From vchen@google.com Sat Feb 1 11:27:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97E91A05E9 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2014 11:27:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.913 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.913 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.535, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oRKzGNWqQyr6 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2014 11:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com (mail-ob0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D531A05DE for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2014 11:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id va2so6248518obc.26 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 11:27:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vd2LNP1bmsF4NgUthb6KIPv6FGjyuL3/F7XuQo+AC1c=; b=GfF5Ekgs4V/I1kZHYXn81hphirpt+72p6wkdRYUxnVFnLVyEuUt5Mjm+zTapPuIynV F1/3LwE+Wh844nOquI52IeboyJvV29bN5vWn5pBhuM09Rg7Xlm3Wl+qp71AwUqZBvYWF JR3OOyBr3C4bZBwf2V+k05M65xIFrLdWy75M9vyZFDMMKN/lKxjl6CHs2tgg0FwNh/Tt 2fQS3abQSRPcJX3hGKBpGamgBGR6EB90FbkHQeiajjfiC3Al7sSOLf4IA+3b/GQoYgCm FkmOUdZsroWakNvX5J49/tV0QPD23I8r7w8YrTAmMd20A9huVJvo+1tuK5fv/tuQ7AA8 eEjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vd2LNP1bmsF4NgUthb6KIPv6FGjyuL3/F7XuQo+AC1c=; b=OSWRmo7YKIdth8mAGaYSN0IO/N6A46fEl1qx+AvHA09ZKCLTfqvg6JJW0GP0rLC9lj OEffPG3pC2VITV/8Gci80rl6YNZF9+BiCXqlpIAg0ZFyOs/Mbpqee8PCcHsIxIu1icgb ljBZQsQzUELGvLIfm/DX3FpnHhHrGpZiQzk6AQ+Efl4qisN0KZLqFmR9jj5uiQOvAuIO YYRbzsoqGZJheVKb2ON46wF9y0CJaO9vphKhMZN64+u9TnFy9PFbBcrdMjdfBgWFHbGa z6OEerMtXPybjUAe+i5IsJ7sb+49EI4bSUyo1amQBiDcJMF26i+/pyRVYGjo9RD2sOr+ vyuw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmKM8XSCexlv2hXpZcIvRVqklXdhw0aST8EWrC1sI/PaT6MUFsQ5WV/YLcdJmG0i+3K6UH/CeXVT1SeAcTango92irmg/wJETX3DXBiZ3ESne7ISDBUH1Ae3gk33+8Aj0suyrRHD6/GkOTukyVaBZlC3ZxjbDI8hd16CghqmOSOEZHgbg6FtTfTkJ/s4Hpc/UHBtO6k MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.227.168 with SMTP id sb8mr1346556oec.10.1391282837746; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 11:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.45.166 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Feb 2014 11:27:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 11:27:17 -0800 Message-ID: From: Vincent Chen To: iana-questions@iana.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1136bd70538e0e04f15d4793 Cc: "paws@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [paws] [IANA #741770] Advice on proper style in draft-ietf-paws-protocol X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 19:27:25 -0000 --001a1136bd70538e0e04f15d4793 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Amanda, Thanks very much for the detailed recommendations and examples. One more question: The IANA registries, when published, are in tabular form. Does that mean we should also present it in tabular form in the RFC? Thanks. -vince On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Amanda Baber via RT < iana-questions@iana.org> wrote: > Hi, > > Looking at the IANA Considerations section, the sections on registration > procedures and templates look fine, but I'm not sure what is and isn't > supposed to appear in the registry. This is what I'm wondering: > > 1) Right now there's nothing telling us whether we're using every field in > the template. It would be good to see a short paragraph, maybe just a > sentence, at the end of each "Initial Registry Contents" section, that > lists the fields in the registry (even if it's just confirming that we're > using all of them). > > If you want a field included in the template but not in the registration, > you might add a short paragraph like this, with or without the last > sentence: "The XXXX registry will include the following fields: 'X', 'Y', > and 'Z'. IANA will post each registration template that is not included in > the text of an RFC." > > We could also post all RFC-based templates, or no templates at all. > > See http://www.iana.org/assignments/dns-parameters and > http://www.iana.org/assignments/xml-registry for examples of > template-posting. > > 2) Table 1, the source for the Error Codes registry, doesn't include the > "Additional Parameters" field from the template. Should that field be left > out of the registry, or does the table need to be expanded? > > 3) Should the key that describes -100s, -200s, and -300s be included in > the registry as a note? (If so, this instruction should probably be > included in the IANA Considerations section.) > > 4) If any other registries include a "Value" or "Code" field, please note > the maximum value of the available range, and note whether the value "0" is > "Unassigned" (available for assignment) or "Reserved" (unavailable). > > 5) Each of the registrations in section 9.1.2 has a heading that isn't > part of the template: "FCC ID," "FCC Device Type," etc. Should these be > included in the registry? If so, a line for "description" (or a better > term) needs to be added to the registration template. If not, it might be > better to number these headings. > > Finally, I have a few questions about formatting The PAWS Ruleset ID > registry. > > 1) This is divided into two sections in the document. Should it be > presented as two separate registries, or reflected in the registry somehow? > > 2) Will the "Additional message parameters" field be included in the > registry? If not, that needs to be noted, but if so, there are a couple of > ways I can think of to present it there. One is to use the format the IPFIX > Information Elements registry uses for its Description field (scroll down > to value 6 or so): > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipfix > > The other approach I can think of is the one the "Header Field Parameters > and Parameter Values" registry takes at > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/sip-parameters > > In this case, you would need to break the registrations up into one > Additional message parameter for each Ruleset ID. That is, one registration > for "ETSI-EN-301-598-1.0.0-draft" with "manufacturerId: Specifies a > device's manufacturer's identifier. It is a REQUIRED parameter in > DeviceDescriptor (Section 5.2).," one registration for > "ETSI-EN-301-598-1.0.0-draft" with "modelId: Specifies a device's model > identifier. It is a REQUIRED parameter in DeviceDescriptor (Section 5.2), > " etc. > > thanks, > Amanda > > On Tue Jan 28 02:54:56 2014, vchen@google.com wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Link: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-paws-protocol-08.txt > > > > We're in the process of finalizing the draft and would like some advice > on > > the formatting of the > > "9. IANA Considerations" section (modeled after > > RFC6749 > > ) > > > > It defines 3 registries and each follows the format: > > - Defines creation of registry with process of updating it > > - Defines Registration Template > > - Defines initial contents of the registry > > > > Is this acceptable? or should it be in a tabular format? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- -vince --001a1136bd70538e0e04f15d4793 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Amanda,

Thanks very much for the detail= ed recommendations and examples.

One more question= :=C2=A0

The IANA registries, when published, are i= n tabular form. Does that mean
we should also present it in tabular form in the RFC?

Thanks.

-vince


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 6:18= PM, Amanda Baber via RT <iana-questions@iana.org> wro= te:
Hi,

Looking at the IANA Considerations section, the sections on registration pr= ocedures and templates look fine, but I'm not sure what is and isn'= t supposed to appear in the registry. This is what I'm wondering:

1) Right now there's nothing telling us whether we're using every f= ield in the template. It would be good to see a short paragraph, maybe just= a sentence, at the end of each "Initial Registry Contents" secti= on, that lists the fields in the registry (even if it's just confirming= that we're using all of them).

If you want a field included in the template but not in the registration, y= ou might add a short paragraph like this, with or without the last sentence= : "The XXXX registry will include the following fields: 'X', &= #39;Y', and 'Z'. IANA will post each registration template that= is not included in the text of an RFC."

We could also post all RFC-based templates, or no templates at all.

See http://www.iana.org/assignments/dns-parameters and http://www.ian= a.org/assignments/xml-registry for examples of template-posting.

2) Table 1, the source for the Error Codes registry, doesn't include th= e "Additional Parameters" field from the template. Should that fi= eld be left out of the registry, or does the table need to be expanded?

3) Should the key that describes -100s, -200s, and -300s be included in the= registry as a note? (If so, this instruction should probably be included i= n the IANA Considerations section.)

4) If any other registries include a "Value" or "Code" = field, please note the maximum value of the available range, and note wheth= er the value "0" is "Unassigned" (available for assignm= ent) or "Reserved" (unavailable).

5) Each of the registrations in section 9.1.2 has a heading that isn't = part of the template: "FCC ID," "FCC Device Type," etc.= Should these be included in the registry? If so, a line for "descript= ion" (or a better term) needs to be added to the registration template= . If not, it might be better to number these headings.

Finally, I have a few questions about formatting The PAWS Ruleset ID regist= ry.

1) This is divided into two sections in the document. Should it be presente= d as two separate registries, or reflected in the registry somehow?

2) Will the "Additional message parameters" field be included in = the registry? If not, that needs to be noted, but if so, there are a couple= of ways I can think of to present it there. One is to use the format the I= PFIX Information Elements registry uses for its Description field (scroll d= own to value 6 or so):

http://= www.iana.org/assignments/ipfix

The other approach I can think of is the one the "Header Field Paramet= ers and Parameter Values" registry takes at

http://www.iana.org/assignments/sip-parameters

In this case, you would need to break the registrations up into one Additio= nal message parameter for each Ruleset ID. That is, one registration for &q= uot;ETSI-EN-301-598-1.0.0-draft" with "manufacturerId: =C2=A0Spec= ifies a device's manufacturer's identifier. It is a REQUIRED parame= ter in DeviceDescriptor (Section 5.2).," one registration for "ET= SI-EN-301-598-1.0.0-draft" with "modelId: =C2=A0Specifies a devic= e's model identifier. =C2=A0It is a REQUIRED parameter in DeviceDescrip= tor (Section 5.2), " etc.

thanks,
Amanda

On Tue Jan 28 02:54:56 2014, vchen@goog= le.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Link: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-paws-protocol-08.txt=
>
> We're in the process of finalizing the draft and would like some a= dvice on
> the formatting of the
> "9. IANA Considerations" section (modeled after
> RFC6749<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749>
> )
>
> It defines 3 registries and each follows the format:
> =C2=A0- Defines creation of registry with process of updating it
> =C2=A0- Defines Registration Template
> =C2=A0- Defines initial contents of the registry
>
> Is this acceptable? or should it be in a tabular format?
>
> Thanks.
>






--
= -vince
--001a1136bd70538e0e04f15d4793-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Feb 3 19:56:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4661A033C; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:56:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bzWnHNFevpzU; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:56:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC581A033F; Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:56:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.0.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140204035619.21007.23704.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:56:19 -0800 Cc: paws@ietf.org Subject: [paws] I-D Action: draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10.txt X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 03:56:21 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Protocol to Access WS database Working Group of the IETF. Title : Protocol to Access White-Space (PAWS) Databases Authors : Vincent Chen Subir Das Lei Zhu John Malyar Peter J. McCann Filename : draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10.txt Pages : 108 Date : 2014-02-03 Abstract: Portions of the radio spectrum that are allocated to licensees are available for non-interfering use. This available spectrum is called "White Space." Allowing secondary users access to available spectrum "unlocks" existing spectrum to maximize its utilization and to provide opportunities for innovation, resulting in greater overall spectrum utilization. One approach to manage spectrum sharing uses databases to report spectrum availability to devices. To achieve interoperability among multiple devices and databases, a standardized protocol must be defined and implemented. This document defines such a protocol, the "Protocol to Access White Space (PAWS) Databases". The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-paws-protocol/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Diffs can be found at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-paws-protocol-09&url2=draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10 Thanks. -vince On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:56 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Protocol to Access WS database Working > Group of the IETF. > > Title : Protocol to Access White-Space (PAWS) Databases > Authors : Vincent Chen > Subir Das > Lei Zhu > John Malyar > Peter J. McCann > Filename : draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10.txt > Pages : 108 > Date : 2014-02-03 > > Abstract: > Portions of the radio spectrum that are allocated to licensees are > available for non-interfering use. This available spectrum is called > "White Space." Allowing secondary users access to available spectrum > "unlocks" existing spectrum to maximize its utilization and to > provide opportunities for innovation, resulting in greater overall > spectrum utilization. > > One approach to manage spectrum sharing uses databases to report > spectrum availability to devices. To achieve interoperability among > multiple devices and databases, a standardized protocol must be > defined and implemented. This document defines such a protocol, the > "Protocol to Access White Space (PAWS) Databases". > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-paws-protocol/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > paws mailing list > paws@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/paws > -- -vince --bcaec5396c16edae8904f18caddd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gabor, All,

I've uploaded a new ver= sion that updates the formatting of the
IANA sections, per recomm= endations from IANA.

Diffs can be found at:=C2=A0<= a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddraft-ietf-paws-protocol-09&am= p;url2=3Ddraft-ietf-paws-protocol-10">http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddr= aft-ietf-paws-protocol-09&url2=3Ddraft-ietf-paws-protocol-10

Thanks.

-vince


On Mon, Feb 3, 20= 14 at 7:56 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the Protocol to Access WS database Worki= ng Group of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Prot= ocol to Access White-Space (PAWS) Databases
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Vincent C= hen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Subir Das
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Lei Zhu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 John Malyar
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Portions of the radio spectrum that are allocated to licensees= are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0available for non-interfering use. =C2=A0This available spectr= um is called
=C2=A0 =C2=A0"White Space." =C2=A0Allowing secondary users access= to available spectrum
=C2=A0 =C2=A0"unlocks" existing spectrum to maximize its utilizat= ion and to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0provide opportunities for innovation, resulting in greater ove= rall
=C2=A0 =C2=A0spectrum utilization.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0One approach to manage spectrum sharing uses databases to repo= rt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0spectrum availability to devices. =C2=A0To achieve interoperab= ility among
=C2=A0 =C2=A0multiple devices and databases, a standardized protocol must b= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0defined and implemented. =C2=A0This document defines such a pr= otocol, the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0"Protocol to Access White Space (PAWS) Databases".

The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-paws-protocol/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-paws-protoc= ol-10


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<20140204035619.21007.23704.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <1ECAFF543A2FED4EA2BEB6CACE08E4760544CEDF@008-AM1MPN1-006.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 09:29:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: Don Joslyn To: Gabor.Bajko@nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c133decb6ae704f1a99471 Cc: paws@ietf.org Subject: Re: [paws] I-D Action: draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10.txt X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 14:29:21 -0000 --001a11c133decb6ae704f1a99471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Congratulations, good to see this moving forward. Vince, thank you for your tireless work managing the many updates. Regards, Don On Feb 3, 2014 11:22 PM, wrote: > Ok, good. I believe the wg is done with this document, I'll do the > write-up tomorrow and send it to iesg for review. > > Thanks Vince and others who contributed, commented and reviewed this > document. > > > > Gabor > > > > *From:* paws [mailto:paws-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *ext Vincent > Chen > *Sent:* Monday, February 03, 2014 8:00 PM > *To:* paws@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [paws] I-D Action: draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10.txt > > > > Gabor, All, > > > > I've uploaded a new version that updates the formatting of the > > IANA sections, per recommendations from IANA. > > > > Diffs can be found at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-paws-protocol-09&url2=draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10 > > > > Thanks. > > > > -vince > > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:56 PM, wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Protocol to Access WS database Working > Group of the IETF. > > Title : Protocol to Access White-Space (PAWS) Databases > Authors : Vincent Chen > Subir Das > Lei Zhu > John Malyar > Peter J. McCann > Filename : draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10.txt > Pages : 108 > Date : 2014-02-03 > > Abstract: > Portions of the radio spectrum that are allocated to licensees are > available for non-interfering use. This available spectrum is called > "White Space." Allowing secondary users access to available spectrum > "unlocks" existing spectrum to maximize its utilization and to > provide opportunities for innovation, resulting in greater overall > spectrum utilization. > > One approach to manage spectrum sharing uses databases to report > spectrum availability to devices. To achieve interoperability among > multiple devices and databases, a standardized protocol must be > defined and implemented. This document defines such a protocol, the > "Protocol to Access White Space (PAWS) Databases". > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-paws-protocol/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > paws mailing list > paws@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/paws > > > > > > -- > -vince > > _______________________________________________ > paws mailing list > paws@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/paws > > --001a11c133decb6ae704f1a99471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Congratulations, good to see this moving forward. Vince, tha= nk you for your tireless work managing the many updates.
Regards,
Don

On Feb 3, 2014 11:22 PM, <Gabor.Bajko@nokia.com> wrote:

Ok, good. I believe the w= g is done with this document, I’ll do the write-up tomorrow and send = it to iesg for review.

Thanks Vince and others w= ho contributed, commented and reviewed this document.<= /p>

 

Gabor

 

From: paws [mailto:paws-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Vincent Chen
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 8:00 PM
To: paws@ietf.org=
Subject: Re: [paws] I-D Action: draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10.txt

 

Gabor, All,

 

I've uploaded a new version that updates the for= matting of the

IANA sections, per recommendations from IANA.=

 

 

Thanks.

 

-vince

 <= /p>

On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:56 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org&= gt; wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
 This draft is a work item of the Protocol to Access WS database Worki= ng Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Prot= ocol to Access White-Space (PAWS) Databases
        Authors         : Vincent C= hen
                     = ;     Subir Das
                     = ;     Lei Zhu
                     = ;     John Malyar
                     = ;     Peter J. McCann
        Filename        : draft-iet= f-paws-protocol-10.txt
        Pages           : 108<= br>         Date            := 2014-02-03

Abstract:
   Portions of the radio spectrum that are allocated to licensees= are
   available for non-interfering use.  This available spectr= um is called
   "White Space."  Allowing secondary users access= to available spectrum
   "unlocks" existing spectrum to maximize its utilizat= ion and to
   provide opportunities for innovation, resulting in greater ove= rall
   spectrum utilization.

   One approach to manage spectrum sharing uses databases to repo= rt
   spectrum availability to devices.  To achieve interoperab= ility among
   multiple devices and databases, a standardized protocol must b= e
   defined and implemented.  This document defines such a pr= otocol, the
   "Protocol to Access White Space (PAWS) Databases".

The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-paws-protocol/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-paws-protocol-10

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-paws-protoc= ol-10


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp= .ietf.org/internet-drafts/

_______________________________________________
paws mailing list
paws@ietf.org
ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/paws



 

--
-vince


_______________________________________________
paws mailing list
paws@ietf.org
ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/paws

--001a11c133decb6ae704f1a99471-- From weixinpeng@huawei.com Thu Feb 6 18:34:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99AA1A05A7 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:34:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.735 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.735 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.535, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IcVFxU2wn0XX for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357D61A05A3 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BAW26763; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 02:34:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 02:33:34 +0000 Received: from NKGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.32) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 02:34:17 +0000 Received: from NKGEML507-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.27]) by nkgeml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:34:07 +0800 From: Weixinpeng To: "paws@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: A new version of draft on database discovery. Thread-Index: Ac8Nq0jures1lY6PSOOFMRQ+0xUsxQWASIzQ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 02:34:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.76.176] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B46D7E8FC9nkgeml507mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: Peter McCann , "br@brianrosen.net" Subject: Re: [paws] A new version of draft on database discovery. X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 02:34:24 -0000 --_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B46D7E8FC9nkgeml507mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, The IETF89 meeting is coming, maybe we could get some conclusion of PAWS da= tabase discovery. So if you have any considerations on this topic please give us your opinion= and let's promote the work together. Best Regards, Xinpeng Wei From: paws [mailto:paws-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Weixinpeng Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 10:26 AM To: paws@ietf.org Cc: Peter McCann; br@brianrosen.net Subject: [paws] A new version of draft on database discovery. Hi all, A new version of draft on PAWS database discovery has been submitted. I hav= e revised the draft according to the discussion of last IETF meeting. This new draft mainly focuses on the discussion of business models of datab= ase discovery, and several independent solutions are discussed here, I think it's better for us to reach some kind of consensus before we go fur= ther for deep detailed mechanisms. I hope we can promote database discovery mechanism together, and your comme= nts will be very important for us to go in the right direction. PS: If you would like to contribute more to database discovery, you can con= tact me, and we can do the work together. Best Regards, Xinpeng Name: draft-wei-paws-database-discovery Revision: 03 Title: PAWS Database Discovery Document date: 2014-01-09 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 12 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wei-paws-database= -discovery-03.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wei-paws-database-di= scovery/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wei-paws-database-discover= y-03 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wei-paws-database-= discovery-03 Abstract: This document provides a Database Discovery mechanism for PAWS. By this mechanism the master device gets the available WSDBs it can communicate. --_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B46D7E8FC9nkgeml507mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,=

The IET= F89 meeting is coming, maybe we could get some conclusion of PAWS database = discovery.

So if y= ou have any considerations on this topic please give us your opinion and le= t’s promote the work together.

&n= bsp;

Best Re= gards,

Xinpeng= Wei

&n= bsp;

From: paws [mailto= :paws-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Weixinpeng
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 10:26 AM
To: paws@ietf.org
Cc: Peter McCann; br@brianrosen.net
Subject: [paws] A new version of draft on database discovery.

 

Hi all,

A new version of draft on PAWS = database discovery has been submitted. I have revised the draft according t= o the discussion of last IETF meeting.

This new draft mainly focuses o= n the discussion of business models of database discovery, and several inde= pendent solutions are discussed here,

I think it’s better for u= s to reach some kind of consensus before we go further for deep detailed me= chanisms.

 

I hope we can promote database = discovery mechanism together, and your comments will be very important for = us to go in the right direction.  

PS: If you would like to contri= bute more to database discovery, you can contact me, and we can do the work= together.

 

Best Regards,=

Xinpeng

 

Name:    &n= bsp;          draft-wei-paws-d= atabase-discovery

Revision:  03

Title:    &= nbsp;           &nbs= p; PAWS Database Discovery

Document date:   = ;    2014-01-09

Group:    &= nbsp;          Individual Subm= ission

Pages:    &= nbsp;          12

URL:    &nb= sp;       http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wei-paws-database-discovery-03.tx= t

Status:    =      https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wei-paws-database-discovery/

Htmlized:   &nbs= p;   http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wei-paws-database-discovery-03

Diff:    &n= bsp;      http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wei-paws-database-discovery-03=

 

Abstract:

   This document prov= ides a Database Discovery mechanism for PAWS.  By

   this mechanism the= master device gets the available WSDBs it can

   communicate.<= /o:p>

--_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B46D7E8FC9nkgeml507mbxchi_-- From Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz Fri Feb 7 07:43:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BE11AC440 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:43:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-_gDkIMJMce for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from neustar.com (mx2.neustar.com [156.154.25.104]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D9D1A03CC for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from stntexhc12.cis.neustar.com (unknown [10.31.58.71]) by chihiron1.nc.neustar.com with smtp (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) id 0ad7_54bb_04f109d8_c4f8_4c6d_9e6c_7aa9506b242d; Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:43:57 -0500 Received: from STNTEXMB10.cis.neustar.com ([169.254.5.252]) by stntexhc12.cis.neustar.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:43:55 -0500 From: "Rosen, Brian" To: "paws@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Agenda Requests Thread-Index: AQHPJBtouVVorGCCbkCYbgsKRIxvkA== Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 15:43:55 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.5.130515 x-originating-ip: [10.33.193.26] x-ems-proccessed: R64IxjzeHPwwd+efoj3ZcA== x-ems-stamp: riEpIdGaEjpYvhNOIUWqnA== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CF1A696948254brianrosenneustarbiz_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [paws] Agenda Requests X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:43:59 -0000 --_000_CF1A696948254brianrosenneustarbiz_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We will have a meeting in London. Please send agenda requests. Brian --_000_CF1A696948254brianrosenneustarbiz_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We will have a meeting in London.  Please send agenda requests.

Brian
--_000_CF1A696948254brianrosenneustarbiz_-- From nobody Wed Feb 26 10:13:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14EB1A07E1 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:13:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wUorTe0KAHmn for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com [195.245.230.165]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6D51A07AE for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [85.158.137.83:60759] by server-5.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 95/83-04712-9AE2E035; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:12:57 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Cesar.Gutierrez@ofcom.org.uk X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-140.messagelabs.com!1393438376!25237386!1 X-Originating-IP: [194.33.160.63] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 19920 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2014 18:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO WOK-INTRA-EDG01.intra.ofcom.local) (194.33.160.63) by server-9.tower-140.messagelabs.com with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 26 Feb 2014 18:12:57 -0000 Received: from WOK-INTRA-EXC01.intra.ofcom.local (10.130.130.67) by WOK-INTRA-EDG01.intra.ofcom.local (10.130.239.19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.136.1; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:12:56 +0000 Received: from WOK-INTRA-EXC02.intra.ofcom.local ([fe80::550e:933d:224e:6a19]) by WOK-INTRA-EXC01.intra.ofcom.local ([fe80::f0b6:2506:a722:c58b%14]) with mapi id 14.03.0136.001; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:12:56 +0000 From: Cesar Gutierrez To: "paws@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Revised ETSI standard Thread-Index: Ac8zHirAs+k5bdpqR2WDG2AKa+qGPw== Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:12:57 +0000 Message-ID: <5D3E853BEE49C848BB63047C794C8655B3CE574E@WOK-INTRA-EXC02.intra.ofcom.local> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.130.131.249] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5D3E853BEE49C848BB63047C794C8655B3CE574EWOKINTRAEXC02in_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/paws/tRicJoWboanJk089c06oIcsEv5Q Subject: [paws] Revised ETSI standard X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:13:33 -0000 --_000_5D3E853BEE49C848BB63047C794C8655B3CE574EWOKINTRAEXC02in_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, There is a new version available of ETSI EN 301 598 (this is the standard t= hat lays out the requirements for operation in Europe). Most of the changes= relate to RF requirements, but there is also an additional information ele= ment that the database will have to communicate to the Master device. This = element indicates whether simultaneous transmission over multiple channels = must be restricted in power, and it can take the values of 0 and 1. EN 301 598 v1.0.9 can be found here: http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301598/01.00.09_30/en_301= 598v010009v.pdf and the addition I am referring to is described in section 4.2.3.4 and in = table 4. Is it still possible to incorporate this new information element to the PAW= S specification? Thanks and regards, Cesar ________________________________ ***************************************************************************= *************************************** For more information visit www.ofcom.org.uk This email (and any attachments) is confidential and intended for the use o= f the addressee only. If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of th= e message and delete it from your system. This email has been scanned for viruses. However, you open any attachments = at your own risk. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and = do not represent the views or opinions of Ofcom unless expressly stated oth= erwise. ***************************************************************************= *************************************** --_000_5D3E853BEE49C848BB63047C794C8655B3CE574EWOKINTRAEXC02in_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,

 

There is a new version available of ETSI EN 301 598 = (this is the standard that lays out the requirements for operation in Europ= e). Most of the changes relate to RF requirements, but there is also an add= itional information element that the database will have to communicate to the Master device. This element indic= ates whether simultaneous transmission over multiple channels must be restr= icted in power, and it can take the values of 0 and 1.

 

EN 301 598 v1.0.9 can be found here:

http://www.etsi.org/deli= ver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301598/01.00.09_30/en_301598v010009v.pdf

 and the addition I am referring to is describe= d in section 4.2.3.4 and in table 4.

 

Is it still possible to incorporate this new informa= tion element to the PAWS specification?

 

Thanks and regards,

Cesar

 



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 --_000_5D3E853BEE49C848BB63047C794C8655B3CE574EWOKINTRAEXC02in_-- From nobody Wed Feb 26 11:40:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE641A0117 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:40:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pqKpUoEKbT48 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sabertooth01.qualcomm.com (sabertooth01.qualcomm.com [65.197.215.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C1B1A0118 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:40:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qti.qualcomm.com; i=@qti.qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1393443612; x=1424979612; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to; bh=R4lLCATLLrrU1s1yNQMHCfQ6wC0cCYPGx0ZFfgbSRvU=; b=Dn2F6igME4xTV4r33QLQpQSwDwirGLi2C2ZARZjcWcgCjhyFzb1vWaip DV1mq5dYj0m81eaawGoscbYNqR39RM1dwMPbeDyeexQZnZkGoCZ9SIzbR ct7Iohz8M+/IUFqABUObWWtKKKcE1VMrxuNJn2Rt+GxVAxIHJuMG+iAUL A=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,7361"; a="59820574" Received: from ironmsg02-lv.qualcomm.com ([10.47.202.183]) by sabertooth01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2014 11:40:12 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="4.97,549,1389772800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="27443740" Received: from nasanexhc08.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.7]) by ironmsg02-lv.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 26 Feb 2014 11:40:12 -0800 Received: from presnick-mac.local (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:40:11 -0800 Message-ID: <530E4315.2090204@qti.qualcomm.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:40:05 -0600 From: Pete Resnick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100630 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rosen, Brian" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030305080703090406030101" X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/paws/QUx6-yjUMEEaoXTumjyViNK7TYA Cc: "paws@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [paws] Agenda Requests X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:40:19 -0000 --------------030305080703090406030101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/7/14 9:43 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote: > We will have a meeting in London. Please send agenda requests. I still see no agenda posted. Shall we cancel? pr -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. - +1 (858)651-4478 --------------030305080703090406030101 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/7/14 9:43 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote:
We will have a meeting in London.  Please send agenda requests.

I still see no agenda posted. Shall we cancel?

pr
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Pete Resnick <http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>
Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. - +1 (858)651-4478
--------------030305080703090406030101-- From nobody Wed Feb 26 11:42:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E441A027B for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:42:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G4u6akAZRjas for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from neustar.com (smartmail.neustar.com [156.154.25.104]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80581A0807 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:42:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=neustar.biz; s=neustarbiz; t=1393443841; x=1708803441; q=dns/txt; h=From:Subject:Date:Message-ID:Content-Language: Content-Type; bh=pQfNMVRVg4URLKKKhzzbpOx4FTLma8sWRGfBkPsFCus=; b=G1DinMdfaW27qTlewJXld3qLarwA8J3fRe/rHsGLdpgkQIe87Qz6uf0S26sZLr 7oVTaH7CU9GZzqcMI6pJyXnw== Received: from ([10.31.58.69]) by chihiron2.nc.neustar.com with ESMTP with TLS id J041123125.35928027; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:43:59 -0500 Received: from STNTEXMB10.cis.neustar.com ([169.254.5.252]) by stntexhc10.cis.neustar.com ([169.254.4.33]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:42:19 -0500 From: "Rosen, Brian" To: Pete Resnick Thread-Topic: [paws] Agenda Requests Thread-Index: AQHPJBtouVVorGCCbkCYbgsKRIxvkJrIYLOA//+tAIA= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:42:18 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <530E4315.2090204@qti.qualcomm.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.5.130515 x-originating-ip: [10.33.193.26] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CF33ADA24EEDBbrianrosenneustarbiz_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/paws/9Oc50GM4oI85e75LkSjdGGa8rVU Cc: "paws@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [paws] Agenda Requests X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:42:31 -0000 --_000_CF33ADA24EEDBbrianrosenneustarbiz_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nah. I was trying to figure out if there were two or three items. I=92ll = have an agenda up in a few minutes. I really want to settle the =93discovery=94 thing. Either we=92re gonna do= it, or we aren=92t. I don=92t want to leave the meeting without a decisio= n on that. Brian From: Pete Resnick > Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 at 2:40 PM To: Brian Rosen > Cc: "paws@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [paws] Agenda Requests On 2/7/14 9:43 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote: We will have a meeting in London. Please send agenda requests. I still see no agenda posted. Shall we cancel? pr -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. - +1 (858)651-4478 --_000_CF33ADA24EEDBbrianrosenneustarbiz_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <11F0FC08B7D57B44B15A9D17DF588047@neustar.biz> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nah.  I was trying to figure out if there were two or three items= .  I=92ll have an agenda up in a few minutes.

I really want to settle the =93discovery=94 thing.  Either we=92r= e gonna do it, or we aren=92t.  I don=92t want to leave the meeting wi= thout a decision on that.

Brian


From: Pete Resnick <presnick@qti.qualcomm.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 = at 2:40 PM
To: Brian Rosen <brian.rosen@neustar.biz>
Cc: "paws@ietf.org" <paws@i= etf.org>
Subject: Re: [paws] Agenda Requests=

On 2/7/14 9:43 AM, Rosen, Brian w= rote:
We will have a meeting in London.  Please send agenda requests.

I still see no agenda posted. Shall we cancel?

pr
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Pete Resnick <http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>
Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. - +1 (858)651-4478
 --_000_CF33ADA24EEDBbrianrosenneustarbiz_-- From nobody Wed Feb 26 15:22:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AB31A07F8 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:22:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H6pRKCK5qtzX for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yk0-x22e.google.com (mail-yk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D391C1A0870 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yk0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 20so4518926yks.5 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:22:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IIqcgER3sA+qj7yARRCSJ2nC0tq/m3uRjy98eJRhSQA=; b=bqnkn8SGQWSLptUDGnmxEW/HFwLWNZow4WmcJq+nVSnHZTgTjJ2T2q/d6LsPMB/KiA Ai6VpVeOt4vKps+gZhWq9P/a74MeyorsoX+/JGY1n0ATHQFo7TLiR+ios9T1B2+r9HsZ Q8tTbbgXgvGNPkfYlTc2NPaRXh77NK1oN7agSNTWJz4Ho3TgZURgzLvthoepPXWcsafH 00vg0/WVpbT8NY0oVF9BmGjuom9Mtp4pOriVImlvXxDDOiXX4vCxPA/HSLnTmbqWdUpg 2IU0Xb9Vjq968B9nlb/Z4JmzZRlY84kh1zU1/pm5SsNAGzXwKlrQ9RZwpkY0rZSvS7mQ qvnw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.159.65 with SMTP id r41mr11434352yhk.20.1393456969288; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.88.10 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:22:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5D3E853BEE49C848BB63047C794C8655B3CE574E@WOK-INTRA-EXC02.intra.ofcom.local> References: <5D3E853BEE49C848BB63047C794C8655B3CE574E@WOK-INTRA-EXC02.intra.ofcom.local> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:22:49 -0800 Message-ID: From: Gabor Bajko To: Cesar Gutierrez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/paws/2gPZRljJMBCnzfq563ZXyYhxQlE Cc: "paws@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [paws] Revised ETSI standard X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 23:22:55 -0000 The need for this requirement should be discussed on the list; and if agreed, it can be incorporated by the editor into a future draft version. I won't be there in London, but perhaps, if you or someone else could propose text this week, Brian could add it to next week's agenda. - Gabor On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Cesar Gutierrez wrote: > Dear all, > > > > There is a new version available of ETSI EN 301 598 (this is the standard > that lays out the requirements for operation in Europe). Most of the changes > relate to RF requirements, but there is also an additional information > element that the database will have to communicate to the Master device. > This element indicates whether simultaneous transmission over multiple > channels must be restricted in power, and it can take the values of 0 and 1. > > > > EN 301 598 v1.0.9 can be found here: > > http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301598/01.00.09_30/en_301598v010009v.pdf > > and the addition I am referring to is described in section 4.2.3.4 and in > table 4. > > > > Is it still possible to incorporate this new information element to the PAWS > specification? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Cesar > > > > > ________________________________ > > ****************************************************************************************************************** > For more information visit www.ofcom.org.uk > > This email (and any attachments) is confidential and intended for the use of > the addressee only. > > If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of the > message and delete it from your system. > > This email has been scanned for viruses. 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I was trying to figure out if there were two or three items. I=92ll = have an agenda up in a few minutes. I really want to settle the =93discovery=94 thing. Either we=92re gonna do= it, or we aren=92t. I don=92t want to leave the meeting without a decisio= n on that. IMHO, it would really help the group if someone were to present a "beginner= 's guide to LoST". I've been attending RAI groups and Ecrit for 6+ years and I *still* don't u= nderstand it. Ray --_000_18C8BE29C547CC4DBBCF3C4F0B8EC1780B524Dwdsexc1oknanomine_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <1E9881070742CD4591E955D655562E10@okna.nominet.org.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 26 Feb 2014, at 19:42, Rosen, Brian <Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz> wrote:

Nah.  I was trying to figure out if there were two or three items= .  I=92ll have an agenda up in a few minutes.

I really want to settle the =93discovery=94 thing.  Either we=92r= e gonna do it, or we aren=92t.  I don=92t want to leave the meeting wi= thout a decision on that.

IMHO, it would really help the group if someone were to present a &quo= t;beginner's guide to LoST".

I've been attending RAI groups and Ecrit for 6+ years and I *still= * don't understand it.

Ray


--_000_18C8BE29C547CC4DBBCF3C4F0B8EC1780B524Dwdsexc1oknanomine_-- From nobody Thu Feb 27 07:50:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F9C1A0323 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:50:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tL_8DNujZR4s for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from neustar.com (smartmail.neustar.com [156.154.17.104]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE161A031B for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:50:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=neustar.biz; s=neustarbiz; t=1393516361; x=1708875784; q=dns/txt; h=From:Subject:Date:Message-ID:Content-Language: Content-Type; bh=Pyt5JWiRJSt6xvfbpHfuHKQjkPyXPb03IRIHms3J0Ek=; b=oT7eVEsnFqb0An6+dGs/QiFqSID2vgZMrI/JKgTK+pD8EApfOGy4TbohPNIPTz FBd68mRwVw2FNZcf10SIQPDA== Received: from ([10.31.58.71]) by stihiron2.va.neustar.com with ESMTP with TLS id J041124103.42685332; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 10:52:40 -0500 Received: from STNTEXMB10.cis.neustar.com ([169.254.5.252]) by stntexhc12.cis.neustar.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 10:50:12 -0500 From: "Rosen, Brian" To: Ray Bellis Thread-Topic: [paws] Agenda Requests Thread-Index: AQHPJBtouVVorGCCbkCYbgsKRIxvkA== Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:50:11 +0000 Message-ID: <5ACCF692-2D80-4CD6-9D7F-36E9BE984EED@neustar.biz> References: <18C8BE29C547CC4DBBCF3C4F0B8EC1780B524D@wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <18C8BE29C547CC4DBBCF3C4F0B8EC1780B524D@wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.33.193.26] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5ACCF6922D804CD69D7F36E9BE984EEDneustarbiz_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/paws/W0kbS89mW6CR-QFyuDyw_G2vNtQ Cc: "paws@ietf.org" , Pete Resnick Subject: Re: [paws] Agenda Requests X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:50:16 -0000 --_000_5ACCF6922D804CD69D7F36E9BE984EEDneustarbiz_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can do that. I=92ll prepare a short intro. Brian On Feb 27, 2014, at 3:21 AM, Ray Bellis > wrote: On 26 Feb 2014, at 19:42, Rosen, Brian > wrote: Nah. I was trying to figure out if there were two or three items. I=92ll = have an agenda up in a few minutes. I really want to settle the =93discovery=94 thing. Either we=92re gonna do= it, or we aren=92t. I don=92t want to leave the meeting without a decisio= n on that. IMHO, it would really help the group if someone were to present a "beginner= 's guide to LoST". I've been attending RAI groups and Ecrit for 6+ years and I *still* don't u= nderstand it. Ray --_000_5ACCF6922D804CD69D7F36E9BE984EEDneustarbiz_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <4BE13F4E067CCD4A89B39A5B01432367@neustar.biz> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can do that.  I=92ll prepare a short intro.

Brian
On Feb 27, 2014, at 3:21 AM, Ray Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk> wrote:


On 26 Feb 2014, at 19:42, Rosen, Brian <Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz> wrote:

Nah.  I was trying to figure out if there were two or three items= .  I=92ll have an agenda up in a few minutes.

I really want to settle the =93discovery=94 thing.  Either we=92r= e gonna do it, or we aren=92t.  I don=92t want to leave the meeting wi= thout a decision on that.

IMHO, it would really help the group if someone were to present a &quo= t;beginner's guide to LoST".

I've been attending RAI groups and Ecrit for 6+ years and I *still= * don't understand it.

Ray



--_000_5ACCF6922D804CD69D7F36E9BE984EEDneustarbiz_-- From nobody Thu Feb 27 07:51:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B911A0323 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:51:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XHp19xRsaH9T for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:51:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from neustar.com (mx2.neustar.com [156.154.25.104]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F411A031B for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from stntexhc11.cis.neustar.com (stntexhc11.va.neustar.com [10.31.58.70]) by chihiron1.nc.neustar.com with smtp (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) id 212e_ef52_91809e10_92c5_4536_a3a6_f09368169215; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 10:50:57 -0500 Received: from STNTEXMB10.cis.neustar.com ([169.254.5.252]) by stntexhc11.cis.neustar.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 10:50:55 -0500 From: "Rosen, Brian" To: Gabor Bajko Thread-Topic: [paws] Revised ETSI standard Thread-Index: Ac8zHirAs+k5bdpqR2WDG2AKa+qGPw== Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:50:54 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5D3E853BEE49C848BB63047C794C8655B3CE574E@WOK-INTRA-EXC02.intra.ofcom.local> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.33.193.26] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <6E25FBC68DE19A469014C043F8BFE0D8@neustar.biz> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/paws/E5GHTTZgKL79Sz8ceWpjEfy3u9w Cc: "paws@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [paws] Revised ETSI standard X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:51:06 -0000 Can do. We=92ll cover this at the end of the -protocol discussion. Brian On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:22 PM, Gabor Bajko wrote: > The need for this requirement should be discussed on the list; and if > agreed, it can be incorporated by the editor into a future draft > version. > I won't be there in London, but perhaps, if you or someone else could > propose text this week, Brian could add it to next week's agenda. >=20 > - Gabor >=20 > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Cesar Gutierrez > wrote: >> Dear all, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> There is a new version available of ETSI EN 301 598 (this is the standar= d >> that lays out the requirements for operation in Europe). Most of the cha= nges >> relate to RF requirements, but there is also an additional information >> element that the database will have to communicate to the Master device. >> This element indicates whether simultaneous transmission over multiple >> channels must be restricted in power, and it can take the values of 0 an= d 1. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> EN 301 598 v1.0.9 can be found here: >>=20 >> http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301598/01.00.09_30/en_= 301598v010009v.pdf >>=20 >> and the addition I am referring to is described in section 4.2.3.4 and i= n >> table 4. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Is it still possible to incorporate this new information element to the = PAWS >> specification? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks and regards, >>=20 >> Cesar >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________ >>=20 >> ************************************************************************= ****************************************** >> For more information visit www.ofcom.org.uk >>=20 >> This email (and any attachments) is confidential and intended for the us= e of >> the addressee only. >>=20 >> If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of= the >> message and delete it from your system. >>=20 >> This email has been scanned for viruses. However, you open any attachmen= ts >> at your own risk. >>=20 >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender a= nd >> do not represent the views or opinions of Ofcom unless expressly stated >> otherwise. >> ************************************************************************= ****************************************** >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> paws mailing list >> paws@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/paws >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > paws mailing list > paws@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/paws From nobody Thu Feb 27 08:02:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: paws@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7395D1A0390 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:02:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.847 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.847 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rvYcOQK9X1kV for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.nominet.org.uk (mx1.nominet.org.uk [213.248.242.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430FB1A038C for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: s=main2.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:X-IPAS-Result:Received:Received:From:To:CC: Subject:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Accept-Language:Content-Language: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:x-originating-ip: Content-Type:Content-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding: MIME-Version; b=WooAJHlniu5P5waTs+bKRuKfD3W8EEZHT8RMXUOxqImZnjKrLmUrrlSr 1n8D07nM6idmJF+MH1IIPTzSapY3lrzpnClnEn1r56tFTipR0XfdEX7Sc fabTJ5zu02gAVf5W+0saD+opXk4ltLkRWv0gLCW7TnLkFXKQrtGWzlBul /Nfi/yoQvppFDe/iaB7eIcAvVT5BkHI0D3/N3ONi85AyWUClaOoKgZAZr opQbLRworgxouuFBzYMl3HITMJt8K; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main2.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1393516924; x=1425052924; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=u3/DJiQ6T68sJt6ti1sVBVSDNXLbPcISg+ZK/62vrqc=; b=L5TnH/kBZXjZ2vob9kCUuTydtfyxxdssAqDqLNaskWfsLD/LqoM9x++g YOuxPkspf20XwIRkOG9RRDs0fDxTaKn2QB4cNnGR2M0gUhcWc0qQLnUg1 LrM/j3L69Fz3LVgCl0tKwwsqC0g9c9D6MMPXVEOBPBHgLLLpQ/cNtDqhM Or5SNGr7az2BhdEd/gHXGeqiv7EXezHeFtJq9Icn8zJrHz+P2MDHKHXHy vkOFdtue4FdWmYygnVAwi/dEUToRW; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,555,1389744000"; d="scan'208";a="7988759" X-IPAS-Result: AjoFAElhD1PV+MWR/2dsb2JhbABagmUhgRLBC4EbFnSCJQEBAQECAVMmBQsCAQgiJDIlAgQOBQiHaQkDynwXjiQxB4MjgRQEqmKDLYIq Received: from wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.145]) by mx1.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 27 Feb 2014 16:01:57 +0000 Received: from WDS-EXC1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::1593:1394:a91f:8f5f]) by wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::7577:eaca:5241:25d4%17]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:01:56 +0000 From: Ray Bellis To: "Rosen, Brian" Thread-Topic: [paws] Agenda Requests Thread-Index: AQHPJBtouVVorGCCbkCYbgsKRIxvkJrIDOGAgAAAnwCAANQuAIAAfUyAgAADR4A= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:01:55 +0000 Message-ID: <18C8BE29C547CC4DBBCF3C4F0B8EC1780B804B@wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk> References: <18C8BE29C547CC4DBBCF3C4F0B8EC1780B524D@wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk> <5ACCF692-2D80-4CD6-9D7F-36E9BE984EED@neustar.biz> In-Reply-To: <5ACCF692-2D80-4CD6-9D7F-36E9BE984EED@neustar.biz> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.2.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/paws/d06kyhSWn6w6WMh0J6bZ78MElpc Cc: "paws@ietf.org" , Pete Resnick Subject: Re: [paws] Agenda Requests X-BeenThere: paws@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Protocol to Access White Space database \(PAWS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:02:07 -0000 On 27 Feb 2014, at 15:50, Rosen, Brian wrote: > I can do that. I=92ll prepare a short intro. Thanks Brian, that's much appreciated. kind regards, Ray