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(amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HwZyUe0nkLI4; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E89301320DC; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 038BBB816E1; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:04:46 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, drafts-update-ref@iana.org, pals@ietf.org Message-Id: <20170912230446.038BBB816E1@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] RFC 8220 on Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) over Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 23:04:59 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8220 Title: Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) over Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Author: O. Dornon, J. Kotalwar, V. Hemige, R. Qiu, Z. Zhang Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: September 2017 Mailbox: olivier.dornon@nokia.com, jayant.kotalwar@nokia.com, vhemige@gmail.com, ray@mistnet.io, zzhang@juniper.net Pages: 43 Characters: 88663 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-pals-vpls-pim-snooping-06.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8220 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8220 This document describes the procedures and recommendations for Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Provider Edges (PEs) to facilitate replication of multicast traffic to only certain ports (behind which there are interested Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) routers and/or Internet Group Management Protocol (IGMP) hosts) via PIM snooping and proxying. With PIM snooping, PEs passively listen to certain PIM control messages to build control and forwarding states while transparently flooding those messages. With PIM proxying, PEs do not flood PIM Join/Prune messages but only generate their own and send them out of certain ports, based on the control states built from downstream Join/Prune messages. PIM proxying is required when PIM Join suppression is enabled on the Customer Edge (CE) devices and is useful for reducing PIM control traffic in a VPLS domain. This document also describes PIM relay, which can be viewed as lightweight proxying, where all downstream Join/Prune messages are simply forwarded out of certain ports and are not flooded, thereby avoiding the triggering of PIM Join suppression on CE devices. This document is a product of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Working Group of the IETF. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Wed Sep 13 00:35:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2176E132198; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:35:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: pals-chairs@ietf.org, agmalis@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.61.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150528815111.30527.13699559290022018541.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:35:51 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] pals - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 07:35:51 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Andrew G. Malis, a Chair of the pals working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Andrew Malis Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: rtgwg spring opsawg nvo3 detnet mpls ccamp rtgarea sfc netslicing Second Priority: teas l2sm pce People who must be present: Stewart Bryant Andrew G. Malis Matthew Bocci Deborah Brungard David Sinicrope Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please avoid any BOFs in the Routing area. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Sep 18 06:34:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pals@ietf.org Delivered-To: pals@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6534E132C3F; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 06:34:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pals@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.62.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150574168933.15572.5219105877880197938@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 06:34:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pals] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:34:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services WG of the IETF. Title : Use of Ethernet Control Word RECOMMENDED Authors : Stewart Bryant Andrew G Malis Ignas Bagdonas Filename : draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2017-09-18 Abstract: The pseudowire (PW) encapsulation of Ethernet, as defined in RFC4448, specifies that the use of the control word (CW) is optional. In the absence of the CW an Ethernet pseudowire packet can be misidentified as an IP packet by a label switching router (LSR). This in turn may lead to the selection of the wrong equal-cost-multi-path (ECMP) path for the packet, leading in turn to the mis-ordering of packets. This problem has become more serious due to the deployment of equipment with Ethernet MAC addresses that start with 0x4 or 0x6. The use of the Ethernet PW CW addresses this problem. This document recommends the use of the Ethernet pseudowire control word in all but exceptional circumstances. This document updates RFC4448. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j65sm656464wmj.3.2017.09.18.06.40.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Sep 2017 06:40:36 -0700 (PDT) To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , "pals@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" References: <943885F3-3781-46D8-BA6D-3D9B237144B8@nokia.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <042f7bbc-f76e-a6c6-f185-aa114bca6c39@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:40:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <943885F3-3781-46D8-BA6D-3D9B237144B8@nokia.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6A5C840FCE8242860268E37F" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:40:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6A5C840FCE8242860268E37F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just uploaded draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00 with no changes other than the draft name. The biggest problem we have to address is the recommendation for Section 7. When we have that settled I will make any changes needed to improve the consistency of the text around this point. If anyone has suggestions for the text change, that would be welcome. - Stewart On 04/09/2017 14:37, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote: > > WG > > I believe there is rough consensus to adopt this draft as a PALS WG > document. > > Authors: Please upload a new version of the draft with the name > changed to draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00. > > However, there has been some discussion about the recommendations in > Section 7. I think there should be agreement on these before > progressing the draft for WG last call, so I would suggest that the > authors propose some revised text to the list and try to get consensus. > > Regards > > Matthew > > *From: *Pals on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew > (Nokia - GB)" > *Date: *Wednesday, 2 August 2017 at 15:57 > *To: *"pals@ietf.org" > *Cc: *"draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" > > *Subject: *[Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 > > This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group. > > The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors. > > Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list. > > Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an > PALS working group document. > > Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the > draft. > > Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to > this draft? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond > to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > > has been received from each author and each contributor. > > This poll closes on Wednesday, 16^th August 2017. > > Regards > > Matthew > --------------6A5C840FCE8242860268E37F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have just uploaded draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00 with no changes other than the draft name.

The biggest problem we have to address is the recommendation for Section 7. When we have that settled I will make any changes needed to improve the consistency of the text around this point.

If anyone has suggestions for the text change, that would be welcome.

- Stewart


On 04/09/2017 14:37, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote:

WG

 

I believe there is rough consensus to adopt this draft as a PALS WG document.

 

Authors: Please upload a new version of the draft with the name changed to draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00.

 

However, there has been some discussion about the recommendations in Section 7. I think there should be agreement on these before progressing the draft for WG last call, so I would suggest that the authors propose some revised text to the list and try to get consensus.

 

Regards

 

Matthew

 

 

 

 

 

From: Pals <pals-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Wednesday, 2 August 2017 at 15:57
To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" <draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org>
Subject: [Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01

 

This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group.

The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors.

 

Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list.

Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an PALS working group document.

 

Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the draft.

 

Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to this draft?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant

IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response

has been received from each author and each contributor.

 

This poll closes on Wednesday, 16th August 2017.

 

Regards

 

Matthew

 


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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w2sm1433756wrb.67.2017.09.20.02.36.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Sep 2017 02:36:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Stewart Bryant To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , "pals@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" References: <943885F3-3781-46D8-BA6D-3D9B237144B8@nokia.com> <042f7bbc-f76e-a6c6-f185-aa114bca6c39@gmail.com> Message-ID: <98f157b2-6a9a-a038-dfe4-f9fec704f8ed@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:36:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <042f7bbc-f76e-a6c6-f185-aa114bca6c39@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A7C2424679657FEF53B693BF" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:36:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A7C2424679657FEF53B693BF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How about: OLD   To remove this problem in the long term, and hence to reduce the    operational cost of investigating problems associated with the    incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over PWs not using the CW,    it is RECOMMENDED that equipment that does not support the CW be    phased out of operational use. NEW   By phasing out equipment that does not support the use of the CW.   network operators will reduce the operational cost of investigating   problems associated with the incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over   PWs not using the CW. This process will lead to the eventual elimination of this   problem from their network. END Any alternatives? - Stewart On 18/09/2017 14:40, Stewart Bryant wrote: > I have just uploaded draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00 with no changes > other than the draft name. > > The biggest problem we have to address is the recommendation for > Section 7. When we have that settled I will make any changes needed to > improve the consistency of the text around this point. > > If anyone has suggestions for the text change, that would be welcome. > > - Stewart > > > On 04/09/2017 14:37, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote: >> >> WG >> >> I believe there is rough consensus to adopt this draft as a PALS WG >> document. >> >> Authors: Please upload a new version of the draft with the name >> changed to draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00. >> >> However, there has been some discussion about the recommendations in >> Section 7. I think there should be agreement on these before >> progressing the draft for WG last call, so I would suggest that the >> authors propose some revised text to the list and try to get consensus. >> >> Regards >> >> Matthew >> >> *From: *Pals on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew >> (Nokia - GB)" >> *Date: *Wednesday, 2 August 2017 at 15:57 >> *To: *"pals@ietf.org" >> *Cc: *"draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" >> >> *Subject: *[Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for >> draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 >> >> This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of >> draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group. >> >> The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors. >> >> Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list. >> >> Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an >> PALS working group document. >> >> Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the >> draft. >> >> Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to >> this draft? >> >> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >> >> If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond >> to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant >> >> IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The >> document will not advance to the next stage until a response >> >> has been received from each author and each contributor. >> >> This poll closes on Wednesday, 16^th August 2017. >> >> Regards >> >> Matthew >> > --------------A7C2424679657FEF53B693BF Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How about:

OLD
  To remove this problem in the long term, and hence to reduce the
   operational cost of investigating problems associated with the
   incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over PWs not using the CW,
   it is RECOMMENDED that equipment that does not support the CW be
   phased out of operational use.

NEW
  By phasing out equipment that does not support the use of the CW.
  network operators will reduce the operational cost of investigating
  problems associated with the incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over
  PWs not using the CW. This process will lead to the eventual elimination of this
  problem from their network.

END

Any alternatives?

- Stewart

On 18/09/2017 14:40, Stewart Bryant wrote:
I have just uploaded draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00 with no changes other than the draft name.

The biggest problem we have to address is the recommendation for Section 7. When we have that settled I will make any changes needed to improve the consistency of the text around this point.

If anyone has suggestions for the text change, that would be welcome.

- Stewart


On 04/09/2017 14:37, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote:

WG

 

I believe there is rough consensus to adopt this draft as a PALS WG document.

 

Authors: Please upload a new version of the draft with the name changed to draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00.

 

However, there has been some discussion about the recommendations in Section 7. I think there should be agreement on these before progressing the draft for WG last call, so I would suggest that the authors propose some revised text to the list and try to get consensus.

 

Regards

 

Matthew

 

 

 

 

 

From: Pals <pals-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Wednesday, 2 August 2017 at 15:57
To: "pals@ietf.org" <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" <draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org>
Subject: [Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01

 

This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group.

The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors.

 

Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list.

Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an PALS working group document.

 

Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the draft.

 

Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to this draft?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant

IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response

has been received from each author and each contributor.

 

This poll closes on Wednesday, 16th August 2017.

 

Regards

 

Matthew

 



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Malis" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:09:25 -0400 Message-ID: To: Stewart Bryant Cc: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , "pals@ietf.org" , "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1134e7822eaf9105599f8739" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 X-BeenThere: pals@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services dicussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:09:51 -0000 --001a1134e7822eaf9105599f8739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Stewart, The proposed text looks great to me. Thanks, Andy On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 5:36 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > How about: > > OLD > To remove this problem in the long term, and hence to reduce the > operational cost of investigating problems associated with the > incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over PWs not using the CW, > it is RECOMMENDED that equipment that does not support the CW be > phased out of operational use. > > NEW > By phasing out equipment that does not support the use of the CW. > network operators will reduce the operational cost of investigating > problems associated with the incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets > over > PWs not using the CW. This process will lead to the eventual elimination > of this > problem from their network. > > END > > Any alternatives? > > - Stewart > > > On 18/09/2017 14:40, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > I have just uploaded draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00 with no changes other > than the draft name. > > The biggest problem we have to address is the recommendation for Section > 7. When we have that settled I will make any changes needed to improve the > consistency of the text around this point. > > If anyone has suggestions for the text change, that would be welcome. > > - Stewart > > > On 04/09/2017 14:37, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote: > > WG > > > > I believe there is rough consensus to adopt this draft as a PALS WG > document. > > > > Authors: Please upload a new version of the draft with the name changed to > draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00. > > > > However, there has been some discussion about the recommendations in > Section 7. I think there should be agreement on these before progressing > the draft for WG last call, so I would suggest that the authors propose > some revised text to the list and try to get consensus. > > > > Regards > > > > Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > *From: *Pals on behalf of > "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" > > *Date: *Wednesday, 2 August 2017 at 15:57 > *To: *"pals@ietf.org" > *Cc: *"draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" > cw@ietf.org> > *Subject: *[Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 > > > > This email begins a two-week poll for adoption of > draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group. > > The chairs have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors. > > > > Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list. > > Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an PALS > working group document. > > > > Simultaneously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the draft. > > > > Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to this > draft? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see > RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to > this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > > IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > > has been received from each author and each contributor. > > > > This poll closes on Wednesday, 16th August 2017. > > > > Regards > > > > Matthew > > > > > > --001a1134e7822eaf9105599f8739 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stewart,

The proposed text=C2=A0looks great to me.

Thanks,
Andy


On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 5:36 AM, = Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> =20 =20 =20
How about:

OLD
=C2=A0 To remove this problem in the long term, and hence to reduce the=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 operational cost of investigating problems associated with= the
=C2=A0=C2=A0 incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over PWs not usin= g the CW,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 it is RECOMMENDED that equipment that does not support the= CW be
=C2=A0=C2=A0 phased out of operational use.

NEW
=C2=A0 By phasing out equipment that does not support the use of the CW= .
=C2=A0 network operators will reduce the operational cost of investigating
=C2=A0 problems associated with the incorrect forwarding of Ethernet packets over
=C2=A0 PWs not using the CW. This process will lead to the eventual elimination of this
=C2=A0 problem from their network.

END

Any alternatives?

- Stewart


On 18/09/2017 14:40= , Stewart Bryant wrote:
=20 I have just uploaded draft-ietf-pals= -ethernet-cw-00 with no changes other than the draft name.

The biggest problem we have to address is the recommendation for Section 7. When we have that settled I will make any changes needed to improve the consistency of the text around this point.
If anyone has suggestions for the text change, that would be welcome.

- Stewart


On 04/09/2017 14:= 37, Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) wrote:
=20 =20 =20 =20 =20

WG=

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I believe there is rough consensus to adopt this draft as a PALS WG document.

= =C2=A0

Authors: Please upload a new version of the draft with the name changed to draft-ietf-pals-ethernet-cw-00.=

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However, there has been some discussion about the recommendations in Section 7. I think there should be agreement on these before progressing the draft for WG last call, so I would suggest that the authors propose some revised text to the list and try to get consensus.

= =C2=A0

Regards

= =C2=A0

Matthew

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0

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From: Pals <pals-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Date: Wednesday, 2 August 2017 at 15:57
To: "pals@ietf.org= " <pals@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org" <d= raft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw@ietf.org>
Subject: [Pals] Poll for WG adoption and IPR call for draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01

= =C2=A0

This emai= l begins a two-week poll for adoption of draft-bryant-pals-ethernet-cw-01 in the PALS working group.

The chair= s have asked me to run this poll since they are both co-authors.

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and send any comments to the PALS list.

Please also indicate whether you support adoption of the draft as an PALS working group document.

=C2=A0

Simultane= ously, we are also poling for any IPR that may apply to the draft.

=C2=A0

Authors and contributors, are you aware of any IPR that applies to this draft?

If so, ha= s this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If you ar= e listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this email stating of whether or not you are aware of any relevant

IPR. The response needs to be sent to the PALS WG mailing list. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response

has been received from each author and each contributor.=

=C2=A0

This poll closes on Wednesday, 16th August 2017.

=C2=A0

Regards

=C2=A0

Matthew <= /span>

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