From Martin.Stiemerling@neclab.eu Tue Dec 7 02:22:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226EB3A6946 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 02:22:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.268 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.268 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HxuX5OnD+6pa for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 02:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de (smtp0.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.40]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7DF3A6943 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 02:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4DE2800017A for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:23:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office.hd) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7QBlMS11aevM for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:23:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from METHONE.office.hd (Methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7719A28000174 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:23:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from PALLENE.office.hd ([169.254.1.113]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0255.000; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:23:22 +0100 From: Martin Stiemerling To: "ppsp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Updated of the Problem Statement and Requirements drafts? Thread-Index: AcuV+MVzUpcwAGWCTqCLGktuNWSNcw== Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:23:22 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.99.207] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ppsp] Updated of the Problem Statement and Requirements drafts? X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:22:03 -0000 Hi folks, We have had a lot of discussions around the problem statement and the requi= rements drafts in the past weeks.=20 Can we expect an update of these 2 drafts in December to see what status we= have reached? Thanks in advance Martin martin.stiemerling@neclab.eu NEC Laboratories Europe - Network Research Division NEC Europe Limited | Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London = W3 6BL | Registered in England 2832014=20 From zhangyunfei@chinamobile.com Tue Dec 7 03:42:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F7C3A6975 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 03:42:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -94.635 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-94.635 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.876, BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6xsF-S8oVd3g for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 03:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmccmta.chinamobile.com (cmccmta.chinamobile.com [221.130.253.133]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3393A6949 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 03:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from zyf ([10.2.0.212]) by mail.chinamobile.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.5FP1) with ESMTP id 2010120719425491-28026 ; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:42:54 +0800 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:42:52 +0800 From: "zhangyunfei" To: "Martin Stiemerling" , "ppsp@ietf.org" References: Message-ID: <201012071942510152100@chinamobile.com> X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 2, 103, 20 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-12-07 19:42:54, Serialize by Router on cmccmta/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2010-12-07 19:44:06, Serialize complete at 2010-12-07 19:44:06 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====003_Dragon347087238671_=====" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Updated of the Problem Statement and Requirements drafts? 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'Martin Stiemerling' , ppsp@ietf.org Message-id: <004d01cb9cb7$475b11d0$3a298a0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lt5E0iwkRJHUq6NeExYu0w)" Thread-index: AcuWBBLSa2BoRafmTViMcG18VpSd1AGsyOHA Subject: Re: [ppsp] Updated of the Problem Statement and Requirements drafts? X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:20:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_lt5E0iwkRJHUq6NeExYu0w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I will update requirements draft by the end of next week. Thanks. =20 BR, Ning Zong =20 _____ =20 From: ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of zhangyunfei Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 7:43 PM To: Martin Stiemerling; ppsp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ppsp] Updated of the Problem Statement and Requirements drafts? =20 Sure.Thanks Martin for the remindings. We are updating the draft and = will publish it for more comments.Thanks in advance for the valuable = suggestions. =20 BR Yunfei =20 _____ =20 zhangyunfei 2010-12-07 _____ =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Martin Stiemerling =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA 2010-12-07 18:23:41 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA ppsp@ietf.org =B3=AD=CB=CD=A3=BA=20 =D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA [ppsp] Updated of the Problem Statement and = Requirements drafts? =20 Hi folks, =20 We have had a lot of discussions around the problem statement = and the requirements drafts in the past weeks. =20 =20 Can we expect an update of these 2 drafts in December to see what status we have reached? =20 Thanks in advance =20 Martin =20 martin.stiemerling@neclab.eu =20 NEC Laboratories Europe - Network Research Division NEC Europe Limited | Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL | Registered in England 2832014 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp =20 --Boundary_(ID_lt5E0iwkRJHUq6NeExYu0w) Content-type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

I will update = requirements draft by the end of next week. Thanks.

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BR,

Ning = Zong

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From: = ppsp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of zhangyunfei
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To: Martin Stiemerling; ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [ppsp] = Updated of the Problem Statement and Requirements drafts?

 

Sure.Thanks Martin for the remindings. We are updating the draft and will publish it = for more comments.Thanks in advance for the valuable = suggestions.

 

BR

Yunfei

 

zhangyunfei

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=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3= =BA Martin Stiemerling

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=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA [ppsp] Updated of the Problem Statement and Requirements = drafts?

 

Hi  folks,

 

We  have  had  a  lot  of  discussions =  around  the  problem  statement  and  the =  requirements  drafts  in  the  past  weeks. =  

 

Can  we  expect  an  update  of  these  2  drafts  in  December  to  see  what =  status  we  have  reached?

 

Thanks  in  advance

 

   Martin

 

martin.stiemerling@neclab.= eu

 

NEC  Laboratories  Europe =  -  Network  Research  Division

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Please find details below = in the call for participation for the workshop. - Jan ********************* Call for Participation International Workshop on P2P-TV (organised by the NAPA-WINE Project) Torino, Italy, January 20-21, 2011 http://www.napa-wine.eu/workshop/ *Overview* TV services over the Internet can be provided either exploiting IP multicas= t functionalities or relying on a pure end-to-end (P2P) approach. The P2P app= roach has been successfully exploited to overcome limitations of IP-based solutio= ns (like reliance on the network infrastructure controlled by a single broadba= nd operator) and can potentially offer a scalable planetary infrastructure. Recently, several P2P-TV systems started to show up, with the last generati= on offering High Quality TV (P2P-HQTV) systems, providing a ubiquitous access = to the service. These same potentialities of P2P-TV systems constitute a worry= for network carriers since the traffic they generate may potentially grow witho= ut control, causing a degradation of quality of service perceived by Internet = users or even the network collapse (and the consequent failure of the P2P-HQTV se= rvice itself!). *Workshop Program*=20 The final NAPA-WINE workshop is intended as an informal forum for lively discussions on current and future trends in peer-to-peer live streaming. Th= e program comprises four talks presenting the main NAPA-WINE achievements (an= d a demo of NAPA-WINE's network-aware P2P live streaming system) as well as nin= e talks from external highly qualified researchers from both academia and industry, providing a broad and articulated perspective on the main challen= ges and solutions on the topic. There will be external presentations provided b= y (see http://www.napa-wine.eu/workshop/program.html for agenda details): - Presentations from other on-going =A0European projects=A0on P2P-TV/CDN: * Future Media Networks (FMN) cluster and ENVISION (David Griffin,=A0UCL,= GB) * COAST/SEA (Emanuele Quacchio, ST Microelectronics, IT) * P2P-NEXT (Raul Jimenez, KTH, SE) - Presentations from the=A0industrial world=A0(the operator/content provide= r vision): * Nikolaos Laoutaris, Telefonica Research, ES * Enrico Marocco, Chair of IETF ALTO, Telecom Italia, IT - Presentations from=A0academia=A0(technical challenges) * Ernst Biersack, Eurecom, FR * Phuoc Tran-Gia, Tobias Hossfeld, University of Wuerzburg, DE * Yong Liu, Polytechnic Institute of NYU, US * Victoria Fodor, Gyorgy Dan, KTH, SE *Logistics* Location: The workshop will take place at VALENTINO CASTLE (Castello del Valentino), Viale Mattioli 39, 10125 Torino, Italy. Valentino Castle campus= is situated quite near the main railway station of Porta Nuova, in an area characterized by open green spaces. It is in the heart of Valentino Park wi= th a wonderful view of the Po River. More details on getting to the workshop are available at http://www.napa-wine.eu/workshop/location.html. *Schedule* - start: Thursday, January 20th, 2011, 2.00 p.m. - end: Friday, January 21st, 2011, 5.30 p.m. A social dinner will be offered by the NAPA-WINE project on Thursday evenin= g. *Registration* There is *no* *registration* *fee* to participate in the workshop. However, participants are kindly invited to register their attendance by January 10t= h, 2011, at http://www.napa-wine.eu/workshop/registration.html. People that wi= ll not register may not be granted access due to seat limitations. *********************** =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Jan Seedorf Senior Researcher NEC Europe Ltd., NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Division=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel.=A0=A0=A0=A0 +49 (0)6221 4342-221 Fax:=A0=A0=A0=A0 +49 (0)6221 4342-155 e-mail:=A0 jan.seedorf@neclab.eu =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL Registered in England 2832014=20