for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from snt0-omc4-s46.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s46.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.51.97]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D154421F841F for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from SNT002-W11 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s46.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:58:32 -0800 X-EIP: [MqAsUa0DoA7hOVcMC68ucuYqJ3WM1mRL] X-Originating-Email: [adamsobieski@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_470c77cc-6632-420c-951f-45f778b56671_" From: Adam Sobieski To: "p2prg@irtf.org" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:58:32 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2012 04:58:32.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[299DA8E0:01CDDC13] Subject: [p2prg] Computer Security Information Resources X-BeenThere: p2prg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:58:33 -0000 --_470c77cc-6632-420c-951f-45f778b56671_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Internet Research Task Force=2C Peer-to-peer Research Group=2C =20 Greetings. In addition to distributed=2C decentralized=2C peer-to-peer for= um technologies=2C we can envision=2C research and develop computer systems= specifically for computer software developers and computer security profes= sionals=3B distributed=2C decentralized=2C peer-to-peer computer security i= nformation resources=3B computer systems for the dissemination of instantan= eous computer security information between computer scientists. =20 Such systems can=2C in numerous ways=2C enhance the security of computers= =2C computer systems=2C and computer networks by enhancing the flow of info= rmation between and the well-informedness of each interested computer scien= tist around the world. =20 Such systems can be interoperable with the concurrent versioning systems of= open source software projects so that information about security-related s= oftware updates can be instantaneously routed to interested computer scient= ists. Computer scientists=2C computer security professionals=2C can post m= essages to such systems with message metadata expressiveness including with= regard to specific computers'=2C computer systems'=2C or computer networks= ' configurations. =20 Some papers about peer-to-peer data routing include: A Comparative Study of= Pub/Sub Methods in Structured P2P Networks by Matthias Bender=2C Sebastian= Michel=2C Sebastian Parkitny=2C Gerhard Weikum =3B Publish/Subscribe for R= DF-based P2P Networks by Paul - Alexandru Chirita=2C Stratos Idreos=2C Mano= lis Koubarakis=2C and Wolfgang Nejdl =3B Content-based Publish-Subscribe Ov= er Structured P2P Networks by Peter Triantafillou and Ioannis Aekaterinidis= . =20 The envisioned computer security information resources can be researched=2C= developed=2C and constructed for the dissemination of computer security in= formation=2C enhancing the flow of information between and the instantaneou= s well-informedness of computer software developers and computer security p= rofessionals=2C personnel around the world responsible for versioning each = software and securing each computer=2C computer system=2C and computer netw= ork. Kind regards=2C Adam Sobieski = --_470c77cc-6632-420c-951f-45f778b56671_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Internet Research Task Force=2C<= br/> Peer-to-peer Research Group=2C

=20 Greetings. In addition to distributed=2C decentralized=2C peer-to-peer for= um technologies=2C we can envision=2C research and develop computer systems= specifically for computer software developers and computer security profes= sionals=3B distributed=2C decentralized=2C peer-to-peer computer security i= nformation resources=3B computer systems for the dissemination of instantan= eous computer security information between computer scientists.

=20 Such systems can=2C in numerous ways=2C enhance the security of computers= =2C computer systems=2C and computer networks by enhancing the flow of info= rmation between and the well-informedness of each interested computer scien= tist around the world.

=20 Such systems can be interoperable with the concurrent versioning systems of= open source software projects so that information about security-related s= oftware updates can be instantaneously routed to interested computer scient= ists. Computer scientists=2C computer security professionals=2C can post m= essages to such systems with message metadata expressiveness including with= regard to specific computers'=2C computer systems'=2C or computer networks= ' configurations.

=20 Some papers about peer-to-peer data routing include: A Comparative Study= of Pub/Sub Methods in Structured P2P Networks by Matthias Bender=2C Se= bastian Michel=2C Sebastian Parkitny=2C Gerhard Weikum =3B Publish/Subsc= ribe for RDF-based P2P Networks by Paul - Alexandru Chirita=2C Stratos = Idreos=2C Manolis Koubarakis=2C and Wolfgang Nejdl =3B Content-based Pub= lish-Subscribe Over Structured P2P Networks by Peter Triantafillou and = Ioannis Aekaterinidis.

=20 The envisioned computer security information resources can be researched=2C= developed=2C and constructed for the dissemination of computer security in= formation=2C enhancing the flow of information between and the instantaneou= s well-informedness of computer software developers and computer security p= rofessionals=2C personnel around the world responsible for versioning each = software and securing each computer=2C computer system=2C and computer netw= ork.



Kind regards=2C

Adam Sobieski
= --_470c77cc-6632-420c-951f-45f778b56671_-- From lars@netapp.com Tue Dec 18 00:03:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C037D21F84C7; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:03:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.112, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 51s-DzpIxUGi; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:03:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F1A21F84D0; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:03:29 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,308,1355126400"; d="scan'208";a="652640" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 18 Dec 2012 00:03:16 -0800 Received: from vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com (exchsmtp.hq.netapp.com [10.106.76.241]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id qBI83GCJ008669; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.108]) by vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.241]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:03:16 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: RFC Editor Thread-Topic: Request to publish draft-kamei-p2p-experiments-japan-09 Thread-Index: AQHN3PYhCohG+CEOGUyIDyy7zXpUEA== Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:03:15 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.106.53.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9008DD944D54644BA7D48BE24A9FBA29@tahoe.netapp.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" , "p2prg@irtf.org" , "" , Internet Research Steering Group Subject: [p2prg] Request to publish draft-kamei-p2p-experiments-japan-09 X-BeenThere: p2prg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:03:29 -0000 Hi, RFC Editor, please publish=20 draft-kamei-p2p-experiments-japan-09 as an Informational RFC on the IRTF St= ream. (IANA CC'ed for information.) The document has been approved for publication by the IRSG and also receive= d an RFC5742 review by the IESG. See http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/= trac/ticket/49 for details and history. Please copy all correspondence to the document shepherd, Volker Hilt (volke= r.hilt@bell-labs.com). Thanks, Lars= From adamsobieski@hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 09:47:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: p2prg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A2221F8A6C for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:47:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.144, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xa21ogvD2Wls for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from snt0-omc4-s10.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s10.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.213]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C85D21F87B2 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from SNT002-W86 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s10.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:47:27 -0800 X-EIP: [S3QOTkusFXCSBqaIo5oJEwE1SegjqjS6] X-Originating-Email: [adamsobieski@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_18117b7a-8d81-462d-bc0e-5d41a6a98421_" From: Adam Sobieski To: "p2prg@irtf.org" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:47:27 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2012 17:47:27.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[E95BC140:01CDDE10] Subject: Re: [p2prg] NNTP 2.0 X-BeenThere: p2prg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Peer-to-Peer Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:47:29 -0000 --_18117b7a-8d81-462d-bc0e-5d41a6a98421_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Internet Research Task Force=2C Peer-to-Peer Research Group=2C =20 On the topic of "NNTP 2.0" or "Usenet 2.0"=2C user-configurable pinging for= each of their messages and per individual messages=2C per article pinging= =2C is discussed in the W3C HTML Working Group in A New Feature for Bloggin= g Platforms (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Dec/0026.h= tml) and RE: A New Feature for Blogging Platforms (http://lists.w3.org/Arch= ives/Public/public-html/2012Dec/0096.html). In addition to blogging platfo= rms=2C such features can enhance forums platforms and technologies. =20 On the topic of enhancing metadata for blog articles=2C emails=2C forum pos= ts=2C and other user-generated content=2C semantic metadata is possible=2C = with keywords=2C tags=2C categories and other metadata as things=2C not str= ings=2C utilizing URI interoperably with Semantic Web technologies=2C enhan= cing search and navigation=2C as well as facilitating and enhancing numerou= s other features for end users. =20 Kind regards=2C Adam Sobieski = --_18117b7a-8d81-462d-bc0e-5d41a6a98421_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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=20 On the topic of "NNTP 2.0" or "Usenet 2.0"=2C user-configurable pinging for= each of their messages and per individual messages=2C per article pinging= =2C is discussed in the W3C HTML Working Group in A New Feature for Blog= ging Platforms (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012= Dec/0026.html) and RE: A New Feature for Blogging Platforms (= http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Dec/0096.html). In= addition to blogging platforms=2C such features can enhance forums platfor= ms and technologies.

=20 On the topic of enhancing metadata for blog articles=2C emails=2C forum pos= ts=2C and other user-generated content=2C semantic metadata is possible=2C = with keywords=2C tags=2C categories and other metadata as things=2C not str= ings=2C utilizing URI interoperably with Semantic Web technologies=2C enhan= cing search and navigation=2C as well as facilitating and enhancing numerou= s other features for end users.



=20 Kind regards=2C

Adam Sobieski
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