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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Peer-to-Peer Session Initiation Protocol Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Service Discovery Usage for REsource LOcation And Discovery (RELOAD)
        Authors         : Jouni Maenpaa
                          Gonzalo Camarillo
	Filename        : draft-ietf-p2psip-service-discovery-12.txt
	Pages           : 20
	Date            : 2014-06-08

Abstract:
   REsource LOcation and Discovery (RELOAD) does not define a generic
   service discovery mechanism as a part of the base protocol.  This
   document defines how the Recursive Distributed Rendezvous (ReDiR)
   service discovery mechanism used in OpenDHT can be applied to RELOAD
   overlays to provide a generic service discovery mechanism.


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        Title           : Self-tuning Distributed Hash Table (DHT) for REsource LOcation And Discovery (RELOAD)
        Authors         : Jouni Maenpaa
                          Gonzalo Camarillo
	Filename        : draft-ietf-p2psip-self-tuning-12.txt
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	Date            : 2014-06-08

Abstract:
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   signaling protocol that provides an overlay network service.  Peers
   in a RELOAD overlay network collectively run an overlay algorithm to
   organize the overlay, and to store and retrieve data.  This document
   describes how the default topology plugin of RELOAD can be extended
   to support self-tuning, that is, to adapt to changing operating
   conditions such as churn and network size.


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From: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
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Hi Jouni,

On 6/8/14, 2:14 AM, "Jouni M=C3=A4enp=C3=A4=C3=A4" <jouni.maenpaa@ericsson.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Thanks for the comments! They have been addressed in the new -12 revision
>of the draft.
>
>> Given that the base RELOAD spec already defines a discovery mechanism
>>for=20
>> TURN, I was surprised to see TURN as the only service registered in the
>>new=20
>> namespaces registry. What was the rationale for that decision?
>
>The service discovery mechanism in the base RELOAD spec is specific to
>TURN. The reason why we started writing this draft was that there was
>interest from the working group in having also a more generic service
>discovery mechanism for RELOAD that could be used also for other use
>cases than TURN server discovery. Use cases that were discussed at that
>point included among others voice mail and gateway discovery. Should we
>add these services to the namespaces registry? ReDiR can also be used as
>alternative to the TURN server discovery mechanism specified in RELOAD
>base.

I don=E2=80=99t have a strong opinion on whether the other services should be
added. If people are interested in using them, then they should be added.
Are people interested? If not, there should be an explanation in the
document that TURN is the only current use case of interest and that ReDir
is an alternative to the already-specified TURN discovery mechanism.

Thanks,
Alissa

>
>Regards,
>Jouni
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:alissa@cooperw.in]
>Sent: 30. toukokuuta 2014 23:50
>To: draft-ietf-p2psip-service-discovery@tools.ietf.org
>Cc: p2psip@ietf.org
>Subject: AD evaluation: draft-ietf-p2psip-service-discovery-11
>
>I have reviewed this document in preparation for IETF last call. It=E2=80=99s in
>good shape. I have one question before I issue the last call, though.
>Given that the base RELOAD spec already defines a discovery mechanism for
>TURN, I was surprised to see TURN as the only service registered in the
>new namespaces registry. What was the rationale for that decision?
>
>Some nits to be resolved with any last call comments:
>
>Section 2:
>s/"turn-relay=E2=80=9D/=E2=80=9Cturn-server=E2=80=9D/
>
>Section 4.2:
>"It is RECOMMENDED that Lstart is set to 2.=E2=80=9D
>
>It would be helpful to add some text here to motivate the decision to use
>2 as the recommendation.
>
>Section 4.5
>s/note: within the entire tree/note: within the entire tree node/
>
>Section 5:
>s/every kind which is storable/every Kind which is storable/
>
>Section 6:
>s/REDIR kind/REDIR Kind/
>
>Section 8:
>s/"REDIR=E2=80=9D kind/"REDIR=E2=80=9D Kind/
>
>Section 9:
>Seems like this section deserves a mention of the fact that a new access
>control policy had to be defined for Redir.
>
>Section 10.4:
>s/IANA SHALL create/IANA is requested to create/
>
>Thanks,
>Alissa
>
>



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Peer-to-Peer Session Initiation Protocol Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Concepts and Terminology for Peer to Peer SIP
        Authors         : David A. Bryan
                          Philip Matthews
                          Eunsoo Shim
                          Dean Willis
                          Spencer Dawkins
	Filename        : draft-ietf-p2psip-concepts-06.txt
	Pages           : 20
	Date            : 2014-06-13

Abstract:
   This document defines concepts and terminology for the use of the
   Session Initiation Protocol in a peer-to-peer environment where the
   traditional proxy-registrar and message routing functions are
   replaced by a distributed mechanism.  These mechanisms may be
   implemented using a distributed hash table or other distributed data
   mechanism with similar external properties.  This document includes a
   high-level view of the functional relationships between the network
   elements defined herein, a conceptual model of operations, and an
   outline of the related problems addressed by the P2PSIP working group
   and the RELOAD protocol and SIP usage ([RFC6940],
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I was recently asked to update the concepts draft and discuss the important
issues. The pass that has been made is largely around normalizing the text
to be compliant with the terminology of RFC 6940, but it certainly will
need an additional pass after a few questions to the group:

To move this draft forward, there are a few open issues/questions:

   MAJOR OPEN ISSUE: The initial wording in the high-level description
   about proving AoR to contact mapping reflects a very long and
   contentious debate about the role of the protocol, and reflected a
   pretense that this was an overlay only for P2PSIP.  That is not
   really true in base anymore (see last paragraph of introduction) and
   the language has been very much genericized in base.  Should we make
   this text more abstract and then use AoR->contact mapping as an
   example of the (original) use?  On a related note, see the last
   paragraph of the Background section -- do we want to reword this?

(my thought would be to make the text more generic, and mention that the
AoR->contact mapping is the most popular usage...)

   OPEN ISSUE: Should we include a section that documents previous
   decisions made, to preserve the historical debate and prevent past
   issues from being raised in the future, or simply rely on the mailing
   list to address these concerns?

(I don't think we want to do this. Huge (and largely unneeded) can of
worms, but it has been in the open issues section for some time and should
be at least asked of the list)

   OPEN ISSUE: Should we include the use cases from
   draft-bryan-p2psip-app-scenarios-00 (now long expired)?  There was
   some interest in doing so in previous versions, but no conclusion was
   reached.

(given the current stage of the group, I would say these aren't likely to
be useful anymore, but again, as it is currently listed as an open issue in
the draft, need to check)

The final open issue is do we want to advance the draft? In discussion with
the chairs and some folks, it seems the answer is yes, there is useful
material and we should push the draft out, but I wanted to discuss.
Assuming there is still interest, I'd also welcome any comments on the
draft...I'm sure I missed a few spots where it no longer aligns with 6940.

David

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I was recently asked to update the concepts draft and disc=
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malizing the text to be compliant with the terminology of RFC 6940, but it =
certainly will need an additional pass after a few questions to the group:=
=C2=A0<div>
<br></div><div>To move this draft forward, there are a few open issues/ques=
tions:</div><div><br></div><div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0MAJOR OPEN ISSUE: The ini=
tial wording in the high-level description</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0about pro=
ving AoR to contact mapping reflects a very long and</div>
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0contentious debate about the role of the protocol, and re=
flected a</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0pretense that this was an overlay only for=
 P2PSIP. =C2=A0That is not</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0really true in base anymo=
re (see last paragraph of introduction) and</div>
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the language has been very much genericized in base. =C2=
=A0Should we make</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0this text more abstract and then u=
se AoR-&gt;contact mapping as an</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0example of the (ori=
ginal) use? =C2=A0On a related note, see the last</div>
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0paragraph of the Background section -- do we want to rewo=
rd this?</div><div><br></div><div>(my thought would be to make the text mor=
e generic, and mention that the AoR-&gt;contact mapping is the most popular=
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<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0OPEN ISSUE: Should we include a section th=
at documents previous</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0decisions made, to preserve th=
e historical debate and prevent past</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0issues from bei=
ng raised in the future, or simply rely on the mailing</div>
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0list to address these concerns?</div><div><br></div><div>=
(I don&#39;t think we want to do this. Huge (and largely unneeded) can of w=
orms, but it has been in the open issues section for some time and should b=
e at least asked of the list)</div>
<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0OPEN ISSUE: Should we include the use case=
s from</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-bryan-p2psip-app-scenarios-00 (now long=
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 in previous versions, but no conclusion was</div>
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0reached.</div></div><div><br></div><div>(given the curren=
t stage of the group, I would say these aren&#39;t likely to be useful anym=
ore, but again, as it is currently listed as an open issue in the draft, ne=
ed to check)</div>
<div><br></div><div>The final open issue is do we want to advance the draft=
? In discussion with the chairs and some folks, it seems the answer is yes,=
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 discuss. Assuming there is still interest, I&#39;d also welcome any commen=
ts on the draft...I&#39;m sure I missed a few spots where it no longer alig=
ns with 6940.</div>
<div><br></div><div>David</div></div>

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Peer-to-Peer Session Initiation Protocol Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Self-tuning Distributed Hash Table (DHT) for REsource LOcation And Discovery (RELOAD)
        Authors         : Jouni Maenpaa
                          Gonzalo Camarillo
	Filename        : draft-ietf-p2psip-self-tuning-14.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2014-06-16

Abstract:
   REsource LOcation And Discovery (RELOAD) is a peer-to-peer (P2P)
   signaling protocol that provides an overlay network service.  Peers
   in a RELOAD overlay network collectively run an overlay algorithm to
   organize the overlay, and to store and retrieve data.  This document
   describes how the default topology plugin of RELOAD can be extended
   to support self-tuning, that is, to adapt to changing operating
   conditions such as churn and network size.


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On Jun 13, 2014, at 4:40 PM, David Bryan <dbryan@ethernot.org> wrote:

> I was recently asked to update the concepts draft and discuss the importa=
nt issues. The pass that has been made is largely around normalizing the te=
xt to be compliant with the terminology of RFC 6940, but it certainly will =
need an additional pass after a few questions to the group:=20
>=20
> To move this draft forward, there are a few open issues/questions:
>=20
>    MAJOR OPEN ISSUE: The initial wording in the high-level description
>    about proving AoR to contact mapping reflects a very long and
>    contentious debate about the role of the protocol, and reflected a
>    pretense that this was an overlay only for P2PSIP.  That is not
>    really true in base anymore (see last paragraph of introduction) and
>    the language has been very much genericized in base.  Should we make
>    this text more abstract and then use AoR->contact mapping as an
>    example of the (original) use?  On a related note, see the last
>    paragraph of the Background section -- do we want to reword this?
>=20
> (my thought would be to make the text more generic, and mention that the =
AoR->contact mapping is the most popular usage=85)
Agree

>=20
>    OPEN ISSUE: Should we include a section that documents previous
>    decisions made, to preserve the historical debate and prevent past
>    issues from being raised in the future, or simply rely on the mailing
>    list to address these concerns?
>=20
> (I don't think we want to do this. Huge (and largely unneeded) can of wor=
ms, but it has been in the open issues section for some time and should be =
at least asked of the list)
No, we don=92t need to do this

>=20
>    OPEN ISSUE: Should we include the use cases from
>    draft-bryan-p2psip-app-scenarios-00 (now long expired)?  There was
>    some interest in doing so in previous versions, but no conclusion was
>    reached.
>=20
> (given the current stage of the group, I would say these aren't likely to=
 be useful anymore, but again, as it is currently listed as an open issue i=
n the draft, need to check)
Nah, I don=92t think it is necessary, or even that useful at this point

>=20
> The final open issue is do we want to advance the draft? In discussion wi=
th the chairs and some folks, it seems the answer is yes, there is useful m=
aterial and we should push the draft out, but I wanted to discuss. Assuming=
 there is still interest, I'd also welcome any comments on the draft...I'm =
sure I missed a few spots where it no longer aligns with 6940.
I would like to see this finished.

>=20
> David
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The IESG has received a request from the Peer-to-Peer Session Initiation
Protocol WG (p2psip) to consider the following document:
- 'Service Discovery Usage for REsource LOcation And Discovery (RELOAD)'
  <draft-ietf-p2psip-service-discovery-13.txt> as Proposed Standard

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Abstract


   REsource LOcation and Discovery (RELOAD) does not define a generic
   service discovery mechanism as a part of the base protocol.  This
   document defines how the Recursive Distributed Rendezvous (ReDiR)
   service discovery mechanism used in OpenDHT can be applied to RELOAD
   overlays to provide a generic service discovery mechanism.




The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-p2psip-service-discovery/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-p2psip-service-discovery/ballot/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.



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        Title           : Self-tuning Distributed Hash Table (DHT) for REsource LOcation And Discovery (RELOAD)
        Authors         : Jouni Maenpaa
                          Gonzalo Camarillo
	Filename        : draft-ietf-p2psip-self-tuning-15.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2014-06-26

Abstract:
   REsource LOcation And Discovery (RELOAD) is a peer-to-peer (P2P)
   signaling protocol that provides an overlay network service.  Peers
   in a RELOAD overlay network collectively run an overlay algorithm to
   organize the overlay, and to store and retrieve data.  This document
   describes how the default topology plugin of RELOAD can be extended
   to support self-tuning, that is, to adapt to changing operating
   conditions such as churn and network size.


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