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If you are interested in this type of thing, I highly recommend reading


"A Model to Quantify the Success of a Sybil Attack Targeting RELOAD/Chord R=
esources",  by Uruena, M. ; Cuevas, R. ; Cuevas, A. ; Banchs, A.  in Commun=
ications Letters, IEEE Volume: 17, Issue: 2


http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=3D6412682&tag=3D1



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
 This draft is a work item of the Peer-to-Peer Session Initiation Protocol =
Working Group of the IETF.

	Title           : An extension to RELOAD to support Direct Response Routing
	Author(s)       : Ning Zong
                          Xingfeng Jiang
                          Roni Even
                          Yunfei Zhang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-p2psip-drr-05.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2013-04-08

Abstract:
   This document proposes an optional extension to RELOAD to support
   direct response routing mode.  RELOAD recommends symmetric recursive
   routing for routing messages.  The new optional extension provides a
   shorter route for responses reducing the overhead on intermediate
   peers and describes the potential cases where this extension can be
   used.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-p2psip-drr

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-p2psip-drr-05

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-p2psip-drr-05


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Hi Roni,

Sorry for my late reply.

I think I'm fine with your proposed text. I've seen that you have
updated DRR. Nnce you update RPR draft, I'll review both documents again
and post any further comments that I have (if any), as part of my
shepherd review.

Thanks,

Carlos

On Sat, 2013-03-30 at 10:46 +0300, Roni Even wrote:
> Hi Carlos,
> The current text in the security section of both drafts is
> 
> "As a routing alternative, the security part of RPR conforms to section 13.6 in based draft[I-D.ietf-p2psip-base] which describes routing security."
> 
> I saw you comment "I think this sections has to be extended. It is not clear to me how the proposed approach conforms to -base security without providing more details. How DoS attachs would be avoided for example, by trying to forge the destination address".
> 
> I am not sure what we can add here. The security section of the base draft starts with an overview that references RFC5765.  DRR and RPR are only adding  routing options.
> DRR provides a direct path back to the source and as such reduce the problem on malicious nodes on the route to affect the route back. The digital signatures defined in the based draft protects against changes of the forwarding header. 
> 
> 
> RPR  as specified in the draft (section3.2) is using a trusted node close to the initiating node, using a trusted nodes is recommended as a security policy.  We can look at RPR as DRR in the direction toward the destination and since it is not an arbitrary node in the middle but one that should be trusted (managed network, bootstrap peers or configured relay) and using the based security recommendation will suffice.
> 
> 
> We can try to add more text based on the above observation
> 
> for DRR
> 
> "As a routing alternative, the security part of DRR conforms to section 13 with emphasis one section 13.6 in based draft[I-D.ietf-p2psip-base] which describes routing security. The DRR routing option provide the information about the route back to the source. According to section 13 of the base drat the forwarding header MUST be digitally signed protecting the DRR routing information."
> 
> For RPR
>  
> "As a routing alternative, the security part of RPR conforms to section 13 with emphasis one section 13.6 in based draft[I-D.ietf-p2psip-base] which describes routing security. RPR behave like a DRR requesting node towards the destination node. The RPR relay node is not an arbitrary node but should be a trusted one  (managed network, bootstrap peers or configured relay) which will make it less of a risk as outlined in section13 of the based draft."
> 
> Thanks
> Roni Even
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: p2psip-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:p2psip-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Jes?s Bernardos Cano
> Sent: 22 January, 2013 1:51 PM
> To: p2psip@ietf.org
> Cc: draft-ietf-p2psip-drr@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-p2psip-rpr@tools.ietf.org
> Subject: [P2PSIP] Review of DRR and RPR documents
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As agreed during the last meeting, I've performed a review of draft-ietf-p2psip-drr and draft-ietf-p2psip-rpr documents, prior to shipping them to the IESG for publication. My reviews are attached to this e-mail (I added comments to the PDF version of each draft, hope this is fine).
> 
> I'd like authors to go through the comments before sending the documents to the IESG. There might be some issues that need to be brought to the WG for discussion.
> 
> I'd also like to ask the WG for opinion on one particular aspect. I'm wondering if it would be better to merge both documents into a single one. Currently, both documents make quite a lot of cross-references, but still there is duplicate text in both of them, so I'd be more in favor of merging (personal opinion). Please, comment on this on the mailing list.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carlos
> 



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OK, thanks.

Carlos

On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 01:07 +0000, Zongning wrote:
> Hi, Carlos,
> 
> I made mistake (using wrong file) when I tried to submit RPR draft, so that I could not do automatic post via IETF portal.
> I have asked 'internet-drafts@ietf.org' to do manual post and hope to see RPR draft in IETF repository soon.
> Sorry about that.
> 
> -Ning
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano [mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:01 AM
> > To: Roni Even
> > Cc: p2psip@ietf.org; draft-ietf-p2psip-drr@tools.ietf.org;
> > draft-ietf-p2psip-rpr@tools.ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [P2PSIP] Review of DRR and RPR documents
> > 
> > Hi Roni,
> > 
> > Sorry for my late reply.
> > 
> > I think I'm fine with your proposed text. I've seen that you have
> > updated DRR. Nnce you update RPR draft, I'll review both documents again
> > and post any further comments that I have (if any), as part of my
> > shepherd review.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Carlos
> > 
> > On Sat, 2013-03-30 at 10:46 +0300, Roni Even wrote:
> > > Hi Carlos,
> > > The current text in the security section of both drafts is
> > >
> > > "As a routing alternative, the security part of RPR conforms to section 13.6 in
> > based draft[I-D.ietf-p2psip-base] which describes routing security."
> > >
> > > I saw you comment "I think this sections has to be extended. It is not clear to
> > me how the proposed approach conforms to -base security without providing
> > more details. How DoS attachs would be avoided for example, by trying to
> > forge the destination address".
> > >
> > > I am not sure what we can add here. The security section of the base draft
> > starts with an overview that references RFC5765.  DRR and RPR are only
> > adding  routing options.
> > > DRR provides a direct path back to the source and as such reduce the
> > problem on malicious nodes on the route to affect the route back. The digital
> > signatures defined in the based draft protects against changes of the
> > forwarding header.
> > >
> > >
> > > RPR  as specified in the draft (section3.2) is using a trusted node close to the
> > initiating node, using a trusted nodes is recommended as a security policy.
> > We can look at RPR as DRR in the direction toward the destination and since it
> > is not an arbitrary node in the middle but one that should be trusted (managed
> > network, bootstrap peers or configured relay) and using the based security
> > recommendation will suffice.
> > >
> > >
> > > We can try to add more text based on the above observation
> > >
> > > for DRR
> > >
> > > "As a routing alternative, the security part of DRR conforms to section 13
> > with emphasis one section 13.6 in based draft[I-D.ietf-p2psip-base] which
> > describes routing security. The DRR routing option provide the information
> > about the route back to the source. According to section 13 of the base drat
> > the forwarding header MUST be digitally signed protecting the DRR routing
> > information."
> > >
> > > For RPR
> > >
> > > "As a routing alternative, the security part of RPR conforms to section 13
> > with emphasis one section 13.6 in based draft[I-D.ietf-p2psip-base] which
> > describes routing security. RPR behave like a DRR requesting node towards the
> > destination node. The RPR relay node is not an arbitrary node but should be a
> > trusted one  (managed network, bootstrap peers or configured relay) which
> > will make it less of a risk as outlined in section13 of the based draft."
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Roni Even
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: p2psip-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:p2psip-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> > Of Carlos Jes?s Bernardos Cano
> > > Sent: 22 January, 2013 1:51 PM
> > > To: p2psip@ietf.org
> > > Cc: draft-ietf-p2psip-drr@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-p2psip-rpr@tools.ietf.org
> > > Subject: [P2PSIP] Review of DRR and RPR documents
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > As agreed during the last meeting, I've performed a review of
> > draft-ietf-p2psip-drr and draft-ietf-p2psip-rpr documents, prior to shipping
> > them to the IESG for publication. My reviews are attached to this e-mail (I
> > added comments to the PDF version of each draft, hope this is fine).
> > >
> > > I'd like authors to go through the comments before sending the documents to
> > the IESG. There might be some issues that need to be brought to the WG for
> > discussion.
> > >
> > > I'd also like to ask the WG for opinion on one particular aspect. I'm wondering
> > if it would be better to merge both documents into a single one. Currently, both
> > documents make quite a lot of cross-references, but still there is duplicate text
> > in both of them, so I'd be more in favor of merging (personal opinion). Please,
> > comment on this on the mailing list.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > 
> 



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This is a call for participation for a RELOAD Interoperability Testing event
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On the Saturday, the event will be held at the Freie Universitaet Berlin.  On
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Freie Universitaet Berlin and the IETF for providing the resources for this.

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possible.  You do not need a complete implementation to participate and be
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Remember that all participants can have one or more RELOAD configuration &
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local or remote interoperability testing.  Please send me an email directly to
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Hi,

I have several questions regarding certificates with multiple NodeIDs.
It seems that different parts in the draft contradict each other.

First, section 6.6.1 defines requirements for future overlay link
protocols. I suppose, that current overlay link  protocol must meet
these requirements.
>Endpoint authentication When a node forms an association with another
>endpoint, it MUST be possible to cryptographically verify that the
>endpoint has a given Node-ID.

Certificates with multiple NodeIDs sometimes violate this requirement.
Unless a connection was formed as a result of exchanging Attach
messages, it is impossible to associate an endpoint and its NodeID,
which is the case when new node connects to BootstrapPeer.
As a consequence several reload requirements are hard or even impossible
to implement IMHO.

The first requirement is that ConnectionTable SHOULD use some indexes
instead of mapping NodeIds to (D)TLS Connections.

The second requirement is in section 6.1.2
>If a node with a certificate with multiple Node-IDs attempts to route
>a message other than a Ping or Attach through a node without performing
>an Attach, the receiving node MUST reject the request with an
>Error_Forbidden error. The node MUST implement support for returning
>responses to a Ping or Attach request made by a joiningnode Attaching to
>its responsible peer.

The routing decisions must be made based on ForwardingHeader alone, and
a ForwardingHeader does not contain information about type of the
message, being sent. So this is practically NOT implementable.

Section 3.2.1 Bullet 2 - about Clients, that connect to peers
>A client connected this way using a certificate with only a single
>Node-ID can proceed to use the connection without performing an Attach
>(Section 6.5.1). A client wishing to connect using this mechanism with a
>certificate with multiple Node-IDs can use a Ping (Section >6.5.3) to
>probe the Node-ID of the node to which it is connected before doing the
>Attach.

As far as I  understand, the procedure is as follows. The peer in the
overlay, that listens on some known port, receives a connection from a
client. This connection is in some unknown state because NodeId of at
least one endpoint is not known. Then, the client must send a PingReq to
the wildcard NodeId. It will be consumed by the peer as the next
endpoint. Once the client has learned the peer's NodeID, it may send
Attach, with, as I suppose, one static candidate. The peer must somehow
find out that this static candidate is the connection, that is already
formed and do not try to form it again.

(Moreover the Attach section doesn't state what to do if the connection
is already formed. This is also essential for the topology plugin, since
some node may already have an opened connection with its new neighbour
(consider peer-ready update), but in that case NodeIds are known and
connection table can be searched).

In my opinion, both client and peer could learn each other's NodeIDs
from the Ping. Both PingReq and PingAns are signed and thus uniquely
identify its senders. Since the connection to the client is in some
unknown state and the destination was wildcard NodeID, the peer can
assume that the sender of this message is another endpoint of this
connection. The peer can also compare the client's certificate with the
one, used to form TLS association.



Another question, that I have, is shared-secret admission schemes for TLS.
The TLS-PSK RFC states, that in case of TLS-PSK certificate exchange is
optional. It is unclear from the RFC, that PSK ciphers with certificate
exchange must be selected. It is also unclear, what should be sent in
TLS-PSK identity field - username, NodeID, both or nothing.
As of TLS-SRP RFC the client certificate cannot be requested.



I also can imagine two possible solutions to the first problem.

Solution 1(undesirable):
Have a specified way of finding out peer's identity. If one of the
certificates had multiple NodeIds, the first message, that is sent over
this connection must identified both peers. This can be Ping, Attach or
some dedicated "HelloReq" and it works as described above. After this
exchange both peers must update their connection tables with NodeIDs of
the endpoints.

This solution is undesirable, since it increases message load on
bootstrap nodes.

Solution 2:
Use TLS Extension to exchange not only the certificates, but also NodeID
(in some form, e.g. the cert_hash_node_id form) during the TLS connection.

The extension can use SupplementaryData [RFC 4680
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4680>] to exchange the actual NodeID. For
example:
struct {
      SupplementalDataType supp_data_type;
      uint16 supp_data_length;
      select(SupplementalDataType) {
          case reload_signer_identity: SignerIdentity
      }
} SupplementalDataEntry;

The 2 extensions, that look most suitable are:
1. user-mapping [RFC 4681<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4681>]. The
information, that is sent, is exactly what is needed,but the RFC defines
only client's authentication, not the server's.
2. serverautz/clientauthz [RFC 5878
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5878>]. This RFC is not standard.

I also want to propose more precise way for configuring TLS connection,
by using a dedicated section and overlay-config for configuring underlay
link layer for reload. For example, for TLS this would be:
<tls:auth> normal/PSK/SRP</tls:auth>
<tls:multiple-node-id-cerificates-allowed> true/false <tls:...>
<tls:shared-secret-scheme>...</..>
<tls:allowed-cipher-suites>...</...>

Does it make sense?

Regards,
    Polina


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Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science


We are researchers from different parts of the world and conducted a study on  
the world’s biggest bogus computer science conference WORLDCOMP 
( http://sites.google.com/site/worlddump1 ) organized by Prof. Hamid Arabnia 
from University of Georgia, USA.


We submitted a fake paper to WORLDCOMP 2011 and again (the same paper 
with a modified title) to WORLDCOMP 2012. This paper had numerous 
fundamental mistakes. Sample statements from that paper include: 

(1). Binary logic is fuzzy logic and vice versa
(2). Pascal developed fuzzy logic
(3). Object oriented languages do not exhibit any polymorphism or inheritance
(4). TCP and IP are synonyms and are part of OSI model 
(5). Distributed systems deal with only one computer
(6). Laptop is an example for a super computer
(7). Operating system is an example for computer hardware


Also, our paper did not express any conceptual meaning.  However, it 
was accepted both the times without any modifications (and without 
any reviews) and we were invited to submit the final paper and a 
payment of $500+ fee to present the paper. We decided to use the 
fee for better purposes than making Prof. Hamid Arabnia (Chairman 
of WORLDCOMP) rich. After that, we received few reminders from 
WORLDCOMP to pay the fee but we never responded. 


We MUST say that you should look at the above website if you have any thoughts 
to submit a paper to WORLDCOMP.  DBLP and other indexing agencies have stopped 
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http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/conf/icai/index.html for of one of the 
conferences of WORLDCOMP and notice that there is no listing after 2010. See Section 2 of
http://sites.google.com/site/dumpconf for comments from well-known researchers 
about WORLDCOMP. 


The status of your WORLDCOMP papers can be changed from scientific
to other (i.e., junk or non-technical) at any time. Better not to have a paper than 
having it in WORLDCOMP and spoil the resume and peace of mind forever!


Our study revealed that WORLDCOMP is a money making business, 
using University of Georgia mask, for Prof. Hamid Arabnia. He is throwing 
out a small chunk of that money (around 20 dollars per paper published 
in WORLDCOMP’s proceedings) to his puppet (Mr. Ashu Solo or A.M.G. Solo) 
who publicizes WORLDCOMP and also defends it at various forums, using 
fake/anonymous names. The puppet uses fake names and defames other conferences
to divert traffic to WORLDCOMP. He also makes anonymous phone calls and tries to 
threaten the critiques of WORLDCOMP (See Item 7 of Section 5 of above website). 
That is, the puppet does all his best to get a maximum number of papers published 
at WORLDCOMP to get more money into his (and Prof. Hamid Arabnia’s) pockets. 


Monte Carlo Resort (the venue of WORLDCOMP for more than 10 years, until 2012) has 
refused to provide the venue for WORLDCOMP’13 because of the fears of their image 
being tarnished due to WORLDCOMP’s fraudulent activities. That is why WORLDCOMP’13 
is taking place at a different resort. WORLDCOMP will not be held after 2013. 


The draft paper submission deadline is over but still there are no committee 
members, no reviewers, and there is no conference Chairman. The only contact 
details available on WORLDCOMP’s website is just an email address! 

Let us make a direct request to Prof. Hamid arabnia: publish all reviews for 
all the papers (after blocking identifiable details) since 2000 conference. Reveal 
the names and affiliations of all the reviewers (for each year) and how many 
papers each reviewer had reviewed on average. We also request him to look at 
the Open Challenge (Section 6) at https://sites.google.com/site/moneycomp1 


Sorry for posting to multiple lists. Spreading the word is the only way to stop 
this bogus conference. Please forward this message to other mailing lists and people. 


We are shocked with Prof. Hamid Arabnia and his puppet’s activities 
http://worldcomp-fake-bogus.blogspot.com   Search Google using the 
keyword worldcomp fake for additional links.


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I just release a new version of this draft that was presented in Atlanta.  The
draft contains a new Implementation Status section, following the advices of
draft-sheffer-running-code.

Comments, questions and suggestions are welcome.

Thanks.

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.


	Title           : Using Extended Key Usage (EKU) for REsource LOcation And
Discovery (RELOAD) X.509 Certificates
	Author(s)       : Marc Petit-Huguenin
	Filename        : draft-petithuguenin-p2psip-reload-eku-01.txt
	Pages           : 5
	Date            : 2013-04-29

Abstract:
   This document describes an Extended Key Usage (EKU) X.509 certificate
   extension for restricting the usage of a certificate to a REsource
   LOcation And Discovery (RELOAD) overlay.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-petithuguenin-p2psip-reload-eku

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-petithuguenin-p2psip-reload-eku-01

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-petithuguenin-p2psip-reload-eku-01


Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/



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