From nobody Fri Jun 2 01:07:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BD01314B7; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 01:06:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.222 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.222 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Jgla_IuF40T; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 01:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA8B71314BD; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 01:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DOG80964; Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:06:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 09:06:41 +0100 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Fri, 2 Jun 2017 16:06:34 +0800 From: Tianran Zhou To: "ops-dir@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping.all@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03 Thread-Index: AdLbdyMLj3IMVnDSQEOkzOottdUppA== Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 08:06:33 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.156.116] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020201.59311C92.0072, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 6a12066e09058431d3adeaaf6f7d997f Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 08:06:53 -0000 Reviewer: Tianran Zhou Review result: Has Nits I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's ongo= ing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These= comments were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects= of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be in= cluded in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chair= s should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. Document reviewed: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03 Summary: No issue found. This document is well written, and is ready for publication= . Only a couple of nits, for the authors consideration: 1. in section 1, "Multipoint LDP (mDLP)"=20 Is the acronym "mLDP"? 2. in section 1,=20 "Multi-segment Pseudowires support is out of scope of this document at present and may be included in future." At this stage, the I-D is stable. I think you can just say "Multi-segment P= seudowires support is out of scope of this document". 3. in section 6, "MLDP" should align with the previous acronym in section 1, i.e. "mLDP". And there is auto check result from the system: =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC5085' is defined on line 325, but no explici= t reference was found in the text ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 4379 Summary: 1 error (**), 0 flaws (~~), 1 warning (=3D=3D), 1 comment (--= ). 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j65sm12453167wmg.0.2017.06.05.02.28.42 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Jun 2017 02:28:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <149650167019.31902.17486569763500037038@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "pals@ietf.org" From: Stewart Bryant X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <149650167019.31902.17486569763500037038@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <122f7aa6-f967-bcdf-4d9d-f00b6221f12c@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 10:28:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <149650167019.31902.17486569763500037038@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D6CD571D1C85A15C5ED6F0F2" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-05.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 09:28:48 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D6CD571D1C85A15C5ED6F0F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We should review this from a PALS perspective. Does anyone have time to do a quick check? Stewart -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-05.txt Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 07:54:30 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org CC: trill@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links of the IETF. Title : TRILL Transparent Transport over MPLS Authors : Mohammed Umair Kingston Smiler Selvaraj Donald E. Eastlake 3rd Lucy Yong Filename : draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-05.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2017-06-03 Abstract: This document specifies how to interconnect multiple Transparent Interconnection of Lots of links (TRILL) sites with an intervening MPLS network using existing TRILL and VPLS standards. This draft addresses two problems as follows: 1) Providing connection between more than two TRILL sites that are separated by an MPLS provider network. 2) Providing a single logical virtualized TRILL network for different tenants that are separated by an MPLS provider network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Hi,

We should review this from a PALS perspective.

Does anyone have time to do a quick check?

Stewart



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links of the IETF.

        Title           : TRILL Transparent Transport over MPLS
        Authors         : Mohammed Umair
                          Kingston Smiler Selvaraj
                          Donald E. Eastlake 3rd
                          Lucy Yong
	Filename        : draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-05.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2017-06-03

Abstract:
   This document specifies how to interconnect multiple Transparent
   Interconnection of Lots of links (TRILL) sites with an intervening
   MPLS network using existing TRILL and VPLS standards. This draft
   addresses two problems as follows:

   1) Providing connection between more than two TRILL sites that
   are separated by an MPLS provider network.

   2) Providing a single logical virtualized TRILL network for
   different tenants that are separated by an MPLS provider network.





The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-05
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-05

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-trill-transport-over-mpls-05


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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--------------D6CD571D1C85A15C5ED6F0F2-- From nobody Tue Jun 6 13:41:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3547C12009C; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:41:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kathleen Moriarty To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.53.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149678168620.4019.15878323260330614574.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 13:41:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 20:41:26 -0000 Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Can I see the version that addresses the SecDir review comments? The mail thread showed agreement that they were all legitimate concerns, but the draft was not updated yet to fix these concerns with the text. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05-secdir-lc-housley-2017-05-11/ Thanks. 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[209.6.124.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b185sm71603qkg.44.2017.06.06.18.07.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 06 Jun 2017 18:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Kathleen Moriarty X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14D27) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 21:07:09 -0400 Cc: The IESG , "agmalis@gmail.com" , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <149678168620.4019.15878323260330614574.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 01:07:14 -0000 Thank you, Deborah. That's helpful and I put the comment in so it would not= be missed. Best regards, Kathleen=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:58 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote: >=20 > Hi Kathleen, >=20 > With Alvaro's deferral for pim wg review, the preference by the pim chair w= as to hold off on updating so that they could start immediately with the rev= iew and complete within these two weeks. >=20 > The chairs and I asked the authors to update for the last call, directorat= e reviews, and IESG review after the telechat. >=20 > Thanks, > Deborah >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: iesg [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Moriarty >> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 4:41 PM >> To: The IESG >> Cc: agmalis@gmail.com; pals-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim- >> snooping@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org >> Subject: Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim- >> snooping-05: (with COMMENT) >>=20 >> Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: No Objection >>=20 >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >>=20 >>=20 >> Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- >> 3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss- >> 2Dcriteria.html&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D- >> ufLqOntt6LejLMTbN3QpjYHxsObxmPKRhiF3FnmoI0&m=3Dnjs6HfjcE2ri- >> UOBfsx_9MLXoAjZJltxr4EN7KUYRJg&s=3DWY7dOld2WdZ8XEf24lhzdlz5rOKwqlJp_t >> tFh41Qcas&e=3D >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>=20 >>=20 >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- >> 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dpals-2Dvpls-2Dpim- >> 2Dsnooping_&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D- >> ufLqOntt6LejLMTbN3QpjYHxsObxmPKRhiF3FnmoI0&m=3Dnjs6HfjcE2ri- >> UOBfsx_9MLXoAjZJltxr4EN7KUYRJg&s=3DGvR9oYv5Bo5bDo-hYdHR7- >> PJK9Crh2s5HqSLRlcj5Xk&e=3D >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> Can I see the version that addresses the SecDir review comments? The mai= l >> thread showed agreement that they were all legitimate concerns, but the d= raft >> was not updated yet to fix these concerns with the text. >>=20 >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- >> 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_review-2Dietf-2Dpals-2Dvpls-2Dpim- >> 2Dsnooping-2D05-2Dsecdir-2Dlc-2Dhousley-2D2017-2D05- >> 2D11_&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D- >> ufLqOntt6LejLMTbN3QpjYHxsObxmPKRhiF3FnmoI0&m=3Dnjs6HfjcE2ri- >> UOBfsx_9MLXoAjZJltxr4EN7KUYRJg&s=3DoUtR8- >> TPped4tX2UcbkbpDW9U9HibuuufXIpQ3nxGqA&e=3D >>=20 >> Thanks. >>=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Jun 7 15:06:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E5B1200B9; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 15:06:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.53.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149687317778.25640.689249469535631994.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 15:06:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 22:06:18 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- My understanding is that the upcoming change to move from RFC 4601 to RFC 7761 makes section 2.3.3 no longer relevant. I presume it will be removed? Editorial nit: section 2.4.1 uses the abbreviation "J/P" without defining it. Suggest expanding. From nobody Wed Jun 7 18:01:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E49D1314BB; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 18:01:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Warren Kumari To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.53.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149688368444.25652.8701107493569669049.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 18:01:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 01:01:24 -0000 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for a useful document -- I have a few editorial comments which I think will make the document more readable, and so even more useful... Please also see the OpsDir comments (which also have some minor editorial nits): https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05-opsdir-lc-pignataro-2017-05-10/ My comments: S 1. Introduction O: . Forwarding Information Base for a VPLS instance is populated dynamically by MAC address learning. P: . The Forwarding Information Base (FIB) for a VPLS instance is populated dynamically by MAC address learning. C: Was missing a "The". Also, might be worth unexpanding "Forwarding Information Base" (sorry, so used to asking people to expand acronyms, feels odd to suggest the you also include the acronym, but might be helpful for people who know the term FIB, but not the expansion :-)). O: "While this document is in the context of VPLS, the procedures apply to regular layer-2 switches interconnected by physical connections as well, albeit this is outside of the scope of this document. In that case, the PW related concept/procedures are not applicable and that’s all." P: "These procedures also apply to regular layer-2 switches interconnected by physical connections, but further discussion is out of scope for this document. C: The original sentence was clunky. I think that the proposed still covers the salient points, but is easier to read. The "and that's all" in the original also seemed weird. O: "Notice that traffic is always sent on ports that have point-to-point connections to routers that are attached to a LAN on which there is a router." C: Err... "... routers that are attached to a LAN on which there is a router." If the router is attached to a LAN, then there is a router on the LAN. I'm presuming that you mean "routers that are attached to a LAN on which there is a another router." or "at least one other router"? "If we had some eggs, we could have eggs and bacon, if we had some bacon..." :-) O: "Unless explicitly noted, the procedures in this document are used for either PIM snooping or PIM proxying, and we will largely refer to PIM snooping in this document." P: "We will use the term PIM snooping in this document; but, unless explicitly noted, the procedures in this document apply equally to PIM snooping and PIM proxying". C: I had to read the original a few times, I *think* that my proposed is clearer, but might be wrong... 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 06:47:45 -0000 Adam, Thanks for your comments, please see in-line for my replies. Olivier. On 06/08/2017 12:06 AM, Adam Roach wrote: > Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > My understanding is that the upcoming change to move from RFC 4601 to RFC 7761 > makes section 2.3.3 no longer relevant. I presume it will be removed? I have decided to keep the section for clarity, but of course I have rephrased it to explain the removal of (*,*,RP) states by RFC7761. > Editorial nit: section 2.4.1 uses the abbreviation "J/P" without defining it. > Suggest expanding. > > Agreed, will be updated. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 07:25:05 -0000 Hi Warren, Thank you for the review, see my responses inline. Olivier. On 06/08/2017 03:01 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thank you for a useful document -- I have a few editorial comments which I > think will make the document more readable, and so even more useful... > > Please also see the OpsDir comments (which also have some minor editorial > nits): > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-05-opsdir-lc-pignataro-2017-05-10/ > > My comments: > S 1. Introduction > O: . Forwarding Information Base for a VPLS instance is populated dynamically > by MAC address learning. P: . The Forwarding Information Base (FIB) for a VPLS > instance is populated dynamically by MAC address learning. C: Was missing a > "The". Also, might be worth unexpanding "Forwarding Information Base" (sorry, > so used to asking people to expand acronyms, feels odd to suggest the you also > include the acronym, but might be helpful for people who know the term FIB, but > not the expansion :-)). Agreed. > O: "While this document is in the context of VPLS, the procedures apply to > regular layer-2 switches interconnected by physical connections as well, albeit > this is outside of the scope of this document. In that case, the PW related > concept/procedures are not applicable and that’s all." P: "These procedures > also apply to regular layer-2 switches interconnected by physical connections, > but further discussion is out of scope for this document. C: The original > sentence was clunky. I think that the proposed still covers the salient points, > but is easier to read. The "and that's all" in the original also seemed weird. I already rephrased this based on other comments. It now says : "While this document is in the context of VPLS, the procedures also apply to regular layer-2 switches interconnected by physical connections, except that the PW related concept and procedures do not apply in that case." > O: "Notice that traffic is always sent on ports that have point-to-point > connections to routers that are attached to a LAN on which there is a router." > C: Err... "... routers that are attached to a LAN on which there is a > router." If the router is attached to a LAN, then there is a router on the LAN. > I'm presuming that you mean "routers that are attached to a LAN on which there > is a another router." or "at least one other router"? "If we had some eggs, we > could have eggs and bacon, if we had some bacon..." :-) You're right, I'll update it. > O: "Unless explicitly noted, the procedures in this document are used for > either PIM snooping or PIM proxying, and we will largely refer to PIM snooping > in this document." P: "We will use the term PIM snooping in this document; but, > unless explicitly noted, the procedures in this document apply equally to PIM > snooping and PIM proxying". C: I had to read the original a few times, I > *think* that my proposed is clearer, but might be wrong... > Indeed, your wording is better, I'll update. 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pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3ADD12762F; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 23:11:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.54.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149742066782.7653.13520784662948603763@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 23:11:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-06.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 06:11:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services of the IETF. Title : Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) over Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Authors : Olivier Dornon Jayant Kotalwar Venu Hemige Ray Qiu Jeffrey Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-06.txt Pages : 40 Date : 2017-06-13 Abstract: This document describes the procedures and recommendations for Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Provider Edges (PEs) to facilitate replication of multicast traffic to only certain ports (behind which there are interested Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) routers and/or Internet Group Management Protocol (IGMP) hosts) via Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) snooping and proxying. With PIM snooping, PEs passively listen to certain PIM control messages to build control and forwarding states while transparently flooding those messages. With PIM proxying, Provider Edges (PEs) do not flood PIM Join/Prune messages but only generate their own and send out of certain ports, based on the control states built from downstream Join/Prune messages. PIM proxying is required when PIM Join suppression is enabled on the Customer Equipment (CE) devices and useful to reduce PIM control traffic in a VPLS domain. The document also describes PIM relay, which can be viewed as light- weight proxying, where all downstream Join/Prune messages are simply forwarded out of certain ports but not flooded to avoid triggering PIM Join suppression on CE devices. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Jun 18 02:11:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7F8126D45; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 02:11:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149777710417.10756.3012701311134431369.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 02:11:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:11:44 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I understand that this document does not introduce any new mechanisms compared to rfc6425, however, I think both documents enable an amplification attack. Is this not a concern or should that be discussed somewhere? From nobody Mon Jun 19 11:12:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE471317A5; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suresh Krishnan To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149789595318.10806.1824750906630874204.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:12:33 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Suresh Krishnan's Discuss on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:12:33 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the P2MP Pseudowire Sub-TLV in Section 4.1 is a bit under-specified. It is unclear how the address family of the originating router's IP address is communicated. Is this purely derived from the IP Addr Len (i.e. Len is 4 => IPv4, Len is 16 => IPv6)? If so, I think it would be useful to state this explicitly and add some validity checking and error handling for values other than 4 and 16. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there no alignment requirements for the IP address in "Originating Routers IP Addr" inside the sub-TLV? I would think that alignment on a 4 byte boundary might be needed. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w17sm7943930wra.34.2017.06.19.13.17.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:17:32 -0700 (PDT) To: Suresh Krishnan , The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org References: <149789595318.10806.1824750906630874204.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 21:17:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <149789595318.10806.1824750906630874204.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Suresh Krishnan's Discuss on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:17:40 -0000 On 19/06/2017 19:12, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I think the P2MP Pseudowire Sub-TLV in Section 4.1 is a bit under-specified. It > is unclear how the address family of the originating router's IP address is > communicated. Is this purely derived from the IP Addr Len (i.e. Len is 4 => > IPv4, Len is 16 => IPv6)? Suresh Whilst I have some sympathy for your point, it does say "The Originating Router's IP address is the IPv4 or IPv6 address of the P2MP PW root." So only two address families are allowed, and I doubt that the IETF will have much stomach for a third mainstream family. Those two families are clearly distinguishable by length, so there really is no ambiguity. > If so, I think it would be useful to state this > explicitly and add some validity checking and error handling for values other > than 4 and 16. RFC4379 which is a base document has section 3.7 on what to do if there is an error in the TLV, so technically the draft is complete, although on a P2MP I am not sure that is the right way forward since a lot of error traffic may be returned. It might be better to log the error via the NMS. - Stewart > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Are there no alignment requirements for the IP address in "Originating Routers > IP Addr" inside the sub-TLV? I would think that alignment on a 4 byte boundary > might be needed. > > Why? It may not be aligned by the time we take into a/c the MAC header etc no matter what we do to the TLV. - Stewart From nobody Mon Jun 19 13:20:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CB11294F7; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N5Iw2_hgulRe; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x243.google.com (mail-wr0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B2BB127868; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x243.google.com with SMTP id y25so12873300wrd.1; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:19:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=GFBegJmiR8aJF5eV71vNW/ivZ0WAk/5K7Io6wPuwx+A=; b=OkKv1iJWFLqjKGIH6C/f9vMNUwaQ1LRykQxSm3XKzCYb/XoXHDaceFUnhMmOS+Tx8z QbrHE1QlHT2E2GFAyFLy6x8+KicrjCcgm9ubYjhHsoS1Wfh57NKT99bjLyTQSAhL1m4A KQSYu3GTdy8LAZ4lnKQTOnAk8Af1HzmRK033+vN6jukCizQO8s1V1bvDXL3ylbBuMGZp Im4jGQXqvWSpv1r4jeXQgoV/UjeDXIDQ2FVVUM35RRM94Ccq+nL0wWwNm4lDqIDHCAu6 0Bi5bVrSt6s2fUlLaKLQ13mmi14T9wEQGdILKNM39JSnqzH/QUl2sywEJuc/gOag+Pz5 SxMg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=GFBegJmiR8aJF5eV71vNW/ivZ0WAk/5K7Io6wPuwx+A=; b=TFGLSccuVEJIgCh9aKA5og53nsNJYZGdiC6ILFgygQmI6GBRXynuMtvTdWtRy5i34a /s0jAWMjZeIH0pzlFYgyZNwQKv9SAUzvuBQAiAAkYX8J+dNhULCjQ7n1MfJUBUz1uhHG tTnFDQ1jLgASw7czF3WUC1+opivuna6wFzce/VvTxGFsr1+kXd1L3HfAhRkgEVF+3yLj 8YmBAmozxQvedRhC7Vk7Xtd2rxlr2V++O9KK4AkXUrM4tghaTLZz1qkryw9FozY8lqyG A2ojrv2fYIDe4eTFmvGlRxSqGjHXvyRkS9qz2FSsDwJ5lxqvDBupoB24uFqCyjc1tw9h HjrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOwMzj8PpswFw/u2Se83SNf9nWuGUJssrsPKaT77v4eEAKiz5tyz KTvXj2rvO6W8f8O43YH+8w== X-Received: by 10.223.131.99 with SMTP id 90mr12603072wrd.123.1497903594429; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.126] (host213-123-124-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:20:00 -0000 On 18/06/2017 10:11, Mirja Kühlewind wrote: > Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I understand that this document does not introduce any new mechanisms compared > to rfc6425, however, I think both documents enable an amplification attack. Is > this not a concern or should that be discussed somewhere? > > It is of course quite hard for an attacker to get an MPLS pkt into the network to generate this type of attack. More likely an error may trigger such a problem, but a good implementation would always rate limit the responses. - Stewart From nobody Mon Jun 19 13:45:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCA7127A91; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:45:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DTLBZ2Klerm4; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC577131846; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:44:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4140; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1497905098; x=1499114698; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=ZLY68VQGRkHPNGi24ZBW62JHAkGTG8jtNIfYqhhm2GM=; b=XbggvyVFCOnk1U3nmKQzxzPM0YBlibEJiFdDKUgFwnvWqm/8YWUjWspl +awP6siwOhYnHDTHAnr/JsCWeyCgAkBn03kub5dFBI6SLzkW6CF/4N2z2 dAbsrCwcDPKMZqGbWY0eoyKUW1STursmeZDXELrmoQ66BpW+w1Uv9oT19 M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DqAACSNkhZ/5JdJa1cGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1higQ0Hg2SKGZF8iCuNTIIRLIV4AhqCPz8YAQIBAQEBAQEBayi?= =?us-ascii?q?FGAEBAQECASMRRRACAQgYAgImAgICHxEVEAIEAQ0FihQDDQgQrVuCJoc0DYQWA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGAWBC4VYgguCd4JXgWMSATOCezCCMQWJUo1?= =?us-ascii?q?Khwc7Aocuh0iEZ4IIhUeKPotYiTABHzh/C3QVWwGFL4FNdgGHHoEjgQ0BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.39,362,1493683200"; d="scan'208";a="258003507" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 19 Jun 2017 20:44:57 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (xch-rtp-005.cisco.com [64.101.220.145]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v5JKiv4J018462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:44:57 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-001.cisco.com (64.101.220.141) by XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (64.101.220.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:44:56 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-001.cisco.com ([64.101.220.141]) by XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com ([64.101.220.141]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:44:56 -0400 From: "Parag Jain (paragj)" To: Stewart Bryant , Suresh Krishnan , The IESG CC: "draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org" , Andrew Malis , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Suresh Krishnan's Discuss on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHS6SeiO7UmJUMtv0e87J0JdYLAkqIs4ueA///EswA= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:44:56 +0000 Message-ID: <9CBAC67B-E27D-45D2-A057-F6CA0642999A@cisco.com> References: <149789595318.10806.1824750906630874204.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.1a.0.160910 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.86.242.98] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <80E79E12CB1B184887DAE91BD417206E@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Suresh Krishnan's Discuss on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:56:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Spencer Dawkins To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149790576490.10715.80779545263476435.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:56:04 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:56:05 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I share Mirja's curiosity about the potential for amplification attacks, but I'll watch that conversation, so no need to reply to me. From nobody Tue Jun 20 10:07:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74545131574; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:07:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149797842443.24962.17444951500305829447@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:07:04 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:07:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services of the IETF. Title : Signaling Root-Initiated Point-to-Multipoint Pseudowire using LDP Authors : Sami Boutros Siva Sivabalan Filename : draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2017-06-20 Abstract: This document specifies a mechanism to signal Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) Pseudowires (PW) tree using LDP. Such a mechanism is suitable for any Layer 2 VPN service requiring P2MP connectivity over an IP or MPLS enabled PSN. A P2MP PW established via the proposed mechanism is root initiated. This document updates RFC7385 by re-assigning reserved value 0xFF to be the wildcard transport tunnel type. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:37:12 -0000 Joel, thank you for your review. I have entered a No Objection ballot = position. Alissa > On May 31, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Joel Halpern = wrote: >=20 > Reviewer: Joel Halpern > Review result: Ready >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just > like any other last call comments. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-?? > Reviewer: Joel Halpern > Review Date: 2017-05-31 > IETF LC End Date: 2017-06-09 > IESG Telechat date: 2017-06-22 >=20 > Summary: This document is ready for publication as a proposed > standard >=20 > Major issues: N/A >=20 > Minor issues: N/A >=20 > Nits/editorial comments: N/A >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Tue Jun 20 12:22:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F50126CD6; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Rescorla To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149798652094.25091.18284165586045091978.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:22:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:22:01 -0000 Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Document: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03.txt Assuming I am understanding this document correctly, it's just a refinement of MPLS Echo to point out a specific receiver to respond. Is that correct? If so, perhaps you could make that clear in the intro. This document is pretty acronym heavy. Please ensure that every acronym is expanded on first use. Examples include LSP, VPN, VPLS, etc. Similarly, LSP Tail/Bud, etc. need citations. Figure 2 would benefit from some explanations of the packet flow. Where does the echo packet start, where does it stop? Who answers, etc. From nobody Wed Jun 21 08:02:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3AC12EBBA; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 08:02:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benoit Claise To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org, zhoutianran@huawei.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149805734675.15460.5973682515366030524.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 08:02:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:02:27 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The LSP Ping Echo request IPv4/UDP packets is encapsulated with the MPLS label stack as described in previous sections, followed by one of the two encapsulation options: IPv4 only? And here Tianran Zhou's OPS DIR review: No issue found. This document is well written, and is ready for publication. Only a couple of nits, for the authors consideration: 1. in section 1, "Multipoint LDP (mDLP)" Is the acronym "mLDP"? 2. in section 1, "Multi-segment Pseudowires support is out of scope of this document at present and may be included in future." At this stage, the I-D is stable. I think you can just say "Multi-segment Pseudowires support is out of scope of this document". 3. in section 6, "MLDP" should align with the previous acronym in section 1, i.e. "mLDP". And there is auto check result from the system: == Unused Reference: 'RFC5085' is defined on line 325, but no explicit reference was found in the text ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 4379 Summary: 1 error (**), 0 flaws (~~), 1 warning (==), 1 comment (--). Run idnits with the --verbose option for more detailed information about the items above. From nobody Wed Jun 21 08:26:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EED129C15; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 08:26:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Warren Kumari To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149805876667.15928.9879004176980498624.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 08:26:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:26:07 -0000 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I like the solution, but the document could do with some editing. Major: 1: Sec 1. Introduction O: Multi-segment Pseudowires support is out of scope of this document at present and may be included in future. P: Multi-segment Pseudowires support is out of scope of this document. C: Once published as an RFC, the document doesn't change. Could be "... may be addressed in a future document", but I'd suggest leaving it out. 2: General The document has many unexpanded acronyms, e.g: ACH in "... MPLS label stack and IPv4 or IPv6 ACH." In the Introduction you have: "such as P2MP ATM over PSN." - while PSN might count as a well known acronym, it feels like, in an Intro it should be less opaque - see https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt for RFC known acronyms. 3: The "Controlling Echo Responses" section feels weak -- it says that "The procedures ... **can** be applied to P2MP PW LSP Ping." (emphasis added) - it feels like this should be a SHOULD? I think better a description of the DoS implications (other than just pointing at RFC6425) is also important. Nits: 1: The document would benefit from some serious grammar checking -- e.g: "... Echo Request to inform the receiver at P2MP MPLS LSP tail, of the P2MP PW being tested." - extra ','. "For Inclusive P-Trees, P2MP MPLS LSP label itself can uniquely identify the Throughout the document..." - missing 'the' - things like this, and confusion over plurals (especially near acronyms) makes the document hard to read / review. 2: "P2MP ATM over PSN. Requirements for ... " - extra space (nit!) 3: Sec 8. Security Considerations "The proposal introduced in this document does not introduce any new security considerations beyond that already apply to [RFC6425]." -- this sentence is poorly formed. Perhaps "beyond those that..."? Or "beyond those in"? 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Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:42:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149806697835.15687.8065967734115024532.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:42:58 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 17:42:58 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please expand LSP and FEC on first mention. Please consider expanding PSN and LDP (I see they are marked as "well-known" in the abbreviation list, but I think expansion would be helpful in context.) 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Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:34:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <149805876667.15928.9879004176980498624.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <596FD05D-FFAC-4F55-89D7-6022AD42FC38@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <596FD05D-FFAC-4F55-89D7-6022AD42FC38@cisco.com> From: Warren Kumari Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:34:37 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Parag Jain (paragj)" , The IESG Cc: Andrew Malis , "draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org" , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1b0ce6724d5805527c9f29" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:34:54 -0000 --94eb2c1b0ce6724d5805527c9f29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okey dokey -- that all works for me. Thanks, W On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:26 PM Parag Jain (paragj) wrote: > Hi Warren > > Please see inline. > > > On 2017-06-21, 11:26 AM, "Warren Kumari" wrote: > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th= is > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > I like the solution, but the document could do with some editing. > > Major: > 1: Sec 1. Introduction > O: Multi-segment Pseudowires support is out of scope of this documen= t > at > present and may be included in future. P: Multi-segment Pseudowires > support is > out of scope of this document. C: Once published as an RFC, the > document > doesn't change. Could be "... may be addressed in a future document", > but I'd > suggest leaving it out. > > Will change to =E2=80=9CMulti-segment Pseudowires support is out of scope= of this > document=E2=80=9D. > > > 2: General > The document has many unexpanded acronyms, e.g: ACH in "... MPLS labe= l > stack > and IPv4 or IPv6 ACH." In the Introduction you have: "such as P2MP > ATM over > PSN." - while PSN might count as a well known acronym, it feels like, > in an > Intro it should be less opaque - see > https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt for RFC > known > acronyms. > > Will fix. Also go through the doc for any more missed acronyms. > > 3: The "Controlling Echo Responses" section feels weak -- it says > that "The > procedures ... **can** be applied to P2MP PW LSP Ping." (emphasis > added) - it > feels like this should be a SHOULD? I think better a description of > the DoS > implications (other than just pointing at RFC6425) is also important. > > Will change to should. RFC6425 describes the need and procedures > themselves in detail. IMO, adding details to this document is not needed= . > I will refer to specific Sections of RFC6425 to make it more explicit. Le= t > me know if that will work. > > Nits: > 1: The document would benefit from some serious grammar checking -- > e.g: > "... Echo Request to inform the receiver at P2MP MPLS LSP tail, of th= e > P2MP PW > being tested." - extra ','. "For Inclusive P-Trees, P2MP MPLS LSP > label itself > can uniquely identify the Throughout the document..." - missing 'the' > - things > like this, and confusion over plurals (especially near acronyms) make= s > the > document hard to read / review. > > Will fix. > > 2: "P2MP ATM over PSN. Requirements for ... " - extra space (nit!) > > will fix. > > 3: Sec 8. Security Considerations > "The proposal introduced in this document does not introduce any new > security > considerations beyond that already apply to [RFC6425]." -- this > sentence is > poorly formed. Perhaps "beyond those that..."? Or "beyond those in"? > > will fix. > > Thanks > Parag > > > > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --94eb2c1b0ce6724d5805527c9f29 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okey dokey -- that all works for me.

Thanks,
W
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:26 PM Parag= Jain (paragj) <paragj@cisco.com= > wrote:
Hi Warren

Please see inline.


On 2017-06-21, 11:26 AM, "Warren Kumari" <warren@kumari.net> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: No Objection

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 When responding, please keep the subject line intact and repl= y to all
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free t= o cut this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 introductory paragraph, however.)


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please refer to https://www.i= etf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions= .


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found= here:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://datatracker.= ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -------------------------------------------------------------= ---------
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 COMMENT:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -------------------------------------------------------------= ---------

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I like the solution, but the document could do with some edit= ing.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Major:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1: Sec 1.=C2=A0 Introduction
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 O:=C2=A0 Multi-segment Pseudowires support is out of scope of= this document at
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 present and may be included in future. P:=C2=A0 Multi-segment= Pseudowires support is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 out of scope of this document. C: Once published as an RFC, t= he document
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 doesn't change. Could be "... may be addressed in a = future document", but I'd
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 suggest leaving it out.

Will change to =E2=80=9CMulti-segment Pseudowires support is out of scope o= f this document=E2=80=9D.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2: General
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The document has many unexpanded acronyms, e.g: ACH in "= ... MPLS label stack
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and IPv4 or IPv6 ACH."=C2=A0 In the Introduction you hav= e: "such as P2MP ATM over
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 PSN." - while PSN might count as a well known acronym, i= t feels like, in an
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Intro it should be less opaque - see
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.rfc-editor.org/ma= terials/abbrev.expansion.txt for RFC known
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 acronyms.

Will fix. Also go through the doc for any more missed acronyms.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 3: The "Controlling Echo Responses" section feels w= eak -- it says that=C2=A0 "The
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 procedures ... **can** be applied to P2MP PW LSP Ping." = (emphasis added) - it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 feels like this should be a SHOULD? I think better a descript= ion of the DoS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 implications (other than just pointing at RFC6425) is also im= portant.

Will change to should. RFC6425 describes the need and procedures themselves= in detail. IMO, adding details to=C2=A0 this document is not needed. I wil= l refer to specific Sections of RFC6425 to make it more explicit. Let me kn= ow if that will work.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Nits:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1: The document would benefit from some serious grammar check= ing -- e.g:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "... Echo Request to inform the receiver at P2MP MPLS LS= P tail, of the P2MP PW
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 being tested." - extra ','. "For Inclusive = P-Trees, P2MP MPLS LSP label itself
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 can uniquely identify the Throughout the document..." - = missing 'the' - things
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 like this, and confusion over plurals (especially near acrony= ms) makes the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 document hard to read / review.

Will fix.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2: "P2MP ATM over PSN.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Requirements for ... = " - extra space (nit!)

will fix.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 3: Sec 8.=C2=A0 Security Considerations
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "The proposal introduced in this document does not intro= duce any new security
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 considerations beyond that already apply to [RFC6425]." = -- this sentence is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 poorly formed. Perhaps "beyond those that..."? Or &= quot;beyond those in"?

will fix.

Thanks
Parag



--
I don't think the execution is relevant when it wa= s obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid we= asels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those par= ticular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf
--94eb2c1b0ce6724d5805527c9f29-- From nobody Wed Jun 21 11:39:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD21312947E; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ThIxgGCeSpfX; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CEA8129477; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.63] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v5LIckBa041447 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:39:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.63] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <86F1F05C-8BFD-4D58-9244-4AA74D9EE3BA@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:39:08 -0500 Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org" , Andrew Malis , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <70CC86AB-6576-481C-9E17-1A139DAA946D@nostrum.com> References: <149806697835.15687.8065967734115024532.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <86F1F05C-8BFD-4D58-9244-4AA74D9EE3BA@cisco.com> To: "Parag Jain (paragj)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:39:16 -0000 Thanks! Ben. > On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Parag Jain (paragj) = wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 2017-06-21, 1:42 PM, "Ben Campbell" wrote: >=20 > Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Please expand LSP and FEC on first mention. Please consider = expanding PSN and > LDP (I see they are marked as "well-known" in the abbreviation = list, but I > think expansion would be helpful in context.) >=20 > will do. >=20 > Thanks > Parag >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Jun 21 14:54:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC814124B0A; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 14:54:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149808209870.950.1871147840227576685.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 14:54:58 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:54:58 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I share Suhas' concerns. Please expand the following acronyms upon first use and in the title; see https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt for guidance. - P2MP - Point-to-Multipoint - PW - pseudowire - LSP - Label Switched Path - VPLS - Virtual Private LAN Service - TE - Traffic Engineering (?) - FEC - Forwarding Equivalence Class - LSR - Label Switching Router - GAL - Generic Associated Channel Label - ACH - Associated Channel Header - CE - ??? - PE - Provider Edge From nobody Wed Jun 21 15:11:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA83129463; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:10:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8BL_4_73KbxG; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A462127369; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:10:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2086; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1498083051; x=1499292651; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=XCJXLSte8qUozazl8ydaIeqp40yoPfcWCz3zh8B7H4k=; b=Rn+KnF8KBrGktL8CyodxhmtgU5mSjLUKPZkP99Mm+DhuTUI1lrkccGqo V7U781Wl9LFOFqEEpJo5JIouFMpd34TjTjzmd6AtBaGKnDSm/1UhXP293 yZ856t5sEAG8PhcW2GtwfaO+RJ3uuEZ+uyUGRaCRsLqU8oRXRta9+iHEt M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BaAQBO7kpZ/4MNJK1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1higQ0Hg2WKGZE8lhqCESyFeAIaglw/GAECAQEBAQEBAWsohRk?= =?us-ascii?q?GIxFFEAIBCBoCJgICAjAVEAIEAQ0FiiwQqnKCJotlAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBGAWBC4VigWArC4JuhDsSARwXgnswgjEFiVKNS4dFAocxjC+CCIVIij6?= =?us-ascii?q?VEAEfOH8LdBUfPAGFL4FNdgEBhziBIwGBDAEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.39,370,1493683200"; d="scan'208";a="443931709" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 21 Jun 2017 22:10:50 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com (xch-rtp-001.cisco.com [64.101.220.141]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v5LMAoIw005972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2017 22:10:50 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-001.cisco.com (64.101.220.141) by XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com (64.101.220.141) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:10:50 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-001.cisco.com ([64.101.220.141]) by XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com ([64.101.220.141]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:10:49 -0400 From: "Parag Jain (paragj)" To: Adam Roach , The IESG CC: "draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org" , Andrew Malis , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHS6tkJpOXhRg0m1E2yku5zOdvhoaIv4MkA Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 22:10:49 +0000 Message-ID: <02889783-3FBE-4217-BA41-B9300C607050@cisco.com> References: <149808209870.950.1871147840227576685.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <149808209870.950.1871147840227576685.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.1a.0.160910 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <6B90E52A984B8C4AA0955A1B9449ACB1@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 00:07:17 -0000 Dear Stewart Bryant, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. pals Session 1 (1:00:00) Monday, Afternoon Session III 1740-1840 Room Name: Congress Hall I size: 250 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Stewart Bryant Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: rtgwg spring opsawg nvo3 detnet mpls ccamp rtgarea People who must be present: Stewart Bryant Andrew G. Malis Deborah Brungard Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please avoid any of the 5G related BOFs if they are approved : netslices, 5ganip, ideas --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sat Jun 24 13:21:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E495126DED for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:21:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_NONELEMENT_30_40=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bjltHVsr1au8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com (mail-oi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6B8B128961 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x229.google.com with SMTP id p187so39942941oif.3 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:21:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=K+gqKmTKunLpocCrK2D77KJV09r8ihNVZEmxDPRBCh4=; b=HgLqa8Hw9Iw7Y9FR3vXvMsdTJV7v4pZOclez00PPcHbzvX57JMz9AmxHi0O9/vJhSI az/vyAwO43+XpRA7ECrVx94mTQwnPqvDjtI2BkWFuirxPfH/LwlGyA30I8Y1DUcz64QJ g5aUk1tYMDPEKCehCt96pof2MVfSynA7jRu8KqNqOnp3Us2YcbZcHPA84U37TP8YLC9t snm+HNH69QKBfSzoG/B31wdmH0JP0Nc94+3fFBan+4MDftJSsMObsZlbPkTdflgrUx2v yMclrA0Wpt2PCNkpin6CXCTcQJo8gfhSuHx1Y84YwvdjU6joSXMOcYTT6up6S87wakkI uukw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=K+gqKmTKunLpocCrK2D77KJV09r8ihNVZEmxDPRBCh4=; b=Eq6+hkEcoVprau24ZscudVwAPbzKj3NJFQu3j/H9MspDD3LZNqkW1c6R17xZR7R2pz IHEkoEvJLGQ8/6UdNbNhjTo1fR2SB6YNw4+d5ULFMzxF8AXPC7rCN+6qV23t49wbijzN ybHT2rPBC05nJkxnDtSa0wFbs+tpVP1XfavYoZx1MJHgvRd8lAxcrLNfyzutzzulFu00 SslhodtwcosOF5BJRt9oeC4pNUdtcPdPLQAe3ldT4HPaf+jxmlKKwJDeTMsjsW3Pi4Kb b665F/gGsgLfROZ1cbQAi6bqUHtbyL6VPMDuURzTt11xJv+Xfcb0C7OUYmu5MfcWwUNc ZBPA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOx4YcKROa9ij1UzO+tnjqYYorWWEOJoAS4dtGyxoHSyY4R4DX6X q7i7uCcyd4eNsbHdKKvZne7NL3PKRg== X-Received: by 10.202.172.147 with SMTP id v141mr1609444oie.216.1498335664980; Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:21:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.219.167 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:20:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: "pals@ietf.org" Cc: Stewart Bryant , David Sinicrope Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113ced7810c9be0552ba750d" Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Call for pals agenda requests in Prague X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 20:21:07 -0000 --001a113ced7810c9be0552ba750d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable pals is going to have a single one-hour session in Prague as follows: pals Session 1 (1:00:00) Monday, Afternoon Session III 1740-1840 Room Name: Congress Hall I size: 250 We currently have one topic on the agenda, draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw, so we have time for additional topics as well. Please send agenda requests to Dave Sinicrope (his email is on the cc list). It=E2=80=99s best to just = reply to this email to keep the subject line intact so that the request doesn=E2=80= =99t get lost (but remove the pals email list from the reply). Thanks, Andy, Stewart, and Dave --001a113ced7810c9be0552ba750d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Monday, Afternoon Session III 1740-1840
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We currently have one topic on the agenda,=C2=A0draft-bryant-pals-et= hernet-cw, so we have time for additional topics as well. Please send agend= a requests to Dave Sinicrope (his email is on the cc list). It=E2=80=99s be= st to just reply to this email to keep the subject line intact so that the = request doesn=E2=80=99t get lost (but remove the pals email list from the r= eply).

Thanks,
Andy, Stewart, and Dave

--001a113ced7810c9be0552ba750d-- From nobody Mon Jun 26 12:38:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF77C12EB51; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:38:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3XphU-QUJPo4; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4611C12EB07; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 9E573B8037D; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:38:10 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, drafts-update-ref@iana.org, pals@ietf.org Message-Id: <20170626193810.9E573B8037D@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] RFC 8184 on Dual-Homing Protection for MPLS and the MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Pseudowires X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 19:38:39 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8184 Title: Dual-Homing Protection for MPLS and the MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Pseudowires Author: W. Cheng, L. Wang, H. Li, S. Davari, J. Dong Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: June 2017 Mailbox: chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com, wangleiyj@chinamobile.com, lihan@chinamobile.com, davari@broadcom.com, jie.dong@huawei.com Pages: 11 Characters: 24298 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection-06.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8184 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8184 This document describes a framework and several scenarios for a pseudowire (PW) dual-homing local protection mechanism that avoids unnecessary switchovers and does not depend on whether a control plane is used. A Dual-Node Interconnection (DNI) PW is used to carry traffic between the dual-homing Provider Edge (PE) nodes when a failure occurs in one of the Attachment Circuits (AC) or PWs. This PW dual-homing local protection mechanism is complementary to existing PW protection mechanisms. This document is a product of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Mon Jun 26 12:39:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA06D126C3D; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:39:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iiAe8DrJ5wot; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F9FF12EB5B; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 83BDCB806A3; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:38:23 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, drafts-update-ref@iana.org, pals@ietf.org Message-Id: <20170626193823.83BDCB806A3@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] RFC 8185 on Dual-Homing Coordination for MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Pseudowires Protection X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 19:39:24 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8185 Title: Dual-Homing Coordination for MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Pseudowires Protection Author: W. Cheng, L. Wang, H. Li, J. Dong, A. D'Alessandro Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: June 2017 Mailbox: chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com, wangleiyj@chinamobile.com, lihan@chinamobile.com, jie.dong@huawei.com, alessandro.dalessandro@telecomitalia.it Pages: 17 Characters: 40293 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination-06.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8185 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8185 In some scenarios, MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) pseudowires (PWs) (RFC 5921) may be statically configured when a dynamic control plane is not available. A fast protection mechanism for MPLS-TP PWs is needed to protect against the failure of an Attachment Circuit (AC), the failure of a Provider Edge (PE), or a failure in the Packet Switched Network (PSN). The framework and typical scenarios of dual- homing PW local protection are described in RFC 8184. This document proposes a dual-homing coordination mechanism for MPLS-TP PWs that is used for state exchange and switchover coordination between the dual- homing PEs for dual-homing PW local protection. This document is a product of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Official Internet Protocol Standards (https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Wed Jun 28 09:42:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AE5129C31; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:42:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , db3546@att.com, agmalis@gmail.com, pals-chairs@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <149866815468.7643.6500898137488307297.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:42:34 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Document Action: 'Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) over Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS)' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-06.txt) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:42:35 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) over Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS)' (draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-06.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping/ Technical Summary This document describes the procedures and recommendations for Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Provider Edges (PEs) to facilitate replication of multicast traffic to only certain ports (behind which there are interested Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) routers and/or Internet Group Management Protocol (IGMP) hosts) via Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) snooping and proxying. Working Group Summary The primary thing to note about the WG process was the length of time it's taken to get this done. This is primarily due to two factors. The first is that it started in the L2VPN WG, and there was a five-year gap between draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-pim-snooping revisions -01 and -02. My nderstanding is that was due to the implementors both gaining experience with deployed code at that time, and not having the time to get back to the draft. Once the work restarted in L2VPN, there was a last call, however, due to review comments, work continued on the draft. When the PWE3 and L2VPN WGs were merged into the PALS WG, it was reissued as a PALS draft, and updates continued from additional experience from the field and some fresh sets of eyes. Document Quality The document has existed in one form or another since 2005, and has gone through a total of 15 revisions. It has been though WG last call twice (see above for the WG history). There is at least one known implementation that has been deployed in the field for a number of years. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Andy Malis Who is the Responsible Area Director? Deborah Brungard From nobody Thu Jun 29 12:26:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4A2129B55; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 12:26:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alia Atlas To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction@ietf.org, Stewart Bryant , pals-chairs@ietf.org, stewart.bryant@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149876439847.27955.10536054610016597162.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 12:26:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Alia Atlas' No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:26:39 -0000 Alia Atlas has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for addressing my concerns. From nobody Thu Jun 29 15:55:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E0C129B62; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:55:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , db3546@att.com, Stewart Bryant , pals@ietf.org, pals-chairs@ietf.org, stewart.bryant@gmail.com, draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <149877691227.4714.5519338798023502652.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:55:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Protocol Action: 'MPLS LSP PW status refresh reduction for Static Pseudowires' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-05.txt) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:55:12 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'MPLS LSP PW status refresh reduction for Static Pseudowires' (draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction-05.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-status-reduction/ Technical Summary This document describes a method for generating an aggregated pseudowire status message on Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) network Label Switched Path (LSP). The method for transmitting the pseudowire (PW) status information is not new, however this protocol extension allows a Service Provider (SP) to reliably monitor the individual PW status while not overwhelming the network with multiple periodic status messages. This is achieved by sending a single cumulative summary status verification message for all the PWs grouped in the same LSP. Working Group Summary The working groups has been working on this for about five years. It has discussed it a number of times and supports publication. Document Quality This is a well written document. There has been industry interest but we are not sure how widely it has been implemented. It is not uncommon in this area for RFC to proceed before implementation. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Stewart Bryant Who is the Responsible Area Director? Deborah Brungard