From nobody Sun Nov 1 10:07:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11D71B8AAC for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 10:07:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YNkqDYo8AQg0 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 10:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com (mail-io0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E39761B8AA4 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by iody8 with SMTP id y8so123935485iod.1 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2015 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qgSNje+wgANbxD0mDUE0eh7Bx7Qc1pPwvSs3GbnVCl4=; b=hKySDT+DrZCdVBD7P+6j8tCP9YIBDakRYUmKCP11EfYOCpcX3ORgAhg5vXrlXXJ7bf AA7SLTmbWGHN9Cr3MKhDpo56jsqGmZuz+l187rzeXgbyOf8ahXIhicpChW63FfbJVaDW U1XzkNgrdrk1PctOqOM/gUXqDUcF5fzcRKiGiDcWywmIWOAs1K++QywRTw/hiNR1Q4L/ syDyuaz42IN8LKe2SnadtttkuNbWUWQBxwEQoZPxejHC7veEe33XwfRD3b8KEBudz5FQ qEFTvjbWLNQGoLA5SmBj6100Cuz08sSaZMpy6H0LI2HBk5/a3ESWEEIL67ezPEHJnN0u 2ngA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.16.219 with SMTP id 88mr19619421ioq.50.1446401273293; Sun, 01 Nov 2015 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.18.197 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.18.197 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1BA0067B-53A9-4F11-87B6-41F1C9C60AF9@cisco.com> References: <1BA0067B-53A9-4F11-87B6-41F1C9C60AF9@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:07:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: Cyril Margaria To: "JP Vasseur (jvasseur)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ed75818f0a405237e8a35 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] PCE WG Last Call - draft-ietf-pce-pceps-04 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 18:07:55 -0000 --001a113ed75818f0a405237e8a35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have reviewed the id. I think the document describes well the TLS procedure. I have the following comments/questions on the nonTLS support: what should a PCE peer do when the error code "pcep startTLS failure" and error value 3 or 4. For error value 3 i believe closing the connection shoud be done For error code 4 (ok without TLS) should the peer: A)Continue without TLS at all B) close and reconnect without using tls A) would require more descrption of that case. B) would require the peer to retry without tls or require a reconfiguration. The reconnect introduces more states (how long to keep retrying withiut tls,... etc) I think those points should be specified. Best regards Cyril On Oct 8, 2015 18:57, "JP Vasseur (jvasseur)" wrote: > Dear WG, > > This starts a 2-week WG Last Call on draft-ietf-pce-pceps-04, ending on > Oct 23 at noon ET. Please send your comments to the authors and copy the > list. > > Thanks. > > JP, Julien and Jon. > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > > --001a113ed75818f0a405237e8a35 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have reviewed the id.

I think the document describes well the TLS=C2=A0 procedure.=

I have the following comments/questions on the nonTLS suppor= t: what should a PCE peer=C2=A0 do when the error code "pcep startTLS = failure" and error value 3 or 4.

For error value 3 i believe closing the connection shoud be = done
For error code 4 (ok without TLS) should the peer:

A)Continue without TLS at all

B) close and reconnect without using tls

A) would require more descrption of that case. B) would requ= ire the peer to retry without tls or require a reconfiguration. The reconne= ct introduces more states (how long to keep retrying withiut tls,... etc)

I think those points should be specified.

Best regards
Cyril

On Oct 8, 2015 18:57, "JP Vasseur (jvasseur= )" <jvasseur@cisco.com>= ; wrote:
Dear WG,=C2=A0

This starts a 2= -week WG Last Call on=C2=A0draft-ie= tf-pce-pceps-04, ending on Oct 23 at noon ET. Please send your comme= nts to the authors and copy the list.

Thanks.

JP, Julien and Jon.

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boundary=047d7bfea186276cc90523855f30 Archived-At: Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] PCE WG Last Call - draft-ietf-pce-pceps-04 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 02:17:02 -0000 --047d7bfea186276cc90523855f30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Cyril, Thanks for your review and comments. Much Appreciated. Let me sink up with my co-authors and reply to you with a proposed text. Regards, Dhruv On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Cyril Margaria wrote: > I have reviewed the id. > > I think the document describes well the TLS procedure. > > I have the following comments/questions on the nonTLS support: what should > a PCE peer do when the error code "pcep startTLS failure" and error value > 3 or 4. > > For error value 3 i believe closing the connection shoud be done > For error code 4 (ok without TLS) should the peer: > > A)Continue without TLS at all > > B) close and reconnect without using tls > > A) would require more descrption of that case. B) would require the peer > to retry without tls or require a reconfiguration. The reconnect introduces > more states (how long to keep retrying withiut tls,... etc) > > I think those points should be specified. > > Best regards > Cyril > On Oct 8, 2015 18:57, "JP Vasseur (jvasseur)" wrote: > >> Dear WG, >> >> This starts a 2-week WG Last Call on draft-ietf-pce-pceps-04, ending on >> Oct 23 at noon ET. Please send your comments to the authors and copy the >> list. >> >> Thanks. >> >> JP, Julien and Jon. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pce mailing list >> Pce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > > --047d7bfea186276cc90523855f30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Cyril,=C2=A0

Thanks for your review and comments. Much Appreciated.=C2=A0=

Let me sink up with my co-autho= rs and reply to you with a proposed text.=C2=A0

Regards,
Dhruv

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:07 AM,= Cyril Margaria <cyril.margaria@gmail.com> wrote:
=

I have reviewed the id.

I think the document describes well the TLS=C2=A0 procedure.=

I have the following comments/questions on the nonTLS suppor= t: what should a PCE peer=C2=A0 do when the error code "pcep startTLS = failure" and error value 3 or 4.

For error value 3 i believe closing the connection shoud be = done
For error code 4 (ok without TLS) should the peer:

A)Continue without TLS at all

B) close and reconnect without using tls

A) would require more descrption of that case. B) would requ= ire the peer to retry without tls or require a reconfiguration. The reconne= ct introduces more states (how long to keep retrying withiut tls,... etc)

I think those points should be specified.

Best regards
Cyril

On Oct 8, 2015 18:57, &qu= ot;JP Vasseur (jvasseur)" <jvasseur@cisco.com> wrote:
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Dear WG,=C2=A0

This starts a 2= -week WG Last Call on=C2=A0draft-ie= tf-pce-pceps-04, ending on Oct 23 at noon ET. Please send your comme= nts to the authors and copy the list.

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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11349cee0f16b405239f3f6a Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Comments on draft-minei-pce-association-group X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 09:09:13 -0000 --001a11349cee0f16b405239f3f6a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, My comments on the document are: 1) The format goes in the good,direction, but is not yet fully aligned with rfc6780, is this planned for a future revision? 2) My concern is the following statements: "For both cases, the association is uniquely identified by the combination of an association identifier and the address of the PCE peer that created the association." "Association Source: 4 or 16 bytes - An IPv4 or IPv6 address, which is associated to the PCE peer that originated the association." Those statement are not aligned with the RSVP association is managed. The reason stated is that the association state is tied to that PCE. Is this related to the fact that about any PCC/PCE can create association on a LSP? 3) Association control : the PCC and any PCE can create associations: this diverge from the existing mechanism from the statefull document. In my opinion this aspect makes the control and state maintenance more complicated. The use cases behind this multiple-controller model is not very clear. If the association is under the control a single entity (PCC or PCE), as in the stateful document, the association state then become part of the PCE state and the rules described in the stateful document applies (it up to the PCE who as delegation to set the association. This would also allow to get rid of the R bit, as mentioned by adrian (to remove an association: simply not send it) Which use cases will not be permitted by that mode of operation? --001a11349cee0f16b405239f3f6a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

= My comments on the document are:
=C2=A0

1)=C2=A0 The format= goes in the good,direction, but is not yet fully aligned with rfc6780, is = this planned for a future revision?
2)=C2=A0 My concern is the fol= lowing statements:
   "For both
   cases, the association is uniquely identified by the combination of
   an association identifier and the address of the PCE peer that
   created the association."

   "Association Source: 4 or =
16 bytes - An IPv4 or IPv6 address, which is
   associated to the PCE peer that originated the association."
Those statement are not aligned with the RSVP associ=
ation is managed.
The reason stated is that the association state is tie=
d to that PCE.

Is this related to the fact tha=
t about any PCC/PCE can create association on a LSP?
3) Associatio= n control : the PCC and any PCE can create associations:
=C2=A0thi= s diverge from the existing mechanism from the statefull document.
In my opinion this aspect makes the control and state maintenance more com= plicated. The use cases behind this multiple-controller model is not very c= lear.

If the association is under the control a single entity = (PCC or PCE), as in the stateful document, the association state then becom= e part of the PCE state and the rules described in the stateful document=C2= =A0 applies (it up to the PCE who as delegation to set the association.
This would also allow to get rid of the R bit, as mentioned by a= drian (to remove an association: simply not send it)

Whi= ch use cases will not be permitted by that mode of operation?



<= /div> --001a11349cee0f16b405239f3f6a-- From nobody Tue Nov 3 01:13:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEEA1B3094; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:13:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.409 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.409 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_BIZ=0.288, HELO_MISMATCH_BIZ=0.443, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0LjSWnDS40wQ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from newdragon.webhostserver.biz (unknown [69.25.136.247]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 825AF1B308A; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [::1] (port=41656) by newdragon.webhostserver.biz with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtXem-0001xg-1G; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:13:32 +0300 To: "Zhangxian (Xian)" References: <55B1FF09.8040100@labn.net> <55B61927.6080303@labn.net> From: Lou Berger X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56387AB4.9090703@labn.net> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:13:24 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - newdragon.webhostserver.biz X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: newdragon.webhostserver.biz: authenticated_id: lberger@blabn.com X-Authenticated-Sender: newdragon.webhostserver.biz: lberger@blabn.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Cc: "draft-minei-pce-association-group@ietf.org" , PCE WG List Subject: Re: [Pce] comments on draft-minei-pce-association-group X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 09:13:35 -0000 So responding a bit late, as promised in today's session. Sorry I missed your message when first sent. On 8/21/2015 6:22 PM, Zhangxian (Xian) wrote: > Hi, Lou, > > Thank you for the useful comments. Let me try to explain to see if we > can converge before we updating the draft. > > Let me start with the objective of the draft: to define a general > mechanism that support LSP association via PCEP. So, we confine > ourselves to having minimum/MUST-have attributes, additional > information can be added into the optional TLVs if needed as per > application. > Sure, sounds like the RSVP association object. Of course having a PCE object and PCEP object with the same name but covering different function scope seems likely to lead to confusion/issues/conflicts down the road. > Now, to your comments: > >> 1) Is there a reason to not follow and provide the full function >> supported by RSVP Extended ASSOCIATION Object [RFC6780]? > > [Xian]: By looking at RFC6780, I think the following changes may be > needed when updating draft-minei-pce-association-group: > A) Extending the 4-bit association type to 16 bits; great - see that > B) Currently association ID in draft-minei-pce-association-group-02 > is 32 bits but in RFC6780 16 bits. So, this can be covered, thus no > need for revision; > C) Global Association source and extended association ID: is this > something basic? Or can it be added into the optional TLVs as per > application? Open to your suggestion on this point and it would be good > to share your thoughts behind. The extended association object was defined as a result of the original object being considered too limited given the scope of applications making use of it. Given this experience, I'd be inclined to believe that the same will happen here. We're talking control plane bits on the wire which are relatively cheap, so would lean to learning from the past experience and cover the same scope/breadth. >> 2) For Association Source field I suggest: >> OLD >> An IPv4 or IPv6 address, which >> is associated to the PCE peer that originated the association. >> NEW >> An IPv4 or IPv6 address, which >> identifies the originator of the association > > [Xian]: This is the part I do not really agree with. At the moment, > we use this field as a differentiator for error handling. To be more > specific, depending on whether the association is originated by PCC > or PCE, we need to decide whether to clear up the association > information. Relaxing this PCEP object field messes up with the error > handling we are working on. Another point is: could you also give > examples where the originator is not a PCE peer, but it will need to > use PCEP for conveying such information? > I guess I don't understand/see this in the document. I do see that there are specific actions to be taken by a PCC/PCE. As for an example of a non-PCE/PCC originator, there have been implementations that use a management system (address) to manage association identifiers and this restriction seems to unnecessarily preclude such centrally orchestrated solutions. Lou > Cheers, > Xian & Ina > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: 2015年7月27日 19:43 > To: Ina Minei > Cc: draft-minei-pce-association-group@ietf.org; PCE WG List > Subject: Re: comments on draft-minei-pce-association-group > > Function. > > -- but encoding is fine too (and why not?)... > > Lou > On 07/26/2015 09:19 AM, Ina Minei wrote: >> Lou, >> >> Thank you for the feedback. Can you clarify the first comment about >> reuse of the extended association object from RFC6780, are you asking >> about the object encoding or about the function? >> >> Ina >> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Lou Berger > > wrote: >> >> Authors, >> Useful draft & additional function. I have two comments: >> >> 1) Is there a reason to not follow and provide the full function >> supported by RSVP Extended ASSOCIATION Object [RFC6780]? >> >> 2) For Association Source field I suggest: >> OLD >> An IPv4 or IPv6 address, which >> is associated to the PCE peer that originated the association. >> NEW >> An IPv4 or IPv6 address, which >> identifies the originator of the association >> >> Thanks, >> Lou >> >> > From nobody Tue Nov 3 16:36:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78BC1A016C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:36:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.194 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.194 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4oZDLEEWmeVW for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from r-mail1.rd.orange.com (r-mail1.rd.orange.com [217.108.152.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79E71A0123 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from r-mail1.rd.orange.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 45354A4426A for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:36:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.194.32.11]) by r-mail1.rd.orange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40704A44236 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:36:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.193.116.76] (10.193.116.76) by FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (10.194.32.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.224.2; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:36:07 +0100 To: "pce@ietf.org" From: Julien Meuric Organization: Orange Message-ID: <563952F5.5070303@orange.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:36:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 00:36:10 -0000 Dear all, Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you support the adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a starting point for a new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your answer. In any case, comments are welcome. 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Young -----Original Message----- From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Julien Meuric Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 6:36 PM To: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 Dear all, Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you support=20 the adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a starting point=20 for a new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your answer. In any case, comments are welcome. 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Hi J3P and WG,=

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Yes, I think the draft sh= ould be adopted as WG item.

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BR
Daniele

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From: Pce [mai= lto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of wang.qilei@zte.com.cn
Sent: mercoled=A8=AC 4 novembre 2015 09:44
To: Julien Meuric; pce@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-g= roup-03

 

yes/suppor= t

Thanks
Qilei



Julien Meuric <julien.meuric@orange.com>
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2015-11-04 08:36

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"pce@= ietf.org" <pce@ietf.org>= ,

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[Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-= association-group-03

 




Dear all,

Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you suppor= t
the adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a starting poin= t
for a new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your answer.

In any case, comments are welcome.

Regards,

Jon, JP & Julien

_______________________________________________
Pce mailing list
Pce@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce

--_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812AC6D0AESESSMB301erics_-- From nobody Tue Nov 3 16:47:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496A01A6FD2 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:47:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iEbZrDd9T_gg for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 857BD1A8715 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BZW84001; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 00:46:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLREML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.20.4.47) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:46:57 +0000 Received: from BLREML509-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.243]) by BLREML408-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.4.47]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 06:16:50 +0530 From: Dhruv Dhody To: Julien Meuric , "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 Thread-Index: AQHRFpjavxg5kqKZFkKseU06FX/bxp6LBtCA Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:46:49 +0000 Message-ID: <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8C436AD8@BLREML509-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: <563952F5.5070303@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <563952F5.5070303@orange.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.194.187.72] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090204.56395582.00C7, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.7.243, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 6fad866d04a9db0d0df541c468c8df21 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 00:47:27 -0000 J^3=20 Yes, Support adoption! Regards, Dhruv (as a contributor)=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Julien Meuric > Sent: 04 November 2015 09:36 > To: pce@ietf.org > Subject: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you > support the adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a > starting point for a new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your > answer. >=20 > In any case, comments are welcome. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Jon, JP & Julien >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Tue Nov 3 21:19:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAD11ACD26 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:19:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sD3V-sbyRBO9 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2C121ACD24 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CDQ20940; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 05:18:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEML430-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.185) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 05:18:57 +0000 Received: from SZXEML522-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.85]) by szxeml430-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.185]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:17:23 +0800 From: Udayasree palle To: Julien Meuric , "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 Thread-Index: AQHRFpjZ/aoiEG6UrU+rZjlPOEVC1p6LUudA Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 05:17:23 +0000 Message-ID: References: <563952F5.5070303@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <563952F5.5070303@orange.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.241.144] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020204.56399543.000D, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.2.85, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 905676d823d6bb75fd75f90a3f111d56 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 05:19:04 -0000 Yes. Support=20 Regards, Udaya -----Original Message----- From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Julien Meuric Sent: 04 November 2015 06:06 To: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 Dear all, Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you support th= e adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a starting point for = a new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your answer. In any case, comments are welcome. Regards, Jon, JP & Julien _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Tue Nov 3 21:23:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C231ACD24 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:23:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.212 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.212 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rxyE4CF1CwI7 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [204.42.254.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B571E1ACD18 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by puck.nether.net (Postfix, from userid 507) id 659F3540B7A; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:23:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:23:06 -0500 From: Jon Mitchell To: Julien Meuric Message-ID: <20151104052306.GA22429@puck.nether.net> References: <563952F5.5070303@orange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <563952F5.5070303@orange.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Archived-At: Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 05:23:07 -0000 On 04/11/15 01:36 +0100, Julien Meuric wrote: > Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you support the > adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a starting point for a > new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your answer. Support for adoption. -Jon From nobody Wed Nov 4 00:01:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED70A1B2B39; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:01:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9p9e3Ynt0whx; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1bon0724.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::1:724]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FEF11B2B40; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from DM2PR02MB1356.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.161.143.13) by DM2PR02MB1355.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.161.143.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.312.18; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:00:57 +0000 Received: from DM2PR02MB1356.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.161.143.13]) by DM2PR02MB1356.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.161.143.13]) with mapi id 15.01.0312.014; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:00:57 +0000 From: Jonathan Hardwick To: "draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations Thread-Index: AdEW1fgivuiy7td0SJyaO8AhxC2M3A== Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:00:57 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com; x-originating-ip: [133.93.34.236] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; DM2PR02MB1355; 5:L4NdL8bOfHgGbHwJX1AvkQ2pESpK1yAPxPh1FpHeIPvI04UpnWG7PrtAICUXuDDdDx+piGaUxcSlo/+AzjbMOGOy9xh1Ed/J6K7AyamJMP9kUGIPAn9xw3S0ByEGxzLE8NiDJEn+yOK5OF0BqJytCQ==; 24:b2Mxs9Oh8jxkWe6Jn4R2wNX9fs5yQTY4on5YFBG3fyxk+MCOZDsQIwLVRf/dgyZY8GS7qD/MYX5v8KpL1z5ot/6vqpICqgfrffWiD8MM+sg=; 20:2oJkytE+mNfFOlL9X6l//qNmUohJ9I86AcuOUv6WlWOGBvlKNG8lJkSmKpCxwtu2uiFb75hELyT+d24mCpqM8A== x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR02MB1355; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(108003899814671); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(2401047)(520078)(8121501046)(5005006)(10201501046)(3002001); SRVR:DM2PR02MB1355; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:DM2PR02MB1355; x-forefront-prvs: 0750463DC9 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(199003)(189002)(2351001)(450100001)(97736004)(33656002)(81156007)(86362001)(5003600100002)(5008740100001)(11100500001)(99286002)(229853001)(5004730100002)(40100003)(2501003)(5001960100002)(122556002)(189998001)(76576001)(110136002)(230783001)(5007970100001)(102836002)(101416001)(77096005)(15975445007)(105586002)(106356001)(10400500002)(5002640100001)(50986999)(92566002)(19300405004)(74316001)(54356999)(19625215002)(19580395003)(2900100001)(16236675004)(87936001)(66066001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:DM2PR02MB1355; H:DM2PR02MB1356.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: metaswitch.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DM2PR02MB1356C87B5F223807C1973D7A842A0DM2PR02MB1356namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: metaswitch.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 04 Nov 2015 08:00:57.2226 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 9d9e56eb-f613-4ddb-b27b-bfcdf14b2cdb X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM2PR02MB1355 Archived-At: Cc: "pce@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [Pce] Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 08:01:20 -0000 --_000_DM2PR02MB1356C87B5F223807C1973D7A842A0DM2PR02MB1356namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear authors, Please could you confirm (on the mailing list) whether you are aware of any= IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations, and if so,= if it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 3979= , 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.) If you are not aware of any IPR t= hat applies to this draft, please reply saying "I am not aware of any IPR t= hat applies to this draft". A response from each of you is required. Best regards, Jon, JP & Julien --_000_DM2PR02MB1356C87B5F223807C1973D7A842A0DM2PR02MB1356namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear authors,

 

Please could you confirm (on the mailing list) wheth= er you are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-op= timizations, and if so, if it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IP= R rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.)  If you are not aware of any IPR that app= lies to this draft, please reply saying “I am not aware of any IPR th= at applies to this draft”.

 

A response from each of you is required.<= /p>

 

Best regards,

 

Jon, JP & Julien

 

--_000_DM2PR02MB1356C87B5F223807C1973D7A842A0DM2PR02MB1356namp_-- From nobody Wed Nov 4 04:57:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60551B2EB5; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 04:57:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MyMIsevZEMdz; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 04:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE7C91B2EB6; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 04:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CDQ78155; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:56:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLREML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.20.4.47) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:56:57 +0000 Received: from BLREML509-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.243]) by BLREML408-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.4.47]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:26:49 +0530 From: Dhruv Dhody To: Jonathan Hardwick , "draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations Thread-Index: AdEW1fgivuiy7td0SJyaO8AhxC2M3AAKi+iA Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:56:48 +0000 Message-ID: <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8C4374E2@BLREML509-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.194.187.209] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8C4374E2BLREML509MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020203.563A009B.003A, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.7.243, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: dd9bd63da83c1a1a3202126da9a33558 Archived-At: Cc: "pce@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:57:04 -0000 --_000_23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8C4374E2BLREML509MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft". Regards, Dhruv From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: 04 November 2015 17:01 To: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimization= s Dear authors, Please could you confirm (on the mailing list) whether you are aware of any= IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations, and if so,= if it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 3979= , 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.) If you are not aware of any IPR t= hat applies to this draft, please reply saying "I am not aware of any IPR t= hat applies to this draft". A response from each of you is required. Best regards, Jon, JP & Julien --_000_23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8C4374E2BLREML509MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

“I am not aware of any IP= R that applies to this draft”.

 

Regards,

Dhruv

 

From: Pce [mai= lto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: 04 November 2015 17:01
To: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org
Cc: pce@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optim= izations

 

Dear authors,=

 

Please could you confirm (on th= e mailing list) whether you are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf= -pce-stateful-sync-optimizations, and if so, if it has been disclosed in co= mpliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.)  If you are not aware of= any IPR that applies to this draft, please reply saying “I am not aw= are of any IPR that applies to this draft”.

 

A response from each of you is = required.

 

Best regards,=

 

Jon, JP & Julien=

 

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I am not aware of any IPR that applies= to this draft.

 

Regards,

Xian

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Jonathan Hardwick [Jon= athan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2015=C4=EA11=D4=C24=C8=D5 16:00
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.= org
=B3=AD=CB=CD: pce@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimi= zations

Dear authors,

 

Please could you confirm (on the mailing list) wheth= er you are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-op= timizations, and if so, if it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IP= R rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.)  If you are not aware of any IPR that app= lies to this draft, please reply saying =A1=B0I am not aware of any IPR tha= t applies to this draft=A1=B1.

 

A response from each of you is required.

 

Best regards,

 

Jon, JP & Julien

 

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"The StartTLS message is a PCEP message sent by a PCC to a PCE and by a PCE to a PCC " suggests both "Once the TCP connection has been successfully established, the first message sent by the PCC to the PCE or by the PCE to the PCC MUST be a StartTLS message " suggests only one. Section 3.3 makes it clearer that both send it. This is fine but I am unaware of any other protocol where this happens so I would suggest /or/and/ in that second sentence and expanding the earlier sentence OLD 2. Initiating the TLS Procedures by the StartTLS message. NEW 2. Initiating the TLS Procedures by the StartTLS message from PCE to PCC and from PCC to PCE. I focus on this because I was also looking to see which became TLS Client. TLS is asymmetric, designed to authenticate a (HTTP) server to a client. Netconf (and SNMP), which I know better, struggled with this because the key for Netconf is to authenticate the client to the server, which TLS does not do so well. Posts on the TLS list suggest that there are very few implementations of TLS client authentication, rather something else is done once the secure channel has been established. So, do you care who is TLS client and who TLS server? It will be interesting to see a security review of this. In passing, RFC7465 prohibits RC4 with TLS so I would think it unlikely that "SHOULD support TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_SHA" will be acceptable. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- > On Oct 8, 2015 18:57, "JP Vasseur (jvasseur)" > wrote: > Dear WG, > > This starts a 2-week WG Last Call on draft-ietf-pce-pceps-04, ending on Oct 23 at noon ET. 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Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.119.197 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:20:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <563952F5.5070303@orange.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:20:35 -0800 Message-ID: From: Ina Minei To: "Zhangxian (Xian)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11428f248ae3cb0523c0189b Archived-At: Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 00:20:38 -0000 --001a11428f248ae3cb0523c0189b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support as co-author. Ina On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Zhangxian (Xian) wrote: > Support as co-author. > > Xian > > ________________________________________ > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Pce [pce-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 Julien Meuric [julien.meuric@orange.com > ] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=884=E6=97=A5 = 8:36 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: pce@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association= -group-03 > > Dear all, > > Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you support > the adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a starting point > for a new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your answer. > > In any case, comments are welcome. > > Regards, > > Jon, JP & Julien > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > --001a11428f248ae3cb0523c0189b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support as co-author.
Ina

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Zh= angxian (Xian) <zhang.xian@huawei.com> wrote:
Support as co-author.

Xian

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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Pce [p= ce-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Julien Meuric [julien.meuric@orange.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=884=E6=97=A5 8:= 36
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: pce@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-g= roup-03

Dear all,

Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you support the adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a starting point for a new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your answer.

In any case, comments are welcome.

Regards,

Jon, JP & Julien

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--001a11428f248ae3cb0523c0189b-- From nobody Wed Nov 4 16:21:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8231AD481 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:21:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.388 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.388 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P38EepzrT4Hr for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yk0-x233.google.com (mail-yk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 709731AD352 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by ykdv3 with SMTP id v3so13979124ykd.0 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:21:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/e4exrGFn2/snTjNXKJPOFNBPBYH/prL734Dostaklo=; b=bzOFVJ1Y75pcgoCLJG9uYYF8JN6q93xLUEt5UY213mLtYzhSCKd9KgSUw6ZlGLEfFo V0KulKiUzYYyb/Gpkvd6dJvgXppVkwvm9NRukUhuKfzBg13Se5JDq7Qsw8QQlJ7lANOq CA4ajFZaLU8LNxU1euK8IqybmEkpmE+hD2WkmTVmSzRsNfK1lpFWKZlohAnhGCZ2jZks bH2/e9TjnCHhjDrCteQctClLoziHkqGUVhUHOL0jIWL+O8Mb8pSXUxZnu/+mNN4w9aeA 7GuF+WcqyK2vMnkiu28ol011kCEKZg0yIIrrd9vQj6IuzBVV97jdbhqrdDReu5ez088K 38iA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/e4exrGFn2/snTjNXKJPOFNBPBYH/prL734Dostaklo=; b=Br0Vs9jNY2eClO5Wu8OyMS5nrDWL7be41pxdQh0Y2ThxUzPne/ZbIEvfreF0PWTcVi 6FJcu8yqmB1KMbFbkNp/3KD4ubtY9WmIIW74isrCEuLGqc6g8br5yK13qoYjUnlD1SP7 qZmFIGrlEQAu5MeL+Gv5aRIdcPAADPgsq4/s+jAprV1lOi4J9YaFmADCR8tfeZ7LtZeE w0MmBZZNoZrnJAFyLk+W5U4oFAkfHR8Hip9SMw+xtyBxTlNVmw5eTXO/PHNj5Y6wXryT G9Bo2wJW2f0oTHHRklsvCTyNCbw3otzB6G6JyAiKXmIFH1N8CAxbBcOhnAnOCoy8chnf ZwBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkk1Svn4g2FnMjfTiMEPIG0JUO02yQVNdclyagB/CqhZjzD1PvzXM+KlayZumFyqyIaHtDV MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.13.208.198 with SMTP id s189mr3605101ywd.40.1446682872744; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.119.197 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:21:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:21:12 -0800 Message-ID: From: Ina Minei To: Jonathan Hardwick Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114d76f4bbce720523c01a98 Archived-At: Cc: "pce@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 00:21:15 -0000 --001a114d76f4bbce720523c01a98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Ina On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Jonathan Hardwick < Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com> wrote: > Dear authors, > > > > Please could you confirm (on the mailing list) whether you are aware of > any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations, and i= f > so, if it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs > 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.) If you are not aware of any > IPR that applies to this draft, please reply saying =E2=80=9CI am not awa= re of any > IPR that applies to this draft=E2=80=9D. > > > > A response from each of you is required. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jon, JP & Julien > > > --001a114d76f4bbce720523c01a98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not aware of any=C2=A0IPR=C2=A0that applies to this draft.

Ina

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Jonathan Hardwick <= Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com> wrote:

Dear authors,

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Please could you confirm (on the mailing list) wheth= er you are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-op= timizations, and if so, if it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IP= R rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.)=C2=A0 If you are not aware of any IPR that app= lies to this draft, please reply saying =E2=80=9CI am not aware of any IPR = that applies to this draft=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0

A response from each of you is required.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

=C2=A0

Jon, JP & Julien

=C2=A0


--001a114d76f4bbce720523c01a98-- From nobody Wed Nov 4 16:34:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AC21B2C06; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:33:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HJhWAZaK1w-J; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:33:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-x22a.google.com (mail-oi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDBEB1B2C9D; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by oies66 with SMTP id s66so38261949oie.1; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Cq1WxKLbIq+bnYwrkKGAQobBlbi/9qOZ33JOWvvwq+I=; b=tz3LKieFJYJWjj2AmugH833XoTyDkvvBh3nqNNNcw/70rFAwqw8t7G00A51H0V8KnD E+A50XNTzbuVGabDthzd6KyzGAQ+agxlCmz+zv8aYVQfSMiJr9vwnspBISqyylFM+Jyt TsuHW8yPaAj3Fvp4GjtsSmHVYJk+Cayje+x0kGnClcbVRngVjSx6N8SxQ5ilxaPw9lrO Hheb8QEO/UXgrv/xcFA0OK7Lq7BgCbThWHkGm5lO3gE9LmHoOMiTqOCMzwNjgClloA5B gepe+sNg5vUJAr5ytEhDgnLeSyiriQOStXSWWxMhHEwflOyk36tEVaj5P6lXjFdFTZDc 8xMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.67.194 with SMTP id q185mr2675114oia.37.1446683609436; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.204.75 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.204.75 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:33:29 +1100 Message-ID: From: Edward To: "Zhangxian (Xian)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113cd06aa498140523c04614 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:34:48 -0800 Cc: "pce@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 00:33:31 -0000 --001a113cd06aa498140523c04614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. On Nov 5, 2015 10:10 AM, "Zhangxian (Xian)" wrote: > I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. > > > > Regards, > > Xian > ------------------------------ > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Jonathan Hardwick [Jonathan.Hardwick@metas= witch.com] > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=884=E6=97= =A5 16:00 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations= @ietf.org > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* pce@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-opt= imizations > > Dear authors, > > > > Please could you confirm (on the mailing list) whether you are aware of > any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations, and i= f > so, if it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs > 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.) If you are not aware of any > IPR that applies to this draft, please reply saying =E2=80=9CI am not awa= re of any > IPR that applies to this draft=E2=80=9D. > > > > A response from each of you is required. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Jon, JP & Julien > > > --001a113cd06aa498140523c04614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

On Nov 5, 2015 10:10 AM, "Zhangxian (Xian)&= quot; <zhang.xian@huawei.com> wrote:

I am not aware of any IPR that applies= to this draft.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Xian

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Jonathan Hardwick [Jonathan.Hardwick@me= taswitch.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=884=E6= =97=A5 16:00
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-s= ync-optimizations@ietf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: pce@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-= optimizations

Dear authors,

=C2=A0

Please could you confirm (on the mailing list) wheth= er you are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-op= timizations, and if so, if it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IP= R rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.)=C2=A0 If you are not aware of any IPR that app= lies to this draft, please reply saying =E2=80=9CI am not aware of any IPR = that applies to this draft=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0

A response from each of you is required.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

=C2=A0

Jon, JP & Julien

=C2=A0

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I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

From: Edward <edward.crabbe@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 a= t 4:33 PM
To: "Zhangxian (Xian)" &l= t;zhang.xian@huawei.com> Cc: "pce-chairs@ietf.org" <pce-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-opt= imizations@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org>, Jonathan Hard= wick <Jonathan.Hardw= ick@metaswitch.com>, "pce@ietf.= org" <pce@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Last IPR check for dra= ft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations

I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

On Nov 5, 2015 10:10 AM, "Zhangxian (Xian)&= quot; <zhang.xian@huawei.com> wrote:

I am not aware of any IPR that applies= to this draft.

 

Regards,

Xian

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Jonathan Hardwick [Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.= com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2015=C4=EA11=D4=C24=C8=D5 16:00
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org
=B3=AD=CB=CD: pce@= ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Last IPR check for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimi= zations

Dear authors,

 

Please could you confirm (on the mailing list) wheth= er you are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-op= timizations, and if so, if it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IP= R rules? (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.)  If you are not aware of any IPR that app= lies to this draft, please reply saying =A1=B0I am not aware of any IPR tha= t applies to this draft=A1=B1.

 

A response from each of you is required.

 

Best regards,

 

Jon, JP & Julien

 

 --_000_D25FEB71F65D7jmedvedciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Nov 5 01:42:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C381A9067 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:42:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.388 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.388 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FfoduC6d9T2B for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yk0-x22b.google.com (mail-yk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D9BB1A9091 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by ykek133 with SMTP id k133so121411135yke.2 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:42:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=48BufGtLuxpu5G6r63x/UdZ+7jv48Ud8bM7ne3A4tmg=; b=Byr66eBko8cmdq61i2tajJJ3oIwRNFivy9k6aUx7+q5UmVfxnrXerJS2p6s19qFavm y1cNUNRXHlETuxw3BI8zAg+4sTQ5fm/31tXK30zzWWQv0n5P600NUJsxJDOBdiRr1QXS mMSae2gSiOaxLQHeWN6S3dvzDiWgWquHM328/BV+BPnK81BDKm+26yoQENTKBZJ7BOPk PNFts5xod5kvmCrzaxuXRizVrZgK2DKaZdTrqfLDsuhoi5h1zjomPFLoSJt5tkObKOcX jGFub9Dc3JhbGdayZFJ344P/98z5WAJM1UmmpiNFyqXas619m1daQX856/JY3qPz89qa TdvQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=48BufGtLuxpu5G6r63x/UdZ+7jv48Ud8bM7ne3A4tmg=; b=G+tTxQVzXNqO15aWvv1frSCPeGRgu7ApRR6FBnWz7vVzA5U47LXz4h/+YHzaZsPbQU BuTsN05zUINH20ENeDjnfPjBTYOskAdgM0Zu+iHTlGXOjRwUvNLWuFXBuMvG7lHDjqyd 4+CCcDrgq8HCczsH2UAj9MtXkAIeH76XmhGnP+rK0jb0uX8kMOPxrYBtJngrpKKm7NFl dqP0X30MxhA+7CZkGkyN8o2jKGVPapEcM8jVtsRqBNAty/D2+bjGmySqGdVPet1uNGWx +i9vmRm0Ekq6Kag2ket5orYKzNrUs353BXyWFnCJ/euh7wOdtE8M5xHjA+3bDKQYujxs zuMg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkM1RUGmieWsQhl5ZiDXweoukT9E3g3+ZhVeYQBJFC+k9jtbwG7bLnq7RZCtMj1jOSx5NiO MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.133.5 with SMTP id v5mr3180747ywf.169.1446716551318; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.119.197 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:42:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:42:31 -0800 Message-ID: From: Ina Minei To: Cyril Margaria Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114f1e78220d970523c7f258 Archived-At: Cc: draft-minei-pce-association-group@ietf.org, "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Comments on draft-minei-pce-association-group X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 09:42:46 -0000 --001a114f1e78220d970523c7f258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cyril, Thank you for the review and discussion, please see inline ###. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Cyril Margaria wrote: > Hi, > > My comments on the document are: > > > 1) The format goes in the good,direction, but is not yet fully aligned > with rfc6780, is this planned for a future revision? > ### Yes, as we discussed with Loa at the IETF, we are changing the format, a new version of the document will be published next week. > 2) My concern is the following statements: > > "For both > cases, the association is uniquely identified by the combination of > an association identifier and the address of the PCE peer that > created the association." > > "Association Source: 4 or 16 bytes - An IPv4 or IPv6 address, which is > associated to the PCE peer that originated the association." > > Those statement are not aligned with the RSVP association is managed. > The reason stated is that the association state is tied to that PCE. > > Is this related to the fact that about any PCC/PCE can create association on a LSP? > > ### Same as above > 3) Association control : the PCC and any PCE can create associations: > this diverge from the existing mechanism from the statefull document. > In my opinion this aspect makes the control and state maintenance more > complicated. The use cases behind this multiple-controller model is not > very clear. > > If the association is under the control a single entity (PCC or PCE), as > in the stateful document, the association state then become part of the PCE > state and the rules described in the stateful document applies (it up to > the PCE who as delegation to set the association. > > This would also allow to get rid of the R bit, as mentioned by adrian (to > remove an association: simply not send it) > ### I disagree, the ability to have either create an association and allocate an identifier was a key requirement (you may recall that version 00 only allowed the PCE to create such associations, and we received a lot of feedback asking to lift this limitation). > > Which use cases will not be permitted by that mode of operation? > > > > --001a114f1e78220d970523c7f258 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cyril,=C2=A0

Thank you for the review a= nd discussion, please see inline ###.=C2=A0

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Cyril Marga= ria <cyril.margaria@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

My comments on the document are:
=C2=A0

= 1)=C2=A0 The format goes in the good,direction, but is not yet fully aligne= d with rfc6780, is this planned for a future revision?

### Yes, as we di= scussed with Loa at the IETF, we are changing the format, a new version of = the document will be published next week.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
2)=C2=A0 My concern is the following statements:
   "For b=
oth
   cases, the association is uniquely identified by the combination of
   an association identifier and the address of the PCE peer that
   created the association."

   "Association Source: 4 or =
16 bytes - An IPv4 or IPv6 address, which is
   associated to the PCE peer that originated the association."
Those statement are not aligned with the RSVP association is ma=
naged.
The reason stated is that the association state is tied to that P=
CE.

Is this related to the fact that about any PCC/PCE ca=
n create association on a LSP?
### Same as above=C2=A0
=C2=A0
3=
) Association control : the PCC and any PCE can create associations:
=C2=A0this diverge from the existing mechanism from the statefull docume=
nt.
In my opinion this aspect makes the control and state maintena=
nce more complicated. The use cases behind this multiple-controller model i=
s not very clear.

If the association is under the control a si=
ngle entity (PCC or PCE), as in the stateful document, the association stat=
e then become part of the PCE state and the rules described in the stateful=
 document=C2=A0 applies (it up to the PCE who as delegation to set the asso=
ciation. 

This would also allow to get rid of the R bit, as me=
ntioned by adrian (to remove an association: simply not send it) 
=


### I disagree, the ability to have =
either create an association and allocate an identifier was a key requireme=
nt (you may recall that version 00 only allowed the PCE to create such asso=
ciations, and we received a lot of feedback asking to lift this limitation)=
.=C2=A0

Which use cases will not be permitted by that mode of operation?
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Hi Ina,

On 11/5/2015 6:42 PM, Ina Minei wrote:
> Cyril, 
>
> Thank you for the review and discussion, please see inline ###. 
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Cyril Margaria
> > wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     My comments on the document are:
>      
>
>     1)  The format goes in the good,direction, but is not yet fully
>     aligned with rfc6780, is this planned for a future revision?
>
>
> ### Yes, as we discussed with Loa at the IETF, we are changing the
> format, a new version of the document will be published next week. 
>  
Loa = Lou = me, right?

To summarize, the changes are basically to:
1) Add the two optional 'extended' parameters introduced in rfc6780 as
optional sub-TLVs
2) change the field sizes to the same as rfc6780
3) to change the association source to be the same as 6780

We also discussed the R bit and I didn't have any objection to it (but
also don't see it as significant either way.)

Thanks for the easy resolution!
Lou

>     2)  My concern is the following statements:
>
>        "For both
>        cases, the association is uniquely identified by the combination of
>        an association identifier and the address of the PCE peer that
>        created the association."
>
>        "Association Source: 4 or 16 bytes - An IPv4 or IPv6 address, which is
>        associated to the PCE peer that originated the association."
>
>     Those statement are not aligned with the RSVP association is managed.
>     The reason stated is that the association state is tied to that PCE.
>
>     Is this related to the fact that about any PCC/PCE can create association on a LSP?
>
> ### Same as above 
>  
>
>     3) Association control : the PCC and any PCE can create associations:
>      this diverge from the existing mechanism from the statefull document.
>     In my opinion this aspect makes the control and state maintenance
>     more complicated. The use cases behind this multiple-controller
>     model is not very clear.
>
>     If the association is under the control a single entity (PCC or
>     PCE), as in the stateful document, the association state then
>     become part of the PCE state and the rules described in the
>     stateful document  applies (it up to the PCE who as delegation to
>     set the association.
>
>     This would also allow to get rid of the R bit, as mentioned by
>     adrian (to remove an association: simply not send it)
>
>
> ### I disagree, the ability to have either create an association and
> allocate an identifier was a key requirement (you may recall that
> version 00 only allowed the PCE to create such associations, and we
> received a lot of feedback asking to lift this limitation). 
>
>
>     Which use cases will not be permitted by that mode of operation?
>
>
>
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Hi all,

Nov. 05, 2015 - lberger@labn.net:
> Loa = Lou = me

Does it mean we've all been abused by this fake beard for years?!

Anyway, than you for working together during adoption polling: that is a 
strong move to build the consensus we are trying to judge there.

Regards,

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please see inline



3) Association control : the PCC and any PCE can create associations:
>  this diverge from the existing mechanism from the statefull document.
> In my opinion this aspect makes the control and state maintenance more
> complicated. The use cases behind this multiple-controller model is not
> very clear.
>
> If the association is under the control a single entity (PCC or PCE), as
> in the stateful document, the association state then become part of the PCE
> state and the rules described in the stateful document  applies (it up to
> the PCE who as delegation to set the association.
>
> This would also allow to get rid of the R bit, as mentioned by adrian (to
> remove an association: simply not send it)
>

### I disagree, the ability to have either create an association and
allocate an identifier was a key requirement (you may recall that version
00 only allowed the PCE to create such associations, and we received a lot
of feedback asking to lift this limitation).

[MC] I mixed different things here, some of them were clarified during the
discussion:
  -a)  Multiple-controller : I meant multiple PCE at the same time, the
authors clarified that only one PCE can set the association, the one having
the delegation.
    This is  implicit because only PCUpd and PCInitiate can change the
association, Additional text could make it more clear, that address the "This
diverge from the existing mechanism from the statefull document."
  b) I agree that the ability to have either create an association and
allocate an identifier is a key requirement, this should be kept.
        Do you mean that the R bit is required to do that? I did not find
this in the document. I have the view as Lou on it.
  c) Cleanup-procedure : this is addressed by the comment "3) to change the
association source to be the same as 6780" from Lou: as the state is not
per association source/PCE and point a), then the Associations is another
PCE-create parameter, so the draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce
 and
draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp
 do apply
and are sufficient to do the cleanup.

BR,
Cyril

>
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In my opinion this aspect makes the control and state =
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rol a single entity (PCC or PCE), as in the stateful document, the associat=
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bility to have either create an association and allocate an identifier was =
a key requirement (you may recall that version 00 only allowed the PCE to c=
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his limitation). 

[MC] I mixed different things here, som=
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=C2=A0 -a)=C2=
=A0 Multiple-controller : I meant multiple PCE at the same time, the author=
s clarified that only one PCE can set the association, the one having the d=
elegation. 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This is=C2=A0 implicit because=
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d make it more clear, that address the "This diverge from the ex=
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=C2=A0=
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id not find this in the document. I have the view as Lou on it.
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the Associations is another PCE-create parameter, so the draft-ietf-pce-stateful=
-pce and draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp do apply and are sufficie=
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=C2=A0
BR, 
Cyril 
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Authors,

1. The objective seems to be similar to draft-alvarez-pce-path-profiles-04.
    I believe this draft simplifies the encoding aspect by sending the
policy-id with RP/SRP object.

2. "operation" section mentions PCErr with Error-Type = 2 (Capability not
supported), this implies the PCC should not send more requests with
profile-id.
    Wouldn't it be better to advertise the PCE capability in Open message?

3. Motivation "a PCC can request a path that is diverse from any other path
originating from other PCC(s) from a stateful PCE."
   For the above application, the process in
draft-alvarez-pce-path-profiles-04 is better - IHMO.   The first profile-id
could be used for "path diversity" policy - the extended profile-id would
be used for grouping the LSPs that need to be path-diverse. The 2nd profile
id was added in last draft.

  In current draft,  operator has to allocate multiple policy Ids for "path
diverse" (one each for group of path diverse LSPs) - the 24bit range is
probably sufficient,  however there is overhead on operator to manage
profile-ids across different policies.

3b. It would not be possible to reserve IDs for policies mentioned in
motivation i.e. path diversity. If more policy application are desired -
use of reserved value eliminates configuration on PCE (operator side). I
believe this was possible with draft-alvarez-pce-path-profiles.

Regards,
Girish

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Authors,

1. The objective seems to be sim=
ilar to draft-alvarez-pce-path-profiles-04.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 I believe this draft simplifies the encoding aspect by sending the poli=
cy-id with RP/SRP object.

2. "operation" section mentions PCErr with Error-Type =3D 2=
 (Capability not supported), this implies the PCC should not send more requ=
ests with profile-id.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Wouldn't it be better to ad=
vertise the PCE capability in Open message? 

3. Motivatio=
n "a PCC can request a path that is
   diverse from any other path originating from other PCC(s) from a
   stateful PCE."
=C2=A0=C2=A0 For the above application=
, the process in draft-alvarez-pce-path-profiles-04 is better - IHMO.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 The first profile-id could be used for "path diversity" po=
licy - the extended profile-id would be used for grouping the LSPs that nee=
d to be path-diverse. The 2nd profile id was added in last draft.

=
=C2=A0 In current draft,=C2=A0 operator has to allocate multiple policy Ids=
 for "path diverse" (one each for group of path diverse LSPs) - t=
he 24bit range is probably sufficient,=C2=A0 however there is overhead on o=
perator to manage profile-ids across different policies. 
3b. It would not be possible to reserve IDs for policies mentio=
ned in motivation i.e. path diversity. If more policy application are desir=
ed - use of reserved value eliminates configuration on PCE (operator side).=
 I believe this was possible with draft-alvarez-pce-path-profiles.

<=
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Regards,
Girish



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Apologies for the awful spelling, and many thanks for the feedback.

The changes we discussed are now incorporated into version 04 of the draft
at
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-minei-pce-association-group-04.txt

Ina


On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Lou Berger  wrote:

> Hi Ina,
>
> On 11/5/2015 6:42 PM, Ina Minei wrote:
> > Cyril,
> >
> > Thank you for the review and discussion, please see inline ###.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Cyril Margaria
> > > wrote:
> >
> >     Hi,
> >
> >     My comments on the document are:
> >
> >
> >     1)  The format goes in the good,direction, but is not yet fully
> >     aligned with rfc6780, is this planned for a future revision?
> >
> >
> > ### Yes, as we discussed with Loa at the IETF, we are changing the
> > format, a new version of the document will be published next week.
> >
> Loa = Lou = me, right?
>
> To summarize, the changes are basically to:
> 1) Add the two optional 'extended' parameters introduced in rfc6780 as
> optional sub-TLVs
> 2) change the field sizes to the same as rfc6780
> 3) to change the association source to be the same as 6780
>
> We also discussed the R bit and I didn't have any objection to it (but
> also don't see it as significant either way.)
>
> Thanks for the easy resolution!
> Lou
>
> >     2)  My concern is the following statements:
> >
> >        "For both
> >        cases, the association is uniquely identified by the combination
> of
> >        an association identifier and the address of the PCE peer that
> >        created the association."
> >
> >        "Association Source: 4 or 16 bytes - An IPv4 or IPv6 address,
> which is
> >        associated to the PCE peer that originated the association."
> >
> >     Those statement are not aligned with the RSVP association is managed.
> >     The reason stated is that the association state is tied to that PCE.
> >
> >     Is this related to the fact that about any PCC/PCE can create
> association on a LSP?
> >
> > ### Same as above
> >
> >
> >     3) Association control : the PCC and any PCE can create associations:
> >      this diverge from the existing mechanism from the statefull
> document.
> >     In my opinion this aspect makes the control and state maintenance
> >     more complicated. The use cases behind this multiple-controller
> >     model is not very clear.
> >
> >     If the association is under the control a single entity (PCC or
> >     PCE), as in the stateful document, the association state then
> >     become part of the PCE state and the rules described in the
> >     stateful document  applies (it up to the PCE who as delegation to
> >     set the association.
> >
> >     This would also allow to get rid of the R bit, as mentioned by
> >     adrian (to remove an association: simply not send it)
> >
> >
> > ### I disagree, the ability to have either create an association and
> > allocate an identifier was a key requirement (you may recall that
> > version 00 only allowed the PCE to create such associations, and we
> > received a lot of feedback asking to lift this limitation).
> >
> >
> >     Which use cases will not be permitted by that mode of operation?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Apologies for the awful spelling, and many thanks for the =
feedback.=C2=A0

The changes we discussed are now incorpo=
rated into version 04 of the draft at=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mi=
nei-pce-association-group-04.txt

Ina=C2=A0


On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net><=
/span> wrote:
Hi Ina,



On 11/5/2015 6:42 PM, Ina Minei wrote:

> Cyril,

>

> Thank you for the review and discussion, please see inline ###.

>

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Cyril Margaria

> <cyril.margaria@gmail.com <mailto:cyril.margaria@gmail.com>> wrote:

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi,

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0My comments on the document are:

>

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01)=C2=A0 The format goes in the good,direction, but=
 is not yet fully

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0aligned with rfc6780, is this planned for a future =
revision?

>

>

> ### Yes, as we discussed with Loa at the IETF, we are changing the

> format, a new version of the document will be published next week.

>

Loa =3D Lou =3D me, right?



To summarize, the changes are basically to:

1) Add the two optional 'extended' parameters introduced in rfc6780=
 as

optional sub-TLVs

2) change the field sizes to the same as rfc6780

3) to change the association source to be the same as 6780



We also discussed the R bit and I didn't have any objection to it (but<=
br>
also don't see it as significant either way.)



Thanks for the easy resolution!

Lou




>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02)=C2=A0 My concern is the following statements:
>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "For both

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cases, the association is uniquely identifi=
ed by the combination of

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 an association identifier and the address o=
f the PCE peer that

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 created the association."

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Association Source: 4 or 16 bytes - A=
n IPv4 or IPv6 address, which is

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 associated to the PCE peer that originated =
the association."

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Those statement are not aligned with the RSVP assoc=
iation is managed.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The reason stated is that the association state is =
tied to that PCE.

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Is this related to the fact that about any PCC/PCE =
can create association on a LSP?

>

> ### Same as above

>

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03) Association control : the PCC and any PCE can cr=
eate associations:

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 this diverge from the existing mechanism from the =
statefull document.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In my opinion this aspect makes the control and sta=
te maintenance

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0more complicated. The use cases behind this multipl=
e-controller

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0model is not very clear.

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If the association is under the control a single en=
tity (PCC or

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0PCE), as in the stateful document, the association =
state then

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0become part of the PCE state and the rules describe=
d in the

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stateful document=C2=A0 applies (it up to the PCE w=
ho as delegation to

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0set the association.

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This would also allow to get rid of the R bit, as m=
entioned by

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0adrian (to remove an association: simply not send i=
t)

>

>

> ### I disagree, the ability to have either create an association and
> allocate an identifier was a key requirement (you may recall that

> version 00 only allowed the PCE to create such associations, and we
> received a lot of feedback asking to lift this limitation).

>

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Which use cases will not be permitted by that mode =
of operation?

>

>

>

>

>

>


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Note that we have posted
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-minei-pce-association-group-04.t=
xt,
aligning
with the object formats from RFC 6780 as per the discussions in the wg
meeting and on the mailing list.

We posted the new version before the adoption call completed after
discussion with Julien.

Thank you,

Ina

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Ina Minei  wrote:

> Support as co-author.
> Ina
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Zhangxian (Xian) 
> wrote:
>
>> Support as co-author.
>>
>> Xian
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Pce [pce-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=
=A8 Julien Meuric [
>> julien.meuric@orange.com]
>> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=884=E6=97=A5=
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>> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-associatio=
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>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you support
>> the adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a starting point
>> for a new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your answer.
>>
>> In any case, comments are welcome.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon, JP & Julien
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Note that we have posted=C2=A0=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-minei-pce-=
association-group-04.txt,=C2=A0aligning with the object formats from RF=
C 6780 as per the discussions in the wg meeting and on the mailing list.=C2=
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We posted the new version before the adoption call c=
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T=
hank you,=C2=A0

Ina=C2=A0

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:20 PM=
, Ina Minei <inaminei@google.com> wrote:
Support as co-author.
Ina

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Zhangxian (Xian) <zhang.xian@=
huawei.com> wrote:
Support =
as co-author.



Xian



________________________________________

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Pce [pce-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Julien Meuric=
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=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Pce] Poll on Adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-g=
roup-03




Dear all,



Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you support
the adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a starting point
for a new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your answer.



In any case, comments are welcome.



Regards,



Jon, JP & Julien



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    Hi Daniele,

    

    I am sorry, but:

    - the received document is not clear to me and deserves
    clarification to be properly commented;

    - I am strongly surprised by the deep change with respect to the
    previous version of the response shared before;

    - the proposed response does not match the scope of the liaised
    document; e.g., quoting section 3.1: "the reference point Db (see
    Figure 2), can use underlying technology based on IEEE 802.3
    Ethernet [2] or ITU-T  G.959.1  OTN", then why do we point to I-Ds
    related to WDM interfaces?

    

    As a result, I am very confused between the liaison and the proposed
    response...

    

    Cheers,

    

    Julien

    

    

    
Nov. 10, 2015 -
      daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com:

    

    

      
      
      
      

        
Hi CCAMP, TEAS
            and PCE,

        
 

        
Please find
            below a slightly revised text for the reply to the BBF
            liaison. We took the commitment to send this by mid of this
            week, please let us know if you have any concern with the
            text.

        
 

        
“The TEAS, PCE and CCAMP working groups
          would like to thank you for informing of us of the BBF effort
          on packet-optical networks and sending the document to us for
          review.

        
 

        
Reviewing the requirements proposed in the
          document, we noted the reference to IETF RFCs on GMPLS and PCE
          for satisfying the control requirements. As you progress your
          work, please inform us if you identify any gaps in order to
          satisfy these requirements.

        
 

        
For your information, IETF CCAMP is working
          on an update regarding the management and control of DWDM
          optical interface parameters and GMPLS protocols (please refer
          to draft-kdkgall-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk) which might be
          relevant to your project. This draft is still an individual
          contribution but it was indicated as “candidate for WG
          adoption†at the last meeting. The document has a set of
          companion documents defining extensions for SNMP
          (draft-galikunze-ccamp-dwdm-if-snmp-mib), LMP
          (draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp) and YANG data models ( 
            https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dharini-netmod-dwdm-if-yang-00
          ). These documents are still in the individual contribution
          status and will be evaluated for WG adoption after the
          framework.

        
Feedback from the BBF would be highly
          appreciated and can be provided on the CCAMP mailing list
          without the need for a formal liaison.â€

        
 

        
 

        
Thanks

        
Daniele &
            Fatai

        
 

        

          

            

              
From:
                  Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org]
                  On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli

                  Sent: domenica 1 novembre 2015 04:27

                  To: Zhenghaomian; 'ccamp@ietf.org';
                  pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG

                  Subject: Re: [Teas] Initial version for liaison
                  text //ç­”å¤:
                  CALL FOR VOLUNTEER - New Liaison Statement, "Achieving
                  Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces"

            

          

          
 

          
Hi Haomian, all,

          
 

          
Thanks for starting putting together
            the reply. Please find some updated proposals from my side.

          
 

          
===========================

          
The working groups in IETF routing
            area would like to thank you for sending this liaison. We
            much appreciate BBF on the effort of packet over optical,
            and sending the document to IETF CCAMP, TEAS and PCE WGs for
            review. This project defines a set of control plane
            requirements that the Physically Separated Model should be
            satisfied. We have some questions and comments:
            

          
 

          
Questions:

          

            •        
                It is not clear to us
            how the communication between the packet layer and the
            optical layer occurs. E.g. control channels, signaling and
            so on.

          

            •        
                We would like to see
            some more details on the management aspects between the
            packet domain and the optical domain.

          
Comments:

          

            •        
                When referring to PCE
            and related issues, e.g., in [R-26] and [R-27], it seems
            only stateless PCE (RFC4655) and corresponding PCEP
            (RFC5520) are included in the current version. As IETF PCE
            working group is investigating on stateful PCE, PCE
            Initiation and PCE as a Central Controller, which are
            planned to be published in the future, it is better to
            specify which kind of PCE is now referred by this documents.
            Moreover, RFC 5623, PCE-based inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS
            Traffic Engineering, may be a good reference for this
            document. 

          

            •        
                In section 4.4 when
            talking about SDN, Openflow is mentioned as a standard
            protocol to interact between packet nodes and DWDM nodes. We
            would like to suggest add PCE Protocol (PCEP) as another
            example, as it is currently used in IETF. Besides, it is
            suggest to reference to RFC 3413 about SNMP, and RFC 4208
            about GMPLS UNI.
            

          

            •        
                In section 4.5,
            [R-36] is not clear whether to be applied to the north-bound
            of SDN controller, or between the packet NE and SDN
            controller. We prefer the latter one.
            

          
 

          
It seems to us the requirements
            proposed in the current document could be addressed by the
            referenced RFCs defined for GMPLS, so we would like to make
            sure if you have identified any gaps, which need an update
            on GMPLS/PCEP to satisfy these requirements. IETF CCAMP is
            discussing to define a framework for Management and Control
            of DWDM optical interface parameters and GMPLS protocols
            that need to be updated, which might be relevant to your
            project, but this work in CCAMP is still in individual
            drafts stage. We would like to receive your input. 

          
============================

          
 

          
Thanks 

          
Daniele

          
 

          
> -----Original Message-----

          
> From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org]
            On Behalf Of Zhenghaomian

          
> Sent: martedì 27 ottobre 2015
            18:17

          
> To: 'ccamp@ietf.org'; pce@ietf.org;
            TEAS WG

          
> Subject: [CCAMP] Initial version
            for liaison text //ç­”å¤: CALL FOR

          
> VOLUNTEER - New Liaison
            Statement, "Achieving Packet Network

          
> Optimization using DWDM
            Interfaces"

          
> 

          
> Hi, All,

          
> 

          
> After reviewing the liaison and
            document from BBF, we would like to provide

          
> the following text as an initial
            version for response. Please help review, your

          
> comments are highly welcomed.

          
> 

          
>
            =====================================for

          
>
            discussion================================================

          
> The working groups in IETF
            routing area would like to thank you for sending

          
> this liaison. We much appreciate
            BBF on the effort of packet over optical, and

          
> sending the document to IETF
            CCAMP, TEAS and PCE WGs for review. This

          
> project defines a set of control
            plane requirements that the Physically

          
> Separated Model should be
            satisfied. We are generally fine about the

          
> content, with some minor
            suggestions listed as follow for your reference:

          
> 

          
> • When referring to PCE and
            related issues, e.g., in [R-26] and [R-27], it

          
> seems only stateless PCE
            (RFC4655) and corresponding PCEP (RFC5520) are

          
> included in the current version.
            As IETF PCE working group is investigating on

          
> stateful PCE, PCE Initiation and
            PCE as a Central Controller, which are planned

          
> to be published in the future, it
            is better to specify which kind of PCE is now

          
> referred by this documents.
            Moreover, RFC 5623, PCE-based inter-layer

          
> MPLS and GMPLS Traffic
            Engineering, may be a good reference for this

          
> document.

          
> • In section 4.4 when talking
            about SDN, Openflow is mentioned as a

          
> standard protocol to interact
            between packet nodes and DWDM nodes. We

          
> would like to suggest add PCE
            Protocol (PCEP) as another example, as it is

          
> currently used in IETF. Besides,
            it is suggest to reference to RFC 3413 about

          
> SNMP, and RFC 4208 about GMPLS
            UNI.

          
> • In section 4.5, [R-36] is not
            clear whether to be applied to the north-bound

          
> of SDN controller, or between the
            packet NE and SDN controller. We prefer

          
> the latter one.

          
> 

          
> It seems to us the requirements
            proposed in the current document could be

          
> addressed by the referenced RFCs
            defined for GMPLS, so we would like to

          
> make sure if you have identified
            any gaps, which need an update on GMPLS

          
> to satisfy these requirements.
            IETF CCAMP is discussing to define a

          
> framework for Management and
            Control of DWDM optical interface

          
> parameters and GMPLS protocols
            that need to be updated, which might be

          
> relevant to your project, but
            this work in CCAMP is still in individual drafts

          
> stage. We would like to receive
            your input.

          
>
            ==========================================================

          
>
            ========================================================

          
> 

          
> Thanks.

          
> 

          
> Best wishes,

          
> Haomian

          
> 

          
> -----邮件原件-----

          
> å‘件人: Zhenghaomian

          
> å‘é€æ—¶é—´: 2015å¹´10月21æ—¥ 11:11

          
> 收件人: Daniele
            Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang

          
> 抄é€:
            ccamp@ietf.org

          
> 主题:
            ç­”å¤: CALL FOR
            VOLUNTEER - New Liaison Statement, "Achieving

          
> Packet Network Optimization using
            DWDM Interfaces"

          
> 

          
> Daniele, Fatai and All,

          
> 

          
> I would like to volunteer for
            generating the response liaison, as the topic is

          
> highly related to my research
            work. I will review the document and share my

          
> comments early next week. Please
            also feel free to share your opinion,

          
> thanks.

          
> 

          
> Best wishes,

          
> Haomian

          
> 

          
> -----邮件原件-----

          
> å‘件人: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org]
            代表 Daniele
            Ceccarelli

          
> å‘é€æ—¶é—´: 2015å¹´10月20æ—¥ 23:46

          
> 收件人: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)

          
> 主题: [CCAMP] CALL FOR
            VOLUNTEER - New Liaison Statement, "Achieving

          
> Packet Network Optimization using
            DWDM Interfaces"

          
> 

          
> WG,

          
> 

          
> We received this liaison from BBF
            on Packet-Optical integration.

          
> I'm copying the links to liaison
            and attachment here for your convenience

          
> Liaison:  
              https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1432/

          
> Attachment: https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2015-

          
>
                10-16-broadband-forum-rtg-ccamp-teas-achieving-packet-network-

          
>
                optimization-using-dwdm-interfaces-attachment-1.pdf

          
> 

          
> We'd really like 1 or 2
            volunteers interested in the topic to draft an answer to

          
> the liaison before the meeting in
            Yokohama so to be able to discuss it on the

          
> list and reply during or
            immediately after the meeting.

          
> 

          
> Please consider volunteering.

          
> Thanks

          
> Fatai & Daniele

          
> 

          
> > -----Original Message-----

          
> > From: Liaison Statement
            Management Tool [mailto:lsmt@ietf.org]

          
> > Sent: venerdì 16 ottobre
            2015 22:05

          
> > To: db3546@att.com;
            vbeeram@juniper.net;
            akatlas@gmail.com;

          
> > aretana@cisco.com;
            lberger@labn.net;
            zhangfatai@huawei.com;
            Daniele

          
> > Ceccarelli

          
> > Cc: Alvaro Retana; Deborah
            Brungard; David Sinicrope; Fatai Zhang;

          
> > Alia Atlas; Vishnu Pavan
            Beeram; The IETF Chair; Daniele Ceccarelli;

          
> > Lou Berger; Common Control
            and Measurement Plane Discussion List;

          
> > michael.fargano@centurylink.com;
            Traffic Engineering Architecture and

          
> > Signaling Discussion List

          
> > Subject: New Liaison
            Statement, "Achieving Packet Network Optimization

          
> > using DWDM Interfaces"

          
> >

          
> > Title: Achieving Packet
            Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces

          
> > Submission Date: 2015-10-16
            URL of the IETF Web page:

          
> > 
              https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1432/

          
> > Please reply by 2015-11-08

          
> > From:  (David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>)

          
> > To:  (vbeeram@juniper.net,
            lberger@labn.net,
            akatlas@gmail.com,

          
> > aretana@cisco.com,
            db3546@att.com,
            daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com,

          
> > zhangfatai@huawei.com)

          
> > Cc:

          
> > Response Contacts: 
              michael.fargano@centurylink.com
            Technical Contacts:

          
> > Purpose: For comment

          
> >

          
> > Body: Dear IETF Routing Area
            and Working Group Leaders:

          
> >

          
> > As previously communicated,
            we have been working on a project entitled

          
> > “Achieving Packet Network
            Optimization using DWDM Interfaces†and are

          
> > referencing work being done
            by IETF CCAMP and TEAS in this area. We

          
> > are pleased to report that
            we have made significant progress towards

          
> > completion of our
            specifications. Specifically,

          
> >

          
> > o TR-319 Base, “Achieving
            Packet Network Optimization using DWDM

          
> > Interfacesâ€, was published
            June 2015 o TR-319 Part A, “Achieving

          
> > Packet Network Optimization
            using DWDM Interfaces – Physically

          
> > Integrated Modelâ€, was
            published June 2015

          
> >

          
> > WT-319 Part B, Achieving
            Packet Network Optimization using DWDM

          
> > Interfaces – Physically
            Separated, Logically Separated, is undergoing

          
> > Straw Ballot (similar to
            IETF WG Last Call), and we are attaching it for your

          
> review and comment.

          
> >

          
> > Our ballot period closes on
            November 8, 2015. If it is at all

          
> > possible, we would
            appreciate and look forward to any input in time

          
> > for our ballot close. The
            next meeting of BBF occurs November 16,

          
> > 2015. A schedule of our
            future meetings appears below.

          
> >

          
> > We want to express our
            appreciation for your continued consideration

          
> > of this important topic.

          
> >

          
> > Sincerely,

          
> > Michael Fargano,

          
> > Broadband Forum Technical
            Committee Chair

          
> >

          
> > Date of Upcoming Broadband
            Forum Meetings DATES LOCATION

          
> November 16 –

          
> > 20, 2015 Puerto Vallarta,
            Mexico February 1 – 5, 2016 Asia Pac

          
> > (precise location TBD)

          
> >

          
> > Note: A list of upcoming
            meetings can also be found at

          
> > http://www.broadbandforum.

          
> >
            org/meetings/upcomingmeetingsataglance.php

          
> >

          
> > Attachments:

          
> > § WT-319 Part B Straw Ballot
            Text (bbf2015.071.07)

          
> > Attachments:

          
> >

          
> >     Attachment

          
> >     
              https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2015-10-16-

          
> >
            broadband-forum-rtg-ccamp-teas-achieving-packet-network-optimization-

          
> >
            using-dwdm-interfaces-attachment-1.pdf

          
> >

          
> >     Statement

          
> >     
              https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2015-10-16-

          
> >
            broadband-forum-rtg-ccamp-teas-achieving-packet-network-optimization-

          
> >
            using-dwdm-interfaces-attachment-2.pdf

          
> 

          
>
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Hi Ina,

Following our fruitful discussing in Yokohama, please find [JM]'s note 
below. Just a few items are pending, I hope you will soon find an 
agreement with your co-authors.

WG, if you disagree with the proposed change about discovery bit 
allocation below, please let us know.

Julien


Oct. 26, 2015 - inaminei@google.com:
> Julien,
>
> Thank you for the detailed review, please find answers inline below 
> ###.  I have incorporated the overwhelming majority of the comments, 
> explained the reason for not incorporating a couple of them, and am 
> still working with the co-authors on a couple of items marked 
> "pending", which we will close on shortly.
>
> Two questions and one ask
> 1. Forward references to SRP object and SRP-ID - there are several in 
> the comments, though the relevant section is always mentioned. How 
> should such forward references be addressed?
[JM] A simple way is to add the acronym and its expansion into the 
terminology section, and optionally the forward reference.

> 2. Section 7 - s/defined in this document/defined in that 
> (aforementioned) document/
> The comment was not clear to me. The intention is for the flags to be 
> set as explained for the new objects we are defining here, can you 
> clarify the comment?
[JM] Just suggesting a rewording, but my proposal was not clear either; 
"this current I-D" may be enough to clear the ambiguity.

> 3. Can you please review the comments that were not incorporated and 
> let us know if you agree?
[JM] See below.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ina
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Julien Meuric 
>  wrote:

>
>     - s/Active Stateful PCE: is an extension/Active Stateful PCE: an
>     extension/
>
>  ### Replaced as "an Active Stateful PCE that may issue 
> recommendations...
>
[JM] Guessing you actually meant "a Stateful PCE that may...", it is OK.


>
>     - OLD
>     Redelegation Timeout Interval: when a PCEP session is terminated,
>     a PCC waits for this time period before revoking LSP delegation to
>     a PCE and attempting to redelegate LSPs associated with the
>     terminated PCEP session to an alternate PCE.
>       NEW
>     Redelegation Timeout Interval: the period of time a PCE waits for,
>     when a PCEP session is terminated, before revoking LSP delegation
>     to a PCE and attempting to redelegate LSPs associated with the
>     terminated PCEP session to an alternate PCE.
>
> ### Done
>
>
>     - OLD
>     State Timeout Interval: when a PCEP session is terminated, a PCC
>     waits for this time period before flushing LSP state associated
>     with that PCEP session and reverting to operator-defined default
>     parameters or behaviors.
>       NEW
>     State Timeout Interval: the period of time a PCE waits for, when a
>     PCEP session is terminated, before flushing LSP state associated
>     with that PCEP session and reverting to operator-defined default
>     parameters or behaviors.
>
> ### Done
[JM] I hope you caught my (double) typo: I was only trying to rephrase, 
the waiting party remaining the PCC.


>
>     - Section 3.1.3 includes 2 paragraphs "Scale and Performance":
>     they should either be merged, or the old text version should be
>     dropped.
>
> ### Done, new text below:
>   o  Scale & Performance: configuration operations often have
>        transactional semantics which are typically heavyweight and often
>        require processing of additional configuration portions beyond the
>        state being directly acted upon, with corresponding cost in CPU
>        cycles, negatively impacting both PCC stability LSP update rate
>        capacity.
[JM] Looks fine to me.


>
>     - The reference to draft-sivabalan-pce-disco-stateful makes the
>     reader wonder why is is not part of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce
>     itself. Besides, Table 1 also mentions IS-IS and OSPF
>     PCE-CAP-FLAGS sub-TLV, only the allocation section seems to be
>     missing here. Would you talk to the authors (some being common to
>     both I-Ds) of the former to consider using their material as a
>     contribution? A separate document is quite an overhead for
>     allocating 2 bits.
>
>
> ### I don't think discovery should be part of the base draft. Several 
> reasons: a) 5440 does not include discovery, b) the base spec is 
> already quite large, we want to keep only the core function and  c) 
> the discovery draft is expired. I cleaned up table 1 and added the 
> following text instead of the reference to the draft:
> Old text
> [I-D.sivabalan-pce-disco-stateful] defines the extensions needed 
> tosupport autodiscovery of stateful PCEs when using OSPF ([RFC5088]) 
> or IS-IS ([RFC5089]) for PCE discovery.
> New text
> Similarly to [RFC5440], no assumption is made about the discovery 
> method used by a PCC to discover a set of PCEs (e.g., via static 
> configuration or dynamic discovery) and on the algorithm used to 
> select a PCE. Extensions needed to support autodiscovery will be 
> defined in a separate document.
[JM] Along with RFC 5557 and 6006, including discovery bit allocation 
with PCEP extensions in a single document would save much administrative 
processing.


>
>     - s/include an empty ERO/include an empty RRO/ [Along with RFC
>     5440 (section 7.10), the object sent by a PCC to report to a PCE
>     is an RRO: let us keep it consistent.]
>
> ### XXX Pending
[JM] As discussed, clarifying that you encode the "intended path" using 
ERO (class 7) and "actual path" using RRO (class 8) will address my 
comments related to xROs.


>
>     - Avoiding "positive acknowledgements for properly received
>     synchronization messages" has scalability benefits in normal
>     situations, but the PCC is blind and may keep on sending PCRpt to
>     dead processes behind up PCEP sessions. Have you consider
>     acknowledgement, possibly using a compression mechanism like the
>     one defined later in the I-D?
>
> ### XXX Pending
>
>
>     - When mentioning errors, adding a sentence reminding that RFC
>     5440 already defines a set of applicable error codes would be
>     valuable.
>
> ### XXX Pending
>

>
>     - In section 5.5.1, it is not clear if an empty LSP Update Request
>     with a Delegate flag to 1 is an acceptable way for a PCE to send a
>     delegation acknowledgement: to be clarified.
>
> ### XXX Pending

>
>     - s/SHOULD return the LSP delegation/MUST return the LSP delegation/
>
> ### This should remain SHOULD. The nice way to do it is to return it 
> explicitly, but it may choose to wait until the next update and return 
> the delegation then by not setting the delegate flag.
[JM] As discussed together, I can live with that.

>     - In section 5.5.3, assuming an LSP was delegated, does the
>     reception by the PCC of a non empty LSP Update Request with a
>     Delegate Flag to 0 trigger an error?
>
> ### XXX Pending

>
>     - At the top of page 18, "and [assuming that] PCEs' decisions are
>     the same" should be added.
>
> ### The comment is not clear - I am assuming you refer to the text 
> "assuming that the state timeout... ' on page 17, changed to: " and 
> assuming that the primary and redundant PCEs take similar decisions, this"
  [JM] You got my point. :-)


>
>     - In section 5.6.2, in case of new LSP, the very first message
>     sent by the PCC aims at getting a path. This is clearly the role
>     of a PCReq message, and the I-D extends it to support the LSP
>     object including the delegation flag (section 7.3). However,
>     Figure 8 treats a new LSP the same way as reporting an existing
>     LSP, i.e., using a PCRpt message. In this case, there is an
>     overlap between PCReq and PCRpt, which MUST be resolved because
>     interoperability is at stake. Documenting the delegation of a new
>     LSP deserves some new text and possibly figure, the overlapping
>     specification of the PCRpt should be explicitly precluded.
>
> ### This is historical confusion in the figure, from the time when 
> initiation was rolled up in the same document. I modified the figure 
> so it is clear this is for updating parameters only.
  [JM] Seems addressed. Just to be confirmed when published and to 
confront with draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp.


>
>     - s/// [Per RFC 5440, a
>     report from PCC to PCE is RRO.]
>
> ### XXX Pending
[JM] As above.

>     - The need for the optional xRO is not well documented. Its proper
>     naming will depend on the associated use that must be clarified.
>     - "SRP" is still not defined.
>
> ### Isn't it enough to reference the section in which it is defined?
  [JM] Once added in terminology section, all these are solved.


>
>     - The use of the optional xRO is mentioned, but its relationship
>     with the RRO (formerly ERO) is not clear. I suspect some
>     assumptions are made on the way the ERO/RRO are populated; RFC
>     5440 only says ERO for PCE->PCC and RRO for PCC->PCE.
>
> ### XXX Pending
[JM] As above.


>
>     - The behavior associated to the resource limit per PCC rather
>     looks like a Notifcation than an Error (e.g., in RFC 5440,
>     cancelling a set of pending requests relies on PCNtf). Please
>     consider the use of Notification instead of Error here.
>
> ### XXX Pending
[JM] To be updated.


>
>     - s/defined in this document/defined in that (aforementioned)
>     document/
>
> ### Unclear comment, the intention was for the flags to be set as 
> explained for the new objects in this document, not for anything in 5440.
[JM] As above: adding "current" may be enough.


>
>     - s/on a PCRpt message/On a PCRpt or PCReq message/
>
> ### We don't support delegation through a PCReq message
[JM] Addressed as part of the resolution of the new path delegation.


>
>     - "PCE SHOULD remove all state" is written 3 times: I wonder about
>     "MUST".
>
> ### SHOULD is the correct operation, the PCE is free to choose to keep 
> state around for as long as it wishes. The 3 removal statements refer 
> to different scenarios.
  [JM] I can live with that.


>
>     - It would be nice to elaborate on the reason why the
>     SYMBOLIC-PATH-NAME MUST be included and not SHOULD.
>     - I do not see why SYMBOLIC-PATH-NAME may be included in SRP
>     Object: defining the LSP Object as its single place seems enough
>     and much simpler.
>
>
> ### XXX  Pending

> - As mentioned above, in Error-Type 19, Error-value 4 should be 
> considered in a PCNtf.
> ### XXX Pending

>
>     - Again in section 10.4, the "resource limit exceed" information
>     (Error-value 4 of Error-Type 19) should be considered in a PCNtf.
>
> ### XXX Pending



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Hi WG,

The draft copy of the minutes are uploaded -

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/minutes/minutes-94-pce

Please let us know if some corrections should be made.

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Hi WG,

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Picking up on the one point about the asymmetry of TLS, I agree that the
crypto is symmetric once the master key has been created.  The weakness
is the underlying assumption, at least when SSL started, that there is a
human sitting at the client end who can respond to messages about the
certificate being invalid (something my MUA offers me at least once a
day for the past week, for reasons I cannot divine) or any other hiccup
in the process prior to the establishment of the master key  You can
argue that almost all users haven't a clue about certificates and almost
all systems are configured by default to suppress any such messages, but
the technology is there for those who want adequate security, at least
when there is a human at the TLS client.

What I worry about with such as PCE is getting an adequate check of the
authentication, with a focus on how to validate certificates.  As I said
before, I have been involved with this with I-Ds on SNMP and Netconf and
have seen much arise, even at the IESG stage, with some comments that to
me seem misplaced; but as they are DISCUSS, they have to be taken
seriously.

So I value the early intervention of the Security Directorate to try and
fix such issues sooner, and so cheaper, rather than later.

Tom Petch

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> Hi Tom,
>
> Thanks for the review. We will update the draft text addressing your
comments and those we received form Cyril. Some notes inline below
>
> On 4 Nov 2015, at 19:55 , t.p.
> wrote:
>
> s.3 At first, I was unsure whether or not both parties sent a
StartTLS.
> "The StartTLS message is a PCEP message sent by a PCC to a PCE and by
>   a PCE to a PCC " suggests both
> "Once the TCP connection has been successfully established, the first
>   message sent by the PCC to the PCE or  by the PCE to the PCC MUST be
> a
>   StartTLS message " suggests only one.
> Section 3.3 makes it clearer that both send it.  This is fine but I am
> unaware of any other protocol where this happens so I would suggest
> /or/and/ in that second sentence and expanding the earlier sentence
> OLD
>   2.  Initiating the TLS Procedures by the StartTLS message.
> NEW
>   2.  Initiating the TLS Procedures by the StartTLS message from PCE
to
> PCC and from PCC to PCE.
>
> DRL> You are right in the ambiguity and we will correct it as you
suggest.
>
> I focus on this because I was also looking to see which became TLS
> Client.  TLS is asymmetric, designed to authenticate a (HTTP) server
to
> a client.  Netconf (and SNMP), which I know better, struggled with
this
> because the key for Netconf is to authenticate the client to the
server,
> which TLS does not do so well. Posts on the TLS list suggest that
there
> are very few implementations of TLS client authentication, rather
> something else is done once the secure channel has been established.
>
> DRL> I’d not say there are few implementations, but that client
authentication is not commonly employed, especially in the web
environment where other mechanisms are preferred, like using a TLS
connection based on server authentication to retrieve password
credentials from the user… As far as I can tell, TLS is only asymmetric
in this requirement for authentication of both peers, as the crypto
exchanges become essentially equal if client authentication is required.
>
> So, do you care who is TLS client and who TLS server?  It will be
> interesting to see a security review of this.
>
> DRL> What we had in mind was that the natural approach taking into
account the structure of PCEP was to have the PCC peer acting as client
and the PCE acting as server. We’ll include a requirement in section 3.2
on this.  I do not see any security issue here, but we could certainly
request the UTA WG to make a review. I’d say this completely falls under
their area of interest.
>
> In passing, RFC7465 prohibits RC4 with TLS so I would think it
unlikely
> that
> "SHOULD support  TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_SHA"  will be acceptable.
>
> DRL> Good catch. It will ve deleted in the coming version.
>
> Be goode,
>
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Support,

On 3 November 2015 at 19:36, Julien Meuric  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you support
> the adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a starting point
> for a new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your answer.
>
> In any case, comments are welcome.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon, JP & Julien
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Support, 

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Hello,



The TEAS, PCE and CCAMP Working Groups would like to thank the Broadband Fo=
rum for informing us of your effort on packet-optical networks, and providi=
ng the IETF with the opportunity to review and comment on your document and=
 its use of our RFCs.



We have conducted an initial review where we noted the references to IETF R=
FCs on GMPLS and PCE for satisfying the control requirements.

Below is some preliminary feedback based on this initial review we hope you=
 will find helpful and consider for the document.   However, given the rece=
nt IETF 94 meeting activity, we regret there was little time to conduct a t=
horough technical review of the document.  We understand the document is in=
 the last call stage of development.   If time and the BBF process allows, =
the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS Working Groups would be happy to conduct a more in =
depth technical review over the coming weeks.  Please let us know if you wi=
sh us to proceed with such a review.



As the Broadband Forum progresses its work on "Achieving Packet Network Opt=
imization using DWDM Interfaces", we would greatly appreciate if you keep u=
s informed of any gaps you identify in the RFCs that are needed to satisfy =
these requirements.  Feedback from the BBF on existing and progressing CCAM=
P, PCE and TEAS work would be greatly appreciated and can be provided via t=
he relevant IETF Working Group mailing list without the need for a formal l=
iaison.



We look forward to your response and our continued communication on this im=
portant area of optical networking.

Best Regards,

Daniele Ceccarelli & Fatai Zhang - CCAMP Working Group Chairs

Jonathan Hardwick, Julien Meuric & Jean-Philippe Vasseur - PCE Working Grou=
p Chairs

Vishnu Pavan Beeram & Lou Berger - TEAS Working Group Chairs



---------------------------

Preliminary Feedback

---------------------------

Questions:

*             In A.2.1, how is the GMPLS communication between the Packet N=
ode and the DWDM Network Element achieved?  Is there a specific control int=
erface that is used in your solution? There are a number of possibilities f=
or control channel connectivity available.   Perhaps clarifying which are i=
ntended would aid understanding and interoperability.

*             Are there more details on the management and SDN control aspe=
cts between the packet network and the optical network?  Additional managem=
ent and SDN control detail might convey a better understanding of the solut=
ion configuration and its operation.



Comments:

*             When referring to PCE and related issues, e.g., in [R-26] and=
 [R-27], it seems only stateless PCE (RFC4655) and corresponding PCEP (RFC5=
440) are included in the current solution.   The PCE Working Group is inves=
tigating stateful PCE and  PCE Initiated LSPs, which are planned to be publ=
ished in the future.  It may be worth specifying which kind of PCE is sugge=
sted to be used in the current solution, to differentiate the two.  Has RFC=
 5623 - PCE-based inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering been consi=
dered?  It may be a good reference for this solution.

*             In section 4.4 when talking about SDN, Openflow is mentioned =
as a standard protocol to interact between packet nodes and DWDM nodes. PCE=
 Protocol (PCEP) could be considered as another example, as it is currently=
 used in IETF.  RFC 3413 about SNMP, and RFC 4208 about GMPLS UNI are also =
recommended references.

*             In section 4.5, [R-36] uses the term "North-Bound interface" =
to refer to the interface between Network Elements and the SDN controller. =
 We noted that some commonly use the same term when referring to the interf=
ace between the controller and what sits "above" the controller (e.g. anoth=
er controller or orchestrator).  This could lead to unintended misunderstan=
ding.  Perhaps a clarification would help avoid misunderstanding.


From: David Sinicrope
Sent: venerd=EC 16 ottobre 2015 19:22
To: Alia Atlas, Routing Area Director,; Deborah Brungard, Routing Area Dire=
ctor; Alvaro Retana, Routing Area Director; Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang=
, CCAMP Co-Chair; Vishnu Pavan Beeram, TEAS Co-Chair; Lou Berger, TEAS Co-C=
hair; IETF Statements,
Cc: michael.fargano@centurylink.com; Robin Mersh, Broadband Forum CEO; Gabr=
ielle Bingham, Broadband Forum Secretariat; David Sinicrope; Drew Rexrode I=
I, BBF Routing and Transport Area Director; Oscar Gonzalez de Dios, CCAMP S=
ecretary; Matt Hartley, TEAS Secretary; Dean Cheng, Packet Optical Evolutio=
n Project Stream Lead
Subject: Broadband Forum Liaison: Achieving Packet Network Optimization usi=
ng DWDM Interfaces

Hi All,
Please find attached a liaison from the Broadband Forum and its associated =
attachments.
Please let me know if you have trouble receiving or opening the liaison.
Best Regards,
Dave Sinicrope
IETF-BBF Liaison Manager

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Hello,


 


The TEAS, PCE and CCAMP Working Groups would like=
 to thank the Broadband Forum for informing us of your effort on packet-opt=
ical networks, and providing the IETF with the opportunity to review and co=
mment on your document and its use
 of our RFCs.


 


We have conducted an initial review where we note=
d the references to IETF RFCs on GMPLS and PCE for satisfying the control r=
equirements.



Below is some preliminary feedback based on this =
initial review we hope you will find helpful and consider for the document.=
   However, given the recent IETF 94 meeting activity, we regret =
there was little time to conduct a thorough
 technical review of the document.  We understand the document is in t=
he last call stage of development.   If time and the BBF process =
allows, the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS Working Groups would be happy to conduct a =
more in depth technical review over the coming
 weeks.  Please let us know if you wish us to proceed with such a revi=
ew.


   


As the Broadband Forum progresses its work on &qu=
ot;Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces", we wo=
uld greatly appreciate if you keep us informed of any gaps you identify in =
the RFCs that are needed to satisfy these requirements. 
 Feedback from the BBF on existing and progressing CCAMP, PCE and TEAS work=
 would be greatly appreciated and can be provided via the relevant IETF Wor=
king Group mailing list without the need for a formal liaison.

 


We look forward to your response and our continue=
d communication on this important area of optical networking.

Best Regards,


Daniele Ceccarelli & Fatai Zhang - CCAMP Work=
ing Group Chairs


Jonathan Hardwick, Julien Meuric & Jean-Phili=
ppe Vasseur - PCE Working Group Chairs



Vishnu Pavan Beeram & Lou Berger - TEAS Worki=
ng Group Chairs



 


---------------------------


Preliminary Feedback


---------------------------


Questions:


•       =
      In A.2.1, how is the GMPLS communication bet=
ween the Packet Node and the DWDM Network Element achieved?  Is there =
a specific control interface that is used in your solution? There are a num=
ber of possibilities for control
 channel connectivity available.   Perhaps clarifying which are i=
ntended would aid understanding and interoperability.


•       =
      Are there more details on the management and=
 SDN control aspects between the packet network and the optical network?&nb=
sp; Additional management and SDN control detail might convey a better unde=
rstanding of the solution configuration
 and its operation.


 


Comments:


•       =
      When referring to PCE and related issues, e.=
g., in [R-26] and [R-27], it seems only stateless PCE (RFC4655) and corresp=
onding PCEP (RFC5440) are included in the current solution.   The=
 PCE Working Group is investigating
 stateful PCE and  PCE Initiated LSPs, which are planned to be publish=
ed in the future.  It may be worth specifying which kind of PCE is sug=
gested to be used in the current solution, to differentiate the two.  =
Has RFC 5623 - PCE-based inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS
 Traffic Engineering been considered?  It may be a good reference for =
this solution.



•       =
      In section 4.4 when talking about SDN, Openf=
low is mentioned as a standard protocol to interact between packet nodes an=
d DWDM nodes. PCE Protocol (PCEP) could be considered as another example, a=
s it is currently used in
 IETF.  RFC 3413 about SNMP, and RFC 4208 about GMPLS UNI are also rec=
ommended references.



•       =
      In section 4.5, [R-36] uses the term "N=
orth-Bound interface" to refer to the interface between Network Elemen=
ts and the SDN controller.  We noted that some commonly use the same t=
erm when referring to the interface between
 the controller and what sits "above" the controller (e.g. anothe=
r controller or orchestrator).  This could lead to unintended misunder=
standing.  Perhaps a clarification would help avoid misunderstanding.<=
o:p>


 


 








From: David Si=
nicrope


Sent: venerd=EC 16 ottobre 2015 19:22

To: Alia Atlas, Routing Area Director,; Deborah Brungard, Routing Ar=
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In this text:

   The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be understood
   by a legacy implementation.  If one of the subobjects is received in
   a PCEP object that does not understand it, it will behave as
   described in Section 3.4.3.  
   
I think something is confused. Do PCEP objects understand subobjects? Or
is this 

   The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be understood
   by legacy implementations.  If a legacy implementation receives one 
   of the subobjects that it does not understand in a PCEP object, the
   legacy implementation will behave as described in Section 3.4.3. 

correct?



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> this
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> correct?

Your wording is much better; the change is made in the working copy.=20

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Update to Include Route Object (IRO) specification in Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP)
        Author          : Dhruv Dhody
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-iro-update-03.txt
	Pages           : 6
	Date            : 2015-11-16

Abstract:
   During discussions of a document to provide a standard representation
   and encoding of Domain-Sequence within the Path Computation Element
   (PCE) communication Protocol (PCEP) for communications between a Path
   Computation Client (PCC) and a PCE, or between two PCEs, it was
   determined that there was a need for clarification with respect to
   the ordered nature of the Include Route Object (IRO).

   An informal survey was conducted to determine the state of current
   and planned implementation with respect to IRO ordering and handling
   of Loose bit (L bit).

   This document updates the IRO specification of RFC 5440 based on the
   survey conclusion and recommendation.


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Hi WG,=20

This update is made to avoid expiration.=20
The document is awaiting Shepherd review/writeup. =20

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>    (PCE) communication Protocol (PCEP) for communications between a Path
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>    determined that there was a need for clarification with respect to
>    the ordered nature of the Include Route Object (IRO).
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>    and planned implementation with respect to IRO ordering and handling
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Regards,
Mike

On Nov 16, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli > wrote:


Hello,



The TEAS, PCE and CCAMP Working Groups would like to thank the Broadband Fo=
rum for informing us of your effort on packet-optical networks, and providi=
ng the IETF with the opportunity to review and comment on your document and=
 its use of our RFCs.



We have conducted an initial review where we noted the references to IETF R=
FCs on GMPLS and PCE for satisfying the control requirements.

Below is some preliminary feedback based on this initial review we hope you=
 will find helpful and consider for the document.   However, given the rece=
nt IETF 94 meeting activity, we regret there was little time to conduct a t=
horough technical review of the document.  We understand the document is in=
 the last call stage of development.   If time and the BBF process allows, =
the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS Working Groups would be happy to conduct a more in =
depth technical review over the coming weeks.  Please let us know if you wi=
sh us to proceed with such a review.



As the Broadband Forum progresses its work on "Achieving Packet Network Opt=
imization using DWDM Interfaces", we would greatly appreciate if you keep u=
s informed of any gaps you identify in the RFCs that are needed to satisfy =
these requirements.  Feedback from the BBF on existing and progressing CCAM=
P, PCE and TEAS work would be greatly appreciated and can be provided via t=
he relevant IETF Working Group mailing list without the need for a formal l=
iaison.



We look forward to your response and our continued communication on this im=
portant area of optical networking.

Best Regards,

Daniele Ceccarelli & Fatai Zhang - CCAMP Working Group Chairs

Jonathan Hardwick, Julien Meuric & Jean-Philippe Vasseur - PCE Working Grou=
p Chairs

Vishnu Pavan Beeram & Lou Berger - TEAS Working Group Chairs



---------------------------

Preliminary Feedback

---------------------------

Questions:

=95             In A.2.1, how is the GMPLS communication between the Packet=
 Node and the DWDM Network Element achieved?  Is there a specific control i=
nterface that is used in your solution? There are a number of possibilities=
 for control channel connectivity available.   Perhaps clarifying which are=
 intended would aid understanding and interoperability.

=95             Are there more details on the management and SDN control as=
pects between the packet network and the optical network?  Additional manag=
ement and SDN control detail might convey a better understanding of the sol=
ution configuration and its operation.



Comments:

=95             When referring to PCE and related issues, e.g., in [R-26] a=
nd [R-27], it seems only stateless PCE (RFC4655) and corresponding PCEP (RF=
C5440) are included in the current solution.   The PCE Working Group is inv=
estigating stateful PCE and  PCE Initiated LSPs, which are planned to be pu=
blished in the future.  It may be worth specifying which kind of PCE is sug=
gested to be used in the current solution, to differentiate the two.  Has R=
FC 5623 - PCE-based inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering been con=
sidered?  It may be a good reference for this solution.

=95             In section 4.4 when talking about SDN, Openflow is mentione=
d as a standard protocol to interact between packet nodes and DWDM nodes. P=
CE Protocol (PCEP) could be considered as another example, as it is current=
ly used in IETF.  RFC 3413 about SNMP, and RFC 4208 about GMPLS UNI are als=
o recommended references.

=95             In section 4.5, [R-36] uses the term "North-Bound interface=
" to refer to the interface between Network Elements and the SDN controller=
.  We noted that some commonly use the same term when referring to the inte=
rface between the controller and what sits "above" the controller (e.g. ano=
ther controller or orchestrator).  This could lead to unintended misunderst=
anding.  Perhaps a clarification would help avoid misunderstanding.


From: David Sinicrope
Sent: venerd=EC 16 ottobre 2015 19:22
To: Alia Atlas, Routing Area Director,; Deborah Brungard, Routing Area Dire=
ctor; Alvaro Retana, Routing Area Director; Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang=
, CCAMP Co-Chair; Vishnu Pavan Beeram, TEAS Co-Chair; Lou Berger, TEAS Co-C=
hair; IETF Statements,
Cc: michael.fargano@centurylink.com=
; Robin Mersh, Broadband Forum CEO; Gabrielle Bingham, Broadband Forum Secr=
etariat; David Sinicrope; Drew Rexrode II, BBF Routing and Transport Area D=
irector; Oscar Gonzalez de Dios, CCAMP Secretary; Matt Hartley, TEAS Secret=
ary; Dean Cheng, Packet Optical Evolution Project Stream Lead
Subject: Broadband Forum Liaison: Achieving Packet Network Optimization usi=
ng DWDM Interfaces

Hi All,
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attachments.
Please let me know if you have trouble receiving or opening the liaison.
Best Regards,
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Hello,


 


The TEAS, PCE and CCAMP Working Groups would like=
 to thank the Broadband Forum for informing us of your effort on packet-opt=
ical networks, and providing the IETF with the opportunity to review and co=
mment on your document and its use
 of our RFCs.


 


We have conducted an initial review where we note=
d the references to IETF RFCs on GMPLS and PCE for satisfying the control r=
equirements.



Below is some preliminary feedback based on this =
initial review we hope you will find helpful and consider for the document.=
   However, given the recent IETF 94 meeting activity, we regret =
there was little time to conduct a thorough
 technical review of the document.  We understand the document is in t=
he last call stage of development.   If time and the BBF process =
allows, the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS Working Groups would be happy to conduct a =
more in depth technical review over the coming
 weeks.  Please let us know if you wish us to proceed with such a revi=
ew.


   


As the Broadband Forum progresses its work on &qu=
ot;Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces", we wo=
uld greatly appreciate if you keep us informed of any gaps you identify in =
the RFCs that are needed to satisfy these requirements. 
 Feedback from the BBF on existing and progressing CCAMP, PCE and TEAS work=
 would be greatly appreciated and can be provided via the relevant IETF Wor=
king Group mailing list without the need for a formal liaison.

 


We look forward to your response and our continue=
d communication on this important area of optical networking.

Best Regards,


Daniele Ceccarelli & Fatai Zhang - CCAMP Work=
ing Group Chairs


Jonathan Hardwick, Julien Meuric & Jean-Phili=
ppe Vasseur - PCE Working Group Chairs



Vishnu Pavan Beeram & Lou Berger - TEAS Worki=
ng Group Chairs



 


---------------------------


Preliminary Feedback


---------------------------


Questions:


=95       &nbs=
p;     In A.2.1, how is the GMPLS communication between=
 the Packet Node and the DWDM Network Element achieved?  Is there a sp=
ecific control interface that is used in your solution? There are a number =
of possibilities for control
 channel connectivity available.   Perhaps clarifying which are i=
ntended would aid understanding and interoperability.


=95       &nbs=
p;     Are there more details on the management and SDN=
 control aspects between the packet network and the optical network?  =
Additional management and SDN control detail might convey a better understa=
nding of the solution configuration
 and its operation.


 


Comments:


=95       &nbs=
p;     When referring to PCE and related issues, e.g., =
in [R-26] and [R-27], it seems only stateless PCE (RFC4655) and correspondi=
ng PCEP (RFC5440) are included in the current solution.   The PCE=
 Working Group is investigating
 stateful PCE and  PCE Initiated LSPs, which are planned to be publish=
ed in the future.  It may be worth specifying which kind of PCE is sug=
gested to be used in the current solution, to differentiate the two.  =
Has RFC 5623 - PCE-based inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS
 Traffic Engineering been considered?  It may be a good reference for =
this solution.



=95       &nbs=
p;     In section 4.4 when talking about SDN, Openflow =
is mentioned as a standard protocol to interact between packet nodes and DW=
DM nodes. PCE Protocol (PCEP) could be considered as another example, as it=
 is currently used in
 IETF.  RFC 3413 about SNMP, and RFC 4208 about GMPLS UNI are also rec=
ommended references.



=95       &nbs=
p;     In section 4.5, [R-36] uses the term "North=
-Bound interface" to refer to the interface between Network Elements a=
nd the SDN controller.  We noted that some commonly use the same term =
when referring to the interface between
 the controller and what sits "above" the controller (e.g. anothe=
r controller or orchestrator).  This could lead to unintended misunder=
standing.  Perhaps a clarification would help avoid misunderstanding.<=
o:p>


 


 








From: David Si=
nicrope


Sent: venerd=EC 16 ottobre 2015 19:22

To: Alia Atlas, Routing Area Director,; Deborah Brungard, Routing Ar=
ea Director; Alvaro Retana, Routing Area Director; Daniele Ceccarelli; Fata=
i Zhang, CCAMP Co-Chair; Vishnu Pavan Beeram, TEAS Co-Chair; Lou Berger, TE=
AS Co-Chair; IETF Statements,

Cc: michael.farga=
no@centurylink.com; Robin Mersh, Broadband Forum CEO; Gabrielle Bingham=
, Broadband Forum Secretariat; David Sinicrope; Drew Rexrode II, BBF Routin=
g and Transport Area Director; Oscar
 Gonzalez de Dios, CCAMP Secretary; Matt Hartley, TEAS Secretary; Dean Chen=
g, Packet Optical Evolution Project Stream Lead

Subject: Broadband Forum Liaison: Achieving Packet Network Optimizat=
ion using DWDM Interfaces






 


Hi All, 


Please find attached a liaison from the Broadband Fo=
rum and its associated attachments.


Please let me know if you have trouble receiving or =
opening the liaison.


Best Regards,


Dave Sinicrope


IETF-BBF Liaison Manager










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The following errata report has been held for document update 
for RFC5440, "Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP)". 

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You may review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5440&eid=4427

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Status: Held for Document Update
Type: Editorial

Reported by: Phaneendra Manda 
Date Reported: 2015-07-23
Held by: Deborah Brungard (IESG)

Section: 6.9

Original Text
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A PCEP implementation that receives an unrecognized PCEP message MUST
   send a PCErr message with Error-value=2 (capability not supported).

Corrected Text
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A PCEP implementation that receives an unrecognized PCEP message MUST
   send a PCErr message with Error-Type=2 (capability not supported).

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Error-value=2 is not defined, it should be Error-Type=2

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RFC5440 (draft-ietf-pce-pcep-19)
--------------------------------------
Title               : Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP)
Publication Date    : March 2009
Author(s)           : JP. Vasseur, Ed., JL. Le Roux, Ed.
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Path Computation Element
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
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In Section 5.1, to be consistent with how IANA prefers registry URLs to
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Thank you for working out new text for the security considerations
section from the SecDir review.  The new text is significantly better.

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Hola Diego,

The WG LC was started for a 2-week period: you can consider it finished.

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> And let me insist that I’d directly ask the UTA WG about this. My only 
> question is about procedure: shall we wait till we finish the last 
> call period? Shall we perform it as part of the last call process? 
> What do our chairs think?


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Hi Julien,=20

We have the update ready to go.=20

Quoting from Tom's mail -=20

> So I value the early intervention of the=20
> Security Directorate to try and fix such=20
> issues sooner, and so cheaper, rather than later.

We were wondering if it would be worthwhile (and allowed by the process) to=
 request for an early Sec-Dir review while the control is still with the WG=
?=20

Regards,
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> > And let me insist that I'd directly ask the UTA WG about this. My only
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> > call period? Shall we perform it as part of the last call process?
> > What do our chairs think?
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Hi Julien,

I finished a version addressing the comments and correcting some nits the a=
uthors found while addressing the comments. We are making a final review an=
d will upload it this evening (CET)

Be goode,

On 19 Nov 2015, at 10:25 , Julien Meuric > wrote:

Hola Diego,

The WG LC was started for a 2-week period: you can consider it finished.

Finished or not, you are expected to resolve all the received comments and =
publish an update accordingly, so as to have the I-D ready to be sent to th=
e IESG. Feel free to proceed as soon as you are able to.

Cheers,

Julien


Nov. 18, 2015 - diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com:

And let me insist that I=92d directly ask the UTA WG about this. My only qu=
estion is about procedure: shall we wait till we finish the last call perio=
d? Shall we perform it as part of the last call process? What do our chairs=
 think?


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"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"

Dr Diego R. Lopez
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Hi Julien,






I finished a version addressing the comments and correcting=
 some nits the authors found while addressing the comments. We are making a=
 final review and will upload it this evening (CET)







Be goode,









On 19 Nov 2015, at 10:25 , Julien Meuric <julien.meuric@ORANGE.COM> w=
rote:




Hola Diego,



The WG LC was started for a 2-week period: you can consider it finished.


Finished or not, you are expected to resolve all the received comments and =
publish an update accordingly, so as to have the I-D ready to be sent to th=
e IESG. Feel free to proceed as soon as you are able to.



Cheers,



Julien





Nov. 18, 2015 - =
diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com:




And let me insist that I=92d directly ask the UTA WG about this. My only qu=
estion is about procedure: shall we wait till we finish the last call perio=
d? Shall we perform it as part of the last call process? What do our chairs=
 think?

















--

"Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"



Dr Diego R. Lopez

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http://people.tid.=
es/diego.lopez/



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Tel:    +34 913 129 041

Mobile: +34 682 051 091

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Hi Barry,

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Barry Leiba 
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> Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-09: No Objection
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> In Section 5.1, to be consistent with how IANA prefers registry URLs to
> be specified, please remove the string "/pcep.xhtml" from the three IANA
> URLs.
>
> =E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Ack, updated in the working copy. =E2=80=8B
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=E2=80=8BThanks for your reviews.

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Hi Barry,=C2=A0

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Barry =
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Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for

draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-09: No Objection



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COMMENT:

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In Section 5.1, to be consistent with how IANA prefers registry URLs to

be specified, please remove the string "/pcep.xhtml" from the thr=
ee IANA

URLs.




=E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Ack, updated=
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=E2=80=8BThanks for your reviews.=
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Hi Dhruv,

If you expect some updates after a review from the Security Directorate, 
then the sooner the better. If you feel it useful, we will proceed when 
your next revision is published.

Thanks for being proactive here,

Julien


Nov. 19, 2015 - dhruv.dhody@huawei.com:
> Hi Julien,
>
> We have the update ready to go.
>
> Quoting from Tom's mail -
>
>> So I value the early intervention of the
>> Security Directorate to try and fix such
>> issues sooner, and so cheaper, rather than later.
>
> We were wondering if it would be worthwhile (and allowed by the process) to request for an early Sec-Dir review while the control is still with the WG?
>
> Regards,
> Dhruv
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Julien Meuric
>> Sent: 19 November 2015 14:56
>>
>> Hola Diego,
>>
>> The WG LC was started for a 2-week period: you can consider it finished.
>>
>> Finished or not, you are expected to resolve all the received comments and
>> publish an update accordingly, so as to have the I-D ready to be sent to the
>> IESG. Feel free to proceed as soon as you are able to.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Julien
>>
>>
>> Nov. 18, 2015 - diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com:
>>>
>>> And let me insist that I'd directly ask the UTA WG about this. My only
>>> question is about procedure: shall we wait till we finish the last
>>> call period? Shall we perform it as part of the last call process?
>>> What do our chairs think?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pce mailing list
>> Pce@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce


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---- Original Message -----
From: "Julien Meuric" 
To: "Dhruv Dhody" ; "DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA"

Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:19 AM
> Hi Dhruv,
>
> If you expect some updates after a review from the Security
Directorate,
> then the sooner the better. If you feel it useful, we will proceed
when
> your next revision is published.
>
> Thanks for being proactive here,

Two sorts of things that the Security Directorate might comment on

- the use of compression, where the I-D says
"
     *  Support for and negotiation of compression is OPTIONAL.
"
whereas on 26th April 2014 (not 2015) the TLS WG said
"       We have strong confirmation of consensus to remove compression
from TLS 1.3.   The Editor is requested to make the appropriate changes
to the draft on github.

Joe"

This came about because of loopholes that had been found with the use of
compression; my sense is that compression has gone the way of RC4 (but
that there is no I-D to say so).

- fingerprints, where the I-D says
"Implementations MUST support SHA-256 as the hash algorithm for  the
fingerprint."

which seems reasonable but there is an outstanding DISCUSS on another
I-D which says
"(3) Consider zmap. When this is deployed, what'll be the
effect of surveys that fingerprint all of the devices on the
visible Internet who implement this protocol? Did the WG
consider that?"

to which my response is I don't understand; but it is a DISCUSS so
someone will in due course.  Like PCEPS, the reference is to the
fingerprint of a certificate stored in a device for client/server
authentication with TLS.  Will this I-D get the same DISCUSS?  I don't
see why not (but then I don't understand the DISCUSS:-(

Tom Petch













>
> Julien
>
>
> Nov. 19, 2015 - dhruv.dhody@huawei.com:
> > Hi Julien,
> >
> > We have the update ready to go.
> >
> > Quoting from Tom's mail -
> >
> >> So I value the early intervention of the
> >> Security Directorate to try and fix such
> >> issues sooner, and so cheaper, rather than later.
> >
> > We were wondering if it would be worthwhile (and allowed by the
process) to request for an early Sec-Dir review while the control is
still with the WG?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dhruv
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Julien Meuric
> >> Sent: 19 November 2015 14:56
> >>
> >> Hola Diego,
> >>
> >> The WG LC was started for a 2-week period: you can consider it
finished.
> >>
> >> Finished or not, you are expected to resolve all the received
comments and
> >> publish an update accordingly, so as to have the I-D ready to be
sent to the
> >> IESG. Feel free to proceed as soon as you are able to.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Julien
> >>
> >>
> >> Nov. 18, 2015 - diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com:
> >>>
> >>> And let me insist that I'd directly ask the UTA WG about this. My
only
> >>> question is about procedure: shall we wait till we finish the last
> >>> call period? Shall we perform it as part of the last call process?
> >>> What do our chairs think?
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pce mailing list
> >> Pce@ietf.org
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Domain Subobjects for Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP).
        Authors         : Dhruv Dhody
                          Udayasree Palle
                          Ramon Casellas
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-10.txt
	Pages           : 33
	Date            : 2015-11-19

Abstract:
   The ability to compute shortest constrained Traffic Engineering Label
   Switched Paths (TE LSPs) in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and
   Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) networks across multiple domains has been
   identified as a key requirement.  In this context, a domain is a
   collection of network elements within a common sphere of address
   management or path computational responsibility such as an Interior
   Gateway Protocol (IGP) area or an Autonomous System (AS).  This
   document specifies a representation and encoding of a Domain-
   Sequence, which is defined as an ordered sequence of domains
   traversed to reach the destination domain to be used by Path
   Computation Elements (PCEs) to compute inter-domain constrained
   shortest paths across a predetermined sequence of domains . This
   document also defines new subobjects to be used to encode domain
   identifiers.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
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Hi WG, All,

This update takes care of the IANA, Gen-Art, Sec-Dir, and IESG reviews.
Please let me know if you have any concern.

Regards,
Dhruv


On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:05 PM,  wrote:

>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
>  This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group
> of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : Domain Subobjects for Path Computation Element
> (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP).
>         Authors         : Dhruv Dhody
>                           Udayasree Palle
>                           Ramon Casellas
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-10.txt
>         Pages           : 33
>         Date            : 2015-11-19
>
> Abstract:
>    The ability to compute shortest constrained Traffic Engineering Label
>    Switched Paths (TE LSPs) in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and
>    Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) networks across multiple domains has been
>    identified as a key requirement.  In this context, a domain is a
>    collection of network elements within a common sphere of address
>    management or path computational responsibility such as an Interior
>    Gateway Protocol (IGP) area or an Autonomous System (AS).  This
>    document specifies a representation and encoding of a Domain-
>    Sequence, which is defined as an ordered sequence of domains
>    traversed to reach the destination domain to be used by Path
>    Computation Elements (PCEs) to compute inter-domain constrained
>    shortest paths across a predetermined sequence of domains . This
>    document also defines new subobjects to be used to encode domain
>    identifiers.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence/
>
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-10
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-10
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
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Hi WG, All,

This update takes care of the IANA, Gen-Art, Sec-Dir, and IESG r=
eviews.=C2=A0
Please let me know if you have any concern=
.=C2=A0

Regards,
Dhruv


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drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Gro=
up of the IETF.



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Abstract:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The ability to compute shortest constrained Traffic Engineerin=
g Label

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Switched Paths (TE LSPs) in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPL=
S) and

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) networks across multiple domains has =
been

=C2=A0 =C2=A0identified as a key requirement.=C2=A0 In this context, a doma=
in is a

=C2=A0 =C2=A0collection of network elements within a common sphere of addre=
ss

=C2=A0 =C2=A0management or path computational responsibility such as an Int=
erior

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Gateway Protocol (IGP) area or an Autonomous System (AS).=C2=
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in

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The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/do=
c/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence/



There's also a htmlized version available at:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-=
ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-10



A diff from the previous version is available at:

https://www.ietf.org/rfcdi=
ff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-10





Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Secure Transport for PCEP
        Authors         : Diego R. Lopez
                          Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
                          Qin Wu
                          Dhruv Dhody
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-pceps-06.txt
	Pages           : 20
	Date            : 2015-11-19

Abstract:
   The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) defines
   the mechanisms for the communication between a Path Computation
   Client (PCC) and a Path Computation Element (PCE), or among PCEs.
   This document describe the usage of Transport Layer Security (TLS) to
   enhance PCEP security, hence the PCEPS acronym proposed for it.  The
   additional security mechanisms are provided by the transport protocol
   supporting PCEP, and therefore they do not affect the flexibility and
   extensibility of PCEP.


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Hi,

This new version of draft-ietf-pce-pceps addresses the comments received du=
ring the WG Last Call, and corrects a few nits the authors have found while=
 addressing those comments.

We believe the document is ready to be progressed.

Be goode,

Begin forwarded message:

From: >
Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-pceps-06.txt
Date: 20 November 2015 at 24:35:30.000 GMT+1
To: >
Cc: >


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of =
the IETF.

       Title           : Secure Transport for PCEP
       Authors         : Diego R. Lopez
                         Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
                         Qin Wu
                         Dhruv Dhody
Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-pceps-06.txt
Pages           : 20
Date            : 2015-11-19

Abstract:
  The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) defines
  the mechanisms for the communication between a Path Computation
  Client (PCC) and a Path Computation Element (PCE), or among PCEs.
  This document describe the usage of Transport Layer Security (TLS) to
  enhance PCEP security, hence the PCEPS acronym proposed for it.  The
  additional security mechanisms are provided by the transport protocol
  supporting PCEP, and therefore they do not affect the flexibility and
  extensibility of PCEP.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pceps/

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Hi,






This new version of draft-ietf-pce-pceps addresses the=
 comments received during the WG Last Call, and corrects a few nits the aut=
hors have found while addressing those comments.







We believe the document is ready to be progressed.







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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.

This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of =
the IETF.



       Title     &nb=
sp;     : Secure Transport for PCEP

       Authors     &=
nbsp;   : Diego R. Lopez

            &nb=
sp;            =
Oscar Gonzalez de Dios

            &nb=
sp;            =
Qin Wu

            &nb=
sp;            =
Dhruv Dhody

Filename &n=
bsp;      : draft-ietf-pce-pceps-06.txt

Pages  =
;         : 20

Date  =
          : 2015-11-19


Abstract:

  The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) defi=
nes

  the mechanisms for the communication between a Path Computation=


  Client (PCC) and a Path Computation Element (PCE), or among PCE=
s.

  This document describe the usage of Transport Layer Security (T=
LS) to

  enhance PCEP security, hence the PCEPS acronym proposed for it.=
  The

  additional security mechanisms are provided by the transport pr=
otocol

  supporting PCEP, and therefore they do not affect the flexibili=
ty and

  extensibility of PCEP.





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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Domain Subobjects for Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP).
        Authors         : Dhruv Dhody
                          Udayasree Palle
                          Ramon Casellas
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-11.txt
	Pages           : 33
	Date            : 2015-11-19

Abstract:
   The ability to compute shortest constrained Traffic Engineering Label
   Switched Paths (TE LSPs) in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and
   Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) networks across multiple domains has been
   identified as a key requirement.  In this context, a domain is a
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Hi,

A small update in the IANA section for the registry URL as per the IANA
preference.

Thanks!
Dhruv

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:09 AM,  wrote:

>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
>  This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group
> of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : Domain Subobjects for Path Computation Element
> (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP).
>         Authors         : Dhruv Dhody
>                           Udayasree Palle
>                           Ramon Casellas
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-11.txt
>         Pages           : 33
>         Date            : 2015-11-19
>
> Abstract:
>    The ability to compute shortest constrained Traffic Engineering Label
>    Switched Paths (TE LSPs) in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and
>    Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) networks across multiple domains has been
>    identified as a key requirement.  In this context, a domain is a
>    collection of network elements within a common sphere of address
>    management or path computational responsibility such as an Interior
>    Gateway Protocol (IGP) area or an Autonomous System (AS).  This
>    document specifies a representation and encoding of a Domain-
>    Sequence, which is defined as an ordered sequence of domains
>    traversed to reach the destination domain to be used by Path
>    Computation Elements (PCEs) to compute inter-domain constrained
>    shortest paths across a predetermined sequence of domains . This
>    document also defines new subobjects to be used to encode domain
>    identifiers.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence/
>
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-11
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-11
>
>
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> submission
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>
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Hi,=C2=A0

A small update in the IANA section for the registry URL as per the=
 IANA preference.=C2=A0

Thanks!=C2=A0
Dhruv=


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; wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.

=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Gro=
up of the IETF.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
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Abstract:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The ability to compute shortest constrained Traffic Engineerin=
g Label

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Switched Paths (TE LSPs) in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPL=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) networks across multiple domains has =
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sequence, which is defined as an ordered sequence of domains
=C2=A0 =C2=A0traversed to reach the destination domain to be used by Path
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0shortest paths across a predetermined sequence of domains . Th=
is

=C2=A0 =C2=A0document also defines new subobjects to be used to encode doma=
in

=C2=A0 =C2=A0identifiers.





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https://datatracker.ietf.org/do=
c/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence/



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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-=
ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence-11



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Julien

I am happy for the I-D to progress to IETF LC.  I will be interested to
see a review by the Security Directorate and most interested to see what
happens when the Security and Transport ADs review it:-)

Meanwhile, some editorial thoughts to be picked up at some stage.

IANA are being asked to exercise their PCE skills! You are asking for
the allocation of more than one number but use TBA as the placeholder
for every number; this requires someone to understand the protocol to
know which number goes where.  Other editors use TBA1, TBA2,   ... TBA23
etc which I think IANA would find clearer.

IANA will also have to work out which registry is being updated, which
is probably a more straightforward task.

SHA-256 has no reference, and is ambiguous.  TLS uses SHA256 as its term
but another list is currently updating its use of SHA to SHA-2 and is
using SHA-2-256 on the grounds that SHA-3 is around and so SHA-3-256
will be too so how do you tell the two apart when all you have is
SHA256?  I find SHA-2-256 ugly but take their point so think it should
be used here - and given a normative reference.

s.3.1
/this procedure update/this procedure updates/

/The details of processing including backward compatibility is discussed
/The details of processing including backward compatibility are
discussed /

s.3.2
/including the open message/including the Open message/

/session must be closed /the session must be closed /

/A PCEP speaker receives any other message /A PCEP speaker receiving any
other message /

/(e.g. the certificate server is not responding)  /
Is this a refererence to OCSP?  I am not used to there being certificate
servers, unless they are CAs or providing CRLs.

s.3.3
/a PCEP session between the PCEP peers/

Given the context, would /PCEPS session/ be appropriate?

/form the PCEP peer /from the PCEP peer /

Figure 3; based on the preceding text, I would expect there to be a
PCErr message from PCC to PCE since it has received an Open message and
not a StartTLS

Figure 3
/open message/Open message/

s.3.5
"fingerprint of the presented client certificate"
Why only the client?  I would have expected this to apply to the server
as well.

Tom Petch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Julien Meuric" 
To: "Dhruv Dhody" ; "DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA"

Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:19 AM

> Hi Dhruv,
>
> If you expect some updates after a review from the Security
Directorate,
> then the sooner the better. If you feel it useful, we will proceed
when
> your next revision is published.
>
> Thanks for being proactive here,
>
> Julien
>
> Nov. 19, 2015 - dhruv.dhody@huawei.com:
> > Hi Julien,
> >
> > We have the update ready to go.
> >
> > Quoting from Tom's mail -
> >
> >> So I value the early intervention of the
> >> Security Directorate to try and fix such
> >> issues sooner, and so cheaper, rather than later.
> >
> > We were wondering if it would be worthwhile (and allowed by the
process) to request for an early Sec-Dir review while the control is
still with the WG?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dhruv
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Julien Meuric
> >> Sent: 19 November 2015 14:56
> >>
> >> Hola Diego,
> >>
> >> The WG LC was started for a 2-week period: you can consider it
finished.
> >>
> >> Finished or not, you are expected to resolve all the received
comments and
> >> publish an update accordingly, so as to have the I-D ready to be
sent to the
> >> IESG. Feel free to proceed as soon as you are able to.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Julien
> >>
> >> Nov. 18, 2015 - diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com:
> >>>
> >>> And let me insist that I'd directly ask the UTA WG about this. My
only
> >>> question is about procedure: shall we wait till we finish the last
> >>> call period? Shall we perform it as part of the last call process?
> >>> What do our chairs think?


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Hi Tom,

Thank you for your valuable feedback. I think your comments could be 
addressed along with those to come from shepherd's review, unless the 
authors prefer to do an update before.

I have just contacted the Security Directorate without specifying a 
fixed version number, which should bring reviewers on the latest at 
review time.

To be continued,

Julien


Nov. 20, 2015 - ietfc@btconnect.com:
> Julien
>
> I am happy for the I-D to progress to IETF LC.  I will be interested to
> see a review by the Security Directorate and most interested to see what
> happens when the Security and Transport ADs review it:-)
>
> Meanwhile, some editorial thoughts to be picked up at some stage.
>
> IANA are being asked to exercise their PCE skills! You are asking for
> the allocation of more than one number but use TBA as the placeholder
> for every number; this requires someone to understand the protocol to
> know which number goes where.  Other editors use TBA1, TBA2,   ... TBA23
> etc which I think IANA would find clearer.
>
> IANA will also have to work out which registry is being updated, which
> is probably a more straightforward task.
>
> SHA-256 has no reference, and is ambiguous.  TLS uses SHA256 as its term
> but another list is currently updating its use of SHA to SHA-2 and is
> using SHA-2-256 on the grounds that SHA-3 is around and so SHA-3-256
> will be too so how do you tell the two apart when all you have is
> SHA256?  I find SHA-2-256 ugly but take their point so think it should
> be used here - and given a normative reference.
>
> s.3.1
> /this procedure update/this procedure updates/
>
> /The details of processing including backward compatibility is discussed
> /The details of processing including backward compatibility are
> discussed /
>
> s.3.2
> /including the open message/including the Open message/
>
> /session must be closed /the session must be closed /
>
> /A PCEP speaker receives any other message /A PCEP speaker receiving any
> other message /
>
> /(e.g. the certificate server is not responding)  /
> Is this a refererence to OCSP?  I am not used to there being certificate
> servers, unless they are CAs or providing CRLs.
>
> s.3.3
> /a PCEP session between the PCEP peers/
>
> Given the context, would /PCEPS session/ be appropriate?
>
> /form the PCEP peer /from the PCEP peer /
>
> Figure 3; based on the preceding text, I would expect there to be a
> PCErr message from PCC to PCE since it has received an Open message and
> not a StartTLS
>
> Figure 3
> /open message/Open message/
>
> s.3.5
> "fingerprint of the presented client certificate"
> Why only the client?  I would have expected this to apply to the server
> as well.
>
> Tom Petch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julien Meuric" 
> To: "Dhruv Dhody" ; "DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA"
> 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:19 AM
>
>> Hi Dhruv,
>>
>> If you expect some updates after a review from the Security
> Directorate,
>> then the sooner the better. If you feel it useful, we will proceed
> when
>> your next revision is published.
>>
>> Thanks for being proactive here,
>>
>> Julien
>>
>> Nov. 19, 2015 - dhruv.dhody@huawei.com:
>>> Hi Julien,
>>>
>>> We have the update ready to go.
>>>
>>> Quoting from Tom's mail -
>>>
>>>> So I value the early intervention of the
>>>> Security Directorate to try and fix such
>>>> issues sooner, and so cheaper, rather than later.
>>>
>>> We were wondering if it would be worthwhile (and allowed by the
> process) to request for an early Sec-Dir review while the control is
> still with the WG?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dhruv
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Julien Meuric
>>>> Sent: 19 November 2015 14:56
>>>>
>>>> Hola Diego,
>>>>
>>>> The WG LC was started for a 2-week period: you can consider it
> finished.
>>>>
>>>> Finished or not, you are expected to resolve all the received
> comments and
>>>> publish an update accordingly, so as to have the I-D ready to be
> sent to the
>>>> IESG. Feel free to proceed as soon as you are able to.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Julien
>>>>
>>>> Nov. 18, 2015 - diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com:
>>>>>
>>>>> And let me insist that I'd directly ask the UTA WG about this. My
> only
>>>>> question is about procedure: shall we wait till we finish the last
>>>>> call period? Shall we perform it as part of the last call process?
>>>>> What do our chairs think?
>


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On 11/04/2015 09:00 AM, Jonathan Hardwick wrote:
>
> Dear authors,
>
> Please could you confirm (on the mailing list) whether you are aware 
> of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations, 
> and if so, if it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules? 
> (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.)  If you are not 
> aware of any IPR that applies to this draft, please reply saying “I am 
> not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft”.
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> A response from each of you is required.
>

I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Thanks,
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I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft either.


/Jan


On 11/23/15, 11:48 AM, "Pce on behalf of Robert Varga"
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>On 11/04/2015 09:00 AM, Jonathan Hardwick wrote:
>>
>> Dear authors,
>>
>> Please could you confirm (on the mailing list) whether you are aware
>> of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations,
>> and if so, if it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules?
>> (See RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.)  If you are not
>> aware of any IPR that applies to this draft, please reply saying =B3I am
>> not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft=B2.
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>> A response from each of you is required.
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>I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.
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Hi all,

Support looks clear. Authors, please publish the latest version as 
draft-ietf-pce-association-group-00.

Thanks,

Julien


Nov. 04, 2015 - Julien Meuric:
> Dear all,
>
> Following our discussion during the WG meeting yesterday, do you 
> support the adoption of draft-minei-pce-association-group-03 as a 
> starting point for a new PCE WG item? If not, please motivate your 
> answer.
>
> In any case, comments are welcome.
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> Regards,
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : PCEP Extensions for Establishing Relationships Between Sets of LSPs
        Authors         : Ina Minei
                          Edward Crabbe
                          Siva Sivabalan
                          Hariharan Ananthakrishnan
                          Xian Zhang
                          Yosuke Tanaka
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-association-group-00.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2015-11-25

Abstract:
   This document introduces a generic mechanism to create a grouping of
   LSPs in the context of a PCE.  This grouping can then be used to
   define associations between sets of LSPs or between a set of LSPs and
   a set of attributes (such as configuration parameters or behaviors),
   and is equally applicable to the active and passive modes of a
   stateful PCE as well as a stateless PCE.



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Thanks a lot for the very useful discussions and for the continued review.
Please see inline %%%, a new version of the draft will be published next
week,

Ina

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Julien Meuric 
wrote:

[snip]

> Two questions and one ask
>> 1. Forward references to SRP object and SRP-ID - there are several in the
>> comments, though the relevant section is always mentioned. How should such
>> forward references be addressed?
>>
> [JM] A simple way is to add the acronym and its expansion into the
> terminology section, and optionally the forward reference.
>
> %%% Done


> 2. Section 7 - s/defined in this document/defined in that (aforementioned)
>> document/
>> The comment was not clear to me. The intention is for the flags to be set
>> as explained for the new objects we are defining here, can you clarify the
>> comment?
>>
> [JM] Just suggesting a rewording, but my proposal was not clear either;
> "this current I-D" may be enough to clear the ambiguity.

%%% Done

[snip]


>     - s/Active Stateful PCE: is an extension/Active Stateful PCE: an
>>     extension/
>>
>>  ### Replaced as "an Active Stateful PCE that may issue recommendations...
>>
>> [JM] Guessing you actually meant "a Stateful PCE that may...", it is OK.
>
%%% Yes :-)

[snip]

>
>>
>>
>>
>>     - OLD
>>     State Timeout Interval: when a PCEP session is terminated, a PCC
>>     waits for this time period before flushing LSP state associated
>>     with that PCEP session and reverting to operator-defined default
>>     parameters or behaviors.
>>       NEW
>>     State Timeout Interval: the period of time a PCE waits for, when a
>>     PCEP session is terminated, before flushing LSP state associated
>>     with that PCEP session and reverting to operator-defined default
>>     parameters or behaviors.
>>
>> ### Done
>>
> [JM] I hope you caught my (double) typo: I was only trying to rephrase,
> the waiting party remaining the PCC.
>
> %%% I did now :-), fixed.

[snip]

>
> 
>
>>
>>     - The reference to draft-sivabalan-pce-disco-stateful makes the
>>     reader wonder why is is not part of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce
>>     itself. Besides, Table 1 also mentions IS-IS and OSPF
>>     PCE-CAP-FLAGS sub-TLV, only the allocation section seems to be
>>     missing here. Would you talk to the authors (some being common to
>>     both I-Ds) of the former to consider using their material as a
>>     contribution? A separate document is quite an overhead for
>>     allocating 2 bits.
>>
>>
>> ### I don't think discovery should be part of the base draft. Several
>> reasons: a) 5440 does not include discovery, b) the base spec is already
>> quite large, we want to keep only the core function and  c) the discovery
>> draft is expired. I cleaned up table 1 and added the following text instead
>> of the reference to the draft:
>> Old text
>> [I-D.sivabalan-pce-disco-stateful] defines the extensions needed
>> tosupport autodiscovery of stateful PCEs when using OSPF ([RFC5088]) or
>> IS-IS ([RFC5089]) for PCE discovery.
>> New text
>> Similarly to [RFC5440], no assumption is made about the discovery method
>> used by a PCC to discover a set of PCEs (e.g., via static configuration or
>> dynamic discovery) and on the algorithm used to select a PCE. Extensions
>> needed to support autodiscovery will be defined in a separate document.
>>
> [JM] Along with RFC 5557 and 6006, including discovery bit allocation with
> PCEP extensions in a single document would save much administrative
> processing.
>
> %%% Done


> 
>
>>
>>     - s/include an empty ERO/include an empty RRO/ [Along with RFC
>>     5440 (section 7.10), the object sent by a PCC to report to a PCE
>>     is an RRO: let us keep it consistent.]
>>
>> ### XXX Pending
>>
> [JM] As discussed, clarifying that you encode the "intended path" using
> ERO (class 7) and "actual path" using RRO (class 8) will address my
> comments related to xROs.
>
> %%% Done


> 
>
>>
>>     - Avoiding "positive acknowledgements for properly received
>>     synchronization messages" has scalability benefits in normal
>>     situations, but the PCC is blind and may keep on sending PCRpt to
>>     dead processes behind up PCEP sessions. Have you consider
>>     acknowledgement, possibly using a compression mechanism like the
>>     one defined later in the I-D?
>>
>> ### XXX Pending
>>
> %%%  No, we did not think we needed positive acks because we are using a
TCP session (guaranteed delivery all the way to the PCE).


>>     - When mentioning errors, adding a sentence reminding that RFC
>>     5440 already defines a set of applicable error codes would be
>>     valuable.
>>
>> ### XXX Pending
>>
> %%% Done see text below:
"Error reporting is done using the procedures defined in [RFC5440], and
reusing the applicable error types and error values of [RFC5440] wherever
appropriate. The current document defines new error values  for several
error types to cover failures specific to stateful PCE."
>
>
>> 
>
>>
>>     - In section 5.5.1, it is not clear if an empty LSP Update Request
>>     with a Delegate flag to 1 is an acceptable way for a PCE to send a
>>     delegation acknowledgement: to be clarified.
>>
>> ### XXX Pending
>>
> %%% Yes, it is allowed, modified the text to clarify.


> 
>
>>
>>     - s/SHOULD return the LSP delegation/MUST return the LSP delegation/
>>
>> ### This should remain SHOULD. The nice way to do it is to return it
>> explicitly, but it may choose to wait until the next update and return the
>> delegation then by not setting the delegate flag.
>>
> [JM] As discussed together, I can live with that.
>
>     - In section 5.5.3, assuming an LSP was delegated, does the
>>     reception by the PCC of a non empty LSP Update Request with a
>>     Delegate Flag to 0 trigger an error?
>>
>> ### XXX Pending
>>
> %%% No, this is a delegation return. I cleaned up the text, see below.

In order to keep a delegation, a PCE MUST set the Delegate flag to 1
   on each LSP Update Request sent to the PCC.  A PCE that no longer
   wishes to update an LSP's parameters SHOULD return the LSP delegation
   back to the PCC by sending an empty LSP Update Request which has the
   Delegate flag set to 0.  If a PCC receives a non-empty LSP Update
   Request with the Delegate flag set to 0, it MUST treat this as a
   delegation return.



> 
>
>>
>>     - At the top of page 18, "and [assuming that] PCEs' decisions are
>>     the same" should be added.
>>
>> ### The comment is not clear - I am assuming you refer to the text
>> "assuming that the state timeout... ' on page 17, changed to: " and
>> assuming that the primary and redundant PCEs take similar decisions, this"
>>
>  [JM] You got my point. :-)
>
> 
>
>>
>>     - In section 5.6.2, in case of new LSP, the very first message
>>     sent by the PCC aims at getting a path. This is clearly the role
>>     of a PCReq message, and the I-D extends it to support the LSP
>>     object including the delegation flag (section 7.3). However,
>>     Figure 8 treats a new LSP the same way as reporting an existing
>>     LSP, i.e., using a PCRpt message. In this case, there is an
>>     overlap between PCReq and PCRpt, which MUST be resolved because
>>     interoperability is at stake. Documenting the delegation of a new
>>     LSP deserves some new text and possibly figure, the overlapping
>>     specification of the PCRpt should be explicitly precluded.
>>
>> ### This is historical confusion in the figure, from the time when
>> initiation was rolled up in the same document. I modified the figure so it
>> is clear this is for updating parameters only.
>>
>  [JM] Seems addressed. Just to be confirmed when published and to confront
> with draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp.
>
> 
>
>>
>>     - s/// [Per RFC 5440, a
>>     report from PCC to PCE is RRO.]
>>
>> ### XXX Pending
>>
> [JM] As above.

%%% Done

>
>
>     - The need for the optional xRO is not well documented. Its proper
>>     naming will depend on the associated use that must be clarified.
>>     - "SRP" is still not defined.
>>
>> ### Isn't it enough to reference the section in which it is defined?
>>
>  [JM] Once added in terminology section, all these are solved.
>
> %%% Done


> 
>
>>
>>     - The use of the optional xRO is mentioned, but its relationship
>>     with the RRO (formerly ERO) is not clear. I suspect some
>>     assumptions are made on the way the ERO/RRO are populated; RFC
>>     5440 only says ERO for PCE->PCC and RRO for PCC->PCE.
>>
>> ### XXX Pending
>>
> [JM] As above.
>
> %%% Done

> 
>
>>
>>     - The behavior associated to the resource limit per PCC rather
>>     looks like a Notifcation than an Error (e.g., in RFC 5440,
>>     cancelling a set of pending requests relies on PCNtf). Please
>>     consider the use of Notification instead of Error here.
>>
>> ### XXX Pending
>>
> [JM] To be updated.
> %%% Done
>


> 
>
>>
>>     - s/defined in this document/defined in that (aforementioned)
>>     document/
>>
>> ### Unclear comment, the intention was for the flags to be set as
>> explained for the new objects in this document, not for anything in 5440.
>>
> [JM] As above: adding "current" may be enough.
> %%% Done



> 
>
>>
>>     - s/on a PCRpt message/On a PCRpt or PCReq message/
>>
>> ### We don't support delegation through a PCReq message
>>
> [JM] Addressed as part of the resolution of the new path delegation.
>
> 
>
>>
>>     - "PCE SHOULD remove all state" is written 3 times: I wonder about
>>     "MUST".
>>
>> ### SHOULD is the correct operation, the PCE is free to choose to keep
>> state around for as long as it wishes. The 3 removal statements refer to
>> different scenarios.
>>
>  [JM] I can live with that.
>
> 
>
>>
>>     - It would be nice to elaborate on the reason why the
>>     SYMBOLIC-PATH-NAME MUST be included and not SHOULD.
>>     - I do not see why SYMBOLIC-PATH-NAME may be included in SRP
>>     Object: defining the LSP Object as its single place seems enough
>>     and much simpler.
>>
>>
>> ### XXX  Pending
>>
> %%% The inclusion in SRP was a historical leftover and is removed.
Regarding why it MUST be included in the LSP object is described in the
draft in section 7.3.2. It is a stable (across PCEP session, PCC restart,
..etc), signaling protocol agnostic, and unique Identifier that identifies
the LSP during its lifetime.


> 
>
>> - As mentioned above, in Error-Type 19, Error-value 4 should be
>> considered in a PCNtf.
>> ### XXX Pending
>>
> 

%%% Done

>
>
>>     - Again in section 10.4, the "resource limit exceed" information
>>     (Error-value 4 of Error-Type 19) should be considered in a PCNtf.
>>
>> ### XXX Pending
>>
> 
>
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Thanks a lot for the very useful discussions and for the c=
ontinued review. Please see inline %%%, a new version of the draft will be =
published next week,=C2=A0

Ina=C2=A0

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:48 AM, =
Julien Meuric <julien.meuric@orange.com> wrote:
=


[snip]
<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">

Two questions and one ask

1. Forward references to SRP object and SRP-ID - there are several in the c=
omments, though the relevant section is always mentioned. How should such f=
orward references be addressed?



[JM] A simple way is to add the acronym and its expansion into the terminol=
ogy section, and optionally the forward reference.


%%% Done =C2=A0
=C2=A0



2. Section 7 - s/defined in this document/defined in that (aforementioned) =
document/

The comment was not clear to me. The intention is for the flags to be set a=
s explained for the new objects we are defining here, can you clarify the c=
omment?



[JM] Just suggesting a rewording, but my proposal was not clear either; &qu=
ot;this current I-D" may be enough to clear the ambiguity.
%%% Done =C2=A0

[snip]
=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - s/Active Stateful PCE: is an extension/Active Stateful PCE:=
 an

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 extension/



=C2=A0### Replaced as "an Active Stateful PCE that may issue recommend=
ations...





[JM] Guessing you actually meant "a Stateful PCE that may...", it=
 is OK.
%%% Yes :-)=C2=A0

[sn=
ip]










=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - OLD

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 State Timeout Interval: when a PCEP session is terminated, a =
PCC

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 waits for this time period before flushing LSP state associat=
ed

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 with that PCEP session and reverting to operator-defined defa=
ult

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 parameters or behaviors.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NEW

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 State Timeout Interval: the period of time a PCE waits for, w=
hen a

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 PCEP session is terminated, before flushing LSP state associa=
ted

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 with that PCEP session and reverting to operator-defined defa=
ult

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 parameters or behaviors.



### Done



[JM] I hope you caught my (double) typo: I was only trying to rephrase, the=
 waiting party remaining the PCC.

%%% I did now :-=
), fixed.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
[snip]



<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - The reference to draft-sivabalan-pce-disco-stateful makes t=
he

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 reader wonder why is is not part of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-p=
ce

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 itself. Besides, Table 1 also mentions IS-IS and OSPF

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 PCE-CAP-FLAGS sub-TLV, only the allocation section seems to b=
e

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 missing here. Would you talk to the authors (some being commo=
n to

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 both I-Ds) of the former to consider using their material as =
a

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 contribution? A separate document is quite an overhead for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 allocating 2 bits.





### I don't think discovery should be part of the base draft. Several r=
easons: a) 5440 does not include discovery, b) the base spec is already qui=
te large, we want to keep only the core function and=C2=A0 c) the discovery=
 draft is expired. I cleaned up table 1 and added the following text instea=
d of the reference to the draft:

Old text

[I-D.sivabalan-pce-disco-stateful] defines the extensions needed tosupport =
autodiscovery of stateful PCEs when using OSPF ([RFC5088]) or IS-IS ([RFC50=
89]) for PCE discovery.

New text

Similarly to [RFC5440], no assumption is made about the discovery method us=
ed by a PCC to discover a set of PCEs (e.g., via static configuration or dy=
namic discovery) and on the algorithm used to select a PCE. Extensions need=
ed to support autodiscovery will be defined in a separate document.



[JM] Along with RFC 5557 and 6006, including discovery bit allocation with =
PCEP extensions in a single document would save much administrative process=
ing.


%%% Done=C2=A0
=C2=A0

<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - s/include an empty ERO/include an empty RRO/ [Along with RF=
C

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5440 (section 7.10), the object sent by a PCC to report to a =
PCE

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is an RRO: let us keep it consistent.]



### XXX Pending



[JM] As discussed, clarifying that you encode the "intended path"=
 using ERO (class 7) and "actual path" using RRO (class 8) will a=
ddress my comments related to xROs.


%%% Done=C2=A0
=C2=A0

<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Avoiding "positive acknowledgements for properly recei=
ved

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 synchronization messages" has scalability benefits in no=
rmal

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 situations, but the PCC is blind and may keep on sending PCRp=
t to

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 dead processes behind up PCEP sessions. Have you consider

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 acknowledgement, possibly using a compression mechanism like =
the

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 one defined later in the I-D?



### XXX Pending
%%% =C2=A0No, we=C2=A0did not think we needed positive acks because we are using a TCP se=
ssion (guaranteed delivery all the way to the PCE).=C2=A0
=




=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - When mentioning errors, adding a sentence reminding that RF=
C

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5440 already defines a set of applicable error codes would be=


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 valuable.



### XXX Pending
%%% Done see text =
below:
"Error reporting is done using the procedures defined in [=
RFC5440], and reusing the applicable error types and error values of [RFC54=
40] wherever appropriate. The current document defines new error values =C2=
=A0for several error types to cover failures specific to stateful PCE."=
;





<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - In section 5.5.1, it is not clear if an empty LSP Update Re=
quest

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 with a Delegate flag to 1 is an acceptable way for a PCE to s=
end a

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 delegation acknowledgement: to be clarified.



### XXX Pending
%%% Yes, it is all=
owed, modified the text to clarify.=C2=A0
=C2=A0



<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - s/SHOULD return the LSP delegation/MUST return the LSP dele=
gation/



### This should remain SHOULD. The nice way to do it is to return it explic=
itly, but it may choose to wait until the next update and return the delega=
tion then by not setting the delegate flag.



[JM] As discussed together, I can live with that.





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - In section 5.5.3, assuming an LSP was delegated, does the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 reception by the PCC of a non empty LSP Update Request with a=


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Delegate Flag to 0 trigger an error?



### XXX Pending
%%% No, this is a =
delegation return. I cleaned up the text, see below.
In order to keep a=
 delegation, a PCE MUST set the Delegate flag to 1
   on each LSP Update Request sent to the PCC.  A PCE that no longer
   wishes to update an LSP's parameters SHOULD return the LSP delegatio=
n
   back to the PCC by sending an empty LSP Update Request which has the
   Delegate flag set to 0.  If a PCC receives a non-empty LSP Update
   Request with the Delegate flag set to 0, it MUST treat this as a
   delegation return.

=C2=A0



<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - At the top of page 18, "and [assuming that] PCEs' =
decisions are

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the same" should be added.



### The comment is not clear - I am assuming you refer to the text "as=
suming that the state timeout... ' on page 17, changed to: " and a=
ssuming that the primary and redundant PCEs take similar decisions, this&qu=
ot;



=C2=A0[JM] You got my point. :-)



<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - In section 5.6.2, in case of new LSP, the very first messag=
e

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 sent by the PCC aims at getting a path. This is clearly the r=
ole

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of a PCReq message, and the I-D extends it to support the LSP=


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 object including the delegation flag (section 7.3). However,<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Figure 8 treats a new LSP the same way as reporting an existi=
ng

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LSP, i.e., using a PCRpt message. In this case, there is an
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 overlap between PCReq and PCRpt, which MUST be resolved becau=
se

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 interoperability is at stake. Documenting the delegation of a=
 new

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LSP deserves some new text and possibly figure, the overlappi=
ng

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 specification of the PCRpt should be explicitly precluded.


### This is historical confusion in the figure, from the time when initiati=
on was rolled up in the same document. I modified the figure so it is clear=
 this is for updating parameters only.



=C2=A0[JM] Seems addressed. Just to be confirmed when published and to conf=
ront with draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp.



<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - s/<ERO><attribute-list>/<RRO><attribut=
e-list>/ [Per RFC 5440, a

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 report from PCC to PCE is RRO.]



### XXX Pending



[JM] As above.
%%% Done=C2=A0
=






=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - The need for the optional xRO is not well documented. Its p=
roper

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 naming will depend on the associated use that must be clarifi=
ed.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - "SRP" is still not defined.



### Isn't it enough to reference the section in which it is defined?


=C2=A0[JM] Once added in terminology section, all these are solved.


%%% Done=C2=A0
=C2=A0

<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - The use of the optional xRO is mentioned, but its relations=
hip

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 with the RRO (formerly ERO) is not clear. I suspect some

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 assumptions are made on the way the ERO/RRO are populated; RF=
C

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5440 only says ERO for PCE->PCC and RRO for PCC->PCE.


### XXX Pending



[JM] As above.


%%% Done =C2=A0

<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - The behavior associated to the resource limit per PCC rathe=
r

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 looks like a Notifcation than an Error (e.g., in RFC 5440,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 cancelling a set of pending requests relies on PCNtf). Please=


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 consider the use of Notification instead of Error here.



### XXX Pending



[JM] To be updated.

%%% Done
=C2=A0

<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - s/defined in this document/defined in that (aforementioned)=


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 document/



### Unclear comment, the intention was for the flags to be set as explained=
 for the new objects in this document, not for anything in 5440.



[JM] As above: adding "current" may be enough.

%%% Done
=C2=A0

<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - s/on a PCRpt message/On a PCRpt or PCReq message/



### We don't support delegation through a PCReq message



[JM] Addressed as part of the resolution of the new path delegation.



<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - "PCE SHOULD remove all state" is written 3 times:=
 I wonder about

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "MUST".



### SHOULD is the correct operation, the PCE is free to choose to keep stat=
e around for as long as it wishes. The 3 removal statements refer to differ=
ent scenarios.



=C2=A0[JM] I can live with that.



<snip>





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - It would be nice to elaborate on the reason why the

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SYMBOLIC-PATH-NAME MUST be included and not SHOULD.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - I do not see why SYMBOLIC-PATH-NAME may be included in SRP<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Object: defining the LSP Object as its single place seems eno=
ugh

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and much simpler.





### XXX=C2=A0 Pending
%%% The incl=
usion in SRP was a historical leftover and is removed. Regarding why it MUS=
T be included in the LSP object is described in the draft in section 7.3.2.=
 It is a stable (across PCEP session, PCC restart, ..etc), signaling protoc=
ol agnostic, and unique Identifier that identifies the LSP during its lifet=
ime. 
=C2=A0



<snip>



- As mentioned above, in Error-Type 19, Error-value 4 should be considered =
in a PCNtf.

### XXX Pending



<snip>
%%% Done=C2=A0





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Again in section 10.4, the "resource limit exceed"=
; information

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (Error-value 4 of Error-Type 19) should be considered in a PC=
Ntf.



### XXX Pending



<snip>
%%% Done=C2=A0



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