Subject: Re: [PMOL] WGLC: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt
From: Al Morton <[email-masked]>
To: Benoit Claise <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:30:36 -0400
List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers <pmol.ietf.org>

and now, version 12...

At 10:20 AM 7/26/2011, Al Morton wrote:
>Thanks Benoit, the WGLC now applies to version 11.
>Al
>
>At 08:45 PM 7/25/2011, Benoit Claise wrote:
>>Dear all,
>>
>>The issue below has been addressed in the PMOL draft version 11, 
>>which I just posted.
>>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11
>>http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt
>>
>>Regards, Benoit.
>>>PMOL WG,
>>>
>>>A revised I-D is available which addresses *almost all* IESG
>>>DISCUSSes and COMMENTs (see forwarded message below).
>>>
>>>At least one issue remains, but it is believed to be
>>>straightforward to resolve it:
>>>>5) Section 6.2 is the section of the document that is going to guide
>>>>reviewers. It's not as clear as it needs to be. For instance, reviewers
>>>>are being asked to assess a metric according the qualification
>>>>"use cases" and that is the only place the string appears in the document.
>>>>What are you requiring with respect to use cases?
>>>
>>>(In follow-up discussion, we've determined that all the list items in
>>>section 6.2 should be expanded to clarify the information sought.)
>>>
>>>Since there were substantial changes to address IESG comments,
>>>there will be another WGLC for comments on the revised text.
>>>
>>>Please send any comments to the list by August 8, 2011.
>>>
>>>regards,
>>>Al
>>>pmol co-chair
>>>
>>>At 05:09 AM 7/1/2011, [email-masked] wrote:
>>>>...
>>>>
>>>>         Title           : Guidelines for Considering New 
>>>> Performance Metric Development
>>>>         Author(s)       : Alan Clark
>>>>                           Benoit Claise
>>>>         Filename        : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt
>>>>         Pages           : 22
>>>>         Date            : 2011-07-01
>>>>
>>>>    This document describes a framework and a process for developing
>>>>    Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over
>>>>    IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize
>>>>    traffic on live networks and services.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>>>>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt 
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>PMOL mailing list
>>>[email-masked]
>>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:24:22 -0400
From: Benoit Claise <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [PMOL] Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt

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Dear all,

A new version has been posted, to address the last DISCUSS from Adrian 
Farrel.
All DISCUSS' should be cleared now.

Regards, Benoit.

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Date: 	Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:19:32 -0700
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To: 	[email-masked], 
[email-masked], [email-masked], 
[email-masked]

New version (-12) has been submitted for draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt

Diff from previous version:
http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12

IETF Secretariat.

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    Dear all,<br>
    <br>
    A new version has been posted, to address the last DISCUSS from
    Adrian Farrel.<br>
    All DISCUSS' should be cleared now.<br>
    <br>
    Regards, Benoit.<br>
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    <pre>New version (-12) has been submitted for draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt.
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From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:19:32 -0700
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [PMOL] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies. This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers =
Working Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Develo=
pment
	Author(s)       : Alan Clark
                          Benoit Claise
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2011-07-28

   This document describes a framework and a process for developing
   Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over
   IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize
   traffic on live networks and services.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-12.txt

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:20:39 -0400
To: Benoit Claise <[email-masked]>
From: Al Morton <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [PMOL] WGLC: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt

Thanks Benoit, the WGLC now applies to version 11.
Al

At 08:45 PM 7/25/2011, Benoit Claise wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>The issue below has been addressed in the PMOL draft version 11, 
>which I just posted.
>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11
>http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt
>
>Regards, Benoit.
>>PMOL WG,
>>
>>A revised I-D is available which addresses *almost all* IESG
>>DISCUSSes and COMMENTs (see forwarded message below).
>>
>>At least one issue remains, but it is believed to be
>>straightforward to resolve it:
>>>5) Section 6.2 is the section of the document that is going to guide
>>>reviewers. It's not as clear as it needs to be. For instance, reviewers
>>>are being asked to assess a metric according the qualification
>>>"use cases" and that is the only place the string appears in the document.
>>>What are you requiring with respect to use cases?
>>
>>(In follow-up discussion, we've determined that all the list items in
>>section 6.2 should be expanded to clarify the information sought.)
>>
>>Since there were substantial changes to address IESG comments,
>>there will be another WGLC for comments on the revised text.
>>
>>Please send any comments to the list by August 8, 2011.
>>
>>regards,
>>Al
>>pmol co-chair
>>
>>At 05:09 AM 7/1/2011, [email-masked] wrote:
>>>...
>>>
>>>         Title           : Guidelines for Considering New 
>>> Performance Metric Development
>>>         Author(s)       : Alan Clark
>>>                           Benoit Claise
>>>         Filename        : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt
>>>         Pages           : 22
>>>         Date            : 2011-07-01
>>>
>>>    This document describes a framework and a process for developing
>>>    Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over
>>>    IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize
>>>    traffic on live networks and services.
>>>
>>>
>>>A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>>>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt 
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>PMOL mailing list
>>[email-masked]
>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:45:57 -0400
From: Benoit Claise <[email-masked]>
To: Al Morton <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [PMOL] WGLC: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt

Dear all,

The issue below has been addressed in the PMOL draft version 11, which I 
just posted.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11
http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt

Regards, Benoit.
> PMOL WG,
>
> A revised I-D is available which addresses *almost all* IESG
> DISCUSSes and COMMENTs (see forwarded message below).
>
> At least one issue remains, but it is believed to be
> straightforward to resolve it:
>> 5) Section 6.2 is the section of the document that is going to guide
>> reviewers. It's not as clear as it needs to be. For instance, reviewers
>> are being asked to assess a metric according the qualification
>> "use cases" and that is the only place the string appears in the 
>> document.
>> What are you requiring with respect to use cases?
>
> (In follow-up discussion, we've determined that all the list items in
> section 6.2 should be expanded to clarify the information sought.)
>
> Since there were substantial changes to address IESG comments,
> there will be another WGLC for comments on the revised text.
>
> Please send any comments to the list by August 8, 2011.
>
> regards,
> Al
> pmol co-chair
>
> At 05:09 AM 7/1/2011, [email-masked] wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>         Title           : Guidelines for Considering New Performance 
>> Metric Development
>>         Author(s)       : Alan Clark
>>                           Benoit Claise
>>         Filename        : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt
>>         Pages           : 22
>>         Date            : 2011-07-01
>>
>>    This document describes a framework and a process for developing
>>    Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over
>>    IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize
>>    traffic on live networks and services.
>>
>>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt 
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PMOL mailing list
> [email-masked]
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol

From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:40:29 -0700
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [PMOL] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies. This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers =
Working Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Develo=
pment
	Author(s)       : Alan Clark
                          Benoit Claise
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2011-07-25

   This document describes a framework and a process for developing
   Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over
   IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize
   traffic on live networks and services.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-11.txt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:39:55 -0400
To: [email-masked]
From: Al Morton <[email-masked]>
Subject: [PMOL] WGLC: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt

PMOL WG,

A revised I-D is available which addresses *almost all* IESG
DISCUSSes and COMMENTs (see forwarded message below).

At least one issue remains, but it is believed to be
straightforward to resolve it:
>5) Section 6.2 is the section of the document that is going to guide
>reviewers. It's not as clear as it needs to be. For instance, reviewers
>are being asked to assess a metric according the qualification
>"use cases" and that is the only place the string appears in the document.
>What are you requiring with respect to use cases?

(In follow-up discussion, we've determined that all the list items in
section 6.2 should be expanded to clarify the information sought.)

Since there were substantial changes to address IESG comments,
there will be another WGLC for comments on the revised text.

Please send any comments to the list by August 8, 2011.

regards,
Al
pmol co-chair

At 05:09 AM 7/1/2011, [email-masked] wrote:
>...
>
>         Title           : Guidelines for Considering New 
> Performance Metric Development
>         Author(s)       : Alan Clark
>                           Benoit Claise
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt
>         Pages           : 22
>         Date            : 2011-07-01
>
>    This document describes a framework and a process for developing
>    Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over
>    IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize
>    traffic on live networks and services.
>
>
>A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt

From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 02:09:07 -0700
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [PMOL] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies. This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers =
Working Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Develo=
pment
	Author(s)       : Alan Clark
                          Benoit Claise
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2011-07-01

   This document describes a framework and a process for developing
   Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over
   IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize
   traffic on live networks and services.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-10.txt

From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 00:53:48 -0700
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: [PMOL] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-09.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies. This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers =
Working Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Develo=
pment
	Author(s)       : Alan Clark
                          Benoit Claise
	Filename        : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-09.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2011-07-01

   This document describes a framework and a process for developing
   Performance Metrics of protocols and applications transported over
   IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize
   traffic on live networks and services.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-09.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-09.txt