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I read the draft "draft-briscoe-tsvwg-cl-architecture-03.txt". In
various palces of the draft there is the use of the word "reservation"
and I am struggling with what does it mean in this context. Admission
control and reservation in PSTN meant the reservation of a physical
circuit for a call. In ATM it meant the reservation of some equivalent
bandwidth (virtual circuit) for the request. In the context of this
draft it is not clear to me what is the "quantity" that is got reserved.


I tend to believe that the admission control presented in this draft is
kind of a "soft" admission control with no associated reservation of any
kind, except perhaps at the ingress. Had there been any reservation a
problem like flash crowd would have never arised.

In section 1.1.3 it is stated that an operator may want to implement
only one(admission control and/or preemption). The discussion that
follows focuses on admission control examples. Would it be possible to
implement preemption only?=20

Regards;

Osama Aboul-Magd
CTO Strategic Standards

Nortel Networks
P.O. Box 3511, Station C
Ottawa, ONT, Canada
K1Y-4H7
e.mail: osama@nortel.com
Phone: +1 613 763-5827
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New">draft-briscoe-tsvwg-cl-architecture-03.txt&quot;. In various palces =
of the draft there is the use of the word &quot;reservation&quot; and I =
am struggling with what does it mean in this context. Admission control =
and reservation in PSTN meant the reservation of a physical circuit for =
a call. In ATM it meant the reservation of some equivalent bandwidth =
(virtual circuit) for the request. In the context of this draft it is =
not clear to me what is the &quot;quantity&quot; that is got reserved. =
</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">I tend to believe that the =
admission control presented in this draft is kind of a &quot;soft&quot; =
admission control with no associated reservation of any kind, except =
perhaps at the ingress. Had there been any reservation a problem like =
flash crowd would have never arised.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">In section 1.1.3 it is stated =
that an operator may want to implement only one(admission control and/or =
preemption). The discussion that follows focuses on admission control =
examples. Would it be possible to implement preemption only? </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Regards;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Batang">Osama =
Aboul-Magd</FONT>

<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Batang">CTO Strategic =
Standards</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Nortel Networks</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">P.O. Box 3511, Station C</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Ottawa, ONT, Canada</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">K1Y-4H7</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">e.mail: osama@nortel.com</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Phone: +1 613 763-5827</FONT>

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Osama,

=20

Thanks very much for your comments.

=20

You're right, there's no reservation of a physical circuit in the
CL-region (which is the region of the internet enabled with PCN).

=20

What we wanted to do in this deployment model draft was show one
possible "big picture" where QoS is operating end-to-end: PCN as the QoS
mechanism in the CL-region, and IntServ in the access networks between
the end hosts and the CL-region. In these access networks RSVP
signalling sets up an IntServ reservation. In the CL-region, as you
rightly say, there's no reservation - instead our measurement-based
admission control scheme is used to decide whether or not to accept the
new flow request.=20

=20

Also, as I think you suggest, the ingress gateway of the CL-region will
store RSVP signalling state and could also do policing (to make sure a
source isn't sending more traffic into the CL-region than it's paying
for).

=20

The draft shouldn't use "reservation" to imply there's a reservation of
capacity in the CL-region. Will try and make this clearer in the next
version. Would appreciate it if you could point out the bits of text
that were misleading.=20

=20

I'm not sure I'd say our PCN mechanism delivers "soft" QoS. We believe
that the admission control / flow pre-emption mechanisms mean you
achieve Controlled Load QoS (under the assumptions given in Section
2.2).

=20

Re section 1.1.3 - Yes, personally I believe it would be possible to
implement only the flow pre-emption mechanism of PCN - perhaps relying
for admission control on the static traffic conditioning agreements of
the DiffServ architecture [RFC2475]. But we think it's a good idea for
us to develop both the admission control & flow pre-emption mechanisms
of PCN.

=20

Thanks

Philip Eardley=20

=20

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Osama Aboul-Magd [mailto:osama@nortel.com]=20
Sent: 17 August 2006 14:57
To: pcn@ietf.org
Subject: [PCN] What does "reservation" mean?

=20

I read the draft "draft-briscoe-tsvwg-cl-architecture-03.txt". In
various palces of the draft there is the use of the word "reservation"
and I am struggling with what does it mean in this context. Admission
control and reservation in PSTN meant the reservation of a physical
circuit for a call. In ATM it meant the reservation of some equivalent
bandwidth (virtual circuit) for the request. In the context of this
draft it is not clear to me what is the "quantity" that is got reserved.


I tend to believe that the admission control presented in this draft is
kind of a "soft" admission control with no associated reservation of any
kind, except perhaps at the ingress. Had there been any reservation a
problem like flash crowd would have never arised.

In section 1.1.3 it is stated that an operator may want to implement
only one(admission control and/or preemption). The discussion that
follows focuses on admission control examples. Would it be possible to
implement preemption only?=20

Regards;=20

Osama Aboul-Magd=20
CTO Strategic Standards=20

Nortel Networks=20
P.O. Box 3511, Station C=20
Ottawa, ONT, Canada=20
K1Y-4H7=20
e.mail: osama@nortel.com=20
Phone: +1 613 763-5827=20
Fax: +1 613 763-2697=20


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You&#8217;re right, there&#8217;s =
no
reservation of a physical circuit in the CL-region (which is the region =
of the
internet enabled with PCN).</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What we wanted to do in this =
deployment
model draft was show one possible &#8220;big picture&#8221; where QoS is
operating end-to-end: PCN as the QoS mechanism in the CL-region, and =
IntServ in
the access networks between the end hosts and the CL-region. In these =
access
networks RSVP signalling sets up an IntServ reservation. In the =
CL-region, as
you rightly say, there&#8217;s no reservation &#8211; instead our
measurement-based admission control scheme is used to decide whether or =
not to
accept the new flow request. </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also, as I think you suggest, the =
ingress
gateway of the CL-region will store RSVP signalling state and could also =
do
policing (to make sure a source isn&#8217;t sending more traffic into =
the
CL-region than it&#8217;s paying for).</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The draft shouldn&#8217;t use =
&#8220;reservation&#8221;
to imply there&#8217;s a reservation of capacity in the CL-region. Will =
try and
make this clearer in the next version. Would appreciate it if you could =
point
out the bits of text that were misleading. </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d say =
our PCN
mechanism delivers &#8220;soft&#8221; QoS. We believe that the admission
control / flow pre-emption mechanisms mean you achieve Controlled Load =
QoS
(under the assumptions given in Section 2.2).</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Re section 1.1.3 - Yes, personally =
I believe
it would be possible to implement only the flow pre-emption mechanism of =
PCN &#8211;
perhaps relying for admission control on the static traffic conditioning
agreements of the DiffServ architecture [RFC2475]. But we think =
it&#8217;s a
good idea for us to develop both the admission control &amp; flow =
pre-emption
mechanisms of PCN.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Philip Eardley </span></font></p>

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lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Osama Aboul-Magd
[mailto:osama@nortel.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 17 August 2006 =
14:57<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pcn@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [PCN] What does
&quot;reservation&quot; mean?</span></font></p>

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<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I read the draft &quot;</span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>draft-briscoe-tsvwg-cl-architecture-03.txt&quot;.
In various palces of the draft there is the use of the word
&quot;reservation&quot; and I am struggling with what does it mean in =
this
context. Admission control and reservation in PSTN meant the reservation =
of a
physical circuit for a call. In ATM it meant the reservation of some =
equivalent
bandwidth (virtual circuit) for the request. In the context of this =
draft it is
not clear to me what is the &quot;quantity&quot; that is got reserved. =
</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I tend to believe =
that the
admission control presented in this draft is kind of a &quot;soft&quot;
admission control with no associated reservation of any kind, except =
perhaps at
the ingress. Had there been any reservation a problem like flash crowd =
would
have never arised.</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>In section 1.1.3 it =
is
stated that an operator may want to implement only one(admission control =
and/or
preemption). The discussion that follows focuses on admission control =
examples.
Would it be possible to implement preemption only? </span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>Regards;</span></font> </p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Batang;color:navy'>Osama =
Aboul-Magd</span></font>
<br>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Batang;color:navy'>CTO Strategic Standards</span></font> </p>

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Nortel Networks</span></font> <br>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>P.O.
Box 3511, Station C</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Ottawa,
ONT, Canada</span></font> <br>
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osama@nortel.com</span></font> <br>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Phone:
+1 613 763-5827</span></font> <br>
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