Subject: [perpass] Only peer to peer, or end user to end user encryption will be most effective . . .

From: Steve Sarbot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 06:00:26 -0700 (PDT)

. . .  Even before June, Google executives worried about infiltration of their networks. The Washington Post reported on Wednesday that the N.S.A. was tapping into the links between data centers, the beating heart of tech companies housing user information, confirming that their suspicions were not just paranoia.

. . . Yet one major caveat remains. While the IETF might be able to secure the pipes through which users’ data travel, users must also be able to trust the parties where their data is stored: software, hardware and services.

Also, because the Gov't can force ISP's and internet companies to hand over their keys, and without notifying the end users, all this requires that the IETF implement peer to peer, or end user to end user applications with strong encryption and those be engineered into the fabric of the internet.

It is widely known that https has been deciphered by the NSA.