From nobody Tue Nov 7 02:59:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998A413FB4F for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 02:59:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dIgq2JrWDl8n for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 02:59:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from gozo.iway.ch (gozo.iway.ch [212.25.24.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73F5C13FB85 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 02:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gozo.iway.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A98340EAB for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:59:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ACF/18338.13966); Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:59:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from switchplus-mail.ch (switchplus-mail.ch [212.25.8.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gozo.iway.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:59:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [195.176.111.8] (account ietf@trammell.ch HELO public-docking-cx-3449.ethz.ch) by switchplus-mail.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.18) with ESMTPSA id 35178448 for panrg@irtf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 11:59:01 +0100 From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3B10A992-EE60-4F5C-9823-9E46A9A69D7D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <67D84592-9180-42FA-9467-A3D25819D1F0@trammell.ch> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:59:02 +0100 To: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [PANRG] Open Questions X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 10:59:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3B10A992-EE60-4F5C-9823-9E46A9A69D7D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, all, I've posted a draft covering what I think the open questions are in = path-aware networking, to set the stage for a discussion at our second = meeting in Singapore: see = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-trammell-panrg-questions-01 For those of you who don't want to sit through a five-page draft, the = questions, abbreviated, are: - how are path properties defined and represented? - how do endpoints get access to trustworthy path properties? - how can endpoints select paths to use for traffic in a way that can be trusted by the network? - how can interfaces to the transport and application layers support the use of path awareness? - how can a path aware network in a path aware internetwork be effectively operated, given control inputs from the network administrator as well as from the endpoints? I'm interested in any feedback anyone has about whether or not these are = the right questions, or whether there's something big missing here. Thanks, cheers, Brian (as individual) --Apple-Mail=_3B10A992-EE60-4F5C-9823-9E46A9A69D7D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEkCTSTp2bIB6fBRHIihK3vwvqRqMFAloBkfYACgkQihK3vwvq RqN9ARAAjPA1KzicHzYh8E9jnT3k3poSiPem5Bo7VlHd2qog9j6jgV+NfycWvF8M Nj/RjZ+xA8nxkEakY3jdqr/Ed0YxOPeHjvbmX39O6Ks6nWyL3B1PAmmXPXgmP/Ss sVUN2CwrpmNLhIaHhaJ9Dy/I1CgN6obrtCMYE1kLLbaTGO21I96cJWLs1Q24yEr4 C4xY/S3aaKtk1z8dLFRqCkBDCqKbFvwkQKSkffE5Mqyv3l/B/QggQCw/xonj9ZEm E2xj4vgRWdj20mO3laevjqF08LgLBpRl030RDNCoOmif008YSMhI5ASe/12mvuX4 J5VZAa4BbLRrEYuQ5SC7R+6wcOGWyAmuwXQbH63YlYMhlMQaosCAEBJ6y3lYHAmD NP9kYRFUj7iLUcq6ZQwn0AdOf07motYCe5Gd7vauTe9AKCM3nB7pbsY/Ai6UgDOd 3dPAbcUi84pL4TzDm0f8SViQSUkwbeY+AP1AEMqN7EefinvKUA7phP+a6kKyGhwh SUiM/hIPpsbOQZ3ew7naQ2jugtzS5hu+hgScJtV17mU2Xui0JbAu3G2Tap/SEI1m 7x0dpM+ogYBz9IGDglty3tzFd3oa+Qizo5b9QEPHB6CIhQ9OzOdnDyKqvfJBWaW1 BnvuKykS85rtrYXty3/nPtOrKzKP8XuTnn9X6U+hSg52zzDw5sA= =i/6F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_3B10A992-EE60-4F5C-9823-9E46A9A69D7D-- From nobody Wed Nov 15 07:42:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3FF1241FC; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:42:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FzvQdIXOBw6Q; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:42:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from anubis.tmit.bme.hu (anubis.tmit.bme.hu [152.66.245.198]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66851200FC; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:42:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by anubis.tmit.bme.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB7A33D4B; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:42:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at tmit.bme.hu Received: from anubis.tmit.bme.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (anubis.tmit.bme.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id di6ltRdokyRi; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:42:35 +0100 (CET) To: panrg@irtf.org, iccrg@irtf.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Zsolt_Kr=c3=a4mer?= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:41:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [PANRG] Paper: Supporting Multi-Domain Congestion Control by a Lightweight PEP X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:42:41 -0000 Hello, I would like to point you to our recently published paper: "Supporting Multi-Domain Congestion Control by a Lightweight PEP", IEEE IINTEC 2017. It is available here: http://hsnlab.tmit.bme.hu/%7Emolnar/files/iintec2017.pdf The paper presents a concept of a lightweight, transport layer performance enhancing proxy. The PEP is placed at the border of two domains with different characteristics (~Internet, ~RAN), and sends safe-to-ignore information to the TCP sender. Multi-domain congestion control could be enabled based on this additional information from the PEP. We are currently working on the congestion control algorithm. Any feedback would be, of course, very welcome. 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This note is at least partially so people can find me. What I'd suggest, is that I start with a couple of projects that I worked on, and see what kind of template makes sense. If you can suggest path aware projects that should be included, please drop me an email with the name of the project. I'll circle back when I know what to ask about that project. "Thanks in advance" Spencer, as co-chair for TRIGTRAN --94eb2c0a81b2bc0189055e136203 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear PANRG,

= I just volunteered=C2=A0 to start the draft on failed proposals for path aw= areness, so that we make it easy for people to learn from experience.=C2=A0=

This note is at least p= artially so people can find me.

What I'd suggest, is that I start with a couple of projects t= hat I worked on, and see what kind of template makes sense.

If you can suggest path aware project= s that should be included, please drop me an email with the name of the pro= ject. I'll circle back when I know what to ask about that project.

"Thanks in advance"= ;

Spencer, as co-chair f= or TRIGTRAN
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AGs4zMYofKI1+zNu5tQYUeyI2eVTXH84diyUCeVue/e3zUlsklaHfVONy6iCp4E397qGR0qD8bccjQ3lngUZdG2kS5E= X-Received: by 10.129.121.17 with SMTP id u17mr465256ywc.342.1510821914272; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 00:45:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.135.75 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 00:45:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:45:13 +0800 Message-ID: To: "Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)" Cc: "panrg@irtf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0a81b284eaeb055e15a3bc" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [PANRG] PANRG draft on "dont-do-this" X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 08:45:18 -0000 --94eb2c0a81b284eaeb055e15a3bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) < michael.scharf@nokia.com> wrote: > One document in this space is the experimental RFC 4782 (=E2=80=9CQuickSt= art for > TCP and IP=E2=80=9D). > Thank you for this. > We had a Linux TCP/IP and a network processor based router implementation > (see e.g., http://www.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de/Content/Publications/ > Archive/Sf_PFLDnet2008_36632.pdf) , and in addition some other research > groups have looked at QuickStart ten years ago. But I am not really aware > of any real adoption. > That last line is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'm looking for :-) Spencer > Michael > > > > > > > > *From:* Panrg [mailto:panrg-bounces@irtf.org] *On Behalf Of *Spencer > Dawkins at IETF > *Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2017 7:04 AM > *To:* panrg@irtf.org > *Subject:* [PANRG] PANRG draft on "dont-do-this" > > > > Dear PANRG, > > > > I just volunteered to start the draft on failed proposals for path > awareness, so that we make it easy for people to learn from experience. > > > > This note is at least partially so people can find me. > > > > What I'd suggest, is that I start with a couple of projects that I worked > on, and see what kind of template makes sense. > > > > If you can suggest path aware projects that should be included, please > drop me an email with the name of the project. I'll circle back when I kn= ow > what to ask about that project. > > > > "Thanks in advance" > > > > Spencer, as co-chair for TRIGTRAN > --94eb2c0a81b284eaeb055e15a3bc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= hu, Nov 16, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <michael.scharf@nokia.com> wrote:

One document in this space is the experimental RFC 4= 782 (=E2=80= =9CQuickStart for TCP and IP=E2=80=9D).

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Thank you for this.
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We had a Linux TCP/IP and a network processor based = router implementation (see e.g., http://www.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de/Content/Publications/Archive/Sf_P= FLDnet2008_36632.pdf) , and in addition some other research groups= have looked at QuickStart ten years ago. But I am not really aware of any = real adoption.


That last li= ne is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'm looking for :-)

Spencer
=C2=A0

Michael

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=C2=A0

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From: Panrg [mailto:panrg-bounces@irtf.org] On B= ehalf Of Spencer Dawkins at IETF
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 7:04 AM
To: panrg@irtf.o= rg
Subject: [PANRG] PANRG draft on "dont-do-this"

=C2=A0

Dear PANRG,

=C2=A0

I just volunteered=C2=A0 to start the draft on faile= d proposals for path awareness, so that we make it easy for people to learn= from experience.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

This note is at least partially so people can find m= e.

=C2=A0

What I'd suggest, is that I start with a couple = of projects that I worked on, and see what kind of template makes sense.=

=C2=A0

If you can suggest path aware projects that should b= e included, please drop me an email with the name of the project. I'll = circle back when I know what to ask about that project.

=C2=A0

"Thanks in advance"

=C2=A0

Spencer, as co-chair for TRIGTRAN


--94eb2c0a81b284eaeb055e15a3bc-- From nobody Thu Nov 16 01:43:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: panrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31E3126C2F for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 01:43:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bLXLhFn1XvVi for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 01:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail01.asahi-net.or.jp (mail01.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.55.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC56127275 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 01:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-8135.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-8135.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.129.53]) (Authenticated sender: JC2K-KBYS) by mail01.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE5A4D76F; Thu, 16 Nov 2017 18:43:41 +0900 (JST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.7\)) From: Katsushi Kobayashi In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 17:45:53 +0800 Cc: panrg@irtf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [PANRG] PANRG draft on "dont-do-this" X-BeenThere: panrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Path Aware Networking \(Proposed\) Research Group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 09:43:45 -0000 Hi,=20 Couple of projects exploring path, or link, aware mechanism that I = worked on are: 1. K. Nakauchi and K. Kobayashi. An explicit router feedback framework = for high bandwidth-delay product networks. Comput. Netw., 51, May 2007. 2. D. Mochinaga, et al,"i-Path: Improving Path Visibility for the Future = Internet=E2=80=9D , 12th IEEE/IPSJ International Symposium on Applications and the Internet, = July, 2012 In the later project, i-Path, we explored not only to improve transport = performance, but also applications to take advantage of path information. While we = also implemented L3.5 stack on three OS platforms, FreeBSD, Linux, MacOSX, any career and = vendor was not interested in, unfortunately.=20 --- Katsushi Kobayashi > 2017/11/16 =E5=8D=88=E5=BE=8C2:03=E3=80=81Spencer Dawkins at IETF = =E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB: >=20 > Dear PANRG, >=20 > I just volunteered to start the draft on failed proposals for path = awareness, so that we make it easy for people to learn from experience.=20= >=20 > This note is at least partially so people can find me. >=20 > What I'd suggest, is that I start with a couple of projects that I = worked on, and see what kind of template makes sense. >=20 > If you can suggest path aware projects that should be included, please = drop me an email with the name of the project. I'll circle back when I = know what to ask about that project. >=20 > "Thanks in advance" >=20 > Spencer, as co-chair for TRIGTRAN > _______________________________________________ > Panrg mailing list > Panrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/panrg