From nobody Tue Jul 5 08:48:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FC112D129; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 08:48:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160705154849.22367.16767.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 08:48:49 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pals-rfc4447bis-05.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:48:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services of the IETF. Title : Pseudowire Setup and Maintenance using the Label Distribution Protocol Authors : Luca Martini Giles Heron Filename : draft-ietf-pals-rfc4447bis-05.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2016-07-05 Abstract: Layer 2 services (such as Frame Relay, Asynchronous Transfer Mode, and Ethernet) can be "emulated" over an MPLS backbone by encapsulating the Layer 2 Protocol Data Units (PDU) and then transmitting them over "pseudowires". It is also possible to use pseudowires to provide low-rate Time Division Multiplexed and Synchronous Optical NETworking circuit emulation over an MPLS-enabled network. This document specifies a protocol for establishing and maintaining the pseudowires, using extensions to the Label Distribution Protocol (LDP). Procedures for encapsulating Layer 2 PDUs are specified in a set of companion documents. This document has been written to address errata in a previous version of this standard. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-rfc4447bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-rfc4447bis-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pals-rfc4447bis-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jul 5 09:38:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8D012D094; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:38:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Mirja Kuehlewind" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160705163846.22350.79584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 09:38:46 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: stewart.bryant@gmail.com, pals-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-p?= =?utf-8?q?als-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT?= =?utf-8?q?=29?= X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 16:38:46 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the protocol specification is not complete: - What happens if none of the two S and C bits are set? - What happens if more the one sub-TLV is present? Actually I think that the protocol design is more complicated than needed and simplifying it would resolve these error cases. But as that's not a DISCUSS reason, please see more detailed comments below! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A few questions/comments: 1) The shepherd writeup says: "An IPR discolusure has been filed and the WG has not remarked on this." Does this mean the wg is not aware of it or it is aware and nobody commented? 2) Acronym: I found a few acronyms that where not spelled out, e.g. FEC as well as LDP and TE in the abstract. One can argue if that's needed but usually I think it helps. Further there are quite a few acronyms that are introduced somewhere and then never used again (e.g. Point-to-Point (P2P); that makes it actually harder to read, so I would recommend to remove them. 3) I think I don't understand the following MUST: "PSN Tunnel Binding TLV is an optional TLV and MUST be carried in the Label Mapping message [RFC5036] if PW to LSP binding is required." and again later "To perform PSN binding, the Label Mapping messages MUST carry a PSN Tunnel Binding TLV". Maybe just remove it? 4) Why is there a "MUST be zero" and a "Reserved" field? Shouldn't this all just be a large "Reserved" field? And the "Reserve" field is not discussed. 5) On the T (Tunnel Representation) bit: Why is that an extra bit? Usually you can simply use the length field here and then either have the LSP Number fields in the sub-TLV or not. 6) Why are there two bits for C and S if they are mutual exclusive and one of them has to be set? In this case you should use one bit and say e.g. 0 means S(trict) and 1 means C(o-routed path). This would also avoid the error case when both are set! (Otherwise if it should be possible to not set both flags, this case is not described in the draft and must be added.) 7) Sub-TLV: I'm not an LDP expert but I assume having sub-TLV is not a general concept that is widely used this way but something introduced in this document. If that's the case, I have a couple of questions/remarks: - Given that the PSN Tunnel Binding TLV already has a length field that includes the sub-TLV, why do you need another length field in the sub-TLV? - Why is there another 'Reserved' field in the sub_TLV (that is also not discussed)? - If you already have different types of sub-TLVs here, why don't you simply define some with or without the the LSP Number fields instead of the T bit? - And finally do you really need these sub-TLVs or would a flag be enough to indicate IPv4 or IPv6 (or again just use the length field to distinguish)? - And this should be normative "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV can only have one such sub-TLV." -> "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV MUST have only one such sub-TLV." and you must specify what happen if more then one is presented (if you actually want to use sub-TLVs). 8) There are a couple of MUSTs basically twice in the document (once in section 2 and another time in sections 4 and 5). I would recommend to avoid these duplications and subsequent redundancy and really state it only once to avoid any future confusions. 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Malis" Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: To: "pals@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11372fe47cd19c0536e93ad4 Archived-At: Cc: David Sinicrope Subject: [Pals] Fwd: PALS IETF 96 Slot Requests - Berlin X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 20:23:43 -0000 --001a11372fe47cd19c0536e93ad4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a reminder =E2=80=A6 if you want to present at the PALS session in Ber= lin, please send your request to Dave Sinicrope in the form below. Thanks, Andy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Sinicrope Date: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 5:00 PM Subject: [Pals] PALS IETF 96 Slot Requests - Berlin To: "pals@ietf.org" Hi All, It's that time again. If you need a presentation slot for the upcoming IETF PALS session, please *reply to this email *(subject intact) completing the form below. *Please *use this form and *please* reply to this email with the subject intact. (Not doing so probably means your request will not trigger the filter I use to identify PALS slot requests.) Form: 1. *Topic:* (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking): 2. *URL to your draft on Datatracker:* you only need to provide the file name to the example URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth-oam-iwk/): 3. *Brief statement of objectives and issues to be discussed and resolved via the presentation during the meeting:* (e.g., need to address security issues and get direction from the WG): 4. *Requested d**uration:* (norm/default is 10 min): 5. *Speaker name:* (e.g., Dave SINICROPE): Thanks! 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Thanks,
Andy

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Hi All,

It's that time again.=C2=A0

If you need a presentation slot for the upcoming IET= F PALS session, please=C2=A0reply to this email=C2=A0(subject intact= ) completing the form below. =C2=A0=C2=A0

Please=C2=A0use this form and= =C2=A0please=C2=A0reply to this email with the subject= intact. =C2=A0(Not doing so probably means your request will not trigger t= he filter=C2=A0I use to identify PALS slot requests.)

Form:
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2. URL to your draft on Datatracker= :=C2=A0you only ne= ed to provide the file name to the example URL (e.g.,=C2=A0http://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth-oam-iwk/): =C2=A0=C2=A0

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 07:28:02 -0000 Hi Mach, thanks! Suggested changes sound good to me. Will wait for the new = revision! One further question on the =E2=80=9EMUST be zero=E2=80=9C part: Isn=E2=80= =99t this effectively also a =E2=80=9EReserved=E2=80=9C field, in the = sense that is could be used in future? =E2=80=9EMUST be zero=E2=80=9C = sounds like it must be zero for ever and ever (because there is a = technical reason to have zeros there); I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99= s the case, right? Mirja > Am 06.07.2016 um 08:12 schrieb Mach Chen : >=20 > Hi Mirja, >=20 > Thanks for your "DISCUSS and COMMENT"! >=20 > Please see some replies inline... >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mirja Kuehlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:39 AM >> To: The IESG >> Cc: draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org; Stewart = Bryant; >> pals-chairs@ietf.org; stewart.bryant@gmail.com; pals@ietf.org >> Subject: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's Discuss on >> draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: (with DISCUSS and = COMMENT) >>=20 >> Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: Discuss >>=20 >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email >> addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory >> paragraph, however.) >>=20 >>=20 >> Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>=20 >>=20 >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp= / >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> I think the protocol specification is not complete: >>=20 >> - What happens if none of the two S and C bits are set? >=20 > Indeed, this is not explicitly stated in the document. One way is to = clarify what happens if none of the two S and C bits are set. Another = way is to along your suggestion below. After consideration, I think your = suggestion is better and we will accept your suggestion.=20 >=20 > Then now, C bit will be omitted, and only the S bit will be left and = it's definition as below: >=20 > "S (Strict) bit: This instructs the PEs with respect to the handling = of the underlying LSPs. When the S bit set, the remote PE MUST use the = tunnel/LSP specified in the PSN Tunnel Sub-TLV as the PSN tunnel on the = reverse direction of the PW, or the PW will fail to be established. When = the S bit cleared, the remote T-PE/S-PEs SHOULD select co-routed LSP (as = the forwarding tunnel) as the reverse PSN tunnel. If there is no such = tunnel available, it may trigger the remote T-PE/S-PEs to establish a = new LSP." >=20 > And correspondingly, the some text in the Operation section will = modified accordingly.=20 >=20 >>=20 >> - What happens if more the one sub-TLV is present? >=20 > How about: >=20 > OLD: > "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV can only have one such sub-TLV." >=20 > NEW > "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV MUST only have one such sub-TLV. When = sending, only one sub-TLV MUST be carried. When received, if there are = more than one sub-TLVs carried, only the first sub-TLV MUST be used, the = rest sub-TLVs MUST be ignored." >=20 > Hope this addresses the DISCUSS. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> Actually I think that the protocol design is more complicated than = needed and >> simplifying it would resolve these error cases. But as that's not a = DISCUSS >> reason, please see more detailed comments below! >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> A few questions/comments: >>=20 >> 1) The shepherd writeup says: "An IPR discolusure has been filed and = the WG >> has not remarked on this." >> Does this mean the wg is not aware of it or it is aware and nobody >> commented? >>=20 >=20 > I think it's the latter. >=20 >> 2) Acronym: I found a few acronyms that where not spelled out, e.g. = FEC as >> well as LDP and TE in the abstract. One can argue if that's needed = but usually I >> think it helps. Further there are quite a few acronyms that are = introduced >> somewhere and then never used again (e.g. Point-to-Point (P2P); that = makes it >> actually harder to read, so I would recommend to remove them. >=20 > Sure, will look through the document and expand the acronyms when = needed and remove never used acronyms. >=20 >>=20 >> 3) I think I don't understand the following MUST: "PSN Tunnel Binding = TLV is an >> optional TLV and MUST be carried in the Label Mapping message = [RFC5036] if >> PW to LSP binding is required." and again later "To perform PSN = binding, the >> Label Mapping messages MUST carry a PSN Tunnel Binding TLV". Maybe = just >> remove it? >=20 > The "MUST" applies when "PW to LSP binding is required". Since there = are "MUST in the Operation sections, I will remove the one in the TLV = definition section. How about: >=20 > OLD: > "PSN Tunnel Binding TLV is an optional TLV and MUST be carried in the = Label Mapping message [RFC5036] if PW to LSP binding is required." >=20 > NEW: > "PSN Tunnel Binding TLV is an optional TLV." >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> 4) Why is there a "MUST be zero" and a "Reserved" field? Shouldn't = this all just >> be a large "Reserved" field? And the "Reserve" field is not = discussed. >=20 > The "MUST be zero" and the allocated flags belong to the Flag field. = The "Reserved" filed is just as its name, it is reserved for future use. = Maybe some text can be added to clarify this. For example : " The = Reserved field is 2 octets in length and is left for future use." >=20 >>=20 >> 5) On the T (Tunnel Representation) bit: Why is that an extra bit? >> Usually you can simply use the length field here and then either have = the LSP >> Number fields in the sub-TLV or not. >=20 > Currently, there are two sub-TLVs, one is for IPv4 and the other is = for IPv6, if we use the length to imply sub-TLV types, then the sub-TLVs = will become four. And we have to guarantee that the four sub-TLVs have = their own unique length, otherwise, a receiver cannot parse the packet. = In addition, there may be more sub-TLVs introduced in the future, seems = it's difficult or impossible to make sure that all sub-TLVs have = different length. >=20 >>=20 >> 6) Why are there two bits for C and S if they are mutual exclusive = and one of >> them has to be set? In this case you should use one bit and say e.g. = 0 means >> S(trict) and 1 means C(o-routed path). This would also avoid the = error case >> when both are set! (Otherwise if it should be possible to not set = both flags, this >> case is not described in the draft and must be >> added.) >=20 > Will keep the S bit and remove the C bit. >=20 >>=20 >> 7) Sub-TLV: I'm not an LDP expert but I assume having sub-TLV is not = a general >> concept that is widely used this way but something introduced in this = document. >> If that's the case, I have a couple of questions/remarks: >=20 > No, having sub-TLV is general concept for LDP and is widely used. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> - Given that the PSN Tunnel Binding TLV already has a length field = that >> includes the sub-TLV, why do you need another length field in the = sub-TLV? >=20 > Since a sub-TLV is also a TLV, it has a length field. The length of = the sub-TLV seems a bit "redundant" just because the PSN Tunnel Binding = TLV can carry only one sub-TLV, otherwise the length is necessary. In = addition, a sub-TLV may be reused in another TLV that may carry more = than one sub-TLVs. I tend to keep this length. >=20 >> - Why is there another 'Reserved' field in the sub_TLV (that is also = not >> discussed)? >=20 > This is to make the sub-TLV 4-octet alignment.=20 >=20 >> - If you already have different types of sub-TLVs here, why don't = you simply >> define some with or without the the LSP Number fields instead of the = T bit? >=20 > This is a design choice, your suggested is an alternative way.=20 >=20 >> - And finally do you really need these sub-TLVs or would a flag be = enough to >> indicate IPv4 or IPv6 (or again just use the length field to = distinguish)? >=20 > There may be other ways, but IMHO, as said above, sub-TLV-based = mechanism is common for LDP and widely used.=20 >=20 >> - And this should be normative "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV can only = have >> one such sub-TLV." -> "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV MUST have only one = such >> sub-TLV." and you must specify what happen if more then one is = presented (if >> you actually want to use sub-TLVs). >=20 > OK.=20 >=20 >>=20 >> 8) There are a couple of MUSTs basically twice in the document (once = in section >> 2 and another time in sections 4 and 5). I would recommend to avoid = these >> duplications and subsequent redundancy and really state it only once = to avoid >> any future confusions. >=20 > OK, will go though the document and make the usage consistent.=20 >=20 > Best regards, > Mach >>=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 6 00:44:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9B012D69C; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 00:44:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.647 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.647 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 70euukWVA-df; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 00:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 877C812D674; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 00:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CSC83060; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 07:44:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA417-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.34) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.168) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 08:43:44 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.42]) by SZXEMA417-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.34]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:43:41 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" Thread-Topic: =?utf-8?B?TWlyamEgS8O8aGxld2luZCdzIERpc2N1c3Mgb24gZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi1wYWxz?= =?utf-8?B?LW1wbHMtdHAtcHctb3Zlci1iaWRpci1sc3AtMDg6ICh3aXRoIERJU0NVU1Mg?= =?utf-8?Q?and_COMMENT)?= Thread-Index: AQHR1tu4vG3B3U+azU26eaxj5RuoiaAKspig///JaACAAIZkEA== Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:43:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160705163846.22350.79584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <321A823E-BF1B-409F-9103-3B414660D8D3@kuehlewind.net> In-Reply-To: <321A823E-BF1B-409F-9103-3B414660D8D3@kuehlewind.net> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.102.135] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090204.577CB6E8.009A, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.3.42, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 807ad040e4e5546c86601611c5aa7453 Archived-At: Cc: "stewart.bryant@gmail.com" , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-p?= =?utf-8?q?als-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT?= =?utf-8?q?=29?= X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 08:01:37 -0000 Hi again, one more comment: I=E2=80=99m okay with the use of sub-TLVs if that is = common and well-known design pattern that people are used to. However, = as you only can have one sub-TLV at a time, please re-consider = carefully, as this might add complexity with no gain (and therefore is = only a source of potential errors, e.g. if more than one is present). Mirja > Am 06.07.2016 um 09:27 schrieb Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) = : >=20 > Hi Mach, >=20 > thanks! Suggested changes sound good to me. Will wait for the new = revision! >=20 > One further question on the =E2=80=9EMUST be zero=E2=80=9C part: = Isn=E2=80=99t this effectively also a =E2=80=9EReserved=E2=80=9C field, = in the sense that is could be used in future? =E2=80=9EMUST be zero=E2=80=9C= sounds like it must be zero for ever and ever (because there is a = technical reason to have zeros there); I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99= s the case, right? >=20 >=20 > Mirja >=20 >> Am 06.07.2016 um 08:12 schrieb Mach Chen : >>=20 >> Hi Mirja, >>=20 >> Thanks for your "DISCUSS and COMMENT"! >>=20 >> Please see some replies inline... >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mirja Kuehlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net] >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:39 AM >>> To: The IESG >>> Cc: draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org; Stewart = Bryant; >>> pals-chairs@ietf.org; stewart.bryant@gmail.com; pals@ietf.org >>> Subject: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's Discuss on >>> draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: (with DISCUSS and = COMMENT) >>>=20 >>> Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for >>> draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: Discuss >>>=20 >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all email >>> addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory >>> paragraph, however.) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp= / >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> DISCUSS: >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>> I think the protocol specification is not complete: >>>=20 >>> - What happens if none of the two S and C bits are set? >>=20 >> Indeed, this is not explicitly stated in the document. One way is to = clarify what happens if none of the two S and C bits are set. Another = way is to along your suggestion below. After consideration, I think your = suggestion is better and we will accept your suggestion.=20 >>=20 >> Then now, C bit will be omitted, and only the S bit will be left and = it's definition as below: >>=20 >> "S (Strict) bit: This instructs the PEs with respect to the handling = of the underlying LSPs. When the S bit set, the remote PE MUST use the = tunnel/LSP specified in the PSN Tunnel Sub-TLV as the PSN tunnel on the = reverse direction of the PW, or the PW will fail to be established. When = the S bit cleared, the remote T-PE/S-PEs SHOULD select co-routed LSP (as = the forwarding tunnel) as the reverse PSN tunnel. If there is no such = tunnel available, it may trigger the remote T-PE/S-PEs to establish a = new LSP." >>=20 >> And correspondingly, the some text in the Operation section will = modified accordingly.=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> - What happens if more the one sub-TLV is present? >>=20 >> How about: >>=20 >> OLD: >> "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV can only have one such sub-TLV." >>=20 >> NEW >> "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV MUST only have one such sub-TLV. When = sending, only one sub-TLV MUST be carried. When received, if there are = more than one sub-TLVs carried, only the first sub-TLV MUST be used, the = rest sub-TLVs MUST be ignored." >>=20 >> Hope this addresses the DISCUSS. >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Actually I think that the protocol design is more complicated than = needed and >>> simplifying it would resolve these error cases. But as that's not a = DISCUSS >>> reason, please see more detailed comments below! >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> COMMENT: >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>> A few questions/comments: >>>=20 >>> 1) The shepherd writeup says: "An IPR discolusure has been filed and = the WG >>> has not remarked on this." >>> Does this mean the wg is not aware of it or it is aware and nobody >>> commented? >>>=20 >>=20 >> I think it's the latter. >>=20 >>> 2) Acronym: I found a few acronyms that where not spelled out, e.g. = FEC as >>> well as LDP and TE in the abstract. One can argue if that's needed = but usually I >>> think it helps. Further there are quite a few acronyms that are = introduced >>> somewhere and then never used again (e.g. Point-to-Point (P2P); that = makes it >>> actually harder to read, so I would recommend to remove them. >>=20 >> Sure, will look through the document and expand the acronyms when = needed and remove never used acronyms. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> 3) I think I don't understand the following MUST: "PSN Tunnel = Binding TLV is an >>> optional TLV and MUST be carried in the Label Mapping message = [RFC5036] if >>> PW to LSP binding is required." and again later "To perform PSN = binding, the >>> Label Mapping messages MUST carry a PSN Tunnel Binding TLV". Maybe = just >>> remove it? >>=20 >> The "MUST" applies when "PW to LSP binding is required". Since there = are "MUST in the Operation sections, I will remove the one in the TLV = definition section. How about: >>=20 >> OLD: >> "PSN Tunnel Binding TLV is an optional TLV and MUST be carried in the = Label Mapping message [RFC5036] if PW to LSP binding is required." >>=20 >> NEW: >> "PSN Tunnel Binding TLV is an optional TLV." >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> 4) Why is there a "MUST be zero" and a "Reserved" field? Shouldn't = this all just >>> be a large "Reserved" field? And the "Reserve" field is not = discussed. >>=20 >> The "MUST be zero" and the allocated flags belong to the Flag field. = The "Reserved" filed is just as its name, it is reserved for future use. = Maybe some text can be added to clarify this. For example : " The = Reserved field is 2 octets in length and is left for future use." >>=20 >>>=20 >>> 5) On the T (Tunnel Representation) bit: Why is that an extra bit? >>> Usually you can simply use the length field here and then either = have the LSP >>> Number fields in the sub-TLV or not. >>=20 >> Currently, there are two sub-TLVs, one is for IPv4 and the other is = for IPv6, if we use the length to imply sub-TLV types, then the sub-TLVs = will become four. And we have to guarantee that the four sub-TLVs have = their own unique length, otherwise, a receiver cannot parse the packet. = In addition, there may be more sub-TLVs introduced in the future, seems = it's difficult or impossible to make sure that all sub-TLVs have = different length. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> 6) Why are there two bits for C and S if they are mutual exclusive = and one of >>> them has to be set? In this case you should use one bit and say e.g. = 0 means >>> S(trict) and 1 means C(o-routed path). This would also avoid the = error case >>> when both are set! (Otherwise if it should be possible to not set = both flags, this >>> case is not described in the draft and must be >>> added.) >>=20 >> Will keep the S bit and remove the C bit. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> 7) Sub-TLV: I'm not an LDP expert but I assume having sub-TLV is not = a general >>> concept that is widely used this way but something introduced in = this document. >>> If that's the case, I have a couple of questions/remarks: >>=20 >> No, having sub-TLV is general concept for LDP and is widely used. >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> - Given that the PSN Tunnel Binding TLV already has a length field = that >>> includes the sub-TLV, why do you need another length field in the = sub-TLV? >>=20 >> Since a sub-TLV is also a TLV, it has a length field. The length of = the sub-TLV seems a bit "redundant" just because the PSN Tunnel Binding = TLV can carry only one sub-TLV, otherwise the length is necessary. In = addition, a sub-TLV may be reused in another TLV that may carry more = than one sub-TLVs. I tend to keep this length. >>=20 >>> - Why is there another 'Reserved' field in the sub_TLV (that is also = not >>> discussed)? >>=20 >> This is to make the sub-TLV 4-octet alignment.=20 >>=20 >>> - If you already have different types of sub-TLVs here, why don't = you simply >>> define some with or without the the LSP Number fields instead of the = T bit? >>=20 >> This is a design choice, your suggested is an alternative way.=20 >>=20 >>> - And finally do you really need these sub-TLVs or would a flag be = enough to >>> indicate IPv4 or IPv6 (or again just use the length field to = distinguish)? >>=20 >> There may be other ways, but IMHO, as said above, sub-TLV-based = mechanism is common for LDP and widely used.=20 >>=20 >>> - And this should be normative "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV can only = have >>> one such sub-TLV." -> "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV MUST have only = one such >>> sub-TLV." and you must specify what happen if more then one is = presented (if >>> you actually want to use sub-TLVs). >>=20 >> OK.=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> 8) There are a couple of MUSTs basically twice in the document (once = in section >>> 2 and another time in sections 4 and 5). I would recommend to avoid = these >>> duplications and subsequent redundancy and really state it only once = to avoid >>> any future confusions. >>=20 >> OK, will go though the document and make the usage consistent.=20 >>=20 >> Best regards, >> Mach >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 6 01:03:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63D012D739; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 01:03:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.647 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.647 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gvXR2kE6bVMl; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 01:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 499EF12D73E; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 01:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CNF77538; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 08:03:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA419-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.37) by lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.99) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:02:43 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.42]) by SZXEMA419-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.37]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 16:02:37 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" Thread-Topic: =?utf-8?B?TWlyamEgS8O8aGxld2luZCdzIERpc2N1c3Mgb24gZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi1wYWxz?= =?utf-8?B?LW1wbHMtdHAtcHctb3Zlci1iaWRpci1sc3AtMDg6ICh3aXRoIERJU0NVU1Mg?= =?utf-8?Q?and_COMMENT)?= Thread-Index: AQHR1tu4vG3B3U+azU26eaxj5RuoiaAKspig///JaACAAAHtAIAAiN2A Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 08:02:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160705163846.22350.79584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <321A823E-BF1B-409F-9103-3B414660D8D3@kuehlewind.net> <8C85792B-34DB-4831-8366-317912748A30@kuehlewind.net> In-Reply-To: <8C85792B-34DB-4831-8366-317912748A30@kuehlewind.net> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.102.135] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090206.577CBB36.0029, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.3.42, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: c4d52875aaed1de0a7fe2be321285f21 Archived-At: Cc: "stewart.bryant@gmail.com" , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-p?= =?utf-8?q?als-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT?= =?utf-8?q?=29?= X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ib10sm5835920wjb.31.2016.07.06.04.50.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Jul 2016 04:50:42 -0700 (PDT) To: Mirja Kuehlewind , The IESG References: <20160705163846.22350.79584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:50:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160705163846.22350.79584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: pals-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pals] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-p?= =?utf-8?q?als-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT?= =?utf-8?q?=29?= X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:50:48 -0000 Mirja, I would like to pick up a couple of points related to your discuss and comments. On 05/07/2016 17:38, Mirja Kuehlewind wrote: > Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I think the protocol specification is not complete: > > - What happens if none of the two S and C bits are set? Since the text specifically states that they are mutually exclusive, that would be an implementation error. I don't think that it is within the scope of this draft to state what should happen when there is an implementation error. > > - What happens if more the one sub-TLV is present? As Mach says later in the thread that is an allowable construct. If the TLVs conflict with each other that is also a protocol implementation error and out of scope of the document. > > Actually I think that the protocol design is more complicated than needed > and simplifying it would resolve these error cases. But as that's not a > DISCUSS reason, please see more detailed comments below! The PALS WG was satisfied with the original design, which is perfectly viable. As you say that is not a valid reason to issue a discuss. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > A few questions/comments: > > 1) The shepherd writeup says: "An IPR discolusure has been filed and the > WG has not remarked on this." > Does this mean the wg is not aware of it or it is aware and nobody > commented? Our standard process is to ask the authors (requiring an explicit reply from each) and to ask the WG (with no reply within a certain time an implicit negative) if they need to declare any IPR that has not been already declared. This was last done here: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pals/current/msg00621.html When IPR is disclosed secretariat notify the WG if the draft is a WG draft. The Chairs do not point out correctly disclosed IPR, we assume that people will read the list or check the datatracker. The shepherd's note indicates that as far as I am aware, no one expressed any concern about the IPR disclosure, either on list or to direct to a chair. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b187sm384427wmg.15.2016.07.06.05.58.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Jul 2016 05:58:29 -0700 (PDT) To: Mirja Kuehlewind , The IESG References: <20160705163846.22350.79584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <7b9f5b06-0c05-bda2-75ec-ebee6210ba60@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:58:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: pals-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pals] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-p?= =?utf-8?q?als-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT?= =?utf-8?q?=29?= X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:58:34 -0000 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I think the protocol specification is not complete: >> >> - What happens if none of the two S and C bits are set? > Since the text specifically states that they are mutually exclusive, > that would be > an implementation error. I don't think that it is within the scope of > this draft to > state what should happen when there is an implementation error. Thinking about this some more, we could say: Either the C-bit or the S-bit MUST be set. the C-bit and S-bit are mutually exclusive from each other, and cannot be set in the same message. Otherwise, a Label Release message with status code set to "The C-bit and S-bit can not both be set" (TBD5) MUST be replied, and the PW will not be established. We could introduce an additional error message, but it's probably adequate to say: Either the C-bit or the S-bit MUST be set. The C-bit and S-bit are mutually exclusive from each other, and cannot be set in the same message. In the case of either error, a Label Release message with status code set to "The C-bit and S-bit error" (TBD5) MUST be replied, and the PW will not be established. If parametrised messages are allowed I would say: "The C-bit and S-bit error [, ]" Since zero or two bits are clearly an implementation error, I am not convinced that we need to do more than flag it up sufficiently that the an implementer can figure out what they got wrong. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k3sm4188708wju.29.2016.07.06.06.20.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Jul 2016 06:20:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <1c2c4c74-d067-08ef-ecc1-93f312542a86@gmail.com> To: draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org, "pals@ietf.org" From: Stewart Bryant X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <1c2c4c74-d067-08ef-ecc1-93f312542a86@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67774655-de7f-c3e5-ec7b-cbafad8e502a@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:20:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1c2c4c74-d067-08ef-ecc1-93f312542a86@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1152AF3CA6F3B2F1528FAC74" Archived-At: Cc: "pals-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [Pals] Fwd: IPR check ondraft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 13:21:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1152AF3CA6F3B2F1528FAC74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies if I have missed it, but I don't seem to have received an email from Lei Wang China Mobile No.32 Xuanwumen West Street Beijing 100053 China Email: Wangleiyj@chinamobile.com Han Li China Mobile No.32 Xuanwumen West Street Beijing 100053 China Email: Lihan@chinamobile.com Shahram Davari Broadcom Corporation 3151 Zanker Road San Jose 95134-1933 United States Email: davari@broadcom.com Please can you respond to the original email indicating whether or not you are aware of IPR that needs to be disclosed. Thank you Stewart -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: IPR check ondraft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:39:42 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant To: draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org, pals@ietf.org CC: pals-chairs@tools.ietf.org Resending with correct authors alias. The authors have indicated that draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination is ready for WG last call. Before I start that last call, I would like to check that we know about the IPR related to this draft. Please can I ask the authors to reply to this email indicating whether or not they know of any IPR that needs to be declared. Please can I ask any member of the WG that knows of any IPR that needs to be declared to either declare it or to inform the WG that they have initiated the declaration process. I will close this call on 4th July 2016. Thanks for your help with this. Stewart --------------1152AF3CA6F3B2F1528FAC74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Apologies if I have missed it, but I don't seem to have received an email from


   Lei Wang
   China Mobile
   No.32 Xuanwumen West Street
   Beijing  100053
   China

   Email: Wangleiyj@chinamobile.com

   Han Li
   China Mobile
   No.32 Xuanwumen West Street
   Beijing  100053
   China

   Email: Lihan@chinamobile.com

   Shahram Davari
   Broadcom Corporation
   3151 Zanker Road
   San Jose  95134-1933
   United States

   Email: davari@broadcom.com


Please can you respond to the original email indicating whether or not you are aware of IPR that needs to be disclosed.

Thank you

Stewart

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: IPR check ondraft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:39:42 +0100
From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
To: draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination@tools.ietf.org, pals@ietf.org <pals@ietf.org>
CC: pals-chairs@tools.ietf.org <pals-chairs@tools.ietf.org> 


Resending with correct authors alias.



The authors have indicated that 
draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination is ready for WG last call.

Before I start that last call, I would like to check that we know about 
the IPR
related to this draft.

Please can I ask the authors to reply to this email indicating whether 
or not they know of any IPR that needs to be declared.

Please can I ask any member of the WG that knows of any IPR that needs
to be declared to either declare it or to inform the WG that they have
initiated the declaration process.

I will close this call on 4th July 2016.

Thanks for your help with this.

Stewart
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 13:33:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------53FE19A94CCCCF994E1A612F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Luca, The original IPR statement refers to the application and not the granted patent. It should be changed, but I am not going to let that gate things. However, as far as I can tell, I have not yet hear from Elisa or George. Please could you both reply to this message, indicating whether or not you know of any IPR that needs to be declared. Thanks Stewart On 22/06/2016 19:04, Luca Martini wrote: > Stewart, > > Cisco has been granted us patent no. *8,619,598 *that applies to this > document. > I believe that an IPR statement should be in the ietf tool already , > but if in case it has been lost, i will get a new one sent. > Thanks. > Luca > > > On 06/09/2016 01:03 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: >> The authors of draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction have requested WG LC >> on this draft. >> >> Before I start that, and whilst they look at some issues with the text, >> I would like to run the usual IPR Poll. >> >> Authors please reply to this email indicating whether or not you >> know of any IPR that applies to this draft that has not yet been >> declared. I will need a reply from each of you before we can proceed. >> >> WG members, if you know of any IPR that applies to this draft which has >> not yet been declared, please initiate an IPR disclosure and reply to this >> email informing the WG to let us know. >> >> I will close this poll on 28th June 2016. >> >> Regards >> >> Stewart >> > --------------53FE19A94CCCCF994E1A612F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Luca,

The original IPR statement refers to the application and not the granted patent. It should be changed, but I am not going to let that gate things.

However, as far as I can tell, I have not yet hear from Elisa or George.

Please could you both reply to this message, indicating whether or not you know of any IPR that needs to be declared.

Thanks

Stewart

On 22/06/2016 19:04, Luca Martini wrote:
Stewart,

Cisco has been granted us patent no. 8,619,598 that applies to this document.
I believe that an IPR statement should be in the ietf tool already , but if in case it has been lost, i will get a new one sent.
Thanks.
Luca


On 06/09/2016 01:03 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote:
The authors of draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction have requested WG LC
on this draft.

Before I start that, and whilst they look at some issues with the text,
I would like to run the usual IPR Poll.

Authors please reply to this email indicating whether or not you
know of any IPR that applies  to this draft that has not yet been
declared. I will need a reply from each of you before we can proceed.

WG members, if you know of any IPR that applies to this draft which has
not yet been declared, please initiate an IPR disclosure and reply to this
email informing the WG to let us know.

I will close this poll on 28th June 2016.

Regards

Stewart


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Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:24:59 -0400 From: David Sinicrope To: "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: PALS IETF 96 Slot Requests - Berlin Thread-Index: AQHR0LbjT5SFopW5xEypF49vk2BkWqAL1P7Q Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 19:24:58 +0000 Message-ID: <871EB8879748FA458598F0461906289323374028@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_871EB8879748FA458598F0461906289323374028eusaamb103erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrHLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPlO6pqNpwg8PvpSzW/FvH5MDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujBd3L7AWLPSt6GydwdzA+Mali5GTQ0LAROLl4T2MELaYxIV7 69m6GLk4hASOMkqsbp8G5SxjlOi5t4kVpIoNqGPdxj0sILaIgLLErvNTwLqFBQwk/rW/YYKI G0qcbNwNZRtJXNz5G6yeRUBFYvJriDivgK/E+3XPmEFsIQEriTPXpoLN5xSwluhYcwSshhHo ou+n1oDZzALiEreezGeCuFRAYsme88wQtqjEy8f/WCFsJYk5r68xQ9TnS1xfu50NYpegxMmZ T1gmMIrMQjJqFpKyWUjKIOI6Egt2f2KDsLUlli18zQxjnznwmAlZfAEj+ypGjtLigpzcdCPD TYzAWDkmwea4g3Fvr+chRgEORiUe3gVfq8OFWBPLiitzDzFKcDArifAeiagNF+JNSaysSi3K jy8qzUktPsQozcGiJM6r/1IxXEggPbEkNTs1tSC1CCbLxMEp1cBoGjuRN2BWoVyY3flmh+Pt 9+43bL/M6LEqLTXr+Oe3rwIqYjaETRP8ymnpotb1IODNGUUxyc37NJg2Jjmd1VriEVrAdney b+NWszAbG/uNB+Z0fP3VP33O6wdlbp+5H9/QvzhxajfrA0vtZ08S379c9VJgg86PCWe2Snak dW7Pz2NhadLlmndSiaU4I9FQi7moOBEAA4sacJECAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] PALS IETF 96 Slot Requests - Berlin X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 19:25:03 -0000 --_000_871EB8879748FA458598F0461906289323374028eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, Just a reminder, please see instructions below. Right now we have no requested slots. Closer to the meeting no slot requests means cancelled session. If you need a slot, please request it. Thanks! Dave From: David Sinicrope Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 17:00 To: pals@ietf.org Subject: PALS IETF 96 Slot Requests - Berlin Hi All, It's that time again. If you need a presentation slot for the upcoming IETF PALS session, please = reply to this email (subject intact) completing the form below. Please use this form and please reply to this email with the subject intact= . (Not doing so probably means your request will not trigger the filter I = use to identify PALS slot requests.) Form: 1. Topic: (e.g., MPLS and Ethernet OAM Interworking): 2. URL to your draft on Datatracker: you only need to provide the file name= to the example URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pwe3-= mpls-eth-oam-iwk/): 3. Brief statement of objectives and issues to be discussed and resolved vi= a the presentation during the meeting: (e.g., need to address security iss= ues and get direction from the WG): 4. Requested duration: (norm/default is 10 min): 5. Speaker name: (e.g., Dave SINICROPE= ): Thanks! Dave --_000_871EB8879748FA458598F0461906289323374028eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,=

Just a reminder, please s= ee instructions below.

Right now we have no requ= ested slots.   

Closer to the meeting no = slot requests means cancelled session.

If you need a slot, pleas= e request it.

Thanks!=

Dave

 <= /p>

From: David Si= nicrope
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 17:00
To: pals@ietf.org
Subject: PALS IETF 96 Slot Requests - Berlin

 

 

 

Hi All,

It's that time again. =

If you need a presentation slot for th= e upcoming IETF PALS session, please reply to this email (= subject intact) completing the form below.   

Please use this f= orm and please reply to this email with the subject intact.  (Not doing so probably means your req= uest will not trigger the filter I use to identify PALS slot requests.= )

 

Form:

1. Topic: (e.g., MPLS and Etherne= t OAM Interworking):

 

2. URL to your draft on Datatracker: you only need to provide the = file name to the example URL (e.g., http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth-oam-iwk/):   

3. Brief statement of objectives and issues to be discussed and resolved vi= a the presentation during the meeting:  (e.g., need to address sec= urity issues and get direction from the WG):  

4. Requested duration: (norm/default is 10 min):

5. Speaker name: <Given-name FAMILY-NAME-IN-ALL-CAPS> (e.g.,= Dave SINICROPE):  

 

Thanks!

Dave

--_000_871EB8879748FA458598F0461906289323374028eusaamb103erics_-- From nobody Wed Jul 6 13:56:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD2E12D63E for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:56:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.328 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.328 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UTV-v26qs0gr for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kuehlewind.net (kuehlewind.net [83.169.45.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0760F12D677 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11812 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2016 22:56:37 +0200 Received: from 178-83-155-34.dynamic.hispeed.ch (HELO ?192.168.220.145?) (178.83.155.34) by kuehlewind.net with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 6 Jul 2016 22:56:37 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 22:56:34 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <31D98B35-33CD-4BD6-8DCF-4593E4AC53FC@kuehlewind.net> References: <20160705163846.22350.79584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7b9f5b06-0c05-bda2-75ec-ebee6210ba60@gmail.com> To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: Stewart Bryant , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , The IESG , "draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-p?= =?utf-8?q?als-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT?= =?utf-8?q?=29?= X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 20:56:41 -0000 Hi Deborah, hi Stewart, hi all, see below. > Am 06.07.2016 um 17:34 schrieb BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A : >=20 > I agree with Stewart - for the two bits to be set would be an = implementation error. Not an operational error. The use of the two bits = has been stable from the -00 version of the draft. There are always = multiple ways to do a protocol design. And various tradeoffs. There are = also operational positives for having two bits. Sub-TLVs are very common = (PW, MPLS, GMPLS). The extra bit in an optional sub-TLV used when = setting up a path is not going to break any bandwidth bank:-) I personally think having these two bits here is really bad protocol = design practice (and has no gain but can cause errors) but that=E2=80=99s = not what my discuss is on. This design decision is the decision of the = wg and I only made a proposal in the comments. However, the document = makes unfortunately the impression to me that there was actually not = enough wg discussion about this doc and the protocol design itself. My discuss is on the part that the spec is not fully specified. Having = both bits set or not set is not only an implementation error, this can = also happen on the path. So how to react to these situations at receiver = side should still be specified. Further, the case where both bits are = set is specified as an error case while both bits unset is not; that = just doesn=E2=80=99t make sense=E2=80=A6 These things can be easily fixed (with probably 2 extra sentences) but = MUST be fixed before publication. In case the authors decide to actually change the protocol design (based = on my suggestions) as Mach indicated earlier, the chairs and the AD have = to decide if this doc has to go back to the wg. >=20 > As Stewart noted on his other email, PALS followed the Routing Area = process of asking on IPR at the time of Last Call. We don't require = positive confirmation that no one has concerns, only if they have = concerns. This was just a clarification question because I=E2=80=99ve read this = sentence in the shepherd write-up and it was not fully clear to me what = this was supposed to say. Thanks for the clarification! That=E2=80=99s = all good. Mirja >=20 > Much thanks Mirja for your interest and very comprehensive review - = let us know if Stewart's proposal is acceptable to clear your discuss. >=20 > Deborah >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: iesg [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:58 AM > To: Mirja Kuehlewind ; The IESG > Cc: pals-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's Discuss on = draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >=20 >=20 >=20 >>>=20 >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> DISCUSS: >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>> I think the protocol specification is not complete: >>>=20 >>> - What happens if none of the two S and C bits are set? >> Since the text specifically states that they are mutually exclusive,=20= >> that would be >> an implementation error. I don't think that it is within the scope of=20= >> this draft to >> state what should happen when there is an implementation error. >=20 > Thinking about this some more, we could say: >=20 > Either the C-bit or the S-bit MUST be set. > the C-bit and S-bit are mutually exclusive from each other, and=20 > cannot be > set in the same message. Otherwise, a Label Release message with > status code set to "The C-bit and S-bit can not both be set" (TBD5) > MUST be replied, and the PW will not be established. >=20 > We could introduce an additional error message, but it's probably=20 > adequate to > say: >=20 > Either the C-bit or the S-bit MUST be set. > The C-bit and S-bit are mutually exclusive from each other, and=20 > cannot be > set in the same message. In the case of either error, a Label=20 > Release message with > status code set to "The C-bit and S-bit error" (TBD5) > MUST be replied, and the PW will not be established. >=20 > If parametrised messages are allowed I would say: >=20 > "The C-bit and S-bit error [, ]" >=20 > Since zero or two bits are clearly an implementation error, I am not > convinced that we need to do more than flag it up sufficiently that > the an implementer can figure out what they got wrong. >=20 > Stewart >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 6 15:25:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DCB12D0C3; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:25:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Alissa Cooper" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.25.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160706222540.26716.61318.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 15:25:40 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: stewart.bryant@gmail.com, pals-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 22:25:40 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In Section 1: "Further, the operators may apply different protection mechanisms on different parts of the network. As such, for optimal traffic management, traffic belonging to a particular user should traverse over the same fiber. That implies that both forwarding and reserve direction PWs that belong to the same user flow need to be mapped to the same co- routed bi-directional LSP or two LSPs with the same route." I'm wondering if this is a bit over-stated, and if "protection mechanisms" means specifically MPLS protection or if it is really a euphemism for a wide class of things, some of which are in an individual user's interest, and some of which are not (e.g., traffic shaping, content filtering, etc.). I think these claims should be stated more neutrally, e.g., "operators may prefer to have a user's traffic traverse the same fiber" rather than talking about "optimal traffic management." And "protection" should either be defined, or a more descriptive term should be used. 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Martini \(lmartini\)" , "draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction@tools.ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] IPR Poll for draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-00 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 02:35:28 -0000 --_000_EBC8E8FAE18143909BED1486066F5456ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is also all the IPR I know about. George On Jun 30, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Stewart Bryant > wrote: I have seen the Cisco IPR statement associated with the draft. I assume that this is all the IPR that Luca knows about. As far as I can see, I have not heard from George or Elisa. Once I hear from them I will start the WGLC. Stewart On 22/06/2016 19:04, Luca Martini wrote: Stewart, Cisco has been granted us patent no. 8,619,598 that applies to this documen= t. I believe that an IPR statement should be in the ietf tool already , but if= in case it has been lost, i will get a new one sent. Thanks. Luca On 06/09/2016 01:03 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: The authors of draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction have requested WG LC on this draft. Before I start that, and whilst they look at some issues with the text, I would like to run the usual IPR Poll. Authors please reply to this email indicating whether or not you know of any IPR that applies to this draft that has not yet been declared. I will need a reply from each of you before we can proceed. WG members, if you know of any IPR that applies to this draft which has not yet been declared, please initiate an IPR disclosure and reply to this email informing the WG to let us know. I will close this poll on 28th June 2016. Regards Stewart --_000_EBC8E8FAE18143909BED1486066F5456ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is also all the IPR I know about. 

George

On Jun 30, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

I have seen the Cisco IPR statement associated with the draft.

I assume that this is all the IPR that Luca knows about.

As far as I can see, I have not heard from George or Elisa.

Once I hear from them I will start the WGLC.

Stewart



On 22/06/2016 19:04, Luca Martini wrote:
Stewart,

Cisco has been granted us patent no. 8,619,598 that applies to this = document.
I believe that an IPR statement should be in the ietf tool already , but if= in case it has been lost, i will get a new one sent.
Thanks.
Luca


On 06/09/2016 01:03 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote:
The authors of draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction have request=
ed WG LC
on this draft.

Before I start that, and whilst they look at some issues with the text,
I would like to run the usual IPR Poll.

Authors please reply to this email indicating whether or not you
know of any IPR that applies  to this draft that has not yet been
declared. I will need a reply from each of you before we can proceed.

WG members, if you know of any IPR that applies to this draft which has
not yet been declared, please initiate an IPR disclosure and reply to this
email informing the WG to let us know.

I will close this poll on 28th June 2016.

Regards

Stewart


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Note that due to no agenda requests, we=E2=80=99ve cancele= d the PALS session in Berlin. Stewart and I will both be in Berlin if you n= eed us for anything, and if necessary for WG business, we can hold a post-I= ETF virtual interim meeting. Stewart is also preparing the usual WG status = slides, which we=E2=80=99ll put online on the meeting materials page prior = to the meeting, and we=E2=80=99ll email a pointer to the slides when they= =E2=80=99re up. Let us know if you have any questions.

T= hanks,
Andy and Stewart

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:47:41 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A few questions/comments: 1) The shepherd writeup says: "An IPR discolusure has been filed and the WG has not remarked on this." Does this mean the wg is not aware of it or it is aware and nobody commented? 2) Acronym: I found a few acronyms that where not spelled out, e.g. FEC as well as LDP and TE in the abstract. One can argue if that's needed but usually I think it helps. Further there are quite a few acronyms that are introduced somewhere and then never used again (e.g. Point-to-Point (P2P); that makes it actually harder to read, so I would recommend to remove them. 3) I think I don't understand the following MUST: "PSN Tunnel Binding TLV is an optional TLV and MUST be carried in the Label Mapping message [RFC5036] if PW to LSP binding is required." and again later "To perform PSN binding, the Label Mapping messages MUST carry a PSN Tunnel Binding TLV". Maybe just remove it? 4) Why is there a "MUST be zero" and a "Reserved" field? Shouldn't this all just be a large "Reserved" field? And the "Reserve" field is not discussed. 5) On the T (Tunnel Representation) bit: Why is that an extra bit? Usually you can simply use the length field here and then either have the LSP Number fields in the sub-TLV or not. 6) Why are there two bits for C and S if they are mutual exclusive and one of them has to be set? In this case you should use one bit and say e.g. 0 means S(trict) and 1 means C(o-routed path). This would also avoid the error case when both are set! (Otherwise if it should be possible to not set both flags, this case is not described in the draft and must be added.) 7) Sub-TLV: I'm not an LDP expert but I assume having sub-TLV is not a general concept that is widely used this way but something introduced in this document. If that's the case, I have a couple of questions/remarks: - Given that the PSN Tunnel Binding TLV already has a length field that includes the sub-TLV, why do you need another length field in the sub-TLV? - Why is there another 'Reserved' field in the sub_TLV (that is also not discussed)? - If you already have different types of sub-TLVs here, why don't you simply define some with or without the the LSP Number fields instead of the T bit? - And finally do you really need these sub-TLVs or would a flag be enough to indicate IPv4 or IPv6 (or again just use the length field to distinguish)? - And this should be normative "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV can only have one such sub-TLV." -> "Each PSN Tunnel Binding TLV MUST have only one such sub-TLV." and you must specify what happen if more then one is presented (if you actually want to use sub-TLVs). 8) There are a couple of MUSTs basically twice in the document (once in section 2 and another time in sections 4 and 5). I would recommend to avoid these duplications and subsequent redundancy and really state it only once to avoid any future confusions. From nobody Tue Jul 12 00:52:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB7412D744 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.189 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.189 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXlKxYTo3gTU for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kuehlewind.net (kuehlewind.net [83.169.45.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24B3212B062 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20378 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2016 09:45:44 +0200 Received: from wlan.dagstuhl.de (HELO ?192.168.12.26?) (192.76.146.51) by kuehlewind.net with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 12 Jul 2016 09:45:43 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:45:42 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <63DE8EDB-9809-43B3-941A-0A1AF6ABF86D@kuehlewind.net> References: <20160705163846.22350.79584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7b9f5b06-0c05-bda2-75ec-ebee6210ba60@gmail.com> <31D98B35-33CD-4BD6-8DCF-4593E4AC53FC@kuehlewind.net> To: Mach Chen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , The IESG , "pals@ietf.org" , Stewart Bryant , "draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-p?= =?utf-8?q?als-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT?= =?utf-8?q?=29?= X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:52:29 -0000 Thanks, I clear my discuss. Please update the draft and resubmit. Mirja > Am 12.07.2016 um 09:42 schrieb Mach Chen : >=20 > Hi Mirja, all, >=20 > Usually unknown or unexpected TLVs are usually simply silently = discarded in MPLS. Usually protocols designs we prefer not to be = complicated for implementation errors ("too chatty"). As you say, = though, we already noted for an error for "C-bit set and S-bit set" so = we'll do the same for "C-bit clear and S-bit clear. If "both C-bit and = S-bit" are set or "both C-bit and S-bit are clear" are received, we will = use the error code "C-bit or S-bit unknown". This error code will also = allow future extensions which may use those bits. >=20 > So, how about the following modification? >=20 > OLD: > " C-bit and S-bit are mutually exclusive from each other, and cannot = be set in the same message. Otherwise, a Label Release message with = status code set to "The C-bit and S-bit cannot both be set" (TBD5) MUST = be replied, and the PW will not be established." >=20 > New: > "Either the C-bit or the S-bit MUST be set. The C-bit and S-bit are = mutually exclusive from each other, and cannot be set in the same = message. If "both C-bit and S-bit are set" or "both C-bit and S-bit are = clear" are received, a Label Release message with status code set to = "The C-bit or S-bit unknown" (TBD5) MUST be replied, and the PW will not = be established." >=20 > Hope this addresses your DISCUSS! >=20 > Thanks, > Mach >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mirja = Kuehlewind (IETF) >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 4:57 AM >> To: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A >> Cc: Stewart Bryant; pals-chairs@ietf.org; The IESG; >> draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Pals] Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's Discuss on >> draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: (with DISCUSS and = COMMENT) >>=20 >> Hi Deborah, hi Stewart, hi all, >>=20 >> see below. >>=20 >>> Am 06.07.2016 um 17:34 schrieb BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A >> : >>>=20 >>> I agree with Stewart - for the two bits to be set would be an >>> implementation error. Not an operational error. The use of the two >>> bits has been stable from the -00 version of the draft. There are >>> always multiple ways to do a protocol design. And various tradeoffs. >>> There are also operational positives for having two bits. Sub-TLVs = are >>> very common (PW, MPLS, GMPLS). The extra bit in an optional sub-TLV >>> used when setting up a path is not going to break any bandwidth >>> bank:-) >>=20 >> I personally think having these two bits here is really bad protocol = design >> practice (and has no gain but can cause errors) but that=E2=80=99s = not what my discuss >> is on. This design decision is the decision of the wg and I only made = a proposal >> in the comments. However, the document makes unfortunately the = impression >> to me that there was actually not enough wg discussion about this doc = and the >> protocol design itself. >>=20 >> My discuss is on the part that the spec is not fully specified. = Having both bits >> set or not set is not only an implementation error, this can also = happen on the >> path. So how to react to these situations at receiver side should = still be >> specified. Further, the case where both bits are set is specified as = an error case >> while both bits unset is not; that just doesn=E2=80=99t make sense=E2=80= =A6 >>=20 >> These things can be easily fixed (with probably 2 extra sentences) = but MUST be >> fixed before publication. >>=20 >> In case the authors decide to actually change the protocol design = (based on my >> suggestions) as Mach indicated earlier, the chairs and the AD have to = decide if >> this doc has to go back to the wg. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> As Stewart noted on his other email, PALS followed the Routing Area = process >> of asking on IPR at the time of Last Call. We don't require positive = confirmation >> that no one has concerns, only if they have concerns. >>=20 >> This was just a clarification question because I=E2=80=99ve read this = sentence in the >> shepherd write-up and it was not fully clear to me what this was = supposed to >> say. Thanks for the clarification! That=E2=80=99s all good. >>=20 >> Mirja >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Much thanks Mirja for your interest and very comprehensive review - = let us >> know if Stewart's proposal is acceptable to clear your discuss. >>>=20 >>> Deborah >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: iesg [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart = Bryant >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:58 AM >>> To: Mirja Kuehlewind ; The IESG >>> Cc: pals-chairs@ietf.org; >>> draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's Discuss on >>> draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08: (with DISCUSS and >>> COMMENT) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> = -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> -- >>>>> DISCUSS: >>>>> = -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> -- >>>>>=20 >>>>> I think the protocol specification is not complete: >>>>>=20 >>>>> - What happens if none of the two S and C bits are set? >>>> Since the text specifically states that they are mutually = exclusive, >>>> that would be an implementation error. I don't think that it is >>>> within the scope of this draft to state what should happen when = there >>>> is an implementation error. >>>=20 >>> Thinking about this some more, we could say: >>>=20 >>> Either the C-bit or the S-bit MUST be set. >>> the C-bit and S-bit are mutually exclusive from each other, and >>> cannot be >>> set in the same message. Otherwise, a Label Release message with >>> status code set to "The C-bit and S-bit can not both be set" = (TBD5) >>> MUST be replied, and the PW will not be established. >>>=20 >>> We could introduce an additional error message, but it's probably >>> adequate to >>> say: >>>=20 >>> Either the C-bit or the S-bit MUST be set. >>> The C-bit and S-bit are mutually exclusive from each other, and >>> cannot be >>> set in the same message. In the case of either error, a Label >>> Release message with >>> status code set to "The C-bit and S-bit error" (TBD5) >>> MUST be replied, and the PW will not be established. >>>=20 >>> If parametrised messages are allowed I would say: >>>=20 >>> "The C-bit and S-bit error [, ]" >>>=20 >>> Since zero or two bits are clearly an implementation error, I am not >>> convinced that we need to do more than flag it up sufficiently that >>> the an implementer can figure out what they got wrong. >>>=20 >>> Stewart >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Pals mailing list >> Pals@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals From nobody Tue Jul 12 01:49:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D306112D755; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:49:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aSQx15A6_48d; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 761B112D0F1; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CNN77103; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:49:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA416-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.35) by lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.104) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:49:35 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.173]) by SZXEMA416-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:49:32 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" Thread-Topic: =?utf-8?B?W1BhbHNdIE1pcmphIEvDvGhsZXdpbmQncyBEaXNjdXNzIG9uIGRyYWZ0LWll?= =?utf-8?B?dGYtcGFscy1tcGxzLXRwLXB3LW92ZXItYmlkaXItbHNwLTA4OiAod2l0aCBE?= =?utf-8?Q?ISCUSS_and_COMMENT)?= Thread-Index: AQHR1tu4vG3B3U+azU26eaxj5RuoiaAKxWMAgAAS84CAACu6gIAAWd4AgAjA7SD//9AZAIAAl1rA Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:49:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160705163846.22350.79584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7b9f5b06-0c05-bda2-75ec-ebee6210ba60@gmail.com> <31D98B35-33CD-4BD6-8DCF-4593E4AC53FC@kuehlewind.net> <63DE8EDB-9809-43B3-941A-0A1AF6ABF86D@kuehlewind.net> In-Reply-To: <63DE8EDB-9809-43B3-941A-0A1AF6ABF86D@kuehlewind.net> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.102.135] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090205.5784AF21.001D, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.3.173, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: ca88831cfccdced8a3bd27c081d8ac08 Archived-At: Cc: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , The IESG , "pals@ietf.org" , Stewart Bryant , "draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Discuss_on_draft-ietf-p?= =?utf-8?q?als-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-08=3A_=28with_DISCUSS_and_COMMENT?= =?utf-8?q?=29?= X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:12:28 GMT Received: from FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr712wxchhub03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.74]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u6CJCSAZ023035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:12:28 +0200 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA07.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.3.160]) by FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:12:28 +0200 From: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE)" To: "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pals] IPR on draft-ietf-pals-endpoint-fast-protection Thread-Index: AQHRwY+SOwRlA6y9LkOJlCARDRUHy6AU1rgAgACI0IA= Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:12:27 +0000 Message-ID: <8C403CF3-870C-44F7-8E1D-E0C1F41FF617@nokia.com> References: <010a6365-a7ed-e9c9-932a-dc253cd4fb56@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/0.0.0.151008 x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.41] Content-Type: text/plain; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:12:32 -0000 Tm90IGF3YXJlIG9mIElQUiByZWxhdGVkIHRvIHRoaXMgZHJhZnQNCg0KDQoNCj4NCj4NCj5PbiA2 LzgvMTYsIDEwOjEwIEFNLCAiUGFscyBvbiBiZWhhbGYgb2YgU3Rld2FydCBCcnlhbnQiIDxwYWxz LWJvdW5jZXNAaWV0Zi5vcmcgb24gYmVoYWxmIG9mIHN0ZXdhcnQuYnJ5YW50QGdtYWlsLmNvbT4g d3JvdGU6DQo+DQo+SSBoYXZlIGp1c3QgcGlja2VkIHVwIGRyYWZ0LWlldGYtcGFscy1lbmRwb2lu dC1mYXN0LXByb3RlY3Rpb24sIGFuZCBhbSANCj50cnlpbmcgdG8gZmlndXJlIG91dCB3aGVyZSB3 ZSBhcmUgd2l0aCBJUFIgZGlzY2xvc3VyZXMgb24gdGhpcy4NCj4NCj5UaGlzIHdhcyBhdCBvbmUg dGltZSBhIHZlcnkgYWN0aXZlIHdvcmsgYXJlYSBhbmQgc28gSSB3YXMgc3VycHJpc2VkIHRvIA0K Pm9ubHkgc2VlIG9uZSBkaXNjbG9zdXJlLg0KPg0KPkkgaGF2ZSBmaWxlZCBhIHRoaXJkIHBhcnR5 IGRpc2Nsb3N1cmUgb24gYSBwYXRlbnQgdGhhdCBtYXkgYmUgcmVsZXZhbnQuDQo+DQo+U29ycnkg aWYgdGhpcyBpcyB0aGUgc2Vjb25kIHRpbWUgb2YgYXNraW5nLCBidXQgcGxlYXNlIGNhbiBlYWNo IGF1dGhvciANCj5yZXNwb25kIHRvIHRoaXMgZW1haWwgaW5kaWNhdGluZyB3aGV0aGVyIG9yIG5v dCB0aGV5IGFyZSBhd2FyZSBvZiBhbnkgDQo+cmVsZXZhbnQgSVBSLg0KPg0KPklmIGFueSBtZW1i ZXIgb2YgdGhlIHdvcmtpbmcgZ3JvdXAgaXMgYXdhcmUgb2YgYW55IElQUiwgcGxlYXNlIGNhbiB0 aGV5IA0KPmFsc28gaW5kaWNhdGUgdGhpcyB0byB0aGUgd29ya2luZyBncm91cCBieSByZXNwb25k aW5nIHRvIHRoaXMgZW1haWwuDQo+DQo+VGhhbmtzDQo+DQo+U3Rld2FydA0KPg0KPg0KPl9fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQo+UGFscyBtYWlsaW5n IGxpc3QNCj5QYWxzQGlldGYub3JnDQo+aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaWV0Zi5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0 aW5mby9wYWxzDQo+DQo+DQo= From nobody Tue Jul 12 13:11:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4B512D62D; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:10:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160712201059.5228.82232.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:10:59 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] IPR Disclosure Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 20:10:59 -0000 Dear Luca Martini, Elisa Bellagamba, George Swallow: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "MPLS LSP PW status refresh reduction for Static Pseudowires" (draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2818/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Tue Jul 12 17:49:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EF812DB65; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:49:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.889 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UVXGg0ferYaH; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3118112DB75; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 1C2DCB813AD; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:49:16 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20160713004916.1C2DCB813AD@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, pals@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Pals] RFC 7885 on Seamless Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (S-BFD) for Virtual Circuit Connectivity Verification (VCCV) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:49:49 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 7885 Title: Seamless Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (S-BFD) for Virtual Circuit Connectivity Verification (VCCV) Author: V. Govindan, C. Pignataro Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: July 2016 Mailbox: venggovi@cisco.com, cpignata@cisco.com Pages: 11 Characters: 22500 Updates: RFC 5885 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-pals-seamless-vccv-03.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7885 DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7885 This document defines Seamless BFD (S-BFD) for VCCV by extending the procedures and Connectivity Verification (CV) types already defined for Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for Virtual Circuit Connectivity Verification (VCCV). This document updates RFC 5885 by extending the CV Type values and the capability selection. 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([2601:647:4280:e4b0:ec2a:9e11:14b8:76c4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x66sm4982226pfi.84.2016.07.15.07.39.16 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Jul 2016 07:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Shahram Davari X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-Reply-To: <3cb4d475-c96c-5656-5d72-afb8af97b1a7@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 07:39:16 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7D7FF146-992F-40F5-9E5B-9301C54D9D22@broadcom.com> References: <3cb4d475-c96c-5656-5d72-afb8af97b1a7@gmail.com> To: Stewart Bryant Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection@tools.ietf.org, "pals-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pals] IPR check on draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:39:34 -0000 Hi I am not aware of Any IPR related to this draft. Regards, Shahram > On Jun 17, 2016, at 2:25 AM, Stewart Bryant wro= te: >=20 > The authors have indicated that draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protec= tion > is ready for WG last call. >=20 > Before I start that last call, I would like to check that we know about th= e IPR > related to this draft. >=20 > Please can I ask the authors to reply to this email indicating whether or n= ot > they know of any IPR that needs to be declared. >=20 > Please can I ask any member of the WG that knows of any IPR that needs > to be declared to either declare it or to inform the WG that they have > initiated the declaration process. >=20 > I will close this call on 4th July 2016. >=20 > Thanks for your help with this. >=20 > Stewart >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Pals mailing list > Pals@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals From nobody Wed Jul 20 15:33:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2357012D08D for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:33:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xPaW0Fe669Kl for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x22a.google.com (mail-oi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 884D612B010 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id j185so92489159oih.0 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:33:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=FraIrVvMtYNxlYeEFAzKwusYdIM+LAk8AefPvJQp66M=; b=UuSCDZqNEWvo19gEZ28mTDRWhNdPEat/kZk4jiJWEp52pkhnXLDhIllZwGVmjQl8CG lwN4GxojyjEUU6bODhY3gMvbQgGBq9qnXsMxQNZAbmhVd6yMFl47XBtcHhxR2c1oEvb8 TgBFdkdickrHNbCGFcJJZ3JuQw1wB2n79Cfenw+jt9cIldrju10hlfy2bZ+b61og4ELX z5M6b4bRBKFqVAzTg+iKPCfQsHyWUNrNNEmAmM+pB5zOT9J3KjxouNA3V6tHZNHj3+5A 0OxZxbM6w3ThAINRmOmrqOL6Lp2zHeYtI5tdVSWL6gHTZjvAO1K/yenOCeG/H/vo2HA3 1ziA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=FraIrVvMtYNxlYeEFAzKwusYdIM+LAk8AefPvJQp66M=; b=SFru1M+GQkTonzVHJw5bPBWdt2wwESSgHVULvwD+OYAJdMAnDGd62o9ZyjF1P/Spxx DhDyDpjeHYFl3owMAB+CyQi4tnSJMusCyfbEKRab4JM7YkyEjFqBHCyqOrNbRWnKIyGm //aEzOCvd672sNXPhGj2JLGoSX5+xrJrawILfyOoWQHvM3Kk10IO3IQc9sQmUujdAH3Q +NLj7PkISpJblSws37NpcVtcrA26J2NHGZmUl4QB/orDRllVq8eNGb5TbNExj9wVTBIQ WitlzVl+bo+StviMmBY5B6wLlN3HzRXk1gEGv/y1k1UtKJUSF8Ak7krDl1ZeTbOe8cns xzZw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLlmrqYn0ksazaESy0CADIpcDYPgZPTjFAN0kVupqpGaO5O0Bpd0VxrFuJv5r9PWoaNbqff+nq23PUYiQ== X-Received: by 10.157.22.217 with SMTP id s25mr29169931ots.20.1469054011767; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:33:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.250.19 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:33:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 00:33:12 +0200 Message-ID: To: "pals@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ef3a28701a9053818ca80 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Reminder: No PALS meeting meeting on Thursday in Berlin X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:33:34 -0000 --001a113ef3a28701a9053818ca80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 If you come anyway, there will just be an empty room! Cheers, Andy --001a113ef3a28701a9053818ca80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
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Cheers,
Andy

--001a113ef3a28701a9053818ca80-- From nobody Thu Jul 21 05:09:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E530812B05F; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:08:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160721120859.4409.71893.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:08:59 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-09.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:09:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services of the IETF. Title : LDP Extensions for Pseudowire Binding to LSP Tunnels Authors : Mach(Guoyi) Chen Wei Cao Attila Takacs Ping Pan Filename : draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-09.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2016-07-21 Abstract: Many transport services require that user traffic, in the form of Pseudowires (PW), be delivered via either a single co-routed bidirectional tunnel or two unidirectional tunnels that share the same routes. This document defines an optional extension to Label Distribution Protocol (LDP) that enables the binding between PWs and the underlying Traffic Engineering (TE) tunnels. The extension applies to both single-segment and multi-segment PWs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jul 21 05:46:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1636C12D5B5; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vAPENKfrYW_7; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2230812B059; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CSY95531; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:45:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA416-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.35) by lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.182) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:45:01 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.224]) by SZXEMA416-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:44:59 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: "iesg@ietf.org" , Stewart Bryant , "Andrew G. Malis" , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-09.txt Thread-Index: AQHR40jDOa0GxqdUL0u5u5C6N1DC26Ai0qfJ Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:44:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160721120900.4409.56067.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20160721120900.4409.56067.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.219.141] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020204.5790C3F7.00D6, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.3.224, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 539a1f835a4a0b3c11a2ce8d6bdf90bf Archived-At: Cc: "pals@ietf.org" Subject: [Pals] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-09.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:45:48 -0000 This version addresses the IESG review comments! Thanks, Mach ________________________________________ From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [internet-drafts@ietf.org] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 20:09 To: Mach Chen; Caowei (Wayne); Mach Chen; Attila Takacs Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir= -lsp-09.txt A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-09.txt has been successfully submitted by Mach(Guoyi) Chen and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp Revision: 09 Title: LDP Extensions for Pseudowire Binding to LSP Tunnels Document date: 2016-07-21 Group: pals Pages: 16 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-t= p-pw-over-bidir-lsp-09.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw= -over-bidir-lsp/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over= -bidir-lsp-09 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp= -pw-over-bidir-lsp-09 Abstract: Many transport services require that user traffic, in the form of Pseudowires (PW), be delivered via either a single co-routed bidirectional tunnel or two unidirectional tunnels that share the same routes. This document defines an optional extension to Label Distribution Protocol (LDP) that enables the binding between PWs and the underlying Traffic Engineering (TE) tunnels. The extension applies to both single-segment and multi-segment PWs. 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The IETF Secretariat= From nobody Fri Jul 22 07:02:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3550512D8E8; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160722140205.12260.84365.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:02:05 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: db3546@att.com, pals-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG , pals@ietf.org, stewart.bryant@gmail.com, draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Pals] Protocol Action: 'LDP Extensions for Pseudowire Binding to LSP Tunnels' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-09.txt) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:02:05 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'LDP Extensions for Pseudowire Binding to LSP Tunnels' (draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp-09.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-pw-over-bidir-lsp/ Technical Summary Many transport services require that user traffic, in the form of Pseudowires (PW), be delivered via either a single co-routed bidirectional tunnel or two unidirectional tunnels that share the same routes. This document defines an optional extension to LDP that enables the binding between PWs and the underlying TE tunnels. The extension applies to both single-segment and multi-segment PWs. Working Group Summary The working group process was unremarkable. Document Quality The document has been well reviewed over time and is of good quality. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Stewart Bryant Who is the Responsible Area Director? Deborah Brungard From nobody Wed Jul 27 14:05:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEC212DD80; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:04:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160727210452.10533.86256.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:04:52 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] IPR Disclosure Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-pals-endpoint-fast-protection X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 21:04:52 -0000 Dear Yimin Shen, Rahul Aggarwal, Wim Henderickx, Yuanlong Jiang: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "PW Endpoint Fast Failure Protection" (draft-ietf-pals-endpoint-fast-protection) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2825/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-pals-endpoint-fast-protection" Thank you IETF Secretariat