From ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 9 17:44:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ppsp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985573A6A07; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:44:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0B93A6A5F for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:44:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_EMAIL=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xc2zHaOL6sNm for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com (usaga01-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC01B3A6359 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K8H00HFBZFANM@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com ([172.17.1.36]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K8H00FTUZF9UV@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.24.1.12] (Forwarded-For: [10.164.12.12]) by szxmc04-in.huawei.com (mshttpd); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:44:51 +0800 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:44:51 +0800 From: zongning 63316 To: ppsp@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006) Content-language: zh-CN Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: zh-CN Priority: normal Subject: [ppsp] hello message X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Hi, this is Ning Zong from Huawei, China. 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If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or em ail immediately and delete it! ***************************************************************************************** _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp From ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 23 20:46:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ppsp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F7B3A67A2; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BE3A6BE6 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:47:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.473 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.473 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.074, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yzoy9-JQR23u for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (szxga03-in.huawei.com [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68253A6A83 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K9600J767T4GF@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:48:40 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K96009AO7T4RO@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:48:40 +0800 (CST) Received: from s64081 ([10.164.12.37]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9600EPO7T3HM@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:48:40 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:48:39 +0800 From: Song Haibin In-reply-to: To: zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com, fluffy@cisco.com, lars.eggert@nokia.com, ldusseault@commerce.net, duanxiaodong@chinamobile.com, pengjin@chinamobile.com, wuyichuan@chinamobile.com, liaohongluan@chinamobile.com, laird@pando.com, marcin.matuszewski@nokia.com, sherry.shen@nsn.com, kyin@cisco.com, zongning@huawei.com, jiang.x.f@huawei.com, paulhuang@synacast.com, jerryfu@pplive.com, sdawkins@huawei.com, huizhang@nec-labs.com, marcin_matuszewski@yahoo.com, ppsp@ietf.org Message-id: <009901c934b9$db0c99c0$250ca40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ackzkxo6OHgDhW9rRkCTkXSADEh9fwBJmJ+g X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:46:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [ppsp] [PPSP]problem statement of PPSP X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, There are many subjects to be discussed through the mailing list. So I will list some interesting topics that we can follow. Welcome to discuss. Best Regards, Song Haibin Email: melodysong@huawei.com Skype: alexsonghw >-----Original Message----- >From: zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com [mailto:zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:22 PM >To: fluffy@cisco.com; lars.eggert@nokia.com; ldusseault@commerce.net; >duanxiaodong@chinamobile.com; pengjin@chinamobile.com; >wuyichuan@chinamobile.com; liaohongluan@chinamobile.com; laird@pando.com; >marcin.matuszewski@nokia.com; sherry.shen@nsn.com; kyin@cisco.com; >zongning@huawei.com; melodysong@huawei.com; jiang.x.f@huawei.com; >paulhuang@synacast.com; jerryfu@pplive.com; sdawkins@huawei.com; >huizhang@nec-labs.com; marcin_matuszewski@yahoo.com; ppsp@ietf.org >Subject: [PPSP]problem statement of PPSP > >Hi,all. > This is Yunfei from China Mobile.First of all thanks for all of your sincere >help and contributions in building up PPSP mailing list,esp. for Lars,Cullen >and Lisa's guidance. > Hope this mailing list can be a good venue to discuss peer to peer streaming >issues and finally contribute fruitful drafts to IETF. > Unfortunately there is a small problem in the interaction between IETF's mail >server and China Mobile's mail server.So I cannot post in PPSP by my working >email temporarily.This is why this email delays so much time.Sorry for the >inconvenience to all of you.I have contacted with IETF network administrator >for this problem but it may need some time. > Attached is an initial version of problem statement of PPSP.Suggestions and >comments are highly desired. Thanks in advance. > > Best regards! > Sincerely yours, > Yunfei Zhang > 2008-10-15 >***************************************************** > >Yunfei Zhang, Ph.D. > >R&D, CHINA MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION > >Tel: +86 10 158016966688 ext. 3247 > >Fax: +86 10 63601087 > >MOBILE: 1360-1032-119 > >***************************************************** > > >------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp From ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 23 20:46:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ppsp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBF33A6855; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53DC3A6819 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:50:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.101, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uuvcaSsQu3+0 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07BD3A6992 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K9600AP37YHYZ@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:51:53 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K9600J8M7YH3X@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:51:53 +0800 (CST) Received: from s64081 ([10.164.12.37]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9600E5L7YGHM@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:51:53 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:51:52 +0800 From: Song Haibin In-reply-to: To: zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com, fluffy@cisco.com, lars.eggert@nokia.com, ldusseault@commerce.net, duanxiaodong@chinamobile.com, pengjin@chinamobile.com, wuyichuan@chinamobile.com, liaohongluan@chinamobile.com, laird@pando.com, marcin.matuszewski@nokia.com, sherry.shen@nsn.com, kyin@cisco.com, zongning@huawei.com, jiang.x.f@huawei.com, paulhuang@synacast.com, jerryfu@pplive.com, sdawkins@huawei.com, huizhang@nec-labs.com, marcin_matuszewski@yahoo.com, ppsp@ietf.org Message-id: <00a001c934ba$4dd0c9e0$250ca40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ackzkxo6OHgDhW9rRkCTkXSADEh9fwBJsWAw X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:46:15 -0700 Subject: [ppsp] Problems with p2p streaming applications X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org 1. Private protocol 2. for the communication between CDN and p2p streaming application, CDN needs to implement different protocols for different p2p streaming applications now? .... More.... Best Regards, Song Haibin Email: melodysong@huawei.com Skype: alexsonghw >-----Original Message----- >From: zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com [mailto:zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:22 PM >To: fluffy@cisco.com; lars.eggert@nokia.com; ldusseault@commerce.net; >duanxiaodong@chinamobile.com; pengjin@chinamobile.com; >wuyichuan@chinamobile.com; liaohongluan@chinamobile.com; laird@pando.com; >marcin.matuszewski@nokia.com; sherry.shen@nsn.com; kyin@cisco.com; >zongning@huawei.com; melodysong@huawei.com; jiang.x.f@huawei.com; >paulhuang@synacast.com; jerryfu@pplive.com; sdawkins@huawei.com; >huizhang@nec-labs.com; marcin_matuszewski@yahoo.com; ppsp@ietf.org >Subject: [PPSP]problem statement of PPSP > >Hi,all. > This is Yunfei from China Mobile.First of all thanks for all of your sincere >help and contributions in building up PPSP mailing list,esp. for Lars,Cullen >and Lisa's guidance. > Hope this mailing list can be a good venue to discuss peer to peer streaming >issues and finally contribute fruitful drafts to IETF. > Unfortunately there is a small problem in the interaction between IETF's mail >server and China Mobile's mail server.So I cannot post in PPSP by my working >email temporarily.This is why this email delays so much time.Sorry for the >inconvenience to all of you.I have contacted with IETF network administrator >for this problem but it may need some time. > Attached is an initial version of problem statement of PPSP.Suggestions and >comments are highly desired. Thanks in advance. > > Best regards! > Sincerely yours, > Yunfei Zhang > 2008-10-15 >***************************************************** > >Yunfei Zhang, Ph.D. > >R&D, CHINA MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION > >Tel: +86 10 158016966688 ext. 3247 > >Fax: +86 10 63601087 > >MOBILE: 1360-1032-119 > >***************************************************** > > >------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp From ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 23 20:46:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ppsp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CEB3A6897; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1B03A6992 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:53:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.826, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qk7i3962e1pb for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE023A6819 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K9600AVD82FYZ@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:54:16 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K9600GF982FE6@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:54:15 +0800 (CST) Received: from s64081 ([10.164.12.37]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9600EW282EHM@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:54:15 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:54:14 +0800 From: Song Haibin In-reply-to: To: zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com, fluffy@cisco.com, lars.eggert@nokia.com, ldusseault@commerce.net, duanxiaodong@chinamobile.com, pengjin@chinamobile.com, wuyichuan@chinamobile.com, liaohongluan@chinamobile.com, laird@pando.com, marcin.matuszewski@nokia.com, sherry.shen@nsn.com, kyin@cisco.com, zongning@huawei.com, jiang.x.f@huawei.com, paulhuang@synacast.com, jerryfu@pplive.com, sdawkins@huawei.com, huizhang@nec-labs.com, marcin_matuszewski@yahoo.com, ppsp@ietf.org, peakli@huawei.com Message-id: <00a101c934ba$a2c969c0$250ca40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ackzkxo6OHgDhW9rRkCTkXSADEh9fwBJ1nSw X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:46:15 -0700 Subject: [ppsp] PPSP signaling protocol X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org What does PPSP signaling protocol do other then the conventional RTSP, SIP, etc? Best Regards, Song Haibin Email: melodysong@huawei.com Skype: alexsonghw >-----Original Message----- >From: zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com [mailto:zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:22 PM >To: fluffy@cisco.com; lars.eggert@nokia.com; ldusseault@commerce.net; >duanxiaodong@chinamobile.com; pengjin@chinamobile.com; >wuyichuan@chinamobile.com; liaohongluan@chinamobile.com; laird@pando.com; >marcin.matuszewski@nokia.com; sherry.shen@nsn.com; kyin@cisco.com; >zongning@huawei.com; melodysong@huawei.com; jiang.x.f@huawei.com; >paulhuang@synacast.com; jerryfu@pplive.com; sdawkins@huawei.com; >huizhang@nec-labs.com; marcin_matuszewski@yahoo.com; ppsp@ietf.org >Subject: [PPSP]problem statement of PPSP > >Hi,all. > This is Yunfei from China Mobile.First of all thanks for all of your sincere >help and contributions in building up PPSP mailing list,esp. for Lars,Cullen >and Lisa's guidance. > Hope this mailing list can be a good venue to discuss peer to peer streaming >issues and finally contribute fruitful drafts to IETF. > Unfortunately there is a small problem in the interaction between IETF's mail >server and China Mobile's mail server.So I cannot post in PPSP by my working >email temporarily.This is why this email delays so much time.Sorry for the >inconvenience to all of you.I have contacted with IETF network administrator >for this problem but it may need some time. > Attached is an initial version of problem statement of PPSP.Suggestions and >comments are highly desired. Thanks in advance. > > Best regards! > Sincerely yours, > Yunfei Zhang > 2008-10-15 >***************************************************** > >Yunfei Zhang, Ph.D. > >R&D, CHINA MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION > >Tel: +86 10 158016966688 ext. 3247 > >Fax: +86 10 63601087 > >MOBILE: 1360-1032-119 > >***************************************************** > > >------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp From ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 23 20:46:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ppsp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A163A68A7; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7C928C0F0 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:56:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.661, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mUjhHlbikPAm for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BD83A6806 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K9600CY5881EI@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:57:38 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K96002DA881RN@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:57:37 +0800 (CST) Received: from s64081 ([10.164.12.37]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9600IDR8806X@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:57:37 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:57:36 +0800 From: Song Haibin In-reply-to: To: zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com, fluffy@cisco.com, lars.eggert@nokia.com, ldusseault@commerce.net, duanxiaodong@chinamobile.com, pengjin@chinamobile.com, wuyichuan@chinamobile.com, liaohongluan@chinamobile.com, laird@pando.com, marcin.matuszewski@nokia.com, sherry.shen@nsn.com, kyin@cisco.com, zongning@huawei.com, jiang.x.f@huawei.com, paulhuang@synacast.com, jerryfu@pplive.com, sdawkins@huawei.com, huizhang@nec-labs.com, marcin_matuszewski@yahoo.com, ppsp@ietf.org, peakli@huawei.com Message-id: <00a201c934bb$1b438bb0$250ca40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ackzkxo6OHgDhW9rRkCTkXSADEh9fwBJ4phA X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:46:15 -0700 Subject: [ppsp] PPSP transfer protocol X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org 1. The requirement of the protocol spoken between CDN and p2p streaming applications? Any existing protocol can do it? 2. What are the distinct features of the PPSP transfer protocol spoken between peers, compared with RTP? Best Regards, Song Haibin Email: melodysong@huawei.com Skype: alexsonghw >-----Original Message----- >From: zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com [mailto:zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:22 PM >To: fluffy@cisco.com; lars.eggert@nokia.com; ldusseault@commerce.net; >duanxiaodong@chinamobile.com; pengjin@chinamobile.com; >wuyichuan@chinamobile.com; liaohongluan@chinamobile.com; laird@pando.com; >marcin.matuszewski@nokia.com; sherry.shen@nsn.com; kyin@cisco.com; >zongning@huawei.com; melodysong@huawei.com; jiang.x.f@huawei.com; >paulhuang@synacast.com; jerryfu@pplive.com; sdawkins@huawei.com; >huizhang@nec-labs.com; marcin_matuszewski@yahoo.com; ppsp@ietf.org >Subject: [PPSP]problem statement of PPSP > >Hi,all. > This is Yunfei from China Mobile.First of all thanks for all of your sincere >help and contributions in building up PPSP mailing list,esp. for Lars,Cullen >and Lisa's guidance. > Hope this mailing list can be a good venue to discuss peer to peer streaming >issues and finally contribute fruitful drafts to IETF. > Unfortunately there is a small problem in the interaction between IETF's mail >server and China Mobile's mail server.So I cannot post in PPSP by my working >email temporarily.This is why this email delays so much time.Sorry for the >inconvenience to all of you.I have contacted with IETF network administrator >for this problem but it may need some time. > Attached is an initial version of problem statement of PPSP.Suggestions and >comments are highly desired. Thanks in advance. > > Best regards! > Sincerely yours, > Yunfei Zhang > 2008-10-15 >***************************************************** > >Yunfei Zhang, Ph.D. > >R&D, CHINA MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION > >Tel: +86 10 158016966688 ext. 3247 > >Fax: +86 10 63601087 > >MOBILE: 1360-1032-119 > >***************************************************** > > >------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp From ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 23 20:46:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ppsp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805403A68C2; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C503A6A83 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.154 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.154 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.551, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_46=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ez9F3SHykyzR for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC8A3A6819 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K9600AUV8GLYZ@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:02:45 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.12]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K9600GAB8GLE6@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:02:45 +0800 (CST) Received: from s64081 ([10.164.12.37]) by szxml05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9600EWD8GKVD@szxml05-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:02:45 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:02:44 +0800 From: Song Haibin In-reply-to: To: zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com, fluffy@cisco.com, lars.eggert@nokia.com, ldusseault@commerce.net, duanxiaodong@chinamobile.com, pengjin@chinamobile.com, wuyichuan@chinamobile.com, liaohongluan@chinamobile.com, laird@pando.com, marcin.matuszewski@nokia.com, sherry.shen@nsn.com, kyin@cisco.com, zongning@huawei.com, jiang.x.f@huawei.com, paulhuang@synacast.com, jerryfu@pplive.com, sdawkins@huawei.com, huizhang@nec-labs.com, marcin_matuszewski@yahoo.com, ppsp@ietf.org Message-id: <00a301c934bb$d2937e60$250ca40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ackzkxo6OHgDhW9rRkCTkXSADEh9fwBKCJWg X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:46:15 -0700 Subject: [ppsp] difference between PPSP and P2PSIP? X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Based on p2psip or not? Best Regards, Song Haibin Email: melodysong@huawei.com Skype: alexsonghw >-----Original Message----- >From: zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com [mailto:zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:22 PM >To: fluffy@cisco.com; lars.eggert@nokia.com; ldusseault@commerce.net; >duanxiaodong@chinamobile.com; pengjin@chinamobile.com; >wuyichuan@chinamobile.com; liaohongluan@chinamobile.com; laird@pando.com; >marcin.matuszewski@nokia.com; sherry.shen@nsn.com; kyin@cisco.com; >zongning@huawei.com; melodysong@huawei.com; jiang.x.f@huawei.com; >paulhuang@synacast.com; jerryfu@pplive.com; sdawkins@huawei.com; >huizhang@nec-labs.com; marcin_matuszewski@yahoo.com; ppsp@ietf.org >Subject: [PPSP]problem statement of PPSP > >Hi,all. > This is Yunfei from China Mobile.First of all thanks for all of your sincere >help and contributions in building up PPSP mailing list,esp. for Lars,Cullen >and Lisa's guidance. > Hope this mailing list can be a good venue to discuss peer to peer streaming >issues and finally contribute fruitful drafts to IETF. > Unfortunately there is a small problem in the interaction between IETF's mail >server and China Mobile's mail server.So I cannot post in PPSP by my working >email temporarily.This is why this email delays so much time.Sorry for the >inconvenience to all of you.I have contacted with IETF network administrator >for this problem but it may need some time. > Attached is an initial version of problem statement of PPSP.Suggestions and >comments are highly desired. Thanks in advance. > > Best regards! > Sincerely yours, > Yunfei Zhang > 2008-10-15 >***************************************************** > >Yunfei Zhang, Ph.D. > >R&D, CHINA MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION > >Tel: +86 10 158016966688 ext. 3247 > >Fax: +86 10 63601087 > >MOBILE: 1360-1032-119 > >***************************************************** > > >------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp From ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 24 17:22:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ppsp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40703A6809; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:22:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0233A6809 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:22:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.608 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.608 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.847, BAYES_50=0.001, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 77SACzZI7diQ for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga04-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C513A67FC for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K9900MIWQFRPG@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:23:51 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0K9900MF6QFRP4@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:23:51 +0800 (CST) Received: from s64081 ([10.164.12.37]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9900CC8QFQEY@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:23:51 +0800 (CST) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:23:51 +0800 From: Song Haibin In-reply-to: <200810241733304684897@chinamobile.com> To: =?gb2312?B?J9XF1Ma3ySc=?= , ppsp@ietf.org, peakli@huawei.com Message-id: <008101c93637$f4f7ee00$250ca40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ack1u7w8NqWYf/K5RSKb3D30A2VB4AAeojAw Subject: Re: [ppsp] Reply on Haibin's comments on problem statement of PPSP X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list 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-0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02AB3A691A for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.30.28.83] ([80.187.145.48]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m9QBw7OB072670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:58:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: <777ACBCF-554A-4385-827E-869904F8F58E@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: ppsp@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:58:07 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8494/Sun Oct 26 08:56:57 2008 on fit.nokia.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (mail.fit.nokia.com [212.213.221.39]); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:58:14 +0200 (EET) Subject: [ppsp] Minneapolis X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Hi, if you'd like a breakout room in Minneapolis for a bar BOF or small group meeting, let me know ASAP and give me a time and date. You should probably avoid slots where relevant TSV, RAI and APP groups meet. See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/UpcomingIetf Lars _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp From ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 27 08:19:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ppsp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2163A6915; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:19:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0A53A6915 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:19:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3zTtJAlwo4bA for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1F53A67A1 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from S73602b (w173.z064002096.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.2.96.173]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KuTry43Qs-0008BA; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:19:04 -0400 Message-ID: <4137D5469F9E490A846B74396273A745@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: References: <777ACBCF-554A-4385-827E-869904F8F58E@nokia.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:18:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+L/5yprolYGXrFI3aL4zYRi6xEeIK/7exXGQp NkPQCllmkIfzOspxMq1Bgq+gBRRiaW9OLDV4KJchwm0R7m5WBy 50ePUEenRb8KJrezSdVkHUckrTb7v+xsVnCBvy1r8w= Subject: [ppsp] Request on mailing list use X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org I have a request for the PPSP community of interest - please trim your TO and CC lists and post only to the mailing list when possible. I'm aware of one set of postings that was delayed because of too many individual recipients, and I've seen one conversation that I think I'm only seeing one side of. If PPSP moves forward, it will be important to have solid mailing list archives that contain what we actually talk about, because one of the things ADs look at is mailing list traffic when they judge whether there is sufficient interest to move forward. Thanks! Spencer _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp From ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 28 01:21:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ppsp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B529F3A6BF1; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:21:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D6C3A6BF1 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:21:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.484 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.484 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.916, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_41=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_54=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g12kH-N3od10 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1A73A688C for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:2060:40:2:219:e3ff:fe06:dc74] ([IPv6:2001:2060:40:2:219:e3ff:fe06:dc74]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m9S8Lanx013344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:21:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: <42F519D3-F920-457D-85E2-A095F0BD8B6F@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: ext Yunfei Zhang In-Reply-To: <200810280955003756701@chinamobile.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:21:36 +0200 References: <777ACBCF-554A-4385-827E-869904F8F58E@nokia.com> <4137D5469F9E490A846B74396273A745@china.huawei.com> <200810280955003756701@chinamobile.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8521/Tue Oct 28 08:23:52 2008 on fit.nokia.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (mail.fit.nokia.com [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:21:39 +0200 (EET) Cc: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ppsp] Request on mailing list use X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1512194470==" Sender: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org --===============1512194470== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-27--85722806; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-27--85722806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Resending so it makes it to the list. Yunfei, up the mailman setting =20= for allowed recipients, please.) Hi, Yunfei, if there are issues with mail delivery, check the moderation queue at = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/ppsp=20 first. If that doesn't help, email ietf-action@ietf.org. Include any bounces =20= or error messages you may have received. Please keep me in the loop. If the secretariat is unresponsive, let me =20= know. (I agree with Spencer that we do need to keep the discussion on the =20 list where it is archived. That means fixing the list so that everyone =20= can send and receive.) Lars On 2008-10-28, at 3:55, ext Yunfei Zhang wrote: > Hi,Spencer=EF=BC=8C > Thanks for your advice.In fact this is the very thing what troubles =20= > me currently.Maybe there are some network configuration error, at =20 > first,when I finish building PPSP mail list,I cannot post by my =20 > email and all my sending emails were rejected.After I consulted to =20 > IETF network administrator,now there is no rejection information any =20= > more but seems my email cannot be seen by the recipients yet.And I =20 > heard that similar things occur for other people. > So I have to email to all the recipients by their own address =20 > instead of PPSP@ietf.org. And I am requesting IETF network =20 > administrator to solve this problem ASAP.I wish it can be solved =20 > shortly. > =E3=80=80 > > > Best regards! > Sincerely yours, > Yunfei Zhang > 2008-10-28 > ***************************************************** > > Yunfei Zhang, Ph.D. > > R&D, CHINA MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION > > Tel: +86 10 158016966688 ext. 3247 > > Fax: +86 10 63601087 > > MOBILE: 1360-1032-119 > > ***************************************************** > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9ASpencer Dawkins > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=A5=E6=9C=9F=EF=BC=9A2008-10-27 23:18:27 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9Appsp@ietf.org > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9A > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A[ppsp] Request on mailing list use > > I have a request for the PPSP community of interest - please trim =20 > your TO > and CC lists and post only to the mailing list when possible. > > I'm aware of one set of postings that was delayed because of too many > individual recipients, and I've seen one conversation that I think =20 > I'm only > seeing one side of. > > If PPSP moves forward, it will be important to have solid mailing list > archives that contain what we actually talk about, because one of =20 > the things > ADs look at is mailing list traffic when they judge whether there is > sufficient interest to move forward. > > Thanks! > > Spencer > > > _______________________________________________ > ppsp mailing list > ppsp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp > > <=E5=BC=A0=E4=BA=91=E9=A3=9E.vcf> --Apple-Mail-27--85722806 Content-Disposition: attachment; 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp --===============1512194470==-- From ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 29 02:22:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ppsp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37AF3A6980; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:22:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77A53A6BC0 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:13:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.432 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.432 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.032, BAYES_40=-0.185, J_CHICKENPOX_41=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_54=0.6, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LSE3AEB8InNb for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379593A6AC0 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:2060:40:2:219:e3ff:fe06:dc74] ([IPv6:2001:2060:40:2:219:e3ff:fe06:dc74]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m9S8C0hj013302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:12:02 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert To: ext Yunfei Zhang In-Reply-To: <200810280955003756701@chinamobile.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:11:59 +0200 References: <777ACBCF-554A-4385-827E-869904F8F58E@nokia.com> <4137D5469F9E490A846B74396273A745@china.huawei.com> <200810280955003756701@chinamobile.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8521/Tue Oct 28 08:23:52 2008 on fit.nokia.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (mail.fit.nokia.com [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:12:10 +0200 (EET) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:22:39 -0700 Cc: jerryfu , sdawkins , "marcin.matuszewski" , paulhuang , "ppsp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Request on mailing list use X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1897904541==" Sender: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org --===============1897904541== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-25--86299359; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-25--86299359 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Yunfei, if there are issues with mail delivery, check the moderation queue at = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/admin/ppsp=20 first. If that doesn't help, email ietf-action@ietf.org. Include any bounces =20= or error messages you may have received. Please keep me in the loop. If the secretariat is unresponsive, let me =20= know. (I agree with Spencer that we do need to keep the discussion on the =20 list where it is archived. That means fixing the list so that everyone =20= can send and receive.) Lars On 2008-10-28, at 3:55, ext Yunfei Zhang wrote: > Hi,Spencer=A3=AC > Thanks for your advice.In fact this is the very thing what troubles =20= > me currently.Maybe there are some network configuration error, at =20 > first,when I finish building PPSP mail list,I cannot post by my =20 > email and all my sending emails were rejected.After I consulted to =20 > IETF network administrator,now there is no rejection information any =20= > more but seems my email cannot be seen by the recipients yet.And I =20 > heard that similar things occur for other people. > So I have to email to all the recipients by their own address =20 > instead of PPSP@ietf.org. And I am requesting IETF network =20 > administrator to solve this problem ASAP.I wish it can be solved =20 > shortly. > =A1=A1 > > > Best regards! > Sincerely yours, > Yunfei Zhang > 2008-10-28 > ***************************************************** > > Yunfei Zhang, Ph.D. > > R&D, CHINA MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION > > Tel: +86 10 158016966688 ext. 3247 > > Fax: +86 10 63601087 > > MOBILE: 1360-1032-119 > > ***************************************************** > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BASpencer Dawkins > =B7=A2=CB=CD=C8=D5=C6=DA=A3=BA2008-10-27 23:18:27 > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BAppsp@ietf.org > =B3=AD=CB=CD=A3=BA > =D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA[ppsp] Request on mailing list use > > I have a request for the PPSP community of interest - please trim =20 > your TO > and CC lists and post only to the mailing list when possible. > > I'm aware of one set of postings that was delayed because of too many > individual recipients, and I've seen one conversation that I think =20 > I'm only > seeing one side of. > > If PPSP moves forward, it will be important to have solid mailing list > archives that contain what we actually talk about, because one of =20 > the things > ADs look at is mailing list traffic when they judge whether there is > sufficient interest to move forward. > > Thanks! > > Spencer > > > _______________________________________________ > ppsp mailing list > ppsp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp > > <=D5=C5=D4=C6=B7=C9.vcf> --Apple-Mail-25--86299359 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIC/TCCAvkw ggJioAMCAQICEFcKn6uMJyFYm3ow9AwDVo0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA3MTEyMDA4NTMyMloXDTA4MTExOTA4NTMy MlowXDEPMA0GA1UEBBMGRWdnZXJ0MQ0wCwYDVQQqEwRMYXJzMRQwEgYDVQQDEwtMYXJzIEVnZ2Vy dDEkMCIGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYVbGFycy5lZ2dlcnRAbm9raWEuY29tMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEF AAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAxx0rd8E8VV2l2Y/zV2buSRcCWScJwDJc8moZY88N1Hla1CMhh83tIPQN pukkPE6GMIJjferzgTV8extFAd6jrk96U6HJLXF/xzxKX/U3ksT/rwyLCO8l9T8OwNtmjWjMwn0Y 1f4V5JnXLyZDz97BaN2rnJjccSIYuDJLXPzaTE3kxYe7j35iIgyaqhLYs3dERHOOJpiuWhHOj45C m/4hCWiSEtwabUtufw232z2r4tExOXuxH8OJtbbJxmf/tb+/m5pNRQbKl1KWbFlLqeojqgrG56jx uxNDfMaTNHfygPea8LGjzrE0Ck3lqUYXD2/dk45Y8lJAAhFQ3erCwMw1XwIDAQABozIwMDAgBgNV HREEGTAXgRVsYXJzLmVnZ2VydEBub2tpYS5jb20wDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUF AAOBgQBGcuNVdbuBMUyXaAiENyTmsKPOwd/PJOI540ONxvVyGtycdaMMlUL+tz/Qcznv/hnqN7u2 NqrvBYn+afSlZKQHgbSjFT4b8hD3rWnU6/EeS+HX8k5ogJqyy4et/TomMp4gIxC/jjhFw3XWhKpm 4Wr51tzDI3lUs2PlVNLFSiBhNzGCAxAwggMMAgEBMHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoT HFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBG cmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhBXCp+rjCchWJt6MPQMA1aNMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgggFvMBgGCSqG SIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTA4MTAyODA4MTIwMFowIwYJKoZI hvcNAQkEMRYEFJ5zMszSTPA4DRu87QkYf4cARaZjMIGFBgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIxCzAJBgNV BAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNU aGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQVwqfq4wnIVibejD0DANWjTCBhwYL KoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGlu ZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBD QQIQVwqfq4wnIVibejD0DANWjTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQCIeZQyw9TLB/0gl4TseO5AH6i8 mabfA2sTnWswADIsi1BZ3ox+7IClNxC0I32DiUKgAT6To9rcsOQlxRP7RyfK/ERR30rhxM5K6dQg fA/Gt7ANAgZ8coPwA+VMqIgdLUKlOJSHr9hvalAcQ85GEOPCQba4mXHP300m893rhUvNlmROulrZ Q+rCkO1P5iCIJZAJX+Yxn9MpHuWjWye9b4QFJxDq4fL5ze0CA1iB1yJTtnr7MVFUrxcpA0KNfOrm g4Az0Cdnvo5KtFLq+WM4sEdHLHm03hWdZ1n+C7zleH54cX9WZ3tStqMrwRO+fQU0xxx47BNhTeHi 99TgF7bKc/AUAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-25--86299359-- --===============1897904541== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp --===============1897904541==--