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Hi Ramon,

just for my understanding...

On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:51 , Ramon Casellas <ramon.casellas@cttc.es<mailto:ram=
on.casellas@cttc.es>>
 wrote:

Another use case (very particular to mu interests) is when I want to ask th=
e PCE to perform routing and spectrum assignment. I want the PCE to compute=
 a path of a given spectrum width, to pre-establish it. the width is given =
by the corresponding OTS / slot, and the actual client signal mapping is un=
known, and will depend on the modulation format and FEC. I don't know what =
bandwdith I would convey in the message.

What exactly inputs you have to your CSFP and what the output you expect?


cheers
G

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Hi Ramon,
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<div>just for my understanding...</div>
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<div>On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:51 , Ramon Casellas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ramon.c=
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 of a given spectrum width, to pre-establish it. the width is given by the =
corresponding OTS / slot, and the
 actual client signal mapping is unknown, and will depend on the modulation=
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<div>What exactly inputs you have to your CSFP and what the output you expe=
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<div>cheers</div>
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On 08/01/2013 09:17 AM, Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti) wrote:
>
>> Another use case (very particular to mu interests) is when I want to 
>> ask the PCE to perform routing and spectrum assignment. I want the 
>> PCE to compute a path of a given spectrum width, to pre-establish it. 
>> the width is given by the corresponding OTS / slot, and the actual 
>> client signal mapping is unknown, and will depend on the modulation 
>> format and FEC. I don't know what bandwdith I would convey in the 
>> message.
>

> What exactly inputs you have to your CSFP and what the output you expect?

We are still working on that, so take this as a "preliminary" answer :-) 
Without discarding more complex inputs / outputs, at the bare minimum, 
assuming all / most paths are pre-qualified, I would expect the 
following use case:

- A NMS (sorry, now I should say SDN controller :P) acting as a PCC 
sends a request for a network media channel; the request contains the 
endpoints that identify the nodes/transceivers and somehow conveys 
(TSPEC?) that I want a pipe - media channel of "100 GHz". The PCE would 
then perform RSA and return the ERO and, for example, explicit label 
control in which at each hop I have the outgoing frequency slot. If the 
PCC requested a given TSPEC, that would be easy to implement with the 
"m" paramenters. If the PCE has allocated a bigger media channel (for 
some reason) it should return the allocated "m", which hopefully wll be 
 >= requested m. This is in the spirit of the "separation of concerns" 
that we are not focussing on the signal mapping Signal > media layer.

This does not preclude that we may end up thinking of more complex 
scenarios where the PCE assigns also the modulation format / number of 
subcarriers, etc. etc. but this is yet to be seen, and a bit too early I 
guess.

Thanks
R.


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              particular to mu interests) is when I want to ask the PCE
              to perform routing and spectrum assignment. I want the PCE
              to compute a path of a given spectrum width, to
              pre-establish it. the width is given by the corresponding
              OTS / slot, and the actual client signal mapping is
              unknown, and will depend on the modulation format and FEC.
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      <div>What exactly inputs you have to your CSFP and what the output
        you expect?</div>
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    <br>
    We are still working on that, so take this as a "preliminary" answer
    :-) Without discarding more complex inputs / outputs, at the bare
    minimum, assuming all / most paths are pre-qualified, I would expect
    the following use case:<br>
    <br>
    - A NMS (sorry, now I should say SDN controller :P) acting as a PCC
    sends a request for a network media channel; the request contains
    the endpoints that identify the nodes/transceivers and somehow
    conveys (TSPEC?) that I want a pipe - media channel of "100 GHz".
    The PCE would then perform RSA and return the ERO and, for example,
    explicit label control in which at each hop I have the outgoing
    frequency slot. If the PCC requested a given TSPEC, that would be
    easy to implement with the "m" paramenters. If the PCE has allocated
    a bigger media channel (for some reason) it should return the
    allocated "m", which hopefully wll be &gt;= requested m. This is in
    the spirit of the "separation of concerns" that we are not focussing
    on the signal mapping Signal &gt; media layer.<br>
    <br>
    This does not preclude that we may end up thinking of more complex
    scenarios where the PCE assigns also the modulation format / number
    of subcarriers, etc. etc. but this is yet to be seen, and a bit too
    early I guess.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks<br>
    R.<br>
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All,

Following Young presentation,  a question was raised regarding the WA 
object, and the Wavelength restriction TLV, and how it related to the 
use of XRO and IRO objects.

We believe that the use of the WA object and one (or more) TLVs provides 
the flexibility to include and exclude wavelengths on a per link (set) 
basis. We acknowledge that this is quite WSON specific, given the global 
significance of labels in transparent segments. When trying to see 
whether the use of XRO/IRO would be enough, we came up with a few 
restrictions:

- Right now, there is no way to convey a labelset. We have LABEL 
sub-object for ?RO objects, but no LABEL_SET, sub-object although this 
could change in the future. A LABEL_SET would sub-object nonetheless be 
restricted by size.

- Without a LABEL_SET subobject, if we want to restrict to a set of 
labels, we are forced to list all of them in the XRO/IRO. The encoding 
is less efficient and we could reach the 8-bit ?RO subobject limit.

- There is no way in XRO to state I want to exclude these labels at a 
given link.

Comments are most welcome.

Thanks and best regards
Ramon



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Hi,

On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:33 , Ramon Casellas <ramon.casellas@cttc.es>
 wrote:

> All,
>=20
> Following Young presentation,  a question was raised regarding the WA obj=
ect, and the Wavelength restriction TLV, and how it related to the use of X=
RO and IRO objects.
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> We believe that the use of the WA object and one (or more) TLVs provides =
the flexibility to include and exclude wavelengths on a per link (set) basi=
s. We acknowledge that this is quite WSON specific, given the global signif=
icance of labels in transparent segments.

"local significance but global semantic" this was a sentence from a gmpls g=
uru a while ago ... (but ,since I'm getting older, my memory MTBF increase)=
 ;)

Anyway, first clarification question, you mention transparent segment and a=
t the same time you need such fine wavelength assignement... am I missing s=
omething?

Cheers
G


> When trying to see whether the use of XRO/IRO would be enough, we came up=
 with a few restrictions:
>=20
> - Right now, there is no way to convey a labelset. We have LABEL sub-obje=
ct for ?RO objects, but no LABEL_SET, sub-object although this could change=
 in the future. A LABEL_SET would sub-object nonetheless be restricted by s=
ize.
>=20
> - Without a LABEL_SET subobject, if we want to restrict to a set of label=
s, we are forced to list all of them in the XRO/IRO. The encoding is less e=
fficient and we could reach the 8-bit ?RO subobject limit.
>=20
> - There is no way in XRO to state I want to exclude these labels at a giv=
en link.
>=20
> Comments are most welcome.
>=20
> Thanks and best regards
> Ramon
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On 08/01/2013 09:44 AM, Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti) wrote:
>
> "local significance but global semantic" this was a sentence from a gmpls guru a while ago ... (but ,since I'm getting older, my memory MTBF increase) ;)
>
> Anyway, first clarification question, you mention transparent segment and at the same time you need such fine wavelength assignement... am I missing something?
Giovanni, all

Good point, I was quite happy to have end-to-end labels constraints in 
the "LSC LSP", but IIRC (I am also getting old) this was added to 
address the fact that, in WSON  (unlike pure OCh switching, one could 
guess..), you can have 3R allowing for label swapping and thus that the 
LSC LSP has several transparent segments so the WA should allow 
restricting wavelengths on a per segment basis (e.g. to reflect 
transceiver limitations?). Of course, this does not mean that you can 
just skip the link set object and just add the end-to-end restriction

That said, if it seems that the requirement is unneeded we could think 
about it. This still does not solve the problem of efficient encoding, 
imho. If you are still around Young and myself would be happy to talk 
about it.

R.


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Support!

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On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Julien Meuric <julien.meuric@orange.com>wrote:

> Hi all.
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> Following the poll in the room during yesterday meeting, we would like to
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> draft-zhang-pce-stateful-pce-**app-04 as a foundation for a WG document?
>
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> latter, comments would be useful).
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> JP & Julien
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On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Julien Meuric <julien.meuric@orange.com>wrote:

> Hi again.
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> draft-zhang-pce-hierarchy-**extensions-04 as a foundation for a WG
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Folks,

I think this is good start and should be made a wg doc.

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Yes, I support this as a WG document.
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Support.

Yosuke

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El 01/08/13 11:30, "Julien Meuric" <julien.meuric@orange.com> escribi=F3:

>Hi again.
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>Following the poll in the room during yesterday meeting, we would like
>to get the feedback of the mailing list: do you support
>draft-zhang-pce-hierarchy-extensions-04 as a foundation for a WG document?
>
>Please express your support or opposition on the PCE mailing list (for
>the latter, comments would be useful).
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>Regards,
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>JP & Julien
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Yes, support.

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Hi,=20

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Support (as co-author)

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Subject: [Pce] Poll for Adoption of draft-zhang-pce-stateful-pce-app-04

Hi all.

Following the poll in the room during yesterday meeting, we would like to g=
et the feedback of the mailing list: do you support
draft-zhang-pce-stateful-pce-app-04 as a foundation for a WG document?

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Hi,
	I'm trying to figure out where the scope of this draft might end up.
Do you think its scope will just be limited to (a) PCEP clarifications
or will it also cover both (b) RBNF clarifications & changes?

If it's (a) & (b) then it probably makes most sense to break each into
their own documents as RBNF clarifications & changes have applicability
beyond PCE, i.e., RSVP and RSVP-TE.

Lou

PS I think you're wrong on Exclusive Rules.  For example:
- when two options are mutually exclusive
 <option-list>::=<option1>|<option2>
-  and at least one is mandatory
 <message>:= <...>
             <option-list>
             <...>

-  and both are optional
 <message>:= <...>
             [<option-list>]
             <...>



On 7/8/2013 11:58 AM, Ramon Casellas wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> "Encouraged" by our beloved WG co-chair Julien ;-) we have submitted a
> new I-D that discusses the issues that we have recently mentioned in the
> list, concerning the implementation of a set of PCEP extensions and the
> problems we have identified (such as Errata, object ordering and naming
> issues, lack of consistency, ambiguous grammars, etc.).
> 
> Although the final objective would be to facilitate interoperability and
> to clarify the integration of independent normative documents by
> publishing an informational document, right now our main goal is to
> document the identified issues in published RFCs (and other also
> relevant drafts), and to clearly state the motivations behind this work.
> We have requested a 5 min slot to present them to the working group and
> to get feedback about WG potential interest.
> 
> Note that, although there are already some suggestions within the
> document, our intention is to include get feedback by other implementors
> and work towards an agreement about the suggested RBNF notation.
> 
> Feedback and comments welcome,
> 
> Thanks and best regards
> Ramon of behalf of authors and contributors.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Mensaje original --------
> Asunto: 	New Version Notification for draft-cmfg-pce-pcep-grammar-00.txt
> Fecha: 	Mon, 08 Jul 2013 02:36:37 -0700
> De: 	internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Para: 	Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
> <ogondio@tid.es>, Cyril Margaria <cyril.margaria@coriant.com>, Ramon
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> 
> 
> 
> A new version of I-D, draft-cmfg-pce-pcep-grammar-00.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Ramon Casellas and posted to the
> IETF repository.
> 
> Filename:	 draft-cmfg-pce-pcep-grammar
> Revision:	 00
> Title:		 Current issues with existing RBNF notation for PCEP messages and extensions
> Creation date:	 2013-07-08
> Group:		 Individual Submission
> Number of pages: 17
> URL:             http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cmfg-pce-pcep-grammar-00.txt
> Status:          http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cmfg-pce-pcep-grammar
> Htmlized:        http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cmfg-pce-pcep-grammar-00
> 
> 
> Abstract:
>    The PCEP protocol has been defined in [RFC5440] and later extended in
>    several RFCs.  This document aims at documenting inconsistencies when
>    implementing a set of extensions and at providing a reference,
>    complete and formal RBNF grammar for PCEP messages, including object
>    ordering and precedence rules.
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Lou, all

Please see inline


On 08/01/2013 04:23 PM, Lou Berger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If it's (a) & (b) then it probably makes most sense to break each into
> their own documents as RBNF clarifications & changes have applicability
> beyond PCE, i.e., RSVP and RSVP-TE.
Undecided. Talking to Adrian as the main author of the RBNF RFC, the 
idea is that if PCEP work justifies extending RBNF for convenience, 
there could be a RBNFbis


> Lou
>
> PS I think you're wrong on Exclusive Rules.  For example:
> - when two options are mutually exclusive
>   <option-list>::=<option1>|<option2>
ok
> -  and at least one is mandatory
>   <message>:= <...>
>               <option-list>
[Ramon] Did you miss repetition here? <option-list>...  if yes, that 
allows option1 or option2 to be repeated more than once . If no, we want 
to allow option1 followed by option2
In other words, exclusive or is not mutually exclusive, it's a or b or a 
followed by b

>               <...>
>
> -  and both are optional
>   <message>:= <...>
>               [<option-list>]
>               <...>
[Ramon]

The idea is
a || b = <a> | <b> | <a><b>
<a> || <b> || <c> = <a> | <b> | <c> | <a> <b> | <a> <c> | <b> <c> | <a> 
<b> <c>

For example
<path> ::= <ERO> [ <attributes> ]
<attributes> ::= <at1> || <at2> || <at3> || ..
if one of them can be repeated then introduce a list <at4-list>. This 
guarantees order also

Thanks
R.




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Yes , I support .

BR
Sergio

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Hi all.

Following the poll in the room during yesterday meeting, we would like=20
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> [Ramon] Did you miss repetition here? <option-list>...  if yes, that 
> allows option1 or option2 to be repeated more than once . If no, we 
> want to allow option1 followed by option2
> In other words, exclusive or is not mutually exclusive, it's a or b or 
> a followed by b
Err: I meant "sequential or"


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Ramon,

couple of  questions here:
On Aug 1, 2013, at 16:44 , Ramon Casellas <ramon.casellas@cttc.es> wrote:

> The idea is
> a || b =3D <a> | <b> | <a><b>
> <a> || <b> || <c> =3D <a> | <b> | <c> | <a> <b> | <a> <c> | <b> <c> | <a>=
 <b> <c>

1/ oder is important (<a> || <b> is different from <b> || <a>)?

2/ repetitions are not allowed, right? I mean,  one of the resulting combin=
ations of <a> || <b> cannot contain twice the the same term =20

cheers
G=

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On 08/02/2013 10:36 AM, Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti) wrote:
> 1/ oder is important (<a> || <b> is different from <b> || <a>)? 
Yes; imho it is inline with default RBNF behavior regarding ordering
> 2/ repetitions are not allowed, right? I mean, one of the resulting 
> combinations of <a> || <b> cannot contain twice the the same term 
> cheers G 
Correct; although allowing repetitions is trivial, introducing a list, 
provided that your intent is to have repetition grouped, e.g.;

<path> ::= <ERO> (<BANDWIDTH> || <metric-list> || <Z>...)

ERO - BANDWIDTH - Z  or ERO - METRIC - METRIC - METRIC  are successfully 
parsed

Thanks
R.


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On Thursday, August 1, 2013, Julien Meuric wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> Following the poll in the room during yesterday meeting, we would like to
> get the feedback of the mailing list: do you support
> draft-zhang-pce-stateful-pce-**app-04 as a foundation for a WG document?
>
> Please express your support or opposition on the PCE mailing list (for the
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> JP & Julien
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Support.<span></span>.<div>Best,</div><div>Ravi<br><br>On Thursday, August 1, 2013, Julien Meuric  wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all.<br>

<br>
Following the poll in the room during yesterday meeting, we would like to get the feedback of the mailing list: do you support draft-zhang-pce-stateful-pce-<u></u>app-04 as a foundation for a WG document?<br>
<br>
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<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
JP &amp; Julien<br>
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Support, as coauthor,

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> Hi again.
>
> Following the poll in the room during yesterday meeting, we would like to=
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>
> Please express your support or opposition on the PCE mailing list (for th=
e latter, comments would be useful).
>
> Regards,
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> JP & Julien
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Support, as contributor,

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Here is the update of DNS based PCE discovery based on the discussion we ha=
d during the Berlin PCE session.
Thanks Diego, Dhruv and Dan for providing inputs.
The diff is:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02

The main changes are we add two new co-authors and update the motivation se=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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	Title           : Path Computation Element (PCE) Discovery using Domain Na=
me System(DNS)
	Author(s)       : Qin Wu
                          Dhruv Dhody
                          Daniel King
                          Diego R. Lopez
	Filename        : draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2013-08-11

Abstract:
   Discovery of the Path Computation Element (PCE) within an IGP area or
   routing domain is possible using OSPF [RFC5088] and IS-IS [RFC5089].
   However, in some deployment scenarios PCEs may not wish, or be able,
   to participate within the IGP process, therefore it would be
   beneficial for the Path Computation Client (PCC) (or other PCEs) to
   discover PCEs via an alternative mechanism to those proposed in
   [RFC5088] and [RFC5089].

   This document specifies the requirements, use cases, procedures and
   extensions to support discovery via DNS for PCE.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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Support as co-author.

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I support

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Hi.

The support seems clear. Authors, you may submit the same document as 
draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-app-00.

Cheers,

JP & Julien


On 08/01/2013 11:28, Julien Meuric wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Following the poll in the room during yesterday meeting, we would like 
> to get the feedback of the mailing list: do you support 
> draft-zhang-pce-stateful-pce-app-04 as a foundation for a WG document?
>
> Please express your support or opposition on the PCE mailing list (for 
> the latter, comments would be useful).
>
> Regards,
>
> JP & Julien


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Hi.

The support seems clear. Authors, you may submit the same document as 
draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-00.

Cheers,

JP & Julien


On 08/01/2013 11:30, Julien Meuric wrote:
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>
> Following the poll in the room during yesterday meeting, we would like 
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> draft-zhang-pce-hierarchy-extensions-04 as a foundation for a WG 
> document?
>
> Please express your support or opposition on the PCE mailing list (for 
> the latter, comments would be useful).
>
> Regards,
>
> JP & Julien
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	Title           : Applicability of Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE)
	Author(s)       : Xian Zhang
                          Ina Minei
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-app-00.txt
	Pages           : 24
	Date            : 2013-08-15

Abstract:
   A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information about
   Label Switched Path (LSP) characteristics and resource usage within a
   network in order to provide traffic engineering calculations for its
   associated Path Computation Clients (PCCs).  This document describes
   general considerations for a stateful PCE deployment and examines its
   applicability and benefits through a number of use cases.  Path
   Computation Element Protocol (PCEP) extensions required for stateful
   PCE usage are covered in separate documents.


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	Title           : Extensions to Path Computation Element Communication Pro=
tocol (PCEP) for Hierarchical Path Computation Elements (PCE)
	Author(s)       : Fatai Zhang
                          Quintin Zhao
                          Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
                          Ramon Casellas
                          Daniel King
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-00.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2013-08-18

Abstract:
   The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture,
   defined in the companion framework document [RFC6805], provides a
   mechanism to allow the optimum sequence of domains to be selected,
   and the optimum end-to-end path to be derived through the use of a
   hierarchical relationship between domains.

   This document defines the Path Computation Element Protocol (PCEP)
   extensions for the purpose of implementing Hierarchical PCE
   procedures which are described in the aforementioned document. These
   extensions are experimental and published for examination,
   discussion, implementation, and evaluation.



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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Requirements for GMPLS applications of PCE'
  (draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-aps-req-09.txt) as Informational RFC

This document is the product of the Path Computation Element Working
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The IESG contact persons are Adrian Farrel and Stewart Bryant.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
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Technical Summary

   The initial effort of the PCE WG was specifically focused on MPLS
   (Multi-protocol label switching).  As a next step, this draft
   describes functional requirements for GMPLS (Generalized MPLS)
   application of PCE (Path computation element).

Working Group Summary

   No particular issue during WG processing. The I-D's scope was
   identified early in the WG's life, a solution document is available
   and almost completed.

   Note that the IPR disclosure that shows against this document was
   removed at the submitter's request (i.e., it is like it was never there).

Document Quality

   Since this is a requirements document, there are no existing
   implementations and no plans to implement.
  
Personnel

   Julien Meuric is the document shepherd.
   Adrian Farrel is the responsible Area Director.

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	Title           : PCEP Extensions for Stateful PCE
	Author(s)       : Edward Crabbe
                          Jan Medved
                          Ina Minei
                          Robert Varga
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-06.txt
	Pages           : 54
	Date            : 2013-08-20

Abstract:
   The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides
   mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path
   computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests.

   Although PCEP explicitly makes no assumptions regarding the
   information available to the PCE, it also makes no provisions for
   synchronization or PCE control of timing and sequence of path
   computations within and across PCEP sessions.  This document
   describes a set of extensions to PCEP to enable stateful control of
   MPLS-TE and GMPLS LSPs via PCEP.



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Following the adoption of the applicability draft as wg document, we remove=
d the use cases from draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-06. We also incorporated m=
ost of the comments received on version 05.

We expect to post another version before the next ietf, addressing any rema=
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Ina, Ed, Jan and Robert

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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 This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of=
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	Title           : PCEP Extensions for Stateful PCE
	Author(s)       : Edward Crabbe
                          Jan Medved
                          Ina Minei
                          Robert Varga
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-06.txt
	Pages           : 54
	Date            : 2013-08-20

Abstract:
   The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides
   mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path
   computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests.

   Although PCEP explicitly makes no assumptions regarding the
   information available to the PCE, it also makes no provisions for
   synchronization or PCE control of timing and sequence of path
   computations within and across PCEP sessions.  This document
   describes a set of extensions to PCEP to enable stateful control of
   MPLS-TE and GMPLS LSPs via PCEP.



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Hi,folks:
In Berlin meeting, one open issue we raised and discussed in the PCE WG=20
session is about the relationship between PCE domain and DNS domain.


The interesting questions related to this issue are=20

a.should DNS queries be based on domain name?=20

b. How do we look up PCE in AS200 or ISIS area 0?=20

c.Is there any mechanism to link the IGP area or AS to the DNS namespace.

To address this issue, we authors of this draft have a lot of private discu=
ssion
on this. My thought is PCE domain is totally different from
DNS domain name, one DNS domain name may be corresponding to one PCE domain=
 or=20
multiple PCE domains, one PCE domains may be also corresponding to
Multiple DNS domains.

RFC6120, section 3.2.4 mentions a method, which uses SRV record with an add=
 on service,=20
we can follow this example, add PCE domain (e.g.,AS200) as subdomain of DNS=
 domain name=20
(e.g.,AS200.example.com). When one DNS domain has multiple PCE domain, we c=
an support
multiple SRV record for the same DNS domain (e.g.,AS200.example.com, AS10.e=
xample.com,
ISIS.Area8.example.com associated with "example.com" DNS domain name).

In addition, section 5.1 of RFC6408 gives an example:
"
5.1.  Examples

   As an example, consider a client that wishes to discover a Diameter
   server in the ex1.example.com realm that supports the Credit Control
   application.  The client performs a NAPTR query for that domain, and
   the following NAPTR records are returned:

       ;;        order pref flags service   regexp replacement
       IN NAPTR  50    50   "s"   "aaa:diameter.sctp" ""
                    _diameter._sctp.ex1.example.com
       IN NAPTR  50    50   "s"   "aaa+ap1:diameter.sctp" ""
                    _diameter._sctp.ex1.example.com
       IN NAPTR  50    50   "s"   "aaa+ap4:diameter.sctp" ""
                    _diameter._sctp.ex1.example.com

"
So following this example, if we want to look up PCE server in the AS200,
we can have something like "pc+app1:pce.tcp",app1 is corresponding to
intra-AS application with  _pce._tcp.AS200.example.com as result.

Comments and suggestions are welcome.

Regards!
-Qin
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	Title           : Path Computation Element (PCE) Discovery using Domain Na=
me System(DNS)
	Author(s)       : Qin Wu
                          Dhruv Dhody
                          Daniel King
                          Diego R. Lopez
	Filename        : draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2013-08-11

Abstract:
   Discovery of the Path Computation Element (PCE) within an IGP area or
   routing domain is possible using OSPF [RFC5088] and IS-IS [RFC5089].
   However, in some deployment scenarios PCEs may not wish, or be able,
   to participate within the IGP process, therefore it would be
   beneficial for the Path Computation Client (PCC) (or other PCEs) to
   discover PCEs via an alternative mechanism to those proposed in
   [RFC5088] and [RFC5089].

   This document specifies the requirements, use cases, procedures and
   extensions to support discovery via DNS for PCE.


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Hi,folks:
In the current DNS based PCE discovery draft, we use NAPTR to lookup PCE se=
rvice=20
and query SRV record and AAA record for a DNS domain name. In the draft, we=
 only=20
uses NAPTR flags 'a','s', "replacement expression", "regular expression" is=
 not used.

The S-NAPTR procedure i.e., the "Straightforward-NAPTR" procedure, is defin=
ed in=20
IETF RFC 3958 and describes a Dynamic Delegation Discovery System (DDDS) ap=
plication
 procedures on how to resolve a domain name, application service name, and =
application
 protocol dynamically to target server and port by using both NAPTR and SRV=
 resource=20
records. The S-NAPTR simplifies the use of NAPTR by limiting the NAPTR flag=
s only=20
to "a", "s" and "".

Comparing with using NAPTR, S-NAPTR requires only a subset of NAPTR strictl=
y bound=20
to domain names, without making use of the REGEXP field of NAPTR and make c=
lient=20
resolution process much more predictable and efficient since multiple level=
s of=20
redirection by using the "" flag and REGEXP field may lead to a deep chaini=
ng of=20
resource records over time in the DNS configuration.

In addition, some sadi that S-NATPR enables DNS lookup of services by using=
=20
resource names while NAPTR by domain name, when using resource name
We don't need to follow domain name syntax.

Therefore I think using resource name is more flexible than using domain na=
me=20
and it is better for this draft to base on S-NAPTR specification [RFC3958]=
=20
instead of following NAPTR defined in RFC3403.

Any comments or opinions?

Regards!
-Qin
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	Title           : Path Computation Element (PCE) Discovery using Domain Na=
me System(DNS)
	Author(s)       : Qin Wu
                          Dhruv Dhody
                          Daniel King
                          Diego R. Lopez
	Filename        : draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2013-08-11

Abstract:
   Discovery of the Path Computation Element (PCE) within an IGP area or
   routing domain is possible using OSPF [RFC5088] and IS-IS [RFC5089].
   However, in some deployment scenarios PCEs may not wish, or be able,
   to participate within the IGP process, therefore it would be
   beneficial for the Path Computation Client (PCC) (or other PCEs) to
   discover PCEs via an alternative mechanism to those proposed in
   [RFC5088] and [RFC5089].

   This document specifies the requirements, use cases, procedures and
   extensions to support discovery via DNS for PCE.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02

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Hi Qin, 

Thanks for further educating the PCE WG on the protocol mechanics of DNS :-)

Two scenarios where S-NATPR may provide to be the better mechanism, assuming
we need service capability query/discovery in the future. This capability
discovery could be:

1. When a PCC needs to discover a H-PCE Parent PCE. 

2. When a PCC needs to discover a PCE for specific capability, stateful,
GCO, P2MP, etc.

In each scenario the PCC would be able to discover required capability, as
each query using DNS S-NATPR would provide a response that includes:

Service-tag (pce)
Protocol (tcp)
Application (gco)

This might be represented as "pce:tcp+gco"(?), the resolution process
provided by S-NAPTR DDDS [RFC3958] would allow the  matching SRV or A record
of a suitable PCE. 

Actually, this type of method and capability exposes some issues. How do we
enforce policy with S-NAPTR and make sure a PCE is allowed to provide path
computation response, or the PCC is even allowed to send a path computation
request. For authorization,  CA and TLS may provide a solution. 

Br, Dan. 

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From: Qin Wu [mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com] 
Sent: 23 August 2013 10:58
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: Dhruv Dhody; Daniel King; Diego R. Lopez
Subject: NAPTR vs S-NAPTR in draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02

Hi,folks:
In the current DNS based PCE discovery draft, we use NAPTR to lookup PCE
service and query SRV record and AAA record for a DNS domain name. In the
draft, we only uses NAPTR flags 'a','s', "replacement expression", "regular
expression" is not used.

The S-NAPTR procedure i.e., the "Straightforward-NAPTR" procedure, is
defined in IETF RFC 3958 and describes a Dynamic Delegation Discovery System
(DDDS) application  procedures on how to resolve a domain name, application
service name, and application  protocol dynamically to target server and
port by using both NAPTR and SRV resource records. The S-NAPTR simplifies
the use of NAPTR by limiting the NAPTR flags only to "a", "s" and "".

Comparing with using NAPTR, S-NAPTR requires only a subset of NAPTR strictly
bound to domain names, without making use of the REGEXP field of NAPTR and
make client resolution process much more predictable and efficient since
multiple levels of redirection by using the "" flag and REGEXP field may
lead to a deep chaining of resource records over time in the DNS
configuration.

In addition, some sadi that S-NATPR enables DNS lookup of services by using
resource names while NAPTR by domain name, when using resource name We don't
need to follow domain name syntax.

Therefore I think using resource name is more flexible than using domain
name and it is better for this draft to base on S-NAPTR specification
[RFC3958] instead of following NAPTR defined in RFC3403.

Any comments or opinions?

Regards!
-Qin
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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	Title           : Path Computation Element (PCE) Discovery using
Domain Name System(DNS)
	Author(s)       : Qin Wu
                          Dhruv Dhody
                          Daniel King
                          Diego R. Lopez
	Filename        : draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2013-08-11

Abstract:
   Discovery of the Path Computation Element (PCE) within an IGP area or
   routing domain is possible using OSPF [RFC5088] and IS-IS [RFC5089].
   However, in some deployment scenarios PCEs may not wish, or be able,
   to participate within the IGP process, therefore it would be
   beneficial for the Path Computation Client (PCC) (or other PCEs) to
   discover PCEs via an alternative mechanism to those proposed in
   [RFC5088] and [RFC5089].

   This document specifies the requirements, use cases, procedures and
   extensions to support discovery via DNS for PCE.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery

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Hi,Dan:
Thank for your comments, see my reply inline below.

Regards!
-Qin
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From: Daniel King [mailto:daniel@olddog.co.uk]=20
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:00 AM
To: Qin Wu; pce@ietf.org
Cc: Dhruv Dhody; 'Diego R. Lopez'
Subject: RE: NAPTR vs S-NAPTR in draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02

Hi Qin,=20

Thanks for further educating the PCE WG on the protocol mechanics of DNS :-=
)

Two scenarios where S-NATPR may provide to be the better mechanism, assumin=
g
we need service capability query/discovery in the future. This capability
discovery could be:

1. When a PCC needs to discover a H-PCE Parent PCE.=20

2. When a PCC needs to discover a PCE for specific capability, stateful,
GCO, P2MP, etc.

In each scenario the PCC would be able to discover required capability, as
each query using DNS S-NATPR would provide a response that includes:

Service-tag (pce)
Protocol (tcp)
Application (gco)

This might be represented as "pce:tcp+gco"(?),=20

[Qin]: Following example described in the section 5.1 of RFC6408, it is bet=
ter to represent it as
"pce+gco:tcp"

the resolution process
provided by S-NAPTR DDDS [RFC3958] would allow the  matching SRV or A recor=
d
of a suitable PCE.=20

Actually, this type of method and capability exposes some issues. How do we
enforce policy with S-NAPTR and make sure a PCE is allowed to provide path
computation response, or the PCC is even allowed to send a path computation
request.=20

[Qin]: How S-NAPTR has to do with policy enforcement is not clear to me.
It seems to me the job of S-NAPTR is tolook up the PCE server's name using =
the DNS to get an
IP address associated with the name.  It then begins a connection to a part=
icular port=20
at that address, and sends an initial message to the PCE server.
I am not sure S-NAPTR should also take care the subsequence PCEP communicat=
ion.

However your comment do point toward one thing, i.e., how to deal with fail=
ing to connect to PCE server.
NAPTR allow using another IP address as connection address to re-connect to=
 PCE server if the "A" or "AAAA"=20
lookups returned more than one IP address.

For authorization,  CA and TLS may provide a solution.=20

[Qin]: For authorization, I think we are using DNSSEC. DNSSEC can be used t=
o protect=20
domain name or certificate association obtained from DNS server.

S-NAPTR allow us choose other transport than TCP,i.e., TLS/TCP if TLS/TCP t=
ransport can be supported.

Br, Dan.=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Qin Wu [mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com]=20
Sent: 23 August 2013 10:58
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: Dhruv Dhody; Daniel King; Diego R. Lopez
Subject: NAPTR vs S-NAPTR in draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02

Hi,folks:
In the current DNS based PCE discovery draft, we use NAPTR to lookup PCE
service and query SRV record and AAA record for a DNS domain name. In the
draft, we only uses NAPTR flags 'a','s', "replacement expression", "regular
expression" is not used.

The S-NAPTR procedure i.e., the "Straightforward-NAPTR" procedure, is
defined in IETF RFC 3958 and describes a Dynamic Delegation Discovery Syste=
m
(DDDS) application  procedures on how to resolve a domain name, application
service name, and application  protocol dynamically to target server and
port by using both NAPTR and SRV resource records. The S-NAPTR simplifies
the use of NAPTR by limiting the NAPTR flags only to "a", "s" and "".

Comparing with using NAPTR, S-NAPTR requires only a subset of NAPTR strictl=
y
bound to domain names, without making use of the REGEXP field of NAPTR and
make client resolution process much more predictable and efficient since
multiple levels of redirection by using the "" flag and REGEXP field may
lead to a deep chaining of resource records over time in the DNS
configuration.

In addition, some sadi that S-NATPR enables DNS lookup of services by using
resource names while NAPTR by domain name, when using resource name We don'=
t
need to follow domain name syntax.

Therefore I think using resource name is more flexible than using domain
name and it is better for this draft to base on S-NAPTR specification
[RFC3958] instead of following NAPTR defined in RFC3403.

Any comments or opinions?

Regards!
-Qin
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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	Title           : Path Computation Element (PCE) Discovery using
Domain Name System(DNS)
	Author(s)       : Qin Wu
                          Dhruv Dhody
                          Daniel King
                          Diego R. Lopez
	Filename        : draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2013-08-11

Abstract:
   Discovery of the Path Computation Element (PCE) within an IGP area or
   routing domain is possible using OSPF [RFC5088] and IS-IS [RFC5089].
   However, in some deployment scenarios PCEs may not wish, or be able,
   to participate within the IGP process, therefore it would be
   beneficial for the Path Computation Client (PCC) (or other PCEs) to
   discover PCEs via an alternative mechanism to those proposed in
   [RFC5088] and [RFC5089].

   This document specifies the requirements, use cases, procedures and
   extensions to support discovery via DNS for PCE.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02

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http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-02


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