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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF.

        Title           : PCEP Extension for Flexible Grid Networks
        Authors         : Young Lee
                          Haomian Zheng
                          Ramon Casellas
                          Ricard Vilalta
                          Daniele Ceccarelli
                          Francesco Lazzeri
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-flexible-grid-03.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2020-03-01

Abstract:
   This document provides the Path Computation Element Communication
   Protocol (PCEP) extensions for the support of Routing and Spectrum
   Assignment (RSA) in Flexible Grid networks.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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Hi WG,

The PCE WG session in Vancouver is scheduled for Tuesday Afternoon
session I [1]. If you need some face-to-face time to progress some
work, please send a slot request to the chairs/secretary directly by
Friday March 13th including:
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discussed on the mailing list. Please make sure to introduce your new
draft or summarize an update in the mailing list. The last date to
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Thanks!
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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/agenda.html
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Hi all,

AFAICS, no one else has pitched in on this debate (so we can't really =
call it a debate).

The easiest approach to keeping everyone (i.e., Pavan) happy is to take =
the following approach.

>    2. Introduce a new flag in the FLOWSPEC object to explicitly =
indicate
>    that routes subject to LPM based forwarding MUST be installed. When =
this
>    flag is set, the FLOWSPEC object MUST carry only destination =
IPv4/IPv6 TLVs.

The way I propose to handle it is to add a flag to the FLOWSPEC object =
with meaning:
- clear: Use the Flow Filter TLV as a "flow specification"=20
- set: Use the Flow Filter TLV to install a Longest Prefix Match route
Define a new error "FlowSpec Error" : "Unsupported LPM Route" for use =
when the receiver does not support installing an LPM route for the Flow =
Filter TLV.

An introductory sentence is also added saying:
  =20
    How an=20
    implementation decides how to filter traffic that matches a Flow =
Specification does not form
    part of this specification, but a flag is provided to indicate that =
the sender of a PCEP
    message that includes a Flow Specification is intended to be =
installed as a Longest Prefix
    Match route, or as a Flow Specification policy.

I'll make the changes to the document, but note that we are well past WG =
last call. I hope that with the change we will be able to move ahead.

Look out for the new revision.

Best,
Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>=20
Sent: 13 January 2020 12:23
To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Cc: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pce] A discussion point for draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec

Adrian, Hi!

Please see inline..

Regards,
-Pavan

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:32 AM Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> =
wrote:

> Thanks Pavan,
>
> It=E2=80=99s good to have this documented clearly.
>
> Personally, I am amused/confused that **how** packets are intercepted =
for
> classification (via a routing entry or via a data plane filter) is
> important to the specification of this protocol. That is, the protocol =
says
> =E2=80=9Cpackets that match this flowspec MUST be placed on this =
LSP/path=E2=80=9D. How an
> implementation chooses to achieve that is, IMHO, not material to the
> on-the-wire behaviour. That is, the packets will come in and will be =
placed
> on the path, and the protocol instructions to achieve it do not need =
to
> tell anyone how to achieve it.
>
> This is probably closest to your option 1. That is, an implementation =
may
> choose to implement this however it wants.
>
> It would be wrong, also IMHO, to imply that an implementation must =
install
> a data plane filter to handle PCEP flowspecs. That depends (of course) =
on
> how you define a data plane filter.

Existing (network element) implementations have config knobs that
distinguish between adding a filter rule to steer traffic onto the path =
of
a tunnel and installing a resolver route (LPM based forwarding). And =
like
with most TE-Tunnel/TE-Policy specific config knobs, there seems to be a
strong desire to let the Controller push/control these knobs. That is =
where
my options 2 and 3 come in.

> As to draft-ietf-pce-binding-label-sid, I fear I detect mission creep.
> What was originally a simple association of a binding SID to a PCEP =
message
> now also has an element of flowspec built in. I wonder whether that
> document shouldn=E2=80=99t refer to draft-ietf-pce-flowspec if it =
wants to describe
> what traffic to associate with a path.

I'm not sure about mission creep, but the association of a binding type =
to
a path does (already) describe the type of traffic steered onto the =
path.
It results in the installation of a keyed entry in the forwarding plane
with the action of steering the packets matching this entry to the =
selected
path of the policy. Given the precedent, adding a couple of new binding
types for destination prefixes seems appropriate.

> Like you, I would like to hear more from the working group.

Yeah, looking forward to see some opinions come in on this.

> *From:* Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 10 January 2020 05:45
> *To:* Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> *Cc:* pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Pce] A discussion point for =
draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec
>
> Adrian, Hi!
>
> Much Thanks for starting this thread! There are multiple =
implementations
> that support user-triggered installation/uninstallation of
> destination-IPv4/IPv6 prefixes bound to a TE Path (installation of =
routes
> subject to longest prefix match based forwarding) and it is important =
to
> have this behavior covered in PCEP.
>
> I=E2=80=99m listing 3 options that were considered for addressing this =
item:
>
>    1. Add a new sub-section to Section 8 of
>    <draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec> stating that an implementation =
receiving a
>    FLOWSPEC object that carries only destination IPv4/IPv6 TLVs may =
choose to
>    not install any data-plane filters and instead install routes that =
are
>    subject to longest prefix match (LPM) based forwarding. With this =
option,
>    the controller has no say in how the network element processes =
these
>    destination IPV4/IPv6 TLVs.
>    2. Introduce a new flag in the FLOWSPEC object to explicitly =
indicate
>    that routes subject to LPM based forwarding MUST be installed. When =
this
>    flag is set, the FLOWSPEC object MUST carry only destination =
IPv4/IPv6 TLVs.
>    3. Do not use the FLOWSPEC object at all for this; Use the
>    TE-PATH-BINDING TLV (introduced by =
draft-ietf-pce-binding-label-sid)
>    instead. This requires the addition of a couple of new Binding =
Types (BT)
>    to indicate destination-IPV4 and destination-IPv6 bindings. This =
also
>    requires us to add the ability to encode multiple Path Bindings =
(list)
>    in the same message and the ability to remove specific Path =
Bindings in a
>    given message.
>
> Based on some offline conversations with interested parties, there is =
a
> strong need to have an explicit indication for this type of behavior =
(avoid
> ambiguity with respect to filtering) -- so that makes Option 1 =
undesirable.
> There is also a requirement to carry a mix of install and uninstall
> destination prefixes associated with a path in the same message. The =
way
> the FLOWSPEC object is currently defined (the R flag is specified per
> FLOWSPEC object and not per TLV; parity with BGP), you would need one
> object to carry the install prefixes and one more to carry the =
uninstall
> prefixes. Given all this, there is some consensus among interested =
parties
> to implement this behavior using the TE-PATH-BINDING TLV. Note that =
this
> also means that draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec can proceed as is.
>
> @WG -- Any thoughts?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Pavan
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 4:14 PM Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> =
wrote:
>
> Hi WG,
>
> I received a couple of private emails about =
draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec.
>
> Since they were private, I will try to be circumspect about who they =
were
> from.
>
> The sender asked to have a flag attached to a flow specification that
> indicates that it can be installed as a static route and thus not =
subject
> to a firewall rule so the longest prefix matching can be performed to
> manipulate route resolution for an LSP.
>
> The request also said that traditionally flow-specifications result in
> firewall rules and those rules operate on packets before longest =
prefix
> match. We want to install static routes, the equivalent of installing =
a
> prefix for an LSP and if we treat a flowspec as a static route we can =
mess
> things up like rule ordering and so on.
>
> The sender suggested that there are currently some draft(s) regarding =
this
> behavior for BGP flowspec as well, but was not able to point me at =
them.
>
> I asked for some clarifications and got back:
>
> "What BGP-FS does is install data-plane filters.  We handle that by
> installing RIB entries (that's what BGP carries) into a RIB. Those =
entries
> are transformed into firewall filters.  What I am asking for is not
> currently supported by BGP-flowspec.
>
> "What I am asking for is an indication that a flow-specification NOT =
be
> transformed into a data-plane filter.  In other words, installed as a
> normal route where the route is subject to longest prefix match based
> forwarding


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF.

        Title           : PCEP Extension for Flow Specification
        Authors         : Dhruv Dhody
                          Adrian Farrel
                          Zhenbin Li
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-08.txt
	Pages           : 33
	Date            : 2020-03-04

Abstract:
   The Path Computation Element (PCE) is a functional component capable
   of selecting paths through a traffic engineering network.  These
   paths may be supplied in response to requests for computation, or may
   be unsolicited instructions issued by the PCE to network elements.
   Both approaches use the PCE Communication Protocol (PCEP) to convey
   the details of the computed path.

   Traffic flows may be categorized and described using "Flow
   Specifications".  RFC XXXX defines the Flow Specification and
   describes how Flow Specification Components are used to describe
   traffic flows.  RFC XXXX also defines how Flow Specifications may be
   distributed in BGP to allow specific traffic flows to be associated
   with routes.

   This document specifies a set of extensions to PCEP to support
   dissemination of Flow Specifications.  This allows a PCE to indicate
   what traffic should be placed on each path that it is aware of.

   RFC Editor Note: Please replace XXXX in the Abstract with the RFC
   number assigned to draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis when it is published.
   Please remove this note.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF.

        Title           : PCEP Procedures and Protocol Extensions for Using PCE as a Central Controller (PCECC) of LSPs
        Authors         : Quintin Zhao
                          Zhenbin Li
                          Mahendra Singh Negi
                          Shuping Peng
                          Chao Zhou
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller-04.txt
	Pages           : 34
	Date            : 2020-03-08

Abstract:
   The Path Computation Element (PCE) is a core component of Software-
   Defined Networking (SDN) systems.  It can compute optimal paths for
   traffic across a network and can also update the paths to reflect
   changes in the network or traffic demands.

   PCE was developed to derive paths for MPLS Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs), which are supplied to the head end of the LSP using the Path
   Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP).  But SDN has a
   broader applicability than signaled (G)MPLS traffic-engineered (TE)
   networks, and the PCE may be used to determine paths in a range of
   use cases.  PCEP has been proposed as a control protocol for use in
   these environments to allow the PCE to be fully enabled as a central
   controller.

   A PCE-based central controller (PCECC) can simplify the processing of
   a distributed control plane by blending it with elements of SDN and
   without necessarily completely replacing it.  Thus, the LSP can be
   calculated/setup/initiated and the label forwarding entries can also
   be downloaded through a centralized PCE server to each network
   devices along the path while leveraging the existing PCE technologies
   as much as possible.

   This document specifies the procedures and PCEP protocol extensions
   for using the PCE as the central controller.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF.

        Title           : PCEP Extensions for Segment Routing leveraging the IPv6 data plane
        Authors         : Mahendra Singh Negi
                          Cheng Li
                          Siva Sivabalan
                          Prejeeth Kaladharan
                          Yongqing Zhu
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-ipv6-04.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2020-03-09

Abstract:
   The Source Packet Routing in Networking (SPRING) architecture
   describes how Segment Routing (SR) can be used to steer packets
   through an IPv6 or MPLS network using the source routing paradigm.
   SR enables any head-end node to select any path without relying on a
   hop-by-hop signaling technique (e.g., LDP or RSVP-TE).

   It depends only on "segments" that are advertised by Link- State
   IGPs.  A Segment Routed Path can be derived from a variety of
   mechanisms, including an IGP Shortest Path Tree (SPT), explicit
   configuration, or a Path Computation Element (PCE).

   Since SR can be applied to both MPLS and IPv6 forwarding plane, a PCE
   should be able to compute SR-Path for both MPLS and IPv6 forwarding
   plane.  This document describes the extensions required for SR
   support for IPv6 data plane in Path Computation Element communication
   Protocol (PCEP).  The PCEP extension and mechanism to support SR-MPLS
   is described in RFC 8664.  This document extends it to support SRv6
   (SR over IPv6).



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : Carrying Binding Label/Segment-ID in PCE-based Networks.
        Authors         : Siva Sivabalan
                          Clarence Filsfils
                          Jeff Tantsura
                          Jonathan Hardwick
                          Stefano Previdi
                          Cheng Li
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-binding-label-sid-02.txt
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	Date            : 2020-03-09

Abstract:
   In order to provide greater scalability, network opacity, and service
   independence, Segment Routing (SR) utilizes a Binding Segment
   Identifier (BSID).  It is possible to associate a BSID to RSVP-TE
   signaled Traffic Engineering Label Switching Path or binding Segment-
   ID (SID) to SR Traffic Engineering path.  Such a binding label/SID
   can be used by an upstream node for steering traffic into the
   appropriate TE path to enforce SR policies.  This document proposes
   an approach for reporting binding label/SID to Path Computation
   Element (PCE) for supporting PCE-based Traffic Engineering policies.



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) extension for associating Policies and Label Switched Paths (LSPs)
        Authors         : Stephane Litkowski
                          Siva Sivabalan
                          Jeff Tantsura
                          Jonathan Hardwick
                          Mahendra Singh Negi
                          Cheng Li
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-association-policy-08.txt
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	Date            : 2020-03-09

Abstract:
   This document introduces a simple mechanism to associate policies to
   a group of Label Switched Paths (LSPs) via an extension to the Path
   Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP).


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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8231,
"Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) Extensions for Stateful PCE".

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Type: Editorial
Reported by: Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>

Section: 5.8.3

Original Text
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   If the PCC receives a PCUpd message for an LSP object
   identified with a PLSP-ID that does not exist on the PCC, it MUST
   generate a PCErr with Error-type=19 (Invalid Operation), error-value
   3, (Attempted LSP Update Request for an LSP identified by an unknown
   PSP-ID) (see Section 8.5).

Corrected Text
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   If the PCC receives a PCUpd message for an LSP object
   identified with a PLSP-ID that does not exist on the PCC, it MUST
   generate a PCErr with Error-type=19 (Invalid Operation), error-value
   3, (Attempted LSP Update Request for an LSP identified by an unknown
   PLSP-ID) (see Section 8.5).

Notes
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s/PSP-ID/PLSP-ID/ 

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RFC8231 (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-21)
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Title               : Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) Extensions for Stateful PCE
Publication Date    : September 2017
Author(s)           : E. Crabbe, I. Minei, J. Medved, R. Varga
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Path Computation Element
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 8741

        Title:      Ability for a Stateful Path Computation 
                    Element (PCE) to Request and Obtain 
                    Control of a Label Switched Path (LSP) 
        Author:     A. Raghuram,
                    A. Goddard,
                    J. Karthik, 
                    S. Sivabalan,
                    M. Negi
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       March 2020
        Mailbox:    ar2521@att.com, 
                    ag6941@att.com, 
                    jakarthi@cisco.com,
                    msiva@cisco.com, 
                    mahend.ietf@gmail.com
        Pages:      11
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request-11.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8741

        DOI:        10.17487/RFC8741

A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) retains information about
the placement of Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic
Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs). When a PCE has stateful
control over LSPs, it may send indications to LSP head-ends to modify
the attributes (especially the paths) of the LSPs. A Path Computation
Client (PCC) that has set up LSPs under local configuration may
delegate control of those LSPs to a stateful PCE.

There are use cases in which a stateful PCE may wish to obtain
control of locally configured LSPs that it is aware of but have not
been delegated to the PCE.

This document describes an extension to the Path Computation Element
Communication Protocol (PCEP) to enable a PCE to make requests for
such control.

This document is a product of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard.

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Hi WG,

By now you would have seen the note from the IESG regarding the
in-person IETF 107 meeting [1]. We are still waiting for further
instructions on further planning of the virtual WG session. Please
bear with us.

We are still accepting slot request on the WG agenda, please make the
request SOON, this would also help us in planning the virtual WG
meeting.

In the meantime, the mailing list is always open for business, please
use it to describe the motivation for your new drafts, list updates to
your existing I-Ds, discuss open issues etc.

Take care!
Dhruv & Julien

[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/wxgxvqtHNdtuHqoXAjSqJulrrCA/

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:12 AM Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi WG,
>
> The PCE WG session in Vancouver is scheduled for Tuesday Afternoon
> session I [1]. If you need some face-to-face time to progress some
> work, please send a slot request to the chairs/secretary directly by
> Friday March 13th including:
> - the draft(s) you want to discuss,
> - the expected presenter name, (mention clearly if the presenter would
> be remote)
> - the requested duration, including question time as part of the slot,
> - the reason why you want to be on the agenda; What do you want to
> achieve? Why is a presentation necessary to achieve it?
>
> Please note - Asking for a slot does not mean you will get one. We
> will be prioritizing moving WG work first as well as drafts that were
> discussed on the mailing list. Please make sure to introduce your new
> draft or summarize an update in the mailing list. The last date to
> submit drafts is Monday March 9th [2].
>
> Thanks!
> PCE Chairs & Secretary
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/agenda.html
> [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/important-dates/


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF.

        Title           : PCEP Extensions for Associated Bidirectional Label Switched Paths (LSPs)
        Authors         : Rakesh Gandhi
                          Colby Barth
                          Bin Wen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-association-bidir-06.txt
	Pages           : 19
	Date            : 2020-03-13

Abstract:
   The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides
   mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path
   computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests.
   The Stateful PCE extensions allow stateful control of Multiprotocol
   Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs) using PCEP.

   This document defines PCEP extensions for grouping two unidirectional
   MPLS TE LSPs (one in each direction in the network) into an
   Associated Bidirectional LSP.  The mechanisms defined in this
   document can be applied using a Stateful PCE for both PCE-Initiated
   and PCC-Initiated LSPs, as well as when using a Stateless PCE.  The
   procedures defined are applicable to the LSPs using Resource
   Reservation Protocol (RSVP) for signaling.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF.

        Title           : PCEP Extensions for Associated Bidirectional Segment Routing (SR) Paths
        Authors         : Cheng Li
                          Mach(Guoyi) Chen
                          Weiqiang Cheng
                          Rakesh Gandhi
                          Quan Xiong
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-sr-bidir-path-02.txt
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	Date            : 2020-03-13

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   computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests.
   Segment routing (SR) leverages the source routing and tunneling
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   can be used for computing SR TE paths in the network.

   This document defines PCEP extensions for grouping two unidirectional
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   Associated Bidirectional SR Path.  The mechanisms defined in this
   document can also be applied using a Stateful PCE for both PCE-
   Initiated and PCC-Initiated LSPs, as well as when using a Stateless
   PCE.


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Hi PCE'rs,

The slot requests we've received so far don't look in a rush. We believe
it'll be more convenient to skip the proposed April 7 and set up a
virtual meeting later, e.g. in May and June, hopefully when the global
situation resolves.

We'll poll the list on time to identify a date and a time slot that will
fit the majority.

Take care,

Dhruv & Julien


On 11/03/2020 11:20, Dhruv Dhody wrote:
> Hi WG,
>
> By now you would have seen the note from the IESG regarding the
> in-person IETF 107 meeting [1]. We are still waiting for further
> instructions on further planning of the virtual WG session. Please
> bear with us.
>
> We are still accepting slot request on the WG agenda, please make the
> request SOON, this would also help us in planning the virtual WG
> meeting.
>
> In the meantime, the mailing list is always open for business, please
> use it to describe the motivation for your new drafts, list updates to
> your existing I-Ds, discuss open issues etc.
>
> Take care!
> Dhruv & Julien
>
> [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/wxgxvqtHNdtuHqoXAjSqJulrrCA/
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:12 AM Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi WG,
>>
>> The PCE WG session in Vancouver is scheduled for Tuesday Afternoon
>> session I [1]. If you need some face-to-face time to progress some
>> work, please send a slot request to the chairs/secretary directly by
>> Friday March 13th including:
>> - the draft(s) you want to discuss,
>> - the expected presenter name, (mention clearly if the presenter would
>> be remote)
>> - the requested duration, including question time as part of the slot,
>> - the reason why you want to be on the agenda; What do you want to
>> achieve? Why is a presentation necessary to achieve it?
>>
>> Please note - Asking for a slot does not mean you will get one. We
>> will be prioritizing moving WG work first as well as drafts that were
>> discussed on the mailing list. Please make sure to introduce your new
>> draft or summarize an update in the mailing list. The last date to
>> submit drafts is Monday March 9th [2].
>>
>> Thanks!
>> PCE Chairs & Secretary
>>
>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/agenda.html
>> [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/important-dates/


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Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro
Review result: Has Nits

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The
Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as
they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special
request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs.
For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see
​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would
be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call
comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by
updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-scheduling
Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro
Intended Status: Proposed Standard

Summary:
This is a well written document, which displays iterations that improved its
quality. I have no concerns with this document.

I would point out a small set of questions and potential issues for the
author's consideration:

5.2.1.  SCHED-LSP-ATTRIBUTE TLV

Can Start-Time and Duration take any value from 0 to 32-bits-of-ones?

9.  Manageability Consideration

Could these add Default values or ranges (esp. to times, seconds, etc.)?

10.  IANA Considerations

10.1.  PCEP TLV Type Indicators

For the SCHED-LSP-ATTRIBUTE and SCHED-PD-LSP-ATTRIBUTE, I suggest creating
Registries for the Flags: |   Flags |R|C|A| What is the future's allocation
policy for remaining Flags for example?

Actually reading later Section 10.3 I realize they are specified there. Why are
the Flags in a different section, but Opt in this section? Anyway, a nit.

   IANA is requested to create and maintain a new registry "Opt" under
   SCHED-PD-LSP-ATTRIBUTE (TLV Type: TBD2).  Initial values for the
   registry are given below.

What is the allocation policy for Unassigned?

     Value    Name                              Definition
     -----    ----                              ----------
      0       Reserved
      1       REPEAT-EVERY-DAY                  Section 5.2.2
      2       REPEAT-EVERY-WEEK                 Section 5.2.2
      3       REPEAT-EVERY-MONTH                Section 5.2.2
      4       REPEAT-EVERY-YEAR                 Section 5.2.2
      5       REPEAT-EVERY-REPEAT-TIME-LENGTH   Section 5.2.2
      6-14    Unassigned
      15      Reserved

What is the reason for "Section 5.2.2"? Since this are instructions for IANA,
these references are not significant without the document reference.

Appendix A.  Contributor Addresses

There are more than one Contributors -- why singular?

I hope these help,

Carlos Pignataro.



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF.

        Title           : PCEP Extensions for LSP scheduling with stateful PCE
        Authors         : Huaimo Chen
                          Yan Zhuang
                          Qin Wu
                          Daniele Ceccarelli
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-scheduling-13.txt
	Pages           : 25
	Date            : 2020-03-23

Abstract:
   This document defines a set of extensions needed to the stateful Path
   Computation Element (PCE) communication Protocol (PCEP), so as to
   enable Labeled Switched Path (LSP) scheduling for path computation
   and LSP setup/deletion based on the actual network resource usage and
   the duration of a traffic service in a centralized network
   environment as stated in RFC 8413.


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Hi Dhruv,

Thanks for your quick reply.

I have added PCE WG in this mail. More inline.

Thanks & Regards,
Mrinmoy

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:00 PM Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mrinmoy,
>
> I was suggest you to also include pce@ietf.org; WG could benefit from
> the discussion in future. More inline.
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mrinmoy Das <mrinmoy.ietf@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Respected Authors and Contributors,
> >
> > Hope you all are doing well and safe in this tough times of Corona Virus
> Outbreak.
> >
> > I like to draw your attention regarding some parts of
> draft-ietf-pce-binding-label-sid-02 which I didn't able to understand
> properly.
> >
> > 1. BT = 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carried in the format
> >
> >   specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value is valid, and
> >   other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be considered invalid.
> >   The Length MUST be set to 7.
> >
> >
> >     Previous versions of private draft uses 4 byte to store MPLS 20 Bit
> label and ignores TC, S & TTL fields.
>
> The length in the previous version was 6, which was incorrect. The TLV
> length is as per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5440#section-7.1
> Which didnt make sense and your calculation below is correct!
>
> >     But in IETF draft after TLV structure redefinition, total length of
> the TLV becomes 7, i.e. BT(1 Byte)+Reserved(3 Byte)+MPLS 20bit Label(3
> Byte) = 7 Byte
>
> Yes
>
> >     So, now MPLS 20 Bit Labelwill be stored in 3 byte. Is it correct?
>
> You can consider it a case of rounding up 20 bits to 3 bytes.


> >     If this is correct then I feel the wording of the above paragraph
> needs to be more specific, meaning in 3 Byte Label there will be no space
> for TTL, so
> >     my suggestion is to make below correction:
> >
> >     BT = 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carried in the format
> >
> >   specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value is valid, and
> >   other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be considered invalid.
> >   The Length MUST be set to 7.
> >
>
> My suggestion would be not mention any of the other fields and talk
> only of 20 bits of Label. I see other SR RFCs take similar approach.
>

Sounds Good. I'm agree with you.


> >
> > 2. In some cases, a stateful PCE can request the PCC to allocate a
> >
> >   binding value.  It may do so by sending a PCUpd message containing an
> >   empty TE-PATH-BINDING TLV, i.e., no binding value is specified
> >   (making the length field of the TLV as 2).  A PCE can also make the
> >   request PCC to allocate a binding at the time of initiation by
> >   sending a PCInitiate message with an empty TE-PATH-BINDING TLV.
> >
> >
> >   As per new Binding TLV Structure below, BT is of 1 Byte and there will
> be 3 Byte Reserved.
> >
> >          0                   1                   2                   3
> >
> >        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
> >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >       |             Type              |             Length            |
> >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >       |      BT       |                 Reserved                      |
> >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >       ~            Binding Value (variable length)                    ~
> >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >
> >
> >    Now, an empty Binding TLV should have length of BT(1 Byte) + Reserved
> (3 Byte) = 4 Byte instead of 2 Byte.
> >
> >    So, I do not understand how in the draft it is calculated as 2 Byte.
> Could you please give me some clue?
>
>
> This seems to be an error IMHO. 4 seems to be correct.
>

Okay. So what would  be your suggestion to developer who is implementing
this draft? Should it be taken as 4? If draft needs correction
when will that be published?

>
> Thanks!
> Dhruv
>
> >
> > Thanks & Regards,
> > Mrinmoy
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Dhruv,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your qu=
ick reply.</div><div><br></div><div>I have added PCE WG in this mail. More =
inline.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks &amp; Regards,</div><div>Mrinmoy</d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:00 PM Dhruv Dhody &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.ietf@g=
mail.com">dhruv.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Mrinmoy,<br>
<br>
I was suggest you to also include <a href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">pce@ietf.org</a>; WG could benefit from<br>
the discussion in future. More inline.<br>
<br>
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mrinmoy Das &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mrinmoy.i=
etf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mrinmoy.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Respected Authors and Contributors,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hope you all are doing well and safe in this tough times of Corona Vir=
us Outbreak.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I like to draw your attention regarding some parts of draft-ietf-pce-b=
inding-label-sid-02 which I didn&#39;t able to understand properly.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 1. BT =3D 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carried in the format<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value is valid=
, and<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be considered in=
valid.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Length MUST be set to 7.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Previous versions of private draft uses 4 byte to s=
tore MPLS 20 Bit label and ignores TC, S &amp; TTL fields.<br>
<br>
The length in the previous version was 6, which was incorrect. The TLV<br>
length is as per <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5440#section-7.1=
" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5440#=
section-7.1</a><br>
Which didnt make sense and your calculation below is correct!<br>
<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0But in IETF draft after TLV structure redefinition,=
 total length of the TLV becomes 7, i.e. BT(1 Byte)+Reserved(3 Byte)+MPLS 2=
0bit Label(3 Byte) =3D 7 Byte<br>
<br>
Yes<br>
<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0So, now MPLS 20 Bit Labelwill be stored in 3 byte. =
Is it correct?<br>
<br>
You can consider it a case of rounding up 20 bits to 3 bytes.=C2=A0</blockq=
uote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If this is correct then I feel the wording of the a=
bove paragraph needs to be more specific, meaning in 3 Byte Label there wil=
l be no space for TTL, so<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0my suggestion is to make below correction:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0BT =3D 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carrie=
d in the format<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value is valid=
, and<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be considered in=
valid.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Length MUST be set to 7.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
My suggestion would be not mention any of the other fields and talk<br>
only of 20 bits of Label. I see other SR RFCs take similar approach.<br></b=
lockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Sounds Good. I&#39;m agree with you.</div><=
div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2. In some cases, a stateful PCE can request the PCC to allocate a<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0binding value.=C2=A0 It may do so by sending a PCUpd messa=
ge containing an<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0empty TE-PATH-BINDING TLV, i.e., no binding value is speci=
fied<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0(making the length field of the TLV as 2).=C2=A0 A PCE can=
 also make the<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0request PCC to allocate a binding at the time of initiatio=
n by<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0sending a PCInitiate message with an empty TE-PATH-BINDING=
 TLV.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0As per new Binding TLV Structure below, BT is of 1 Byte an=
d there will be 3 Byte Reserved.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1=
 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Type=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Length=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 |<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reser=
ved=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 |<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0~=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 B=
inding Value (variable length)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ~<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Now, an empty Binding TLV should have length of BT(1 Byte=
) + Reserved (3 Byte) =3D 4 Byte instead of 2 Byte.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So, I do not understand how in the draft it is calculated=
 as 2 Byte. Could you please give me some clue?<br>
<br>
<br>
This seems to be an error IMHO. 4 seems to be correct.<br></blockquote><div=
><br></div><div>Okay. So what would=C2=A0 be your suggestion to developer w=
ho is implementing this draft? Should it be taken as 4? If draft needs corr=
ection</div><div>when will that be published?</div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Thanks!<br>
Dhruv<br>
<br>
&gt;<br>
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Hi Mrinmoy,

I will give authors some time to respond and confirm (and spin a new
update). I have noted this in the PCE WG wiki [
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/pce/wiki/WikiStart ] to make sure we could
track this to closure.

Thanks!
Dhruv

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:11 PM Mrinmoy Das <mrinmoy.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dhruv,
>
> Thanks for your quick reply.
>
> I have added PCE WG in this mail. More inline.
>
> Thanks & Regards,
> Mrinmoy
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:00 PM Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mrinmoy,
>>
>> I was suggest you to also include pce@ietf.org; WG could benefit from
>> the discussion in future. More inline.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mrinmoy Das <mrinmoy.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Respected Authors and Contributors,
>> >
>> > Hope you all are doing well and safe in this tough times of Corona Virus Outbreak.
>> >
>> > I like to draw your attention regarding some parts of draft-ietf-pce-binding-label-sid-02 which I didn't able to understand properly.
>> >
>> > 1. BT = 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carried in the format
>> >
>> >   specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value is valid, and
>> >   other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be considered invalid.
>> >   The Length MUST be set to 7.
>> >
>> >
>> >     Previous versions of private draft uses 4 byte to store MPLS 20 Bit label and ignores TC, S & TTL fields.
>>
>> The length in the previous version was 6, which was incorrect. The TLV
>> length is as per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5440#section-7.1
>> Which didnt make sense and your calculation below is correct!
>>
>> >     But in IETF draft after TLV structure redefinition, total length of the TLV becomes 7, i.e. BT(1 Byte)+Reserved(3 Byte)+MPLS 20bit Label(3 Byte) = 7 Byte
>>
>> Yes
>>
>> >     So, now MPLS 20 Bit Labelwill be stored in 3 byte. Is it correct?
>>
>> You can consider it a case of rounding up 20 bits to 3 bytes.
>>
>>
>> >     If this is correct then I feel the wording of the above paragraph needs to be more specific, meaning in 3 Byte Label there will be no space for TTL, so
>> >     my suggestion is to make below correction:
>> >
>> >     BT = 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carried in the format
>> >
>> >   specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value is valid, and
>> >   other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be considered invalid.
>> >   The Length MUST be set to 7.
>> >
>>
>> My suggestion would be not mention any of the other fields and talk
>> only of 20 bits of Label. I see other SR RFCs take similar approach.
>
>
> Sounds Good. I'm agree with you.
>
>>
>> >
>> > 2. In some cases, a stateful PCE can request the PCC to allocate a
>> >
>> >   binding value.  It may do so by sending a PCUpd message containing an
>> >   empty TE-PATH-BINDING TLV, i.e., no binding value is specified
>> >   (making the length field of the TLV as 2).  A PCE can also make the
>> >   request PCC to allocate a binding at the time of initiation by
>> >   sending a PCInitiate message with an empty TE-PATH-BINDING TLV.
>> >
>> >
>> >   As per new Binding TLV Structure below, BT is of 1 Byte and there will be 3 Byte Reserved.
>> >
>> >          0                   1                   2                   3
>> >
>> >        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>> >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>> >       |             Type              |             Length            |
>> >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>> >       |      BT       |                 Reserved                      |
>> >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>> >       ~            Binding Value (variable length)                    ~
>> >       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>> >
>> >
>> >    Now, an empty Binding TLV should have length of BT(1 Byte) + Reserved (3 Byte) = 4 Byte instead of 2 Byte.
>> >
>> >    So, I do not understand how in the draft it is calculated as 2 Byte. Could you please give me some clue?
>>
>>
>> This seems to be an error IMHO. 4 seems to be correct.
>
>
> Okay. So what would  be your suggestion to developer who is implementing this draft? Should it be taken as 4? If draft needs correction
> when will that be published?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dhruv
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks & Regards,
>> > Mrinmoy


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Hello Dhruv,

I appreciate your help. :)

Thanks & Regards,
Mrinmoy

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 7:45 PM Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mrinmoy,
>
> I will give authors some time to respond and confirm (and spin a new
> update). I have noted this in the PCE WG wiki [
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/pce/wiki/WikiStart ] to make sure we could
> track this to closure.
>
> Thanks!
> Dhruv
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:11 PM Mrinmoy Das <mrinmoy.ietf@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dhruv,
> >
> > Thanks for your quick reply.
> >
> > I have added PCE WG in this mail. More inline.
> >
> > Thanks & Regards,
> > Mrinmoy
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:00 PM Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Mrinmoy,
> >>
> >> I was suggest you to also include pce@ietf.org; WG could benefit from
> >> the discussion in future. More inline.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mrinmoy Das <mrinmoy.ietf@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Respected Authors and Contributors,
> >> >
> >> > Hope you all are doing well and safe in this tough times of Corona
> Virus Outbreak.
> >> >
> >> > I like to draw your attention regarding some parts of
> draft-ietf-pce-binding-label-sid-02 which I didn't able to understand
> properly.
> >> >
> >> > 1. BT = 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carried in the format
> >> >
> >> >   specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value is valid, and
> >> >   other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be considered invalid.
> >> >   The Length MUST be set to 7.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >     Previous versions of private draft uses 4 byte to store MPLS 20
> Bit label and ignores TC, S & TTL fields.
> >>
> >> The length in the previous version was 6, which was incorrect. The TLV
> >> length is as per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5440#section-7.1
> >> Which didnt make sense and your calculation below is correct!
> >>
> >> >     But in IETF draft after TLV structure redefinition, total length
> of the TLV becomes 7, i.e. BT(1 Byte)+Reserved(3 Byte)+MPLS 20bit Label(3
> Byte) = 7 Byte
> >>
> >> Yes
> >>
> >> >     So, now MPLS 20 Bit Labelwill be stored in 3 byte. Is it correct?
> >>
> >> You can consider it a case of rounding up 20 bits to 3 bytes.
> >>
> >>
> >> >     If this is correct then I feel the wording of the above paragraph
> needs to be more specific, meaning in 3 Byte Label there will be no space
> for TTL, so
> >> >     my suggestion is to make below correction:
> >> >
> >> >     BT = 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carried in the format
> >> >
> >> >   specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value is valid, and
> >> >   other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be considered invalid.
> >> >   The Length MUST be set to 7.
> >> >
> >>
> >> My suggestion would be not mention any of the other fields and talk
> >> only of 20 bits of Label. I see other SR RFCs take similar approach.
> >
> >
> > Sounds Good. I'm agree with you.
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2. In some cases, a stateful PCE can request the PCC to allocate a
> >> >
> >> >   binding value.  It may do so by sending a PCUpd message containing
> an
> >> >   empty TE-PATH-BINDING TLV, i.e., no binding value is specified
> >> >   (making the length field of the TLV as 2).  A PCE can also make the
> >> >   request PCC to allocate a binding at the time of initiation by
> >> >   sending a PCInitiate message with an empty TE-PATH-BINDING TLV.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   As per new Binding TLV Structure below, BT is of 1 Byte and there
> will be 3 Byte Reserved.
> >> >
> >> >          0                   1                   2                   3
> >> >
> >> >        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
> >> >
>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >> >       |             Type              |             Length
> |
> >> >
>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >> >       |      BT       |                 Reserved
> |
> >> >
>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >> >       ~            Binding Value (variable length)
> ~
> >> >
>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >    Now, an empty Binding TLV should have length of BT(1 Byte) +
> Reserved (3 Byte) = 4 Byte instead of 2 Byte.
> >> >
> >> >    So, I do not understand how in the draft it is calculated as 2
> Byte. Could you please give me some clue?
> >>
> >>
> >> This seems to be an error IMHO. 4 seems to be correct.
> >
> >
> > Okay. So what would  be your suggestion to developer who is implementing
> this draft? Should it be taken as 4? If draft needs correction
> > when will that be published?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Dhruv
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thanks & Regards,
> >> > Mrinmoy
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Hello Dhruv,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>I appreciate your help. :)=C2=A0<br><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Thanks &amp; Regards,</div><div dir=3D"auto">Mrinmoy</div></div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 7:45 PM Dhruv Dhody &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.ietf@g=
mail.com">dhruv.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">Hi Mrinmoy,<br>
<br>
I will give authors some time to respond and confirm (and spin a new<br>
update). I have noted this in the PCE WG wiki [<br>
<a href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/pce/wiki/WikiStart" rel=3D"noreferrer=
 noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/pce/wiki/WikiStar=
t</a> ] to make sure we could<br>
track this to closure.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
Dhruv<br>
<br>
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:11 PM Mrinmoy Das &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mrinmoy.i=
etf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mrinmoy.ietf@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hi Dhruv,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks for your quick reply.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have added PCE WG in this mail. More inline.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks &amp; Regards,<br>
&gt; Mrinmoy<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:00 PM Dhruv Dhody &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhru=
v.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dhruv.ietf@gmail.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi Mrinmoy,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I was suggest you to also include <a href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">pce@ietf.org</a>; WG could benefit fro=
m<br>
&gt;&gt; the discussion in future. More inline.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mrinmoy Das &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
mrinmoy.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mrinmoy.ietf@g=
mail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Respected Authors and Contributors,<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Hope you all are doing well and safe in this tough times of C=
orona Virus Outbreak.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I like to draw your attention regarding some parts of draft-i=
etf-pce-binding-label-sid-02 which I didn&#39;t able to understand properly=
.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; 1. BT =3D 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carried in th=
e format<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value=
 is valid, and<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be cons=
idered invalid.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Length MUST be set to 7.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Previous versions of private draft uses 4 =
byte to store MPLS 20 Bit label and ignores TC, S &amp; TTL fields.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The length in the previous version was 6, which was incorrect. The=
 TLV<br>
&gt;&gt; length is as per <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5440#se=
ction-7.1" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ie=
tf.org/html/rfc5440#section-7.1</a><br>
&gt;&gt; Which didnt make sense and your calculation below is correct!<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0But in IETF draft after TLV structure rede=
finition, total length of the TLV becomes 7, i.e. BT(1 Byte)+Reserved(3 Byt=
e)+MPLS 20bit Label(3 Byte) =3D 7 Byte<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Yes<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0So, now MPLS 20 Bit Labelwill be stored in=
 3 byte. Is it correct?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; You can consider it a case of rounding up 20 bits to 3 bytes.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If this is correct then I feel the wording=
 of the above paragraph needs to be more specific, meaning in 3 Byte Label =
there will be no space for TTL, so<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0my suggestion is to make below correction:=
<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0BT =3D 0: The binding value is an MPLS lab=
el carried in the format<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value=
 is valid, and<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be cons=
idered invalid.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Length MUST be set to 7.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; My suggestion would be not mention any of the other fields and tal=
k<br>
&gt;&gt; only of 20 bits of Label. I see other SR RFCs take similar approac=
h.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Sounds Good. I&#39;m agree with you.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; 2. In some cases, a stateful PCE can request the PCC to alloc=
ate a<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0binding value.=C2=A0 It may do so by sending a PC=
Upd message containing an<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0empty TE-PATH-BINDING TLV, i.e., no binding value=
 is specified<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0(making the length field of the TLV as 2).=C2=A0 =
A PCE can also make the<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0request PCC to allocate a binding at the time of =
initiation by<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0sending a PCInitiate message with an empty TE-PAT=
H-BINDING TLV.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0As per new Binding TLV Structure below, BT is of =
1 Byte and there will be 3 Byte Reserved.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 =
7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Type=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Length=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Reserved=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0~=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 Binding Value (variable length)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ~<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Now, an empty Binding TLV should have length of =
BT(1 Byte) + Reserved (3 Byte) =3D 4 Byte instead of 2 Byte.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So, I do not understand how in the draft it is c=
alculated as 2 Byte. Could you please give me some clue?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; This seems to be an error IMHO. 4 seems to be correct.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Okay. So what would=C2=A0 be your suggestion to developer who is imple=
menting this draft? Should it be taken as 4? If draft needs correction<br>
&gt; when will that be published?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Thanks!<br>
&gt;&gt; Dhruv<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Thanks &amp; Regards,<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Mrinmoy<br>
</blockquote></div>

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Hi Dhruv,=20

I agree with your proposed changes:

1. only mention the 20 bits label value
2. fix the length to 4.


Thanks.
s.


> On Mar 24, 2020, at 3:14 PM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Mrinmoy,
>=20
> I will give authors some time to respond and confirm (and spin a new
> update). I have noted this in the PCE WG wiki [
> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/pce/wiki/WikiStart ] to make sure we could
> track this to closure.
>=20
> Thanks!
> Dhruv
>=20
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:11 PM Mrinmoy Das <mrinmoy.ietf@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>=20
>> Hi Dhruv,
>>=20
>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>=20
>> I have added PCE WG in this mail. More inline.
>>=20
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> Mrinmoy
>>=20
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:00 PM Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Hi Mrinmoy,
>>>=20
>>> I was suggest you to also include pce@ietf.org; WG could benefit =
from
>>> the discussion in future. More inline.
>>>=20
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mrinmoy Das <mrinmoy.ietf@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> Respected Authors and Contributors,
>>>>=20
>>>> Hope you all are doing well and safe in this tough times of Corona =
Virus Outbreak.
>>>>=20
>>>> I like to draw your attention regarding some parts of =
draft-ietf-pce-binding-label-sid-02 which I didn't able to understand =
properly.
>>>>=20
>>>> 1. BT =3D 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carried in the =
format
>>>>=20
>>>>  specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value is valid, and
>>>>  other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be considered invalid.
>>>>  The Length MUST be set to 7.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>    Previous versions of private draft uses 4 byte to store MPLS 20 =
Bit label and ignores TC, S & TTL fields.
>>>=20
>>> The length in the previous version was 6, which was incorrect. The =
TLV
>>> length is as per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5440#section-7.1
>>> Which didnt make sense and your calculation below is correct!
>>>=20
>>>>    But in IETF draft after TLV structure redefinition, total length =
of the TLV becomes 7, i.e. BT(1 Byte)+Reserved(3 Byte)+MPLS 20bit =
Label(3 Byte) =3D 7 Byte
>>>=20
>>> Yes
>>>=20
>>>>    So, now MPLS 20 Bit Labelwill be stored in 3 byte. Is it =
correct?
>>>=20
>>> You can consider it a case of rounding up 20 bits to 3 bytes.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>    If this is correct then I feel the wording of the above =
paragraph needs to be more specific, meaning in 3 Byte Label there will =
be no space for TTL, so
>>>>    my suggestion is to make below correction:
>>>>=20
>>>>    BT =3D 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carried in the =
format
>>>>=20
>>>>  specified in [RFC5462] where only the label value is valid, and
>>>>  other fields (TC, S, and TTL) fields MUST be considered invalid.
>>>>  The Length MUST be set to 7.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> My suggestion would be not mention any of the other fields and talk
>>> only of 20 bits of Label. I see other SR RFCs take similar approach.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sounds Good. I'm agree with you.
>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> 2. In some cases, a stateful PCE can request the PCC to allocate a
>>>>=20
>>>>  binding value.  It may do so by sending a PCUpd message containing =
an
>>>>  empty TE-PATH-BINDING TLV, i.e., no binding value is specified
>>>>  (making the length field of the TLV as 2).  A PCE can also make =
the
>>>>  request PCC to allocate a binding at the time of initiation by
>>>>  sending a PCInitiate message with an empty TE-PATH-BINDING TLV.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>  As per new Binding TLV Structure below, BT is of 1 Byte and there =
will be 3 Byte Reserved.
>>>>=20
>>>>         0                   1                   2                   =
3
>>>>=20
>>>>       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 =
1
>>>>      =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>>>      |             Type              |             Length           =
 |
>>>>      =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>>>      |      BT       |                 Reserved                     =
 |
>>>>      =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>>>      ~            Binding Value (variable length)                   =
 ~
>>>>      =
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>   Now, an empty Binding TLV should have length of BT(1 Byte) + =
Reserved (3 Byte) =3D 4 Byte instead of 2 Byte.
>>>>=20
>>>>   So, I do not understand how in the draft it is calculated as 2 =
Byte. Could you please give me some clue?
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> This seems to be an error IMHO. 4 seems to be correct.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Okay. So what would  be your suggestion to developer who is =
implementing this draft? Should it be taken as 4? If draft needs =
correction
>> when will that be published?
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Thanks!
>>> Dhruv
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>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>> Mrinmoy


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Dear All,
We published draft-chen-pce-sr-policy-ifit-00 (https://datatracker.ietf.org=
/doc/draft-chen-pce-sr-policy-ifit/).
This document aims to define the Extensions to PCEP to distribute SR polici=
es carrying In-situ Flow Information Telemetry information.  The scope is t=
o enable automatically data plane on-path telemetry methods, like IOAM and =
Alternate Marking, when the SR policy is applied.

We would introduce it during the next virtual meeting, that has been moved =
to May or June, and meanwhile, we would really appreciate inputs and review=
s of the document.

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Hi Giuseppe,

Thank you for introducing your draft on the mailing list.

A quick high level questions - Could we make this generic: to be
applied for any Path Setup Type (PST) in PCEP - RSVP-TE, SR, PCECC
etc? I agree that SR might be of immediate importance; but from PCEP
point of view, it could be useful to keep this generic so that we
don't have to reinvent it for other PST.

It might be good idea to tackle the need for this extension in PCEP -
which to me is to make sure that the PCC includes IOAM header in the
data packet with fields as specified by the PCE. Correct?

Also suggest to add capability exchange during open messages before a
peer uses this extension.

Thanks!
Dhruv (as a WG contributor)

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:38 PM Giuseppe Fioccola
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> Dear All,
>
> We published draft-chen-pce-sr-policy-ifit-00 (https://datatracker.ietf.o=
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>
> This document aims to define the Extensions to PCEP to distribute SR poli=
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d Alternate Marking, when the SR policy is applied.
>
>
>
> We would introduce it during the next virtual meeting, that has been move=
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>
>
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> Best Regards,
>
>
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> Giuseppe
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        RFC 8745

        Title:      Path Computation Element Communication Protocol 
                    (PCEP) Extensions for Associating Working and 
                    Protection Label Switched Paths (LSPs) with 
                    Stateful PCE 
        Author:     H. Ananthakrishnan,
                    S. Sivabalan,
                    C. Barth,
                    I. Minei,
                    M. Negi
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       March 2020
        Mailbox:    hari@netflix.com, 
                    msiva@cisco.com, 
                    cbarth@juniper.net,
                    inaminei@google.com, 
                    mahend.ietf@gmail.com
        Pages:      15
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-pce-stateful-path-protection-11.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8745

        DOI:        10.17487/RFC8745

An active stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) is capable of
computing as well as controlling via Path Computation Element
Communication Protocol (PCEP) Multiprotocol Label Switching Traffic
Engineering (MPLS-TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). Furthermore, it is
also possible for an active stateful PCE to create, maintain, and
delete LSPs. This document defines the PCEP extension to associate
two or more LSPs to provide end-to-end path protection.

This document is a product of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard.

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        RFC 8751

        Title:      Hierarchical Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) 
        Author:     D. Dhody,
                    Y. Lee,
                    D. Ceccarelli,
                    J. Shin,
                    D. King
        Status:     Informational
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       March 2020
        Mailbox:    dhruv.ietf@gmail.com, 
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                    daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com,
                    jongyoon.shin@sk.com, 
                    d.king@lancaster.ac.uk
        Pages:      21
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-pce-stateful-hpce-15.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8751

        DOI:        10.17487/RFC8751

A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information on
the current network state received from the Path Computation Clients
(PCCs), including computed Label Switched Paths (LSPs), reserved
resources within the network, and pending path computation requests.
This information may then be considered when computing the path for a
new traffic-engineered LSP or for any associated/dependent LSPs. The
path-computation response from a PCE helps the PCC to gracefully
establish the computed LSP.

The Hierarchical Path Computation Element (H-PCE) architecture allows
the optimum sequence of interconnected domains to be selected and
network policy to be applied if applicable, via the use of a
hierarchical relationship between PCEs.

Combining the capabilities of stateful PCE and the hierarchical PCE
would be advantageous. This document describes general considerations
and use cases for the deployment of stateful, but not stateless, PCEs
using the hierarchical PCE architecture.

This document is a product of the Path Computation Element Working Group of the IETF.


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