From root@core3.amsl.com Thu Apr 1 07:15:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id D058D3A6912; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100401141501.D058D3A6912@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action:draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements-09.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:15:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF. Title : Inclusion of Manageability Sections in PCE Working Group Drafts Author(s) : A. Farrel Filename : draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements-09.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2010-04-01 It has often been the case that manageability considerations have been retrofitted to protocols after they have been specified, standardized, implemented, or deployed. This is sub-optimal. Similarly, new protocols or protocol extensions are frequently designed without due consideration of manageability requirements. The Operations Area has developed "Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols and Protocol Extensions" (RFC 5706), and those guidelines have been adopted by the PCE Working Group. Previously, the PCE Working Group used the recommendations contained in this document to guide authors of Internet-Drafts on the contents of "Manageability Considerations" sections in their work. This document is retained for historic reference. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements-09.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2010-04-01070313.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From jpv@cisco.com Thu Apr 1 07:59:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F043A699E for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:59:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.083 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.083 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.385, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QohMesy89QH7 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDB13A698F for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-2.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoYFAEZStEurR7Hu/2dsb2JhbACBPo4Ni3NxnGmZFoUBBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,348,1267401600"; d="scan'208,217";a="248959399" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Apr 2010 15:00:06 +0000 Received: from xbh-ams-101.cisco.com (xbh-ams-101.cisco.com [144.254.74.71]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o31F05oN017518 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 15:00:05 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-202.cisco.com ([144.254.231.96]) by xbh-ams-101.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 1 Apr 2010 17:00:04 +0200 Received: from dhcp-lyon-144-254-54-96.cisco.com ([144.254.54.96]) by xfe-ams-202.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 1 Apr 2010 17:00:04 +0200 Message-Id: <6E2CD745-820D-44F3-B7B3-F5E0831E9FE4@cisco.com> From: JP Vasseur To: pce@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-191--230974840 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 17:00:01 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2010 15:00:04.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[02E03A70:01CAD1AC] Subject: [Pce] Adopting draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements as historic RFC X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:59:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail-191--230974840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear WG, We had some discussion on the mailing to move forward from now on with RFC 5706 and request to adopt draft-ietf-pce-manageability- requirements as an historic RFC. There was a good consensus during the WG meeting in Anaheim but as usual let's confirm on the mailing list. If you are opposed to this approach, please let us know by April 9. Thanks. JP. --Apple-Mail-191--230974840 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Dear WG,

We had some discussion on the mailing to move forward from now on with RFC 5706 and request to adopt draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements as an historic RFC.

There was a good consensus during the WG meeting in Anaheim but as usual let's confirm on the mailing list.

If you are opposed to this approach, please let us know by April 9.

Thanks.

JP.
--Apple-Mail-191--230974840-- From adrian@olddog.co.uk Thu Apr 1 08:06:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6703A682F for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.818 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.818 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.650, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w8q905lg+7Em for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9BE3A6829 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o31F6Zop017934 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:06:40 +0100 Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o31F6J2F017798 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:06:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1BECB97F6785473580AEA00A2F7986A8@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <20100401141501.D058D3A6912@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:06:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action:draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements-09.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:06:21 -0000 Working group, As discussed in Anaheim, I updated this draft to set it up as Historic as the WG switches over to use RFC 5706. As far as I am concerned, the draft is now done and I'd be happy to see a last call. Comments are always welcome. Thanks, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:15 PM Subject: [Pce] I-D Action:draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements-09.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of > the IETF. > > > Title : Inclusion of Manageability Sections in PCE Working Group > Drafts > Author(s) : A. Farrel > Filename : draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements-09.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2010-04-01 > > It has often been the case that manageability considerations have > been retrofitted to protocols after they have been specified, > standardized, implemented, or deployed. This is sub-optimal. > Similarly, new protocols or protocol extensions are frequently > designed without due consideration of manageability requirements. > > The Operations Area has developed "Guidelines for Considering > Operations and Management of New Protocols and Protocol Extensions" > (RFC 5706), and those guidelines have been adopted by the PCE Working > Group. > > Previously, the PCE Working Group used the recommendations contained > in this document to guide authors of Internet-Drafts on the contents > of "Manageability Considerations" sections in their work. This > document is retained for historic reference. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements-09.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > From danli@huawei.com Thu Apr 1 17:13:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B2B3A6867 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 17:13:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.905 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.905 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.884, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9beYXXKyZMPz for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 17:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (szxga03-in.huawei.com [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1693A67B6 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 17:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L0800HXQ3BEIS@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for pce@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:14:02 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L08002V53BEIW@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for pce@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:14:02 +0800 (CST) Received: from l37133a ([10.70.77.72]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L08006HJ3BEW1@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for pce@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:14:02 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:14:04 +0800 From: Dan Li To: JP Vasseur , pce@ietf.org Message-id: <007f01cad1f9$67923f20$484d460a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_BWMgiDzNj2rPw1dKVjpWpQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6E2CD745-820D-44F3-B7B3-F5E0831E9FE4@cisco.com> Subject: Re: [Pce] Adopting draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements as historic RFC X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 00:13:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_BWMgiDzNj2rPw1dKVjpWpQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I support this draft to be adopted as an historic RFC. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: JP Vasseur To: pce@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 11:00 PM Subject: [Pce] Adopting draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements as historic RFC Dear WG, We had some discussion on the mailing to move forward from now on with RFC 5706 and request to adopt draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements as an historic RFC. There was a good consensus during the WG meeting in Anaheim but as usual let's confirm on the mailing list. If you are opposed to this approach, please let us know by April 9. Thanks. JP. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce --Boundary_(ID_BWMgiDzNj2rPw1dKVjpWpQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I support this draft to be adopted as an historic RFC.
 
Dan
 
----- Original Message -----
From: JP Vasseur
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Subject: [Pce] Adopting draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements as historic RFC

Dear WG,

We had some discussion on the mailing to move forward from now on with RFC 5706 and request to adopt draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements as an historic RFC.

There was a good consensus during the WG meeting in Anaheim but as usual let's confirm on the mailing list.

If you are opposed to this approach, please let us know by April 9.

Thanks.

JP.

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--Boundary_(ID_BWMgiDzNj2rPw1dKVjpWpQ)-- From julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com Fri Apr 16 08:46:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEAB3A683E for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:46:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.300, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x00kxn5W5W+u for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com [195.101.245.16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ECD3A67C2 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id C18C26FCC0B for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:46:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.192.128.46]) by p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD39C6FCC0A for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:46:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.192.128.44]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:46:15 +0200 Received: from [10.193.71.25] ([10.193.71.25]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:46:14 +0200 Message-ID: <4BC88646.7000805@orange-ftgroup.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:46:14 +0200 From: Julien Meuric Organization: France Telecom User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pce@ietf.org References: <6E2CD745-820D-44F3-B7B3-F5E0831E9FE4@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <6E2CD745-820D-44F3-B7B3-F5E0831E9FE4@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2010 15:46:14.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[F231B420:01CADD7B] Subject: Re: [Pce] Adopting draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements as historic RFC X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:46:23 -0000 Hi. * The consensus is confirmed: we will move forward by making draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements a historic RFC. Regards Julien* JP Vasseur wrote: > Dear WG, > > We had some discussion on the mailing to move forward from now on with > RFC 5706 and request to > adopt draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements as an historic RFC. > > There was a good consensus during the WG meeting in Anaheim but as > usual let's confirm on the mailing list. > > If you are opposed to this approach, please let us know by April 9. > > Thanks. > > JP. -- * Julien MEURIC* * Transport and Packet Networks* Tel : +33 296052828 Email: julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com France Telecom - 2 avenue Pierre Marzin - 22307 Lannion Cedex - France From julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com Fri Apr 16 10:07:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E7A3A67FA for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.650, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SRlDE796r5sM for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com [195.101.245.15]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACCD3A683E for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id CA2F28B808F for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:53:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.192.128.46]) by p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1328B813C for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:51:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.192.128.44]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:51:29 +0200 Received: from [10.193.71.25] ([10.193.71.25]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:51:29 +0200 Message-ID: <4BC87970.1010704@orange-ftgroup.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:51:28 +0200 From: Julien Meuric Organization: France Telecom User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pce@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2010 14:51:29.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BC7F1A0:01CADD74] Subject: [Pce] Anaheim Minutes X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:07:01 -0000 Hi all. As some of you may have noticed, the minutes of the PCE meeting in Anaheim have been on line for a few days: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/minutes/pce.htm If you like them, you should thank Dan, our secretary; if you do not, please contact the chairs and explain the issue: we will try to address it. Best regards, Julien From julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com Mon Apr 19 07:56:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FA63A6BD4 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:56:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.351 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kuafbc8xj7H1 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from r-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (r-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com [217.108.152.42]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C82128C271 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from r-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FD26A005FB for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:48:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.192.128.47]) by r-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077B9A005FA for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:48:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.192.128.44]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:48:16 +0200 Received: from [10.193.71.25] ([10.193.71.25]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:48:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4BCC6D2F.3070207@orange-ftgroup.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:48:15 +0200 From: Julien Meuric Organization: France Telecom User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pce@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2010 14:48:16.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[581620F0:01CADFCF] Subject: [Pce] Working Last Call: draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements-09 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:56:40 -0000 Hi all. This e-mail starts a 2-week WG last call on "draft-ietf-pce-manageability-requirements-09". It will end on Tuesday 4th May at noon GMT. Note that the intended status is "historic". Plesase send your comments to the PCE mailing list. Thanks Julien From root@core3.amsl.com Mon Apr 19 14:00:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 880A428C101; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100419210001.880A428C101@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action:draft-ietf-pce-pcep-p2mp-extensions-10.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 21:00:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF. Title : Extensions to the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) for Point-to-Multipoint Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths Author(s) : Q. Zhao, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-pce-pcep-p2mp-extensions-10.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2010-04-19 Point-to-point Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs) may be established using signaling techniques, but their paths may first need to be determined. The Path Computation Element (PCE) has been identified as an appropriate technology for the determination of the paths of P2MP TE LSPs. This document describes extensions to the PCE communication Protocol (PCEP) to handle requests and responses for the computation of paths for P2MP TE LSPs. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-p2mp-extensions-10.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-pce-pcep-p2mp-extensions-10.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2010-04-19135314.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From daniel@olddog.co.uk Mon Apr 19 15:27:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CBDD3A6938 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:27:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.817 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.817 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.782, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N-tsA3dXUaLr for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.159]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5B23A68D7 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o3JMRHe3019904 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:27:22 +0100 Received: from Serenity (88-97-23-122.dsl.zen.co.uk [88.97.23.122]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o3JMRGE4019898 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:27:17 +0100 From: "Daniel King" To: References: <20100419210001.880A428C101@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20100419210001.880A428C101@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:27:17 +0100 Message-ID: <00d301cae00f$7879cd20$696d6760$@co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcrgA0T2i3Qjce08S564b91vGAXjvwAC8yCQ Content-Language: en-gb Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action:draft-ietf-pce-pcep-p2mp-extensions-10.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:27:45 -0000 Hi All, The authors of draft-ietf-pce-pcep-p2mp-extensions-10 recently submitted a new version of our document to address some IETF Last Call and IANA comments. The main changes were the IANA updates below: - Section 3.16 PCEP NO-PATH Indicator The NO-PATH object bit has been updated from "0x24" to "bit 24" http://www.iana.org/assignments/pcep/pcep.xml#pcep-tlv-type-indicators - Section 3.3.2 P2MP END-POINTS Object We have now added two new END-POINTS Object-Types for Object-Class 4 (END-POINTS) in our IANA Considerations http://www.iana.org/assignments/pcep/pcep.xml#pcep-objects - Section 6.5 PCEP Objects Since the last version of our draft we have noticed another document has been assigned the previous PCEP Object-Class values we requested (25, 26, 27 and 28) so we have updated our draft accordingly. We also updated the text, we underline that we are requesting four new PCE Object-Classes and eight new Object-Types. http://www.iana.org/assignments/pcep/pcep.xml#pcep-objects - Section 6.8 SVEC Object Flag Field We documented our request in the IANA considerations section of our document. Specifically we have requested two new bits in the SVEC Object Flag field. http://www.iana.org/assignments/pcep/pcep.xml#svec-object-flag-field - Section 3.1 PCE P2MP Capability We have cleaned up our text and requested a new OSPF Capability Flag to be used to indicate P2MP path computation capability. http://www.iana.org/assignments/ospfv2-parameters/ospfv2-parameters.xhtml#os pfv2-parameters-14 Br, Dan & co-authors. -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: 19 April 2010 22:00 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-pce-pcep-p2mp-extensions-10.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF. Title : Extensions to the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) for Point-to-Multipoint Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths Author(s) : Q. Zhao, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-pce-pcep-p2mp-extensions-10.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2010-04-19 Point-to-point Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs) may be established using signaling techniques, but their paths may first need to be determined. The Path Computation Element (PCE) has been identified as an appropriate technology for the determination of the paths of P2MP TE LSPs. This document describes extensions to the PCE communication Protocol (PCEP) to handle requests and responses for the computation of paths for P2MP TE LSPs. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-p2mp-extensions-10.t xt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From db3546@att.com Fri Apr 23 11:07:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69A13A6A3E; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:07:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.300, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id piTZIqJ5T2R8; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail167.messagelabs.com (mail167.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417463A6A00; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:07:18 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: db3546@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-167.messagelabs.com!1272046026!28719199!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.4; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.146] Received: (qmail 24888 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2010 18:07:07 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.146) by server-7.tower-167.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 23 Apr 2010 18:07:07 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3NI6o9t008618; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:06:50 -0400 Received: from gaalpa1msgusr7e.ugd.att.com (gaalpa1msgusr7e.ugd.att.com [135.53.26.19]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3NI6i0Q008321; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:06:45 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:06:58 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re. MPLS 2010 Conference - Call for Presentation Abstracts Extended Thread-Index: AcrjDL+SiZqfI//FQ8WKrxj3F1gDPgAAlMiQ From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS)" To: "CCAMP" , Subject: [Pce] Re. MPLS 2010 Conference - Call for Presentation Abstracts Extended X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:07:19 -0000 FYI -=20 -----Original Message----- From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew G. Malis Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:45 PM To: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] MPLS 2010 Conference - Call for Presentation AbstractsExtended Note that the deadline for abstract submissions has been extended to April 30. Cheers, Andy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andrew G. Malis Date: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:39 PM Subject: MPLS 2010 Conference - Call for Presentation Abstracts To: mpls@ietf.org The MPLS 2010 International Conference, the 13th Annual International Conference on MPLS and Related Technologies, will be held October 24 - 27, 2010, in Washington, DC. The Technical Program Committee is soliciting abstracts summarizing a proposed presentation representing original/unpublished work covering cutting-edge topics. Presentations covering new technologies and operational experience are solicited from network equipment vendors, service/transport providers, government agencies, the research community, and enterprise users. The deadline for submission of presentation proposals is April 23, 2010. If you want further information on MPLS 2010 or want to submit a presentation abstract, please see the following URL: http://www.isocore.com/mpls2010/call_for_papers/cfp.htm Many of these topics have been of interest to members of the MPLS WG in the past, and several people active in the working group have been presenters at past events. Regards and thanks, Andy Malis Co-chair, Technical Program Committee - MPLS 2010 Conference From giomarti@cisco.com Tue Apr 27 08:59:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5AB3A6C85 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:59:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.207, BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AE8rNTW0-Jzu for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693603A691F for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: ams-iport-2.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjQCAHum1kuQ/uCWiWdsb2JhbACQPowQFQEBAQoLEREGHKZXmiWFDgQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,280,1270425600"; d="scan'208,217";a="6304457" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2010 15:19:01 +0000 Received: from [144.254.172.235] (mnza1-dhcp-vl250-144-254-172-235.cisco.com [144.254.172.235]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3RFtqWO004871 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:55:52 GMT Message-ID: <4BD7097F.2060804@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:57:51 +0200 From: Giovanni Martinelli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100305 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pce@ietf.org References: <4BABFE40.3020905@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4BABFE40.3020905@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090506070704030502020804" Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-lee-pce-wson-signal-compatibility-01 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:59:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090506070704030502020804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, ... any thought here? Thx G On 03/26/2010 01:22 AM, Giovanni Martinelli wrote: > Hi authors/all, > > I have a somewhat basic question regarding the draft: are those > information necessary in a protocol like pcep? > > I mean, signal compatibility info are important (and we all agree on > that) but those parameters are already in > draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-01(and probably some > other info will come from additional ospf companion drafts) so I would > expect a PCE already get knowledge of those so... I miss why we need > to convey same info through pcep. > > Cheers > G > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > --------------090506070704030502020804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

... any thought here?

Thx
G

On 03/26/2010 01:22 AM, Giovanni Martinelli wrote:
Hi authors/all,

I have a somewhat basic question regarding the draft: are those information necessary in a protocol like pcep?

I mean, signal compatibility info are important (and we all agree on that) but those parameters are already in draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-01(and probably some other info will come from additional ospf companion drafts) so I would expect a PCE already get knowledge of those so...  I miss  why we need to convey same info through pcep.

Cheers
G




 

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