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PALSers,

Even though this is an adoption poll for the BESS WG, this draft is also of
interest to PALS and has been presented several times at PALS meetings.

If you have any comments on the adoption poll, please go over to the BESS
email list and respond there to the poll.

Cheers,
Andy

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com>
Date: Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:17 AM
Subject: [bess] Poll for adoption: draft-shah-bess-l2vpn-yang
To: bess@ietf.org
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Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-shah-bess-l2vpn-yang [1] as a working group document.

Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in both cases,
please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until *May 25th*.

This call runs in parallel with the adoption call on
draft-brissette-bess-evpn-yang hence the extended period.


We are *coincidentally* also polling for knowledge of any other
IPR that applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed
in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
and 5378 for more details).

==> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please
respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
relevant IPR.

The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
each author and contributor.

If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly
respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in
conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you,

Martin & Thomas
bess chairs

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shah-bess-l2vpn-yang

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>PALSers,</div><div><br></div><div>Even though this is=
 an adoption poll for the BESS WG, this draft is also of interest to PALS a=
nd has been presented several times at PALS meetings.</div><div><br></div><=
div>If you have any comments on the adoption poll, please go over to the BE=
SS email list and respond there to the poll.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheer=
s,</div><div>Andy</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded =
message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Thomas Morin</b> =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com">thomas.mor=
in@orange.com</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:17 AM<br>Subje=
ct: [bess]  Poll for adoption: draft-shah-bess-l2vpn-yang<br>To: <a href=3D=
"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@ietf.org</a><br>Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:draft-sha=
h-bess-l2vpn-yang@tools.ietf.org">draft-shah-bess-l2vpn-yang@tools.ietf.org=
</a><br><br><br>Hello working group,<br>
<br>
This email starts a two-week poll on adopting<br>
draft-shah-bess-l2vpn-yang [1] as a working group document.<br>
<br>
Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in both cases, ple=
ase also state the reasons).<br>
<br>
This poll runs until *May 25th*.<br>
<br>
This call runs in parallel with the adoption call on draft-brissette-bess-e=
vpn-yang hence the extended period.<br>
<br>
<br>
We are *coincidentally* also polling for knowledge of any other<br>
IPR that applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed<br>
in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669<br>
and 5378 for more details).<br>
<br>
=3D=3D&gt; *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please<b=
r>
respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any<br>
relevant IPR.<br>
<br>
The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from<br>
each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly r=
espond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in =
conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
<br>
Martin &amp; Thomas<br>
bess chairs<br>
<br>
[1] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shah-bess-l2vpn-yang"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf=
t-shah-bess-l2vpn-yang</a><br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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Working Group,

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01 has been
requested for PALS working group adoption.

We will conduct an IPR poll before the adoption poll is started.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

There are no IPR disclosures currently filed against this document.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG email list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the PALS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

This call will remain open until we=E2=80=99ve heard back from all of the a=
uthors
and contributors.

Thanks,
Andy

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s.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01">https://tools.ietf.org=
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sted for=C2=A0<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">PALS</span>=C2=A0wo=
rking group adoption.<br><br>We will conduct an=C2=A0<span class=3D"" style=
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x">poll</span>=C2=A0before the adoption poll=C2=A0is started.<br><br>Are yo=
u aware of any=C2=A0<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span>=C2=
=A0that applies to=C2=A0draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping?<br><br>If so, has=
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3px">IPR</span>=C2=A0rules<br>(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more =
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 be sent to the=C2=A0<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">PALS</span>=
=C2=A0WG email list.* The<br>document will not advance to the next stage un=
til a response has been<br>received from each author and contributor.<br><b=
r>If you are on the=C2=A0<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">PALS</sp=
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Hi Andy

I am not aware of any IPR related to this document.

Regards,
Parag
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CSG IOS-XR Routing
. : | : . : | : .
CISCO
2000 Innovation Drive, Kanata, ON, Canada K2K 3J9

From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com<mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>>
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM
To: "pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.org>" <pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.o=
rg>>, "draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org<mailto:draft-jain-pals-p2m=
p-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org>" <draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org<mailto:=
draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org>>
Subject: IPR poll for draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org>>
Resent-To: Parag Jain <paragj@cisco.com<mailto:paragj@cisco.com>>, <sboutro=
s@vmware.com<mailto:sboutros@vmware.com>>, <aldrin.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:al=
drin.ietf@gmail.com>>
Resent-Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM

Working Group,

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01 has been
requested for PALS working group adoption.

We will conduct an IPR poll before the adoption poll is started.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

There are no IPR disclosures currently filed against this document.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG email list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the PALS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

This call will remain open until we've heard back from all of the authors a=
nd contributors.

Thanks,
Andy

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<div>Hi Andy</div>
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<div>I am not aware of any IPR related to this document.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
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as been&nbsp;
<div>requested for&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">PALS</spa=
n>&nbsp;working group adoption.<br>
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&nbsp;WG email list.* The<br>
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
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If you are on the&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">PALS</span=
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> On May 9, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Parag Jain (paragj) <paragj@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Andy
>=20
> I am not aware of any IPR related to this document.
>=20
> Regards,
> Parag
> --
> Parag Jain (paragj@cisco.com)
> CSG IOS-XR Routing
> . : | : . : | : .
> CISCO
> 2000 Innovation Drive, Kanata, ON, Canada K2K 3J9
>=20
> From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM
> To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>, "draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@iet=
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> Working Group,
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> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01 has been=20=

> requested for PALS working group adoption.
>=20
> We will conduct an IPR poll before the adoption poll is started.
>=20
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping?=

>=20
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?
>=20
> There are no IPR disclosures currently filed against this document.
>=20
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
> IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG email list.* The
> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
> received from each author and contributor.
>=20
> If you are on the PALS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>=20
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uthors and contributors.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>The same here&nbsp;</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Sami</div><div><br>Sent from my iPho=
ne</div><div><br>On May 9, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Parag Jain (paragj) &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:paragj@cisco.com">paragj@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

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">


<div>
<div>Hi Andy</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am not aware of any IPR related to this document.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Parag</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;">--<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;">Parag Jain (<a href=3D"mailto:paragj@cisco.com" style=3D"color: blue;">=
paragj@cisco.com</a>)<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;">CSG IOS-XR Routing<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 16pt; color: rgb(0, 128, 192);">. : | : . :=
 | : .</span></b><b><span style=3D"font-size: 16pt; color: red;"></span></b>=
<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 16pt; color: red;">CISCO</span></b><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 16pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></b></div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;">2000 Innovation Drive, Kanata, ON, Canada K2K 3J9</div>
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RDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>"Andrew G. Malis" &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:agmalis@gmail.com">agmalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:47 A=
M<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org=
">pals@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org">pals@ietf.org</a>&=
gt;, "<a href=3D"mailto:draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org">draft-jai=
n-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-jain-pals-=
p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org">draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org</a>&gt;=
<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>IPR poll for draft-jain-pal=
s-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-From: </span>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a=
lias-bounces@ietf.org">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-To: </span>Parag Jain &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:paragj@cisco.com">paragj@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sb=
outros@vmware.com">sboutros@vmware.com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aldrin=
.ietf@gmail.com">aldrin.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-Date: </span>Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1=
0:47 AM<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;">
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:13px">Working Group,</span><br sty=
le=3D"font-size:13px">
<br style=3D"font-size:13px">
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01">=
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01</a>&nbsp;has=
 been&nbsp;
<div>requested for&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">PALS</span=
>&nbsp;working group adoption.<br>
<br>
We will conduct an&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span>=
&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">poll</span>&nbsp;before the a=
doption poll&nbsp;is started.<br>
<br>
Are you aware of any&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</spa=
n>&nbsp;that applies to&nbsp;draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping?<br>
<br>
If so, has this&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span>&nb=
sp;been disclosed in compliance with IETF&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"fon=
t-size:13px">IPR</span>&nbsp;rules<br>
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?<br>
<br>
There are no&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span>&nbsp;=
disclosures currently filed against this document.<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<br>
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span>. *The response needs to=
 be sent to the&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">PALS</span>&n=
bsp;WG email list.* The<br>
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">PALS</span>=
&nbsp;WG email list but are not listed as an author or<br>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br>=

<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span>&nbsp;that has not yet b=
een disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This call will remain open until we=E2=80=99ve heard back from all of t=
he authors and contributors.<br>
<br>
Thanks,</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:13px">Andy</div>
</div>
</div>
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Not aware if any IPR related to this.

Sam

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 9, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Sami Boutros <boutros.sami@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> The same here=20
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Sami
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On May 9, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Parag Jain (paragj) <paragj@cisco.com> wrote:=

>>=20
>> Hi Andy
>>=20
>> I am not aware of any IPR related to this document.
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Parag
>> --
>> Parag Jain (paragj@cisco.com)
>> CSG IOS-XR Routing
>> . : | : . : | : .
>> CISCO
>> 2000 Innovation Drive, Kanata, ON, Canada K2K 3J9
>>=20
>> From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
>> Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM
>> To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>, "draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ie=
tf.org" <draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org>
>> Subject: IPR poll for draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping
>> Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
>> Resent-To: Parag Jain <paragj@cisco.com>, <sboutros@vmware.com>, <aldrin.=
ietf@gmail.com>
>> Resent-Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM
>>=20
>> Working Group,
>>=20
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01 has been=20=

>> requested for PALS working group adoption.
>>=20
>> We will conduct an IPR poll before the adoption poll is started.
>>=20
>> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping=
?
>>=20
>> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
>> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?
>>=20
>> There are no IPR disclosures currently filed against this document.
>>=20
>> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
>> this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
>> IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG email list.* The
>> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
>> received from each author and contributor.
>>=20
>> If you are on the PALS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
>> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
>> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>>=20
>> This call will remain open until we=E2=80=99ve heard back from all of the=
 authors and contributors.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Andy
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pals mailing list
>> Pals@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Not aware if any IPR related to this.<=
/div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"=
>Sam<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On May 9, 2016, at 10:27 AM, S=
ami Boutros &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:boutros.sami@gmail.com">boutros.sami@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-e=
quiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div>The same h=
ere&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Sami</di=
v><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On May 9, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Par=
ag Jain (paragj) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paragj@cisco.com">paragj@cisco.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

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<div>Hi Andy</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am not aware of any IPR related to this document.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Parag</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;">--<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;">Parag Jain (<a href=3D"mailto:paragj@cisco.com" style=3D"color: blue;">=
paragj@cisco.com</a>)<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;">CSG IOS-XR Routing<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 16pt; color: rgb(0, 128, 192);">. : | : . :=
 | : .</span></b><b><span style=3D"font-size: 16pt; color: red;"></span></b>=
<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 16pt; color: red;">CISCO</span></b><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 16pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></b></div>
<div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11=
pt;">2000 Innovation Drive, Kanata, ON, Canada K2K 3J9</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:bl=
ack; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0=
in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BO=
RDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>"Andrew G. Malis" &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:agmalis@gmail.com">agmalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:47 A=
M<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org=
">pals@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org">pals@ietf.org</a>&=
gt;, "<a href=3D"mailto:draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org">draft-jai=
n-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-jain-pals-=
p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org">draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org</a>&gt;=
<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>IPR poll for draft-jain-pal=
s-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-From: </span>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a=
lias-bounces@ietf.org">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-To: </span>Parag Jain &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:paragj@cisco.com">paragj@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sb=
outros@vmware.com">sboutros@vmware.com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aldrin=
.ietf@gmail.com">aldrin.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-Date: </span>Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1=
0:47 AM<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01">=
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 been&nbsp;
<div>requested for&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">PALS</span=
>&nbsp;working group adoption.<br>
<br>
We will conduct an&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span>=
&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">poll</span>&nbsp;before the a=
doption poll&nbsp;is started.<br>
<br>
Are you aware of any&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</spa=
n>&nbsp;that applies to&nbsp;draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping?<br>
<br>
If so, has this&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span>&nb=
sp;been disclosed in compliance with IETF&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"fon=
t-size:13px">IPR</span>&nbsp;rules<br>
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?<br>
<br>
There are no&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span>&nbsp;=
disclosures currently filed against this document.<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<br>
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span>. *The response needs to=
 be sent to the&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">PALS</span>&n=
bsp;WG email list.* The<br>
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the&nbsp;<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">PALS</span>=
&nbsp;WG email list but are not listed as an author or<br>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br>=

<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span>&nbsp;that has not yet b=
een disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This call will remain open until we=E2=80=99ve heard back from all of t=
he authors and contributors.<br>
<br>
Thanks,</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:13px">Andy</div>
</div>
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Support as a co-author=20

Thanks,

Sami

> On May 9, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Having heard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this email is the begi=
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Yes/support

Regards,
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>> On May 9, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Having heard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this email is the beg=
inning of a two-week poll, ending May 23, to consider the PALS WG adoption o=
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>> If you don=92t support the adoption, an explanation of your reasoning isn=
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essed.
>>=20
>> Comments on the draft text are also welcome (and I would like to thank Gr=
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>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Andy
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eard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this email is the beginning of a=
 two-week poll, ending May 23, to consider the PALS WG adoption of&nbsp;<a h=
ref=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01" targ=
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Support as a co-author.

Thanks
Parag
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CISCO
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From: Pals <pals-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com<mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>>
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:02 PM
To: "pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.org>" <pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.o=
rg>>
Cc: "draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org<mailto:draft-jain-pals-p2mp-=
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Subject: [Pals] PALS WG poll to adopt draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping

Having heard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this email is the begin=
ning of a two-week poll, ending May 23, to consider the PALS WG adoption of=
 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01 . Please r=
espond to the PALS list with either "Yes/Support" or "No/Do not support" re=
garding the adoption of this draft.

If you don't support the adoption, an explanation of your reasoning isn't r=
equired, but would be appreciated so that any deficiencies can be addressed=
.

Comments on the draft text are also welcome (and I would like to thank Greg=
 for jumping the gun on these :-).

Thanks,
Andy


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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ie=
tf.org">pals@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org">pals@i=
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ls-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-size:13px">https://=
tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01</a>&nbsp;.
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#8220;No/Do not support&#8221; regarding the adoption of this draft.&nbsp;
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<div>If you don&#8217;t support the adoption, an explanation of your reason=
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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Yes/Support

From: Pals <pals-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com<mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>>
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:02 PM
To: "pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.org>" <pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.o=
rg>>
Cc: "draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org<mailto:draft-jain-pals-p2mp-=
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aft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Pals] PALS WG poll to adopt draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping

Having heard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this email is the begin=
ning of a two-week poll, ending May 23, to consider the PALS WG adoption of=
 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01 . Please r=
espond to the PALS list with either "Yes/Support" or "No/Do not support" re=
garding the adoption of this draft.

If you don't support the adoption, an explanation of your reasoning isn't r=
equired, but would be appreciated so that any deficiencies can be addressed=
.

Comments on the draft text are also welcome (and I would like to thank Greg=
 for jumping the gun on these :-).

Thanks,
Andy


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w G. Malis&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:agmalis@gmail.com">agmalis@gmail.com=
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M<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ie=
tf.org">pals@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org">pals@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-j=
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g">draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[Pals] PALS WG poll to ado=
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mail is the beginning of a two-week poll, ending May 23, to consider the PA=
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ls-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-size:13px">https://=
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#8220;No/Do not support&#8221; regarding the adoption of this draft.&nbsp;
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you don&#8217;t support the adoption, an explanation of your reason=
ing isn&#8217;t required, but would be appreciated so that any deficiencies=
 can be addressed.
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</div>
<div>Comments on the draft text are also welcome (and I would like to thank=
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</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
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Working Group,

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon-03 has been
requested for PALS working group last call.

We will conduct an IPR poll before the last call is started.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

Note that there is one IPR disclosure currently filed against this document=
.
This does not need to be re-disclosed.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi=
s
email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any additional relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG email list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the PALS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

This call will remain open until we=E2=80=99ve heard back from all of the a=
uthors
and
contributors.

Thanks,
Andy

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:13px">Working Group,</span><br st=
yle=3D"font-size:13px"><br style=3D"font-size:13px"><a href=3D"https://tool=
s.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon-03">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf=
t-ietf-pals-mc-pon-03</a>=C2=A0has been=C2=A0<div>requested for=C2=A0PALS=
=C2=A0working group last call.<br><br>We will conduct an=C2=A0IPR=C2=A0poll=
=C2=A0before the last call is started.<br><br>Are you aware of any=C2=A0IPR=
=C2=A0that applies to=C2=A0draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon?<br><br>If so, has this=
=C2=A0IPR=C2=A0been disclosed in compliance with IETF=C2=A0IPR=C2=A0rules<b=
r>(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?<br><br>Note that t=
here is one IPR disclosure currently filed against this document.</div><div=
>This does not need to be re-disclosed.<br><br>If you are listed as a docum=
ent author or contributor please respond to this<br>email regardless of whe=
ther or not you are aware of any additional relevant<br>IPR. *The response =
needs to be sent to the=C2=A0PALS=C2=A0WG email list.* The<br>document will=
 not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>received from e=
ach author and contributor.<br><br>If you are on the=C2=A0PALS=C2=A0WG emai=
l list but are not listed as an author or<br>contributor, then please expli=
citly respond only if you are aware of any<br>IPR=C2=A0that has not yet bee=
n disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.</div><div style=3D"font-size:13=
px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:13px">This call will remain open unti=
l we=E2=80=99ve heard back from all of the authors and=C2=A0</div><div styl=
e=3D"font-size:13px">contributors.<br><br>Thanks,</div><div style=3D"font-s=
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I am not aware of any undisclosed IPR relevant to this draft.

Cheers!

Ed

On 5/11/16, 8:04 AM, "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:

>Working Group,
>
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon-03 has been
>requested for PALS working group last call.
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>We will conduct an IPR poll before the last call is started.
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>
>If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
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Hi Greg

Thanks for your comments. Please see inline.


From: Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com<mailto:gregory.mirsky@eri=
csson.com>>
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1:55 PM
To: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com<mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>>, "pals@=
ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.org>" <pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.org>>, "dra=
ft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org<mailto:draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-p=
ing@ietf.org>" <draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org<mailto:draft-jain=
-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org>>
Subject: RE: [Pals] IPR poll for draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping
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Resent-To: Parag Jain <paragj@cisco.com<mailto:paragj@cisco.com>>, <sboutro=
s@vmware.com<mailto:sboutros@vmware.com>>, <aldrin.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:al=
drin.ietf@gmail.com>>
Resent-Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 1:55 PM

Dear Authors, et. al,
though the adoption call had not yet started, please consider my notes in t=
he that context.
I've read the draft and support its adoption.
Now to comments:

=B7         Introduction states "P2MP PWs are carried over P2MP MPLS LSP". =
But RFC 7338 states that p2mp PW MAY support return path which makes it bi-=
directional or E-Tree-like. Then p2mp LSP cannot serve as transport since  =
MPLS LSPs, in general, are unidirectional objects. Even in MPLS-TP p2mp LSP=
 is unidirectional and only p2p LSP may be bidirectional. Should it be a tu=
nnel, rather than MPLS LSP?

The available solutions for p2mp PW ride on p2mp MPLS LSPs today, as per so=
lution draft/rfc in pals and bess, we are providing OAM service for those s=
olutions.


=B7         I think that it would be beneficial to discuss and demonstrate =
why FEC 129 PW cannot be used, re-used for p2mp PW.

=B7         could appropriate p2p LSP FEC and p2mp pw FEC be combined?

The current solution draft in pals uses FEC130, we simply providing LSP Pin=
g support for the new FEC as per the solution draft.


=B7         Section 5:

o   Is IPv4 the only address family to be supported? AFAIK, IPv6 address fa=
mily may be used as well and thus ACH 0x0057 used

that's right. If the ping is using ipv6 dresses, will use ACH 0x0057. Will =
update the draft.


o   There's no need to use GAL when sending OAM packets over PW VCCV as PW =
ACH identifies the PW VCCV

GAL is as well one of the mechanisms that can be used with OAM packets.


=B7         Which return paths can be used for Echo Reply? I believe that b=
ecause RFC 7338 states that p2mp PW may be bi-directional, there may be alt=
ernative to Reply Mode value 2, i.e. out-band reply over IPv4/IPv6 network.

The reply can be out  of band using ipv4/ipv6 or p2p pw from leaf to root n=
ode if root node signalled optional p2p pw. Will update the draft.

Thanks
Parag


Regards,
                        Greg

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Subject: [Pals] IPR poll for draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping

Working Group,

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01 has been
requested for PALS working group adoption.

We will conduct an IPR poll before the adoption poll is started.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

There are no IPR disclosures currently filed against this document.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG email list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the PALS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

This call will remain open until we've heard back from all of the authors a=
nd contributors.

Thanks,
Andy

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dear Authors, et. al,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">though the adoption call had not ye=
t started, please consider my notes in the that context.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I&#8217;ve read the draft and suppo=
rt its adoption.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Now to comments:<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125);"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font-styl=
e: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-=
height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Introduction states &#8=
220;P2MP PWs are carried over P2MP MPLS LSP&#8221;. But RFC 7338 states tha=
t p2mp PW MAY support return path which makes
 it bi-directional or E-Tree-like. Then p2mp LSP cannot serve as transport =
since &nbsp;MPLS LSPs, in general, are unidirectional objects. Even in MPLS=
-TP p2mp LSP is unidirectional and only p2p LSP may be bidirectional. Shoul=
d it be a tunnel, rather than MPLS LSP?</span></p>
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<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px;">
The available solutions for p2mp PW ride on p2mp MPLS LSPs today, as per so=
lution draft/rfc in pals and bess, we are providing OAM service for those s=
olutions.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px;">
<br>
</div>
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: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
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<div xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micro=
soft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" x=
mlns:x=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas=
.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html4=
0">
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<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo1"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; c=
olor: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125);"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font-styl=
e: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-=
height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I think that it would b=
e beneficial to discuss and demonstrate why FEC 129 PW cannot be used, re-u=
sed for p2mp PW.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125);"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font-styl=
e: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-=
height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">could appropriate p2p L=
SP FEC and p2mp pw FEC be combined?</span></p>
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</span>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px;">
The current solution draft in pals uses FEC130, we simply providing LSP Pin=
g support for the new FEC as per the solution draft.&nbsp;</div>
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ize: 14px;">
<br>
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soft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" x=
mlns:x=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas=
.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html4=
0">
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<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo1"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; c=
olor: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125);"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font-styl=
e: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-=
height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Section 5:<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Courier New&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span sty=
le=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-s=
ize: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Is IPv4 the only addres=
s family to be supported? AFAIK, IPv6 address family may be used as well an=
d thus ACH 0x0057 used</span></p>
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</span>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px;">
<font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">that&#8217;s right. If the ping is using =
ipv6 dresses, will use ACH 0x0057. Will update the draft.</font></div>
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ize: 14px;">
<font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
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<div xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micro=
soft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" x=
mlns:x=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas=
.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html4=
0">
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<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rg=
b(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Courier New&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span sty=
le=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-s=
ize: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There&#8217;s no need t=
o use GAL when sending OAM packets over PW VCCV as PW ACH identifies the PW=
 VCCV</span></p>
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</blockquote>
</span>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px;">
GAL is as well one of the mechanisms that can be used with OAM packets.</di=
v>
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ize: 14px;">
<br>
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: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
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soft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" x=
mlns:x=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas=
.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html4=
0">
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<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in=
;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rg=
b(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125);"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font-styl=
e: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-=
height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Which return paths can =
be used for Echo Reply? I believe that because RFC 7338 states that p2mp PW=
 may be bi-directional, there may
 be alternative to Reply Mode value 2, i.e. out-band reply over IPv4/IPv6 n=
etwork.</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</span>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">The reply can be&nbsp;</font>out &nb=
sp;of band using ipv4/ipv6 or p2p pw from leaf to root node if root node si=
gnalled optional p2p pw. Will update the draft.</div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">Thanks</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">Parag</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
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1 lfo1"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; c=
olor: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Regards=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Greg<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri=
, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Taho=
ma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-famil=
y: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> Pals [<a href=3D"mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org">mai=
lto:pals-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew G. Malis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 09, 2016 7:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org">pals@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"m=
ailto:draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org">
draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Pals] IPR poll for draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Working Group,<br>
<br>
</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-p=
ing-01">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01</a>=
&nbsp;has been&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">requested for&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">=
PALS</span>&nbsp;working group adoption.<br>
<br>
We will conduct an&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">IPR</span>&nbsp;<s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">poll</span>&nbsp;before the adoption poll&nb=
sp;is started.<br>
<br>
Are you aware of any&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">IPR</span>&nbsp;=
that applies to&nbsp;draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping?<br>
<br>
If so, has this&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">IPR</span>&nbsp;been =
disclosed in compliance with IETF&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">IPR=
</span>&nbsp;rules<br>
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?<br>
<br>
There are no&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">IPR</span>&nbsp;disclosu=
res currently filed against this document.<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<br>
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">IPR</span>. *The response needs to be sent=
 to the&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PALS</span>&nbsp;WG email lis=
t.* The<br>
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PALS</span>&nbsp;WG=
 email list but are not listed as an author or<br>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br=
>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">IPR</span>&nbsp;that has not yet been disc=
losed in conformance with IETF rules.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi all,
I'm not aware of any undisclosed IPR that is relevant to this draft.
B.R.
Weiqiang Cheng

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: IPR poll for draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon
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> Working Group,
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> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon-03 has been 
> requested for PALS working group last call.
> 
> We will conduct an IPR poll before the last call is started.
> 
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon?
> 
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules 
> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?
> 
> Note that there is one IPR disclosure currently filed against this 
> document
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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Seamless BFD for VCCV'
  (draft-ietf-pals-seamless-vccv-03.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services
Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah
Brungard.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-seamless-vccv/





Technical Summary

 This document extends the procedures and Connectivity Verification (CV) types
already defined for Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for Virtual Circuit
Connectivity Verification (VCCV) to define Seamless BFD (S-BFD) for VCCV. 
It updates RFC 5885, extending the CV Values and the Capability Selection, and
is thus being submitted to be a Proposed Standard.

Working Group Summary

The draft has been non-controversial and there were no objections to consensus at any point.
 
Document Quality

 The draft is externally cited by a CableLabs document, Data-Over-Cable
Service Interface Specifications DCA - MHAv2
( http://www.cablelabs.com/wp-content/uploads/specdocs/CM-SP-R-DEPI-I03-161021.pdf )
as a MUST for portions of its functionality. To my knowledge it has not yet been
implemented, as it has not received IANA early allocations, but it is in at least
one vendor's roadmap once the allocations have been made.

Personnel

The document shepherd is Andy Malis.
The responsible Area Director is Deborah Brungard.


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Hi

I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to the draft.

Thanks,

/Yimin Shen

> On May 11, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Working Group,
>=20
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon-03 has been
> requested for PALS working group last call.
>=20
> We will conduct an IPR poll before the last call is started.
>=20
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon?
>=20
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?
>=20
> Note that there is one IPR disclosure currently filed against this docume=
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<div><b>From:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:agmalis@gmail.com">Andrew G. Malis=
</a></div>
<div><b>Date:</b>&nbsp;2016-05-11&nbsp;20:04</div>
<div><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org">pals@ietf.org</a>; <a=
 href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon@ietf.org">
draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon@ietf.org</a></div>
<div><b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;[Pals] IPR poll for draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:13px">Working Group,</span><br st=
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<br style=3D"font-size:13px">
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon-03">https://t=
ools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon-03</a>&nbsp;has been&nbsp;
<div>requested for&nbsp;PALS&nbsp;working group last call.<br>
<br>
We will conduct an&nbsp;IPR&nbsp;poll&nbsp;before the last call is started.=
<br>
<br>
Are you aware of any&nbsp;IPR&nbsp;that applies to&nbsp;draft-ietf-pals-mc-=
pon?<br>
<br>
If so, has this&nbsp;IPR&nbsp;been disclosed in compliance with IETF&nbsp;I=
PR&nbsp;rules<br>
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?<br>
<br>
Note that there is one IPR disclosure currently filed against this document=
.</div>
<div>This does not need to be re-disclosed.<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi=
s<br>
email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any additional relevant=
<br>
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the&nbsp;PALS&nbsp;WG email list.* T=
he<br>
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the&nbsp;PALS&nbsp;WG email list but are not listed as an aut=
hor or<br>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br=
>
IPR&nbsp;that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.</d=
iv>
<div style=3D"font-size:13px"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:13px">This call will remain open until we=A1=AFve h=
eard back from all of the authors and&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:13px">contributors.<br>
<br>
Thanks,</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:13px">Andy</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:13px"><br>
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Resending to the WG list - a typo in the address in the previous message

Regards,
Sasha

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From: Alexander Vainshtein
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 1:19 PM
To: Andrew G. Malis (agmalis@gmail.com); Stewart Bryant (stewart.bryant@gma=
il.com); Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) (cpignata@cisco.com)
Cc: 'pals@iietf.org'
Subject: Mandatory Encapsulation for BFD in VCCV is lacking in RFC 5885?

Andy, Stewart, Carlos and all,
I would highly appreciate your feedback on the following issue.
( I do not know Tom's current email address and so cannot send this email t=
o him directly.)

As you surely remember RFC 5885<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5885>   has =
defined two possible encapsulations for BFD in VCCV:

1.       Encapsulation that uses IP and UDP headers. To the best of my unde=
rstanding this encapsulation can be used with any VCCV type

2.       "Raw" BFD in VCCV. This encapsulation relies on the dedicated ACH =
type to identify BFD packets and hence can be only used with VCCV Type 1 an=
d VCCV Type 4.

However, I did not find any indication in RFC 5885 as to which BFD in VCCV =
encapsulation MUST be supported.
This can easily result in an interoperability problem where two PEs claim  =
to support the same set of VCCV Types and BFD in VCCV, but are not interope=
rable because they support different encapsulations for BFD in VCCV.

If you agree that this is a real issue, how should it be handled? Is it a c=
ase for just  a Technical Erratum, or is a new draft required?
And, last but not least, which encapsulation should be declared as mandator=
y to implement?

Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,
Sasha

Office: +972-39266302
Cell:      +972-549266302
Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com<mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecite=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Sasha<o:p></o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Office: &#43;972-39266=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cell:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Email:&nbsp;&nbsp; Ale=
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r Vainshtein
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 15, 2016 1:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew G. Malis (agmalis@gmail.com); Stewart Bryant (stewart.bry=
ant@gmail.com); Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) (cpignata@cisco.com)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'pals@iietf.org'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Mandatory Encapsulation for BFD in VCCV is lacking in RFC 5=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy, Stewart, Carlos and all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would highly appreciate your feedback on the follo=
wing issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">( I do not know Tom&#8217;s current email address an=
d so cannot send this email to him directly.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As you surely remember <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf=
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RFC 5885</a> &nbsp;&nbsp;has defined two possible encapsulations for BFD in=
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nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Encapsulation that uses IP=
 and UDP headers. To the best of my understanding this encapsulation can be=
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
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=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>&#8220;Raw&#8221; BFD in V=
CCV. This encapsulation relies on the dedicated ACH type to identify BFD pa=
ckets and hence can be only used with VCCV Type 1 and VCCV Type 4.<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">However, I did not find any indication in RFC 5885 a=
s to which BFD in VCCV encapsulation MUST be supported.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This can easily result in an interoperability proble=
m where two PEs claim &nbsp;to support the same set of VCCV Types and BFD i=
n VCCV, but are not interoperable because they support different encapsulat=
ions for BFD in VCCV.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you agree that this is a real issue, how should i=
t be handled? Is it a case for just &nbsp;a Technical Erratum, or is a new =
draft required?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">And, last but not least, which encapsulation should =
be declared as mandatory to implement?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sasha<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Office: &#43;972-39266302<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cell:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;972-5492663=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Email:&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"mailto:Alexander.Vains=
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Sasha,

> On May 15, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Alexander Vainshtein =
<Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote:
>=20
> Andy, Stewart, Carlos and all,
> I would highly appreciate your feedback on the following issue.
> ( I do not know Tom=E2=80=99s current email address and so cannot send =
this email to him directly.)
>=20
> As you surely remember RFC 5885 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5885>  =
 has defined two possible encapsulations for BFD in VCCV:
> 1.       Encapsulation that uses IP and UDP headers. To the best of my =
understanding this encapsulation can be used with any VCCV type
> 2.       =E2=80=9CRaw=E2=80=9D BFD in VCCV. This encapsulation relies =
on the dedicated ACH type to identify BFD packets and hence can be only =
used with VCCV Type 1 and VCCV Type 4.
>=20
> However, I did not find any indication in RFC 5885 as to which BFD in =
VCCV encapsulation MUST be supported.
> This can easily result in an interoperability problem where two PEs =
claim  to support the same set of VCCV Types and BFD in VCCV, but are =
not interoperable because they support different encapsulations for BFD =
in VCCV.

This is incorrect. The different encapsulations have different CV Types, =
hence no such Interop confusion is possible. Claiming support (e.g., =
documentation) for =E2=80=9CBFD over VCCV=E2=80=9D ought to clarify if =
BFD PW-ACH-encapsulated, BFD IP/UDP-encapsulated, or both.

>=20
> If you agree that this is a real issue, how should it be handled? Is =
it a case for just  a Technical Erratum, or is a new draft required?

Have you found this potential issue when implementing?

This has not proven to be an issue.

In addition, an update like that cannot be undertaken by an Erratum.

Please read the guidelines at =
http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/errata-processing.html and the =
pointers at https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata.php

Thanks,

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

> And, last but not least, which encapsulation should be declared as =
mandatory to implement?
>=20
> Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,
> Sasha
>=20
> Office: +972-39266302
> Cell:      +972-549266302
> Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com =
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class=3D"">Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Andy, Stewart, Carlos and =
all,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I would =
highly appreciate your feedback on the following issue.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">( I do =
not know Tom=E2=80=99s current email address and so cannot send this =
email to him directly.)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">As you surely remember<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5885" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">RFC 5885</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;has defined two =
possible encapsulations for BFD in VCCV:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">1.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span><span =
dir=3D"LTR" class=3D""></span>Encapsulation that uses IP and UDP =
headers. To the best of my understanding this encapsulation can be used =
with any VCCV type<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">2.<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman';" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span><span =
dir=3D"LTR" class=3D""></span>=E2=80=9CRaw=E2=80=9D BFD in VCCV. This =
encapsulation relies on the dedicated ACH type to identify BFD packets =
and hence can be only used with VCCV Type 1 and VCCV Type 4.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">However, =
I did not find any indication in RFC 5885 as to which BFD in VCCV =
encapsulation MUST be supported.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">This can easily result in an =
interoperability problem where two PEs claim &nbsp;to support the same =
set of VCCV Types and BFD in VCCV, but are not interoperable because =
they support different encapsulations for BFD in =
VCCV.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div><div>This =
is incorrect. The different encapsulations have different CV Types, =
hence no such Interop confusion is possible. Claiming support (e.g., =
documentation) for =E2=80=9CBFD over VCCV=E2=80=9D ought to clarify =
if&nbsp;BFD PW-ACH-encapsulated,&nbsp;BFD IP/UDP-encapsulated, or =
both.</div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">If you =
agree that this is a real issue, how should it be handled? Is it a case =
for just &nbsp;a Technical Erratum, or is a new draft =
required?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Have you found this potential issue when =
implementing?</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>This has not proven to =
be an issue.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>In addition, an update =
like that cannot be undertaken by an Erratum.&nbsp;</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Please read the guidelines at&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/errata-processing.html" =
class=3D"">http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/errata-processing.html</a> =
and the pointers at <a href=3D"https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata.php" =
class=3D"">https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata.php</a></div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>=E2=80=94=
 Carlos.</div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">And, last =
but not least, which encapsulation should be declared as mandatory to =
implement?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Sasha<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Office: =
+972-39266302<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
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class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
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class=3D"">Email:&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
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From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com>
To: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>
Thread-Topic: Mandatory Encapsulation for BFD in VCCV is lacking in RFC 5885?
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Sasha,

Are you seeing this "interop issue" (as you describe) when implementing? Se=
ction 3.3 explains the considerations and requirements regarding each of th=
e two encapsulations.

Again, there's no "interop" issue at all in RFC 5885. There are different c=
ode points signaled for the two encaps, and only the intersection is consid=
ered. Then there's a specific selection criteria of there are multiple poss=
ible.

Further, in the case of RFC 5885, defining an MTI does not make sense: some=
 PWs will use a CW and some might not. What's Implementing in a mandatory w=
ay a PW-ACH encapsulation when there's no CW? And why mandate an IP encap w=
hen most PWs will use a CW?

LDP runs over IPv4 as well as IPv6. Which one of those two is MTI? What if =
there's an IPv6 only stack implementing LDP? Can you point to an actual req=
uirement to specify an MTI in every spec?

Thumb typed by Carlos Pignataro.
Excuze typofraphicak errows

On May 16, 2016, at 00:54, Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecite=
le.com<mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>> wrote:


Carlos,
Lots of thanks for a prompt response.

The interoperability issue is quite real: there are devices supporting only=
 IP/UDP-based encapsulation and there are devices supporting only raw one. =
So there is no way for such a pair of devices to run BFD in VCCV on a PW th=
ey set up between them.

It has been my understanding that IETF protocols providing multiple incompa=
tible implementation options options always specify one of these options as=
 MUST to implement to assure that any two implementatuons claiming "complia=
nce to the RFC" would be able to interop my using this option.

My problem is that this is not true for 5885.

I also agree that this is not the case fir an Erratum, and I have doubts re=
garding the MUST to implement encapsulation.

But from my POV the problem is there?.

Regards,

Thumb typed on my cellphone
Regards,
Sasha

-------- Original Message --------
From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com<mailto:cpignata@cis=
co.com>>
Date: Mon, May 16, 2016 3:09 AM +0300
To: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com<mailto:Alexander=
.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>>
CC: "Andrew G. Malis (agmalis@gmail.com<mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>)" <agmali=
s@gmail.com<mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>>, "Stewart Bryant (stewart.bryant@gma=
il.com<mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com>)" <stewart.bryant@gmail.com<mailto:=
stewart.bryant@gmail.com>>, pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Mandatory Encapsulation for BFD in VCCV is lacking in RFC 5885=
?



Sasha,

On May 15, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@eci=
tele.com<mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>> wrote:

Andy, Stewart, Carlos and all,
I would highly appreciate your feedback on the following issue.
( I do not know Tom's current email address and so cannot send this email t=
o him directly.)

As you surely remember RFC 5885<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5885>   has =
defined two possible encapsulations for BFD in VCCV:
1.       Encapsulation that uses IP and UDP headers. To the best of my unde=
rstanding this encapsulation can be used with any VCCV type
2.       "Raw" BFD in VCCV. This encapsulation relies on the dedicated ACH =
type to identify BFD packets and hence can be only used with VCCV Type 1 an=
d VCCV Type 4.

However, I did not find any indication in RFC 5885 as to which BFD in VCCV =
encapsulation MUST be supported.
This can easily result in an interoperability problem where two PEs claim  =
to support the same set of VCCV Types and BFD in VCCV, but are not interope=
rable because they support different encapsulations for BFD in VCCV.

This is incorrect. The different encapsulations have different CV Types, he=
nce no such Interop confusion is possible. Claiming support (e.g., document=
ation) for "BFD over VCCV" ought to clarify if BFD PW-ACH-encapsulated, BFD=
 IP/UDP-encapsulated, or both.


If you agree that this is a real issue, how should it be handled? Is it a c=
ase for just  a Technical Erratum, or is a new draft required?

Have you found this potential issue when implementing?

This has not proven to be an issue.

In addition, an update like that cannot be undertaken by an Erratum.

Please read the guidelines at http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/errata-pro=
cessing.html and the pointers at https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata.php

Thanks,

- Carlos.

And, last but not least, which encapsulation should be declared as mandator=
y to implement?

Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,
Sasha

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<div>Sasha,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Are you seeing this &quot;interop issue&quot; (as you describe) when i=
mplementing? Section 3.3 explains the considerations and requirements regar=
ding each of the two encapsulations.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>Again, there's no &quot;interop&quot; issue at all in RFC 5885. There =
are different code points signaled for the two encaps, and only the interse=
ction is considered. Then there's a specific selection criteria of there ar=
e multiple possible.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Further, in the case of RFC 5885, defining an MTI does not make sense:=
 some PWs will use a CW and some might not. What's Implementing in a mandat=
ory way a PW-ACH encapsulation when there's no CW? And why mandate an IP en=
cap when most PWs will use a CW?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LDP runs ove=
r IPv4 as well as IPv6. Which one of those two is MTI? What if there's an I=
Pv6 only stack implementing LDP? Can you point to an actual requirement to =
specify an MTI in every spec?</span></div>
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<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color:=
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On May 16, 2016, at 00:54, Alexander Vainshtein &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Alexa=
nder.Vainshtein@ecitele.com">Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com</a>&gt; wrote=
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<pre style=3D"word-wrap:break-word; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma; c=
olor:black">Carlos,
Lots of thanks for a prompt response.

The interoperability issue is quite real: there are devices supporting only=
 IP/UDP-based encapsulation and there are devices supporting only raw one. =
So there is no way for such a pair of devices to run BFD in VCCV on a PW th=
ey set up between them.

It has been my understanding that IETF protocols providing multiple incompa=
tible implementation options options always specify one of these options as=
 MUST to implement to assure that any two implementatuons claiming &quot;co=
mpliance to the RFC&quot; would be able to interop my using this option.

My problem is that this is not true for 5885.

I also agree that this is not the case fir an Erratum, and I have doubts re=
garding the MUST to implement encapsulation.

But from my POV the problem is there&#55357;&#56841;.

Regards,

Thumb typed on my cellphone
Regards,
Sasha

-------- Original Message --------
From: &quot;Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cpignat=
a@cisco.com">cpignata@cisco.com</a>&gt;
Date: Mon, May 16, 2016 3:09 AM &#43;0300
To: Alexander Vainshtein &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele=
.com">Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com</a>&gt;
CC: &quot;Andrew G. Malis (<a href=3D"mailto:agmalis@gmail.com">agmalis@gma=
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m</a>&gt;, &quot;Stewart Bryant (<a href=3D"mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com=
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gmail.com">stewart.bryant@gmail.com</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.or=
g">pals@ietf.org</a>
Subject: Re: Mandatory Encapsulation for BFD in VCCV is lacking in RFC 5885=
?

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<div>Sasha,
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">On May 15, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Alexander Vainshtein &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com" class=3D"">Alexander.Vainsht=
ein@ecitele.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px;=
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; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:norma=
l; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
Andy, Stewart, Carlos and all,</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
I would highly appreciate your feedback on the following issue.</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
( I do not know Tom&#8217;s current email address and so cannot send this e=
mail to him directly.)</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
As you surely remember<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a=
 href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5885" class=3D"" style=3D"color:pur=
ple; text-decoration:underline">RFC 5885</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-=
space">&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;has defined two possible encapsulations
 for BFD in VCCV:</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size:11pt; font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif; text-indent:-18pt">
<span class=3D"">1.<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight=
:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:'Times New Roman'">=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&=
nbsp;</span></span></span><span dir=3D"LTR" class=3D""></span>Encapsulation=
 that
 uses IP and UDP headers. To the best of my understanding this encapsulatio=
n can be used with any VCCV type</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size:11pt; font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif; text-indent:-18pt">
<span class=3D"">2.<span class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight=
:normal; font-size:7pt; line-height:normal; font-family:'Times New Roman'">=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&=
nbsp;</span></span></span><span dir=3D"LTR" class=3D""></span>&#8220;Raw&#8=
221; BFD in VCCV.
 This encapsulation relies on the dedicated ACH type to identify BFD packet=
s and hence can be only used with VCCV Type 1 and VCCV Type 4.</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
However, I did not find any indication in RFC 5885 as to which BFD in VCCV =
encapsulation MUST be supported.</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
This can easily result in an interoperability problem where two PEs claim &=
nbsp;to support the same set of VCCV Types and BFD in VCCV, but are not int=
eroperable because they support different encapsulations for BFD in VCCV.</=
div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div>This is incorrect. The different encapsulations have different CV Type=
s, hence no such Interop confusion is possible. Claiming support (e.g., doc=
umentation) for &#8220;BFD over VCCV&#8221; ought to clarify if&nbsp;BFD PW=
-ACH-encapsulated,&nbsp;BFD IP/UDP-encapsulated, or both.</div>
<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px;=
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; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:norma=
l; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
If you agree that this is a real issue, how should it be handled? Is it a c=
ase for just &nbsp;a Technical Erratum, or is a new draft required?</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div>Have you found this potential issue when implementing?</div>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div>This has not proven to be an issue.</div>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div>In addition, an update like that cannot be undertaken by an Erratum.&n=
bsp;</div>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div>Please read the guidelines at&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/iesg=
/statement/errata-processing.html" class=3D"">http://www.ietf.org/iesg/stat=
ement/errata-processing.html</a> and the pointers at
<a href=3D"https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata.php" class=3D"">https://www.rf=
c-editor.org/errata.php</a></div>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div>&#8212; Carlos.</div>
<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px;=
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; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:norma=
l; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
And, last but not least, which encapsulation should be declared as mandator=
y to implement?</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,</div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:11pt; font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
Sasha</div>
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ly:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</div>
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Title: Update on MPLS-TP protection work in MPLS and PALS working groups
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From: "Scott Mansfield" <Scott.Mansfield@Ericsson.com>
To: tsbsg15@itu.int, tom.huber@coriant.com, lihan@chinamobile.com
Cc: Alvaro Retana <aretana@cisco.com>,Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>,itu-t-liaison@iab.org,Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List <mpls@ietf.org>,Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>,Scott Mansfield <Scott.Mansfield@Ericsson.com>,George Swallow <swallow.ietf@gmail.com>,Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Discussion List <pals@ietf.org>,John Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>,Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>,Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>,Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>,Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>,
Response Contacts: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>,George Swallow <swallow.ietf@gmail.com>,Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>,Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>,Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
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Purpose: In response

Referenced liaison: LS on work on MPLS-TP protection (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1462/)

Body: The MPLS and PALS Working Groups are pleased to hear about the continued progress on the MPLS Transport Profile and continued alignment with IETF RFCs.

We confirm that "MPLS-TP Shared-Ring protection (MSRP) mechanism for ring topology” 
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection)
is progressing in the MPLS WG, and invite comments on this draft to the MPLS WG mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). In addition, we are also progressing a draft on "Resilient MPLS Rings" 
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-rmr).

The PALS WG currently has two drafts in progress that are relevant to MPLS-TP pseudowire linear protection:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection

These drafts provide a fast protection mechanism for MPLS-TP PWs to protect dual-homed CEs against failures of their attachment circuits or PE routers. The drafts are ongoing work and were very recently updated. 
We hope to complete work on these drafts by the upcoming IETF meeting in Berlin on July 17-22, 2016, and would very much appreciate SG15’s review and comments to the pals@ietf.org email list.

We are also pleased to hear about the second amendment to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382, "Linear protection switching for MPLS transport profile."

In addition to maintaining communication with liaisons, please engage on the MPLS WG mailing list (mpls@ietf.org) and PALS WG mailing list
(pals@ietf.org) which provide a more timely view of the state of the work.

MPLS and PALS wg co-chairs

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Title: SG15-LS352: LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014)
Submission Date: 2016-05-20
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1477/
Please reply by 2016-09-19
From: "Tom Huber" <tom.huber@coriant.com>
To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>,George Swallow <swallow.ietf@gmail.com>,Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>,Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>,Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Cc: Alvaro Retana <aretana@cisco.com>,Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>,Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List <mpls@ietf.org>,Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>,Scott Mansfield <Scott.Mansfield@Ericsson.com>,George Swallow <swallow.ietf@gmail.com>,Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Discussion List <pals@ietf.org>,John Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>,Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>,Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>,Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>,Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>,itu-t-liaison@iab.org,
Response Contacts: tom.huber@coriant.com, lihan@chinamobile.com
Technical Contacts: 
Purpose: For action

Body: ITU-T Q9/15 wishes to inform the IETF MPLS WG of our intent to initiate the approval process for Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) at the September 2016 meeting of Study Group 15. This amendment adds material on linear protection switching for pseudowires based on RFC 7771. The current draft of the amendment is attached. We would appreciate any comments you may have on this document in advance of our next meeting, which will be held in Geneva, 19-30 September 2016.

We also thank the MPLS WG and PALS WG for the updates you provided concerning your work on MPLS-TP shared protection rings, resilient MPLS rings, and dual homed pseudowire protection, and have encouraged those SG15 participants who are interested in this work to participate on the relevant IETF mailing lists.
Attachments:

    LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014)
    https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to-consent-amendment-2-to-recommendation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-1.pdf

    Draft Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) (for Consent, 30 September 2016)
    https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to-consent-amendment-2-to-recommendation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-2.pdf


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All,

As this liaison is primarily concerned with pseudowire protection switching
and refers to a PALS RFC, we=E2=80=99ll use the PALS email list to coordina=
te a
response. Please send any comments that you may have on Draft Amendment 2
to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) to pals@ietf.org, and we=E2=80=
=99ll
use received comments to draft a response.

Thanks,
Andy


On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Liaison Statement Management Tool <
lsmt@ietf.org> wrote:

> Title: SG15-LS352: LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to
> Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014)
> Submission Date: 2016-05-20
> URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1477/
> Please reply by 2016-09-19
> From: "Tom Huber" <tom.huber@coriant.com>
> To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>,George Swallow <swallow.ietf@gmail.com>,Ros=
s
> Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>,Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>,Stewart
> Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
> Cc: Alvaro Retana <aretana@cisco.com>,Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>,M=
ultiprotocol
> Label Switching Discussion List <mpls@ietf.org>,Stewart Bryant <
> stewart.bryant@gmail.com>,Scott Mansfield <Scott.Mansfield@Ericsson.com>,=
George
> Swallow <swallow.ietf@gmail.com>,Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services
> Discussion List <pals@ietf.org>,John Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>,Alia
> Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>,Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>,Ross Callon <
> rcallon@juniper.net>,Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>,itu-t-liaison@iab.org,
> Response Contacts: tom.huber@coriant.com, lihan@chinamobile.com
> Technical Contacts:
> Purpose: For action
>
> Body: ITU-T Q9/15 wishes to inform the IETF MPLS WG of our intent to
> initiate the approval process for Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T
> G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) at the September 2016 meeting of Study Group 15. Thi=
s
> amendment adds material on linear protection switching for pseudowires
> based on RFC 7771. The current draft of the amendment is attached. We wou=
ld
> appreciate any comments you may have on this document in advance of our
> next meeting, which will be held in Geneva, 19-30 September 2016.
>
> We also thank the MPLS WG and PALS WG for the updates you provided
> concerning your work on MPLS-TP shared protection rings, resilient MPLS
> rings, and dual homed pseudowire protection, and have encouraged those SG=
15
> participants who are interested in this work to participate on the releva=
nt
> IETF mailing lists.
> Attachments:
>
>     LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T
> G.8131/Y.1382 (2014)
>
> https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg=
-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to-consent-amendment-2-to-recommen=
dation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-1.pdf
>
>     Draft Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) (for
> Consent, 30 September 2016)
>
> https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg=
-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to-consent-amendment-2-to-recommen=
dation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-2.pdf
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>As this liaison is primarily conce=
rned with pseudowire protection switching and refers to a PALS RFC, we=E2=
=80=99ll use the PALS email list to coordinate a response. Please send any =
comments that you may have on=C2=A0Draft Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-=
T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) to <a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org">pals@ietf.org</a=
>, and we=E2=80=99ll use received comments to draft a response.</div><div><=
br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:=
46 PM, Liaison Statement Management Tool <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:lsmt@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">lsmt@ietf.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Title: SG15-LS352: LS on intention to Con=
sent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014)<br>
Submission Date: 2016-05-20<br>
URL of the IETF Web page: <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1=
477/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/lia=
ison/1477/</a><br>
Please reply by 2016-09-19<br>
From: &quot;Tom Huber&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.huber@coriant.com">to=
m.huber@coriant.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: Loa Andersson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;,George=
 Swallow &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:swallow.ietf@gmail.com">swallow.ietf@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;,Ross Callon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rcallon@juniper.net">rcallon@j=
uniper.net</a>&gt;,Andrew Malis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:agmalis@gmail.com">ag=
malis@gmail.com</a>&gt;,Stewart Bryant &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stewart.bryant=
@gmail.com">stewart.bryant@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: Alvaro Retana &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aretana@cisco.com">aretana@cisco.co=
m</a>&gt;,Deborah Brungard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:db3546@att.com">db3546@att=
.com</a>&gt;,Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>&gt;,Stewart Bryant &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com">stewart.bryant@gmail.com</a>&gt;,Scott Mansf=
ield &lt;Scott.Mansfield@Ericsson.com&gt;,George Swallow &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:swallow.ietf@gmail.com">swallow.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;,Pseudowire And L=
DP-enabled Services Discussion List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org">pa=
ls@ietf.org</a>&gt;,John Drake &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jdrake@juniper.net">jd=
rake@juniper.net</a>&gt;,Alia Atlas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:akatlas@gmail.com=
">akatlas@gmail.com</a>&gt;,Andrew Malis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:agmalis@gmai=
l.com">agmalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;,Ross Callon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rcallon@=
juniper.net">rcallon@juniper.net</a>&gt;,Loa Andersson &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;,<a href=3D"mailto:itu-t-liaison@iab.org">itu=
-t-liaison@iab.org</a>,<br>
Response Contacts: <a href=3D"mailto:tom.huber@coriant.com">tom.huber@coria=
nt.com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:lihan@chinamobile.com">lihan@chinamobile.com<=
/a><br>
Technical Contacts:<br>
Purpose: For action<br>
<br>
Body: ITU-T Q9/15 wishes to inform the IETF MPLS WG of our intent to initia=
te the approval process for Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.13=
82 (2014) at the September 2016 meeting of Study Group 15. This amendment a=
dds material on linear protection switching for pseudowires based on RFC 77=
71. The current draft of the amendment is attached. We would appreciate any=
 comments you may have on this document in advance of our next meeting, whi=
ch will be held in Geneva, 19-30 September 2016.<br>
<br>
We also thank the MPLS WG and PALS WG for the updates you provided concerni=
ng your work on MPLS-TP shared protection rings, resilient MPLS rings, and =
dual homed pseudowire protection, and have encouraged those SG15 participan=
ts who are interested in this work to participate on the relevant IETF mail=
ing lists.<br>
Attachments:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-=
T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liai=
son-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to-consent-=
amendment-2-to-recommendation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-1.pdf" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIA=
ISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to=
-consent-amendment-2-to-recommendation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-1.p=
df</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Draft Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014=
) (for Consent, 30 September 2016)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liai=
son-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to-consent-=
amendment-2-to-recommendation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-2.pdf" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIA=
ISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to=
-consent-amendment-2-to-recommendation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-2.p=
df</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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PALSers,

Please consider volunteering for NomCom, see below for details. It=E2=80=99=
s an
important service for the IETF.

Thanks,
Andy

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: NomCom Chair 2016 <nomcom-chair-2016@ietf.org>
Date: Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:06 PM
Subject: NomCom 2016-2017 Call for Volunteers
To: IETF Announcement List <ietf-announce@ietf.org>


Subject: NomCom 2016-2017 Call for Volunteers

The IETF nomcom appoints folks to fill the open slots on the IAOC, the IAB,
and
the IESG.

Ten voting members for the nomcom are selected in a verifiably random way
from
a pool of volunteers. The more volunteers, the better chance we have of
choosing
a random yet representative cross section of the IETF population.

The details of the operation of the nomcom can be found in RFC 7437, and
BCP10/RFC3797 details the selection algorithm.

Volunteers must have attended 3 of the past 5 IETF meetings.  As specified
in
RFC 7437, that means three out of the five past meetings up to the time thi=
s
email announcement goes out to start the solicitation of volunteers. The
five
meetings out of which you must have attended *three* are:

IETF =3D 91 (Honolulu)      \
       92 (Dallas)         \
       93 (Prague)          -*** ANY THREE!
       94 (Yokohama)       /
       95 (Buenos Aires)  /


If you qualify, please volunteer. Before you decide to volunteer, please
remember that anyone appointed to this Nomcom will not be considered as a
candidate for any of the positions that the 2016 - 2017 Nomcom is
responsible
for filling.

Some 229 people have already volunteered by ticking the box on the IETF 95
registration form. 131 of these have been verified as eligible. I will
contact
all of these shortly. Thank you for volunteering!

The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2017 IETF
meeting,
and thus the positions for which this nomcom is responsible, are

IAOC:

    Lou Berger

IAB:

    Ralph Droms
    Russ Housley
    Robert Sparks
    Andrew Sullivan
    Dave Thaler
    Suzanne Woolf

IESG:

    Jari Arkko (GEN)
    Deborah Brungard (RTG)
    Ben Campbell (ART)
    Spencer Dawkins (TSV)
    Stephen Farrell (SEC)
    Joel Jaeggli (OPS)
    Terry Manderson (INT)
    Alvaro Retana (RTG)


All appointments are for 2 years. The ART and Routing areas have 3 ADs and
the
General area has 1; all other areas have 2 ADs. Thus, all areas (with the
exception of GEN) have at least one continuing AD.

The primary activity for this nomcom will begin in July 2016 and should be
completed in January 2017.   The nomcom will have regularly scheduled
conference
calls to ensure progress. There will be activities to collect requirements
from
the community, review candidate questionnaires, review feedback from
community
members about candidates, and talk to candidates.

While being a nomcom member does require some time commitment it is also a
very
rewarding experience.

As a member of the nomcom it is very important that you be able to attend
IETF97
(Seoul) to conduct interviews. Being at IETF96 (Berlin) is useful for
orientation.  Being at IETF98 is not essential.

Please volunteer by sending me an email before 23:59 UTC June 20, 2016, as
follows:

To: nomcom-chair-2016@ietf.org
Subject: Nomcom 2016-17 Volunteer

Please include the following information in the email body:

Your Full Name: __________
    // as you write it on the IETF registration form
Current Primary Affiliation:
    // Typically what goes in the Company field
    // in the IETF Registration Form
Emails: _______________
   // All email addresses used to register for the past 5 IETF meetings
   // Preferred email address first
Telephone: _______________________
    // For confirmation if selected

You should expect an email response from me within 5 business days stating
whether or not you are qualified.  If you don't receive this response,
please
re-send your email with the tag "RESEND"" added to the subject line.

If you are not yet sure if you would like to volunteer, please consider tha=
t
nomcom members play a very important role in shaping the leadership of the
IETF.
Questions by email or voice are welcome. Volunteering for the nomcom is a
great
way to contribute to the IETF!

You can find a detailed timeline on the nomcom web site at:
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2016/

I will be publishing a more detailed target timetable, as well as details
of the
randomness seeds to be used for the RFC 3797 selection process, within the
next
few weeks.

Thank you!

Lucy Lynch
llynch@civil-tongue.net
nomcom-chair-2016@ietf.org

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<div dir=3D"ltr">PALSers,<div><br></div><div>Please consider volunteering f=
or NomCom, see below for details. It=E2=80=99s an important service for the=
 IETF.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b cl=
ass=3D"gmail_sendername">NomCom Chair 2016</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:nomcom-chair-2016@ietf.org">nomcom-chair-2016@ietf.org</a>&gt;<=
/span><br>Date: Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:06 PM<br>Subject: NomCom 2016-2017 C=
all for Volunteers<br>To: IETF Announcement List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf=
-announce@ietf.org">ietf-announce@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><br><br>Subject: NomC=
om 2016-2017 Call for Volunteers<br>
<br>
The IETF nomcom appoints folks to fill the open slots on the IAOC, the IAB,=
 and<br>
the IESG.<br>
<br>
Ten voting members for the nomcom are selected in a verifiably random way f=
rom<br>
a pool of volunteers. The more volunteers, the better chance we have of cho=
osing<br>
a random yet representative cross section of the IETF population.<br>
<br>
The details of the operation of the nomcom can be found in RFC 7437, and<br=
>
BCP10/RFC3797 details the selection algorithm.<br>
<br>
Volunteers must have attended 3 of the past 5 IETF meetings.=C2=A0 As speci=
fied in<br>
RFC 7437, that means three out of the five past meetings up to the time thi=
s<br>
email announcement goes out to start the solicitation of volunteers. The fi=
ve<br>
meetings out of which you must have attended *three* are:<br>
<br>
IETF =3D 91 (Honolulu)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 \<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A092 (Dallas)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0\<b=
r>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A093 (Prague)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -*=
** ANY THREE!<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A094 (Yokohama)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A095 (Buenos Aires)=C2=A0 /<br>
<br>
<br>
If you qualify, please volunteer. Before you decide to volunteer, please<br=
>
remember that anyone appointed to this Nomcom will not be considered as a<b=
r>
candidate for any of the positions that the 2016 - 2017 Nomcom is responsib=
le<br>
for filling.<br>
<br>
Some 229 people have already volunteered by ticking the box on the IETF 95<=
br>
registration form. 131 of these have been verified as eligible. I will cont=
act<br>
all of these shortly. Thank you for volunteering!<br>
<br>
The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2017 IETF meeti=
ng,<br>
and thus the positions for which this nomcom is responsible, are<br>
<br>
IAOC:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Lou Berger<br>
<br>
IAB:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ralph Droms<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Russ Housley<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Robert Sparks<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Andrew Sullivan<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dave Thaler<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Suzanne Woolf<br>
<br>
IESG:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jari Arkko (GEN)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Deborah Brungard (RTG)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ben Campbell (ART)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Spencer Dawkins (TSV)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stephen Farrell (SEC)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Joel Jaeggli (OPS)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Terry Manderson (INT)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Alvaro Retana (RTG)<br>
<br>
<br>
All appointments are for 2 years. The ART and Routing areas have 3 ADs and =
the<br>
General area has 1; all other areas have 2 ADs. Thus, all areas (with the<b=
r>
exception of GEN) have at least one continuing AD.<br>
<br>
The primary activity for this nomcom will begin in July 2016 and should be<=
br>
completed in January 2017.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The nomcom will have regularly sched=
uled conference<br>
calls to ensure progress. There will be activities to collect requirements =
from<br>
the community, review candidate questionnaires, review feedback from commun=
ity<br>
members about candidates, and talk to candidates.<br>
<br>
While being a nomcom member does require some time commitment it is also a =
very<br>
rewarding experience.<br>
<br>
As a member of the nomcom it is very important that you be able to attend I=
ETF97<br>
(Seoul) to conduct interviews. Being at IETF96 (Berlin) is useful for<br>
orientation.=C2=A0 Being at IETF98 is not essential.<br>
<br>
Please volunteer by sending me an email before 23:59 UTC June 20, 2016, as<=
br>
follows:<br>
<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:nomcom-chair-2016@ietf.org">nomcom-chair-2016@ietf.or=
g</a><br>
Subject: Nomcom 2016-17 Volunteer<br>
<br>
Please include the following information in the email body:<br>
<br>
Your Full Name: __________<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 // as you write it on the IETF registration form<br>
Current Primary Affiliation:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 // Typically what goes in the Company field<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 // in the IETF Registration Form<br>
Emails: _______________<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0// All email addresses used to register for the past 5 IETF me=
etings<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0// Preferred email address first<br>
Telephone: _______________________<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 // For confirmation if selected<br>
<br>
You should expect an email response from me within 5 business days stating<=
br>
whether or not you are qualified.=C2=A0 If you don&#39;t receive this respo=
nse, please<br>
re-send your email with the tag &quot;RESEND&quot;&quot; added to the subje=
ct line.<br>
<br>
If you are not yet sure if you would like to volunteer, please consider tha=
t<br>
nomcom members play a very important role in shaping the leadership of the =
IETF.<br>
Questions by email or voice are welcome. Volunteering for the nomcom is a g=
reat<br>
way to contribute to the IETF!<br>
<br>
You can find a detailed timeline on the nomcom web site at:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2016/" rel=3D"=
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2016/</a>=
<br>
<br>
I will be publishing a more detailed target timetable, as well as details o=
f the<br>
randomness seeds to be used for the RFC 3797 selection process, within the =
next<br>
few weeks.<br>
<br>
Thank you!<br>
<br>
Lucy Lynch<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:llynch@civil-tongue.net">llynch@civil-tongue.net</a><br>
<a href=3D"mailto:nomcom-chair-2016@ietf.org">nomcom-chair-2016@ietf.org</a=
><br>
<br>
</div><br></div></div>

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This ends the WG adoption poll for draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping. We now
have a new WG draft.

Authors, I need you to update the draft twice. First, please
upload draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-00 to simply update the draft name
and date. Then please to do a more comprehensive update to address Greg=E2=
=80=99s
comments, and upload that as draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01.

Thanks,
Andy


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> Having heard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this email is the
> beginning of a two-week poll, ending May 23, to consider the PALS WG
> adoption of
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01 . Please
> respond to the PALS list with either =E2=80=9CYes/Support=E2=80=9D or =E2=
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> regarding the adoption of this draft.
>
> If you don=E2=80=99t support the adoption, an explanation of your reasoni=
ng isn=E2=80=99t
> required, but would be appreciated so that any deficiencies can be
> addressed.
>
> Comments on the draft text are also welcome (and I would like to thank
> Greg for jumping the gun on these :-).
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This ends the WG adoption poll for=C2=A0draft-jain-pals-p2=
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s-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-00 to simply update the draft name and date. Then please=
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v>Thanks,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Andrew G.=
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"_blank">agmalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
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ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Having heard from all of the authors regarding IPR=
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r the PALS WG adoption of=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft=
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the draft text are also welcome (and I would like to thank Greg for jumping=
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<br></div></div></div></div>
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Thanks Andy,

Will do.

Thanks,

Sami
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> This ends the WG adoption poll for draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping. We no=
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> Authors, I need you to update the draft twice. First, please upload draft-=
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> Thanks,
> Andy
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>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote=
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>> Having heard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this email is the beg=
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der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Having heard from=
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hank Greg for jumping the gun on these :-).<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div>=
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HI Andy

Thanks. I have submitted the 00 version. We will start working on 01 versio=
n.

Thanks
Parag


From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com<mailto:agmalis@gmail.com>>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2016 at 9:54 AM
To: "pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.org>" <pals@ietf.org<mailto:pals@ietf.o=
rg>>
Cc: "draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org<mailto:draft-jain-pals-p2mp-=
pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org>" <draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org<mailto:dr=
aft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: PALS WG poll to adopt draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org>>
Resent-To: Parag Jain <paragj@cisco.com<mailto:paragj@cisco.com>>, <sboutro=
s@vmware.com<mailto:sboutros@vmware.com>>, <aldrin.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:al=
drin.ietf@gmail.com>>
Resent-Date: Monday, May 23, 2016 at 9:55 AM

This ends the WG adoption poll for draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping. We now=
 have a new WG draft.

Authors, I need you to update the draft twice. First, please upload draft-i=
etf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-00 to simply update the draft name and date. Then=
 please to do a more comprehensive update to address Greg's comments, and u=
pload that as draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01.

Thanks,
Andy


On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com<mailto:a=
gmalis@gmail.com>> wrote:
Having heard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this email is the begin=
ning of a two-week poll, ending May 23, to consider the PALS WG adoption of=
 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01 . Please r=
espond to the PALS list with either "Yes/Support" or "No/Do not support" re=
garding the adoption of this draft.

If you don't support the adoption, an explanation of your reasoning isn't r=
equired, but would be appreciated so that any deficiencies can be addressed=
.

Comments on the draft text are also welcome (and I would like to thank Greg=
 for jumping the gun on these :-).

Thanks,
Andy



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<div>HI Andy</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks. I have submitted the 00 version. We will start working on 01 v=
ersion.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Parag</div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>&quot;Andrew G. Malis&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:agmalis@gmail.com">agmalis@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, May 23, 2016 at 9:54 =
AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ie=
tf.org">pals@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pals@ietf.org">pals@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-j=
ain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org">draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.o=
rg</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.or=
g">draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: PALS WG poll to adopt =
draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-From: </span>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
alias-bounces@ietf.org">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-To: </span>Parag Jain &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:paragj@cisco.com">paragj@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:sboutros@vmware.com">sboutros@vmware.com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a=
ldrin.ietf@gmail.com">aldrin.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-Date: </span>Monday, May 23, 2016 a=
t 9:55 AM<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This ends the WG adoption poll for&nbsp;draft-jain-pals-p2=
mp-pw-lsp-ping. We now have a new WG draft.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Authors, I need you to update the draft twice. First, please upload&nb=
sp;draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-00 to simply update the draft name and =
date. Then please to do a more comprehensive update to address Greg&#8217;s=
 comments, and upload that as draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Andy</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Andrew G. Malis =
<span dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:agmalis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">agmalis@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Having heard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this e=
mail is the beginning of a two-week poll, ending May 23, to consider the PA=
LS WG adoption of&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pa=
ls-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01" style=3D"font-size:13px" target=3D"_blank">https://=
tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jain-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-01</a>&nbsp;.
 Please respond to the PALS list with either &#8220;Yes/Support&#8221; or &=
#8220;No/Do not support&#8221; regarding the adoption of this draft.&nbsp;
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you don&#8217;t support the adoption, an explanation of your reason=
ing isn&#8217;t required, but would be appreciated so that any deficiencies=
 can be addressed.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Comments on the draft text are also welcome (and I would like to thank=
 Greg for jumping the gun on these :-).
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Andy</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services of the IETF.

        Title           : Definition of P2MP PW TLV for LSP-Ping Mechanisms
        Authors         : Parag Jain
                          Sami Boutros
                          Sam Aldrin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-00.txt
	Pages           : 8
	Date            : 2016-05-23

Abstract:
   LSP-Ping is a widely deployed Operation, Administration, and
   Maintenance (OAM) mechanism in MPLS networks.  This document
   describes a mechanism to verify connectivity of Point-to-Multipoint
   (P2MP) Pseudowires (PW) using LSP Ping.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services of the IETF.

        Title           : LDP Extensions for Pseudowire Binding to LSP Tunnels
        Authors         : Mach(Guoyi) Chen
                          Wei Cao
                          Attila Takacs
                          Ping Pan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-07.txt
	Pages           : 16
	Date            : 2016-05-25

Abstract:
   Many transport services require that user traffic, in the form of
   Pseudowires (PW), be delivered on a single co-routed bidirectional
   tunnel or two tunnels that share the same routes.  This document
   defines an optional extension to LDP that enables the binding between
   PWs and the underlying TE tunnels.  The extension applies to both SS-
   PW and MS-PW.



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Having heard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this starts the WG last
call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon-03 . This last
call will last for two weeks, ending on June 10. Please review the draft
and send all comments to pals@ietf.org.

Thanks,
Andy

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Having heard from all of the authors regarding IPR, this s=
tarts the WG last call for=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf=
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406px">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mc-pon-03</a>=C2=A0. Thi=
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