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Hi,

I am going through the PCIMe.=20

The class SimplePolicyCondition is not clearly defined in the draft.=20

As per the section 3.2.6. ( Variables and Values ) in the document =
"draft-ietf-policy-pcim-ext-08.txt"
the simplecondition / policyvariable / policyvalue are imported from  =
QPIM.

But I cant see the same in the document   =
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Can I get the CIM definition for the SimplePolicyCondition.

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The definition has basically moved from the QoS model to PCIMe, because for 
example the SimplePolicyCondition is used in many other models as well 
among them the QoS model.

Marcus

--On Montag, 2. Dezember 2002 15:08 +0530 Girish Pujari 
<pujarig@mahindrabt.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I am going through the PCIMe.
>
> The class SimplePolicyCondition is not clearly defined in the draft.
>
> As per the section 3.2.6. ( Variables and Values ) in the document
> "draft-ietf-policy-pcim-ext-08.txt"  the simplecondition / policyvariable
> / policyvalue are imported from  QPIM.
> But I cant see the same in the document
> "draft-ietf-policy-qos-device-info-model-08.txt".
> Can I get the CIM definition for the SimplePolicyCondition.
>
>
>
> Thanx
> Regards
>
> Girish Pujari
>
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Marcus,

Thanx for that quick responce.
I am refering to the ietf document "draft-ietf-policy-pcim-ext-08.txt"
The SimplePolicyCondition is refered but not defined.
Where can I find it.I want to the properties of this class.

Thanx
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Girish Pujari

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Subject: Re: [Policy] SimplePolicyCondition

> The definition has basically moved from the QoS model to PCIMe, because
for
> example the SimplePolicyCondition is used in many other models as well
> among them the QoS model.
>
> Marcus
>
> --On Montag, 2. Dezember 2002 15:08 +0530 Girish Pujari
> <pujarig@mahindrabt.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am going through the PCIMe.
> >
> > The class SimplePolicyCondition is not clearly defined in the draft.
> >
> > As per the section 3.2.6. ( Variables and Values ) in the document
> > "draft-ietf-policy-pcim-ext-08.txt"  the simplecondition /
policyvariable
> > / policyvalue are imported from  QPIM.
> > But I cant see the same in the document
> > "draft-ietf-policy-qos-device-info-model-08.txt".
> > Can I get the CIM definition for the SimplePolicyCondition.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanx
> > Regards
> >
> > Girish Pujari
> >
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See section 6.4 of PCIMe.  The class introduces no new properties - its
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Marcus,

Thanx for that quick responce.
I am refering to the ietf document "draft-ietf-policy-pcim-ext-08.txt"
The SimplePolicyCondition is refered but not defined.
Where can I find it.I want to the properties of this class.

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Regards
Girish Pujari

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To: Girish Pujari <pujarig@mahindrabt.com>; <policy@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Policy] SimplePolicyCondition

> The definition has basically moved from the QoS model to PCIMe, because
for
> example the SimplePolicyCondition is used in many other models as well
> among them the QoS model.
>
> Marcus
>
> --On Montag, 2. Dezember 2002 15:08 +0530 Girish Pujari
> <pujarig@mahindrabt.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am going through the PCIMe.
> >
> > The class SimplePolicyCondition is not clearly defined in the draft.
> >
> > As per the section 3.2.6. ( Variables and Values ) in the document
> > "draft-ietf-policy-pcim-ext-08.txt"  the simplecondition /
policyvariable
> > / policyvalue are imported from  QPIM.
> > But I cant see the same in the document
> > "draft-ietf-policy-qos-device-info-model-08.txt".
> > Can I get the CIM definition for the SimplePolicyCondition.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanx
> > Regards
> >
> > Girish Pujari
> >
> > *********************************************************
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Marcus,

Thanx for that quick responce.
I am refering to the ietf document "draft-ietf-policy-pcim-ext-08.txt"
The SimplePolicyCondition is refered but not defined.
Where can I find it.I want to the properties of this class.

Thanx
Regards
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> The definition has basically moved from the QoS model to PCIMe, because
for
> example the SimplePolicyCondition is used in many other models as well
> among them the QoS model.
>
> Marcus
>
> --On Montag, 2. Dezember 2002 15:08 +0530 Girish Pujari
> <pujarig@mahindrabt.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am going through the PCIMe.
> >
> > The class SimplePolicyCondition is not clearly defined in the draft.
> >
> > As per the section 3.2.6. ( Variables and Values ) in the document
> > "draft-ietf-policy-pcim-ext-08.txt"  the simplecondition /
policyvariable
> > / policyvalue are imported from  QPIM.
> > But I cant see the same in the document
> > "draft-ietf-policy-qos-device-info-model-08.txt".
> > Can I get the CIM definition for the SimplePolicyCondition.
> >
> >
> >
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>see section 6.4. on page 43.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Marcus,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanx for that quick responce.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I am refering to the ietf document &quot;draft-ietf-policy-pcim-ext-08.txt&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>The SimplePolicyCondition is refered but not defined.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Where can I find it.I want to the properties of this class.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanx</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Regards</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Girish Pujari</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Girish Pujari &lt;pujarig@mahindrabt.com&gt;; &lt;policy@ietf.org&gt;</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; The definition has basically moved from the QoS model to PCIMe, because</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; example the SimplePolicyCondition is used in many other models as well</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; among them the QoS model.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Marcus</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; --On Montag, 2. Dezember 2002 15:08 +0530 Girish Pujari</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &lt;pujarig@mahindrabt.com&gt; wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Hi,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; I am going through the PCIMe.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; The class SimplePolicyCondition is not clearly defined in the draft.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; As per the section 3.2.6. ( Variables and Values ) in the document</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; &quot;draft-ietf-policy-pcim-ext-08.txt&quot;&nbsp; the simplecondition /</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>policyvariable</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; / policyvalue are imported from&nbsp; QPIM.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; But I cant see the same in the document</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; &quot;draft-ietf-policy-qos-device-info-model-08.txt&quot;.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Can I get the CIM definition for the SimplePolicyCondition.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Thanx</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Regards</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Girish Pujari</FONT>
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Most ENUM property values in Policy documents use consecutive integers
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I normally is good practice to start enums with 1 (Most of the MIB 
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Is 0 (zero) avoided in the model(s) to allow implementations to reserve it
for special situations that are outside the scope of the model? Are there
examples where 0 (zero) makes an implementation less robust?

Thanks,
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I normally is good practice to start enums with 1 (Most of the MIB 
definition follow this practice). Normally, it makes implemetnations more 
robust when starting with 1.

Marcus

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>
> Most ENUM property values in Policy documents use consecutive integers
> starting at 1. The integer value 0 (zero) is skipped. Was there a
> particular reason for this? Some implementers would prefer such values to
> start at 0.
>
> Thanks,
> Mircea.



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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I normally is good practice to start enums with 1 =
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The simplePolicyCondition contains an aggregation of PolicyVariable and =
PolicyValue.
I am trying to put this in LDAP schema and unable create an object of =
SimplePolicyObject.

objectclass ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.61 NAME 'PolicyVariableAux'
 SUP PolicyVariable AUXILIARY
 )

objectclass ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.62 NAME 'PolicyValueAux'
 SUP PolicyValue AUXILIARY
 )

objectclass ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.510 NAME =
'SimplePolicyCondition'
 DESC 'Aux classes that can attach to
 dlm1SupportAccessInstance.'
 AUX ( PolicyVariableAux $ PolicyValueAux )=20
 )

Can anyone suggest the proper class hierarchy ?=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The simplePolicyCondition contains an =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>objectclass ( =
1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.61 NAME=20
'PolicyVariableAux'<BR>&nbsp;SUP PolicyVariable=20
AUXILIARY<BR>&nbsp;)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>objectclass ( =
1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.62 NAME=20
'PolicyValueAux'<BR>&nbsp;SUP PolicyValue =
AUXILIARY<BR>&nbsp;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>objectclass ( =
1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.510 NAME=20
'SimplePolicyCondition'<BR>&nbsp;DESC 'Aux classes that can attach=20
to<BR>&nbsp;dlm1SupportAccessInstance.'<BR>&nbsp;AUX ( PolicyVariableAux =
$=20
PolicyValueAux ) <BR>&nbsp;)<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can anyone suggest the&nbsp;proper =
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There are many possible implementations. One of them might be:
 
[...]
 
attributetypes: ( valueDN-oid NAME 'valueDN'
  SYNTAX '1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.12'  SINGLE-VALUE )
 
attributetypes: ( variableDN-oid NAME 'variableDN'
  SYNTAX '1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.12'  SINGLE-VALUE )
 
objectclasses: ( simpleCondition-oid NAME 'simpleCondition'
  DESC 'Variable-Match-Value.'
  SUP 'condition'
  MUST ( ) MAY ( valueDN $ variableDN ) )
 
objectclasses: ( value-oid NAME 'value'
  DESC 'Generic Policy Value.'
  SUP 'top'
  MUST ( ) MAY ( ) )

objectclasses: ( variable-oid NAME 'variable'
  DESC 'Generic Policy Variable.'
  SUP 'top'
  MUST ( ) MAY ( ) )

[...]
 
 
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Subject: [Policy] SimplePolicyCondition



The simplePolicyCondition contains an aggregation of PolicyVariable and
PolicyValue.
I am trying to put this in LDAP schema and unable create an object of
SimplePolicyObject.
 
 
objectclass ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.61 NAME 'PolicyVariableAux'
 SUP PolicyVariable AUXILIARY
 )
 
objectclass ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.62 NAME 'PolicyValueAux'
 SUP PolicyValue AUXILIARY
 )
 
 
objectclass ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.510 NAME 'SimplePolicyCondition'
 DESC 'Aux classes that can attach to
 dlm1SupportAccessInstance.'
 AUX ( PolicyVariableAux $ PolicyValueAux ) 
 )

 
Can anyone suggest the proper class hierarchy ? 
 
 
 
Thanx
Regards
 
Girish Pujari

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=325052914-04122002>There 
are&nbsp;many possible implementations. One of them might 
be:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=325052914-04122002><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>[...]</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=325052914-04122002><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>attributetypes: (&nbsp;<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>v</SPAN>alueDN-oid NAME '<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>v</SPAN>alueDN'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;SYNTAX 
'1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.12'&nbsp; SINGLE-VALUE 
)</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>attributetypes: (&nbsp;<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>v</SPAN>ariableDN-oid NAME '<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>v</SPAN>ariableDN'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;SYNTAX 
'1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.12'&nbsp; SINGLE-VALUE 
)</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>objectclasses: (&nbsp;<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>s</SPAN>impleCondition-oid NAME '<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>s</SPAN>impleCondition'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>&nbsp;<SPAN class=325052914-04122002> 
</SPAN>DESC 'Variable-Match-Value.'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;SUP '<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>c</SPAN>onditio<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>n</SPAN>'</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><FONT><FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>&nbsp;<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002> </SPAN>MUST&nbsp;( ) MAY (&nbsp;<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>v</SPAN>alueDN $&nbsp;<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>v</SPAN>ariableDN ) )</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>objectclasses: (&nbsp;<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>v</SPAN>alue-oid NAME '<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>v</SPAN>alue'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>&nbsp;<SPAN class=325052914-04122002> 
</SPAN>DESC 'Generic Policy Value.'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;SUP 
'top'</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><FONT><FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;<SPAN class=325052914-04122002> </SPAN>MUST (&nbsp;) MAY (&nbsp;) 
)<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><FONT><FONT><FONT><FONT><FONT size=2><SPAN class=325052914-04122002>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>objectclasses: (&nbsp;<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>v</SPAN>a<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>riable</SPAN>-oid NAME '<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>variable</SPAN>'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>&nbsp;<SPAN class=325052914-04122002> 
</SPAN>DESC 'Generic Policy Va<SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>riable</SPAN>.'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;SUP 
'top'</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff>&nbsp;<SPAN class=325052914-04122002> 
</SPAN>MUST (&nbsp;) MAY (&nbsp;) )</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><BR><SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>[...]</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT><FONT><FONT><FONT 
face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><FONT><FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
class=325052914-04122002>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT 
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Girish Pujari 
[mailto:pujarig@mahindrabt.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 04, 2002 
5:55 AM<BR><B>To:</B> policy@ietf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Policy] 
SimplePolicyCondition<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The simplePolicyCondition contains an aggregation 
  of PolicyVariable and PolicyValue.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am&nbsp;trying to put this in LDAP&nbsp;schema 
  and unable create an object of SimplePolicyObject.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>objectclass ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.61 NAME 
  'PolicyVariableAux'<BR>&nbsp;SUP PolicyVariable 
  AUXILIARY<BR>&nbsp;)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>objectclass ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.62 NAME 
  'PolicyValueAux'<BR>&nbsp;SUP PolicyValue AUXILIARY<BR>&nbsp;)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>objectclass ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.412.100.2.1.3.1.510 
  NAME 'SimplePolicyCondition'<BR>&nbsp;DESC 'Aux classes that can attach 
  to<BR>&nbsp;dlm1SupportAccessInstance.'<BR>&nbsp;AUX ( PolicyVariableAux $ 
  PolicyValueAux ) <BR>&nbsp;)<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can anyone suggest the&nbsp;proper class 
  hierarchy ?</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Pana Mircea your suggestion for LDAP implementation was greate help and =
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I have few querries in the PCIMe.

The representation of schema in different Policy information models =
(CIM,LDAP,PIB)
does it follow the same methodology or heirachy of classes ?.Do we need =
to maintain the same class hierachy for common standards ?

We have SimplePolicyCondition which contains the PolicyVariable , =
PolicyValue and Matching a operator.

These Policy variable/Value can take the form of any variable ( =
DSCP,IPADDRESS,BW,QueueAlgorithm etc)
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In case of LDAP does any standard strictly say that the heirachy is =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pana Mircea your suggestion for LDAP =
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Sorry, forgot to send it to the list.
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Joel, Ed,

Angelica and myself have already started to work on this some time ago, we 
basically stop because we felt that the model needs to go through first. So 
we are able to submit a first draft very soon (it is basically ready, needs 
another pass). But we appriciate any help we can get from LDAP specalists, 
we only have some implementation expierence (have a LDAP implementation for 
PCLS).

Marcus

--On Dienstag, 10. Dezember 2002 23:34 -0500 "Joel M. Halpern" 
<joel@stevecrocker.com> wrote:

> At the current time, we have several documents under consideration before
> the IESG.  We have one document on our charter that we have not begun
> (LDAP Mapping for the QoS Policy Information Model, aka QPLS for QPIM).
> We could / should also do an LDAP mapping for the policy core extensions.
>
> Before asking for working group concurrence on undertaking one or both of
> these LDAP mapping documents, there is a critical step.  We need to
> determine if we have enough folks to actually do these documents.  Based
> on experience, we need several folks to form a writing team.  Preferably,
> at least one of these folks should have some previous experience building
> LDAP schemas.
>
> So, the point of this email is to find folks who are willing to take an
> active part in producing such documents (if the working group decides it
> wants to produce them, and the ADs and IESG concur that we should).  If
> you would be willing to work on a writing team to produce either of these
> documents, please send email, preferably to the working group, but
> alternatively to me and Ed.
>
> Yours,
> Joel M. Halpern
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We just now submitted the PCIMe LDAP mapping as individual submission.
There needs to be more work, buit that is what we have before christmas.


You can also find under
http://www.brubers.org/marcus/papers/draft-reyes-policy-core-ext-schema-00.
txt

Marcus
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Just wondering if this association means that a condition can contain
conditions?  It seems that all of the *AuxClass objects are used to infer
that an object can contain child objects of type *. This seems especially
evident via the PcimRuleAuxClass and PcimGroupAuxClass.  

It also appears that the pcimRuleConditionAssociation is an abstract
implementation of a core PcimCondition (on par with how a PcimRule object
represents a rule). After reading through the draft, it seems that the
naming convention for classes as they relate to conditions and actions are
not 100% in-sync with rules and groups. This seems somewhat
misleading/confusing to users of this standard, and I was wondering if there
was any explanation/reasoning for the change in naming convention between
these sets of objects?

thx,
d.
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I was hoping that someone would be interested enough to look at the attached
java-based source files to give me an idea of whether my interpretation of
what the PCIM model is supposed to be is correct. I have found that the
model proposed in the draft is fairly understandable, but there are some
minor inconsistencies with how conditions and actions are
handled/implemented.

Anyway, please feel free to use these files in any form if it would help
bring this proposal into a finalized standard.

d.


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THe latest DMTF CIM version 2.7 has the schema for diffserv under QoS

http://www.dmtf.org/standards/documents/CIM/CIM_Schema27/mofs/271/CIM_Net=
work27.zip

Does PCIMe needs to cover that ?
Are the diffserv parameters like Classifier,Meter,Dropper ,Schedulers =
and Markers have been defined in PCIMe?

The Traffic descriptors are already covered for IP Filter (and 802.11 =
priority) in PCIMe.

How PCIMe will refer to DMTF CIM QoS standards ?

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Girish,
 
You may want to take a look at the other procucts of the Policy WG.
I think that the following documents have answers to your questions:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-policy-qos-device-info-model-
08.txt
<http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-policy-qos-device-info-model
-08.txt> 
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-policy-qos-info-model-04.txt
<http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-policy-qos-info-model-04.txt
> 
 
Regards,
Mircea.

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THe latest DMTF CIM version 2.7 has the schema for diffserv under QoS
 
http://www.dmtf.org/standards/documents/CIM/CIM_Schema27/mofs/271/CIM_Networ
k27.zip
<http://www.dmtf.org/standards/documents/CIM/CIM_Schema27/mofs/271/CIM_Netwo
rk27.zip> 
 
Does PCIMe needs to cover that ?
Are the diffserv parameters like Classifier,Meter,Dropper ,Schedulers and
Markers have been defined in PCIMe?
 
The Traffic descriptors are already covered for IP Filter (and 802.11
priority) in PCIMe.
 
How PCIMe will refer to DMTF CIM QoS standards ?
 
 
Thanx
Regards
 
Girish Pujari

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ema27/mofs/271/CIM_Network27.zip</A></FONT></DIV>
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Girish,

The document organization is a little different between the IETF and DMTF.
While the classes for filtering on fields in the packet headers are indeed
in PCIMe, the classes for the datapath elements themselves are in a
different document: QDDIM -
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-policy-qos-device-info-model-08.txt

I believe that this document is going to be taken forward to the IESG some
time soon - but Bert will have to tell us exactly what its status is.

Regards,
Bob

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THe latest DMTF CIM version 2.7 has the schema for diffserv under QoS

http://www.dmtf.org/standards/documents/CIM/CIM_Schema27/mofs/271/CIM_Network27.zip

Does PCIMe needs to cover that ?
Are the diffserv parameters like Classifier,Meter,Dropper ,Schedulers and
Markers have been defined in PCIMe?

The Traffic descriptors are already covered for IP Filter (and 802.11
priority) in PCIMe.

How PCIMe will refer to DMTF CIM QoS standards ?


Thanx
Regards

Girish Pujari

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Bob writes
> 
> Girish,
> 
> The document organization is a little different between the IETF and DMTF.
> While the classes for filtering on fields in the packet headers are indeed
> in PCIMe, the classes for the datapath elements themselves are in a
> different document: QDDIM -
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-policy-qos-devi
> ce-info-model-08.txt
> 
> I believe that this document is going to be taken forward to the IESG some
> time soon - but Bert will have to tell us exactly what its status is.
> 
Yes, before the end of this calender year!
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This gives me a complete diffserv classes.
I feel that these documents are to be integrated with PCIM and PCIMe =
soon.

Thanx
Regards

Girish Pujari
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  From: Pana, Mircea=20
  To: 'Girish Pujari' ; policy@ietf.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:59 PM
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  Girish,

  You may want to take a look at the other procucts of the Policy WG.
  I think that the following documents have answers to your questions:
  =
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-policy-qos-device-info-mod=
el-08.txt
  =
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-policy-qos-info-model-04.t=
xt

  Regards,
  Mircea.
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    Subject: [Policy] DMTF CIM 2.7 Network->Qos->Diffserv standards

    THe latest DMTF CIM version 2.7 has the schema for diffserv under QoS

    =
http://www.dmtf.org/standards/documents/CIM/CIM_Schema27/mofs/271/CIM_Net=
work27.zip

    Does PCIMe needs to cover that ?
    Are the diffserv parameters like Classifier,Meter,Dropper =
,Schedulers and Markers have been defined in PCIMe?

    The Traffic descriptors are already covered for IP Filter (and =
802.11 priority) in PCIMe.

    How PCIMe will refer to DMTF CIM QoS standards ?

    Thanx
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Now that PCIMe is about to be published as an RFC (really, it is! :-), it's
time to remove the appendix where we tracked the open, and then
subsequently closed, issues.  Rather than losing this information entirely,
Bert has suggested that I include it in a note to the mailing list, so that
it will be archived in a place that someone looking for it might logically
try.  So here it is:

 16. Appendix A: Closed Issues



   EDITOR'S NOTE: The following list captures the major technical issues
   that were resolved during the course of progressing PCIMe from initial
   draft to Proposed Standard.  This appendix will be removed for
submission
   to the RFC Editor (unless there is a consensus to preserve it in the
   RFC), but it should be archived somewhere.

     1.  Unrestricted use of DNF/CNF for CompoundPolicyConditions.
         Alternative: for the conditions aggregated by a
         CompoundPolicyCondition, allow only ANDing, with negation of
         individual conditions.  Note that this is sufficient to build
         multi-field packet filters from single-field
         SimplePolicyConditions.

         RESOLUTION: The same DNF/CNF capabilities present for aggregating
         PolicyConditions into a PolicyRule have been retained for
         aggregating PolicyConditions into a CompoundPolicyCondition.

     2.  For a PolicyVariable in a SimplePolicyCondition, restrict the set
         of possible values both via associated PolicyValue objects (tied
         in with the ExpectedPolicyValuesForVariable association) and via
         the ValueTypes property in the PolicyVariable class.  Alternative:
         restrict values only via associated PolicyValue objects.

         RESOLUTION: PCIMe continues to allow both mechanisms for
         restricting the values of a PolicyVariable.

     3.  Transactional semantics, including rollback, for the
         ExecutionStrategy property in PolicyRule and in
         CompoundPolicyAction.  Alternative: have only 'Do until success'
         and 'Do all'.

         RESOLUTION: No transactional semantics for action execution.  The
         value 'Mandatory Do All(1)' has been removed from the two
         ExecutionStrategy properties.

     4.  Stating that CompoundFilterConditions are the preferred way to do
         packet filtering in a PolicyCondition.  Alternative:  make
         CompoundFilterConditions and FilterEntries available to submodels,
         with no stated (or implied) preference.

         RESOLUTION: Recommendations for use of CompoundFilterConditions
         and FilterEntries are retained, but they have been recast
         slightly.  CompoundFilterConditions are now positioned as the
         recommended approach for domain-level models.  FilterEntries are
         the recommended approach for device-level models.

     5.  Prohibiting equal values for Priority within a PolicySet.
         Alternative: allow equal values, with resulting indeterminacy in
         PEP behavior.

         RESOLUTION: PCIMe will continue to prohibit equal Priority values.

     6.  Modeling a SimplePolicyAction with just a related PolicyVariable
         and PolicyValue -- the "set" or "apply" operation is implicit.
         Alternative: include an Operation property in SimplePolicyAction,
         similar to the Operation property in SimplePolicyCondition.

         RESOLUTION: This issue has been resolved by a change in the
         opposite direction.  The operations are now implicit for BOTH
         SimplePolicyCondition and SimplePolicyAction.  See Sections 5.8.3
         and 5.8.4, respectively, for discussions of
         SimplePolicyCondition's implicit MATCH operator and
         SimplePolicyAction's implicit SET operator.

     7.  Representation of PolicyValues: should values like IPv4 addresses
         be represented only as strings (as in LDAP), or natively (e.g., an
         IPv4 address would be a four-octet field) with mappings to other
         representations such as strings?

         RESOLUTION: Mappings have been eliminated.  Each value type has a
         single representation specified for it.

     8.  The nesting of rules and groups within rules introduces
         significant change and complexity in the model.  This nesting
         introduces program state (procedural language) into the model
         (heretofore a declarative model) as well as implicit hierarchical
         contexts on which the rules operate.  These require a much more
         sophisticated rule-evaluation engine than in the past.

         Alternative: Maintain the declarative model, by prohibiting
         program state in rule evaluation (i.e., no rules within rules).

         RESOLUTION: Nesting of rules and groups within rules has been
         retained, but with a significant new limitation: actions
         associated with a rule do not have side effects that would impact
         condition evaluation for subsequent rules.  "Subsequent rules"
         here includes both rules nested within the rule whose actions are
         under discussion, and rules at the same nesting level as this rule
         that are evaluated after it.  Note that it has been a feature of
         PCIM (RFC 3060) all along that condition evaluation has no side
         effects that would influence condition evaluation for subsequent
         rules.

         There is also one modeling detail associated with nesting that has
         been changed.  Rather than having separate aggregations
         (PolicyGroupInPolicyGroup, etc.) for each of the four nesting
         varieties, the single aggregation PolicySetComponent is now used
         as a concrete aggregation class.

      9. Need to specify a join algorithm for disjoint rule sets.

         RESOLUTION: PCIMe now states that for different functional domains
         (e.g., QoS and IKE), there is no join algorithm.  Each domain, in
         effect, has its own rule engine, which operates independently of
         the other domains' engine(s).  Within a functional domain,
         disjoint PolicySets are joined by the Priority property in the
         PolicySetInSystem association.  In this case the decision strategy
         is specified to be FirstMatching.

      10.  Clarify PolicyImplicitVariables.

         RESOLUTION: Each subclass of PolicyImplicitVariable will identify
         the exact source of the variable data.  For example, there will be
         a subclass of PolicyImplicitVariable that specifically identifies
         the IPv4 source address in the outermost packet header.  IPv4 and
         IPv6 addresses will require separate subclasses of
         PolicyImplicitVariable.  We understand the downside of this
         approach: a potential explosion in the number of subclasses of
         PolicyImplicitVariable.

      11.  Clarify PolicyExplicitVariables.

         NON-RESOLUTION (in PCIMe-01): This issue is still not resolved at
         all.  The authors continue to believe that we need the capability
         of indicating that a condition should compare against (or an
         action should set) a particular property in a particular object
         instance.  But we do not believe that the current mechanism of
         specifying a target object class and property name is sufficient.
         For the next version of PCIMe, we need to either find a way to
         make this work in general; or find a way to make it work in some
         cases, and then describe clearly what these cases are; or remove
         PolicyExplicitVariables from PCIMe entirely.

         RESOLUTION (in PCIMe-02): From the list of choices above, we took
         the path of making explicit variables work in a specific case, and
         indicating clearly that they work only in this case.  See Section
         5.8.6


Regards,
Bob

Bob Moore
Advanced Design and Technology
Application Integration Middleware Division
IBM Software Group
+1-919-254-4436
remoore@us.ibm.com

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