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Hi,

You can find the draft of the IETF-65 PCE WG minutes at: https:// 
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Hi all,

As suggested in Dallas meeting, the inter-layer applicability draft 
(draft-oki-pce-inter-layer-app-00.txt) was changed to an inter-layer
framework draft, which is posted as
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-oki-pce-inter-layer-frwk-00.txt

Main changes are:
- the draft name and tile from "applicability" to "framework".
- other related texts.

Any comments and suggestions are highly appreciated.

Thank you.
Eiji

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	Title		: Framework for PCE-Based Inter-Layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering
	Author(s)	: E. Oki, et al.
	Filename	: draft-oki-pce-inter-layer-frwk-00.txt
	Pages		: 1
	Date		: 2006-4-5
	
A network may comprise of multiple layers. It is important to 
globally optimize network resources utilization, taking into 
account all layers, rather than optimizing resource utilization at 
each layer independently. This allows better network efficiency to 
be achieved through a process that we call inter-layer traffic 
engineering. The Path Computation Element (PCE) can be a powerful 
tool to achieve inter-layer traffic engineering. 
      
This document describes a framework for the PCE-based path 
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support of multi-layer networks. This document also describes 
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and the relationship between PCE and a functional component called 
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.


	Title		: Framework for PCE-Based Inter-Layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering
	Author(s)	: E. Oki, et al.
	Filename	: draft-oki-pce-inter-layer-frwk-00.txt
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A network may comprise of multiple layers. It is important to 
globally optimize network resources utilization, taking into 
account all layers, rather than optimizing resource utilization at 
each layer independently. This allows better network efficiency to 
be achieved through a process that we call inter-layer traffic 
engineering. The Path Computation Element (PCE) can be a powerful 
tool to achieve inter-layer traffic engineering. 
      
This document describes a framework for the PCE-based path 
computation architecture to inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS traffic 
engineering. It provides suggestions for the deployment of PCE in 
support of multi-layer networks. This document also describes 
network models where PCE performs inter-layer traffic engineering,
and the relationship between PCE and a functional component called 
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Hi,

Thanks for the summary Rich.

PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
	(1) You think that there is a need for such solution,
	(2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)
	(3) You think that there is a need for both

Thanks.

JP.

On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As suggested in Dallas, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs =20
> between the two solutions described in draft-rbradfor-ccamp-=20
> confidential-segment-00.txt.
>
> -- Rich
>
>
>
> The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different =20
> but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution =20
> and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines =20
> a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.
>
>
>
> In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS =20
> by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. =20
> During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the =20
> PCE for an expansion.
>
> The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting =20
> it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the =20
> LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =20=

> obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).
>
>
>
> The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =20=

> control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, =20
> (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =20
> applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =20=

> size of objects added to existing messages.
>
>
>
> (1) Additional Control Message Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =20
> receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =20
> the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR =20
> must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =20
> message exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption =20
> solution does not require this extra exchange between the PCE and =20
> the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to =20=

> be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional =20
> delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional =20=

> delay for the PRS solution.
>
>
>
>
>
> (2) PCE and LSR Performance:
>
> The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys =20
> adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the =20
> encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =20
> LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =20
> requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on =20
> the PCE response time.
>
>
>
> (3) Addition of State in the PCE:
>
> The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =20
> maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =20
> additional state.
>
>
>
>
>
> (4) Solution Scope:
>
> The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE =20
> to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct =20
> solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working =20
> in the case where A's network straddles B's network and where A =20
> wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =20=

> network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be =20
> used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned =20
> RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be =20
> adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =20
> PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure location confidential from =20
> LSRs without a decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is =20
> maintained by returning the address of border nodes, which can be =20
> very misleading.
>
>
>
> (5) Message Object Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =20=

> path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be =20
> returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =20
> message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as =20
> large as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be =20
> significantly larger if it is desirable to hide the number of hops =20
> within the network from external view by padding the PRS. The =20
> result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS =20
> solution.
>
>
>
>
>
> Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =20=

> Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =20
> implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could =20
> choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =20
> shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =20
> eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar =20
> exchange could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need =20
> for a separate key exchange. These examples of extensions are =20
> beyond the scope of the ID, but might be useful when weighing the =20
> pros and cons of the two solutions.
>
>
>
>
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-khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi,<DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks for the summary =
Rich.</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>PCE WG =
members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:</DIV><DIV><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</SPAN>(1) You =
think that there is a need for such solution,</DIV><DIV><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</SPAN>(2) You =
would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)</DIV><DIV><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</SPAN>(3) You =
think that there is a need for both</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>JP.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV>On Apr 5, 2006, =
at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:</DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE =
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name=3D"place"> <DIV class=3D"Section1"><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">Hi,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">As =
suggested in <ST1:CITY w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE =
w:st=3D"on">Dallas</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>, I=92ve described some of the =
tradeoffs between the two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>=
</P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">-- =
Rich<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very =
different but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) =
solution and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note =
examines a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution. =
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">In =
short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by saving =
it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP =
setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by =
encrypting it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During =
the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =
obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration). =
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) =
additional control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those =
objects, (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope =
(i.e. applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) =
the size of objects added to existing =
messages.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(1) Additional Control Message =
Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key =
upon receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =
the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must =
request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional message =
exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does =
not require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS solution but no additional delay for the PRS =
solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(2) PCE and LSR Performance:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) =
database of keys adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires =
the encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =
LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =
requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on the =
PCE response time.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">(3) Addition of State in the =
PCE:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS =
solution requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of =
a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional =
state.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3"=
 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(4) Solution Scope:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in =
conjunction with a PCE to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS =
provides no direct solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS =
solution for working in the case where A's network straddles B's network =
and where A wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the =
intervening network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS =
could be used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the =
returned RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could =
be adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, =
while keeping the failure location confidential from LSRs without a =
decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is maintained by =
returning the address of border nodes, which can be very =
misleading.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(5) Message Object Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS solution provides a very compact key =
or token to identify a path segment, which generally allows for smaller =
EROs to be returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =
message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as large =
as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger =
if it is desirable to hide the number of hops within the network from =
external view by padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH =
(and PCEP) messages for the PRS solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">Please note that the tradeoffs listed here =
are for the current I-D. Some of the shortcomings of each approach could =
be mitigated by implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a =
PCE could choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =
shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =
eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange =
could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate =
key exchange. These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the =
ID, but might be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two =
solutions.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
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Hi,

You can find IETF-65 PCE WG minutes at:
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Hi,

We received a communication from the OIF way back in February (copy at the
end of this email).

After much discussion with the IAB on the issue we think it would be
premature to establish a formal process for exchange of information. Our
logic is that we do not yet have a protocol specification that is close to
being ready for consideration for interoperability testing.

However, we do recognise the benefit of exchanging ideas with participants
in the OIF and want to share our progress with them.

Therefore, I am proposing the following reply.

Please let me know your opinions.

Thanks,
Adrian
=====
To: Jim Jones, OIF TC Chair
From: Adrian Farrel and JP Vasseur, IETF PCE Co-Chairs
Cc: Bill Fenner and Ross Callon, IETF Routing Area Directors
Subject: Your communication about closer ties with the PCE Working Group

Dear Jim,

Thank you for your interest in the work of the PCE working group and for
expressing an interest in cooperation between your Forum and the working
group.

The PCE working group is still at a relatively early stage, and while it
has specified an architecture and some protocol requirements its protocols
are as yet immature. We feel, therefore, that it would be premature to
instigate a liaison relationship to develop interoperable products and
services.

However, we would very much appreciate the opinions of all participants in
the OIF with regard to our work.

The latest versions of our Internet-Drafts can be found at the PCE working
group charter page http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pce-charter.html and
can be downloaded without charge simply by clicking on the links.

Opinions and questions on the work are welcomed on the PCE mailing list.
The mailing list is open to everyone without charge or membership
requirements. Instructions for signing up to the mailing list can be found
on the charter page.

Best regards,
Adrian Farrel and JP Vasseur
IETF PCE Working Group Co-Chairs

> ======
>
> To: Adrian Farrel and J.P. Vasseur, IETF PCE WG Co-Chairs
> From: Jim Jones, OIF TC Chair
> Copy: Alex Zinin and Bill Fenner, IETF Routing Area Directors
> Subject: Proposal to establish a liaison to IETF PCE WG
>
> Dear Adrian and JP,
>
> The OIF is interested in initiating a cooperative liaison with the PCE
WG,
> WG in the spirit of fostering cooperation for achieving interoperability
> of intelligent optical networks.
>
> The mission of the Optical Internetworking Forum (OIF) is to foster the
> development and deployment of interoperable products and services for
> data switching and routing using optical networking technologies.
>
> To date OIF has had issued Interoperability Agreements (IAs) in the
> areas of physical link layer interoperability and network control plane
> interoperability. OIF has also been successful with multiple
> interoperability demonstrations using OIF IAs and ITU-T
> Recommendations as the basis for the interoperability demonstrations.
>
> We would like to propose that Richard Bradford of Cisco act as liaison
> between the two organizations.
>
> Best regards,
> Jim Jones
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This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: A Path Computation Element (PCE) Based Architecture
	Author(s)	: A. Farrel, et al.
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Dear WG,

As you know, we already have a WG ID for the Inter-layer requirements  
(draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-req-01.txt). During the last WG meeting,  
it was discussed to convert the Inter-layer applicability ID into an  
inter-layer framework ID, which has now been posted: draft-oki-pce- 
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Could you please voice on opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter- 
layer-frwk-00.txt as a PCE WG document ?

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Dear JP,

	:-)

	I support this work as a working group document.

	The ideas are good, relevant and the document shows 
a good start in the right direction for a PCE WG document.

	The work relates to the text in the third paragraph
of the existing charter and the first Work Item.  The first
Work Item may need to be explicitly expanded to include the
inter-layer work as well as inter-area and inter-AS.

--
Eric Gray

--> -----Original Message-----
--> From: JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com] 
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--> 
--> Dear WG,
--> 
--> As you know, we already have a WG ID for the Inter-layer 
--> requirements  
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--> meeting,  
--> it was discussed to convert the Inter-layer applicability 
--> ID into an  
--> inter-layer framework ID, which has now been posted: 
-->
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--> Thanks.
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> Could you please voice on opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter-=20
> layer-frwk-00.txt as a PCE WG document?

Support.  IMO some of the informative references should be normative
(pce-arch, etc.)?

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> As you know, we already have a WG ID for the Inter-layer requirements 
> (draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-req-01.txt). During the last WG meeting, it was 
> discussed to convert the Inter-layer applicability ID into an inter-layer 
> framework ID, which has now been posted: draft-oki-pce- 
> inter-layer-frwk-00.txt.
>
> Could you please voice on opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter- 
> layer-frwk-00.txt as a PCE WG document ?

------> I support adopting this document as a WG document.

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yes this should be a wg doc

/Loa

JP Vasseur wrote:
> Dear WG,
> 
> As you know, we already have a WG ID for the Inter-layer requirements  
> (draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-req-01.txt). During the last WG meeting,  it 
> was discussed to convert the Inter-layer applicability ID into an  
> inter-layer framework ID, which has now been posted: draft-oki-pce- 
> inter-layer-frwk-00.txt.
> 
> Could you please voice on opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter- 
> layer-frwk-00.txt as a PCE WG document ?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> JP.
> 
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Hi, I support adopting this.

Ichiro

 >> Dear WG,
 >> As you know, we already have a WG ID for the Inter-layer requirements
 >> (draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-req-01.txt). During the last WG meeting, 
it was discussed to convert the Inter-layer applicability ID into an
 >> inter-layer framework ID, which has now been posted: draft-oki-pce- 
inter-layer-frwk-00.txt.
 >> Could you please voice on opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter- 
layer-frwk-00.txt as a PCE WG document ?
 >> Thanks.
 >> JP.
 >> _______________________________________________
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I support this to be a WG doc.

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> 
> Dear WG,
> 
> As you know, we already have a WG ID for the Inter-layer requirements  
> (draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-req-01.txt). During the last WG meeting,  
> it was discussed to convert the Inter-layer applicability ID into an  
> inter-layer framework ID, which has now been posted: draft-oki-pce- 
> inter-layer-frwk-00.txt.
> 
> Could you please voice on opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter- 
> layer-frwk-00.txt as a PCE WG document ?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> JP.
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:22 AM
> To: pce@ietf.org
> Subject: [Pce] opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter-layer-frwk-00.txt
> asa new PCE WG document ?
> 
> Dear WG,
> 
> As you know, we already have a WG ID for the Inter-layer requirements
> (draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-req-01.txt). During the last WG meeting,
> it was discussed to convert the Inter-layer applicability ID into an
> inter-layer framework ID, which has now been posted: draft-oki-pce-
> inter-layer-frwk-00.txt.
> 
> Could you please voice on opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter-
> layer-frwk-00.txt as a PCE WG document ?
[rp] 
[rp] I support this being as a WG document.
/Rajiv
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> JP.
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I support the draft to be a WG doc.

Thanks,

Richard D.

JP Vasseur wrote:
> Dear WG,
> 
> As you know, we already have a WG ID for the Inter-layer requirements  
> (draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-req-01.txt). During the last WG meeting,  it 
> was discussed to convert the Inter-layer applicability ID into an  
> inter-layer framework ID, which has now been posted: draft-oki-pce- 
> inter-layer-frwk-00.txt.
> 
> Could you please voice on opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter- 
> layer-frwk-00.txt as a PCE WG document ?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> JP.
> 
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> From: IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
> Date: April 19, 2006 9:50:00 AM EDT
> To: IETF Announcement list <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
> Subject: IESG Statement: Normative and Informative References
>
> Normative and Informative References
>
> Nearly all RFCs contain citations to other documents, and these are
> listed in a References section near the end of the RFC. There are many
> styles for references, and the RFCs have one of their own. Please
> follow the reference style used in recent RFCs. Please note that for
> documents that have been assigned an STD or BCP number, the number  
> must
> be included in the reference.
>
> Within an RFC, references to other documents fall into two general
> categories: "normative" and "informative". Normative references  
> specify
> documents that must be read to understand or implement the technology
> in the new RFC, or whose technology must be present for the technology
> in the new RFC to work. An informative reference is not normative;
> rather, it only provides additional information. For example, an
> informative reference might provide background or historical
> information. Informative references are not required to implement the
> technology in the RFC.
>
> Note 1: Even references that are relevant only for optional features
> must be classified as normative if they meet the above conditions for
> normative references.
>
> Note 2: It is not considered necessary to cite basic specifications
> that may be safely assumed to be known to practitioners (for example,
> RFC 791 need not be cited in every specification that mentions IPv4).
>
> Note 3: The normative/informative distinction is relevant in
> any document that amounts to a technical specification, even
> if its intended status is Experimental or Informational.
>
> Note 4: Normative references in RFCs cannot be to "work in progress"
> documents such as Internet Drafts. Drafts with such references will
> not be published as RFCs until the references are also published.
>
> The distinction between normative and informative references is often
> important. The IETF standards process according to RFC 2026 and RFC  
> 3967,
> and the RFC Editor publication process, both need to know whether a
> reference to a work in progress is normative. An RFC cannot be  
> published
> until all of the documents that it lists as normative references  
> have been
> published. In practice, this often results in the simultaneous  
> publication
> of a group of interrelated RFCs.
>
> For these reasons, the IESG and the RFC Editor have established
> guidelines that will request separate reference lists for normative
> and informative references in Internet Drafts and RFCs. For example,
> if both types are present, there would be two reference subsections,
> numbered s.1 and s.2 for example:
>
> s.1. Normative References
>
> xxx
> ...
> xxx
>
> s.2. Informative References
>
> xxx
> ...
> xxx
>
> Of course, if there is only one type of reference, only one
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Hi,

Good advice from the IESG on how to classify your references in I-Ds.

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> Normative and Informative References
>
> Nearly all RFCs contain citations to other documents, and these are
> listed in a References section near the end of the RFC. There are many
> styles for references, and the RFCs have one of their own. Please
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> be included in the reference.
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> Within an RFC, references to other documents fall into two general
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> documents that must be read to understand or implement the technology
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> in the new RFC to work. An informative reference is not normative;
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> informative reference might provide background or historical
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> technology in the RFC.
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> Note 1: Even references that are relevant only for optional features
> must be classified as normative if they meet the above conditions for
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>
> Note 2: It is not considered necessary to cite basic specifications
> that may be safely assumed to be known to practitioners (for example,
> RFC 791 need not be cited in every specification that mentions IPv4).
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> Note 3: The normative/informative distinction is relevant in
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>
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> not be published as RFCs until the references are also published.
>
> The distinction between normative and informative references is often
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3967,
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been
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Yes

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At 11:21 06/04/17 -0400, JP Vasseur wrote:
>Dear WG,
>
>As you know, we already have a WG ID for the Inter-layer requirements
>(draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-req-01.txt). During the last WG meeting,
>it was discussed to convert the Inter-layer applicability ID into an
>inter-layer framework ID, which has now been posted: draft-oki-pce- 
>inter-layer-frwk-00.txt.
>
>Could you please voice on opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter- 
>layer-frwk-00.txt as a PCE WG document ?
>
>Thanks.
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Yes.

I support adopting draft-oki-pce-inter-layer-frwk-00.txt as a PCE WG
document.
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JP Vasseur wrote:

> Dear WG,
> 
> As you know, we already have a WG ID for the Inter-layer requirements  
> (draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-req-01.txt). During the last WG meeting,  it 
> was discussed to convert the Inter-layer applicability ID into an  
> inter-layer framework ID, which has now been posted: draft-oki-pce- 
> inter-layer-frwk-00.txt.
> 
> Could you please voice on opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter- 
> layer-frwk-00.txt as a PCE WG document ?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> JP.
> 
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Yes it should be a WG document.

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Hi,

Considering the support for this ID to become a WG doc, please author  
thanks to post as WG document.

JP.

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> Date: April 17, 2006 11:21:42 AM EDT
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> Dear WG,
>
> As you know, we already have a WG ID for the Inter-layer  
> requirements (draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-req-01.txt). During the  
> last WG meeting, it was discussed to convert the Inter-layer  
> applicability ID into an inter-layer framework ID, which has now  
> been posted: draft-oki-pce-inter-layer-frwk-00.txt.
>
> Could you please voice on opinion on adopting draft-oki-pce-inter- 
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Hi JP, Richard
=20
Please see inline,


________________________________

	De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]=20
	Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
	=C0 : Rich Bradford
	Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
	Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.
=09
=09
	Hi,=20

	Thanks for the summary Rich.

	PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
	(1) You think that there is a need for such solution,=20
	=20
	Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an =
inter-provider context.
	=20
	(2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)=20
	=20
	(3) You think that there is a need for both=20
	=20
	Answer to (2) and (3):
	It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as to =
ease interworking.
=09
	IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will be =
loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.=20
	If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, particularly =
for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a =
large number of hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really =
vulnerable to DoS attacks.
	Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =
suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to the =
LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, sounds =
relevant and should be further investigated.
	=20
	Best Regards,
	=20
	JL
	=20
	=20
	=20
=09
=09
	Thanks.

	JP.

	On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:


		Hi,

		As suggested in Dallas, I've described some of the tradeoffs between =
the two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.

		-- Rich

	=09

		The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.=20

	=09

		In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by =
saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During =
the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.

		The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, =
which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).=20

	=09

		The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =
control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) =
the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =
applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size =
of objects added to existing messages.

	=09

		(1) Additional Control Message Overhead:

		The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =
receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the =
Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must =
request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional message =
exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does =
not require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS solution but no additional delay for the PRS solution.

	=09

	=09

		(2) PCE and LSR Performance:

		The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding =
overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS =
in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU =
intensive. Note that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large =
number of CPS may have an impact on the PCE response time.

	=09

		(3) Addition of State in the PCE:

		The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =
maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =
additional state.

	=09

	=09

		(4) Solution Scope:

		The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to =
encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution =
without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case =
where A's network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO =
for a segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.

	=09

		(5) Message Object Overhead:

		The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =
path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be returned by =
the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which =
contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the unencrypted =
PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if it is desirable =
to hide the number of hops within the network from external view by =
padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =
messages for the PRS solution.

	=09

	=09

		Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =
Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =
implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could choose =
to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, shifting the =
burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the =
performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be performed =
for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might =
be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two solutions.

	=09

	=09

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  pce@ietf.org<BR><B>Objet&nbsp;:</B> Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption =
vs.=20
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  that there is a need for such solution,<SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Yes=20
  definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider =

  context.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: =
pre"></SPAN>(2) You would=20
  prefer one solution (which one and why ?)<SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: =
pre"></SPAN>(3) You think=20
  that there is a need for both<SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Answer to (2) and=20
  (3):</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN=20
  class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>It seems to me=20
  that we should end-up with a single solution so as to&nbsp;ease=20
  interworking.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>IMO&nbsp;in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the =
paths=20
  will be loose anyway,&nbsp;so there&nbsp;will not be&nbsp;any =
confidentiality=20
  issue. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006></SPAN><SPAN=20
  class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>If have some=20
  concerns&nbsp;regarding the cost of encryption, particularly for large =
paths=20
  (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a large number =
of=20
  hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really vulnerable to =
DoS=20
  attacks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>Hence I&nbsp;would strongly favor the PKS solution. The =
optimization=20
  suggested,&nbsp;which consists of sending the computed path segment to =
the LSR=20
  in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation,&nbsp;sounds =
relevant and=20
  should be further investigated.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Best=20
  Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>JL</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT><BR=20
  class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>JP.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) =
wrote:</DIV><BR=20
  class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name=3D"City"=20
    =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTY=
PE=20
    name=3D"place" =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags">
    <DIV class=3DSection1>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As suggested in <ST1:CITY =
w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE=20
    w:st=3D"on">Dallas</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>, I=92ve described some of =
the=20
    tradeoffs between the two solutions described in=20
    =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT=
></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-- Rich<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID =
provides two=20
    very different but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject =
(PKS)=20
    solution and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note =
examines=20
    a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.=20
    <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to =
hide the=20
    CPS for an AS by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key =
in the=20
    ERO. During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query =
the PCE=20
    for an expansion.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to =
be hidden=20
    by encrypting it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. =
During=20
    the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key =
to=20
    obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or =
configuration).=20
    <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The major differences between the =
mechanisms involve=20
    (1) additional control messages, (2) performance issues expanding =
those=20
    objects, (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution =
scope (i.e.=20
    applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =
size of=20
    objects added to existing messages.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(1) Additional Control Message=20
    Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution requires a mechanism to =
expand the=20
    Path Key upon receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which=20
    calculated the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, =
the LSR=20
    must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =
message=20
    exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution =
does not=20
    require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every=20
    LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is=20
    changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS=20
    solution but no additional delay for the PRS=20
    solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(2) PCE and LSR=20
    Performance:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution must maintain a =
(temporary)=20
    database of keys adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution =
requires the=20
    encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =
LSR, which=20
    could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of requests, =
encryption=20
    of large number of CPS may have an impact on the PCE response=20
    time.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(3) Addition of State in the=20
    PCE:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution requires the addition of=20
    path-specific state and maintenance of a database in the PCE. The =
PRS=20
    solution requires no additional state.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(4) Solution =
Scope:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS and PRS solutions both work well =
in=20
    conjunction with a PCE to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS =

    provides no direct solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS =
solution=20
    for working in the case where A's network straddles B's network and =
where A=20
    wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =
network,=20
    e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to =
record a=20
    CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses =
multiple=20
    boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return =
actual=20
    failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the =
failure=20
    location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy=20
    of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which=20
    can be very misleading.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(5) Message Object=20
    Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution provides a very compact =
key or=20
    token to identify a path segment, which generally allows for smaller =
EROs to=20
    be returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =
message. A=20
    PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the=20
    unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if =
it is=20
    desirable to hide the number of hops within the network from =
external view=20
    by padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =

    messages for the PRS solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Please note that the tradeoffs listed here =
are for=20
    the current I-D. Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be=20
    mitigated by implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a =
PCE could=20
    choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =
shifting the=20
    burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the=20
    performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be =
performed for=20
    the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These=20
    examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might be =
useful=20
    when weighing the pros and cons of the two=20
    solutions.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
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Hi,

Thanks for your feed-back, suggesting to go ahead with one solution, =20
the PKS. Indeed, the proposed optimization could be specified in a =20
further revision (being optional).

Others, any opinion ?

Thanks.

JP.

On Apr 24, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:

> JL,
>
> Thanks for the reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between =20
> multiple solutions when there are so many tradeoffs between the =20
> solutions.
>
>
>
> Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the =20
> unsolicited computed path segment.  It was a difficult choice =20
> whether or not to include a description of this in the original =20
> draft, since it is more complex. Which aspect of the optimization =20
> seemed most important? Was it that it=92s more efficient during LSP =20=

> setup or because it could be used to shift the burden of =20
> maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?
>
> Thanks once again for your opinion.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>   Rich
>
>
>
> From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN =20
> [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM
> To: Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
>
>
> Hi JP, Richard
>
>
>
> Please see inline,
>
>
>
> De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]
> Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
> =C0 : Rich Bradford
> Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the summary Rich.
>
>
>
> PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
>
> (1) You think that there is a need for such solution,
>
>
>
> Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-=20
> provider context.
>
>
>
> (2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)
>
>
>
> (3) You think that there is a need for both
>
>
>
> Answer to (2) and (3):
>
> It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as =20
> to ease interworking.
>
> IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will =20=

> be loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.
>
> If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, =20
> particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =20
> applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, =20
> encryption approaches are really vulnerable to DoS attacks.
>
> Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =20
> suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to =20
> the LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, =20
> sounds relevant and should be further investigated.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> JP.
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As suggested in Dallas, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs =20
> between the two solutions described in draft-rbradfor-ccamp-=20
> confidential-segment-00.txt.
>
> -- Rich
>
> The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different =20
> but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution =20
> and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines =20
> a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.
>
> In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS =20
> by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. =20
> During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the =20
> PCE for an expansion.
>
> The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting =20
> it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the =20
> LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =20=

> obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).
>
> The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =20=

> control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, =20
> (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =20
> applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =20=

> size of objects added to existing messages.
>
> (1) Additional Control Message Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =20
> receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =20
> the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR =20
> must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =20
> message exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption =20
> solution does not require this extra exchange between the PCE and =20
> the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to =20=

> be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional =20
> delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional =20=

> delay for the PRS solution.
>
> (2) PCE and LSR Performance:
>
> The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys =20
> adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the =20
> encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =20
> LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =20
> requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on =20
> the PCE response time.
>
> (3) Addition of State in the PCE:
>
> The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =20
> maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =20
> additional state.
>
> (4) Solution Scope:
>
> The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE =20
> to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct =20
> solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working =20
> in the case where A's network straddles B's network and where A =20
> wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =20=

> network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be =20
> used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned =20
> RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be =20
> adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =20
> PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure location confidential from =20
> LSRs without a decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is =20
> maintained by returning the address of border nodes, which can be =20
> very misleading.
>
> (5) Message Object Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =20=

> path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be =20
> returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =20
> message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as =20
> large as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be =20
> significantly larger if it is desirable to hide the number of hops =20
> within the network from external view by padding the PRS. The =20
> result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS =20
> solution.
>
> Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =20=

> Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =20
> implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could =20
> choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =20
> shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =20
> eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar =20
> exchange could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need =20
> for a separate key exchange. These examples of extensions are =20
> beyond the scope of the ID, but might be useful when weighing the =20
> pros and cons of the two solutions.
>
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Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3"=
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Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
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13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Hi JP, =
Richard</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" =
color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Please see =
inline,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
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<P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
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Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; "></SPAN><HR size=3D"2" =
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class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt; font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><B style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; "><FONT size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">De=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN =
lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> JP Vasseur [<A =
href=3D"mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com">mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com</A>] =
</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
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"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Envoy=E9=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> jeudi 6 avril =
2006 14:52</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">=C0=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Rich =
Bradford</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Cc=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Objet=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: [Pce] =
Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3D"FR"><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks for the summary Rich.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">PCE WG members: thanks to provide your =
feedback on whether:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) You think that there is a need for such =
solution,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =
color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Yes definitely, =
confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider =
context.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) You would prefer one solution (which one =
and why ?)</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =
color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">(3) You think that there is a need for =
both</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =
color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Answer to (2) and =
(3):</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">It seems to me that we =
should end-up with a single solution so as to=A0ease =
interworking.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">IMO=A0in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the =
paths will be loose anyway,=A0so there=A0will not be=A0any =
confidentiality issue.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">If have some concerns=A0regarding the cost of encryption, =
particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =
applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, encryption =
approaches are really vulnerable to DoS =
attacks.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Hence I=A0would =
strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization suggested,=A0which =
consists of sending the computed path segment to the LSR in an =
unsolicited manner, just after the computation,=A0sounds relevant and =
should be further investigated.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Best =
Regards,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">JL</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
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style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
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Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
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16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">JP.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
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"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
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">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
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16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford =
((rbradfor)) wrote:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
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"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
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namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><SPAN =
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font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
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"></O:P></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
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style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">As suggested =
in </SPAN><ST1:CITY u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:CITY =
w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE w:st=3D"on"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
">Dallas</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs between the =
two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">-- =
Rich</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The =
Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">In short: The =
PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by saving it in a =
database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PRS =
solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, which may =
be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, the =
ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The major =
differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional control =
messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) the =
addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. applicability =
to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size of objects =
added to existing messages.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) Additional =
Control Message Overhead:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon receipt of the =
LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the Path Key might not =
reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must request the expansion =
from the PCE, requiring an additional message exchange before LSP setup =
can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does not require this extra =
exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the =
decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it is changed. The result =
is additional delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no =
additional delay for the PRS solution.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) PCE and =
LSR Performance:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding overhead to =
the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS in the PCE =
and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note =
that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large number of CPS =
may have an impact on the PCE response time.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(3) Addition =
of State in the PCE:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of =
a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional =
state.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(4) Solution =
Scope:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS and =
PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to encode and =
decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution without a =
PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case where A's =
network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO for a =
segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
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Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(5) Message =
Object Overhead:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a path =
segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be returned by the =
PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which =
contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the unencrypted =
PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if it is desirable =
to hide the number of hops within the network from external view by =
padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =
messages for the PRS solution.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
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Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Please note =
that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. Some of the =
shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =
implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could choose =
to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, shifting the =
burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the =
performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be performed =
for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might =
be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two =
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	Title		: Framework for PCE-Based Inter-Layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering 
	Author(s)	: E. Oki, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-frwk-00.txt
	Pages		: 15
	Date		: 2006-4-26
	
A network may comprise of multiple layers. It is important to 
globally optimize network resources utilization, taking into 
account all layers, rather than optimizing resource utilization at 
each layer independently. This allows better network efficiency to 
be achieved through a process that we call inter-layer traffic 
engineering. The Path Computation Element (PCE) can be a powerful 
tool to achieve inter-layer traffic engineering. 
      
This document describes a framework for the PCE-based path 
computation architecture to inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS traffic 
engineering. It provides suggestions for the deployment of PCE in 
support of multi-layer networks. This document also describes 
network models where PCE performs inter-layer traffic engineering, 
and the relationship between PCE and a functional component called 
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Hi Richard,
=20
Please see inline,


________________________________

	De : Rich Bradford (rbradfor) [mailto:rbradfor@cisco.com]=20
	Envoy=E9 : lundi 24 avril 2006 20:06
	=C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur)
	Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
	Objet : RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.
=09
=09

	JL,

	Thanks for the reply. It's always difficult to choose between multiple =
solutions when there are so many tradeoffs between the solutions. =20

	=20

	Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the unsolicited =
computed path segment.  It was a difficult choice whether or not to =
include a description of this in the original draft, since it is more =
complex. Which aspect of the optimization seemed most important? Was it =
that it's more efficient during LSP setup or because it could be used to =
shift the burden of maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?=20

	=20

	IMO the most important optimization is the gain in LSP setup time, =
which may be significant, and this is of particular =20

	importance during end-to-end LSP restoration upon failure.

	Let's assume an inter-AS path computation with an AS-path length =3D N:

	-Without this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig + N* LSR-PCE exchanges.

	-With this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig

	Hence the gain in signaling time is N*LSR-PCE exchanges.

	And the good thing is that the path computation time would not be =
impacted at all by this procedure as the PCE-LSR unsolicited =
notification is done in // with the BRPC procedure.

	=20

	There may be one minor con: During the BRPC you don't know a priori =
which path segment will finally be selected, hence you need to send the =
path segment to all ASBR LSRs connected to the upstream AS...but this is =
a minor issue, because there are not so many ASBRs connected to the =
upstream AS (two or three). You will have to remove the information on =
the ASBR if no Path message is received after the expiration of a =
timer...

	=20

	Regards,

	=20

	JL

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	Thanks once again for your opinion.=20

	Best Regards,

	  Rich

	=20

=09
________________________________


	From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN =
[mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com]=20
	Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM
	To: Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)
	Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.

	=20

	Hi JP, Richard

	=20

	Please see inline,

		=20

	=09
________________________________


		De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]=20
		Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
		=C0 : Rich Bradford
		Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
		Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.

		Hi,=20

		=20

		Thanks for the summary Rich.

		=20

		PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:

		(1) You think that there is a need for such solution,=20

		=20

		Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an =
inter-provider context.

		=20

		(2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)=20

		=20

		(3) You think that there is a need for both=20

		=20

		Answer to (2) and (3):

		It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as to =
ease interworking.

		IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will be =
loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.=20

		If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, particularly =
for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a =
large number of hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really =
vulnerable to DoS attacks.

		Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =
suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to the =
LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, sounds =
relevant and should be further investigated.

		=20

		Best Regards,

		=20

		JL

		=20

		=20

		=20

		=20

		Thanks.

		=20

		JP.

		=20

		On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:

	=09
	=09
	=09

		Hi,

		As suggested in Dallas, I've described some of the tradeoffs between =
the two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.

		-- Rich

		The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.=20

		In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by =
saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During =
the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.

		The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, =
which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).=20

		The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =
control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) =
the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =
applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size =
of objects added to existing messages.

		(1) Additional Control Message Overhead:

		The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =
receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the =
Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must =
request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional message =
exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does =
not require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS solution but no additional delay for the PRS solution.

		(2) PCE and LSR Performance:

		The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding =
overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS =
in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU =
intensive. Note that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large =
number of CPS may have an impact on the PCE response time.

		(3) Addition of State in the PCE:

		The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =
maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =
additional state.

		(4) Solution Scope:

		The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to =
encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution =
without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case =
where A's network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO =
for a segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.

		(5) Message Object Overhead:

		The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =
path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be returned by =
the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which =
contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the unencrypted =
PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if it is desirable =
to hide the number of hops within the network from external view by =
padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =
messages for the PRS solution.

		Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =
Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =
implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could choose =
to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, shifting the =
burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the =
performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be performed =
for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might =
be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two solutions.

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color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>Hi Richard,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006><FONT =
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color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>Please see inline,</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>De&nbsp;:</B> Rich Bradford (rbradfor) =

  [mailto:rbradfor@cisco.com] <BR><B>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</B> lundi 24 avril =
2006=20
  20:06<BR><B>=C0&nbsp;:</B> LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Jean =
Philippe Vasseur=20
  (jvasseur)<BR><B>Cc&nbsp;:</B> ccamp@ops.ietf.org;=20
  pce@ietf.org<BR><B>Objet&nbsp;:</B> RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption =
vs.=20
  Path Key Solutions for the CPSID.<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">JL,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks=20
  for the reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between multiple =
solutions when=20
  there are so many tradeoffs between the solutions.&nbsp;=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regarding =
the=20
  optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the unsolicited computed path =

  segment. &nbsp;It was a difficult choice whether or not to include a=20
  description of this in the original draft, since it is more complex. =
Which=20
  aspect of the optimization seemed most important? Was it that it=92s =
more=20
  efficient during LSP setup or because it could be used to shift the =
burden of=20
  maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?<FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>IMO&nbsp;the most important =
optimization=20
  is the gain in LSP setup time, which&nbsp;may be&nbsp;significant, and =
this is=20
  of particular&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>importance during end-to-end =
LSP=20
  restoration upon failure.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>Let's assume an inter-AS =
path=20
  computation with an AS-path length =3D =
N:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>-Without this optimization =
the LSP=20
  signaling time would be N* Intra-AS-RSVP-sig + N* LSR-PCE=20
  exchanges.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>-With this optimization the =
LSP=20
  signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>Hence the gain in signaling =
time is=20
  N*LSR-PCE exchanges.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>And&nbsp;the good thing =
is&nbsp;that the=20
  path computation time&nbsp;would not be impacted at all by this =
procedure as=20
  the PCE-LSR unsolicited notification is done in // with the BRPC=20
  procedure.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000><FONT=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><FONT=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><FONT=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>There may be one minor con:=20
  </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>During the BRPC you don't =
know a priori=20
  which path segment will finally be selected, hence you need to send =
the path=20
  segment&nbsp;to all ASBR LSRs&nbsp;connected to the upstream AS...but =
this is=20
  a minor issue, because there are not so many ASBRs connected to the =
upstream=20
  AS (two or three).&nbsp;You will have to&nbsp;remove the information =
on the=20
  ASBR&nbsp;if no Path message is received after the expiration of a=20
  timer...</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006>JL</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  =
class=3D837181812-27042006>&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></FONT><=
/P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks=20
  once again for your opinion. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Best=20
  Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;=20
  Rich<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: blue =
1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
  <DIV>
  <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">=20
  <st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address w:st=3D"on">LE ROUX Jean-Louis=20
  RD</st1:address></st1:Street>-CORE-LAN=20
  [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com] <BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, April 21, 2006 =
12:51=20
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Jean =
Philippe Vasseur=20
  (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> ccamp@ops.ietf.org;=20
  pce@ietf.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:=20
  [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the=20
  CPSID.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi JP,=20
  Richard</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Please see=20
  inline,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt =
3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: =
medium none">
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=3DFR =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
    <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
    </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DFR=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">De&nbsp;:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
    face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DFR=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> JP Vasseur=20
    [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com] <BR><B><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</SPAN></B> jeudi 6 avril =
2006=20
    14:52<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">=C0&nbsp;:</SPAN></B> =
Rich=20
    Bradford<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Cc&nbsp;:</SPAN></B>=20
    ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org<BR><B><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Objet&nbsp;:</SPAN></B> Re: [Pce] =
Comparison of=20
    Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the CPSID.</SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
    lang=3DFR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks for the summary=20
    Rich.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">PCE WG members: thanks to provide your =
feedback on=20
    whether:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(1) You think that there is a need for =
such=20
    solution,</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes =
definitely,=20
    confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider=20
    context.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(2) You would prefer one solution (which =
one and why=20
    ?)</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(3) You think that there is a need for=20
    both</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Answer to =
(2) and=20
    (3):</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It seems =
to me that=20
    we should end-up with a single solution so as to&nbsp;ease=20
    interworking.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">IMO&nbsp;in an=20
    inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will be loose=20
    anyway,&nbsp;so there&nbsp;will not be&nbsp;any confidentiality =
issue.=20
    </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If have =
some=20
    concerns&nbsp;regarding the cost of encryption, particularly for =
large paths=20
    (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a large number =
of=20
    hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really vulnerable to =
DoS=20
    attacks.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hence =
I&nbsp;would=20
    strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =
suggested,&nbsp;which=20
    consists of sending the computed path segment to the LSR in an =
unsolicited=20
    manner, just after the computation,&nbsp;sounds relevant and should =
be=20
    further investigated.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Best=20
    Regards,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">JL</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">JP.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford=20
    ((rbradfor)) wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE=20
    name=3D"City"=20
    =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTY=
PE=20
    name=3D"place"=20
    =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags">Hi,<O:P></O:P=
><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As =
suggested in=20
    <ST1:CITY u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st=3D"on"><st1:City =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place=20
    w:st=3D"on">Dallas</st1:place></st1:City></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>, =
I=92ve=20
    described some of the tradeoffs between the two solutions described =
in=20
    =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></=
SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-- =

    Rich<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>The=20
    Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally=20
    valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route=20
    Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of the =
advantages and=20
    disadvantages of each solution. =
<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>In=20
    short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by =
saving it=20
    in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP =
setup,=20
    the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an=20
    expansion.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PRS solution=20
    allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, which may be =
done by a=20
    PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR =
for that=20
    AS must use a decryption key to obtain the expansion (implying an =
earlier=20
    exchange or configuration). <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>The=20
    major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =
control=20
    messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) the =
addition=20
    of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. applicability to =
various=20
    topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size of objects added to =
existing=20
    messages.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>(1)=20
    Additional Control Message =
Overhead:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS solution=20
    requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon receipt of the LSP =
setup=20
    request. Since the PCE which calculated the Path Key might not =
reside in the=20
    entry boundary LSR, the LSR must request the expansion from the PCE, =

    requiring an additional message exchange before LSP setup can =
proceed. The=20
    Path Encryption solution does not require this extra exchange =
between the=20
    PCE and the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key =
needs to=20
    be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional delay =
during=20
    every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional delay for the =
PRS=20
    solution.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>(2) PCE and LSR=20
    Performance:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS solution=20
    must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding overhead to the =
PCE. The=20
    PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS in the PCE and =
decryption of=20
    the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case =
of a=20
    burst of requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an =
impact on=20
    the PCE response time.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>(3)=20
    Addition of State in the =
PCE:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS solution=20
    requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of a =
database=20
    in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional=20
    state.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>(4) Solution=20
    Scope:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS and PRS=20
    solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to encode and =
decode the=20
    CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution without a PCE. This =

    prevents the PKS solution for working in the case where A's network=20
    straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO for a segment =
of the=20
    LSP across the intervening network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In =
addition,=20
    the PRS could be used to record a CPS even if the path (and =
therefore the=20
    returned RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution =
could be=20
    adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =
PATHTEARs, while=20
    keeping the failure location confidential from LSRs without a =
decryption=20
    key. Currently privacy of this source is maintained by returning the =
address=20
    of border nodes, which can be very=20
    misleading.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>(5)=20
    Message Object Overhead:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS solution=20
    provides a very compact key or token to identify a path segment, =
which=20
    generally allows for smaller EROs to be returned by the PCE and to =
be=20
    requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which contains a CPS =
must=20
    generally be at least as large as the unencrypted PATH through the =
AS and=20
    may be significantly larger if it is desirable to hide the number of =
hops=20
    within the network from external view by padding the PRS. The result =
is=20
    potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS=20
    solution.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>Please note that the =
tradeoffs=20
    listed here are for the current I-D. Some of the shortcomings of =
each=20
    approach could be mitigated by implementation-specific =
optimizations. For=20
    example, a PCE could choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry =

    boundary LSR, shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to =
the LSR=20
    and eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar =
exchange=20
    could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a =
separate key=20
    exchange. These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the =
ID, but=20
    might be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two=20
    solutions.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
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Hi Jean-Louis,

On Apr 27, 2006, at 9:21 AM, LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> Please see inline,
>
> De : Rich Bradford (rbradfor) [mailto:rbradfor@cisco.com]
> Envoy=E9 : lundi 24 avril 2006 20:06
> =C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur)
> Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Objet : RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
> JL,
>
> Thanks for the reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between =20
> multiple solutions when there are so many tradeoffs between the =20
> solutions.
>
>
>
> Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the =20
> unsolicited computed path segment.  It was a difficult choice =20
> whether or not to include a description of this in the original =20
> draft, since it is more complex. Which aspect of the optimization =20
> seemed most important? Was it that it=92s more efficient during LSP =20=

> setup or because it could be used to shift the burden of =20
> maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?
>
>
> IMO the most important optimization is the gain in LSP setup time, =20
> which may be significant, and this is of particular
>
> importance during end-to-end LSP restoration upon failure.
>
> Let's assume an inter-AS path computation with an AS-path length =3D =
N:
>
> -Without this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* Intra-=20=

> AS-RSVP-sig + N* LSR-PCE exchanges.
>
> -With this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* Intra-AS-=20=

> RSVP-sig
>
> Hence the gain in signaling time is N*LSR-PCE exchanges.
>
> And the good thing is that the path computation time would not be =20
> impacted at all by this procedure as the PCE-LSR unsolicited =20
> notification is done in // with the BRPC procedure.
>
>
> There may be one minor con: During the BRPC you don't know a priori =20=

> which path segment will finally be selected, hence you need to send =20=

> the path segment to all ASBR LSRs connected to the upstream =20
> AS...but this is a minor issue, because there are not so many ASBRs =20=

> connected to the upstream AS (two or three). You will have to =20
> remove the information on the ASBR if no Path message is received =20
> after the expiration of a timer...
Agree, this is a temporary state ... that would have been maintained =20
by the PCE anyway.

Cheers.

JP.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks once again for your opinion.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>   Rich
>
>
>
> From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN =20
> [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM
> To: Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
>
>
> Hi JP, Richard
>
>
>
> Please see inline,
>
>
>
> De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]
> Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
> =C0 : Rich Bradford
> Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the summary Rich.
>
>
>
> PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
>
> (1) You think that there is a need for such solution,
>
>
>
> Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-=20
> provider context.
>
>
>
> (2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)
>
>
>
> (3) You think that there is a need for both
>
>
>
> Answer to (2) and (3):
>
> It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as =20
> to ease interworking.
>
> IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will =20=

> be loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.
>
> If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, =20
> particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =20
> applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, =20
> encryption approaches are really vulnerable to DoS attacks.
>
> Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =20
> suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to =20
> the LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, =20
> sounds relevant and should be further investigated.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> JP.
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As suggested in Dallas, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs =20
> between the two solutions described in draft-rbradfor-ccamp-=20
> confidential-segment-00.txt.
>
> -- Rich
>
> The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different =20
> but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution =20
> and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines =20
> a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.
>
> In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS =20
> by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. =20
> During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the =20
> PCE for an expansion.
>
> The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting =20
> it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the =20
> LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =20=

> obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).
>
> The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =20=

> control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, =20
> (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =20
> applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =20=

> size of objects added to existing messages.
>
> (1) Additional Control Message Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =20
> receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =20
> the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR =20
> must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =20
> message exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption =20
> solution does not require this extra exchange between the PCE and =20
> the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to =20=

> be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional =20
> delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional =20=

> delay for the PRS solution.
>
> (2) PCE and LSR Performance:
>
> The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys =20
> adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the =20
> encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =20
> LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =20
> requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on =20
> the PCE response time.
>
> (3) Addition of State in the PCE:
>
> The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =20
> maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =20
> additional state.
>
> (4) Solution Scope:
>
> The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE =20
> to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct =20
> solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working =20
> in the case where A's network straddles B's network and where A =20
> wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =20=

> network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be =20
> used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned =20
> RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be =20
> adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =20
> PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure location confidential from =20
> LSRs without a decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is =20
> maintained by returning the address of border nodes, which can be =20
> very misleading.
>
> (5) Message Object Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =20=

> path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be =20
> returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =20
> message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as =20
> large as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be =20
> significantly larger if it is desirable to hide the number of hops =20
> within the network from external view by padding the PRS. The =20
> result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS =20
> solution.
>
> Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =20=

> Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =20
> implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could =20
> choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =20
> shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =20
> eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar =20
> exchange could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need =20
> for a separate key exchange. These examples of extensions are =20
> beyond the scope of the ID, but might be useful when weighing the =20
> pros and cons of the two solutions.
>
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-khtml-left; "> RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key =
Solutions for the CPSID.</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 16.02px; text-align: -khtml-left; "></FONT><BR =
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color=3D"blue" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; ">JL,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"blue" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Thanks for the =
reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between multiple solutions when =
there are so many tradeoffs between the solutions.=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><O:P =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color:=
 rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; =
">Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the unsolicited =
computed path segment. =A0It was a difficult choice whether or not to =
include a description of this in the original draft, since it is more =
complex. Which aspect of the optimization seemed most important? Was it =
that it=92s more efficient during LSP setup or because it could be used =
to shift the burden of maintaining state from the PCE to the =
LSR?</SPAN><FONT size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; =
">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT =
size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT =
size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">IMO=A0the most important optimization is the gain in =
LSP setup time, which=A0may be=A0significant, and this is of =
particular=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">importance during end-to-end LSP restoration upon =
failure.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">Let's assume an inter-AS path computation with an =
AS-path length =3D N:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">-Without this =
optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* Intra-AS-RSVP-sig + N* =
LSR-PCE exchanges.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">-With this optimization =
the LSP signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">Hence the gain in =
signaling time is N*LSR-PCE =
exchanges.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">And=A0the good thing is=A0that the path computation =
time=A0would not be impacted at all by this procedure as the PCE-LSR =
unsolicited notification is done in // with the BRPC =
procedure.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000"><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT =
size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">There may be one minor con: =
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">During the BRPC you don't =
know a priori which path segment will finally be selected, hence you =
need to send the path segment=A0to all ASBR LSRs=A0connected to the =
upstream AS...but this is a minor issue, because there are not so many =
ASBRs connected to the upstream AS (two or three).=A0You will have =
to=A0remove the information on the ASBR=A0if no Path message is received =
after the expiration of a =
timer...</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN><=
/BLOCKQUOTE>Agree, this is a temporary state ... that would have been =
maintained by the PCE anyway.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Cheers.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>JP.<BR><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: =
0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; =
white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><BLOCKQUOTE =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
#0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><DIV class=3D"Section1"><DIV =
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8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
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text-indent: 8px; ">Regards,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
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8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
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class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">JL</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
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New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
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font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; =
"></O:P></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Thanks once again for your =
opinion.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"blue" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Best =
Regards,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"blue" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0 =
Rich</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium =
none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; =
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><DIV><DIV class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; " align=3D"center"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
text-align: center; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: =
center; "></SPAN><HR tabindex=3D"-1" align=3D"center" width=3D"100%" =
size=3D"2"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><B =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; font-weight: =
bold; "><FONT face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">From:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><ST1:STREET w:st=3D"on"><ST1:ADDRESS =
w:st=3D"on"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">LE ROUX Jean-Louis =
RD</SPAN></ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">-CORE-LAN [<A =
href=3D"mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com">mailto:jeanlouis.leroux=
@francetelecom.com</A>] </SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; =
font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM</SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">To:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Jean Philippe =
Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)</SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Cc:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> RE: [Pce] =
Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">Hi JP, Richard</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family:=
 Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">Please see inline,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1.5pt =
solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; " align=3D"center"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; "></SPAN><HR tabindex=3D"-1" =
align=3D"center" width=3D"100%" size=3D"2"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><B style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; "><FONT face=3D"Tahoma" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">De=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT =
face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> JP Vasseur [<A =
href=3D"mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com">mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com</A>] =
</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Envoy=E9=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> jeudi 6 avril =
2006 14:52</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">=C0=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Rich =
Bradford</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Cc=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Objet=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: [Pce] =
Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3D"FR"><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks for the summary Rich.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">PCE WG members: thanks to provide your =
feedback on whether:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) You think that there is a need for such =
solution,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Yes definitely, =
confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider =
context.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) You would prefer one solution (which one =
and why ?)</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">(3) You think that there is a need for =
both</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Answer to (2) and =
(3):</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">It seems to me that we =
should end-up with a single solution so as to=A0ease =
interworking.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">IMO=A0in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the =
paths will be loose anyway,=A0so there=A0will not be=A0any =
confidentiality issue.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">If have some concerns=A0regarding the cost of encryption, =
particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =
applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, encryption =
approaches are really vulnerable to DoS =
attacks.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Hence I=A0would =
strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization suggested,=A0which =
consists of sending the computed path segment to the LSR in an =
unsolicited manner, just after the computation,=A0sounds relevant and =
should be further investigated.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Best =
Regards,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">JL</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">JP.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford =
((rbradfor)) wrote:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><BR style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name=3D"City" =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYP=
E name=3D"place" =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; =
mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">As suggested in </SPAN><ST1:CITY =
u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:CITY w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE =
w:st=3D"on"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
">Dallas</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs between the =
two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">-- =
Rich</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The =
Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">In short: The =
PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by saving it in a =
database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PRS =
solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, which may =
be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, the =
ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The major =
differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional control =
messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) the =
addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. applicability =
to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size of objects =
added to existing messages.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) Additional =
Control Message Overhead:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon receipt of the =
LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the Path Key might not =
reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must request the expansion =
from the PCE, requiring an additional message exchange before LSP setup =
can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does not require this extra =
exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the =
decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it is changed. The result =
is additional delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no =
additional delay for the PRS solution.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; =
mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) PCE and LSR Performance:</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding overhead to =
the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS in the PCE =
and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note =
that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large number of CPS =
may have an impact on the PCE response time.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(3) Addition =
of State in the PCE:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of =
a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional =
state.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
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Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(4) Solution =
Scope:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS and =
PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to encode and =
decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution without a =
PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case where A's =
network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO for a =
segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; =
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16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(5) Message Object Overhead:</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a path =
segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be returned by the =
PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which =
contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the unencrypted =
PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if it is desirable =
to hide the number of hops within the network from external view by =
padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =
messages for the PRS solution.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
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Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Please note =
that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. Some of the =
shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =
implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could choose =
to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, shifting the =
burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the =
performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be performed =
for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might =
be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two =
solutions.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
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MPLS 2006 INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE=20
http://www.mpls2006.com=20
OCTOBER 15-18, 2006=20
WASHINGTON, DC=20
Reminder : one month left for the paper submission !!!
CALL FOR PRESENTATION=20
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MPLS 2006 (<http://www.mpls2006.com>), the 9th Annual International =
Conference on MPLS and Related Technologies, will be held on October 15 =
through 18, 2006, in Washington, DC. The Program Committee of MPLS2006 =
is soliciting presentation proposals for the conference. If you wish to =
suggest a particular topic for possible presentation at the event, =
please send a one page proposal (including speaker's contact =
information) to the attention of the Technical Program Committee at =
mpls2005-cfp@isocore.com by May 26, 2006.
This year's conference will include, but will not be limited to, the =
following=20
topics:=20
- MPLS in multi-area and multi-AS networks=20
- Point-to-multipoint MPLS and applications=20
- Supporting multicast in MPLS VPNs and for VPLS=20
- Single and Multi-hop Pseudowire placement, setup and management=20
- Providing QoS in MPLS networks=20
- MPLS network management=20
- OAM for MPLS networks=20
- MPLS in the Next Generation Network=20
- Voice over IP/MPLS=20
- IMS an IPTv over MPLS=20
- Triple-play applications on MPLS=20
- MPLS-enabled Advanced services and converged networks=20
- Interworking and migration for MPLS and GMPLS=20
- Multi-layer networks and integration with non-packet technologies=20
- Deploying, interworking and operating L2 and L3 MPLS VPNs=20
- MPLS deployment experience: scaling, performance and security=20
- Testing the technology: MPLS test tools and experience=20
- Protection, restoration and reliability=20
- Network processors for MPLS and GMPLS=20
- MPLS/GMPLS control plane resilience, scaling and robustness=20
- MPLS TE applications of the Path Computation Element (PCE)=20
- Motivations and requirements for extending MPLS into the access =
network=20
- MPLS and IPv6=20
The program committee is looking for original and unpublished work to =
continue the tradition initiated by this conference in 1998 of covering =
cutting-edge topics. Presentations addressing new technologies and =
operational experience are solicited from network equipment vendors, =
service providers, the research community, and government and enterprise =
users.
Renaud Moignard , Ph. D.=20
Head of R&D team - IP/MPLS networks
france telecom R&D / CORE/CPN
2, avenue Pierre Marzin, 22307 Lannion C=E9dex, France
Tel : +33 2 96 05 35 28 - Fax : +33 2 96 05 18 52
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">MPLS 2006 INTERNATIONAL =
CONFERENCE</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><A HREF=3D"http://www.mpls2006.com"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">http://www.mpls2006.com</FONT></U></A><FONT FACE=3D"Times New =
Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">OCTOBER 15-18, =
2006</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">WASHINGTON, DC</FONT><FONT =
FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT>

<BR><B><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Reminder : =
one month left for the paper submission !!!</FONT></B>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">CALL FOR =
PRESENTATION</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">MPLS 2006 (&lt;</FONT><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.mpls2006.com"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Courier New">http://www.mpls2006.com</FONT></U></A><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">&gt;), the 9th Annual International =
Conference on MPLS and Related Technologies, will be held on October 15 =
through 18, 2006, in Washington, DC. The Program Committee of MPLS2006 =
is soliciting presentation proposals for the conference. If you wish to =
suggest a particular topic for possible presentation at the event, =
please send a one page proposal (including speaker's contact =
information) to the attention of the Technical Program Committee at =
mpls2005-cfp@isocore.com by May 26, 2006.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">This year's conference will =
include, but will not be limited to, the following</FONT><FONT =
FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">topics:</FONT><FONT =
FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- MPLS in multi-area and =
multi-AS networks</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Point-to-multipoint MPLS =
and applications</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Supporting multicast in =
MPLS VPNs and for VPLS</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Single and Multi-hop =
Pseudowire placement, setup and management</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New =
Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Providing QoS in MPLS =
networks</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- MPLS network =
management</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- OAM for MPLS =
networks</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- MPLS in the Next Generation =
Network</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Voice over =
IP/MPLS</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- IMS an IPTv over =
MPLS</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Triple-play applications on =
MPLS</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- MPLS-enabled Advanced =
services and converged networks</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New =
Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Interworking and migration =
for MPLS and GMPLS</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Multi-layer networks and =
integration with non-packet technologies</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New =
Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Deploying, interworking and =
operating L2 and L3 MPLS VPNs</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- MPLS deployment experience: =
scaling, performance and security</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New =
Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Testing the technology: =
MPLS test tools and experience</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Protection, restoration and =
reliability</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Network processors for MPLS =
and GMPLS</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- MPLS/GMPLS control plane =
resilience, scaling and robustness</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New =
Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- MPLS TE applications of the =
Path Computation Element (PCE)</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- Motivations and =
requirements for extending MPLS into the access network</FONT><FONT =
FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- MPLS and IPv6</FONT><FONT =
FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">The program committee is looking =
for original and unpublished work to continue the tradition initiated by =
this conference in 1998 of covering cutting-edge topics. Presentations =
addressing new technologies and operational experience are solicited =
from network equipment vendors, service providers, the research =
community, and government and enterprise users.</FONT></P>

<P><B><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Renaud =
Moignard</FONT></B><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT><B></B><B></B><B> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" =
FACE=3D"Times New Roman">, Ph. D.</FONT></B><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Head of R&amp;D team - =
IP/MPLS networks</FONT><BR>
<B><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" FACE=3D"Times New Roman">france =
tele</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000" FACE=3D"Times New =
Roman">com</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> =
R&amp;D /</FONT></B><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000080" FACE=3D"Times New Roman">CORE/CPN</FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" FACE=3D"Times New Roman">2, avenue Pierre =
Marzin, 22307 Lannion C=E9dex, France</FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Tel : +33 2 96 05 35 28 =
- Fax : +33 2 96 05 18 52</FONT><BR>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" FACE=3D"Times New Roman">e-mail : =
renaud.moignard@francetelecom.com</FONT>
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