From zengw@huawei.com Thu Jul 1 14:04:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960CA3A6888 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 92zMHn6kE+-g for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com (usaga01-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E8E3A67B4 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L4W00FYED7IB0@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zengPC (mu-108034.vpn.missouri.edu [128.206.108.34]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0L4W00JUKD7E2A@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:04:15 -0500 From: "Wenjun (Kevin) Zeng" To: ppsp@ietf.org Message-id: <001e01cb1960$f9813360$ec839a20$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-language: en-us Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcsXPkCiEx8lr+cWQM+DWvLlSpAGgACIGYtQ Subject: [ppsp] new Internet Draft about Pro-incentive Parameters exchange X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: zengw@huawei.com List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:04:20 -0000 Dear all, I have submitted a new Internet draft entitled "P2P Streaming Protocol Pro-incentive Parameters". The abstract is appended below. We believe common protocol parameters exchanged between tracker and peer and between peers that can be used to support incentive mechanisms is important. It can be accessed at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zeng-ppsp-protocol-pro-incentive-para-00 Comments are very welcome. Thanks and best. -Kevin Wenjun (Kevin) Zeng -----Original Message----- From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 10:50 PM To: zengw@huawei.com Subject: New Version Notification for draft-zeng-ppsp-protocol-pro-incentive-para-00 A new version of I-D, draft-zeng-ppsp-protocol-pro-incentive-para-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Wenjun Zeng and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-zeng-ppsp-protocol-pro-incentive-para Revision: 00 Title: P2P Streaming Protocol Pro-incentive Parameters Creation_date: 2010-06-29 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 9 Abstract: This document analyzes the common parameters that are essential for deriving incentive mechanisms to promote peer cooperation and system robustness in a P2P system, and proposes to incorporate these pro- incentive parameters in information exchanges in the P2P streaming protocols to be specified, e.g., in the tracker protocol proposed in [draft-gu-ppsp-tracker-protocol], and in the future in the peer protocol to be specified. The IETF Secretariat. From zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com Sun Jul 4 19:02:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B7D3A67E3 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2010 19:02:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.776 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.776 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TX9oS8HlMH1i for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2010 19:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta.chinamobile.com (cmccmta.chinamobile.com [221.130.253.133]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D383A6407 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2010 19:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LENOVO-917FFE55 ([10.2.2.118]) by mail.chinamobile.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.5FP1) with SMTP id 2010070510013772-4226 ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:01:37 +0800 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:02:11 +0800 From: "zhangyunfei" To: "ppsp@ietf.org" Message-ID: <201007051002108756669@chinamobile.com> X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 2, 103, 20 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-07-05 10:01:37, Serialize by Router on cmccmta/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-07-05 10:02:20, Serialize complete at 2010-07-05 10:02:20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====003_Dragon827734171264_=====" Subject: [ppsp] agenda request for IETF 78 X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 02:02:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=====003_Dragon827734171264_===== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Hi all, The PPSP meeting will be held on Tuesday afternoon (from 1520 to 1700) at IETF 78. If you are interested in getting a slot on the agenda of this PPSP meeting, please send Cullen and me a request by Monday July 12. And please note other important dates for the slides: 1.The initial slides should be submitted to the chairs by Sunday before the IETF week; 2.The final version of slides should be submitted by end of Monday.Otherwise they will be ignored. Thanks and see all of you in Maastricht. Best regards, Yunfei zhangyunfei 2010-07-05 --=====003_Dragon827734171264_===== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312"

Hi all,

  

      The PPSP meeting will be held on Tuesday afternoon (from 1520 to 1700) at

IETF 78. If you are interested in getting a slot on the agenda of this PPSP meeting,

please send Cullen and me a request by Monday July 12.

       And please note other important dates for the slides:

1.The initial slides should be submitted to the chairs by Sunday before the IETF week;

2.The final version of slides should be submitted by end of Monday.Otherwise they will be ignored.

      Thanks and see all of you in Maastricht.

 

Best regards,

    Yunfei

 
zhangyunfei
2010-07-05
 --=====003_Dragon827734171264_=====-- From guyingjie@huawei.com Mon Jul 5 01:22:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36C43A6834 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 01:22:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.884, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_BACKHAIR_12=1, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZjzSpGjCjkl9 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 01:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga04-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CDB3A67FE for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 01:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5200DXASIUXB@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:20:54 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L52002I4SIUSY@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:20:54 +0800 (CST) Received: from g00107907 ([10.138.84.88]) by szxml06-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L5200G7PSIURG@szxml06-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:20:54 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:20:54 +0800 From: "Y.J. GU" In-reply-to: <201007011351092189530@chinamobile.com> To: ppsp@ietf.org Message-id: <006c01cb1c1a$fcc94f50$58548a0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Oe7gMs4RiIKIprwtA/3AiA)" Thread-index: AcsY4df00xK3zFDCRxyKPkuCwU9V8ADOFckw Subject: [ppsp] [Draft Notification] Peer Protocol X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 08:22:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Oe7gMs4RiIKIprwtA/3AiA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all, We have just submitted a new draft about Peer Protocol. http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-gu-ppsp-peer-protocol-00.txt. We expect your comments and hope we can discuss this draft on the mailing list before f2f meeting. Thank you very much. _____ From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of zhangyunfei Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:51 PM To: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] ppsp workshop materials Hi all, The PPSP workshop materilas are avaialable at http://labs.chinamobile.com/focus/PPSP. You can find slides and pictures there. If you don't understand Chinese, just scroll to find the PPT topic where the titles of the slides are marked in English. Hope these slides are useful for your better understanding of PPSP progress.See you in Maastricht. BR Yunfei _____ zhangyunfei 2010-07-01 --Boundary_(ID_Oe7gMs4RiIKIprwtA/3AiA) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = all,

We have just = submitted a new draft about Peer Protocol.  

http:/= /www.ietf.org/id/draft-gu-ppsp-peer-protocol-00.txt.

We expect your = comments and hope we can discuss this draft on the mailing list before = f2f meeting. =

Thank you very = much.

 =

 =

From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of zhangyunfei
Sent: Thursday, July 01, = 2010 1:51 PM
To: ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] ppsp = workshop materials

 

Hi = all,

   The PPSP workshop materilas are avaialable at http://labs.chinamobile.c= om/focus/PPSP. You can find slides and pictures there.

   If you don't understand = Chinese, just scroll to find the PPT topic where the titles of the slides are marked = in English.

    Hope these slides are = useful for your better understanding of PPSP progress.See you in Maastricht.

 

BR

Yunfei 

 

zhangyunfei

2010-07-01

--Boundary_(ID_Oe7gMs4RiIKIprwtA/3AiA)-- From ove.strandberg@nsn.com Mon Jul 5 14:44:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CCF3A6A01 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 14:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IaUSj5uJ-lkG for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 14:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F4A3A659A for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 14:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o65LiA0w005225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:44:10 +0200 Received: from demuexc025.nsn-intra.net (demuexc025.nsn-intra.net [10.159.32.12]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o65Li9vo028173 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:44:10 +0200 Received: from FIESEXC015.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.23]) by demuexc025.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:43:53 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB1C8B.291F3991" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 00:43:51 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New draft for PPSP Thread-Index: AcsciyiIC9ZniLn8RZemftJ/fxPtqg== From: "Strandberg, Ove (NSN - FI/Espoo)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2010 21:43:53.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[29AB11A0:01CB1C8B] Subject: [ppsp] New draft for PPSP X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:44:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB1C8B.291F3991 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Please consider submitted draft for PPSP WG: draft-dannewitz-ppsp-secure-naming-00.txt. Br, +Ove Filename: draft-dannewitz-ppsp-secure-naming Revision: 00 Title: Secure naming structure and p2p application interaction Creation_date: 2010-07-05 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 12 Abstract: Many P2P applications use their own way to identify and address data relying on host centric addressing, limiting the access to the same data on potentially multiple locations for multiple P2P applications. There are potential benefits in providing a generic way to identify and address data so that multiple P2P systems can use the same data regardless of data location. The proposed secure naming structure provides a potential way to address these challenges with a common naming structure for all data and different needs. The additional feature of the proposal is securing the way data is addressed such that the receiver has the possibility to verify that the correct data is received. The secure naming structure should be beneficial as potential design principle in defining the two protocols identified as objectives in the PPSP charter. This document enumerates a number of design considerations to impact the design and implementation of the tracker-peer signaling and peer-peer streaming signaling protocols. _________________________ Ove Strandberg Nokia Siemens Networks ove.strandberg(at)nsn.com - Connecting NSN People -=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB1C8B.291F3991 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New draft for PPSP

Hi all,

Please consider submitted draft = for PPSP WG: draft-dannewitz-ppsp-secure-naming-00.txt.

Br,

+Ove



Filename:        = draft-dannewitz-ppsp-secure-naming
Revision:        00
Title:  =          Secure naming structure = and p2p application interaction
Creation_date:   = 2010-07-05
WG ID:  =          Independent = Submission
Number_of_pages: 12

Abstract:
Many P2P applications use their = own way to identify and address data relying on host centric addressing, = limiting the access to the same data on potentially multiple locations = for multiple P2P applications.

There are potential benefits in = providing a generic way to identify and address data so that multiple = P2P systems can use the same data regardless of data location.  The = proposed secure naming structure provides a potential way to address = these challenges with a common naming structure for all data and = different needs.  The additional feature of the proposal is = securing the way data is addressed such that the receiver has the = possibility to verify that the correct data is received.  The = secure naming structure should be beneficial as potential design = principle in defining the two protocols identified as objectives in the = PPSP charter.  This document enumerates a number of design = considerations to impact the design and implementation of the = tracker-peer signaling and peer-peer streaming signaling = protocols.


_________________________
Ove Strandberg
Nokia Siemens Networks
ove.strandberg(at)nsn.com
- Connecting NSN People -

------_=_NextPart_001_01CB1C8B.291F3991-- From Akbar.Rahman@InterDigital.com Fri Jul 9 08:21:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706423A697D for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:21:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1P-M9-9+p-1L for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idcout.InterDigital.com (idcexmail.interdigital.com [12.32.197.135]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726F53A67CF for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from interdigital.com ([10.0.128.11]) by idcout.InterDigital.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:21:28 -0400 Received: from SAM.InterDigital.com ([10.30.2.12]) by interdigital.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:21:28 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:21:28 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20100709151509.F15D23A6ADD@core3.amsl.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D Action:draft-lu-ppsp-mobile-02.txt Thread-Index: Acsfeeb1e3F/6q6rRkK06+1cfJNaBwAAAXOg References: <20100709151509.F15D23A6ADD@core3.amsl.com> From: "Rahman, Akbar" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2010 15:21:28.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[673C5730:01CB1F7A] Subject: Re: [ppsp] I-D Action:draft-lu-ppsp-mobile-02.txt X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:21:25 -0000 FYI - Here is the update to our I-D based on the discussion from the China Mobile Beijing workshop. Looking forward to seeing you all in Maastricht. Akbar/Juan-Carlos/Guang -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:15 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-lu-ppsp-mobile-02.txt=20 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : P2P Streaming for Mobile Nodes: Scenarios and Related Issues Author(s) : G. Lu, et al. Filename : draft-lu-ppsp-mobile-02.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2010-07-09 The scenarios where a Peer-to-Peer Streaming Protocol (PPSP) contains mobile nodes need special considerations. An analysis of all the scenarios that involve mobile nodes is necessary to provide the guidelines to PPSP protocol design and applicability. This document describes some key issues for a PPSP network with mobile nodes. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lu-ppsp-mobile-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From zongning@huawei.com Sat Jul 10 22:01:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF6D3A6851 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:01:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.372 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.372 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_OBFU_Q1=0.227, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XVldSBWj1TXs for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga05-in.huawei.com (szxga04-in.huawei.com [119.145.14.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3E83A6781 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga05-in [172.24.2.49]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5D00C9SNALG0@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:01:33 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5D00H26NAK5Z@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:01:33 +0800 (CST) Received: from z-20684ca876cc4 ([58.212.43.215]) by szxml02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L5D00DEDNAKZ5@szxml02-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:01:32 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:01:36 +0800 From: Ning Zong To: ppsp Message-id: <0L5D00DEENAKZ5@szxml02-in.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Foxmail 5.0 [en] Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [ppsp] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-zong-ppsp-reqs-04 X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 05:01:28 -0000 Hi, all, We just submitted a new version of PPSP requirements. Please check it in the following link. Thanks. http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-zong-ppsp-reqs-04.txt BR, Ning Zong = = = = = = This is a forward message = = = = = = = Original sender's name: IETF I-D Submission Tool Original sender's address: idsubmission@ietf.org > >A new version of I-D, draft-zong-ppsp-reqs-04.txt has been successfully submitted by Ning Zong and posted to the IETF repository. > >Filename: draft-zong-ppsp-reqs >Revision: 04 >Title: P2P Streaming Protocol (PPSP) Requirements >Creation_date: 2010-07-07 >WG ID: Independent Submission >Number_of_pages: 14 > >Abstract: >The objective of the PPSP work is to standardize the key signaling >protocols that apply to tracker and peers in a Peer-to-Peer (P2P) >streaming system. These protocols are called PPSP. This document >enumerates the requirements for the PPSP, which should be considered >when designing PPSP. > > > >The IETF Secretariat. > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Ning Zong zongning@huawei.com 2010-07-11 From zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com Sun Jul 11 19:50:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0657C3A68F6 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 19:50:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -95.179 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-95.179 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.495, BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QKFyFPrzpcOp for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 19:50:12 -0700 (PDT) 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score=-96.653 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.309, BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xp7C8oDoq6WT for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta.chinamobile.com (cmccmta.chinamobile.com [221.130.253.133]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4193A69D2 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LENOVO-917FFE55 ([10.1.4.167]) by mail.chinamobile.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.5FP1) with SMTP id 2010071417245863-17842 ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:24:58 +0800 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:25:33 +0800 From: "zhangyunfei" To: "ppsp@ietf.org" Message-ID: <201007141725336875860@chinamobile.com> X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 2, 103, 20 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-07-14 17:24:58, Serialize by Router on cmccmta/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-07-14 17:25:40, Serialize complete at 2010-07-14 17:25:40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====003_Dragon516642442177_=====" Subject: [ppsp] draft agenda in IETF78 X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:25:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=====003_Dragon516642442177_===== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Hi folks, The draft agenda for the PPSP session @ IETF78 is now online at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/ppsp.txt Please take a look and let the chairs know if there's anything wrong with it. There are a lot of requested time slots and so the schedule will be very tight. We may adjust the time allocation according to the response on the topics focus. BR Yunfei zhangyunfei 2010-07-14 --=====003_Dragon516642442177_===== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312"
Hi folks,
 
   The draft agenda for the PPSP session @ IETF78 is now online at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/ppsp.txt
 
   Please take a look and let the chairs know if there's anything wrong
with it.
   There are a lot of requested time slots and so the schedule will be
very tight. We may adjust the time allocation according to the response on
the topics focus.
 
BR
Yunfei
 
zhangyunfei
2010-07-14
 --=====003_Dragon516642442177_=====-- From yry@cs.yale.edu Sat Jul 17 21:05:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45F23A6A56 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:05:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.036 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.036 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.037, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oSKbN5qGOZmr for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pantheon-po18.its.yale.edu (pantheon-po18.its.yale.edu [130.132.50.74]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A783A69F9 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.132.249.145] (dhcp130132249145.its.yale.edu [130.132.249.145]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po18.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o6I452Jf003345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:05:06 -0400 Message-ID: <4C427D71.8060503@cs.yale.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:05:05 -0400 From: "Y. R. Yang" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ppsp@ietf.org References: <001e01cb1960$f9813360$ec839a20$@com> In-Reply-To: <001e01cb1960$f9813360$ec839a20$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) Cc: Arvind Krishnamurthy , Michael Piatek , arun@cs.umass.edu Subject: Re: [ppsp] new Internet Draft about Pro-incentive Parameters exchange X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 04:05:26 -0000 Dear Kevin, It is interesting to read the draft. Let me add two more pointers on focusing, in particular, on integrating incentive with P2P streaming: + (self advertising): Contracts: Practical Contribution Incentives for P2P Live Streaming by M. Piatek, A. Krishnamurthy, A. Venkataramani, R. Yang, D. Zhang, and Alexander Jaffe. In Proceedings of NSDI 2010. Available at: - pdf: http://cs-www.cs.yale.edu/homes/yry/projects/p4p/contracts_nsdi10.pdf - slides: http://www.usenix.org/events/nsdi10/tech/slides/piatek.pdf + Another important reference is: FlightPath: Obedience vs. Choice in Cooperative Services, available at: http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/users/lorenzo/papers/li08flightpath.pdf As much as it is important to consider incentive (in particular, as it will be a part of the security requirements), it is important to understand the overheads and the range of mechanisms that a standard protocol such as PPSP might support. Thanks. Richard On 7/1/2010 5:04 PM, Wenjun (Kevin) Zeng wrote: > Dear all, > > I have submitted a new Internet draft entitled "P2P Streaming Protocol Pro-incentive Parameters". The abstract is appended below. We believe common protocol parameters exchanged between tracker and peer and between peers that can be used to support incentive mechanisms is important. > > It can be accessed at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zeng-ppsp-protocol-pro-incentive-para-00 > Comments are very welcome. > > Thanks and best. > > -Kevin > > Wenjun (Kevin) Zeng > > -----Original Message----- > From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 10:50 PM > To: zengw@huawei.com > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-zeng-ppsp-protocol-pro-incentive-para-00 > > > A new version of I-D, draft-zeng-ppsp-protocol-pro-incentive-para-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Wenjun Zeng and posted to the IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-zeng-ppsp-protocol-pro-incentive-para > Revision: 00 > Title: P2P Streaming Protocol Pro-incentive Parameters > Creation_date: 2010-06-29 > WG ID: Independent Submission > Number_of_pages: 9 > > Abstract: > This document analyzes the common parameters that are essential for > deriving incentive mechanisms to promote peer cooperation and system > robustness in a P2P system, and proposes to incorporate these pro- > incentive parameters in information exchanges in the P2P streaming > protocols to be specified, e.g., in the tracker protocol proposed in > [draft-gu-ppsp-tracker-protocol], and in the future in the peer > protocol to be specified. > > > > The IETF Secretariat. > > > > _______________________________________________ > ppsp mailing list > ppsp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp From lin.xiao@nsn.com Mon Jul 19 01:37:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D1E3A687F for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:37:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.48 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.48 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.705, BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.884, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_BACKHAIR_12=1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JaCRnqfjLle8 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0913A67FB for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o6J8bqYI015838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:37:52 +0200 Received: from demuexc024.nsn-intra.net (demuexc024.nsn-intra.net [10.159.32.11]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o6J8bo1M001101; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:37:52 +0200 Received: from CNBEEXC007.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.192.12]) by demuexc024.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:37:49 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB271D.A99BACC2" Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:36:43 +0800 Message-ID: <5D84FDD8D5DC8646B9F73CF1EFD1BFA401D7F5C4@CNBEEXC007.nsn-intra.net> In-Reply-To: <006c01cb1c1a$fcc94f50$58548a0a@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ppsp] [Draft Notification] Peer Protocol Thread-Index: AcsY4df00xK3zFDCRxyKPkuCwU9V8ADOFckwAr8Ln2A= References: <201007011351092189530@chinamobile.com> <006c01cb1c1a$fcc94f50$58548a0a@china.huawei.com> From: "Xiao, Lin (NSN - CN/Beijing)" To: "ext Y.J. GU" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2010 08:37:49.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABBC4B90:01CB271D] Subject: Re: [ppsp] [Draft Notification] Peer Protocol X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:37:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB271D.A99BACC2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Yingjie, =20 Well done!=20 =20 I took a quick view of the whole draft and have some questions as following: =20 1. The draft says Peer locating is also a fundamental part of Peer Protocol, and the Reload is analyzed as one option. But IMO, details of how peer is located is out of the scope of PPSP, which should be solve by Reload, DNS or IP protocols. All the methods should be just options and which one is used should be indicated by signaling of Peer protocol. So, the peer locating protocol is just similar with peer transportation Protocol, PPSP Peer protocol itself dose not describe them in specification, but just negotiate one to use from multiple existing protocols. So, I think, we should not define Peer Locating Protocol in the draft. =20 2. In section 1, it says "bitmap indicating which chunks a peer possesses", but in Section 4.2.2.3, bitmap is defined as "each bit represents a particular block of a chunk".I'm confused that whether bitmap is used to indicate chunks or blocks in a chunk here. Draft draft-zong-ppsp-reqs makes different term definitions on bitmap and buffer map to work on those two scenarios respectively. I think we should keep align between the two drafts on terms, right? =20 3. Section 4.4 mentions "synchronous downloading/uploading" and "eliminating or decreasing the influence of Jitter and packet loss". IMO, both of the requirements are mainly solved by transportation protocol, but not by Peer protocol itself. And the synchronous downloading/uploading is not a real-time specific feature at all, which is a common feature of P2P content applications. =20 4. In section 4.2.1.3.3, it says "to indicate its own property when request for peer lists". I'm not sure what kind of property you mentioned here. the following example is also not clear to me. Do you mean when a peer is a ADSL access node, its candidate remote peers should also be ADSL nodes? =20 Thanks a lot. =20 =20 =20 Br Lin =20 ________________________________ From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Y.J. GU Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 4:21 PM To: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] [Draft Notification] Peer Protocol Hi all, We have just submitted a new draft about Peer Protocol. =20 http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-gu-ppsp-peer-protocol-00.txt.=20 We expect your comments and hope we can discuss this draft on the mailing list before f2f meeting.=20 Thank you very much. =20 =20 ________________________________ From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of zhangyunfei Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:51 PM To: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] ppsp workshop materials =20 Hi all, The PPSP workshop materilas are avaialable at http://labs.chinamobile.com/focus/PPSP. You can find slides and pictures there. If you don't understand Chinese, just scroll to find the PPT topic where the titles of the slides are marked in English. Hope these slides are useful for your better understanding of PPSP progress.See you in Maastricht. =20 BR Yunfei=20 =20 ________________________________ zhangyunfei 2010-07-01 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB271D.A99BACC2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Yingjie,
 
Well done!
 
I took a quick view of the whole draft and have = some=20 questions as following:
 
1. The draft says Peer locating is also a fundamental = part of Peer=20 Protocol, and the Reload is analyzed as one option. But=20 IMO, details of how peer is located is out of the scope of = PPSP, which=20 should be solve by Reload, DNS or IP protocols. All the = methods should=20 be just options and which one is used should be indicated by = signaling of=20 Peer protocol. So, the peer locating protocol is just similar with = peer=20 transportation Protocol, PPSP Peer protocol itself dose not describe = them in=20 specification, but just negotiate one to use from multiple existing = protocols.=20 So, I think, we should not define Peer Locating Protocol in the=20 draft.
 
2. In section 1, it says "bitmap indicating which chunks = a peer=20 possesses", but in Section 4.2.2.3, bitmap is defined as "each bit = represents a=20 particular block of a chunk".I'm confused that whether bitmap is used to = indicate chunks or blocks in a chunk here. Draft draft-zong-ppsp-reqs =20 makes different term = definitions on bitmap and=20 buffer map to work on those two scenarios respectively. I think we = should keep=20 align between the two drafts on terms, = right?
 
3. Section 4.4 mentions "synchronous = downloading/uploading" and=20 "eliminating or decreasing the influence of Jitter and packet loss". = IMO, both=20 of the requirements are mainly solved by transportation protocol, = but not=20 by Peer protocol itself. And the synchronous downloading/uploading is = not a=20 real-time specific feature at all, which is a common feature of P2P = content=20 applications.
 
4. In section 4.2.1.3.3, it says "to indicate its own = property=20 when request for peer lists". I'm not sure what kind of property you = mentioned=20 here. the following example is also not clear to me. Do you mean when a = peer is=20 a ADSL access node, its candidate remote peers should also be ADSL=20 nodes?
 
Thanks a lot.
 
 
 
Br
Lin
 

From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org=20 [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Y.J. = GU
Sent:=20 Monday, July 05, 2010 4:21 PM
To: = ppsp@ietf.org
Subject:=20 [ppsp] [Draft Notification] Peer Protocol

Hi=20 all,

We have just = submitted=20 a new draft about Peer Protocol.  

http:/= /www.ietf.org/id/draft-gu-ppsp-peer-protocol-00.txt.=20

We expect = your comments=20 and hope we can discuss this draft on the mailing list before = f2f meeting. =

Thank you = very=20 much.

 

 

From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org=20 [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of=20 zhangyunfei
Sent:=20 Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:51 PM
To: ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] ppsp workshop=20 materials

 

Hi = all,

   The PPSP = workshop=20 materilas are avaialable at http://labs.chinamobile.c= om/focus/PPSP.=20 You can find slides and pictures there.

   If you = don't=20 understand Chinese, just scroll to find the PPT topic where the titles = of the=20 slides are marked in English.

    Hope = these=20 slides are useful for your better understanding of PPSP progress.See you = in=20 Maastricht.

 

BR

Yunfei 

 

zhangyunfei

2010-07-01

------_=_NextPart_001_01CB271D.A99BACC2-- From zongning@huawei.com Mon Jul 19 18:32:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1C23A68B3 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:32:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.884, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_BACKHAIR_12=1, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ne9wdrdGe-io for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41C73A6BD0 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5U002JG1KSAQ@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:31:40 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5U000GI1KS1V@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:31:40 +0800 (CST) Received: from z63316 ([10.138.84.86]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L5U00BYZ1KR08@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ppsp@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:31:40 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:31:39 +0800 From: Ning Zong In-reply-to: <5D84FDD8D5DC8646B9F73CF1EFD1BFA401D7F5C4@CNBEEXC007.nsn-intra.net> To: "'Xiao, Lin (NSN - CN/Beijing)'" , "'ext Y.J. GU'" , ppsp@ietf.org Message-id: <004301cb27ab$4d3ee710$56548a0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_yEQ09ChQ8/1dbdnX0zLx7g)" Thread-index: AcsY4df00xK3zFDCRxyKPkuCwU9V8ADOFckwAr8Ln2AAJR5wwA== Subject: Re: [ppsp] [Draft Notification] Peer Protocol X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:32:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_yEQ09ChQ8/1dbdnX0zLx7g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Lin, See inline. _____ From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiao, Lin (NSN - CN/Beijing) Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 4:37 PM To: ext Y.J. GU; ppsp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ppsp] [Draft Notification] Peer Protocol Hi Yingjie, Well done! I took a quick view of the whole draft and have some questions as following: 1. The draft says Peer locating is also a fundamental part of Peer Protocol, and the Reload is analyzed as one option. But IMO, details of how peer is located is out of the scope of PPSP, which should be solve by Reload, DNS or IP protocols. All the methods should be just options and which one is used should be indicated by signaling of Peer protocol. So, the peer locating protocol is just similar with peer transportation Protocol, PPSP Peer protocol itself dose not describe them in specification, but just negotiate one to use from multiple existing protocols. So, I think, we should not define Peer Locating Protocol in the draft. 2. In section 1, it says "bitmap indicating which chunks a peer possesses", but in Section 4.2.2.3, bitmap is defined as "each bit represents a particular block of a chunk".I'm confused that whether bitmap is used to indicate chunks or blocks in a chunk here. Draft draft-zong-ppsp-reqs makes different term definitions on bitmap and buffer map to work on those two scenarios respectively. I think we should keep align between the two drafts on terms, right? [ZONG]: These two terms - bitmap and buffer map should be the same. We can make one term in requirement draft. 3. Section 4.4 mentions "synchronous downloading/uploading" and "eliminating or decreasing the influence of Jitter and packet loss". IMO, both of the requirements are mainly solved by transportation protocol, but not by Peer protocol itself. And the synchronous downloading/uploading is not a real-time specific feature at all, which is a common feature of P2P content applications. 4. In section 4.2.1.3.3, it says "to indicate its own property when request for peer lists". I'm not sure what kind of property you mentioned here. the following example is also not clear to me. Do you mean when a peer is a ADSL access node, its candidate remote peers should also be ADSL nodes? Thanks a lot. Br Lin _____ From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Y.J. GU Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 4:21 PM To: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] [Draft Notification] Peer Protocol Hi all, We have just submitted a new draft about Peer Protocol. http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-gu-ppsp-peer-protocol-00.txt. We expect your comments and hope we can discuss this draft on the mailing list before f2f meeting. Thank you very much. _____ From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of zhangyunfei Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:51 PM To: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] ppsp workshop materials Hi all, The PPSP workshop materilas are avaialable at http://labs.chinamobile.com/focus/PPSP. You can find slides and pictures there. If you don't understand Chinese, just scroll to find the PPT topic where the titles of the slides are marked in English. Hope these slides are useful for your better understanding of PPSP progress.See you in Maastricht. BR Yunfei _____ zhangyunfei 2010-07-01 --Boundary_(ID_yEQ09ChQ8/1dbdnX0zLx7g) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, = Lin,

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See = inline.

 <= /span>

From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiao, Lin (NSN - CN/Beijing)
Sent: Monday, July 19, = 2010 4:37 PM
To: ext Y.J. GU; = ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [ppsp] = [Draft Notification] Peer Protocol

 

Hi = Yingjie,

 

Well done! =

 

I = took a quick view of the whole draft and have some questions as = following:

 

1. = The draft says Peer locating is also a fundamental part of Peer Protocol, and the = Reload is analyzed as one option. But IMO, details of how peer is located is out of the scope of PPSP, which should be solve by = Reload, DNS or IP protocols. All the methods should be just options = and which one is used should be indicated by signaling of Peer protocol. So, the = peer locating protocol is just similar with peer transportation = Protocol, PPSP Peer protocol itself dose not describe them in specification, but just negotiate one to use from multiple existing protocols. So, I think, we = should not define Peer Locating Protocol in the draft.

 

2. = In section 1, it says "bitmap indicating which chunks a peer possesses", = but in Section 4.2.2.3, bitmap is defined as = "each bit represents a particular block of a chunk".I'm confused that = whether bitmap is used to indicate chunks or blocks in a chunk here. Draft = draft-zong-ppsp-reqs  makes different = term definitions on bitmap and buffer map to work on those two scenarios respectively. I think we should keep align between the two drafts on = terms, right?

 

[ZONG]: These two = terms – bitmap and buffer map should be the same. We can make one term in = requirement draft.

 <= /span>

3. = Section 4.4 mentions "synchronous downloading/uploading" and "eliminating or decreasing the influence of Jitter and packet = loss". IMO, both of the requirements are mainly solved by transportation protocol, but not by Peer protocol itself. And the synchronous downloading/uploading is not a real-time specific feature at all, which = is a common feature of P2P content applications.

 

4. = In section 4.2.1.3.3, it says "to = indicate its own property when request for peer lists". I'm not sure what kind = of property you mentioned here. the following example is also not clear to = me. Do you mean when a peer is a ADSL access node, its candidate remote peers = should also be ADSL nodes?

 

Thanks a = lot.

 

 

 

Br=

Lin

 

 

From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Y.J. GU
Sent: Monday, July 05, = 2010 4:21 PM
To: ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] [Draft Notification] Peer Protocol

Hi = all,

We have just = submitted a new draft about Peer Protocol.  

http:/= /www.ietf.org/id/draft-gu-ppsp-peer-protocol-00.txt.

We expect your = comments and hope we can discuss this draft on the mailing list before = f2f meeting. =

Thank you very = much.

 =

 =

From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of zhangyunfei
Sent: Thursday, July 01, = 2010 1:51 PM
To: ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] ppsp = workshop materials

 

Hi = all,

   The PPSP workshop materilas are avaialable at http://labs.chinamobile.c= om/focus/PPSP. You can find slides and pictures there.

   If you don't understand = Chinese, just scroll to find the PPT topic where the titles of the slides are marked = in English.

    Hope these slides are = useful for your better understanding of PPSP progress.See you in Maastricht.

 

BR

Yunfei 

 

zhangyunfei

2010-07-01

--Boundary_(ID_yEQ09ChQ8/1dbdnX0zLx7g)-- From riccardo.bernardini@uniud.it Wed Jul 21 02:01:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034283A6855 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 02:01:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.279 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.279 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.602, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id czzNXNGqmIkq for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 02:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delivery.uniud.it (mail.uniud.it [158.110.1.210]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AAF3A67EF for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 02:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nospam.uniud.it (nospam.uniud.it [158.110.1.213]) by delivery.uniud.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6109B720AD for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:02:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at talitha2.cc.uniud.it Received: from smtp.uniud.it ([158.110.1.226]) by nospam.uniud.it (nospam.uniud.it [158.110.1.213]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id dYGg0PiYVU4g for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:02:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.uniud.it (webmail1.cc.uniud.it [158.110.1.17]) by smtp.uniud.it (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 847D51E002 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:02:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 158.110.28.116 ([158.110.28.116]) by webmail.uniud.it (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:01:59 +0200 Message-ID: <20100721110159.54436tkrzwwfb0qv@webmail.uniud.it> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:01:59 +0200 From: Riccardo Bernardini To: ppsp@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.2) Subject: [ppsp] draft-bernardini-ppetp-00 X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:01:48 -0000 Dear all, I would like to draw your attention to the I-D draft-bernardini-ppetp-00 (submitted few weeks ago) that can have some overalp with your interests. The I-D is about a chunk-less pure transport P2P protocol for streaming applications. I am coming to Maastricht and I will be talking about this during the P2PRG meeting, so if you come to Maastricht too, we can meet face-to-face. Best regards Riccardo -- Riccardo Bernardini DIEGM -- University of Udine via delle Scienze 208 33100 Udine Tel: +39-0432-55-8271 Fax: +39-0432-55-8251 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SEMEL (SErvizio di Messaging ELettronico) - CSIT -Universita' di Udine From zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com Thu Jul 22 20:11:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813FF3A69E6 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:11:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.98 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.982, BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9YW8pbqWt2Oc for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta.chinamobile.com (cmccmta.chinamobile.com [221.130.253.133]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681F3A6AA4 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LENOVO-917FFE55 ([10.2.0.197]) by mail.chinamobile.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.5FP1) with SMTP id 2010072311103652-5941 ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:10:36 +0800 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:11:03 +0800 From: "zhangyunfei" To: "ppsp@ietf.org" Message-ID: <201007231110555157324@chinamobile.com> X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 2, 103, 20 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-07-23 11:10:36, Serialize by Router on cmccmta/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-07-23 11:11:32, Serialize complete at 2010-07-23 11:11:32 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====003_Dragon358348837384_=====" Subject: [ppsp] Please send the PPSP meeting slides for IETF 78 X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:11:15 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=====003_Dragon358348837384_===== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Hi all speakers, Please send Cullen and me the PPSP meeting slides for IETF 78 before Sunday. Thanks and see you in Maastricht. BR Yunfei zhangyunfei 2010-07-23 --=====003_Dragon358348837384_===== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312"
Hi all speakers,
    Please send Cullen and me the PPSP meeting slides for IETF 78 before Sunday. Thanks and see you in Maastricht.
 
 
BR
Yunfei
 
zhangyunfei
2010-07-23
 --=====003_Dragon358348837384_=====-- From zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com Mon Jul 26 08:17:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083A03A68C2 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:17:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.784 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.392, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_63=0.6, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LtY4DoL9Tcry for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta.chinamobile.com (cmccmta.chinamobile.com [221.130.253.133]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADD53A68F3 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LENOVO-917FFE55 ([10.1.5.3]) by mail.chinamobile.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.5FP1) with SMTP id 2010072622303633-21674 ; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:30:36 +0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:31:00 +0800 From: "zhangyunfei" To: "ppsp@ietf.org" Message-ID: <201007262230169681885@chinamobile.com> X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 2, 103, 20 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-07-26 22:30:37, Serialize by Router on cmccmta/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-07-26 23:17:10, Serialize complete at 2010-07-26 23:17:10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====003_Dragon742445375334_=====" Subject: [ppsp] PPSP meeting materials uploaded X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:17:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=====003_Dragon742445375334_===== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Hi all, All the slides to be presented in PPSP session has been uploaded, including the agenda in the chair slides.see https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/78/materials.html for downloading. Please send Cullen and me if there are some slides update as of Tuesday morning (CET).Thanks. Cullen and Yunfei zhangyunfei 2010-07-26 --=====003_Dragon742445375334_===== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312"
Hi all,
   All the slides to be presented in PPSP session has been uploaded, including the agenda in the chair slides.see https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/78/materials.html for downloading.
   Please send Cullen and me if there are some slides update as of Tuesday morning (CET).Thanks.
 
   Cullen and Yunfei
 
zhangyunfei
2010-07-26
 --=====003_Dragon742445375334_=====-- From fluffy@cisco.com Tue Jul 27 08:01:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FA43A6C3E for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:01:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.441 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.441 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.158, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RLSn48IXE7qB for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C2C3A6C39 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: rtp-iport-2.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlUFAAWSTkxAZnwN/2dsb2JhbACTHYxLcaZfm0WFNgSIag X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.55,269,1278288000"; d="scan'208";a="139806387" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com ([64.102.124.13]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2010 15:01:43 +0000 Received: from dhcp-10-55-86-204.cisco.com (dhcp-10-55-86-204.cisco.com [10.55.86.204]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o6RF1evu020963 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:01:40 GMT From: Cullen Jennings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:01:41 +0200 Message-Id: <091C616E-65D9-4D0F-9625-D28542DEBCD9@cisco.com> To: ppsp@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: [ppsp] Draft notes from ppsp meeting X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:01:22 -0000 There were about 80 people in the room.=20 Problem Statement (15') Around 10 to 20 people had read the document. No notable objections or = concerns. Strong consensus to adopt the draft as a WG item.=20 Requirements of PPSP (10') Lars raised issue of if the peer-id will end up being a long time = identifier of the user? This is an issue of if the user can change their = peer-id when changing swarms. The draft should update information about = over what time span the peer-id needs to remain stable. We want to try = and provide privacy while still meeting the needs of protocols.=20 There was discussion about adding a user-id for supporting billing. This = is likely outside the scope of the charter. Should add a statement = about this in next version of drat indicating explaining if we are doing = this or not.=20 Need to make sure this draft does not mandate the usage of ALTO.=20 Consensus to adopt this as a WG document.=20 Tracker protocol Typo on slide 14. Say "Peer protocol" but should be "Tracker Protocol". = In general where the presentation says LEDBAT, it does not mean LEDBAT = as a protocol but LEDBAT as an technique applied to some other protocol.=20= Question about if KEEPALIVE was needed or if one could just do a = periodic STATs Peer Protocol Issues of what transport to use and congestion control were brought up = several times.=20 Wrap up. Unfortunately we ran out of time for the full presentation on = draft-lu-ppsp-mobile-01, draft-zeng-ppsp-protocol-pro-incentive-pa and = draft-dannewitz-ppsp-secure-naming-00. These are both important = contributions and we encourage people to read them and discuss on the = list.=20 The following are some raw notes I took during the meeting. These are = not the minutes for the meeting, just some notes. If anyone sees = mistakes in them, let me know and I will fix them up. If you took = minutes in the meeting, please send them of to the chairs.=20 Thanks, Cullen From zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com Tue Jul 27 23:49:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907213A6898 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.348 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.348 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.175, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kpUf7S3AIDd1 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta.chinamobile.com (cmccmta.chinamobile.com [221.130.253.133]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BC23A699C for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LENOVO-917FFE55 ([10.1.5.3]) by mail.chinamobile.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.5FP1) with SMTP id 2010072814492137-3657 ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:49:21 +0800 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:49:44 +0800 From: "zhangyunfei" To: "Cullen Jennings" , "ppsp@ietf.org" References: <091C616E-65D9-4D0F-9625-D28542DEBCD9@cisco.com> Message-ID: <201007281449426872076@chinamobile.com> X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 2, 103, 20 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-07-28 14:49:23, Serialize by Router on cmccmta/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-07-28 14:50:07, Serialize complete at 2010-07-28 14:50:07 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====003_Dragon262102512873_=====" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Draft notes from ppsp meeting X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:49:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=====003_Dragon262102512873_===== Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" VGhhbmtzIHNvIG11Y2ggZm9yIEN1bGxlbidzIHF1aWNrIG5vdGVzLldlJ2xsIHVwbG9hZCB0aGUg ZGV0YWlsZWQgbm90ZXMgYWZ0ZXIgdGhlIElFVEYgbWVldGluZy5UaGFua3MuDQoNCkJSDQpZdW5m ZWkNCg0KDQoNCg0Kemhhbmd5dW5mZWkNCjIwMTAtMDctMjgNCg0KDQoNCreivP7Iy6O6IEN1bGxl biBKZW5uaW5ncw0Kt6LLzcqxvOSjuiAyMDEwLTA3LTI3IDIzOjAxOjIxDQrK1bz+yMujuiBwcHNw QGlldGYub3JnDQqzrcvNo7ogDQrW98zio7ogW3Bwc3BdIERyYWZ0IG5vdGVzIGZyb20gcHBzcCBt ZWV0aW5nDQoNCg0KDQoNClRoZXJlICB3ZXJlICBhYm91dCAgODAgIHBlb3BsZSAgaW4gIHRoZSAg cm9vbS4gIA0KDQoNClByb2JsZW0gIFN0YXRlbWVudCAgICAgICgxNScpDQoNCkFyb3VuZCAgMTAg IHRvICAyMCAgcGVvcGxlICBoYWQgIHJlYWQgIHRoZSAgZG9jdW1lbnQuICBObyAgbm90YWJsZSAg b2JqZWN0aW9ucyAgb3IgIGNvbmNlcm5zLiAgU3Ryb25nICBjb25zZW5zdXMgIHRvICBhZG9wdCAg 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