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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 15:00:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1A83FB99636A9F52DF9770F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, As a co-author, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this document. Ignas On 02/08/2017 15:56, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote: > > This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group. > > The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors. > > Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list. > > Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an > PALS working group document. > > Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the > draft. > > Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to > this draft? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond > to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > > has been received from each author and each contributor. > > This poll closes on Wednesday, 16^th August 2017. > > Regards > > Matthew > --------------1A83FB99636A9F52DF9770F4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi there,

As a co-author, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this document.

Ignas



On 02/08/2017 15:56, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote:

This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group.

The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors.

 

Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list.

Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an PALS working group document.

 

Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the draft.

 

Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to this draft?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant

IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response

has been received from each author and each contributor.

 

This poll closes on Wednesday, 16th August 2017.

 

Regards

 

Matthew

 


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Malis" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 11:05:11 -0400 Message-ID: To: Ignas Bagdonas Cc: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , "pals@ietf.org" , "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113dd3be5cc36f0555c6987a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 15:05:33 -0000 --001a113dd3be5cc36f0555c6987a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As a co-author, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this document, and I also support WG adoption of the draft. Cheers, Andy On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Ignas Bagdonas wrote: > Hi there, > > As a co-author, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this document. > > Ignas > > > > On 02/08/2017 15:56, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote: > > This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group. > > The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors. > > > > Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list. > > Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an PALS > working group document. > > > > Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the draft. > > > > Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to this > draft? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see > RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to > this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > > has been received from each author and each contributor. > > > > This poll closes on Wednesday, 16th August 2017. > > > > Regards > > > > Matthew > > > > > --001a113dd3be5cc36f0555c6987a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a co-author, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to = this document, and I also support WG adoption of the draft.

<= div>Cheers,
Andy


On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Ignas = Bagdonas <ibagdona.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Hi there,

As a co-author, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this document.

Ignas



On 02/08/2017 15:5= 6, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote:
=20 =20 =20 =20 =20

This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group= .

The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors.

=C2= =A0

Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list.=

Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an PALS working group document.

=C2=A0

Simultaneou= sly, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the draft.<= /u>

=C2=A0

Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to this draft?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?=

If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant

IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response=

has been received from each author and each contributor.

=C2=A0

This poll closes on Wednesday, 16th August 2017.=

=C2=A0

Regards<= /u>

=C2=A0

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--001a113dd3be5cc36f0555c6987a-- From nobody Wed Aug 2 08:24:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0078312EC14; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 08:24:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S663pGcnqBsh; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 08:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x22e.google.com (mail-qk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6406A1320EB; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 08:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id u139so28749403qka.1; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 08:24:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LNzB9DK+bhVT0NUBBvZrefrmmrL7JY6ydi5+/EQswSk=; b=ixITLnBtQ+ZQGg3E6FugQSzKVV9eQjxgFpCFyJp3QoN4UNTiE6Z9fZIwcmSzZjYwGi mmZ2HqgQ2PdNLqEvtVEW5Y5+hzGMGXdswCqtwvGz2eZAwUqwFytJa1AfUNIZK1sRFVew nJJyeI9rmk9rkEIaqBx7yZWDhfs9z4iv6KZ8uOUW+xhvEjS+Y6vtEkxvUyGL8V6GJPiS pDMNFPhPfFeT36vS8G9rPEvCbWJL8uqAhctkj/P0kXD+FmfQoujdiTtm4/xvIGT13q94 avStB79IpdIPeR0XPqCxTYOAq6YOaj9Vca5BKrKD35xeD3En2Pm0CmJ99sd8Xc0ri4q4 eJ2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LNzB9DK+bhVT0NUBBvZrefrmmrL7JY6ydi5+/EQswSk=; b=IUoyyn4la8B4ys0l6TsjPPYXx5NeojfV2vNfpd0gUwJ4Oe8D1aaq3xTCGkROsuD7G1 ramDFwv1bJPbPxsGwvjFt4a7ItWhOcEn/Q0sATYSP8QnICvviRwBWRuj3ujpHvFEyUsU 6C0sdAPJxQNk2583HTy1PIkRQJdSfig5SLfrbogWXXTEnEpyEHbn32m73ENYDZ0K+reg eK67Ue4cCzzz1eR8W4V9yNV7eSOIh618cetPK91RmJs2D/IfIHc1pDMkpSj3JN6WA5f4 z74+9imzIG0wD78/yIUfu8rv4zf9Nhu4FZwu0RUYDsc/4yDIV9zs4WE7osGcQi4xuSVe Rpug== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5j7AKk26oJ4prBFJQ7lHrMFMcQh+CX/8ZFQuAZRbC5j4MtpNFH6 jaq+Kzp88Us8s0Tt9Cb+qP8i1jm4KA== X-Received: by 10.55.123.133 with SMTP id w127mr6563776qkc.79.1501687443281; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 08:24:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.88.72 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 08:24:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <34F26769-E562-4B92-A813-6EAA3E678F43@nokia.com> References: <34F26769-E562-4B92-A813-6EAA3E678F43@nokia.com> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 08:24:02 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" Cc: "pals@ietf.org" , "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c063bdc9edc960555c6da9e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 15:24:06 -0000 --94eb2c063bdc9edc960555c6da9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, support the adoption of the draft by PALS WG. Regards, Greg On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) < matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote: > This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group. > > The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors. > > > > Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list. > > Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an PALS > working group document. > > > > Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the draft. > > > > Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to this > draft? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see > RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to > this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > > has been received from each author and each contributor. > > > > This poll closes on Wednesday, 16th August 2017. > > > > Regards > > > > Matthew > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pals mailing list > Pals@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals > > --94eb2c063bdc9edc960555c6da9e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
support the adoption of the draft by PALS WG.

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Bocc= i, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrot= e:

This email begins a= two-week poll for adoption of draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the= PALS working group.

The chairs have ask= ed me to run this poll since they are both co-authors.=

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Please review the d= raft and send any comments to the PALS list.

Please also indicat= e whether you support adoption of the draft as an PALS working group docume= nt.

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Simultaneously, we = are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the draft.

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Authors and contrib= utors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to this draft?

If so, has this IPR= been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 366= 9, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If you are listed a= s a document author or contributor, please respond to this email stating of= whether or not you are aware of any relevant

IPR. The response n= eeds to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The document will not advance = to the next stage until a response

has been received f= rom each author and each contributor.

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This poll closes on= Wednesday, 16th August 2017.

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Regards

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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x98sm1891879wrb.47.2017.08.03.03.22.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Aug 2017 03:22:03 -0700 (PDT) To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , "pals@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" References: <34F26769-E562-4B92-A813-6EAA3E678F43@nokia.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <5c47648c-db46-285e-12a8-3f2086b3cdde@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:22:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <34F26769-E562-4B92-A813-6EAA3E678F43@nokia.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A60BC57F8E6E5695AD818E16" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 10:22:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A60BC57F8E6E5695AD818E16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not aware of any IPR that need to be disclosed against this draft. - Stewart On 02/08/2017 15:56, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote: > > This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group. > > The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors. > > Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list. > > Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an > PALS working group document. > > Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the > draft. > > Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to > this draft? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond > to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > > has been received from each author and each contributor. > > This poll closes on Wednesday, 16^th August 2017. > > Regards > > Matthew > --------------A60BC57F8E6E5695AD818E16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I am not aware of any IPR that need to be disclosed against this draft.

- Stewart


On 02/08/2017 15:56, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote:

This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group.

The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors.

 

Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list.

Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an PALS working group document.

 

Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the draft.

 

Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to this draft?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant

IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response

has been received from each author and each contributor.

 

This poll closes on Wednesday, 16th August 2017.

 

Regards

 

Matthew

 


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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 17:53:44 -0000 Yes/support Cheers, Jeff From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 4:57 PM To: pals@ietf.org Cc: draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org Subject: [Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group. The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors. Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list. Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an PALS working group document. Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the draft. Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to this draft? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and each contributor. This poll closes on Wednesday, 16th August 2017. 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pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C9F132685; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 03:11:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.58.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150235989122.11928.17279027193893428917.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 03:11:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:11:31 -0000 The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Andrew Malis) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw/ From nobody Thu Aug 10 05:49:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA37124B0A; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 05:49:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m77sm5675468wmd.21.2017.08.10.06.25.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Aug 2017 06:25:31 -0700 (PDT) To: "Shah, Himanshu" , "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" References: <150235989122.11928.17279027193893428917.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <41C6B0B5-FE79-4714-A7E8-B06EDA54A4CB@ciena.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <440f8e76-e2b8-6e45-180d-534d7b2f8def@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 14:25:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <41C6B0B5-FE79-4714-A7E8-B06EDA54A4CB@ciena.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------91158C8253E869FCAC6771C4" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:25:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------91158C8253E869FCAC6771C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Speaking as an individual contributor. Hi Himanchu, You made this point at the meeting, but I did not detect significant support from others present for your position. There are two groups of people that we need to consult on this matter, the PALS WG which we are doing here, but also the Operations area, since we are publishing this text to solve an operational problem that was reported to us. Such deprication proposals are not common in the routing area, because we rarely face such problems, but they are common in for example the security area where old crypto algorithms get phase out, so including such text in an RFC is not unheard of in an RFC. Perhaps you can help us understand why you think the IETF should not make this recommendation? With that clarification I hope that we can better move towards achieving rough consensus on leaving the the text as is, tuning the text to address your concern, or removing it from the draft. I do not understand why resolution of this point needs to gate WG adoption, since the draft cannot proceed to the IESG without achieving an adequate degree of consensus for publication, whilst adopting it communicates to our colleagues in the IEEE, and the operator community that we are addressing the concern that they raised with us. - Stewart On 10/08/2017 13:49, Shah, Himanshu wrote: > > /We explicitly discussed this point @IETF99 in PALS WG meeting, in the > draft :/ > > // > > /“To remove this problem in the long term, and hence to reduce the/ > > /operational cost of investigating problems associated with the/ > > /incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over PWs not using the CW,/ > > /it is RECOMMENDED that equipment that does not support the CW be/ > > /phased out of operational use//.”/ > > // > > /The rough consensus/understanding was that this language is not > appropriate for the RFC./ > > // > > /I object to this paragraph (as I did in the meeting) and recommend > removing it from the draft/ > > /before it is accepted as working group draft./ > > // > > // > > // > > /Thanks,/ > > /Himanshu/// > > // > > *From: *Pals on behalf of IETF Secretariat > > *Date: *Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 6:11 AM > *To: *"draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" > , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" > , "pals@ietf.org" > *Subject: *[Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw > in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" > > The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state > > Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Andrew Malis) > > The document is available at > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Pals mailing list > > Pals@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals > --------------91158C8253E869FCAC6771C4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Speaking as an individual contributor.

Hi Himanchu,

You made this point at the meeting, but I did not detect significant support from others present for your position.

There are two groups of people that we need to consult on this matter, the PALS WG which we are doing here, but also the Operations area, since we are publishing this text to solve an operational problem that was reported to us.

Such deprication proposals are not common in the routing area, because we rarely face such problems, but they are common in for example the security area where old crypto algorithms get phase out, so including such text in an RFC is not unheard of in an RFC.

Perhaps you can help us understand why you think the IETF should not make this recommendation? With that clarification I hope that we can better move towards achieving rough consensus on leaving the the text as is, tuning the text to address your concern, or removing it from the draft.

I do not understand why resolution of this point needs to gate WG adoption, since the draft cannot proceed to the IESG without achieving an adequate degree of consensus for publication, whilst adopting it communicates to our colleagues in the IEEE, and the operator community that we are addressing the concern that they raised with us.

- Stewart


On 10/08/2017 13:49, Shah, Himanshu wrote:

We explicitly discussed this point @IETF99 in PALS WG meeting, in the draft :

 

“To remove this problem in the long term, and hence to reduce the

   operational cost of investigating problems associated with the

   incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over PWs not using the CW,

   it is RECOMMENDED that equipment that does not support the CW be

   phased out of operational use.”

 

The rough consensus/understanding was that this language is not appropriate for the RFC.

 

I object to this paragraph (as I did in the meeting) and recommend removing it from the draft

before it is accepted as working group draft.

 

 

Thanks,

Himanshu

 

From: Pals <pals-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org>
Date: Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 6:11 AM
To: "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" <draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org>, "pals-chairs@ietf.org" <pals-chairs@ietf.org>, "pals@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>
Subject: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

 

 

The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state

Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Andrew Malis)

 

The document is available at

 

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Aug 10 12:04:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417B013232D; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 12:04:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.58.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: db3546@att.com, Stewart Bryant , draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw@ietf.org, pals-chairs@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org, stewart.bryant@gmail.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <150239186425.11944.4271926830312796610.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 12:04:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Last Call: (Signaling Root-Initiated Point-to-Multipoint Pseudowire using LDP) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 19:04:24 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services WG (pals) to consider the following document: - 'Signaling Root-Initiated Point-to-Multipoint Pseudowire using LDP' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-08-24. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document specifies a mechanism to signal Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) Pseudowires (PW) tree using LDP. Such a mechanism is suitable for any Layer 2 VPN service requiring P2MP connectivity over an IP or MPLS enabled PSN. A P2MP PW established via the proposed mechanism is root initiated. This document updates RFC7385 by re-assigning reserved value 0xFF to be the wildcard transport tunnel type. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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18:56:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.46.88.81 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:56:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8564B868-0FCD-4350-B005-DFE1D69FACCD@ciena.com> References: <150235989122.11928.17279027193893428917.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <41C6B0B5-FE79-4714-A7E8-B06EDA54A4CB@ciena.com> <440f8e76-e2b8-6e45-180d-534d7b2f8def@gmail.com> <8564B868-0FCD-4350-B005-DFE1D69FACCD@ciena.com> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:56:19 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Shah, Himanshu" Cc: Alexander Vainshtein , "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" , Stewart Bryant Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c14abc89383100556709e1e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 01:56:26 -0000 --94eb2c14abc89383100556709e1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, I've reviewed the meeting recording to refresh my recollection of the discussion. In summary, I support the text that conveys along the line "MUST use CW when both PEs support it for Ethernet PW". And, as Glenn Parsons had suggested, strong recommendation to consider migration to CW-capable equipment or be prepared to experience problems caused by misinterpretation of payload by P routers, e.g. out of order delivery. Regards, Greg On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Shah, Himanshu wrote: > *Hi Sasha =E2=80=93 * > > > > *I responded to Stewart=E2=80=99s comments in a separate email on this th= read.* > > *This is a very old, well understood, well explained (in other RFC) > problem * > > *with well-known solutions and alternatives. * > > > > *IMHO, importance of recent concerns is unwarranted. Besides, the > Stewart=E2=80=99s* > > *draft adequately covers the problem and solution =E2=80=93 we are only d= iscussing* > > *=E2=80=9Crecommendation to replace the deployed boxes=E2=80=9D text.* > > > > *Thanks,* > > *Himanshu* > > > > *From: *"Alexander com>" > *Date: *Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM > *To: *"draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" < > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org>, "pals-chairs@ietf.org" < > pals-chairs@ietf.org>, "pals@ietf.org" > *Cc: *Stewart Bryant , "Shah, Himanshu" < > hshah@ciena.com> > *Subject: *RE: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" > > > > I support adoption of this draft as a WG document. > > > > It addresses a real operational problem, and outlines what looks to me a > reasonable (actually, the only possible) solution of this problem. > > > > At the same time I wonder if this draft should be the Standards Track or > BCP. But this clearly can be defined once it is adopted. > > > > As for deprecation of some aspects of RFCs in the Routing Area, we have a > relatively recent deprecation of BGP Entropy Label Capability attribute > (RFC 7447) and retirement (which is another name for deprecation) of TLV= s > from the G-ACH header (RFC 7026). So these things definitely happen. > > > > Regards, > > Sasha > > > > Office: +972-39266302 <+972%203-926-6302> > > Cell: +972-549266302 <+972%2054-926-6302> > > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > > > > *From:* Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:25 PM > *To:* Shah, Himanshu ; draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ > ietf.org; pals-chairs@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" > > > > Speaking as an individual contributor. > > Hi Himanchu, > > You made this point at the meeting, but I did not detect significant > support from others present for your position. > > There are two groups of people that we need to consult on this matter, th= e > PALS WG which we are doing here, but also the Operations area, since we a= re > publishing this text to solve an operational problem that was reported to > us. > > Such deprication proposals are not common in the routing area, because we > rarely face such problems, but they are common in for example the securit= y > area where old crypto algorithms get phase out, so including such text in > an RFC is not unheard of in an RFC. > > Perhaps you can help us understand why you think the IETF should not make > this recommendation? With that clarification I hope that we can better mo= ve > towards achieving rough consensus on leaving the the text as is, tuning t= he > text to address your concern, or removing it from the draft. > > I do not understand why resolution of this point needs to gate WG > adoption, since the draft cannot proceed to the IESG without achieving an > adequate degree of consensus for publication, whilst adopting it > communicates to our colleagues in the IEEE, and the operator community th= at > we are addressing the concern that they raised with us. > > - Stewart > > > > On 10/08/2017 13:49, Shah, Himanshu wrote: > > *We explicitly discussed this point @IETF99 in PALS WG meeting, in the > draft :* > > > > *=E2=80=9CTo remove this problem in the long term, and hence to reduce th= e* > > * operational cost of investigating problems associated with the* > > * incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over PWs not using the CW,* > > * it is RECOMMENDED that equipment that does not support the CW be* > > * phased out of operational use**.=E2=80=9D* > > > > *The rough consensus/understanding was that this language is not > appropriate for the RFC.* > > > > *I object to this paragraph (as I did in the meeting) and recommend > removing it from the draft* > > *before it is accepted as working group draft.* > > > > > > *Thanks,* > > *Himanshu* > > > > *From: *Pals on behalf of > IETF Secretariat > > *Date: *Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 6:11 AM > *To: *"draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" > cw@ietf.org> , > "pals-chairs@ietf.org" > , "pals@ietf.org" > > *Subject: *[Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in > state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" > > > > > > The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state > > Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Andrew Malis) > > > > The document is available at > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pals mailing list > > Pals@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains > information which is > CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have > received this > transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then > delete the original > and all copies thereof. > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > > _______________________________________________ > Pals mailing list > Pals@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals > > --94eb2c14abc89383100556709e1e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,
I've reviewed the meeting recording to r= efresh my recollection of the discussion. In summary, I support the text th= at conveys along the line "MUST use CW when both PEs support it for Et= hernet PW". And, as Glenn Parsons had suggested, strong recommendation= to consider migration to CW-capable equipment or be prepared to experience= problems caused by misinterpretation of payload by P routers, e.g. out of = order delivery.

Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Aug 10, = 2017 at 12:42 PM, Shah, Himanshu <hshah@ciena.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

Hi Sasha =E2=80=93

=C2=A0

I responded to Stewart=E2=80=99s comments in a sep= arate email on this thread.

This is a very old, well understood, well explaine= d (in other RFC) problem

with well-known solutions and alternatives.

=C2=A0

IMHO, importance of recent concerns is unwarranted= . Besides, the Stewart=E2=80=99s

draft adequately covers the problem and solution = =E2=80=93 we are only discussing

=E2=80=9Crecommendation to replace the deployed bo= xes=E2=80=9D text.

=C2=A0

Thanks,<= /p>

Himanshu

=C2=A0

From: "= ;Alexander com>" <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>
Date: Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM
To: "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" <= ;draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org>, "pals-chairs@ietf.org" = <pals-chairs@i= etf.org>, "p= als@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, "Shah, Himan= shu" <hshah@ci= ena.com>
Subject: RE: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-etherne= t-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

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I support = adoption of this draft as a WG document.

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It address= es a real operational problem, and outlines what looks to me a reasonable (= actually, the only possible) solution of this problem.

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At the sam= e time I wonder if this draft should be the Standards Track or BCP. But thi= s clearly can be defined once it is adopted.

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As for dep= recation of some aspects of RFCs in the Routing Area, we have a relatively = recent deprecation of BGP Entropy Label Capability attribute (RFC 7447) and retirement (which is another name for deprecation= ) of =C2=A0TLVs from the G-ACH header (RFC 7026). So these things definitel= y happen.

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Regards,

Sasha

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Office: +9= 72-39266302

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From= : Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:25 PM
To: Shah, Himanshu <hshah@ciena.com>; draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.o= rg; pals-chai= rs@ietf.org; pals@ie= tf.org
Subject: Re: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-etherne= t-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

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Speaking as an individual contributor.=

Hi Himanchu,

You made this point at the meeting, but I did= not detect significant support from others present for your position.

There are two groups of people that we need t= o consult on this matter, the PALS WG which we are doing here, but also the= Operations area, since we are publishing this text to solve an operational= problem that was reported to us.

Such deprication proposals are not common in = the routing area, because we rarely face such problems, but they are common= in for example the security area where old crypto algorithms get phase out= , so including such text in an RFC is not unheard of in an RFC.

Perhaps you can help us understand why you th= ink the IETF should not make this recommendation? With that clarification I= hope that we can better move towards achieving rough consensus on leaving = the the text as is, tuning the text to address your concern, or removing it from the draft.

I do not understand why resolution of this po= int needs to gate WG adoption, since the draft cannot proceed to the IESG w= ithout achieving an adequate degree of consensus for publication, whilst ad= opting it communicates to our colleagues in the IEEE, and the operator community that we are addressing the concern= that they raised with us.

- Stewart

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On 10/08/2017 13:49, Shah= , Himanshu wrote:

We explicitly discussed= this point @IETF99 in PALS WG meeting, in the draft :=

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=E2=80=9CTo remove this= problem in the long term, and hence to reduce the=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 operationa= l cost of investigating problems associated with the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 incorrect = forwarding of Ethernet packets over PWs not using the CW,=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 it is RECOMMENDED that equipment that doe= s not support the CW be

=C2= =A0=C2=A0 phased out of operational use.=E2=80=9D

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The rough consensus/und= erstanding was that this language is not appropriate for the RFC.

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I object to this paragr= aph (as I did in the meeting) and recommend removing it from the draft

before it is accepted a= s working group draft.

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Thanks= ,

Himans= hu

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From: Pals = <pals-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org>
Date: Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 6:11 AM
To: "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" <draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org>, "pals-chairs= @ietf.org" <pals-chairs@ietf.org>, "pals@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>
Subject: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw= in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The PALS WG has placed d= raft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state

Call For Adoption By WG = Issued (entered by Andrew Malis)

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The document is availabl= e at

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[45.19.110.76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u199sm916ywc.107.2017.08.10.22.07.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Suresh Krishnan In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 01:07:43 -0400 Cc: Stewart Bryant , The IESG , "draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org" , Andrew Malis , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <149789595318.10806.1824750906630874204.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9CBAC67B-E27D-45D2-A057-F6CA0642999A@cisco.com> To: "Parag Jain (paragj)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Suresh Krishnan's Discuss on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 05:07:53 -0000 Hi Parag, =20 > On Aug 9, 2017, at 10:32 PM, Parag Jain (paragj) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Suresh, >=20 > Are you good with the reply from Bryant and me below? I am not entirely convinced (and would have liked some text added along = the lines of Stewart=E2=80=99s explanation). But since you have = clarified that the address family is intentionally conveyed implicitly, = I will go ahead and clear.=20 Thanks Suresh >=20 > Thanks > Parag >=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> I think the P2MP Pseudowire Sub-TLV in Section 4.1 is a bit = under-specified. It >> is unclear how the address family of the originating router's IP = address is >> communicated. Is this purely derived from the IP Addr Len (i.e. Len = is 4 =3D> >> IPv4, Len is 16 =3D> IPv6)? >=20 > Suresh >=20 > Whilst I have some sympathy for your point, it does say "The = Originating=20 > Router's IP address is the > IPv4 or IPv6 address of the P2MP PW root." So only two address = families=20 > are allowed, and > I doubt that the IETF will have much stomach for a third = mainstream=20 > family. Those two > families are clearly distinguishable by length, so there really = is no=20 > ambiguity. >=20 >=20 >> If so, I think it would be useful to state this >> explicitly and add some validity checking and error handling for = values other >> than 4 and 16. >=20 > RFC4379 which is a base document has section 3.7 on what to do = if there=20 > is an error in the > TLV, so technically the draft is complete, although on a P2MP I = am not=20 > sure that is the > right way forward since a lot of error traffic may be returned. = It might=20 > be better to log > the error via the NMS. >=20 > - Stewart >=20 > Thanks Stewart! >=20 > Please also see section 7 of the draft which talks about employing = procedures to reduce the congestion of echo responses and limiting the = echo reply to a single egress node. >=20 > Thanks > Parag >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> Are there no alignment requirements for the IP address in = "Originating Routers >> IP Addr" inside the sub-TLV? I would think that alignment on a 4 byte = boundary >> might be needed. >>=20 >>=20 > Why? It may not be aligned by the time we take into a/c the MAC = header=20 > etc no matter what > we do to the TLV. >=20 > - Stewart >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Thu Aug 10 22:10:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F82131CF2; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:09:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suresh Krishnan To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.58.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150242819775.8557.18029534351850875985.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:09:57 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 05:09:58 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * I think the P2MP Pseudowire Sub-TLV in Section 4.1 is a bit under-specified. It is unclear how the address family of the originating router's IP address is communicated. Is this purely derived from the IP Addr Len (i.e. Len is 4 => IPv4, Len is 16 => IPv6)? If so, I think it would be useful to state this explicitly and add some validity checking and error handling for values other than 4 and 16. [Authors clarified that this is intentionally conveyed this way as they do not expect to support any other address families] * Are there no alignment requirements for the IP address in "Originating Routers IP Addr" inside the sub-TLV? I would think that alignment on a 4 byte boundary might be needed. 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<8564B868-0FCD-4350-B005-DFE1D69FACCD@ciena.com> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:09:28 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Shah, Himanshu" Cc: Alexander Vainshtein , "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" , Stewart Bryant Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c14abc8908238055680ba85" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:09:34 -0000 --94eb2c14abc8908238055680ba85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Himanshu, and so I did. My notes reflects my opinion not as expressed at the mike but after all the discussion that took place. Hope that clarifies things. If we can suggest steps other than using CW to avoid "first nibble" issue, then let's discuss and add them to the document. Regards, Greg On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Shah, Himanshu wrote: > *Greg =E2=80=93* > > > > *Please review the video recording. Exactly at 32min 30sec and few second= s > afterwards.* > > > > > > *Thanks,* > > *Himanshu* > > > > *From: *Greg Mirsky > *Date: *Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 9:56 PM > *To: *"Shah, Himanshu" > *Cc: *"Alexander com>" , " > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" cw@ietf.org>, "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , " > pals@ietf.org" , Stewart Bryant > > *Subject: *Re: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" > > > > Dear All, > > I've reviewed the meeting recording to refresh my recollection of the > discussion. In summary, I support the text that conveys along the line > "MUST use CW when both PEs support it for Ethernet PW". And, as Glenn > Parsons had suggested, strong recommendation to consider migration to > CW-capable equipment or be prepared to experience problems caused by > misinterpretation of payload by P routers, e.g. out of order delivery. > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Shah, Himanshu wrote: > > *Hi Sasha =E2=80=93 * > > > > *I responded to Stewart=E2=80=99s comments in a separate email on this th= read.* > > *This is a very old, well understood, well explained (in other RFC) > problem * > > *with well-known solutions and alternatives. * > > > > *IMHO, importance of recent concerns is unwarranted. Besides, the > Stewart=E2=80=99s* > > *draft adequately covers the problem and solution =E2=80=93 we are only d= iscussing* > > *=E2=80=9Crecommendation to replace the deployed boxes=E2=80=9D text.* > > > > *Thanks,* > > *Himanshu* > > > > *From: *"Alexander com>" > *Date: *Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM > *To: *"draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" < > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org>, "pals-chairs@ietf.org" < > pals-chairs@ietf.org>, "pals@ietf.org" > *Cc: *Stewart Bryant , "Shah, Himanshu" < > hshah@ciena.com> > *Subject: *RE: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" > > > > I support adoption of this draft as a WG document. > > > > It addresses a real operational problem, and outlines what looks to me a > reasonable (actually, the only possible) solution of this problem. > > > > At the same time I wonder if this draft should be the Standards Track or > BCP. But this clearly can be defined once it is adopted. > > > > As for deprecation of some aspects of RFCs in the Routing Area, we have a > relatively recent deprecation of BGP Entropy Label Capability attribute > (RFC 7447) and retirement (which is another name for deprecation) of TLV= s > from the G-ACH header (RFC 7026). So these things definitely happen. > > > > Regards, > > Sasha > > > > Office: +972-39266302 <+972%203-926-6302> > > Cell: +972-549266302 <+972%2054-926-6302> > > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > > > > *From:* Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:25 PM > *To:* Shah, Himanshu ; draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ > ietf.org; pals-chairs@ietf.org; pals@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" > > > > Speaking as an individual contributor. > > Hi Himanchu, > > You made this point at the meeting, but I did not detect significant > support from others present for your position. > > There are two groups of people that we need to consult on this matter, th= e > PALS WG which we are doing here, but also the Operations area, since we a= re > publishing this text to solve an operational problem that was reported to > us. > > Such deprication proposals are not common in the routing area, because we > rarely face such problems, but they are common in for example the securit= y > area where old crypto algorithms get phase out, so including such text in > an RFC is not unheard of in an RFC. > > Perhaps you can help us understand why you think the IETF should not make > this recommendation? With that clarification I hope that we can better mo= ve > towards achieving rough consensus on leaving the the text as is, tuning t= he > text to address your concern, or removing it from the draft. > > I do not understand why resolution of this point needs to gate WG > adoption, since the draft cannot proceed to the IESG without achieving an > adequate degree of consensus for publication, whilst adopting it > communicates to our colleagues in the IEEE, and the operator community th= at > we are addressing the concern that they raised with us. > > - Stewart > > > > On 10/08/2017 13:49, Shah, Himanshu wrote: > > *We explicitly discussed this point @IETF99 in PALS WG meeting, in the > draft :* > > > > *=E2=80=9CTo remove this problem in the long term, and hence to reduce th= e* > > * operational cost of investigating problems associated with the* > > * incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over PWs not using the CW,* > > * it is RECOMMENDED that equipment that does not support the CW be* > > * phased out of operational use**.=E2=80=9D* > > > > *The rough consensus/understanding was that this language is not > appropriate for the RFC.* > > > > *I object to this paragraph (as I did in the meeting) and recommend > removing it from the draft* > > *before it is accepted as working group draft.* > > > > > > *Thanks,* > > *Himanshu* > > > > *From: *Pals on behalf of > IETF Secretariat > > *Date: *Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 6:11 AM > *To: *"draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" > cw@ietf.org> , > "pals-chairs@ietf.org" > , "pals@ietf.org" > > *Subject: *[Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in > state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" > > > > > > The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state > > Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Andrew Malis) > > > > The document is available at > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pals mailing list > > Pals@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains > information which is > CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have > received this > transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then > delete the original > and all copies thereof. > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > > _______________________________________________ > Pals mailing list > Pals@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals > > > --94eb2c14abc8908238055680ba85 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Himanshu,
and so I did. My notes reflects my opinio= n not as expressed at the mike but after all the discussion that took place= . Hope that clarifies things.
If we can suggest steps other than = using CW to avoid "first nibble" issue, then let's discuss an= d add them to the document.

Regards,
Gre= g

On F= ri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Shah, Himanshu <hshah@ciena.com> wrote:

Greg =E2=80=93

=C2=A0

Please review the video recording. Exactly at 32mi= n 30sec and few seconds afterwards.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks,<= /p>

Himanshu

=C2=A0

From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 9:56 PM
To: "Shah, Himanshu" <hshah@ciena.com>
Cc: "Alexander com>" <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.c= om>, "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" &l= t;draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org>, "pals-chairs@ietf.org"= <pals-chairs@= ietf.org>, "= pals@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>


Subject: Re: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-etherne= t-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

=C2=A0

Dear All, <= /p>

I've reviewed the mee= ting recording to refresh my recollection of the discussion. In summary, I = support the text that conveys along the line "MUST use CW when both PE= s support it for Ethernet PW". And, as Glenn Parsons had suggested, strong recommendation to consider migration to CW-c= apable equipment or be prepared to experience problems caused by misinterpr= etation of payload by P routers, e.g. out of order delivery.<= /p>

=C2=A0

Regards,

Greg

=C2=A0

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1= 2:42 PM, Shah, Himanshu <hshah@ciena.com> wrote:

Hi Sasha =E2=80=93

=C2=A0

I responded to Stewart=E2=80=99s comments in a separate email on this thr= ead.

This is a very old, well understood, well explained (in other RFC) proble= m

with well-known solutions and alternatives.

=C2=A0

IMHO, importance of recent concerns is unwarranted. Besides, the Stewart= =E2=80=99s

draft adequately covers the problem and solution =E2=80=93 we are only di= scussing

=E2=80=9Crecommendation to replace the deployed boxes=E2=80=9D text.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Himanshu

=C2=A0

From: = "Alexan= der com>" <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>
Date: Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM
To: "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" <= ;draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org>, "pals-chairs@ietf.org" <pals-chairs@= ietf.org>, "= pals@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, "Shah, Himanshu&quo= t; <hshah@ciena.com= >
Subject: RE: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-etherne= t-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

=C2=A0

I support adoption of this draft as a WG document.=

=C2=A0

It addresses a real operational problem, and outlines what l= ooks to me a reasonable (actually, the only possible) solution of this prob= lem.

=C2=A0

At the same time I wonder if this draft should be the Standa= rds Track or BCP. But this clearly can be defined once it is adopted.

=C2=A0

As for deprecation of some aspects of RFCs in the Routing Ar= ea, we have a relatively recent deprecation of BGP Entropy Label Capability= attribute (RFC 7447) and retirement (which is another name for deprecation) of =C2=A0TLVs from the G-ACH header (RFC = 7026). So these things definitely happen.

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From: Pals [mailto:pals-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:25 PM
To: Shah, Himanshu <hshah@ciena.com>; draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org; pals-chairs@ietf.= org; pals@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pals] The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-etherne= t-cw in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

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Speaking as an individual contributor.

Hi Himanchu,

You made this point at the meeting, but I di= d not detect significant support from others present for your position.<= /u>

There are two groups of people that we need = to consult on this matter, the PALS WG which we are doing here, but also th= e Operations area, since we are publishing this text to solve an operationa= l problem that was reported to us.

Such deprication proposals are not common in= the routing area, because we rarely face such problems, but they are commo= n in for example the security area where old crypto algorithms get phase ou= t, so including such text in an RFC is not unheard of in an RFC.

Perhaps you can help us understand why you t= hink the IETF should not make this recommendation? With that clarification = I hope that we can better move towards achieving rough consensus on leaving= the the text as is, tuning the text to address your concern, or removing it from the draft.

I do not understand why resolution of this p= oint needs to gate WG adoption, since the draft cannot proceed to the IESG = without achieving an adequate degree of consensus for publication, whilst a= dopting it communicates to our colleagues in the IEEE, and the operator community that we are addressing the concern= that they raised with us.

- Stewart

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On 10/08/2017 13:49, Shah, Himanshu wrote:

We explicitly discussed this point @IETF99 in PALS WG meeting, in the dra= ft :

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=E2=80=9CTo remove this problem in the long term, and hence to reduce the=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 operational cost of investigating problems associated with t= he

=C2=A0=C2=A0 incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over PWs not using = the CW,

=C2=A0=C2=A0 it is RECOMMENDED that equipment that does not support the CW be

=C2=A0=C2=A0 phased out of operational use= .=E2=80=9D

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The rough consensus/understanding was that this language is not appropria= te for the RFC.

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I object to this paragraph (as I did in the meeting) and recommend removi= ng it from the draft

before it is accepted as working group draft.

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Thanks,

Himanshu

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The PALS WG has placed draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw in state=

Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Andrew Malis)

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<150274291068.10380.3818838529448036258.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 13:35:10 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] pals - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:35:11 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Andrew G. Malis, a Chair of the pals working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Andrew Malis Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: rtgwg spring opsawg nvo3 detnet mpls ccamp rtgarea sfc netslicing Second Priority: teas People who must be present: Stewart Bryant Andrew G. Malis Matthew Bocci Deborah Brungard David Sinicrope Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please avoid any BOFs in the Routing area. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Aug 21 11:15:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D681329E4; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:15:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.58.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150333935549.6831.5416750974588524797@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:15:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-05.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:15:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services WG of the IETF. Title : Definition of P2MP PW TLV for LSP-Ping Mechanisms Authors : Parag Jain Sami Boutros Sam Aldrin Filename : draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-05.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2017-08-21 Abstract: LSP-Ping is a widely deployed Operation, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) mechanism in MPLS networks. This document describes a mechanism to verify connectivity of Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) Pseudowires (PW) using LSP Ping. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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([2600:1005:b06f:721:316c:341:5965:8a4a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n90sm75927ioe.72.2017.08.22.16.26.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Suresh Krishnan In-Reply-To: <72865BA3-3BD2-458F-B8BC-F7305963DF0C@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 19:26:43 -0400 Cc: Stewart Bryant , The IESG , "draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org" , Andrew Malis , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <149789595318.10806.1824750906630874204.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9CBAC67B-E27D-45D2-A057-F6CA0642999A@cisco.com> <72865BA3-3BD2-458F-B8BC-F7305963DF0C@cisco.com> To: "Parag Jain (paragj)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Suresh Krishnan's Discuss on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-03: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:26:53 -0000 > On Aug 21, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Parag Jain (paragj) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Suresh >=20 >=20 > On 2017-08-11, 1:07 AM, "Suresh Krishnan" = wrote: >=20 > Hi Parag, >=20 >> On Aug 9, 2017, at 10:32 PM, Parag Jain (paragj) = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Suresh, >>=20 >> Are you good with the reply from Bryant and me below? >=20 > I am not entirely convinced (and would have liked some text added = along the lines of Stewart=E2=80=99s explanation). But since you have = clarified that the address family is intentionally conveyed implicitly, = I will go ahead and clear.=20 >=20 > Paragj>I have taken care your comment in the new version of the draft = (version 05). Thanks a lot Parag for adding clarifying text into the draft. I had = already cleared based on Stewart and your mails. Regards Suresh From nobody Thu Aug 24 14:40:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5761323B8; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:39:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.58.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , db3546@att.com, draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, pals-chairs@ietf.org, Andrew Malis , pals@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <150361078489.25384.8475710962063502648.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:39:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Protocol Action: 'Definition of P2MP PW TLV for LSP-Ping Mechanisms' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-05.txt) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:39:45 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Definition of P2MP PW TLV for LSP-Ping Mechanisms' (draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-05.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping/ Technical Summary LSP Ping is a widely deployed Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) mechanism in MPLS networks. This document describes a mechanism to verify connectivity of Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) Pseudowires (PW) using LSP Ping. Working Group Summary There was nothing special in the WG process worth noting. Document Quality This is a short draft that received several good reviews and comments along its path (see the acknowledgements section for the comment sources), and also a Routing Directorate review. It has not yet been implemented (to my knowledge), but there is at least one implementation planned. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Andy Malis Who is the Responsible Area Director? 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t66sm5169952wrc.36.2017.08.25.04.48.31 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 25 Aug 2017 04:48:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <150363398372.9556.9372143445362152600.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "pals@ietf.org" From: Stewart Bryant X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <150363398372.9556.9372143445362152600.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 12:48:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150363398372.9556.9372143445362152600.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AC59B149DB3137C567B69349" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Fwd: NomCom 2017: Call for nominations X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:48:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AC59B149DB3137C567B69349 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It is once again the time of year when the IETF selects its ongoing leadership. Please help the Nomcom in this important task by ensuring that they have a good selection of candidates to choose from and by providing them with feedback on the candidates that have agreed to be considered for appointment. - Stewart -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: NomCom 2017: Call for nominations Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:06:23 -0700 From: NomCom Chair 2017 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org To: IETF Announcement List The 2017-18 Nominating Committee (NomCom) is seeking nominations from now until October 8, 2017. The open positions being considered by this year's NomCom can be found at the end of this email and also on this year's NomCom website: https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/ Nominations may be made by selecting the Nominate link at the top of the NomCom 2017 home page, or by visiting the following URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/nominate/ {Note that nominations made using the web tool require an ietf.org datatracker account. You can create a datatracker ietf.org account if you don't have one already by visiting the following URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/create/ } If you are unable to use the web form, nominations may instead be made by email to nomcom-17 at ietf dot org. If using email, please include the word "Nominate" in the Subject and indicate in the email who is being nominated, their email address (to confirm acceptance of the nomination), and the position for which you are making the nomination. If you are nominating someone other than yourself, please tell us if we may tell the nominee that you were the one who made the nomination. If you wish to nominate someone via email for more than one position, please use separate emails to do so. Self-nomination is welcome! Willing nominees will be asked to fill out a questionnaire specific to the position for which they are nominated. The questionnaires will be available on September 5, 2017 and have a submission deadline of October 13, 2017. NomCom 2017-18 will follow the policy for "Open Disclosure of Willing Nominees" described in BCP 10/RFC 7437. As stated in RFC 7437: "The list of nominees willing to be considered for positions under review in the current NomCom cycle is not confidential". Willing nominees for each position will be listed in a publicly accessible way, e.g., anyone with a datatracker account may access the lists. Additionally, the nomination form asks if we may share your own name with the nominee. In all other ways, the confidentiality requirements of BCP 10 remain in effect. All feedback and all NomCom deliberations will remain confidential and will not be disclosed. There is a field on the form you can mark in order to allow the NomCom to tell the nominee that you were the one who made the nomination. This defaults to “no” - so if you don't mark the field we won’t tell. In order to ensure time to collect sufficient community feedback about each of the willing nominees, nominations must be received by the NomCom on or before October 8, 2017. Please submit your nominations as early as possible for the sake of your nominees. Note that nominations should not wait for management permission, as it is easier to decline the nomination than put one in late. The NomCom appoints individuals to fill the open slots on the IAOC, the IAB, and the IESG. The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2017 IETF meeting, and thus the positions for which this NomCom is responsible, follows: IAOC Leslie Daigle* IAB * Ted Hardie * Joe Hildebrand* * Lee Howard* * Erik Nordmark * Martin Thomson * Brian Trammell IESG * Adam Roach (ART) * Alia Atlas (RTG)* * Benoit Claise (OPS)* * Suresh Krishnan (INT) * Mirja Kühlewind (TSV) * Alexey Melnikov (ART) * Kathleen Moriarty (SEC) *- have indicated that they do not intend to accept a renomination. This information is always up to date on https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/ Please be resourceful in identifying possible candidates for these positions, as developing our talent is a very crucial requirement for the IETF, and also, please consider accepting a nomination. You'll find extensive information about specific positions, developed by the IAB, IESG, and IAOC, under individual tabs at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/requirements/ In addition to nominations, the NomCom seeks community input on the positions themselves. We need and welcome the community's views and input on the jobs within each organization. If you have ideas on the positions' responsibilities (more, less, different), please let us know. Please send suggestions and feedback about this to nomcom-17 at ietf dot org. Thank you for your help in identifying qualified nominees! Peter Yee NomCom Chair 2017-18 nomcom-chair-2017 at ietf dot org peter at akayla dot com --------------AC59B149DB3137C567B69349 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


It is once again the time of year when the IETF selects its ongoing leadership.

Please help the Nomcom in this important task by ensuring that they have a good selection of candidates to choose from and by providing them with feedback on the candidates that have agreed to be considered for appointment.

- Stewart

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: NomCom 2017: Call for nominations
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:06:23 -0700
From: NomCom Chair 2017 <nomcom-chair-2017@ietf.org>
Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org
To: IETF Announcement List <ietf-announce@ietf.org> 


The 2017-18 Nominating Committee (NomCom) is seeking nominations from now until October 8, 2017. The open positions being considered by this year's NomCom can be found at the end of this email and also on this year's NomCom website:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/

Nominations may be made by selecting the Nominate link at the top of the NomCom 2017 home page, or by visiting the following URL:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/nominate/

  {Note that nominations made using the web tool require an ietf.org
   datatracker account. You can create a datatracker ietf.org account
   if you don't have one already by visiting the following URL:
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/create/ }

If you are unable to use the web form, nominations may instead be made by email to nomcom-17 at ietf dot org. If using email, please include the word "Nominate" in the Subject and indicate in the email who is being nominated, their email address (to confirm acceptance of the nomination), and the position for which you are making the nomination.
If you are nominating someone other than yourself, please tell us if we may tell the nominee that you were the one who made the nomination.
If you wish to nominate someone via email for more than one position, please use separate emails to do so.

Self-nomination is welcome!

Willing nominees will be asked to fill out a questionnaire specific to the position for which they are nominated.  The questionnaires will be available on September 5, 2017 and have a submission deadline of October 13, 2017.

NomCom 2017-18 will follow the policy for "Open Disclosure of Willing Nominees" described in BCP 10/RFC 7437.  As stated in RFC 7437: "The list of nominees willing to be considered for positions under review in the current NomCom cycle is not confidential". Willing nominees for each position will be listed in a publicly accessible way, e.g., anyone with a datatracker account may access the lists.  Additionally, the nomination form asks if we may share your own name with the nominee. In all other ways, the confidentiality requirements of BCP 10 remain in effect.  All feedback and all NomCom deliberations will remain confidential and will not be disclosed.

There is a field on the form you can mark in order to allow the NomCom to tell the nominee that you were the one who made the nomination. This defaults to “no” - so if you don't mark the field we won’t tell.

In order to ensure time to collect sufficient community feedback about each of the willing nominees, nominations must be received by the NomCom on or before October 8, 2017.

Please submit your nominations as early as possible for the sake of your nominees. Note that nominations should not wait for management permission, as it is easier to decline the nomination than put one in late.

The NomCom appoints individuals to fill the open slots on the IAOC, the IAB, and the IESG. The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2017 IETF meeting, and thus the positions for which this NomCom is responsible, follows:

IAOC

Leslie Daigle*

IAB

* Ted Hardie
* Joe Hildebrand*
* Lee Howard*
* Erik Nordmark
* Martin Thomson
* Brian Trammell

IESG

* Adam Roach (ART)
* Alia Atlas (RTG)*
* Benoit Claise (OPS)*
* Suresh Krishnan (INT)
* Mirja Kühlewind (TSV)
* Alexey Melnikov (ART)
* Kathleen Moriarty (SEC)


*- have indicated that they do not intend to accept a renomination. This information is always up to date on https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/

Please be resourceful in identifying possible candidates for these positions, as developing our talent is a very crucial requirement for the IETF, and also, please consider accepting a nomination.  You'll find extensive information about specific positions, developed by the IAB, IESG, and IAOC, under individual tabs at:

  https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/requirements/

In addition to nominations, the NomCom seeks community input on the positions themselves.  We need and welcome the community's views and input on the jobs within each organization. If you have ideas on the positions' responsibilities (more, less, different), please let us know.

Please send suggestions and feedback about this to nomcom-17 at ietf dot org.

Thank you for your help in identifying qualified nominees!

Peter Yee
NomCom Chair 2017-18
nomcom-chair-2017 at ietf dot org
peter at akayla dot com
--------------AC59B149DB3137C567B69349-- From nobody Mon Aug 28 19:43:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F2D126B71; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw@ietf.org, Stewart Bryant , pals-chairs@ietf.org, stewart.bryant@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.59.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150397460616.13187.9088547841072107137.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:43:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 02:43:26 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please check idnits. It flags some issues that should be resolved, especially 2119 language issues. The security considerations seem inadequate. I'm no expert here, but it seems like adding p2mp support in addition to p2p support has a good chance of creating some new considerations. If it really doesn't, it would be helpful to see arguments to that effect. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w9sm254259wre.58.2017.08.29.05.17.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Aug 2017 05:17:39 -0700 (PDT) To: Ben Campbell , The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw@ietf.org, pals-chairs@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org References: <150397460616.13187.9088547841072107137.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 13:17:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150397460616.13187.9088547841072107137.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 12:17:52 -0000 On 29/08/2017 03:43, Ben Campbell wrote: > Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please check idnits. It flags some issues that should be resolved, especially > 2119 language issues. > > The security considerations seem inadequate. I'm no expert here, but it seems > like adding p2mp support in addition to p2p support has a good chance of > creating some new considerations. If it really doesn't, it would be helpful to > see arguments to that effect. > > Hi Ben Thank you for the review. The RFC2119 errors are all using "MUST not" instead of "MUST NOT" the intent is obvious and will surely be picked up by the RFC Editor as a matter of course. The reference to RFC4447 is an oversight in updating from RFC4447 to RFC4447bis during the gestation of the text. Again I am sure the RFC Editor would get that one. The only other IDnit is a writespace error in ordinary text. Clearly if there is a respin the editors should fix these points. As to your security concern this draft is concerned with the signalling needed to set up the p2mp PWs, and uses LDP exactly as any other MPLS system uses LDP so there are no new security issues that arise. There is an issue with LDP needing a security upgrade, but that is really outside the scope of this draft, and indeed is outside the scope of this WG. We are discussing with SecDir reviewer suitable text on this point. Best Regards Stewart suitable text From nobody Tue Aug 29 07:51:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD370132C3D; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 07:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LB_ob8SIOEp7; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 07:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AF13132C3A; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 07:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.63] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v7TEovt4070314 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Aug 2017 09:50:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.63] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 09:50:59 -0500 Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw@ietf.org, pals-chairs@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1EA946AE-D80E-41FC-9A57-4A93BFF51B67@nostrum.com> References: <150397460616.13187.9088547841072107137.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Stewart Bryant X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 14:51:04 -0000 > On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Stewart Bryant = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 29/08/2017 03:43, Ben Campbell wrote: >> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: No Objection >>=20 >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >>=20 >>=20 >> Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>=20 >>=20 >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> Please check idnits. It flags some issues that should be resolved, = especially >> 2119 language issues. >>=20 >> The security considerations seem inadequate. I'm no expert here, but = it seems >> like adding p2mp support in addition to p2p support has a good chance = of >> creating some new considerations. If it really doesn't, it would be = helpful to >> see arguments to that effect. >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > Hi Ben >=20 > Thank you for the review. >=20 > The RFC2119 errors are all using "MUST not" instead of "MUST NOT" the = intent is obvious and > will surely be picked up by the RFC Editor as a matter of course. >=20 > The reference to RFC4447 is an oversight in updating from RFC4447 to = RFC4447bis during the > gestation of the text. Again I am sure the RFC Editor would get that = one. >=20 > The only other IDnit is a writespace error in ordinary text. >=20 > Clearly if there is a respin the editors should fix these points. That works for me. >=20 > As to your security concern this draft is concerned with the = signalling needed to set up the > p2mp PWs, and uses LDP exactly as any other MPLS system uses LDP so = there are no new > security issues that arise. There is an issue with LDP needing a = security upgrade, but that > is really outside the scope of this draft, and indeed is outside the = scope of this WG. > We are discussing with SecDir reviewer suitable text on this point. I think it might be helpful to include a couple of sentences saying = those exact things=E2=80=94but I will defer to whatever comes of the = discussion with the SecDir reviewer. Thanks! Ben. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:29:37 -0000 Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I haven't sen a response to the SecDir review, so please point me to one if there has been a response. I fully agree with Tero that MD5 is not adequate and hasn't been for some time. What is the plan to rectify this and deprecate use of the TCP MD5 signature for LDP? RFC8077, says that LDP MD5 authentication key option as described in the section 2.9 of RFC5036 MUST be implemented. I asked on my ballot for RFC8077 when a deprecation process would start in support of Stephen's abstain and would like an update on that process. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/secdir/ga2pIVcGw9WEgBX5MXA9MCmSs_s From nobody Wed Aug 30 12:34:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5125813295C; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:34:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Qyg5JxiTCBQ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 178FD13292A; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.63] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v7UJYR0f065084 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:34:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.63] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <8305704F-B36C-4AEE-B7BF-C578DE85CE05@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:34:27 -0500 Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw@ietf.org" , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" , "stewart.bryant@gmail.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9B325AF1-EF3E-4C56-A492-2544FB057D31@nostrum.com> References: <150397460616.13187.9088547841072107137.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <8305704F-B36C-4AEE-B7BF-C578DE85CE05@cisco.com> To: "Parag Jain (paragj)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:34:33 -0000 My ballot comments were for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03, not = draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-05 (which is already approved an in the = hands of the RFC editor.) Thanks! Ben. > On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Parag Jain (paragj) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Ben >=20 > I ran idnits on the draft and did not find any issues. Pls see the = output below. >=20 > Thanks > Parag >=20 > idnits 2.14.01 /var/www/.idnits >=20 >=20 > tmp/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-lsp-ping-05.txt: >=20 > Checking boilerplate required by RFC 5378 and the IETF Trust (see > http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info): > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >=20 > No issues found here. >=20 > Checking nits according to = http://www.ietf.org/id-info/1id-guidelines.txt: > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >=20 > No issues found here. >=20 > Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist : > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >=20 > No issues found here. >=20 > Miscellaneous warnings: > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >=20 > -- The document date (August 21, 2017) is 9 days in the past. Is = this =E2=87=90 this is expected and nogt an issue. > intentional? >=20 >=20 > Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >=20 > (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative = references > to lower-maturity documents in RFCs) >=20 > No issues found here. >=20 > Summary: 0 errors (**), 0 flaws (~~), 0 warnings (=3D=3D), 1 = comment (--). >=20 >=20 > On 2017-08-28, 10:43 PM, "Pals on behalf of Ben Campbell" = wrote: >=20 > Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Please check idnits. It flags some issues that should be resolved, = especially > 2119 language issues. >=20 > The security considerations seem inadequate. I'm no expert here, = but it seems > like adding p2mp support in addition to p2p support has a good = chance of > creating some new considerations. If it really doesn't, it would be = helpful to > see arguments to that effect. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Pals mailing list > Pals@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pals >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Aug 30 12:36:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C75F132A84; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:36:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RhOO99oxm1ra; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C0401329C8; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:35:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5144; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1504121744; x=1505331344; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=MzcX0dSAuZ7/wY7vhUFJ3ZJnJlU31rhtPoytmg05e5E=; b=hUl31Tp56APZOqrx1tkAGmrDXq2Xsn56rpv+0uwjM29NG/bhlH7KTdeY hIkHxh9Q65o0vvNppVSd8ZweLHDUUG6rYH8RBTPj5HmoOaE6ex/vxZY+Z XK6lyBC1FVcBPKDKaq6jt+eEqJ5XrOhsHFnqWUkF9mP2WWXhbTHs5CisN 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DLAABXEqdZ/4wNJK1eGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1pkgRUHg3CKHpAegXGWJw6CBCELhRsCGoQNPxgBAgEBAQEBAQF?= =?us-ascii?q?rKIUYAQEBAQIBAQEhETcDCxACAQgYAgImAgICJQsVEAIEDgUJiiAIEK0lgieLQ?= =?us-ascii?q?wEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAR2BDYIdggKBToIOgn2EQgESATaCfDCCMQW?= =?us-ascii?q?KA44riD4Ch1eMc4ISWoUNiSmBSZZCAR84gQILdxVJEgGFBRwZgU52AYhZgSMBg?= =?us-ascii?q?Q4BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.41,449,1498521600"; d="scan'208";a="289394391" Received: from alln-core-7.cisco.com ([173.36.13.140]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 30 Aug 2017 19:35:43 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-003.cisco.com (xch-rtp-003.cisco.com [64.101.220.143]) by alln-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v7UJZhlc004668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:35:43 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-001.cisco.com (64.101.220.141) by XCH-RTP-003.cisco.com (64.101.220.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1263.5; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:35:42 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-001.cisco.com ([64.101.220.141]) by XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com ([64.101.220.141]) with mapi id 15.00.1263.000; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:35:42 -0400 From: "Parag Jain (paragj)" To: Ben Campbell CC: The IESG , "draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw@ietf.org" , "pals-chairs@ietf.org" , "pals@ietf.org" , "stewart.bryant@gmail.com" Thread-Topic: [Pals] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHTIHCcFp+2yRI79kSETmbfDIJLqqKdRsEAgABJZ4D//71VAA== Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:35:42 +0000 Message-ID: <88EF57AB-3A88-42F1-BC4F-B1E802EBC17C@cisco.com> References: <150397460616.13187.9088547841072107137.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <8305704F-B36C-4AEE-B7BF-C578DE85CE05@cisco.com> <9B325AF1-EF3E-4C56-A492-2544FB057D31@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <9B325AF1-EF3E-4C56-A492-2544FB057D31@nostrum.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.1a.0.160910 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.65] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." 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draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 22:35:37 -0000 Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with Kathleen about the MD5 issue. I recognize it's not unique to this document, but eventually we do need to deal with it. intended for bidirectional service whereas the latter is intended for both unidirectional, and optionally bidirectional service. Requirements for P2MP PW are described in [RFC7338]. P2MP PW can be This is quite hard to read because P2MP and P2P are close. Perhaps replace "former" and "latter" with names. constructed as either Single Segment (P2MP SS-PW) or Multi Segment (P2MP MS-PW) Pseudowires as mentioned in [RFC7338]. P2MP MS-PW is outside the scope of this document. A reference model or a P2MP PW is Nit: you have singular/plural disagreement Parameters field in octets. If this value is 0, then it references all PWs using the specified grouping ID. In this case, there are neither other FEC element fields (AGI, SAII, etc.) present, nor any Which grouping ID? It's not clear to me what field this corresponds to. From nobody Wed Aug 30 18:07:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1AB1204DA; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:07:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suresh Krishnan To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw@ietf.org, Stewart Bryant , pals-chairs@ietf.org, stewart.bryant@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.59.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150414165129.16888.245048756650963482.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:07:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Suresh Krishnan's Discuss on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 01:07:31 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Section 7.3. mLDP Opaque Value Element TLV Type >From my reading of RFC6388, the "Value" in the TLV type is interpreted based on the type and this document does not seem to specify what goes into the value. Additionally, the document requests the type "0x3" but it looks like that type has been allocated already to "Transit IPv4 Source TLV type" as per https://www.iana.org/assignments/ldp-namespaces/ldp-namespaces.xhtml#ldp-namespaces-11 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * I think there is a typo in Figure 2. The "AII Type" field should be labeled "SAII Type" instead? * Why is the PW type referencing RFC4447 when the rest of the document refers solely to RFC4447bis? Is this intentional or a mistake? "* PW Type: 15 bits representation of PW type as specified in [RFC4447]." * The term "PMSI Tunnel info" is used without being defined and is required to calculate the length. I am guessing "PMSI Tunnel info" means the combination of PMSI Tunnel Type, Length and Transport LSP ID. If this is so, please make it explicit and define. If not, clarify. From nobody Thu Aug 31 03:48:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C501321A5; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 03:48:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benoit Claise To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw@ietf.org, Stewart Bryant , pals-chairs@ietf.org, stewart.bryant@gmail.com, pals@ietf.org, sbanks@encrypted.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.59.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150417651353.16856.13061585074237827241.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 03:48:33 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 10:48:33 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is Sarah's OPS DIR review. Her Why (Do I care?) comment resonates with me: I could not find the information. I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. I think the document is almost ready to go. I don't have technical issue with the content, but I think the document reads in parts like several authors cut/paste/contributed, and the document doesn't flow well in spots. Perhaps this is a personal choice, but I believe that documents that read with some amount of approachability with respect to all interested readers, and not just hard core whatever-the-protocol-is-fanatics, benefits our community for the better. Last, maybe it's the product manager in me, and not the development engineer, but why do I care? Is this just to add LDP as another mechanism for establishing the PW? Is there some deficit that's being addressed by LDP that existing mechanisms don't solve? This isn't addressed in a way that resonates in the document, for me. Last, while super picky, the acronym "PSN" was used in the abstract before being properly introduced. This was mostly made more noticeable by the fact that the rest of the draft does a fantastic job of introducing the terms before using the acronym. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b91sm2887657wrd.41.2017.08.31.05.03.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 31 Aug 2017 05:03:00 -0700 (PDT) To: Kathleen Moriarty , The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw@ietf.org, pals-chairs@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org References: <150412137722.21566.9884376358367891967.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <233ebf05-b663-2a78-e962-5edf2940e85f@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 13:02:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150412137722.21566.9884376358367891967.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 12:03:17 -0000 On 30/08/2017 20:29, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I haven't sen a response to the SecDir review, so please point me to one if > there has been a response. I fully agree with Tero that MD5 is not adequate > and hasn't been for some time. What is the plan to rectify this and deprecate > use of the TCP MD5 signature for LDP? RFC8077, says that LDP MD5 authentication > key option as described in the section 2.9 of RFC5036 MUST be implemented. I > asked on my ballot for RFC8077 when a deprecation process would start in > support of Stephen's abstain and would like an update on that process. > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/secdir/ga2pIVcGw9WEgBX5MXA9MCmSs_s > > > > Hi Kathleen, I have proposed some text that tells implementers and operators that MD5 is inadequate and that they should be prepared for an upgraded default hash for LDP. I don't think we do any more at this stage. I have just spoken to Loa, one of the MPLS chairs, and we have agreed to write a short draft within the next month to start the process of deprecating MD5 and selecting and standardizing a new default hash for LDP. We will discuss this draft with the MPLS WG via the MPLS list and at the next IETF. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 14:06:58 -0000 On 31/08/2017 11:48, Benoit Claise wrote: > Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Here is Sarah's OPS DIR review. Her Why (Do I care?) comment resonates with me: > I could not find the information. > > I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's ongoing > effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments > were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects of the IETF > drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be included in AD > reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat > these comments just like any other last call comments. > > I think the document is almost ready to go. I don't have technical > issue with the content, but I think the document reads in parts like > several authors cut/paste/contributed, and the document doesn't flow > well in spots. Perhaps this is a personal choice, but I believe that > documents that read with some amount of approachability with respect to > all interested readers, and not just hard core > whatever-the-protocol-is-fanatics, benefits our community for the > better. Last, maybe it's the product manager in me, and not the > development engineer, but why do I care? Previously the only way to set up a p2mp PW was static configuration. This defines how to do the setup via LDP which is the normal signalling protocol used for PWs. > Is this just to add LDP as > another mechanism for establishing the PW? It is the first signalled method for a true P2MP PW. > Is there some deficit that's > being addressed by LDP that existing mechanisms don't solve? Yes, this is a signalled method. > This isn't > addressed in a way that resonates in the document, for me. > Last, while > super picky, the acronym "PSN" was used in the abstract before being > properly introduced. This was mostly made more noticeable by the fact > that the rest of the draft does a fantastic job of introducing the > terms before using the acronym. That is easily fixed and the RFC Editor would normally do it automatically. For the reader this would not normally be their first text on the subject and so they would normally already be familiar with the term. Best regards Stewart > > From nobody Thu Aug 31 07:47:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9842132E0F; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 07:47:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id peJo_kf4eC-U; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 07:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1514B132E0E; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 07:47:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3587; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1504190860; x=1505400460; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NtWYXJps8qsTPrZLfAj9iTJHJ19DievMtksa6XIfnNI=; b=jlySXvikBVewe+hf+u25fV+WaAuEmG0gxVpRpSfdPggRqb3asXabqKQY bqdrpM5fGYdV+/XaRV+QH1Lvt+hqqkABMeD4494+xIfY2XJqEgrV9FvuQ lGIDU+sMXP5tErqsoXI3LXS6UjZxeEvo5Xnc6Ne1VKlx6CS1q8qFpPpGD o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CRAQArIahZ/xbLJq1eGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBhD6BFY8LkHkilicOggQshRsChEwWAQIBAQEBAQEBayiFGQEFIw8?= =?us-ascii?q?BBUEQCQIYAgImAgJXBgEMCAEBEIodEI96nWaCJ4tIAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBGAWBDYIdg1CBYysLgWWBDYRCARIBgzKCYQWKA5Zsh1uMdoIThWeDWSS?= =?us-ascii?q?Gd41SiHMmCieBAgsyIQgcFYdmPjYBiBmCMgEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.41,453,1498521600"; d="scan'208";a="655332765" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 31 Aug 2017 14:47:35 +0000 Received: from [10.55.221.36] (ams-bclaise-nitro3.cisco.com [10.55.221.36]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v7VElZq2002846; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 14:47:35 GMT To: Stewart Bryant , The IESG Cc: sbanks@encrypted.net, draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw@ietf.org, pals-chairs@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org References: <150417651353.16856.13061585074237827241.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <62c464f7-cfc4-1922-e934-a8a34d85f2cc@gmail.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <4c3f416f-5672-fe5c-cfc2-e0cdbacf2736@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:47:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <62c464f7-cfc4-1922-e934-a8a34d85f2cc@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 14:47:43 -0000 Stewart, Some more sentences with your feedback would improve the draft IMO. Regards, B. > > > On 31/08/2017 11:48, Benoit Claise wrote: >> Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: No Objection >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to >> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Here is Sarah's OPS DIR review. Her Why (Do I care?) comment >> resonates with me: >> I could not find the information. >> >> I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational >> directorate's ongoing >> effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. >> These comments >> were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects of >> the IETF >> drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be included >> in AD >> reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should >> treat >> these comments just like any other last call comments. >> >>          I think the document is almost ready to go. I don't have >> technical >>          issue with the content, but I think the document reads in >> parts like >>          several authors cut/paste/contributed, and the document >> doesn't flow >>          well in spots. Perhaps this is a personal choice, but I >> believe that >>          documents that read with some amount of approachability with >> respect to >>          all interested readers, and not just hard core >>          whatever-the-protocol-is-fanatics, benefits our community >> for the >>          better. Last, maybe it's the product manager in me, and not the >>          development engineer, but why do I care? > > Previously the only way to set up a p2mp PW was static configuration. > This defines how to do > the setup via LDP which is the normal signalling protocol used for PWs. > >>          Is this just to add LDP as >>          another mechanism for establishing the PW? > > It is the first signalled method for a true P2MP PW. > >> Is there some deficit that's >>          being addressed by LDP that existing mechanisms don't solve? > > Yes, this is a signalled method. > >> This isn't >>          addressed in a way that resonates in the document, for me. > >> Last, while >>          super picky, the acronym "PSN" was used in the abstract >> before being >>          properly introduced. This was mostly made more noticeable by >> the fact >>          that the rest of the draft does a fantastic job of >> introducing the >>          terms before using the acronym. > > That is easily fixed and the RFC Editor would normally do it > automatically. For the reader > this would not normally be their first text on the subject and so they > would normally > already be familiar with the term. > > Best regards > > Stewart > >> >> > > . > From nobody Thu Aug 31 19:14:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC8313301C; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jxnsEjlqzaJW; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pg0-x232.google.com (mail-pg0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0ACC2132ED1; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg0-x232.google.com with SMTP id 83so3993096pgb.4; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:14:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lAM+ZCPebbs3fvm65Sqjjr6B51MeWqAv/r5G1KbcwwA=; b=TO/Ts0+hJMgFPs3BxxC6+3swhdPu3/Qv9Fd7BiEByMKNw8Uz3nl6PzLmKjZfy8Qhyc rUoa/XzVvdbYpe63du/xyni3bbj8VaqsX6ZB5H4ZCmZVHcvqflEAT8Cf0ycmhrYVYFOI 0KODIUCZwQtVE0KAdOgX2U3dJTZYcv/KEes+9mfpk+0Vulw1EzGY5gGOuo+9tY1HqZhe RildgGTM2KTWU2DlT1geqTDrm8LxzEYSvC/FVh1qQxeclwJZrTNbm1YSjBHpHiYZ95/Z fTHigViTZAjiX8eyd5LxtMWv6Q0XjH+IfAzanqJFOnDwRrIYhqt+S1Z72Fhv2P4UbzbP YJCg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lAM+ZCPebbs3fvm65Sqjjr6B51MeWqAv/r5G1KbcwwA=; b=f5dS8uflI+UeLvca0nQwgTLM8fzGy5V1rrHoKrbvnB7kajMPGIe7r7lYVW12Ov4bGR JvGGnWBGFYZNMceHBL14m0cUCWHTZx4H+lnimuYiRbs6p4FKgVNjBlkp29zu9LoxRJEe lOqASlDLEkUE/UWoMSVV8x+lSzGMO0XY2J1nDAXVoHCmTPFBVjSfApNMhA3lejU0TmDw 9gpsKi98Q1WlCaYat9q+Ui/LLz8RoeNIWKM0seFVK0rlSmBptTsSzx/CoflQqhFSGmEI CkMkYcYdBRiKsk3wOSkef3/VsqGLXkkOUGJbv1gQ7NqOdn1X/JKzRovnj8g8zAJyKCeq 1Ycw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUibVTgCcsfNQ0xDpPrTGaQmT+k7MX9aiw9ZxkkHbzLx9s4vakjh NIFNkY8BHT7StcPj3FE8OPhHEPc+Qg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADKCNb5yssDHvcekWXtWAMSy21dn1zcKYUKiQ0ov6z5w7pvUf5BR3uy3ENP1hid5gZjxRZcc38aH2oFjor6sfaQdyFM= X-Received: by 10.98.83.196 with SMTP id h187mr508235pfb.319.1504232069580; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:14:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.144.1 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:13:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <233ebf05-b663-2a78-e962-5edf2940e85f@gmail.com> References: <150412137722.21566.9884376358367891967.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <233ebf05-b663-2a78-e962-5edf2940e85f@gmail.com> From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:13:49 -0400 Message-ID: To: Stewart Bryant Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw@ietf.org, pals-chairs@ietf.org, pals@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 02:14:32 -0000 Hi Stewart, Thanks for your response. Inline. On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > > On 30/08/2017 20:29, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: >> >> Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw-03: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-p2mp-pw/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I haven't sen a response to the SecDir review, so please point me to one >> if >> there has been a response. I fully agree with Tero that MD5 is not >> adequate >> and hasn't been for some time. What is the plan to rectify this and >> deprecate >> use of the TCP MD5 signature for LDP? RFC8077, says that LDP MD5 >> authentication >> key option as described in the section 2.9 of RFC5036 MUST be implemented. >> I >> asked on my ballot for RFC8077 when a deprecation process would start in >> support of Stephen's abstain and would like an update on that process. >> >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/secdir/ga2pIVcGw9WEgBX5MXA9MCmSs_s >> >> >> >> > > Hi Kathleen, > > I have proposed some text that tells implementers and operators that MD5 is > inadequate and that they should be prepared for an upgraded default hash for > LDP. I don't think we do any more at this stage. OK, I'll look out for the text. Thanks. > > I have just spoken to Loa, one of the MPLS chairs, and we have agreed to > write a short draft within the next month to start the process of > deprecating MD5 and selecting and standardizing a new default hash for LDP. > We will discuss this draft with the MPLS WG via the MPLS list and at the > next IETF. That is very helpful, thank you. Alvaro mentioned some of the challenges, reminding of past discussions on this topic. Would it be helpful to engage security/crypto folks at routing vendors who would be familiar with the challenges? I'm thinking this could be helpful to get recommendations and a transition plan that takes everything into account that's needed for a successful transition. > > Best Regards > > Stewart > -- Best regards, Kathleen