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From: von Hugo, Dirk
Sent: Freitag, 3. August 2018 09:49
To: pidloc@ietf.org
Subject: test - please ignore!

 

Sorry for that!

 

Best Regards
Dirk

 

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Descriptions of privacy always seem to be qualitative as opposed to quantitative. A good example is around recommendations to periodically change addresses. Intutively, randomly changing addresses on a host helps privacy, and the more frequently addresses are changed the better for privacy. But that's entirely unqualified intuition. If the period of address changes goes from 12 hrs. to 6 hrs., we can't say that the probabiliy of a user's privacy being compromised has been cut in half. In fact, we can't really say much as all-- it's at best a _maybe_ that a user's privacy has improved. To this end, a proposed set of criteria for strong privacy in addressing is provided in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-herbert-ipv6-prefix-address-privacy-00. The proposed criteria are: o Addresses are composed of a global routing prefix and a suffix that is internal to an organization or provider. This is the same property for IP addresses [RFC4291]. o The registry and organization of an address can be determined by the network prefix. This is true for any global address. The organizational bits in the address should have minimal hierarchy to prevent inference. It might be reasonable to have an internal prefix that divides identifiers based on broad geographic regions, but detailed information such as location, department in an enterprise, or device type should not be encoded in a globally visible address. o Given two addresses and no other information, the desired properties of correlating them are: o It can be inferred if they belong to the same organization and registry. This is true for any two global IP addresses. o It may be inferred that they belong to the same broad grouping, such as a geographic region, if the information is encoded in the organizational bits of the address. o No other correlation can be established. It cannot be inferred that the IP addresses address the same node, the addressed nodes reside in the same subnet, rack, or department, or that the nodes for the two addresses have any geographic proximity to one another. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: a76472c6-bfe9-4537-a4a9-08d5fecedadf X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 10 Aug 2018 14:37:53.0976 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bde4dffc-4b60-4cf6-8b04-a5eeb25f5c4f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: FRAPR01MB0801 X-OriginatorOrg: telekom.de Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pidloc] Criteria or metric for privacy in IP addressing X-BeenThere: pidloc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:38:05 -0000 Dear Tom, thanks for pointing to this useful draft.=20 I agree that privacy is always relative and strongly depends on the use cas= e, environment, personalization of the end device ... BTW as question for clarification: What is the difference between changing and updating an address? The first = is breaking a session continuation while the second doesn't? Nits I detected:=20 The reference to [IPWAVE] is missing - I guess it should be https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking/ the draft you t= alk about on p.6 ?! On p. 7 single a /64 to each device =3D> a single /64 prefix to each device p. 13 would require an new address =3D> would require a new address are able decode =3D> are able to decode p. 14 part of all of an IPv6 address =3D> part or all of an IPv6 address [?] My 2 cents comments ;-) Thanks! Best Regards Dirk=20 -----Original Message----- From: Pidloc [mailto:pidloc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert Sent: Mittwoch, 8. August 2018 17:20 To: pidloc@ietf.org Subject: [Pidloc] Criteria or metric for privacy in IP addressing Hello, In discussions about privacy in the IETF there does not seem to be any metr= ics or criteria about what "good privacy" is for a user. Descriptions of privacy always seem to be qualitative as opposed to quantit= ative. A good example is around recommendations to periodically change addresses. = Intutively, randomly changing addresses on a host helps privacy, and the mo= re frequently addresses are changed the better for privacy. But that's enti= rely unqualified intuition. If the period of address changes goes from 12 h= rs. to 6 hrs., we can't say that the probabiliy of a user's privacy being c= ompromised has been cut in half. In fact, we can't really say much as all-- it's at best a _maybe_ that a us= er's privacy has improved. To this end, a proposed set of criteria for strong privacy in addressing is= provided in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-herbert-ipv6-prefix-address-= privacy-00. The proposed criteria are: o Addresses are composed of a global routing prefix and a suffix that is i= nternal to an organization or provider. This is the same property for IP ad= dresses [RFC4291]. o The registry and organization of an address can be determined by the netw= ork prefix. This is true for any global address. The organizational bits in= the address should have minimal hierarchy to prevent inference. It might b= e reasonable to have an internal prefix that divides identifiers based on b= road geographic regions, but detailed information such as location, departm= ent in an enterprise, or device type should not be encoded in a globally vi= sible address. o Given two addresses and no other information, the desired properties of c= orrelating them are: o It can be inferred if they belong to the same organization and regis= try. This is true for any two global IP addresses. o It may be inferred that they belong to the same broad grouping, such= as a geographic region, if the information is encoded in the organizationa= l bits of the address. o No other correlation can be established. It cannot be inferred that = the IP addresses address the same node, the addressed nodes reside in the s= ame subnet, rack, or department, or that the nodes for the two addresses ha= ve any geographic proximity to one another. -- Pidloc mailing list Pidloc@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pidloc From nobody Wed Aug 22 08:35:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pidloc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pidloc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68ECF130E17 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2018 08:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.31 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.31 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=telekom.de header.b=T0Z6gVEm; 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Recent publications on 5G core (as e.g. https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id= =3D3229583&preflayout=3Dflat) seem to not yet tackle the issues in broad en= ough detail. Please, if you could forward an invitation to join to colleagues and member= s of the community who may provide relevant work we all would benefit from,= please do so! Thanks a lot in advance! Best Regards - also on behalf of Behcet Dirk=20