From nobody Fri May 5 08:34:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F148912943B; Fri, 5 May 2017 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: db3546@att.com, agmalis@gmail.com, pals-chairs@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping@ietf.org Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <149399847394.8410.10673558056567134419.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 08:34:33 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Last Call: (Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) over Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS)) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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Abstract This document describes the procedures and recommendations for Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Provider Edges (PEs) to facilitate replication of multicast traffic to only certain ports (behind which there are interested Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) routers and/or Internet Group Management Protocol (IGMP) hosts) via Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) snooping and proxying. With PIM snooping, PEs passively listen to certain PIM control messages to build control and forwarding states while transparently flooding those messages. With PIM proxying, Provider Edges (PEs) do not flood PIM Join/Prune messages but only generate their own and send out of certain ports, based on the control states built from downstream Join/Prune messages. PIM proxying is required when PIM Join suppression is enabled on the Customer Equipment (CE) devices and useful to reduce PIM control traffic in a VPLS domain. The document also describes PIM relay, which can be viewed as light- weight proxying, where all downstream Join/Prune messages are simply forwarded out of certain ports but not flooded to avoid triggering PIM Join suppression on CE devices. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2366/ From nobody Wed May 10 17:42:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED3A129AA8; Wed, 10 May 2017 17:42:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FZ15loX8E0NC; Wed, 10 May 2017 17:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDA99129687; Wed, 10 May 2017 17:42:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=39142; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1494463375; x=1495672975; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=uGm2GrnLMwtrPAIm+zQ6J1BTsNCsVnmxQbYQkN6MDzQ=; b=ZZiOdD7B8K/gmv9k1wUK8Q+wVHHu9hjqkkBL8GtLU1vP/taa5ejVjLN5 H7L6cDHzpVwSBVA47KpZ/nN0TpAz+UMgZz1S4N1DIujAJD4de5BRnarqw pK1Fw5xyr60TK93jSuGv+jj8tOpEIguCBFiL2itpUF+ck41z8bEr4jeEs w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CVAQAmsxNZ/4oNJK1dGgEBAQECAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QgBAQEBgm5nYoEMAQaDYooYp0yCDyyFeByEaD8YAQIBAQEBAQEBax0LhT8KTBI?= =?us-ascii?q?BBhYkAQkCBDAnBA6KJQ6UKp1ggiYrikoBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEdh?= =?us-ascii?q?l+BXQErh3OCci+CMQWJS5Q/AYcbi3+CBFWBDINaiiyGNI4OAQ8QOIEKcBVYAYR?= =?us-ascii?q?jHIFjd4gLgQ0BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.38,321,1491264000"; d="scan'208,217";a="424058604" Received: from alln-core-5.cisco.com ([173.36.13.138]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 11 May 2017 00:42:53 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-010.cisco.com (xch-rtp-010.cisco.com [64.101.220.150]) by alln-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v4B0grwP002950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2017 00:42:53 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-009.cisco.com (64.101.220.149) by XCH-RTP-010.cisco.com (64.101.220.150) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 10 May 2017 20:42:52 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-009.cisco.com ([64.101.220.149]) by XCH-RTP-009.cisco.com ([64.101.220.149]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 10 May 2017 20:42:52 -0400 From: "Patrice Brissette (pbrisset)" To: "draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-02@ietf.org" CC: "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" , Jonathan Hardwick , Min Ye , "db3546@att.com" Thread-Topic: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHSye+FRsEKCBWmy0+OMqPB6EOaHw== Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 00:42:52 +0000 Message-ID: <34EAD12F-59EB-4CFE-B237-ABE5C18D1C56@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.21.0.170409 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.82.178.18] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_34EAD12F59EB4CFEB237ABE5C18D1C56ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-02.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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(MDT) To: Warren Kumari , The IESG References: <149185180609.3110.3817696698007953660.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Cc: draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction@ietf.org, Stewart Bryant , pals-chairs@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org, j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de From: Luca Martini Organization: Monoski Message-ID: <5913B5DA.1000805@monoski.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 18:52:42 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <149185180609.3110.3817696698007953660.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 00:52:54 -0000 Warren, Thanks for the comment, I updated the document to remove all the extra | as you mention. To answer your question: We wanted an example algorithm that would work in the document. Luca On 04/10/17 13:16, Warren Kumari wrote: > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-04: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I agree with Benoit re: Jürgen's review. > > I was also quite confused by: > " In order to get a locally unique session ID, the recommended choice is > to perform a CRC-16 giving as input the following data > |Y|Y|M|M|D|D|H|H|M|M|S|S|L|L|L| > > Where: YY: are the decimal two last digit of the current year > MM: are the decimal two digit of the current month DD: are the > decimal two digit of the current day HHMMSSLLL: are the decimal > digits of the current time expressed in (hour, minutes, seconds, > milliseconds) ... Any other method to > generate a locally unique session ID is also acceptable." > > Is the pipe character intended to mean concatenation? Or is it just for > formatting? > If the former, why isn't this "YY|MM|DD|HHMMSSLLL" (or > "YY|MM|DD|HH|MM|SS|LLL")? > Is this just CRC-16 (170410124223001)? An example would help... > Actually, this says that it is a "locally unique session ID" and that any > other method is also acceptable, so why is any algorithm specified? > > From nobody Wed May 10 18:05:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079EA12949A; Wed, 10 May 2017 18:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.891 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.891 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k3pKi4aoOPVj; Wed, 10 May 2017 18:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from napoleon.monoski.com (napoleon.monoski.com [70.90.113.113]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F12A512EAE2; Wed, 10 May 2017 18:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from confusion.monoski.com (confusion.monoski.com [209.245.27.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by napoleon.monoski.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id v4B15K3t021025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 10 May 2017 19:05:20 -0600 (MDT) To: Benoit Claise , The IESG References: <149183417336.3169.4090650965570837178.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Cc: draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction@ietf.org, Stewart Bryant , pals-chairs@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org, j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de From: Luca Martini Organization: Monoski Message-ID: <5913B8CA.1090601@monoski.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 19:05:14 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <149183417336.3169.4090650965570837178.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 01:05:31 -0000 Benoit, Comments inline Thanks. Luca On 04/10/17 08:22, Benoit Claise wrote: > Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-04: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > As mentioned by Jürgen in his OPS-DIR review: > > Section 1.2 is not really about terminology but instead it basically > expands acronyms. The section does not define any terms or does it > make it clear where terms are defined. A reader who does not know > T-PE > will not be pointed to a document that defines 'Terminating Provider > Edge Node of MS-PW'. I usally find terminology sections more useful > if > they say where definitions of terms get be found. > > Section 3: s/the the/the/ > > Section 4: What is the 'Version' field in the message format? as the text says : explained in [RFC5586] > Section 4: There is an 8-bit field marked U C Flags and I _assume_ > the > U and C bits are the 'first' two bits and the 'remaining bits are the > flags managed by IANA. Perhaps make this clearer, e.g.: > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Last Received Seq Number | Message Type |U|C| Flags | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ yes - the ascii art was incorrect. > Or alternatively simply name the entire 8-bit flags field like you do > in the text where you refer to Message Flags and then explain in the > text under the 'Message Flags' that the first two bits have a fixed > meaning. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Last Received Seq Number | Message Type | Message Flags | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > This option carries less information but then you use 'Message Flags' > in several places and you also request an IANA registry for Message > Flags where the U and C bit are allocated. Looking at the IANA text, > it says 'bit position' 0 and 1. Not sure this is clear enough, you > seem to number bits in the order 0, 1, 2, ... > > It turns out we have several slightly different labels further down > in > the document for this flags field throughout the document - this > makes > searching in the text difficult, please use a single consistent name > for this message field. > Yes! thanks for catching this. We suffer from multiple editor syndrome ;-) > Section 8.2 says values 1 and 2 are defined in this document but then > it seems value 3 is also allocated, no? yes - fixed. > Subsections of section 8 switches several times between decimal and > hexadecimal numbers. Perhaps things get clearer if a single number > system (e.g., hexadecimal) is used when talking about a specific > registry. Numbers like 134,217,728 look somewhat confusing, 0x8000000 > seems simpler. > > I would have kept it all in hexadecimal format , but somehow I think someone asked for the text to be decimal. IANA already processed this , so I would like to leave it as is. Thanks. 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6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149446531632.16715.2861233468294466753@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 18:15:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-02 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 01:15:16 -0000 Reviewer: Patrice Brissette Review result: Has Issues [Resending to RTG-DIR] Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-02.txt Reviewer: Patrice Brissette Review Date: May 10, 2017 IETF LC End Date: May 12, 2017 Intended Status: Standard Track Summary: • I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved before publication. Comments: • Please supply an overview of the draft quality and readability. • Include anything else that you think will be helpful toward understanding your review. Major Issues: • "No major issues found." Minor Issues: • Technically, I think the draft is completed. However, it doesn’t flow very well. Information is all over. I suggest the authors to review the layout/flow of the document. Here are my “detailed” comments: Abstract — What is the plus value on that draft? No clear Many Long sentences in the text. very hard to understand and follow. Syntax to be improved. Introduction Typo : “A reference model or a P2MP PW is depicted in Figure 1 below” “In this document, we specify a method of signaling P2MP PW using LDP.” —> suggest to move it from intro to abstract Also, make sure the 3rd person is used. Try to a void “we” usage May I suggest to have a requirement section. Requirements are all over the document. “ In case of mLDP, a Leaf-PE can decide to join the P2MP LSP at any time; whereas in the case of RSVP-TE, the P2MP LSP is set up by the R-PE, generally at the initial service provisioning time. It should be noted that local policy can override any decision to join, add or prune existing or new L-PE(s) from the tree. In any case, the PW setup can ignore these differences, and simply assume that the P2MP PSN LSP is available when needed “ Quite complex to follow. Missing to “why” / explanation. “The LDP liberal label retention mode is used“ Another requirement… is that a MAY, SHOULD, MUST? “In this case, a PW status message with status code of 0x00000008 (Local PSN-facing PW (ingress) Receive Fault) MUST also be sent to the R-PE“ How? The L-PE fails to join the P2MP PSN LSP. Section 2.2 “ Note that since the LDP label mapping message is only sent by the R- PE to all the L-PEs, it is not possible to negotiate any interface parameters.“ Why is that note there? Is that already been mentioned previously. Fig.4 must be moved to proper in the text OR create 2 subsection in 2.2 “As such, PW status negotiation procedure described in [RFC4447bis] is not applicable to P2MP PW. A node MUST NOT claim to be P2MP PW capable by sending a LDP P2MP PW Capability TLV if it is not also capable of handling PW status“ Should a node send LDP P2MP PW Capability TLV or not? Not well explain There is some reference to LSR in the text where the major part use the wording “node”. Nits: N/A Regards, Patrice Brissette From nobody Wed May 10 20:40:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502FA12EB36; Wed, 10 May 2017 20:39:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carlos Pignataro To: Cc: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping.all@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149447399530.16677.4293059249698999292@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 20:39:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 03:39:55 -0000 Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro Review result: Has Nits This is a well written, and comprehensive document. Only a couple of nits, for the authors consideration: * In some places, the text uses "Pim" instead of "PIM" * The Appendices are a bit abruptly integrated. A better description of what Appendix A is, maybe even a more descriptive title, and the normative-level of the Appendices would help (even for an Informational document.) Thanks, -- Carlos. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 08:14:52 -0000 --f403045e23a868577b054f3b2e66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okey dokey. Thanks, works for me. W On Thu, May 11, 2017, 2:52 AM Luca Martini wrote: > Warren, > Thanks for the comment, I updated the document to remove all the extra | > as you mention. > To answer your question: We wanted an example algorithm that would work > in the document. > > Luca > > On 04/10/17 13:16, Warren Kumari wrote: > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-04: No Objection > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I agree with Benoit re: J=C3=BCrgen's review. > > > > I was also quite confused by: > > " In order to get a locally unique session ID, the recommended choice i= s > > to perform a CRC-16 giving as input the following data > > |Y|Y|M|M|D|D|H|H|M|M|S|S|L|L|L| > > > > Where: YY: are the decimal two last digit of the current year > > MM: are the decimal two digit of the current month DD: are the > > decimal two digit of the current day HHMMSSLLL: are the decimal > > digits of the current time expressed in (hour, minutes, seconds, > > milliseconds) ... Any other method to > > generate a locally unique session ID is also acceptable." > > > > Is the pipe character intended to mean concatenation? Or is it just for > > formatting? > > If the former, why isn't this "YY|MM|DD|HHMMSSLLL" (or > > "YY|MM|DD|HH|MM|SS|LLL")? > > Is this just CRC-16 (170410124223001)? An example would help... > > Actually, this says that it is a "locally unique session ID" and that a= ny > > other method is also acceptable, so why is any algorithm specified? > > > > > > --f403045e23a868577b054f3b2e66 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Okey dokey.

Thanks, works for me.

W


On Thu, May 11, 2017, 2:52 = AM Luca Martini <lmartini@monosk= i.com> wrote:
Warren,
Thanks for the comment, I updated the document to remove all the extra | as you mention.
To answer your question: We wanted an example algorithm that would work
in the document.

Luca

On 04/10/17 13:16, Warren Kumari wrote:
> Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-04: No Objection
>
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<= br> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s
> introductory paragraph, however.)
>
>
> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/i= esg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>
>
> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction/
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
>
> I agree with Benoit re: J=C3=BCrgen's review.
>
> I was also quite confused by:
> " In order to get a locally unique session ID, the recommended ch= oice is
> to perform a CRC-16 giving as input the following data
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |Y|Y|M|M|D|D|H|H|M|M|S|S|L|L|L|
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Where:=C2=A0 YY: are the decimal two last d= igit of the current year
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MM: are the decimal two digit of the curren= t month DD: are the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 decimal two digit of the current day HHMMSS= LLL: are the decimal
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 digits of the current time expressed in (ho= ur, minutes, seconds,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 milliseconds) ... Any other method to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 generate a locally unique session ID is als= o acceptable."
>
> Is the pipe character intended to mean concatenation? Or is it just fo= r
> formatting?
> If the former, why isn't this "YY|MM|DD|HHMMSSLLL" (or > "YY|MM|DD|HH|MM|SS|LLL")?
> Is this just CRC-16 (170410124223001)? An example would help...
> Actually, this says that it is a "locally unique session ID"= and that any
> other method is also acceptable, so why is any algorithm specified? >
>

--f403045e23a868577b054f3b2e66-- From nobody Thu May 11 07:11:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84627131441; Thu, 11 May 2017 07:11:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149451189149.16588.14381492762394800913@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 07:11:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-05.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 14:11:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services of the IETF. Title : MPLS LSP PW status refresh reduction for Static Pseudowires Authors : Luca Martini George Swallow Elisa Bellagamba Filename : draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-05.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2017-05-10 Abstract: This document describes a method for generating an aggregated pseudowire status message transmitted for a statically configured pseudowire on a Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Path (LSP) to indicate the status of one or more pseudowires carried on the LSP. The method for transmitting the pseudowire (PW) status information is not new, however this protocol extension allows a Service Provider (SP) to reliably monitor the individual PW status while not overwhelming the network with multiple periodic status messages. This is achieved by sending a single cumulative summary status verification message for all the PWs grouped in the same LSP. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu May 11 15:33:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116DC1292AE; Thu, 11 May 2017 15:33:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Russ Housley To: Cc: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149454198305.16624.16060763979327626869@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:33:03 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 22:33:03 -0000 Reviewer: Russ Housley Review result: Has Nits I reviewed this document as part of the Security Directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Security Area Directors. Document authors, document editors, and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other IETF Last Call comments. Document: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 Reviewer: Russ Housley Review Date: 2016-05-11 IETF LC End Date: 2017-05-19 IESG Telechat date: Unknown Summary: Has Nits I did not review the state machines in detail. I assume that others that are far more familiar with PIM have done s detailed review of them. No Major Concerns Minor Concerns Section 1 says: In that case, the PW related concept/procedures are not applicable and that's all. I am not sure what you are trying to tell the implementer. Please clarify. Section 1.3 includes: "rpt : Rendezvous Point", and Section 2.3 includes: "Rendezvous Points (RP)". Please pick one and use it throughout. In Section 2.2, please add a reference for the "split-horizon rule for mesh PWs" or add a pointer to the section where it is discussed further in this document. A better heading for Section 2.3.2 would be "IPv4 and IPv6". Nits Please change the language that makes reference to other "draft", such as: "As stated in the VPLS Multicast Requirements draft ...". This wording leads to changes by the RFC Editor, so it is better to use a word like "document". Please change "J/P messages" to "Join/Prune messages" throughout the document. The document uses both "learned" and "learnt". If there is a difference to the reader, it was too subtle for me to figure out. If they are the same, please pick one. In Section 1.1, rewording would add clarity: Depending on how the control messages are handled (transparently flooded, selectively forwarded, aggregated), the procedure/process may be called Snooping or proxy in different contexts. I suggest: Depending on whether the control messages are transparently flooded, selectively forwarded, or aggregated, the processing may be called Snooping or proxy in different contexts. Section 2.3 says: However, the PE does not need to have any routing tables like as required in PIM multicast routing. Please correct. I think you are trying to say: However, the PE does not need any routing tables like those required in PIM multicast routing. Section 4.2.1 says: Note that the differences apply only to PIM Join/Prune messages. PIM Hello messages are snooped and flooded in all cases. Wouldn't it be more clear to consume the same number of lines and add this information to the table. In Section 2.7 the document uses PIM-BIDIR and BIDIR-PIM, and they seem have the same meaning. Please pick one. From nobody Sun May 14 13:32:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37870126B6D; Sun, 14 May 2017 13:32:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: Cc: pals-chairs@ietf.org, stewart@g3ysx.org.uk, db3546@att.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149479396313.2821.12084082870707673064.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 13:32:43 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] pals - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 20:32:43 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Stewart Bryant, a Chair of the pals working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Stewart Bryant Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mpls detnet nvo3 opsawg spring rtgwg People who must be present: Stewart Bryant Andrew G. Malis Deborah Brungard Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please avoid any of the 5G related BOFs if they are approved : netslices, 5ganip, ideas --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sun May 14 18:43:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23BD129412; Sun, 14 May 2017 18:43:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Carpenter To: Cc: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping.all@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149481261662.2891.9099796768977507841@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 18:43:36 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 01:43:37 -0000 Reviewer: Brian Carpenter Review result: Ready with Issues Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05.txt Reviewer: Brian Carpenter Review Date: 2017-05-15 IETF LC End Date: 2017-05-19 IESG Telechat date: 2017-05-25 Summary: Ready with issues -------- Comment: -------- "This document isn't defining a new protocol, but rather methods to optimize the use of PIM-based multicast in a VPLS environment." [Shepherd's writeup] Also, the document uses RFC2119 terminology. So why not BCP? Major issue: ------------ > 2.11. Directly Connected Multicast Source ... > o The PE would have to do ARP snooping to determine if a source is > directly connected. What about IPv6? It may be sufficient to add Neighbor Discovery snooping, but you need to say something. Nits: ----- > 1. Introduction ... > o B. Replication on PWs on shared physical path. I realise this is declared out of scope a few lines later, but it's very "telegraphic" and hard to understand. I think you mean o B. Multicast traffic may be replicated when several PWs share a physical path. ... > While this document is in the context of VPLS, the procedures apply > to regular layer-2 switches interconnected by physical connections as > well, albeit this is outside of the scope of this document. In that > case, the PW related concept/procedures are not applicable and that's > all. That is rather unclear. How about: While this document is written in the context of VPLS, the procedures also apply to regular layer-2 switches interconnected by physical connections, except that the PW related concept and procedures do not apply in the case. > 2.2. General Rules for PIM Snooping in VPLS BPDU is used but not defined. > 2.2.1. Preserving Assert Trigger > > In PIM-SM/DM, there are scenarios where multiple routers could be > forwarding the same multicast traffic on a LAN. When this happens, > using PIM Assert election process by sending PIM Assert messages, > routers ensure that only the Assert winner forwards traffic on the > LAN. Either I have misunderstood the intention, or the second sentence is written half backwards. I *think* you mean In PIM-SM/DM, there are scenarios where multiple routers could be forwarding the same multicast traffic on a LAN. When this happens, these routers start the PIM Assert election process by sending PIM Assert messages, to ensure that only the Assert winner forwards future multicast traffic on the LAN. > 2.3.2. IPv6 What's so special about IPv6, or why isn't this section titled "IPv4"? Or better, stay neutral: 2.3.2. IP Versions > 2.3.3. PIM-SM (*,*,RP) > > This document does not address (*,*,RP) states in the VPLS network. > Although [PIM-SM] specifies that routers must support (*,*,RP) > states, there are very few implementations that actually support it > in actual deployments, and it is being removed from the PIM protocol > in its ongoing advancement process in IETF. Given that, this > document omits the specification relating to (*,*,RP) support. If I understand things correctly, you should say ... it has been removed from the PIM protocol [RFC7761]. > 2.4.3. When to Snoop and When to Proxy ... > Therefore, the general rule is that if Join Suppression is enabled on > CEs then proxying or relay MUST be used and if Suppression is known > to be disabled on all CEs then either snooping, relay, or proxying > MAY be used while snooping or relay SHOULD be used. I had to read this a few times. I think you mean Therefore, the general rule is that if Join Suppression is enabled on one or more CEs then proxying or relay MUST be used, but if Suppression is known to be disabled on all CEs then either snooping, relay, or proxying MAY be used while snooping or relay SHOULD be used. (as I understand it, even one CE with Join Suppression breaks snooping for the whole PE.) > 7. References As an RFC user, I find references like [IGMP-SNOOP] instead of [RFC4541] quite impractical. It wastes bits to use constructs like "RFC4541 [IGMP-SNOOP]", which the RFC Editor will change to "RFC 4541 [IGMP-SNOOP]". 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bulk Message-ID: <149484541809.2847.12371421041538305614.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 03:50:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] pals - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 10:50:18 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Stewart Bryant, a Chair of the pals working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Stewart Bryant Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mpls detnet nvo3 opsawg spring rtgwg ccamp rtgarea People who must be present: Stewart Bryant Andrew G. Malis Deborah Brungard Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please avoid any of the 5G related BOFs if they are approved : netslices, 5ganip, ideas --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon May 15 09:07:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1F51267BB; Mon, 15 May 2017 09:07:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1gB4q-rwcgry; Mon, 15 May 2017 09:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AD43128B44; Mon, 15 May 2017 09:02:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=10002; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1494864173; x=1496073773; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=FL8OFKAHzotlCcZDZHUgjlMnRNJ5pUaqfRfvOMVqLQQ=; b=XBs+BiiaR7nmft5OmaNMPS9QRBr7OVIlRioeATcI12jJE0kkH3Yu0uZj 4J8zp7Pr7qUsLF6KSomCIqWdnD+NoP5J/we956pMO0G7rp4OoWtB0GXM0 /oZ/qJHeMPUxW5728pOuEPz4RQLHVFbch1CY4Oyp5AXk/b6PEoflwEjaJ o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BFAQCH0BlZ/4YNJK1cGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1VigQwHg2SKGJE+IZV1gg8ohXwCGoUWPxgBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIU?= =?us-ascii?q?ZBiMREzIQAgEGAg4GBgImAgICMBUQAgQBDQUbigiOep1ggiaDP4cMAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBHYELhVSBXQErC4JlhGMHECECglgvgjEBBJZvhxsBhxu?= =?us-ascii?q?Lf4IEVYRmg2aGRoY0jg4BHziBCnAVWAGEZByBY3aHUoENAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.38,345,1491264000"; d="scan'208";a="424589387" Received: from alln-core-12.cisco.com ([173.36.13.134]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 15 May 2017 16:02:52 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-007.cisco.com (xch-rtp-007.cisco.com [64.101.220.147]) by alln-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v4FG2pL4006023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 May 2017 16:02:52 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-009.cisco.com (64.101.220.149) by XCH-RTP-007.cisco.com (64.101.220.147) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:02:51 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-009.cisco.com ([64.101.220.149]) by XCH-RTP-009.cisco.com ([64.101.220.149]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 15 May 2017 12:02:51 -0400 From: "Patrice Brissette (pbrisset)" To: Sami Boutros , Min Ye , "rtg-dir@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw.all@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-02 Thread-Index: AQHSzZS0GfuQJeqMNUWBoX3pZMCpIw== Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 16:02:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: <149446531632.16715.2861233468294466753@ietfa.amsl.com> <89E173B8-3C03-4B4A-A405-F0442B983D7F@vmware.com> In-Reply-To: <89E173B8-3C03-4B4A-A405-F0442B983D7F@vmware.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.21.0.170409 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.82.221.176] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <22C5271AC015914A98A7AE7582165054@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-02 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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Malis" Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 14:33:25 +0800 Message-ID: To: Carlos Pignataro Cc: ops-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping.all@ietf.org, IESG , "pals@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113de42282507b054f9e5a51" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 06:36:45 -0000 --001a113de42282507b054f9e5a51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Carlos, Thanks for your review! Cheers, Andy On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Carlos Pignataro wrote: > Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro > Review result: Has Nits > > This is a well written, and comprehensive document. > > Only a couple of nits, for the authors consideration: > > * In some places, the text uses "Pim" instead of "PIM" > * The Appendices are a bit abruptly integrated. A better description > of what Appendix A is, maybe even a more descriptive title, and the > normative-level of the Appendices would help (even for an > Informational document.) > > Thanks, > > -- Carlos. > > --001a113de42282507b054f9e5a51 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Carlos,

Thanks for your review!

Cheers,
Andy

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Carlos= Pignataro <cpignata@cisco.com> wrote:
Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro
Review result: Has Nits

This is a well written, and comprehensive document.

Only a couple of nits, for the authors consideration:

* In some places, the text uses "Pim" instead of "PIM"<= br> * The Appendices are a bit abruptly integrated. A better description
of what Appendix A is, maybe even a more descriptive title, and the
normative-level of the Appendices would help (even for an
Informational document.)

Thanks,

-- Carlos.


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Malis" Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 14:33:46 +0800 Message-ID: To: Russ Housley Cc: secdir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping.all@ietf.org, IETF Discussion , "pals@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c17d42c60417054f9e5b66" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 06:37:13 -0000 --001a11c17d42c60417054f9e5b66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Russ, Thanks for your review! Cheers, Andy On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Reviewer: Russ Housley > Review result: Has Nits > > I reviewed this document as part of the Security Directorate's > ongoing > effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. > These > comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Security Area > Directors. Document authors, document editors, and WG chairs should > treat these comments just like any other IETF Last Call comments. > > Document: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 > Reviewer: Russ Housley > Review Date: 2016-05-11 > IETF LC End Date: 2017-05-19 > IESG Telechat date: Unknown > > Summary: Has Nits > > I did not review the state machines in detail. I assume that others > that are far more familiar with PIM have done s detailed review of > them. > > > No Major Concerns > > > Minor Concerns > > Section 1 says: > > In that case, the PW related concept/procedures are not > applicable and that's all. > > I am not sure what you are trying to tell the implementer. > Please clarify. > > Section 1.3 includes: "rpt : Rendezvous Point", and Section 2.3 > includes: "Rendezvous Points (RP)". Please pick one and use it > throughout. > > In Section 2.2, please add a reference for the "split-horizon rule > for mesh PWs" or add a pointer to the section where it is discussed > further in this document. > > A better heading for Section 2.3.2 would be "IPv4 and IPv6". > > > Nits > > Please change the language that makes reference to other "draft", > such > as: "As stated in the VPLS Multicast Requirements draft ...". This > wording leads to changes by the RFC Editor, so it is better to use a > word like "document". > > Please change "J/P messages" to "Join/Prune messages" throughout the > document. > > The document uses both "learned" and "learnt". If there is a > difference > to the reader, it was too subtle for me to figure out. If they are > the > same, please pick one. > > In Section 1.1, rewording would add clarity: > > Depending on how the control messages are handled > (transparently flooded, selectively forwarded, aggregated), the > procedure/process may be called Snooping or proxy in different > contexts. > > I suggest: > > Depending on whether the control messages are > transparently flooded, selectively forwarded, or aggregated, the > processing may be called Snooping or proxy in different contexts. > > Section 2.3 says: > > However, the PE does not need to have any routing tables like as > required in PIM multicast routing. > > Please correct. I think you are trying to say: > > However, the PE does not need any routing tables like those > required in PIM multicast routing. > > Section 4.2.1 says: > > Note that the differences apply only to PIM Join/Prune messages. > PIM > Hello messages are snooped and flooded in all cases. > > Wouldn't it be more clear to consume the same number of lines and add > this information to the table. > > In Section 2.7 the document uses PIM-BIDIR and BIDIR-PIM, and they > seem > have the same meaning. Please pick one. > > > --001a11c17d42c60417054f9e5b66 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Russ,

Thanks for your review!

Cheers,
Andy

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Russ Hous= ley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
Reviewer: Russ Housley
Review result: Has Nits

I reviewed this document as part of the Security Directorate's
ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.
These
comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Security Area
Directors.=C2=A0 Document authors, document editors, and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other IETF Last Call comments.

Document: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05
Reviewer: Russ Housley
Review Date: 2016-05-11
IETF LC End Date: 2017-05-19
IESG Telechat date: Unknown

Summary: Has Nits

I did not review the state machines in detail.=C2=A0 I assume that others that are far more familiar with PIM have done s detailed review of
them.


No Major Concerns


Minor Concerns

Section 1 says:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0In that case, the PW related concept/procedures are not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0applicable and that's all.

I am not sure what you are trying to tell the implementer.
Please clarify.

Section 1.3 includes: "rpt : Rendezvous Point", and Section 2.3 includes: "Rendezvous Points (RP)".=C2=A0 Please pick one and use= it
throughout.

In Section 2.2, please add a reference for the "split-horizon rule
for mesh PWs" or add a pointer to the section where it is discussed further in this document.

A better heading for Section 2.3.2 would be "IPv4 and IPv6".


Nits

Please change the language that makes reference to other "draft",=
such
as: "As stated in the VPLS Multicast Requirements draft ...".=C2= =A0 This
wording leads to changes by the RFC Editor, so it is better to use a
word like "document".

Please change "J/P messages" to "Join/Prune messages" t= hroughout the
document.

The document uses both "learned" and "learnt".=C2=A0 If= there is a
difference
to the reader, it was too subtle for me to figure out.=C2=A0 If they are the
same, please pick one.

In Section 1.1, rewording would add clarity:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Depending on how the control messages are handled
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(transparently flooded, selectively forwarded, aggregated), th= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0procedure/process may be called Snooping or proxy in different=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0contexts.

I suggest:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Depending on whether the control messages are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0transparently flooded, selectively forwarded, or aggregated, t= he
=C2=A0 =C2=A0processing may be called Snooping or proxy in different contex= ts.

Section 2.3 says:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0However, the PE does not need to have any routing tables like = as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0required in PIM multicast routing.

Please correct.=C2=A0 I think you are trying to say:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0However, the PE does not need any routing tables like those =C2=A0 =C2=A0required in PIM multicast routing.

Section 4.2.1 says:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Note that the differences apply only to PIM Join/Prune message= s.
PIM
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Hello messages are snooped and flooded in all cases.

Wouldn't it be more clear to consume the same number of lines and add this information to the table.

In Section 2.7 the document uses PIM-BIDIR and BIDIR-PIM, and they
seem
have the same meaning.=C2=A0 Please pick one.



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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 08:19:40 -0000 Russ, Thanks for the review, I found all of your comments to be legitimate. I'll upload an updated version in the coming days. Thanks again, Olivier. On 05/12/2017 12:33 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Reviewer: Russ Housley > Review result: Has Nits > > I reviewed this document as part of the Security Directorate's > ongoing > effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. > These > comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Security Area > Directors. Document authors, document editors, and WG chairs should > treat these comments just like any other IETF Last Call comments. > > Document: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 > Reviewer: Russ Housley > Review Date: 2016-05-11 > IETF LC End Date: 2017-05-19 > IESG Telechat date: Unknown > > Summary: Has Nits > > I did not review the state machines in detail. I assume that others > that are far more familiar with PIM have done s detailed review of > them. > > > No Major Concerns > > > Minor Concerns > > Section 1 says: > > In that case, the PW related concept/procedures are not > applicable and that's all. > > I am not sure what you are trying to tell the implementer. > Please clarify. > > Section 1.3 includes: "rpt : Rendezvous Point", and Section 2.3 > includes: "Rendezvous Points (RP)". Please pick one and use it > throughout. > > In Section 2.2, please add a reference for the "split-horizon rule > for mesh PWs" or add a pointer to the section where it is discussed > further in this document. > > A better heading for Section 2.3.2 would be "IPv4 and IPv6". > > > Nits > > Please change the language that makes reference to other "draft", > such > as: "As stated in the VPLS Multicast Requirements draft ...". This > wording leads to changes by the RFC Editor, so it is better to use a > word like "document". > > Please change "J/P messages" to "Join/Prune messages" throughout the > document. > > The document uses both "learned" and "learnt". If there is a > difference > to the reader, it was too subtle for me to figure out. If they are > the > same, please pick one. > > In Section 1.1, rewording would add clarity: > > Depending on how the control messages are handled > (transparently flooded, selectively forwarded, aggregated), the > procedure/process may be called Snooping or proxy in different > contexts. > > I suggest: > > Depending on whether the control messages are > transparently flooded, selectively forwarded, or aggregated, the > processing may be called Snooping or proxy in different contexts. > > Section 2.3 says: > > However, the PE does not need to have any routing tables like as > required in PIM multicast routing. > > Please correct. I think you are trying to say: > > However, the PE does not need any routing tables like those > required in PIM multicast routing. > > Section 4.2.1 says: > > Note that the differences apply only to PIM Join/Prune messages. > PIM > Hello messages are snooped and flooded in all cases. > > Wouldn't it be more clear to consume the same number of lines and add > this information to the table. > > In Section 2.7 the document uses PIM-BIDIR and BIDIR-PIM, and they > seem > have the same meaning. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 07:50:33 -0000 Brian, Thank you for the thorough review. I agree on all your comments, the changes will be included in the next version. Thanks, Olivier. On 05/15/2017 03:43 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Reviewer: Brian Carpenter > Review result: Ready with Issues > > Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just > like any other last call comments. > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > . > > Document: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05.txt > Reviewer: Brian Carpenter > Review Date: 2017-05-15 > IETF LC End Date: 2017-05-19 > IESG Telechat date: 2017-05-25 > > Summary: Ready with issues > -------- > > Comment: > -------- > > "This document isn't defining a new protocol, but rather methods to > optimize the use of PIM-based multicast in a VPLS environment." > [Shepherd's writeup] Also, the document uses RFC2119 terminology. > > So why not BCP? > > Major issue: > ------------ > >> 2.11. Directly Connected Multicast Source > ... >> o The PE would have to do ARP snooping to determine if a source > is >> directly connected. > What about IPv6? It may be sufficient to add Neighbor Discovery > snooping, > but you need to say something. > > Nits: > ----- > >> 1. Introduction > ... >> o B. Replication on PWs on shared physical path. > I realise this is declared out of scope a few lines later, but > it's very "telegraphic" and hard to understand. I think you mean > > o B. Multicast traffic may be replicated when several PWs share a > physical path. > > ... >> While this document is in the context of VPLS, the procedures > apply >> to regular layer-2 switches interconnected by physical connections > as >> well, albeit this is outside of the scope of this document. In > that >> case, the PW related concept/procedures are not applicable and > that's >> all. > That is rather unclear. How about: > > While this document is written in the context of VPLS, the > procedures > also apply to regular layer-2 switches interconnected by physical > connections, except that the PW related concept and procedures do > not > apply in the case. > >> 2.2. General Rules for PIM Snooping in VPLS > BPDU is used but not defined. > >> 2.2.1. Preserving Assert Trigger >> >> In PIM-SM/DM, there are scenarios where multiple routers could be >> forwarding the same multicast traffic on a LAN. When this > happens, >> using PIM Assert election process by sending PIM Assert messages, >> routers ensure that only the Assert winner forwards traffic on > the >> LAN. > Either I have misunderstood the intention, or the second sentence is > written half backwards. I *think* you mean > > In PIM-SM/DM, there are scenarios where multiple routers could be > forwarding the same multicast traffic on a LAN. When this > happens, > these routers start the PIM Assert election process by sending PIM > Assert messages, to ensure that only the Assert winner forwards > future multicast traffic on the LAN. > >> 2.3.2. IPv6 > What's so special about IPv6, or why isn't this section titled > "IPv4"? > Or better, stay neutral: > > 2.3.2. IP Versions > >> 2.3.3. PIM-SM (*,*,RP) >> >> This document does not address (*,*,RP) states in the VPLS > network. >> Although [PIM-SM] specifies that routers must support (*,*,RP) >> states, there are very few implementations that actually support > it >> in actual deployments, and it is being removed from the PIM > protocol >> in its ongoing advancement process in IETF. Given that, this >> document omits the specification relating to (*,*,RP) support. > If I understand things correctly, you should say > > ... it has been removed from the PIM protocol [RFC7761]. > >> 2.4.3. When to Snoop and When to Proxy > ... >> Therefore, the general rule is that if Join Suppression is enabled > on >> CEs then proxying or relay MUST be used and if Suppression is > known >> to be disabled on all CEs then either snooping, relay, or > proxying >> MAY be used while snooping or relay SHOULD be used. > I had to read this a few times. I think you mean > > Therefore, the general rule is that if Join Suppression is enabled > on > one or more CEs then proxying or relay MUST be used, but if > Suppression is known > to be disabled on all CEs then either snooping, relay, or proxying > MAY be used while snooping or relay SHOULD be used. > > (as I understand it, even one CE with Join Suppression breaks snooping > for > the whole PE.) > >> 7. References > > As an RFC user, I find references like [IGMP-SNOOP] instead of > [RFC4541] > quite impractical. It wastes bits to use constructs like "RFC4541 > [IGMP-SNOOP]", > which the RFC Editor will change to "RFC 4541 [IGMP-SNOOP]". > > > > From nobody Wed May 24 11:55:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B76126C23; Wed, 24 May 2017 11:55:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=HmPudzTh; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=nxRLfQBY Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n9hbAScMUmYO; Wed, 24 May 2017 11:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CE531201F2; Wed, 24 May 2017 11:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607B920A8D; Wed, 24 May 2017 14:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 24 May 2017 14:55:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=rZmV9hrUUkqYkaZLUV fkzLVQiduXQXmPJs8k+9uU8Ig=; b=HmPudzThTp2VdMDuPIclOE/JVN7nDkjRov wwS/RdXi0GxkHGi+VhTGRbjWIDTANuThsOlXwZquBGo5wpvwBXqE+XjSInx4sXHm hpXaJ5d7cgOiw1kAvVesKxW7rrz4NhPVzyj3HAPFin1FOSP5AUtjDU1FQqL1iJ1H BQMs72+HmoFzTHiP89y3ZZmu+mS9ZZCgR1qcqG//LglK4WQjMqY0/KHrf3rA1XC3 Vaf+a4DaRAaSfrWdoFNKumZHGUNzQS9TlkjHKLguaUxfbcgKr69nGOao1Lb2F1xs UFG4X8PPm9kHf5c7hw7cVkSsDrQx/J/TC6MnKZIX1x5mCOuzi3/g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; bh=rZmV9hrUUkqYkaZLUVfkzLVQiduXQXmPJs8k+9uU8Ig=; b=nxRLfQBY hNmnMHVfWctE9CV2Mg7e8PtaRoVwa7pBlNx1DX6YZ+S0hCZVm/KuMHRU8FOhIVbV 2Jksu2L/djX+sNsFVS+bohif6rk+ZnOcs6fjuB+cjIB4ffgigCWjK64SYYJPuhpm f5xYb0KaRe41hD+7Uz/+pihRjyjqQrJUZoEKLObn3jkM0WeN+pmy9twuUQ8ig0w8 YeTi3uUqz2rZW+AlbTC88Q94tDQCLEWGxDLnBmiaeaPMgwzquOkqiZY/M1lS4TzV k2Q9Vtg47A498i2b+6rRWG3lDWN7a3VbdS2JqyUXCSopL+BSh9HYzykmRJoopTPV J8KetBe7dzzJbA== X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: cnQzM9teiZJZyzgsU0HteWcqXM9K2KO7ollEAniyIyxS 1495652123 Received: from sjc-alcoop-8813.cisco.com (unknown [128.107.241.165]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0FEB424775; Wed, 24 May 2017 14:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <59229840.4000103@nokia.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 14:55:20 -0400 Cc: Brian Carpenter , gen-art@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping.all@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1F2CAF51-8217-4115-B55C-AC2E3007A3AA@cooperw.in> References: <149481261662.2891.9099796768977507841@ietfa.amsl.com> <59229840.4000103@nokia.com> To: Olivier Dornon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 18:55:27 -0000 Brian, thank you for your review. Olivier, thank you for your response. = I have balloted No Objection. Alissa > On May 22, 2017, at 3:50 AM, Olivier Dornon = wrote: >=20 > Brian, >=20 > Thank you for the thorough review. >=20 > I agree on all your comments, the changes will be included in the next = version. >=20 > Thanks, > Olivier. >=20 > On 05/15/2017 03:43 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Reviewer: Brian Carpenter >> Review result: Ready with Issues >>=20 >> Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05 >>=20 >> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area >> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed >> by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just >> like any other last call comments. >>=20 >> For more information, please see the FAQ at >> . >>=20 >> Document: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05.txt >> Reviewer: Brian Carpenter >> Review Date: 2017-05-15 >> IETF LC End Date: 2017-05-19 >> IESG Telechat date: 2017-05-25 >>=20 >> Summary: Ready with issues >> -------- >>=20 >> Comment: >> -------- >>=20 >> "This document isn't defining a new protocol, but rather methods to >> optimize the use of PIM-based multicast in a VPLS environment." >> [Shepherd's writeup] Also, the document uses RFC2119 terminology. >>=20 >> So why not BCP? >>=20 >> Major issue: >> ------------ >>=20 >>> 2.11. Directly Connected Multicast Source >> ... >>> o The PE would have to do ARP snooping to determine if a source >> is >>> directly connected. >> What about IPv6? It may be sufficient to add Neighbor Discovery >> snooping, >> but you need to say something. >>=20 >> Nits: >> ----- >>=20 >>> 1. Introduction >> ... >>> o B. Replication on PWs on shared physical path. >> I realise this is declared out of scope a few lines later, but >> it's very "telegraphic" and hard to understand. I think you mean >>=20 >> o B. Multicast traffic may be replicated when several PWs share a >> physical path. >>=20 >> ... >>> While this document is in the context of VPLS, the procedures >> apply >>> to regular layer-2 switches interconnected by physical connections >> as >>> well, albeit this is outside of the scope of this document. In >> that >>> case, the PW related concept/procedures are not applicable and >> that's >>> all. >> That is rather unclear. How about: >>=20 >> While this document is written in the context of VPLS, the >> procedures >> also apply to regular layer-2 switches interconnected by physical >> connections, except that the PW related concept and procedures do >> not >> apply in the case. >>=20 >>> 2.2. General Rules for PIM Snooping in VPLS >> BPDU is used but not defined. >>=20 >>> 2.2.1. Preserving Assert Trigger >>>=20 >>> In PIM-SM/DM, there are scenarios where multiple routers could be >>> forwarding the same multicast traffic on a LAN. When this >> happens, >>> using PIM Assert election process by sending PIM Assert messages, >>> routers ensure that only the Assert winner forwards traffic on >> the >>> LAN. >> Either I have misunderstood the intention, or the second sentence is >> written half backwards. I *think* you mean >>=20 >> In PIM-SM/DM, there are scenarios where multiple routers could be >> forwarding the same multicast traffic on a LAN. When this >> happens, >> these routers start the PIM Assert election process by sending PIM >> Assert messages, to ensure that only the Assert winner forwards >> future multicast traffic on the LAN. >>=20 >>> 2.3.2. IPv6 >> What's so special about IPv6, or why isn't this section titled >> "IPv4"? >> Or better, stay neutral: >>=20 >> 2.3.2. IP Versions >>=20 >>> 2.3.3. PIM-SM (*,*,RP) >>>=20 >>> This document does not address (*,*,RP) states in the VPLS >> network. >>> Although [PIM-SM] specifies that routers must support (*,*,RP) >>> states, there are very few implementations that actually support >> it >>> in actual deployments, and it is being removed from the PIM >> protocol >>> in its ongoing advancement process in IETF. Given that, this >>> document omits the specification relating to (*,*,RP) support. >> If I understand things correctly, you should say >>=20 >> ... it has been removed from the PIM protocol [RFC7761]. >>=20 >>> 2.4.3. When to Snoop and When to Proxy >> ... >>> Therefore, the general rule is that if Join Suppression is enabled >> on >>> CEs then proxying or relay MUST be used and if Suppression is >> known >>> to be disabled on all CEs then either snooping, relay, or >> proxying >>> MAY be used while snooping or relay SHOULD be used. >> I had to read this a few times. I think you mean >>=20 >> Therefore, the general rule is that if Join Suppression is enabled >> on >> one or more CEs then proxying or relay MUST be used, but if >> Suppression is known >> to be disabled on all CEs then either snooping, relay, or proxying >> MAY be used while snooping or relay SHOULD be used. >>=20 >> (as I understand it, even one CE with Join Suppression breaks = snooping >> for >> the whole PE.) >>=20 >>> 7. References >> As an RFC user, I find references like [IGMP-SNOOP] instead of >> [RFC4541] >> quite impractical. It wastes bits to use constructs like "RFC4541 >> [IGMP-SNOOP]", >> which the RFC Editor will change to "RFC 4541 [IGMP-SNOOP]". >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Wed May 24 14:14:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC23129BB8; Wed, 24 May 2017 14:14:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.51.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149566045103.8596.9358843646023757758.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 14:14:11 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 21:14:11 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [This was deferred from the May 24 telechat while I was in the act of reviewing it :-) I'm not sure if my comments will be relevant, but I will enter them anyway since I have them.] - The shepherd report describes why this is not PS. Was BCP considered? If people don't think this is appropriate as a BCP, it would be good to include comments about whether we expect people to adopt these practices. (Keeping in mind that an informational draft explicitly does not comprise such a recommendation.) -4: I think the security considerations need more, well, consideration. For example, could an attacker use this method to deny service, or to force traffic to follow a compromised path? Editorial: -1.1: " Notice that traffic is always sent on ports that have point-to-point connections to routers that are attached to a LAN on which there is a router." That seems like a circular statement. ("... connected to routers that are attached to a LAN on which there is a router.") 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Malis" , Ignas Bagdonas From: Stewart Bryant X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <149574197762.8665.3617404982113435653.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 21:01:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <149574197762.8665.3617404982113435653.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------23EA9FF4D6A2549A1B02A619" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 20:01:36 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------23EA9FF4D6A2549A1B02A619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the last IETF a concern was raised by the folks that also attend IEEE 802 that there was a problem with PW packets being mistaken for IP packets and incorrectly ECMPed. This has recently been highlighted at a number of operator forums. We agree with our AD that we could write a draft on the problem and recommended solution. As the draft explains we knew about the problem, but a change of Ethernet Address allocation policy has caused the problem to be more severe than it once was. Ignas has some more text on operational considerations to add to the next version. We have scheduled a short WG meeting in Prague to discuss, and as both chairs are authors we will be looking for an independent shepherd to manage the discussion and put the draft through the IETF process. Best Regards - Stewart -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 12:52:57 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Stewart Bryant , Ignas Bagdonas , Andrew Malis , Andrew G Malis A new version of I-D, draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Stewart Bryant and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw Revision: 00 Title: Use of Ethernet Control Word RECOMMENDED Document date: 2017-05-25 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 8 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00 Abstract: The pseudowire (PW) encapsulation of Ethernet, as defined in RFC4448, specifies that the use of the control word (CW) is optional. In the absence of the CW an Ethernet pseudowire packet can be misidentified as an IP packet by a label switching router (LSR). This in turn may lead to the selection of the wrong equal-cost-multi-path (ECMP) path for the packet, leading in turn to the mis-ordering of packets. This problem has become more serious due to the deployment of equipment with Ethernet MAC addresses that start with 0x4 or 0x6. The use of the Ethernet PW CW addresses this problem. This document recommends the use of the Ethernet pseudowire control word in all but exceptional circumstances. This document updates RFC4448. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------23EA9FF4D6A2549A1B02A619 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


At the last IETF a concern was raised by the folks that also attend IEEE 802 that there
was a problem with PW packets being mistaken for IP packets and incorrectly ECMPed.
This has recently been highlighted at a number of operator forums. We agree with
our AD that we could write a draft on the problem and recommended solution.

As the draft explains we knew about the problem, but a change of Ethernet Address
allocation policy has caused the problem to be more severe than it once was.

Ignas has some more text on operational considerations to add to the next version.

We have scheduled a short WG meeting in Prague to discuss, and as both chairs
are authors we will be looking for an independent shepherd to manage the
discussion and put the draft through the IETF process.

Best Regards

- Stewart


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Title:		Use of Ethernet Control Word RECOMMENDED
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Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		8
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Abstract:
   The pseudowire (PW) encapsulation of Ethernet, as defined in RFC4448,
   specifies that the use of the control word (CW) is optional.  In the
   absence of the CW an Ethernet pseudowire packet can be misidentified
   as an IP packet by a label switching router (LSR).  This in turn may
   lead to the selection of the wrong equal-cost-multi-path (ECMP) path
   for the packet, leading in turn to the mis-ordering of packets.  This
   problem has become more serious due to the deployment of equipment
   with Ethernet MAC addresses that start with 0x4 or 0x6.  The use of
   the Ethernet PW CW addresses this problem.  This document recommends
   the use of the Ethernet pseudowire control word in all but
   exceptional circumstances.

   This document updates RFC4448.

                                                                                  


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--------------23EA9FF4D6A2549A1B02A619-- From nobody Fri May 26 13:31:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95452127ABE; Fri, 26 May 2017 13:31:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.51.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: db3546@att.com, draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals-chairs@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals@ietf.org Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <149583068351.8717.385648324449938762.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 13:31:23 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Last Call: (Definition of P2MP PW TLV for LSP-Ping Mechanisms) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 20:31:24 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services WG (pals) to consider the following document: - 'Definition of P2MP PW TLV for LSP-Ping Mechanisms' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-06-09. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract LSP-Ping is a widely deployed Operation, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) mechanism in MPLS networks. This document describes a mechanism to verify connectivity of Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) Pseudowires (PW) using LSP Ping. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p187sm23438434wmd.20.2017.05.31.08.32.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 31 May 2017 08:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Stewart Bryant To: "pals@ietf.org" Cc: "Andrew G. Malis" , Ignas Bagdonas References: <149574197762.8665.3617404982113435653.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <941acf0c-0d22-a100-da8f-906ab0f5d8a4@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 16:32:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3CC990C23FDF826E109F218F" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 15:32:26 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3CC990C23FDF826E109F218F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can I take silence as agreement with this draft :) Stewart On 25/05/2017 21:01, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > > At the last IETF a concern was raised by the folks that also attend > IEEE 802 that there > was a problem with PW packets being mistaken for IP packets and > incorrectly ECMPed. > This has recently been highlighted at a number of operator forums. We > agree with > our AD that we could write a draft on the problem and recommended > solution. > > As the draft explains we knew about the problem, but a change of > Ethernet Address > allocation policy has caused the problem to be more severe than it > once was. > > Ignas has some more text on operational considerations to add to the > next version. > > We have scheduled a short WG meeting in Prague to discuss, and as both > chairs > are authors we will be looking for an independent shepherd to manage the > discussion and put the draft through the IETF process. > > Best Regards > > - Stewart > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt > Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 12:52:57 -0700 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: Stewart Bryant , Ignas Bagdonas > , Andrew Malis , Andrew G > Malis > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Stewart Bryant and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw > Revision: 00 > Title: Use of Ethernet Control Word RECOMMENDED > Document date: 2017-05-25 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 8 > URL:https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt > Status:https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw/ > Htmlized:https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00 > Htmlized:https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00 > > > Abstract: > The pseudowire (PW) encapsulation of Ethernet, as defined in RFC4448, > specifies that the use of the control word (CW) is optional. In the > absence of the CW an Ethernet pseudowire packet can be misidentified > as an IP packet by a label switching router (LSR). This in turn may > lead to the selection of the wrong equal-cost-multi-path (ECMP) path > for the packet, leading in turn to the mis-ordering of packets. This > problem has become more serious due to the deployment of equipment > with Ethernet MAC addresses that start with 0x4 or 0x6. The use of > the Ethernet PW CW addresses this problem. This document recommends > the use of the Ethernet pseudowire control word in all but > exceptional circumstances. > > This document updates RFC4448. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > --------------3CC990C23FDF826E109F218F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


Can I take silence as agreement with this draft :)

Stewart

On 25/05/2017 21:01, Stewart Bryant wrote:


At the last IETF a concern was raised by the folks that also attend IEEE 802 that there
was a problem with PW packets being mistaken for IP packets and incorrectly ECMPed.
This has recently been highlighted at a number of operator forums. We agree with
our AD that we could write a draft on the problem and recommended solution.

As the draft explains we knew about the problem, but a change of Ethernet Address
allocation policy has caused the problem to be more severe than it once was.

Ignas has some more text on operational considerations to add to the next version.

We have scheduled a short WG meeting in Prague to discuss, and as both chairs
are authors we will be looking for an independent shepherd to manage the
discussion and put the draft through the IETF process.

Best Regards

- Stewart


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 12:52:57 -0700
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona.ietf@gmail.com>, Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>, Andrew G Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> 


A new version of I-D, draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Stewart Bryant and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:		draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw
Revision:	00
Title:		Use of Ethernet Control Word RECOMMENDED
Document date:	2017-05-25
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		8
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-00


Abstract:
   The pseudowire (PW) encapsulation of Ethernet, as defined in RFC4448,
   specifies that the use of the control word (CW) is optional.  In the
   absence of the CW an Ethernet pseudowire packet can be misidentified
   as an IP packet by a label switching router (LSR).  This in turn may
   lead to the selection of the wrong equal-cost-multi-path (ECMP) path
   for the packet, leading in turn to the mis-ordering of packets.  This
   problem has become more serious due to the deployment of equipment
   with Ethernet MAC addresses that start with 0x4 or 0x6.  The use of
   the Ethernet PW CW addresses this problem.  This document recommends
   the use of the Ethernet pseudowire control word in all but
   exceptional circumstances.

   This document updates RFC4448.

                                                                                  


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--------------3CC990C23FDF826E109F218F-- From nobody Wed May 31 09:02:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9050F12EAE4; Wed, 31 May 2017 09:01:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joel Halpern To: Cc: ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping.all@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.52.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149624650955.19868.7577458644448516887@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 09:01:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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