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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 11:24:49 -0000 --000000000000631580056b4b7329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, I had missed that both sides send OPEN. -Ekr On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:59 AM, Jonathan Hardwick < Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com> wrote: > Hi Eric > > > > Sorry for the slow reply. You are correct =E2=80=93 there will be a hand= shake > failure during PCEP session initialization. One peer will advertise its > only path setup capability as being X (X !=3D RSVP-TE). The other peer > (which does not support this draft) doesn=E2=80=99t advertise any path se= tup > capability. The first peer concludes that the second peer supports only > RSVP-TE and closes the PCEP session. The relevant passages from the draf= t > are as follows. > > > > In section 3: > > > > The absence of the PATH-SETUP-TYPE-CAPABILITY TLV from the OPEN > > object is equivalent to a PATH-SETUP-TYPE-CAPABILITY TLV containing a > > single PST of 0 (RSVP-TE signaling protocol) and no sub-TLVs. > > > > In section 5: > > > > If the PCEP > > speaker and its peer have no PSTs in common, then the PCEP speaker > > MUST send a PCErr message with Error-Type =3D 21 (Invalid traffic > > engineering path setup type) and Error-Value =3D 2 (Mismatched path > > setup type) and close the PCEP session. > > > > Best regards > > Jon > > > > > > *From:* Eric Rescorla [mailto:ekr@rtfm.com] > *Sent:* 04 April 2018 19:28 > *To:* Julien Meuric > *Cc:* The IESG ; draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type@ietf.org; > pce-chairs@ietf.org; pce@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: Eric Rescorla's No Objection on > draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: (with COMMENT) > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:14 AM, Julien Meuric > wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > As a shepherd, I can address your 2nd concern without waiting for the > authors. > > For both defined TLVs, the backward compatibility is addressed by the > last sentence of sections 3 and 4: > " If a PCEP speaker does not recognize the PATH-SETUP-xxx > TLV, it MUST ignore the TLV in accordance with ([RFC5440])." > > > > Sorry for not being clear. I meant a different case. What happens when an > existing > > PCEP speaker (which is not familiar with this TLV) tries to talk to > someone who > > (a) doesn't use RSVP-TE (b) advertises that fact via this mechanism. I > believe > > you get some kind of handshake failure. Is that correct? > > > > -Ekr > > > > > The exact wording will be updated to address other comments, e.g.: > - MUST -> will, > - Make it explicit that an ignored TLV is similar to an absent TLV, and > implies the only existing method before this I-D, i.e. X =3D=3D RSVP-TE > signaling (cf. Martin's comment). > > Thanks, > > Julien > > > Apr. 04, 2018 - ekr@rtfm.com: > > > Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: No Objection > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria. > html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Please expand RP and SRP on first use. > > > > What is the backward compatibility story here? I.e., say I only support > method > > X and the peer doesn't know about this TLV at all? How will it behave? > > > > > > > --000000000000631580056b4b7329 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, I had missed that both sides send OPEN.
=

-Ekr


On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:59 AM, Jonathan = Hardwick <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com> w= rote:

Hi Eric

=C2=A0

Sorry for the slow reply.=C2=A0 You are correct =E2= =80=93 there will be a handshake failure during PCEP session initialization= .=C2=A0 One peer will advertise its only path setup capability as being X (X !=3D RSVP-TE).=C2=A0 The other peer (w= hich does not support this draft) doesn=E2=80=99t advertise any path setup = capability.=C2=A0 The first peer concludes that the second peer supports on= ly RSVP-TE and closes the PCEP session.=C2=A0 The relevant passages from the draft are as follows.

=C2=A0

In section 3:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The absence of the PATH-SETUP-TYPE-CAP= ABILITY TLV from the OPEN

=C2=A0=C2=A0 object is equivalent to a PATH-SETUP-T= YPE-CAPABILITY TLV containing a

=C2=A0=C2=A0 single PST of 0 (RSVP-TE signaling pro= tocol) and no sub-TLVs.

=C2=A0

In section 5:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 If the PCEP

=C2=A0=C2=A0 speaker and its peer have no PSTs in c= ommon, then the PCEP speaker

=C2=A0=C2=A0 MUST send a PCErr message with Error-T= ype =3D 21 (Invalid traffic

=C2=A0=C2=A0 engineering path setup type) and Error= -Value =3D 2 (Mismatched path

=C2=A0=C2=A0 setup type) and close the PCEP session= .

=C2=A0

Best regards

Jon

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: = Eric Rescorla [mailto:ekr= @rtfm.com]
Sent: 04 April 2018 19:28
To: Julien Meuric <julien.meuric@orange.com>
Cc: The IESG <= iesg@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org<= /a>; pce@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-lsp-= setup-type-09: (with COMMENT)

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:14 AM, Julien Meuric <julien.meuric@o= range.com> wrote:

Hi Eric,

As a shepherd, I can address your 2nd concern without waiting for the
authors.

For both defined TLVs, the backward compatibility is addressed by the
last sentence of sections 3 and 4:
"=C2=A0 If a PCEP speaker does not recognize the PATH-SETUP-xxx
=C2=A0 =C2=A0TLV, it MUST ignore the TLV in accordance with ([RFC5440]).&qu= ot;

=C2=A0

Sorry for not being clear. I meant a different case.= What happens when an existing

PCEP speaker (which is not familiar with this TLV) t= ries to talk to someone who

(a) doesn't use RSVP-TE (b) advertises that fact= via this mechanism. I believe

you get some kind of handshake failure. Is that corr= ect?

=C2=A0

-Ekr

=C2=A0


The exact wording will be updated to address other comments, e.g.:
- MUST -> will,
- Make it explicit that an ignored TLV is similar to an absent TLV, and
implies the only existing method before this I-D, i.e. X =3D=3D RSVP-TE
signaling (cf. Martin's comment).

Thanks,

Julien


Apr. 04, 2018 - ekr@rtfm.= com:

> Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot = position for
> draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: No Objection
>
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<= br> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s
> introductory paragraph, however.)
>
>
> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>
>
> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type/
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> Please expand RP and SRP on first use.
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> What is the backward compatibility story here? I.e., say I only suppor= t method
> X and the peer doesn't know about this TLV at all? How will it beh= ave?
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This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Conveying path setup type in PCEP messages Authors : Siva Sivabalan Jeff Tantsura Ina Minei Robert Varga Jon Hardwick Filename : draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-10.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2018-05-04 Abstract: A Path Computation Element (PCE) can compute Traffic Engineering (TE) paths through a network that are subject to various constraints. Currently, TE paths are Label Switched Paths (LSPs) which are set up using the RSVP-TE signaling protocol. However, other TE path setup methods are possible within the PCE architecture. This document proposes an extension to the PCE communication protocol (PCEP) to allow support for different path setup methods over a given PCEP session. 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I think Deborah already explained our intent o= n > the telechat. =E2=80=8BYup -- somehow I'd *completely* missed the intent / text explainin= g that. Deborah pointed it out on the call and I cleared my DISCUSS. =E2=80=8B > As this document does not actually define any new path setup types (just = a > mechanism to allow multiple path setup types) we can really only make > generalized statements about the sorts of issues that should be considere= d > if a particular new setup type is introduced. We chose to include a list > of questions that anyone adding a new path setup type would need to answe= r. > > To clarify this intent, I have made the following change. > =E2=80=8BAwesome, thank you! W=E2=80=8B > > OLD > This document generalises PCEP to allow path setup methods other than > RSVP-TE to be used by the network. It is possible that, in a given > network, multiple path setup methods will be used. It is also > possible that not all devices will support the same set of path setup > methods. Managing networks that combine multiple path setup methods > may therefore raise some challenges from a configuration and > observability point of view. > > Each document that introduces a new path setup type to PCEP must > include a manageability section. The manageability section must > explain how operators can manage PCEP with the new path setup type. > It must address the following questions, which are generally > applicable when working with multiple path setup types in PCEP. > > NEW > This document generalises PCEP to allow path setup methods other than > RSVP-TE to be used by the network (but does not define any new path > setup types, besides RSVP-TE). It is possible that, in a given > network, multiple path setup methods will be used. It is also > possible that not all devices will support the same set of path setup > methods. Managing networks that combine multiple path setup methods > may therefore raise some challenges from a configuration and > observability point of view. > > Each document that defines a new Path Setup Type in the Path Setup > Type Registry (Section 8.2) must include a manageability section. > The manageability section must explain how operators can manage PCEP > with the new path setup type. It must address the following > questions, which are generally applicable when working with multiple > path setup types in PCEP. > > END > > Best regards > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Kumari [mailto:warren@kumari.net] > Sent: 05 April 2018 00:24 > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type@ietf.org; Julien Meuric < > julien.meuric@orange.com>; pce-chairs@ietf.org; julien.meuric@orange.com; > pce@ietf.org > Subject: Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: > (with DISCUSS) > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ignas balloted NoObj; I'll be the baddie. > > Section 6. Manageability Considerations says: > --- > Each document that introduces a new path setup type to PCEP must > include a manageability section. The manageability section must > explain how operators can manage PCEP with the new path setup type. > It must address the following questions, which are generally > applicable when working with multiple path setup types in PCEP. > > o What are the criteria for when devices will use the new path setup > type in PCEP, and how can the operator control this? > > o How can the network be migrated to the new path setup type, and > are there any backwards compatibility issues that operators need > to be aware of? > > o Are paths set up using the new path setup type intended to coexist > with other paths over the long term and, if so, how is this > situation managed with PCEP? > ---- > > So, I see lots of open questions, but no answers to any of these.... > > > > > --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --001a114e2e3a4923e5056b628f8e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Hi Warren, Ignas,

Sorry for the slow reply.=C2=A0 I think Deborah already explained our inten= t on the telechat.=C2=A0

=E2=80=8BYup -- somehow= I'd *completely* missed the intent / text explaining that. Deborah poi= nted it out on the call and I cleared my DISCUSS. =E2=80=8B

=C2=A0
As this document does not= actually define any new path setup types (just a mechanism to allow multip= le path setup types) we can really only make generalized statements about t= he sorts of issues that should be considered if a particular new setup type= is introduced.=C2=A0 We chose to include a list of questions that anyone a= dding a new path setup type would need to answer.

To clarify this intent, I have made the following change.
<= div>
=E2=80=8BAwesome, thank you!
W=E2=80=8B

= =C2=A0

OLD
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document generalises PCEP to allow path setup methods oth= er than
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RSVP-TE to be used by the network.=C2=A0 It is possible that, = in a given
=C2=A0 =C2=A0network, multiple path setup methods will be used.=C2=A0 It is= also
=C2=A0 =C2=A0possible that not all devices will support the same set of pat= h setup
=C2=A0 =C2=A0methods.=C2=A0 Managing networks that combine multiple path se= tup methods
=C2=A0 =C2=A0may therefore raise some challenges from a configuration and =C2=A0 =C2=A0observability point of view.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Each document that introduces a new path setup type to PCEP mu= st
=C2=A0 =C2=A0include a manageability section.=C2=A0 The manageability secti= on must
=C2=A0 =C2=A0explain how operators can manage PCEP with the new path setup = type.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0It must address the following questions, which are generally =C2=A0 =C2=A0applicable when working with multiple path setup types in PCEP= .

NEW
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document generalises PCEP to allow path setup methods oth= er than
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RSVP-TE to be used by the network (but does not define any new= path
=C2=A0 =C2=A0setup types, besides RSVP-TE).=C2=A0 It is possible that, in a= given
=C2=A0 =C2=A0network, multiple path setup methods will be used.=C2=A0 It is= also
=C2=A0 =C2=A0possible that not all devices will support the same set of pat= h setup
=C2=A0 =C2=A0methods.=C2=A0 Managing networks that combine multiple path se= tup methods
=C2=A0 =C2=A0may therefore raise some challenges from a configuration and =C2=A0 =C2=A0observability point of view.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Each document that defines a new Path Setup Type in the Path S= etup
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Type Registry (Section 8.2) must include a manageability secti= on.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The manageability section must explain how operators can manag= e PCEP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0with the new path setup type.=C2=A0 It must address the follow= ing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0questions, which are generally applicable when working with mu= ltiple
=C2=A0 =C2=A0path setup types in PCEP.

END

Best regards
Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Kumari [mailto:warren@kumari.net]
Sent: 05 April 2018 00:24
To: The IESG <iesg@ie= tf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type@ietf.org; Julien Meuric <julien.meuric@orange= .com>; pce-= chairs@ietf.org; julien.meuric@orange.com; pce@ietf.org
Subject: Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: (= with DISCUSS)

Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: Discuss

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email= addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/s= tatement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
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----------------------------------------------------------------------
DISCUSS:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Ignas balloted NoObj; I'll be the baddie.

Section 6.=C2=A0 Manageability Considerations says:
---
Each document that introduces a new path setup type to PCEP must
=C2=A0 =C2=A0include a manageability section.=C2=A0 The manageability secti= on must
=C2=A0 =C2=A0explain how operators can manage PCEP with the new path setup = type.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0It must address the following questions, which are generally =C2=A0 =C2=A0applicable when working with multiple path setup types in PCEP= .

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 What are the criteria for when devices will use the ne= w path setup
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type in PCEP, and how can the operator control this?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 How can the network be migrated to the new path setup = type, and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 are there any backwards compatibility issues that oper= ators need
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to be aware of?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 Are paths set up using the new path setup type intende= d to coexist
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 with other paths over the long term and, if so, how is= this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 situation managed with PCEP?
----

So, I see lots of open questions, but no answers to any of these....






--
I don't t= hink the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the firs= t place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later exp= ressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pai= r of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf
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Deborah - this version should be good to go to the RFC editor. Many thanks Jon -----Original Message----- From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.o= rg Sent: 04 May 2018 10:40 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-10.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Conveying path setup type in PCEP messages Authors : Siva Sivabalan Jeff Tantsura Ina Minei Robert Varga Jon Hardwick Filename : draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-10.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2018-05-04 Abstract: A Path Computation Element (PCE) can compute Traffic Engineering (TE) paths through a network that are subject to various constraints. Currently, TE paths are Label Switched Paths (LSPs) which are set up using the RSVP-TE signaling protocol. However, other TE path setup methods are possible within the PCE architecture. This document proposes an extension to the PCE communication protocol (PCEP) to allow support for different path setup methods over a given PCEP session. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Fri May 11 13:11:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D2E12D879; Fri, 11 May 2018 13:11:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type@ietf.org, db3546@att.com, pce@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, Julien Meuric , julien.meuric@orange.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <152606947227.10647.7363394497833785756.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 13:11:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Protocol Action: 'Conveying path setup type in PCEP messages' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-10.txt) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 20:11:12 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Conveying path setup type in PCEP messages' (draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-10.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Path Computation Element Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Martin Vigoureux and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type/ Technical Summary A Path Computation Element can compute traffic engineering paths (TE paths) through a network that are subject to various constraints. Currently, TE paths are label switched paths (LSPs) which are set up using the RSVP-TE signaling protocol. However, other TE path setup methods are possible within the PCE architecture. This document proposes an extension to PCEP to allow support for different path setup methods over a given PCEP session. Working Group Summary No controversy. The capability feature added after the 1st LC resulted in a significant change, agreed on the list, and a 2nd WGLC. Document Quality There are several PCEP implementations supporting Segment Routing, which implies the support of this I-D. The discussion on the list about backward compatible changes showed the I-D is implemented. Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a conclusion that the document had no substantive issues? As shepherd, Julien triggered the latest changes about a missing feature. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Julien Meuric Who is the Responsible Area Director? 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In the current MIB implementation, neither pcePcepPeerAddr nor pcePcepEntit= yIndex is part of the standard notification object. With this implementation, how do we indicate active and standby PCEP sessio= ns in the notifications or in other words how to uniquely identify the PCEP= session that sends the notification? We would like to propose a modification to the existing draft to include th= e unique session identifier as part of the notification object. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks, Sowmya --_000_HE1PR0701MB25857D404965EB6B790AA726F49E0HE1PR0701MB2585_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

This query is regarding the current PCEP standard MI= B.

In the current MIB implementation, neither pcePcepPeerAddr nor=
 pcePcepEntityIndex is part of the standard notification object.

 

With this implementation, how do we indicate active and standby PCEP sessions in the= notifications or in other words how to uniquely identify the PCEP session = that sends the notification?

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We would = like to propose a modification to the existing draft to include the unique = session identifier as part of the notification object.

Please le= t me know your thoughts.

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Thanks,

Sowmya

--_000_HE1PR0701MB25857D404965EB6B790AA726F49E0HE1PR0701MB2585_-- From nobody Sat May 12 11:05:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3419126C89 for ; Sat, 12 May 2018 11:05:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ARq_YOREdNu8 for ; Sat, 12 May 2018 11:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta5.iomartmail.com (mta5.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 838B2124319 for ; Sat, 12 May 2018 11:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (vs2.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.123]) by mta5.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w4CI5ewr000803; Sat, 12 May 2018 19:05:40 +0100 Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2500622044; Sat, 12 May 2018 19:05:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.224]) by vs2.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F7ED22042; Sat, 12 May 2018 19:05:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from 950129200 (154.154.51.84.dyn.plus.net [84.51.154.154] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w4CI5cSj030345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 May 2018 19:05:39 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'M.Sowmya .'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 19:05:38 +0100 Message-ID: <030001d3ea1b$d57bbff0$80733fd0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0301_01D3EA24.3741AE90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-gb Thread-Index: AQLun+lV2rRTyWUwvYQp6aHuM0fFZ6H29L/Q X-Originating-IP: 84.51.154.154 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-23840.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--23.294-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--23.294-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-23840.001 X-TMASE-Result: 10--23.294100-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: x2HXvaraFonPUVjK4eMf+70dPFETpBAHhV0srjoqtx/wkZ5FhgEMOlGV pDubto/1Iq1A6h3YjOeSai5O5NiSHvfUSYgzJhhiCWiOS0BVokgh/JA0dHadppYHNWl0nq2bf/b TCoZRptI22uoEm245flgUFTT7Y9QpYTZ2mX+nxwxwUSK4/EeOxbRfRjDbtW6i5DjmdW0+qbHKjf UdX96vDDB6EdCmNDGVVbEDP0uzojXyTBeqcpWTVlRe8joruKtpIFb2VdwQdkDROhK+RFWo5lthO gNFYwZakNCK/RB7QjECSHHGjA3FAhfyTevQtfkQkdcpJKX5Jwr8BlbXy+O/WnKuL8SC59l3YCow KSvpI+95QzetarMsxEgF6uuiHQ769Z8q6rO+Ih6Ycl4BgqVyk3G1ZiUO5FClZ5yuplze9ps57kF jOTI5JYBMc1fifV0YEE7drCx1oTkJEd0lG94Ju01Wvi92YKnO0Wl6Zu5sEJy5GN1lMPwfF7vIsi QsjbepdvgGbsWpCct4p2/OtAq0KMD6PBj+02DbGUubsVz8Tem5pw2tsxj4tPufvd3T2+v3p74Ni ggzoBhUsBrwpfAq3hiw7kRxDFprlwV2iaAfSWcURSScn+QSXrTrdaH1ZWqCpvI8UZOf47j3PDiX O/tFSYOUDOaVIRXSdnUgoEgJGLh+b416CKh0YshOsyUn70fUq/7sDOWtuDY= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Query regarding RFC7420 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 18:05:48 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0301_01D3EA24.3741AE90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Sowmya, I think you may misunderstand the nature of SNMP notifications. The objects they contain are not abstract fields, they are objects in entries in tables. Thus, the notification is supplying specific fields in specific entries in the tables, and so automatically indicate the context. Cheers, Adrian From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of M.Sowmya . Sent: 12 May 2018 14:58 To: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Query regarding RFC7420 Hi, This query is regarding the current PCEP standard MIB. In the current MIB implementation, neither pcePcepPeerAddr nor pcePcepEntityIndex is part of the standard notification object. With this implementation, how do we indicate active and standby PCEP sessions in the notifications or in other words how to uniquely identify the PCEP session that sends the notification? We would like to propose a modification to the existing draft to include the unique session identifier as part of the notification object. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks, Sowmya ------=_NextPart_000_0301_01D3EA24.3741AE90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey = Sowmya,

 

I think you may = misunderstand the nature of SNMP notifications. The objects they contain = are not abstract fields, they are objects in entries in tables. Thus, = the notification is supplying specific fields in specific entries in the = tables, and so automatically indicate the = context.

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

From: Pce = [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of M.Sowmya = .
Sent: 12 May 2018 14:58
To: = pce@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Query regarding = RFC7420

 

Hi,

 

This query is regarding the current = PCEP standard MIB.

In the current MIB implementation, neither =
pcePcepPeerAddr nor pcePcepEntityIndex is part of the =
standard notification object.

 

With this implementation, how do we = indicate active and standby PCEP sessions in the notifications or in = other words how to uniquely identify the PCEP session that sends the = notification?

 <= /o:p>

We would = like to propose a modification to the existing draft to include the = unique session identifier as part of the notification = object.

Please let = me know your thoughts.

 <= /o:p>

Thanks,=

Sowmya

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Does this mean that we pass pointer to {pcepSessState, pcePcepSessStateLastChange} in pcePcepSessEntry table (maybe via OID-ref) rather than actual {session-state, timestamp} value for this notification. Regards Anush On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:35 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hey Sowmya, > > > > I think you may misunderstand the nature of SNMP notifications. The > objects they contain are not abstract fields, they are objects in entries > in tables. Thus, the notification is supplying specific fields in specific > entries in the tables, and so automatically indicate the context. > > > > Cheers, > > Adrian > > > > *From:* Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *M.Sowmya .. > *Sent:* 12 May 2018 14:58 > *To:* pce@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Pce] Query regarding RFC7420 > > > > Hi, > > > > This query is regarding the current PCEP standard MIB. > > In the current MIB implementation, neither *pcePcepPeerAddr *nor *pcePcepEntityIndex* is part of the standard notification object. > > > > With this implementation, how do we indicate active and standby PCEP > sessions in the notifications or in other words how to uniquely identify > the PCEP session that sends the notification? > > > > We would like to propose a modification to the existing draft to include > the unique session identifier as part of the notification object. > > Please let me know your thoughts. > > > > Thanks, > > Sowmya > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > > --000000000000ff7eda056c2205a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi Adrian,

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Could you p= lease clarify it bit more. Does this mean that we pass pointer to {pcepSess= State, pcePcepSessStateLastChange} in pcePcepSessEntry table (maybe via OID= -ref)
rather than actual {session-state, timestamp} value for this= notification.



Regards
Anush

On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:35 PM, Adrian Far= rel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:

Hey Sowmya,

=C2=A0

I think you may misunderstand the natur= e of SNMP notifications. The objects they contain are not abstract fields, = they are objects in entries in tables. Thus, the notification is supplying = specific fields in specific entries in the tables, and so automatically ind= icate the context.

=C2=A0

= Cheers,

Adrian

=C2=A0

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of M.Sowmya ..
Sent: 12 May 2018 14:58
To: <= a href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">pce@ietf.org
Sub= ject: [Pce] Query regarding RFC7420

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

This query is regarding the current PC= EP standard MIB.

I=
n the current MIB implementation, neither pcePcepPeerAddr nor pce=
PcepEntityIndex is part of the standard notification object.<=
/u>

=C2=A0

With this imple= mentation, how do we indicate active and standb= y PCEP sessions in the notifications or in other words how to uniquely iden= tify the PCEP session that sends the notification?

=

=C2=A0

=

We would like to propose a modi= fication to the existing draft to include the unique session identifier as = part of the notification object.

Please let me know your thoughts.

=C2=A0

Thanks,<= /span>

Sowmya


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The = Notification does not copy values from storage and pass them - to do = that the Notification would need to define new objects in a new table, = etc.=20 =20 But the definition is=20 pcePcepSessUp NOTIFICATION-TYPE OBJECTS { pcePcepSessState, pcePcepSessStateLastChange } =20 So go and look up the meaning of the "OBJECTS" clause (maybe the whole = definition of the "NOTIFICATION-TYPE" macro) in RFC 2578 or a good book = on SMI. This will show you that the Notification emits the objects and = they are, of course, parameterised so that you can determine to which = table entry they apply. =20 Adrian =20 From: Anush Mohan [mailto:anush.iitm@gmail.com]=20 Sent: 14 May 2018 04:24 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; pce@ietf.org Cc: M.Sowmya . Subject: Re: [Pce] Query regarding RFC7420 =20 hi Adrian, Could you please clarify it bit more. Does this mean that we pass = pointer to {pcepSessState, pcePcepSessStateLastChange} in = pcePcepSessEntry table (maybe via OID-ref) rather than actual {session-state, timestamp} value for this = notification. Regards Anush =20 On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:35 PM, Adrian Farrel = wrote: Hey Sowmya, =20 I think you may misunderstand the nature of SNMP notifications. The = objects they contain are not abstract fields, they are objects in = entries in tables. Thus, the notification is supplying specific fields = in specific entries in the tables, and so automatically indicate the = context. =20 Cheers, Adrian =20 From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of M.Sowmya .. Sent: 12 May 2018 14:58 To: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Query regarding RFC7420 =20 Hi, =20 This query is regarding the current PCEP standard MIB. In the current MIB implementation, neither pcePcepPeerAddr nor = pcePcepEntityIndex is part of the standard notification object. =20 With this implementation, how do we indicate active and standby PCEP = sessions in the notifications or in other words how to uniquely identify = the PCEP session that sends the notification? =20 We would like to propose a modification to the existing draft to include = the unique session identifier as part of the notification object. Please let me know your thoughts. =20 Thanks, Sowmya _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01D3EB85.BD8D5410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hej,

 

pcepSessState and = pcePcepSessStateLastChange are objects not values. The Notification does = not copy values from storage and pass them - to do that the Notification = would need to define new objects in a new table, etc. =

 

But the definition is =

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0pcePcepSessUp = NOTIFICATION-TYPE

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = OBJECTS=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 pcePcepSessState,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 pcePcepSessStateLastChange

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = }

 

So go and look up the meaning = of the "OBJECTS" clause (maybe the whole definition of the = "NOTIFICATION-TYPE" macro) in RFC 2578 or a good book on SMI. = This will show you that the Notification emits the objects and they are, = of course, parameterised so that you can determine to which table entry = they apply.

 

Adrian

 

From: Anush Mohan = [mailto:anush.iitm@gmail.com]
Sent: 14 May 2018 = 04:24
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; pce@ietf.org
Cc: = M.Sowmya .
Subject: Re: [Pce] Query regarding = RFC7420

 

hi = Adrian,

   Could you = please clarify it bit more. Does this mean that we pass pointer to = {pcepSessState, pcePcepSessStateLastChange} in pcePcepSessEntry table = (maybe via OID-ref)

rather than actual {session-state, = timestamp} value for this notification.

=


=

Regards

Anush

 

On Sat, = May 12, 2018 at 11:35 PM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> = wrote:

Hey Sowmya,

 

I think you may misunderstand the nature of SNMP = notifications. The objects they contain are not abstract fields, they = are objects in entries in tables. Thus, the notification is supplying = specific fields in specific entries in the tables, and so automatically = indicate the context.

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of M.Sowmya = ..
Sent: 12 May 2018 14:58
To: pce@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Query = regarding RFC7420

 <= /o:p>

Hi,

 

This query is regarding = the current PCEP standard MIB.

In the current MIB implementation, neither =
pcePcepPeerAddr nor pcePcepEntityIndex is part of the =
standard notification object.

 

With this implementation, = how do we indicate active and standby PCEP sessions in the notifications = or in other words how to uniquely identify the PCEP session that sends = the notification?

 

We would like to propose = a modification to the existing draft to include the unique session = identifier as part of the notification object.

Please let me know your = thoughts.

 

Thanks,

Sowmya


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Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152696188245.7778.18431053626876580014@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 21:04:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-07.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 04:04:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for MPLS-TE LSP Automatic Bandwidth Adjustment with Stateful PCE Authors : Dhruv Dhody Udayasree Palle Ravi Singh Rakesh Gandhi Luyuan Fang Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-07.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2018-05-21 Abstract: The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu May 24 09:26:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87D0127419 for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 09:26:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H3iyOBNnBaoG for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 09:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.orange.com (p-mail1.rd.orange.com [161.106.1.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53356127522 for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 09:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.orange.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BC2E410282; Thu, 24 May 2018 18:26:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.194.32.11]) by p-mail1.rd.orange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E12F410278; Thu, 24 May 2018 18:26:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.193.71.132] (10.193.71.132) by FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (10.194.32.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.389.1; Thu, 24 May 2018 18:26:31 +0200 From: Julien Meuric Organization: Orange To: "pce@ietf.org" , Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 18:26:31 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Shepherd Review of draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 16:26:41 -0000 Hi all, Please find below my review of draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions, dug out of the backlog. Let us discuss the main identified issues first, we will look at the minor comments and nits afterwards. Generally speaking, the main items to improve are related to clarification. Normative behavior and especially error handling often need more accurate descriptions to limit ambiguities. Sorting error values may also be deserved, especially with respect to existing error types. ------ Section 2.2 --- - s/The PCE MAY try to follow/The PCE SHOULD  try to follow - s/Otherwise, the PCE MAY use/Otherwise, the PCE MUST use/ ------ Section 2.3 --- - The bidirectional symmetric bandwidth is defined with 2 MUST's and a MUST NOT: the error case is not specified if the 3 requirements are not followed. I guess a sentence pointing to Error-Type 10/Value TBA-14 would address this. - s/asymmetric bandwidth, it SHOULD/asymmetric bandwidth, it MUST/ ------ Section 2.4 --- - The following text is unnecessary and should be dropped: "A PCC SHOULD be allowed to request a set of TE-LSP also in case of GMPLS  bandwidth specification.  The LOAD-BALANCING has the same limitation as the BANDWIDTH for GMPLS  networks." - Like above, the bidirectional symmetric bandwidth with LOAD-BALANCING is defined with 2 MUST's and a MUST NOT: the error case is not specified if the 3 requirements are not followed. I guess a sentence pointing to a relevant error (Type 10, new Value?) would address this. - s/while specifying load balancing constraints, it SHOULD/while specifying load balancing constraints, it MUST/ - About the last paragraph ("For example [...] corresponding request"):   * Have you considered moving into appendix?   * Codepoints are mentioned instead of TBA-2, -4... ------ Section 2.5.1 --- - s/restriction are not always/restriction may not be/ OLD:    Endpoint type 0 MAY be accepted by    the PCE, other endpoint type MAY be supported if the PCE    implementation supports P2MP path calculation.  A PCE not supporting    a given endpoint type MUST respond with a PCErr with error code "Path    computation failure", error type "Unsupported endpoint type in END-    POINTS Generalized Endpoint object type". NEW:    A PCE may accept only Endpoint Type 0: Endpoint Types 1-4 apply if the    PCE implementation supports P2MP path calculation. A PCE not    supporting a given Endpoint Type SHOULD respond with a PCErr with    Error Type 4, Value TBD "Unsupported endpoint type in END-POINTS    Generalized Endpoint object type". As per [RFC5440], a PCE unable to    process Generalized Endpoints may respond with Error Type 3 or 4,    Value 2. OLD:    A PCE not supporting one of those TLVs in a PCReq MUST respond with a    PCRep with NO-PATH with the bit "Unknown destination" or "Unknown    source" in the NO-PATH-VECTOR TLV, the response SHOULD include the    ENDPOINT object in the response with only the TLV it did not    understood. NEW:    When receiving a PCReq, a PCE unable to resolve the identifier in one of    those TLVs MUST respond using a PCRep with NO-PATH and set the bit    "Unknown destination" or "Unknown source" in the NO-PATH-VECTOR TLV.    The response SHOULD include the ENDPOINT object with only the TLV it    did not understand. - s/error type="Path computation failure"/Error Type 4/ ------ Section 2.5.2.5. --- - The I-D has chosen to allocate 2 TLV codepoints for LABEL-SET and SUGGESTED-LABEL-SET. Any reason not to use just one including a strict/loose bit to distinguish them? - s/allocated on the first link/allocated on the first endpoint/ - The text "has the same encoding as the LABEL-SET TLV, it" is redundant and should be dropped. OLD:       This Bit SHOULD be set to 0 in a SUGGESTED-LABEL-SET       TLV Set and ignored on receipt. This Label MAY be reused. The R       bit of the RP object MUST be set. NEW:       The R bit of the RP object MUST be set to 1. In a SUGGESTED-LABEL-SET       TLV, this bit SHOULD be set to 0 and ignored on receipt. - In the 1st paragraph on page 19 ("Several LABEL_SET TLVs [...] be ignored"), it seems that SHOULD's should be MUST's. ------ Sections 2.6. & 2.7 --- - To be consistence with RFC 7896, both sentences about the L bit should be dropped. ------ Sections 3 & 5.5 --- - Several errors (e.g., TBD-15, -28, -29...) may be moved to Type 4. --- Best regards, Julien