From nobody Sat Jun 1 10:28:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4958012003E; Sat, 1 Jun 2019 10:28:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pce@ietf.org Message-ID: <155941009719.17407.7817704893262720850@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2019 10:28:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-11.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2019 17:28:18 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Extensions to Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) for Hierarchical Path Computation Elements (PCE) Authors : Fatai Zhang Quintin Zhao Oscar Gonzalez de Dios R. Casellas Daniel King Filename : draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-11.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2019-06-01 Abstract: The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture is defined in RFC 6805. It provides a mechanism to derive an optimum end-to-end path in a multi-domain environment by using a hierarchical relationship between domains to select the optimum sequence of domains and optimum paths across those domains. This document defines extensions to the Path Computation Element Protocol (PCEP) to support Hierarchical PCE procedures. 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This version addressed various comments, NITs and = readability improvements made by the IESG and review team reviews. =20 Thanks! BR Dan, and the other draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions authors.=20 -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org =20 Sent: 01 June 2019 18:28 To: Daniel King ; Oscar Gonzalez de Dios = ; Fatai Zhang = ; Oscar de Dios = ; Quintin Zhao = ; pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-11.txt A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-11.txt has been successfully submitted by Daniel King and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions Revision: 11 Title: Extensions to Path Computation Element Communication Protocol = (PCEP) for Hierarchical Path Computation Elements (PCE) Document date: 2019-06-01 Group: pce Pages: 31 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-= 11.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-11 Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions= Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-1= 1 Abstract: The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture is defined in RFC 6805. It provides a mechanism to derive an optimum end-to-end path in a multi-domain environment by using a hierarchical relationship between domains to select the optimum sequence of domains and optimum paths across those domains. 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Sun, 02 Jun 2019 22:28:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <058701d517c5$15653c90$402fb5b0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 10:57:50 +0530 Message-ID: To: "Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept)" Cc: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "pce@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBQQ0VQIEVuaGFuY2VkIEVycm9ycw==?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 05:28:30 -0000 Hi Haomian, Lets come up with the guidelines (and get the agreement on the mailing list) first! Then, lets take one of the I-D as example and work with the authors to incorporate the guidelines. We can worry about how to add guidelines to the wiki later. We can also add the guidelines in your draft itself. Thanks! Dhruv On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 7:20 AM Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) wrote: > > Hi, Adrian, WGs, > > Thank you for bringing the issue to the list, I think we agreed the direc= tion you mentioned 'no haste but keep moving' in Prague. We would definitel= y like to provide some text as guideline for other documents, either in the= draft or on the wiki page, or both. Personally I need to understand the co= ntext in the wiki page before doing that. Do the chairs want to see a separ= ate paragraph talking about the error handling? Or we put the text together= with other sections like 'implement policy'? > > We can move on providing text once we can agree on how to manage, thank y= ou. > > Best wishes, > Haomian (as one of the co-authors) > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3= =E8=A1=A8 Adrian Farrel > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=8831=E6=97=A5 = 23:25 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: pce@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Pce] PCEP Enhanced Errors > > Hi, > > In Prague we had a discussion of draft-ietf-pce-enhanced-errors. > > My recollection is that we decided that there was no great hurry to push = this document to completion, but that we didn't want to abandon it. > > Checking back with the minutes, there was an objective that we encourage = authors of other documents to adhere to the error behaviours described in t= his document. We do this possibly by putting text on a wiki page, but first= by discussing the guidelines on the mailing list. Looks like we were parti= cularly interested in the behaviours when there are multiple PCEs present. > > We also discussed the possibilities for encouraging an "Error Handling" > section in all our drafts, or at least for a section on "Error Handling i= n Multi-PCE Scenarios" when applicable. > > Would the authors of draft-ietf-pce-enhanced-errors like to take the lead= on this? > > Thanks, > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Mon Jun 3 13:04:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9609312083D; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 13:03:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: dhruv.ietf@gmail.com, The IESG , db3546@att.com, Dhruv Dhody , draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions@ietf.org, pce@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <155959223060.24754.11484540035029314495.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 13:03:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Protocol Action: 'Extensions to Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) for Hierarchical Path Computation Elements (PCE)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-11.txt) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 20:03:51 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Extensions to Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) for Hierarchical Path Computation Elements (PCE)' (draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions-11.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Path Computation Element Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Martin Vigoureux and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions/ Technical Summary The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture is defined in RFC 6805. It provides a mechanism to derive an optimum end-to-end path in a multi-domain environment by using a hierarchical relationship between domains to select the optimum sequence of domains and optimum paths across those domains. This document defines extensions to the Path Computation Element Protocol (PCEP) to support Hierarchical PCE procedures. Working Group Summary No controversies. The document was initially marked experimental and after discussion within the WG it was moved to proposed standards. The consensus behind the document is good and it is bases for further H-PCE related work such as stateful H-PCE and ACTN. Document Quality There are several PCEP implementations supporting H-PCE. This includes commercial as well as open source implementations. This information can be found in the appendix. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Dhruv Dhody Who is the Responsible Area Director? Deborah Brungard From nobody Mon Jun 3 21:18:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6420012010F; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 21:18:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qpy2-09GMTEI; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 21:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B4901200A4; Mon, 3 Jun 2019 21:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LHREML714-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id E7B03D6486CB6B71802E; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 05:18:13 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.53) by LHREML714-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 05:18:13 +0100 Received: from lhreml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.53) by lhreml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 05:18:13 +0100 Received: from NKGEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.75) by lhreml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 05:18:12 +0100 Received: from NKGEML513-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.182]) by nkgeml414-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 12:18:06 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: "pce@ietf.org" , "lsr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Solicit feeback on draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-01 Thread-Index: AdUajH01fwzxh9ZYQPmLQgOfMgsMnQ== Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 04:18:05 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.134.31.203] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Solicit feeback on draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-01 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 04:18:17 -0000 Hi, Folks: Draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support was adopted by LSR WG in Dece= mber 2018 due to security importance for routing protocol. Julien shared his comments and also help look for comments and feedback fro= m PCE WG on this draft during poll adoption call in LSR WG. Recently we made a quick update to draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-su= pport without technical content changes. We would like to solicit comments and feedback again on this draft. Thanks = in advance! -Qin > -----Original Message----- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 8:45 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action:=20 > draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-01.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : IGP extension for PCEP security capability supp= ort in the PCE > discovery > Authors : Diego R. Lopez > Qin Wu > Dhruv Dhody > Michael Wang > Daniel King > Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-01.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2019-06-02 >=20 > Abstract: > When a Path Computation Element (PCE) is a Label Switching Router > (LSR) participating in the Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP), or even a > server participating in IGP, its presence and path computation > capabilities can be advertised using IGP flooding. The IGP > extensions for PCE discovery (RFC 5088 and RFC 5089) define a method > to advertise path computation capabilities using IGP flooding for > OSPF and IS-IS respectively. However these specifications lack a > method to advertise PCEP security (e.g., Transport Layer > Security(TLS), TCP Authentication Option (TCP-AO)) support > capability. >=20 > This document proposes new capability flag bits for PCE-CAP-FLAGS > sub-TLV that can be announced as attribute in the IGP advertisement > to distribute PCEP security support information. In addition, this > document updates RFC 5088 and RFC 5089 to allow advertisement of Key > ID or Key Chain Name Sub-TLV to support TCP AO security capability. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security > - > support/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-supp > ort-01 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-sec > urity- > support-01 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-securit > y- > support-01 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20 > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.iet= f.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr From nobody Tue Jun 4 03:39:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D48120018; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 03:39:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pce@ietf.org Message-ID: <155964476083.28088.6069409221992802788@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 03:39:20 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 10:39:21 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Ability for a stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) to request and obtain control of a LSP Authors : Aswatnarayan Raghuram Al Goddard Chaitanya Yadlapalli Jay Karthik Siva Sivabalan Jon Parker Mahendra Singh Negi Filename : draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2019-06-04 Abstract: The stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) communication Protocol (PCEP) extensions provide stateful control of Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSP) via PCEP, for a model where a Path Computation Client (PCC) delegates control over one or more locally configured LSPs to a stateful PCE. There are use-cases in which a stateful PCE may wish to request and obtain control of one or more LSPs from a PCC. This document describes a simple extension to stateful PCEP to achieve such an objective. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jun 4 03:40:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B00D1208B8; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 03:39:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pce@ietf.org Message-ID: <155964478896.27978.3568719703370368488@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 03:39:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-07.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 10:39:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) extension for signaling LSP diversity constraint Authors : Stephane Litkowski Siva Sivabalan Colby Barth Mahendra Singh Negi Filename : draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-07.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-06-04 Abstract: This document introduces a simple mechanism to associate a group of Label Switched Paths (LSPs) via an extension to the Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP) with the purpose of computing diverse paths for those LSPs. The proposed extension allows a Path Computation Client (PCC) to advertise to a PCE that a particular LSP belongs to a disjoint-group, thus the PCE knows that LSPs in the same group needs to be disjoint from each other. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jun 4 03:42:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555BC1200F4; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 03:42:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pce@ietf.org Message-ID: <155964496126.28038.1964828714072383097@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 03:42:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection-05.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 10:42:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for Associating Working and Protection LSPs with Stateful PCE Authors : Hariharan Ananthakrishnan Siva Sivabalan Colby Barth Raveendra Torvi Ina Minei Edward Crabbe Mahendra Singh Negi Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection-05.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2019-06-04 Abstract: A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) is capable of computing as well as controlling via Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) Multiprotocol Label Switching Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (MPLS LSP). Furthermore, it is also possible for a stateful PCE to create, maintain, and delete LSPs. This document describes PCEP extension to associate two or more LSPs to provide end-to-end path protection. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jun 4 08:47:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0273120043; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:47:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aTWd9J_dZGs2; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd44.google.com (mail-io1-xd44.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EC3412000F; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd44.google.com with SMTP id u19so1802390ior.9; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 08:47:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4IHnjBmmDl1ZWXc/CUklkDs7+71K2KFZE6/8yw238Ao=; b=LxAFA/ta1E4BmRPqj+fXqgn32slFWBhpjpgF/yiFpKgKWsh71dHagoOuotEiAGR8Eg icLlgG/pFym0USHoPqxpZccSnyQOo7Kb0uok7O9uPYe+m6BJCzlvocK9DPSBIDguSHBe ThXZZ9I6/gcoUn+8/xUj3xtVx3M+E5WQVYfFc2qJi8vXemL6dyAO2y9fvf8vbowMM1hz jf1pD2aDAaY/ZW/Lpq6jaFvExGY++VMuJitQ1Nk5brsuRx5+/g1XRezuGFfGOPVWXLRy zRCg/FZQVbk8JA11kDIJbY94jjyTLtBTz5X3/lB3d3vJUZRrSPMrEkzEQqqu3A0nq5C6 /aIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4IHnjBmmDl1ZWXc/CUklkDs7+71K2KFZE6/8yw238Ao=; b=OHEeBlFYcIqHKAlUi2dbaasGgEQJoQrG33RLdlyd5gcBKgQ715e6SH6HOwe0ORQIfM noC7Xvb3E2ziJ+3vSVUIrMsuZPlHSAka9tSzO3Xx1XjkDdfhqKw5k5oa4T50aTBkjtNd d3ui61JXEqB+iKensJfGQwQoXCYGXFvEltacwTcQEQUW/RPiKiWk15LL7oldDB0YdVcu +1qxvZYQH4+G36gaueaj/FhY1TkjdV+74G1VppSTm0f466PRiQTSh8eA6jG6TfRQd2C5 1MiV4BdVlrYCYS6ef3SQF71jA7lntSYgDWJuwJ9l3OVYh8pwljRxFybgn9Pa8L2gICSd 8tUA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU2wDRi5zQ3rc4rHYF9ZJfZ3bkLh/AKdW2O3p4Vkp4imVU3JZGX Aa3nePaWl6gIQjRQ5QMG+gvOO+ODbJPqCigrMzWSomJX X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzfkhMw2Sk1HAKlvLGWfeyHXf7sGDgV5iXAfNw113PePBLg6iHgxfNld+m3l3ZMB+VCgY3u0eZ0ORWkGmkFigI= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:d612:: with SMTP id w18mr21327037iom.279.1559663253244; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 08:47:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 21:16:56 +0530 Message-ID: To: draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Chair review of draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 15:47:38 -0000 Hi, Thanks for making the update (-07). Just one more nit in the update - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-07 Section 4.1 As per [I-D.ietf-pce-association-group], LSPs are associated with other LSPs with which they interact by adding them to a common association group. The Association parameters, as described in [I-D.ietf-pce-association-group] as the combination of the mandatory fields Association type, Association ID and Association Source in the ASSOCIATION object, that uniquely identify the association group belonging to this association. Not sure about "belonging to this association". I feel we should just stop at "....that uniquely identify the association group." Thanks, Dhruv On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 4:41 PM Dhruv Dhody wrote: > > Hi Authors, > > I did a chair's review of the I-D. Expect a separate shepherd review from > Julien. A little effort needs to be made by the authors to make this I-D > crisp. > > (1) Section 3, discussion related to SVEC feels incorrect inside a section > called 'Motivation'. Lets create a new section (I made minor changes) - > > Relationship to SVEC > > [RFC5440] defines a mechanism for the synchronization of a set of > path computation requests by using the SVEC (Synchronization VECtor) > object, that specifies the list of synchronized requests that can > either be dependent or independent. The SVEC object identify the > relationship between the set of path computation requests, identified > by 'Request-ID-number' in RP (Request Parameters) object. [RFC6007] > further clarified the use of the SVEC list for synchronized path > computations when computing dependent requests as well as described a > number of usage scenarios for SVEC lists within single-domain and > multi-domain environments. > > The SVEC object includes a Flags field that indicates the potential > dependency between the set of path computation request in a similar > way as the Flags field in the TLVs defined in this document. The > path computation request in the PCReq message MAY use both SVEC and > ASSOCIATION object to identify the related path computation request > as well as the diversity association group. The PCE MUST try to find a > path that meets both the constraints. It is possible that the > diversity requirement in the association group is different from the one > in SVEC object. The PCE would consider both the objects as per the > processing rules and aim to find a path that meets both these constraints. > In case no such path is possible (or the constraints are incompatible), > the PCE MUST send a path computation reply (PCRep) with NO-PATH object > indicating path computation failure as per [RFC5440]. > > (2) Section 3, I am not sure about this - > > Using the disjoint-group within a PCEP messages may have two purpose: > > o Information: in case the PCE is performing the path computation, > it may communicate to the PCC the disjoint parameters. > > o Configuration: in case the PCC are configured with disjoint > requirements, these are communicated to the PCE. > > This feels incomplete as it singles out information from PCE to PCC and > configuration at PCC. Maybe better to re-word along our TLVs - where the > disjoint status is included by PCE but configuration is included by both. > > (3) Section 4.1, > But a PCE may be limited > in how many LSPs it can take into account when computing > disjointness. If a PCE receives more LSPs in the group than it can > handle in its computation algorithm, it SHOULD apply disjointness > computation to only a subset of LSPs in the group. The subset of > disjoint LSPs will be decided by PCE as a local matter. > > You then say > > Local polices on the PCC or PCE MAY define the computational behavior > for the other LSPs in the group. For example, the PCE may provide no > path, a shortest path, or a constrained path based on relaxing > disjointness, etc. > > Better to merge the above with the previous paragraph and also include some > text on the disjoint status information. > > (4) Section 4.2, > > * P (Shortest path) bit: when set, this indicates that the > computed path of the LSP SHOULD satisfies all constraints and > objective functions first without considering the diversity > constraint. This means that an LSP with P flag set should be > placed as if the disjointness constraint has not been > configured, while the other LSP in the association with P flag > unset should be placed by taking into account the disjointness > constraint. Setting P flag changes the relationship between > LSPs to a unidirectional relationship (LSP 1 with P=0 depends > of LSP 2 with P=1, but LSP 2 with P=1 does not depend of LSP 1 > with P=0). > > Instead of unidirectional, maybe one-sided relationship? > > It will be better to include this text from section 4.4 here instead - > > Multiple LSPs in the same disjoint group may have the P-flag set. In > such a case, those LSPs may not be disjoint from each other but will > be disjoint from others LSPs in the group that have the P-flag unset. > > Also, add "Unassigned bits MUST be set to 0 on transmission and MUST be > ignored on receipt." > > (5) Section 4.2, are all flags valid in DISJOINTNESS-STATUS-TLV? What does 'P' > and 'T' mean here? > > (6) Section 4.3, it would be good to limit the OF-Codes allowed inside the > disjoint association to the new OF code defined in this document. Add an error > in case some other OF code is used. > > (7) Section 4.4, we should remove 'both' as we lack this in PCEP-SR right now. > > An implementation may choose one > of the paths or even use both (using both may happen in case Segment > Routing TE is used, allowing ECMP). > > (8) Why 'MAY' in - > > When P-flag is set for an LSP and when ECMPs are available, an > implementation MAY select a path that allows disjointness. > > It should be MUST or SHOULD. > Can you do a check on RFC2119 keywords through out the I-D? > > (9) The IANA considerations section needs some more work. The request to > IANA are not spelled out clearly, please review this section. > > (10) The manageability considerations needs some meat. Top of my head - > reference to Yang, Operator configured range for disjoint group, number of > LSPs inside an association group etc. > > Nits > ---- > - Expand on 1st use - PCRpt, PCUpd, PCInitiate, PLSP-ID... > > - Section 1, > OLD > [I-D.ietf-pce-association-group] introduces a generic mechanism to > create a grouping of LSPs which can then be used to define > associations between a set of LSPs and a set of attributes (such as > configuration parameters or behaviors) and is equally applicable to > the active and passive modes of a stateful PCE [RFC8231] or a > stateless PCE [RFC5440]. > NEW > [I-D.ietf-pce-association-group] introduces a generic mechanism to > create a grouping of LSPs in the context of a PCE which can then be > used to define associations between a set of LSPs or between a set of > LSPs and a set of attributes (such as configuration parameters or > behaviour), and is equally applicable to the stateful PCE [RFC8231] > (active and passive modes) as well as the stateless PCE [RFC5440]. > END > > -Section 2, the term LSR is not used. We could expand this section to point > to some other useful terms, just by adding reference to where they are > defined. > > - Section 4.1 > OLD: > The Association parameters, as described in > [I-D.ietf-pce-association-group] as the combination of the mandatory > fields Association type, Association ID and Association Source in the > ASSOCIATION object, that uniquely identify the association group, > uniquely identify the disjoint group. > NEW: > The Association parameters (as described in > [I-D.ietf-pce-association-group]) is the combination of the mandatory > fields Association type, Association ID and Association Source in the > ASSOCIATION object, that uniquely identify the association group. > END > s/to uniquely identifying/to uniquely identify/ > s/belonging to this associations/belonging to this association/ > s/insurance/assurance/ > > - Section 4.2 > s/relaxing disjointness constraint at all > /relaxing disjointness constraint fully/ > add OF-List TLV (as per Section 4.3) into the list of TLVs > > -Section 4.4 > In figure 3, it would be good to say the cost of other links is 1? > s/allowed to be longer/allowed to be costlier/ > What is RTD? Is it round trip delay? Better to use Path delay metric as per > RFC8233 . > OLD: > Driving the PCE disjointness computation may be done in other ways by > for instance setting a metric boundary reflecting an RTD boundary. > NEW: > Driving the PCE disjointness computation may be done in other ways, > for instance by setting a path delay metric boundary. > END > > -Section 4.5 > OLD: > All LSPs in a particular disjoint group MUST use the same combination > of T,S,N,L flags in the DISJOINTNESS-CONFIGURATION-TLV. If a PCE > receives PCRpt messages for LSPs belonging to the same disjoint group > but having an inconsistent combination of T,S,N,L flags, the PCE > SHOULD NOT try to compute disjointness path and SHOULD reply a PCErr > with Error-type 26 (Association Error) and Error-Value 6 (Association > information mismatch) to all PCCs involved in the disjoint group. > NEW: > All LSPs in a particular disjoint group MUST use the same combination > of T,S,N,L flags in the DISJOINTNESS-CONFIGURATION-TLV. If a PCEP peer > receives a PCEP message for LSPs belonging to the same disjoint group > but having an inconsistent combination of T,S,N,L flags, the PCEP peer > SHOULD NOT try to add the LSP in the disjoint group and SHOULD reply with > a PCErr with Error-type 26 (Association Error) and Error-Value 6 (Association > information mismatch). > END > The change is suggested to make this more generic and not just for the PCRpt > message. > > - Section 6, use [This.I-D] > > Thanks! > Dhruv From nobody Tue Jun 4 08:51:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30DB120043; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:51:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n1UVYu-lnIE6; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it1-x141.google.com (mail-it1-x141.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::141]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1009F120025; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it1-x141.google.com with SMTP id h9so918401itk.3; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 08:51:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gI5rtyxJMjTTOsO4owQnGrE5+iXChGj/mE1bsM+uglc=; b=s/qq6BY9gSeo9Yj9cuN7kFVPZz+I2rvRteuGmSllWqlE1F/17Y+rTlXz74v54jCviw S4rYe/4bReKy5bv+0xE9waIkRpvrYNIgi/42Se+hB4S8Zc4l2U+ogc5HTmq7jr7YL2od V5n8jMy05T2c6GCtf82egz9/Wu98MBJ1Tui0VgtP2SjPD/XwpCnOXL3tIZcV8b2TsCOL aySl6Ax/zT+BIrWHaa6lapWNYEDXa4FZJbAo9Ma5ONrEXUU0/xQ4iHfxuT4F50DBsqcp Yt1dMqjiZTt7MQH0ppYmp09j3zVrwfOL5QH+6fyJgBRsI54uXqeN2fYIg+PJlHySSKKM JFhA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gI5rtyxJMjTTOsO4owQnGrE5+iXChGj/mE1bsM+uglc=; b=RC2d0U1ryJGtVYa47CbN9zV4G5/k/eBMlxhgob3BKiWmTL+M9BHfp48frYosZcqmFV 4U2kQORNy/E79//4k90JvH6Yg1mx9D+BxeCuQdR1uMJ4p5UF6j/VrogmVXMQmWGUDxMS GSeJBJGCLYz8W2fn8qWG5TbeuAB2MvAa8tkwOinPHDJO9BlHxMhZ0StU8NCe64/sPZP6 xMvlgkmZbgK6rNQNIWFkcndZXoHJLY4wGU+JQJ3rTcGy0bWQKpXNZHXglcWt4VzWFz4+ tVIg81nnIwIBJ1EWxyG67S4owQHB2Nos6OiYXfb24WR1TChbgG7L+/ia2HUCTaR96Ou4 c5dg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUL7wCcS723EDtErd/TwwbdrgTmft26MtzTfFYhefDtJZDALWJp sVkydA0fwMnpGXUA+qQgNIQMSbnDantS6VEJHdMv0aRz X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzHXz+gC4zETND7//epVcob6k2Z6mfo9FFBnXPCXGwNLeLDMMgj41/+i/yBP1/CuoetIym2O0RgwyzQ9mg8BQY= X-Received: by 2002:a24:5a06:: with SMTP id v6mr8071282ita.160.1559663461708; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 21:20:24 +0530 Message-ID: To: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Chair review of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 15:51:06 -0000 Hi Mahendra, Thanks for making the update (-05). I see a few non-blocking issues that can handled later. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection-05 (1) You added - [RFC8051] describes applicability of Path protection in PCE deployment. I suggest change this to - [RFC8051] describes applicability of path protection for stateful PCE deployments. (2) Add a space between "Report" and "(" in "Report(PCRpt) message", similarly for "Report(PCRpt) message" and "Initiate(PCInitiate) message" (3) Number of authors is still an issue that needs to be handled, either by reducing the number of co-authors or providing a justification. Please do so before we ship this out of the WG. Thanks for handling my other comments. Thanks, Dhruv On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 4:41 PM Dhruv Dhody wrote: > > Hi Authors, > > I did a chair's review of the I-D. Expect a separate shepherd review from > Julien. I found minor issues that can be easily fixed. > > (1) The issue with number of authors on the front page is bound to come up, > either provide valid justification to your shepherd or reduce to 5. > > (2) Add reference to RFC8051 in introduction, which had a section on > protection. > > (3) It would be good to explicitly state that in PCE-initiated LSPs case, the > association group is created by PCE. > > (4) Section 4.1. > > OLD: > During state synchronization, a PCC MUST report all the existing path > protection association groups as well as any path protection flags to > PCE(s) as per [I-D.ietf-pce-association-group]. > NEW: > During state synchronization, a PCC report all the existing LSP state as > described in [RFC8231], the the association group membership pertaining to > a LSP is also reported as per [I-D.ietf-pce-association-group]. This > includes PPAG. > END > > Nits > ---- > s/Path Computation Element Protocol (PCEP)/Path Computation Element > communication Protocol (PCEP)/ > s/between one a pair of PCEs/between a pair of PCEs/ > s/Stateful pce/Stateful PCE/ > s/Path Protection Association Object Type/Path Protection Association Type/ > s/[A|a]ssociation-type/Association type/ > Section 4.4, extra "." at the end. > Section 4.5, closing braces missing, end of 2nd paragraph. > Expand on 1st use - PCRpt, PCUpd, PCInitiate... > > Regards, > Dhruv From nobody Tue Jun 4 08:55:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B322F12009E; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:55:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SMz66CUugZDn; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd2c.google.com (mail-io1-xd2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DDBC120043; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2c.google.com with SMTP id s7so10368136iob.11; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 08:55:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/lDu/XFWwcXkaJP8lh+dp60hekGLBF/e/MC08cEj9kI=; b=FrvTIusFP14JeaubjRKQJHd5c14Dz0K5jph+g8Xz8K4AW15AutosZojEtJpKDzgkTg 04eBNawwG3Xxo8OqsjWqPLZdyZpLTqzJEKHL+riPTqDYMys5dbZJfhGHZ5GuL+3saoQd SNNZWceeEhPxyhHf2glnxdLdL/U810/h5XlVp65y8z2RNse7anwA/oc7RFoSXSNx8lkf ISf3sQgfjzb8KJbOyvDBr5Rf1O8kZXiKppiPDqVA/wn4Z4Xxsq4n0REfu76vJtJQ+LCw ZGJgPQg1aH1JwxYEaOIEv6tVl2pfJAVCuU0iN8t4isT0geWqx172Hk2IqLrLAM3DBFn1 7Amg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/lDu/XFWwcXkaJP8lh+dp60hekGLBF/e/MC08cEj9kI=; b=AZRGbcPpPxVpW8gpVYyi/ac9W0RC/n/9yz0WODbxW0jsGo+09Urj0ko/ZL5BbIsRub 0noiIduZy6ChtTogk0DRWH+XSSH6GcTvmK7pFLtsmreVY8FfFenFh9lJ7H/0K9Ig3raU w9Uumw86AIU2SAqvyfFwBR8lgvDy/xhVQDgadrlwUARrNajJgE1BaP31gelpPlSqIjvm wFAR51N71HG5vRjeyLkDjOBm7gWBGT68Xy84bA+Dv85V/+NcSBwuLhJl9jI3J1mog2PB bWQcbGEt4OBggp5gNSPbkWav3fixoAqwUqmuUfOMySjmDSp0tLYK4peNiw/BXzgqFrMf hwTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUt9EBrl6ZL9HI7u92nPVYCY9NdkO6oxnvna62ODeTiFCg1u4ka ahXUABOSlSX9dp+42QqYT9Lmoi4vkCDtcR1ONaO4JJQp X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyxV+FGLcgjkBK/6bMeYJy6cGOGyxklzmuAPdOCs9LBq42YnZEdsraN9JS1vK6r0IVKjVkdw1jKRdNIXpB5yrY= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:890d:: with SMTP id b13mr17193170ion.124.1559663711423; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 08:55:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 21:24:35 +0530 Message-ID: To: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request@ietf.org Cc: pce-chairs , pce@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] WG LC prep for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 15:55:34 -0000 Hi, Thanks for the posting the update (-04) with the Implementation Status. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04#section-5 I see the number of co-authors is not resolved, but that's okay, just do so before we ship the document out of the WG. We will start the WG LC and IPR poll shortly. Thanks, Dhruv On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:24 PM Dhruv Dhody wrote: > > Hi Authors, > > In preparation for WG LC for this I-D, please update the document to > include the 'Implementation Status' Section as per the new > implementation policy [1]. > > You also have 7 authors, we usually limit to 5 on front page and rest > as contributors [2]. > > Hari is assigned as the document shepherd for this I-D. > > There are no IPR declared on this I-D. We will start the IPR poll > along with WGLC to reconfirm. > > Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions/concerns. > > -- > > Hi WG, > > You don't have to wait for the official WGLC, add this I-D in your > review queue and please provide comments! > > Thanks! > Dhruv, Julien & Adrian > > [1] "All WG I-Ds are required to include an 'Implementation Status' > Section (as per RFC7942) to document known existing or planned > implementations. The chairs can make exceptions on a per-document > basis." > [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7322#section-4.1.1 From nobody Tue Jun 4 09:26:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D476E120142; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 09:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hDHxjCcx9GiN; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 09:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it1-x130.google.com (mail-it1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6129120100; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 09:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it1-x130.google.com with SMTP id a186so1131311itg.0; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 09:26:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=a3Aj6f1CfgxtMm/qf518ZBSaC33hZHhInSIvnk12Hs8=; b=qBJpbmfuDGT3FoEe05IUHj8uDnl17uXHALXhYTo7/mUXrNXo2cZ01TkmbXVlHV6Wn1 QfeFfEHSKxJSLNF0oaUcMl6Vqqf8z7kYyfKXhMw/JG8mXn//1CHsmvkGMfDZiqToIJpt ZGZNnunfNQ54BrPR5GI10xbTUtjg+v7PFXdylLNrlVOYeRjBfo2EXbElel5aW0gfzxqT BspftfqPSSls4Ra9gqWoeGYHUT6NLZqnEO0SQTAyA4zHPiY6tI30e7/15jYygXtS7nU8 cBF6lR1lxir/pe9NQNHixvvKofcUKT7VlwJoaLNfRsV1FnK91yjNVwms5M7oegIVQLCy HJcg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=a3Aj6f1CfgxtMm/qf518ZBSaC33hZHhInSIvnk12Hs8=; b=ftn6unxgaMHFYxEIIUsrIDYIQX/FAUTS2Oas3t4U0kxXrKX2/CYyDBO9xd29oLuChM Ol1pD0UKZwka76f3bQkjx+BcSiu07nzTrkB6B+hJWFY0mufVV9uprjfC16JPxRmAu5ND 8jb+G+PgTZzn3Dz60BvqWliiCTrEFnFxMRxMTAQC7ooIv0qMJw3jqBL/rlS5mZxDyC3a KTucMym/oYumiFEJfovYDqGbazA6l/rqrebvkGIuNFwblfpzTpDb1Akzg+K1Cbme4yRB SmXt4io83INa7ek+Ikwub1pHVcxh1W0vXD88J4ZtjYIosUu/DYPr2jTPD7fV+pJgg/1B Xesw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXXGWpafn4ExkX5ltvn+/CHlfpnJ43yeSCB6nBejvkz5iP0PZnO /ez9YoSsbzOWwfbGjP40I5zi9QyawD/Y+AT1SMONmppE X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwVRaR4UzOxhOy6jeemsVWdiO7YTTdFzDwXSyDsN8idKiUa6s7KIFMUPQ1EvCyweJQ4M1TrjJOu2fj3uzbXkd8= X-Received: by 2002:a24:ce41:: with SMTP id v62mr15995345itg.96.1559665598719; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 09:26:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 21:56:02 +0530 Message-ID: To: pce@ietf.org Cc: Hariharan Ananthakrishnan , draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 16:26:46 -0000 Hi WG, This email starts a working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04. The WG LC will run for 2 weeks, till 19th June 2019. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ Please indicate your support or concern for this draft. If you are opposed to the progression of the draft, please articulate your concern. If you support, please indicate that you have read the latest version and it is ready for publication. Further, explaining the importance of the work in your opinion is appreciated. As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. Silence on the list, not so much :) Thanks, Dhruv, Julien, & Adrian From nobody Tue Jun 4 17:56:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C8D120048 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 17:56:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=netflix.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ThPdxgp6runX for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 17:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk1-xa34.google.com (mail-vk1-xa34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24CDC1200FB for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2019 17:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk1-xa34.google.com with SMTP id r23so3939120vkd.12 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 17:56:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netflix.com; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bWSdSN55Jq2jymhvOBPZj2g+w1lml01W3v8olAs4p0g=; b=LM4sYcpaK+JQnuoTbTiJwAphLc08UCBzDVNopxITGBNX4m17MMSHMLH0tsa9ftaLoP mKKpWm9UHgXh64zPMcOxSW9R4nHdSFNtvDs/TS4dcATVZBNP10elxqe/7tlsRS1q/nEE OSRQ3fo2Mz+5nw8FZnM/spgaIo3wOpVb9SE6I= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bWSdSN55Jq2jymhvOBPZj2g+w1lml01W3v8olAs4p0g=; b=Y/+/u8ht2/W/AIjjjnrZENtw2bk3+YecMHOl0tMyH/FKn3eb92tk6iHtRTF1/Fi/Xw oPq6ey2mVIK2+UJ0KSbQFYFbAyUX7tWt285vJPuZGTk+o5HPclGnDooF5ofjj9r+o+Bv TAXFjFKY74g1+ggxY7ige2CibBMfAlyQ1Ii66sNUER++n0XOp2VHbya5+O/NB/g2EtFN X8VQ0caWUTpF6Ugivk6yskhYhp6lt8A+Ucz9zyW8Ma2Gg8TYtLLN9VSgd9Edkz0vl+2p /WxZK9eYcd2JQVgN2ZgN93+b6sgqH8wkt+kFAd0XGsxevL5KYHqYjgjd+8ay3ZCRdt3M wVcA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV0BVTv7WOlRZOGdc55sMfSI8WagAWN6BXJjbg8UOnzJETtScaX BCPWZSHvsay/xBaLJ24JTXsOQSupZLjOt3REgB5nug== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwQgEo4glzhyFDw14aZjYmQ05IKCs2GUqhhDGT96pMA1c6cGdjiTXkokxI2Neph4RDZJ7PGlUv7Yqy0cA3ZvHI= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:d445:: with SMTP id l66mr5620600vkg.12.1559696187990; Tue, 04 Jun 2019 17:56:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Hariharan Ananthakrishnan Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 17:56:17 -0700 Message-ID: To: ar2521@att.com, ag6941@att.com, cy098d@att.com, jakarthi@cisco.com, msiva@cisco.com, jdparker@cisco.com, mahendrasingh@huawei.com Cc: pce@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003e5dd7058a891195" Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] IPR poll on draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 00:56:30 -0000 --0000000000003e5dd7058a891195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Authors, In preparation for Working Group last call on this draft, I'd like all authors and contributors to confirm on the list that they are in compliance with IETF IPR rules. Please respond (copying the mailing list) to say one of: I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft that should be disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules. I am aware of IPR applicable to this draft, and it has already been disclosed to the IETF. I am aware of IPR applicable to this draft, but that has not yet been disclosed to the IETF. I will work to ensure that it will be disclosed in a timely manner. Thanks, - Hari --0000000000003e5dd7058a891195 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
Hi Authors,

In preparation for Working Group last call on this draft, I'd like all
authors and contributors to confirm on the list that they are in compliance
with IETF IPR rules.

Please respond (copying the mailing list) to say one of:

I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft that should be disclosed
in accordance with IETF IPR rules.

I am aware of IPR applicable to this draft, and it has already been
disclosed to the IETF.

I am aware of IPR applicable to this draft, but that has not yet been
disclosed to the IETF. I will work to ensure that it will be disclosed in a
timely manner.

Thanks,
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[94.43.130.14]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 16sm14879082wmx.45.2019.06.04.22.37.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Jun 2019 22:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Jeff Tantsura X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16F203) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 09:37:30 +0400 Cc: pce@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1BEF3D26-DF6E-4A6F-AB3F-3CAD410BF961@gmail.com> References: To: Dhruv Dhody Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 05:37:35 -0000 Yes/support Regards, Jeff > On Jun 4, 2019, at 20:26, Dhruv Dhody wrote: >=20 > Hi WG, >=20 > This email starts a working group last call for > draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04. The WG LC will run for 2 weeks, til= l > 19th June 2019. >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ >=20 > Please indicate your support or concern for this draft. >=20 > If you are opposed to the progression of the draft, please articulate your= > concern. >=20 > If you support, please indicate that you have read the latest version and > it is ready for publication. Further, explaining the importance of the wor= k in > your opinion is appreciated. >=20 > As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. Silence on the list,= not > so much :) >=20 > Thanks, > Dhruv, Julien, & Adrian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Wed Jun 5 12:56:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64CB12024D; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 12:55:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability@ietf.org, Jonathan Hardwick , pce-chairs@ietf.org, jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com, pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= Message-ID: <155976455067.22335.17934018343922718144.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 12:55:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_Abstain_on_draft-ietf-p?= =?utf-8?q?ce-inter-area-as-applicability-07=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 19:55:52 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability-07: Abstain When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I only had a quick read of this document, however, the actual value of archiving this document in the RFC series is not clear to me. This document rather seems to a be high-level summary of various other RFCs than an applicability statement. Also the shepherd write-up indicates that there was very little review of this document which seems also concerning. 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Regards, Satish. On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:56 PM Dhruv Dhody wrote: > Hi WG, > > This email starts a working group last call for > draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04. The WG LC will run for 2 weeks, till > 19th June 2019. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ > > Please indicate your support or concern for this draft. > > If you are opposed to the progression of the draft, please articulate your > concern. > > If you support, please indicate that you have read the latest version and > it is ready for publication. Further, explaining the importance of the > work in > your opinion is appreciated. > > As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. Silence on the list, > not > so much :) > > Thanks, > Dhruv, Julien, & Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > --000000000000b74633058aa24d37 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes / Support.

Regards,
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Satish.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:56 PM Dhruv Dhody <<= a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com">dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
Hi WG,

This email starts a working group last call for
draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04. The WG LC will run for 2 weeks, till=
19th June 2019.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/

Please indicate your support or concern for this draft.

If you are opposed to the progression of the draft, please articulate your<= br> concern.

If you support, please indicate that you have read the latest version and it is ready for publication. Further, explaining the importance of the work= in
your opinion is appreciated.

As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. Silence on the list, = not
so much :)

Thanks,
Dhruv, Julien, & Adrian

_______________________________________________
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To summarize, I mainly have 2 issues to point out: - The I-D depends on RFC 4872 and reuses the P, S and PT flags (which is great); however, the side effect of redefining (why?) the expansion of the S bit (Standby vs. Secondary) leads to a common behavior with an opposite flag value between the specifications! As suggested by the reference in section 3.2., we expect alignment here. - In sections 4.5 and 6.3, the Error-Type for associations has shifted from 26 (early allocated by IANA) to 29 (from nowhere); this mistake makes me wonder about the implementation status of the I-D. Then, looking at the details. ------ Header --- - As pointed out by Dhruv, we still miss a valid justification for the 7 names listed on the front page, all the more as you exceed the recommended threshold by 2. ------ Abstract --- - s/A stateful Path Computation Element/An active stateful Path Computation Element/ - s/for a stateful PCE/for an active stateful PCE/ ------ 1. Introduction --- - s/the PCE Initiated mode/the PCE-Initiated mode/ ------ 3. PCEP Extensions --- - s/[I-D.ietf-pce-association-group] specify/[I-D.ietf-pce-association-group] specifies/ - s/The length field is 16 bit-long and has/The length field (16 bits) has/ - s/Following flags are currently defined -/The following flags are currently defined:/ - s/Following values are/The following values are/ - s/i.e. P bit is unset/i.e. as if P bit is unset/ ------ 4. Operation --- - s/[RFC8231], the the association group/[RFC8231]. The association group/ - s/to a LSP/to an LSP/ - s/includes PPAG./includes PPAGs./ - s/PCC Initiated/PCC-Initiated/ - s/remove on or more/remove one or more/ - s/PCC would report/PCC reports/ - s/via Path Computation Report(PCRpt) message/via the Path Computation Report (PCRpt) message/ - s/LSPs to a stateful PCE/LSPs to an active PCE/ - s/where PCE would/where the PCE would/ - s/via Path Computation Update(PCUpd) message/via the Path Computation Update (PCUpd) message/ - s/to PCC via PCUpd message/to the PCC via the PCUpd message/ - s/refer [I-D.litkowski-pce-state-sync]/refer to [I-D.litkowski-pce-state-sync]/ - s/PCE Initiated LSPs/PCE-Initiated LSPs/ - s/both the PCE and PCC/both the PCE and the PCC/ - s/uses PCUpd or Path Computation Initiate(PCInitiate) message/uses the PCUpd or the Path Computation Initiate (PCInitiate) messages/ - s/at PCC/at the PCC/ - s/Same procedure/The same procedure/ - s/with Error-Type= 29/with Error-Type 26/ - s/and Error-Value = TBD3/and Error-Value TBD3/ - s/1:N (with N=1),/1:N with N=1,/ - s/and protection LSP/and one protection LSP - s/a PCEP Speaker/a PCEP speaker/ - s/with Error-Type=29/with Error-Type 26/ - s/and Error-Value = TBD4/and Error-Value TBD4/ - s/continue to apply/continues to apply/ ------ 5. Other considerations --- - s/Other considerations/Other Considerations/ - s/LSPs.The/LSPs. The/ - s/for the the protection LSP/for the protection LSP/ - s/both ASSOCIATION object/both ASSOCIATION objects/ - s/and disjoint association/and the disjoint association/ ------ 6. IANA considerations --- - s/IANA considerations/IANA Considerations/ - s/Action [RFC8126]. Each bit should be tracked with the following qualities:/Action [RFC8126]./  [The sentence appears twice.] - s/new Error-Type and Error-Value/new Error-Value/ - The table in section 6.3 is confusing. A way to clarify would be to say: "allocate new error values for Error-Type 26 within [...]" and change the 1st column into "Error-Value". ------ Cheers, Julien _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. 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From nobody Thu Jun 6 11:55:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0814120094; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 11:55:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pce@ietf.org Message-ID: <155984733276.1585.2101937909418303348@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 11:55:32 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-08.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 18:55:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Hierarchical Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE). Authors : Dhruv Dhody Young Lee Daniele Ceccarelli Jongyoon Shin Daniel King Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-08.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-06-06 Abstract: A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information on the current network state, including: computed Label Switched Path (LSPs), reserved resources within the network, and pending path computation requests. This information may then be considered when computing new traffic engineered LSPs, and for associated and dependent LSPs, received from Path Computation Clients (PCCs). Initialize the result of path computation from PCE is also helpful for the PCC to gracefully establish the computed LSP. The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture, provides an architecture to allow the optimum sequence of inter-connected domains to be selected, and network policy to be applied if applicable, via the use of a hierarchical relationship between PCEs. Combining the capabilities of Stateful PCE and the Hierarchical PCE would be advantageous. This document describes general considerations and use cases for the deployment of Stateful, and not Stateless, PCEs using the Hierarchical PCE architecture. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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[86.157.191.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d18sm3301654wrn.26.2019.06.06.12.01.10 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Jun 2019 12:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Daniel King X-Google-Original-Sender: "Daniel King" From: To: References: <155984733276.1585.2101937909418303348@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <155984733276.1585.2101937909418303348@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 20:01:09 +0100 Message-ID: <012c01d51c9a$34056dd0$9c104970$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQICZX298VrDBLHzBxjNww+/+UTiSqY0aArA Content-Language: en-gb Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-08.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 19:01:23 -0000 Dear PCE Working Group, Please find an updated version of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce. Updates to the I-D include: - Clarification of stateful deployment scenarios and use cases - Terminology clean-up - Reference clean-up and proper assignment into normative and informative - Cleaner procedure numbering This version also addresses review comments from Hoamian and Adrian, I will follow-up specifically in separate emails later. BR, Dan and the draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce authors. -----Original Message----- From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 06 June 2019 19:56 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-08.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Hierarchical Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE). Authors : Dhruv Dhody Young Lee Daniele Ceccarelli Jongyoon Shin Daniel King Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-08.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-06-06 Abstract: A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information on the current network state, including: computed Label Switched Path (LSPs), reserved resources within the network, and pending path computation requests. This information may then be considered when computing new traffic engineered LSPs, and for associated and dependent LSPs, received from Path Computation Clients (PCCs). Initialize the result of path computation from PCE is also helpful for the PCC to gracefully establish the computed LSP. The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture, provides an architecture to allow the optimum sequence of inter-connected domains to be selected, and network policy to be applied if applicable, via the use of a hierarchical relationship between PCEs. Combining the capabilities of Stateful PCE and the Hierarchical PCE would be advantageous. This document describes general considerations and use cases for the deployment of Stateful, and not Stateless, PCEs using the Hierarchical PCE architecture. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Fri Jun 7 04:16:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07574120086 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 04:16:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p8yuG1ghcDW1 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 04:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it1-x131.google.com (mail-it1-x131.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCD1C1200A4 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 04:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it1-x131.google.com with SMTP id x22so2115178itl.2 for ; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 04:16:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=y1lS9T1/9wJinbtsLBnj1Cas0U4oUCeqy6O9XqENz/U=; b=L+Kezs9BD7MSRyH70Sy1jc+791t2ziEK5+B6/CoQkoKX1u4c0eHGlyTdnLjkCy844l 8B/xksKV+sEnhqHeX95jRrDEGtJU+GPViyp+PvMaqpQqnKm95bB9axZewCOZINwW4DBz 5I4poJjs7QnpOzw17Pz+K5YvlBnLR/RKbxDNIlC6rjafpcLC7H8elRsBwfXdyAVnNSQc 63mLybDfjTq97/vnQZ9KJkkXG5yJXmSNDO6HOzZYx0x/pRCfvKpyR6m8MtKfjStvo6JW aqq75ag95pasumn8OolDTZ3ufQSyXCeE8B6BToJTDDd+voXHFXdP/gmRSN089d9OOgaj 0QVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=y1lS9T1/9wJinbtsLBnj1Cas0U4oUCeqy6O9XqENz/U=; b=NNPGINI8o9ar+PoXS7kNmJYhKsjtxk0ZkLrGzVMwuW1xSUAOicOL+Z3K2n6nDFgzZH b/PceqdVxitubNaYAtkr04H6Gus7gg7Ze05HA78LzIOdEZy8J3oGwRM/X3tE3qnMCKTw JI7Y+93u6XmANBibTOiu8xAncBBvzYB1xIpftJHrxbO5WJNtA+6VghMSgl5YUmdmC2vz Wv16hWz43UIBjvqwxtArkxwG5sypMwlwYWMi8GvRQsYewofnyGGS7wr7x0vjtODfge/l FAkX++n7MEIPAogzVFwlhnX4ZLi3TwXc8wsMx3SB4HGsmmex7FKs5+by3f7Xh6DtR1az kJvw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWBZkJB5EOL4aZdcnsONLXMGSog0Q3KKaT+56m2uV7g/lI/tyFA f10jgX9MLMerI63dhK/1Vt5N70Y1n0Y/dlQQr+g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqze5fkagEamZ3gbq9ZTL017wTYEjtOyfy9OAgXotdGfi6Sokhbq7afo+p8GnRz+jhzTMPynRpB2C81A9kLP2Mw= X-Received: by 2002:a24:ce41:: with SMTP id v62mr3851259itg.96.1559906179949; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 04:16:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <058701d517c5$15653c90$402fb5b0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 16:45:43 +0530 Message-ID: To: "Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept)" Cc: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "pce@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBQQ0VQIEVuaGFuY2VkIEVycm9ycw==?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 11:16:24 -0000 Hi Haomian, WG, Note that, this guideline should be for any 'future' draft, since this upda= te would have to use [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] as a normative reference (= as they will be providing details of Error-criticality and Propagation etc). For any 'mature' draft it is better to use [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] as informative reference with details of error handling added into [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] itself (as already done for some drafts). Thus my suggestion would be to say - Error and Notification handling as per [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] shoul= d be considered in PCE documents that include multi-PCE interactions. A requirement for the editors of these drafts is to evaluate the applicabilit= y of the procedure in [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] and provide details abou= t the "Error-criticality" TLV and "Propagation" TLV for errors and notificati= ons defined in the draft. Examples of this can be found in section 5.4.3 of [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors]. Thoughts? Thanks! Dhruv On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 3:38 PM Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) wrote: > > Hi, Dhruv, WG, > > I think the following text would be helpful as the guideline. > > ------ guideline text starts --------- > Error handling should be considered in any multi-PCE drafts. A requiremen= t for the editors of these drafts is to evaluate what error types between P= CE may occur in the specified scenarios in the draft and whether new error = types need to be extended. It is also requested to check the applicability = of the procedures specified in draft-ietf-pce-enhanced-errors to both the e= xisting and the extending error types. For PCE protocol extension who gives= new error types, it is requested to provide description on the applicabili= ty of "Propagation" TLV and "Error-criticality" TLV. > ------ guideline text ends --------- > > Any comments or rephrasing would be more than welcome, thank you. > > Best wishes, > Haomian > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Dhruv Dhody [mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 1= 3:28 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technolo= gy Research Dept) > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: adrian@olddog.co.uk; pce@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Pce] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: PCEP Enhanced Errors > > Hi Haomian, > > Lets come up with the guidelines (and get the agreement on the mailing > list) first! > Then, lets take one of the I-D as example and work with the authors to in= corporate the guidelines. > > We can worry about how to add guidelines to the wiki later. We can also a= dd the guidelines in your draft itself. > > Thanks! > Dhruv > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 7:20 AM Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Techno= logy Research Dept) wrote: > > > > Hi, Adrian, WGs, > > > > Thank you for bringing the issue to the list, I think we agreed the dir= ection you mentioned 'no haste but keep moving' in Prague. We would definit= ely like to provide some text as guideline for other documents, either in t= he draft or on the wiki page, or both. Personally I need to understand the = context in the wiki page before doing that. Do the chairs want to see a sep= arate paragraph talking about the error handling? Or we put the text togeth= er with other sections like 'implement policy'? > > > > We can move on providing text once we can agree on how to manage, thank= you. > > > > Best wishes, > > Haomian (as one of the co-authors) > > > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 Adrian Farrel > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=8831=E6=97= =A5 23:25 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: pce@ietf.org > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Pce] PCEP Enhanced Errors > > > > Hi, > > > > In Prague we had a discussion of draft-ietf-pce-enhanced-errors. > > > > My recollection is that we decided that there was no great hurry to pus= h this document to completion, but that we didn't want to abandon it. > > > > Checking back with the minutes, there was an objective that we encourag= e authors of other documents to adhere to the error behaviours described in= this document. We do this possibly by putting text on a wiki page, but fir= st by discussing the guidelines on the mailing list. Looks like we were par= ticularly interested in the behaviours when there are multiple PCEs present= . > > > > We also discussed the possibilities for encouraging an "Error Handling" > > section in all our drafts, or at least for a section on "Error Handling= in Multi-PCE Scenarios" when applicable. > > > > Would the authors of draft-ietf-pce-enhanced-errors like to take the le= ad on this? > > > > Thanks, > > Adrian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pce mailing list > > Pce@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > > _______________________________________________ > > Pce mailing list > > Pce@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Sat Jun 8 06:56:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10F0120033 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2019 06:56:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com 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internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pce@ietf.org Message-ID: <156016674731.10569.10989032605156122660@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 04:39:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-09.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:39:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Hierarchical Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE). Authors : Dhruv Dhody Young Lee Daniele Ceccarelli Jongyoon Shin Daniel King Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-09.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-06-10 Abstract: A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information on the current network state, including: computed Label Switched Path (LSPs), reserved resources within the network, and pending path computation requests. This information may then be considered when computing new traffic engineered LSPs, and for associated and dependent LSPs, received from Path Computation Clients (PCCs). The Path computation response from a PCE is helpful for the PCC to gracefully establish the computed LSP. The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture, provides an architecture to allow the optimum sequence of inter-connected domains to be selected, and network policy to be applied if applicable, via the use of a hierarchical relationship between PCEs. Combining the capabilities of Stateful PCE and the Hierarchical PCE would be advantageous. This document describes general considerations and use cases for the deployment of Stateful, and not Stateless, PCEs using the Hierarchical PCE architecture. 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[86.157.191.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o11sm6680679wmh.37.2019.06.10.04.58.40 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Jun 2019 04:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Daniel King X-Google-Original-Sender: "Daniel King" From: To: References: <156016674731.10569.10989032605156122660@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <156016674731.10569.10989032605156122660@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:58:39 +0100 Message-ID: <00d101d51f83$d7b1fac0$8715f040$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHF8litA7OfiTDvEVADPUO/Mkur8aazIoDg Content-Language: en-gb Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-09.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:58:47 -0000 Hi All, A new version updating author email addresses and catching a couple of NITS. BR, Dan. -----Original Message----- From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 10 June 2019 12:39 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-09.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Hierarchical Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE). Authors : Dhruv Dhody Young Lee Daniele Ceccarelli Jongyoon Shin Daniel King Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-09.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-06-10 Abstract: A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information on the current network state, including: computed Label Switched Path (LSPs), reserved resources within the network, and pending path computation requests. This information may then be considered when computing new traffic engineered LSPs, and for associated and dependent LSPs, received from Path Computation Clients (PCCs). The Path computation response from a PCE is helpful for the PCC to gracefully establish the computed LSP. The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture, provides an architecture to allow the optimum sequence of inter-connected domains to be selected, and network policy to be applied if applicable, via the use of a hierarchical relationship between PCEs. Combining the capabilities of Stateful PCE and the Hierarchical PCE would be advantageous. This document describes general considerations and use cases for the deployment of Stateful, and not Stateless, PCEs using the Hierarchical PCE architecture. 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[86.157.191.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o14sm9347881wrp.77.2019.06.10.05.11.03 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Jun 2019 05:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Daniel King X-Google-Original-Sender: "Daniel King" From: To: "'Zhenghaomian \(Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept\)'" Cc: References: <02a601d4d9e8$4def3770$e9cda650$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 13:11:02 +0100 Message-ID: <00d201d51f85$92a86ac0$b7f94040$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGgU2j2MB/zQHkMewo2mPRLdGQ0qQLOEwR5pufzfuA= Content-Language: en-gb Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgV29ya2luZyBHcm91cCBsYXN0IGNhbGwgb24g?= =?utf-8?q?draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-06?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:11:10 -0000 Hi Haomian,=20 Thank you again for the review and suggestions. We believe we have = addressed your comments.=20 BR, Dan.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Pce On Behalf Of Zhenghaomian = (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) Sent: 01 April 2019 08:39 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Working Group last call on = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-06 Hi, WG,=20 I have read this document and believe this work is very useful. Stateful = H-PCE will enable a more efficient way to do the computation with a = group of PCEs. The document is in a good shape as well.=20 I support to move forward on this document, some minor comments are = provided to be fixed after the LC:=20 - The page number in ToC is not consistent, maybe an update on word = would be needed;=20 - PCEP stateful extension in RFC8231, and PCEP initiation extension in = RFC8281, are usually considered as two separate works. Given the fact we = have merged the gmpls extension with two features, it is reasonable to = have these two features in the h-pce work as well. I noticed there is = corresponding descriptions in section 3.3, and I think it would be = useful if one sentence can be summarized in the abstract.=20 OLD:=20 A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information on the current network state, including: computed Label Switched Path (LSPs), reserved resources within the network, and pending path computation requests. This information may then be considered when computing new traffic engineered LSPs, and for associated and dependent LSPs, received from Path Computation Clients (PCCs). NEW: A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information on the current network state, including: computed Label Switched Path (LSPs), reserved resources within the network, and pending path computation requests. This information may then be considered when computing new traffic engineered LSPs, and for associated and dependent LSPs, received from Path Computation Clients (PCCs).=20 Initialize the result of path computation from PCE is also helpful = for=20 the PCC to gracefully establish the computed LSP.=20 - As mentioned in IETF 104 PCE WG session = (draft-ietf-pce-enhanced-errors), error handling issues need to be = mentioned for inter-pce works, and this work exactly fits into the = scope. It is suggested to add one small section about this. How about = the following?=20 7.7. Error Handling between PCEs Error types specified in PCEP should be properly propagate between = parent and child PCEs. The propagation, notification and criticality = level defined in [I-D. ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] are recommended.=20 - The idnits report an unused reference 'pcep-yang', probably because of = the line in section 7.2 for citation is not properly broken in the = middle. Editing will be helpful to fix it.=20 We are looking forward to see the improvement after the WG LC, thank = you.=20 Best wishes, Haomian -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Adrian Farrel =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8814=E6=97=A5 = 6:01 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: pce@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Pce] Working Group last call on = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-06 Hi working group, This email starts a working group last call for = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-06. I would like to hear messages of support or concern about this draft. If you support its progression towards publication as an RFC, please let = us know that you have read the latest revision, and explain why you = think the work is important. Indications of implementation would also be = welcome - although this document is informational, I believe some people = may have built stateful hierarchical PCEs for experimentation or = deployment. If you are opposed to the progression or have concerns please articulate = them. As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. Because of the effort that is going in to preparing for IETF-104 and = because of the time spent away, this last call will run for three weeks = and end on April 4th. 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The authors believe we have addressed all the open issue with the last two revisions of the I-D. If you would be so kind as to scan through the changes it would be very much appreciated. Please also find a number of comments inline below (DK>>). BR, Dan. -----Original Message----- From: Pce On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: 25 March 2019 16:32 To: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Review of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce Hi, Good afternoon. My name is Adrian and I'll be your Document Shepherd for this journey. As this draft is progressing through working group last call, I thought I would do my review now and save a little time later. These comments may seem a little negative, but I hope you can address them with small changes. Thanks, Adrian === Abstract s/deployment of Stateful PCE(s)/deployment of Stateful PCEs/ DK>> Done --- Section 1 para 1 needs a reference to 5440 DK>> Done --- 1. s/for stateful PCE(s) in/for stateful PCEs in the/ DK>> Done --- 1. The initial section of the document focuses on end to end (E2E) inter-domain TE LSP. Section 3.3.1 describe the operations for the Per Domain LSP that could be stitched. Maybe... Sections 3.1 and 3.2 focus on end to end (E2E) inter-domain TE LSPa. Section 3.3.1 describes the operations for stitching Per Domain LSPs. DK>> Done --- I am not certain that you need to use upper case terms in this document. I found "SHOULD" in sections 6 and 7.2, and "MAY" twice in seciton 3.1 and once in section 3.3.1. Also "RECOMMENDED" in section 6. Is this really appropriate in a document that is describing an approach, not specifying bits on the wire or implementation behavior? That would allow you to dispose of section 1.1 and the two references. DK>> Done --- Section 3 While the terms PE and CE are defined and used unambiguously, I suspect that they will cause some confusion because they are such well known terms in networking. DK>> Done. We now use C-PCE towards P-PCE (EC-EP) or from a P-PCE towards C-PCE (EP-EC). --- 3. All PCE types herein (i.e., PE or CE) are assumed to be 'stateful PCE'. Is it not plausible to have a stateless C-PCE working with a stateful P-PCE? I think that the relationship of child to parent is similar to the relationship of PCC to PCE, but when we talk about a stateful PCE we don't also talk about a stateful PCC. So when you say that the C-PCE must be stateful, you are necessarily talking about its relationship with its PCCs. If you are determined to limit the scope of this document to PCE hierarchies where both the parent and child are stateful (you are allowed to make this choice if that's what the WG wants) then you need to make this clear in the Abstract and Introduction. DK>> Done --- Am I confused about delegation? You have... The P-PCE has no information about the content of the child domains. Clearly the C-PCE will report the path of the LSP (segment) that crosses the domain for which it is responsible, but how can the P-PCE make any change to that LSP without visibility into the child domain? But you go on to talk about delegation as if it could work: such as... LSP Control Delegation (CE-PE,PE-CE): a C-PCE grants to the P-PCE the right to update LSP attributes on one or more LSPs When you draw the similarity between PCC-PCE and C-PCE-P-PCE delegation as... Note that this hierarchy is recursive and thus a Label Switching Router (LSR), as a PCC could delegate the control to a PCE, which may delegate to its parent, which may further delegate it to its parent (if it exist or needed). Similarly update operations could also be applied recursively. .... I think that you miss that the PCC and PCE can both see the TED, but the C-PCE and P-PCE have very different visibility into the domain. DK>> Done. We clarified the text. --- 3. Just clarity... OLD [I-D.ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions] defines the H-PCE capability TLV that should be used in the OPEN message to advertise the H-PCE capability. [RFC8231] defines the stateful PCE capability TLV. The presence of both TLVs represent the support for stateful H-PCE operations as described in this document. NEW [I-D.ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions] defines the H-PCE Capability TLV that is used in the OPEN message to advertise the H-PCE capability. [RFC8231] defines the Stateful PCE Capability TLV used in the OPEN message to indicate stateful support. The presence of both TLVs in an OPEN message indicates the support for stateful H-PCE operations as described in this document. END DK>> Done. Thanks. --- 3. I feel that this paragraph is confusing. I think the referenced draft also needs some work on the terms stateful and synchronization, but we can focus on the document at hand. OLD [I-D.litkowski-pce-state-sync] describes the procedures to allow a stateful communication between PCEs for various use-cases. The procedures and extensions as described in Section 3 of [I-D.litkowski-pce-state-sync] are also applicable to Child and Parent PCE communication. The SPEAKER-IDENTITY-TLV (defined in [RFC8232]) is included in the LSP object to identify the Ingress (PCC). The PLSP-ID used in the forwarded PCRpt by the C-PCE to P-PCE is same as the original one used by the PCC. NEW [I-D.litkowski-pce-state-sync] describes the procedures to allow communication between stateful PCEs that serve the same domain. The procedures and extensions as described in Section 3 of [I-D.litkowski-pce-state-sync] are also applicable to Child and Parent PCE communication. The SPEAKER-IDENTITY-TLV (defined in [RFC8232]) is included in the LSP object to identify the Ingress (PCC). The PLSP-ID used in the forwarded PCRpt by the C-PCE to P-PCE is same as the original one used by the PCC. END However, this has made [I-D.litkowski-pce-state-sync] a normative reference. I suspect you don't want to go there. That will mean you need to write the normative text here (which may be a bit more of a rewrite) and simply add... Similar procedures are used in [I-D.litkowski-pce-state-sync] to synchronize state between stateful PCEs that serve the same domain. Furthermore, the term "Ingress" in unclear. You probably do not mean the ingress of the LSP, per se. You probably mean the ingress of the LSP in the domain that the C-PCE serves. You also have the term "ingress PCE" (in 3.1) which is such a useful term that you should probably call it out with a definition. DK>> Done. --- 3.1 s/applicable to PCEP session/applicable to a PCEP session/ DK>> Done. --- 3.1 OLD Taking the sample hierarchical domain topology example from [RFC6805] as the reference topology for the entirety of this document. NEW We use the sample hierarchical domain topology example from [RFC6805] as the reference topology for the entirety of this document. It is shown in Figure 1. END DK>> Done. --- 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, and 3.3.1 It is confusing to have steps 1 to 11 as per 6805 and then introduce new steps 1 to 4 in 3.1. We need to: - not confuse these with steps 1 to 4 of 6805 - understand where in the sequence the steps are preformed Furthermore, "initial" steps 1 to 8 are introduced in 3.2. Are these in place of steps 1 to 4 in 3.1 or in addition? And where in the sequence are they performed? How do they relate to steps 1 to 8 of 6805. There is some slightly better description in 3.2, but only steps 1 and 2 seem to be truly "initial". It all needs some more clarity. DK>> Done with updated text for clarity. By the time I got to 3.3.1 I really couldn't work out the steps at all. DK>> We changed the procedure numbering mechanism, it will hopefully be clearer to the reader. --- 3.2 OLD To update an LSP, a PCE send to the PCC, an LSP Update Request using a PCUpd message. NEW To update an LSP, a PCE sends an LSP Update Request to the PCC using a PCUpd message. END DK>> Done --- 3.3. PCE Initiation Operation Maybe... 3.3. PCE Initiation of LSPs DK>> Done --- 4.1 How about this for a slightly tidier figure 2? +----------+ | Parent | /| PCE | / +----------+ / / Stateful / / P-PCE / / / / Stateful+-----+ / / C-PCE | PCE |/ / Hi | Hi | / +-----+ / +---+ +---+ / +---+ +---+ + LSR +--+ LSR +........................+ LSR +--+ LSR + + H1 + + H2 + / + H3 + + H4 + +---+ +---+\ +-----+/ /+---+ +---+ \ | PCE | / \ | Lo | / Stateful \ +-----+ / C-PCE \ / Lo \+---+ +---+/ + LSR +--+ LSR + + L1 + + L2 + +---+ +---+ DK>> Excellent. Thanks. --- 4.1 You have... All procedures described in Section 3 are applicable to inter-layer path setup as well. I wonder if you want to explain that the layers are considered as separate domains. DK>> Done. --- 4.2 OLD [RFC8453] describes framework for Abstraction and Control of TE Networks (ACTN), where each Provisioning Network Controller (PNC) is equivalent to C-PCE and P-PCE is the Multi-Domain Service Coordinator (MDSC). The Per domain stitched LSP as per the Hierarchical PCE architecture described in Section 3.3.1 and Section 4.1 is well suited for ACTN. NEW [RFC8453] describes a framework for the Abstraction and Control of TE Networks (ACTN), where each Provisioning Network Controller (PNC) is equivalent to a C-PCE, and the P-PCE is the Multi-Domain Service Coordinator (MDSC). The Per Domain stitched LSP as per the Hierarchical PCE architecture described in Section 3.3.1 and Section 4.1 is well suited for ACTN. END DK>> Done. Again, thanks for text. --- 4.2 OLD In ACTN framework, Customer Network Controller (CNC) can request the MDSC to check if there is a possibility to meet Virtual Network (VN) requirements (before requesting for VN provision). The H-PCE architecture as described in [RFC6805] can supports via the use of PCReq and PCRep messages between the P-PCE and C-PCEs. NEW In the ACTN framework, a Customer Network Controller (CNC) can request the MDSC to check whether there is a possibility to meet Virtual Network (VN) requirements before requesting for the VN to be provisioned. The H-PCE architecture as described in [RFC6805] can support this function using PCReq and PCRep messages between the P-PCE and C-PCEs. END DK>> Done. --- 5.1 I think you need to rephrase this section. I don't think there is any clear meaning to an LSP being involved in H-PCE. But some of this issue can't be resolved until you have worked out what it is that a stateful H-PCE actually does. As previously noted, it would not appear to have access to the per-domain TEDs, so what is it doing with an LSP that is reported or delegated to it? Given what 5.2 says, reporting LSPs (not for delegation, but simply reporting them) seems entirely pointless! DK>> Updated text for clarity. --- I noticed that the Table of Contents doesn't match the actual sections starting from Section 5. Possibly sections 4 and 5 were supposed to be merged DK>> Fixed. --- 6. says The LSP state in the PCRpt message SHOULD continue to use this. Can you explain when a PCRpt might deviate from this "SHOULD"? DK>> Done. --- 6. Thus securing the PCEP session (between the P-PCE and the C-PCE) using mechanism like TCP Authentication Option (TCP-AO) [RFC5925] or Transport Layer Security (TLS) [RFC8253] is RECOMMENDED. What does 'like' mean? Is there anything specific you have in mind? DK>> Fixed. --- You have I-D.ietf-pce-pcep-yang in your references section, but no actual reference to it. DK>> Done. --- A number of references need to be promoted to Normative consistent with how you have used them in this document. RFC 4655 RFC 5520 RFC 5925 RFC 8232 RFC 8253 I-D.litkowski-pce-state-sync I-D.ietf-pce-hierarchy-extensions I-D.dugeon-pce-stateful-interdomain DK>> Done, and moved informative to normative where needed. Thanks, Dan and the other authors. _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Mon Jun 10 07:03:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3041A120191 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 07:03:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xp1a_MrysuD4 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 07:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta7.iomartmail.com (mta7.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02F4D12009C for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 07:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (vs2.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.123]) by mta7.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x5AE3Orp015436; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:03:24 +0100 Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF76422044; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:03:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.249]) by vs2.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAD9922042; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:03:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V (25.129.51.84.dyn.plus.net [84.51.129.25] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x5AE3N2M019289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:03:23 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: References: <03d201d4e328$4bc1b510$e3451f30$@olddog.co.uk> <00d401d51f86$faa87380$eff95a80$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <00d401d51f86$faa87380$eff95a80$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:03:22 +0100 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <04d001d51f95$44719420$cd54bc60$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQFYtmVQGFhQT++Z0ZpUouVGFIPdJwJoCYA+p3p7EMA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 84.51.129.25 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-24666.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--8.340-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--8.340-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-24666.000 X-TMASE-Result: 10--8.340100-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: y/2oPz6gbviWfDtBOz4q23FPUrVDm6jt1WwSQLxOvlW3H4pcytuC9iZK RIFpXA+B0OedSYF02SkQyaiRg5+ZsvcqbABI0A3bzNY33yIEF4YyGiaSs0n67K8uFrEh3C0nPo+ GPoN9kIT9/SZLdNEZIgF074mfVe1sYwXAgt8PtiCUFfCFQEB5c1FH/t3Gql8CmbdPE3zcujhhHM 4Grwsp/4id7a5unrYO5/5QHAsfcUO6IkpxUcjXeVOCUA5CW4v2OhJ9m53n4aDwJYZa/L83HbGNo 4LLRqrT4vM1YF6AJbZcLc3sLtjOt3FpQJBAN3uDU6s2nlVTnzX6C0ePs7A07fcUt5lc1lLglxhP CV6M7c1Bgr9lXRZn698IoNHy3sjB7EoDWEOo8vXX5X8R2GJeIgL0Mj6UEO/ClExlQIQeRG0= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Review of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 14:03:29 -0000 Thanks, Dan, I'm checking the diffs and then I'll do the shepherd write-up and move the document along. Best, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Daniel King On Behalf Of daniel@olddog.co.uk Sent: 10 June 2019 13:21 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Pce] Review of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce Hi Document Shepherd, Thank you for your detailed review, comments and suggested text. The authors believe we have addressed all the open issue with the last two revisions of the I-D. If you would be so kind as to scan through the changes it would be very much appreciated. Please also find a number of comments inline below (DK>>). BR, Dan. 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This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for Associating Working and Protection LSPs with Stateful PCE Authors : Hariharan Ananthakrishnan Siva Sivabalan Colby Barth Raveendra Torvi Ina Minei Edward Crabbe Mahendra Singh Negi Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection-06.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2019-06-12 Abstract: An active stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) is capable of computing as well as controlling via Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) Multiprotocol Label Switching Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (MPLS LSP). Furthermore, it is also possible for an active stateful PCE to create, maintain, and delete LSPs. This document describes PCEP extension to associate two or more LSPs to provide end-to-end path protection. 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Wed, 12 Jun 2019 04:13:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <058701d517c5$15653c90$402fb5b0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:42:54 +0530 Message-ID: To: "Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept)" Cc: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "pce@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBQQ0VQIEVuaGFuY2VkIEVycm9ycw==?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 11:13:36 -0000 Hi WG, Haomian and I discussed this offline and came up with this guideline, that should covers all the cases - Error and Notification handling as per [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] shoul= d be considered in PCE documents that include new errors and notifications. A requirement for the authors of these drafts is to evaluate the applicabilit= y of the procedure in [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] and provide details abou= t the "Error-criticality" TLV and "Propagation" TLV for errors and notificati= ons defined in the draft. Examples of this can be found in section 5.4.3 of [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors]. Thoughts? Dhruv On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 7:26 PM Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) wrote: > > Hi, Dhruv, WG, > > Thank you for the updating, please find my slight 'addition' as follow: > > Error and Notification handling as per [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] sho= uld be considered in PCE documents that include multi-PCE interactions. [Dhruv]: Any new error / notifications definition should include the recommended values for "Error-criticality" TLV and "Propagation" TLV. So instead of "multi-PCE" interaction, better to say "new errors and notifications". > A requirement for the editors of these drafts is to evaluate the applicab= ility of the procedure in [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] and make a stateme= nt on whether new error types need to be extended. [Dhruv]:removed 'make a statement....' >If yes, it is also requested to provide details about the "Error-criticali= ty" TLV and "Propagation" TLV for errors and notifications defined in the d= raft. Examples of this can be found in section 5.4.3 of [I-D.ietf-pce-enhan= ced-errors]. > > BTW, I have no problem on the criteria on whether to put the [I-D.ietf-pc= e-enhanced-errors] as a normative reference or information reference, as th= e error handling in 'Mature' drafts has already been included in the latest= version of [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors]. > > Best wishes, > Haomian > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Dhruv Dhody [mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com] > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 1= 9:16 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technolo= gy Research Dept) > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: adrian@olddog.co.uk; pce@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Pce] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: PCEP Enhanced Errors > > Hi Haomian, WG, > > Note that, this guideline should be for any 'future' draft, since this up= date would have to use [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] as a normative refere= nce (as they will be providing details of Error-criticality and Propagation= etc). > For any 'mature' draft it is better to use [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors]= as informative reference with details of error handling added into [I-D.ie= tf-pce-enhanced-errors] itself (as already done for some drafts). > > Thus my suggestion would be to say - > > Error and Notification handling as per [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] sho= uld be considered in PCE documents that include multi-PCE interactions. A r= equirement for the editors of these drafts is to evaluate the applicability= of the procedure in [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors] and provide details abo= ut the "Error-criticality" TLV and "Propagation" TLV for errors and notific= ations defined in the draft. Examples of this can be found in section 5.4.3= of [I-D.ietf-pce-enhanced-errors]. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks! > Dhruv > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 3:38 PM Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Techno= logy Research Dept) wrote: > > > > Hi, Dhruv, WG, > > > > I think the following text would be helpful as the guideline. > > > > ------ guideline text starts --------- Error handling should be > > considered in any multi-PCE drafts. A requirement for the editors of th= ese drafts is to evaluate what error types between PCE may occur in the spe= cified scenarios in the draft and whether new error types need to be extend= ed. It is also requested to check the applicability of the procedures speci= fied in draft-ietf-pce-enhanced-errors to both the existing and the extendi= ng error types. For PCE protocol extension who gives new error types, it is= requested to provide description on the applicability of "Propagation" TLV= and "Error-criticality" TLV. > > ------ guideline text ends --------- > > > > Any comments or rephrasing would be more than welcome, thank you. > > > > Best wishes, > > Haomian > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Dhruv Dhody [mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com] > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5= 13:28 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Techno= logy Research Dept) > > > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: adrian@olddog.co.uk; pce@ietf.org > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Pce] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: PCEP Enhanced Errors > > > > Hi Haomian, > > > > Lets come up with the guidelines (and get the agreement on the mailing > > list) first! > > Then, lets take one of the I-D as example and work with the authors to = incorporate the guidelines. > > > > We can worry about how to add guidelines to the wiki later. We can also= add the guidelines in your draft itself. > > > > Thanks! > > Dhruv > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 7:20 AM Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Tech= nology Research Dept) wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Adrian, WGs, > > > > > > Thank you for bringing the issue to the list, I think we agreed the d= irection you mentioned 'no haste but keep moving' in Prague. We would defin= itely like to provide some text as guideline for other documents, either in= the draft or on the wiki page, or both. Personally I need to understand th= e context in the wiki page before doing that. Do the chairs want to see a s= eparate paragraph talking about the error handling? Or we put the text toge= ther with other sections like 'implement policy'? > > > > > > We can move on providing text once we can agree on how to manage, tha= nk you. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Haomian (as one of the co-authors) > > > > > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 Adrian Farrel > > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=8831=E6=97= =A5 23:25 > > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: pce@ietf.org > > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Pce] PCEP Enhanced Errors > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > In Prague we had a discussion of draft-ietf-pce-enhanced-errors. > > > > > > My recollection is that we decided that there was no great hurry to p= ush this document to completion, but that we didn't want to abandon it. > > > > > > Checking back with the minutes, there was an objective that we encour= age authors of other documents to adhere to the error behaviours described = in this document. We do this possibly by putting text on a wiki page, but f= irst by discussing the guidelines on the mailing list. Looks like we were p= articularly interested in the behaviours when there are multiple PCEs prese= nt. > > > > > > We also discussed the possibilities for encouraging an "Error Handlin= g" > > > section in all our drafts, or at least for a section on "Error Handli= ng in Multi-PCE Scenarios" when applicable. > > > > > > Would the authors of draft-ietf-pce-enhanced-errors like to take the = lead on this? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Adrian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pce mailing list > > > Pce@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pce mailing list > > > Pce@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Wed Jun 12 04:31:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BE2120116 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 04:31:31 -0700 (PDT) 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pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:50:16 -0000 Hi folk, A couple of recent drafts have reached "late stages" with six or more names on the front page. The RFC editor has indicated that five is the reasonable maximum, and the IESG asks that we stick to that apart from in exceptional circumstances. That means that when we do the Shepherd Write-up we have to include a justification if you want more names on the front page. If you don't give us that justification, then you are going to have to sort out the front page before the draft progresses. I know that this can be painful and disappointing, but if you don't do it or provide a good reason, then the chairs will just have to do it for you. I suspect you would prefer the smaller pain to the radical solution we might provide. So please get on top of this small piece of administrivia. A useful tool for you would be to never add the sixth name in the first place. That is easily and completely under your control and will make any later decisions easier. 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--_000_7e6e2db8de634f5e9677b9aea339293chuaweicom_-- From nobody Thu Jun 13 05:37:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28FA12000F; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 05:36:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suresh Krishnan via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability@ietf.org, Jonathan Hardwick , pce-chairs@ietf.org, jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com, pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Suresh Krishnan Message-ID: <156042941992.12700.6763381221178844987.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 05:36:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:37:00 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with Alvaro that lot of the references are really normative rather than informative. I also share Mirja's concerns about lack of review. From nobody Thu Jun 13 06:00:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F82312026B; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 06:00:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability@ietf.org, Jonathan Hardwick , pce-chairs@ietf.org, jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com, pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <156043080037.12409.12511237448524929266.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 06:00:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 13:00:03 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) I share Mirja’s concerns about the lack of review per the shepherd write-up . (2) Section 5. Per “The method may require several crankback …”, perhaps a reference to RFC4920 might be appropriate. (3) Section 5.1.3. What does “protection” mean in the context of “It may be necessary (for protection …) to computer a path that is partially or entirely diverse …”? From nobody Thu Jun 13 07:33:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13ED812030A; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 07:33:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability@ietf.org, Jonathan Hardwick , pce-chairs@ietf.org, jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com, pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <156043639700.12426.1653356284156620484.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 07:33:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:33:17 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This document claims to be an "applicability statement" but is being published as Informational. Is the divergence from an RFC 2026 Applicability Statement intentional? I share other AD's concerns about the lack of review indicated in the shepherd writeup, though to some extent the content seems obviously true. Section 1 A number of issues exist for routing in multi-domain networks, these include: nit: this is a comma splice. Section 1.1 Perhaps the first two paragraphs could indicate that the first paragraph is considering general usage, outside of this document, while the second paragraph restricts to just the current usage in this document. Section 1.2 architecture defined in [RFC4655]. When a path has required the Path Computation Client (PCC) will send a request to the PCE. The PCE nit: "is required" (or "has been requested", I suppose) Section 1.5 RFCs 5088 and 5089 are for OSPV and IS-IS discovery mechanisms. Aren't those inherently (in some sense) limited to a single IGP area, making it difficult to discover PCEs located in other ASes? Section 4.2 Are there references available for the numbers claimed in this section? (They seem reasonable to me, but for archival purposes it can be helpful.) Section 4.5 An operator may also need to avoid a path that uses specified nodes for administrative reasons, or if a specific connectivity service required to have a 1+1 protection capability, two completely disjoint paths must be established, Shared Risk Link Group (SRLG) information may be provided to ensure path diversity. I think maybe the last comma is a comma splice? The distribution of SRLG information does seem to be somewhat different from the requirements for various types of paths, at least. Section 5.1.2 nit: "zero, one or more" seems equivalent to "zero or more" Section 7.2 Please expand OSS. Section 13 PCEP security is defined [RFC5440]. [...] (nit?) It seems that 5440 just says "use IPsec (or TCP-MD5), which is not exactly in-protocol "PCEP security" per se. As the secdir reviewer notes, some additional guidance on what to do when crossing administrative boundaries is probably in order. From nobody Mon Jun 17 03:02:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1734120119 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 03:02:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9lgwTYF9_aH6 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 03:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd2a.google.com (mail-io1-xd2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0457512011A for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 03:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2a.google.com with SMTP id e3so19725703ioc.12; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 03:02:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Hm2rYkQiWN9JiynezGb2fr41xKASCyzsnJYPHx6z/TE=; b=IMEjGW3oL4sWD7YFWBf7cbzsV85URNDN9x+VJMLXsp2dvVp5TdVHrNvRPBv/SFZTyf MN4HyIZT0IM0ZEkSULVsLa8ZV6H285HDJs4nITAx2+2ejkJgiWmxAKm1d+h+TmNfsZTT e4J7wIkXsLg4/YJo8hRXwcnC7B9Y8DKLLwJfRdfbVy2KKp+g2XB5qoyIYiFZGt3VKG04 Yd5yU7VzF1KFHADCckN1KcMb6/Kw48c15fkLnKE0yjf48L8PwWdO7kG5c4KQMkcqvK7r InmiJgLym0S968Mv9MBke1bUgLj4CenpvlO2AHoAzsTQez3fiPkcj+xFuNV8VRe7bH08 065w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Hm2rYkQiWN9JiynezGb2fr41xKASCyzsnJYPHx6z/TE=; b=iSpE68klzXAqyjgb0vzinmdg5yPRayTkoGXvrQj/zYnOHoXMG/2v3aucgEydbtrGia rQK7wIhX6r/GovyMEEbq4P0Z99pYkVGeCkAvO4UMnwgbPy0eBJxUaksu1x2XiDIlyH43 WREhq7C3WeTAdiloXnRJqMDFMsb1wyH2yvJQtcUjl1noU3ag4xsrcqWR0DsK7k80JvjC oADQvOshOsGZjho/sxzFoVQkuWA9ybUE/SvwMM2J8JM9Vv2bYNj04tdzfO2TXNELMoNz UyYYWun2DYGvuNmMHirNPRKvcIlQ+cH+4qBvLU4bxi0suE4/DgxVFCql2eOGThIKqt4n p34w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX0CGQS18nfR5P4a8KOi69AsJxHVRre09HhOUkCZo6Wl9LeAccE +umIkGbuW/xAFO1VGMkpJF2nXlmWLIfIDPYqRzmc9PeY X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx3ppcdOaX950qS0N5MTJXfDO9RsIx/EygXGl5tw1+RWnQ0rt4U1WtWxtCaK542QxwFNItC7rPTHXOIURc3wSE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:149:: with SMTP id y9mr57995956jao.76.1560765737927; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 03:02:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 15:31:41 +0530 Message-ID: To: pce@ietf.org Cc: Hariharan Ananthakrishnan , draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 10:02:23 -0000 Hi WG, The WG LC ends in 2 days. We would like to see some more responses before we make the consensuses call. Please confirm if the document is ready to be sent to the IESG. Detailed comments are always welcome! Thanks! Dhruv On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:56 PM Dhruv Dhody wrote: > > Hi WG, > > This email starts a working group last call for > draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04. The WG LC will run for 2 weeks, till > 19th June 2019. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ > > Please indicate your support or concern for this draft. > > If you are opposed to the progression of the draft, please articulate your > concern. > > If you support, please indicate that you have read the latest version and > it is ready for publication. Further, explaining the importance of the work in > your opinion is appreciated. > > As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. Silence on the list, not > so much :) > > Thanks, > Dhruv, Julien, & Adrian From nobody Mon Jun 17 08:46:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFB61201CD; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 08:46:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yKXTE-bPL5Yp; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 08:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta5.iomartmail.com (mta5.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9445120248; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 08:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs1.iomartmail.com (vs1.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.121]) by mta5.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x5HFki9w022490; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:46:44 +0100 Received: from vs1.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC4B2203A; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:46:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.248]) by vs1.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3C3E22040; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:46:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V (25.129.51.84.dyn.plus.net [84.51.129.25] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x5HFkhov023994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:46:44 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Dhruv Dhody'" , Cc: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:46:42 +0100 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <01b501d52523$dca74350$95f5c9f0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQIxKNjiODw/assh1rTqz1OSbf7jjwHd6JeGpdkGUHA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 84.51.129.25 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-24686.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--15.172-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--15.172-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-24686.000 X-TMASE-Result: 10--15.171800-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: IeZYkn8zfFrxIbpQ8BhdbKoNIG7S1SGvcJuzZ/5RoVanRvssirgAK9Ry mYEpMMK1k7fbjS0KWwMsXDvIq7nhbKe6jDzI71t5c7NKwtVBYz3g02I3oyGU8FB3AZ+9IiUHj3d ZSyALReK5mtFD7nF4zhnoApnkIMmOLhiVcI0czH9or4yxPAz7Wf+o/UjIXF0CGP0M/F8V3KiMnZ m8tXkF+9D/MuDQe7jre4WaafCW6wS+wevJowkSwc+Qb/9oChYJqb0OUk+lIL1daoscpcUDDODGR KQQH0pig7cFeMsvTcWc/HD9Wm3D2WPdwRdwUA8e+Fq9Vk/m1NpBmlBF/IJ0fGfbjGiFA7TlEMjD scz85YUy0cTVl0yqLSlg90m5wvY3OR1mtZMXNzEwjFu8zcBWiFT5iq0BT4XZjiLABC6i+1ilE7g UP1kb/3N0mbU3bB8zA1rG/vQA+lim8ppoJxv0OlkxnoxnQfVSYb/JE7G+BE1jQ6o1zjtGHiYVfT z1t48sBQouyhtPko/uTB74tQeROIu2XtH7hB3SRTO9mhIXG40x/k92L7R8tujnKWtZ9LTL8P3P/ jAMQ1NRsGBNYc6igK6t1Cxw5IJNI7N3ndflhMA3X0+M8lqGUvf8ftp0B9+Sq7FI/pTKulWc/2wc Ft9opIT968px+xce6uSc+ZpcMn8+Yokf/q5UQMoT2gD1xc7NCje9NnknVDK3EXxIDHz9GcAGpPr zIdGXJZ8VDfNeAmn2MAg1zxpa61mGwsZJV9auVAe4JIDwCbAacZilk37ECJh1w7u+28D/XyCR2a ++D/a3nQMqHp+dH1PAfp9FxHjdFr0QmKQUdRKeAiCmPx4NwLTrdaH1ZWqCii7lXaIcF/Ww7M6dy uYKg/cUt5lc1lLgtT4piLWpY7p+3BndfXUhXQ== X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 15:46:52 -0000 Hi, Picking up on Dhruv's request, I did a quick review as co-chair. It's after the end of WG last call, but life is full of little disappointments. Enjoy! Adrian === Please reduce to five or fewer authors on the front page or provide the shepherd with a good reason why not. --- Please expand "LSP" in the document title. --- I found the Abstract a bit hard to work through. How about... A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) retains information about the placement of MPLS-TE Label Switched Paths (LSPs). When a PCE has stateful control over LSPs it may send indications to LSP head-ends to modify the attributes (especially the paths) of the LSPs. A Path Computation Client (PCC) has set up LSPs under local configuration may delegate control of those LSPs to a stateful PCE. There are use-cases in which a stateful PCE may wish to obtain control of locally configured LSPs of which it is aware but that have not been delegated to the PCE. This document describes an extension to the Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) to enable a PCE to make such requests. --- Please expand abbreviations on first use in the body of the document (even if they have already been used in the Abstract). I found: - PCEP - TE LSP - PCC - PCE --- You need to move the block of text "Requirements Language" down to after the Introduction. Probably create a Section 2.1 for it. That is also consistent with it not being appropriate to use Requirements Language in the Introduction. (You have just one "MAY" which can safely be made lower case.) --- Section 3 s/a R/an R/ s/LSP(s)/LSPs/ OLD The LSP is identified by the LSP object. NEW The LSPs are identified by the LSP object. END --- Section 3 has... [RFC8281] defines a R (LSP-REMOVE) flag. This is true, but not very relevant. You don't mention the R flag anywhere else. Maybe just delete this? --- Section 4 OLD LSP(s) is/are NEW LSPs are END s/[RFC8231] ./[RFC8231]./ --- Section 4 If the LSP(s) is/are already delegated to the PCE making the request, the PCC ignores the C Flag. Doesn't this over-complicate things? Why not have the PCE always respond with D set or clear depending on whether it wants to have delegated? That way, a PCE that drops context (i.e., does it have control or not?) is able to regain context. Or are you trying to prevent a thrash where... PCE ---> C flag D flag <--- PCC PCE ---> D flag and C flag D flag <--- PCC PCE ---> D flag and C flag etc. I see you don't give the PCE advice about not setting the C flag for LSPs it already has delegate control over. That would lead to... PCE ---> C flag D flag <--- PCC PCE ---> D flag --- Section 4 In case multiple PCEs request control over an LSP, and if the PCC is willing to grant the control, the LSP MUST be delegated to only one PCE chosen by the PCC based on its local policy. This might be clearer as... A PCC MUST NOT delegate an LSP to more than one PCE at any time. If a PCE requests control of an LSP that has already been delegated by the PCC to another PCE, the PCE MAY ignore the request, or MAY revoke the delegation to the first PCE before delegating it to the second. This choice is a matter of local policy. --- Section 4 It should be noted that a legacy implementation of PCC, that does not understand the C flag in PCUpd message, would simply ignore the flag (and the request to grant control over the LSP). At the same time it would trigger the error condition as specified in [RFC8231] (a PCErr with Error-type=19 (Invalid Operation) and error-value 1 (Attempted LSP Update Request for a non-delegated LSP)). I looked through 8231 and 8281 and I don't find a discussion of handling unknown flags. What is missing in 7.2 of 8231 is "Unassigned flags MUST be set to zero on transmission, and unknown flags MUST be ignored on receipt." I think that without that addition to 8231, your text doesn't work. --- Section 6 s/vectors/vector/ --- Section 7.1 It would be good if you could help IANA correctly identify the registry you want actioned. I think this is... IANA maintains a registry called the "Path Computation Element Protocol (PCEP) Numbers" registry. It contains a subregistry called the "SRP Object Flag Field" registry. I note that the current registry reads... Value Description Reference 0-30 Unassigned [RFC8281] 31 LSP-Remove [RFC8281] ...so your proposed description for the c-bit is a bit lengthy. --- Section 8.1 There is a further policy described in the document: that of deciding which of a pair of delegation requests to honour. --- Not sure whether it belongs in 8.1 or 8.3... The PCE that sends a delegation request and doesn't get a response "may choose to retry requesting the control preferably using exponentially increasing timer." That implies a timer that should be configurable. --- Not sure whether it belongs in 8.1 or 8.3 or 7... The Security considerations section suggests dropping delegation requests if the PCC is swamped. I think you need to configure the threshold for swamping, and to recommend that the issue be logged. -----Original Message----- From: Pce On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody Sent: 17 June 2019 11:02 To: pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 Hi WG, The WG LC ends in 2 days. We would like to see some more responses before we make the consensuses call. Please confirm if the document is ready to be sent to the IESG. Detailed comments are always welcome! Thanks! Dhruv On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:56 PM Dhruv Dhody wrote: > > Hi WG, > > This email starts a working group last call for > draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04. The WG LC will run for 2 weeks, till > 19th June 2019. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ > > Please indicate your support or concern for this draft. > > If you are opposed to the progression of the draft, please articulate your > concern. > > If you support, please indicate that you have read the latest version and > it is ready for publication. Further, explaining the importance of the work in > your opinion is appreciated. > > As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. Silence on the list, not > so much :) > > Thanks, > Dhruv, Julien, & Adrian _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Mon Jun 17 14:58:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555571202F1; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:58:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pce@ietf.org Message-ID: <156080870226.22474.8459005932219518482@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:58:22 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 21:58:23 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Hierarchical Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE). Authors : Dhruv Dhody Young Lee Daniele Ceccarelli Jongyoon Shin Daniel King Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2019-06-17 Abstract: A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information on the current network state, including: computed Label Switched Path (LSPs), reserved resources within the network, and pending path computation requests. This information may then be considered when computing new traffic engineered LSPs, and for associated and dependent LSPs, received from Path Computation Clients (PCCs). The Path computation response from a PCE is helpful for the PCC to gracefully establish the computed LSP. The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture, provides an architecture to allow the optimum sequence of inter-connected domains to be selected, and network policy to be applied if applicable, via the use of a hierarchical relationship between PCEs. Combining the capabilities of Stateful PCE and the Hierarchical PCE would be advantageous. This document describes general considerations and use cases for the deployment of Stateful, and not Stateless, PCEs using the Hierarchical PCE architecture. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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BR, Dan. -----Original Message----- From: Pce On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 17 June 2019 22:58 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Hierarchical Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE). Authors : Dhruv Dhody Young Lee Daniele Ceccarelli Jongyoon Shin Daniel King Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2019-06-17 Abstract: A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information on the current network state, including: computed Label Switched Path (LSPs), reserved resources within the network, and pending path computation requests. This information may then be considered when computing new traffic engineered LSPs, and for associated and dependent LSPs, received from Path Computation Clients (PCCs). The Path computation response from a PCE is helpful for the PCC to gracefully establish the computed LSP. The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture, provides an architecture to allow the optimum sequence of inter-connected domains to be selected, and network policy to be applied if applicable, via the use of a hierarchical relationship between PCEs. Combining the capabilities of Stateful PCE and the Hierarchical PCE would be advantageous. This document describes general considerations and use cases for the deployment of Stateful, and not Stateless, PCEs using the Hierarchical PCE architecture. 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It's > after the end of WG last call, but life is full of little > disappointments. > Thanks Adrian for your comments, they are still within the WG LC period. The WG LC ends tomorrow i.e. 19th June 2019! Regards, Dhruv From nobody Mon Jun 17 22:23:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D9B12004A; Mon, 17 Jun 2019 22:23:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pce@ietf.org Message-ID: <156083540694.22377.6259089117941344453@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 22:23:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection-07.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 05:23:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for Associating Working and Protection LSPs with Stateful PCE Authors : Hariharan Ananthakrishnan Siva Sivabalan Colby Barth Ina Minei Mahendra Singh Negi Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection-07.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2019-06-17 Abstract: An active stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) is capable of computing as well as controlling via Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) Multiprotocol Label Switching Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (MPLS LSP). Furthermore, it is also possible for an active stateful PCE to create, maintain, and delete LSPs. This document describes PCEP extension to associate two or more LSPs to provide end-to-end path protection. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there I have reviewed this draft for the routing directorate as part of preparing= it for IETF last call and IESG review. I was familiar with this document from the time that I chaired the PCE work= ing group, but this was the first time I read it all the way through and pa= id attention to all details. I found it easy to read and understand. I th= ink it is basically ready to go with a few small clarifications and nits, b= elow. Cheers Jon Document: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 Reviewer: Jon Hardwick Review Date: 18 June 2019 IETF LC End Date: LC not started yet Intended Status: Standards Track Comments Section 3 is somewhat redundant IMO. 4.1 you should ideally provide a reference for how to do MBB signalling. 4.3 "Similarly, if a PCC gets overwhelmed due to signaling churn, it can no= tify the PCE to temporarily suspend new LSP setup requests." I think this = is covered by 5.7 as well as the PCE case, but you only refer to 5.7 for th= e latter. Please point to 5.7 for both cases. 5.1 Not a big deal, but I wonder if there is any practical reason to differ= entiate the final two bullets. 5.6 Why are AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTES required (MUST) in the LSPA object of= a PCRpt? If the LSP is PCE-initiated, then the PCE already knows what att= ributes were specified. If the LSP is PCC-Initiated, then the attributes a= re the PCC's business - the PCE can't change them (per 5.5) and I don't thi= nk the PCE even needs to know what they are. 7.2 Misuses RFC 2119 language to request an action from a working group. I= n other documents (when there is not already a draft in progress to do it) = we have reworded this as "the YANG / MIB could be updated" etc. Nits 5: "Extensions to the PCEP" would sound better as "PCEP Extensions" 7: In RFC 6123 it says "The Manageability Considerations section SHOULD be = placed immediately before the Security Considerations section in any Intern= et-Draft." - but here, it comes after. --_000_BL0PR02MB48683C539DEB5050782AAEA484EA0BL0PR02MB4868namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi there

 

I have reviewed this draft for = the routing directorate as part of preparing it for IETF last call and IESG= review.

 

I was familiar with this docume= nt from the time that I chaired the PCE working group, but this was the fir= st time I read it all the way through and paid attention to all details.&nb= sp; I found it easy to read and understand.  I think it is basically ready to go with a few small clarifications and ni= ts, below.

 

Cheers

Jon

 

Document: draft-ietf-pce-statef= ul-pce-auto-bandwidth-09

Reviewer: Jon Hardwick

Review Date: 18 June 2019<= /o:p>

IETF LC End Date: LC not starte= d yet

Intended Status: Standards Trac= k

 

Comments

Section 3 is somewhat redundant= IMO.

4.1 you should ideally provide = a reference for how to do MBB signalling.

4.3 “Similarly, if a PCC = gets overwhelmed due to signaling churn, it can notify the PCE to temporari= ly suspend new LSP setup requests.”  I think this is covered by = 5.7 as well as the PCE case, but you only refer to 5.7 for the latter. Please point to 5.7 for both cases.

5.1 Not a big deal, but I wonde= r if there is any practical reason to differentiate the final two bullets.<= o:p>

5.6 Why are AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTR= IBUTES required (MUST) in the LSPA object of a PCRpt?  If the LSP is P= CE-initiated, then the PCE already knows what attributes were specified.&nb= sp; If the LSP is PCC-Initiated, then the attributes are the PCC’s business – the PCE can’t change them (per = 5.5) and I don’t think the PCE even needs to know what they are.=

7.2 Misuses RFC 2119 language t= o request an action from a working group.  In other documents (when th= ere is not already a draft in progress to do it) we have reworded this as &= #8220;the YANG / MIB could be updated” etc.

 

Nits

5: “Extensions to the PCE= P” would sound better as “PCEP Extensions”

7: In RFC 6123 it says “T= he Manageability Considerations section SHOULD be placed immediately before= the Security Considerations section in any Internet-Draft.” – = but here, it comes after.

 

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Thanks, Mike. -----Original Message----- From: Pce On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 12:26 PM To: pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 Hi WG, This email starts a working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-= request-04. The WG LC will run for 2 weeks, till 19th June 2019. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ Please indicate your support or concern for this draft. If you are opposed to the progression of the draft, please articulate your = concern. If you support, please indicate that you have read the latest version and i= t is ready for publication. Further, explaining the importance of the work = in your opinion is appreciated. As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. 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Support


Regards


Hooman

 

From: Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>= ;
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 21:56
Subject: WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04
To: <pce@ietf.org>
Cc: Hariharan Ananthakrishnan <hari@= netflix.com>, <draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request@ietf.org>=



Hi WG,

This email starts a working group last call for
draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04. The WG LC will run for 2 weeks, till=
19th June 2019.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp= -control-request/

Please indicate your support or concern for this draft.

If you are opposed to the progression of the draft, please articulate your<= br> concern.

If you support, please indicate that you have read the latest version and it is ready for publication. Further, explaining the importance of the work= in
your opinion is appreciated.

As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. Silence on the list, = not
so much :)

Thanks,
Dhruv, Julien, & Adrian

 =

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Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:03:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.248]) by vs2.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 225D02204C; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:03:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V (25.129.51.84.dyn.plus.net [84.51.129.25] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x5IL3ImW014450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:03:19 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" Cc: References: <156080870226.22474.8459005932219518482@ietfa.amsl.com> <00b301d52558$6870f280$3952d780$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <00b301d52558$6870f280$3952d780$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:03:17 +0100 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <000b01d52619$418809d0$c4981d70$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQG5oAjrbLCEWHE0VKrgEM/efwJ2GQMviNEOpr90ZRA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 84.51.129.25 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-24690.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--16.913-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--16.913-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-24690.001 X-TMASE-Result: 10--16.913300-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: ZFzIhWOuIztor4mPA3EMtnFPUrVDm6jt1WwSQLxOvlWuc/Mjt14r212t vsxNXD/lNJkT98oMu7vcixbwa0CYj2MFwILfD7YgJ+mFatzELCNKRaXN2yYjHlhs8uimgHNCqrL pOlGDhqG9g7sDXG03MLcm8EfQO7P0IpKkb60iUL9Q+S0N05fR+yFq4bKNOR/1CMYe+fB56eyPW5 BMg95FVp9NxqRbsrdJpt3L5VFqVttSHosnxqKdcLCa4m727IUPdU2gXPGZpudpsnGGIgWMmUUxx rup1O97qCWODjq9KQN8NIfCaHntLE+DqffUqJJufVRlI+8Oy1kd+GV/0bmoXU9EvF53ySNIHDPv bMPO+Q4Pyq8FufPqH9OzF0V710z471NoDlsmZ4kzxdO2BTO208wx7VbZgGmKzMYDusg1SHABSGj tiD7f+2G+Z4EwKHdwV6PudFmEjPgeWdHNBdxmTYicBKfMHlV8mHAp2UJ8+TwM74Nf6tTB9sGTZR Xft8EsWlXhppSEYxiQEDDnH1cOqo+Xyy5YdK5UngIgpj8eDcC063Wh9WVqgqbyPFGTn+O4XEYHd B0elaV0HSe131POnuJGF26G8SWy5yM0c1ktj9M= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 21:03:28 -0000 Thanks Dan. Deborah, good to go. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Pce On Behalf Of daniel@olddog.co.uk Sent: 17 June 2019 23:03 To: pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10.txt Hi All, This revision of the I-D adjusts the number of document authors, from six to five. BR, Dan. -----Original Message----- From: Pce On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 17 June 2019 22:58 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Hierarchical Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE). Authors : Dhruv Dhody Young Lee Daniele Ceccarelli Jongyoon Shin Daniel King Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2019-06-17 Abstract: A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information on the current network state, including: computed Label Switched Path (LSPs), reserved resources within the network, and pending path computation requests. This information may then be considered when computing new traffic engineered LSPs, and for associated and dependent LSPs, received from Path Computation Clients (PCCs). The Path computation response from a PCE is helpful for the PCC to gracefully establish the computed LSP. The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture, provides an architecture to allow the optimum sequence of inter-connected domains to be selected, and network policy to be applied if applicable, via the use of a hierarchical relationship between PCEs. Combining the capabilities of Stateful PCE and the Hierarchical PCE would be advantageous. This document describes general considerations and use cases for the deployment of Stateful, and not Stateless, PCEs using the Hierarchical PCE architecture. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Tue Jun 18 14:11:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E153612018D; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:11:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C2adPg_E1HCy; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta8.iomartmail.com (mta8.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.158]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41F8212029C; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (vs2.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.123]) by mta8.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x5ILBQYJ015957; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:11:26 +0100 Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7C02204E; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:11:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.249]) by vs2.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 576B42204C; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:11:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V (25.129.51.84.dyn.plus.net [84.51.129.25] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x5ILBPkx017673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:11:25 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: "'pce-chairs'" , Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:11:24 +0100 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <000e01d5261a$6377f9f0$2a67edd0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdUmGfvljK613jfZQOCdMN67am3I5g== Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 84.51.129.25 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-24690.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--9.390-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--9.390-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-24690.001 X-TMASE-Result: 10--9.389800-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: er0sFZGbpWc/9d9Rtcc0Q0sh+mzT1UnbpQH4ogtVQP0FULT2r78Mz8/r K5/hzZTL9z642srjLOF6CeLc6s6i0ksy6t1UPs9QTh4VSQfkIVxkAa0IkTbdiMuSXx71bvSLiiq okckdfZanWmPRcHzz/3VHmKjDGmlmv340HnSjIMH1MIl9eZdLbzsgUw68UQrYqJg/l28qaR9RLT ERhRg1g6dvHTbZtXgoQG62Sn3aGkyhaaHJ2Pbulfw4wQxTs7JmChdI4sLlrjiGToisPp3j9QDGw 7aPkxvQbpWPnG8x5iWRk6XtYogiarQ/aqQZTRfKU6baA36eiazEQdG7H66TyH4gKq42LRYkBGKk NPCpENt8+g/te2VUAm2AVkJ5n1pMCIPKIJBiq7B+3BndfXUhXQ== X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Chair's pre-adoption review of draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association-07 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 21:11:33 -0000 Hi, Since you indicated that you thought your draft was ready for adoption by the working group, I have done a quick review. I realise that this is work in progress and does not need to be perfect or even complete at this stage, so I have tried to just pick out some points to tidy up the document so that an adoption poll will be a bit smoother. Thanks, Adrian ==== The Table of Contents seems to be out of date. --- It would be really helpful if you could include an Implementation Status section consistent with the working group policy. If you have nothing to report then just simply report that you have nothing to report. --- Section 3 has An LSP MUST belong to a single VNAG. I think you probably mean... An LSP MUST NOT belong to more than one VNAG. --- The figure at the top of page 6 seems to be about explaining VNs, but you probably don't need to do that in this document. --- Section 4 The VIRTUAL-NETWORK-TLV MUST be included in VNAG object. I think the "VNAG object" is an Association Object with the Association Type set to "VNAG". --- Section 6 Could you think about the implications of the VN name being in clear text. 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All your comment= s are agreed and as such the proposed revision has incorporated your commen= ts. Please see the proposed revision and the diff file attached. If you hav= e any question on the revision, please let us know. I will upload the draft shortly.=20 Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:11 PM To: draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association@ietf.org Cc: 'pce-chairs' ; pce@ietf.org Subject: Chair's pre-adoption review of draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association-0= 7 Hi, Since you indicated that you thought your draft was ready for adoption by t= he working group, I have done a quick review. I realise that this is work i= n progress and does not need to be perfect or even complete at this stage, = so I have tried to just pick out some points to tidy up the document so tha= t an adoption poll will be a bit smoother. 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Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association-08.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 14:32:37 -0000 --00000000000081ee16058bae1964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi WG, The draft was revised to incorporate Adrian's comments on this draft. Among the major changes is adding the implementation section. Please see the below diff file for all the changes. Thanks. Young ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 9:17 AM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association-08.txt To: Young Lee , Xian Zhang , Daniele Ceccarelli A new version of I-D, draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association-08.txt has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association Revision: 08 Title: Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) extensions for Establishing Relationships between sets of LSPs and Virtual Networks Document date: 2019-06-19 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 14 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association-08.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association-08 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association-08 Abstract: This document describes how to extend Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP) association mechanism introduced by the PCEP Association Group specification, to further associate sets of LSPs with a higher-level structure such as a virtual network (VN) requested by clients or applications. This extended association mechanism can be used to facilitate virtual network control using PCE architecture. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --00000000000081ee16058bae1964 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi WG,

The d= raft was revised to incorporate Adrian's comments on this draft. Among = the major changes is adding the implementation section. Please see the belo= w diff file for all the changes.=C2=A0

Thanks.
Young

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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-leedh= ody-pce-vn-association-08.txt
To: Young Lee <younglee.tx@gmail.com>, Xian Zhang <zhang.xian@huawei.com>, Daniele Ceccare= lli <daniele.ceccarel= li@ericsson.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-leedhody-pce-vn-association-08.txt
has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the
IETF repository.

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Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Path Computation Element communica= tion Protocol (PCEP) extensions for Establishing Relationships between sets= of LSPs and Virtual Networks
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes how to extend Path Computation Element= (PCE)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Communication Protocol (PCEP) association mechanism introduced= by the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0PCEP Association Group specification, to further associate set= s of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0LSPs with a higher-level structure such as a virtual network (= VN)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0requested by clients or applications. This extended associatio= n
=C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanism can be used to facilitate virtual network control us= ing PCE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0architecture.






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We seem to have support to move this work forward. Thanks to everyone who responded and especially to Adrian and Haomian for providing review comments. Authors, please respond to comments and post a new update. Hari, Thanks for being the document shepherd. Ball is now in your court to provide shepherd review and write-up, once the authors have made an update. Thanks! Dhruv, Julien, & Adrian On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:56 PM Dhruv Dhody wrote: > > Hi WG, > > This email starts a working group last call for > draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04. The WG LC will run for 2 weeks, till > 19th June 2019. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ > > Please indicate your support or concern for this draft. > > If you are opposed to the progression of the draft, please articulate your > concern. > > If you support, please indicate that you have read the latest version and > it is ready for publication. Further, explaining the importance of the work in > your opinion is appreciated. > > As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. 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Fri, 21 Jun 2019 02:31:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pce@ietf.org Message-ID: <156110946590.17345.1462066704997017608@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 02:31:05 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-05.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 09:31:06 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Ability for a stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) to request and obtain control of a Label Switched Path (LSP) Authors : Aswatnarayan Raghuram Al Goddard Jay Karthik Siva Sivabalan Mahendra Singh Negi Filename : draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-05.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2019-06-21 Abstract: A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) retains information about the placement of Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs). When a PCE has stateful control over LSPs it may send indications to LSP head-ends to modify the attributes (especially the paths) of the LSPs. A Path Computation Client (PCC) has set up LSPs under local configuration may delegate control of those LSPs to a stateful PCE. There are use-cases in which a stateful PCE may wish to obtain control of locally configured LSPs of which it is aware but that have not been delegated to the PCE. This document describes an extension to the Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) to enable a PCE to make such requests. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Please see inline with ... On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 5:53 AM Jonathan Hardwick wrote: > Hi there > > > > I have reviewed this draft for the routing directorate as part of > preparing it for IETF last call and IESG review. > > > > I was familiar with this document from the time that I chaired the PCE > working group, but this was the first time I read it all the way through > and paid attention to all details. I found it easy to read and > understand. I think it is basically ready to go with a few small > clarifications and nits, below. > > > > Cheers > > Jon > > > > Document: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 > > Reviewer: Jon Hardwick > > Review Date: 18 June 2019 > > IETF LC End Date: LC not started yet > > Intended Status: Standards Track > > > > Comments > > Section 3 is somewhat redundant IMO. > We can keep it given the Figure showing the extensions unless there is a preference to remove it. 4.1 you should ideally provide a reference for how to do MBB signalling. > Added [RFC3209]. 4.3 =E2=80=9CSimilarly, if a PCC gets overwhelmed due to signaling churn, i= t can > notify the PCE to temporarily suspend new LSP setup requests.=E2=80=9D I= think > this is covered by 5.7 as well as the PCE case, but you only refer to 5.7 > for the latter. Please point to 5.7 for both cases. > Added. 5.1 Not a big deal, but I wonder if there is any practical reason to > differentiate the final two bullets. > There is a precedence for the second bullet error message in [RFC 8231] (e.g. error-value 2). The first bullet error message just comes from the existing behaviour without this extension. 5.6 Why are AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTES required (MUST) in the LSPA object of > a PCRpt? If the LSP is PCE-initiated, then the PCE already knows what > attributes were specified. If the LSP is PCC-Initiated, then the > attributes are the PCC=E2=80=99s business =E2=80=93 the PCE can=E2=80=99t= change them (per 5.5) and > I don=E2=80=99t think the PCE even needs to know what they are. > Agree. Removed the sentence. > 7.2 Misuses RFC 2119 language to request an action from a working group. > In other documents (when there is not already a draft in progress to do i= t) > we have reworded this as =E2=80=9Cthe YANG / MIB could be updated=E2=80= =9D etc. > Updated the text. > > Nits > > 5: =E2=80=9CExtensions to the PCEP=E2=80=9D would sound better as =E2=80= =9CPCEP Extensions=E2=80=9D > Fixed. 7: In RFC 6123 it says =E2=80=9CThe Manageability Considerations section SH= OULD be > placed immediately before the Security Considerations section in any > Internet-Draft.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 but here, it comes after. > Updated. Thanks, Rakesh _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > --0000000000001dfbba058bd8d021 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jon,

Thank you for the review comm= ents. Please see inline with <RG>...

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 5:53 AM = Jonathan Hardwick <Jonathan.Hardwick=3D40metaswitch.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
=

Hi there

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I have reviewe= d this draft for the routing directorate as part of preparing it for IETF l= ast call and IESG review.

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I was familiar= with this document from the time that I chaired the PCE working group, but= this was the first time I read it all the way through and paid attention t= o all details.=C2=A0 I found it easy to read and understand.=C2=A0 I think it is basically ready to go with a few small clarifications and ni= ts, below.

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Cheers<= /font>

Jon

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Document: draf= t-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09

Reviewer: Jon = Hardwick

Review Date: 1= 8 June 2019

IETF LC End Da= te: LC not started yet

Intended Statu= s: Standards Track

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Comments

Section 3 is s= omewhat redundant IMO.

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<RG> We can keep it = given the Figure showing the extensions unless there is a preference to remove it.


4.1 you should= ideally provide a reference for how to do MBB signalling.


<RG> Added [RFC3209].
=

4.3 =E2=80=9CS= imilarly, if a PCC gets overwhelmed due to signaling churn, it can notify t= he PCE to temporarily suspend new LSP setup requests.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0I thin= k this is covered by 5.7 as well as the PCE case, but you only refer to 5.7 for the latter. Please point to 5.7 for both cases.


<RG> Added.

5.1 Not a big = deal, but I wonder if there is any practical reason to differentiate the fi= nal two bullets.

=C2=A0

<RG> There is a prec= edence for the second bullet error message in [RFC 8231] (e.g. error-value 2). The first bullet error message = just comes from the existing behaviour without this extension.



5.6 Why are AU= TO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTES required (MUST) in the LSPA object of a PCRpt?=C2= =A0 If the LSP is PCE-initiated, then the PCE already knows what attributes= were specified.=C2=A0 If the LSP is PCC-Initiated, then the attributes are the PCC=E2=80=99s business =E2=80=93 the PCE can=E2=80=99t change them= (per 5.5) and I don=E2=80=99t think the PCE even needs to know what they a= re.


<RG> Agree. Removed the sen= tence.

=C2=A0

7.2 Misuses RF= C 2119 language to request an action from a working group.=C2=A0 In other d= ocuments (when there is not already a draft in progress to do it) we have r= eworded this as =E2=80=9Cthe YANG / MIB could be updated=E2=80=9D etc.


<RG> Updated the text.

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Nits

5: =E2=80=9CEx= tensions to the PCEP=E2=80=9D would sound better as =E2=80=9CPCEP Extension= s=E2=80=9D

=
<RG> Fixed.
=

7: In RFC 6123= it says =E2=80=9CThe Manageability Considerations section SHOULD be placed= immediately before the Security Considerations section in any Internet-Dra= ft.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 but here, it comes after.


<RG> Updated.
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Thanks,
Rakesh


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This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for MPLS-TE LSP Automatic Bandwidth Adjustment with Stateful PCE Authors : Dhruv Dhody Udayasree Palle Ravi Singh Rakesh Gandhi Luyuan Fang Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-10.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2019-06-21 Abstract: The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests. The Stateful PCE extensions allow stateful control of Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs) using PCEP. The automatic bandwidth feature allows automatic and dynamic adjustment of the TE LSP bandwidth reservation based on the volume of traffic flowing through the LSP. 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4061DD7D-A170-439E-9F52-4A52DD48743B References: , <01b501d52523$dca74350$95f5c9f0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <01b501d52523$dca74350$95f5c9f0$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4061DD7DA170439E9F524A52DD48743B_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 09:55:07 -0000 --_000_4061DD7DA170439E9F524A52DD48743B_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adrian, We have posted a new update handling the comments from you and Haomian. I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-reques= t-05 Snipping to --- Section 4 If the LSP(s) is/are already delegated to the PCE making the request, the= PCC ignores the C Flag. Doesn't this over-complicate things? Why not have the PCE always respond wi= th D set or clear depending on whether it wants to have delegated? That way= , a PCE that drops context (i.e., does it have control or not?) is able to = regain context. Or are you trying to prevent a thrash where... PCE ---> C flag D flag <--- PCC PCE ---> D flag and C flag D flag <--- PCC PCE ---> D flag and C flag etc. I see you don't give the PCE advice about not setting the C flag for LSP, i= t already has delegate control over. That would lead to... PCE ---> C flag D flag <--- PCC PCE ---> D flag -- First, we rephrased this for clarity - The PCE SHOULD NOT send control request for LSP which is already delegated to the PCE, i.e. if the D flag is set in the PCUpd message, then C flag SHOULD NOT be set. If a PCC receives a PCUpd message with D flag set in the LSP object (i.e. LSP is already delegated) and the C flag is also set (i.e. PCE is making a control request), the PCC MUST ignore the C Flag. Second, for a delegated LSP, PCE always sends PCUpd with the D flag set unl= ess it wants revocation of the delegation. Both D and C flag in PCUpd messa= ge should not be set together. We wanted to have a new flag to independentl= y indicate 'LSP control request' and not overload the existing flag. --- Section 4 It should be noted that a legacy implementation of PCC, that does not understand the C flag in PCUpd message, would simply ignore the flag (and= the request to grant control over the LSP). At the same time it would trig= ger the error condition as specified in [RFC8231] (a PCErr with Error-type= =3D19 (Invalid Operation) and error-value 1 (Attempted LSP Update Request f= or a non-delegated LSP)). I looked through 8231 and 8281 and I don't find a discussion of handling = unknown flags. What is missing in 7.2 of 8231 is "Unassigned flags MUST be = set to zero on transmission, and unknown flags MUST be ignored on receipt."= I think that without that addition to 8231, your text doesn't work. --- We rephrased this to say - It should be noted that a legacy implementation of PCC, that does not support this extension would trigger the error condition as specified in [RFC8231] (a PCErr with Error-type=3D19 (Invalid Operation) and error-value 1 (Attempted LSP Update Request for a non-delegated LSP)) as the D flag would be unset in this update request. Further, in case of PLSP-ID of 0, the error condition as specified in [RFC8231] (a PCErr with Error-type=3D19 (Invalid Operation) and error-value 3 (Attempted LSP Update Request for an LSP identified by an unknown PSP-ID)) would be triggered. So this I-D can be progressed independently, while the WG decides how to ha= ndle the missing statement in RFC 8231. Thanks for your review, Mahendra -------------------------------------------------- Mahendra Singh Negi Mahendra Mobile: +91-7204000290 Email: mahendrasingh@huawei.com From:Adrian Farrel To:'Dhruv Dhody' ;pce@ietf.org Cc:draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request@ietf.org Date:2019-06-17 21:17:02 Subject:RE: [Pce] WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 Hi, Picking up on Dhruv's request, I did a quick review as co-chair. It's after the end of WG last call, but life is full of little disappointments. Enjoy! Adrian =3D=3D=3D Please reduce to five or fewer authors on the front page or provide the shepherd with a good reason why not. --- Please expand "LSP" in the document title. --- I found the Abstract a bit hard to work through. How about... A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) retains information about the placement of MPLS-TE Label Switched Paths (LSPs). When a PCE has stateful control over LSPs it may send indications to LSP head-ends to modify the attributes (especially the paths) of the LSPs. A Path Computation Client (PCC) has set up LSPs under local configuration may delegate control of those LSPs to a stateful PCE. There are use-cases in which a stateful PCE may wish to obtain control of locally configured LSPs of which it is aware but that have not been delegated to the PCE. This document describes an extension to the Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) to enable a PCE to make such requests. --- Please expand abbreviations on first use in the body of the document (even if they have already been used in the Abstract). I found: - PCEP - TE LSP - PCC - PCE --- You need to move the block of text "Requirements Language" down to after the Introduction. Probably create a Section 2.1 for it. That is also consistent with it not being appropriate to use Requirements Language in the Introduction. (You have just one "MAY" which can safely be made lower case.) --- Section 3 s/a R/an R/ s/LSP(s)/LSPs/ OLD The LSP is identified by the LSP object. NEW The LSPs are identified by the LSP object. END --- Section 3 has... [RFC8281] defines a R (LSP-REMOVE) flag. This is true, but not very relevant. You don't mention the R flag anywhere else. Maybe just delete this? --- Section 4 OLD LSP(s) is/are NEW LSPs are END s/[RFC8231] ./[RFC8231]./ --- Section 4 If the LSP(s) is/are already delegated to the PCE making the request, the PCC ignores the C Flag. Doesn't this over-complicate things? Why not have the PCE always respond with D set or clear depending on whether it wants to have delegated? That way, a PCE that drops context (i.e., does it have control or not?) is able to regain context. Or are you trying to prevent a thrash where... PCE ---> C flag D flag <--- PCC PCE ---> D flag and C flag D flag <--- PCC PCE ---> D flag and C flag etc. I see you don't give the PCE advice about not setting the C flag for LSPs it already has delegate control over. That would lead to... PCE ---> C flag D flag <--- PCC PCE ---> D flag --- Section 4 In case multiple PCEs request control over an LSP, and if the PCC is willing to grant the control, the LSP MUST be delegated to only one PCE chosen by the PCC based on its local policy. This might be clearer as... A PCC MUST NOT delegate an LSP to more than one PCE at any time. If a PCE requests control of an LSP that has already been delegated by the PCC to another PCE, the PCE MAY ignore the request, or MAY revoke the delegation to the first PCE before delegating it to the second. This choice is a matter of local policy. --- Section 4 It should be noted that a legacy implementation of PCC, that does not understand the C flag in PCUpd message, would simply ignore the flag (and the request to grant control over the LSP). At the same time it would trigger the error condition as specified in [RFC8231] (a PCErr with Error-type=3D19 (Invalid Operation) and error-value 1 (Attempted LSP Update Request for a non-delegated LSP)). I looked through 8231 and 8281 and I don't find a discussion of handling unknown flags. What is missing in 7.2 of 8231 is "Unassigned flags MUST be set to zero on transmission, and unknown flags MUST be ignored on receipt." I think that without that addition to 8231, your text doesn't work. --- Section 6 s/vectors/vector/ --- Section 7.1 It would be good if you could help IANA correctly identify the registry you want actioned. I think this is... IANA maintains a registry called the "Path Computation Element Protocol (PCEP) Numbers" registry. It contains a subregistry called the "SRP Object Flag Field" registry. I note that the current registry reads... Value Description Reference 0-30 Unassigned [RFC8281] 31 LSP-Remove [RFC8281] ...so your proposed description for the c-bit is a bit lengthy. --- Section 8.1 There is a further policy described in the document: that of deciding which of a pair of delegation requests to honour. --- Not sure whether it belongs in 8.1 or 8.3... The PCE that sends a delegation request and doesn't get a response "may choose to retry requesting the control preferably using exponentially increasing timer." That implies a timer that should be configurable. --- Not sure whether it belongs in 8.1 or 8.3 or 7... The Security considerations section suggests dropping delegation requests if the PCC is swamped. I think you need to configure the threshold for swamping, and to recommend that the issue be logged. -----Original Message----- From: Pce On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody Sent: 17 June 2019 11:02 To: pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04 Hi WG, The WG LC ends in 2 days. We would like to see some more responses before w= e make the consensuses call. Please confirm if the document is ready to be sent to the IESG. Detailed comments are always welcome! Thanks! Dhruv On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:56 PM Dhruv Dhody wrote: > > Hi WG, > > This email starts a working group last call for > draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04. The WG LC will run for 2 weeks, till > 19th June 2019. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ > > Please indicate your support or concern for this draft. > > If you are opposed to the progression of the draft, please articulate you= r > concern. > > If you support, please indicate that you have read the latest version and > it is ready for publication. Further, explaining the importance of the work in > your opinion is appreciated. > > As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. Silence on the list= , not > so much :) > > Thanks, > Dhruv, Julien, & Adrian _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce --_000_4061DD7DA170439E9F524A52DD48743B_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adrian,

We have posted a new update handling the comments from you and Haomian.
I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/
Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-reques= t-05

Snipping to

---
Section 4

  If the LSP(s) is/are already delegated to the PCE making the request= , the PCC ignores the C Flag.
Doesn't this over-complicate things? Why not have the PCE always respond wi= th D set or clear depending on whether it wants to have delegated? That way= , a PCE that drops context (i.e., does it have control or not?) is able to = regain context.

Or are you trying to prevent a thrash where...
PCE    ---> C flag
D flag <--- PCC
PCE    ---> D flag and C flag
D flag <--- PCC
PCE    ---> D flag and C flag etc.

I see you don't give the PCE advice about not setting the C flag for LSP, i= t already has delegate control over. That would lead to...

PCE    ---> C flag
D flag <--- PCC
PCE    ---> D flag

--
First, we rephrased this for clarity -

  The PCE SHOULD
  NOT send control request for LSP which is already delegated to the   PCE, i.e. if the D flag is set in the PCUpd message, then C flag
  SHOULD NOT be set. If a PCC receives a PCUpd message with D flag set=
  in the LSP object (i.e. LSP is already delegated) and the C flag is<= br>   also set (i.e. PCE is making a control request), the PCC MUST ignore=
  the C Flag.

Second, for a delegated LSP, PCE always sends PCUpd with the D flag set unl= ess it wants revocation of the delegation. Both D and C flag in PCUpd messa= ge should not be set together. We wanted to have a new flag to independentl= y indicate 'LSP control request' and not overload the existing flag.

---
Section 4
  It should be noted that a legacy implementation of PCC, that does no= t
  understand the C flag in PCUpd message, would simply ignore the flag= (and the request to grant control over the LSP). At the same time it would= trigger the error condition as specified in [RFC8231] (a PCErr with Error-= type=3D19 (Invalid Operation) and error-value 1 (Attempted LSP Update Request for a non-delegated LSP)).

  I looked through 8231 and 8281 and I don't find a discussion of hand= ling unknown flags. What is missing in 7.2 of 8231 is "Unassigned flag= s MUST be set to zero on transmission, and unknown flags MUST be ignored on= receipt." I think that without that addition to 8231, your text doesn't work.

---
We rephrased this to say -

  It should be noted that a legacy implementation of PCC, that does no= t
  support this extension would trigger the error condition as specifie= d
  in [RFC8231] (a PCErr with Error-type=3D19 (Invalid Operation) and   error-value 1 (Attempted LSP Update Request for a non-delegated LSP)= )
  as the D flag would be unset in this update request. Further, in
  case of PLSP-ID of 0, the error condition as specified in [RFC8231]<= br>   (a PCErr with Error-type=3D19 (Invalid Operation) and error-value 3<= br>   (Attempted LSP Update Request for an LSP identified by an unknown   PSP-ID)) would be triggered.

So this I-D can be progressed independently, while the WG decides how to ha= ndle the missing statement in RFC 8231.

Thanks for your review,
Mahendra

--------------------------------------------------
Mahendra Singh Negi Mahendra
Mobile: +91-7204000290
Email: mahendrasingh@huawei.com=
From:Adrian Farrel <adrian@ol= ddog.co.uk>
To:'Dhruv Dhody' <dhruv.ietf@= gmail.com>;pce@ietf.org <pce@ietf.org>
Cc:draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-re= quest@ietf.org <draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request@ietf.org>
Date:2019-06-17 21:17:02
Subject:RE: [Pce] WG LC for draf= t-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04

Hi,

Picking up on Dhruv's request, I did a quick review as co-chair. It's
after the end of WG last call, but life is full of little
disappointments.

Enjoy!

Adrian

=3D=3D=3D

Please reduce to five or fewer authors on the front page or provide the
shepherd with a good reason why not.

---

Please expand "LSP" in the document title.

---

I found the Abstract a bit hard to work through. How about...

   A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) retains information = about
   the placement of MPLS-TE Label Switched Paths (LSPs). When a P= CE has
   stateful control over LSPs it may send indications to LSP head= -ends
   to modify the attributes (especially the paths) of the LSPs. A= Path
   Computation Client (PCC) has set up LSPs under local
   configuration may delegate control of those LSPs to a stateful= PCE.

   There are use-cases in which a stateful PCE may wish to obtain=
   control of locally configured LSPs of which it is aware but th= at have
   not been delegated to the PCE.

   This document describes an extension to the Path Computation E= lement
   communication Protocol (PCEP) to enable a PCE to make such req= uests.

---

Please expand abbreviations on first use in the body of the document
(even if they have already been used in the Abstract). I found:
- PCEP
- TE LSP
- PCC
- PCE

---

You need to move the block of text "Requirements Language" down t= o
after the Introduction. Probably create a Section 2.1 for it.

That is also consistent with it not being appropriate to use
Requirements Language in the Introduction. (You have just one "MAY&quo= t;
which can safely be made lower case.)

---

Section 3

s/a R/an R/
s/LSP(s)/LSPs/

OLD
   The LSP is identified by the LSP object.
NEW  
   The LSPs are identified by the LSP object.
END
  
---

Section 3 has...

   [RFC8281] defines a R (LSP-REMOVE) flag.

This is true, but not very relevant. You don't mention the R flag
anywhere else.

Maybe just delete this?

---

Section 4

OLD
   LSP(s) is/are
NEW
   LSPs are
END

s/[RFC8231] ./[RFC8231]./

---

Section 4

   If the LSP(s) is/are already delegated to the PCE making
   the request, the PCC ignores the C Flag.

Doesn't this over-complicate things? Why not have the PCE always
respond with D set or clear depending on whether it wants to have
delegated? That way, a PCE that drops context (i.e., does it have
control or not?) is able to regain context.

Or are you trying to prevent a thrash where...
PCE ---> C flag
            &nb= sp;       D flag <--- PCC
PCE ---> D flag and C flag
            &nb= sp;       D flag <--- PCC
PCE ---> D flag and C flag
            &nb= sp;   etc.
  
I see you don't give the PCE advice about not setting the C flag for
LSPs it already has delegate control over. That would lead to...

PCE ---> C flag
            &nb= sp;       D flag <--- PCC
PCE ---> D flag

---

Section 4

   In case multiple PCEs request control over an LSP, and if the = PCC is
   willing to grant the control, the LSP MUST be delegated to onl= y one
   PCE chosen by the PCC based on its local policy.

This might be clearer as...

   A PCC MUST NOT delegate an LSP to more than one PCE at any tim= e.  If
   a PCE requests control of an LSP that has already been delegat= ed by
   the PCC to another PCE, the PCE MAY ignore the request, or MAY= revoke
   the delegation to the first PCE before delegating it to the se= cond.
   This choice is a matter of local policy.

---

Section 4

   It should be noted that a legacy implementation of PCC, that d= oes not
   understand the C flag in PCUpd message, would simply ignore th= e flag
   (and the request to grant control over the LSP).  At the = same time it
   would trigger the error condition as specified in [RFC8231] (a= PCErr
   with Error-type=3D19 (Invalid Operation) and error-value 1 (At= tempted
   LSP Update Request for a non-delegated LSP)).

I looked through 8231 and 8281 and I don't find a discussion of handling unknown flags. What is missing in 7.2 of 8231 is "Unassigned flags MUS= T
be set to zero on transmission, and unknown flags MUST be ignored on
receipt." I think that without that addition to 8231, your text doesn'= t
work.

---

Section 6

s/vectors/vector/

---

Section 7.1

It would be good if you could help IANA correctly identify the registry
you want actioned. I think this is...

   IANA maintains a registry called the "Path Computation El= ement
   Protocol (PCEP) Numbers" registry.  It contains a su= bregistry called
   the "SRP Object Flag Field" registry.

I note that the current registry reads...

   Value Description Reference
   0-30  Unassigned  [RFC8281]
    31   LSP-Remove  [RFC8281]

...so your proposed description for the c-bit is a bit lengthy.

---

Section 8.1

There is a further policy described in the document: that of deciding
which of a pair of delegation requests to honour.

---

Not sure whether it belongs in 8.1 or 8.3...
The PCE that sends a delegation request and doesn't get a response "ma= y
choose to retry requesting the control preferably using exponentially
increasing timer." That implies a timer that should be configurable.
---

Not sure whether it belongs in 8.1 or 8.3 or 7...
The Security considerations section suggests dropping delegation
requests if the PCC is swamped. I think you need to configure the
threshold for swamping, and to recommend that the issue be logged.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pce <pce-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: 17 June 2019 11:02
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pce] WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04

Hi WG,

The WG LC ends in 2 days. We would like to see some more responses before w= e
make the consensuses call. Please confirm if the document is ready to be sent
to the IESG. Detailed comments are always welcome!

Thanks!
Dhruv

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:56 PM Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wro= te:
>
> Hi WG,
>
> This email starts a working group last call for
> draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-04. The WG LC will run for 2 weeks,=
till
> 19th June 2019.
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ >
> Please indicate your support or concern for this draft.
>
> If you are opposed to the progression of the draft, please articulate = your
> concern.
>
> If you support, please indicate that you have read the latest version = and
> it is ready for publication. Further, explaining the importance of the=
work in
> your opinion is appreciated.
>
> As always, review comments and nits are most welcome. Silence on the l= ist,
not
> so much :)
>
> Thanks,
> Dhruv, Julien, & Adrian

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Name: draft-farrel-pce-stateful-flags Revision: 00 Title: Updated Rules for Processing Stateful PCE Request Parameters = Flags Document date: 2019-06-24 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 5 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-farrel-pce-stateful-flags-00.t= xt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-pce-stateful-flags/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrel-pce-stateful-flags-00 Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrel-pce-stateful-flags Abstract: Extensions to the Path Computation Element communications Protocol (PCEP) to support stateful Path Computation Elements (PCEs) are defined in RFC 8231. One of the extensions is the Stateful PCE Request Parameters (SRP) object. That object includes a Flags field that is a set of 32 bit flags, and RFC 8281 defines an IANA registry for tracking assigned flags. However, RFC 8231 does not explain how an implementation should set unassigned flags in transmitted messages, nor how an implementation should process unassigned, unknown, or unsupported flags in received messages. This document updates RFC 8231 by defining the correct behaviors. = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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At this stage we need to make sure that I-D is in good enough state as a base of further work by the WG if adopted. (1) 6 authors on the front page, better to handle this now itself, rather than much later in the process. (2) Add Implementation Status as per the WG policy. I assume there are implementations of this work? (3) Start work on the 'Manageability Considerations' section. Currently it is marked TBD. (4) This document includes details about reporting BSID for a path. What happens when PCE creates a SR path (SR-ERO) that includes a BSID. This detail is currently missing, we need to a clarity on how to encode a BSID in SR-ERO and the best place is this document. My guess would be to say no NAI in case of BSID in SR-ERO and confirm how the flags should be set for both SR-MPLS and SRv6. (5) Add reference to Section 6.4 of [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy] for non-SR use of BSID. (6) Why use 'label/SID' in this I-D? Please check in spring what would be the best practice can it just be SID? (7) Security Consideration is bit week. You have a way for PCE to assign BSID and this needs to be analysed for potential exploitation. (8) Update Section 6.1.1 to include SRv6 (9) Remove this sentence from section 1 - "However, use of this TLV for carrying non-MPLS binding SID will be described in separate document(s)."; as you support SRv6. Similarly, reword section 3, 2nd paragraph. Note that these are non-blocking comments for WG adoption but it would be great, if the authors publish a revision handling these. Thanks! 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pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 15:42:25 -0000 --000000000000752714058c13a8aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi WG, The PCE WG session in Montreal is tentatively scheduled for Thursday Morning session I [1]. If you need some face-to-face time to progress some work, please send a slot request to the chairs by Monday July 8th including: - the draft(s) you want to discuss, - the expected presenter name, - the requested duration, including question time as part of the slot, - the reason why you want to be on the agenda; What do you want to achieve? Why is a presentation necessary to achieve it? Please note - Asking for a slot does not mean you will get one. We will be prioritizing moving WG work first as well as drafts that were discussed on the mailing list. Please make sure to introduce your new draft or summarize an update in the mailing list. The last date to submit drafts is also July 8th [2]. Thanks! PCE Chairs & Secretary [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/agenda.html [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/important-dates/ --000000000000752714058c13a8aa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi WG,

The PCE WG = session in Montreal is tentatively scheduled for Thursday
Mor= ning session I [1]. If you need some face-to-face time to progress
some work, please send a slot request to the chairs by Monday July8th including:
- the draft(s) you want to discuss= ,
- the expected presenter name,
- the requeste= d duration, including question time as part of the slot,
- th= e reason why you want to be on the agenda; What do you want to
achieve? Why is a presentation necessary to achieve it?
Please note - Asking for a slot does not mean you will get one.= We
will be prioritizing=C2=A0moving WG work first as well as= drafts that were
discussed on the mailing list. Please make = sure to introduce your new
draft or summarize an update in th= e mailing list. The last date to
submit drafts is also July 8= th [2].

Thanks!
PCE Chairs &= Secretary

[1]=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/agenda.html
[2]=C2=A0https://datatracker= .ietf.org/meeting/important-dates/
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Header:
In general should we use "Stateful PC= E" or "stateful PCE" ? I see in RFC 8231 we use "Statef= ul PCE"=C2=A0

OLD:
Ability fo= r a stateful Path Computation Element (PCE)

NE= W:
Ability for a Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE)=

--------
Abstract:
OLD:
A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE)

NEW:
A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE)

-------------
Section 4:
= To make it more clear, it would be good = to state that C and D flags are mutually exclusive in PCUpd message.=

OLD:
The PCE SHOULD NOT send cont=
rol request for LSP which is already delegated to the
PCE, i.e. if the D flag is set in the PCUpd message, then C flag SHOULD NOT=
 be set.

NEW:
The D Flag and C Flag are mutually exclusive in PCUpd message.=
 The PCE SHOULD NOT 
send control reques=
t for LSP which is already delegated to thePCE, i.e. if 
the D flag is set in the PCUpd message, then C flag SHOULD=
 NOT be set. 

--------------
I dont see Adrian's sugg=
estion being implemented in Section 8 in the latest draft. It would be good=
 to have this apart from the Security Considerations.<=
/pre>

SUGGESTED:
No=
t sure whether it belongs in 8.1 or 8.3 or 7...
The Security considerations section suggests dropping delegation=20
requests if the PCC is swamped. I think you need to configure the=20
threshold for swamping, and to recommend that the issue be logged.
IMPLEMENTED:
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Thanks,
Hari
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On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 6:31 PM Hariharan Ananthakrishnan wrote: > ------- > Header: > In general should we use "Stateful PCE" or "stateful PCE" ? I see in RFC > 8231 we use "Stateful PCE" > > OLD: > Ability for a stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) > > NEW: > Ability for a Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) > > -------- > Abstract: > OLD: > A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) > > NEW: > A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) > > ------------- > Section 4: > To make it more clear, it would be good to state that C and D flags are > mutually exclusive in PCUpd message. > > OLD: > > The PCE SHOULD NOT send control request for LSP which is already delegated to the > PCE, i.e. if the D flag is set in the PCUpd message, then C flag SHOULD NOT be set. > > > NEW: > > The D Flag and C Flag are mutually exclusive in PCUpd message. The PCE SHOULD NOT > > send control request for LSP which is already delegated to thePCE, i.e. if > > the D flag is set in the PCUpd message, then C flag SHOULD NOT be set. > > > -------------- > > I dont see Adrian's suggestion being implemented in Section 8 in the latest draft. It would be good to have this apart from the Security Considerations. > > > SUGGESTED: > > Not sure whether it belongs in 8.1 or 8.3 or 7... > The Security considerations section suggests dropping delegation > requests if the PCC is swamped. I think you need to configure the > threshold for swamping, and to recommend that the issue be logged. > > IMPLEMENTED: > > ----------------- > > Thanks, > Hari > > --000000000000fa656e058c1bfe8b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Mon, Ju= n 24, 2019 at 6:31 PM Hariharan Ananthakrishnan <hari@netflix.com> wrote:
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Header:
In general sho= uld we use "Stateful PCE" or "stateful PCE" ? I see in = RFC 8231 we use "Stateful PCE"=C2=A0

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Ability for= a stateful Path Computation Element (PCE)

Ability for a St= ateful Path Computation Element (PCE)

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A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE)=

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A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE)

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Section 4:
To ma= ke it more clear, it would be good to state that C and D flags are mutually= exclusive in PCUpd message.

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The D Flag and C Flag are mut=
ually exclusive in PCUpd message. The PCE SHOULD NOT 
send control request for LSP which=
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the D flag is set in the PCUpd message, then C=
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Hari
--000000000000fa656e058c1bfe8b-- From nobody Tue Jun 25 00:24:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1ECB120077; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 00:24:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: pce@ietf.org Message-ID: <156144746450.23051.4779958882201917479@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 00:24:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-06.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 07:24:25 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : Ability for a Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) to request and obtain control of a Label Switched Path (LSP) Authors : Aswatnarayan Raghuram Al Goddard Jay Karthik Siva Sivabalan Mahendra Singh Negi Filename : draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-06.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2019-06-25 Abstract: A Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) retains information about the placement of Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs). When a PCE has stateful control over LSPs it may send indications to LSP head-ends to modify the attributes (especially the paths) of the LSPs. A Path Computation Client (PCC) has set up LSPs under local configuration may delegate control of those LSPs to a stateful PCE. There are use-cases in which a stateful PCE may wish to obtain control of locally configured LSPs of which it is aware but that have not been delegated to the PCE. This document describes an extension to the Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) to enable a PCE to make such requests. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request/ From nobody Wed Jun 26 21:28:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9014B120154; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:28:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TmoUNjrqzibG; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE36A1200B5; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 9491BB81CEE; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:28:43 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, drafts-update-ref@iana.org, pce@ietf.org Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20190627042843.9491BB81CEE@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 21:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] =?utf-8?q?RFC_8623_on_Stateful_Path_Computation_Element_?= =?utf-8?q?=28PCE=29_Protocol_Extensions_for_Usage_with_Point-to-Multipoin?= =?utf-8?q?t_TE_Label_Switched_Paths_=28LSPs=29?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:28:49 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8623 Title: Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) Protocol Extensions for Usage with Point-to-Multipoint TE Label Switched Paths (LSPs) Author: U. Palle, D. Dhody, Y. Tanaka, V. Beeram Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: June 2019 Mailbox: udayasreereddy@gmail.com, dhruv.ietf@gmail.com, yosuke.tanaka@ntt.com, vbeeram@juniper.net Pages: 33 Characters: 71719 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-p2mp-13.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8623 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8623 The Path Computation Element (PCE) has been identified as an appropriate technology for the determination of the paths of point- to-multipoint (P2MP) TE Label Switched Paths (LSPs). This document provides extensions required for the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) so as to enable the usage of a stateful PCE capability in supporting P2MP TE LSPs. This document is a product of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Fri Jun 28 06:26:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6451200EC; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 06:26:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.29 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.29 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6WCYtv9lzYd2; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 06:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-inet.orange.com [80.12.70.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BA1112004A; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 06:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr07.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.71]) by opfednr25.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45ZyGL4qfPzCrg8; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:26:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme6.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.13.51]) by opfednr07.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45ZyGL3xr1zFpWb; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:26:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.193.71.104] (10.114.13.247) by OPEXCAUBM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup (10.114.13.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.439.0; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:26:34 +0200 To: Benjamin Kaduk CC: Adrian Farrel , 'The IESG' , , , References: <155498315544.12722.1073746104492266680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <046301d4f061$646ee470$2d4cad50$@olddog.co.uk> <20190411184842.GN18549@kduck.mit.edu> From: Organization: Orange Message-ID: <13331_1561728394_5D16158A_13331_219_1_5b5e922c-95a9-7a13-4c15-507ede8927e4@orange.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:26:33 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190411184842.GN18549@kduck.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Originating-IP: [10.114.13.247] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 13:26:53 -0000 Hi Ben, Apologies for the late response. Let us focus on your first DISCUSS comment which is the main one. You raised a legitimate point that we acknowledge. After discussion, we propose to modify the end of section 2.4 as follows: OLD The semantic of the LOAD-BALANCING object is not changed. If a PCC requests the computation of a set of TE-LSPs so that the total of their generalized bandwidth is X, the maximum number of TE-LSPs is N, and each TE-LSP must at least have a bandwidth of B, it inserts a BANDWIDTH object specifying X as the required bandwidth and a LOAD- BALANCING object with the Max-LSP and Min Bandwidth Spec fields set to N and B, respectively. NEW    The semantic of the LOAD-BALANCING object is not changed.  When the    bandwidth can be expressed as scalars (e.g., for circuit-switched    technologies), if a PCC requests the computation of a set of TE-LSPs    so that the total of their generalized bandwidth is X, the maximum    number of TE-LSPs is N, and each TE-LSP must at least have a    bandwidth of B, it inserts a BANDWIDTH object specifying X as the    required bandwidth and a LOAD-BALANCING object with the Max-LSP and    Min Bandwidth Spec fields set to N and B, respectively.    For technologies based on statistical multiplexing (e.g., InterServ,    Ethernet), the exact bandwidth management (e.g., Ethernet's Excessive    Rate) is left to the PCE's policies, according to the operator's    configuration. If required, further documents may introduce a new    mechanism to finely express complex load balancing policies within    PCEP. Would that update address that part of your DISCUSS? (The remaining parts will be straightforward once this one is resolved.) Thank you, Julien On 11/04/2019 20:48, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 01:23:37PM +0100, Adrian Farrel wrote: >> As a general response, Ben, I would say that PCEP is only catching up with GMPLS in this document. Thus, everything it is doing wrt bandwidth has been built for some while in GMPLS RSVP-TE implementations. >> >> It is probable that more careful references to the GMPLS signalling RFCs would address some of your points. Specifically RFC 3473 and RFC 7025. But I think section 2.3 already does this, so I'm not quite sure where to make this clarification. > (I only see it referencing 7025 but not 3473.) > > And it looks like only the LOAD-BALANCING object, that tries to enforce > that the component TE-LSPs each contribute some minmium bandwidth, is > going to require much thinking. Any other text changes on this point ought > to be fairly mechanical. > >> FWIW, I have never heard of anyone applying Intserv approaches to GMPLS. Reservations are not statistical, and in most cases the resources are physical quantities and assigned directly. > My main complaint here is that we're going from a scalar bandwidth number, > that can use regular arithmetic comparisons (trichotomy) and have a clear > sense of whether a minimum threshold value is achieved, to a more > complicated structure (a mathematician might think of it as a vector > space), where we no longer have a single clear metric or trichotomy > comparison between different vectors in the space. If we said that, even > though the generalized bandwidth structure is this larger "vector" thing, > the load-balancing object was going to still just use a single scalar for > minimum bandwidth (and we defined how to compute the scalar bandwidth from > a given generalized bandwidth structure/vector), this issue would > evaporate. The problem arises when we take the same generalized bandwidth > structure and try to use it (the structure/vector) as the minimum threshold > value. Do I compare the components piece by piece and require each > individual component to surpass the stated minimum? That is well-defined > in a procedural sense but may not make practical sense for all the > generalized bandwidth structures defined now or in the future. > > -Ben > >> Cheers, >> Adrian >> >> -------------- >> >> This document makes some well-needed extensions to existing PCEP >> concepts such as bandwidth, but I'm not convinced that the way they >> interact with existing PCEP functionality is sufficiently well specified >> to admit interoperable implementation. Specifically, we introduce the >> generalized bandwidth structures and reuse that encoding for the >> generalized load balancing structures, which includes a notion of >> "minimum bandwidth specification". But now that the bandwidth >> specification is a compound data structure instead of a scalar type, >> it's not guaranteed that we have a strict linear ordering with >> well-defined minimum. If we consider the specific case of Intserv, do I >> insist upon all three of the minimum bucket rate, minimum bucket size, >> and minimum peak data rate? Or perhaps I only care about the peak data >> rate and not the bucket size/rate. We need more text in order to >> specify what "minimum" actually means/measures. >> >> Similarly, I'm not sure all the referenced generalized bandwidth >> types/traffic parameters in Section 2.3 clearly indicate which >> structures/fields we are to incorporate by reference (see COMMENT). >> >> Section 2.1.2 says: >> >> GMPLS-CAPABILITY TLV it is RECOMMENDED that the PCC does not make use >> of the objects and TLVs defined in this document. >> >> Why is this not "the PCC MUST NOT make use of the objects and TLVs >> defined in this document"? Ignoring the peer's (non-)advertisement and >> plowing ahead seems like a recipe for non-interoperability. >> >> Section 2.5.1 notes that: >> >> ::= >> [] >> [ []]... >> >> >> For endpoint type Point-to-Multipoint, several endpoint objects MAY >> be present in the message and each represents a leave, exact meaning >> depend on the endpoint type defined of the object. >> >> If all s represent leaves, then how is the head node >> specified? >> >> I couldn't find a full spcification for some of the fields in the XRO >> Label subobject (Section 2.7) by chasing the indicated references (see >> COMMENT). >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Section 1 >> >> Please expand OTN and WSON on first use. >> >> Section 1.4 >> >> It's very unclear to me what kind of support, from/by what entities/data >> structures, under what conditions, these tables are attempting to >> indicate. >> >> We should probably be consistent whether we talk about just "FOO" or >> "FOO object" as the hanging text for these bulleted lists. >> >> From [RFC8282]: >> >> o SWITCH-LAYER: address requirements (1, 2 and 3) for the TE-LSP and >> indicates which layer(s) should be considered, can be used to >> represent the RSVP-TE generalized label request. [...] >> >> nit: this looks like a comma splice. >> >> The PCEP extensions defined later in this document to cover the gap >> are: >> >> Two new object types are introduced for the BANDWIDTH object >> (Generalized bandwidth, Generalized bandwidth of existing TE-LSP >> for which a reoptimization is requested). >> >> I'm confused by this language "new object types are introduced for the >> BANDWIDTH object". My understanding was that objects did not nest: that >> is, objects have a given structure and can sometimes contain TLVs, but >> do not contain other objects. So, my current understanding is that new >> objects are introduced that can appear where the BANDWIDTH object would >> previously have appeared, but they are separate object (type)s from the >> RFC 5440 BANDWIDTH objects. (This language is used in the next couple >> items as well.) To be clear, this is at most an editorial >> consideration, essentially whether to use "introduced for" or something >> like "introduced akin to". >> >> Section 2.1.2 >> >> If the PCE does not >> include the GMPLS-CAPABILITY TLV in the OPEN message and the PCC does >> include the TLV, it is RECOMMENDED that the PCC indicates a mismatch >> of capabilities. Moreover, in case that the PCC does not receive the >> >> Indicate how, to whom? >> >> Section 2.2 >> >> This granularity applies to all links in the path, right? So I can't >> request label-level granularity for one hop and indicate that I only >> care about node-level granularity for the other hops? >> >> Section 2.3 >> >> [similar comments apply here to what I mentioned at the end of Section >> 1.4] >> >> The Bw Spec Type correspond to the RSVP-TE SENDER_TSPEC (Object Class >> 12) C-Types >> >> Should we ask IANA to update the SENDER_TSPEC registry to note that it >> is used for PCEP as well as RSVP? >> >> The encoding of the fields Generalized Bandwidth and Reverse >> Generalized Bandwidth is the same as the Traffic Parameters carried >> in RSVP-TE, it can be found in the following references. >> >> Object Type Name Reference >> >> 2 Intserv [RFC2210] >> 4 SONET/SDH [RFC4606] >> 5 G.709 [RFC4328] >> 6 Ethernet [RFC6003] >> 7 OTN-TDM [RFC7139] >> 8 SSON [RFC7792] >> >> It's quite confusing to have the table heading be just "object type" >> when this is the value in the field named "Bw Spec Type" and corresponds >> to class type values in the SENDER_TSPEC registry. >> >> Also, I looked up the Intserv case, and RFC 2210 doesn't really give me >> a clear picture of what I'm supposed to encode as the "transport >> parameters". I think it's supposed to be the 12-octet assembly >> consisting of the token bucket rate, token bucket size, and peak data >> rate, but I have very low confidence in that assessment. On the other >> hand, RFC 4606 has a very nice data structure layout in Section 2.1, >> "SONET/SDH Traffic Parameters". On the gripping hand, there's not a >> clear "bandwidth" number in that structure that I can apply a comparison >> to for load-balancing purposes. It doesn't look like I'll have time to >> check the other four cases right now, but that will need to be done >> before final publication. >> >> Section 2.4 >> >> I'm having trouble parsing: >> >> The LOAD-BALANCING object [RFC5440] is used to request a set of >> maximum Max-LSP TE-LSP having in total the bandwidth specified in >> BANDWIDTH, each TE-LSP having a minimum of bandwidth. >> >> Is it intended to read: >> >> The LOAD-BALANCING object [RFC5440] is used to request allocation of a set of >> at most Max-LSP TE-LSPs, having in total the bandwidth specified in >> BANDWIDTH, with each TE-LSP having at least a specified minimum bandwidth. >> >> ? >> >> [similar comments apply here to what I mentioned at the end of Section >> 1.4] >> >> Bandwidth Spec Length (16 bits): the total length of the Min >> Bandwidth Spec field. It is to be noted that the RSVP-TE traffic >> specification MAY also include TLV different from the PCEP TLVs. The >> length MUST be strictly greater than 0. >> >> It's not entirely clear to me why the note about different TLVs in >> RSVP-TE and PCEP belongs here. >> >> Section 2.5.1 >> >> Endpoints label restriction may not be part of the RRO or >> IRO, they can be included when following [RFC4003] in signaling for >> egress endpoint, but ingress endpoint properties can be local to the >> PCC and not signaled. [...] >> >> nit: the first comma looks like a comma splice. >> >> A PCE not supporting a given Endpoint Type SHOULD >> respond with a PCErr with Error Type 4, Value TBD "Unsupported >> endpoint type in END-POINTS Generalized Endpoint object type". [...] >> >> s/TBD/TBA-15/ >> >> The TLVs present in the >> request object body MUST follow the following [RFC5511] grammar: >> >> It feels a bit like a type error to use RBNF to describe the layout >> of TLVs within a TLV block, as RBNF acts on objects. >> >> Section 2.5.2.4 >> >> The LABEL-REQUEST TLV indicates the switching capability and encoding >> type of the following label restriction list for the endpoint. Its >> format and encoding is the same as described in [RFC3471] Section 3.1 >> Generalized label request. [...] >> >> Presumably the "Its" refers to just the value portion of the TLV? >> That should probably be stated explicitly. >> >> Section 2.5.2.5 >> >> Is there any reason for the section title to not be "LABEL-SET TLV" for >> consistency with the other sections? >> >> A LABEL-SET TLV represents a set of possible labels that can be used >> on an interface. If the L bit is cleared, the label allocated on the >> first endpoint MUST be within the label set range. [...] >> >> Is this MUST binding on the PCC that generates a request, or on the >> computed LSP returned by the PCE? >> >> A LABEL-SET TLV with the O and L bit set MUST trigger a PCErr message >> with error type="Reception of an invalid object" error value="Wrong >> LABEL-SET TLV present with O and L bit set". >> >> A LABEL-SET TLV with the O bit set and an Action Field not set to 0 >> (Inclusive list) or containing more than one subchannel MUST trigger >> a PCErr message with error type="Reception of an invalid object" >> error value="Wrong LABEL-SET TLV present with O bit and wrong >> format". >> >> If a LABEL-SET TLV is present with O bit set, the R bit of the RP >> object MUST be set, otherwise a PCErr message MUST be sent with error >> type="Reception of an invalid object" error value="LABEL-SET TLV >> present with O bit set but without R bit set in RP". >> >> nit: I don't know if it makes more sense to use the TBA-25, TBA-26, and >> TBA-24 values in these descriptions. >> >> Section 2.6 >> >> The IRO as defined in [RFC5440] is used to include specific objects >> in the path. RSVP-TE allows to include label definition, in order to >> fulfill requirement 13 of [RFC7025] the IRO needs to support the new >> subobject type as defined in [RFC3473]: >> >> nit: this looks like a comma splice. (A similar construction appears in >> Section 2.7 as well.) >> >> Section 2.7 >> >> U (1 bit): see [RFC3471]. >> >> C-Type (8 bits): the C-Type of the included Label Object as >> defined in [RFC3471]. >> >> Label: see [RFC3471]. >> >> Sorry, where exactly in RFC 3471? I do not see discussion of a U bit >> or C-Type therein. (Perhaps RFC 3473 was intended? Though, RFC 3473 >> seems to refer back to 3471 for the U parameter, again without section >> reference.) >> >> Section 6 >> >> It seems that a malicious PCC might be able to effect a denial of >> service attack on the PCE by attempting to make many requests that >> consume lots of resources (whether on the PCE itself or in the managed >> network elements). >> >> In addition Technology specific data plane mechanism >> can be used (following [RFC5920] Section 5.8) to verify the data >> plane connectivity and deviation from constraints. >> >> nit: "In addition, technology-specific" >> >> Appendix A >> >> It's not entirely clear to me why this specific group of examples was >> chosen and no others. (The appendix does not seem to be referenced from >> elsewhere in the document, so it appears fairly random to a reader >> making it that far.) >> >> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. 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From nobody Fri Jun 28 08:23:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E6D1202B7; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:23:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.29 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.29 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hRpb3I3ZKvnV; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-inet.orange.com [80.12.66.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFA311202BA; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar03.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.5]) by opfedar21.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45b0sF2NNjz7yk8; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme6.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.13.51]) by opfedar03.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 45b0sF1VYpzCqkc; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.193.71.104] (10.114.13.247) by OPEXCAUBM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup (10.114.13.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.439.0; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:23:29 +0200 From: Organization: Orange To: "draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org" CC: "pce@ietf.org" Message-ID: <27633_1561735409_5D1630F1_27633_206_1_6625dc22-f403-4359-685b-73c79f6bb93b@orange.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:23:28 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Originating-IP: [10.114.13.247] Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Shepherd Review of draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-07 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:23:32 -0000 Hi authors, Please find below my detailed comments on draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity. I originally started to review -06. Thanks for posting -07 after Dhruv's comments, as it addressed some on mine as well. The main technical concern lies in section 4.6, in case no solution is found by the PCE. Section 4.3, about SVEC, relies on PCRep with NO-PATH, which is consistent with existing PCEP specification. IMHO, section 4.6 is confusing and incomplete. What about the following? OLD    [...] the PCE SHOULD    reply with a PCUpd message containing an empty ERO.  In addition to    the empty ERO Object, the PCE MAY add the NO-PATH-VECTOR TLV [...] NEW     [...] the PCE MUST    reply to a request (PCEReq) with a PCRep message containing a NO-PATH    object. In case of network event leading to an impossible strict    disjointness, the PCE SHOULD send a PCUpd message containing an empty    ERO to the corresponding PCCs. In addition to the NO-PATH or the    empty ERO object, the PCE MAY add the NO-PATH-VECTOR TLV [...] Complementary question: why an optional behavior (SHOULD) instead of mandatory (MUST)? Nits: ------ Global and usual nit: the flag name. The I-D has a collection of X flag/X-flag/X-Flag/flag X/etc that needs consistency. Many PCEP documents use "X flag". ------ Title --- - s/communication Protocol (PCEP) extension for signaling LSP diversity constraint/Communication Protocol (PCEP) Extension for LSP Diversity Constraint Signaling/ ------ Abstract --- - s/Communication Protocol/communication Protocol/ - s/knows that LSPs in the same group/knows that the LSPs in the same group/ - s/needs to/need to/ ------ 2. Terminology --- - s/Communication Protocol/communication Protocol/ ------ 3.  Motivation --- - s/above, consider that/above, let us consider that/ - s/difficult. Whereas, computation/difficult, whereas computation/ - s/These messages uses/These messages use/ - s/the disjoint path computation/a disjoint path computation/ - s/disjoint group-ids/disjoint group IDs/ - s/should allow to overcome/allows to overcome/ - s/association source could/the association source could/ ------ 4. Protocol extension --- - s/Protocol extension/Protocol Extension/ - s/Association group/Association Group/ - s/TLVs - Global Association Source or Extended Association ID are included/TLVs - Global Association Source or Extended Association ID - are included/ - s/to uniquely identifying/to uniquely identify/ - s/Association object -/Association object:/ - s/[I-D.ietf-pce-association-group] specify/[I-D.ietf-pce-association-group] specifies/ - s/in the PCEP messages/in PCEP messages/ - s/Refer [I-D.ietf-pce-association-group]/Refer to [I-D.ietf-pce-association-group]/ - s/more LSPs. But a PCE/more LSPs, but a PCE/ - s/in how many LSPs/in the number of LSPs/ - s/vendor specific behavioral information/vendor-specific behavioral information/ - OLD          When unset, PCE is allowed to relax disjointness          by using either applying a requested objective function or any          other behavior if no objective function is requested (e.g.:          using a lower disjoint type (link instead of node) or relaxing          disjointness constraint fully)   NEW          When unset, the PCE is allowed to relax disjointness          by either applying a requested objective function (cf. section          4.4 below) or using any other behavior if no objective function          is requested (e.g. using a lower disjoint type (link instead of          node) or fully relaxing disjointness constraint). - s/The flags  L, N, and S/The L, N and S flags/ - s/The flag P/The P flag/ - s/the flag T/the T flag/ - s/both SVEC and ASSOCIATION object/both SVEC and ASSOCIATION objects/ - s/in SVEC object/in the SVEC object/ - s/with NO-PATH object/with a NO-PATH object/ - s/Disjointness objective functions/Disjointness Objective Functions/ - s/The PCEP OF-List TLV allow/Whereas the PCEP OF-List TLV allows/ - s/Incompatible OF codes/Incompatible OF code/ - s/listed below -/listed below:/ - The last example at the end of section 4.4 shows that the specification doesn't prohibit redundant constraints. I would be nice to add a sentence explicitly stating that in the previous paragraph. - s/P-flag considerations/P Flag Considerations/ - s/fulfill the customer requirement/fulfill customer's requirements/ - s/Consider, this customer/Let us consider that this customer/ - s/( and/(and/ - s/allows a simple expression that/allows to simply express that/ - s/If PE->PE2/If PE1->PE2/ - Many P-flag/P-Flag to be fixed in section 4.5. - s/Disjointness computation issues/Disjointness Computation Issues/ - s/T-bit/T flag/  [x2] ------ 5. Security Considerations --- - s/which do not/which does not/ - s/defines following new PCEP TLVs/defines the following new PCEP TLVs/ - s/PCEP-ERROR codes/PCEP-ERROR Codes/ - s/defines new Error-Type and Error-Value/defines new Error-Value within existing Error-Type/ - s/Incompatible OF codes/Incompatible OF code/ ------ 8. 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From nobody Fri Jun 28 15:59:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEFD12093F; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:57:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: pce@ietf.org, db3546@att.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <156176267105.11015.9170343222655569548.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:57:51 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] pce - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 105 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 22:57:53 -0000 Dear Dhruv Dhody, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. pce Session 1 (2:00 requested) Thursday, 25 July 2019, Morning Session I 1000-1200 Room Name: Centre Ville size: 200 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/sessions/pce.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Path Computation Element Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Dhruv Dhody Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 75 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: spring mpls teas ccamp Second Priority: idr lsr rtgarea detnet Third Priority: bier bess netconf netmod sfc rtgwg pals opsawg panrg People who must be present: Deborah Brungard Julien Meuric Dhruv Dhody Resources Requested: Special Requests: Do not schedule against RTG area BOF (if any) --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Jun 28 17:51:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F437120965; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:51:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0vqBWPcDzJ1G; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1EC91202F1; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id x5T0pQ79019058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 28 Jun 2019 20:51:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 19:51:25 -0500 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: julien.meuric@orange.com Cc: Adrian Farrel , "'The IESG'" , draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org, pce@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190629005125.GG10013@kduck.mit.edu> References: <155498315544.12722.1073746104492266680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <046301d4f061$646ee470$2d4cad50$@olddog.co.uk> <20190411184842.GN18549@kduck.mit.edu> <13331_1561728394_5D16158A_13331_219_1_5b5e922c-95a9-7a13-4c15-507ede8927e4@orange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <13331_1561728394_5D16158A_13331_219_1_5b5e922c-95a9-7a13-4c15-507ede8927e4@orange.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 00:51:37 -0000 Hi Julien, On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 03:26:33PM +0200, julien.meuric@orange.com wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Apologies for the late response. I probably wouldn't have been able to reply much before now anyway -- I've been quite busy (and have some other documents' authors waiting for feedback as well). > Let us focus on your first DISCUSS comment which is the main one. You > raised a legitimate point that we acknowledge. After discussion, we > propose to modify the end of section 2.4 as follows: > > OLD > > The semantic of the LOAD-BALANCING object is not changed. If a PCC > requests the computation of a set of TE-LSPs so that the total of > their generalized bandwidth is X, the maximum number of TE-LSPs is N, > and each TE-LSP must at least have a bandwidth of B, it inserts a > BANDWIDTH object specifying X as the required bandwidth and a LOAD- > BALANCING object with the Max-LSP and Min Bandwidth Spec fields set > to N and B, respectively. > > NEW > > The semantic of the LOAD-BALANCING object is not changed. When the > bandwidth can be expressed as scalars (e.g., for circuit-switched > technologies), if a PCC requests the computation of a set of TE-LSPs > so that the total of their generalized bandwidth is X, the maximum > number of TE-LSPs is N, and each TE-LSP must at least have a > bandwidth of B, it inserts a BANDWIDTH object specifying X as the > required bandwidth and a LOAD-BALANCING object with the Max-LSP and > Min Bandwidth Spec fields set to N and B, respectively. > > For technologies based on statistical multiplexing (e.g., InterServ, > Ethernet), the exact bandwidth management (e.g., Ethernet's Excessive > Rate) is left to the PCE's policies, according to the operator's > configuration. If required, further documents may introduce a new > mechanism to finely express complex load balancing policies within > PCEP. > > > Would that update address that part of your DISCUSS? (The remaining > parts will be straightforward once this one is resolved.) I seem to have forgotten some of the details of what fields are in the various objects, but let's see what I can say regardless of that. I think the general approach of specifying behavior when there's an obvious scalar bandwidth and leaving the choice to the PCE in other cases is a good approach. For the specifics, we probably don't want to say "when the bandwidth can be expressed as a scalar" and "for technologies based on statistical multiplexing" just in case there ends up being some third category, so the second paragraph could start off as something like "In all other cases, including for technologies based on statistical multiplexing [...]". It also seems like for the first case, we would be able to use the un-modified RFC 5440 BANDWIDTH and not need the generalized form? But perhaps I misremember/misunderstand... Thanks, Ben > > > On 11/04/2019 20:48, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 01:23:37PM +0100, Adrian Farrel wrote: > >> As a general response, Ben, I would say that PCEP is only catching up with GMPLS in this document. Thus, everything it is doing wrt bandwidth has been built for some while in GMPLS RSVP-TE implementations. > >> > >> It is probable that more careful references to the GMPLS signalling RFCs would address some of your points. Specifically RFC 3473 and RFC 7025. But I think section 2.3 already does this, so I'm not quite sure where to make this clarification. > > (I only see it referencing 7025 but not 3473.) > > > > And it looks like only the LOAD-BALANCING object, that tries to enforce > > that the component TE-LSPs each contribute some minmium bandwidth, is > > going to require much thinking. Any other text changes on this point ought > > to be fairly mechanical. > > > >> FWIW, I have never heard of anyone applying Intserv approaches to GMPLS. Reservations are not statistical, and in most cases the resources are physical quantities and assigned directly. > > My main complaint here is that we're going from a scalar bandwidth number, > > that can use regular arithmetic comparisons (trichotomy) and have a clear > > sense of whether a minimum threshold value is achieved, to a more > > complicated structure (a mathematician might think of it as a vector > > space), where we no longer have a single clear metric or trichotomy > > comparison between different vectors in the space. If we said that, even > > though the generalized bandwidth structure is this larger "vector" thing, > > the load-balancing object was going to still just use a single scalar for > > minimum bandwidth (and we defined how to compute the scalar bandwidth from > > a given generalized bandwidth structure/vector), this issue would > > evaporate. The problem arises when we take the same generalized bandwidth > > structure and try to use it (the structure/vector) as the minimum threshold > > value. Do I compare the components piece by piece and require each > > individual component to surpass the stated minimum? That is well-defined > > in a procedural sense but may not make practical sense for all the > > generalized bandwidth structures defined now or in the future. > > > > -Ben > > > >> Cheers, > >> Adrian > >> > >> -------------- > >> > >> This document makes some well-needed extensions to existing PCEP > >> concepts such as bandwidth, but I'm not convinced that the way they > >> interact with existing PCEP functionality is sufficiently well specified > >> to admit interoperable implementation. Specifically, we introduce the > >> generalized bandwidth structures and reuse that encoding for the > >> generalized load balancing structures, which includes a notion of > >> "minimum bandwidth specification". But now that the bandwidth > >> specification is a compound data structure instead of a scalar type, > >> it's not guaranteed that we have a strict linear ordering with > >> well-defined minimum. If we consider the specific case of Intserv, do I > >> insist upon all three of the minimum bucket rate, minimum bucket size, > >> and minimum peak data rate? Or perhaps I only care about the peak data > >> rate and not the bucket size/rate. We need more text in order to > >> specify what "minimum" actually means/measures. > >> > >> Similarly, I'm not sure all the referenced generalized bandwidth > >> types/traffic parameters in Section 2.3 clearly indicate which > >> structures/fields we are to incorporate by reference (see COMMENT). > >> > >> Section 2.1.2 says: > >> > >> GMPLS-CAPABILITY TLV it is RECOMMENDED that the PCC does not make use > >> of the objects and TLVs defined in this document. > >> > >> Why is this not "the PCC MUST NOT make use of the objects and TLVs > >> defined in this document"? Ignoring the peer's (non-)advertisement and > >> plowing ahead seems like a recipe for non-interoperability. > >> > >> Section 2.5.1 notes that: > >> > >> ::= > >> [] > >> [ []]... > >> > >> > >> For endpoint type Point-to-Multipoint, several endpoint objects MAY > >> be present in the message and each represents a leave, exact meaning > >> depend on the endpoint type defined of the object. > >> > >> If all s represent leaves, then how is the head node > >> specified? > >> > >> I couldn't find a full spcification for some of the fields in the XRO > >> Label subobject (Section 2.7) by chasing the indicated references (see > >> COMMENT). > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> COMMENT: > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Section 1 > >> > >> Please expand OTN and WSON on first use. > >> > >> Section 1.4 > >> > >> It's very unclear to me what kind of support, from/by what entities/data > >> structures, under what conditions, these tables are attempting to > >> indicate. > >> > >> We should probably be consistent whether we talk about just "FOO" or > >> "FOO object" as the hanging text for these bulleted lists. > >> > >> From [RFC8282]: > >> > >> o SWITCH-LAYER: address requirements (1, 2 and 3) for the TE-LSP and > >> indicates which layer(s) should be considered, can be used to > >> represent the RSVP-TE generalized label request. [...] > >> > >> nit: this looks like a comma splice. > >> > >> The PCEP extensions defined later in this document to cover the gap > >> are: > >> > >> Two new object types are introduced for the BANDWIDTH object > >> (Generalized bandwidth, Generalized bandwidth of existing TE-LSP > >> for which a reoptimization is requested). > >> > >> I'm confused by this language "new object types are introduced for the > >> BANDWIDTH object". My understanding was that objects did not nest: that > >> is, objects have a given structure and can sometimes contain TLVs, but > >> do not contain other objects. So, my current understanding is that new > >> objects are introduced that can appear where the BANDWIDTH object would > >> previously have appeared, but they are separate object (type)s from the > >> RFC 5440 BANDWIDTH objects. (This language is used in the next couple > >> items as well.) To be clear, this is at most an editorial > >> consideration, essentially whether to use "introduced for" or something > >> like "introduced akin to". > >> > >> Section 2.1.2 > >> > >> If the PCE does not > >> include the GMPLS-CAPABILITY TLV in the OPEN message and the PCC does > >> include the TLV, it is RECOMMENDED that the PCC indicates a mismatch > >> of capabilities. Moreover, in case that the PCC does not receive the > >> > >> Indicate how, to whom? > >> > >> Section 2.2 > >> > >> This granularity applies to all links in the path, right? So I can't > >> request label-level granularity for one hop and indicate that I only > >> care about node-level granularity for the other hops? > >> > >> Section 2.3 > >> > >> [similar comments apply here to what I mentioned at the end of Section > >> 1.4] > >> > >> The Bw Spec Type correspond to the RSVP-TE SENDER_TSPEC (Object Class > >> 12) C-Types > >> > >> Should we ask IANA to update the SENDER_TSPEC registry to note that it > >> is used for PCEP as well as RSVP? > >> > >> The encoding of the fields Generalized Bandwidth and Reverse > >> Generalized Bandwidth is the same as the Traffic Parameters carried > >> in RSVP-TE, it can be found in the following references. > >> > >> Object Type Name Reference > >> > >> 2 Intserv [RFC2210] > >> 4 SONET/SDH [RFC4606] > >> 5 G.709 [RFC4328] > >> 6 Ethernet [RFC6003] > >> 7 OTN-TDM [RFC7139] > >> 8 SSON [RFC7792] > >> > >> It's quite confusing to have the table heading be just "object type" > >> when this is the value in the field named "Bw Spec Type" and corresponds > >> to class type values in the SENDER_TSPEC registry. > >> > >> Also, I looked up the Intserv case, and RFC 2210 doesn't really give me > >> a clear picture of what I'm supposed to encode as the "transport > >> parameters". I think it's supposed to be the 12-octet assembly > >> consisting of the token bucket rate, token bucket size, and peak data > >> rate, but I have very low confidence in that assessment. On the other > >> hand, RFC 4606 has a very nice data structure layout in Section 2.1, > >> "SONET/SDH Traffic Parameters". On the gripping hand, there's not a > >> clear "bandwidth" number in that structure that I can apply a comparison > >> to for load-balancing purposes. It doesn't look like I'll have time to > >> check the other four cases right now, but that will need to be done > >> before final publication. > >> > >> Section 2.4 > >> > >> I'm having trouble parsing: > >> > >> The LOAD-BALANCING object [RFC5440] is used to request a set of > >> maximum Max-LSP TE-LSP having in total the bandwidth specified in > >> BANDWIDTH, each TE-LSP having a minimum of bandwidth. > >> > >> Is it intended to read: > >> > >> The LOAD-BALANCING object [RFC5440] is used to request allocation of a set of > >> at most Max-LSP TE-LSPs, having in total the bandwidth specified in > >> BANDWIDTH, with each TE-LSP having at least a specified minimum bandwidth. > >> > >> ? > >> > >> [similar comments apply here to what I mentioned at the end of Section > >> 1.4] > >> > >> Bandwidth Spec Length (16 bits): the total length of the Min > >> Bandwidth Spec field. It is to be noted that the RSVP-TE traffic > >> specification MAY also include TLV different from the PCEP TLVs. The > >> length MUST be strictly greater than 0. > >> > >> It's not entirely clear to me why the note about different TLVs in > >> RSVP-TE and PCEP belongs here. > >> > >> Section 2.5.1 > >> > >> Endpoints label restriction may not be part of the RRO or > >> IRO, they can be included when following [RFC4003] in signaling for > >> egress endpoint, but ingress endpoint properties can be local to the > >> PCC and not signaled. [...] > >> > >> nit: the first comma looks like a comma splice. > >> > >> A PCE not supporting a given Endpoint Type SHOULD > >> respond with a PCErr with Error Type 4, Value TBD "Unsupported > >> endpoint type in END-POINTS Generalized Endpoint object type". [...] > >> > >> s/TBD/TBA-15/ > >> > >> The TLVs present in the > >> request object body MUST follow the following [RFC5511] grammar: > >> > >> It feels a bit like a type error to use RBNF to describe the layout > >> of TLVs within a TLV block, as RBNF acts on objects. > >> > >> Section 2.5.2.4 > >> > >> The LABEL-REQUEST TLV indicates the switching capability and encoding > >> type of the following label restriction list for the endpoint. Its > >> format and encoding is the same as described in [RFC3471] Section 3.1 > >> Generalized label request. [...] > >> > >> Presumably the "Its" refers to just the value portion of the TLV? > >> That should probably be stated explicitly. > >> > >> Section 2.5.2.5 > >> > >> Is there any reason for the section title to not be "LABEL-SET TLV" for > >> consistency with the other sections? > >> > >> A LABEL-SET TLV represents a set of possible labels that can be used > >> on an interface. If the L bit is cleared, the label allocated on the > >> first endpoint MUST be within the label set range. [...] > >> > >> Is this MUST binding on the PCC that generates a request, or on the > >> computed LSP returned by the PCE? > >> > >> A LABEL-SET TLV with the O and L bit set MUST trigger a PCErr message > >> with error type="Reception of an invalid object" error value="Wrong > >> LABEL-SET TLV present with O and L bit set". > >> > >> A LABEL-SET TLV with the O bit set and an Action Field not set to 0 > >> (Inclusive list) or containing more than one subchannel MUST trigger > >> a PCErr message with error type="Reception of an invalid object" > >> error value="Wrong LABEL-SET TLV present with O bit and wrong > >> format". > >> > >> If a LABEL-SET TLV is present with O bit set, the R bit of the RP > >> object MUST be set, otherwise a PCErr message MUST be sent with error > >> type="Reception of an invalid object" error value="LABEL-SET TLV > >> present with O bit set but without R bit set in RP". > >> > >> nit: I don't know if it makes more sense to use the TBA-25, TBA-26, and > >> TBA-24 values in these descriptions. > >> > >> Section 2.6 > >> > >> The IRO as defined in [RFC5440] is used to include specific objects > >> in the path. RSVP-TE allows to include label definition, in order to > >> fulfill requirement 13 of [RFC7025] the IRO needs to support the new > >> subobject type as defined in [RFC3473]: > >> > >> nit: this looks like a comma splice. (A similar construction appears in > >> Section 2.7 as well.) > >> > >> Section 2.7 > >> > >> U (1 bit): see [RFC3471]. > >> > >> C-Type (8 bits): the C-Type of the included Label Object as > >> defined in [RFC3471]. > >> > >> Label: see [RFC3471]. > >> > >> Sorry, where exactly in RFC 3471? I do not see discussion of a U bit > >> or C-Type therein. (Perhaps RFC 3473 was intended? Though, RFC 3473 > >> seems to refer back to 3471 for the U parameter, again without section > >> reference.) > >> > >> Section 6 > >> > >> It seems that a malicious PCC might be able to effect a denial of > >> service attack on the PCE by attempting to make many requests that > >> consume lots of resources (whether on the PCE itself or in the managed > >> network elements). > >> > >> In addition Technology specific data plane mechanism > >> can be used (following [RFC5920] Section 5.8) to verify the data > >> plane connectivity and deviation from constraints. > >> > >> nit: "In addition, technology-specific" > >> > >> Appendix A > >> > >> It's not entirely clear to me why this specific group of examples was > >> chosen and no others. (The appendix does not seem to be referenced from > >> elsewhere in the document, so it appears fairly random to a reader > >> making it that far.) > >> > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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