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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <157281012172.13535.15070253953969350204.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US-large X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Scan-Signature: 7006e789400ccdeb5065f5d065827fb5 Archived-At: Subject: [Pearg] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00.txt X-BeenThere: pearg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Privacy Enhancements and Assessment Proposed RG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 19:46:53 -0000 Dear all, Since this spring, I've had a conversation with Shivan about the possibility of using differential privacy tools in QUIC to alleviate privacy concerns with the spin bit. We were not able to establish any immediate reason for differential privacy being an appropriate additional tool for this purpose. The resulting inquiry is this draft, which is now posted with a view to gathering comments from all of you (we hope). It will not be presented in Singapore, but we're hoping to develop it over the upcoming months. Please reach out with any questions or comments! best regards, Amelia -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00.txt Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 11:42:01 -0800 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Shivan Sahib , Amelia Andersdotter A new version of I-D, draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Amelia Andersdotter and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3 Revision: 00 Title: Randomized Response Mechanisms in RRT Measurements for HTTP/3 Document date: 2019-11-03 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 15 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3 Abstract: The latency spin bit is an optional feature included in the QUIC transport protocol [I-D-QUIC]. It enables passive, on-path observations for estimation of latency. This document presents the results of an inquiry into the potential of using randomized response mechanisms (RRM) to reduce privacy loss in latency measurements. It concludes that RRM could be used to introduce choice for clients in preserving privacy in latency measurements. But the trade-offs, especially since the latency spin bit is already optional, do not favour RRM. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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boundary="------------ADA7CB3AB37529E03A86BFF8" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ADA7CB3AB37529E03A86BFF8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, I had a quick read... On 03/11/2019 19:46, Amelia Andersdotter wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > Since this spring, I've had a conversation with Shivan about the > possibility of using differential privacy tools in QUIC to alleviate > privacy concerns with the spin bit. We were not able to establish any > immediate reason for differential privacy being an appropriate > additional tool for this purpose. >=20 > The resulting inquiry is this draft, which is now posted with a view to= > gathering comments from all of you (we hope). >=20 > It will not be presented in Singapore, but we're hoping to develop it > over the upcoming months. Please reach out with any questions or commen= ts! My main comment is to say thanks! It's great to see people document paths-not-taken like this and in such detail. I have one suggestion as you head towards finishing this work: if you were happy to generalise a bit more in your conclusions that could be useful - in particular if you could try characterise the kinds of IETF protocols (or features of those) that might or might not be suited for use of RRM, that could benefit the community. Cheers, S. >=20 > best regards, >=20 > Amelia >=20 >=20 > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00.txt > Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 11:42:01 -0800 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: Shivan Sahib , Amelia Andersdotter > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Amelia Andersdotter and posted to th= e > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3 > Revision: 00 > Title: Randomized Response Mechanisms in RRT Measurements for HTTP/3 > Document date: 2019-11-03 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 15 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-= http3-00.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http= 3/ > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00 > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in= -http3 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > The latency spin bit is an optional feature included in the QUIC > transport protocol [I-D-QUIC]. It enables passive, on-path > observations for estimation of latency. This document presents the > results of an inquiry into the potential of using randomized response > mechanisms (RRM) to reduce privacy loss in latency measurements. It > concludes that RRM could be used to introduce choice for clients in > preserving privacy in latency measurements. 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boundary="000000000000015ef005968d3ccc" Archived-At: Subject: [Pearg] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-rao-pitfol-00.txt X-BeenThere: pearg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Privacy Enhancements and Assessment Proposed RG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 22:57:16 -0000 --000000000000015ef005968d3ccc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi all, Sandeep Rao from Grab, Ryan Guest from Salesforce and I have been discussing log data classification shortly after Ryan's presentation on log data privacy at the IETF 104 PEARG meeting. This draft is a first attempt at exploring ways in which applications can tag log fields as containing personal information for further anonymization/processing. Sandeep will be presenting this draft at the upcoming IETF Singapore PEARG meeting. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 2:44 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-rao-pitfol-00.txt To: Ryan Guest , Sandeep Rao < sandeeprao.ietf@gmail.com>, Shivan Sahib A new version of I-D, draft-rao-pitfol-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Shivan Sahib and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-rao-pitfol Revision: 00 Title: Personal Information Tagging for Logs (PITFoL) Document date: 2019-11-04 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 6 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rao-pitfol-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rao-pitfol/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rao-pitfol-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-rao-pitfol Abstract: Software applications typically generate a large amount of log data in the course of their operation in order to help with monitoring, troubleshooting, etc. However, like all data generated and operated upon by software systems, logs can contain information sensitive to users. Personal data identification and anonymization in logs is thus crucial to ensure that no personal data is being inadvertently logged and retained which would make the logging application run afoul of laws around storing private information. This document focuses on exploring mechanisms to specify personal or sensitive data in logs, to enable any server collecting, processing or analyzing logs to identify personal data and thereafter, potentially enforce any redaction. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --000000000000015ef005968d3ccc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

Sandeep R= ao from Grab, Ryan Guest from Salesforce and I have been discussing log dat= a classification shortly after Ryan's presentation on log data privacy = at the IETF 104 PEARG meeting. This draft is a first attempt at exploring w= ays in which applications can tag log fields as containing personal informa= tion for further=C2=A0anonymization/processing.=C2=A0

Sandeep will be= presenting this draft at the upcoming IETF Singapore PEARG meeting.=C2=A0<= /div>
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Date: Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 2:44 PM
Subject: New = Version Notification for draft-rao-pitfol-00.txt
To: Ryan Guest <rguest@salesforce.co= m>, Sandeep Rao <sandeeprao.ietf@gmail.com>, Shivan Sahib <shivankaulsahib@gma= il.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-rao-pitfol-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Shivan Sahib and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-rao-pitfol
Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A000
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Personal Information Tagging for L= ogs (PITFoL)
Document date:=C2=A0 2019-11-04
Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission
Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 6
URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rao-pitfol-00.txt
Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://d= atatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rao-pitfol/
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://tools.iet= f.org/html/draft-rao-pitfol-00
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-rao-pitfol


Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Software applications typically generate a large amount of log= data
=C2=A0 =C2=A0in the course of their operation in order to help with monitor= ing,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0troubleshooting, etc.=C2=A0 However, like all data generated a= nd operated
=C2=A0 =C2=A0upon by software systems, logs can contain information sensiti= ve to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0users.=C2=A0 Personal data identification and anonymization in= logs is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0thus crucial to ensure that no personal data is being inadvert= ently
=C2=A0 =C2=A0logged and retained which would make the logging application r= un
=C2=A0 =C2=A0afoul of laws around storing private information.=C2=A0 This d= ocument
=C2=A0 =C2=A0focuses on exploring mechanisms to specify personal or sensiti= ve data
=C2=A0 =C2=A0in logs, to enable any server collecting, processing or analyz= ing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0logs to identify personal data and thereafter, potentially enf= orce
=C2=A0 =C2=A0any redaction.





Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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Tue, 05 Nov 2019 11:38:09 +0100 To: Stephen Farrell , pearg@irtf.org References: <157281012172.13535.15070253953969350204.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Amelia Andersdotter Autocrypt: addr=amelia@article19.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFjWlnsBEAC+jUN+LJE+mmxEL8lHSrvg47xSBMb9GdtH1Jr8tRSxXiO6R5E+FydsfqkL sjO0dI3x/VnNBi/kgPFFWiAzDEwGTiR/C9b/Muo+xrY+it6e49N56LTPGezrY2dy5yo6VcLl 7UwGz3fIWiNIj7dvuoPMBoO1uacF073E+dqDM5CmNh6o+OrHW8zhUlC9hKgXCq+8XpZJw90H un1zsHF0sRDiurjfYaCcbdAGK9+th9378ed1ZvLVo5uBVQXdydl3eJkNCOELq7VOS7oxSliA uX5/nj9A4LjeeYXgNbwGfKrMjlffP0FcAcgfzg9seqDd1DEk9EVaUMTr32fbWOQHjinXSC7r Lw4xaNfoBebIe1M6z16Xg7+bXXCTdmJYcL9ugmkvT6tGnR12Pfoca1oBwXPvA0VIRi86kCSU D9qvZ3Vl07MKD2hsvFkGZJOQfEaYv5QLpCWv6RCjfDNC05IyMeSW4H18Fr/BoHX8FXHV3+9H LsbJQ/Zrofd/Cm+TKEmXLAtYc7iXvzV+mw3/u0VYqjEy/CRYa62Ah0NNNVIuswfRVIfx3UZo jX4y8j2Kh0jtUV5A4GGf8H3SzQ/cB0I7wTRHU9mCPVCtH6M26nPumL4Zr4D6uGnAmPf9xnlX lokOn2Qxf/mBldsL41PDbEpYhZvvn5kJ/Z9Qh7Fks/hfTbbJowARAQABtEFBbWVsaWEgQW5k ZXJzZG90dGVyIChUZWNobmljYWwgY29uc3VsdGFudCkgPGFtZWxpYUBhcnRpY2xlMTkub3Jn PokCVAQTAQgAPhYhBD1dtsq4UrmIBVpqb/7xwpS06AtVBQJZbJ97AhsjBQkJZgGABQsJCAcC BhUICQoLAgQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEP7xwpS06AtVgrcQAJYg+mhDhui+9xNb9PuRJbelOI7J WlCjSycfaMi+rTJ9FjVKYIE9aug2VV486BZaeqMoOh5wjl61oeRTDHYG6HvhK4w8O/BVPsL0 8MEfYfpFevZmBsInEJypg0r7VJ/SeO9UyaFKUffgvLyiYwk7zJIgx5dHF5Vch0kTtRNc/Wbe 9MGfhl//1Ztl8GjGqzra7MwzaO12ctTDo7LIvXGqrpYm5g7+hRv3+KYVOJvlh4T4deAzNlX1 F/jj4cOYvJJxP2OMPZxoleQZSf63h0hWnKlQWX3UiUZY/M296V6niGDCQHX1q7oz9YWxwUun mNPltaPnTdvE51N98Q+hhrw39XowN0vYhfphaFNrf/crNKTB5Iqx62aAzYwqXQKlh6EtWAri 2rVB9vXxPv+1eL9t/Kga2JyCjmJVtYJxlZWceyW3EKjK+E7qjr1LHDFjV8ZbvN7QRTdjsuzR Ggz3ECba80Ij2/tASE8IXpT/Zb68NeSx3/nDXkIG13inSvGy8yNovzEADXsGO16GSx5Rool/ ECFhTYksMyM73FkvcpvXo6J+neyGEVKDx1Oy213KgTrAOrA+p2hMI2nX9sI5tvWms8XspwQ5 wtmzDribnZNQzpdrb45Chv56LjrKVer9tmraRq8Qe3mL6jXhMPWLim1OeAx6m3qBzKr3QxuG PdADCLHsuQINBFjWlnsBEADFjusaTo9W8VeWluCK/oJqyyyF1wMvou0ldfuoOpUZrOqsY67T M7yBqsv5COPVgAV+xp+axor5oHWxibd283w0Ok4dK6tvtNGwUqyDRlHtQ92DG/u4Tg5eOwrH NUn73/rfeBD9KhKAXcNKKPoccLgR8oQTXpO7eRo+0NI52pXQ6LdZ0wddYeTcHglsNKN1TK+C yYS7xfGolsZXXoBOKcyhfj/ckPFVIHWpGpEtcYWTZWvXgLprzHvpKzkzNyBwejaXE+bqCT2d Rl3omI/e2t3Vq33hFUUSAdxrFF29vMX/YsSnYqsFOIoayna+TRsDFAfZvbvHBOMckeJzvA8y Bdadw7CM08Uw8wqH7n9BA3oq//QpZJekPfrc2E9nM9H0d51T0uStLMbYDWdwxvfPA3p9z8L9 1vobt8bM/Jbhl9h+X2Yq9oBCiTI7b2izYd9FVG4BwBIdeh3bh9R9HExgRjF3XQ6uafT3pcVO PASdv9FRUYH1Va7QWQifoha0B7UXKx1OpX1Z6XR2NQ9KN2MvlwvBKdHtm6tBzUIFzW6D8vUO xiYKBA4fppJt/LJF4jsaCEyI/CVQnkC0yL5DKFOdigxTipwEL9Uc6r7VfR5OAGFd6vzuJFy+ j+/WhzaVT1oVYp6eQXh0bBtqqH2Mq9sAMnIjvaNYIKiQKgMa1Pa3OWQbQQARAQABiQI8BBgB CAAmFiEEPV22yrhSuYgFWmpv/vHClLToC1UFAljWlnsCGwwFCQlmAYAACgkQ/vHClLToC1Xn Rw//W4lzE8FddceKXGRwO/T1u4uzH9EjPCj+3/eHCrLI+h1m7QPyH1DrFAtZBoA6UoaF0+vI AJXM9/HI1FZ09EUdJr5X/+YREErFom4DbE1FK8fpK1/Hw2zI+7Xa8bVkmYrKhMGhi1Gq6Dtk sn/H4USdJL53ZPt10SVNK7H3w93Yp1GC4+0zWjfrsKfsHYZZr2SZyb5/gZlngfgaqiQLhIcP YmiU1GQi9QWkGxWRxk0YQXBwhekewvgltATxlRSCwguAi4uck9fAct9GGdpsshSOgAb9YIAn EV3EqaGnf0PknXp3vNHAZWrfM+RyuNdm2L5TjDU0rIrvyqGP3pR33cREGOAil5Sz2uFArmws Pt8VffbEXlf7qZqRBKaYeKt0qnxKMx1+e1JilVsfb8qtnAWAFDyR0HMlVj/dvGAmq/auPSOA UWRSnDRyT6rv/vXxrbkL4uxWax46qdpDhR15mS5MTng6b5b3Uox7xlveo/Sx71AdNf4goPvB /ntv0DiMuh+fmLGk3zrxs4Xd30Sx+qQwVaXR5xc5rgnF81wvfmuAOb2eP9mpD6DoabkpxC8f Lk17AK7Q1ZTgcZ+8XLRFnavdPrwCa9RU0BF53lJMSTPzyBcMwZ4sqA6Z5IRFVt7rEbSeeD8R Eiawo+FvVt9j0fKdNEBeaJ3WY5hlhNPcUXr4q1U= Organization: ARTICLE19 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:37:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US-large X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Scan-Signature: acce7ce4444675d86ac1a19c5a5a969d Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pearg] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00.txt X-BeenThere: pearg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Privacy Enhancements and Assessment Proposed RG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 10:38:16 -0000 Hey Stephen, Thanks for your quick response! On 2019-11-03 22:46, Stephen Farrell wrote: > I have one suggestion as you head towards finishing this > work: if you were happy to generalise a bit more in your > conclusions that could be useful - in particular if you > could try characterise the kinds of IETF protocols (or > features of those) that might or might not be suited for > use of RRM, that could benefit the community. I'll skirt the issue in the context of spin bit: One way in which it might be applicable still in QUIC is that it should be fairly possible to assign the parameters we describe (P, Q, R, m, etc) in such a way that in Section 3.1.2, you end up in event C or D (events which permit useful inferences on RRT and latency) about 1/8 of the time. This is already called for in Section 17.3.1 of the QUIC draft, but differently: Section 17.3.1 recommends that 1/8 of all connections to be subject to measurement at any one time. As I understand this, you need somehow a global view of all connections to make this happen. RRM could make statistically useless 7/8 of all measurements made on a single connection. It cannot really help on all connections in aggregate because it is tied to a single connection (identified by the IP-address), but it can obscure/delay measurement on a single connection.= I think Section 7.2 in RFC6973 is a really interesting reference point here: To adapt Section 3.1.2 as described, you'd have to remove from the client and server the ability to choose P, Q and R because you'd be going for some long-run solution to the Markov chain. The QUIC draft proposal, as far as I understand, requires that some central entity can stochastically impose activation or de-activation on a client of the spin bit, such that, on average, only 1/8 of clients have it turned on at any time. Both of these solutions interfere with User Control! It's somehow philosophical what you consider a worse interference: static parameters that are set for a client in a standard procedure or non-static parameters that are imposed on the client in operation. Maybe someone who's more directly involved in the QUIC work could reflect on this. I'm still thinking about the situation in Section 3.2 - I expect it to lead to a situation where most observations indicate far too short RTTs, so you could ask, for instance, if taking only the top 1/8 of measurements is an option? If you make observations for, say, 160 seconds, then the top 1/8 of measurements will /not/ be equivalent to measurements taken under a period of 20 seconds (1/8 of 160). --- I expect RRM to be applicable in situations where a property does not need to be communicated exactly for some currently-in-use feature to work. One idea could be the state of alt-svc when alt-svc is not used. On the other hand, we could argue that the state should be cleared if it is not used! Possibly different judgments could be made for resource-contrained and non-resource-constrained environments. Will check some previous work. Thanks again for the feedback! best regards, Amelia > Cheers, > S. > > > >> best regards, >> >> Amelia >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: New Version Notification for >> draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00.txt >> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 11:42:01 -0800 >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> To: Shivan Sahib , Amelia Andersdotter >> >> >> >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Amelia Andersdotter and posted to t= he >> IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3 >> Revision: 00 >> Title: Randomized Response Mechanisms in RRT Measurements for HTTP/3 >> Document date: 2019-11-03 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 15 >> URL: >> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in= -http3-00.txt >> Status: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-htt= p3/ >> Htmlized: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-in-http3-00= >> Htmlized: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-andersdotter-rrm-for-rrt-i= n-http3 >> >> >> Abstract: >> The latency spin bit is an optional feature included in the QUIC >> transport protocol [I-D-QUIC]. It enables passive, on-path >> observations for estimation of latency. This document presents the >> results of an inquiry into the potential of using randomized response >> mechanisms (RRM) to reduce privacy loss in latency measurements. It >> concludes that RRM could be used to introduce choice for clients in >> preserving privacy in latency measurements. But the trade-offs, >> especially since the latency spin bit is already optional, do not >> favour RRM. >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of subm= ission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> --=20 Amelia Andersdotter Technical Consultant, Digital Programme Chair, RCM TIG, IEEE 802.11 ARTICLE19 www.article19.org PGP: 3D5D B6CA B852 B988 055A 6A6F FEF1 C294 B4E8 0B55 From nobody Wed Nov 6 16:35:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pearg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pearg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21291200CC for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 16:35:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.747 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.747 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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boundary="00000000000055bb0a05978149c6" Archived-At: Subject: [Pearg] PEARG IETF 106 agenda X-BeenThere: pearg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Privacy Enhancements and Assessment Proposed RG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 02:07:03 -0000 --00000000000055bb0a05978149c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi all, PEARG is meeting tomorrow (Monday, Nov 18) during the first afternoon session 1.30 pm - 3.30 pm (Singapore time / SGT) at room Canning (4th floor) of Raffles City Convention Center. We'll be having three presentations on: data privacy in machine learning, privacy-preserving applications of homomorphic encryption, and tagging log data for personal information. Iraklis Symeonidis will be presenting a new draft on analyzing private messaging for privacy and security threats: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-symeonidis-pearg-private-messaging-threats-00 For remote participation: 1. Register to participate remotely (free): https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf106/remotereg.py 2. Follow the session remotely: https://www.meetecho.com/ietf106/pearg Thanks, Shivan --00000000000055bb0a05978149c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=C2=A0all,

PEARG is meeting tomor= row (Monday, Nov 18) during the first afternoon session 1.30 pm - 3.30 pm (= Singapore time / SGT) at room Canning (4= th floor)=C2=A0of Raffles City Convention Center.=C2=A0

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We'll be having three presentations=C2=A0on: data privacy in = machine learning, privacy-preserving applications of homomorphic encryption= , and tagging log data for personal information.=C2=A0
Iraklis Sy= meonidis will be presenting a new draft on analyzing private messaging for = privacy and security threats:=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/= html/draft-symeonidis-pearg-private-messaging-threats-00

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For remote participation:

1. Register t= o participate remotely (free):
https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf106/remoter= eg.py=C2=A0

2. Follow the session remotely:
https://www.meetecho.com/ietf106/pearg=C2=A0


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