From nobody Mon Mar 2 05:00:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465321A8726 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 05:00:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.767 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.767 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MALFORMED_FREEMAIL=2.767, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QqpcFA6pzleN for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 05:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yk0-x22b.google.com (mail-yk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E26221A874A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 05:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by ykbq200 with SMTP id q200so13259646ykb.2 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2015 05:00:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RLmeauIfiHHwQdzYxyJ2R2jVjI17VohNw+W6HYzRO2c=; b=AgPZDn15XqslzwgnqsCEEd43MccsLRQGJP9S29QVIeD0dgSrKqS2aScZu3mT9JyPLM aGBnS35J8AhNBsKCmGey2GcKAA+65paVqDysg6Rz8Qp0Jjqxoz6Q35//Ol4XTcXD32Ac JX1ywRyk3i91P91E6gwFOqPb2LeO10N6n+SGw+u08KuYE2YPVVzw+ISuk5d3hVib9v+X birOELLLrYkdDWBCaE94PgnkA1mhYotlJDuELbTWVngOKbvAF9X5vv/3gna8Hrv6Rcv3 04a5XpZQx+u5sz0yvmGMDw5xj2CUtcS43+B5Nn+Ll6Pup//aSOLDK2zWoOPggHa/3D58 wabg== X-Received: by 10.236.60.228 with SMTP id u64mr25699367yhc.43.1425301242132; Mon, 02 Mar 2015 05:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.2.8.95] (67-9-247-105.res.bhn.net. [67.9.247.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i50sm9926442yhg.41.2015.03.02.05.00.40 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Mar 2015 05:00:41 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 08:00:28 -0500 From: Edwin Mallette To: "draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection@tools.ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Pals] Poll to determine consensus for adoption of draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection as WG draft In-Reply-To: <54EB2CEC.8040302@cisco.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Poll to determine consensus for adoption of draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection as WG draft X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 13:00:44 -0000 Support. This is a useful enhancement, particularly in the point-to-multipoint access space. On 2/23/15, 8:36 AM, "Stewart Bryant" wrote: >Working Group, > >This email starts a poll to see whether there is consensus to adopt >draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection as a WG draft of >the PALS WG. > >Please send your comments (support/not support) to the PALS working >group mailing list (pals@ietf.org). Please give a technical >motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that >the document should not be adopted as a working group document. > >This poll will conclude on 9th March 2015 > >- Stewart > >_______________________________________________ >Pals mailing list >Pals@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals From nobody Mon Mar 2 12:39:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAC01A897A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:39:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D3tVgee0yoEy for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qg0-x22f.google.com (mail-qg0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 607E11A874A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id q107so6002609qgd.6 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2015 12:39:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=AXTcwTQiUQT6uqtEraMJ62M2sKgm8ZoNkPFaZN8Smv4=; b=O3j3JDZSIx90xkKEUWareTSNdondN/wxlOy3ICN6tYN9mFz/xAfheOOf2at+p7IxGs rNx46jZdSn399kXBTfg889WuMAcZ2IEb1MzWaYoZXEHquEQpS/i5168RfNkiBrCLD1Sl VQG7dFCcpSJDOqmtslE+iGaZmEvYBEhD2eNf6YRtDgvAQ///QuLQZbGvAjhpWiAlBsI/ 5PA7BcQCPl9QJ9I+3euc6vy7To3U6sEvYc8AZoa3rW4oVqFFEHTxtxjID+x4ZSKdVJ+M o1331r25KyTJlmJcameRcG67xkLQXK25RZdfhfGU5QA3KLbyFC98OXLErSbB0N+h8BN9 aT1Q== X-Received: by 10.140.40.203 with SMTP id x69mr52274277qgx.15.1425328749667; Mon, 02 Mar 2015 12:39:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.104.170 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 15:38:49 -0500 Message-ID: To: Stewart Bryant Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c116f8cfea3b051054354b Archived-At: Cc: "pals@ietf.org" Subject: [Pals] Shepherd review for draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-02 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 20:39:12 -0000 --001a11c116f8cfea3b051054354b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 This is my Shepherd review of draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-02, and should be treated the same as any other WG LC comments on the draft. The draft is pretty much ready for publication. I found some typographical errors that should be corrected prior to publication. - The acronym "LSE" (Label Stack Entry) is used throughout without ever being expanded. It should be expanded on its first use in Section 1. - The bit numbering above the packet diagram in figure 3 is incorrect. It should read: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | PW LSE | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | GAL LSE | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |0 0 0 1|Version| Reserved | Channel Type | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | ~ VCCV Message Body ~ | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - There is a typo with respect to the reference to Section 1 in the first paragraph of Section 7. - In Section 9.1, I think "recommended" should be "requested". - In Section 10, "let" should be "led". Thanks, Andy --001a11c116f8cfea3b051054354b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is my Shepherd review of=C2=A0draft-ietf-pals-vccv-fo= r-gal-02, and should be treated the same as any other WG LC comments on the= draft.

The draft is pretty much ready for publication. = I found some typographical errors that should be corrected prior to publica= tion.

- The acronym "LSE" (Label Stack E= ntry) is used throughout without ever being expanded. It should be expanded= on its first use in Section 1.

- The bit numberin= g above the packet diagram in figure 3 is incorrect. It should read:
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    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1

   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |                            PW LSE                             |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |                           GAL LSE                             |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |0 0 0 1|Version|   Reserved    |        Channel Type           |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |                                                               |
   ~                        VCCV Message Body                      ~
   |                                                               |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+


- There is a typo with respe= ct to the reference to Section 1 in the first paragraph of Section 7.
=

- In Section 9.1, I think "recommended" shoul= d be "requested".

- In Section 10, "= ;let" should be "led".

Thanks,
Andy

--001a11c116f8cfea3b051054354b-- From nobody Tue Mar 3 06:24:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB061A86DD for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2015 06:24:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GTXytxzykLq8 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2015 06:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-x22c.google.com (mail-qa0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72C761A86E3 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2015 06:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id n8so28240703qaq.3 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2015 06:24:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=aTwYWk4rLcQXzj4OY7+C9792IhE9AryyXycTJf3ADYY=; b=dnnUkEV/zGjV8sg2cFN4WJFtgXLstSxaYZoh5CicqnMTuZiHB/jMNr35+GwJlvW4st I+6sPF3jdxd5sHcWAS/5sfzf8asSkU+OonUeUbmAj3zwtptTyGaJa4yWzQgEvykvhIKf tYhO543y+G+A/kMvnGjzNTXW7t4OIyn04KaYgPbxtmA98+OtQFC7RRNcZwcFwjSHEn1U /J2UDKQ2uLzSxNFgmngIR35k4OiwKaUiHt4+1x+ZRitlOlIA/YwyEgLSLo0O16FqiodY jvcUKl5AAALOJx8pn1WkxNAU9WiTIPTb5zTkInDiqMGuUNt0jiJcmAUAdmHBI6DHu+gz Dd7Q== X-Received: by 10.55.23.130 with SMTP id 2mr12318291qkx.78.1425392652695; Tue, 03 Mar 2015 06:24:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.104.170 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Mar 2015 06:23:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 09:23:52 -0500 Message-ID: To: "pals@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1147b1dababdab05106316f2 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Please review draft-ietf-pals-ms-pw-protection-00.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 14:24:15 -0000 --001a1147b1dababdab05106316f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The editors of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-ms-pw-protection-00 would appreciate WG review of the draft. In the absence of comments, we feel that the draft may be ready for WG last call. Please take a look and let us know if you agree, or have comments on the text. As the IETF meeting is coming up, we plan to ask for WG LC following the meeting. Thanks much, Andy --001a1147b1dababdab05106316f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The editors of=C2=A0http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-= pals-ms-pw-protection-00 would appreciate WG review of the draft. In th= e absence of comments, we feel that the draft may be ready for WG last call= . Please take a look and let us know if you agree, or have comments on the = text. As the IETF meeting is coming up, we plan to ask for WG LC following = the meeting.

Thanks much,
Andy

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Malis" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 13:28:41 -0500 Message-ID: To: Alexander Vainshtein Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113598fc401b56051066829f Archived-At: Cc: "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] Please review draft-ietf-pals-ms-pw-protection-00.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 18:29:04 -0000 --001a113598fc401b56051066829f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sasha, Thanks, the comments are much appreciated. I'll do an update after waiting to see if I receive any other comments soon. Cheers, Andy On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Alexander Vainshtein < Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote: > Andy and all, > > I have read the draft, and I have a couple of comments that could be > addressed before or after the WG LC. > > 1. To the best of my understanding the draft addresses the scenario > when multiple static MS-PWs are set up between a single pair of T-PEs and > provide services to single-homed CEs connected to these T-PEs. However, > this can only be understood when the reader looks at the network referenc= e > model that is copied from RFC 6718. IMHO and FWIW this should be explicit= ly > stated early in the text (e.g., in the Introduction). > > 2. May I suggest that the draft also clarifies its relationship > with another WG document (draft-ietf-pals-redundancy-spe)? > > 3. The following text fragment in the Introduction is difficult to > parse (the problematic text is in *italics*): > > As described in RFC 5659 [RFC5659 > ], Multi-Segment Pseudowires (MS- > > PWs) consist of terminating PEs (T-PEs), switching PEs (S-PEs), *and* > > * PW segments between the T-PEs at each of the MS-PW and the interior* > > * S-PEs.* > > May I suggest to the authors to consider the following alternative: > > As described in RFC 5659 [RFC5659 > ], Multi-Segment Pseudowires (MS- > > PWs) consist of a pair of terminating PEs (T-PEs), one or more > switching PEs > > (S-PEs), and a sequence of PW segments that connects one of T-PEs with > its > > =E2=80=9Cadjacent=E2=80=9D S-PE, connects this S-PE with the next S-PE= in the sequence > and > > so on until the last S-PE is connected by the last PW segment to the > remaining > > T-PE. > > 4. RFC 6478 describes two different methods for sending static PW > status messages across MS-PWs: > > a. Hop-by-hop: static PE status messages are transmitted with TTL= =3D1 > in the PW label LSE so that are intercepted by the first S-PE they cross, > and this S-PE regenerates/relays them > > b. S-PE Bypass mode when static PW status messages are sent between > two T-PEs end-to-end without relay at S-PEs. > > The draft does not explain which of these modes should be used for MS-PW > protection. From my POV this deserves additional clarification in the tex= t > that is intended for the Standards Track to avoid potential > interoperability issues. > > > > Hopefully these comments would be useful. > > > > Regards, > > Sasha > > > > Office: +972-39266302 > > Cell: +972-549266302 > > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > > > > *From:* Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew G. Mali= s > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:24 PM > *To:* pals@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Pals] Please review draft-ietf-pals-ms-pw-protection-00.txt > > > > The editors of > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-ms-pw-protection-00 would > appreciate WG review of the draft. In the absence of comments, we feel th= at > the draft may be ready for WG last call. Please take a look and let us kn= ow > if you agree, or have comments on the text. As the IETF meeting is coming > up, we plan to ask for WG LC following the meeting. > > > > Thanks much, > > Andy > > > --001a113598fc401b56051066829f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sasha,

Thanks, the comments are much ap= preciated. I'll do an update after waiting to see if I receive any othe= r comments soon.

Cheers,
Andy
=

O= n Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Alexander Vainshtein <= Alexa= nder.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote:

Andy and all,

I have read the draft, an= d I have a couple of comments that could be addressed before or after the W= G LC.

1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 To the best of my understanding the draft addresses the scenario when = multiple static MS-PWs are set up between a single pair of T-PEs and provide services to single-homed CEs connected to these T-PEs= . However, this can only be understood when the reader looks at the network= reference model that is copied from RFC 6718. IMHO and FWIW this should be= explicitly stated early in the text (e.g., in the Introduction).

2.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 May I suggest that the draft also clarifies its relationship with anot= her WG document (draft-ietf-pals-redundancy-spe)?

3.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The following text fragment in the Introduction is difficult to parse = (the problematic text is in italics):

=C2=A0=C2=A0 As described in RFC 5659 [RFC5659], Multi-Segment Pseudowires (MS-

=C2=A0=C2=A0 PWs) consist of terminating PEs (T-PEs), switching PEs (= S-PEs), and

=C2=A0=C2=A0 PW segments between the T-PEs at each of the MS-PW an= d the interior

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0S-PEs.=

May I suggest to the authors to consider the following alternative:<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 As d= escribed in RFC 5659 [RFC5659], Multi-Segment Pseudowires (MS-

=C2=A0=C2=A0 PWs)= consist of a pair of terminating PEs (T-PEs), one or more switching PEs

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0(S-PEs), and a sequence of PW segments that connects one of T-PEs with i= ts

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=E2=80=9Cadjacent=E2=80=9D S-PE, connects this S-PE with the next S-PE i= n the sequence and

=C2=A0=C2=A0 so o= n until the last S-PE is connected by the last PW segment to the remaining<= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 T-PE= .

4.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RFC 6478 describes two different methods for sending static PW status = messages across MS-PWs:

a.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Hop-by-hop: static PE status messages are transmitted with TTL=3D1 in = the PW label LSE so that are intercepted by the first S-PE they cross, and this S-PE regenerates/relays them

b.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 S-PE Bypass mode when static PW status messages are sent between two T= -PEs end-to-end without relay at S-PEs.

The draft does not explain which of these modes should be used for MS-P= W protection. From my POV this deserves additional clarification in the text that is intended for the Standards Tr= ack to avoid potential interoperability issues.

=C2=A0

Hopefully these comments = would be useful.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Sasha

=C2=A0

Office: +972-39266302

Cell:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 +972-549266302

Email:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Alexander.V= ainshtein@ecitele.com

=C2=A0

From: Pals [ma= ilto:pals-bounce= s@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew G. Malis
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:24 PM
To: pals@ietf.org=
Subject: [Pals] Please review draft-ietf-pals-ms-pw-protection-00.tx= t

=C2=A0

The editors of=C2=A0http://tools.i= etf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-ms-pw-protection-00 would appreciate WG re= view of the draft. In the absence of comments, we feel that the draft may be ready for WG last call. Please take a look and let us kno= w if you agree, or have comments on the text. As the IETF meeting is coming= up, we plan to ask for WG LC following the meeting.

=C2=A0

Thanks much,

Andy

=C2=A0


--001a113598fc401b56051066829f-- From nobody Wed Mar 4 07:38:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51F01A6F05 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 07:38:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kAAQzmiE4Kgv for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 07:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x234.google.com (mail-qc0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 450B41A8716 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by qcxr5 with SMTP id r5so37922891qcx.10 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2015 07:38:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=e3whZG1aC84jO2DzNWyj2KA3RKOibtBsG+VNWujKF0E=; b=ExxjMqjEHBdYeI7dKH9NOvR+suJfb7f+n7w3vEVvwqCkSR1nU3rpu+f0nzQ76CZQv/ xYK0InpfJTX1dIJMC0fsToW/BJvfmYcQ+NakKsuoSXlNF5KfzXx0sSZwZl0kUBy0moJD Swuao1hqPTCB+ohDnvwYFQUW+kdz3mG2BcGY9OkdgV1slWm0lNwzOCQe43L4zsIteua8 posBvcGFwQRgZjOaGD0DDtWzOnVBYCCv4R7RFApTIunHrdnGxlK/ClwcLPubin6l8xt5 z3uEhSMhuWPeMFzgiC6bAG+xJBSOhQeD+/wBO7pQig+kRY1uynknr/cuykvOkqPIzDnO PZ6g== X-Received: by 10.140.132.197 with SMTP id 188mr6726434qhe.24.1425483482544; Wed, 04 Mar 2015 07:38:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.104.170 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 07:37:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 10:37:42 -0500 Message-ID: To: "pals@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal@tools.ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c081fe9c3f670510783ccd Archived-At: Cc: BOCCI Matthew Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS WG LC for draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-00 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 15:38:14 -0000 --001a11c081fe9c3f670510783ccd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 This ends the WG last call for draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-02. There have been comments received, and the draft should be updated to -03 before it is submitted to the IESG for publication. Thanks, Andy On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > As we have now heard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this begins > the two-week PALS WG LC for > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-00, ending on > Wednesday, March 4. Please review the draft and respond with comments, or > an indication that you have read the draft and support it being forwarded > to the IESG for publication. As this draft affects the default modes for > VCCV, I would like to make sure it gets a good review by the WG. > > Thanks, > Andy > > --001a11c081fe9c3f670510783ccd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This ends the WG last call for=C2=A0draft-ietf-pals-vccv-f= or-gal-02. There have been comments received, and the draft should be updat= ed to -03 before it is submitted to the IESG for publication.

Thanks,
Andy


On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Andr= ew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
As we have now heard from all of the authors= regarding IPR, this begins the two-week PALS WG LC for=C2=A0http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-vccv-fo= r-gal-00, ending on Wednesday, March 4. Please review the draft and res= pond with comments, or an indication that you have read the draft and suppo= rt it being forwarded to the IESG for publication. As this draft affects th= e default modes for VCCV, I would like to make sure it gets a good review b= y the WG.

Thanks,
Andy


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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 18:55:15 -0000 --_000_D11CB0DB16F4C1davidsinicropeericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Second reminder. BTW, this will be the last IETF I send the slot request to L2VPN and PWE3. Thanks! Dave From: pwe3 [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Sinicrope Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:23 PM To: pals@ietf.org Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew Malis; IETF.PWE3; Stewart= Bryant Subject: [PWE3] PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Hi All, It=92s that time again=85 If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 92 PALS session, please reply = to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. (If there are still questions on where L2VPN drafts will be addressed (in P= ALS or BESS), please contact the WG Chairs.) Please use this form and please reply to this email. - topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking): - draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth= -oam-iwk/): - brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and re= solved via the presentation during the meeting (e.g., need to address secu= rity issues and get direction from the WG): - requested duration (norm is 10 min): - speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): Thanks! Dave --_000_D11CB0DB16F4C1davidsinicropeericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Second reminder.
BTW, this will be the last IETF I send the slot request to L2VPN and P= WE3.
Thanks!
Dave

 

From: pwe3 [mai= lto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Sinicrope
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:23 PM
To: pals@ietf.org
Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew Mal= is; IETF.PWE3; Stewart Bryant
Subject: [PWE3] PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas

 

 

Hi All,

It= =92s that time again=85  

 =

If you = need a presentation slot for the IETF 92 PALS session, please reply= to this email (subject intact) completing the form below.  &= nbsp;

(If there are still questions on where L2VPN dr= afts will be addressed (in PALS or BESS), please contact the WG Chairs.)

 =

Please use this form and please reply to this email.  

 =

- topic (e.g.,&n= bsp;MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):

- brief statement of objectives and issues tha= t need to be discussed and resolved via the presentation during the meeting=  (e.g., need to address security issues and get direction from the WG):  <= o:p>

- requested duration (norm is 10 min):  <= /span>

- speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave S= INICROPE):  

 =

Thanks!

Dave

 --_000_D11CB0DB16F4C1davidsinicropeericssoncom_-- From nobody Wed Mar 4 17:19:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE261ACD86 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:19:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s1A_bJKQNv8C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B8911ACD7D for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BPX06945; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:19:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.71) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 01:19:35 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.156]) by SZXEMA412-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.71]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 09:19:32 +0800 From: Jiangyuanlong To: Loa Andersson , Gregory Mirsky , "stbryant@cisco.com" , "draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection@tools.ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pals] Poll to determine consensus for adoption of draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection as WG draft Thread-Index: AQHQT23TN89ksR558UyiCe+AQPk2c50DNgkAgAB+QACACXCNAA== Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 01:19:32 +0000 Message-ID: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A892E86@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <54EB2CEC.8040302@cisco.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B9158E7@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <54F03382.4080108@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <54F03382.4080108@pi.nu> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.46.89.134] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Poll to determine consensus for adoption of draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection as WG draft X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:19:40 -0000 +1 -----Original Message----- From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 5:06 PM To: Gregory Mirsky; stbryant@cisco.com; draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homin= g-protection@tools.ietf.org; pals@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pals] Poll to determine consensus for adoption of draft-cheng= -pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection as WG draft Pals, I agree with Greg, while I support that this document, that addresses real = uses cases, is adopted as a working group document, it is a framework and = should be Informational. /Loa On 2015-02-27 09:34, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > yes/support > > The draft sets foundation for solutions of real use cases. Since the docu= ment is framework and use cases, has no IANA allocations authors may consid= er changing it to Informational. > > Regards, > Greg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:37 AM > To: draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection@tools.ietf.org;=20 > pals@ietf.org > Subject: [Pals] Poll to determine consensus for adoption of=20 > draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection as WG draft > > Working Group, > > This email starts a poll to see whether there is consensus to adopt draft= -cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection as a WG draft of the PALS WG. > > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the PALS working group= mailing list (pals@ietf.org). Please give a technical motivation for your = support/not support, especially if you think that the document should not b= e adopted as a working group document. > > This poll will conclude on 9th March 2015 > > - Stewart > > _______________________________________________ > Pals mailing list > Pals@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals > > _______________________________________________ > Pals mailing list > Pals@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals > --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 _______________________________________________ Pals mailing list Pals@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals From nobody Wed Mar 4 17:21:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58251ACD79 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:21:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TYBOv3pCxV28 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D28121ACD76 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BPX07057; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:21:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.33) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 01:21:32 +0000 Received: from NKGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.106]) by nkgeml402-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.33]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 09:21:23 +0800 From: Mingui Zhang To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "hujie@ctbri.com.cn" , Wenhuafeng , "'Andrew G. Malis'" , "stbryant@cisco.com" Thread-Topic: [Pals] AD review of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp Thread-Index: AdBGAMA2d0PGMJxxRFWBx89bikyfhgQUbD4AACQBt6M= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 01:21:22 +0000 Message-ID: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E76AB36767@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <001801d04600$c3880500$4a980f00$@olddog.co.uk>, <01b301d05695$82020270$86060750$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <01b301d05695$82020270$86060750$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.195.70.149] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] AD review of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:21:35 -0000 Hi Adrian, Thanks for taking care of this. I am working on it and will send out the up= dated version for review in this week. Thanks, Mingui ________________________________________ From: Adrian Farrel [adrian@olddog.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 0:08 To: hujie@ctbri.com.cn; Wenhuafeng; Mingui Zhang; 'Andrew G. Malis'; stbrya= nt@cisco.com Cc: pals@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Pals] AD review of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp Hi, Do we have a status report on this document? Thanks, Adrian= From nobody Wed Mar 4 17:21:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E711ACD93 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MqD5FI2IZKo3 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D44551ACD91 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BPX07065; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:21:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.70) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 01:21:39 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.156]) by szxema411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 09:21:36 +0800 From: Jiangyuanlong To: Gregory Mirsky , "stbryant@cisco.com" , "draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pals] Poll to determine consensus for adoption of draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination as WG draft Thread-Index: AQHQT23dMJnJ1JYkG0+nAoAiFFvg5Z0DNzeAgAnuaFA= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 01:21:36 +0000 Message-ID: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A892E97@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <548986EC.6050806@cisco.com> <54EB2CF2.1010903@cisco.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B915900@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B915900@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.46.89.134] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Poll to determine consensus for adoption of draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination as WG draft X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:21:46 -0000 Support. -----Original Message----- From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Mirsky Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 9:39 AM To: stbryant@cisco.com; draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@t= ools.ietf.org; pals@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pals] Poll to determine consensus for adoption of draft-cheng= -pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination as WG draft yes/support The document addresses realistic in MPLS-TP network case when ICCP cannot b= e used to coordinate state within PE redundancy group. Using G-ACh is logic= al approach then. Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:37 AM To: draft-cheng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org; pals@= ietf.org Subject: [Pals] Poll to determine consensus for adoption of draft-cheng-pwe= 3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination as WG draft Working Group, This email starts a poll to see whether there is consensus to adopt draft-c= heng-pwe3-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination as a WG draft of the PALS WG. Please send your comments (support/not support) to the PALS working group m= ailing list (pals@ietf.org). Please give a technical motivation for your su= pport/not support, especially if you think that the document should not be = adopted as a working group document. This poll will conclude on 9th March 2015 - Stewart _______________________________________________ Pals mailing list Pals@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals _______________________________________________ Pals mailing list Pals@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals From nobody Fri Mar 6 05:23:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E20E1ACE1C; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 05:23:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ffnDr0_V_QHm; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 05:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D763D1ACE0F; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 05:23:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150306132318.15094.51852.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 05:23:18 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-03.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 13:23:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Using GAL as a VCCV Channel Indicator Authors : Thomas D. Nadeau Luca Martini Stewart Bryant Filename : draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-03.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2015-03-06 Abstract: This document specifies a new Virtual Circuit Connectivity Verification (VCCV) (RFC5085) control channel type for use with pseudowires (PW) carried over an MPLS network. This new channel type uses the Generic Associated Channel Label (GAL) (RFC5586) to distinguish VCCV packets from packets carrying user data. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Mar 6 06:29:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AAE1A1DBE for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 06:29:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i1QwrFB_dJ-s for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 06:29:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B26E1ACDF2 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 06:29:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5750; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1425652175; x=1426861775; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:mime-version:to:cc:subject; bh=cebJsM33yrGSYDR3LhwO9aX2hB1pTzUvJSnPxhp6C2k=; b=CZrIoTRqbsUcqdHIchnscYKo7e7RdEBp+CqZyUZSXQEg1C4np1rkake5 rc2mtmFZfotunZVwnPW59/R/XTXHa9f66j9QUvrq5lpq3GEsmvi0oL2V5 cKxPmLyCigpnhKdPEo+VWZz/Afq7UoaRDp1HdJ50U817oq9qSMGrbTDuQ s=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,353,1422921600"; d="scan'208,217";a="375957374" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Mar 2015 14:29:34 +0000 Received: from [64.103.108.174] (dhcp-bdlk10-data-vlan301-64-103-108-174.cisco.com [64.103.108.174]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t26ETXQg006600; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 14:29:34 GMT Message-ID: <54F9B9CF.1010207@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 14:29:35 +0000 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pals@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020807010208050908090204" Archived-At: Cc: draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 14:29:38 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020807010208050908090204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The authors of http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon/ have asked us to start a poll for WG adoption. However before we do this I think that we as a WG need discuss the right way forward for this draft. In looking at the history of the draft I discover that there has been almost no technical discussion on the list. If I look back at the minutes I find: @ IETF 90 YJS: how much is deployed with the 2:n splitters? Ed: Bright House would probably do it. The splitter would be in house as it solves other issues. PON is growing, but not a great deal deployed in NA cable. Yuanlong: used for small cell backhaul. Can protect a bunch of small cells. YJS: so far interest in, but not deployed. 2:N splitter needs to resynch. Why do we need if phy not there. Andy: please provide comments to the list. Matthew: readers? 4, only one commenter on the list and @ IETF 91 Edwin presented the slides No comments. The call for WG adoption will be carried to the email list. The Chairs noted interest in the meetings and on the list. In the last remark we may have been mistaken given that all I can find are eight emails up to this point excluding automatic notifications and emails from the authors asking the chairs to take an action. In looking at the draft, the only IANA actions are in the ICC RG parameter registry which has Expert Review or FCFS codepoint ranges, thus there is no need for a standards track RFC or indeed any RFC from this point of view. In looking at the subject matter itself, I wonder whether this is a technology where it is expected there will be multi-vendor deployment within a PON domain requiring multi-vendor interworking of this feature. The IESG have recently been pushing back on the publication of drafts that have limited support, and thus we need to be in a position to justify moving forward with this draft on whatever stream we decide is best. Given the above, I would like to understand the views of the WG on which stream is most appropriate for this work: PALS WG - Standards Track PALS WG - Informational AD sponsored Independent Stream What are the views of the PALS WG on how we should move forward and why? - Stewart --------------020807010208050908090204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The authors of http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon/
have asked us to start a poll for WG adoption. However before we do this
I think that we as a WG need discuss the right way forward for this draft.

In looking at the history of the draft I discover that there has been almost
no technical discussion on the list.

If I look back at the minutes I find:

@ IETF 90

YJS: how much is deployed with the 2:n splitters?
Ed: Bright House would probably do it. The splitter would be in house as
it solves other issues.  PON is growing, but not a great deal deployed
in NA cable.
Yuanlong: used for small cell backhaul. Can protect a bunch of small
cells.
YJS: so far interest in, but not deployed.  2:N splitter needs to resynch.
Why do we need if phy not there.
Andy: please provide comments to the list.
Matthew: readers? 4, only one commenter on the list

and @ IETF 91

Edwin presented the slides
No comments.
The call for WG adoption will be carried to the email list.
The Chairs noted interest in the meetings and on the list.

In the last remark we may have been mistaken given that  all I
can find are eight emails up to this point excluding automatic notifications
and emails from the authors asking the chairs to take an action.

In looking at the draft, the only IANA actions are in the ICC RG
parameter registry which has Expert Review or FCFS codepoint
ranges, thus there is no need for a standards track RFC or indeed
any RFC from this point of view.

In looking at the subject matter itself, I wonder whether this
is a technology where it is expected there will be multi-vendor
deployment within a PON domain requiring multi-vendor
interworking of this feature.

The IESG have recently been pushing back on the publication of
drafts that have limited support, and thus we need to be in
a position to justify moving forward with this draft on whatever
stream we decide is best.

Given the above, I would like to understand the views of the
WG on which stream is most appropriate for this work:

PALS WG - Standards Track

PALS WG - Informational

AD sponsored

Independent Stream

What are the views of the PALS WG on how we should move forward
and why?

- Stewart
--------------020807010208050908090204-- From nobody Mon Mar 9 08:48:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4281A8ADD; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:48:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nqjbXKZmJ70v; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4461A8AEE; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150309154710.10926.78204.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 08:47:10 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp-03.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 15:48:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : STP Application of ICCP Authors : Mingui Zhang Huafeng Wen Jie Hu Filename : draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp-03.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2015-03-09 Abstract: Inter-Chassis Communication Protocol (ICCP) supports the inter- chassis redundancy mechanism which achieves high network availability. In this document, the PEs in a Redundant Group (RG) running ICCP are used to offer multi-homed connectivity to Spanning Tree Protocol (STP) networks. The ICCP TLVs for the STP application are defined, therefore PEs from the RG can make use of these TLVs to synchronize the state and configuration data of the STP network. The operation logic of the application and the usage of these ICCP TLVs are specified. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 9 08:49:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF901A8BBF; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ykI7EO_um9uN; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0E11A8BBD; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: , , , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150309154710.10926.22944.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 08:47:10 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp-03.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 15:48:51 -0000 A new version (-03) has been submitted for draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp-03.txt Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp/ Diff from previous version: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. IETF Secretariat. From nobody Mon Mar 9 08:49:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E6C4E1A8BC5; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF901A8BBF; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ykI7EO_um9uN; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0E11A8BBD; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: , , , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150309154710.10926.22944.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 08:47:10 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp-03.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 15:48:52 -0000 A new version (-03) has been submitted for draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp-03.txt Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp/ Diff from previous version: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. IETF Secretariat. From nobody Mon Mar 9 13:03:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493871AC438; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:03:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HgidTROa2gJf; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88431A9245; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 13:03:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150309200308.777.65575.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 13:03:08 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-mac-wd-00.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 20:03:10 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : MAC Address Withdrawal over Static Pseudowire Authors : Siva Sivabalan Sami Boutros Himanshu Shah Sam Aldrin Mannan Venkatesan Filename : draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-mac-wd-00.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2015-03-09 Abstract: This document specifies a mechanism to signal MAC address withdrawal notification using PW Associated Channel (ACH). Such notification is useful when statically provisioned PWs are deployed in VPLS/H-VPLS environment. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-mac-wd/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-mac-wd-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 9 15:48:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4DC1A884C; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 15:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ISGLS-yzg9v6; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 15:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547391A8947; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 15:48:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150309224813.7544.60989.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 15:48:13 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pwe3-rfc4447bis-03.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 22:48:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Pseudowire Setup and Maintenance using the Label Distribution Protocol Authors : Luca Martini Giles Heron Filename : draft-ietf-pwe3-rfc4447bis-03.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2015-03-09 Abstract: Layer 2 services (such as Frame Relay, Asynchronous Transfer Mode, and Ethernet) can be "emulated" over an MPLS backbone by encapsulating the Layer 2 Protocol Data Units (PDU) and then transmitting them over "pseudowires". It is also possible to use pseudowires to provide low-rate Time Division Multiplexed and Synchronous Optical NETworking circuit emulation over an MPLS-enabled network. This document specifies a protocol for establishing and maintaining the pseudowires, using extensions to the Label Distribution Protocol (LDP). Procedures for encapsulating Layer 2 PDUs are specified in a set of companion documents. This document has been written to address errata in a previous version of this standard. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-rfc4447bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pwe3-rfc4447bis-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pwe3-rfc4447bis-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 9 17:33:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEA61A908C; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 17:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p18neABqEbD3; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 17:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754F71A8782; Mon, 9 Mar 2015 17:32:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.0.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150310003259.5444.2411.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 17:32:59 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pals-rfc4447bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 00:33:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Pseudowire Setup and Maintenance using the Label Distribution Protocol Authors : Luca Martini Giles Heron Filename : draft-ietf-pals-rfc4447bis-00.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2015-03-09 Abstract: Layer 2 services (such as Frame Relay, Asynchronous Transfer Mode, and Ethernet) can be "emulated" over an MPLS backbone by encapsulating the Layer 2 Protocol Data Units (PDU) and then transmitting them over "pseudowires". It is also possible to use pseudowires to provide low-rate Time Division Multiplexed and Synchronous Optical NETworking circuit emulation over an MPLS-enabled network. This document specifies a protocol for establishing and maintaining the pseudowires, using extensions to the Label Distribution Protocol (LDP). Procedures for encapsulating Layer 2 PDUs are specified in a set of companion documents. This document has been written to address errata in a previous version of this standard. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-rfc4447bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-rfc4447bis-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Mar 10 00:36:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4321B2A0B for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 00:36:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nNnRLjszqTXE for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 00:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28BA41B29FD for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 00:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BTL75977; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 07:36:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.35) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 07:36:22 +0000 Received: from NKGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.106]) by nkgeml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:36:14 +0800 From: Mingui Zhang To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "hujie@ctbri.com.cn" , Wenhuafeng , "'Andrew G. Malis'" , "stbryant@cisco.com" Thread-Topic: [Pals] AD review of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp Thread-Index: AdBGAMA2d0PGMJxxRFWBx89bikyfhgQUbD4AACQBt6MBCDf18A== Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 07:36:13 +0000 Message-ID: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E76AB3A917@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <001801d04600$c3880500$4a980f00$@olddog.co.uk>, <01b301d05695$82020270$86060750$@olddog.co.uk> <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E76AB36767@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E76AB36767@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.102.74] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] AD review of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 07:36:34 -0000 Hi Adrian, We've incorporated the fixes to your comments and uploaded a new version fo= r further review. As you advised, we sent the updated version to Ignas Bagd= onas for his English language review.=20 Thanks, Mingui >-----Original Message----- >From: Mingui Zhang >Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 9:21 AM >To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; hujie@ctbri.com.cn; Wenhuafeng; 'Andrew G. Malis'= ; >stbryant@cisco.com >Cc: pals@ietf.org >Subject: RE: [Pals] AD review of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp > >Hi Adrian, > >Thanks for taking care of this. I am working on it and will send out the u= pdated >version for review in this week. > >Thanks, >Mingui > >________________________________________ >From: Adrian Farrel [adrian@olddog.co.uk] >Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 0:08 >To: hujie@ctbri.com.cn; Wenhuafeng; Mingui Zhang; 'Andrew G. Malis'; >stbryant@cisco.com >Cc: pals@ietf.org >Subject: RE: [Pals] AD review of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp > >Hi, > >Do we have a status report on this document? > >Thanks, >Adrian From nobody Tue Mar 10 06:47:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6191A88A4; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 06:47:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GYmEh3rBHT7p; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 06:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BED21A887C; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 06:47:39 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79876d000003ebd-75-54fea0f81137 Received: from EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.96]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id D1.A5.16061.8F0AEF45; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 08:44:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.96]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 09:47:38 -0400 From: David Sinicrope To: "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Thread-Index: AQHQWzjFcjJFtb8KXEq4Xgnwc5qqmA== Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:47:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF632C81F62@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.6.141106 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.9] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D1246D0716FEACdavidsinicropeericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrGIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPgu7PBf9CDBrPM1ucfn6KzeLxt0Ps Fmv+rWOy6Pu0hcXi3NM5jA6sHlN+b2T12DnrLrvHkiU/mQKYo7hsUlJzMstSi/TtErgyTrS1 shR8Sqh4e5ungfFTSBcjJ4eEgInEi7nfGSFsMYkL99azdTFycQgJHGGU+Pv7ApSznFGiu20B E0gVG1DHuo17WEBsEQFliV3npzCCFDELdDJKtGzZATZKWMBA4n3fYkaIIkOJtgtroBr0JJY9 eM8OYrMIqErcXdXLDGLzClhJnP61jhFi2wNGiZnb9oEVcQpYS1xa+B5sECPQfd9PrQG7gllA XOLWk/lMEHcLSCzZc54ZwhaVePn4HyuILQq0bHLHEXaIuKLEvv7p7BC98RL/9l9gh1gsKHFy 5hOWCYxis5CMnYWkbBaSMog40G/n5jND2NoSyxa+hrL1JTZ+OcsIYVtLrFi9nBVZzQJGjlWM HKXFqWW56UYGmxiBEXtMgk13B+Oel5aHGAU4GJV4eDe8/RsixJpYVlyZe4hRmoNFSZx30YOD IUIC6YklqdmpqQWpRfFFpTmpxYcYmTg4pRoYGXpzD+3rvp0n/fylUeOuXPXdR+8IiM5lSt3K k3/M+IKpxyuuMNGGhmBey7t9vDkCM0MU3wjffpz0UNXmsPD7stwyvzNWwXn1TKa2O//fsM5b 5DXd+d9tRZ/I/wGzjsXkPrh+9/j3XK0jwrKyL/e66qcJvD74fGdDrajH/rZXnVP3ii70V45S YinOSDTUYi4qTgQAIKXk8bkCAAA= Archived-At: Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , "IETF.PWE3" , Andrew Malis , Stewart Bryant Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:47:42 -0000 --_000_D1246D0716FEACdavidsinicropeericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/agenda/agenda-92-pals Above is the current PALS agenda for Dallas. If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, please= complete the form below and send it in reply to this email. If you haven=92t requested a slot and need one, please complete the form be= low and send it in reply to this email no later than 11 March 2015 12:00 Da= llas time. *** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete the a= genda quickly and accurately. Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later than M= onday 23 March 2015 12:00 Dallas time. If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot. Thanks! Dave From: David A Sinicrope > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 2:55 PM To: "pals@ietf.org" > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" >, Andrew Malis >, Stewa= rt Bryant >, "IETF.PWE3" > Subject: Re: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Second reminder. BTW, this will be the last IETF I send the slot request to L2VPN and PWE3. Thanks! Dave From: pwe3 [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Sinicrope Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:23 PM To: pals@ietf.org Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew Malis; IETF.PWE3; Stewart= Bryant Subject: [PWE3] PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Hi All, It=92s that time again=85 If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 92 PALS session, please reply = to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. (If there are still questions on where L2VPN drafts will be addressed (in P= ALS or BESS), please contact the WG Chairs.) Please use this form and please reply to this email. - topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking): - draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth= -oam-iwk/): - brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and re= solved via the presentation during the meeting (e.g., need to address secu= rity issues and get direction from the WG): - requested duration (norm is 10 min): - speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): Thanks! Dave --_000_D1246D0716FEACdavidsinicropeericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,

Above is the current PALS agenda for Dallas.
If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, p= lease complete the form below and send it in reply to this email.
If you haven=92t requested a slot and need one, please complete the fo= rm below and send it in reply to this email no later than 11 M= arch 2015 12:00 Dallas time.
*** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete = the agenda quickly and accurately.  

Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no late= r than Monday 23 March 2015 12:00 Dallas time.
If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot.=
Thanks!
Dave

From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com&g= t;
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 2= :55 PM
To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@i= etf.org>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2v= pn@ietf.org>, Andrew Malis <= agmalis@gmail.com>, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requ= ests - Dallas

Second reminder.
BTW, this will be the last IETF I send the slot request to L2VPN and P= WE3.
Thanks!
Dave

 

 

 

Hi All,

It= =92s that time again=85  

 =

If you = need a presentation slot for the IETF 92 PALS session, please reply= to this email (subject intact) completing the form below.  &= nbsp;

(If there are still questions on where L2VPN dr= afts will be addressed (in PALS or BESS), please contact the WG Chairs.)

 =

Please use this form and please reply to this email.  

 =

- topic (e.g.,&n= bsp;MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):

- brief statement of objectives and issues tha= t need to be discussed and resolved via the presentation during the meeting=  (e.g., need to address security issues and get direction from the WG):  <= o:p>

- requested duration (norm is 10 min):  <= /span>

- speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave S= INICROPE):  

 =

Thanks!

Dave

 --_000_D1246D0716FEACdavidsinicropeericssoncom_-- From nobody Tue Mar 10 19:17:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015131A885F for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:17:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wUt5sUtgTSbv for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3DD41A1B51 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 19:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BTM67122; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 02:17:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.71) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 02:17:15 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.156]) by SZXEMA412-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.71]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 10:17:04 +0800 From: Jiangyuanlong To: "stbryant@cisco.com" , "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon Thread-Index: AQHQWBoG837EcIfY0EuKSdKq/o0bxZ0Wiblg Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 02:17:04 +0000 Message-ID: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A89549E@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <54F9B9CF.1010207@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <54F9B9CF.1010207@cisco.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.76.118] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A89549Eszxema506mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Mar 2015 11:11:27 +0000 Received: from [10.55.98.185] (ams-stbryant-8818.cisco.com [10.55.98.185]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2BBBQj8009493; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:11:27 GMT Message-ID: <550022DE.7000706@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:11:26 +0000 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jiangyuanlong , "pals@ietf.org" References: <54F9B9CF.1010207@cisco.com> <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A89549E@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A89549E@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010009030400000405090400" Archived-At: Cc: "draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:11:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010009030400000405090400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yuanlong I think the critical point in the thread was the express need for mult-vendor deployments, something that we are all used to in classical networks. It would be useful to know how often multi-vendor PON is in practice deployed. Stewart On 11/03/2015 02:17, Jiangyuanlong wrote: > > Hi Stewart, > > The motive and situation is similar to ICCP, maybe the following > mailing list can provide some reasons from SP’s viewpoint when that > I-D was polled: > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg10339.html > > Actually, trunk protection (or Type B protection) for PON has been > deployed by service providers in quite a few countries. There are also > quite a few service providers interested in providing ICCP like > synchronization for PON, this can be confirmed by our coauthors on the > SP side. > > Best regards, > > Yuanlong > > *From:*Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 10:30 PM > *To:* pals@ietf.org > *Cc:* draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org > *Subject:* [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon > > > The authors of > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon/ > > have asked us to start a poll for WG adoption. However before we do this > I think that we as a WG need discuss the right way forward for this draft. > > In looking at the history of the draft I discover that there has been > almost > no technical discussion on the list. > > If I look back at the minutes I find: > > @ IETF 90 > > YJS: how much is deployed with the 2:n splitters? > Ed: Bright House would probably do it. The splitter would be in house as > it solves other issues. PON is growing, but not a great deal deployed > in NA cable. > Yuanlong: used for small cell backhaul. Can protect a bunch of small > cells. > YJS: so far interest in, but not deployed. 2:N splitter needs to resynch. > Why do we need if phy not there. > Andy: please provide comments to the list. > Matthew: readers? 4, only one commenter on the list > > and @ IETF 91 > > Edwin presented the slides > No comments. > The call for WG adoption will be carried to the email list. > The Chairs noted interest in the meetings and on the list. > > In the last remark we may have been mistaken given that all I > can find are eight emails up to this point excluding automatic > notifications > and emails from the authors asking the chairs to take an action. > > In looking at the draft, the only IANA actions are in the ICC RG > parameter registry which has Expert Review or FCFS codepoint > ranges, thus there is no need for a standards track RFC or indeed > any RFC from this point of view. > > In looking at the subject matter itself, I wonder whether this > is a technology where it is expected there will be multi-vendor > deployment within a PON domain requiring multi-vendor > interworking of this feature. > > The IESG have recently been pushing back on the publication of > drafts that have limited support, and thus we need to be in > a position to justify moving forward with this draft on whatever > stream we decide is best. > > Given the above, I would like to understand the views of the > WG on which stream is most appropriate for this work: > > PALS WG - Standards Track > > PALS WG - Informational > > AD sponsored > > Independent Stream > > What are the views of the PALS WG on how we should move forward > and why? > > - Stewart > -- For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html --------------010009030400000405090400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yuanlong

I think the critical point in the thread was the express need for mult-vendor deployments, something that we are all used to in classical networks.

It would be useful to know how often multi-vendor PON is in practice deployed.

Stewart

On 11/03/2015 02:17, Jiangyuanlong wrote:

Hi Stewart,

 

The motive and situation is similar to ICCP, maybe the following mailing list can provide some reasons from SP’s viewpoint when that I-D was polled:

https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg10339.html

 

Actually, trunk protection (or Type B protection) for PON has been deployed by service providers in quite a few countries. There are also quite a few service providers interested in providing ICCP like synchronization for PON, this can be confirmed by our coauthors on the SP side.

 

Best regards,

Yuanlong

 

 

From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:30 PM
To: pals@ietf.org
Cc: draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon

 


The authors of http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon/
have asked us to start a poll for WG adoption. However before we do this
I think that we as a WG need discuss the right way forward for this draft.

In looking at the history of the draft I discover that there has been almost
no technical discussion on the list.

If I look back at the minutes I find:

@ IETF 90

YJS: how much is deployed with the 2:n splitters?
Ed: Bright House would probably do it. The splitter would be in house as
it solves other issues.  PON is growing, but not a great deal deployed
in NA cable.
Yuanlong: used for small cell backhaul. Can protect a bunch of small
cells.
YJS: so far interest in, but not deployed.  2:N splitter needs to resynch.
Why do we need if phy not there.
Andy: please provide comments to the list.
Matthew: readers? 4, only one commenter on the list

and @ IETF 91

Edwin presented the slides
No comments.
The call for WG adoption will be carried to the email list.
The Chairs noted interest in the meetings and on the list.

In the last remark we may have been mistaken given that  all I
can find are eight emails up to this point excluding automatic notifications
and emails from the authors asking the chairs to take an action.

In looking at the draft, the only IANA actions are in the ICC RG
parameter registry which has Expert Review or FCFS codepoint
ranges, thus there is no need for a standards track RFC or indeed
any RFC from this point of view.

In looking at the subject matter itself, I wonder whether this
is a technology where it is expected there will be multi-vendor
deployment within a PON domain requiring multi-vendor
interworking of this feature.

The IESG have recently been pushing back on the publication of
drafts that have limited support, and thus we need to be in
a position to justify moving forward with this draft on whatever
stream we decide is best.

Given the above, I would like to understand the views of the
WG on which stream is most appropriate for this work:

PALS WG - Standards Track

PALS WG - Informational

AD sponsored

Independent Stream

What are the views of the PALS WG on how we should move forward
and why?

- Stewart



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[97.76.236.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 80sm2577611qhb.26.2015.03.11.06.54.27 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Mar 2015 06:54:32 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.8.150116 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:54:24 -0400 From: Edwin Mallette To: "Hongyu Li (Julio)" , "stbryant@cisco.com" , "pals@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon References: <54F9B9CF.1010207@cisco.com> <6EB34CB5D82C4645B826C56144826EA97EB13B8F@SZXEMA509-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <6EB34CB5D82C4645B826C56144826EA97EB13B8F@SZXEMA509-MBX.china.huawei.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3508912475_17117244" Archived-At: Cc: "draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:54:38 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3508912475_17117244 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit To add my two cents, IEEE 1904.1 addressed specific layer2 messaging to enable PON protection for EPON access networks for both tree protection and trunk protection. I agree with Hongyu that trunk protection (Type B) is the most typical protection method in PON deployment. Similar to the ITU-T, IEEE1904.1 left a hole for trunk protection as the inter-system sync method was not defined and was determined to be out of scope of the project. This was left to other SDOs/future projects to address. And to respond to Stewarts question about multiple vendors in the PON space, we (as an network operator) currently have three different vendors EPON OLTs deployed and in production. One goal of IEEE1904.1 was to enable interoperability and we have had quite a bit of success there. Regards. Ed From: "Hongyu Li (Julio)" Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM To: "stbryant@cisco.com" , "pals@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon With my knowledge in PON and Access Network, Type-B protection is the most typical protection method in PON deployment and is the most cost-effective one. As PON technology is providing bandwidth up to 10 Gbps, it can be applied to more scenarios than ever. ITU-T has left a big hole for type-B to be deployed at large without defining the method of sync between two OLT devices. Obviously, IETF is in a much better position to fill the gap by enhancing ICCP. Fully support this draft moving forward. Hongyu From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:30 PM To: pals@ietf.org Cc: draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon The authors of http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon/ have asked us to start a poll for WG adoption. However before we do this I think that we as a WG need discuss the right way forward for this draft. In looking at the history of the draft I discover that there has been almost no technical discussion on the list. If I look back at the minutes I find: @ IETF 90 YJS: how much is deployed with the 2:n splitters? Ed: Bright House would probably do it. The splitter would be in house as it solves other issues. PON is growing, but not a great deal deployed in NA cable. Yuanlong: used for small cell backhaul. Can protect a bunch of small cells. YJS: so far interest in, but not deployed. 2:N splitter needs to resynch. Why do we need if phy not there. Andy: please provide comments to the list. Matthew: readers? 4, only one commenter on the list and @ IETF 91 Edwin presented the slides No comments. The call for WG adoption will be carried to the email list. The Chairs noted interest in the meetings and on the list. In the last remark we may have been mistaken given that all I can find are eight emails up to this point excluding automatic notifications and emails from the authors asking the chairs to take an action. In looking at the draft, the only IANA actions are in the ICC RG parameter registry which has Expert Review or FCFS codepoint ranges, thus there is no need for a standards track RFC or indeed any RFC from this point of view. In looking at the subject matter itself, I wonder whether this is a technology where it is expected there will be multi-vendor deployment within a PON domain requiring multi-vendor interworking of this feature. The IESG have recently been pushing back on the publication of drafts that have limited support, and thus we need to be in a position to justify moving forward with this draft on whatever stream we decide is best. Given the above, I would like to understand the views of the WG on which stream is most appropriate for this work: PALS WG - Standards Track PALS WG - Informational AD sponsored Independent Stream What are the views of the PALS WG on how we should move forward and why? - Stewart _______________________________________________ Pals mailing list Pals@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals --B_3508912475_17117244 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
To add my two cents, IEEE 190= 4.1 addressed specific layer2 messaging to enable PON protection for EPON ac= cess networks for both tree protection and trunk protection.  I agree w= ith Hongyu that trunk protection (Type B) is the most typical protection met= hod in PON deployment.  Similar to the ITU-T, IEEE1904.1 left a hole fo= r trunk protection as the inter-system sync method was not defined and was d= etermined to be out of scope of the project.  This was left to other SD= Os/future projects to address.

And to respond to St= ewarts question about multiple vendors in the PON space, we (as an network o= perator) currently have three different vendors EPON OLTs deployed and in pr= oduction.  One goal of IEEE1904.1 was to enable interoperability and we= have had quite a bit of success there.

Regards.

Ed

Fr= om: "Hongyu Li (Julio)" <ho= ngyu.li@huawei.com>
Date: W= ednesday, March 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM
To: "stbryant@cisco.com" <stbryant@cisco.com>, "pals@ietf.org" <pals@ie= tf.org>
Cc: "draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf= .org" <draft-= jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org>
S= ubject: Re: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon

With my knowledge in PON and Access Network, Type-B protection is the m= ost typical protection method in PON deployment and is the most cost-effecti= ve one. As PON technology is providing bandwidth up to 10 Gbps, it can be applied to = more scenarios than ever. ITU-T has left a big hole for type-B to be deploye= d at large without defining the method of sync between two OLT devices. Obvi= ously, IETF is in a much better position to fill the gap by enhancing ICCP.

 

= Fully support this draft moving forward.

 <= /span>

Hongyu

 

From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 1= 0:30 PM
To: pals@ietf.org
Cc: draft-jiang= -pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [Pals] What should we do = with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon

 


The authors of http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon/
have asked us to start a poll for WG adoption. However before we do this I think that we as a WG need discuss the right way forward for this draft.<= br>
In looking at the history of the draft I discover that there has been almos= t
no technical discussion on the list.

If I look back at the minutes I find:

@ IETF 90

YJS: how much is deployed with the 2:n splitters?
Ed: Bright House would probably do it. The splitter would be in house as it solves other issues.  PON is growing, but not a great deal deployed=
in NA cable.
Yuanlong: used for small cell backhaul. Can protect a bunch of small
cells.
YJS: so far interest in, but not deployed.  2:N splitter needs to resy= nch.
Why do we need if phy not there.
Andy: please provide comments to the list.
Matthew: readers? 4, only one commenter on the list

and @ IETF 91

Edwin presented the slides
No comments.
The call for WG adoption will be carried to the email list.
The Chairs noted interest in the meetings and on the list.

In the last remark we may have been mistaken given that  all I
can find are eight emails up to this point excluding automatic notification= s
and emails from the authors asking the chairs to take an action.

In looking at the draft, the only IANA actions are in the ICC RG
parameter registry which has Expert Review or FCFS codepoint
ranges, thus there is no need for a standards track RFC or indeed
any RFC from this point of view.

In looking at the subject matter itself, I wonder whether this
is a technology where it is expected there will be multi-vendor
deployment within a PON domain requiring multi-vendor
interworking of this feature.

The IESG have recently been pushing back on the publication of
drafts that have limited support, and thus we need to be in
a position to justify moving forward with this draft on whatever
stream we decide is best.

Given the above, I would like to understand the views of the
WG on which stream is most appropriate for this work:

PALS WG - Standards Track

PALS WG - Informational

AD sponsored

Independent Stream

What are the views of the PALS WG on how we should move forward
and why?

- Stewart

_______________________________________________ Pals mailing list Pals@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/m= ailman/listinfo/pals --B_3508912475_17117244-- From nobody Wed Mar 11 09:52:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C571A1AB8; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:52:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DBRZBu4nWgTt; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 687101A0235; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:52:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=9774; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1426092764; x=1427302364; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=pZr2Os3Uh3cyUyN7rTF1QqLN1rZmFACrxGsQDhyVsKo=; b=WiKMI8bJU2cPoyD0gxT5esOngi7gsuuoLLOsXWPynJdOTJYTvLeknL/q f2kyQ8yQ3mdJPrD3gU8m5HEvUIAShBQrG/Lik0PymYgYl6nIC6GAu5w2C XdXRSQ0ZxfW1g86LV7uVDUeW+ZgMVdRwXjHV9HxysnHljoPblktHgyIjF o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AfDADOcQBV/4kNJK1cgwZSWgSDB7pWg0iCOYVuAhyBHE0BAQEBAQF8hBEBBCNWEgEqIAIEMCYBBAENDQEFiCABDa0vmyUBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXixeEPTEQgl8vgRYFkBuBZoIChw85gm+PNSODbm8BgUN/AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,382,1422921600"; d="scan'208";a="131053761" Received: from alln-core-4.cisco.com ([173.36.13.137]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Mar 2015 16:52:43 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com [173.37.183.78]) by alln-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2BGqhS0019250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:52:43 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x15.cisco.com ([169.254.5.64]) by xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com ([173.37.183.78]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:52:43 -0500 From: "Vengada Prasad Govindan (venggovi)" To: "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Requesting comments on SBFD-VCCV drafts Thread-Index: AdBcG8bbDt4lFsaSQwiuvYh/1U3PNA== Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:52:42 +0000 Message-ID: <315041E4211CB84E86EF7C25A2AB583D54337F7C@xmb-rcd-x15.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [171.70.240.57] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_003_315041E4211CB84E86EF7C25A2AB583D54337F7Cxmbrcdx15ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Jeffrey Haas \(jhaas@pfrc.org\)" , "Carlos Pignataro \(cpignata\)" , "agmalis@gmail.com" , "nobo.akiya.dev@gmail.com" , "Stewart Bryant \(stbryant\)" Subject: [Pals] Requesting comments on SBFD-VCCV drafts X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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= hi, everyone,
    =  in my opinion, for some large operators, if they deploy PON protecti= on to provide good access network availability for business customers, MBH= , and some special application such as surveilunce, the ICCP will be very = benifitting. for China Telecom, We have depl= oyed a great number of PON equipments, in some scenarios, we use trunk pro= tection for business application. besides, we are trialing the MBH over PO= N as well as promoting the Broadband project SD-331 "Architecture and Tech= nical Requirements for PON-Based Mobile Backhaul Networks", so an interope= rable solution is attractive to us.
    &nbs= p;the idea to push interoperability on it should be supposed as prefered. = of course, other operators' point of view should be welcomed and discuss i= t further.
     Best Regards!
    &nb= sp;                     =                     &nbs= p;              Shen Chengbin from Chin= a Telecom
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Champion(Chengbin= ) Shen Director
Ph.D, Senior Engineer (Professor Grade)
Dept. of Infrastructure Networks<= /span>
Shanghai Research Instit= ute of China Telecom Corp. Ltd.
Add: 1835 South Pudong Road, Shanghai, 200122, China
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Date: 2015-03-11 = 19:11
To: Jiangyuanlong; pals@ietf.org
Subje= ct: Re: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon
=0A =0A = =0A =0A =0A
Yuanlong
=0A
=0A = I think the critical point in the thread was the express need=0A = for mult-vendor deployments, something that we are all used to=0A= in classical networks.
=0A
=0A It would= be useful to know how often multi-vendor PON is in=0A practice d= eployed.
=0A
=0A Stewart
=0A
=0A On 11/03/2015 02:17, Jiangyuanlong wrote:
=0A =0A
= =0A =0A =0A =0A <= div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1;">=0A

Hi Stewart,

=0A

 

=0A

The motive and s= ituation is similar to ICCP,=0A maybe the following mailing lis= t can provide some reasons=0A from SP=E2=80=99s viewpoint when = that I-D was polled:

=0A

https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pwe3/current/msg10339.html

=0A

 =0A

Actually, trunk protection (or Type B=0A = protection) for PON has been deployed by service providers=0A = in quite a few countries. There are also quite a few service=0A = providers interested in providing ICCP like synchronization=0A = for PON, this can be confirmed by our coauthors on the SP=0A = side.

=0A

&nb= sp;

=0A

Best regards,<= /span>

=0A
=0A

Yuanlong

=0A

&nb= sp;

=0A
=0A

&nb= sp;

=0A
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= =0A

From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On=0A Behalf= Of Stewart Bryant
=0A Sent: Friday, March 06= , 2015 10:30 PM
=0A To: pals@ietf.org
=0A Cc: draft-j= iang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org
=0A Subject: = [Pals] What should we do with=0A draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon

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 <= /o:p>

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=0A The authors of = =0A http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon/<= /a>
=0A have asked us to start a poll for WG adoption. Howev= er=0A before we do this
=0A I think that we as a = WG need discuss the right way forward=0A for this draft.
=0A=
=0A In looking at the history of the draft I di= scover that there=0A has been almost
=0A no tech= nical discussion on the list.
=0A
=0A If I lo= ok back at the minutes I find:
=0A
=0A @ IETF= 90
=0A
=0A YJS: how much is deployed with th= e 2:n splitters?
=0A Ed: Bright House would probably do it. = The splitter would be=0A in house as
=0A it solve= s other issues.  PON is growing, but not a great=0A deal d= eployed
=0A in NA cable.
=0A Yuanlong: used fo= r small cell backhaul. Can protect a bunch=0A of small
=0A = cells.
=0A YJS: so far interest in, but not deploy= ed.  2:N splitter=0A needs to resynch.
=0A W= hy do we need if phy not there.
=0A Andy: please provide com= ments to the list.
=0A Matthew: readers? 4, only one comment= er on the list
=0A
=0A and @ IETF 91
=0A =
=0A Edwin presented the slides
=0A = No comments.
=0A The call for WG adoption will be carried to= the email list.
=0A The Chairs noted interest in the meetin= gs and on the list.
=0A
=0A In the last remar= k we may have been mistaken given that  all=0A I
=0A = can find are eight emails up to this point excluding=0A = automatic notifications
=0A and emails from the authors as= king the chairs to take an=0A action.
=0A
=0A= In looking at the draft, the only IANA actions are in the=0A = ICC RG
=0A parameter registry which has Expert Re= view or FCFS codepoint
=0A ranges, thus there is no need for= a standards track RFC or=0A indeed
=0A any RFC f= rom this point of view.
=0A
=0A In looking at= the subject matter itself, I wonder whether=0A this
=0A = is a technology where it is expected there will be=0A m= ulti-vendor
=0A deployment within a PON domain requiring mul= ti-vendor
=0A interworking of this feature.
=0A =
=0A The IESG have recently been pushing back on the publi= cation=0A of
=0A drafts that have limited support= , and thus we need to be in
=0A a position to justify moving= forward with this draft on=0A whatever
=0A strea= m we decide is best.
=0A
=0A Given the above,= I would like to understand the views of the=0A
=0A = WG on which stream is most appropriate for this work:
=0A =
=0A PALS WG - Standards Track
=0A
=0A = PALS WG - Informational
=0A
=0A AD = sponsored
=0A
=0A Independent Stream
=0A =
=0A What are the views of the PALS WG on how we s= hould move=0A forward
=0A and why?
=0A =
=0A - Stewart

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Hi Stewart,
 

We have purchased and constructed = ;ONUs and OLTs separately from multiple vend= ors. IT is necessary to consider Type-B = ;PON protection and enable their interoperability= .=20

 

Thanks,

Guangtao  Zhou

Senior Engineer

Network Technology Research Institute of China Unicom=20
 
Date: 2015-03-16 10:40
CC: draft-jiang-pwe3-mc= -pon@tools.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pals] What should we do with=20 draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon
Hi Stewart,
 
If there are practical scenarios for mu= ltivendor-PON protection, it would be beneficial&= nbsp;to progress it as a new application&nbs= p;of ICCP. 
Since the code-points to be assigned ar= e in the ranges of Expert Review or&nbs= p;FCFS in the ICC RG parameter registry,&nbs= p;I think it indicates the PALS WG -&nb= sp;informational stream is appropriate.
 
Thanks,
Mingui
 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
>Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:30 = PM
>To: pals@ietf.org
>Cc: draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org
>Subject: [Pals] What should we do w= ith draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon
>
>
>The authors of http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra= ft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon/
>have asked us to start a poll = for WG adoption. However before we do t= his
>I think that we as a WG need&n= bsp;discuss the right way forward for this&n= bsp;draft.
>
>In looking at the history of the&nb= sp;draft I discover that there has been = ;almost
>no technical discussion on the list.
>
>If I look back at the minutes = I find:
>
>@ IETF 90
>
>YJS: how much is deployed with the&= nbsp;2:n splitters?
>Ed: Bright House would probably do = it. The splitter would be in house as
>it solves other issues.  PON is&nbs= p;growing, but not a great deal deployed
>in NA cable.
>Yuanlong: used for small cell backhaul.&= nbsp;Can protect a bunch of small
>cells.
>YJS: so far interest in, but not&nb= sp;deployed.  2:N splitter needs to resynch.=
>Why do we need if phy not ther= e.
>Andy: please provide comments to the&nbs= p;list.
>Matthew: readers? 4, only one commenter&= nbsp;on the list
>
>and @ IETF 91
>
>Edwin presented the slides
>No comments.
>The call for WG adoption will be&nb= sp;carried to the email list.
>The Chairs noted interest in the me= etings and on the list.
>
>In the last remark we may have = ;been mistaken given that  all I
>can find are eight emails up to&nbs= p;this point excluding automatic notifications
>and emails from the authors asking = the chairs to take an action.
>
>In looking at the draft, the only&n= bsp;IANA actions are in the ICC RG
>parameter registry which has Expert Revi= ew or FCFS codepoint
>ranges, thus there is no need for&n= bsp;a standards track RFC or indeed
>any RFC from this point of view.
>
>In looking at the subject matter it= self, I wonder whether this
>is a technology where it is expecte= d there will be multi-vendor
>deployment within a PON domain requiring=  multi-vendor
>interworking of this feature.
>
>The IESG have recently been pushing = ;back on the publication of
>drafts that have limited support, and&nb= sp;thus we need to be in
>a position to justify moving forward&nbs= p;with this draft on whatever
>stream we decide is best.
>
>Given the above, I would like to&nb= sp;understand the views of the
>WG on which stream is most appropri= ate for this work:
>
>PALS WG - Standards Track
>
>PALS WG - Informational
>
>AD sponsored
>
>Independent Stream
>
>What are the views of the PALS = ;WG on how we should move forward
>and why?
>
>- Stewart
 
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Agree

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Regards.

 <= /p>

Jack PU=

 = ;

From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] Edwin Mallette
Date:  Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 21:54
To:  Hongyu Li (Julio); stbryant@cisco.com; pals@ietf.org
Cc: draft-jiang-pwe3-= mc-pon@tools.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon=

 

To add my two cents, IEEE= 1904.1 addressed specific layer2 messaging to enable PON protection for EP= ON access networks for both tree protection and trunk protection.  I agree with Hongyu that trunk protection (Type B) is the most typic= al protection method in PON deployment.  Similar to the ITU-T, IEEE190= 4.1 left a hole for trunk protection as the inter-system sync method was no= t defined and was determined to be out of scope of the project.  This was left to other SDOs/future projects to= address.

 <= /p>

And to respond to Stewart= s question about multiple vendors in the PON space, we (as an network opera= tor) currently have three different vendors EPON OLTs deployed and in production.  One goal of IEEE1904.1 was to enable interoperabi= lity and we have had quite a bit of success there.

 <= /p>

Regards.

 <= /p>

Ed

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

With my kn= owledge in PON and Access Network, Type-B protection is the most typical pr= otection method in PON deployment and is the most cost-effective one. As PON technology is providing bandwidth up to 10 Gbps, it can be app= lied to more scenarios than ever. ITU-T has left a big hole for type-B to b= e deployed at large without defining the method of sync between two OLT dev= ices. Obviously, IETF is in a much better position to fill the gap by enhancing ICCP.

 

Fully supp= ort this draft moving forward.

 

Hongyu

 

From= : Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:30 PM
To: pals@ietf.org
Cc: draft-= jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon

 


The authors of http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon/
have asked us to start a poll for WG adoption. However before we do this I think that we as a WG need discuss the right way forward for this draft.<= br>
In looking at the history of the draft I discover that there has been almos= t
no technical discussion on the list.

If I look back at the minutes I find:

@ IETF 90

YJS: how much is deployed with the 2:n splitters?
Ed: Bright House would probably do it. The splitter would be in house as it solves other issues.  PON is growing, but not a great deal deployed=
in NA cable.
Yuanlong: used for small cell backhaul. Can protect a bunch of small
cells.
YJS: so far interest in, but not deployed.  2:N splitter needs to resy= nch.
Why do we need if phy not there.
Andy: please provide comments to the list.
Matthew: readers? 4, only one commenter on the list

and @ IETF 91

Edwin presented the slides
No comments.
The call for WG adoption will be carried to the email list.
The Chairs noted interest in the meetings and on the list.

In the last remark we may have been mistaken given that  all I
can find are eight emails up to this point excluding automatic notification= s
and emails from the authors asking the chairs to take an action.

In looking at the draft, the only IANA actions are in the ICC RG
parameter registry which has Expert Review or FCFS codepoint
ranges, thus there is no need for a standards track RFC or indeed
any RFC from this point of view.

In looking at the subject matter itself, I wonder whether this
is a technology where it is expected there will be multi-vendor
deployment within a PON domain requiring multi-vendor
interworking of this feature.

The IESG have recently been pushing back on the publication of
drafts that have limited support, and thus we need to be in
a position to justify moving forward with this draft on whatever
stream we decide is best.

Given the above, I would like to understand the views of the
WG on which stream is most appropriate for this work:

PALS WG - Standards Track

PALS WG - Informational

AD sponsored

Independent Stream

What are the views of the PALS WG on how we should move forward
and why?

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multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01D060C3.57AF9B80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AQHQWBob+5ObW5WWF0eB2ajwTLXExZ0gSQDQgAAHLZA= Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Cc: draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 07:02:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01D060C3.57AF9B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agree, the draft is useful. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dongjie (Jimmy) Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:55 PM To: stbryant@cisco.com; pals@ietf.org Cc: draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon =20 Hi Stewart,=20 =20 An interoperable approach for PON protection may be helpful for the PON = deployment in various network scenarios. The codepoints allocated by = IANA may refer this document for background information. =20 Best regards, Jie =20 From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:30 PM To: pals@ietf.org Cc: draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Pals] What should we do with draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon =20 The authors of http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon/ have asked us to start a poll for WG adoption. However before we do this I think that we as a WG need discuss the right way forward for this = draft. In looking at the history of the draft I discover that there has been = almost=20 no technical discussion on the list. If I look back at the minutes I find: @ IETF 90 YJS: how much is deployed with the 2:n splitters? Ed: Bright House would probably do it. The splitter would be in house as it solves other issues. PON is growing, but not a great deal deployed in NA cable. Yuanlong: used for small cell backhaul. Can protect a bunch of small cells. YJS: so far interest in, but not deployed. 2:N splitter needs to = resynch. Why do we need if phy not there. Andy: please provide comments to the list. Matthew: readers? 4, only one commenter on the list and @ IETF 91 Edwin presented the slides No comments. The call for WG adoption will be carried to the email list. The Chairs noted interest in the meetings and on the list. In the last remark we may have been mistaken given that all I can find are eight emails up to this point excluding automatic = notifications and emails from the authors asking the chairs to take an action. In looking at the draft, the only IANA actions are in the ICC RG=20 parameter registry which has Expert Review or FCFS codepoint ranges, thus there is no need for a standards track RFC or indeed any RFC from this point of view. In looking at the subject matter itself, I wonder whether this is a technology where it is expected there will be multi-vendor deployment within a PON domain requiring multi-vendor interworking of this feature. The IESG have recently been pushing back on the publication of drafts that have limited support, and thus we need to be in a position to justify moving forward with this draft on whatever stream we decide is best. Given the above, I would like to understand the views of the=20 WG on which stream is most appropriate for this work: PALS WG - Standards Track PALS WG - Informational AD sponsored Independent Stream What are the views of the PALS WG on how we should move forward and why? - Stewart ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01D060C3.57AF9B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Agree, the draft is useful.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

 

From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dongjie = (Jimmy)
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:55 PM
To: = stbryant@cisco.com; pals@ietf.org
Cc: = draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pals] = What should we do with = draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon

 

Hi Stewart,

 

An interoperable approach for PON protection may be helpful for the = PON deployment in various network scenarios. The codepoints allocated by = IANA may refer this document for background = information.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart = Bryant
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:30 PM
To: = pals@ietf.org
Cc: = draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [Pals] What = should we do with = draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon

 


The authors of http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon= /
have asked us to start a poll for WG adoption. However before = we do this
I think that we as a WG need discuss the right way forward = for this draft.

In looking at the history of the draft I discover = that there has been almost
no technical discussion on the = list.

If I look back at the minutes I find:

@ IETF = 90

YJS: how much is deployed with the 2:n splitters?
Ed: = Bright House would probably do it. The splitter would be in house = as
it solves other issues.  PON is growing, but not a great deal = deployed
in NA cable.
Yuanlong: used for small cell backhaul. Can = protect a bunch of small
cells.
YJS: so far interest in, but not = deployed.  2:N splitter needs to resynch.
Why do we need if phy = not there.
Andy: please provide comments to the list.
Matthew: = readers? 4, only one commenter on the list

and @ IETF = 91

Edwin presented the slides
No comments.
The call for WG = adoption will be carried to the email list.
The Chairs noted interest = in the meetings and on the list.

In the last remark we may have = been mistaken given that  all I
can find are eight emails up to = this point excluding automatic notifications
and emails from the = authors asking the chairs to take an action.

In looking at the = draft, the only IANA actions are in the ICC RG
parameter registry = which has Expert Review or FCFS codepoint
ranges, thus there is no = need for a standards track RFC or indeed
any RFC from this point of = view.

In looking at the subject matter itself, I wonder whether = this
is a technology where it is expected there will be = multi-vendor
deployment within a PON domain requiring = multi-vendor
interworking of this feature.

The IESG have = recently been pushing back on the publication of
drafts that have = limited support, and thus we need to be in
a position to justify = moving forward with this draft on whatever
stream we decide is = best.

Given the above, I would like to understand the views of = the
WG on which stream is most appropriate for this = work:

PALS WG - Standards Track

PALS WG - = Informational

AD sponsored

Independent Stream

What = are the views of the PALS WG on how we should move forward
and = why?

- Stewart

------=_NextPart_000_0070_01D060C3.57AF9B80-- From nobody Tue Mar 17 11:41:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E695D1A1BC0; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:41:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eezqbh8LrZzy; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 653331A1B2A; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:41:23 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79686d0000030a8-58-55081ff14ca3 Received: from EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.81]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 73.F2.12456.1FF18055; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:37:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 14:41:21 -0400 From: David Sinicrope To: "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Thread-Index: AQHQYOH2cjJFtb8KXEq4Xgnwc5qqmA== Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:41:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF632C81F62@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.6.141106 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.10] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D12DECA817070Edavidsinicropeericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrOIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPoO5HeY5Qg+0z5SxOPz/FZvH42yF2 izX/1jFZ9H3awmJx7ukcRgdWjym/N7J67Jx1l91jyZKfTAHMUVw2Kak5mWWpRfp2CVwZV6Zs YCroK6tYNWUDWwPj0vQuRk4OCQETiZXvupghbDGJC/fWs3UxcnEICRxhlDi2Zz0LhLOcUeL0 vjusIFVsQB3rNu5hAbFFBJQldp2fwghSxCzQySjRsmUHI0hCWMBA4n3fYkaIIkOJtgtroBr0 JN6dWAe2jkVAVaJ1+XSwOK+AlcSW1hPMENsmMkm8XT8ZrIhTwFpi9Z8vYJsZge77fmoNE4jN LCAucevJfCaIuwUkluw5D/WDqMTLx//A6kWBlk3uOMIOEVeSmLT0HCtEb7zEq0+tbBCLBSVO znzCMoFRbBaSsbOQlM1CUgYRB/rt3HxmCFtbYtnC11C2vsTGL2cZIWxricPXXrMgq1nAyLGK kaO0OLUsN93IYBMjMGaPSbDp7mDc89LyEKMAB6MSD6+BBnuoEGtiWXFl7iFGaQ4WJXHeRQ8O hggJpCeWpGanphakFsUXleakFh9iZOLglGpg1Kha120bVPZogdOijgO7BLZ5LlbxT5diT/UJ uZwn0uo0tcbiySaf3XdW2RQX/OxdtVOa+dPVi+94z05VNH39nMny6pflTle3pKo+Ejfaq76/ pr17+TcZPiGjveIMsyascJzDO3HR7fe5vZr8uTUevyN+iegc5mD2ehFWuPHQwXM/Wm46Oez+ qsRSnJFoqMVcVJwIAJVAxc26AgAA Archived-At: Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , "IETF.PWE3" , Andrew Malis , Stewart Bryant Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:41:26 -0000 --_000_D12DECA817070Edavidsinicropeericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, The final version of the agenda is posted at the link below. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/agenda/agenda-92-pals If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, please= complete the form below and send it in reply to this email. Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides as soon as you = complete them. I will need your slides no later than Monday 23 March 2015 12:00 Dallas tim= e. If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot. Thanks! Dave From: David A Sinicrope > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 9:47 AM To: "pals@ietf.org" > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" >, Andrew Malis >, Stewa= rt Bryant >, "IETF.PWE3" > Subject: Re: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Hi All, Above is the current PALS agenda for Dallas. If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, please= complete the form below and send it in reply to this email. If you haven=92t requested a slot and need one, please complete the form be= low and send it in reply to this email no later than 11 March 2015 12:00 Da= llas time. *** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete the a= genda quickly and accurately. Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later than M= onday 23 March 2015 12:00 Dallas time. If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot. Thanks! Dave From: David A Sinicrope > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 2:55 PM To: "pals@ietf.org" > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" >, Andrew Malis >, Stewa= rt Bryant >, "IETF.PWE3" > Subject: Re: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Second reminder. BTW, this will be the last IETF I send the slot request to L2VPN and PWE3. Thanks! Dave From: pwe3 [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Sinicrope Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:23 PM To: pals@ietf.org Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew Malis; IETF.PWE3; Stewart= Bryant Subject: [PWE3] PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Hi All, It=92s that time again=85 If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 92 PALS session, please reply = to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. (If there are still questions on where L2VPN drafts will be addressed (in P= ALS or BESS), please contact the WG Chairs.) Please use this form and please reply to this email. - topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking): - draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth= -oam-iwk/): - brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and re= solved via the presentation during the meeting (e.g., need to address secu= rity issues and get direction from the WG): - requested duration (norm is 10 min): - speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): Thanks! Dave --_000_D12DECA817070Edavidsinicropeericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <9ADFE770AD96814BA8A73BB21569B2C7@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
The final version of the agenda is posted at the link below.

If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, p= lease complete the form below and send it in reply to this email.

Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides as soon as= you complete them.
I will need your slides no later than Monday 23 March 2015 12:00 Da= llas time.

If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot.=
Thanks!
Dave

From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com&g= t;
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 9:= 47 AM
To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@i= etf.org>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2v= pn@ietf.org>, Andrew Malis <= agmalis@gmail.com>, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requ= ests - Dallas

Hi All,


Above is the current PALS agenda for Dallas.
If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, p= lease complete the form below and send it in reply to this email.
If you haven=92t requested a slot and need one, please complete the fo= rm below and send it in reply to this email no later than 11 M= arch 2015 12:00 Dallas time.
*** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete = the agenda quickly and accurately.  

Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no late= r than Monday 23 March 2015 12:00 Dallas time.
If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot.=
Thanks!
Dave

Second reminder.
BTW, this will be the last IETF I send the slot request to L2VPN and P= WE3.
Thanks!
Dave

 

 

 

Hi All,

It=92s that time aga= in=85  

 

If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 92 PALS session, ple= ase reply to this email (subject intact) completing the fo= rm below.   =

(If there are still questions = on where L2VPN drafts will be addressed (in PALS or BESS), please contact t= he WG Chairs.)

 

Please use this form and please reply to = this email.  

 

- topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):

- brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discus= sed and resolved via the presentation during the meeting  (e.g., need = to address security issues and get direction from the WG):  <= /font>

- requested duration (norm is 10 min):  

- speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE):  

 

Thanks!

Dave

 --_000_D12DECA817070Edavidsinicropeericssoncom_-- From nobody Thu Mar 19 11:16:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154371A88D1 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 11:16:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PhUvONyKkT-i for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 11:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B764B1A8AD9 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 11:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2JIGQt5021330; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 18:16:26 GMT Received: from 950129200 (089144194033.atnat0003.highway.a1.net [89.144.194.33]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2JIGI3b021091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Mar 2015 18:16:21 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Mingui Zhang'" , , "'Wenhuafeng'" , "'Andrew G. Malis'" , , "'Ignas Bagdonas'" References: <001801d04600$c3880500$4a980f00$@olddog.co.uk>, <01b301d05695$82020270$86060750$@olddog.co.uk> <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E76AB36767@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E76AB36767@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 18:16:19 -0000 Message-ID: <024f01d06270$d06bcf90$71436eb0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGNWmfgSYzsCwAhKxtULjFdYE2BuwIDJK7rAhw7PCmdiTEnEA== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21410.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--2.643-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--2.643-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: sDm3xtR6Ud+nykMun0J1wnBRIrj8R47Ft6fWTFY+RBn70MU11yWIDg/r lSYgk0vkXlNzYHBmBKqRk6XtYogiarQ/aqQZTRfK0C1sQRfQzEHEQdG7H66TyMdRT5TQAJnAF+P QQTClZUNFOiSSnvNpv5yuoV21QUEhWLWhyf8KaNYl4nVYwIRGQa1+3JijYrAOMqmhG/M0o4/0MH wzu2JowBZt/2+KOWzz Archived-At: Cc: db3546@att.com, pals@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pals] AD review of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 18:16:53 -0000 Thanks for the updated version of this document. I think it addresses all of my AD review comments nicely. Ignas had reported that he was well advanced on an English language review: does anyone know the status of that? Thanks, Adrian From nobody Thu Mar 19 17:02:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB821A01D6 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:02:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AErbeNEbFXte for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22b.google.com (mail-we0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA5531A0231 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wetk59 with SMTP id k59so69947230wet.3 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:02:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X+a6VnPp58QJZYrLNxqzDqtlektPUUiDyVjA8K8fZTE=; b=eBdGHhjUomW/M2F/2ICUz5gI2SUZ1p2/1f/sHIrNt3ZVpgG7A8pUS3/glpokoNIi17 HkkAJtm23aUsmlBUPHYkQdoRwRswtv4rklMZUtSJlAM5e6fG+7GiLcsBXJzSoNW4lT8B s3/Wd4eurK5Je060kXcXICVBsgnr5gSCSBEz6W6+zrZvhumECaTX1yKzVn26KtGtPZ8g vIqxtCkRV2ttRKTm7yQnSgVUjYf2wTuCvO6jlORa8KHklvc9oQM7cJ5IoVNEe7josBcy gVnajgmSMSdrw7vGeqQ3XTXZbowP0CLCpfCj3vh6D4cnS9SbqRucPK33l/S0A2teL4V0 qvJA== X-Received: by 10.180.83.129 with SMTP id q1mr20302656wiy.46.1426809757577; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.101.5] (host86-178-206-110.range86-178.btcentralplus.com. [86.178.206.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n3sm3996866wja.36.2015.03.19.17.02.35 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Mar 2015 17:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <550B639B.7010207@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 00:02:35 +0000 From: Ignas Bagdonas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk, 'Mingui Zhang' , hujie@ctbri.com.cn, 'Wenhuafeng' , "'Andrew G. Malis'" , stbryant@cisco.com References: <001801d04600$c3880500$4a980f00$@olddog.co.uk>, <01b301d05695$82020270$86060750$@olddog.co.uk> <4552F0907735844E9204A62BBDD325E76AB36767@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <024f01d06270$d06bcf90$71436eb0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <024f01d06270$d06bcf90$71436eb0$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: db3546@att.com, pals@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pals] AD review of draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 00:02:46 -0000 Hi Adrian, That is a well advanced work in progress indeed. Some assorted sections remaining and it also needs to be rebased to -03 version. A hopeful ETA could be shortly after Dallas meeting? Ignas On 3/19/2015 18:16, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Thanks for the updated version of this document. > I think it addresses all of my AD review comments nicely. > > Ignas had reported that he was well advanced on an English language review: does > anyone know the status of that? > > Thanks, > Adrian > From nobody Sat Mar 21 10:10:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7451A8903 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 2015 10:10:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nPx1hZqyTR3u for ; Sat, 21 Mar 2015 10:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D285F1A894E for ; Sat, 21 Mar 2015 10:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id BB47C604EA93C for ; Sat, 21 Mar 2015 17:10:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.112]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t2LHAf0s025005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 21 Mar 2015 18:10:41 +0100 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA05.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.1.213]) by FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.112]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Sat, 21 Mar 2015 18:10:41 +0100 From: "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" To: "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Document shepherd writeup for draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-03 Thread-Index: AQHQY/n1yogPO0iugUezdPqr74iYYw== Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 17:10:40 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.8.150116 x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.38] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D133568D75CC5matthewboccialcatellucentcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Document shepherd writeup for draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-03 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A67E1A1A22; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:41:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HErnr4aPXCmq; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FBE1A1A17; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:41:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: , , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150322194122.4259.79069.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 19:41:23 -0000 IESG state changed to AD Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from AD Evaluation::AD Followup English language review currently in progress will lead to a new revision ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp/ From nobody Sun Mar 22 12:41:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A66AE1A1A29; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:41:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A67E1A1A22; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:41:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HErnr4aPXCmq; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FBE1A1A17; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:41:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: , , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150322194122.4259.79069.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:41:22 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 19:41:23 -0000 IESG state changed to AD Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from AD Evaluation::AD Followup English language review currently in progress will lead to a new revision ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-iccp-stp/ From nobody Mon Mar 23 08:34:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4291A90E6; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:34:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fgAOtavNbGNA; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5DB91A9026; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79686d0000030a8-27-550fdccbfb75 Received: from EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.96]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id D8.3C.12456.BCCDF055; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:28:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.96]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:34:17 -0400 From: David Sinicrope To: "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Thread-Index: AQHQZX7ScjJFtb8KXEq4Xgnwc5qqmA== Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:34:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF632C81F62@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.6.141106 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D135A9DA172F03davidsinicropeericssoncom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrBIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPgu7pO/yhBg82qFucfn6KzeLxt0Ps Fmv+rWOy6Pu0hcXi3NM5jA6sHlN+b2T12DnrLrvHkiU/mQKYo7hsUlJzMstSi/TtErgyXhxa xVhwrpexYtHvbvYGxn/VXYycHBICJhJPZ65hhbDFJC7cW8/WxcjFISRwhFHi7q69UM5yRonz Z9awgVSxAXWs27iHBcQWEVCW2HV+CiNIEbNAJ6NEy5YdjCAJYQEDifd9ixkhigwl2i6sgWrQ k3jzcT8TiM0ioCrxfmsDWA2vgJXElQ27mSG2HWKSuHxoMzNIglPAWuLgsQ1gDYxA930/tQbM ZhYQl7j1ZD4TxN0CEkv2nGeGsEUlXj7+B/aPKNCyyR1H2CHiShJzXl9jhuiNl5h6+TXUYkGJ kzOfsExgFJuFZOwsJGWzkJRBxIF+OzefGcLWlli28DWUrS+x8ctZRgjbWuLp0V2syGoWMHKs YuQoLU4ty003MtjECIzaYxJsujsY97y0PMQowMGoxMNrIMgfKsSaWFZcmXuIUZqDRUmcd9GD gyFCAumJJanZqakFqUXxRaU5qcWHGJk4OKUaGOfW359lniaZ71tnMc/isHi717Lbj1P3FIgG bmTwnsXItqK+zFY8Pv56ovKaBJ8QyZhdnu8VE0xuim9VjDn/xlU1lfXGgcV5NR7NygGhAkn3 4t9P8mi2DfdsmiX86HEe423VTVfzJ2j7ZGv5i+g5F56rn8VV9Prb2d8rku5OOnhlovfNRsE6 JZbijERDLeai4kQAZ8KR8bsCAAA= Archived-At: Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" , "IETF.PWE3" , Andrew Malis , Stewart Bryant Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:34:22 -0000 --_000_D135A9DA172F03davidsinicropeericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please see http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/agenda/agenda-92-pals for th= e latest status on slides. If I missed your slides: My apologies, please reply to this email and kindl= y resend them. If you haven=92t sent your slides, (see the x in front of the slot on the a= genda), please send them as soon as possible so the I can post them in time= for the meeting. Thanks! Dave From: David A Sinicrope > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 2:41 PM To: "pals@ietf.org" > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" >, Andrew Malis >, Stewa= rt Bryant >, "IETF.PWE3" > Subject: Re: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Hi All, The final version of the agenda is posted at the link below. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/agenda/agenda-92-pals If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, please= complete the form below and send it in reply to this email. Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides as soon as you = complete them. I will need your slides no later than Monday 23 March 2015 12:00 Dallas tim= e. If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot. Thanks! Dave From: David A Sinicrope > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 9:47 AM To: "pals@ietf.org" > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" >, Andrew Malis >, Stewa= rt Bryant >, "IETF.PWE3" > Subject: Re: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Hi All, Above is the current PALS agenda for Dallas. If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, please= complete the form below and send it in reply to this email. If you haven=92t requested a slot and need one, please complete the form be= low and send it in reply to this email no later than 11 March 2015 12:00 Da= llas time. *** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete the a= genda quickly and accurately. Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no later than M= onday 23 March 2015 12:00 Dallas time. If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot. Thanks! Dave From: David A Sinicrope > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 2:55 PM To: "pals@ietf.org" > Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" >, Andrew Malis >, Stewa= rt Bryant >, "IETF.PWE3" > Subject: Re: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Second reminder. BTW, this will be the last IETF I send the slot request to L2VPN and PWE3. Thanks! Dave From: pwe3 [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Sinicrope Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:23 PM To: pals@ietf.org Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; Andrew Malis; IETF.PWE3; Stewart= Bryant Subject: [PWE3] PALS IETF 92 Slot Requests - Dallas Hi All, It=92s that time again=85 If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 92 PALS session, please reply = to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. (If there are still questions on where L2VPN drafts will be addressed (in P= ALS or BESS), please contact the WG Chairs.) Please use this form and please reply to this email. - topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking): - draft URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth= -oam-iwk/): - brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discussed and re= solved via the presentation during the meeting (e.g., need to address secu= rity issues and get direction from the WG): - requested duration (norm is 10 min): - speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): Thanks! Dave --_000_D135A9DA172F03davidsinicropeericssoncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <9DA86A69A3B5154BB847A278642D7C11@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please see http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/agenda/agenda-92-pals=   for the latest status on slides.
If I missed your slides: My apologies, please reply to this email and = kindly resend them.
If you haven=92t sent your slides, (see the x in front of the slot on = the agenda), please send them as soon as possible so the I can post them in= time for the meeting.
Thanks!
Dave

From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com&g= t;
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 2:= 41 PM
To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@i= etf.org>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2v= pn@ietf.org>, Andrew Malis <= agmalis@gmail.com>, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requ= ests - Dallas

Hi All,
The final version of the agenda is posted at the link below.

If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, p= lease complete the form below and send it in reply to this email.

Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides as soon as= you complete them.
I will need your slides no later than Monday 23 March 2015 12:00 Da= llas time.

If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot.=
Thanks!
Dave

From: David A Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com&g= t;
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 9:= 47 AM
To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@i= etf.org>
Cc: "l2vpn@ietf.org" <l2v= pn@ietf.org>, Andrew Malis <= agmalis@gmail.com>, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, "IETF.PWE3" <pwe3@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: PALS IETF 92 Slot Requ= ests - Dallas

Hi All,


Above is the current PALS agenda for Dallas.
If you requested a slot and I haven=92t allocated one, my apologies, p= lease complete the form below and send it in reply to this email.
If you haven=92t requested a slot and need one, please complete the fo= rm below and send it in reply to this email no later than 11 M= arch 2015 12:00 Dallas time.
*** Taking a couple of minutes to complete the form helps me complete = the agenda quickly and accurately.  

Those that have slots allocated, please send me your slides no late= r than Monday 23 March 2015 12:00 Dallas time.
If I don=92t have your slides by that time, you risk losing your slot.=
Thanks!
Dave

Second reminder.
BTW, this will be the last IETF I send the slot request to L2VPN and P= WE3.
Thanks!
Dave

 

 

 

Hi All,

It=92s that time aga= in=85  

 

If you need a presentation slot for the IETF 92 PALS session, ple= ase reply to this email (subject intact) completing the fo= rm below.   =

(If there are still questions = on where L2VPN drafts will be addressed (in PALS or BESS), please contact t= he WG Chairs.)

 

Please use this form and please reply to = this email.  

 

- topic (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking):

- brief statement of objectives and issues that need to be discus= sed and resolved via the presentation during the meeting  (e.g., need = to address security issues and get direction from the WG):  <= /font>

- requested duration (norm is 10 min):  

- speaker Given-name FAMILY-NAME (e.g., Dave SINICROPE):  

 

Thanks!

Dave

 --_000_D135A9DA172F03davidsinicropeericssoncom_-- From nobody Mon Mar 23 16:59:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435AF1A6FF2 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:59:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22yVHfLFXyEc for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x233.google.com (mail-qg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0D4C1A6F5D for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qgez102 with SMTP id z102so82672892qge.3 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:59:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=O0XKTHzH1RKTcwCFBOEvLdxavM86Dh5pbEawBW7Cf5s=; b=Cbdsp/SoqXXQ3V+EhvZnAfo1LU3yJjyqF2hYJr2gw8O8BRUuc9JMVHstZL7NqJxtgN LelbtS0RmjG38SgXoA9Lb32gxITdQzmfUK4K5RUdgTV3MAQil+V+D/OG7RIZQ7z4VZVm +6miNNhWX9SbnZy+8vUu/IIiKb3tDjkkVIZAfppVc0eRbF1jL8rdJaWHktzNTHvqPLsJ 2qFfmgsK5vZs/ALIehFhxPH5cNiU7mzjqqlNWk9+KKzeIdKYYYzd1f4tv47J972Zij1r mLpkJA3AoNNwKeEegrz0iCoO+54cYEmNKsU7hKGkb3IsHO3GjXTLbiuf5W+nn6Er3vL6 wl0Q== X-Received: by 10.140.235.20 with SMTP id g20mr2433733qhc.32.1427155160019; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:59:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.104.170 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:58:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 18:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: To: "pals@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135cffc5a37a90511fd740b Archived-At: Cc: Adrian Farrel , Stewart Bryant , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A \(ATTLABS\)" , "Bocci, Matthew \(Matthew\)" Subject: Re: [Pals] Document shepherd writeup for draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-03 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 23:59:25 -0000 --001a1135cffc5a37a90511fd740b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Matthew, Many thanks for the writeup. PALS, The draft was just submitted to the IESG for publication. Cheers, Andy On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Bocci, Matthew (Matthew) < matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > Working Group, > > I am the document shepherd for draft-ietf-pals-pals-vccv-for-gal-03. > > Please find the document shepherd writeup below. > > Regards > > Matthew > > ====== > Document Shepherd Write-Up > > draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-03.txt > > > (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, > Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is > this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title > page header? > > Standards Track. > > This is appropriate since the draft defines the usage of the Generic > Associated > Channel Label (GAL) in a new context (a pseudowire signaled using tLDP) > and also > makes additions to the VCCV channel type negotiation procedures defined > in RFC5885 > for the GAL, along with a new code point from the MPLS VCCV CC Types IANA > registry, > which requires IETF consensus. > > (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement > Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent > examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved > documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: > > Technical Summary: > > This document specifies a new Virtual Circuit Connectivity > Verification (VCCV) (RFC5085) control channel type for use with > pseudowires (PW) carried over an MPLS network. This new channel type > uses the Generic Associated Channel Label (GAL) (RFC5586) to > distinguish VCCV packets from packets carrying user data. Although the > use > of the GAL on PWs in MPLS-TP is defined in RFC6423, this draft > specifies > the necessary extensions to VCCV to support the GAL on PWs setup and > maintained > using targeted LDP (tLDP). > > > Working Group Summary: > > There was nothing particularly unusual in the progress of the draft. > The document > originated in the PWE3 working group and moved to the PALS working > group when PWE3 > was concluded in November 2014. The primary > debate in PWE3 was whether earlier control channel types (e.g. Router > Alert) that do > not use the control word should be deprecated in favour of the use of > the GAL. This > was resolved through the implementation survey described in RFC7079, > which > showed that there were significant deployments of both pseudowires > using Router Alert or TTL expiry as the VCCV Channel Type. This draft > therefore > does not deprecate other channel types, but rather provides a clear > order of > precedence when more than one channel type is supported. > > Document Quality: > > There are multiple implementations of the GAL for MPLS-TP LSPs and > PWs. Many > implementations of the LDP extensions for negotiating the use of the > existing > VCCV control channel on a targeted LDP signalled PW are also known to > exist. > The document has also been widely reviewed by the original authors of > and > contributors to VCCV (RFC5085). > > > Personnel: > > The Document Shepherd is Matthew Bocci ( > matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com) > The Responsible Area Director is Deborah Brungard (db3546@att.com) > > > (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by > the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for > publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the > IESG. > > I have reviewed the document several times during its development. > There > are a couple of outstanding minor typographical errors that I have made > the > authors aware of that I believe can be fixed at the next revision. The > document > is ready to be forwarded to the IESG. > > (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or > breadth of the reviews that have been performed? > > No. The document has been reviewed many times by the PWE3 and received > a number > of WG last call comments in PALS which were addressed by the authors. > > (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from > broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, > DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took > place. > > There are no parts of the draft that require further review or the > help of a > MIB doctor. > > (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd > has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the > IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable > with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really > is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and > has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those > concerns here. > > I have no specific concerns. > > (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR > disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 > and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why? > > > An IPR poll was conducted in the PALs list. Each author responded that > they > were not aware of any relevant IPR. There were no other responses. > > (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If > so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR > disclosures. > > There are no IPR declarations against this draft. > > (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it > represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being > silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? > > I believe the draft represents working group consensus. The document > has > been reviewed many times by the PWE3 WG and received a number > of WG last call comments in PALS which were addressed by the authors. > There > was considerable support shown for the draft during WG last call. > > (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme > discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate > email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a > separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) > > None indicated. > > (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this > document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts > Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be > thorough. > > The document passes ID Nits. There are no relevant warnings. > > (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review > criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. > > The document does not require any further formal review. > > (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either > normative or informative? > > Yes. The references section is split into Normative and Informative > sections. > These are appropriate. > > (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for > advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative > references exist, what is the plan for their completion? > > No. All normative references are to published RFCs. > > (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? > If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in > the Last Call procedure. > > There are no downward normative references. > > (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing > RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the > abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed > in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of > the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs > is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why > the WG considers it unnecessary. > > This document does not make any changes to the status of existing > RFCs. Note that > although the draft does add a channel type to VCCV, defined in RFC5085, > it does > not deprecate or otherwise change the status of existing channel types > defined in > RFC5085. > > (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations > section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the > document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes > are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. > Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly > identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a > detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that > allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a > reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). > > The IANA considerations section is consistent with the body of the > document. > there are two IANA requests, one for a new channel type code point and > one > for a new LDP status code. The procedures for their use are specified > in the body > of the document. > > (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future > allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful > in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. > > There are no new IANA registries. > > > (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document > Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal > language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. > > There are no sections written in a formal language that would require > further checks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pals mailing list > Pals@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals > > --001a1135cffc5a37a90511fd740b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Matthew,

Many thanks for the writeup.

PALS,

The draft was just sub= mitted to the IESG for publication.

Cheers,
<= div>Andy

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Bocci, Matthew (Matthew) <matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
Working Group,

I am the document shepherd for draft-ietf-pals-pals-vccv-for-gal-03.

Please find the document shepherd writeup below.

Regards

Matthew

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Document Shepherd Write-Up=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-pals-vccv-for-gal-03.txt


(1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard,
Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is
this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the titl= e
page header?

Standards Track.

This is appropriate since the draft defines the usage of the Generic A= ssociated
Channel Label (GAL) in a new context (a pseudowire signaled using tLDP= ) and also
=C2=A0makes additions to the VCCV channel type negotiation procedures = defined in RFC5885=C2=A0
=C2=A0for the GAL, along with a new code point from the MPLS VCCV CC T= ypes IANA registry,=C2=A0
=C2=A0which requires IETF consensus. =C2=A0

(2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement
Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent=
examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for appr= oved
documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections:<= /div>

Technical Summary:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document specifies a new Virtual Circuit Connectivit= y
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Verification (VCCV) (RFC5085) control channel type for us= e with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0pseudowires (PW) carried over an MPLS network.=C2=A0 This= new channel type
=C2=A0 =C2=A0uses the Generic Associated Channel Label (GAL) (RFC5586)= to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0distinguish VCCV packets from packets carrying user data.= Although the use
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of the GAL on PWs in MPLS-TP is defined in RFC6423, this = draft specifies=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the necessary extensions to VCCV to support the GAL on PW= s setup and maintained=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0using targeted LDP (tLDP).


Working Group Summary:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0There was nothing particularly unusual in the progress of= the draft. The document
=C2=A0 =C2=A0originated in the PWE3 working group and moved to the PAL= S working group when PWE3
=C2=A0 =C2=A0was concluded in November 2014. The primary
=C2=A0 =C2=A0debate in PWE3 was whether earlier control channel types = (e.g. Router Alert) that do=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0not use the control word should be deprecated in favour o= f the use of the GAL. This=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0was resolved through the implementation survey described = in RFC7079, which
=C2=A0 =C2=A0showed that there were significant deployments of both ps= eudowires=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0using Router Alert or TTL expiry as the VCCV Channel Type= . This draft therefore
=C2=A0 =C2=A0does not deprecate other channel types, but rather provid= es a clear order of=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0precedence when more than one channel type is supported.= =C2=A0

Document Quality:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0There are multiple implementations of the GAL for MPLS-TP= LSPs and PWs. Many=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0implementations of the LDP extensions for negotiating the= use of the existing=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0VCCV control channel on a targeted LDP signalled PW are a= lso known to exist.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The document has also been widely reviewed by the origina= l authors of and=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0contributors to VCCV (RFC5085).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Personnel:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Document Shepherd is Matthew Bocci (matthew.bocci@alcatel-= lucent.com)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Responsible Area Director is Deborah Brungard (db3546@att.com) =C2=A0


(3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by=
the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready fo= r
publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the=
IESG.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I have reviewed the document several times during its dev= elopment. There
=C2=A0 =C2=A0are a couple of outstanding minor typographical errors th= at I have made the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0authors aware of that I believe can be fixed at the next = revision. The document
=C2=A0 =C2=A0is ready to be forwarded to the IESG.

(4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or
breadth of the reviews that have been performed?

=C2=A0 No. The document has been reviewed many times by the PWE3 and r= eceived a number=C2=A0
=C2=A0 of WG last call comments in PALS which were addressed by the au= thors.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0
(5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from<= /div>
broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS,=
DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that to= ok
place.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0There are no parts of the draft that require further revi= ew or the help of a=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MIB doctor.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0
(6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepher= d
has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the
IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortab= le
with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there real= ly
is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues a= nd
has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail tho= se
concerns here.

=C2=A0 I have no specific concerns.

(7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR
disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 7= 8
and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why?

=C2=A0
=C2=A0An IPR poll was conducted in the PALs list. Each author responde= d that they
=C2=A0were not aware of any relevant IPR. There were no other response= s.

(8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If=
so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR
disclosures.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0There are no IPR declarations against this draft.

(9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it
represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others bei= ng
silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it?

=C2=A0 I believe the draft represents working group consensus. The doc= ument has=C2=A0
=C2=A0 been reviewed many times by the PWE3 WG and received a number= =C2=A0
=C2=A0 of WG last call comments in PALS which were addressed by the au= thors. There
=C2=A0 was considerable support shown for the draft during WG last cal= l.

(10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme
discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate<= /div>
email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a
separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.)

=C2=A0 None indicated.

(11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this
document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts
Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be<= /div>
thorough.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The document passes ID Nits. There are no relevant warnin= gs.

(12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review
criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The document does not require any further formal review.<= /div>

(13) Have all references within this document been identified as eithe= r
normative or informative?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Yes. The references section is split into Normative and I= nformative sections.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0These are appropriate.=C2=A0

(14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready fo= r
advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative
references exist, what is the plan for their completion?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0No. All normative references are to published RFCs.

(15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)= ?
If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in<= /div>
the Last Call procedure.

=C2=A0 There are no downward normative references.

(16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existi= ng
RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the
abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not liste= d
in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part o= f
the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs=
is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why<= /div>
the WG considers it unnecessary.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document does not make any changes to the status of = existing RFCs. Note that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0although the draft does add a channel type to VCCV, defin= ed in RFC5085, it does=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0not deprecate or otherwise change the status of existing = channel types defined in=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC5085.

(17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considera= tions
section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of th= e
document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes=
are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries.
Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly
identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a
detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that<= /div>
allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a
reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226)= .

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The IANA considerations section is consistent with the bo= dy of the document.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0there are two IANA requests, one for a new channel type c= ode point and one=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0for a new LDP status code. The procedures for their use a= re specified in the body=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of the document.=C2=A0

(18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for futur= e
allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find usef= ul
in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries.

=C2=A0 There are no new IANA registries.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0

(19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document
Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal
language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0There are no sections written in a formal language that w= ould require
=C2=A0 =C2=A0further checks.



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--001a1135cffc5a37a90511fd740b-- From nobody Tue Mar 24 11:20:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE97E1A891F; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:20:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0eaR5z2vaxpJ; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB57C1A8835; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BUC03297; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:20:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.71) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:20:40 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.68]) by SZXEMA412-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.71]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 02:20:31 +0800 From: Jiangyuanlong To: "Vengada Prasad Govindan (venggovi)" , "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Requesting comments on SBFD-VCCV drafts Thread-Index: AdBcG8bbDt4lFsaSQwiuvYh/1U3PNAKKHR4w Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:20:29 +0000 Message-ID: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A8C38BB@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <315041E4211CB84E86EF7C25A2AB583D54337F7C@xmb-rcd-x15.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <315041E4211CB84E86EF7C25A2AB583D54337F7C@xmb-rcd-x15.cisco.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.46.69.36] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "Jeffrey Haas \(jhaas@pfrc.org\)" , "Carlos Pignataro \(cpignata\)" , "agmalis@gmail.com" , "nobo.akiya.dev@gmail.com" , "Stewart Bryant \(stbryant\)" Subject: Re: [Pals] Requesting comments on SBFD-VCCV drafts X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 18:20:47 -0000 Hi Stewart, Jeffrey and other authors, If the purpose of this draft is not to deprecate the original VCCV BFD (0x1= 0) function for MPLS PW, please make it clear: - One option is clearly removing MPLS/PW-ACH Encapsulation from SBFD so tha= t BFD and SBFD complement with each other. - Another option is as the document describes, the same MPLS/PW is supporte= d by both SBFD and original BFD, then a guideline section is needed so that= consistent BFD type (SBFD or original BFD) can be chosen by the peer PEs (= e.g., both BFD types are supported by two PEs associated with a specific BF= D session). Regards, Yuanlong -----Original Message----- From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vengada Prasad Govin= dan (venggovi) Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:53 AM To: rtg-bfd@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org Cc: Jeffrey Haas (jhaas@pfrc.org); Carlos Pignataro (cpign= ata); agmalis@gmail.com; nobo.akiya.dev@gmail.com; Stewart Bryant (stbryant= ) Subject: [Pals] Requesting comments on SBFD-VCCV drafts Hello all, We have submitted two new drafts: a. draft-gp-pals-seamless-vccv: This draft defines the SBFD protocol operat= ion for VCCV. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gp-pals-seamless-vccv/ b. draft-gp-l2tpext-sbfd-discriminator: This draft defines AVPs for adverti= sement of SBFD discriminators in L2TP. We welcome comments/ feedback on these drafts. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gp-l2tpext-sbfd-discriminator/ Thanks Prasad From nobody Tue Mar 24 13:55:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4268D1A0390 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:55:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DT2uCDjnZL81 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x233.google.com (mail-qg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB0681A049A for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qgfa8 with SMTP id a8so9364317qgf.0 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:54:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=h+khR2PZh7WG4zIAg8Lha0jNN33yVcondBWtJAbVWkU=; b=Vye/ODgWG5K08kIJwh7EGcm2ETHOUaylAyfZoNiIpQcJ4q1MTzZTnhePdYotzyTtqR GHEmq/OopQVWtcAG9k51fLsSn0wZHaMSw3MIe4p92y3Jr56Ha1FLCQ1SQeoqfmBGQ+9F Kj/JyTwPpMcQgwcQQnbLDlau0Zv9cdVMLM+SQ8iXaF2UE4yrZ4XPcj7OHJGvmKofF9uQ a5q/7AYTPbiuZQTXALTwl+GUQ9e6aNTvpHiioHyuowK7DbkSD11p0g1ECkq3nMJx2SMu e6EZxPImXFubvD3kdlE6Zp0Uk38LpiqsrgLFbUrflYp/0ygNu6aMXpeN/gADlySS6+NH YM9g== X-Received: by 10.229.66.201 with SMTP id o9mr8380245qci.31.1427230489048; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:54:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.104.170 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:54:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:54:28 -0500 Message-ID: To: "pals@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2eff24ffab105120efe6f Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] PALS minutes online, please review X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 20:55:02 -0000 --001a11c2eff24ffab105120efe6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The minutes are online from today's PALS meeting at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pals/minutes?item=minutes-92-pals.html . Please review and comment on the list if you see anything that needs correcting. Thanks to Dave Sinicrope for taking the notes and the speedy upload. Thanks, Andy --001a11c2eff24ffab105120efe6f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The minutes are online from today's PALS meeting at=C2= =A0http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pals/minutes?item=3Dminutes-92-pals.html= . Please review and comment on the list if you see anything that needs cor= recting. Thanks to Dave Sinicrope for taking the notes and the speedy uploa= d.

Thanks,
Andy

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:06:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040409010906070900010107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yuanlong The text has the following nits mostly this is just minor editing but does need to be fixed. RFC 6136 can be made an informational ref ===================== tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt: tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(20): Line is too long: the offending characters are '.' tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(227): Line is too long: the offending characters are '.' tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(415): Line is too long: the offending characters are ',' tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(579): Line is too long: the offending characters are 'e' tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(582): Line is too long: the offending characters are 'N,' tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(632): Line is too long: the offending characters are 'n' tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(635): Line is too long: the offending characters are 'e' tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(917): Line is too long: the offending characters are 'n' tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(924): Line is too long: the offending characters are '.' tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(1138): Line has weird spacing: '...) where any t...' 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Found 'MUST not' in this paragraph: The Ethernet-Tree (E-Tree) service is defined in Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) Technical Specification MEF 6.1 as a Rooted-Multipoint Ethernet Virtual Connection (EVC) service. It is a multipoint Ethernet service with special restrictions: the Ethernet frames from a root may be received by any other root or leaf, and the frames from a leaf may be received by any root, but MUST not be received by a leaf. Further, an E-Tree service may include multiple roots and multiple leaves. Although Virtual Private Multicast Service (VPMS) [VPMS] or Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) multicast is a somewhat simplified version of this service, in fact, there is no exact corresponding terminology in IETF yet. -- The document date (February 26, 2015) is 32 days in the past. Is this intentional? 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Yuanlong

The text has the following nits mostly this is just minor editing but
does need to be fixed.

RFC 6136 can be made an informational ref

=====================


tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt:
tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(20): Line is too long: the offending characters are '.'
tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(227): Line is too long: the offending characters are '.'
tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(415): Line is too long: the offending characters are ','
tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(579): Line is too long: the offending characters are 'e'
tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(582): Line is too long: the offending characters are 'N,'
tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(632): Line is too long: the offending characters are 'n'
tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(635): Line is too long: the offending characters are 'e'
tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(917): Line is too long: the offending characters are 'n'
tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(924): Line is too long: the offending characters are '.'
tmp/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-05.txt(1138): Line has weird spacing: '...) where  any t...'


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  Miscellaneous warnings:
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  == Using lowercase 'not' together with uppercase 'MUST', 'SHALL', 'SHOULD',
     or 'RECOMMENDED' is not an accepted usage according to RFC 2119.  Please
     use uppercase 'NOT' together with RFC 2119 keywords (if that is what you
     mean).
    
     Found 'MUST not' in this paragraph:
    
     The Ethernet-Tree (E-Tree) service is defined in Metro Ethernet
     Forum (MEF) Technical Specification MEF 6.1 as a Rooted-Multipoint
     Ethernet Virtual Connection (EVC) service. It is a multipoint Ethernet
     service with special restrictions: the Ethernet frames from a root may be
     received by any other root or leaf, and the frames from a leaf may be
     received by any root, but MUST not be received by a leaf. Further, an
     E-Tree service may include multiple roots and multiple leaves. Although
     Virtual Private Multicast Service (VPMS) [VPMS] or Point-to-Multipoint
     (P2MP) multicast is a somewhat simplified version of this service, in
     fact, there is no exact corresponding terminology in IETF yet.

  -- The document date (February 26, 2015) is 32 days in the past.  Is this
     intentional?


  Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

     (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative references
     to lower-maturity documents in RFCs)

  == Unused Reference: 'MEF4' is defined on line 872, but no explicit
     reference was found in the text
     '[MEF4]    Metro Ethernet Forum, Metro Ethernet Network Architecture...'

  ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 6136


     Summary: 2 errors (**), 0 flaws (~~), 2 warnings (==), 1 comment (--).


===============

Looking at this text
 


614	   1) if the root and leaf VLAN ID in the message match the local root
615	      and leaf VLAN ID, then continue to 3);

617	   2) else {

619	          if the bit V is cleared, then {

621	                if the PE is capable of VLAN mapping, then it MUST set
622	                VLAN-Mapping-Mode to TRUE;

624	                else {

626	                     A label release message with the error code "E-Tree
627	                     VLAN mapping not supported" is sent to the peer PE
628	                     and exit the process;

630	                     }

632	          }

634	          if the bit V is set, and the PE is capable of VLAN mapping,
635	          then the PE with the minimum IP address MUST set VLAN-Mapping-
636	          Mode to TRUE;

638	      }

640	   3) If the P bit is set, then:

It might be clearer to apply De Morgan:

Which I think makes it

1) if the root not equal local root or leaf VLAN ID not equal to leaf VLAN ID
   in the message match then


	          if the bit V is cleared, then {

	                if the PE is capable of VLAN mapping, then it MUST set
	                VLAN-Mapping-Mode to TRUE;

	                else {

	                     A label release message with the error code "E-Tree
	                     VLAN mapping not supported" is sent to the peer PE
	                     and exit the process;

	                     }

	          }

	          if the bit V is set, and the PE is capable of VLAN mapping,
	          then the PE with the minimum IP address MUST set VLAN-Mapping-
	          Mode to TRUE;

	      }

2) If the P bit is set, then:


--------------040409010906070900010107-- From nobody Mon Mar 30 07:17:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA921ACEED for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 07:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.612 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.612 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0qX4A7DIarfv for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 07:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DC0C1ACE08 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 07:17:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=503; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1427725058; x=1428934658; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:mime-version:to:cc:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=5XV+3p6QZRHsH48Yg6GUdFXgCbAVFuBqDPbwoIr9w0Q=; b=fj8pi3UeAIIM5TlJjJw65XL5JwNoY8Sfz9Q4CeAa56uAnLvahRoyMu83 G9WsJRP+suQBYwh2/XR0e+s19RsrYwyQGNhzTuieW2QIv1O6L5C2ph+7S iJbJpNgzWaopIjJT164nV1JzwiyVylGzrj3DXhLhNDiI22TLt1j/NR9NE o=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,494,1422921600"; d="scan'208";a="408766721" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2015 14:17:36 +0000 Received: from [64.103.108.139] (dhcp-bdlk10-data-vlan301-64-103-108-139.cisco.com [64.103.108.139]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2UEHaHi009200; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:17:36 GMT Message-ID: <55195B00.6060505@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 15:17:36 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "pals@ietf.org" Subject: [Pals] IPR Poll draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:17:40 -0000 This is to start an IPR Poll for draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon Please can each of the authors reply to me and the PALS list stating that they know of no IPR that has not already been disclosed that is relevant to this draft. Similarly please can any member of the PALS WG that knows of any relevant IPR also disclose it or state that they have started the disclosure process. I will close this poll on the later of: 13th April 2015 and when I have heard from all authors. 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From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150331073947.8427.3355.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 00:39:47 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-06.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 07:39:50 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Ethernet-Tree (E-Tree) Support in Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Authors : Yuanlong Jiang Lucy Yong Manuel Paul Filename : draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-06.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2015-03-31 Abstract: A generic Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) solution is specified for Ethernet-Tree (E-Tree) services which uses VLANs to indicate root or leaf traffic. A VPLS Provider Edge (PE) model is illustrated as an example for the solution. In the solution, E-Tree VPLS PEs are interconnected by PWs which carry the VLAN indicating the E-Tree attribute, the MAC address based Ethernet forwarding engine and the PW work in the same way as before. A signaling mechanism for E-Tree capability and VLAN mapping negotiation is further described. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Mar 2015 01:56:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hhjj-Zo0jxd7; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 01:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B851B2B5A; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 01:56:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150331085630.32619.90643.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 01:56:30 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-07.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 08:56:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Ethernet-Tree (E-Tree) Support in Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Authors : Yuanlong Jiang Lucy Yong Manuel Paul Filename : draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-07.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2015-03-31 Abstract: A generic Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) solution is specified for Ethernet-Tree (E-Tree) services which uses VLANs to indicate root or leaf traffic. A VPLS Provider Edge (PE) model is illustrated as an example for the solution. In the solution, E-Tree VPLS PEs are interconnected by PWs which carry the VLAN indicating the E-Tree attribute, the MAC address based Ethernet forwarding engine and the PW work in the same way as before. A signaling mechanism for E-Tree capability and VLAN mapping negotiation is further described. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Mar 31 18:21:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3051A1DE1 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:21:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hrl65yVcR1-3 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D3ED1A1BEE for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BUI99677; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 01:21:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.71) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 02:21:25 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.68]) by SZXEMA412-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.71]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 09:21:19 +0800 From: Jiangyuanlong To: "stbryant@cisco.com" , "draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pals] IPR Poll draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon Thread-Index: AQHQavRWZsoa+WF61kGseAnd2s4Kwp03XR1A Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 01:21:19 +0000 Message-ID: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A8C6A2A@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <55195B00.6060505@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <55195B00.6060505@cisco.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.76.118] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] IPR Poll draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 01:21:28 -0000 Hi all, I am not aware of any undisclosed IPR relevant to this draft.=20 Regards, Yuanlong -----Original Message----- From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 10:18 PM To: draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon@tools.ietf.org Cc: pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] IPR Poll draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon This is to start an IPR Poll for draft-jiang-pwe3-mc-pon Please can each of the authors reply to me and the PALS list stating that they know of no IPR that has not already been disclosed that is relevant to this draft. Similarly please can any member of the PALS WG that knows of any relevant IPR also disclose it or state that they have started the disclosure process. I will close this poll on the later of: 13th April 2015 and when I have heard from all authors. Thanks Stewart